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Travis Von Edwards
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Bomani Jones
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Right Time, a wave original presented by Perplexity. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us. Check out the Goat G O T E greatest of their era. Get that on iHeart podcast is my man, Travis Von Edwards, also with Seth Curry. What's going on, man?
Travis Von Edwards
What's going on, man? It's been a minute. What's going on, dog?
Bomani Jones
Hey, man, you know, I had to go over there to Indochina for a minute. You know what I'm saying?
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah.
Bomani Jones
See? See what that was hitting on?
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, man, I didn't want to bother you, man. You know, I. I gave you your idle time. I said, man, I see my boy when he get back.
Bomani Jones
Oh, yeah, I was long gone, man. I told people I. I don't know the last time or if ever I was as long gone. And as I was on that trip, like doing Hawaii, I can get long gone. There is something to be said about being 11 or 12 hours difference. Like, you're still here for some people. You know, you still might have a couple people, but when it's a complete different time of day.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah.
Bomani Jones
Where you at? Like, totally different. Yeah, man, you can just kind of.
Travis Von Edwards
I mean, but I, I'm now. Now that I've like, known you for some time at this point, you know, idle time is just the best. Like, it'd be like, all right, cool. There's no phones on with both, you feel me? Yeah, man.
Bomani Jones
Dude, I'm trying so hard to snap this phone thing, man. I've been talking to people about this. I went to the hypnotist about the phone. I've been off my rocker. I did a good job. Like that first week when the hip, the hypnosis was really hitting hard. I read like three books that week.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah.
Bomani Jones
You know what I'm saying? Even. Even with Vietnam, I read three books and one of them was 700 pages, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. Like, I was out there getting it, man, but I'm just finding myself kind of going up and down through the motions again. Got a Twitter window open and they got us, man, we fiends, we fiends. Like, and I feel confident saying it's we because I know how everybody else is getting down.
Travis Von Edwards
Oh, I know. I'm Listen, as somebody who's worked in social, and I try to separate the two, right where I don't work in social anymore, but I used to be on it. Like I've seen shams, like screen time. Mine was grossly close to it because I needed to know everything and now I don't need to know everything. I'm still connected to that tissue of, you're gonna have to figure it out eventually. You know what I'm saying? And it's that fear of missing out. But I'm getting to that point of like. Like I said, when we hang out, I normally. I need this gap of time to not hit me up at all. I'm gonna turn my phone off or I'm going to put it in my back pocket and. Yeah, when I leave your house, I'm gonna probably turn it back on.
Bomani Jones
Yeah. See, you live with the constant flow. Like, you know, I've gotten into my jazz era of life, you know what I'm saying? Travon's in his jazz era and he was like, yo, I got this jazz group chat if you want to check it out. And I said, cool. And I'm gonna be honest, man. I had to cut that shit off because it was non stop. I couldn't get nothing from it. Yeah. Because it was so much. So I'd read this book that made a very good point about the technology and it was that the advantage of digital communication over the written word was the speed of transmission and along with the speed of transmission, the volume of transmission, so you could send more stuff and faster. And we are so far past the point of optimality on that. That is all. Like, what is out here sitting like this all the time?
Travis Von Edwards
Right?
Bomani Jones
Like. Like we just.
Travis Von Edwards
We just.
Bomani Jones
Right there in the wind machine is just hitting us in the chest.
Travis Von Edwards
Right.
Bomani Jones
Right. We are under not a waterfall. We're under Niagara Falls.
Travis Von Edwards
N. It's real, man. It's. It's not even. I mean, you could say that about music. You can say that about. Yeah, television. It's so many options to a point that even if you did consume it, you didn't consume it with enough time to sit and actually process it. Yeah. What's next?
Bomani Jones
Nah, man. The Birmingham PD is out here bull connoring us with the water hose of content or everything else. It's just. And it's hitting you in your chest and you out here, your arms flailing and everything else. Right. Like you about to have the dimple in your chest just because of all this content that is bombarding us at One time I saw some people got upset with my take last week, about last week, because I wasn't working last week. But I made the point. I think the NCAA tournament was better when it was just all running through cbs. And the idea that, oh, I could watch all the games is cool if there's a game specifically that you want to watch, right? But otherwise it's just all this stuff and it's there and most of those games are good. And people couldn't fathom the idea that having access to something is by definition better than not having the access to it. And that might be the case for each individual observation in the sample, but. But once you put them all together, it's too much. And so it's a real kind of technocratic outlook that you believe the idea that we have this technology, therefore we have to use it. That anything that is not going to the to the end game of what is possible with the technology is by definition silly. And I'm like, no, man, I was here. We were here for the other time. Such a little young ass up. Listen, we were here and I'm telling you, it was a better bag when we didn't have all this stuff.
Travis Von Edwards
The McDonald's All American Games was going on and I had some downtime and they were like, yo, let's watch some games. And I said, yo, y' all got TruTV. And everybody turned and looked at me like, what is that?
What is that? Yeah, the game is going to be on true tv. And then there's another game on espn and there's another game on tnt. There's other game on cbs. And you're looking and you're like, oh, I can't track to the point of who's playing where out of a popularity and greed of money to ration this around and say, hey, you know what? Instead of serving to one channel, we're going to take money from everybody and give you streaming rights to this. And it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. Like, at this point, I am fine with not finding being the first at something. I've accepted that part of my life where I'm like, yeah, that's a cool TV show. I'll get to it. I'm not about to stress myself out because you guys are on episode 11 and I'm just now hearing about it and I'm on episode one and I'm not about to just binge my whole day to watch it.
Bomani Jones
Well, let me tell you something, that's ironic though. When I'm doing my best on getting the screens off. Because my bigger problem with the screens is the computer. Because I do so much work on the computer. Like, me and my brother were talking about this. This is our. Both Our issue phone. We can kind of regulate that. And then because communication has gone to text again, they just keep giving you reasons to go hit the pipe again, right? Like, imagine if everything that you did in your life was filtered through a crack pipe.
You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, it's time to eat. Let me order some food right fast with the pipe, right? Like, right. Every. Every time I needed to do something, oh, man, my mama just sent me a message. Let me hit the pipe right quick so can hear what it is. Like, that's. That. That's where we. They. We. We set it all in that direction and they figured out how to make it a pipe. It is a. It's like an all bad news sort of situation when it comes down to it. Like, it truly is. But it's like trying to figure out, like me and the hypnotist talked about this. It's trying to regulate eating. You don't want to ever. You don't want to stop eating, but you only want to go eat when you're hungry. Only want to go eat when you need to eat something. Or even if it's because I like eating something, it can't be because you're bored. It can't.
Travis Von Edwards
Is it funny that that's an American problem?
Bomani Jones
Right?
Travis Von Edwards
Because you go to other countries and people know how to stop. Or people serve you portions that are proportioned to actually what your body's supposed to handle.
Bomani Jones
Yes.
Travis Von Edwards
Versus America. We use the words more, bigger. You know what I mean? We're using these adjectives to sell to make you even more hungry. If you said, yo, Trey, let's get something to eat. I know I just ate an hour ago, but I'm still going to try to eat with you.
Bomani Jones
Yeah, well, two things. One, by the way, I find they're on their phones less. Yeah. When you're over there, like in Europe in particular, I noticed they're not. They're not really on their phones like that. And two, even I now that I'm not asking as I was. I lose weight when I go overseas. Right. They serve you healthier food. They serving it in smaller portions. Because what I didn't know about Indochina or, like, where I was in Indochina. I don't even think I've talked to you about this part, bruh. They got like, them Hawaii level fruits and vegetables. Yeah.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, yeah, like that. Like mangoes, man.
Bomani Jones
That watermelon. Something different over there. That dragon fruit. Brother, brother, they got something called orange nectar.
Travis Von Edwards
Okay?
Bomani Jones
Not. Not orange juice. Orange nectar. And I don't know if it was a typo at my hotel, but they called it orange nectar. Ne? C? T A. But that orange nectar was like, yo, this is, this is what's going on. But all the fruits, all the vegetables is all hidden. But anyway, I ordered some suits when I was over there because that's what they do, right? And I'm afraid because I ordered them at the end of the trip.
Which means I hope I don't become just enough of a different physical specimen now that I have returned to the fat ass United States to wear my wonderful bespoke suit and tuxedo no longer fit the same way.
Travis Von Edwards
Well, maybe easier said than done. You do the adaptation of, like, what did I consume? And also, can I genuinely hold myself accountable to these portions again? Because it's things that you like, right?
Bomani Jones
So I think I can do that. But let us stop and appreciate how insane it is that I of all people have to say, I don't know, brother, you gonna need a little portion control to stay where you at to get like. Like, that's how foul we living over here.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah. But it also gets to a point where now you're in the, like, not the body dysmorphia thing, but like, you're kind of in a thing of like, you fixate it to like, nah, I don't want to get, you know, I don't want to gain because of this. And like, it's like, yo, somebody else is from like a. A normal hood is like, yo, that's just food, bro.
Bomani Jones
Eat right.
Travis Von Edwards
And it's like, you don't understand what we're putting in our bodies, what we're consuming every day. The. The easy snacks that you can grab. Yes. You know what I mean? And consume and say, ah, it's just that, yep, I'm supposed to be 500.
Bomani Jones
Grams of sugar, yo. And all of that is a metaphor for. For our online existences. Yeah, Every, like every. Everything that we're talking about there really is a metaphor for all of these things and like all of this stuff that we wind up consuming. Right. And we take in, and then everything kind of becomes less memorable in a way. Like I said. I mean, I've been reading a lot of doom and gloom, bro. I. In order to put a little extra pep in my step on vacation, I instead chose to read books about hijackings of planes. Got to tell you, the hijacking stuff was fascinating.
Travis Von Edwards
Really.
Bomani Jones
Okay, first of all, you know, you heard. You hear about how they used to hijack planes back in the day. There was one year where there was 160 hijackings. Like a hijacking stopped being an emergency at one point. And they just had a very simple manual for what to do because they made the wise decision that you should always make when somebody robs you, which is come up off it. Right. No need to fight, no need to argue, Just come up off it.
Travis Von Edwards
And what was the succession rate of like, the hijacking and the plane actually landing or not? Like.
Bomani Jones
No, that's what I'm saying. The plan for the airlines was just to come up off it. Yeah. So the success rate was actually very high.
Until a few people kind of got tired of it.
Travis Von Edwards
Okay. And so don't motion picture my while I'm on the plane. I'm gonna tell you that now.
Bomani Jones
Well, well. So you got to keep in mind that this is the 1970s, so in the late 60s. So a big part of the story of hijacking is that it wasn't stopping people from flying and it wasn't costing the airlines money. So they would not put in their share to bring in X rays and metal detectors. They weren't doing it. They were just like, who cares? These people ask for X amount of dollars, so they'll give the plane back. It's cheaper for us to just give them the money than it is for us to put in security protocols. Like, security protocols came much later. And the reason was they. It was easier for them to just let you take the plane and go off on an adventure than it was for them to pay the money. But at some point, you know, there's.
Travis Von Edwards
Somebody out here who was being cheap on Wesley Snipes. They didn't want no passenger. 50 cents.
Bomani Jones
That's right. That's right. That's right. So, but, you know, so eventually it gets to a point where somebody's like, yo, man, they out here playing us. We ain't got to do this. So this one pilot had decided that he himself had had enough. And his little five foot five, I want to say he was a Vietnamese dude, I know he was Asian, and he tried to hijack a plane and he sent the note and everything else. And like, clearly he was just a distraught dude because most of these people were like that, like people with their own problems. And so the pilot knew a off duty cop who was on the plane. Keep it in mind. There ain't no, ain't no metal detectors. And so the pilot comes back to talk to the little 55 dude. He's like, come closer, come closer. And then next thing you know, he holds the dude up, he lays him out on the ground. He looks at his buddy, the off duty cop, and says, do it. And off duty cop came up and clapped him with a.357 Magnum. On the plane.
Travis Von Edwards
I'm still trying to.
Bomani Jones
Process it, like, yo, you didn't see that coming, huh?
Travis Von Edwards
I did not, no. The streets need a body.
Bomani Jones
It was a lot. The streets need a body. Although I will say I don't know if it was a one to one relationship on how this happened, but it did sound like after that dude got clapped that hijackings did decrease. I think there were a few other factors that also came into play.
Travis Von Edwards
But honestly, I think if, if, if there was a fatal ending, right, to a lot of things that people do, it would lessen.
Bomani Jones
Well, the problem with this is it would lessen. But the issue with the hijackers was, and I think that this is a parallel to a lot of what we see going on now was people who were struggling to find anything to believe in and find anything to live for. And so they were taking these drastic steps, whether it be a drastic step to get attention or to bring attention to something that they thought was important or anything else. You know what I'm saying? Like, like this is what I had, but these are the stories that I was reading to get me a little more excited because all these books I've been reading about the Internet just got me ready to go Amish.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, you sent over some good books, man. And I, I've really been checking them out, man. But again, I just know how society is set up. It's not allowing me like, see, see.
Bomani Jones
That'S, see that's, that's the thing. That's, that's, that's fiend talk, you know what I'm saying?
Travis Von Edwards
Well, I'm just talking about for work.
Bomani Jones
Like, I, I, I hear you, but I'm just saying I think that we could find a way to navigate and to get like, to a better middle ground or whatever it is. But see, that's what I think they like, like I said, you say work, imagine if the only way that you could get to work was to hit the pipe.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, but I think that they're creating that now, sadly, there it's the same way as how do I consume sports without gambling?
Bomani Jones
You know what I mean?
Travis Von Edwards
Like, it's Getting to a part where you have to even include that. My homie sent me over his resume, Bo. And you know what had to be included on their social media handles. We've gotten to that point.
Bomani Jones
Wow.
Travis Von Edwards
We've gotten to that point.
Bomani Jones
By the way, you make a great point throwing the gambling thing out there. Because the issue that makes the gambling thing different than it has been in the past is now we are sending gambling through the pipe, which is to say we are taking one of the strongest rocks there's ever been. And somebody has finally said, have you thought about putting it not just in a pipe, but the pipe, this new, new pipe, this pipe that you. You ain't even got to put a rock in it and make it hit. Now you gonna put a rock in there.
Travis Von Edwards
Nah, this is the. This is the. In the movies, that shiny drug that's in the crystal. You know, you haven't tried this. You tried everything, but this is the one. Yeah, right? And they take a hit and somebody's just like, falls out. It shakes. And then they get up and they're like, I need some of that again. Yeah, tell everybody, like, I need that. Hit that. Yo, you know, those are those. Those are those. You sign up, you get $50. Your first. Your first login.
Bomani Jones
No, that's exactly it. We get like, let's stop and think about. So the thing I say about gambling in the casino, right? They know the longer you stay, they're going to get their money back, right? Like the. Like the law of large numbers basically is. Is on their side. All of that's going to come together, and the longer you stay, you'll just go ahead and do it. So I think with blackjack, for example, the percentage is 52%. They're going to want 52% of the hands. And if you have a good day at blackjack, it's just because you hit on a statistical anomaly, you got it going. Okay, cool, right? Like, this is. This is how it works. The thing that you need to know about blackjack and all those other games is you are playing for money. And if you ask the dealer for advice, the dealer will give you good advice. The dealer will give you the best advice. The game is so stacked in their favor that they can tell you what you should be doing and just play along to a set of rules.
And you still gonna lose.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, right.
Bomani Jones
Like, that's. That's. That's how cold the money is in the gambling game. I ain't never heard of no situation where a sports book closed because they just Kept losing. Yeah.
Travis Von Edwards
No, I always watch people that gamble, that really, really gamble. Like, I used to shoot dices as a team, and I knew there was some extremities to that, but when you get to the point, you go to Vegas, you're bedding. Like, I've seen people hit the craft one big. Yo, you won 13k. Yo, you want 22k. They get halfway out, they cash out, they say, ah, let me. I'm feeling good tonight, man. There's no way I could lose.
Bomani Jones
Bro.
Travis Von Edwards
You'Re almost out the door.
That itch.
Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like, to me, when I mess up, when I'm up and then go back down is I start playing around with the amounts.
Travis Von Edwards
That's it. You gotta have the magic number.
Bomani Jones
What?
Travis Von Edwards
Number four?
Bomani Jones
Yeah, you gotta stay there. You gotta stay there like that. That's where I, like, I think the most I've won playing blackjack. I won about $10,000 at Subleague 1 time. Like, I just hit a nice run and I kept it going. But, like, it's the go up and then come back down or. Look, sometimes you just make the decision. Like, I was playing blackjack in Vegas at the super bowl last year with a former NFL player, right? I feel confident his money is good. I watched him go up. I forget how much, but it was a pretty good amount. And he was running late. He had somewhere to be.
Travis Von Edwards
Lucky him.
Bomani Jones
And he was late because he sat there and gave every chip back.
Because he came to play cards.
Travis Von Edwards
He stayed committed to the obligation. He got greedy.
Bomani Jones
He came to play cards. He came to play cards. But, like, if I got up, if I get up $13,000, look, I'm getting. I'm getting up. Like, I might play some more, but I'm not getting anywhere near losing $13,000.
Travis Von Edwards
No, no. I will say I'm pretty good with morally cashing out. I just. I'm just. No need. If it was a magic. If I'm. If I say, if I ever react, that. That's my. That's my, like, my itch. If it's always.
And I do that because I know I don't have no business having that. It's time to go. I seen the number where I'm like, I actually got excited about it. It's time to go. If I got excited about any number, it's time to go.
Bomani Jones
Nah, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's. That's real talk. That's real.
Travis Von Edwards
You gotta know. You gotta know yourself, because it's no way you're going to Hit twice.
Bomani Jones
Let me tell you what you need to do. If you get $13,000 and this is going to sound crazy, but this is the truth. Go get your ass up and buy something. I a big fan of them having all them stores right outside the casino for you to hit for that lick and then give it back. You should spend that money on some. Like if your plan was to go hit, hit at Vegas so you could pay off the rent. Oh, baby, you, you lost already. No, no, no, no. Go ahead and put it on something.
Travis Von Edwards
Just that fiend stuff right there. You get what I'm saying? When you go in saying I'm going to go in and it be in a lot of TV shows. I don't know if they created that to help the gambling companies, but most people, it's fixated to a point of, you know what? This is our last hundred.
We're going to go in. Trust me, I'm good for it. Yes. And I'm going to change your life.
Bomani Jones
I just got a feeling.
Travis Von Edwards
I got a feeling. That's TV magic, brother. That is TV magic. You are going to lose it all. Do not. I always tell people, I say, look, I used to, you know, when I was doing the ad reads for the gambling companies, I say, hey, bro, small amounts. You got $5 here. Cool.
Bomani Jones
Yeah.
Travis Von Edwards
When you start playing into your, your check the 15th and the 30th and it rolled out and you got your little 2500 or your 3,500from. What's your hard earned money? Don't. Don't go in there gambling. No. 200. That's what that cryptocurrency stuff I used to be looking, I like, bro, this is life savings.
You're not gonna become a millionaire just because over some, some, some digital ape. I'm sorry.
Bomani Jones
Fortune favors the brave. But hey, coming up next, we're gonna talk about this last swing of the NBA season. I plan to start talking there, but you know what I'm saying? The world got bigger. We'll be back.
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Yeah, like, I guess it's a log jam eight seed situation. But still, I, I feel like they were the. I mean, it's been a while since they were the 2C, but it wasn't that long ago.
Travis Von Edwards
Nah, I mean the thing was as close as you want to poke your chest out and say, yeah, we're number two or yeah, we're number because one one been locked one been locked for a very long time. But when you think about all of what the west has been through, even I feel like a fair amount of teams touch number two. The Lakers got a chance to sniff it. The Rockets, the, the N. Like, you know what I mean? Like certain teams was poking their chest out as if they were going to remain there. The race was so close that you sneeze wrong, you lose one player, you know what I mean? You're going to drop and now we're at game 79. You know, those matchups and those wins and those vital things matter. They matter now because you have to have everybody on board. You know what I mean? You can't even have a. You can't even get bored and say, you know what? I'm going to bench my guys because that's how intense the west is right now.
Bomani Jones
So the two right now is the Rockets, and they are locked. Like, I don't think there's any chance that anybody catches them for the two. This is what I find interesting about the Rockets. It is good to be have a coach who is interesting, right? Like, I think the thing that's missing in basketball, all these suckers need to quit putting. Quit wearing these pullovers and go get them some suits so they can look like people rather than all looking the same, right? Because the coaches just kind of feel interchangeable and kind of boring, right? That is not the case with Eme. And what I like about ebay as coach is imei's team's gonna have a personality because Eme got that personality, right?
Travis Von Edwards
Oh, yeah. You can't play for Eme, and he might bench you if you're a star or not.
Bomani Jones
But these. This is what was interesting to me, though, about Eme and the way he gets down. His get down allowed the Celtics to stop acting like some suckers, right? But they never felt, even now as champions, as like a swaggering, you don't want no problems with us kind of outfit. The Rockets, where as a lot of younger guys, right, like they finally made the decision, you know, however many years after the hardened trade of, okay, now we're going to start trying to win. And they feel like a ema squad. Like, the way Amen gets down is like, you got a coach that has said you that, dude, and we gonna go out here and we gonna act like these, like this. Is this the coach that talk crazy to LeBron James in the middle of games and he got a squad like that?
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah. I mean, even when they were building it out, I remember like the year or two when they acquired he may and they got him. And I know Brooklyn was flirting with him a little bit until they, you know, tried to peep into his personal biz. But overall, I knew what type of, you know, moves he was making. He's taking the gamble on the Dylan Brooks, he's signing the Fred Van Vliet, he's benching to Jalen Green in the fourth quarter quarters because he's not defending, you know what I mean? Like, he's drafting a Reed shepherd. But Reed Shepherd's not playing. Everybody's calling him a madman because, you know, Reed Shepherds is the, the best thing since sliced bread. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's like, nah, if you don't defend, you don't play. If you ain't tough, you don't play. Like, it is what it is. I got a certain type of player that I want out there and he says, you know what? We not adjusting to the ref. The ref is adjusting to us. So if we gonna get physical, we gonna, we gonna, we gonna get tossed out of some games. We gonna get them early. Three fouls in the first half, but we establishing the, the, the, the flow of the game. And when you play us, it's gonna be very tough. And that's, that's the embodiment of it, you know what I mean? Like, they lucked up getting him just because again, like you said, he's not afraid of the LeBrons. He's not afraid of Steph Curry. He's not afraid of most of these people that usually pump fear. And the coach is like, no, no, no, no, no, don't get. They want. All of this is one of them teams that literally want all the smoke. I don't know what they're going to actually do in the playoffs, but from the regular season to turn Houston Rockets, their two young team, into the number two team in the west as a lock. Come on ime.
Bomani Jones
Yo. So the too young part is interesting because Oklahoma City is in year two of. Are you grown enough? And that, that is still in the air, right? Like, we, we still don't have the answer of whether or not they're grown enough. The Rockets raised the question of whether or not they're grown enough. But the Rockets do have, like Dylan Brooks has been so grown. But Fred Van Vliet is an NBA.
Travis Von Edwards
One, a chip, right?
Bomani Jones
Like, he is a he that, like, that's a grown up that they have. But he's Fred Van Vleet. Like how much we really talking about here. Like maybe he has a Mario Ellie type of influence where he could be that guy. But like, it remains to be seen. But then you look at the rest of the conference, everybody's got a bright side, everybody's got obvious reason for skepticism. The most interested team in the west. To me, that boy Kawhi is back. And the only thing that's ever stopped that man truly is being hurt. Although I guess he was there when they blew that 31 lead to Denver in the bubble but healthy Kawhi. Look, man, if Kawhi Leonard has stayed healthy the whole way through. Kawhi Leonard is a top 20 all time NBA player. I think that's by the way, they.
Travis Von Edwards
Got the best defense in the NBA right now.
Bomani Jones
They have maybe of all the teams in the west, they got the coach you want.
Travis Von Edwards
I will say this too. Huge credit to Ty Lue. Huge credit to getting out all the cancer players, right? Those players that didn't want to be there, the players that, you know, took to social media and said, you know, I should be playing and this, that and the third, James Harden redefining what y' all thought about him, you know what I'm saying? Jim out there, swag is different. The sneakers matching the car. The UNO all star people wrote Jim off. They wrote him off.
Bomani Jones
He's such a fascinating case because as we've tried to write him off, he has become underrated and and what I.
Travis Von Edwards
Crazy as that sounds, right.
Bomani Jones
But he had. And what I don't think he gets enough credit for is his game is far more adaptable than we give it credit for being now. It is also static in some ways, right? Like push come to sub. He's still going to be out there cooking at the top of the key. But at the same time he is willing to step up and step back as necessary for a team and has always been willing to do that. Well, no, always is too far. Yeah, but he has been willing at points.
Travis Von Edwards
I'll say. When he got moved to Brooklyn was the start of this, right? It didn't get enough credit because everybody was kind of in up in arms because oh, they're cheating. They got three players playing together and it kind of overshadowed that he even did glimpses of it in Philly. But when he got to LA and people was questioning, I don't know, this might, he might be out the league. This style ain't gonna never work. He shows up, he Kawhi's out, you know, pulled out of the Olympics, you know what I mean? Training camp, missed the first beginning to see they had to redefine. You got Jim Harden out there playing defense. You got Norman Powell potentially peeking at all star. You got Zubok potentially most improved. Like they go get Bojan Bandadovic. They make the income, they make the competent moves to make this team be a threat. They're one of the scariest teams in the west and I know Lakers fans, oh yeah, it's just the Clippers little brother. Y' all better pay Attention I like, I like Luke and Braun, but from a complete side. A seven game series, things of that nature. I'm not even taking that win against the Thunder as like, oh, my God, I told y'.
Sean
All.
Travis Von Edwards
You know what I mean? Thunder needed to go through that. They needed that more than anything. Because if they would have rolled through the Lakers, then get the Lakers. I don't know. I don't know how it is.
Bomani Jones
Yeah, like the Lakers, I did not get to see them for two weeks. It sounds like a lot. It sounds like the defense came back down to earth a little bit. And then I look up on Sunday and they just blew Oklahoma City's door.
Travis Von Edwards
They don't shoot like that. They had like a. A miracle shooting night like that was that.
Bomani Jones
That's what I'm looking up. And it's like 125 to 96. That sounds like shooting splits.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, no, they just shot. They shot over 70% in the first half. Like 75 some points in the first. First half. Like, all right, bro, shout outs to y'. All. I'm happy, you know, but it was like, yo, Vando and the defense and it's like.
They'Re not. Oklahoma's not showing up like that. They're not showing up like that every night. Y' all not punking them. Bad night. Bad night. That's it. I give it. Great win for the Lakers. I'm not going to take that away from them. Great statement win to make them feel confident going into any series. But at the end of the day, seven games. I still like the Lakers veteran again, like you mentioned earlier in the conversation, is that are the Thunder ready to be men, right. And not looked at as little boys because that, that every. Everybody's had a. A great season where they won 50 something games and they were their one seed and then got bounced. But can you see the Rockets? Can you see the Clippers? Can you see the Lakers? You know, the only team that's red panic button right now and everything's kind of falling apart is the Nuggets. Jamal Murray's getting hurt at the wrong time. Russell Wishbrook is avoiding questions. Jokic is still being Jokic, but it ain't looking too great over there.
Bomani Jones
We're reaching the point now where we gotta keeping in mind that Nikola Jokic is. Has never played with another player who was an all star the same year as him. This is starting to look like malpractice because he is that guy.
Travis Von Edwards
Yes.
Bomani Jones
All right. Like that. Like, yeah, yeah. Like nobody can deny it anymore. It's a different kind of wilt game, but, like, there's no. There's no room to hate anymore. And what Denver seems to be doing. Look, I thought if they had stayed healthy last year, I still think they could have won a championship. But they feel now so far removed from where they were two years ago. Like, losing Bruce Brown, for example, like, that was a thing, right? Like those. Those things matter, but they. They don't feel like champions anymore. Or maybe that's just kind of this new era, right? Where, like, what is the we are a champion? How much does that matter anymore when there's the. On one level, you would think because of how much parity there is, that that should be an incredible tiebreaker. But it doesn't feel like it. Like, the Nuggets don't give we are champion vibes. And that's kind of nuts.
Travis Von Edwards
If they didn't win, we're talking crazy about them. Yes. I think the win made it. Complacency is. Hey, we got that. We got the monkey off our back, bro.
Bomani Jones
Yeah, that's it.
Travis Von Edwards
We just needed one.
Bomani Jones
We're okay.
Travis Von Edwards
We'll go back. We just make the playoffs a couple times. You know, we got one of the greatest players. Best player in the league, you know, because now they gotta flirt with the option. Cool. They get bounced. Where does Michael Porter Jor go? Where does this person go? Do we even make a certain change? Because, like, it's getting to that point where it's just not enough anymore. The Aaron Gordon's of the world. The Jamal Murray's. Where do I have to pair somebody better with Yokos? Yokos not going nowhere. But also he also not about to throw a fit publicly.
Bomani Jones
No. No. Jamal Murray is who Jamal Murray is in our eyes for one reason. Yeah. He plays with that guy. Yeah. Feel free to turn on the 2024 Olympics if you don't quite understand what I'm saying. Jamal Murray is really good playing with Nikola Jokic. It wouldn't be anything like this without him.
Travis Von Edwards
That is true.
Bomani Jones
Period. Now, we had brought up the Lakers a little bit earlier. I went and pulled up, like, the Luga Donchic advanced stats because I find them interesting. Especially because he holds the ball so much, which is an interesting skew. Very often the advanced stats on him this year are not so great. And quietly, the advanced stats for him in his entire playoff career are not that great. But that's not the point, is it? Right? What. What. What is the point with him is the boy don't scare. He might fall apart right because that can happen. He can get caught up in a bunch of stuff, and that's what happened toward, you know, the end there in the finals last year. But the boy don't scare, and they're going to be out there with him and LeBron James, two dudes that are like, I got that shot, right? If this gets tight and somebody's got to do it. Because I think something that is underrated about the NBA, and you spend a lot of time around basketball generally, but the NBA specifically is. I think people underestimate the number of dudes that don't want the shot. There are a lot more dudes that don't want the shot that. I think that people understand. They got two dudes who want the shot, have made the shot repeatedly, and are willing to give the shot to somebody else. Yeah, that's a deadly combination to have, man.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah. I mean, I think it's a luxury, but also, when you really think about Lucas definitely taking that shot, I don't care what bronze out there doing, no matter. Yeah, we Love Braun. Year 22 legend. Go, whatever you want to call that, man. But Luca taking that shot, right? And he gonna. And he okay with it. I think if he misses it grown in, it's a. I could have made it. But he ain't gonna. He ain't gonna take it for himself. You know what I mean? He gonna get some of them tip ins.
Bomani Jones
Yes.
Travis Von Edwards
He gonna get some of them close by the rims, making the right decisions. But them. Them jump shots, Luca. Luca gone and walk it off. But he gonna shoot it.
Bomani Jones
That man, fearless.
Travis Von Edwards
He gonna shoot it. He. He'll live with the results of it going in or out. And I can't say that for the next man because at the end of the day, it's too much on it. Braun miss it. It's too much on it.
Bomani Jones
It's.
Travis Von Edwards
It's way too much on it.
Bomani Jones
It's.
Travis Von Edwards
It's too. It's too mic comparison. Instead of fans allowing him to just miss and be human. Right. We're so far removed from that part that he rather drive and rely on the ref to blow the whistle and say, officiation was bad today.
Bomani Jones
Yeah. But I do think an interesting thing about LeBron is, I think, strangely, for a player of his caliber, the most underrated thing about him is his ability to hit those shots in those moments. Like, to me, the most overrated thing about Kobe Bryant was his ability to make those shots in those moments. The. The. The heroism of Kobe is the willingness to take them and the part that LeBron struggles to shake is that little stretch of time where he didn't want to take those shots.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah.
Bomani Jones
And we can't shake that. We don't have any such memory of Kobe Bryant.
Travis Von Edwards
Well, the logic of it, too, is making the right play. He's marketed iq. I'm the smartest player out here, and I'm going to make you look at it this way more than, why do I always have to shoot the shot? Low percentage or high percentage? Because I'm the best player.
Bomani Jones
But, like, to me, it was the right play. When you get it to Damon Jones in the corner against.
Travis Von Edwards
Absolutely right.
Bomani Jones
Like, like. And that. Like that, for example, that was the right move. It really was. That 2010, 2011, part of the regular season, 2012, that he had to shake off, where it was like, oh, no, he does not want these problems. Like, this is. This is so in. In individual sports, it's interesting. We treat choking completely differently. It happens to everybody. We've seen Tiger, every great tennis player. We've seen choke. Right. We've seen Serena Williams choke, for example. We've seen adult choke. We've seen Federer choke. We can go up and down the line. We've seen them all choke. Golfers. We've seen them all choke because there's nowhere else for it to go. There's nowhere else to push it off on. You're the only one that's out here. We've seen them short on the putts, all of those things. When people choke in basketball, and the way we talk about it is much more of a character indictment. And look, there's some people who are chokers. There's some people who are chokers that we don't talk about like that. But like, Tim.
Travis Von Edwards
Oh, no. There a lot of protected chokers, man.
Bomani Jones
Yeah, Tim. Tim Duncan. Lot of choke in them. Kevin Garnett, lot of choke in him. We can go. I mean, some of those guys have hit big shots. Some of those guys here with the.
Travis Von Edwards
Pitchforks, man, saying they favorites. But it's true. It's true. Basketball is one of those spaces where it. It kind of gets swept under the rug depending on popularity.
Bomani Jones
Yeah, well, like, so take Garnett, for example, man. The whole thing with Kevin Garnett is being charged up all the goddamn time. Yeah, right. Like being super sized up. Of course, that dude might get a little bit too sliced up for them shots, but you put him on a team with Paul Pierce, and it's perfect because Kevin Garnett. Right. Kevin Garnett can lead the team and be the greatest player that he was in that context. And then Pierce can. Can do that. And by the way, Pierce, who's probably not so great at that Kevin Garnett stuff. Okay, cool. And then you got Ray Allen take shots. Like, that's why that team came together so well. But with Braun, you're right. The world puts it in those, in those larger contexts. I don't know if he still does that though. Right. Like, you could tell when the weight of that was on him. You think he's still like, you think it still comes through now?
Travis Von Edwards
I don't think he's really tripping off of it because again, he's marketed the game to a point. Point of I made the best play. So you don't even get a chance to even bring it to the table to say what's a good shot and what's a bad shot. He made the best play. Now the weight goes more to a Gay Vincent Austin Reeves, a Luca Donchin who's catching the ball. And it was like you were supposed to make that.
Bomani Jones
Right.
Travis Von Edwards
It's no more the conversation of Bron shoot that you're never gonna. You can check the end of games. Their timeline never says that. It's trade that bum. Get him out of here. Why was he on the floor? You're wide open, not understanding how heavy that ball gets in that particular moment.
Bomani Jones
How far. How far that that basket is. A free 15 foot is an 18 footer. Once you start getting to the real.
Travis Von Edwards
Game, you feel all the pressure because everything's. It's intense. The short, the court shrinks. The, the, the, the. The actual floor shaking. There's a silence, a dead silence for that split second that is releasing your hand. Like we can talk about the national championship game last night. Right.
Bomani Jones
It was sharp.
Travis Von Edwards
Two moments. He went the first moment, drive to the basket, one on three. Now, obviously he probably thought he had a one on one matchup before it closed up. The second one, Clayton flying out at him. He thought he was on the blacktop again. He tried to do it up and down. He let the ball go and he tried to seal. It just went blank. And the magnitude of that. We don't talk about how good he was for that entire tournament. We're going to talk about those two moments.
Bomani Jones
Yeah.
Travis Von Edwards
And that's unfortunate, but that is, like you mentioned basketball and how we, how we handle choking.
Bomani Jones
Yep.
Travis Von Edwards
It is such a magnitude to a point where again, it is. It's five people playing a game. But if you mess up, Cooper flag, miss jumper, you Choked. He shouldn't be number one pick. It's hell to your last shot. Were you the hero or are you a loser? For the rest of it, you're a hero or loser.
Bomani Jones
That's it. That's it.
Travis Von Edwards
That's the weight.
Bomani Jones
That's it. I want to switch gears right fast before we get out of here. Why does John Morant not understand that? Son, you can't play around like you're playing with guns like you. You cannot do this.
Travis Von Edwards
Mirror, Mr. Untouchable, Nicky Barnes.
That's John Moran. You just gotta find out. Sometimes you play in the face of whoever it is. And right now, although injuries, suspensions, over the tiniest things, which all points back to him. No one else. No one else. Accountability to self. But he's paid the check, clears every first and 15th. He's the franchise player, he's seen all over. He's made game winners. But it gets old, especially when you're not winning at all.
Bomani Jones
Well, that's the thing. He hasn't gotten to pass the second round of the playoffs.
Travis Von Edwards
Is it really worth the headache at this point?
Bomani Jones
Is it worth the headache? I would probably say no. Right? But I think a very important part of this is so much of his game is unreal athleticism, right?
Travis Von Edwards
Oh, he's. He's probably the most exciting player outside of Steph Curry to me.
Bomani Jones
Right. And so how long does that keep up? Okay, he's 25 years old now. And no, 25 is not that old. But take a guy like Gilbert Arenas, for example. It was over at 25.
Travis Von Edwards
Three year run.
Bomani Jones
Yeah. Like 25 is old enough to where the wrong injury happens. Right. It's a meniscus thing or whatever. Especially if you have a game that's so predicated on your athleticism, which is. Was not really the case for Gill. It is the case for John Moran. Hey man, there's no promise that there's 10 years on the other side of this. Like if I'm Memphis and he's not listening, right? He doesn't seem to get what the stakes and what the magnitude is. Oh, we got to find somebody else to take.
Travis Von Edwards
I mean, he even says like, you know, Chandler Parsons made a comment about maybe he. They need to trade him.
Bomani Jones
Right?
Travis Von Edwards
Or he needs a new scenery and he came back with a response.
Bomani Jones
Right.
Travis Von Edwards
You know what I mean? And the writings on the wall. Memphis loves you till they don't. Luka Doncic got traded, brother.
Bomani Jones
Right.
Travis Von Edwards
You know what I'm saying? Whether. Whether you want to agree with Nico or not, that should have been the eye opener for any star. No matter what you've done for the community. What no matter how many game winning shots you've made. You are on a timetable.
You are just one of many contracts that need to be paid. And they don't mind hitting the reset button again. They don't. They fired your coach.
Bomani Jones
Hold on. They fired your coach in March and.
Travis Von Edwards
You'Re fifth and west at the time.
Bomani Jones
Right. Your team is going to the playoffs and they were still good chance to host the first round series and they traded your. The next. You're next. As far as issues go. You're the next person they look at because they fire a coach like that to me and you tell me if I'm wrong here. Not even necessarily because they think the coach is doing a bad job, but they think the coach, the coach can't fix what the problem is. And so they need to give it somebody else to try to fix what the problem is before they have to fix the problem.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah. And that problem happens to be 12.
Bomani Jones
Yep.
Travis Von Edwards
So at the end of the day, despite. I mean this is just, it's. It's the flow of it, man. It's a players league until. You know what I mean. But the player has to have some type of awareness. We can, we could say this to the. Our face is blue. Sure. Again, this is not even negative because it can be bite size and say oh, you're hating on Ja. You just don't get it. And it's like no, this young man is going to make a lot of money in this league. He's going to continue to do what he does. But you cannot, you cannot have a. I don't give a attitude in the National Basketball association as this player. Especially when you haven't won a championship. Especially when you haven't like champ winning wins fixes all. We know that you could be the worst person to you the best person. It don't matter. But in this case, I don't see them win the championship this year. And I don't know. The clock is ticking and when we look at those European stars and we're starting to look at our American stars and the only person that really want the. That really want the face and begging for it is Jason Tatum. But we really relied hard on Zion and Ja and they have yet to meet the standards of it. Like Job was right there to take off.
Bomani Jones
Yep.
Travis Von Edwards
You know, unfortunately lost to the warriors, whatever. And he was supposed to be that next year. Got hurt then the situation where he was suspended then got hurt Again, came back, got hurt. Now he's back to playing at a high level, and he's still one of the most exciting players. But, bro, when are you going to.
Bomani Jones
Take this serious, brother? The most telling two words that you said in that whole thing were, young man, you just turned 40 recently. And you understand where that goes. The John Morant is behaving in such ways that make you want to stop, but put your hand on his shoulder and address him as young man, right? Like there's a. And there's a care that comes when you tell somebody young man. But you need. Like that is. That is. That is a tone and a phrase that is reserved for hitting somebody with some true game, right? Like. Like somebody needs to give you some true game right now, young man. If you continue going the way that you're going, right? Like, that's another thing, too. You call somebody young man, what follows next is an if, then statement. If present tense, then future tense.
Travis Von Edwards
Yep.
Bomani Jones
If you keep going down this road, where you're going, it's not going to go the way you want. And he out here like, yeah, all right, I. I hear you, un. Whatever you say, right? John Morant. Look, back in the day, John Morant was one bad move away from having to cut his hair. You know what I'm saying?
Travis Von Edwards
Remember that conversations where people maybe should.
Bomani Jones
Cut his hair, you always had. It was always the dreadlocks or the braids fault, right? It always was. Now, granted. Well, I could. I can explain this part. If you're going to court, then it is definitely in your best interest to come in that bad boy with an edge up like that was. But like, acting like you went to court and you ain't been to court yet, that was always going a little bit too far. My favorite, of course, speaking of the court thing is when they finally. When Michael Vick had to go to court, boy, he had them waves back in a heartbeat. Once it was clear that he was catching charges, he went from braids to waves like that. It's.
Travis Von Edwards
It's very telly, man. When you pop out with the waves or you pop out with that shortcut, you know, hey, as a former person who got their hair cut, I used to have hair, by the way.
Bomani Jones
Yeah.
Travis Von Edwards
You know, I mean, and. And you have to. And you are judged by your actions. Please get that haircut. Clean up.
Bomani Jones
It used to always be the dreadlocks fault, right? Now you can't even tell a boy like that to cut his hair.
Travis Von Edwards
Hey, is it. Isn't it long hair? The symbolism of the devil on the shoulder.
Bomani Jones
No. What is that?
Travis Von Edwards
Do the dreads talk to you?
Bomani Jones
No. What it is, long hair is the symbolization that you don't care. What don't nobody say. You think the rules don't apply to you. That's what law.
Travis Von Edwards
Law.
Bomani Jones
That's what long hair says. You think the rules don't apply to you.
Travis Von Edwards
Dang.
Bomani Jones
And I'm not saying it's fair. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just telling you that is what it is. Tell people. Oh, you think the rules don't apply to you?
Travis Von Edwards
Hey, man. I mean.
Bomani Jones
And by the way, he clearly thinks that they don't.
Travis Von Edwards
Or he.
Bomani Jones
Or what he misunderstands is everybody else is doing the play with guns thing. You not everybody else. Like, he don't understand the ways in which he is and is not like everybody else.
Travis Von Edwards
Yeah, you definitely not everybody else.
If the NFL cutting out this. Yeah, you need to stop, brother. You need to stop. Listen, because this is. It's like one of them. You. You look at the other company and they say, hey, we going back to the office five days. Yes, y' all going back five days, sooner or later. So if the NFL said no. Yeah. Hey, it about to be no taunts. It's gonna be no taunt league, nothing. Just. Just score. Just go put your hands in your pockets. So they just give them pockets. NBA just let them put their hands in their pockets after they score.
Bomani Jones
Oh, man, that's my bad. Trvon Edwards. Check out the Goat podcast, greatest of their era, iHeart podcast. Javon and Seth Curry, my brother, I appreciate you.
Travis Von Edwards
Appreciate you, man. You know, it's always love.
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Podcast: The Right Time with Bomani Jones
Guest: Travonne Edwards
Episode: Travonne Edwards on Ja Morant's Future, Western Conference Favorites, and Society's Tech Obsession | 4.9
Date: April 9, 2025
In this spirited episode, Bomani Jones sits down with Travonne (Travon) Edwards to discuss several topics: the relentless pace of modern technology and content consumption, the current state and narratives within the NBA’s Western Conference, and the complex trajectory of Ja Morant’s career. With signature wit and insight, they examine how personal behaviors, team chemistry, and societal trends intersect across sports and culture.
On Tech & Content Overload
On Gambling & Addiction
On Rockets’ New Vibe
On Clippers & Harden
On Star Narratives
On Ja Morant’s Crossroads
The conversation is candid, energetic, and filled with insight delivered in Bomani’s trademark sharp, humorous, and occasionally sardonic style. Travonne Edwards matches the vibe, offering lived experience and honest opinions, especially on NBA culture and personal habits, making the episode accessible and compelling for listeners both deep in basketball culture and those interested in the intersection of sports and society.