Mahomes ACL tear ends Chiefs era, Sherrone Moore Saga unfolds, Philip Rivers returns | 12.15

Summary

The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Episode: Mahomes ACL tear ends Chiefs era, Sherrone Moore Saga unfolds, Philip Rivers returns | 12.15
Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Bomani Jones with Ryan Brumley

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Episode Overview

In this packed episode, Bomani Jones and producer Ryan Brumley dig into a trio of major sports stories:

• The implications of Patrick Mahomes’ ACL tear and what it means for the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty,
• The stunning “Sherrone Moore saga” at Michigan and its aftermath,
• Philip Rivers’ surprise NFL comeback at age 44.

The episode weaves through questions of organizational change, the end of sports eras, off-field scandal, injury doom, and personal and institutional accountability, all with Bomani’s signature candor and wit. Listener voicemails and notable NBA updates round out a wide-ranging show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. The Chiefs Era and Mahomes ACL Tear (03:00 – 20:00)

The Injury & Its Symbolism

• Bomani reacts solemnly to Mahomes’ torn ACL, positing this as a potential end to the Chiefs’ dominant run.
• Compares the cultural weight and changing meaning of “torn ACL” to “millionaire,” noting how both terms have evolved (“[A torn ACL] is a lot of injury, just as a million dollars is still a lot of money... there’s a little bit less doom and gloom around the idea that you have a torn ACL.” (05:30))
• Discusses how athlete recovery expectations have changed, but cautions Chiefs should not “Robert Griffin all-in-for-week-one” Mahomes.

Roster Aging and Dynasty Fatigue

• Chiefs’ long run: “They’ve essentially played an extra season’s worth of games over this last half-decade. That has to have a wear and tear at everyone on that building.” (15:37)
• Key players (Chris Jones, Travis Kelce) may depart or retire; their motivations questioned.
• Bomani jokes about Kelce’s off-field opportunities: “Matter of time before he and Klay Thompson get a podcast together.” (07:36)

Comparative Organizational Analysis

• Points to 49ers’ Kyle Shanahan’s ability to adapt with talent turnover, contrasting with Andy Reid’s reliance on Mahomes.
• Raises critical questions: Is the Chiefs’ offensive drop-off a roster problem or a coaching scheme issue?
• Suggests Chiefs use this “surgical downtime” to overhaul and reassess the franchise.

End of an Era?

• Draws parallels to the Patriots’ dynasty: “Maybe this is how a run is supposed to end.” (15:00)
• Stresses importance of not rushing Mahomes back, referencing Paul George’s injury return strategy.
• Extensive debate over the greatest tight end—Kelsey vs. Gonzalez, Gates, Gronkowski, and the legacy of the AFC West’s elite at the position.

II. NFL Injury Apocalypse (13:00 – 14:30, 43:23 – 44:40)

• Week marked by significant injuries: Micah Parsons, Devonte Adams, Puka Nukua (“Dropping like flies. Like, actually, it was a game that reminded me why I chose this as the team to root for. Even with them not winning.” (43:38))
• Bomani reflects on the accumulative toll of NFL seasons: “Every additional game of football you play is another chance for a catastrophe.” (12:41)
• Briefly addresses the “high probability” of Jerry Jones making a misstep in Cowboys post-game comments.
• Wonders whether we’re witnessing an inevitable winding down of the Chiefs’ era despite Mahomes’ greatness.

III. The Sherrone Moore Saga at Michigan (21:13 – 37:00)

Scandal Unfolds

• Bomani waited to comment, sensing the story would get “more wild” after Moore’s sudden firing and arraignment.
• Marvels at the rapid, complete derailment of Moore’s career: “He doesn’t turn 40 until February. He got a dream job and his entire career is over before he turned 40 years old.” (22:38)
• The episode’s racial dynamics and salaciousness: “The story is made more salacious by the fact that he risked it all behind some young white woman that worked in the office.” (23:26)
• Expresses skepticism at the timing and deliverance of the accusations—“Am I expected to believe that she just decided to do this out of nowhere?” (28:26)

Institutional Fallout

• Details Moore’s prior investigations, relationships with subordinates, and the lack of hard evidence until recent events.
• Critiques Michigan’s HR and admin, especially the solo firing by the athletic director.
• Highlights the inevitability of a wider internal investigation—though Bomani questions its thoroughness and political motivations: “Consultants generally are people you pay to tell you to do what you already wanted to do. This…is an example of the consulting business.” (33:45)

Cultural Commentary & Personal Reflection

• Bomani, with Ryan’s support, explores the story’s racial and social undercurrents.
• As the case turns more serious, he acknowledges the limits of dark humor, noting the gravity as details emerge: “This case has tested at many points my question of is this funny? Not so much the macro…there's little funnies along… but this isn’t. No, no, no, it’s not.” (34:24)

Notable Moment

“Ultimately, you never want to sleep with anybody who has less to lose than you do. So, ultimately…if I’m ever going to sleep around on Ms. Terry, it’s going to be with Hillary fucking Rodham Clinton.”
—Nick Saban, as recounted by Bomani (37:13)

IV. Philip Rivers’ Return at Age 44 (39:57 – 43:23)

• Rivers unexpectedly started and nearly led a win, but Bomani and Ryan saw little to root for: “He is a Larry Holmes all-star, man. Like, he looking flabby as sick.” (39:57)
• The spectacle bordered on sad—or, for some, strangely compelling—more “insulting to Riley Leonard” (42:01) than inspiring.
• Bomani admits generational distance: “I did not find this inspiring at all. I was not rooting for him. I thought, this is stupid.” (43:07)

V. College Football: Kalyn DeBoer and Alabama’s Chaos (44:40 – 47:00)

• DeBoer issues a non-committal denial of Michigan interest after Alabama’s (relative) struggles.
• Bomani points out how extended playoffs mean more “good teams end the year with a loss”—affecting coaches’ job security and narratives.
• Discusses the financial dynamics of DeBoer’s contract and the shifting coaching landscape.

VI. NBA Cup: Spurs, Thunder, and the Wembanyama-Chet Rivalry (47:00 – 50:00)

• Spurs upset Thunder; Victor Wembanyama’s dominant 7-minute stretch spurs talk of a real rivalry.
• Wembanyama’s snark: “Ethical basketball, you know…” (47:19) — veiled shot at Thunder’s defensive style.
• Bomani relishes the international contrast between Wemby & Chet Holmgren, predicting a long, spicy rivalry.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mahomes’ injury/Era ending:
  “It’s a wrap on you guys. You’re done…Like, this is the thing. We’re at that time of year in the NFL where now the guys are dropping like flies…” (05:15; 12:41)
• On Travis Kelce’s future:
  “I mean, college love. Right? Like it hit you for the first time. And college love can definitely have you skipping classes…” (08:17)
• On Michigan’s ordeal:
  “The fact that this gentleman lost it all behind that particular white woman in that particular station in life is not going over well with the people.” (24:11)
• On administrative blunders:
  “I done seen people walked out of the office after getting fired for under far less combustible circumstances than these.” (25:34)
• On the consulting investigation:
  “Consultants generally are people you pay to tell you to do what you already wanted to do.” (33:46)
• On Wemby and the Thunder (NBA):
  “He hates Chet, number one. Like Chet’s missing free-throws, he’s clapping at the, you know, he hates them…they just try to take his rock every time he dribbles.” (48:00)

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Listener Voicemails (50:01 – 57:00)

Voicemails range from comedic to reflective, including:

• Lawrence Fishburne vs. Stringer Bell/Lane Kiffin Quiz:
  “The best part about Stringer Bell not being a real person is...I don’t have to respect his humanity. That allows me to lean all the way in.” (50:58)
• Bear encounter stories:
  Entertaining tales of listeners’ run-ins with bears during camping trips, with Bomani connecting the stories to larger cultural narratives.

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• [03:00] Chiefs’ Era, Mahomes Injury Analysis
• [13:38] NFL Injuries Discussion
• [21:13] Sherrone Moore Saga at Michigan
• [39:57] Philip Rivers’ NFL Return
• [44:40] Alabama, DeBoer, College Football Playoffs
• [47:00] NBA Cup: Spurs vs. Thunder Rivalry
• [50:01] Voicemails (Fishburne, Stringer Bell, Bears)
• [56:34] Final Bear Story & Wrap-up

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Tone & Delivery

Bomani employs his usual mix of sharp, incisive analysis, cultural candor, and offbeat humor. Ryan Brumley provides stats and a grounded counterpoint, especially in dissecting team operations and the surreality of current events. The show flows from solemnity in moments of scandal, to raucous joking about coaches’ off-field decisions, to genuine sports nostalgia.

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Conclusion:
This is a classic, multi-threaded “Right Time” episode—moving deftly from deep sports analytics to the personal, institutional, and cultural repercussions of sports and the people in it. Fans of Bomani’s blend of humor, social acumen, and hard-nosed sports takes will find lots to dig into—and plenty to keep them thinking (and laughing) about the state of the game.

Transcript

[Bomani Jones]

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[Ryan Brumley]

Shrun Moore.

[Bomani Jones]

You know who I was mixing him up with? Ryan.

[Ryan Brumley]

I, I, he said the center, the old, the center from Ohio.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes I was. Yes I was. I was messing him up with. How does he say Sharon?

[Ryan Brumley]

I think, I think yeah, it looks like Sharad but I believe it's Sher.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, I think yeah, he goes with Sharon. And I wonder like they don't make.

[Ryan Brumley]

A lot of either those right?

[Bomani Jones]

And when Sharad like became a thing, was he sitting around saying, y' all are saying it wrong, right? Like, like he just insisting like no, no, no, no, no no no. It is Sherrod, not Sharad. And somebody was like, hey Rob, what you say, bro? I a really understand you like that.

[Ryan Brumley]

It depends on what parts of Ohio he was in.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, I have so many questions because I also feel like his Shar, it precedes the proliferation of of charades in the larger society, right? Or perhaps when he was born I guess somebody thought it was. He had a different daddy, you know what I mean? Many, many things are possible. Anything could happen. Anyway, it is Cherone Moore, you are correct. And I'm glad I had funny jokes to make off of that. Otherwise we'd have had to rerack and start it again. However, we're here.

[Ryan Brumley]

We are.

[Bomani Jones]

We're rolling. We'll get to that. And now I have to put on my solemn face because Patrick Mahomes has a torn acl. The best quarterback I believe that I have ever seen, and one that I don't have the greatest interpretation of his play this year. But I'm just not inclined to believe that out of nowhere he became terrible. Lamar Jackson is creating a similar conversation, although he, he ain't. He don't play good. I don't understand that either. But either way, with Mahomes, Satorin, acl, it happens basically, like they weren't going to win that game, they're not going to go to the playoffs. So almost, in a way, it wouldn't have mattered if they were 13 and 0, right? Mahomes tears his ACL. All of this is moot. It's a wrap on you guys. You're done. They try to garden a miss. You out there like, come on, man, it just ain't gonna be. Now, obviously you don't want your quarterback to suffer a major injury, but I think it's very interesting to consider at times like ACL still sounds like acl. Like, you know what acl, torn ACL is in a lot of ways, torn ACL is a lot like the word millionaire, okay? And here's what I mean by that. Millionaire at one time meant someone who had $1 million or someone who made a million dollars a year, however you want to put it right, okay? However, what a million dollars means is much different now than what it used to mean. It used to mean you had a much more of a staggering sum of money because inflation, da da, da. Everything else, right? So like people who are millionaires now, the word in technically speaking may mean the same thing, what a million dollars is, but in the actual function of it, not quite. But when people call somebody a millionaire, they still mean it like they did back in the day as a daddy war bucks, right? They say it the exact same way. They mean it the same way. But a million dollars ain't the same. Torn ACL is very similar in the sense that while it is a lot of injury, just as a million dollars is still a lot of money. But Robin Leach ain't showing up on your house for no $1 million. And there's a little bit less doom and gloom around the idea that you have a torn acl. Right. I think it is fair to assume that at some point next, next season, Patrick Mahomes will be back. I think it would be silly to try to rush that process. Right. You don't need to get yourself on no Robert Griffin all in for week one situation. Go ahead and take your time and take this opportunity to look around the place and ask yourself what kind of changes is it that you need to make? Because, baby, y' all need to make some changes. And I say that because Ryan, what they. How many. What, they win 15 games last year?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, they went. They went 15 and two.

[Bomani Jones]

They went 15 and two and they went to the super bowl. And yes, they got their clocks cleaned in the super bowl and it was a bit of a cliffhanger season, but they won 15 games last year. And I think most of us believed that they got better right. After last year. Coming into this year, the advanced numbers, like we Talked about this DVOA, they were top 10, DVO 18. But they lived at the margins last year. And this year, at those same margins, it was going in the opposite direction. And that makes it somewhat difficult to evaluate how good you are or are not right from where I'm standing, I do think. May you tell me if I'm wrong here. Chris Jones is. Thank you for the memories. We gonna play a real long video when you come back and play against us for another team, one that you will try to seek out in your own division because you're gonna be mad.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right?

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Like Chris Jones, Denver Bronco. I don't know anything about the cap or anything else, but that's the kind of stuff that happens, right? They're going to have decisions make about him. Travis Kelce, it's this, this has to be over. Right? I mean, I don't think he's been bad this year, but I don't know how much money you can keep pumping into this. He's. I don't know how much more he's going to want to do. Like, you think he want to come back and play with O Garden, miss you.

[Ryan Brumley]

And he's got, let's say, other things he can do.

[Bomani Jones]

He does. He, he, he does. Matter of time before he and Klay Thompson get a podcast together. Clay Thompson. You see that where Megan St. Put that video up? I heard picking up, picking out his clothes for him and then putting that thing on him and then he showed up in those clothes. I'm surprised that he even still comes to the games. Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, again, again, someone with better options.

[Bomani Jones]

Yo, he is in. And I look good. Good for all the people involved. I want to be very clear about everyone involved.

[Ryan Brumley]

Seems very happy.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. But Klay Thompson, in particular look like that kind of like, I mean, college love.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right?

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Like it hit you for the first time. And college love can definitely have you skipping classes. Like. Like, I mean, I don't know why. Maybe. I don't know how much longer she gonna keep on rapping, like, all of this. But I look at him in particular, like, partner, I don't even know. I. And y' all ain't even good.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Are you good? I'm sorry, I. You want to talk about going through the motions in practice? I. Especially with that dumpster fire that they've got over there.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, yeah. Who wants to go, go, go to work and hang out with Jason Kidd?

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. When nothing's going the way it was supposed to. You see, you see what's his name, Lively? He got hurt.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

So, like, all. All the reasons we thought they might be able to make, you know, make something out of that situation.

[Ryan Brumley]

They're in trade. Anthony Davis. Yeah, it's. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I think the. The Mavericks and Klay Thompson have agreed to a contract buyout for X Amount numbers. Feels very Marchish.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. Although it's entirely possible to. Clay, none of this bothers him.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

He could be. He might just be showing up to work like, oh, man, we lost again. Yeah, shucks, shucks.

[Ryan Brumley]

I'm going to go back to my very famous, very attractive, very talented wife, who's also a very good cook on the side.

[Bomani Jones]

And. And my four championship rings that I've.

[Ryan Brumley]

Already acquired and my nearly $300 million I made playing basketball.

[Bomani Jones]

Why does he still come to work? I don't understand why he still comes to work. Patrick Mahomes might be itchy to get his ass back, though, but that's neither here nor there.

[Ryan Brumley]

Talk about a spouse who might start a podcast, say.

[Bomani Jones]

I'm just saying might. I don't know. I don't know. Nothing that's going on in their life. Right. I've seen enough of Klay Thompson to know what's going on there. Patrick Mahomes, I have no idea. I'm just throwing up the possibility that you might be out here putting in work. Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, aggressively attacking his rehab.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Yeah. Here I was talking about he ain't gonna get back for week one. You never know. He might be like, no, I'll be back for OTAs. Who's to say? We got somebody we'll talk about a little bit later that apparently, you know, didn't want to be home that bad himself. But they got to figure some stuff out, man. All right? Like, the Chiefs are in a situation now, and it's not just simply that they have to figure some stuff out. They have the opportunity to do it. This can happen where you get something a little bad happens. And now you know how sometimes it is that somebody will go in and they'll have one surgery, but since they in there for the first surgery, like, go ahead and be like, okay, well, since you're going to be laid up, why don't we go ahead and do this scope on your ankle, too? Right? That happens sometimes. Feel like that is the situation the Chiefs are in. This is a question that my good buddy Charlie Kravitz brought up while we were talking. Both bouncing things off as we were preparing for our various shows. But Krabs made a very interesting point about this. Kyle Shanahan over there making it happen with Matt Corkle, Jones. They got a receiver they spend like $30 million a year on. They just got rid of him. Like, he doesn't even play. Christian McCaffrey has gotten old. George Kittle is. Whatever age he is, whatever. But you hand Kyle Shanahan whatever. Kyle Shanahan will cook up an offense for you. Andy Reid has perhaps the best quarterback of all time. And, I mean, we generally agreed that what they had going on at receiver was pretty good coming into this year, especially after they got Rasheed Rice back. Right? Like, remember, we thought that anything that we thought was short with that offense, well, once he came back off of that suspension, we're looking at it like, oh, okay, cool. Well, now they gonna be straight, right? Like, I felt good about seeing Thornton. Like, they had spent speed. They had guys that can at least get down the field and get open. They're not able to generate much offense. They're not able to run the ball. This game against the Charters, they couldn't run the ball. How much of that is scheme, right? How much of that is not a question of how good the coach is. It's a question of how good of a job the coach is doing. Given what they had, like, now's the chance and opportunity for them to do the math on all of these things, because worst case scenario just showed up, man, like. Like, this is the thing we're at that time of year in the NFL where now the guys are dropping like flies and we're not at the point of the 17th game of the season. But I mean, I think some of this does wind up being cumulative year over year or whatever. But every additional game of football you play is another chance for a catastrophe. Right? That's just kind of how. How it. How it goes. Michael Parsons. That sounds like an ACL tear, Ryan. They say in all the things they say when they know it's an ACL tear, but they just hope it against hope. With that mri, you look at Adam.

[Ryan Brumley]

Schefter's Twitter and Michael Parsons coach commenting on Mark Parsons does not look good. Sean McVeigh on Devonte Adams does not look good. Puka Nukua walked out of that game. He ended up coming back. And of course, you know what happened with Micah and Patrick Mahomes today.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Devonte Adams, I was watching that play as it happened. It looked like it's that old sniper.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Right. Like he just went straight down. Like this is. Can your team hold up? Right. That's just. That's just really what this comes down to now from this point for the rest. And if you're in a position where you lose your best player now, you really check some things, right. I'm gonna say this, though. I know the Cowboys, they play the Vikings, we record before that game because we don't really care that much. But I tell you, it's a high possibility that Jerry Jones is going to say the wrong thing, you know, So I, like, like, I, I will tell you people right now, it's 8:23 Eastern Time when we are recording this. So if Jerry happened to say something like, well, you know, we were a little bit fearful or something like that.

[Ryan Brumley]

We will talk about it on Tuesday.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. I say. And that is why we decided to trade him. I don't know that he's going to say that, but it's totally in the cards that I could look like a psychic. And he says the exact same thing that I'm talking about right now. Because, Jerry, don't be remembering that anybody is out here listening to him, paying attention to the words that he says. Right. It could happen. But also this. This possibility. Ryan, I'm gonna get you back on this because I'm curious what you think here. She's been doing this for 10 years, man. Right. Like, even in the presence of the greatest quarterback we've ever seen, maybe this is how. This is how a run is supposed to end. Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

I mean, you look, you obviously you make The Ace the AFC championship game 17 years or seven years in a row. Excuse me. They've been making the playoffs every year from 2014. Obviously some of that predates Patrick Mahomes.

[Bomani Jones]

Right.

[Ryan Brumley]

You know, within the Alex Smith years. I think Kelsey was probably had a piece in all of that.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. So, like you look, I mean, the cumulative effect, they've essentially played an extra season's worth of games over this last half decade. And that has to have a wear and tear at everyone on that building.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Like, whatever it is, it's going to be the next stretch of this run. So I think the Brady years are the Patriots. I feel like we can break down into three stretches. And the stretch is really the inflection point is Randy Moss. Right, Right. Like there is to me on both ends. Right, Right. It's before Moss, during Moss, after Moss enduring Moss, to be fair, is only.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, what is it?

[Bomani Jones]

Three year stretch, like 07, 08, 09. And then 2010 is when they traded them to the Vikings. But those are the different runs. Like now that middle one has this 17. Oh, I mean, 17 one season or 16 one how it turned out? I mean, they. Yeah, 18 one. There we go. That run had. That they had the year where Brady gets hurt. Right. But then even in 09, he came back. He was really good. Like that team was one thing. It was built around another paradigm when they did not have any great receiving threat. Like you had very good Troy Brown, for example. You had Dion Branch. And then after it is the tight end era, it is Rob Gronkowski, the stretchman. Aaron Hernandez is basically when they just started throwing the ball to the white boys.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. I mean, you're not even mentioning Wes Walker or Julian Edelman.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, yes. Chris Hogan, remember?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Gutter Olsefsky.

[Voicemail Callers]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

That's just when Belichick had the. Had the Google alert. Right. Just. Just. Hey, yeah, look, look. They must have been a nonprofit, like a placement organization like the one that puts poor black kids into prep schools. Right. Like somebody had to be like. No, if you just sit down and interview him, you'll see what we're talking about and we'll make it work. But whatever the run was, that run is done. Right. I guess we would call that the. It's really kind of the Travis Kelsey era, as you. You know, you're correct in the Alex Smith part. Right. Like Kelsey's kind of the bridge. But obviously we're talking about Patrick Mahomes. Right. But if we say it's the end of Kelsey, it's the end of Mahomes. This is going to be the split. Look, you got tickets to sell and everything else, but you don't put him back on the field until like you put him back at the end of next season. So he's not starting. Like when Paul George broke his leg and they brought him back for eight games at the end of one year because there was no reason to come at the top of the next year with him. Like with all that whatever was apprehensive or whatever wasn't solid. Like go ahead and work that stuff out now. But if this is the end of that run, that's what? Five Super Bowls, three championships, a 5,000 yard pass this season, three MVPs.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. With maybe the greatest tight end of all time.

[Bomani Jones]

With possibly the best tight end in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe.

[Ryan Brumley]

Ooh, interesting.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, no, no, look, and this is no knock to Travis Kelsey. You could make the argument that Travis Kelsey is the fifth best tight end in the history of, of the AFC West.

[Ryan Brumley]

Gronk. Oh, no.

[Bomani Jones]

AFC West. Antonio Gates. No, in no particular order, Antonio Gates. Antonio Gates.

[Ryan Brumley]

Shannon Sharp.

[Bomani Jones]

Shannon Sharp. Kelly Winslow.

[Ryan Brumley]

Tony Gonzalez.

[Bomani Jones]

Tony Gonzalez. Dave Casper is also in the hall of Fame. For whatever it's worth, I don't have the same frame of reference on him. That's just to say that is the division of great tight end.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Is all I'm saying is there. Antonio Gates had a hundred something touchdown catches.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. I mean his stats look unreal. And I mean, and I mean obviously like people like Shannon was unbelievable. Williamsville was unbelievable. Like those are like you said, it's a conference of great tight ends.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. But this is the thing I'd say about Gates that's a bit different relative to all of them is that Gates was a number like Shannon Sharp was a threat as a tight end. Antonio Gates, I feel like for the entirety of his run was basically the number one receiver. Right. He was not. I don't recall a Tyreek Hill. Correct. On the, on the Antonio Gates watch, he was that guy. Right. Let's say a hundred something touchdown catch. Like you know, we talked about Philip Rivers and people, you know, the idea that Philip Rivers is going to the hall of Fame, if he does, Antonio Gates is a significant reason why that could happen. But no, that this would be an unreal run that they have had. Right. Like just nuts. It is kind of whack that it would end with a Patrick Mahomes ACL tear. But I don't think he's done.

[Ryan Brumley]

No, quickly. There are. There are always seven receivers with more touchdowns than Antonio Gates.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I think people miss a.

[Ryan Brumley]

And one of them we're not allowed to name on the show.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, it's not. Not like, like, look, it just be clear how tight is to me. There's a. There's two lists. There's the list that has Gronk on it.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, we didn't. Yeah, we haven't said the word Gronk yet.

[Bomani Jones]

And then the one for the rest of you. Yeah, like, that's the. Like. Like the. The. The Travis Kelce is a better tight end to Rob Gronkowski. No, man. Like, don't let my buddy Nick get y' all out here lying to y'. All. And if it's not Nick that's got you saying that, stop smoking crack. Ryan, I want you to jump on here with me. So. Because you can vouch for the truth in this. I was telling you about this. That. So we had recorded all of our episodes for the week by Wednesday. Right. We had some travel situations to deal with and stuff like that. So we got everything recorded early. Thank you, guys also for checking out the interview with. With Alex Stapleton, director of the Diddy doc. Right. We appreciate y' all on that. So anyway, Sherrod Moore, was it Wednesday night? Wednesday.

[Ryan Brumley]

Wednesday. It was. It was Wednesday. Yeah. Wednesday evening.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Wednesday in the 4 o' clock hour. We know we have timestamps. It was Wednesday in the 4 o' clock hour that the word got out that he had been fired. And I immediately started hearing some wild stuff, right. People, Immediately. And when I say. I've been hearing. I'm not saying it's like I'm some kind of journalist, but it was enough that it was like, oh, wow, there's. There's stuff going on here, right? So I was getting a call from all the networks all day long to CNN on Thursdays, like, yo, can you come on to talk about this Michigan coach? And I'm like, hey, man, I don't really got that much to talk about, but I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm hearing that a lot might come down the pipe, so I'm a pass on this. And they are like, well, here's our reporting. I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't think y'. All. I'm gonna just not talk about none of this. Yeah, it's five days since I said that, and I Personally feel like now it's finally appropriate.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

To talk about this. Like, I'm so glad that there was nothing that was offering me any pressure to talk about this before because we needed stuff to happen. And the thing that I didn't expect to happen was that he was going to be arraigned in the war. White jumpsuit in a rubber room, Right?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. I mean, he took his arraignment on zoom.

[Bomani Jones]

On zoom.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, yeah. Like it was 2020.

[Bomani Jones]

It's over. Right. Like, after this is done, we will never see his face again. Think about this. He doesn't turn 40 until February. Okay. He got a dream job and his entire career is over before he turned 40 years old. Right. Now, Ryan, I feel this is a time where it's glad, you know, I got you here with me and that we are of somewhat different cultural backgrounds. Right. Because we can just acknowledge that for all parties involved here, the story is made more salacious by the fact that he risked it all behind some young white woman that worked in the office.

[Ryan Brumley]

His assistant. Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes. This is. This is still a hot button issue in America. Right. Like, it don't get people killed necessarily, but it still, still hits people. Right? It's, it's. And that is squarely where we are in this. I don't know how it's going for the white delegation, but I can tell you for much of the black delegation, the fact that this gentleman lost it all behind that particular white woman in that particular station in life is not going over well with the people. I do not know what he will have to do to get sympathy from the folks, but as of right now.

[Ryan Brumley]

He'S got a long way to go.

[Bomani Jones]

He's got a. He's got a. He's got a long. He's got a really, really, really long way to go to get the sympathy. I, I'm not going to tell that very good joke that I have in mind because I just don't need the misinterpretation and the aggregation. But, yes, he has a long way to go to get back because he lost it all behind this. And that. That was before we started hearing that he's that guy. What guy? That guy. Right. The guy that get caught slipping, living in a college town, sleeping with the woman that works in the office. Like, that's not a really uncommon story. It's a bad idea and it's wrong. But there are also a lot of romances that start with similar sorts of stories. Right. Like, I don't think people are that terribly offended by the idea that he had a relationship with somebody and in the office, but the, with the understanding that if you get caught, you know, you gotta deal with whatever comes.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's an industry that leads itself to that situation.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. For a number of reasons, for what it's worth. Right. However, when the people find out that apparently you be hitting them up on the onlyfans and you were exchanging messages with the woman off the only fans during the national championship game, per her telling. Per her telling. Just, just, just throwing that out there. And clearly this man has a problem. Right? He has a problem. And then he went and bust up in this woman's house, allegedly with a knife, allegedly threatening to do harm to himself, allegedly meaning that there's a great chance that he's going to jail behind this. Like not forever jail, but I don't. It seems totally in the cards that he could wind up going to jail for this. I've never seen any. I can't name anything like this. I have, I, I, I have nothing comparable that comes to my mind in terms of what a, like every term seems corny, like fall from grace, whatever it is. Like all of these things just seem absurd to bring up. However, if it makes them feel any better, you're not going to go down alone. Because if any of you have ever dreamed of being the athletic director at the University of Michigan, I think you'll have a chance to put in an application, right? And I believe that you'll have this chance to put in an application because apparently a man that they knew might not have been all the way straight. They fired him for cause and only the athletic director was there with him. Now, I'm going to give Ward Manual the benefit of the doubt here. What if he felt like he knew this person and that he was afraid that things could get worse if there was a lot of people around and he thought that that was the best way to manage the situation? I'm going to just tell you like this. I done seen people walked out of the office after getting fired for under far less combustible circumstances than these. Okay? I've seen people make the argument that they should have had mental health professionals there when he got fired. I'm gonna be honest with you. My imagination is not that good. I never would have thought about that. Right? Like, I just, I mean, it makes sense. I'm not saying I don't, I'm not saying I don't hear you. I'm saying that I personally never would have thought about that. But some Big to wrap him up, you know what I'm saying? If things get a little wild, somebody that, you know. CU Moore ain't small. He played offensive line. You know what I'm saying? They got to be somebody where the strength coach at. Ain't no way in the world I would have done that by myself. No, sir. Could not have been anyway, Ward Manual chose to do that. And then that man ran out of there and ran up in that little white girl's house with a knife. You're not. You're not keeping your job after this. I just want to know this, Ryan. What was that? The Wall Street Journal, where you say, man, I link with that. With the article.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. The 24 hours.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. And. And I just want you here with me because I don't think I'm gonna get this wrong. But just to make sure I, you know, say get this right. This is a very important detail. They had done it previous. They've done. This is not the only investigation, by the way, that they have done a Jerome Moore and his dealings with women in the office on campus or whatever it is, but they had done an investigation about his relationship with this particular woman, and they had been in a relationship from 2022 to 2024. Okay. And they didn't find any evidence. And the biggest reason they didn't have evidence is because she said no, and he said no. And I don't. Look, I don't know exactly like, what powers they have. They can ask people to turn over phones. I'm sure the company issued phones. They can't or whatever, but, you know, I don't know exactly what they could do. But they said their investigation said that there was nothing to it. And then out the blue this week, this woman calls up and decides to confess her sins. That's. That's what the article in the Wall Street Journal said, right? Am I expected to believe that she just decided to do this out of nowhere? I'm not saying that it changes anything about the outcome. Right. Or what there is to say about more. What I am saying is I would like to know why that decision was made. Cause what's that lie? Ryan, just because you paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get you. Because they got. He is got, right? He is as got as got has ever been. That just seems to be an incredible turn of events. Like, who knows what it is that happened in the 911 call, the woman said that Moore had been stalking her, Right? That is what. What she said in the call. Maybe that if that's the case. Right. Maybe that led to her calling and saying, hey, do this thing. That'll fire that dude. I don't. I don't know. I don't understand this. But the fact that this just happened out of nowhere, something tells me we're going to find out a lot. Did you see they going to do an investigation of the whole.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah. Everyone's getting. It's going to be. I think it's going to be more than just the ad.

[Bomani Jones]

I think it'll be more than just the ad. But how thorough investigation do you really think that this is going to be?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, I mean, let's, let's. Let's put it this way. They've been doing a lot of investigations in that building recently.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. So this is one thing though, I think about with Michigan, though, and I'm curious your thoughts on this. So I've seen the, this is a, like, deeply corrupt program sort of arguments, and I get that. But. Right. I feel like these things don't have that much to do with one another.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right. No.

[Bomani Jones]

Like Connor Stallion. So one thing that was interesting with Cotter Stallions, the reason that Moore got suspended behind that is that he deleted text messages before he turned his phone over. But then he came up, came off of those text messages and there was nothing incriminating in. Right. They had that weird thing with the dude that was still in signs. And I'm sorry, it was wrong. But it's so funny that I can't find myself like getting to that place. This right here. I don't know how exactly this ties in with like the idea of a corrupt program. Right. Like, this is weird things happen in offices. Like, I don't.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

So I guess this is what. I don't know how many offices have a circumstance like this and what is the likelihood under those circumstances that somebody tells or that something is actually done. Somebody in a boss like capacity is having a relationship with a subordinate. I feel like it's more likely that people let that slide.

[Ryan Brumley]

Right.

[Bomani Jones]

Than it is that people enforce it. That's not to say that they shouldn't.

[Ryan Brumley]

That's right. But that's what. Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. So I don't. I don't find that to be an example of a uniquely corrupt culture within your. Within the athletic department. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not sure that that's the argument to make here, but that's what it's going to be. Right. That's what they're going to have to overcome. And maybe Michigan is trying to do a truth and reconciliation before the public and they're going to go through all this shit and they're going to tell everybody everything that was wrong. But I didn't think that they were stupid. Right. Call me cynical, but that didn't seem like the smartest thing to like, these are not people of great honor. Okay. So I don't know what investigation is going to be. I don't know what they're actually going to do. You remember when the Dolphins had the bullying situation and they put together the blue ribbon committee, and that committee still ain't never had no meeting.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

Like, not one. Like, but they can't just win the press conference here. Like, that's not going to work. I do think that now that they've said it, they're going to have to come up with something. But consultants generally are people you pay to tell you to do what you already wanted to do. This no matter who the investigation is. This is an example of the consulting business. That's what they are going to have. They're going to run through this and they're going to come back and be like, you know what? It's actually not as bad as we thought. It's crazy, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but we wanted to go back here and make sure everything was okay. Yeah, yeah, we're. We're going to be fine. Yeah. Like, it's actually funny, Ryan. Like, as we talked about this more, I had in my head envisioned because, you know, I don't do it like I did it when I was a youngster in this business, but, you know, I like a little dark humor.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yep.

[Bomani Jones]

You know, and I feel like I have a fairly sophisticated understanding of the edge and where you can stand and talk on these things. And I will say that this case has tested at many points my question of is this funny? Not so much the macro, the big. Is this funny? Because that actually is not. But there's little funnies along or little potential funnies, I think, that I had seen along the way. And in my edgy brain, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get in here. Maybe we gonna. Nah. It started feeling less and less funny. The more the more him sitting there in that rubber room. Yeah, right. I was like, oh, this isn't this. No, no, no, this isn't. No, no, it's not. Like this is. Can you imagine if this were a story about a coach that we were more familiar with?

[Ryan Brumley]

No. Cuz this was. This was a one. A one from Wednesday. Like, yeah, really? Until this Until Patrick Bomb's Tor is easy off.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, but imagine, Imagine if this was. And I'm just throwing a name out, right? Imagine if this was Jimbo Fisher. Right? Like, I'm not even talking about Nick Saban. Right. I'm not even talking about like Dabo or like a super famous coach or Kirby Smart, just somebody that. Oh, I remember him. Right, right. Imagine it's Jimbo Fisher that did this. What? Like, we don't even know who this guy is. And he has America captivated. Right, Right. Like actually, who is the coach that you would be the most shocked?

[Ryan Brumley]

Kirby's up there.

[Bomani Jones]

Huh?

[Ryan Brumley]

Kirby's out there. Did you see the Nick Saban quote going around?

[Bomani Jones]

I did not. What was it?

[Ryan Brumley]

Let me pull this up. I want to make sure I get this right. It's about, you know, Nick Saban's.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, from the book.

[Ryan Brumley]

From the book.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, I do know that quote. If you, if, if you can send the screen cap to me, I will read it word for word because this story has been denied. And so what?

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah, so what? It's funny.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, we, we like it better. And he's basically, he's in the locker room with the dudes at lsu. And honestly, man, this the kind of story that like this, this, like maybe this a man that you let raise your son, you know, help. Help your son become a man. Like, he, he hitting him with some true game, right? And he was talking about dealing with women and you know, these young boys in college. And I do remember that before this excerpt, there's something where he's like, he's, he's using like the P word in his discussion of like talking about dealing with women. He's just, you know, he hitting him with some true game. And he says here that ultimately you never want to sleep with anybody who has less to lose than you do. So ultimately, if I'm ever going to sleep around on Ms. Terry, it's going to be with Hillary fucking Rodham Clinch.

[Ryan Brumley]

Now that's funny.

[Bomani Jones]

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[Ryan Brumley]

Let's get to some more stories from the weekend Philip R. Rivers actually played. They almost beat the Seahawks. He was 8 for 27, 120 yards, touchdown and an interception. But what was your biggest takeaway from seeing the 44 year old returning to the NFL?

[Bomani Jones]

Hey man, as long as he, he didn't die all right. But I watched a couple drives and he is a Larry Holmes all star man. Like he looking flabby as sick like. So the thing about I feel like the guy that comes back at this age is typically either gonna be like a, like in your mind or like when you do the movie like a Kenny Stabler type that you imagine who's just been smoking cigarettes and drinking Miller Miller High life, right? And then they call him, he's like all right, you know I'll come out here and play a game like smoking cigarette on the sideline or something like Jack lalanne Type, right? That's just like, you know, in incredible shape. It always ready for it. Dead ass in the middle is Philip Rivers, who look like he ain't never done a push up in his life, right? Like I work out for playing football by playing football. He always had that funny shot put motion and everything else, but he was always a highly entertaining watch, right? He talked cash out there to people and he got it done, man, you know, only invariably for the Chargers to blow a late lead. And all his efforts were for naught. And what do you know, all he did today was a far less entertaining version of that right there. Because he was not a fun watch. It wasn't a sad watch. It was really insulting to Riley Leonard. Like, I think that's the best way that I could put it. Like it was just kind of confusing why he was even out there, you know? Like, that's, that's probably the best way that I could put it. It was just confusing. But he had them ahead at the end, only for them to give up a field goal and to lose the game. It is. Are we at the point where we ask some questions about the Seahawks? Because this game should not have been this close.

[Ryan Brumley]

It is. I cannot, I could not take my eyes off of it. I, I, with all due respect, I just disagree. I thought really, it was strangely compelling. I couldn't, I understand like if the idea of like secondhand embarrassment, like not being able to watch, but it looked like a mix of like, like someone like, like a backyard football game, right? Telling stories about how they were all staying 20 years.

[Bomani Jones]

I could, I just couldn't get anything out of it because the balls was taking so long to get there. He was throwing them lollipops over there, Jack. Like it was just. And they weren't like snatching them and running them back. Like, I think that was the thing. Like, if he was gonna be bad, I needed to be all the way bad. Like he needed to be on some Peter, man. He ain't, he ain't give us none of that. It was just kind of, it was non descript. It was.

[Ryan Brumley]

He might be back out there.

[Bomani Jones]

That's what I'm saying. Riley Leonard. Nope, don't want to make that joke. But Riley litter should be very upset if they were to, to, to, to do that. I just, I was surprised to see people my age who were saying how they were like root. I guess I don't view myself the same way. Did these other middle aged people view themselves right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Like, I did not find it inspirational.

[Bomani Jones]

I did not find this inspiring at all. I was not rooting for him. I thought, this is stupid.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yes.

[Bomani Jones]

And I'm just, I was. I, I turned in to Adrian from the Rocky movies. Like, you can't win. Yeah. I'm just hoping he doesn't get turned to dust.

[Ryan Brumley]

Oh, man, that's great. All right, not so great. Football news. The Rams beat America's team 41 to 34 in a shootout. We mentioned earlier, Devonte Adams went down with a hamstring injury. Puka Takua left with an injury. Bo, your. Your thoughts watching this game?

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, man. Dropping like flies. Like, I. Actually, it was a game that reminded me why I chose this as the team to root for. Even with them not winning. They go, man, like, they're down so many dudes already going into this game. Right down both safeties. I think this is the most recent development. And that was a. At least for the first three quarters, it wasn't as great at the end. This was an incredible game to watch. Right. Like, it was highly entertaining. Jared Goff played really, really well. But, you know, looks like the Lions are not going to make playoffs this year. And you know what? Like I said, it's cool. Me and Nick, I'm just going to his house during the playoffs and we just going to be over there hating. We just going to be hating for a month. That's all we're going to be doing. Right? But hey, man, it's dropping like fly season. Like, I mean, you just look around, everywhere you go, man, everybody's dropping like flies. There's going to be a lot of this. It's just who can hang, who can persevere. But that's where we are, all right.

[Ryan Brumley]

Going to college football. Now. Kalyn DeBoer says he is not leaving Alabama. He said in the statement, we have an incredible opportunity in front of us. So my sole focus is on Alabama football and our preparations to play Oklahoma. I have not spoken, have no interest with speaking with anyone else about any other job. I'm fully committed to this program and look forward to continuing as the head coach of the University of Alabama. Bo, were you surprised?

[Bomani Jones]

I thought that that was a very strong strident while simultaneously legally non binding statement.

[Ryan Brumley]

Sounds like he's not negotiating for an extension.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah, yeah, like that. Those reports are coming out about it. I just want to see how he feels after this game against Oklahoma. Said right. Which could go either way. It's going to be blazing hot for you if you don't. Now, I will say this also something that I think is Interesting about the playoff that isn't quite discussed because I've seen people make the argument because Alabama lost four games last year, I want to say, and they have lost three games so far this year. That means in all likelihood they are going to lose four games this year.

[Ryan Brumley]

Almost certainly, yes.

[Bomani Jones]

One thing this playoff does is add to the number of good teams assured to end their season with a loss. And nothing makes your season feel worse than Lou than ending it with a loss. Right. That's. That's a thing. And that's kind of what's happening here. Like if they were just going to the Capital One bowl and got to square up against Wisconsin. Well, not Wisconsin this year, but, you know, somebody like that had come out of there with a dub. I think this might have gone over a little different. He better win this game against Oklahoma, basically, is the thing that I'm saying right now. Right. Again, the monster has not been revved back up. But we looked at that contract, ryan. It's like 70 something million dollars to buy him out. It's like 3 if he leaves.

[Ryan Brumley]

So it's, it's something impossible.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. Like if he leaves on his own, it's something like $4 million. Like I, and I respect Alabama on that front. Like, like, we ain't going to keep you here. Except here they are apparently negotiating this extension because they know that job. They, they know they got a crazy job. And if I'm Deborah, I guess the problem right now at Michigan is that they in the midst of chaos. But I would definitely listen to what they had to say.

[Ryan Brumley]

Absolutely. All right. And moving to the NBA semifinals of the NBA cup, the spurs upset the Oklahoma City Thunder. When Biamma made his return to action, he had some words for SGA after the game. Let's take a listen. I'm just glad to be part of.

[Bomani Jones]

Something that's growing to be so beautiful.

[Ryan Brumley]

And so pure and ethical basketball, you know.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay. Did you watch this game?

[Ryan Brumley]

I saw clips. I did not see the game.

[Bomani Jones]

Okay. Me and my brother watched this game. Victor Wembanyama played seven minutes in the first half. His plus minus was plus 20. It was unreal watching the one man impact that he had on this game.

[Ryan Brumley]

Against the overwhelmingly best team in the NBA.

[Bomani Jones]

Overwhelmingly best team in the NBA. He hates them. Okay.

[Ryan Brumley]

He hates them and he hates Chet.

[Bomani Jones]

He hates Chet, number one. Right. Like Chet's missing free throws. He's clapping at the, you know, he hates them. But that clip right there about ethical basketball, that's him talking about the Thunder and how the Thunder be cheating right now. The Thunder have a very interesting approach when playing against him, which is he's 7ft 5 and they just try to take his rock every time he dribbles, right. As soon as he dribbles, Caruso's going for it. I would not be surprised to find out that the Thunder practiced the peanut punch in practice because they just. They're just going for the ball. They go for the ball like you do when you're too young to be playing basketball against the age level of people that's out there. And that's the only hope you have is to try to take the ball like that's what they're doing. But he doesn't like them. And it's so great because with him, maybe they could challenge the Thunder. Like the Thunder are probably going. Thunder, I think, are going to win 70 games this year. There's a good chance they could break the wins record. There are teams that could challenge them. Denver, I think, can give them a challenge. We're going to see what Houston ultimately is. But this one right here is the rivalry, right? And what they did. And I'd say this also about Knicks magic, but it's very important. That NBA cup felt like something like in watching that game, it felt like a big game. I don't know if that's tied to the event or is simply tied to the way that these teams feel about each other, but these teams feel away about each other. And it starts with the fact. I was talking about bad Jason about this. He made a great point. He was like, can you imagine how unserious Victor believes that Chad is?

[Ryan Brumley]

I can only. I can only imagine, right?

[Bomani Jones]

Like. Like Chad out here on his B rad. Victor goes to hang out with the Shaolin Monks, like, and y' all tried to say he was better than me. Oh, my goodness. They gonna be. It's gonna be like this for a long time with these teams. I love it.

[Ryan Brumley]

All right, Bo, voicemails. A lot of good ones. Here's our first.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, Bo. This is Tony from Las Vegas. Longtime listener, first time caller. Know what you do. So I've been listening to you guys long enough to know the original story of Laurence Fishburne. So leads me to a question, because it kind of reminds me of your disdain you have for Elaine Kiffin. So the question I have is, who do you dislike more? Laurence Fishburne, Lane Kiffin, Stringer Bell or the New Orleans Saints? Thanks for your time, Bo. Keep doing what you're doing.

[Bomani Jones]

You know the best part about Stringer Bell and not being a real person is. I don't have to respect his humanity. That allows me to lean all the way in on, like. You know what, though? Once you put Lane Kiffin in this, this is a little bit of a tougher call. Like, my, you know, my issue with Lawrence Fishburne, I don't know if he a bad person necessarily. I just felt like, for those of you who don't know, I was working a press junket once in the year of our Lord 2003 at the. I believe it was the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. And. And the way a press junkie works is they don't. They do it two different ways off. Oh, no. Either way, you put a bunch of reporters in one room or at one table, like six or seven. It was like, for a movie cast, you rotate the cast around to the table. So it's like a bunch of mini press conferences. And this allows you to, you know, get more work done going around the room. And so I was there to do an interview with somebody else, and they sat Laurence Fishburne down at the table. And so I wasn't really paying no attention to him. And he tried to call me out and make me ask him a question, and I did. It was a good question, too. I don't remember what it was. And that jerk was just like, no. And just tried to play me in front of all these people. It was white people, too. Like, I just didn't really believe that that was appropriate behavior coming for him. But, you know, the world got him back, right? But that was just one day. You know what I mean? Like, that's. You know, I can't say that I don't approve of what he stands for. Like, I don't approve of what string of bell stands for or what length. Strangle. Bell is the answer. Strangle. Feel like lane, Kiff and the string of bell got a lot in common, though.

[Ryan Brumley]

It's gonna be an interesting year. All right, here's our next one.

[Voicemail Callers]

What's up? Oh, my. This cordae from the bay. It's a follow up to the voicemail. You play? No, I'm not adopted. This was my grandpa's idea. I know you from Houston, Texas. My grandpa's from Dallas, Texas. I don't know if that got anything to do with it, but also, my grandpa looks like James Brown, except he's six' two and truck driver. Yeah, you got a perm. So. So after we. So it was his idea all of a sudden start going to Yosemite. And we hadn't went in years. So he decided, oh, let's go. When y' all are. Y' all. All. Y' all all are 18. And that's when we missed the bear. Stuff like that. That was the last time my family went. Because my mom was like, I ain't dealing with this stress again. But my dumb self, I don't know, with the next year with some non black people and woke up one morning to the sound of bear again. But I was in my tent and I was with some non black people. And it was like, there, let's get out. Like, no, wait. Waited like two minutes since. Okay, now I was like, no, let's wait again. I was like, cuz, let's just wait. Precautionary. Then we eventually got out of our tent. And when we got out of our tent, someone yelled, hey, good thing y' all didn't get out of your tent. Cause the bear was right in front of your tent. And that was the last time I went to Yosemite as Corday from the bay.

[Bomani Jones]

Yeah. So those of you Corday from the bay last week told us a story about how he was fortunate. He went to take a walk, shall we say? And while he was gone, the bear had come and they was at Yosemite. And I was trying to figure out what was going on with these black people at Yosemite. And he gave the answer, and then he just said that he went with some non black people to Yosemite. And he said, what happened? And I will just tell you. Tying back to a conversation we were having a little bit earlier. If my spidey senses are correct, he's talking about he was out there in the woods with these nine white people. If the bear had ate him, they'd have put him in one of them memes that I've been seeing going around with Sherrod, Sherrone Moore. Who else? Who else? They put Mel Tucker in the picture. Who else they have in there? But if you got. If you got ate by a bear cause you was in the woods with some non white people, I get the feeling you'd have been on the same list.

[Ryan Brumley]

All right, here's our last one.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, Bo. First time, long time. From the wild to northern Michigan. I met my wife in the wilderness of northern New Mexico at the world's large skew camp in Cimarron, New Mexico. And so I was not walking with my cousin cousins, but I was walking with my future wife into the woods. And we were doing things that young people do when they get away from it, you know, nature taking its course. And you know, bears are known for two things. One is, you know, terrible eyesight and an excellent sense of smell. So I can just imagine what this bear saw on the ground, writhing and also smelling probably something like it. And I looked up and I saw this big old bull, the bear come walking up towards us. And I got right up, had to protect my lady, threw my overalls on and I started yelling and screaming and hey, bear, get out of here. As is the custom when you take see a bear such as that in your area and I'm waving my hands and that old boy just kind of stopped and made a different direction. He did not change pace. He was not scared. He didn't care about me at all, but he knew that he needed to just keep walking. And I was a lucky man that day, that's for sure. Thank you.

[Bomani Jones]

Ryan. The last thing I expected was that voice. And everything kept getting even more and more unexpected. Like it built to such an amazing crescendo.

[Ryan Brumley]

He just threw in, went to the world's largest youth camp as an aside.

[Bomani Jones]

Yes, yes, yes, he did. He did. And also, I don't think he knows what kind of walk. Hey, shout out to you big baby.

[Ryan Brumley]

You sound like he was having a great time.

[Bomani Jones]

No, you were making it. You was making it happen. But I shout out to you also for throwing all your balls. That would.

[Ryan Brumley]

He said extremely Northern Michigan. I'm assuming that means the upper peninsula. And I don't know if you know about that place.

[Bomani Jones]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I look it is. That is one of those I need to look up like the how that works.

[Ryan Brumley]

Yeah.

[Bomani Jones]

But wow, that was an amazing story. I appreciate that, man. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four times a week. Ryan Brumley, handle things behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit our voicemail line 323-59-67767. Remember, follow the right time. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And we'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.