Joel Anderson on The SEC Boycott Debate, Wembanyama’s statement game, Jaylen Brown vs. Stephen A. | 05.20

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Podcast Summary: The Right Time with Bomani Jones

Guest: Joel Anderson

Episode: Joel Anderson on The SEC Boycott Debate, Wembanyama’s Statement Game, Jaylen Brown vs. Stephen A. | 05.20

Date: May 20, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode dives into several major topics in sports and culture with guest Joel Anderson. The discussions move from Victor Wembanyama's jaw-dropping NBA performance, to transformative “future of the sport” athletes, to a nuanced debate over boycotting SEC schools for political activism, and a breakdown of the Jaylen Brown vs. Stephen A. Smith media feud. The tone is conversational, sharp, and richly informed by personal experience and cultural context.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Victor Wembanyama’s Statement Game (00:46–15:32)

Bomani and Joel explore Wembanyama’s Monday night performance and what it’s like to witness a player who looks like the "future."

• Bomani sets the tone, reflecting on moments in sports history where an athlete seems to come from another era or dimension.
  • "Can you think of a time that you knew you were watching the future?" (01:49, Bomani)
• Joel recounts similar feelings with LeBron James, Allen Iverson (especially his influence and individuality), Randy Moss, Usain Bolt, and Lennox Lewis.
  • “When Allen Iverson broke into the NBA, dudes didn’t have tattoos like that then... Tupac and Allen Iverson convinced a lot of people to get a lot of tattoos.” (02:54, Joel)
• Bomani and Joel agree that Wembanyama's recent game gives off these "alien from the future" vibes.
• They compare Victor’s impact to Moss’s rookie year and Michael Vick’s Sugar Bowl explosion.
• Joel highlights that Wembanyama "shifted the paradigm" and drew awe even from his teammates:
  • “It was the first time maybe since Shaq... oh, I feel sorry for everybody else out here.” (09:08, Joel)
• Discussion pivots to the Spurs’ luck in the draft and the pain for other franchises, especially Joel’s Rockets fandom.
  • “We should have had Stefan Cassil, man.” (11:46, Joel)
• They marvel over how Wemby’s teammates are visibly enjoying playing with him, with shoutouts to De’Aaron Fox and team reactions.

Notable Quote:

• "It looks like this motherfucker came from the future." (04:49, Bomani)

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2. The SEC Boycott Debate & College Sports Activism (17:04–33:09)

Prompted by an NAACP statement urging Black athletes and fans to boycott schools in states moving to undermine Black voting rights, Bomani and Joel debate the complexities and tensions of sports activism.

• Joel has advocated for similar action for years, seeing athletic boycotts as a meaningful piece of community activism.
  • “If you live as a part of a community... Some people are going to ask you to do things that may be difficult.” (17:59, Joel)
  • “You’re not asking it of players, you’re asking it of their parents or the people, I guess handlers...” (18:46, Joel)
  • “I think it only takes about a handful of kids to put a hurt on somebody that can make a point.” (19:08, Joel)
• Bomani pushes back, wary about asking young athletes to bear the brunt of political fights, especially when older generations are less likely to share in the sacrifice.
  • “I don’t like when people tell other people what they should do ... when it is not a ‘here’s what we about to do’ ... I am inclined to listen a little bit more.” (20:28, Bomani)
  • Questions whether non-SEC states actually provide better environments for Black athletes.
• The conversation references historical examples of Black athletes being steered away from certain schools but notes the difference in contexts (personal safety vs. broader political protest).
• Bomani notes that rooting against schools is not the same as divesting attention altogether.
• Joel stresses the need for a “community” vision and educating youth about the wider stakes.
  • “At a certain point we have to start seeing each other as kin...” (27:19, Joel)
• The practicality and effectiveness of such a boycott are questioned.
  • "I also don't think it'll be helpful to the cause." (27:35, Bomani)
  • “White people have demonstrated... that they are willing to do racism over everything else.” (27:39, Bomani)
• They agree that such change would have to be long-term, grass-roots, and multifaceted rather than a simple, top-down demand.

Notable Quotes:

• “You can’t build community with somebody when they turn 17 or 18 years old. I mean, that’s part of it.” (32:46, Joel)
• “If we go do this, this is a 15-year project.” (33:08, Bomani)

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3. The Jaylen Brown vs. Stephen A. Smith Media Feud (35:30–49:29)

The episode turns to dissect the recent spat between Stephen A. Smith and Jaylen Brown, examining the broader athlete-media dynamic and the nature of sports discourse.

• Bomani explains Jaylen Brown’s critique of Stephen A.’s approach as "not really journalism," leading to a seven-minute on-air retort from Stephen A., heavily promoted by ESPN.
  • “Stephen A. Smith took seven minutes on first take going after this dude... They put all seven minutes online.” (36:54, Bomani)
• Bomani and Joel poke fun at Stephen A.’s demand that Brown “get a studio,” reflecting on the messy transition of athletes to direct media.
  • “He basically told that motherfucker that's the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6… Get you a studio, get you a director, get you a producer.” (37:49, Joel & Bomani)
• They discuss how traditional media has often protected athletes—whereas direct-to-consumer social streams can inadvertently make them look bad.
  • “We don’t really be out here, burn people... that’s not good for business.” (38:59, Bomani)
• Joel raises the point that many journalists want minimal friction and maintain positive relationships for access and trust.
• They question the “Jaylen Brown is smart” narrative, suggesting his media forays and arguments are often muddled.
  • “Jaylen Brown was having an argument about journalism, and that’s not what was going on here.” (42:47, Joel)
• Bomani clarifies concepts of journalism vs. content vs. media, highlighting the shifting landscape and semantics.
• Joel points out the problematic nature of Stephen A. making threats on air based on information withheld for personal reasons.
  • “If it hasn't been worth saying up to this point, then it's not worth saying.” (48:04, Bomani)
  • “They say that all the time... now you’ve got an agenda against me and you’re going to try to embarrass me.” (48:23, Joel)
• Throughout, the tone is both playful and incisive, poking at ego, media dynamics, and performativity.

Notable Quotes:

• “Jaylen Brown was having an argument about journalism, and that’s not what was going on here.” (42:47, Joel)
• “If it hasn't been worth saying up to this point, then it's not worth saying. If it’s only worth saying because the person you’re covering has offended you, that doesn’t play well. That’s why they don’t like us.” (48:04, Bomani)

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4. Reflections on Sports Media, Professionalism, and Mutual Respect (49:52–end)

Bomani and Joel riff on the skill and professionalism required in sports media, and the challenge for athletes to transition to new media spaces.

• Emphasize that not just anyone can host or produce compelling audio/video content, despite surface appearances.
  • “This is not a job that any old body can do… You gotta be entertaining.” (50:18, Bomani)
• The mutual respect and ribbing continue:
  • Joel: “Bomani is the best extemporaneous talker that I know of… almost 20 years and never gotten in no shit.” (51:18, Joel)
  • Bomani: “I have not tolerated any Joel Anderson slander.” (51:57, Bomani)
• Joel shares personal anecdotes about athletic challenges, being driven by spite, and recent online/social media run-ins, highlighting the personal side of being a public sports figure.
• The episode ends with shout-outs, a few inside jokes, and gratitude to the listeners.

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Timestamps of Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Victor Wembanyama’s “from the future” game | 00:46–15:32 | | SEC boycott, political activism in college sport | 17:04–33:09 | | Stephen A. Smith vs. Jaylen Brown feud | 35:30–49:29 | | Reflections on sports media professionalism | 49:52–end |

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Memorable Quotes

• "It looks like this motherfucker came from the future." – Bomani Jones (04:49)
• “At a certain point we have to start seeing each other as kin...” – Joel Anderson (27:19)
• “You can’t build community with somebody when they turn 17 or 18 years old.” – Joel Anderson (32:46)
• “If it hasn't been worth saying up to this point, then it's not worth saying.” – Bomani Jones (48:04)
• “Bomani is the best extemporaneous talker that I know of… almost 20 years and never gotten in no shit.” – Joel Anderson (51:18)

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Tone and Style

Conversational, insightful, and occasionally playful, the episode blends deep sports knowledge with smart cultural commentary, inside jokes, and the easy banter of longtime colleagues. Both Bomani and Joel ground their takes in personal memory, social context, and a keen skepticism of easy narratives.

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This summary covers all major content and key takeaways for listeners, with contextual timestamps and faithful adherence to the hosts’ language, tone, and opinions throughout the episode.

Transcript

[Joel Anderson]

Wave.

[Bomani Jones]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time, A Wave Original presented by FanDuel predicts. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening, wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us on the show. You know what I'm saying? A guest who has a frame jersey behind him. Just because the dude shares his last name. Check him out. Or ring a tail. It's still such a ridiculous thing to do. Check him out. Orangutan Gate. Joel Anderson. What's going on?

[Joel Anderson]

Do you think I need to get the Will Anderson jersey then? Cause that is a little bit more Houston.

[Bomani Jones]

No, I know. I think you, like. I went to high school with a dude named Ray Cunningham, and he was a white dude, but he had in green and in white, the Randall Cunningham jerseys with R. Cunningham on it. And it's like, I respect it. This ain't the flex you think it is.

[Joel Anderson]

A white man up in Waller wearing a Cunningham jacket.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, by the way, ain't you

[Bomani Jones]

gonna do your little thing?

[Joel Anderson]

What's my little thing?

[Bomani Jones]

You know, where you go like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no, no, I don't have to. You know what I'm saying? I saved that for Wednesday, you know, when we record our show, the Ring of Tailgate. You know, I saved the Raven, but we can do it here. Are you gonna do it?

[Bomani Jones]

Of course not. But it's Wednesday. While people are watching it now.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, man. Just go. Come on, just go.

[Bomani Jones]

No, no. That's kind of like Pablo tried to get me to do some Pokemon Dragon Ball Z one time.

[Joel Anderson]

This. That's not the same thing. First of all, I don't even know. I've never seen Dragon Ball Z or any of that.

[Bomani Jones]

So it's not terribly different. It's not terribly different. But let me ask you this. I would ask you this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

On the heels of what Victor Wembanyama did Monday night.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Can you think of a tie that you knew that you were watching the future?

[Joel Anderson]

So, I mean, I feel like the obvious answer is Bron here, right where I was like, oh, this is going to be this guy's league for the rest of time. So, you know, what was the game where he scored, like, 29 or 30

[Bomani Jones]

points against the Pistons?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. But I was actually thinking I wanted to go a little bit deeper than that. And you know what? I was Thinking about Allen Iverson. When I saw Allen Iverson play, not just at Georgetown, but when he crossed up MJ Jordan and put him on the ground. Yeah, put him on the ground. And I was like, man, that was really influential. People just don't remember, like at the time when Allen Iverson broke into the NBA, dudes didn't have tattoos like that then. Like Dennis Rodman was sort of like the irregular, you know.

[Bomani Jones]

But that was different.

[Joel Anderson]

His was different. Yeah, they didn't have the same kind of tattoo. It was a different sort of.

[Bomani Jones]

Well, it's like me and Goff talked about, right, that Dennis Rodman was, was doing white boy stuff, right, like, and was valued. Allen Iverson had what they call jailhouse tattoos.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like he came along again. I felt like it's for people that grew up in our, our age. Tupac and Allen Iverson convinced a lot of people to get a lot of tattoos. And that just was something that we did not do a lot of at the time. And then the way he hooped, like I felt like there were a lot of guys, you know, Steve Francis and so on and so on, guys that like would, you know, short shooting guards, they weren't particularly, particularly efficient, but they could dribble they ass off, they were quick as hell and they could get around and they didn't necessarily have to play that, you know, the born point guard way of playing ball. It was just a different way of playing ball. So that's what I thought of if it, you know, that it. But it wasn't like what WIMBY is, which is like, oh no, this guy's actually going to own basketball for the next generation.

[Bomani Jones]

So I got two thoughts on that because I, my thought was a little different and I'm curious, I think you'll, I think you'll still have an answer for it. Like I'm curious who you think is. But the real future with Iverson was not simply that crossover he put on Mike. It was the post game comments that I think were largely misinterpreted, but still where he was like, I ain't got to respect nobody. That was the future, right? Like, like that was. This was a much different person than Michael Jordan is, is. Is what that was. But I mean the future in this sense. So I'll give you an example.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

LeBron, like LeBron in 07 was, yes, the league is going to belong to this person. Right. Randy Moss, Monday Night Football against the packers was. We have. There has been a full on evolution of the force of what we're talking about, you know what I mean? That's another example. Whatever was the first time you saw Usain. I was just about to say final in 08.

[Joel Anderson]

I was just about to say usain vote.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. So not. So I don't mean like this is the future of what basketball is going to be or da, da. Or this guy is the best. I mean, it looks like this motherfucker came from the future.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, well, you know what?

[Bomani Jones]

Forget about from space.

[Joel Anderson]

Let me give you.

[Bomani Jones]

It look like he came from another time.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, bro. So I, I think the Usain Bolt is a, Is a great one because also it like really shifted the idea of what a sprinter could look like. Because you, like, Usain Bolt's frame was perfect for like the 200, 400. And I think that they initially, when he started running track, they wanted him to be more of a 400 guy.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, the plan was to move him up to four, not down to one. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

And then they're just like, oh, no, he actually can do it this way. But you know, another guy that I, that I, that I think doesn't get enough credit for like totally shifting the paradigm of a sport and they're just like, oh, no, you can't. This Evander Holyfield shit's not going to work. This Mike Tyson shit's not going to work. Lennox Lewis, like the big, like the 6 foot 4, 6 foot 5 heavyweight, 250, like super heavyweight. Dudes that just like, oh, it's like, oh, like you're not going to be able to be a cruiserweight and fight at the heavyweight level anymore. Like you can't be five like Burt Cooper. I don't know if people are like the smoking Joe Frazier, like a five, six foot heavyweight. And I was like, oh, no, when, when Lennox Lewis put Mike Tyson on his, on his back, I was like, oh, Mike can't fuck with him. Like, he can't get inside. He doesn't have enough power. Like, it's just not it. But anyway, I don't know, maybe that's not enough. That's not.

[Bomani Jones]

Well, no, no, I think there's something to that. Right? I. I'll give you another example.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

A lot of us remember this. You gotta remember, not every football game, even as recently as 20 something years ago, was readily available on TV. Right? Like you, you couldn't have so much cable. And the Sugar bowl In January of 2000, I would say for the vast majority of America was the first time they had watched Michael Vick play. They had heard about Michael Vick, but we had not seen him play. That dude made two cats tear their ACLs. Hold on. Against the fastest team on earth.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, that's the thing. Nobody had ever seen anybody be faster than Florida State before. Not even Miami. Like, when Miami and Florida State were rolling, those were the consensus two fastest teams in the country. And Michael Vick was the only dude where I was like, oh, man, they're having trouble catching up to this guy like that. And so, yeah, that was. I also kind of. Don't you. Do you feel like Vince Young kind of was a part of that as well, too?

[Bomani Jones]

Dude, I always felt the thing with Vince, it felt like Vince started going and everybody started stopping, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I. As impressive as I found Vince, I mean, there he is right there on the wall here. But I did not view him as. It is so clear he is the best athlete out here. I felt more like it is very clear he is the best player out here. Right. Like, it was to me. It was all like. He looked to me like a guy where. It's like, the testing isn't going to explain to you.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

What's going on here, which is not the Michael Vick case. The testing was going to be very clear what was going on. And with Victor, it was just like. But I guess my larger point of why I bring it up is just there's something special about that moment where you watch something and you're just like. Like that game where Moss had against the Vikings on Monday Night Football, Was it like.

[Joel Anderson]

Was it. Or is it the Cowboys? Right. Was it three?

[Bomani Jones]

No, the Cowboys was on Thanksgiving.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

That was the. Like, he did it to. He did it all year long. There were these moments, but it was like the. The third or fourth game of the year, they played a night game at Lambeau Field. And that was the. Oh, this is a thing, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yep, yep, yep. That's right. That's right. It's like, oh, like this is actually going to translate. These guys have never seen anybody like this before.

[Bomani Jones]

It looked like it did at Marshall.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. It was like. I mean, again, the Cowboys game was crazy because you see the stat line. I think it was like three receptions for 168 yards and, like, three touchdowns.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

And it was like, nobody's supposed to come into the NFL and do that like that. And like Chris Carter was. He's a Hall of Fame NFL receiver. Like, he was great. Like, my entire. All he does is catch touchdowns. That was the Chris Carter thing. And as soon as Randy Moss got there, it Was like, oh, no, that's. That's. That's. That's receiver one right there. You know?

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I. I saw Adam Schefter. He made the comp. I was thinking of, like, what was it like watching Victor Wembanyama, and he was like, the closest he could think of was Ricky or Randy Moss. And what they have in common is just chuck it up there, dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Man, right.

[Bomani Jones]

Like. Like that. All the spurs is like when you first. The first video games came out with the alley oop, and all you did was throw alley oops.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Like, it was the. So, you see, if you agree with me on this, it was the first time maybe since Shaq against Dikembi Mutombo in the 2001 finals. Like, oh, I feel sorry for everybody else out here. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it must be so frustrating because he barely even has to jump. It was just like. It was just like he took over the game. Like, sometimes, you know, an eighth grader would come down and nobody else out there to play, and they play with the sixth and seventh graders, and it was like, oh, no. This guy is just bigger and better than everybody, and there's nothing they can do about it. Man, that was shocking to me because, again, it's not like Oklahoma State played bad, and they have a knack for making everybody look bad and, like, make every shot look very difficult. Rush people, you know, they had to guard the handle in a certain way, and. And none of that mattered. I was. I think I. I realized when the spurs were up by, like, eight, like, in the fourth quarter, I was like, oh, shit. They might actually do this.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And that's the thing. That's like. That's what should be scary to the Thunder. It's like, oh, like, when B came out to dominate y', all, I'm sure that, like, they spent their whole game plan, like, how are we gonna slow him down? How are we gonna make it difficult for him? And he put. Goes out there and puts up, what, 41, 24 on him, man.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. Hey, that boy Ryan and only had three blocks. Cause they wasn't allowing it to happen. Yeah, man, that boy Ryan made a very. Was like, the price of that. Yana's brick just went through the roof. Cause you go have. If you try to keep up. You got to do something, man. I mean, we got to do something.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I don't. You don't think this means it's over for the Thunder yet, though, right? Like, you still think that they have a shot to win this series?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, yes, yes. But they better win the next game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

If they lose game two, it's over. I can't. I can't. Look, there was a point during the game, my man Clarence sent me this stat. There was a point during the game where, with Victor on the floor, the Thunder was shooting 10 for 50. Oh, man, 10 for 50, man, and 20% in an NBA game.

[Joel Anderson]

And there's just no way you can get around that. Like, that's the thing. Like, that is all offense comes and goes. You can figure out a way to slow Wimpy, right? Like, you can make him come up off the ball earlier, whatever, but you gonna always have to deal with him on that end of the floor. And if he. And if he is engaged and he is healthy, ain't really shit you can do about it, bro.

[Bomani Jones]

No, no, no. And they got other goons. That's good, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, like, that's the thing that actually kind of pisses me off, man. Like, man, as a Rockets fan, man, we should have had Stefan Cassil, man.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, y' all took Reed.

[Joel Anderson]

We took Reed, man. We took Reed. We could have had Stefan. Like, that's the thing. You just can't let your rival get that guy, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You can't let the team in your division. Like, you already missed on Wimby, and. Which I think is some bullshit, because that year, the year that Wimby came out into the draft, they had the same draft odds as the spurs. And the. Was it. Was it the Pistons, too? I think it was the Pit. Yeah. They had the same draft odds as the spurs and the Pistons, and we ended up with Amin Thompson, a great player. Like, I love having Amen Thompson. That's amazing. He might be the second best player in that draft, but get the fuck out of here, bro. You know what I'm saying? As soon as they got Wembayama, I was like, oh, man. Like, that's.

[Bomani Jones]

It's not the last thing I'll say on this. Watching his teammates. Yeah, man, just be like, I can't believe we get to do this.

[Joel Anderson]

Can you believe de' Aaron Fox is like, man, I used to have to. My big man was Demonte Sabonis, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I think Fox played enough NBA basketball in other places that he fully appreciates.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Bomani Jones]

What it is, like, just the look on his face on the sideline when Victor came over and stood up in front of them motherfuckers like Captain Morgan, and they was like, yeah, get into

[Joel Anderson]

it, get into it, get into it. Man, I. Yeah, man, I, you know, I, I don't. I think the thunder still have a chance. I still, like, I still thought like you and I. And I watched your little clip. You were. You. You recorded late last night. No wonder you weren't responding to text last night.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You recorded as soon as it was. The game was over, huh?

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, no, no, we recorded that this morning. But no, I was, I, I was. I was trying so hard to stay awake and I had so many people texting me. It was just. It was really tough. Yeah, it was, it was. It. And I keep all group chats on silent because they can get unwieldy.

[Joel Anderson]

I got. You got to go to.

[Bomani Jones]

You know what I mean? So you got. Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, this was this, this, this was, this was. I don't remember the last time that everybody got to join in this together, right? Like, this was. We were all on the same team of. I can't believe this.

[Joel Anderson]

Just high quality ball. Which is a. I mean, I'm so glad because I was staying up late watching that. Terrible. That ple. That had to have been one of the worst round twos in recent NBA history, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, I mean, there was barely any competitive series and the one series that we didn't care if it went seven games. Went seven games.

[Bomani Jones]

Correct.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, and so it was like, oh, man, that was terrible. But now we finally got to the series. I think everybody, I think everybody thinks this is going to be the Finals. I think that's maybe playing the Knicks a little bit short, but yeah, I mean, like, I'm just glad that that game was everything that, that ha. I'm trying to think of like the last time I enjoyed an NBA game that much too.

[Bomani Jones]

Do you know what I'm saying? It was, it was a moment like, it's one that we'll talk about for a very long time. Like, this is to me the most memorable game since 2016. Game 7, NBA Finals. Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. Is that right?

[Bomani Jones]

Like, I mean, pull one for me, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I was trying to think, was there anything from the Steph run in 20, in 2022 or the maybe the Giannis game six versus the Suns.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, but that, but the, the totality of this game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. The build up the, the rivalry. These teams actually hate each other.

[Bomani Jones]

It was a lot and it lived up to expectations. It did. I tell you this, though. Ryan sent a text. He's right. He is single handedly. Killing the French coward stereotypes. Right? Because they go. The thing we need to talk about later is they go win the 2028 Olympics at our crib, and he gonna be out here talking shit. He might even wipe his ass with the flag.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn. Damn.

[Bomani Jones]

I mean, don't forget, he tasted blood in Paris in 24. Like, that's like, we need to be. We need to be afraid of that, number one. And number two is he. He may be killing the French coward stereotypes, but we have to wait to see what he does to the Spur stereotypes. Trying to holl at somebody, girl.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, why you. Why you do. Why you being that way, man?

[Bomani Jones]

What do you mean?

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, man. You know what it is? This is. It's so weird.

[Bomani Jones]

Prize. The spurs would have got another French dude, but I guess this one too good to pass up. Shit. They was like, you remember the end of Juvenile on Fire? That's what they were saying about Victor.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, man. Come on. I mean. Cause, wait, I don't know the whole story about that thing, too. This is TP and bb, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

And tp, it sounds like you talking about toilet paper and Boo Boo, but you not.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not talking about toilet paper and Boo Boo. No, I don't. Because I'm trying to. We're trying to give us the plausible deniability here.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. I put it to you like this. I just ran the search on Google and it came up in the AI overview.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, that's tough, man. I mean, that's just. That's how the world is. But look, man.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Hey, man, I got a colleague that gonna be living like that forever.

[Joel Anderson]

A colleague like that.

[Bomani Jones]

Boy, you read the news?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh. Oh, man. Yeah, bro. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. That's a tough one.

[Bomani Jones]

Nowhere to go.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta throw that. You gotta take that hot potato back. But, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whitby don't really seem like he into the. I don't know how to explain it.

[Bomani Jones]

Hey, hey, hey. Never know, partner. Never know, never know. But again, it's going to be like, hey, man, you know, got to pay tribute. Tribute to the king. Tribute to the king. Can't have them all. I want to run something by you. I don't know if you've seen this, but the NAACP is put out a statement, I believe, today, and they are urging black athletes and fans to, quote, withhold athletic and financial support for public universities and states that have, quote, moved to limit, weaken or erase black voting representation. That's Philip Lewis, who sent the tweet and did that encapsulation. Coincidentally, Joel had come on here because I had said Stephen Godfrey and it's dangerous to talk like this. Which white homies. But the argument against the boycotting of these programs in the face of the political situation. I know you disagree. I'm curious your angle.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't. First of all, this is something I've only been calling for for like the last decade, by the way.

[Bomani Jones]

And by saying this is very true.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Like, I've been talking about this since forever. It didn't just start with the Voting Rights Act. The thing is, is I get what Steven is saying and I respect Stephen, man, on this. Cause he talked. First of all, he talked about race. Like, for a white boy to talk about race in the way he does. Like, I disrespect it. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's not afraid and he's very agile with it. But the thing that I think about this is that first of all, as a community, like, if you live as a part of a community, bruh, like sometimes people do have to. Some people are going to ask you to do things that may be difficult, right. Or they may seem difficult, right. It's like, hey, look, man, just don't go. You. You just can't go to University of Georgia. Like, that's all we're saying. It doesn't mean that USC is not available to you. Doesn't mean that Michigan, Ohio State are not available to you. We're just asking you not to go here. And I don't think that's that much of an ask. And really, you're not asking it of players, you're asking it of their parents or the people, I guess, handlers, for lack of a better term. The second part of this is that I don't think it's gonna require hundreds and hundreds of kids to do it. I think it only takes about a handful of kids to put a hurt on somebody that can make a point. And it may not. Look, the Voting Rights act is dead for, in all, all intents and purposes, for the rest of our life. Like, I don't think we're gonna see it restored before, you know, we're outta here. But the ball has to start rolling now, right? This is like the movement. It's just like the civil. The Civil Rights act did not start in the night. The Civil Rights movement didn't start in the 1960s. It started as black folks were losing their rights in the middle of the redemption or whatever, right? And so this is the same thing, bro. Like, I just think that, like, it's just part of a movement. And you're not asking 20 kids, 150 kids. We're just asking a handful of the most desired kids in this country to say, you know what? I don't want to go down there because I don't think that state respects my people or its rights. And I don't want to go someplace where when I'm done playing football, if I move back there, I'm not sure if my vote account, I'm not sure if it'll be legal to discriminate me to get a job or my family to get a job. I want my people to be treated fairly. And so I'm going to go to a state where, at least for now, it's not explicitly written into law. You're not seeing California trying to rip up. Well, they are trying to rip up that districts, but for favors of the Democratic Party. So I just, I don't know, man. I don't think, I don't think it would have to hurt that much to, to do that. And I don't think I think it's fair to ask those kids to do it. They're 18 years old. It's okay.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. My issue is exactly what you just said right there. I don't like when people tell other people what they should do when the standpoint, when it is not a.

[Joel Anderson]

We've always done that.

[Bomani Jones]

Hold on, hold on. I don't, I didn't say what we always did. I said what I don't like.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. If it's a here's what we about to do, I am inclined to listen a little bit more than here is what you gonna do largely. And when I feel it comes from a segment of older people who have not demonstrated to me their willingness to do something similar, I'm kinda like, I don't know. My other thing is the number two and it's the big one. So for example, you decide you're not going to go play for those schools. Instead I will go to a state that respects my people. Oregon. Well, you know, in fact, they do not respect you in this way, the places that you go. I have questions about whether or not they actually have any more respect for you than where. Where it is that you're ultimately going to wind up. You know what I mean? So like, it's not. As for me, it's not even like, I don't get why you would decide you're not going to do that. And if you decide you're not going to do that. That's cool. And I'd go with it. I just don't. I have issues with people whose first move on what to do in a moment like this is to tell somebody else the changes that they should make while they just gonna watch and cheer them all. That's my thing. Now. What I find about this particular issue that I think is more interesting with the NAACP is saying they like, yeah, and also, let's not watch this stuff because, like, the truth is, you and I, in doing our jobs, could be like, you know what? We're not going to talk about SEC football. We're not going to give it any oxygen, but we're not going to do that. We're going to tell these boys to not go there, and then we going to still go over there and talk about it because we don't want to fuck up our money. You see what I mean? Like, that's where my. That's where my. That's where I'm like, I don't feel comfortable with the. With the calls coming if they're not coming in a particular way or from a particular set of people.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, I just. I don't find that to be analogous because I feel, you know, it's not like we're. This is not a conversation that anybody at the SEC is excited for us to have right now. They don't want. They don't want us to draw attention to that. They would prefer that this be a thing that goes away. This is us playing our part in the fight for expanding voting rights in that state again and again. Look, when I was a kid, when you were a kid, there were regularly. And I remember when I went up to Missouri in 2015, when those kids boycotted that school and I talked to some old black DJs and journalists that were like, we were always with. Telling kids, man, don't take your ass up there to Missouri. They don't. They don't respect you. Go to. They say, even go to Illinois, but do not go to Mizzou. That has always been a part of black culture. The reason that the University of Texas and Ole Miss, part of the reason that they never tapped in and lived up to their. To, To. To the potential.

[Bomani Jones]

It wasn't the place to go.

[Joel Anderson]

It wasn't the place to go. And part of that was people being like, man, you don't take your ass up there to Austin. They're not gonna treat you right. Don't go up there to Oxford. You don't let Them folks wave that flag in your face.

[Bomani Jones]

But that's, but that's not the same thing as what we're talking about, Right? What we're talking about right now is do not go to that school because of the larger political climate. Right? The argument for not going to Texas or going to Ole Miss, was they going to treat you bad while you're there. Which is not the same thing as what we're talking about. We're talking about in this discussion, right? We are talking about, in response to something political and not necessarily directly tied to the school, we are asking you to do X, Y and Z. And I think that's, that's a different discussion for me. Right? Like, I, like I know enough stories as to why. Nah. For a very long time, you, Your black ass should not have gone to the University of Texas. Right? People, there's a reason why Jackson State was still cranking out first round picks into the 21st century because them boys would rather it's an apartheid state. They was going to, they was going to Jackson State before it was that they were going to Ole Miss. So yeah, I do get saying for your own good, you should not go here. But I don't think that's the discussion that we're having. Like this one. Where I find it interesting is they is again, it's telling people. Also, we need to stop watching this because we're in a different place now where this is the first generation really, of black people really caring about those schools.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, absolutely.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, we could decide, hey, we ain't rooting for UGA no more, we ain't rooting for lsu, we not doing whatever. And if we gonna do that, along with telling the boys not to go there, I'm standing right beside you.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, look, I mean, I mean, without giving. I mean, I've always rooted against schools that I assume were more racist than others. Like I've never, you know, so if that's a part.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh yeah, that's true. But rooting against, that's not like so

[Joel Anderson]

what I mean, I mean, again, I'm. I don't think. Again, I don't think this conver. If me not talking about the SEC is, is. I, I mean, I guess that's. I don't know. I still don't quite see the analogy there.

[Bomani Jones]

But again, the analogy is that, that we are giving oxygen to these programs in what are becoming these apartheid states. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Do you think Ole Miss enjoys us talking about this like this? Do you think Alabama.

[Bomani Jones]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about. They're talking about their football teams. I'm not talking about them and saying in a critical way.

[Joel Anderson]

I will never not talk about that, even when I talk about that football.

[Bomani Jones]

No, but I'm saying, but I'm saying when September comes around, yes, we're still going to go about the business of college football as. Even if we talk about what's going on with the states, we're going to. We're not going to change. You could go to those schools and talk about the voting shit if you want to.

[Joel Anderson]

We could say that every week that I talk about Ole Miss and college football as anybody who's followed me know, I'm talking about their Confederate ass uniforms and Confederate uniforms, right?

[Bomani Jones]

And I'm saying. But I'm saying that the dudes, the dudes we telling not to go could easily go there and do the exact same thing that you're talking about. We're not, we are not boycotting them, but we are asking other people to boycott them.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Which, you know what, Bo, if they do go there and they. And they put that kind of heat on them, great, then that would be. Then I have a little bit less of a problem. But I think the issue is that nobody said, like, not only nobody says anything and they just keep. They keep going to those schools. Like, I'm just like, I would prefer if they picked one. And again, I understand that takes a level of courage that is asking a level of commitment from people that may not be fair, but we live in unfair times. Right. And I think one of the biggest problems is that we don't see ourselves as part of a community anymore. And it was just like, why would I give up my opportunity if you gonna go to work? Well, I mean, that is fantastic, but that is not gonna. That is what's part of the problem here. Like, I just don't. I think that, like, at a certain point we have to start seeing each other as Ken, and it's people with destinies that are tied together. And I don't think it's too much to ask. You know, Jeremiah Smith has a brother to be like, I don't know, man. Like, it would be really helpful to the cause if you said, I'm not gonna go to school in this.

[Bomani Jones]

I also don't think it'll be helpful to the cause.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't?

[Bomani Jones]

I do not really. I think that white people have demonstrated very clearly that they are willing to do racism over everything else. Like, I don't think that. Let us not forget southeast of Conference spent a long time lagging behind the rest of the country because they just wanted to keep on doing his right, doing the racism right. They've, they've, they've demonstrated that they've been cool with that at different points. I think it could, you know, it could take a stand. But in hearing what you're saying, I think you're missing my point. If it's a we. Because I, that's, that's in line with your larger point about community. Yes, if it's a we. I'm hearing it, I'm hearing a lot of, here's what y' all can do without much. And this is what I'm gonna do with you. Not from you personally. Okay, but, but I feel like that is that that's where my issue comes up. While we, while we advise them go places that really ain't gonna treat us much better.

[Joel Anderson]

That, that may be fair. But I think this is all part of a multi pronged effort. I don't think anybody is saying the college, the potential college athletes are the only one. There are people that are marching, there are people that are working on legislation. There are people all, you know, organizing in that are going to still try to turn out vote in spite of the tremendous obstacles against them. There's a lot of people making a lot of sacrifices that I hope that people educate those players on so they don't think that they're in it alone, because they are not. There are a lot of other people doing things that people writing about stuff like this is not. You know, I'm not trying to scare people, but, man, we're sort of through the looking glass on this.

[Bomani Jones]

No, no, no. This is a thing. I don't think it really hit me, for whatever reason until over the weekend that I realized, like, what percentage of the Congressional Black Caucus is going to be wiped out by these maps? Something like a third.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Or something like that. Like when Jasmine Crockett ran for Senate, the part that people didn't get was her district didn't exist anymore, didn't even use anymore.

[Joel Anderson]

She had to go somewhere.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah. And so it's. We only get black representation if we get a whole, if we get a whole block, we get a whole neighborhood. Otherwise it ain't going to happen. And they are just. It's not coincidental that they're doing this, right? It's not that, oh, the draft, the maps are being redrawn and what do you know, Black people aren't going to have representation as they did before. No, this is the Plan. This is not a bug. This is the feature.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, look, look, I mean, again, and I'm not trying to scare people, there's nothing to stop the federal government from coming after you right now and just locking you up for whatever reason under any pretext. And they don't have to respond to anybody like that could. And it could be for any reason. It could be like, I don't like what you said. I thought you threatened people with your advocacy for Palestine, something like that. And they could be like, well, you know, they could. They can pretty much gin up any pretext to fuck you up right now. And so, you know, I think that part of our job is bringing light to these. Bringing light to what's going on in this country. And that's a part of it. And look, man, again, it would be really sad if a kid had to miss out on 6 million in Georgia to get 5 million in Michigan. But I still think that it's not that much to ask. And I hope that people talk to them about it and I hope that they educate those kids about all the other stuff that's going on around them and so that they know that we.

[Bomani Jones]

I keep, I keep hearing you on that. I'm not saying it's that much to. It's. You seem to have a plan for what you willing to do. Yeah, I don't feel like the majority of the people who are saying this have the same plan.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't think the NAACP has a plan?

[Bomani Jones]

I mean, that's a larger discussion I'm not really trying to get into right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, like don't. I mean, that's, that's an example that you could pull. But they're not the only people. I just, I don't like old people telling young people to go put up to fight. And I'm a watch you and tell you that you're doing a great job.

[Joel Anderson]

Here's the thing, man. I mean, Jesse Jackson, man, I mean, this is three months after Jesse Jackson died, which is sort of appropriate that the VRA dies after him. And he asked people again, he's an old head. John Lewis was an old head people. There's a lot of, you know, James Clyburn who got his, almost got his head beat in Orangeburg, South Carolina. There's a, there's a, A lot of old people who've sacrificed and given up things in ways that we are not always available by. And then they look back and they say, hey, look, man, I fought my whole. The thing is these old people don't have to give a shit. They could say, you know what? We fought for our rights, our time is at the end and good luck to you. Like, fudge, y'.

[Bomani Jones]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

They could do that, but they're looking back at us and they know what life was like on the other side of this thing.

[Bomani Jones]

And I. Oh, yeah, old people. I'll listen to old people, right?

[Joel Anderson]

You talking about just. You just talking about niggas saying anything more or less. Okay?

[Bomani Jones]

It just.

[Joel Anderson]

It's easy.

[Bomani Jones]

It's easy to. I'm just saying it's easy to tell other people what to do.

[Joel Anderson]

It is, it is, right?

[Bomani Jones]

And so, no, I'm not talking about, you know, the late John Lewis, okay? I'm not talking like. Like, don't take it to the extre.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay?

[Bomani Jones]

But I'm just saying it's much easier to tell other people what to do. Now, I think you raised a decent point, right? You could go get this money at Michigan or whatever it is. I just, I guess, I guess I. More than anything, I guess I'm more inclined to say I'm not necessarily inclined to chastise someone if they do not under these circumstances, because I think that that decision is a bit more complex.

[Joel Anderson]

That is fair. And the thing is, you can't build community with somebody when they turn 17 or 18 years old. I mean, that's part of it, right? So if somebody comes to you. I'm a five star athlete now. I have never heard of you before. And you telling me I can't go to Auburn because what, you know.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, like that. I think that's the thing we got. If we go do this. This is a 15 year project.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

We gotta work like that.

[Bomani Jones]

Now if we talk about it like that, like, you start. We're building this up along the way. Okay? Now, I'm. You understand what I'm saying? Like, like at that point, now I'm hearing you, if the guy that is running the AAU program or whatever it is, is like, look, we gonna start talking to you boys about this, or the 7 on 7 program, however they do it, right? You know, we gonna talk, we gonna start talking about this. And these are the things, like everything that we need to do as it relates to this. And this is one of the great mistakes we make is we don't. We don't got so much that we expect school to do it right. Like, we expect. We, we. We expect the tools of the man to do these things for us. But start this from the beginning. Now. Again, I keep saying the Same thing. I'm not sure where exactly we supposed to go under these circumstances that's going to truly feel that much better, but I get that. All right now. Coming up next, because we have been rolling for a minute, we got more coming up with Joel Anderson including what the hell going on with Stephen A. Smith and Jaylen Brown. You can predict the playoff action all the way to the finals with FanDuel predicts. All you have to do is sign up to get your $25 bonus. Follow all the playoff dishes, swishes, wishes and misses. Every move is a potential plot twist. Predict the spread, the total points and even the game winning moments that make the playoffs where one run, one rebound, one shot changes everything from opening tip to the final buzzer. Stay locked in with every pass, every play and every moment that moves us closer to crowning a champion. Sign up now for your $25 bonus on FanDuel Predicts offered by FanDuel Prediction Markets LLC, a registered Futures Commission merchant. 18 plus bonus is non withdrawable and expires 7 days after receipt Trading derivatives involve significant risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tools. Restrictions apply. See [e-mail] predicts/bonus hyphen Offer hyphen terms. All right, we are back with Joel Anderson. So I hate when this happens, right? Stephen A. Smith, when he was going off on Jaylen Brown the other day and he said the whole thing is the reason that you did this is because you know to talk about me gonna get you clicks. And the truth is. It does.

[Joel Anderson]

It works.

[Bomani Jones]

It does.

[Joel Anderson]

It really works.

[Bomani Jones]

It is, it is. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like when I, when I had Jake Paul on Game Theory and he was like, you just using me for clout. I was like, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, look, man, look, cannabis is a lot, we know a lot less about cannabis if he didn't go, if LL Cool J didn't respond to him.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, nah, nah, nah. But so what I find objectively, there are a couple of things I find objectively interesting, okay, about Stephen A. Smith. And for those who don't know, Jaylen Brown went on Twitch because that's what he do now. And I would, yeah, okay, I'll get to that point later. Jaylen Brown goes on Twitch and he tells, basically we tell Stephen A. He need to quit his job, right? That he ain't no real journalist. He just out here for the clickbait, everything else. And I actually be honest with you, I had not found that Stephen A. Smith had really been nearly as mean to Jaylen Brown as Jalen Brown believes that Stephen A. Smith has been. But whatever he gets on. Stephen A. Smith took seven minutes on first take going after this dude. That low key ended with threats of, yo, really want me. Basically, you don't want me to tell everything that I know. What struck me about the seven minutes was not simply the seven minutes, but the fact that the first take Twitter account took all seven minutes and put it online, which sounds to me like something that the boss asked them to do. Like, didn't even. Didn't even wait and let the. The clip accounts go ahead and do it. They did it themselves.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

When it got there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he. He told you. They. They ended the show and he was like, all right, I want you to clip that whole thing. Don't say yeah. Don't edit it, nothing. Run it. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, maybe it didn't go that way, right? Like, maybe their own social team. You know how I feel about social teams. Maybe they own social team made the decision. But anyway, it went out there. I'm gonna throw a couple things out there, right? Number one, I'm curious your thoughts on this part. All these athletes all this time ain't want to talk to us because the media be making them look bad, and they want to go straight to their audience without anybody manipulating their messages. And I think a lot of them should look around and realize how many times we was actually looking out.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I'm glad you said that, because the first part of the Stephen A. Rant that kind of got lost was, man, get your ass a studio.

[Bomani Jones]

Yo, that was so funny. He basically. He basically told that motherfucker does the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6, right? He said. He said, get you a studio, get you a director, get you a producer.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Class up your organization, brother, you know, before you come to me, okay. Because, I mean, if you do look at the Jalen Twitch stream, it's just kind of. I don't know. It's just very low energy, very sad. The presentation isn't. Well, like, to your point, athletes and, you know, once upon a time, I consider myself to be one, I think they do a better job of telling their stories than sometimes they do. And they think they're better. They have better at talking to their. To their fans than having the media, you know, the. The middleman of the media sometimes. And we're learning that as more people are getting out there and just going, they giving you the uncut raw on. On YouTube or Instagram or whatever. And sometimes it's like, it would be better if you had an editor. It would be better if you had somebody working with you on your messaging right now, bro. You know what I'm saying? Let's. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Or somebody who's like, getting your story down. And I don't think people realize this, man. We don't really be out here. Burn people.

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Bomani Jones]

Because that doesn't. That's not good for business.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, do you think that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I think that's true of us. Do you think that's true for everybody?

[Bomani Jones]

I think that at the median.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

That. That's a fair characterization.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Because the truth is, if what you do and it gets a little wonky when, like, you're dealing with somebody who like, drops into sports from like Rolling Stone or something like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Because. Because there are no iterations in the relationship. Right. An iterated relationship requires things happen in the name of trust. But the truth is a lot of people walking around with a lot of things they know and they do not put out there. And there are sometimes you get the money quote and you can't throw it back.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. But I think all of us have been in a place, we've been like, nah, I'm just not gonna put that in there.

[Joel Anderson]

We don't wanna. We don't wanna cause any problem. First, reporters want to be liked. They want their job to be easy. They have to be around you.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. There's a couple of them other dudes. Right. But not that many.

[Joel Anderson]

Not that many. Most of us, most of the people. And I consider myself just like a work. A dude, a workaday guy. Like, I just. I had to go to the locker room, get information. I want as little friction as possible. Like if you could break me. And also, man, I really want us to like each other because maybe someday you may tell me stuff. Right. We can work together on that kind of thing. But.

[Bomani Jones]

Exactly.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. But yeah, so I'm not gonna. Why would I embarrass you over something in your personal life? I like, you know, I'm not. That's not worth it to me because I. I'm come to you in this context, so. Yeah, absolutely.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. But I think they make. I think these cats probably do more to make themselves look bad than we do because you know who the. You know who the editors are now? People. Yeah, People who watch them streams and want the hits and clip out or the social producer or whatever it is. Right. Those people are making you look way worse.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Than we did over the course of time. That's point number one. Number two, and maybe you can help me out with this. I have been hearing for 10 years how smart Jalen Brown.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man.

[Bomani Jones]

Told dog I need somebody to explain it to me. And I'm not saying that he's not smart. It's possible. I just haven't seen any of the evidence of what you're talking about. Antonio Brown was his agent once.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, that's right.

[Bomani Jones]

Remember Kanye was his guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, that's right.

[Bomani Jones]

I've never seen the evidence of. What is this? Jaylen Brown is so smart and nothing that he's doing in his. Steven A. Smith back and forth gets it. That's. I just want. Just somebody put me up on game is all I'm saying.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I think? So do you think that Jalen Brown gets the cow? And he did. He gave a speech one time, and I can't remember what school it was at, but it was on something about like his mission or whatever. And he talked. I mean, it was a very thoughtful speech that he gave, but I think that that gave him some bail, that maybe he didn't necessarily deserve him. Again, I. Look, I don't think that. I think that Jaylen Brown. I like the way that he carries himself. He does in maybe smartness isn't what it is or intelligence. It's like dignity in seriousness. Right. Like, you could tell that he is a very serious person. And Stephen A. Said he doesn't. He doesn't seem to suffer fools. So I bet a lot of people read that and they're like, that's either really smart or really uppity, depending on who you are. Right. But what I saw in this beef is that Stephen A. Is a master of rhetoric and clarity. It's not hard to figure out what he's saying. He's always on point. Even if you don't agree with him, he's hitting his points, man. Jaylen Brown was having an argument about journalism, and that's not what was going on here. This has nothing to do with journalism. And I'm like, why did. I was saying, Jaylen, why do you keep talking about journalism that he's not practicing journalism? I mean, I'm sure Stephen A. Would agree with that.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, but journalism is one of them terms like communism, like capitalism, like socialism. Ask somebody what that mean and you might get a bunch of different answers. You know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, like, I don't.

[Bomani Jones]

I don't know. When Jaylen Brown says that you're not engaging in journalism. I don't know what he means.

[Joel Anderson]

That's fair.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm not saying he doesn't know what journalism is. I'm saying it's a term that is broadly applied.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. So do you think he also is, like. Is a. Is an analogy or a good one would have been like, media if he just said, this isn't good media. You know, you're not putting out good content.

[Bomani Jones]

Like. That's right. Like when Draymond Green was in his old media, new media thing. Yeah, right.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Bomani Jones]

What he talk like? I don't. These guys are not scholars of this industry.

[Joel Anderson]

But. But in that part of it, then it's like, wouldn't you. We shouldn't have to guess at what he meant. If you're going to do this.

[Bomani Jones]

Say that one more time.

[Joel Anderson]

We shouldn't have to guess to what you were trying to say or what you meant. Yes, if you're going to do this.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. But again, I just think this is a. This discussion about what is journalism or what is media. Da, da, da. These are. Every now and then I come across a word where I'm like, you know, I know how to use it in a sentence, but if you were to ask me to tell you what it means, I'm not exactly sure. And so I think. I think what he's just saying about Stephen A. Is, I don't think you. I just don't think you. Fair. Right. Like, I just don't. But that's not the same thing as journalism. Like. Like, you know, where people are like, well, Stephen A. Is not a journalist anymore. No, First. I think Stephen A. Is still a journalist. I think First Take is not a journalistic show, but I think the Stephen A. Takes a lot of the practices of journalism to inform what he does on that show, which is a commentary show.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. That's right. Yeah. That's fair. I mean, yeah, it could be totally that. He just got that wrong because I. I was like. He kept saying journalism, and I was like, does he think that Stephen A. Is like. That he's. That this. This is based on reporting anything? Sometimes. Again, a lot of what Stephen A says on First Take is informed by the conversations he has with other people. That is a part of journalism, Right?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

But like the practice that he's on there doing, that's not journalism. That is media. That is just content. And again, it's not bad. That's not a value judgment, but that's just what is going on.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, but my other thing on it is I just don't think that threatening people is a great look or idea. Right. Like, one thing that fascinates me about Stephen A. Is that he's like, I am as big a star as everybody I cover. Like, that is how he sees himself. You see that in the way that he walks through arenas. You see that in doing all the commercials and everything else is that he sees himself as in this ecosystem, not simply like you go to a bar with something. You go to a bar in the city during a sporting. Sporting event is going on. There's an ecosystem, right? There's the players. There are all the people that are kind of around the players. There's maybe some people from the league, and then there are the journalists who are just there and around. And part of the job, that's how you get up on games, is being around. Like, there's just a. The NBA in particular, I'm more familiar with, but it's just a world around it. The groupies that get to the first security guard, the group is. They get to the second security guard. All of it is. But it's a whole biological system that exists. And Stephen A. The journalist or the writer was typical as a guy who was just kind of there hanging around. Even if you got, like, to the heights of it, you're kind of a guy that's just there. Stephen A. Sees himself as a guy that is coming in and is the same right. As all these other dudes. In fact, to be fair to him, is more famous than probably 75% of them at this point.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

And makes as much money. He made more than. He made more than the middle level exception.

[Joel Anderson]

Right? That's fair. I mean, he does. I mean, yeah, Stephen A. That's probably. Stephen A. Probably more famous than 90 to 95% of athletes, to be honest, bro. I mean, you know, I think that. Yeah, Stephen A. Should not. I mean, here's the thing that I think of, speaking of journalism. Well, you have information. What you're alluding to is the idea that you have information as to why Jaylen Brown's teammates and people in the league don't like him and may not necessarily want to work with him. Why wouldn't you report that if you have that information? Why would you withhold that from us? It was kind of like the Ruben Bane shit. Like during the draft, they were like, oh, yeah, everybody happened to know that he had killed somebody in a car accident a year ago. Oh, for real? Why didn't y' all Tell us that. And that's kind of how I feel about this, that that's totally within the. Isn't that not totally within fair game to talk about that on that show if he has that information? So why would you withhold it? Stephen A. And which, which goes to show then that this not really like you to your point about making threats against people that actually, that that's like agenda based shit. Wouldn't the people say that it's like, oh, you made me mad now, now I want to say something bad about you on air. Well, you had information all along if you were being fair and impartial and this was something that was going to teach us and tell us about the behind the scenes. The behind the scenes of one of the NBA's most prominent and best teams and why things may not be working out in the way that we think. Like, you're not going to, you're only going to tell us that because you're mad.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, that's my thing. If it's, if it hasn't been worth saying up to this point, then it's not worth saying. Yeah, if it's only if it's worth saying because the person you're covering has offended you, that, that doesn't play well. Right. Like that's not, that's why they don't like us.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, I mean that is kind of like the exact example of a thing that they would accuse us of doing. Oh, you're reporting on me because I didn't give you access or because I've shut you out or because I said something mean to you or whatever, or I gave information to another reporter and not you. And now you've got an agenda against me and you're going to try to embarrass me. They say that all the time. They do. Like that is an allegation made against media fairly regularly. And what Stephen A. Is saying is that, yeah, it's kind of, I mean, shit, some of us do do that. I'm down to do it and I just, you know, I don't think that's a good look. But I also understand that again, Stephen A. Is not a reporter. Like, like this is, this is good business for Stephen A. Man. Like, I don't, I can't, I mean, I, I don't think I have to respect everything that he does. But like, I know that this is all part of the theater of Stephen A. Smith. He did this shit with Kevin Durant, you know, you don't want.

[Bomani Jones]

That was another one. You don't Want me to go? Yeah, I'm kind of like. I'm surprised that. That. That's. That's not an approach I would recommend.

[Joel Anderson]

No, right. Nobody. Not many people can do that either, by the way.

[Bomani Jones]

That is. That is also true. And look, man, there's always been journalists, media figures, whoever it is, who are powerful enough to get people to bend to their will, right? There's always been the guys that, hey, you. But, you know, you better give me that information. And then they get it. And then they go, yeah, but this. This is. I don't know. It was. I looked at that one and I was like, hey, nobody to root for. Isn't that something?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, absolutely. And without my advice to you, Jaylen Brown, I think Stephen A. Was right. Hire an editor. Hire a producer. Get a background. Like, get a nice background when you're gonna broadcast, if you're gonna do this. And that's what I would say to any athlete. If you wanna talk to your public, like, just professionalize your shit a little bit, and maybe you can tap into the potential that they think is out there. But right now, the way a lot of y' all are doing it is just kind of looks sloppy, dog.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, look, man, this is also. This is not a job that any old body can do. Do. It's just not.

[Joel Anderson]

People think they can get on the mic and just. It'll, you know, they can say whatever. And that, like, what we do is not hard. I'm like, bro, I understand that sometimes we can make it look like this is just a fun conversation between friends, but there's a lot of, like, shit that goes into the background before you get on here. And once you're on here, you gotta be sort of entertaining, man. You gotta be. Get people to be willing to look up at you or listen to what you gotta say. And everybody just can't do that.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh. And I feel like I don't know how many people listening to this can do what I do.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know, you just can't.

[Bomani Jones]

I mean, it's not. It's. And by the way, I probably can't do what you do. Like, this is a. This is a profe. I am a professional at my job, you know. Wow. The thing said, Joel just gave me a thumbs down.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no. Why would it do that?

[Bomani Jones]

No, no, no. It happened. It happened on the screen. It's not your fault. I didn't think you did.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, look at that.

[Bomani Jones]

There's the thumbs up to make up for it. Fantastic. I'll give you one, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody Nobody. I'm going to say this because people always call me a hater, and they're wrong. Bomani is the best extemporaneous talker that I know of. I can't say that nobody is more gifted. You can just throw a word at Bomani and he can talk about it intelligently. He won't step in it. Bomani's been talking on the mic for a decade. More than that. Fifteen, almost 2020, and never gotten into no shit that would. Like, people were like, man, you shouldn't have said that on air. You might get fired. Like, that is incredible. That is an incredible ratio, dog, to have that career and not do that.

[Bomani Jones]

I appreciate that. And just so you know, as people, you know, I understand why you would think that you not a hater. But I'll have you know I have not tolerated any Joel Anderson slander about them videos them boys was putting out about you. I done roll for you in front of the world, dog. Don't ever say I never did, you dig?

[Joel Anderson]

And look, I'm gonna. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna compliment you again, say listeners, Bo has been a friend to me in ways that I can't even talk about on here. So I, I come in love. Okay, I appreciate it. I'm not going. Yeah, but. And I did hear what you said. No, no, no. And I heard what you said, and I'm glad you put that out there into the ether, because I got. I'm gonna talk about it on Tailgate. More in depth. But like, bro, if you. I dare anybody to get up off their chair, somebody that has not done anything athletic in a year, get their ass up off the chair and go, just try to do something athletic. You know what I'm saying? Just go, go try, like, try to try to go for a layup. Go try to catch a 10 yard out and see how your body feels when you do it. And I just, you know, I had the experience of looking on camera and being like, man, I look like I'm the subject of America's Funniest Home Videos. You know what I'm saying? I was like, you know, I'm an old. I was like, oh, shit, man, I'm an old man, dog. I'm like one of them old goofy, you know, flabby dad to just kind of, oh, that fell down there. And I was like, but you know what? I needed it. I fed off who were talking about me, who maybe shouldn't have been talking about me. Oh, I'm sorry. I Didn't mean to say it like that. I fed off of that. And I'm gonna be ready, dog. I'm getting my shit together. Trust me.

[Bomani Jones]

Powered by spite. Joel Anderson is powered. It is amazing, because I am so not powered by Spike. And you are. Are 100% driven. 87, 91, 93, whatever octane spike y' all got over there.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, it makes me so amped, man. I think it's a real problem in my life because I would like to be able to tap into that motivation all the time, you know, because it can really make me do powerful things. Right. I remember a girl, Janae, once told me, she was like, you can't jump over this. This pole. Like, you know, it's like one of them little poles in a walking trail. I was so offended. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm. I'm an. Come on, man. Don't treat me like I'm an elderly man. And so, bro, I started working out again. You know what I'm saying? Got myself rocked up. Usually my workouts come off of some sort of insult, or when I look at myself and I'm like, I don't like the way that look, bro. So that's what I need to get right.

[Bomani Jones]

When the race gonna be? Joel Anderson versus Billy Gill. When the race gonna be? Cause I need to clear my schedule to see if I can make it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, look, I would assume sometime right now, before the season. Okay. So my thing is, anybody who saw that video again, everybody. I. Yeah, Tate. Tate, you know, embarrass me, dog.

[Bomani Jones]

Even though, by the way, Tate better athlete than people realize.

[Joel Anderson]

Tate is a very good athlete. He is a very good athlete. But I. Look, man, I jammed a way out the field that wasn't in a. In a game. In a game, he's not even an option anymore. Okay? But I'm. I'm. I'm bringing that mentality. I'm just like, oh, I jam taped. I was like, he's no longer an option. Option. The quarterback is gonna have to go somewhere else. But that's not how seven on seven goes, or one on ones or whatever, so.

[Bomani Jones]

But, yeah, it's still bothering you, isn't it?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, you know, like, man, Doc Bomani can talk about me. Van can talk about me. You know what I'm saying? Tate should talk about me. Dominique can talk about me. I just felt like there was some people out there taking shots of the.

[Bomani Jones]

Say his name. Say his name.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm not gonna say it.

[Bomani Jones]

Say his name.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm not gonna say it.

[Bomani Jones]

Say his name.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not gonna say. Van told me not to. To. Van told me not to. Van. Van. Van called. You all have had tried to stage various levels of intervention with me this week, and I wasn't even that mad because there's. There's more. Trust me, there's a lot more people. A lot more like, racist people mad at me about my appearance on Rewatchables right now. That's a whole. Whole other conversation I'm avoiding right now.

[Bomani Jones]

Did y'. All. Did. Was y' all on there talking about hooses or something?

[Joel Anderson]

No. Tropic Thunder.

[Bomani Jones]

Did you have a problem with Tropic Thunder?

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't, but I didn't love it. And so because I didn't love it, people thought that I hated it. And, you know, I don't want to get into the background on what happened there, but, look, I did the best that I could. I tried to be as enthusiastic about the movie as I could.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm going to teach you one day how to not keep making things happen. When you're talking to your boss. You've. This is two times in a row that you've been on a show with your boss, and it. You just can't help. I understand.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, he has a total. The kind of person that comes in to listen to my boss, who is a good dude. Very good dude. One of the best people I've ever worked for. A lot of people that come to see Bill Simmons, though, I mean, I just had to say it. They're racist, dog.

[Bomani Jones]

Well, it's kind of like when I would do pti, and I'm like, oh, this is a different audience than when I do these daytime shows.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. And there are a lot of great Bill Simmons fans and ringer fans, and I. This has been an experience that is truly unique. Like, I've really enjoyed it, Dog. Bomani, you appreciate this. When I was in Manhattan Beach a couple weeks ago, and I'm gonna go get dinner at the water, you know what I'm saying? I was gonna, you know, just. Just chill out, just think about stuff. And I go to Old Navy to buy myself some pants and some brother in Old Navy. I see him look at me, and he's like. And he comes around, he's like, are you Joel Anderson? And I was like, yeah. He was like, man, I love you. On the Bomani Jones Show, I think it was a Tyrell and Manhattan beach, so shout out Tyrell and Manhattan Beach. So look, man, this. This. This this ringer thing is great, but I just. Some of them people, man, you know, they don't, like. They don't. They don't. They don't want to fly in their ointment, you know?

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. But, Joel, I just want to remind you, some of those people aren't people. That. That's what I need you to understand about the Internet.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you see the fight I had on threads yesterday?

[Bomani Jones]

No, Joel. No, I did not.

[Joel Anderson]

Somebody. I complimented fucking Boston. I complimented that city. They were like, what city do you think really exceeded your expectations? And I said, boston. I was like, it actually is kind of pretty. I like being on the water. Like, there's more diverse than you thought. And, man, of course, you know, every black person from Boston does not. Howard Bryant had to come and be like, well, actually, it's been very diverse. We do blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, man, I don't give a fuck, bro. I was like. I was trying to be nice about your city. I was trying to be nice, and they couldn't even accept it. So, you know me, I was just like, fuck Boston. There were all these other people that came in, started talking, and I'm just like. I was like. At a certain point, I was like, man, I wonder if this person is real. So maybe. But wouldn't that be weird to create a bot that would do that? What's the point of creating a bot? That they would have an argument with me about Boston.

[Bomani Jones]

Some things aren't to be understood. Joel Anderson. Check him out on the ring of tailgate. Go ahead and do the thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. What's up? Check me out on the ring of tailgate and the press box and, you know, on the website. Cause I got some stories to write that they'll be coming up soon that will not be about sports.

[Bomani Jones]

All right, I'll check them out. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumble handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line, 323596. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.