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Spencer Hall on Cam Newton at Auburn: The Greatest College Football season of all time | 01.13
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Foreign.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time A Wave original. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Time Machine Tuesday. Spencer hall joins us from Channel 6. What is going on, my man?
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You ready to talk about. You ready to talk about something big, Something fast? You ready to talk about something that you didn't have to be smart in order to work with? I would love to talk about Cam Newton today if you would like to.
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We're going to do that. Before we do, I have to say this is the second time I've seen Spencer's haircut as Spencer and I hung out for a moment in Atlanta. And I love how Spencer maintains his fundamental truth while also hugging up on just enough Atlanta.
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Just listen. This. This I didn't ask for. Do you realize this just happens? They just, this is how they do it. If you get your hair cut inside the perimeter, they're like, okay, starting here. Everything else, it's optional. But you know, they're gonna, they're gonna give you a little tight on the side, little long on top.
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Now, have you gone all the way to going to the black people barbershop yet or have the white dudes just got on board?
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I have done that when my regular guy, who I am in a committed relationship with a barber and have been for about six years. But before, before that, hit or miss, hit or miss all the time. And one of those hits was going to a black barber. And do you know what it looked like? This. It's, that's it. Same haircut. They'll just give you the same cut. No flinching, no nothing. Just go. Honestly, the reason I didn't go back is because I was like, am I invading a space because everybody wants his utility right once it's like, shit, I need my haircut. And then twice you go, I don't know. Is this, am I, am I taking up space in a place where I shouldn't? Right?
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No, no, no. Not only you, Welcome. I also make this point that if you are a white person willing to go to a black barbershop, just throwing it out there, you are not the most conservative person in the room. You may not realize that until after a while, but if you are willing to set foot, you are not the most conservative person in the room.
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I think that is 100% true. I will also state this. I am now, I live near a very conservative barbershop that I do not patronize. And occasionally I will see a person of color coming out of there. And I'm just, every time I see it, I go, I want that story. I want to know who you're going to and how this happened.
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Well, the real question is did they come out with or without a haircut? Because they good to be like, well, we don't cut that grade. That's they line. Well, we don't know what to do with that.
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Oh, these are. No, these are paying customers. These are people who are using. So I want to know the story. I want to know what happened. I do. I do.
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But Story of all stories this week on Time Machine Tuesday, we do wish to Talk about the 2010 college football season, which ends 15 years ago now because, you know, these things wrap over and get you into 2011. Our first time Machine Tuesday, we talked about the Vince Young game at Rose bowl five years later. And you may think that Vince Young is the greatest college football quarterback of all time. There's an argument for it.
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Okay?
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But we fast forward five years and if you don't think Cam Newton was the best college football quarterback of all time, and I mean just quarterback, because I think this is important to note. There's a difference between a player and a career. Right. Like I have been watching on the Internet where there has been a discussion about whether or not Fred Taylor is a pro football hall of Famer.
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Where do you land on that, by the way?
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This is where I land is the distinction is very important. I believe that Fred Taylor was a Hall of Fame talent and hall of Fame player who did not have a Hall of Fame career. Right?
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Right.
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You might make an argument that other quarterbacks have had better careers than Cam Newton. Tim Tebow, who's a big part of this story that we'll get back to later, is somebody that fits such an example, Tommy Frazier, another guy that we may put in and fits under this example. However, for my money, the greatest college football season any individual has ever had is Cam Newton 2010. Part of the intrigue of that season, and I don't even think we fully understood it at the beginning of that year, but how you get to 2010 from Cam Newton, starting it at Westlake High School, getting to Florida in 2007, this is a wild story when you stop and think about this. Okay, so Cam is a five star recruit quarterback coming out of Atlanta. He goes to Florida now. Urban Meyer is. I'm getting a quarterback every year, dog. The best one that I possibly can. Right? And then they'll duke it out. We'll figure out who the starter is going to be and if you want to leave, okay, generally speaking, we'll help you do that. All right, 2006, they got Tim Tebow in. Tim Tebow was the backup quarterback and short yardage fullback basically on a national championship team in 2006, 2007, he's a starting quarterback. Cam is a true freshman. Now, people will tell you that Tim Tebow was better than Cam Newton for the whole stretch of the time at Florida. You just. If you say so, buddy, I got other people. People on the Cam side will tell you otherwise. Right? There's also like little weird details. I believe they were roommates when they first got there. And so that becomes, you know, that's the weird college football coach thing to do. Make Major Applewhite and Chris Sims be roommates. Right. Make Tim Tebow and Cam Newton be roommates. Oh, okay. Wow. I mean, I can't imagine any reason there'd ever be any tension between those guys under those circumstances. No, no, never. But this thing happened in 2007. It's very simple. Tim T. Boat won the Heisman Trophy and put up a stat line that hadn't been seen, which was 20 touchdown passes and 20 rushing touchdowns. @ this point, Gainesville, Florida belongs to him. It was already kind of sort of his in 2006 as it stood, but it was his job at that point for however long he wanted to have it. All right, next season is 2008, Florida again wins a national championship. But also of note, and you correct me anywhere, I may be getting some of these small details wrong, but John Brantley, who was a legacy recruit of sorts, who had been a five star recruit, finished as a four star recruit. Originally committed to Texas. He went to Florida because again, Urban Myers getting a quarterback every year, he possibly can get one. Tebow is the starter, Newton is the backup. John Brantley's below him. And Cam, you know, got caught with a stolen laptop or there was a stolen laptop found near him with reason to believe that he has stolen it. I believe the picture had property of Cam Newton whited.
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Out. In white.
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Out. Yeah, in white out on it because it's. I mean, he might as well have licked it like it was a muffin and just said that this now belongs to me. Okay. Cam also has an ankle injury for much of that year. The key detail here, what I'm going for is by the time that year was over, John Brantley was above camp. Who you've never heard of, John Brantley was ahead of Cam Newton on the depth chart. And it was made pretty clear that in 2009, John Brantley is going to be the starting quarterback here. There was also some cheating on test allegations. Lot of this.
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Stuff. Right.
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Right. 2009, John Brantley is going to be the starting quarterback at Florida. And you, Cam Newton, need to find somewhere else to go. And there was a great concerted effort to find a place for him to go as far from the SEC as humanly possible because nobody wanted that big coming.
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Back. His potential was not unquestioned. And the reasons for John Brantley rising above him on the depth chart were, if I recall correctly, and I think I do, very stupid. Urban Meyer was terrified, I believe, of not recruiting a legacy. That was what I. What Urban Meyer said at the time, that he was very worried about messing up that kind of legacy pick because Brantley's father was a quarterback at Florida, and Brantley's well respected in the Florida community. And Urban Meyer has said that that was something he cared about. I would also tell you this. Does that seem plausible or is it more likely the kind of thing you would say if you had absolutely mismanaged the greatest quarterback season provider in history? Yes. I didn't say greatest quarterback in history. Let's not put our foot in that bucket. Yes. What greatest single season in terms of impact. You messed that up. Yes, he did. He messed that up. That's it. Like, that's not even. That's. That's not even a risky take. That's a fact. You. You could have had that. That could have been the next thing. And instead what you got helped destroy that.
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Dynasty.
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Yeah. So I would probably be looking for other more, you know, I'd be looking for some rationale. I'd be at the rationale shop, looking around and shopping. So that's the kind of thing I think you say when you know that you've screwed up. And by the way, now compare that to what you said next, which is now we need this gentleman as far away from the SEC as.
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Possible. Why?
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Why? I'm the goose. I'm the goose in the meme, just barking like why? Why do you need him far away? Yeah. For the same reason you need clearance between you and a nuke. Yes. Right. When it goes off, it's going to blow up everything around it. Which it.
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Did. Right. Like they didn't. He wasn't gonna go to Hines Community College in Mississippi. Right. Like any of those. No, no, no, no, no. So Cam goes to Blinn College in Brenham, Texas, a school with which I'm very familiar.
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With. Kills.
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It. Kills.
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It. Kills it, kills it. It's like.
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Great. It makes no the idea. First of all, Blinn is one of those schools that just got good at a bunch of stuff, right? Like oh, didn't have the ACT score to get into Texas. Texas A and M, the University of Houston come down here. Oh, you're really nationally reputed track program here. Michael Bishop, legendary Kansas State quarterback, he did his time at Blyn. Right. Like it, like this was, this was the place that you went. And so Cam goes there. He doesn't want to be there. Everybody understands I'm here for a good time, not a long time. And it goes pretty much exactly as you would expect for it to go. When you drop Cam Newton off, by the way, Cam Newton who is now in year three of eligibility. So this isn't like 18 year old Cam Newton. This is 20 going on 21 year old Cam Newton going to a junior college, a place where he's only supposed to be at like two year guys. He's in year three and he's playing against those.
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Dudes. Come on, bro, go look at photos of Cam playing at Blinn. There are a few and they look a lot like Jonathan Ogden. That was exactly what I was going to say. Yeah. Playing against all of those like private school boys in D.C. and you see him on the field and he looks like a dad and then it looks like there's a toddler and the toddler is a normal sized person. That's what Cam Newton looks like on the field at.
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Blynn. Yeah, it was nuts. It was nuts. And so like I say, it goes as expected. And again, my understanding has always been people were very concerned about him going way far.
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Away.
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Right. Anyway, he's the number one JUCO recruit in America and everybody named Mama is trying to get their hands on him and to recruit. I know Bob Stoops made an offer at Oklahoma for what? For what mattered to me at that time. Thank God that never came to be Lane Kiffin, who, when he got to Tennessee, told Taj Boyd, no, your scholarship offer is no good here. I've got Matt Sims on deck, right? He made an offer for Cam Newton. Like, this is Lane Kiffin before Jalen Hurtson, before Blake Sims broadened his outlook on how to play football.
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Right?
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Yeah. This is Lane Kiffin looking for standard drop back quarterback. Nope. He was like, yo, let me get a piece of this. Mississippi State, they made the hard play for Cam Newton. He wound up going to Auburn. Now, I talked to people on the Cam side of things around the time this was going on, and the point they made was you got to remember Auburn's like an hour and a half from southwest Atlanta. He spent a lot of time at different points going up there for the weekend, hanging out. Like if there were logical reasons that he would wind up going to Auburn. That is still the worst nightmare.
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That Urban Meyer could have ever.
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Had. I guess it only could have been worse if you went to Georgia, but Georgia wouldn't get a quarterback that looked like.
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That. That's a whole other episode we should. Yes, it is also, by the way, another Georgia episode we should do is we should do, oh, yeah, they're only going to start a white quarterback at Georgia and somebody's going to go, DJ Shockley and I'll go true. Stetson Bennett, yes. Is a confounder.
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There. Stetson Biddit started war games that DJ Shively did. That's, that's the, that's the.
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Point. Stetson Bennett, if you watched him play, you would go, huh? Huh. Interesting. Not the style I expected to see out of Stetson Bennett, the fourth from.
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Georgia. Stetson bitten another juco all star of the history of the Southeast. So much going on with that. But Cam winds up back. He's at Auburn. Gus Malzahn is the offensive coordina who himself has had this fascinating journey. And it's funny because remember the problem he had at Arkansas was everybody wanted Mitch Mustaine to air it out. And I think Houston Nuggets a bad rap for this, for saying, I got three NFL running backs back here, baby. We're going to give them the ball a lot. But it, it cost Malzan. I mean, he left basically. He went to Tulsa, became the offensive coordinator, and then he winds up at Auburn. Their head coach is Gene Chisik, and we'll talk about that guy in a little bit later, as this all goes. What you need to understand is that Auburn football team, and we didn't realize it at the time, was Cam Newton, Nick Fairley. That's.
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It. And guys. Some guys. Introducing.
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Guys. For all the talk of everything about the sec, and generally speaking, the SEC possesses a depth, that talent that you're not going to find other places. SEC schools, particularly the top half of the sec. And we would say that Auburn is a top half of the SEC school, right? They've got guys, they're going to send a bunch of dudes to the NFL. What we did not know at the beginning of that year was that team would send two guys at least to the draft. Maybe some other guys got in some practice squad action, some special teams, little situation. They had two guys get drafted off that whole team. This story is going to end with them winning a national championship with two guys who got drafted. Not just two guys who got drafted in 2011. Two guys off the whole goddamn team heard their names called by an NFL.
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Employee. Yeah, Auburn fans, sit down. You can't hear this question. Everyone else come forward or look at your screen. If you're watching YouTube, look into my eyes. Tell me honestly, do you remember the name of a wide receiver on that offense? Wide receiver. Didn't say tight end. I'm even going to take him out of it. Okay. You don't remember a name of a wide receiver on that.
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Team? I only remember. I only remember.
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One. Who do you.
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Remember? And it's only because his name was somewhat distinct. I believe it was Ontario.
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McCallop. He was a running back. Ontario.
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McCaleb. Oh, sorry, my.
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Bad. But yeah, so we're all in the same boat. Because if you. Because if you had asked me, if you had asked me at 8:45 this morning when I was extensively reviewing things in my car for this show, I would not have remembered the name of a wide receiver. Darvin Ham, or I'm sorry, Darvin Adams. Not Darvin. Darvin Adams. And you know, guys like Terrell Zachary, they didn't go to the league.
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But I don't think I ever knew Darvin Adams name. And now that I'm looking at it, they do have a wide receiver whose name I remember, but not from playing wide receiver. Wasn't Cody Burns a.
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Quarterback? Became a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Additionally, Philip Lutzenkirchen, do not forget Lutzy. Lutzy rip. He's no longer with us, but Philip Lutzenkirchen was their big red zone threat. The fact that we're having this Conversation means that the average college football fan watching this is like, oh yeah, no idea. That team was Cam and a dude who I remember for rolling over an Oregon defender. That's it. Like you might remember Michael Dyer.
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Right. They ain't like offensive line. This is the thing we talk about. The SEC wins at the line of scrimmage. They didn't even really have those guys. This was one dude. And understand what happened with Cam was not immediately you jump into the season and. And all hell breaks loose. It wasn't that. Right. Like this was. When you look at how they started that season, I think the first game, you know, they wouldn't play Arkansas State. Okay. Like we, we understand that one. I remember it was like a, a real close game against Mississippi State. They played an overtime game against Clemson. And this is at the beginning of the dabo era, which was H, boy, that was a hoot. But they were just kind of like they putting up decent numbers. But they weren't like they scored 17 points against Mississippi State. They scored 27 points in overtime against Clemson. I did put up 35 against a pretty decent South Carolina team, but we didn't know what this was. This kept going and their defense was not good. Right. They were giving up a lot of yards. They played a game against Arkansas.
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That was a, A basketball.
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Game. It was a basketball game. It was an incredible game to watch on television. And as I recall, I feel like it was right around like the time change. So the game ended and it was dark and it was like 65 to.
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43. That is.
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Correct. And it was just be up and down the field, up and down the field, up and down the field. And again, we are talking about a guy with no NFL linemen, no NFL players to throw the ball to. And he scored 65.
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Points. Yeah. By the way, an offensive line known more for breaking knees than anything else. Yes. Like if you want to know, if you want to know, like I'm going to just be very real here. What did the rest of those guys on that Auburn team do on defense and offense? Helmet to helmet contact and a lot of roll ups and chop blocks. Like they were very good at being. And I say this complimentary, like hashtag complimentary. That's a dirty team. Like you did not have fun playing them. All of those guys on the ground. Cam shook a few of them loose. To be fair, a lot of them are lying on the ground because they go, this is pre nil. And my ACL are the letters I care about right now. So I'm Going to make a business decision. I'm going to lie down before this dude chop blocks.
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Me. Yeah. And look, that Arkansas team was.
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Good.
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Yeah. Like, I mean, that is the. If you know, the infamous Bobby Petrino picture with the Sugar bowl hat. If I'm not mistaken, this is the team that went to the Sugar bowl right in that game, by the way, Camp Newton, 10 for 14 for 140 yards and one touchdown, 25 for 188 on the ground for three touchdowns. Because it was the Bel Air Academy offense, like the teams combined. Is it. The SEC wanted SEC defense. There's a thousand yards, a total offense. But it was also, if I recall, the CBS game of that week. And that was the game where everybody saw what Cam Newton was. The power of national television still matters. Johnny Manziel owes everything to beating Alabama on national television in the CBS game in 2012, the week after Alabama played LSU. That's what we had here. It was the national TV window and one man looked like nothing we had ever seen.
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Before. So I'm going to take you to the 23rd, October 23rd, 2010, because at this point, he's getting national renown, sort of getting prominent, sort of getting the notion of, okay, this is a person that you should watch and you should, you know, you should at least stop by for a quarter or two if you're gonna watch a college football game. And I got a friend who have some tickets, so, you know, I'm gonna drive down to Auburn. They haven't been to game in Auburn a while. They're gonna be play lsu. That's a good.
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Time.
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Yes. So I end up in the corner of the end zone for this game against lsu. And there is a run. They do beat lsu and they do it on the back of one Cam Newton touchdown run, which has T shirts and posters you can.
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Buy. Ryan was.
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There. Ryan was.
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There. Right, right, right, right. Ryan was the LSU student. And Ryan, I believe, was in the stadium at the.
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Game. He might have been next to me and the LSU mom I was next to, who was a very nice lady who, whenever Auburn had the ball, would say things like, hit him in the knees. Like, I got to tell you, from the first quarter on, once Cam started getting loose against them, it was kill him. Kill that man. Like, that's the only. There's a great compliment that I have where to a player when I don't know what to do with them, where I'm like, okay, you should probably just hit him with a car. Just drive a car onto the field and hit them. And that's the only way that you're going to get them out of the game. And on that 49 yard run, what you need to know is that the sun is going down. It is going down and is shining at that point directly onto the field. So if you're watching Cam take this run, he's kind of running into the sun, so. So you can't really see where he is. But he's so big. You know, typically, you lose people in the sun. And this is what I remember. I remember the screams of LSU fans behind me. And the kind of screams were like, if you watch somebody jump off a building, the kind of like, ah, I can't do anything right. The futility and horror of not being able to stop what you're seeing, that's what's happening behind me. But if you look forward, Cam is so big that he's actually making his own shadow. Like, typically, it's so bright, you can't even see through it, right? You just kind of see motion. Cam is so goddamn big when he's running that occasionally you just see this, like, enormous silhouette of somebody. And I remember seeing that, and I remember seeing Patrick Peterson just kind of go across it, like, eclipsed. Like, he just missed him. Like, I don't know how it happened. There are NFL draft picks on that LSU defense. A good LSU defense with great talent. I think we hear a lot out of lsu, right? Oh, yeah. Good defense, great talent. Later went on to have hall of Fame careers. How were they in college? They're fine. They're good. That defense. And watching Cam take this run, I don't know if people can understand. It's the longest play I've ever watched in person. It took forever. It's like 13.
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Seconds. Peterson, for my money, he's the best athlete I have ever seen. Play corner, right? Just like. Like, what does it turn.
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In?
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Speed? Power? Is that what they talk about? Like a guy that size, at the size that he was in in as a junior in college, it was unreal. And Cam Newton is running away from him in this game, just running away. And look, they won that game 24:17. And it's worth noting when you look at the stats, like I'm looking at the game log now, There was only. There were no games or no one game. The national championship game is the only time that Cam threw more than 30 passes. Only one other game, he threw more than 25. This was high school, right? Like, Guz Malon is a legendary high school coach who was only four years removed or five years removed from coaching high school spring. You get your biggest, best player, you make him the quarterback, and then we just figure everything out from there. And according to that primitive formula, they were running through the SEC. And by the way, that game, 10 for 16 for 86 yards, which is not really that impressive, but the 28 for 217 and two touchdowns and.
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The four, the 40, the 49 yard run was all I needed to see to know that I had been wrong on everything. I thought Cam, coming out of Florida was a dude who was a bruising runner, but we didn't particularly. We didn't get to see his elusiveness very.
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Much.
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Right? We didn't get to see that. Like, his biggest play at Florida is in 2007 in a 59, 20 blowout of Tennessee. He comes in in relief and destroys a man, puts his helmet in the dude's chest and blows him up at the goal line for a td. I mean, you could hear the swamp when it happened. He hits him in the, like, hits him right in the sternum. And you just hear everyone in the swamp at once go, ooh. Like, I've heard that twice. Lawrence Wright when he hit Joey Kent in 95, and Cam Newton when he speared this dude right in the chest at the goal line. Like, it was an incredible moment. But he threw high. He never got the chance. Because what do you do when you're amped up and you're young as a quarterback? You're typically going to miss.
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High. So I thought back foot all the time.
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Right? You're throwing off your back foot, you see a guy open and you go, oh. And typically when that happens, the ball's going to go high. Well, we didn't get to see that. And then you get to see at Auburn, not only is he huge, he's elusive. He's elusive in ways. He's elusive in that he can run over you or he could simply juke you. He could run around you, or halfway through that LSU run, he just hits the gas. Yeah, he hits the gas. And Patrick Peterson, one of the both fastest and strongest athletes I have seen is behind him. Just. Just gone. And. And that, that at the moment where I was like, I was wrong about everything, I was like, like, that is. Cam Newton is a player who really, like, in terms of just watching him and listening to that story, everything I thought was wrong, everything I thought about college football was generally wrong. And I had to kind of change the way that I viewed everything about the sport simply because of the example he set on and off the field in terms of how he interacted with the machine, the app.
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Propose.
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Yeah. We are now here. It's. We've skipped fame and gone straight to.
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Infamy. Yeah. And this is where. This is where everything was wrong. Everything that you assumed about the situation was wrong. And we begin to find that out in rapid succession. First of all, the idea that the number two team in the nation could lose the player who's responsible for them being number two simply wasn't tolerable. Wasn't tolerable. Like, it just, like, for the sec, for.
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Anyone. Yeah. They were like, the one thing about the SEC is they ain't telling. They ain't giving.
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Up. No. And in addition to that, the idea that you could be in a situation where you heard the number $180,000, that number is very important. Because I think that is a pivotal moment, like, for me and for anyone watching the sport. When you go, okay. Like, at that point, my thinking is like, okay, well, we have this stupid system, but maybe rules, Maybe rules should exist. Maybe there should be some rules. Maybe they might be silly, but we should all abide by them. And then you find out that the price for CAM Newton was $180,000. I will tell you, at the time, $180,000 sounded ridiculous, sounded absurd. It sounded like, I just saw what that guy did against LSU. That would be worth it at 180 grand. It seems doubly absurd to me now that I know the price.
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For.
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I don't know, Miami quarterback Carson Beck. You tell me you pay Carson Beck $3 million or whatever. What would I pay, Cam 10 times that? 180 grand? Bo, @ the time, you and I knew people who made that money at the time, we might have been making that much money. That's an amount of money you can understand. Yes, Right. Even if you've never made 180 grand a year in your life, you know people who did, and you're like, they're dumb or they're not as talented, or they can't do half of this shit that I do, much less what an athlete like cam does. 180k, that's a car you can envision. You might not own it, Right? But you go, oh, okay, 180K. Think about the kind of house 180K bought in 2010. Yes, it's fine. There are nicer, right? There are nicer. 180k is not a formidable sum in someone's retirement account. It is a tangible amount of money. And I think at that point that has to hit everyone's brain sideways. I know it hit mine, because you go, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You should probably pay in 180k. It didn't just seem logical, it seemed reasonable and just.
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Yeah, right. Well, I don't think it fully landed with me. And I would put a pin at the 180k until after a couple.
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Of.
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Weeks. Right. And I'll tell you about a conversation I had with a buddy of mine in line with this, because I want to. One thing that was interesting in the storyline of this is so I believe it was a black man named Kenny Rogers was the guy that Mississippi State was using as the. As the go.
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Between. Yeah. Him and John Bond is.
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Also a collection of go between characters. And Cam's daddy, who was a preacher, and meeting in these hotel rooms, and Dan Mullen, who had seen with his own eyes what this was because he was the offensive coordinator at Florida before he got the job at Mississippi State. And so he really, really, really wanted to get Cam. The thing my understanding was that he didn't quite realize is the Cammy really fuck with him like that. Right. But he knew better than.
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Anybody.
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Else. Yeah. What. What that was. And he was at Mississippi State. Right. This don't. This don't happen over there very often. So he's like, okay, we're going to make this happen. The allegation is they get together in this hotel room. I want to say it's like the day of the Egg bowl or something like that in 2009. And somebody flat out asked for the money directly in front of Mullen. And Mullen says, whoa, I gotta go. I cannot be here for this portion of the discussion. He should have stayed. He should have heard every fucking word they had to say. But anyway, he gets up, he leaves. This is what the allegation is. It's all swirling, and it's at a time where we used to lose our minds over 3, 4, $5,000. This was the biggest number anybody had ever heard. Okay? And Alabama, which has this interesting quirk, at least did at that time in its schedule where they had two rivalry games and they would play them basically back to back in the SEC schedule. One was Georgia, one was Alabama, one would be home, one would be road. This year, it was Georgia at home. And again, it's the SEC game window. It's how is this going to go? And I will never forget that dude walked out of that tunnel like the biggest rock star that existed. Like, the full understanding. This wasn't the road, so he wasn't coming out. And everybody's here to hate me. No, this is the sec, and you're mired in scandal and you're at home. Everybody's here to love you. They hate us because they ain't us. That is what this is. And he bounded from the tunnel and went in front of the student section. And I was like, oh, they're about to score a gazillion points and they.
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Score 49. And did it play in.
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Single.
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Wing? Yes. Like, again, the line from Jamel Holloway to Cam Newton schematically is not that far. It really is not. Like, it is a very simple offense. It doesn't have a triple option. But there are options built into every play, right? And when those don't work, the next call is Cam. And that was enough to beat anyone. It was enough to Beat Georgia, it was enough to beat Alabama on their.
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Own.
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Field. It. It's amazing how simple it was. There's also this, and it's incredible. It's a moment when I think we understand the value of the player as much as we ever have. Because. Because there was a time and I don't think this is now. Like, if you look at the College Football Playoff now, people are savvy enough that we're like, okay, we can pay everybody. So now we can start constructing a roster and you can have different strategies on how to do that. Right? Now if you look at the teams that are currently in the playoff and you know by the time this drops, there will be fewer of them. We have different philosophies on how we invest our money. You know, we have 100 points, right? Where do you put those character points? Miami is the closest to the older model where they're like, we got three talented, four talented guys, give them whatever they want and point them as close to the enemy as possible right now, what if there was a team that had two talented guys and one of them was about 70 to 80% of that talent? Yeah. Over invest. I've never seen a team more invested in a single player. Single player like Vince Young was an extreme case of this. And Cam is over.
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Here, right? Because further over, Vince was surrounded by NFL talent, right? That team was top to bottom loaded. This team was not. It was this guy. And so they win that game against Georgia and again, I can't explain to people how big the story was, how big the cloud was that was around this. And they went and played Alabama the next week. Now Alabama to that point had already lost two games that year, but they weren't getting blown out in these games, right? They lost a. One of their two losses to, to Jordan Jefferson and lsu. They lost. They lost that one and they lost one to Stephen Garcia in South Carolina. Saban's defense hadn't quite figured out what to do with mobile quarterbacks yet. Like, they didn't have to be fast, they just had to be able.
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To move. Also, also one wide receiver who was indefensible that day, who Saan wanted to cover one on one. And when Spurrier saw that, he went, oh, Nate, just throw that guy.
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Does.
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That. Alshad. Jeffrey, throw that. Yeah, Alshon, just throw that big joker. There.
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You go. Throw it to the big joker. We can get it.
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Figured.
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Out. Yeah. Alabama was up 27 to nothing at halftime against Auburn. But before we get to that part, the Georgia game was, you are wrapped in Love in the midst of scandal. This was the Iron bowl on.
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The road. Ric Flair time. Ric.
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Flair time. And they doing stuff like, you know, white people often lose sight of how much we know about their stuff. So they doing stuff that's really funny to the white people that I don't think landed with Cam Newton, like playing Steve Miller bad. Take the money and run before the game. And I've seen a clip in a documentary of Cam like, yeah, they were playing Take the money everyone. You know what the. They was playing at the time. Like maybe you did, but I don't think you was really like, oh, that's my jam. Hey, wait a minute. They joking on me. I don't think that's. I don't, I don't think that's.
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What happened. No, no, no. You're telling jokes. You're telling jokes for you, not.
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For us. They were getting there asses kicked like they were getting run off.
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The field. And this I'm, I'm going to be the goose again. And then what? And.
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Then What? Then a 28 point comeback in the second half. They try to call it the Camback because everything needs a name, but that don't sound right. It a. It don't matter. The name of it is not the point. They walked Alabama down in their house and it ain't really voice. He walked Alabama down in their house and this time he couldn't run the ball. They stopped him on the ground. It was like 22 carries, 39 yards on the ground, passing. This time it was 13 for 20 for 216 and.
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Three.
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Touchdowns. Yep. And that, that Auburn defense that could only play with the lead this time they got their together and they won this. That is again as impressive a one man performance as you could given the circumstances, given the pressure, given the stakes. Like if it's just the Iron bowl with nothing else attached to it. This is.
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Crazy enough. Yeah. I listened to this game on the radio because I was driving back from another game and I listened to it on the radio and the sound that the Alabama radio crew was making by the fourth quarter, it was the sound of somebody who was being told of a bad diagnosis at the doctor. Every time they opened their mouth, right, like just increasing stages of like, okay, your test came back positive. Oh, that's not good. Positive for what? Well, it's cancer. Oh boy, that's real bad. Right? Then he scores like, you know, it gets up to 21, then it's like, well what stage is it? They're like stage nine. You're Like, I thought there. I thought there were only four stages, and they're like, surprise, you're the one. You're the first one who's had stage nine. Like, that was every single score. It just kept getting worse. It kept getting worse. And it was. It's a little more mythical for me because I didn't see it at first. I've watched it since, and it's way cooler in the radio version, where I don't know how he's.
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Doing it. Right. And it was. There was an air of defiance, obviously, to it. And the Alabama angle takes us back to another part of the scandal that I think had kind of been lost, which was the two powers of the conference at that point in time are Alabama and Florida. And it felt like both of them had their hand a bit in this controversy and this scandal and this investigation coming about. Because now we also hear about all the stuff that happened at Florida. The cheating on test, the laptop situation. Right. And the question that always comes up with any of this stuff in the SEC is who told? Because they got a real stop snitching thin blue line situation about all of this stuff down there. Like, if we get caught, we get caught. But you don't get to tell. Right. Phil Fomer skipped out on SEC media day how many times trying to avoid the subpoena when Alabama accused him.
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Of snitching. Yeah. And then got served at.
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SEC media. They got, sir. Yeah. But it was just like. Yeah, this is. This is the thing. Right. So Auburn getting this good. Alabama can't abide by that. Florida needs Cam to not be so good. Because while this is going on, by the way, Florida stinks and Urban Myers on the way out the door. We didn't realize it at the time. Mississippi State, they're furious. Right. Because they swore they were sure that they were going to be able to get him, and they did not. And now it's the game against Alabama, and he just straight walks them.
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Down like. Yeah. Can I walk that out a.
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Little.
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Bit? Sure. Okay. Because you've covered Florida, you've covered Mississippi State, you covered Alabama, you've covered Auburn. Keep going. I think this is one of the cracks in the foundation at Georgia that is eventually one of the things that leads to the downfall of the.
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Mark.
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Richtera. Yeah. Because how did you let him leave? How did you let him get out of here? Did you see that.
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Guy, Mark? He's too big.
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To miss. How did you not get him? And then we start noticing all the other talent at quarterback in Georgia that ends up.
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Going elsewhere. Yep. They asked him to play tight end. Rodney Garner went to Westlake, told him to play.
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Tight end. Yeah. Walk that out a little bit. Because it's not good.
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Yeah, yeah. It's not good at all. I mean, Sean Watson went to high school, what, 20.
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Minutes away. Yeah. Yeah. There's also an alternate timeline where if he is the rented mule. And those were the words that Cecil Newton used to describe what he feared Cam Newton would be at Mississippi State. And I think that has to do with usage.
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As well. Although that's exactly what happened.
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At Auburn. Well, that's exactly what happened at Auburn. But here's the thing. So he is used as a rented mule in Auburn, but nobody stops him. Like, I think maybe Cecil even underestimated what Cam was going to do, because I know what they would have had him do at Mississippi State, and that would have been QB.
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Power. Yes.
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A lot. He would have been going battering Ram, Tebow style, straight up the middle. Right. And that's not what he ended up doing at Auburn, but I think the results would have been the same. Yeah. You know, like, we saw a dude nobody could.
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Tackle look. And that. Look, I can skip to the next part, by the way. They beat the dog shit out of South Carolina in the SEC championship game when they play again. And then in a rather unimpressive performance from Cam, they won the national championship game, a game I did not see live because I got food poisoning from a taco place in Los Angeles when I was out there to do Jim Roman's burning. It was a really terrible situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was rough. I don't want to say which one, because they had national chain, but they did me dirty. And I'll never go back there again. But this gets me back to the $180,000. In the conversation that I had with a buddy of mine, my man Chief. Chief is. Well, I think he's still at A and T, but he's economics professor. He also played college football at Ole Miss. And Chief said to me once, and I hadn't really thought about this, but he was right. And he said, here's why. That $180,000 was a steal. And he says, if you had put Cam Newton on any team in the top 25, and keep in mind, like, Stanford with Andrew Luck was in the top 25 that year. Okay? We're saying any team. If you put Cam Newton at quarterback of that team, that team would win a national championship. And we know this to be true. Because the least talented team in the top 25 that year, from top to bottom.
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Was.
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Auburn. Yeah. And they won a national championship with Cam Newton. If you put Cam Newton on Florida, which still had a bunch of players at that time, not even. Not even Urban and Steve Adasio could have messed.
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That up. No. And. And wouldn't have. Like, that's the ifs that come off of him. And off of this case, if Florida keeps him, that's another title. I feel certain saying that. I don't even think that the 2009 version of Alabama, which was a very tuned in version of Alabama. I don't think they beat Cam Newton one on one. No, I don't. And I know that because the following year they didn't. Right. With a lot of the same personnel. So I don't think. I don't think they get around that. I think that if you. If Gene Chiswick. Okay. Who, by the way, like, we know who Gene Chisik is because of.
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Cam.
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Newton. Yes. Like, that's it. He would be. He would be a footnote. He gets an extent. He gets a contract out of that. He gets a buyout out of that. He gets additional jobs out of that. He gets a TV gig. He gets a TV gig out of that. You don't get a TV gig unless you won.
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That.
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Title. Yeah. With that Auburn team. Right. If. If Auburn isn't in that race, they don't end up in the title game versus Oregon. And Oregon potentially has a title because Oregon plays a very ugly game. That is one of the ugliest games I've ever attended. I was there. It's unwatchable. But Oregon probably would have won that game. Right. Versus almost anyone else. But in the second half, again, Cam gets it together and they do what they did all year and they come back and win that game. So the Ducks have a championship game and potentially a championship after that. Right. Which would give the Pac12A championship, which, you know, they haven't had since a non USC championship. A non USC championship at that. The rarest of.
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All things. Let me tell you this about the way Chisck goes in this. And so Chisck. Chisk had been the defensive coordinator at Auburn in 2004 when they went undefeated and were loaded. Okay. Loaded on offense, loaded on defense, just flat out loaded. And that. That is actually a very important parad. Paradigmatic shift in the way that we thought about the sec because Oklahoma was the number two team that year and they went and got their doors blown off by usc and that became the. You can't keep an SEC champion out under, like, ever again, Right? That's the way people looked.
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At.
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It. Okay? Chisik went to Texas for a couple years as defensive coordinator. He's the defensive coordinator in 05, where, again, what Gene Chisik is really good at is telling really good defensive players to go be really good defensive players. Great gift. Right? He goes and coaches at Iowa State 5 and 19 over the course of two years. He gets the Auburn job in 2009. Black people got a lot of questions about how such a thing.
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Ever.
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Happens. Okay? 2010, they win that national championship. I'll never forget this did around the horn before the start of the college football season in 2011, like, opening weekend. And I want to say Auburn was playing against Utah State and I was in FA. I was FaceTime. I mean, not FaceTime. The. The showdown. That's what they called it. So I'm doing the showdown and I say, hey, keep an eye on Auburn and see what they look like without Cam Newton. And reality hit me like, that was the most obvious thing in the world to say. And I'm like, brother, I don't think you understand. I don't think you understand what I'm.
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Talking about. Chuck. Chucky Keaton is about to beat them in.
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Auburn. Yep. And almost did. Almost did. But they were 8 and 5 that next year. Which is to say, and I believe this is a fair characterization, Cam Newton was worth five wins all by himself.
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At least. Which in football, which in football terms is incalculable. We talk about like, like value over replacement players. Very hard to calculate with a short. With a small data set. Like football. It really is, right? Like, it's just, you got 11 guys on each side. It's very difficult. But if you want to do a big raw number, go look at this quarterback is worth X. This quarterback is this much of your production. That's a thing that you can go look at and look at how much production Cam Newton was worth versus any other player relative to the team. I don't mean in total yards. Like, you can go search the stats and go, okay, well, this guy has more total yards. How many total yards out of your team's production were we talking about here? How many touchdowns can I attach to him? There are guys who have had these kind of seasons in terms of dominance across sports. There are very few of them who have had it in football. Right. And if you're going to look. The pros are not where you want to look up. You want to look in College where you can take one player and hitch an entire squad to them and maybe get nine plays. Look at Diego Pavia. We know Diego Pavia's name because he's been the anchor for the Commodore's entire effort to be a legitimate football team in the SEC in 2024 and 2025. We know his name. He's got outstanding numbers. I voted for him for the Heisman. Was that wrong? Now that I've watched Trinidad Chambliss in the playoffs? Potentially. Potentially, I will confess, might have made the wrong vote there, buddy. But you know his name because he is so much of their total production. And I will tell you that whatever Diego. Diego Pavi has done is probably about half as much as what Cam did proportionally against the entire Prime Sec schedule.
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Of 2010. Do you realize how good and talented one has to be to put up the passing stat lines that Cam did at Auburn and for the NFL of 2011 to say, come on over, come on down, we'll figure this out. We got it. I remember when that draft was coming up, I was talking to a guy who knew some things, and he was like the Panthers at first. They were really locked in on two guys, Patrick Peterson and A.J. green. By the way, this is one of the great drafts of all time. We're going to do one of these episodes about the 2011 draft in a few weeks, but there was no question. And a draft that had Von Miller and a draft that proved to have J.J. watt, that had Richard Sherman. We can go up and down all the guys that wound up being taken in that draft. If you redo that draft with all the hall of Famers that we already know are in that draft, if we redo that draft, the number one pick is Cam Newton, period. Even with the short career. Right. He's not going to end up in the hall of Fame, all of that. The number one pick in that draft is.
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Cam Newton. Yeah. I would argue. You want to talk about two franchises that he carried. You know, he got the Carolina Panthers to a Super Bowl. He didn't get them out with a win, but he got them to a Super bowl, which, in terms of franchise impact.
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It'S.
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Incredible. Yeah. Also survived a car crash that probably would have killed anyone else, and he walked away.
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From it.
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He did. When he was at Carolina. I don't. This gets to. You know, we've made a bunch of points that I hope are relatively smart and humble, but also at the same time, complicated and interesting to everybody. This is the point where I would like to Remind everybody that Cam, in addition to being what I think is the single most valuable player in the history of college football to one single team, and also a pivotal point in college football history, I would like to make the extremely smart point that I don't think you know how big this motherfucker is. No, that's a huge man. Oh, football players think he's big. His numbers. I don't care what his numbers say. Like, when you say somebody.
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Is a big six four, yo, it's impossible to explain. Like, I know people who are £240, right? There are people who are listening this that are £240.
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It.
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Y'. All. It's not the same. No, it is impossible to explain how big he is. It was so funny. The super bowl in Las Vegas, and that's what he had made the game changer. Game manager quote. And I'll never forget. I think Dominique gave him some hell over that. I did not. I knew exactly what that. What that guy was talking about when he said that, right? But Dominique said he walked past Cam and was like, oh, okay, I understand what he's talking.
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About now. No, no, it's. It's not. It doesn't make sense. He's built like Master Chief. Like, he looks like a space Marine. He is the biggest thing on the field, even if there are other bigger things, right? Everything's huge on him. He's got big cabs. Like, he has the calves of an offensive lineman. Like, when he lines up. I remember seeing him at Florida and he came out on the field and I remember thinking. I was like, oh, that's a big tackle. That's a. Oh, that's Cam. Yeah. Shit. Like, I. In terms of what a quarterback could be, we're used to quarterbacks being tall and some of them being kind of muscular. I don't think you're as big in terms of total bulk. Like, we don't have. We don't have Josh Allen sized dudes very often, but we have them a lot more now that you have a guy like Cam. And now we see prospects like that and go, yeah, sure, go ahead, start. Start a power forward at quarterback, right? Start a center.
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Hell, right? Like, he's like the. He's like the Darnell Washington of quarterbacks.
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Right? Like. Like just incalculably huge. Should not be that size. If and if anything, you know, this is a real dumb point I'm making, but I hope that if you go back and look at what he's doing to the LSU defense in 2010 on that run. Or if you go back and look at his highlights, just know that when he was passing you, it was like a van sweeping by you in a parking lot. Like it made a noise. He's just. It doesn't make sense. I've seen the mic'd up with one of the Boses, pardon me if I can't remember which one or distinguish between the two, but one of the Boses miked up talking about tackling Josh Allen and Josh and they said the ref is like, hey man, that was a little low. Like, next time I'm going to have to probably throw a flag. If you go in that low on him and Bosa looks at him and goes, look at him. Fuck am I supposed to do with that? And you know, this is somebody who is as also huge, right? And extremely strong. A 99th percentile human being in terms of physical capability. And he's looking at this guy like, this is a question from hell. I can't answer it. You're asking me to do something I don't want to and can't do. Like it's, it's like in terms of. In terms of. He's one of the few players who is metaphorically and literally as big as he should be in terms of college.
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Football history. No, he was that guy. And this is Ty Machine. Tuesdays. We're going to do this every Tuesday, man. Brother. Spencer hall, check him out at Channel 6. This was fun. Like, like, this is this. I am.
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Enjoying this. Listen, we're going to do. We're going to.
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Do Manzel. Yeah, yeah. When Manzel's time come, we are definitely going to get to Manzel because that was the. That was a. That was.
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A time. Yeah, that is good. That is the way to put it. If you want cameo a time.
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Was had. Now imagine this. Imagine you put Cam Newton on the team that Manzel jumped onto that had three first round picks on the offensive line, Mike Evans and the man who one day still might put it all together, Christian Michael at.
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Running back. We wouldn't have those 24, 17 games now, would we? No, it'd be week four and everyone going, what? Yeah.
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That here's. That would be a tee. That had a legitimate. I don't know, I think they could keep it close against.
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The card. I mean, listen, I'm going to give you. Listen, I'm going to give you. Yeah, they might, but I'm going to give you the haters. The haters prescription, which is, you know what they'd be bo the end of the season. 8 and 5. Yes, 8.
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A
And 5. They would somehow subway. Even if they weren't 8 and 5. Somehow it would be like this year where at the end, Aggie felt 8 and 5. Now, didn't you. Didn't it feel just like 8 and 5.
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B
Right before. Right before that, I wrote that the two most psychologically shattering things that could happen, like, the worst possible case is that if A and M lost to Texas and then they lost in the playoff, and bo, they lost to Texas and they lost in.
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A
The playoff. My favorite thing about that is that I never wanted Texas to play them again. Like, when I was really invested in that, I was like, you want to go to the SEC final? Never play.
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B
Them again. Leave with the.
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A
Belt, right? Yeah, yeah, never play them again. Case McCoy walked you down at your house, never play him again. And instead, Texas has chosen to take that to another level of, how about we just never lose to him again, huh? What you think about that? Like, the fact that A M could not win that game the first year that the series was resuscitated and it was in their house. Never lose to.
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B
Them again. It's just. It's devastating. It's devastating. But I'm making jokes about 8 and 5. That Texas a and M team with Cam Newton would have. People would still shudder, eyes would twitch. You'd be like, how. How'd you lose by 70 points to a football team? And you'd go, listen, listen, I.
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A
Was there. They'd have been 10, 0 after.
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B
Seven games. Yeah, we would have just given them additional. NCAA just would have investigated on principle. They would have been like.
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A
Something'S happening. Yeah. It'd have been like, 10, eight rounds in boxing. Like, that's just. Except instead of a ten, eight round, if they let you.
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B
Get eleven. Oh, okay, listen, you want to talk about SEC Omerta. Okay. You want to talk about keeping La Cosa Nostra quiet and not snitching? Okay, sec, you say we're good at it. Now, there's gossip. How often. How often? How often does everybody, you know, talk about college football calls up and goes, listen, I got eight or eight or nine things from.
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A
This week. Oh, yeah, they gossip, but they don't call.
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B
The cops. No, they don't call the cops. Okay, well, at the time, we got Big 12, Texas A and.
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A
M, right? Yes, they're called.
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B
The cops. They're calling. Listen, there's all kinds of Texas. First of all, Texas A and M is going to win five games by 30 points each, and Texas is going to convene the State House. Be like, well, we got to.
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A
Outlaw this. Yeah, this has. This has to stop.
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B
Right now. That can't.
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A
Be real. They would have arrested Cam at Memorial Stadium before they allowed him to actually play any.
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B
Football there. But listen, you're like, oh, well, why would there be a cop on the field at Texas A and M? And go, they're bumping. Listen, they're bumping shoulders in the tunnel in 2025. What do you think they wouldn't do.
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A
In 2010?
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B
That's right. That's right.
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A
My brother. I appreciate.
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B
You, man. Yeah.
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A
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