9 Players We’re Not Drafting This Year

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: "9 Players We’re Not Drafting This Year"
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
Date: August 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the annual debated topic: which players the hosts are simply not drafting for 2025 fantasy football. Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck break down their "do not touch" lists—discussing overvalued talents, potential regression candidates, and situations ripe for disappointment, while peppering in their irreverent banter and observational humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Rashee Rice’s Suspension & Kansas City WRs

• [01:00 - 06:35]
  • Rashee Rice’s six-game suspension has landed exactly where the hosts expected; its beginning-of-season placement is "better" than if it came mid-year, but he’s a risky pick.
  • Draft tier insight: Rice should be drafted after upside rookies (e.g., Ricky Pearsall, Matthew Golden, Emeka Egbuka), but before injured or "boring" vet WRs.
    • Heifetz: "I took him in the Ringer league... This is one of those picks where it’ll be the reason I won or lost."
    • Kelly: "He could be a top 12 guy... The vibes for the offensive line are really good right now. This might be a resurgent Patrick Mahomes season..." ([04:10])
  • Xavier Worthy: Seen as a boom/bust deep threat, unlikely to be a high-volume WR. Group consensus: Worthy is “always going to get schemed touches,” but lacks true alpha potential. ([06:04])

Quick News Roundup

• [07:03 - 13:24]
  • Adam Thielen trade: Thielen goes to the Vikings, largely as depth while Addison is suspended. Jalen Coker in Carolina could emerge as a slot receiver.
    • Kelly: “He has a good connection with Bryce Young... I think that was just like a good example of their connection.” ([08:41])
  • Detroit’s rookie WR Isaac Tesla: Not yet a standard-league draft pick, but worth monitoring.
    • Craig on draft hypes: “All of the rookie wide receivers getting a lot of hype... value's been stripped away.” ([10:38])

Atlanta OL Injuries & Impact

• [13:24 - 16:47]
  • Caleb McGary (RT) out for the Falcons (important, especially as Penix is left-handed); Storm Norton (backup) also hurt. Discussion of minor RB/WR downgrades, but still confident in Bijan Robinson as a top-4 pick.
    • Horlbeck: “He's still going to get the volume. He's still going to be explosive. It's just like a little more worrisome now, particularly to me for Penix. Less so for Bijan.” ([16:04])

Belichick & Gold Digger Trademark

• [16:50 - 20:09]
  • Comic relief on Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson trademarking “Gold Digger,” with speculation on their PR awareness and genuine confusion.
    • Heifetz: “Trademarking things that existed before you were alive is preposterous.” ([18:14])

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Main Segment: Players We’re Not Drafting

Start: [20:09]

1. Baker Mayfield, QB, Buccaneers

• DK Horlbeck ([21:00]): Going as QB7, far too expensive for a non-rushing QB whose 7.1% TD rate screams regression.
  • Craig: “This is his eighth offensive coordinator in eight seasons.” ([21:00])
  • Stat drop: “Baker’s average touchdown rate for the first six seasons...4.5%. Last year? 7.1... Only behind Lamar.”
  • JJ Zachariason reference: “Guys with that spike in touchdown rate drop by 20% in fantasy points the following year.” ([21:58])
  • Heifetz: “What are the odds Baker outdoes Dak? … It’s not a six-round difference.” ([22:24])

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2. DK Metcalf, WR, Steelers

• Craig ([24:27]): Finally off the DK bandwagon. Metcalf’s situation is volatile—new team, erratic QB in Aaron Rodgers, unknown role in a crowded, shifting Steelers offense.
  • “There is a very–like, the situation where Aaron Rodgers gets really fed up with DK Metcalf to me feels likely.”
  • Discussion: No faith the Steelers will be more than a “park and bark” offense.
  • “He’s going to be really volatile.” ([25:37])

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3. Caleb Johnson, RB, Steelers

• Heifetz ([27:31]): Too many hurdles for a rookie—needs to impress Rodgers, master out-of-shotgun runs, and play for uncertain Arthur Smith/Jalen Warren split.
  • Heifetz: “This is not Bijan Robinson… this is a guy who’s a third-round pick… Kenneth Gainwell might be playing over Caleb Johnson week one.” ([28:44])
  • Jalen Warren over Johnson as the value pick.

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4. Terry McLaurin, WR, Commanders

• Horlbeck ([29:35]): Regression candidate—last year’s 13 TDs is a career outlier, targets/yards per game uninspiring, more target competition in 2025.
  • Craig: “Even considering what he did last year, he was still only the WR15… you need that to happen again” ([30:32])
  • Heifetz: “Hard for us to be like he’s going to join the Puka Nacua range [of superstars].” ([31:53])

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5. Mark Andrews, TE, Ravens

• Kelly ([37:14]): Just can’t pull the trigger at ADP. Second half last year was great, but hid major red flags:
  • Playing time shrunk (61% snap rate post-injury)
  • Massive TD dependency (11 in ~10 weeks)
  • Isaiah Likely will eat into snaps in 2nd half.
  • “He just needs touchdowns to be valuable… I’ll look at other guys around that spot.” ([38:38])
  • Heifetz Counter: “Mark Andrews is going to have a huge snap count rate in the first six weeks and he’s actually going to get a ton of stuff. He will have the touchdowns…” ([40:29])

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6. Kenneth Walker, RB, Seahawks

• Heifetz ([42:38]): Phenomenal on a per-play basis but risky due to recurring lower leg/foot/oblique injuries, and Zach Charbonnet (one of the best backups in football) is waiting.
  • “Strike one is all the injuries. Strike two is his backup is literally an elite backup… Strike three as he re-injures the foot…” ([48:06])
  • Prefers Charbonnet 6+ rounds later.

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7. David Montgomery, RB, Lions

• DK Horlbeck ([48:32]): Great player, but floor-only play and upside is almost entirely “if Gibbs gets hurt.” Lions lost coaches and OL pieces.
  • “Every year the upside starts to disappear a little bit. So… at ADP, I just never take him.” ([50:07])
  • “He’s kind of the beginning of the upside-is-over tier.” ([53:28])
  • “He is the epitome of you like having him in your flex, but… you’ll never really win your league because of Montgomery unless Gibbs goes down.” —Heifetz ([51:44])

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8. Joe Mixon, RB, Texans

• Heifetz ([53:53]): Not expecting him to play or be useful; recommend only as a last-round IR stash, otherwise pass.

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9. Chris Olave, WR, Saints

• DK Kelly ([55:10]): “Very good player. I just have not been drafting Chris Olave for the Saints… [mainly] the concussion concern and QB uncertainty.”
  • “Rashid Shaheed and Chris Olave are closer in the way they’re going to be utilized… than their ADP would indicate. I would just rather wait for Shaheed.” ([55:21])
  • Heifetz: “I just wrote down: I don’t like watching Chris Olave play… I kind of watch him through my fingers. Kind of like Tua.” ([57:04])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Baker Mayfield’s 2024 spike:

  • "Baker Mayfield's average touchdown rate for the first six seasons of his career was 4.5%. Last year was 7.1... Mahomes has done that one time in his career. Joe Burrow has never done that. Josh Allen has never done that." —Danny Kelly ([21:44])

• On DK Metcalf and the Steelers (transition):

  • "There is a very, like, the situation where Aaron Rodgers gets really fed up with DK Metcalf to me feels likely." —Craig ([25:37])

• On why not to draft David Montgomery:

  • “He is the epitome of you like having him in your flex, but… you’ll never really win your league because of Montgomery unless Gibbs goes down.” —Heifetz ([51:44])

• On the danger of "floor" picks at the wrong spot:

  • “He’s kind of the beginning of like, the upside is over tier…” —Horlbeck ([53:28])

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• 01:00: Rashee Rice status and the Chiefs WR strategy
• 07:03: Adam Thielen trade and WR depth
• 13:24: Impact of Atlanta’s OL injuries for Falcons stars
• 16:50: The “Gold Digger” Belichick trademark saga
• 20:09: Main segment: players the hosts aren’t drafting and why
• 21:00: Baker Mayfield
• 24:27: DK Metcalf
• 27:31: Caleb Johnson
• 29:35: Terry McLaurin
• 37:14: Mark Andrews
• 42:38: Kenneth Walker
• 48:32: David Montgomery
• 53:53: Joe Mixon
• 55:10: Chris Olave

(Fun banter, tangents, and golf detours occur throughout; detailed extended golf/handedness debate at ~59:17 to episode end.)

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Recurring Segment: Golf Talk, Lefty Bias, and Riffing

Timestamp: [59:17 – End]

• Lengthy, humorous digression on golf etiquette, lefty vs righty mechanics, and the philosophy of handedness in sports.
  • Craig: "Can you email us at [e-mail] if you’re a neurologist, kinesiologist, or coach who can explain which hand matters most in a two-handed swing?" ([81:38])
• They muse about sandbagging, "gimme" culture in golf, and learning handed activities as kids.

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Tone & Chemistry

The show is casual, comedic, and self-aware. Hosts strike a balance between actionable analysis and lively tangents—often relishing in their “life advice” and extremely relatable frustrations with fantasy football’s volatility.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Don't overpay for last year’s outliers (Baker, McLaurin, Mark Andrews, etc.)
• Be wary of the “boring, floor” veterans right as the draft exits its upside window (Montgomery, Walker)
• Draft rookies and upside WRs before suspended/risky players unless cost outweighs concern (Rice, Xavier Worthy)
• Monitor ambiguous backfields and entrenched committees more carefully than ever

If you missed the episode, this summary gives you the hosts’ conviction plays, their personal, sometimes emotional reasoning, and plenty of in-jokes that’ll have returning listeners chuckling—and might even convert a few golf or lefty-sports skeptics.

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Listener Homework

• Email the show if you have:
  • Expertise on left/right-handed sports mechanics or fantasy trivia
  • Trivia questions for the upcoming "Showdown Time" segment

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[End of summary]

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football show. My name is Danny Heifers, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rollback. And today we are doing the Guys we will not draft. What are you laughing at me for?

[B]

Honestly? Because Austin Gale texted us right as we started saying, a clear cup is a choice, dude. All right, this is for the energy drink you're drinking.

[A]

Unnamed energy drink, which I told I'm not allowed to have with the can because it's like, no free ads.

[C]

It's like you haven't had a glass of water. Looks like a cup of three days.

[A]

Well, you know what? Maybe it's iced tea or something. Or a beer. I wish it was that. But no. This is what an energy drink looks like when you pour it out. And I guess I'm not allowed to have the thing up here.

[B]

The number one player I do not want to draft is whatever's in there.

[C]

Yeah, this is the chart.

[A]

You're a bad teammate if this is your color. Yeah. Yeah. Congrats to me. All right. This is an incentive for everyone to watch on YouTube, Spotify, wherever you want to watch on video.

[C]

Disgusted.

[A]

So, yeah, we're going to go into all the players we're not going to draft. We're also going to get a bunch of news. News keeps coming. So we're going to keep going through everything, and then I'll start be an adult for once.

[B]

God, that was on me. What did you do?

[C]

I don't even know.

[B]

I just looked at you.

[A]

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[B]

Yes, that's the thing that changed. I, I think we thought around six games would have made sense, but that hearing was September 30th, I believe, which was after week four. And there was a conspiracy about why that was about. They wanted to be in all the primetime games, start the season.

[A]

All the Chiefs games are prime time games.

[B]

The first four were like big games. I don't believe that theory. Maybe I do. No, I don't.

[A]

The problem is every Chiefs games in primetime except three.

[B]

But now Rasheed Rice will be out the first six weeks of the season. If you were. If it would have been like he's out weeks eight to 14, things get a little dicier. There's more bye weeks, fantasy playoffs are coming. So I guess if you had to pick six weeks, this is the best six weeks. So I don't think our ranking will actually change too much because we kind of assumed he would be missing around this six games. Right.

[A]

I think you can make the argument that. I think we had kind of assumed it would be six games, but I think that you can also make the argument that there were maybe, if you would hope that would be less, like maybe this is bad. The flip side is there was also a chance he'd play four games, right. Those might be his worst four, just because coming off the injury. And then you would get suspended six games in the middle of the season and then. And then.

[B]

So he gets a month and a half to start the season, to begin to. To continue rehabbing his knee. The only bummer is that they have a week 10 bye week so he doesn't get to miss the bi week.

[A]

Right. So the question is, where do you take Rasheed Rice? And I think the answer to me is really simple. Which is after Ricky Parasol in the Niners or Matthew golden on the packers or Mecca Buk on the Buccaneers, and once those like, cool receivers are there, I think Rasheed Rice is after those guys. But ahead, he's in the range to me of like, once you're near Khalil Shakir with the Bills or Jaden Reed with the packers or Darnell Mooney on the Falcons or Cooper cup and the Seahawks, basically like kind of boring veterans that are kind of injured but solid when healthy, or like Rasheed Rice who will miss six games and then maybe be a top 12 receiver. To me, that's just like different, completely different things. And if you're like, I took him in the ringer league and I kind of actively was like, you know what? This is one of those picks where I it will either be the reason I won or lost is I probably could have gotten a better player here. So I'm okay taking him in that range, but I wouldn't take him over like a Ricky Parasol. Would you, dk?

[C]

No, I mean, I think, yeah. Pearsall's upside. Pearsall also has the upside, I think that Rashid Rice has in the sense that he could be a the number one receiver for the 49ers. He could be a top 12, top 24 receiver in fantasy. I think once you get past that kind of range, past like Odunze, then you're getting into guys where just the upside doesn't really seem to be there. Like it's a type of player you can plug into your lineup. He's not going to win you your league. So I mean, yeah, I'm still fine taking Rasheed Rice. He showed last year that he could be, you know, top 12 guy, the number one receiver in this offense. It's feeling more and more like the the Chiefs are going to have a pretty good offense and they're going to throw deep more, they're going to be more explosive. The vibes for the offensive line are really good right now. So I don't know, I just kind of do feel like this might be a resurgent Patrick Mahomes season. So Rasheed Rice could really be beneficiary of that.

[A]

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[B]

Yes. The quote unquote receiver for games.

[A]

Feel like I'm accidentally the highest person. Xavier Worthy. I'm fine taking him as you're like fifth pick. I like Xavier. I don't think you have to, but I, I, I feel like I just like him more than other people. I don't know. I just think he's going to be an NFL player.

[B]

I think he's going to be a guy that always gets schemed touches. But I, it's like I like drafting wide receivers where I'm like, could Ricky Pierce all be a guy who gets 12 targets a game? Yes. I don't think Xavier Worthy has that right. And so I'm like, even though it's the Chiefs and Mahomes and if they, if they have a much better deep passing game, all that stuff, he's still in that like Jameson Williams, kind of like he will be schemed into the offense. He's not just like a they will pepper him every game type guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that's why he has somewhat of a ceiling for me.

[A]

Same.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. I think he's, and especially if you look at last year when he started to come on strong, he was running a lot of the Rasheed Rice style routes. So how long is he going to have his value if Rashid Rice is back after week six or week seven or so? I don't know. It's, it's really hard. It's tough to know his role. It's, it's tough to know whether he's really good or if he just kind of, you know, came on strong last season. There's more weapons in the offense now.

[A]

I don't know. So the other one you mentioned, Craig. Adam Thielen, traded from the Panthers to the Vikings. I don't, I think some people are like, oh, does this mean anything for Tetoa McMillan, the Panthers receiver they took in the first round?

[B]

I think mustard he puts on that I, I.

[A]

How am I supposed to say, how am I supposed to say it? How am I supposed to say Tetoa?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Really?

[C]

That's it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tet is really hard. A and an I. I don't know.

[B]

It's an O and an I think, isn't it? Or AI? No, regardless, it's just say Teteroa.

[A]

Okay. So I could just say Teteroa.

[C]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

All right. Yeah, I'll do that. That seems way easier.

[B]

You don't have to say croissant.

[A]

All right. Tedaroa. All right. If his mom tells me I'm doing it wrong, I'm gonna blame you.

[C]

I'm gonna say, craig, you can do that.

[B]

Yeah, you can give her my email.

[A]

I'm sorry, Mrs. McMillan. Anyway, email you anyway. It has nothing to do with Ted Ro. McMillan. I think the Panthers basically have a lot of faith in Jalen Coker, who's the undrafted free agent they signed last year, who's just better than Xavier Legati in the first round. So I think they basically think Jalen Coker role. I also think the Vikings looked at their team and have Justin Jefferson as the number one. Jordan Addison is suspended for the first three games of the season for the wet, reckless charge.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So. And they looked at it and they're like, jalen Naylor, I don't know, is number two, J.J. mcCarthy's rookie. And I just think they're like, yeah, Adam Thielen, can you play three games for us and then be our third receiver?

[C]

DK, how old is Adam Thielen now?

[A]

34. So old.

[B]

Well, how old is he? He is 35. He just turned 35 five days ago.

[A]

Hey, congrats to Adam.

[B]

Basically 34. Just like I'm basically 30.

[A]

Basically 36.

[B]

DK Coker. Jalen Coker, right. He's like fringe, going undrafted. Does this change anything? Like, is he now become like a late round dart throw for you?

[C]

Yeah, I think so. I think he's shown enough in his. The limited amount we've seen him that he has a good connection with Bryce Young. There was a preseason game, one, I think their first or second preseason game, there was a play where Bryce Young rolled out to the right. Nobody was open, and he was like, communicating with Coker. And Coker ran, basically got open and went the opposite direction against the grain in the back of the end zone. He found him. I think that was just like a good example of their connection.

[A]

He will be. Coker will be in the NFL longer than Xavier Leguette.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be that surprised about it. He was very obviously, the Holy Cross thing is, who knows, like, what? It's hard to, like, extrapolate his production at Holy Cross to the NFL with the Crusaders.

[A]

I mean, that was thousands of years, wasn't it?

[C]

But obviously, you know, people were interested in him, in him in the Dynasty streets, in fantasy, because of his production in College. His size 6, 1 2, 13, I think. And then this obviously clears away for a way for him to play in the slot primarily early on the season. So, I mean, he's going to be A starter probably for them, I think.

[A]

Yeah, you can play Coker. Coker's probably like. Honestly, he's probably up there with like Romeo dubs. The packers is like the worst player who probably play like all the time that you could put in your lineup and not be embarrassed. Yeah. And feeling same thing. But for the first three games of the season. While Addison's out, Lions traded Tim Patrick to the Jaguars. I don't think this means anything for fantasy other than we just remember when we made fun of the traded up to Isaac Tesla. Who other teams had in the six. Tesla, Nicole Tesla.

[B]

I wish it was Tesla, dude.

[A]

It's actually, it's actually.

[B]

If you know his mom, reach out. You can email me.

[A]

It's actually Tesla McMillan. It's Tesla. Tesla Roa. I could, you know, I. There was something there.

[C]

Sometimes you gotta shoot. Shoot or shoot.

[A]

This has been a two week trip, man. You know, I think we're on day two. Day two. I would have been like on it. I don't know where that. Day 12. I'm losing it.

[C]

He tried. I actually respect. I respect the attack.

[A]

I knew there was something there. But now. Is this how players feel when they have to retire? I'm like, I can see the opening.

[B]

But it's exactly how players feel.

[C]

Sometimes you just throw up a brick.

[B]

You know, I feel like we talked about in the last episode that all of the rookie wide receivers getting a lot of hype. The Matthew Goldens, the Abuka, all that stuff. They're going super high in drafts. All of the preseason hype, the training camp stuff, like the value's been stripped away. I would say the only guy who has gotten a tremendous amount of preseason hype that is not translating to where he's getting selected in drafts is Isaac Tesla.

[A]

It's because no one wanted to admit he was good on draft day. And then it's kind of like how I basically was like, I changed my mind on Travis Hunter. And you're like, you're a. Yeah. Why change your mind? He hasn't done a fell yet. Yeah. So I think no one's willing to admit that they were.

[C]

I'm willing to admit I was wrong on this already.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He's hasn't played a game yet.

[A]

I like you guys, though.

[C]

You guys know, like I'm. I'm just waiting for. Brad Holmes is feeling himself as a gm. I mean, there's nobody who like, you know, talks to the media as much as Brad Holmes. Like, he's so offended if we think he made a bad Trade talking to.

[A]

The media but he was kind of talking about how his scouts didn't want the picks he made that he made anyway and then those guys were good and fucked them but I can't say fuck them.

[C]

My, my take on all GMs is a little bit like they all kind of go back to the mean at some point and like Brad Holmes is.

[B]

On one of the kickers.

[C]

That's your kickers. He's on one of the all time heaters for a GM I've ever seen.

[B]

In my life chat GPT could be.

[C]

A GM and so anyway when he.

[A]

Know a couple GMs basically just Grok. Yeah.

[C]

Didn't he trade like three third round picks to move up to get to slot which if you like look at the actual. It was crazy the trade. It's like almost giving up a first round.

[B]

So do you think he should now 100 be drafted?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know about that deeply.

[B]

I meant more a normal 10, 12 team league.

[A]

10 team. No way. He's a, he's a party waiver I would say.

[C]

I mean look, if, if Jameson Williams gets hurt, the Slav becomes a priority. But I think right now Jameson Williams is going to be much more 10 or 12 teams.

[A]

It's more like if he does something a week one he's probably going to be our number one receiver. Anything deeper than that or in a dynasty league like yeah, you should probably get this guy like he's going to just be a thing.

[C]

Mainly what I was saying, Craig, is that I was wrong, he was right.

[B]

So you're already looking attractive, you're convinced he's good. So what if he's bad? If he's bad, will you say I actually always knew that or will you have to say I was wrong again?

[C]

I'll have to go, I'll have to do that. Actually you know what, I was originally right.

[B]

No, you can't.

[A]

The emotional toll.

[C]

I can't do that.

[B]

No, because you're admitting you were wrong. So now that's the new base. So now if he's bad, everything I.

[C]

Said before now is moving because then.

[B]

Now you can't lose.

[A]

But if you fill in a bubble in a Scantron.

[B]

No, I'm losing.

[A]

I'm fucking admitting.

[B]

I'm saying whatever happens next you can't lose. Because if he's good, you're like, yeah, I changed my mind. But then if he's bad, you're like, well I always thought he was bad.

[C]

Well he's not bad. He's good, man.

[B]

Have you seen him until he's bad?

[A]

Look how fast he runs the other one. I want to mention Caleb McGarry, the right tackle for the Falcons, is going to miss the season. It turns out he just signed a contract extension.

[B]

That sucks.

[A]

I think it does suck. So he.

[B]

I'm upset about this.

[A]

I know. So he's the right tackle for the Falcons, which is weirdly important because Michael Penix is one of the few lefties in the NFL, so he's actually the blindside protector.

[B]

Not that weird. Unwieldly important.

[A]

You're left. I feel like that never comes up on the show.

[C]

Oh, that is true. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Left handed bias in the world. It's kind of prejudice against us.

[A]

That is true.

[B]

We can't cut scissors. We can't cut with scissors.

[C]

This scissors is so weird.

[A]

Scissors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Emails that we can find some scissors that fit me.

[B]

We get the. The lead on our hand.

[A]

You know what's funny too?

[B]

That you're dragging your hand across smearing the page.

[A]

The other thing about lefty bias is it's the only thing that's objective. And when righties hear it, no one gives a. I don't care.

[B]

You know what I was annoying was in class. You know those desks in like elementary school, middle school, whatever. Have the one arm and it's always the right arm. Yeah, dude, you always like have the elbow hang off the. The.

[C]

Why didn't your dad do a TUA thing and make you right handed?

[B]

Cuz that's cruel.

[A]

You know what's so funny? Even the most like liberal inclusive people in the world.

[C]

Because that's child cruelty.

[A]

Even the most liberal inclusive people in the world don't give a if you're lefty. I don't care about your problem. I know, but it's. Email us to ring your fancy football gmail dot com. If you're a lefty and you have like lefty problems, I want to hear the lefty things. I wouldn't think about it is filled with inconveniences.

[C]

So do you question. Do you golf lefty?

[B]

No.

[C]

You golf righty?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you throw lefty?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you shoot lefty?

[B]

Yeah, I right lefty.

[C]

Do you bat lefty?

[A]

No.

[C]

You're bat righty and you were taught to baty.

[B]

I have a Take that. I actually think swinging something right handed is actually swinging it left handed. Phil Mickelson feels this way too.

[A]

What?

[B]

Because. Okay, here's what I'll say.

[A]

That lefty question that Craig just had actually continued for so long that we picked it up and moved it to the end of the episode. So you can go and listen. It's going to be out of order because we kind of felt a little guilty having such a speaker.

[B]

Two people are going to be upset about the take. I'm sure they'll be like, you're an idiot.

[A]

So we're going to pick that up and drop it in later.

[B]

Skip ahead, I guess.

[A]

But anyway, yeah, so Michael Penix jr. Is a lefty, and so the right tackle is the left tackle. Kind of like Craig's take. And so anyway, the point being Storm Norton, who's the other backup swing tackle for the Falcons also. I know.

[C]

God, another Storm.

[A]

I wish he was better forms in the NFL. It's crazy. So anyway, Storm Duck and Storm Norton. Anyway, Storm Norton had an ankle surgery, so he's out two months. So the backup is going to be Elijah Wilkinson, who's like this 30 journeyman. He's actually started like 40 games in the NFL, but so he'll. I guess he'll be right tackle. I feel like Bijan. Well, I don't want to influence you guys. Fourth pick is on the board. The first three picks are like Jamar Chase, Saquon, Jameer Gibbs. You're still taking Bijan Robinson fourth, right? DK Even with this news. Yeah, I, I don't think that's controversial.

[C]

I mean, he's still going to get the volume. He's still going to be explosive. It's just like a little more worrisome now, particularly to me for Penx. Less so for Bijan.

[A]

Like, I think the question is now, does Drake London. Is that now enough for you to take like a different player over Drake London and like the, you know, second round or something?

[C]

Slight downgrade, but not, not anything major.

[B]

Like, what if you're like deciding between A.J. brown and Drake London now? Maybe you would lean A.J. brown.

[A]

Maybe.

[C]

Yeah, it's like a tiebreaker, I guess. But not really. Not. I'm not moving him down significantly. Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

I kind of don't think I'm doing a whole lot.

[A]

I. I think it's okay. I think it's fine. Says now and then Michael Penck is going to get like smashed in week one and obliterated from his blind side. I'm gonna be like, oh, I guess lefty's actually Lefty misses the block, gets benched.

[B]

It's like a calamity.

[A]

Okay, this is the most important news of all. So I saw this. We're at the ERA of media where I saw this and just kind of thought it was, like, fake.

[B]

I did too. I thought you guys were punk, like, prank, like.

[A]

So I just. I. I actually just couldn't. I just scrolled past. I was like, that didn't happen. So I guess Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson filed a trademark.

[C]

Jordan.

[A]

Jordan. I actually don't know.

[B]

I always assumed everybody's just kind of making fun of her by just saying.

[A]

She worked at WAROA.

[B]

Because it's okay. It's not a N. So everyone's saying.

[A]

Jordan is so okay. I don't know.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

I would be surprised if her name is Jordan, but maybe it's just Jordan.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Nothing would surprise me.

[A]

People say Oregon, but the point being. So she signed. They. They tried to file a trademark for Gold Digger, which I. I mean, that's just incredible. No, here's.

[C]

Look at how she spells her name on Instagram. It's. It's a Jo R.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Is she leaning in or has it always been that way?

[A]

No, that is the question. Well, here's my question.

[B]

I'm sitting the gold diggers.

[A]

Do you think. Here's my question with the Gold digger thing. Do you think that she didn't know that Kanye west has a song named Gold Digger because she wasn't born when that song came out?

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

No, but it sounds true. It's close enough. She was like three years old when that song came out. The point is, it was close enough.

[C]

People should stop trying to get trademarks.

[A]

Trademarking things that existed before you were alive is preposterous.

[C]

Right? It's like a common expression.

[B]

Yeah. Like I said, I'm going to sit this one up. I hate everything.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

You're on a podcast.

[C]

Here's the deal. I'm not allowing you to sit this out.

[B]

I just, like, hate everything about this. I hate that they're, like, leaning into the bit. This actually is, like, more and more convincing me that he's senile. Like, I don't know what's going on. How is he allowing this?

[A]

So wait, so asking the wrong question.

[B]

How the is he allowing this?

[A]

We're asking the wrong question.

[B]

He's going to start a jewel. It's a jewelry company. Correct. That they want to launch.

[A]

Oh, that's. That's smart.

[B]

I know, but I'm like, that's brilliant.

[A]

You market it to the women who are dating really rich 80 year old men. That's smart.

[B]

Maybe he truly just, like, has no idea that any of this is happening.

[A]

And he's not online, not on the Internet. He's, like, unaware. This is a problem.

[B]

Like, not online.

[A]

No one's told him.

[B]

Maybe, honestly, maybe. Maybe because this is shocking. The second. If I were him, the second I would see this.

[A]

I would. That's a great.

[B]

It would be hell.

[A]

I. What should we file. Should we file a trademark for something? What's the funniest thing we could file a trademark for? Like, we invented this.

[B]

Pardon my take.

[A]

What is. I'm trying to. If they could do this phrase. What's the. I mean, Russell Wilson tried to do, like, sleepers. Sleepers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We trademarked Sleeper.

[C]

Trademark sleeper.

[A]

We invented it, lad.

[B]

Mahonkey.

[C]

Thank God we invented that. That's pretty good.

[A]

Email [e-mail] if anyone helped us with patents or IP and how to file a patent, please put that in the email of, like, patent help or trademark help. We're going to try to follow trademark. Email us. Also, if you aren't a lawyer, email us ideas that we should try and trademark. And I do want to see what's the thread, the needle here of what's the funniest thing we could trademark that we shot at. No, I want larger than that.

[C]

I'm just spitting football ideas.

[A]

Belichick, can we get the right name?

[B]

Jordan.

[A]

Jordan with Shane Bar. Jordan.

[C]

Now you're just talking about extortion.

[A]

Jordan.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. Anyway, I just. Whatever. I don't know, man. Okay. All right, let's get into the guys. We're not drafting. And. Yeah, it's like every year this the kind of guys that we just want to be honest that even when we're in our rank, we have our rankings. And then, like, guys come and like, every time I get. You know what? I hate myself.

[B]

That one did jump out to me. I. I wasn't going to say I did clock.

[A]

Whatever, man. You know what? I'm so tired. My brain doesn't work. You guys do the segment.

[B]

Okay. The first player that I am not drafting this year. And again, this is all relative. If, if, if this person was going dead last in draft seven when they.

[A]

Show up at cost, we're like, yeah, exactly.

[C]

It's just like, basically the idea is you see them in the rankings, you see them on. In the draft room or whatever, they're there when you're drafting, but no part of you ever even considers taking them at that spot.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's like they don't exist.

[B]

My first one is Baker Mayfield, who I just think is going way too high. He's going as the QB7, 72nd overall. So it's like the seventh, eighth round. This is his eighth offensive coordinator in eight seasons.

[A]

God. God, that is. Him and Jalen Hurts are both. They haven't had a. The same coordinator, like, 10 years.

[B]

Yeah, it's. Honestly, it's kind of a boring argument, to be honest. It's just like regression.

[C]

Right.

[B]

If you look at Baker's first six seasons, touchdown rate is a really cloud, like, easy way to kind of tell if somebody played better than they should have one year or if they were.

[C]

Like an outlier, had an outlier season. Yeah.

[B]

Touchdown rate is just literally what percentage of your passes end up as touchdowns. Baker Mayfield's average for the first six seasons of his career was four and a half percent, which is like, pretty solid normal. Last year was 7.1.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is really high. It was second in the league. It was only behind lamar, for context. 7.1. Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has done that one time in his career. Joe Burrow has never done that. Josh Allen has never done that. Jerry Goff's never done that. Dak Prescott has never done that.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And I was actually listening to JJ Zacharison on his podcast earlier today, and he was mentioning Baker Mayfield in this touchdown percentage. And there's basically been 15 guys. I'll try to remember this correctly. There's been 15 guys since 2011 who have had around a 7% touchdown rate. They averaged 21 points a game that year. The next year, their average was 17 points a game. They actually dropped basically, like 20% of their points.

[A]

And the point being also 15. It's about 15 years. One guy a year does this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Baker happened to be the guy last year. And the odds that it's Baker again is actually more or less equal to the odds of guys going seven or eight rounds later.

[B]

Yes. So it's like there is. I actually think he is by far the worst value at quarterback. And you could. You should be taking Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert. All of those guys are equally as likely, in my opinion, to produce a big season.

[A]

Right. To be clear, we're not saying Baker, like, Baker's really fun to root for. He's a fun story. It's a great team. We're just saying it's closer to his ceiling than his floor. And again, to me, it's really simple. I just did my oldest league. We did the draft. Baker went in the seventh round. Dak Prescott went in the 13. That's on sleeper where the quarterbacks are ranked a little lower than like. Yeah. Who has the quarterbacks higher. So it depends. But the point being the what are the odds Baker outdoes Dak? The answer is it's not a six round difference. It's not a, it's not a 60 player difference.

[B]

No. I mean if you, if you had to pick one team to lead the league in points, are you picking the Bucks or the Cowboys?

[A]

Exactly. And so you know, the other part of it and the other thing JJ Zach reason talks about all the time is just the reason rushing quarterbacks go high is not just because rushing points are worth more. It's easier to predict because there's no. Jared Goff is not going to just run for 500 yards. Like it's not. We know who is fast and who is a good runner or not. The pocket passers. Whether you throw for a lot of yards and touchdowns is not dependent on skill. It's dependent on skill.

[C]

A million other things.

[A]

Your offensive environment and the need to do it because your defense collapsing either through lack of talent or injuries and you need to throw a lot running game off it. Like Joe Burrow could do what he did last year again, but if the Bengals had the best defense in the NFL, the Bengals wouldn't want Joe Burrow to have to do it again. And so that's kind of the. The point too. I think it's random.

[C]

The other thing to add here is you probably would, I don't know if your take would be quite this strong for Baker if Cohen was still there.

[B]

Yeah. And he's, I mean, obviously.

[A]

And it's like Josh Grizzard you could take. Yeah, Josh Grizzard.

[C]

Are you really like. I mean, Josh Grizzard might end up being the next Sean McVeigh. We don't know.

[B]

If his name was like Josh Nelson, would you not feel this way?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Yes. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.

[A]

All right, next guy here.

[C]

Lick.

[B]

What?

[C]

Isn't he from North Carolina?

[A]

Another guy you're not drafting.

[C]

I'm capitulating a little bit here and I'm not drafting DK Metcalf this year.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Well, you guys wore me down.

[A]

Your former favorite player on the Seahawks.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, obviously he got traded from the Seahawks.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Even last year he wasn't a good value. In fact, he was probably not helping you much.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Relative to what you're expecting. Last year he was a wide receiver. 3310 points per game. That's not very good in the big scheme of things I have ppr. There's a lot of guys, there's a lot of receivers that can get you that. Um, and he did that on a 19 target rate. More. More than what happened last year though. I'm just like concerned about this offense with the Sears this year. I think there's just a lot of weird ingredients to make this all work together. You got Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers together, which I, I'm very excited to see how this goes. Just first of all, from a, you know, like if you like watching reality tv, that to me feels like a good like throw a couple like very opinionated, weird people together. I can't think of Real world season.

[A]

One or whatever two people more prepared to give less than Aaron Rodgers and then Arthur Smith, whose father founded FedEx and is probably worth billions of dollars. Like neither of them give a and.

[C]

Then obviously you have, you know, Mike Tomlin, the head coach who's trying to like smooth everything out and whatever. DK Metcalf in his own right is kind of a mercurial person personality. He's like Seahawk fans kind of got sick of him because he kept getting in fights, getting penalties all the time. Like there is a very like the situation where Aaron Rodgers gets really fed up with DK Metcalf to me feels likely. So anyways, there's just a lot of weird ingredients here and he's going to be really volatile.

[A]

I also the thing with Metcalf, I still have yet to hear an explanation of why this Steelers offense will be different than just like probably a better version of what Roethlisberger was at the end when he couldn't move the park and bark. And Rodgers is going to run a park and bark offense where again, I know I keep saying this, but no under center, which shows no play action. So the no under center running game means you're running everything out of shotgun, which makes the running game worse. But then also because Rogers won't take hits every the ball is coming out fast so the receivers, sorry, the secondary is playing up, which also makes the running game hard, but it also makes the quick throws harder because they're not expecting it. So if you have to kind of figure out how are we going to protect long enough to get the deep shots we want. And here's my other issue and how is DK Metcalf really going to do on these slants and these quick routes that Rogers wants to run? Like, is that really DK Metcalf's game? I feel like he's going to have.

[C]

These like calculated can do it. But I don't think that's like his core like talent.

[A]

So who's doing deep?

[C]

He's a explosive, explosive vertical threat.

[A]

And so maybe they're going to figure out ways to have two and three tight end sets to make. Maybe again, you know, they're aware of all this. I just, there's just to your point, there's a lot of different ways this Steelers season could go wrong on offense. And maybe there's two or three it goes right. What if there's something like a beautiful.

[C]

Symphony that somehow just works?

[B]

Maybe if you don't think about it, you can kind of convince yourself that he falls into the Calvin Ridley. Like, well, it's kind of just him, the only guy. But I mostly agree with you speak.

[A]

Same reason with the Steelers offense. I kind of just keep passing on Caleb Johnson, the running back at Iowa. I think that he's like a guy that. But if you haven't thought about it since the draft because it was like, oh, zone runner needs to go to zone team. Steelers love zone. Arthur Smith, great. And we were like, damn, we comp Caleb Johnson. We come Caleb Johnson, Derek Henry and.

[B]

He'S a good next year pick.

[A]

I think exactly. My joke with Caleb Johnson is that he's Derek Henry before the two years where Derek Henry was fine and nobody remembers it and nobody deletes it but Caleb Johnson. To me it's a combination of a rookie needing to impress Aaron Rodgers enough to be on the field, which is like a strike one needing to protect him at all times because Aaron Rodgers can't get hit. Also like it is a little more nuanced to read blocks from shotgun instead of under center. Like that is not quite the same. It's not like Madden. You just put a guy in like a little harder. And Arthur Smith, Arthur Smith infamously wasn't playing Kyle Pitts over Jonas Smith, which I get Bijan Robinson was getting mixed in with Alger. Like, this is not Bijan Robinson who's a top 10 pick. Like, this is a guy who's a third round pick. You have Jalen Warren there. Like they have Kenneth Gainwell might be playing like Caleb. Kenneth Gainwell might be playing over Caleb Johnson. A week one and Caleb Johnson. There's a world where Caleb Johnson is closer in week one to like Trey Benson in Arizona or like Braylon Allen on the jets instead of like the starting running back for the Steelers and he's going in a range next to Jalen Warren. I'm like, man, Jaylen Warren. So I just don't.

[C]

I was going to ask actually, like, does being out on Caleb Johnson make you in on Jalen Warren?

[A]

I think he's a boring running back. That could be a pretty good value. Yeah, he's. Jaylen Warren's the. A boring guy at Glanceburg guy. You don't think about like, he's just in. Glanzberg's our joke for players we end up not talking about all season. I don't think Jalen Warren has like, he's kind of small hit, small miss. We haven't talked about Jalen Warren a lot.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

But he's probably like a Kirkland brand, Tony Pollard or something. But I don't, I just. Overall, you don't have to hate Aaron Rodgers personally or politically or whatever to be like, this also is. Could work, but the Steelers offense just might be hard to watch. And Caleb Johnson will be a rookie trying to break into an offense that's hard to watch. And I'm like, I don't want any part of this. So we'll see. Yeah, I just, I'm okay being wrong. That Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron Rodgers had an incredible season, the short answer is like, I don't need to be in on that. That I, I'm, I, I will.

[C]

You're going to be happy for him.

[B]

Also, even if Aaron Rodgers has an incredible season, that doesn't necessarily mean Caleb Johnson will have a good season.

[A]

Yes, exactly. So that's like, yeah, I agree.

[B]

I do agree with you. The next guy who's on my do not draft list is Terry McLaurin. We've talked about him a little bit this off season. It's. He's just another natural regression candidate. He's going as a top 20 wide receiver. He's going in the top 50 of drafts. Look, he caught 13 touchdowns last year. Before that, he was averaging five a season for the first six years of his career. So it basically, it was a tremendous outlier season for him in the red zone. If you look at all the other underlying statistics, he was 34th in targets per game. He was 24th in yards per game. So.

[C]

And that was before they had Debo. They didn't really have much target competition last year at all.

[B]

No. And they also didn't throw the ball a whole lot. They were bottom seven and pass rate.

[A]

So Anthony Lynn, Cliff Kingsbury gets all this credit in Washington, but Anthony Lynn is the run game coordinator. Didn't he really change?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So this is just kind of like a plain and simple plus.

[C]

He missed a lot of training camp in this hold in. So he may be a little bit behind.

[B]

Yeah, I think him as a top 20 guy. I mean even considering what he did last year, he was still only the wide receiver 15. He had 13 touchdowns and he was barely a top 15 wide receiver. So you're basically. You need that to happen again for him to kind of return the value.

[A]

That and the other thing about Terry, it's not just that he had 13 touchdowns which was the most in history and again it's the, the, the least fun fantasy analysis. Oh won't score that much again. But the nature of his scores were fun to watch.

[C]

Explosive.

[A]

They're all lock off game winning touchdowns. It was the Bengals and this is when we realized Shane Daniels was him out of control. This is the one where I did a story on the resurgence.

[B]

Oh no, you're talking about the corner of the end zone one.

[A]

The corner.

[B]

That was the moment I was like jaden has it.

[A]

Yeah, we were like another one against the Cowboys.

[B]

Some late game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or maybe it wasn't a touchdown.

[A]

Yeah, the Cowboys was weird because then Turpin returned the game. They lost that game. Actually Washington did but James led a game winning drive and then Turpin returned a kickoff for a touchdown which just didn't happen that much last year. So they ended up losing. But yeah, he had another one to Terry. And again if you really believe, like if you're Washington family, you wonder if it's Terry. McLaurin gives teams good go for it. But overall what we're saying is Terry's the first receiver you're going to take that. It's hard for us to be like he's going to join the Puka Nakua range of like, yeah, not only will you have 13 touchdowns again, he'll 400 more yards. It's just like hard to get there. But it's very easy to be like, yeah, he'll have the same season with four fewer touchdowns is still good for him in real life. But not going to. It's just replaceable two rounds later.

[B]

Like it's got to be annoying. I think if you're a commander stand this off season like for them to almost make the damn super bowl. And everyone's like, ah, they're my pick to not make the playoffs.

[A]

Like, oh, I don't feel bad at all.

[B]

I'm just saying. And then the flip side is like the Broncos squeak into the playoffs, get fucking destroyed and everyone's like broncos sleeper super bowl pick. Meanwhile the commanders and Jane Daniels, everyone agrees like a Hall of Fame quarterback and everyone's like they're not going to make a player.

[A]

Everyone agrees. Well no, everyone agrees in Jaden Daniels. I don't know. My thing with Washington is very simple.

[B]

I know they're old team, they like.

[A]

The oldest team in the NFL.

[B]

I'm just saying it's probably a little annoying in the same way got mad at DK for like not mentioning Jalen hurts first as like one of the best Eagles players after they won the Super Bowl. I have to imagine it's a little annoying that it is the trendy pick to choose the commanders to miss the play.

[A]

You know what else is annoying? Tommy DeVito won two games for the Giants and sent Jaden Daniels to division rival. So if Washington fans are upset that I'm saying this, you know what, I'll trade you Jaden Daniels for Jackson Dart.

[B]

Is basically saying that if your team is good, you're not allowed to complain about anything ever.

[C]

He just doesn't feel bad for you.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's it. Yeah, you complain. I just don't give a.

[B]

All I said was it's probably annoying for them but yeah, that's fair.

[A]

You're right. I'm just getting jaded because the Yankee. The Giants are the worst team literally by record points. Everything with jets less like since I've been. I've been an adult and the Yankees somehow made the World Series only to have the worst inning in the history of the World Series. And that was even another word.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Whatever. No one gives a shit.

[B]

So you're Yankees made the World Series.

[A]

They actually, I mean they somehow made that unsatisfying because they actually were like there. It's the. You know what? Let's not go, okay? What? No one gives a. Whatever. No one feels bad for Yankees fans, correct? No one. Yeah, whatever.

[B]

Fuck. That's like the last team of all time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know what? You know what? No one. What? What are you saying? No one feels bad for me. That's my point. Week one of college football is finally here and FanDuel is kicking things off with a no sweat bet just for you. That means you can place any bet on college football this week. And if it doesn't hit, you get it back in bonus bets. Whether you're riding with your alma mater or backing a top 10 matchup, FanDuel has you covered with live betting game props, alternate lines and more. I am kind of obsessed with the fact that Arch Manning is going to be playing versus Ohio State and I think they'll probably get rocked. But I'm not going to lie. Eli Manning won me two Super Bowls and you know, I'm riding with the family. So like I'm betting on Arch Manning and I kind of just want to have a little skin in the game and the fact that maybe aren't they.

[B]

Isn't Texas like the first number one seed to be underdogs in like 20 years or something crazy.

[A]

Which they, I mean, yeah, both sounds right. Like, I don't know if you, how.

[B]

Can you be the number one seed if you're not favored in the first game?

[A]

It's a funny test because Ohio State.

[C]

The number one ranked team.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People get mad when the, the national champion loses all their good players. Like I mean a Buka and Henderson, all these guys like, and I mean Will Howard, like everyone loses like, oh, you're automatically number one. But it's also funny that. Yeah, it's just, it's a funny thing. So yeah, I just kind of want to bet on Arch in particular.

[B]

Like you want to take Texas.

[A]

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[C]

All right, this one's probably pretty obvious, but I do feel like he's been getting a lot of hype as a post type, sleeper type player. Mark Andrews for the Ravens.

[B]

I hate this. I love Mark.

[A]

I thought you changed your mind on Mark Andrews and you were kind of in. Now you're out.

[B]

He's waiting till week one.

[C]

No, I'm out. He's. He's just one of those players when like you've always in the draft. I just can't do it. I can't like, decide to do it. It just, it's too many, like, things pulling me the other direction. I'm like, I'll look at other guys around that spot. Plus, like, if you look at our rankings, players that are going around him, RJ Harvey Pollard, Pacheco Mecca Buka, Travis Hunter, Ricky Piersol, Matthew Golden. These are guys that are going in like the around where, where Mark Andrew's going. I just can't get excited to draft him. And it's not just because of like the previous bit I've had where he gives me the ick because he's volleyball setting touchdowns into the stands or that he dropped, you know, the game time. It would have been a game tying two point conversion to eliminate this, the Ravens last year. It's more just like the production was fraudulent or fraudulent. Fraudulent. Maybe a little too strong. It was. It's due to regress. If you look at the underlying metrics after weeks one through four. So weeks one through four, he's coming off of a car accident. He had internal injuries or something, tightrope.

[A]

Surgery the year before that I think was under discussed including by us. And so he was a combination of we're still recovering from the injury and then he got in a car crash. So he was like the worst, literally the worst player you're putting in your lineup. The first half. Yeah, one of the best.

[C]

Second half after the first month he was the tight end 5 or sorry in total points and then tight end 7 in points per game.

[A]

However, you're saying from October on.

[B]

Yeah, you're saying after the first month he like caught no passes. He was historically bad.

[A]

I think you said.

[C]

Well whatever I said he. After he got over his injury then he was great.

[B]

He caught 11 touchdowns in like the last 10 weeks.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But he literally, he like led the burn book for every week for the first month of the season.

[C]

The biggest scored, he scored less than 10 points total in the first month.

[B]

We did two games.

[A]

The biggest question we got the first two months was can I cut Mark Andrews?

[C]

Right. And a lot of like probably shouldn't. But he was valuable on the, in the, you know, the rest of the season. I get that. And he was a good waiver wire pickup after everybody dropped him. I acknowledge that. But the 11 touchdowns I think hid the underlying metrics which was, you know, his snap rate 60, 61% which is 26among tight ends. He's not getting a ton of snaps. Isaiah likely is not. He's not gone. He's injured right now. But he's coming back.

[B]

High ankle.

[C]

He's coming back though he I like early ish in the season and then even after week five, so basically everything after that, that first month where he didn't really do anything, he still only had a 16% target rate so I hear.

[A]

So I hear everything you're saying.

[C]

Volatile. He just needs touchdowns to be valuable.

[A]

This is a good example of a Rorschach test to just like. Well, I guess that's not what it is, but just different. People can look at the same thing and see different. Two different things. Everything you're saying is correct. I would just pause at this last. The simplest version is last year Mark Andrews was the. And this is in every sport, fantasy football, fantasy baseball always has this. Someone who's the worst in the first half and the best in the second half. I just think it might be reversed for him because Isaiah likely having this surgery. Frankly, the snap thing, I think Mark Andrews is going to play a ton of snapped and he has some nagging thing right now.

[C]

But I think they're still going to platoon him.

[B]

No, but they're not going to platoon.

[A]

Isaiah likely is in practice.

[C]

He's a foot issue. Kohler.

[A]

I know. I think Mark not as a receiver. Those are blocking titans. I just think Mark Andrews is going to have a huge snap count rate in the first six weeks of the season and he's actually going to get a ton of stuff. He will have the touchdowns because again, you know, it's not a red zone. Three red zone threat. Zay Flowers. I'm like, if they play DeAndre Hopkins in the red zone, sure. But I think Mark Andrews is the number one target. The red zone. I think when I say likely around, call it Halloween is back to full strength or whatever.

[C]

It's going to be two months into the season.

[A]

I mean, it's your foot. He's a receiver. It's not just one.

[C]

It's already been like a month.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean, I don't know.

[C]

I'm just speculating on his return, but it feels like that feels aggressive.

[A]

I'm not a doctor, but it's one used to get back in literal shape, like you have to be an NFL level shape.

[C]

And it's like he's so. He's too good. He doesn't even.

[B]

Oh, I literally thought you were saying like that's not likely.

[A]

I'm just saying that, like, I think the Mark Andrews thing is like what you're. I just think he'll have a good. He's more likely to have a good first half and a lesser second half than anything.

[C]

Which is ironic because I mean that might be true. I'm just like doing the thing Heifetz does all the time. Like enjoy that on your team. I'm not going to do that.

[A]

Okay. That's fair.

[C]

The other thing I think that is worth talking about here is you just got done talking about touchdown rate. Lamar Jackson was number one in touchdown rate last year. I think he threw 41 touchdowns.

[A]

You don't think you'll have 10 touchdown passes for every interception?

[C]

Again, he was like almost 9%. What was it?

[B]

41.

[A]

Literally 41. Four. 41 touchdowns, four picks. Every time Craig says he should win the MVP, I'm like, no. And then like, Lamar is one of.

[C]

The players you probably least expect to regress significantly because he's just. Well, they're kind of an outlier in general. But he's probably not gonna do that again. He's probably not gonna have like a 9% touchdown rate. So I don't know. I'm just like, you're betting too much on this insane efficiency in the red zone and touchdowns every week.

[A]

Mark Andrews or Travis Kelsey?

[C]

This is like one of those where it's like a trick question because I probably have Mark Andrews ranked higher. But I think I would rather take Kelsey a little later.

[A]

This is the point. This is the point I would exercise.

[C]

Stay away from tight ends at the area. Take someone later.

[A]

This is what we're doing. This is what we're talking about. It's like, yeah, there's just other positions we'd rather have with these guys in these spots.

[C]

I'll take a rookie receiver in that spot and hope for a thousand yards or whatever.

[A]

On that note, I want to talk about just while we're shitting on people's favorite teams here between my Giants and your Steelers. I, Kenneth Walker for the Seahawks is a guy that I just don't see anymore in drafts. And I hate to say it because I like him.

[C]

He's so high variance. I totally get that.

[A]

I love. It's too bad because this is everything I like about it. I like the Kenneth Walker. I like the way he plays. I think he's actually per route like, or just per run, like one of the most visually distinctive players. It's very rare to see like a bow legged. Yeah, you just see. Yeah, you just see something you don't never see in a football field. It's unbelievable. Dude, he did that suplex that I mean so much.

[C]

That's wild.

[A]

The Saquon's reverse hurdle market corrected. Ken Walker is just doing the thing I never forgot. He did the suplex thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, the point is like a fucking flip. Yeah, it was unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it.

[B]

It's like legitimately a wrestling move.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It was crazy. But I just. I believe in the Seahawks offense. I do think the coordinator change from Grub. Ryan Grubb last year to Clint Kubiak this year in the offensive line. I do kind of buy the argument that they have the talent that the scheme shift. I do think the Seahawks could be that quiet juggernaut. The team that makes the leap like the Lions a couple years ago. I think it could be the Seahawks with everything like great defense, running the ball. My issue is very simple. I don't want to use my fourth pick on Ken Walker who just always has foot issues. Seems like I'm not a doctor. Seems like he will have to have a foot issue. Kind of managed to all season with practice workloads.

[C]

He's also got like oblique issues which is actually more worrisome to me.

[A]

It's just the leg. It's like. It's like these legs for him. I believe it's always the right leg. And it's like ankles. Exactly. Hip bone connected to the shin.

[C]

Bone to the foot.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

What is the song?

[A]

The point is the way your weight distributes. Eventually everything. Everything affects everything. Are you actually googling that song right now? The hip bones connected to the leg bone.

[B]

Is it leg?

[A]

What are we gonna say? Female. It's for five year olds.

[B]

Thigh bone. But what is the leg bone? All the ghosts are just leg to shin. Is it hip?

[A]

No, there's a. There's another leg bone. There's your knee.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Your shin isn't below your knee. There's something.

[B]

I'm asking what the song is. Do they.

[A]

I. I never know the lyrics physically.

[B]

Can't. He doesn't understand what I'm saying.

[A]

I don't know what the lyrics go.

[B]

That's what we're talking about.

[A]

Connected to the.

[C]

We're trying to figure out Foot bone connected to the heel bone. This is what I'm seeing. I don't remember all this.

[B]

But it is thigh. Eat. Shit.

[A]

You said. You said shin.

[B]

I said thigh and then shin.

[A]

Oh, all right. You're right. Eat. Shin.

[C]

Telling someone to eat is.

[A]

We should break insults one day in power.

[C]

It really does Soul. Eat.

[A]

It works for every generation too. Eat. I feel like you could do that for boomers and for Gen Z. It works for everyone. Eat. It's great. Anyway. Ken Bone's bones are all connected. And like Ken Walker. No, Ken Bone's the guy who googled the sex. Was it Ken Bone?

[B]

Was pregnant lady porn or something?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Craig.

[C]

We don't judge. All right?

[B]

That's fair.

[C]

Ken Bone.

[A]

He just like, you know, look at Ken Bone.

[B]

Don't sue me, Ken Bone.

[A]

Ken Bone can. Come on. Ken Bone. Anyway, I like.

[C]

His name is Ken Bone.

[B]

K Bone.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

He is the human K Bone. He is K Bone.

[A]

He's K Bone ahead of his time. Now he'd be like, don't king shame Ken Bone.

[B]

I was gonna say he's not, like, actually canceled, right? He just.

[A]

No, no, he just. It was just like, wow, we found his porn online, and now it's like.

[C]

The originator of Milkshake Duck, wasn't he?

[A]

Yeah, no, we. No, the problem is, at the time, that was Escape. This is the.

[B]

What'd you call me?

[A]

Wait.

[C]

You know, the origination of Milkshake Duck, there was like, a famous tweet. It was basically like, oh, I don't know it, like, by heart, whatever. But it was like, oh, Milkshake Duck. The milk. The duck is drinking a milkshake. We love the milkshake.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then it's like, I'm sorry to say the Milkshake Duck is racist or whatever. Like, it's just.

[A]

I mean, right? It was just an earlier era of the Internet because I think that was the Romney Obama election. It's the same year that the biggest things we had going on was Mitt Romney said binders full of women we were trying to hire. And, like, he put his dog on his car 50 years ago, and that was a political scandal at the time.

[B]

I thought he was. He asked Hillary a question. Was that not right?

[A]

Maybe it was then.

[B]

That was 2016. I could be wrong.

[C]

It was 2016.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It was the Hillary election.

[A]

Okay, well, that actually makes it even funnier that that was a problem.

[B]

It was peak. It was right when, like, it was peak. The second you get famous, we're gonna look up everything you've ever done online.

[A]

Except for Trump. Donald Trump. Yeah.

[C]

And then they found, like, they didn't they find his Reddit account or something like that, and he was, like, liking some stuff. I'll give you a hundred guesses to guess what his occupation is.

[B]

Nurse?

[A]

Egyptologist.

[C]

No, those are both good guesses.

[A]

Private detective.

[C]

Getting further away.

[A]

Systems network engineer.

[B]

Former fighter pilot.

[C]

No further. I'll just tell you. He was a power plant worker.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Ken Bone, the power plant worker. Like the real life, kind of normal job. Homer Simpson. Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, my point is just very simple. Ken Walker has a bunch of foot bone injuries connected to his other injuries. And I'm like, you know what? Zach Charbonnet strikes. Strike one is all the injuries. Strike two is his backup is literally an elite backup. There's. He's a top four backup running back is Zach Charbonnet. Zach Charbonnet is going seven rounds later. I'd rather just have Zach Charbonnet in the 10th round than take Ken Walker in the fourth round. And then strike three as he re injures the foot and I'm like, oh no, Zach Charbon is just going to have this job all year.

[C]

I just would rather charge is fun.

[A]

You can, but the.

[B]

That's risky.

[A]

It's this simple, though.

[B]

It's this simple. Like, can you guarantee you get Charbonnet?

[A]

That's the reason I don't like Ken Walker drafting is I feel like I kind of need to get Charbonnet now. And at that point I just take Charles and then if Kim Walker's good, whatever. Okay.

[C]

I don't, I don't have any problem with taking Char. I think that's a good pick.

[A]

The only running. Honestly backup. The only running back I take over Zach Charbonnet as a backup is David Montgomery.

[B]

Good. That's a good transition because I want to actually just talk this through with you guys. David Montgomery is. Is tentatively on my do not draft list, which is funny because I literally drafted him in the ringer league. However, I drafted him in the 10th round, I think. And he's one of those guys where when you see him where he's actually ranked, I kind of think you always just let him go. But if he's there two or three rounds later, he immediately becomes like a wonderful bench player, a wonderful flex player.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But I don't know, other than Jameer Gibbs getting hurt, I think the upside is getting smaller and smaller with him as Gibbs gets more and more involved, more prominent, all that stuff. Also, you know, the Lions lost seven coaches. They lost their offensive coordinator, they lost their passing game coordinator, they lost their.

[A]

Tight ends coach on the offensive line. A couple spots where we're trying not to think about it.

[B]

Yeah. Their guards are a second year six rounder and a rookie. They lost their center, Frank Rag now and you know, they were historically good. Last year they were. They averaged over three points per drive. Only four teams have done that in the 2000s. So I'm just like, you know, they ran a ton of touchdowns and they were second in the league and rushing touchdowns.

[C]

That's the thing I was going to say too is like, are they going to run for that many touchdowns again?

[B]

The problem is they basically did it two years in a row. But again Ben Johnson. But 2023 and 2024, they ran for top five in rushing touchdowns. I think I'm kind of like, he might be the most like rock solid floor play, but every year the upside starts to disappear a little bit. So I'm kind of like, if he falls around or two, great pick at value right now, like ADP, he's going 53rd overall. He's going around like Trayvon Henderson and RJ Harvey. And I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, those guys have so much more upside to me.

[A]

Epitome of a boring guy.

[B]

He's going around Patrick Mahomes, Tatt McMillan, Xavier Worthy, all these dudes that can like really explode. I don't. I don'. How do you feel about that?

[A]

How do you feel?

[C]

I don't know if he.

[B]

I like him a lot.

[C]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I think I agree with you on almost everything other than he wouldn't be on my. He wouldn't be on my don't draft list behavior.

[A]

Yeah. It's not like don't draft David Montgomery, which is ironic because he's actually one of my favorite real life players.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like he's not going to be a bad pick.

[A]

But. But here's the thing. I agree and I know that because I just never take him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like that's the point of the exercise. I love him as a player. The Lions are so fun to watch. I want the Lions to be good. But overall, the thing with David Montgomery is he's the epitome of you like having him in your flex. But for you, you'll never really win your league because of Montgomery unless Jameer Gibbs goes down, which is kind of shitty to like, you know what I mean? So you're kind of end up, basically you're paying for like this like solid flex guy. But the case.

[C]

Floor play.

[A]

It's a floor play which is in the part of your draft where you want ceiling plays.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

[A]

Xavier Worthy. Maybe the floor is a little. But the ceiling for Xavier Worthy is like, oh, well, he's Rashid Rice now. I am the captain now. And you're like, oh, wow. And you could do that for all these rash receivers. Which I won't go through of like DK Metcalf, Jameson Williams, Calvin Ridley, like, you know, Ted McMillan. I go through all these guys. The ceiling play is the reason you're taking them. And there's Montgomery, which is just a floor thing, but he's a weird guy for us to rank because there's modeling and projections and it's hard to come out with like a season long number for him. That accounts for. Well, if Gibbs pulls his groin or whatever, then he could do this and whatever. But in reality, that's actually one of the reasons that Jameer Gibbs is ranked so high. Because if anything happens to David Montgomery, who's what, like 30, 29?

[B]

He's 28. Shockingly, he's young. He actually just turned 28.

[A]

That's actually why. That's like how Ramantra is 27. And I'm like, what?

[B]

I know, 26. I would have bet a lot of money he was.

[A]

Yeah, so he's. God, I love him though. He's just the heart of that team.

[B]

So I wanted to work it out because I don't even know if I fully endorse this. But he is a guy that just like when he pops up in the round that he said, when you're in Yahoo, he's a great.

[A]

He's the epitome of this.

[B]

When you're on the draft widget, you know, like the top guy. Like, like everyone's drafting and usually James Connor just sits there for an extra round or two at the top and.

[C]

It'S like, sure is up.

[A]

Here's the problem with Montgomery is I do. He's also. I mean, he. I hate what day is today? We're recording this August 27th. For the record, even like, I think less than a week ago, he said, Jameer Gibbs, like, will be the best running back in the NFL. And he's his biggest fan. They, you know, they were called Peanut Butter and Jelly and they're like, no, no, that's kind of lame. And they try to rebrand themselves Sonic and Knuckles. And I'm like, yeah, give yourself a nickname. It's kind of lame, but they are actually friends. But I do think that this is the season where like, they're gonna. They understand that he's the heart and soul. He's. I believe he's a captain, but like, it's gonna get a little phased out and it's just weird in a range where that's. In theory, you're taking a second guy and a great team. But the guys around him are like, you know, there's Tony Pollard who's, I mean, Tasha Spears is on ir. Tony Pollard's the lead running back on maybe a bad offense that. But even if it's average, that's the thing. But who's on the field in week One at the goal line on the first drive. And you look around the guys around him, Pacheco. We think Pacheco is going to be the lead running back on the Chiefs drive. And like you in the first quarter and we think that like Tony Pollard certainly will be for the Titans. It's David Montgomery just might not be on like sometimes. Like sometimes maybe the first drive because his captain. But like Gibbs is the guy the Lions are going to want in there. And it's just weird. He's the first player you're drafting that like isn't really. You don't know it's going to be on the field. It's just weird, that's all.

[B]

He's kind of the beginning of like the upside is over tier. Like. Yeah, it's kind of the start of like, ah, now you're just kind of drafting solid flex players.

[A]

And that's the thing. It's like even James Connor, who you think, oh, James Connor, David Montgomery. There's something. No, James Connor is going to be on the field all the time for Arizona. And that's all. It's just the worst thing is like having a guy that's not on a flex actual running back spot for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're like, wait, put them in. Put him on the game, please. Sorry, I know I'm repeating myself, but.

[C]

That'S a hard game. Yeah, it's a hard thing to follow during a game.

[A]

Yeah. You want players who are on the field. Speaking of which, Joe Mixon. I know we keep repeating ourselves on this one too, but it's really simple. We've been on this for like a month, but basically. Joe Mixon. I don't think now they're kind of openly saying what we had thought, which.

[C]

Is they won't even acknowledge he will play the season.

[A]

Exactly. So he's. He is. I think we're moving him down even again. But basically I think that if you have an IR spot in your league and you want to take him in like round 14 and people are starting to take kickers.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Other than that, like, I kind of don't think he's going to play. We still don't know what the deal is with the starting running back. There's Nick Chubb, but it's Craig. You know, Nick Chubb is a empty calorie guy that we, I mean, look, if Nick Chubb makes it through the whole season on a bunch of volume touches, like, that's an awesome story. It's unlikely. I still think over he will start the year in September as their leading guy. But over the course of the season, the Damian Pierce for Houston, Woody Marks. Someone's going to merge. It's also possible. The Texans O line just sucks and actually none of these guys are good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Nick Chubb is probably the best bet by far to get you like 11 points in week one. I don't know if that matters. 11 points a game. Ultimately, it's kind of like if you're really desperate for running backs. Sure. I think Damian Pierce is like if you're totally so many. The Texans running backs win your league. It's probably Damian Pierce remarks over Chubb.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Mixon is like, unless you have an IR spot probably you shouldn't draft him.

[A]

Any other guys. You're just kind of like. You don't even see like kind of invisible to you as people.

[C]

And this guy's a very good player. I just have not been drafting Chris Olave for the Saints, I think and obviously the concussion concern is, I would say primary for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But also if you look a little bit more obviously the quarterback situation is in flux. Rattler is going to be the starter to start the season. We might see shuck later on in the season. It's probably not going to be a very efficient, explosive offense. But more importantly, I just think Shahid, Rashid Shahid and Chris Olave are closer in the way that they're going to be utilized and their overall just talent as players than their ADP would indicate. Right now, Olave is the 76th overall player according to fantasy pros wide receiver 33 and Rashid Shahid is the wide receiver 50, going 145th. I would just rather wait for Shaheed. I think you're scooping up the value that you can get in the Saints offense by doing that. I think they're probably going to have somewhat similar production and you don't have as much. Obviously Shahid's not been the healthiest player either. But like you don't have. It's. It's. It's a much cheaper bet that way.

[A]

What you just said dk, which is.

[C]

Basically it's like the Charbonnet Walker thing for me.

[A]

Instead of taking Chris Olave at cost, just take Rashid Shahid at cost. I wish that's one of the number one things I wish we had communicated. I had communicated more more when I was. The amount of times I said the Saints are. I don't like the Saints offense. I wish I had framed it that way of instead of Camara in the fourth round or a Lobby in the eighth round or whatever. Like, please just take Shaheed like outside the top 100. And I think you're dead on because I think he's going to be a complete receiver and he checks every box. We always talk about of the. The last guys that get the validation of we believe what you're doing are like guys like seventh round undrafted player. It's like, like the later you go in the draft, the more you have to do it. For us to actually accept we were wrong. Brock Purdy as the last pick. Aman Ross St. Brown had to be like a top seven receiver for like basically like a season and a half before we admitted it was going to keep going. Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, like all these guys, we just never. And Shaheed is like the classic. No one wants to. He's just such an outlier that people are afraid to get on board and then look dumb. Because what Craig said at the beginning of the show of oh, so you change your mind so you can't go back later. But like that's what people. So I think that's a great call. The other thing I just want to note, I was going through my notes and I found about Olave from last year. This is like, you know, if you don't want to draft this way, that's fine. But this is how I increase the think of fantasy as I get older is like I just wrote down I don't like watching Chris Olave play. Every time he gets tackled, I kind of like put my fingers like I kind of watch Chris Olavi through my fingers. Kind of like Tua. And if you don't give a shit about that, that's fine. But I just. When I watched the Dolphin, the Suvacus Tua was like one of my favorite players ever in college football history. And then I think since the hip, it's been a mess. But like I Olave, he gets hit and I'm like, ah. And I'm like, man, so that's my Sunday. I'm gonna watch Chris Olave and Spencer Rattler. Like Spencer Rattler tried to find Olave on a play and then Olavi gets hit. I'm like, that sounds stressful. I'm like, how about I just remove that cortisol cortisone for my Sundays.

[B]

It's a bummer, but I agree.

[A]

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[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. So we should just drop it out here.

[B]

Stop and be like, you're gonna hear that right now. When you're swinging a golf club quote unquote right handed, the most important arm is the left arm. That is the lead arm. That is the arm you focus on. That is the arm you need to be straight. Straight. That is the arm that determines the contact with the ball. You are really. It is a left hand dominant swing. If you are swinging quote unquote right handed, Same with baseball. The left hand is.

[A]

Oh, Jesus. What were you saying about your left hand? Accuracy.

[B]

God, dude, I'm soaking wet. It actually is shelter. That is what you're supposed to use to get stains out.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

You're welcome.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

So as you were. As he was saying, Craig has tremendous control and hand eye with his left hand. Right.

[B]

Craig, do you want to stop and clean up?

[A]

Absolutely not. This is all staying in the shell.

[B]

Greg.

[C]

Thanks for that.

[B]

I needed to spur.

[A]

That's got. Is that the cold open? Is that what we put on Instagram? That was great.

[C]

I'm going to move my water over here.

[A]

How many spills have been on this trip on this show?

[C]

That just shows you we've been on the grind.

[B]

Yeah. Actually no technology was harmed.

[C]

Okay, hold on. I don't want you to lose your train of thought here because what do you think about that tape? So I, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued because the. The thing that went to my mind because I was. I skateboarded and snowboarded back in the day and when you're like a right foot, like regular footed the opposite would be goofy.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Your left leg is the one that's.

[B]

Forward for what, goofy or regular?

[C]

For regular.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And you think left foot, you're saying right. So I don't know.

[A]

Hold on. You're saying a righty, your left foot's forward.

[B]

If you are right footed and you're.

[C]

Skating quote unquote, if you're right handed, you skate with your left foot forward.

[A]

But dumb question, but like, you're saying, like, I mean, isn't that the same as any swing where it's like, if you're batting righty, your left foot's forward. If you're playing golf. Right.

[C]

Your point is that like your left arm is.

[B]

The left hand is the most important hand on a right swing. And you're saying the left foot is the most important foot when you're skating.

[C]

Yeah, like you're doing the most dexterous.

[A]

Stuff, which isn't the power coming from your right side.

[B]

Yeah, but you push, but you jump.

[C]

Off your left foot when you're right handed.

[A]

I never learned a snowball.

[C]

When you try, go try jump off your right foot. You. You'll, you'll like almost fall down.

[B]

Wait, what? What are you talking about? You're talking about skateboarding?

[C]

No, I'm just talking about right, like playing basketball. Go jump off your right foot.

[B]

You do? Oh, yeah. You jump off your right foot, you.

[C]

Jump off your opposite foot.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

But is that just because you're trying to put a basket in with your right hand and like, just the nature of like.

[C]

I'm just saying opposite leg.

[A]

That's because I'm not good enough at basketball to be like, I'm gonna finish the shot lefty. And so I have just.

[C]

I don't know what it means. I'm not like making a point. I'm just saying it's. Yeah, it is kind of funny.

[B]

The real truth of it, it's not like I bat lefty or righty because I knew as a kid that, like, I think that's a left handed dominated swing. I probably did it because, like, my dad showed me how to hit a baseball and I did that.

[A]

How many people.

[C]

So he did actually do child abuse? He showed you how to do a right handed.

[B]

I guess. But yeah, anything single handed. I do left handed. But if I, if I like baseball and golf, I would do.

[A]

So how many people tuned into this episode for the first time having never listened to us wanting fantasy advice before? For the draft, I just heard that.

[C]

The left hand, right hand picked it.

[A]

Up and moved it Back like Phil.

[B]

Mickelson is right handed but he plays golf lefty.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

And he thinks it helps.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

His right hand is the most dexterous and that's what's most important for the swing. Interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. I think it's an interesting theory actually. I think he likes it, but he doesn't want to admit it because I think this, this is a classic.

[C]

This should have been my take.

[B]

It's such a classic Hivet's take to be like, actually the left hand is the important one in the right handed swing. And he's been very quick, quiet. Either you think it's dumb as or you secretly love it.

[C]

He's like, get off of my.

[A]

I wish we'd done this at the end of the show. Can we cut input at the end? Okay, yeah, I like that. In that case, then I will say yeah. I, I, I guess it's weird to me that ambidextrous people feel this way because as someone who I'm very imbalanced coordination wise. Like my right, like my left hand, I can't throw lefty. I can't do anything lefty. And the like, like the I, the I like what you're saying. The idea that I would switch and like try to do anything lefty, but you're saying lefty would be quote unquote righty. Like I, there's no chance I could swing any. Like I couldn't play golf or hit a baseball lefty, like never.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, of course, I mean same. If I tried to switch right now and back. What is like currently lefty? It'd be super hard. But I'm just saying I think the most important arm is switched and for what is considered left and right. I think for right handed left is more important than for left handed right. More important.

[C]

Anyway, what were we talking about?

[B]

Caleb and Gary isn't doing that much when you're golfing. We'll get into golf later. I, I feel like, but like the left arm is the one leading the way.

[A]

Do you think this is why I'm bad at golf? Because I'm very coordinated in my left hand.

[B]

You're good at golf.

[A]

What are you talking about? Maybe that's why I can't putt.

[C]

Did you spill water on me before or after we.

[B]

No, they just heard water.

[A]

So now we're coming back in and now they.

[C]

I'm dry. Pretty much.

[B]

Your pants look clean, so this works.

[C]

Well, probably less wrinkly now.

[A]

Now, this actually works chronologically well, because now we can talk about. We played golf on Sunday. We've never played golf together.

[C]

All I know is Craig. Craig texted me. He said, high. Fitz has a howitzer, and I'm just like, I can.

[A]

And then you should see me golf.

[B]

Hey, high Fit. Sandbag a little bit. I. Hightz was kind of like, I'm fine at golf. Whatever.

[C]

Yeah, that. That sounds right.

[B]

Yeah. Which is. That's the. That's the way to do it.

[A]

I mean, I am. I'm. I'm fine. I.

[B]

They're pretty good. I would say pretty good.

[A]

Tate is good. Tate is good.

[B]

Like, Tate is not good. Tate is great.

[A]

Tate is great.

[B]

Tate is a 2.2.

[A]

That was like, what's your handicap? Well, here's that point.

[C]

Two.

[A]

Yes, exactly. There's a point. You got a decimal in your handicap. You're good at golf.

[B]

When you're that close to shooting par, then you start to get into decimals.

[A]

2. There are layers to golf, and I. Tate is. You're right. Tate's great.

[B]

Tate's amazing.

[A]

Golf is.

[C]

It's awesome. Sorry, I just wanted to join.

[B]

It's also better to go. To do what Hivetz did, to say, like, I'm fine. And then you're a little bit better than you say. Than the other way where you're like, I'm great, and you show up and.

[C]

Miss under promise and over deliver.

[B]

How do you can pound the ball off the tee?

[A]

Well, that's new.

[C]

That's.

[B]

Question.

[C]

Can you. So, like, this is me being a very bad golfer. Like, hitting a driver. It's like, who knows where the that thing is?

[B]

There was. There was, I think, seven straight holes. It was kind of in the middle of the round. Like, maybe, like, hold.

[A]

Because I was using. Tate has an extra bag, which, by.

[B]

The way, Tate's backup clubs are like any normal person.

[A]

There were so many clues that Tate was good that I didn't realize. I just asked him to play golf. Didn't realize, like, he was so good.

[B]

Scotty Cameron.

[A]

Scotty Cameron Putter in his backup bag. I was like, whoa. It's like. It's like, you can drive my backup car, and it's a Lamborghini.

[B]

Hi. It swings like Bryson DeChambeau. He, like, kind of gets up, like, locks his knees stiff as hell. His Clubhead speed is 10 million miles an hour. Smacking takes, like, nine.

[A]

It's funny because it's new. Like, I actually changed philosophically a few years ago. I used to, like, go slow, put it straight yeah, 200 yards, but I know exactly where it's going.

[B]

Just swings as hard as he can, annihilates the ball.

[A]

He's saying that, but the ball doesn't go as far as you. That. He's saying, annihilate it. People can hit it far. No, Tate can hit it 300 yards.

[B]

Again, we're relatively. Stop comparing yourself, scratch golfer. You're not.

[A]

No, I'm not.

[B]

And he cr. There was, like, seven straight holes where he drove the ball, like, 285 dead straight, downhill.

[A]

Downhill.

[C]

Was it making the Happy Gilmore noise or. It was like.

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was screaming.

[A]

It did. No, it did. I will say I did cream a couple more. It was. I.

[C]

Did anybody tell you, hey, you should play at the Waterbury Inn this weekend?

[A]

No, the best was actually. We tried to drive a par four, and I actually put it off the back of the green. I was like, that's. That's. So. That's the most satisfying. It was downhill.

[C]

Whacker guy.

[B]

When I originally saw you kind of line up and you have a very interesting swing, you do this very weird. He does his leg thing.

[A]

About this.

[B]

Right before he swings, he takes his left leg and, like, pivots it inward.

[A]

It's unorthodox.

[B]

And then begins to swing. It's an orthodox jerky, like, turn in, and then he. But he smacks the bullet.

[A]

It's only weird if it doesn't work.

[C]

Who is the guy that would, like, jerk the bat around? Really?

[A]

Yeah, me. And so I can. Gary Sheffield. Yeah.

[C]

I just want to.

[A]

I also like speed walking between, like, everything I do between the shots, I try to do very quickly, because when.

[B]

I'm on the ball, he takes his time.

[A]

I have to take a bunch of practice swings to get the weird clanky thing. No, I don't think I'm a slow golfer, but on the ball. Tate, if you. If he puts the ball on the ground in the tee and you look away and you look back, you're gonna miss. Tate is on the ball for seven. He's like Lee Trevito. He's on the ball for seven.

[B]

No practice swings. He doesn't even let his practice settle behind. No.

[C]

Like, that's the way to do it.

[A]

Yeah. I wish I could be a 2 handicap just taking zero time whatsoever. That. That would be ideal.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Unfortunately, when I don't take my four practice swings, sometimes I've hit it 20 yards.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I just want to see this.

[A]

So also, wait, we forgot Craig eagled the first hole. I did. What yeah. Craig on the first hole on a par four. Craig actually. Yeah.

[C]

Drove the green like a little plaque black.

[A]

It was like.

[B]

That's like a whole one.

[A]

The first time is more. And to be clear, we're not driving par fours all the time. It was like.

[B]

That was a short hole.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What was a par four?

[B]

It was a par four, but the hole was like 280.

[A]

Yeah. It's like. I don't think it's like an executive. It's just. It was more like, It's a bunch we're playing.

[B]

It was like a slightly shorter nine. The back nine was more.

[A]

He drove the green and then just made the putt. So he had an eagle in the first one. Did you go?

[C]

Probably gonna be my best shot all day.

[B]

Honestly.

[A]

Yeah, honestly. We were like, we should go home. Yeah. But it's funny because we'd always joke that we would just never play golf together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're both kind of at the age we get obsessed with golf, but we're like, we're never gonna play. We actually made it happen. So shout to say.

[B]

And we're similar skill level, so that's always like, great when you find somebody who is.

[A]

Yeah, we're very similar. Craig's exactly my skill level, but, like, a little worse. So we can play. But I'll win every time, so it's fine.

[B]

I. I beat I by 10 str.

[A]

I lost, so. No, it's true. No, he beat me by L. By.

[C]

The way, they invited me.

[B]

Yeah. Not bad.

[A]

No, that's the thing. I hit the ball really well, but my putting is a mess at the moment.

[B]

And your drives, you lost the drive a little bit where it started to spray.

[A]

I'll say. I want one thing known about my golf scores. This. I keep. I take a breakfast ball, and then I count every stroke. So if I lose a breakfast ball, it's just a joke that if you up your first shot, you get a mold.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because it's like, whatever.

[B]

But that's the other thing Hivetz and I agree on is we're usually like, finish your putts. You're not like, I don't like drops.

[A]

Guinea culture is out of control.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

I should have an announcement.

[C]

Okay, here we go.

[A]

All the old people who think that, like Boomers who think the millennials are snowflakes. Fine. Bingo. Free card space.

[B]

You're giving up eight foot putts.

[A]

You guys are fucking lying about your putts. Gimme culture in the Boomer. Boomer generation is out of control. You. The idea that if people participation trophies. Yes, they. Participation trophies on greens. If people made boomers put out all the gimmes they give. Oh, my God, you have. You don't even want to know. And it is just a classic, like, honor.

[C]

Like, we're never doing any gimmes, ever.

[A]

We trap, no pot, everything out unless it's within. Like, within, like, original.

[B]

The original gimme rubric was, if it is the length of the grip of your putter, which is like a foot, we just gimmes. I don't know that if you. You. No one's missing.

[A]

We don't make someone tapping from 2 inches out. That's obnoxious. But like this, okay, if you like. It's not. It's obnoxious to make someone putt three inches out. We're talking about, like, if it's like, four. I watched Rory McElroy lose a goddamn US Open from three feet out. Now you're not as good as him.

[B]

It's gone from the putter grip to the length of the putter to really, like, the length of putter and a.

[C]

Half is a lot. Yes, that is actually.

[A]

It's crazy all the time.

[B]

It happens.

[A]

I think the gimme stuff's out of control.

[B]

And my rule is, whenever someone's like, that's good. I'm like, like, look, if I do this 10 times, I'll miss one of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's not a gimme. It's only gimme if I'll make it 20 out of 20 times.

[A]

So we agree in that. And I will say, I just. When I'm playing a course, I've never played actually in LA before. So when I'm playing a course, and the course we played with tape was really cool. It was really fun. It's in the, you know, it's in the Valley, so it's like Healy and all the stuff.

[C]

So if I hit a ball, I.

[B]

Do want to defend 95.

[A]

I do want to defend my 99 for a second and just say 1. My putting was horrific. I just changed how I putt. And it was a tough day for me. But I will say, if I hit.

[B]

A guy, defends his golf score, if.

[A]

I lose a ball off the tee.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I. I'm like, well, I'm not dropping. I want to hit another ball and I lose that one, I'm like, all right, well, I guess I'm gonna get a triple bogey quad on this one. And that is what happened to me. I lost a lot of tee shots. And you know what? I had a great time.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He played very, very good. He just. The last, like six holes, he lost his driver and he hit a bunch of balls ob. And that, that catches up with you. But you played great.

[C]

Sometimes, sometime when my family isn't here and it's not 95 degrees, I will complain.

[A]

Golf with you guys? No, I would love to dk. You know what's so fun?

[C]

I'm invited myself. You can't say no.

[A]

Is how everyone else feels about fantasy football.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is everyone else. DK's eyes just glaze up when you start talking about golf. DK's like.

[B]

Take a video of high fits on. On the tee box.

[A]

I can't believe you.

[C]

I want to see it in real life.

[A]

It looks, it's a weird looking swing. I wanted. I'm trying to get it to be one normal looking thing and I tried with the other clubs and I can, but I just couldn't.

[B]

I swing like the Terminator. But you also hit it as far as the Terminator, so It works.

[A]

Who's 100 degrees?

[C]

I feel like I'm offending golf fans when I say when you guys start talking about golf, my eyes glaze over. That's not true. I like the sport of golf. I don't want to hear your score.

[A]

It's like your fantasy team.

[B]

Do you know what that. Do you. You don't know what it means.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

What If I say 88? 98.

[C]

You don't know.

[A]

It's like telling your fantasy team to someone who doesn't play fantasy 72 is like a par.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Okay, there you go.

[A]

Look at you. But like, you like.

[C]

But like when you say I shot or whatever and blah, blah, and you start to talk about like the bogey I got on nine, I'm like, I. I don't care.

[B]

Shoot in the 70s, you're great. If you shoot in the 80s, you're really good. If you shoot in the 90s, you're solid, right? Yeah.

[C]

And if you're in the hundreds. If you're the hundreds, then you're just for doing it for fun.

[B]

Even low hundreds, I would say, is like, you can play a little. Once you get north of like 110, it's, you know, it gets a little more difficult.

[C]

I mean, my, my style of golf is like, I've never actually kept score because I suck, you know?

[B]

What's the other thing? How do you feel about the. You probably would have shot in a 12 on this hole, but you just give yourself a snowman like the. The cap at the triple, you have.

[A]

To do that because eventually what happens is you kind of. If you actually play competitive golf, you start. So, like, the reason I did ones where I just picked up a couple times, because I was like, I'm going to take a quad here, like a par 4. And I was like, I get pace.

[B]

To play and all this stuff.

[A]

No, it's not. Well, it's pace to play, for sure. But the other reason is you people end up strategically in basically, oh, no, I had a couple hundred and twenties before. And so you enter a tournament and maybe you're like, let's say you're 980 cap. Suddenly you're like a 14. And then see this story start losing. And so it gets like, it's actually unfair.

[B]

Inflate your handicap. Inaccurate.

[A]

If I had counted my score accurately because I lost so many balls, I would have been like. I probably would have been like. If I had taken. What am I going to do? Take a 12? Because I lost three balls in that one hole. And I'm like, But overall, though, then I would actually have a craz easy competitive advantage if I wanted to play someone competitively.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because I'm like, my handicap is not representative when I'm gonna shoot.

[B]

I will say, like, when you're not playing competitively, it is kind of annoying. I'm not saying you did this because that's not the case at all. But like, when you're playing with somebody else and it's like, I. I, like, struggle my way to a double bogey on a par five, and then I'm. And the other guy's ob four times. He's like, give me an eight. And I'm like, you were not one stroke.

[A]

It's like, you almost should keep the real score. And then, like, when you put it into the handicap system, if you do that, you should put it. You're right about that.

[B]

I mean, where it's like, you got a 12 and you're giving yourself a seven.

[A]

No, that's fair. Like, it is a golf Opada. You can't give yourself a 12 because you're like. That's actually. It's kind of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Funny way.

[C]

Speaking of golf, I want to. I have a question about, like, just the golf. I like the game of golf. I think it's funny. Like, all the tradition and everything.

[A]

No, that's good. Ask us, because everyone.

[C]

What's the worst.

[B]

It's just us.

[A]

It's just the three. No one's listening to the producers.

[C]

Yeah. What is the worst golf. What's the word? I'm like, not tradition, but like etiquette. The best and the worst golf etiquette.

[B]

What do you mean best? Like our favorite or.

[C]

Yeah, like, which one actually you like the most? And then which one do you think is.

[A]

So there's two. Well, there's.

[C]

I guess maybe you could just start with the.

[A]

There's fancy country club golf and then there's. For lack of what I'll call municipal golf. And like, I. I mean, I love munies. Like, I live in D.C. the etiquette.

[B]

That I like is like, you don't talk in somebody's backswing.

[A]

Yeah. You can't talk.

[C]

You don't. So you don't want people to think it's a rock concert.

[A]

Some ruining golf. When I, When I, When I lost that two balls, Tate Fraser was like, go back to your shanties.

[B]

You don't walk in front of somebody's line on the green.

[A]

Yeah, that's a.

[C]

You're not like, up the lie or whatever.

[A]

You don't.

[B]

You don't want to, like, step on that line.

[A]

The real big one is, although I have met a couple people are like, I actually would don't like when you are talking. Then stop talking during my swing. But for the most part, you don't talk while someone's like, hitting the ball. Like, that's big. That's the biggest one. And I think if you want to be like a next level guy, it's. I. I actually have learned that I have just. No offense to my friends listening. I have better vision than most of my friends. So I've learned that I actually. Which is ironic because I'm bad at remembering things.

[B]

You can track people's balls.

[A]

I can track people's balls. So I've learned that, like, I actually try to tell people where it's going.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

Which I was worried would annoy people. I'm like. But I'm like, oh, actually, the third tree in the shade. Go be like.

[C]

It's like the Ted Williams of tracking your ball. Yeah. What's the etiquette that you think is rules or etiquette?

[A]

Because there's the rules.

[C]

Either.

[A]

The dumbest rule of golf is that if you hit a ball where there's a lot. Well, the actual rules of golf about how teeing up works and if you lose a ball, you're supposed to go back is funny. But to me, there's a dumb rule that if your ball lands in a divot, you have to hit it at the Divot.

[C]

I hit it off a Frankenstein's fat.

[B]

Exact.

[A]

Exactly. But I'm like, you hit it in the fairway.

[B]

I mean, made.

[A]

It's man made. Like a sprinkler.

[C]

Right. Take your shot.

[A]

Divots. Man made.

[B]

He's right, Mr. Gilmore. I'm afraid he's right.

[A]

Nothing we can do. That's the stupidest head of the PGA.

[B]

I'm afraid he's right, Mr. Gilmore. Take your shot.

[C]

They allow him to hit it down a tube that goes out the middle anyway. All right, well, I don't know what.

[B]

The etiquette is that's like annoying that I don't like. I kind of like playing.

[C]

Like, you're not allowed to drive. Drive the golf cart on. Are you allowed to drive on the fairway?

[A]

That's a rule.

[B]

The cart will literally shut off if you get too close.

[A]

Well, that's the new electronic. No, the point is the. The course.

[C]

Like the waymos of the golf carts.

[A]

Yes. Honestly, they. Based on rain. Oh, yeah. We made him get. You made him get in a waymo. But based on how much the rain or whatever is going on, they'll let you drive to certain places. So sometimes, no fairways. You cannot drive in the green. Unless literally Donald Trump drives his car to the green every day. Which is funny, but other than that. No, you're not supposed to.

[C]

What's your guys take on using a golf cart in general?

[B]

Oh, I love it.

[A]

You know what's funny about that? I mean.

[C]

Okay, I actually, for some reason I thought, like, you'd be more of like a purist.

[B]

No, no. I mean, look, lug in your heavy bag if it's hot as hell. I mean, it saves you an hour. I just think it's.

[A]

I like walking, but also I don't have to play golf where. I mean, it's pretty hilly where you get. You probably play golf. Yeah, I like.

[B]

It's like untenable to walk. I like walking because also pace of play, like, if there's a foursome in front of you and they're all walking, you're like, I'm five and a half hours.

[A]

Hit it on the fairway. What? Hit it on the fairway. You don't have to look for your ball. No, I think the thing with. I will say it's funny still, it takes a while.

[C]

Takes a while to.

[A]

I used to get.

[B]

Walk to your ball in the fairway or drive to your ball in the fairway.

[A]

I would like get carts. And then I was talking to my good friend shout out my Friend, a boss who's in the marines. And I was like, so how do they like get you in shape to be a marine? Like, like, how do they. You just show up and then you're like, what is the process? He's like, what the are you talking about? About? And I'm like, you know, what's the. And he's like, how do you get in shape? He's like, you carry heavy all day. That's it. And then I started carrying my golf back.

[C]

Yeah. You go on these really long. I think they call it yogs. Yeah.

[A]

He's like, you just carry all day forever.

[B]

I'd rather just work out in a different way and drive. It's.

[C]

I'm not like against, I think golf cart. Like that's my most fun part is just like rip.

[B]

If it's 95 degrees, lug in your bag for four and a half hours. Yeah.

[A]

If it's 90. Yeah, yeah. Do you think so do you. When do you think people. The last person listening turned this off?

[C]

There's a lot of people that like golf. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. Look, our audience is a lot of dudes in their 30s and 40s. Who golfs?

[A]

You think, you think just going to get more went up at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right.

[B]

Wait, you never said you, you. Do you like or hate my left handed theory? My left handed.

[A]

That was the whole thing. Yeah, you.

[B]

You were.

[A]

You were right that I was the.

[C]

Theory that you would hit better if you did. If you hit lefty.

[B]

No, no. I'm just saying that a right handed batter is really using their left hand more and a left handed batter is using.

[C]

So that's guide versus lead too.

[A]

I was just about to say that with basketball. Wait, how do you shoot lefty? But that's a lefty shot, right?

[B]

Yeah, that's a single.

[A]

That's a lefty shot. Mostly because the.

[B]

The right hand of the.

[A]

I actually think we should. This is an interesting question. I think overall you're probably wrong. Like, just probably someone would have thought statistically. Well, just the odds that you're right. But however, it's.

[B]

I honestly, I don't even know if there is a right. I'm just saying. I like.

[A]

So here's.

[B]

I guess. I guess could you argue that the right hand is more important here?

[A]

So what I was thinking about when I froze and I didn't want to go into this early in the show, but I'm glad we picked it up and moved it because here's what I Was thinking about when you said that if I had to like, if I had to hit ball like 40 yards like and I could pick one arm to do it was like closest to the pin. I got one shot.

[B]

You'd pick your right.

[A]

I would pick. No, I'd pick my left hand and I think I'd probably be more able to hit a one hand. Well, no, I'd do right hand. That would definitely be.

[B]

Yeah right.

[C]

I think so.

[A]

But no, I, I, I don't know. I mean what did I know? I'm suck at golf. I mean look at me, I'm.

[B]

You don't suck at golf. Saying that you're sandbagging again.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

Be nicer to yourself.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Thanks dk. Everyone be nice to yourselves. It's hard out there when you, when.

[B]

When you have two hands on the club or the bat. I do think the lead arm is the important one.

[A]

Well, I think the nice. Well what you're getting at is actually it's the not that simple. On one hand it's like you're wrong but the other hand you're getting into the nature of what does it mean to be lefty? Is it about power? Is about coordination?

[B]

Doing something two handed. Being a right handed hitter like has nothing to do with being right handed.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You just say it because you're on the right side of the plate.

[C]

I will say this so interesting.

[A]

I would say this with a lot.

[C]

With all absolutely due respect to like MLB hitters, what they do is extremely hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think relatively to some of the other things I've tried to do left handed or goofy footed or whatever. Whatever. Like hitting lefty doesn't feel as weird as some of the other stuff.

[B]

I guess what I'm saying is like.

[C]

There'S a lot of like switch hitting players in the mlb.

[A]

Cal Raleigh is having the best like switch hitting season since Mickey Mantle.

[C]

So like obviously I'm not a good baseball player, I'm not a good hitter, whatever. But I thought like the feel like the it didn't feel as weird as like throwing with your left hand.

[A]

Yeah, throwing with your left hand is.

[C]

Like impossible or like writing like goofy footed or whatever like skateboarding goofy. That stuff all felt way more unique. Like you just unnatural. Wasn't good at it. But I could hit lefty if there has to be.

[B]

I think what I'm trying to say is that I think the connection between what you do with your single hand versus what you do with a two handed sport is not that there's not that much connection.

[A]

I don't know who, what the discipline is. But if you are either like a neurologist or like a throwing coach or like a doctor or like just an actual mechanics expert. I don't know kinesiologist, I don't know the person. But can you email us @ringer fantasy football gmail.com to explain us, Tell us if Craig is just straight up wrong. But I also do. What you're talking about though is what is the nature of being a righty mean. And then also how does it actually apply to rotational sports? Which is interesting because the other reason and the other reason is interesting is that I wasn't, I didn't expect.

[B]

I don't think being right handed makes you better at batting right handed. I don't think that there's a connection. Is my point interesting? I think you just do it because that's what, what most people do.

[A]

It feels. I feel like I don't know if.

[B]

Having the dominant right hand like throwing, riding, whatever. I don't know if that translates to a two handed sport where you're swinging a baseball.

[A]

No, but on one level it has to be connected to throwing because it's all the same rotational activity like throwing a football. Functionally speaking, if you forget the exact details. Throwing a football, hitting a tennis ball, like bowling, golf, those are all single handed sport. Yeah, but the point is rotational. It's all the same thing. A baseball swing like it is all on one level kind of the same. And so maybe it's as simple as the act of using one hand more means you're like neuromuscularly like all the muscle groups are just easier using that way. So maybe you're right. But also also the active, I don't know. But they're not different. Like, like hitting a baseball is not as different as you think it's throwing a football.

[C]

I also think it's interesting maybe I already said this because we've had this conversation now like half an hour apart. I feel like there's a lot more left handed throwing people that hit right handed than there are right handed throwing people who hit lefty. Is there.

[A]

I say that again because you're right.

[C]

But lefties. I've had a few lefties handed friends in my life who hit right handed.

[B]

My brother Phil Mickelson is extremely rare. It's rare to find a righty that bad.

[A]

My brother is a good test like a good experiment of this because everything my brother was taught to do, he does righty. Everything he Learned to do himself. He's a lefty. So like he was, he writes with right hand but he b lefty. You know, everything he just picked up, he was lefty. So my parents just thought he was righty and they were wrong. Which is funny, right? And then you have guys like Tua or like Randal was trained to go lefty to be like a even though he's actually a righty. Then you have people like Tua where his dad made him go lefty, but that doesn't actually help you, it actually hurts you. It's kind of funny that Tua's lefty, but he's naturally a right righty. That's still a bizarre choice that they made there. But the, that is interest. I I there is something here. I don't know if your take is exactly right, but whatever you're noticing, I do think there is something to what you're saying.

[B]

Yeah, there's always when I, when I picture like batting right handed, I'm like, I don't think this is a right handed dominant activity. You know what I mean?

[A]

Just cuz you're a lefty though.

[B]

That's, that could very well be.

[A]

I think a lot of people are screaming that with a film.

[B]

The only reason I started thinking about this is because Phil Mickelson has said this and he was saying me as a righty. Golfing lefty helps me. And that was what put it in my brain and I was like, oh, interesting. I never thought about that.

[C]

But how different, how different is like so say you're playing tennis and I don't follow tennis closely enough. Some I imagine people do their forehand and what's the forehand and backhand? Yeah, some of them do it two handed, right? Both.

[A]

Yeah. That's the, it was one hand for a long time and now two hands, the standard.

[C]

So like there's not much difference between, in terms of, of like swinging a baseball bat and swinging a tennis racket. Forehand, backhand and being a switch. Maybe it's like your feet are different.

[B]

I'm left handed in tennis.

[C]

Right? Right.

[B]

So my left hand is my forehand. But when I switch to backand then it becomes a right handed baseball swing.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Isn't that weird? But I'm left handed.

[C]

That's what I was saying.

[B]

Their backhand is a left handed baseball swing.

[C]

Right. You know, that's what I was trying to say.

[A]

I or it's like it, I'm. I need to do my own research. Is this what Joe Rogan's I don't know. It's like lefties. They're actually right.

[C]

There's not an answer here.

[B]

This is just a fun hypothetical talking experiment. I want to. We've completely lost it. Really.

[A]

I don't know. All right, let's get the fuck out of here. Okay. If anyone made it this far.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Genuinely bottom of my heart. Thank you.

[B]

I never thought about the tennis one but yeah, right. I, Am I right about that?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Lefty forehand, right.

[A]

Ask how you play tennis.

[B]

No, I'm saying for anybody. If, if you were a right handed tennis player and you obviously hit your forearm right handed, when you bring it over to hit backhand, this becomes, it's.

[A]

Like it's not a baseball swing, but it's the only thing I do that.

[B]

Your hands are as if you were batting lefty.

[A]

Close enough. Sure. It's the grips a little different, but yeah. Which hand is on top of the.

[B]

Other is a left handed base.

[C]

My buddy Logan was a really good chess player last Kim.

[B]

Okay, ask Logan.

[A]

But it's interesting too because you know what's funny about the backhand is you would. It's almost hard for me. You're right. But it took me a second because I would never hold my left my hands for a backs, for a backhand the way you would for a baseball bat. So I actually had to think and cut to the middle of.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Enough to really know what the. I, I can't picture it.

[B]

I see.

[A]

I, I, I guess what's interesting is just the idea that like you're the nature of how important the lead hit is. That's an interesting. How much power. Yeah, the nature. It's just at the end of the day though, it's all coming from your feet. Anyway. The whole thing's actually about. That's why Scotty Shelfers is the number one. The hips he's transferring. It's funny that Scotty leaves the ground when he hits all in the hips. But guess What? He's transferring 100% of his energy to the ball because his feet left the ground. It's all coming like all this stuff is just a rotational kinetic chain.

[B]

You know how like Jordan Love and Rogers like are off the off the ground when they throw. That's like Scotty's in the air when.

[A]

He hits the ball. It's literally the same thing. You are creating a chain of kinetic energy. Energy from your feet, the tips of your toes, through the tips of your fingers into the ball. And it is just the arm strength as we know it. Has nothing to do with that. It's core strength, and it's how much of the energy leaks from your kinetic chain from your feet to your arm and when. Scotty, what I just said is the most accurate possible explanation. And you're gonna make fun of me, but I don't care.

[B]

No, no, I wasn't at all.

[A]

Oh, okay. Sorry.

[C]

Just reminds me of the thing I've seen, like, on edge bits on Instagram of golf teachers with all this they, like, will put on the ground and, like, where you're supposed to golf and, like, have, like, something around your waist. It' all this. I'm like, it sounds complicated.

[A]

When I was about to end the show and I went on that rant. God damn it, let's get the out of here.

[B]

You know? You know the dark Prescott hip thing?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's kind of what Heifetz does. But right before he swings.

[A]

That is what I do. Yeah, that is. That is exactly what it is. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, God. All right, I gotta go golfing with.

[A]

Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Dak, for the. Honestly, Tom Brady helped me golf swing a lot.

[B]

Thanks, Tate, for taking us golf.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you, Shout Out. Tate, thank you for taking us golfing. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, ct. Thank you, Chris. I don't know. There's a lot of people behind that studio. I think there's an entire different pod waiting for us to end this show. Thank you for emailing us. Ringerfancyfootball, gmail.com, email us. What did we want? We want the lefty righty thing. If you have any kind of experience, really discipline that can answer these questions, email us there. Also, we're getting close to the season.

[C]

Left handed. If you're right handed, we'll start sending.

[A]

Trivia questions for waivers. Start sending us trivia questions for showdown time. It has to be a number. Start sending those in and, yeah, email us whatever else we asked for. Thank you to everyone. And thank you, Lord, Lord.

[C]

Whoa. Thank you, nerf herder.

[A]

Someone named a band after the slur in Star Wars.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Who's scruffy looking? It's an old school punk band. The reason I thought of them is they have one of their favorite songs or one of my favorite songs is called Golf Shirt. Okay, look it up. Good, good, good old. Just like. I guess. I don't know what. How you describe them. California pop punk. Maybe they're not from California.

[A]

I always wonder what like cherished childhood memory is deleted from DK's brain so that he could keep the knowledge that Golf Shirt was performed by Nerf Herder.

[C]

Nerfur was great, man.

[A]

What about him?

[B]

Doesn't he throw righty but bat lefty?

[A]

Let me look it up. Otani hits left and throws right. Yeah.

[C]

Wow. So he's like.

[B]

No, he's just the best.

[C]

Yeah, he's the one of one. Yeah.

[A]

Craig knows the way to my heart is my favorite thing that's ever happened in sports that had nothing to do with my team.

[B]

Okay. I don't know now if this is. But Gemini says Freddie Freeman, Bryce Harper, Kristen Yellick, Joy Voto, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Yogi Berra, all throw right, bat left. I don't know.

[A]

That's kind of. I'm well. No, but batting left, though, is also well.

[C]

Some guys choose to bat left because they're good, because it's more advantageous. It's a right hand.

[A]

There were just fewer lefty pitches back in the day. I think that now more p. Want to be lefty because it's right. But. Yeah, it was just easier at the time. But also, that was bad. You know, there weren't that many people.

[B]

Yeah, I was just wondering. I was like, who. Who does throw right but bat left? And it's literally the best player in the league.

[A]

I. I don't know what you've identified.

[B]

Something's there.

[A]

But there is something about what you're discussing that's interesting. And the other interesting thing while we're doing this is I think there'd be more lefty quarterbacks, but coaches don't want to teach lefties because it's just. Frankly, it's annoying.

[B]

Can we complain about that? Lefties?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do we have grounds to bitch about that?

[A]

Didn't I just talk about this in the show the other day? Or did we cut it? That Steve Young was moved his freshman year at byu. He was quarterback. New coach comes in or. Sorry. The old new coach was like, fuck this. Put him at safety. Cause he's like, we gotta flip all our plays. Which is so.

[C]

Flipping plays.

[A]

Yeah, flip the plays. Which on one hand is like.

[C]

Should have just put it on the overhead projector. Just flip the screen. Flip the thing over. That's easy.

[A]

Overhead projectors have been lost. But no, but on the other hand, like, I get it. Like, you're going to teach everyone differently for the other. But here's the thing. The next coach came in, got guy fired. Wonder why? Because he didn't know Steve Young was Good. And the guys just one day he.

[C]

Was like, let's make Steve Young safety work.

[A]

So this new coach comes in, Steve Young's the third string safety and Steve Young on the scout team just has to throw a football back down the sideline. The coach is like, what the was that?

[C]

It's like Uncle Rico.

[A]

He's like. And he literally was like, what happened? He's like, yeah, it was quarterback. He's like, you're the quarterback now.

[C]

And that's what BYU classic like movie trope.

[A]

I hear that. And I think about how many guys like just never got that second chance of like they were converted. I'm like, how many guys could have been me?

[C]

Like my high school coach said I couldn't be quarterback.

[A]

I think all the time about Terrell Prior. Like in nil era, probably could have been pretty grow. Anyway, whatever.

[B]

Us lefties, man, we. We have it hard.

[A]

All right. Yeah, email us to lefty buy us too. All right, goodbye everyone.

[C]

Foreign.

[A]

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