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Pandora Jewelry brings the sparkle to your summer now with even better prices. Enjoy up to 50% off select styles from personalized pieces to must have favorites made for the summer. Timeless designs that shine with you through every moment wherever the summer takes you. Shop in store or online now through July 6th. Terms and conditions apply. Visit pandora.net for details. It's the last day of Pride month. Are you tired? I'm tired. My guest today is tired and he really shouldn't be because he's technically top of the oppression totem pole. He's a black gay man. Today we're talking to Amir. He is just fantastic. He's got his own YouTube channel at nearly a million subscribers. You guys can go over and subscribe to Amir Odom. Very excited for all things blm, identity politics and his hot take that would surely get him canceled. And more. Listen here. Hey, guys, I'm headed to D.C. this week for the Great American State Fair. I cannot wait. I'm going to be doing a live podcast and a meet and greet at 3:30pm at the Fox News booth. This is at 12th and Madison. Please come and see me. I can't wait to see you guys. Hopefully see you soon. Well, Amir, thanks for joining the Riley Gaines Show. Nonetheless, on the very last day of Pride Month, I. I've got to ask you, what do you make of the current state of the LGBTQ movement and do you associate with that community?
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B
I think the current state of it is a hot mess. It's a hot mess express. There's a lot of different things going on out there, a lot of things that I don't stand for, hence why I don't really feel represented or staying with the LGBTQ community, maybe 15 years ago, if you asked me, was it like, sure, possibly. But now, knowing that the community honestly just stands for trans kids, trans women in sports, drag queens in front of children, and just, just debauchery out in the streets. No, I don't really stand for that. And it's sad what it's become.
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A
Give us a little background on you because you're one of these figures who honestly, I admire a lot because I feel like in today's, like, current state of, of social media influencers, if you will, you're very much put into a box of you're either this maga influencer or you're a crazy leftist, but you're someone who represents, you know, you. You really don't have to be either of those things. So, so give us a little background on you and maybe where you are on the political spectrum.
[02:45]
B
Yeah. Thank you. So right now, I would say I'm pretty much center right, politically homeless. So you would say. Started making content online. YouTube, around 2023. We're almost at a million subs, which is just blows my mind. But, yeah, I mean, growing up, obviously I'm black, but I'm also gay. And I was always told that I have to be this, like, raging Democrat, that white people hate me, that I'm gonna die living in America. And it wasn't until I started thinking for myself and looking at different videos online and exploring different topics and ideas where I discovered I'm more than that. I discovered black people aren't just getting. I honestly thought, like, 10,000 black kids are getting shot and armed by the cops every year. 10,000. Whole time ending on. But 10 to 20, which is still bad, but, like, it's not the extent of what I was told. And then the whole gay side, I mean, I've always known I was gay, but they tried to block me in this box of I have to fit into the LGBTQ community on top of, oh, I'm black. I have to fit into the black community and lock myself in this ideological box of what a black guy and a gay guy supposed to be. And the more I've grown up, the more I realize that I don't have to fall into that. Nobody does. And you're allowed to just be yourself. You're allowed to just have sane point of views and be chill. And I've learned throughout making all this content online on YouTube, you have the mass community out there of writing people that feel the same way. I have a large following of black Americans that feel like they don't have to lock themselves into this. Having a black card, being a Democrat, and, like, hating white people, and have a large gay audience that says, hey, I don't feel represented in the gay community. I feel like the modern LGBTQ community is taking away our rights, is really sending us down a dark path. And I'm just here to highlight the perspectives that aren't really shown the most.
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A
You know, it feels relevant to talk about, given that it's. It's, you know, been national news over the past few weeks is the Carmelo Anthony case and some of the discussion that we have seen online from African Americans about what the ruling was, the verdict. What do you make of that? I mean, it seemed like, to me, obviously, as a white person, you know, outside looking into to the online discussion here, it almost appears as if there's a faction of society that that like, wants to be oppressed, which I think is a super weird, you know, position to be in where you almost want to be marginalized, you want to be the victim. And maybe it makes sense because when you're, you know, oppressed, it's better than being the oppressor because you're actually owed something. But. But I'd love to hear your perspective specifically surrounding the Carmelo Anthony discussion.
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B
There's a lot of black people out there that, you know, you, if you aren't oppressed and your whole worldview is destructed, so to say. So when I see the crowds of people outside that hearing and they're crying and they're angry, and I understand it a little bit because I was there, especially back in 2016, 2017, March on BLM, I was crying in the streets because I was literally under psychosis. Like I was brainwashed by the media by, you know, mainstream liberal black celebrities, that I was a victim and that everything's to blame for white people in slavery and that's that. So there are people that are trapped into this mental state of where like, I'm always being oppressed, I'm always nothing. And. And they locked themselves in that box. But in regards to the whole Carmelo and everything that happened there, it is wrong that he got stabbed. I'm glad the guy is going to jail. I just think that what I've seen from the black community is there one. It irritates me that they have this amount of energy for this one case where a black kid stabbed a white kid and the black kid goes to jail. They're so angry about it. But that literally happens every single day in Chicago and it's crickets. Like they don't acknowledge any type of black on black crime ever. But I have seen that people are more so upset at the how he's in jail. But there's other cases where they're like for example, the Rick Chow case, I don't know if you've been familiar with that. This Asian guy that chased a black guy out his gas station, shot him in the back like 150 yards down the street and he got away scot free. There's black people that are more upset and like throwing the blame somewhere else when reality doesn't seem to look the so church for what it is. And it was wrong. You can't just go up and stab somebody. No matter what he said, no matter how they're fighting what they're doing, you don't do that. So I don't know, it's just, it's sad to see how loud they are over something that happens every single day in our own communities.
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A
Yeah. What do you make of. I don't feel like I've heard much about, you know, the current state of BLM as an organization. Right. Obviously, back in 2020, 2021, this was an organization that, that, you know, profited, I think is the right word to use off of the. The death of George Floyd. Do you know where the organization is now? Do we know who's, if anyone, is still benefiting from this? Because I, I can certainly recall headlines where, you know, some of the, the people who head up the organization, they were living in like 14, 15 million DOL. You know, so. So what's the current state of blm? Do you know?
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B
They were out there scamming the black folk for their money? The current state of it, I would say it's dormant. It came out a little bit for the Carmel Anthony situation. I think we're going to see it a lot more when it comes to this next presidential race because, you know, they only pop up when someone's gonna be running for president. Something's gonna happen, they're gonna come out, they'll be marching the street, tearing down the cities, and it'll be interesting to see them pop out again. Because I do know from 2020 to now, I mean, it's night and day difference within black community. And how many black people have woken up to understand and know that BLM was a scam? I mean, the rapper Lil Yachty talks about how BLM was a scam and they're just stealing money. So I think the organization is dormant. I think people are still rooting and tooting behind this whole Black lives Matter. We're all in there. You gotta have your black car support black people. But I'm very curious to see if something else major were to happen, would it have the same effect as George Floyd did? I don't think it would, but right now I say, yeah, it's just dormant until something happens, unfortunately.
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A
Do you think that President Trump resonates well with. With black voters, especially those who, you know, are relatively tuned in and they don't have to know everything that's going on politically. I don't think as human beings, we were actually even designed to keep up with everything going on. But they watch the press conferences, they see President Trump, whether you like him or not, he is funny and like, he's very charismatic and he says what's on his mind. Like, do you think that resonates yeah,
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B
And I think it always have. Like, if you look at how many times Donald Trump is referenced in rap music, especially during his, like when he was doing the Apprentice and he was like the hot shot man, like that. There's so many rap songs about Donald Trump in the black community, loving Donald Trump. It wasn't really until that Charlottesville, when they're like, oh, there's good people on both sides. When that whole scam debacle that really took down how most black people feel about Trump, but off the bat yet, there's a lot of black people who resonate with him because of how real he is, how authentic and brash Trump is. That resonates with a lot of people in the black community and they vibe with that nowadays. I don't really know because I know that's a whole nother topic of, like, the support for Trump, but. But all in all, yeah, like, that type of boss energy, like, don't really care, like, I'm coming here, say what I want to say. Yeah, that resonates a lot.
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A
I am curious, being center, right, what are some of the things that, whether it be President Trump or this administration or the conservative party in general, what are some of the things that maybe have disappointed you or leave you more leaning to the center as opposed to like full fledged conservative?
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B
Yeah, I would say more so, honestly, maybe some of the religious things, like, I'm all for you, you know, practicing religion, doing that, living as you may, but really enacting certain things. And then some of the gay rights issues, like, I personally, as a gay man, I think it's okay for gay people to adopt when there are children just sitting in a foster home now, surrogacy, ivf, That's a whole nother topic. And I know there's a lot of people who are even against that for straight couples, so I'll leave that there. But specifically, like, if a gay couple wants to adopt some kids and get them out the foster care system, I think that's completely fine. There's some ways that I think drugs have been mishandled and the way our society looks at them and it's really bad. For example, weed. I think it's unfortunate how, like, commercialized it has become and now it's like, oh, I'm a stoner. When reality, there's so many healthy benefits to it. And if I lean down that route more, that have been cool. Being center, right, mainly is more so on the religious stuff, the gay stuff, and yeah, that's about it. But I feel like for the most part, I'm just someone that, like, I want my guns or my freedom to raise kids, and I want a border. And, like, I'm just chilling.
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A
You know, when you put it that way, it sounds like the bare minimum, you know, like, just let me live in peace and with the freedoms that are our. Our u. S. Military members fought for the bare minimum. I have a clip I want to show you. Let's play it really quick. They provided $0 to deal with the
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B
ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQIA plus this is abhorrent.
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A
Okay, Loki, she kind of ate that up. Like, did not stutter. Did not look at her notes. Like, it looked as if she had been practicing that for off the top. Do you know before, if you don't, I'm going to tell you. Do you know what MMI W G stands for?
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B
Mm. I'm gay. This is sad. This is sad. M. Missing. Missing.
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A
Missing.
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B
Tell me, what is it?
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A
Missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. When I saw this, I. I had to look it up because again, I'm like, what is MMIWG2S? Like, there were other letters. There were two Q's in there. I had to look it up. So it stands for missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. And two spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual. So I'm thinking about this for a second. I'm like, wait, why are we adding murdered people to the LGBTQ community? Like, literally, why is being murdered now a queer identity? So I guess my question for you is why do they keep adding letters if there's a plus sign at the end? Like, isn't that what the plus sign is for?
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B
They keep adding letters because I personally feel like they're bored and they don't want to dry up all the money and the funds, and they just need donations to keep coming in. So they need. Need to come up with more excuses because in large part, I think gay. Gay rights in this country, gay people, the lgb, lesbian, gay, bi's, they were fine. After gay marriage. We see on all the charts, respect for gay people is going up. More people, relax. It was chill. We're just like normal. But then these nonprofits, really, a goal of a nonprofit is to dissolve itself. You're solving a problem and then you're dissolving. Like, you're paying attention to it, raising awareness, and then boom, the end goal. Hopefully your mission solved, complete. Now when you go to these LGBTQ orgs, whether it's Glenson, glaad whatever it may be. You see trans issues, you see queer issues, you see identity issues. It has nothing to do with the gay community. And that's just how there's finessing it and getting more money and all these terms. And when I read that mmi, lg, Asia tv, qv, Skittle Squad, community, that whole acronym, I'm sitting here like, it's just murdered people. I guess we should be paying attention. Like the mission, what they're trying to do, is it wrong? Like, yeah, you need to pay attention to murdered people. But why is it a hyper focus on the type of person that is murdered? Yeah, just focus on murdered people.
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A
Yeah. No. So many questions when I saw that. But. But it seems as if it's at a point too where even their own side can't really keep up. Even the people who are like the most bought in and who really believe those things advocate for those things, you know, even elected officials who represent those things, it seems as if even they can't keep up. We saw a video actually of Scott
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B
Weiner, who is a. I just saw that yesterday.
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A
Crazy, right? Like he's one of the most, if not the most pro trans, he's openly gay. Like, like probably the most far left state representative in the entire country for sure. Now the potential, you know, would be Pelosi, but even still, I mean, he was like eaten by his own at a San Francisco Trans Pride march because he wasn't parroting enough of the pro Palestine talking points. As a Jewish man. So do you feel like there's a faction of, whether it be the LGBTQ community or maybe just, I guess the extreme far left, or maybe it exists on both sides. I'd love to hear your take. That is willing to eat its own if they're not bought fully in. No discrepancies, no disagreements on any topic ever.
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B
Yeah, you definitely do see a faction of this on both sides. But it's ironic to hear it come from the left that is constantly screaming inclusivity, diversity, love, inclusion, when that they're everything but that they're all for diversity of representation. Oh, you're black, cool, you're light skinned, cool, you're gay, you're queer, you're trans, it's awesome. But when it comes to diversity of thought, when it comes to different ideas, they don't stand for that. This literally just happened to me on Sunday. On Sunday with my friends, we're researching different things about adoption and I come across these gay dads. They're very chill, they seem moderate, just like Living their life. They're like, oh, we didn't want to do IVF or surrogacy. We just want to adopt, you know, get some kids out the foster care, whatever. We're talking about that. We're talking about different hobbies that we have. We both live down here in the south, whatever it may be. We're just chatting. And then I go back to message them, route did. They blocked me. They blocked me on everything. I was like, what did I do? And what? They had like three accounts. I messaged one account. I was like, what happened? They're like, oh, we saw your YouTube account and you're just extremely homophobic. Transphobic. And we don't stand for that.
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A
So, like, homophobic is a gay man.
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B
Hello. And I'm sitting here like, you're the one talking about the country's too divided, but you're actively doing the dividing. You don't want to hear me out. You're. Truth be told, you're a white gay man telling me, a black gay man, that I deserve to be silenced because of my views. When it's. You would think you'd be the first one to hype me up. Like, you're all for this diversity and stuff. Until I start speaking different, I'll speak how you want me to speak. And literally on my gay playlist, on my YouTube where I taught all these gay videos, I have an interview with Blair White, who's a trans person. I'm like, there's trans people that talk about these same issues, but they're like, well, they're not the right type of trans. They're like, self hating trans. You're a self hating gay. I'm like, you can't win. So, yeah, there's this type of people on a lot that eats their own constantly. And that's what's pushing people more to the right. Like, if you're gonna tell somebody, if you're gonna say somebody is in the middle, they're moderate, they're chilling, and they say, hey, I'm cool with trans adults. You do you. I don't agree with it, but like, whatever. But let's. When it comes to the kids, maybe let's leave them alone. And the left wants to call them transphobic for that, homophobic for that. They're just gonna stand in that. Well, I guess, okay, I guess I am transphobic. If I don't want to mutilate little children. I guess I am homophobic, Danny. So they're actually creating the hate that they don't want. And it's so backwards to me.
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A
I'm sitting here listening to this and I've been thinking over the past, I mean, I guess few years now, but it's, it's almost as if, like, is there a solution for those people, though? The people who, I mean, who are so quick to block you, I mean, to just cut off communication, they don't want to hear you out. They don't want to listen to anything you have to say. They're not willing to watch your videos. It's almost as if they don't want to know the truth. They want to keep living in oblivion or, you know, just naive to the world around them. Like, is there an antidote for that? Or do you think like, like, where do we, I guess, go from there? Or I guess where we are currently, where the division is so stark.
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B
I think what it's going to take is more people to get canceled by their own because they're the ones that's being pushed over. Like, well, I have no friends. Let me just look up these things. What they're telling me, I'm so hateful about. There's that route and, and more celebrities, more mainstream people coming out and like saying these types of things. So when little Yachty boldly, it was on the Quinlan Blackwell cooking show. And when little Yachty was like a Bs, a scam, those little things like that send more black people down. Like, oh, is it a scam? Little Yachty said it was a scam. Oh my gosh. And then when you have somebody like Scott Wiener who just had a rude awaken wake up call, like, I felt a little bad for him. Like, he's like about to start crying. He's like, oh my gosh, I've done so much for this community and now they're canceling me. Someone like him is going to be thinking like, damn, this has gone too far. I think that side of people, it's growing slowly. It is. But I see how fast my YouTube channel is growing. I see how, like the comments I'm reading from these people, like, oh, I thought I was alone. Like, you're putting thoughts to words I didn't say. Or like, you know, I, yeah, I just thought I was alone. And that whole side of people that are acknowledging how crazy the love has become, they're, they're coming out and it's slowly but surely. But I think it's going to need a lot of help from more mainstream outlets, mainstream celebrities and people just having more honest conversations and more the delusion being highlighted.
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A
No, I Agree with you. And, and I, I do think we're starting to slowly see that change. Right. You have like Nicki Minaj, you had Spencer Pratt who ran for, for mayor in la, and all of these are little things or maybe big things that can ultimately lead to, to real and lasting cultural or social change.
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B
Yes.
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A
One thing I wanted to ask you about something that I've noticed about your page is correct me if I'm wrong, but you tend to keep a lot of your private life, you know, off of social media or your personal life more, more private. I've noticed you don't show much of your like, romantic life online. Tell me about that. Because when I first saw this. Well, first of all, it's what we've kind of implemented with our daughter for several, several reasons. But I, I'd love to hear, you know, your thoughts on this and why you do it.
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B
Yeah, I just think, you know, keep your private life private. I try to model it just like Beyonce a little bit in that she only like, I feel like Beyonce and I feel like it's pretty much her, is the only celebrity that is still just her music. Like you hear maybe little tiny blips of her political views in her concerts for the most part. Even her fan base is like, yo, you don't post anything, you don't talk to us, you don't tell about your music coming out. It's only just the music. So for me, you're getting my content, you're getting my thoughts and I'm dipping. I don't post anything on top of social media, I don't talk about my vacations, I don't talk about love life, I'm talking about anything because I like to keep that side of life just private. Now my memberships, I get a little more glimpse into my life a little bit and little trips that I'm on, little vlogs. But for the most part, yeah, I just keep it private because the Internet's crazy. It is crazy. And I like the peace that it brings of just not having everything online now. Not even to say when I'm out in public, people don't meet who I'm with or the friends. We don't sit here and talk. Yeah, if I'm in public, like I'm all for it. But as far as making content online and putting it out there, there's something special to me about like reserving some things of your life for your life. And it doesn't make you fake, doesn't make you two faced. It's literally just that you follow me because of my thoughts. You follow me because of the content that I make. Yes. You want to build that more personal tie to me. But keyword personal. I keep it personal. Like, in the day I ever adopt a kid, like, no one's ever going to know. Find out who knows? I have one now. Like, no one would ever know. I mean, people still forget that. They don't even think, like, oh, wait, Amir's married. Oh, my gosh, you didn't even know that. I'm like, yeah, and kudos to some people. Some people still think I'm straight, which I don't know how that happens, but some people even go the extent of that. And, yeah, it's just nice just having it private and just keeping some things to yourself.
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A
I feel like as someone who, like, creates content followers, not. Not even speaking for myself, or maybe this isn't what you feel, but just watching other people online, like, I don't know, if you are on Tick Tock and you follow, what's her name? Michaela Naguera. Do you know what I'm talking about? She's like the makeup girl. Well, she's talks about her divorce and everything, but I read the comments, and people feel as if they're, like, owed that. Like, they feel like they're entitled to her personal, private life. And so what do you make of these, like, parasocial relationships nowadays? I realized that we were absolutely doomed as a society when Sydney Sweeney was able to sell her bath water out in, like, a matter of seconds. But not just that. Like, I feel like if you reveal and post parts of your life that you choose on social, then people demand access to all of it. There's no privacy. There's nothing that's off limits. Everything is fair game. There's just, like, this sense of entitlement.
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B
I feel it depends. I've seen it depends on what you're posting. It depends on what you're talking about and the sphere that you're in. So, for example, if. I mean, the main thing I could think about is, for example, Beyonce has a pair of twins. The boy is always at home. The boys, there's maybe two pictures of the boy out there. The girl, she's always out at events with her big sister, with her dad or her mom. Like, they're always out doing something. And people feel like they're owed to see what the boys up to. Like, where's the other toy? And how come he doesn't get the same spotlight? And it's because he doesn't want That I think the parasocial relationships, they're a blessing and a curse with the one end is super fun, building this community. I've have YouTubers that I've been watching since I was in middle school. And I'm like, yo, I like, kind of know you. Like, it's crazy watching you grow up and watch your path and watch you grow. But on the other end, you don't know them, you don't know me, you don't know Riley. And so it can get a little uncomfortable in certain spaces. Like, I always tell people, if you see me in public, just tell me, just say hi. But when I go online, I go on my Instagram DMs and I get a picture of myself eating dinner or out and about. I'm like, okay, that's. Come on. But the people that feel like they're owed something, if I'm putting myself in their shoes, I see it for a split second. Because at the end of the day, we only have an income because of the people that watch us.
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A
That's right.
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B
So they feel a little power in that. And like, well, you know, I'm the one that does this. But at the end of the day too, you are one follower. Like, you can unfollow me and my whole life's not going to crumble down. So I'm not owed to give you every little aspect about my life. It's not. You don't need that unless I've been teasing it and like I've been giving you a little bit of access in my life and I feel like you, I owe you all of it. No, even then. But it is interesting. It's weird. It is odd.
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A
What do you make of James Charles?
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B
A hot mess express.
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A
I've talked about him on the show before. Specifically the whole like, spirit Airlines, like, debacle that he got into with one of his followers demanding money. He went online, said she was lazy. Whatever, Whatever. What do you make of James Charles?
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B
I think his delivery on that story, if we're talking about like not James Charles as like the person and influence and all his. All his conspir. Conspiracies, but all his like all the controversies. Just the Spirit Airlines thing that happened. His delivery was wrong, but he was like kind of low key. Right. But you don't know if for those that listening that aren't really familiar, basically the whole Spirits Airlines obviously went under. Black people lost their jobs. And this woman that wasn't even following James Charles just hit him up and was like, hey, here's my GoFundMe. Or, like, I need money. Give me money, please. And James popped off because he's tired of people coming into DMs asking for money. And as a creator, like, I get them all the time. I get GoFundMe links all the time. I get the sob stories all the time. And if that was the case, I would just turn into GoFundMe. If you really want to give money, you can go to gofundme website and you can just donate to random people. And my page, as much as I hate, like, telling people no, and I feel bad, like, I can't dedicate every single time of my life to just promoting these GoFundMe pages. And this sob story, this soft story helps this person help this person. I would run dry. I just would. The same thing can be applied to America. As far as us having a legal border and a legal right to becoming a citizen. We can't be the person to take in everybody from the planet, because we'd be taking in everybody. If you're making. If you're making $30,000 in the United States, you're in the top 1% of the entire world. So we can't take in every single person and give them a new life. Otherwise, we wouldn't be who we are today. I wouldn't be who I am today if my only content is sitting here promoting GoFundMe links. Like, I'm sorry. And. And I get you're subscribed to me. I get you feel like I owe you something, but I don't. But I still give back all the time, randomly. I'll see someone, like a comment. I'll be a little nosy. You know, sometimes I'm bored on the couch and I'll tap through their page and I'm actually just had a baby boom. I'm buy something for their registry or. Oh, Christmas is coming up. Oh, my gosh. Like, this woman, her family, they're so cute. I mean, like, buy them a switch. I'll do stuff like that all the time. But that's, like, on my account. But if you come in, my DMs trying to insinuate any demand for something. I don't owe you that. What about you?
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A
No, I'm. I'm right there with you. I absolutely agreed with his take there. And I think, again, maybe it's because you and I see it all the time, so maybe we have a different perspective than those who. Who don't. But my entire, like, especially if you go to Instagram and You go to like the spam part.
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B
Yes, the request folder.
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A
And it's the same thing where I would. I would love. It's teachers who are reaching out about the registry. They're about to start their kindergarten class. Like, I would love to help fulfill every dream you have, but it's impossible to do. But I agree his delivery, I think especially just with the platform that he has, the followers that he has. Yeah, I was shocked that he even posted it initially. What did you think was going to
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B
be the response when he was lazy? Go get a job. And it's like, okay, James, calm down. No, I will say in the year 2026, there's no reason to be broke. I will tell you this right now. I think the easiest way to get money is go ahead. I don't care how much debt you in credit score, nothing. Find you a way to lease a car. Lease a cheap car. Preferably, like, lease like maybe a Tesla Model 3. That way you save on gas money. And then, boom. Take that car immediately. Sign up for doordash and Uber eats and postmates and do that 12 hours a day. Build your little safety in that pocket. Boom. Go find a different job, but still do the side hustle. Then, boom, find another job. Easy. Like, there's ways to scale up out of a problem, but like to just sit here and beg influencers. No.
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A
Yeah, no, Agreed. Okay, last thing for you. What's your hot take that you feel like would get you canceled?
[31:43]
B
Hot take that I think would get me canceled.
[31:46]
A
I'll tell you mine. I said on the Internet that I hated mashed potatoes. And it was like World War III pause.
[31:52]
B
Like, I love mashed potatoes and the chunky ones with a little bit the potato.
[31:57]
A
Like, I'll. I'll just gag thinking about it.
[31:59]
B
So good. I guess my hot take would be I dip my cookies in water.
[32:03]
A
Oh, you do do that.
[32:05]
B
Yeah, for years. Like, I've been doing this since I was 6 years old. I dip my cookies in water and ate my cereal with water. Honey bunches of oats with a water and some crushed ice gas. And if you really want to bust it down, go ghetto style, you get you a bowl of hot Cocoa Puffs, get you Cocoa Puffs, get it with water. Eat the Cocoa Puffs and take that leftover water, juice the chocolate juice, microwave it, put a little sugar in it, and they have hot chocolate gas.
[32:30]
A
Honestly, it's innovative. It's innovative. Like a little DIY hack. I think I could get behind maybe the second part of that, but that would Force me to then, like, eat Cocoa Puffs with water and that. Listen, a criminal offense. Like, we need President Trump to sign an executive order right now.
[32:47]
B
First off, you're made of water. And quite literally, you. Most of your life has been spent in water.
[32:54]
A
That's a good point.
[32:55]
B
So dipping a cookie in water, less calories. It still tastes good. It don't. It doesn't. Negative. It doesn't negate any taste of the cookie. It's gas. I'm gonna send you some. I'm gonna get. I'm sending some delivery cookies to your house.
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A
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[36:00]
B
And I'll tell you, I get so much love for you on my page. Like I've commentated on you quite a bit when it comes to talk about the trans issues and transports and oh my gosh, I love her. I love her. Get on the channel. Get on channel. And so we'll have to bring you on the channel too. And they would fall over. They would kill over.
[36:17]
A
Come on. Well, you rock, Amir. Thank you very much.
[36:20]
B
Thank you so much.
[36:22]
A
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The Riley Gaines Show

Amir Odom on Leaving the LGBTQ Movement, Identity Politics, and Keeping Life Private
Original Air Date: June 30, 2026

Episode Overview

In this candid episode, Riley Gaines invites YouTuber and commentator Amir Odom to discuss his journey leaving the modern LGBTQ movement, his views on identity politics, the state of Black Lives Matter, experiences with groupthink and "cancellation," maintaining boundaries in the digital era, and hot takes that might get him “canceled.” The conversation is challenging, sharp, and often humorous, pushing back against cultural and political conformity from a centrist, independent perspective.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amir’s Disassociation from LGBTQ Movement

[01:40 – 02:12]

Amir gives his blunt take on Pride Month and why he doesn’t align with the current LGBTQ movement:

"The current state of it is a hot mess. It's a hot mess express. ...15 years ago, sure, possibly. But now, knowing that the community honestly just stands for trans kids, trans women in sports, drag queens in front of children, and just—just debauchery out in the streets. No, I don't really stand for that. And it's sad what it's become." (Amir, 01:40)

2. Identity, Intersectionality, and Breaking Out of Boxes

[02:12 – 04:33]

Amir describes being pressured to identify with group politics due to being both Black and gay, but ultimately rejecting the need to “fit in a box.”

"I was always told that I have to be this, like, raging Democrat, that white people hate me, that I'm gonna die living in America. ...But 10 to 20 [Black people shot by police, not 10,000], which is still bad, but, like, it's not the extent of what I was told." (Amir, 02:44)
Emphasizes personal experience of ideological freedom and how many in his audiences (both Black and gay) feel similarly outside of the mainstream.

3. Victimhood Culture & The Carmelo Anthony Case

[04:33 – 07:28]

Riley and Amir discuss a recent high-profile case and the culture of seeking oppression status.

"There's a lot of black people out there that, you know, if you aren't oppressed, your whole worldview is destructed..." (Amir, 05:25)
Critiques selective outrage and the "mental state" fostered by media and activist groups.

4. Black Lives Matter: What Happened?

[07:28 – 09:10]

On the rise and “dormancy” of BLM, post-2020:

"They were out there scamming the black folk for their money. ...I think people are still rooting and tooting behind this whole Black Lives Matter. ...But right now I say, yeah, it's just dormant until something happens, unfortunately." (Amir, 08:06)

5. Trump & Political Alignments

[09:10 – 10:34]

Amir notes that Trump’s brash authenticity used to resonate with many Black Americans—referencing music and pop culture, until controversies shifted the narrative.

"...There's a lot of black people who resonate with him because of how real he is, how authentic and brash Trump is." (Amir, 09:40)

6. Why “Center-Right”? On Religion, Gay Rights, and Law

[10:34 – 12:15]

Amir breaks down why he identifies as politically center-right—not fully conservative, particularly around religion and adoption rights:

"As a gay man, I think it's okay for gay people to adopt when there are children just sitting in a foster home... For the most part, I'm just someone that, like, I want my guns or my freedom to raise kids, and I want a border. And, like, I'm just chilling." (Amir, 10:53)

7. "Alphabet Soup": Why Do LGBTQ Acronyms Keep Expanding?

[12:35 – 15:22]

Riley reads a lengthy, convoluted queer acronym—MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+—expressing confusion at its ever-growing length and inclusion of issues like “murdered people.”
Amir’s sharp response:

"They keep adding letters because ...they just need donations to keep coming in. ...The goal of a nonprofit is to dissolve itself ...you see these LGBTQ orgs... you see trans issues, you see queer issues, you see identity issues. It has nothing to do with the gay community." (Amir, 13:56)

8. Groupthink and Eating Their Own: Ideological Purity on the Left

[15:44 – 19:11]

Anecdotes of extremist purity, like Scott Weiner being targeted at a Trans Pride march for not being pro-Palestine enough.

"You see a faction of this on both sides. ...But it's ironic to hear it come from the left that's constantly screaming inclusivity..." (Amir, 16:34)
Shares personal experience of being blocked by other gay men for being "homophobic" because of his centrist views, despite being gay himself.

9. Is There an Antidote to Cancel Culture?

[19:11 – 21:17]

Amir thinks people being “canceled by their own” will eventually shift things and encourages more celebrities to speak out.

"...I think what it's going to take is more people to get canceled by their own because they're the ones that's being pushed over. Like, well, I have no friends. Let me just look up these things..." (Amir, 19:50)

10. Privacy and Parasocial Relationships

[21:36 – 27:23]

Amir explains why he keeps his personal life off social media, taking cues from Beyoncé’s model of celebrity. Discusses the entitlement followers sometimes have over creators’ lives.

"There's something special to me about like reserving some things of your life for your life. ...You follow me because of my thoughts. ...Keyword: personal." (Amir, 22:07)
Both hosts joke about the bizarre things fans feel entitled to—like Sydney Sweeney selling her bathwater:

"I realized that we were absolutely doomed as a society when Sydney Sweeney was able to sell her bath water out in, like, a matter of seconds." (Riley, 24:19)

11. On James Charles, Demands, and Online Entitlement

[27:23 – 31:35]

Discussion of James Charles’s controversial exchange about people begging for financial help in DMs. Amir extrapolates to America’s approach to borders and charity:

"As a creator, ...I get GoFundMe links all the time. I get the sob stories all the time. And if that was the case, I would just turn into GoFundMe." (Amir, 27:43) "We can't be the person to take in everybody from the planet, because we'd be taking in everybody." (Amir, 29:46)

12. Hot Takes That Could Get You Canceled

[31:35 – 32:55]

Riley: Dislikes mashed potatoes—"World War III" on the internet.
Amir: Dips cookies and eats cereal with water, which shocks but amuses Riley.

"I dip my cookies in water and ate my cereal with water...and if you really want to bust it down, go ghetto style...take that leftover water, microwave it...and then you have hot chocolate. Gas." (Amir, 32:04)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“If you aren’t oppressed, your whole worldview is destructed.” (Amir, 05:25)
“You’re the one talking about the country’s too divided, but you’re actively doing the dividing." (Amir, 17:46)
“The goal of a nonprofit is to dissolve itself... now you see all these LGBTQ orgs... you see identity issues, it has nothing to do with the gay community.” (Amir, 13:56)
“You follow me because of my thoughts. ...Keyword personal. I keep it personal.” (Amir, 22:07)
“In the year 2026, there’s no reason to be broke...find a way to lease a car...sign up for Doordash and Uber Eats...then, boom, find another job—easy.” (Amir, 30:46)

Timestamps for Key Segments

01:40 – Amir critiques the state of the LGBTQ movement
04:33 – Discussion on Black victimhood culture & Carmelo Anthony case
08:06 – What happened to BLM?
09:40 – Does Trump resonate with Black voters?
10:53 – Why Amir is center-right, not conservative
13:56 – Why LGBTQ keeps expanding its acronym
16:34 – The “eating their own” phenomenon and groupthink
19:50 – How cancellation by “their own” may cause people to wake up
22:07 – Why Amir keeps his private life offline
24:19 – Parasocial relationships and social media entitlement
27:43 – On James Charles and asking creators for money
31:35 – Hot takes: mashed potatoes and cookies with water

Episode Tone

The episode is unfiltered, conversational, and humorous, with moments of honest frustration about cultural trends and a shared desire for basic decency, free thought, and personal boundaries in a performative, digital era.

Final Thoughts

Riley thanks Amir for his authenticity and promises to join his YouTube channel for a future discussion. The episode closes on a lighthearted note, recapping the importance of both honesty and boundaries in today’s cultural landscape.

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[00:02]
A
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[01:41]
B
I think the current state of it is a hot mess. It's a hot mess express. There's a lot of different things going on out there, a lot of things that I don't stand for, hence why I don't really feel represented or staying with the LGBTQ community, maybe 15 years ago, if you asked me, was it like, sure, possibly. But now, knowing that the community honestly just stands for trans kids, trans women in sports, drag queens in front of children, and just, just debauchery out in the streets. No, I don't really stand for that. And it's sad what it's become.
[02:13]
A
Give us a little background on you because you're one of these figures who honestly, I admire a lot because I feel like in today's, like, current state of, of social media influencers, if you will, you're very much put into a box of you're either this maga influencer or you're a crazy leftist, but you're someone who represents, you know, you. You really don't have to be either of those things. So, so give us a little background on you and maybe where you are on the political spectrum.
[02:45]
B
Yeah. Thank you. So right now, I would say I'm pretty much center right, politically homeless. So you would say. Started making content online. YouTube, around 2023. We're almost at a million subs, which is just blows my mind. But, yeah, I mean, growing up, obviously I'm black, but I'm also gay. And I was always told that I have to be this, like, raging Democrat, that white people hate me, that I'm gonna die living in America. And it wasn't until I started thinking for myself and looking at different videos online and exploring different topics and ideas where I discovered I'm more than that. I discovered black people aren't just getting. I honestly thought, like, 10,000 black kids are getting shot and armed by the cops every year. 10,000. Whole time ending on. But 10 to 20, which is still bad, but, like, it's not the extent of what I was told. And then the whole gay side, I mean, I've always known I was gay, but they tried to block me in this box of I have to fit into the LGBTQ community on top of, oh, I'm black. I have to fit into the black community and lock myself in this ideological box of what a black guy and a gay guy supposed to be. And the more I've grown up, the more I realize that I don't have to fall into that. Nobody does. And you're allowed to just be yourself. You're allowed to just have sane point of views and be chill. And I've learned throughout making all this content online on YouTube, you have the mass community out there of writing people that feel the same way. I have a large following of black Americans that feel like they don't have to lock themselves into this. Having a black card, being a Democrat, and, like, hating white people, and have a large gay audience that says, hey, I don't feel represented in the gay community. I feel like the modern LGBTQ community is taking away our rights, is really sending us down a dark path. And I'm just here to highlight the perspectives that aren't really shown the most.
[04:33]
A
You know, it feels relevant to talk about, given that it's. It's, you know, been national news over the past few weeks is the Carmelo Anthony case and some of the discussion that we have seen online from African Americans about what the ruling was, the verdict. What do you make of that? I mean, it seemed like, to me, obviously, as a white person, you know, outside looking into to the online discussion here, it almost appears as if there's a faction of society that that like, wants to be oppressed, which I think is a super weird, you know, position to be in where you almost want to be marginalized, you want to be the victim. And maybe it makes sense because when you're, you know, oppressed, it's better than being the oppressor because you're actually owed something. But. But I'd love to hear your perspective specifically surrounding the Carmelo Anthony discussion.
[05:25]
B
There's a lot of black people out there that, you know, you, if you aren't oppressed and your whole worldview is destructed, so to say. So when I see the crowds of people outside that hearing and they're crying and they're angry, and I understand it a little bit because I was there, especially back in 2016, 2017, March on BLM, I was crying in the streets because I was literally under psychosis. Like I was brainwashed by the media by, you know, mainstream liberal black celebrities, that I was a victim and that everything's to blame for white people in slavery and that's that. So there are people that are trapped into this mental state of where like, I'm always being oppressed, I'm always nothing. And. And they locked themselves in that box. But in regards to the whole Carmelo and everything that happened there, it is wrong that he got stabbed. I'm glad the guy is going to jail. I just think that what I've seen from the black community is there one. It irritates me that they have this amount of energy for this one case where a black kid stabbed a white kid and the black kid goes to jail. They're so angry about it. But that literally happens every single day in Chicago and it's crickets. Like they don't acknowledge any type of black on black crime ever. But I have seen that people are more so upset at the how he's in jail. But there's other cases where they're like for example, the Rick Chow case, I don't know if you've been familiar with that. This Asian guy that chased a black guy out his gas station, shot him in the back like 150 yards down the street and he got away scot free. There's black people that are more upset and like throwing the blame somewhere else when reality doesn't seem to look the so church for what it is. And it was wrong. You can't just go up and stab somebody. No matter what he said, no matter how they're fighting what they're doing, you don't do that. So I don't know, it's just, it's sad to see how loud they are over something that happens every single day in our own communities.
[07:28]
A
Yeah. What do you make of. I don't feel like I've heard much about, you know, the current state of BLM as an organization. Right. Obviously, back in 2020, 2021, this was an organization that, that, you know, profited, I think is the right word to use off of the. The death of George Floyd. Do you know where the organization is now? Do we know who's, if anyone, is still benefiting from this? Because I, I can certainly recall headlines where, you know, some of the, the people who head up the organization, they were living in like 14, 15 million DOL. You know, so. So what's the current state of blm? Do you know?
[08:07]
B
They were out there scamming the black folk for their money? The current state of it, I would say it's dormant. It came out a little bit for the Carmel Anthony situation. I think we're going to see it a lot more when it comes to this next presidential race because, you know, they only pop up when someone's gonna be running for president. Something's gonna happen, they're gonna come out, they'll be marching the street, tearing down the cities, and it'll be interesting to see them pop out again. Because I do know from 2020 to now, I mean, it's night and day difference within black community. And how many black people have woken up to understand and know that BLM was a scam? I mean, the rapper Lil Yachty talks about how BLM was a scam and they're just stealing money. So I think the organization is dormant. I think people are still rooting and tooting behind this whole Black lives Matter. We're all in there. You gotta have your black car support black people. But I'm very curious to see if something else major were to happen, would it have the same effect as George Floyd did? I don't think it would, but right now I say, yeah, it's just dormant until something happens, unfortunately.
[09:11]
A
Do you think that President Trump resonates well with. With black voters, especially those who, you know, are relatively tuned in and they don't have to know everything that's going on politically. I don't think as human beings, we were actually even designed to keep up with everything going on. But they watch the press conferences, they see President Trump, whether you like him or not, he is funny and like, he's very charismatic and he says what's on his mind. Like, do you think that resonates yeah,
[09:40]
B
And I think it always have. Like, if you look at how many times Donald Trump is referenced in rap music, especially during his, like when he was doing the Apprentice and he was like the hot shot man, like that. There's so many rap songs about Donald Trump in the black community, loving Donald Trump. It wasn't really until that Charlottesville, when they're like, oh, there's good people on both sides. When that whole scam debacle that really took down how most black people feel about Trump, but off the bat yet, there's a lot of black people who resonate with him because of how real he is, how authentic and brash Trump is. That resonates with a lot of people in the black community and they vibe with that nowadays. I don't really know because I know that's a whole nother topic of, like, the support for Trump, but. But all in all, yeah, like, that type of boss energy, like, don't really care, like, I'm coming here, say what I want to say. Yeah, that resonates a lot.
[10:34]
A
I am curious, being center, right, what are some of the things that, whether it be President Trump or this administration or the conservative party in general, what are some of the things that maybe have disappointed you or leave you more leaning to the center as opposed to like full fledged conservative?
[10:53]
B
Yeah, I would say more so, honestly, maybe some of the religious things, like, I'm all for you, you know, practicing religion, doing that, living as you may, but really enacting certain things. And then some of the gay rights issues, like, I personally, as a gay man, I think it's okay for gay people to adopt when there are children just sitting in a foster home now, surrogacy, ivf, That's a whole nother topic. And I know there's a lot of people who are even against that for straight couples, so I'll leave that there. But specifically, like, if a gay couple wants to adopt some kids and get them out the foster care system, I think that's completely fine. There's some ways that I think drugs have been mishandled and the way our society looks at them and it's really bad. For example, weed. I think it's unfortunate how, like, commercialized it has become and now it's like, oh, I'm a stoner. When reality, there's so many healthy benefits to it. And if I lean down that route more, that have been cool. Being center, right, mainly is more so on the religious stuff, the gay stuff, and yeah, that's about it. But I feel like for the most part, I'm just someone that, like, I want my guns or my freedom to raise kids, and I want a border. And, like, I'm just chilling.
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A
You know, when you put it that way, it sounds like the bare minimum, you know, like, just let me live in peace and with the freedoms that are our. Our u. S. Military members fought for the bare minimum. I have a clip I want to show you. Let's play it really quick. They provided $0 to deal with the
[12:35]
B
ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQIA plus this is abhorrent.
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A
Okay, Loki, she kind of ate that up. Like, did not stutter. Did not look at her notes. Like, it looked as if she had been practicing that for off the top. Do you know before, if you don't, I'm going to tell you. Do you know what MMI W G stands for?
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B
Mm. I'm gay. This is sad. This is sad. M. Missing. Missing.
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A
Missing.
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B
Tell me, what is it?
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A
Missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. When I saw this, I. I had to look it up because again, I'm like, what is MMIWG2S? Like, there were other letters. There were two Q's in there. I had to look it up. So it stands for missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. And two spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual. So I'm thinking about this for a second. I'm like, wait, why are we adding murdered people to the LGBTQ community? Like, literally, why is being murdered now a queer identity? So I guess my question for you is why do they keep adding letters if there's a plus sign at the end? Like, isn't that what the plus sign is for?
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B
They keep adding letters because I personally feel like they're bored and they don't want to dry up all the money and the funds, and they just need donations to keep coming in. So they need. Need to come up with more excuses because in large part, I think gay. Gay rights in this country, gay people, the lgb, lesbian, gay, bi's, they were fine. After gay marriage. We see on all the charts, respect for gay people is going up. More people, relax. It was chill. We're just like normal. But then these nonprofits, really, a goal of a nonprofit is to dissolve itself. You're solving a problem and then you're dissolving. Like, you're paying attention to it, raising awareness, and then boom, the end goal. Hopefully your mission solved, complete. Now when you go to these LGBTQ orgs, whether it's Glenson, glaad whatever it may be. You see trans issues, you see queer issues, you see identity issues. It has nothing to do with the gay community. And that's just how there's finessing it and getting more money and all these terms. And when I read that mmi, lg, Asia tv, qv, Skittle Squad, community, that whole acronym, I'm sitting here like, it's just murdered people. I guess we should be paying attention. Like the mission, what they're trying to do, is it wrong? Like, yeah, you need to pay attention to murdered people. But why is it a hyper focus on the type of person that is murdered? Yeah, just focus on murdered people.
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A
Yeah. No. So many questions when I saw that. But. But it seems as if it's at a point too where even their own side can't really keep up. Even the people who are like the most bought in and who really believe those things advocate for those things, you know, even elected officials who represent those things, it seems as if even they can't keep up. We saw a video actually of Scott
[15:44]
B
Weiner, who is a. I just saw that yesterday.
[15:47]
A
Crazy, right? Like he's one of the most, if not the most pro trans, he's openly gay. Like, like probably the most far left state representative in the entire country for sure. Now the potential, you know, would be Pelosi, but even still, I mean, he was like eaten by his own at a San Francisco Trans Pride march because he wasn't parroting enough of the pro Palestine talking points. As a Jewish man. So do you feel like there's a faction of, whether it be the LGBTQ community or maybe just, I guess the extreme far left, or maybe it exists on both sides. I'd love to hear your take. That is willing to eat its own if they're not bought fully in. No discrepancies, no disagreements on any topic ever.
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B
Yeah, you definitely do see a faction of this on both sides. But it's ironic to hear it come from the left that is constantly screaming inclusivity, diversity, love, inclusion, when that they're everything but that they're all for diversity of representation. Oh, you're black, cool, you're light skinned, cool, you're gay, you're queer, you're trans, it's awesome. But when it comes to diversity of thought, when it comes to different ideas, they don't stand for that. This literally just happened to me on Sunday. On Sunday with my friends, we're researching different things about adoption and I come across these gay dads. They're very chill, they seem moderate, just like Living their life. They're like, oh, we didn't want to do IVF or surrogacy. We just want to adopt, you know, get some kids out the foster care, whatever. We're talking about that. We're talking about different hobbies that we have. We both live down here in the south, whatever it may be. We're just chatting. And then I go back to message them, route did. They blocked me. They blocked me on everything. I was like, what did I do? And what? They had like three accounts. I messaged one account. I was like, what happened? They're like, oh, we saw your YouTube account and you're just extremely homophobic. Transphobic. And we don't stand for that.
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A
So, like, homophobic is a gay man.
[17:47]
B
Hello. And I'm sitting here like, you're the one talking about the country's too divided, but you're actively doing the dividing. You don't want to hear me out. You're. Truth be told, you're a white gay man telling me, a black gay man, that I deserve to be silenced because of my views. When it's. You would think you'd be the first one to hype me up. Like, you're all for this diversity and stuff. Until I start speaking different, I'll speak how you want me to speak. And literally on my gay playlist, on my YouTube where I taught all these gay videos, I have an interview with Blair White, who's a trans person. I'm like, there's trans people that talk about these same issues, but they're like, well, they're not the right type of trans. They're like, self hating trans. You're a self hating gay. I'm like, you can't win. So, yeah, there's this type of people on a lot that eats their own constantly. And that's what's pushing people more to the right. Like, if you're gonna tell somebody, if you're gonna say somebody is in the middle, they're moderate, they're chilling, and they say, hey, I'm cool with trans adults. You do you. I don't agree with it, but like, whatever. But let's. When it comes to the kids, maybe let's leave them alone. And the left wants to call them transphobic for that, homophobic for that. They're just gonna stand in that. Well, I guess, okay, I guess I am transphobic. If I don't want to mutilate little children. I guess I am homophobic, Danny. So they're actually creating the hate that they don't want. And it's so backwards to me.
[19:12]
A
I'm sitting here listening to this and I've been thinking over the past, I mean, I guess few years now, but it's, it's almost as if, like, is there a solution for those people, though? The people who, I mean, who are so quick to block you, I mean, to just cut off communication, they don't want to hear you out. They don't want to listen to anything you have to say. They're not willing to watch your videos. It's almost as if they don't want to know the truth. They want to keep living in oblivion or, you know, just naive to the world around them. Like, is there an antidote for that? Or do you think like, like, where do we, I guess, go from there? Or I guess where we are currently, where the division is so stark.
[19:50]
B
I think what it's going to take is more people to get canceled by their own because they're the ones that's being pushed over. Like, well, I have no friends. Let me just look up these things. What they're telling me, I'm so hateful about. There's that route and, and more celebrities, more mainstream people coming out and like saying these types of things. So when little Yachty boldly, it was on the Quinlan Blackwell cooking show. And when little Yachty was like a Bs, a scam, those little things like that send more black people down. Like, oh, is it a scam? Little Yachty said it was a scam. Oh my gosh. And then when you have somebody like Scott Wiener who just had a rude awaken wake up call, like, I felt a little bad for him. Like, he's like about to start crying. He's like, oh my gosh, I've done so much for this community and now they're canceling me. Someone like him is going to be thinking like, damn, this has gone too far. I think that side of people, it's growing slowly. It is. But I see how fast my YouTube channel is growing. I see how, like the comments I'm reading from these people, like, oh, I thought I was alone. Like, you're putting thoughts to words I didn't say. Or like, you know, I, yeah, I just thought I was alone. And that whole side of people that are acknowledging how crazy the love has become, they're, they're coming out and it's slowly but surely. But I think it's going to need a lot of help from more mainstream outlets, mainstream celebrities and people just having more honest conversations and more the delusion being highlighted.
[21:18]
A
No, I Agree with you. And, and I, I do think we're starting to slowly see that change. Right. You have like Nicki Minaj, you had Spencer Pratt who ran for, for mayor in la, and all of these are little things or maybe big things that can ultimately lead to, to real and lasting cultural or social change.
[21:36]
B
Yes.
[21:37]
A
One thing I wanted to ask you about something that I've noticed about your page is correct me if I'm wrong, but you tend to keep a lot of your private life, you know, off of social media or your personal life more, more private. I've noticed you don't show much of your like, romantic life online. Tell me about that. Because when I first saw this. Well, first of all, it's what we've kind of implemented with our daughter for several, several reasons. But I, I'd love to hear, you know, your thoughts on this and why you do it.
[22:08]
B
Yeah, I just think, you know, keep your private life private. I try to model it just like Beyonce a little bit in that she only like, I feel like Beyonce and I feel like it's pretty much her, is the only celebrity that is still just her music. Like you hear maybe little tiny blips of her political views in her concerts for the most part. Even her fan base is like, yo, you don't post anything, you don't talk to us, you don't tell about your music coming out. It's only just the music. So for me, you're getting my content, you're getting my thoughts and I'm dipping. I don't post anything on top of social media, I don't talk about my vacations, I don't talk about love life, I'm talking about anything because I like to keep that side of life just private. Now my memberships, I get a little more glimpse into my life a little bit and little trips that I'm on, little vlogs. But for the most part, yeah, I just keep it private because the Internet's crazy. It is crazy. And I like the peace that it brings of just not having everything online now. Not even to say when I'm out in public, people don't meet who I'm with or the friends. We don't sit here and talk. Yeah, if I'm in public, like I'm all for it. But as far as making content online and putting it out there, there's something special to me about like reserving some things of your life for your life. And it doesn't make you fake, doesn't make you two faced. It's literally just that you follow me because of my thoughts. You follow me because of the content that I make. Yes. You want to build that more personal tie to me. But keyword personal. I keep it personal. Like, in the day I ever adopt a kid, like, no one's ever going to know. Find out who knows? I have one now. Like, no one would ever know. I mean, people still forget that. They don't even think, like, oh, wait, Amir's married. Oh, my gosh, you didn't even know that. I'm like, yeah, and kudos to some people. Some people still think I'm straight, which I don't know how that happens, but some people even go the extent of that. And, yeah, it's just nice just having it private and just keeping some things to yourself.
[24:19]
A
I feel like as someone who, like, creates content followers, not. Not even speaking for myself, or maybe this isn't what you feel, but just watching other people online, like, I don't know, if you are on Tick Tock and you follow, what's her name? Michaela Naguera. Do you know what I'm talking about? She's like the makeup girl. Well, she's talks about her divorce and everything, but I read the comments, and people feel as if they're, like, owed that. Like, they feel like they're entitled to her personal, private life. And so what do you make of these, like, parasocial relationships nowadays? I realized that we were absolutely doomed as a society when Sydney Sweeney was able to sell her bath water out in, like, a matter of seconds. But not just that. Like, I feel like if you reveal and post parts of your life that you choose on social, then people demand access to all of it. There's no privacy. There's nothing that's off limits. Everything is fair game. There's just, like, this sense of entitlement.
[25:19]
B
I feel it depends. I've seen it depends on what you're posting. It depends on what you're talking about and the sphere that you're in. So, for example, if. I mean, the main thing I could think about is, for example, Beyonce has a pair of twins. The boy is always at home. The boys, there's maybe two pictures of the boy out there. The girl, she's always out at events with her big sister, with her dad or her mom. Like, they're always out doing something. And people feel like they're owed to see what the boys up to. Like, where's the other toy? And how come he doesn't get the same spotlight? And it's because he doesn't want That I think the parasocial relationships, they're a blessing and a curse with the one end is super fun, building this community. I've have YouTubers that I've been watching since I was in middle school. And I'm like, yo, I like, kind of know you. Like, it's crazy watching you grow up and watch your path and watch you grow. But on the other end, you don't know them, you don't know me, you don't know Riley. And so it can get a little uncomfortable in certain spaces. Like, I always tell people, if you see me in public, just tell me, just say hi. But when I go online, I go on my Instagram DMs and I get a picture of myself eating dinner or out and about. I'm like, okay, that's. Come on. But the people that feel like they're owed something, if I'm putting myself in their shoes, I see it for a split second. Because at the end of the day, we only have an income because of the people that watch us.
[26:53]
A
That's right.
[26:53]
B
So they feel a little power in that. And like, well, you know, I'm the one that does this. But at the end of the day too, you are one follower. Like, you can unfollow me and my whole life's not going to crumble down. So I'm not owed to give you every little aspect about my life. It's not. You don't need that unless I've been teasing it and like I've been giving you a little bit of access in my life and I feel like you, I owe you all of it. No, even then. But it is interesting. It's weird. It is odd.
[27:24]
A
What do you make of James Charles?
[27:27]
B
A hot mess express.
[27:29]
A
I've talked about him on the show before. Specifically the whole like, spirit Airlines, like, debacle that he got into with one of his followers demanding money. He went online, said she was lazy. Whatever, Whatever. What do you make of James Charles?
[27:43]
B
I think his delivery on that story, if we're talking about like not James Charles as like the person and influence and all his. All his conspir. Conspiracies, but all his like all the controversies. Just the Spirit Airlines thing that happened. His delivery was wrong, but he was like kind of low key. Right. But you don't know if for those that listening that aren't really familiar, basically the whole Spirits Airlines obviously went under. Black people lost their jobs. And this woman that wasn't even following James Charles just hit him up and was like, hey, here's my GoFundMe. Or, like, I need money. Give me money, please. And James popped off because he's tired of people coming into DMs asking for money. And as a creator, like, I get them all the time. I get GoFundMe links all the time. I get the sob stories all the time. And if that was the case, I would just turn into GoFundMe. If you really want to give money, you can go to gofundme website and you can just donate to random people. And my page, as much as I hate, like, telling people no, and I feel bad, like, I can't dedicate every single time of my life to just promoting these GoFundMe pages. And this sob story, this soft story helps this person help this person. I would run dry. I just would. The same thing can be applied to America. As far as us having a legal border and a legal right to becoming a citizen. We can't be the person to take in everybody from the planet, because we'd be taking in everybody. If you're making. If you're making $30,000 in the United States, you're in the top 1% of the entire world. So we can't take in every single person and give them a new life. Otherwise, we wouldn't be who we are today. I wouldn't be who I am today if my only content is sitting here promoting GoFundMe links. Like, I'm sorry. And. And I get you're subscribed to me. I get you feel like I owe you something, but I don't. But I still give back all the time, randomly. I'll see someone, like a comment. I'll be a little nosy. You know, sometimes I'm bored on the couch and I'll tap through their page and I'm actually just had a baby boom. I'm buy something for their registry or. Oh, Christmas is coming up. Oh, my gosh. Like, this woman, her family, they're so cute. I mean, like, buy them a switch. I'll do stuff like that all the time. But that's, like, on my account. But if you come in, my DMs trying to insinuate any demand for something. I don't owe you that. What about you?
[30:06]
A
No, I'm. I'm right there with you. I absolutely agreed with his take there. And I think, again, maybe it's because you and I see it all the time, so maybe we have a different perspective than those who. Who don't. But my entire, like, especially if you go to Instagram and You go to like the spam part.
[30:23]
B
Yes, the request folder.
[30:25]
A
And it's the same thing where I would. I would love. It's teachers who are reaching out about the registry. They're about to start their kindergarten class. Like, I would love to help fulfill every dream you have, but it's impossible to do. But I agree his delivery, I think especially just with the platform that he has, the followers that he has. Yeah, I was shocked that he even posted it initially. What did you think was going to
[30:47]
B
be the response when he was lazy? Go get a job. And it's like, okay, James, calm down. No, I will say in the year 2026, there's no reason to be broke. I will tell you this right now. I think the easiest way to get money is go ahead. I don't care how much debt you in credit score, nothing. Find you a way to lease a car. Lease a cheap car. Preferably, like, lease like maybe a Tesla Model 3. That way you save on gas money. And then, boom. Take that car immediately. Sign up for doordash and Uber eats and postmates and do that 12 hours a day. Build your little safety in that pocket. Boom. Go find a different job, but still do the side hustle. Then, boom, find another job. Easy. Like, there's ways to scale up out of a problem, but like to just sit here and beg influencers. No.
[31:36]
A
Yeah, no, Agreed. Okay, last thing for you. What's your hot take that you feel like would get you canceled?
[31:43]
B
Hot take that I think would get me canceled.
[31:46]
A
I'll tell you mine. I said on the Internet that I hated mashed potatoes. And it was like World War III pause.
[31:52]
B
Like, I love mashed potatoes and the chunky ones with a little bit the potato.
[31:57]
A
Like, I'll. I'll just gag thinking about it.
[31:59]
B
So good. I guess my hot take would be I dip my cookies in water.
[32:03]
A
Oh, you do do that.
[32:05]
B
Yeah, for years. Like, I've been doing this since I was 6 years old. I dip my cookies in water and ate my cereal with water. Honey bunches of oats with a water and some crushed ice gas. And if you really want to bust it down, go ghetto style, you get you a bowl of hot Cocoa Puffs, get you Cocoa Puffs, get it with water. Eat the Cocoa Puffs and take that leftover water, juice the chocolate juice, microwave it, put a little sugar in it, and they have hot chocolate gas.
[32:30]
A
Honestly, it's innovative. It's innovative. Like a little DIY hack. I think I could get behind maybe the second part of that, but that would Force me to then, like, eat Cocoa Puffs with water and that. Listen, a criminal offense. Like, we need President Trump to sign an executive order right now.
[32:47]
B
First off, you're made of water. And quite literally, you. Most of your life has been spent in water.
[32:54]
A
That's a good point.
[32:55]
B
So dipping a cookie in water, less calories. It still tastes good. It don't. It doesn't. Negative. It doesn't negate any taste of the cookie. It's gas. I'm gonna send you some. I'm gonna get. I'm sending some delivery cookies to your house.
[33:09]
A
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[36:00]
B
And I'll tell you, I get so much love for you on my page. Like I've commentated on you quite a bit when it comes to talk about the trans issues and transports and oh my gosh, I love her. I love her. Get on the channel. Get on channel. And so we'll have to bring you on the channel too. And they would fall over. They would kill over.
[36:17]
A
Come on. Well, you rock, Amir. Thank you very much.
[36:20]
B
Thank you so much.
[36:22]
A
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Amir Odom on Leaving the LGBTQ Movement, Identity Politics, and Keeping Life Private | The Riley Gaines Show

Amir Odom on Leaving the LGBTQ Movement, Identity Politics, and Keeping Life Private | The Riley Gaines Show

The Riley Gaines Show

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amir’s Disassociation from LGBTQ Movement

2. Identity, Intersectionality, and Breaking Out of Boxes

3. Victimhood Culture & The Carmelo Anthony Case

4. Black Lives Matter: What Happened?

5. Trump & Political Alignments

6. Why “Center-Right”? On Religion, Gay Rights, and Law

7. "Alphabet Soup": Why Do LGBTQ Acronyms Keep Expanding?

8. Groupthink and Eating Their Own: Ideological Purity on the Left

9. Is There an Antidote to Cancel Culture?

10. Privacy and Parasocial Relationships

11. On James Charles, Demands, and Online Entitlement

12. Hot Takes That Could Get You Canceled

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Timestamps for Key Segments

Episode Tone

Final Thoughts

The Riley Gaines Show

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amir’s Disassociation from LGBTQ Movement

2. Identity, Intersectionality, and Breaking Out of Boxes

3. Victimhood Culture & The Carmelo Anthony Case

4. Black Lives Matter: What Happened?

5. Trump & Political Alignments

6. Why “Center-Right”? On Religion, Gay Rights, and Law

7. "Alphabet Soup": Why Do LGBTQ Acronyms Keep Expanding?

8. Groupthink and Eating Their Own: Ideological Purity on the Left

9. Is There an Antidote to Cancel Culture?

10. Privacy and Parasocial Relationships

11. On James Charles, Demands, and Online Entitlement

12. Hot Takes That Could Get You Canceled

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Timestamps for Key Segments

Episode Tone

Final Thoughts