Assessing All 32 QB Situations, Who Needs One the Most? Plus, is Mahomes Cool?

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show — Episode Summary

Assessing All 32 QB Situations, Who Needs One the Most? Plus, Is Mahomes Cool?

Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this post–Super Bowl episode, Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck recap the fallout of the Seahawks’ championship victory and then dig into every NFL team’s quarterback situation for the upcoming 2025 season. The trio debates which teams must find a new quarterback, who’s truly set for next season, and which franchises are wandering in QB no-man’s-land. Along the way, they touch on major coaching moves, the state of the Chiefs and Ravens, and address perhaps the greatest modern NFL philosophical debate: Is Patrick Mahomes cool?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Seahawks’ Super Bowl Recap & Franchise Identity

• Kelly and Horlbeck open with the celebration after the Seahawks' Super Bowl win, comparing the vibe of this Seattle team to the famous 2013 “Legion of Boom” squad.
  • Notable Quote (Danny Kelly):
    “This Seahawks team doesn’t even care [about respect]. They don’t care about whether you respect them... their mantra is mob ties — Mission Over Bullshit.” (07:03)
• Discussion of Coach Mike Macdonald’s impact and the Seahawks' businesslike, controlled culture compared to Pete Carroll’s brash teams.
• On “mob ties,” the new identity, and the evolution from Legion of Boom:
  • Danny Kelly: “The 2013 Seahawks... loudly demanded respect. This team doesn’t care. They quietly earned it.” (07:43)
• Quick detour on Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl performance and the GPS stat: Bad Bunny carried the ball for 124 yards on stage (compared to the Patriots' 79 rushing yards). (10:38)

2. Patriots' Post-Super Bowl Malaise

• Read listener email unpacking why New England’s fanbase didn’t hurt much after their Super Bowl loss—because they've “been spoiled.”
  • Listener Email:
    “[As a Patriots fan]... it just seems we overachieved on a bad schedule and it was just fun to watch Drake May.” (13:13)
  • Craig: “That’s not cope, that’s just being spoiled... it’s champagne problems.” (13:40)
  • Stat highlighted: Patriots have appeared in 12 of 60 Super Bowls.

3. Early Super Bowl Odds for 2026 — Who’s Being Slept On?

• Top tier: Seahawks/Rams, followed by Ravens, Bills, Packers. Chiefs part of next tier at 15–20:1.
• Begs the question: “Is it over for the Andy Reid/Mahomes Chiefs?”
  • Danny Heifetz:
    “The Chiefs... will always be a dangerous playoff team, but I don’t think they’re a Super Bowl lock anymore... This is what the Andy Reid Eagles did all over again.” (16:11/16:19)
  • Spirited debate on Mahomes’ future and Andy Reid’s age/adjustability.
  • Craig (on Mahomes’ ACL and age):
    “Tom Brady tore his ACL at 31. That, to me, means nothing.”
  • Danny K: “They’ve lost their superpower. But they’ll be a problem as long as Mahomes is there.” (18:20)

4. Is Mahomes Cool? (And Other Existential Questions)

• Later in the episode, they return to debating Mahomes’ “coolness” — style vs. substance and the difference between “cool” and “great.”
  • Key Debate:
    • Craig: “Is Patrick Mahomes cool?” (84:00)
    • Danny H: “The way he plays is cool.” (86:42)
    • Craig: “As a personality, who’s cooler: Mahomes or Burrow?” (87:36)
  • They note the gap between on-field greatness (Mahomes) and off-field “cool” (Burrow, Allen).

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5. Around the NFL: Team-by-Team QB Assessment (by Division)

AFC North

• Steelers: Strong likelihood for Aaron Rodgers–Mike McCarthy reunion; no upgrade needed now, but developmental QB wanted.
  • Danny K: “I think Rodgers is probably their best option. Yes.” (21:39)
• Bengals/Ravens/Browns:
  • Ravens: Lively debate on if Lamar still gives the Ravens a real Super Bowl window. DK & Craig think Baltimore (and history) makes a Chiefs repeat more likely.
  • Browns: “They need a QB”… again. Deshaun Watson (expensive, injury-prone) vs. Shadur Sanders/Dylan Gabriel. Organizational purgatory.

AFC South

• Jags/Texans/Titans:
  • No QB change needed. Colts: Daniel Jones coming off Achilles, likely re-signed (franchise tag or short deal). Draft is too weak to gamble.

AFC West

• Broncos: Bo Nix is “the guy”—but Sean Payton made waves questioning Nix’s health/candidacy.
• Chiefs/Chargers:
  • No change at QB. Chargers' staff adds Adam Gase (“You good?” C-section story recounted at (35:09)).
  • Chargers now projected as a “nightmare blunt rotation” with coaching personalities (Harbaugh, McDaniel, Gase).

AFC East

• Patriots, Bills: Set.
• Jets: Existential crisis. Top candidates: Derek Carr, Tua if dumped, Malik Willis “mystery box.” (Funny debate on which QBs not to put in Jets green.)
• Dolphins: Tua openly shopped; could be cut. Kyler Murray floated as a trade/cut-and-swap. Malik Willis to Miami or Arizona mulled.

NFC East

• All four teams set for 2025.
• Major note: Eagles lose O-line coach Jeff Stoutland.
  • Craig: “Too many egos. Not the Eagles. The Egos—the Philadelphia Egos.” (50:07)
• Stoutland’s departure seen as a “Jenga block pulled from the bottom.”

NFC North

• Bears/Packers/Lions: Set.
• Vikings:
  • Wildest situation. “Do you put Kirk Cousins back in? What about J.J. McCarthy?”
  • Consensus: If Cousins returns, he starts; McCarthy “punting the QB question down the road.” GM already fired for the muddle.
  • Craig: “There’s no way McCarthy is better than Justin Jefferson is going to start—a mutiny if they do.” (53:02)

NFC South

• Every team stuck with flawed options (Bryce Young; Baker Mayfield; Tyler Shough; Michael Penix back from injury). Saints expected to deal Derek Carr, possibly to Jets.

NFC West

• Niners: Brock Purdy + Mac Jones (likely one of the NFL’s top QB duos for reliability/insurance).
• Rams: Stafford returns. They hire Cliff Kingsbury as OC (“Who’s going to have the cooler house—McVay or Kingsbury?” at (66:49)).
• Cardinals:
  • Kyler Murray likely gone, team wants a full rebuild. Possible Kyler-for-Tua swap with Miami.
  • Craig: “Kyler Murray is the last quarterback I'd want in the NFL right now... It’s the exact wrong time to buy in on him.” (77:42)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Danny Hyffit, on Patriots fans:
  “This just doesn't really hurt because this whole season snuck up on us... We overachieved on a bad schedule and it was just fun to watch Drake May.” (13:14)
• Craig, on the Chiefs:
  “I would still happily gobble up any Mahomes stock that you're selling. Tom Brady tore his ACL at 31—that, to me, means nothing.” (17:48)
• On the “Mob Ties” Seahawks:
  “Their whole rallying call this year was ‘Mob Ties: Mission Over Bullshit.’” (07:04)
• On the new Chargers coaching room:
  “We have Harbaugh, fucking Mike McDaniel, and Adam Gase. Insane nightmare blunt rotation.” (35:01)
• On the Eagles’ coaching departures:
  “The Eagles... just alienate [Stoutland] even more and kick him out.” (49:46)
• On the Vikings’ QB chaos:
  “If Kirk Cousins gets signed by the Vikings, he will be the starter. J.J. McCarthy—he just needs reps... but they are kicking the can down the road.” (54:00–54:35)
• On Kyler Murray/Tua Tagovailoa as reclamation projects:
  “Kyler is the definition of no man’s land to me. He's going to be 29, he has the worst style frame for aging in the NFL at quarterback, and you have to pay him so much money.” (77:42)

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Funny/Notable Bits

• Bad Bunny’s halftime “GPS” stats compared to Patriots actual rush yards. (10:31)
• Extended riff on Adam Gase leaving his wife after a C-section to meet with Peyton Manning. (35:08)
• Discussion of possible uniform/color redesign for the Jets to break the “curse” of their look. (44:05)
• Ongoing “frame-mogging/height-mogging” banter between McVay and Kingsbury. (66:31)
• A tongue-in-cheek question: Who’s the worst QB who could have won the Super Bowl with this year’s Seahawks? (Consensus: Malik Willis could pull it off.) (79:17)
• Deep dive into “coolness” — is Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow “cooler”?
  • “The way he plays is cool... But the accomplishments don’t make you cool.” (86:44)

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Selected Timestamps

• 06:31: Comparing the 2013 Seahawks & today’s team: “Pat Carroll’s brash group vs. today’s militant, serious team.”
• 13:13: Patriots fan email on “copium”/spoiled feelings
• 16:11: Is the Chiefs’ reign “over”?
• 21:39: Steelers QB room—Rodgers is the best option
• 35:09: Adam Gase’s “you good?” C-section story
• 49:46: Eagles lose their “secret Excel file”—O-line coach Stoutland
• 54:01: Vikings QB chaos: Kirk or J.J.?
• 66:30: “Who will have the cooler house, McVay or Kingsbury?”
• 77:42: Kyler Murray’s future: the new NFL “no-man’s land” case study
• 86:44: “The way he plays is cool... Accomplishments don’t make you cool.”

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Tone & Style

Informal, passionate, and sometimes heated, packed with locker room humor, pop-culture references, and playful accusations. Contributions from all three hosts blend snark, analysis, and honest fandom.

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Conclusion

In a uniquely off-season episode, the Ringer crew delivers a team-by-team, no-holds-barred QB audit for 2025—pinpointing quarterback “haves,” “have-nots,” and “total purgatory” situations. Along the way, they deep-dive on Seattle’s dynasty potential, the fate of Andy Reid and Mahomes, and the meaning of “cool” in modern NFL stardom. There’s equal helpings of football insight, existential quarterback angst, and meme-level culture (frame-mogging, Mahomes’s “Coors Light” contract, and more). For fans prepping for free agency or next season’s fantasy drafts, this is the definitive “what’s next?” quarterback episode.

Transcript

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[Danny Hyffit]

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[Danny Kelly]

We did it.

[Danny Hyffit]

We did our Seahawks super bowl recap.

[Danny Kelly]

The perfect season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Absolute cinema.

[Danny Hyffit]

No notes. We're going to go through all the teams in the NFL and which ones need a quarterback and just other stuff that's happened since we last talked about the other 30 teams in the NFL. Not just the Oaks and Patriots. But first one last time. DK. It's been 24ish hours since Will Campbell got frame mogged by all the Seattle boys and Floyds.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

How does it feel waking up today being a Super bowl champion, basking?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I'm just letting it wash over me.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How nice is it going home last night laying in your bed and just opening up Twitter and just scrolling. Oh yeah, there's no better feeling than your team winning a huge game and then just logging online, watching all the.

[Danny Kelly]

Watching all the party celebration videos.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The fucking best.

[Danny Kelly]

All the speeches, you know, the people.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Crying, staff start trickling in how great the game was.

[Danny Hyffit]

You see Ken Walker and Darnold in the little teacup at Disney World?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I did.

[Danny Kelly]

That was today. I did not see that yet.

[Danny Hyffit]

Pretty great.

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah Man, Disneyland or World?

[Danny Hyffit]

I always confuse it.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The one in California.

[Danny Hyffit]

Wherever they went, I'm sure it was.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The one in California.

[Danny Kelly]

Disneyland, right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Crazy. If they flew to Orlando.

[Danny Hyffit]

The line is going to Disney World.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I have to imagine they went to Disneyland.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, they went to Disneyland.

[Danny Kelly]

Somewhere in the bay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're right. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But no, it feels great. Feels great getting a ton of texts from all my friends. I'm just like learning how much fun everybody had. Last night has been awesome.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. What was the best text you got?

[Danny Kelly]

My dad actually texted me that he. He got to the point in the game last night where he felt bad for Drake May. You know, you know, it's a ass kicking where you start feeling bad for the other team.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's like my mom, she feels bad when quarterbacks throw interceptions, right? Yeah. She's like, oh, that shouldn't be a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

This is gonna be bad.

[Danny Hyffit]

You email us actually, if you have parent takes like that. Ringerfantasyfootball gmail.com like, my mom feels bad when they throw a pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that's a good take.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So bad.

[Danny Hyffit]

There's a lot of pressure on this guy.

[Danny Kelly]

So there's that. I do kind of feel bad for Drake May. I don't think he deserves all the blame for that loss. I think it was a team loss by the Patriots, a team win by the Seahawks. The other thing I think that kind of became apparent last night as I was going through everything is the. The super bowl was kind of a dud. I know. You know, unbiased. Everybody kind of thought that super bowl was boring.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Except for Seahawks fans. But if you look at sort of the, the way that the Seahawks got to the super bowl and won it, getting through both the 49, the 49ers two times and the Rams twice in. In very iconic, fun, exciting. Down to the minute or down to last minute games. I think the way that Seahawks got to the super bowl was really cool and really memorable. I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I bet you do.

[Danny Hyffit]

You're like, I loved beating my two divisional rivals. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's like, when we beat the Niners by 40, that was super entertaining.

[Danny Hyffit]

Everybody loved it from the literal opening kickoff. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No, but I'm like, immediately over. I'm comparing it to, you know, other runs in Seahawks history and like the, obviously the 2013 Super bowl, that was an iconic run. Some of the wins that they had in those, in those playoffs. And I think if you look at sort of the, the last six or seven weeks of the Seahawks season, You know, it's going to be one of the all time seasons. So. Yeah, I think the other thing, I thought that was interesting and we talked about this a little bit on the recap show, but the identity and the personality of the Seahawks team relative to that 2013 Seahawks team, the Legion of Boom team, is so different. And it's interesting how teams take on the personality of their coach. I think this happens in a lot of sports. And Mike McDonald is just so. He's kind of serious and just on it with all the details. And I think the Seahawks of the 2013 Seahawks, the Legion of Boom era, they were the type of team that were really loud, really brash. I mean, Pete Carroll kind of collected all these random, very high personality, abrasive people. I mean, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Marshawn Lynch, Michael Bennett, go through the line. Doug Baldwin who's like openly, you know, sort of undermining Russell Wilson throughout that whole period. It was just such a crazy collection of people. And then you go, this Seahawks team, and they're very quiet and militant. Yeah. Like someone said this on. On Twitter. I was like, they were, they were almost like non plussed when they won the super bowl is like, oh, we kind of knew this.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They were like on to Week 1 Seahawks.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, the Seattle players.

[Danny Kelly]

The.

[Danny Hyffit]

It reminded me almost of the Chiefs and when I the. This flex. But like I was in the locker room when they won the third one and I was like, they. They were so like, it was the new. No, the Chiefs won. Well, yeah, the Chiefs Eagles.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They beat the Eagles the first time.

[Danny Hyffit]

In Arizona and they were so like, been there, done that. Like, it was so routine. And it was weird how the Seattle players also kind of felt like we fully expected to do this. And this isn't like a couple guys are like, this is the greatest moment of my life. But a lot of them were also just like, yeah, cool, we did it.

[Danny Kelly]

We were going to win.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I would say so.

[Danny Hyffit]

Like, impressive to get guys to the point where they can expect it buy in personality wise.

[Danny Kelly]

And this is the kind of way I frame it. The, the 2013 Seahawks Super bowl team, you know, that Russell Wilson, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman team, they loudly demanded respect from everyone. And every moment they got, they were like basically you to. To anybody that doubted them. And this Seahawks team doesn't even care. They don't care about whether you respect.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Them or quietly earned your respect.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. And their, their whole rallying call this year was mob ties. Mob ties and mission over bullshit is sort of their. Their mantra.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So what is it? Mob ties, Mission over, bullshit, dark side. How many fucking things.

[Danny Kelly]

We'Ll get.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We'll.

[Danny Kelly]

I like mob ties. I think that's good because it's like Legion of Boom, but mob instead of lob.

[Danny Hyffit]

Sure. It's not MOG ties. They're mocking everyone.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I mean, they're frame mogging.

[Danny Hyffit]

They're frame. Frame mog the patient.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wait, explain mob ties. Like their ties are the Legion of Boom?

[Danny Kelly]

No, they're like MOB is. It's an acronym for mission over.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

So they're not. They're not engaging in all the outward. Their mission is focused on the mission. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, and I think it does kind of represent the type of team they are, the type of personality they have as a team. Like, the mission is the only thing that matters. They don't. They don't partake in all that other.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Stuff, which is funny. The phrase mob dies to me makes it seem like they're cheating and they have, like, nasty connections under the table that get things done.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think it's a clever play on the fact that the other really famous defense was called LOB for Legion of Boom, and the next letter in the Alphabet is M. So they were like mob. They're like these other shit over bullshit. And it worked out well.

[Danny Kelly]

I wonder if they. They reverse engineered that. Probably. I like it more than the dark side, though.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dark side's tough.

[Danny Hyffit]

Dark side never stop.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Where did Legion of Boom come from?

[Danny Hyffit]

I think they're actually the age that Legion of Doom was like, the show.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

They were kids.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh.

[Danny Hyffit]

So they like Legion of Doom, and.

[Danny Kelly]

Then they remade some of the, like, artwork from Legion of Doom.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Which I don't actually really know what the Legion of Doom was.

[Danny Hyffit]

All I think is that just the guy comes up with this. He's like, ah. He just laughs in the little swamp or whatever.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're asking the wrong.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a comics thing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't really know anything about dc.

[Danny Kelly]

Also, Marshawn lynch commercial after the game. I don't know if you guys saw. This was, I think, the first commercial they went to after the game.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I tapped you on the shoulder. I was like, this is awesome. Watch this. And I was like, scrolling Twitter with one hand. The other hand was in his pants.

[Danny Kelly]

But it was like, basically it was a Nike commercial for Marshawn Lynch.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And he said, nothing tastes as good as getting a lick back. Which, I'm gonna be honest, I had to look up what that meant. I Don't. I don't. I don't use that slang.

[Danny Hyffit]

I've had to Google a lot of things.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, basically, it's just. Getting revenge is great. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Getting a lick back. I mean, look like a punch.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Right. Yes.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Get your licks in.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think it's obvious.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Because anyway, Marshawn lynch getting revenge for not getting the football on that final play, the fateful play in. In Super Bowl.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Would you give up this super bowl to have won that Super Bowl?

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Probably.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Back to back is rare.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, you do that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. You'd be Brady. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's easy.

[Danny Kelly]

But this feels good still.

[Danny Hyffit]

But having Super Bowls 10 years apart or 12 years apart is also kind of nice.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. Because now you've just been talking about 10 years ago for a long time. You kind of reset the clock.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

You know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I also think. And one of the reasons I brought up everything about the personality of this team is it does feel to me a little more stable than the. The last Seahawks team, where it was like, man, Pete's got to hold this thing together for as long as he can because it's so many big personalities. And, you know, this one feels to me a little more stable in the sense that, I mean, I think there'll be a very good team next year. I mean, the odds opened. They're the super bowl favorite right now, of course, according to the odds. And so that gives me some excitement for, you know, 20, 26 and beyond.

[Danny Hyffit]

I want to apologize that we missed the stat of the game, which was the Patriots ran for 79 yards, but Bad Bunny carried a football for 124 yards.

[Danny Kelly]

He went for 124.

[Danny Hyffit]

They did the GPS track. He had the football for 124 yards.

[Danny Kelly]

So does that include him climbing up the pole or, like, falling into the.

[Danny Hyffit]

They don't have the 3D track, the elevation, two dimensions.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, you go.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, when you do hiking or biking, they do the elevation.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. You have your whoop now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. It would tell me.

[Danny Hyffit]

What do you think its strain was?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that was, you know, a good 11 and a half.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would love to know what his heart rate was.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

All these, like, megastars. I want to know what their heart rate is when they're on stage. It's probably very low.

[Danny Hyffit]

Right. I think even he's nervous for that. I think the only person who wasn't nervous doing it was probably, like, Michael Jackson.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I wonder if he was nervous.

[Danny Kelly]

Huge ass.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, he does global tours. Like, he Sells out.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But this is larger stadiums than that.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes. He's literally the only person who can understand Bad Bunny. Scale is probably Taylor Swift. And even then, this is 10 times bigger than the biggest thing he's ever done. That's actually 20. It's like 30 times bigger. It's the biggest thing he's ever done.

[Craig Horlbeck]

In terms of audience.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

You get one shot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think even he won. Yeah. I don't know. These people are built different.

[Danny Hyffit]

I feel very confident saying this because I watched a bunch of Instagram video after the game about Bad Bunny and one of them was a guy who was going. I forget who it was, but he was going on the shop with Bad Bunny and they're doing makeup together. And Bad Bunny realized he could speak Spanish. So he's like. He didn't want to say English, but he was like in Spanish. He was like going on with jay Z and LeBron and he looks. And he's like, I'm really nervous to do this show. And he was like, why? You're Bad Bunny. And he was like, I know, but like, I'm really nervous to talk to Jay Z. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But that's something he doesn't normally do. I feel like performing is. Is what he's best at. I don't know.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't think I'm weird for saying he's there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Be a little nervous, but you have to imagine these people are. You know, you want to nail it. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But it's like the Alex Honnold thing. I don't control your.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Your. Your fear and internalize it.

[Danny Hyffit]

He did a good job. Anything else? TK on the Super Bowl Seahawks. I have one email from the Patriots and then I want to go through.

[Danny Kelly]

Actually, we have an email from the Patriots.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, that's not true. I have an email from a Patriots fan.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Weighed in. He listened to the show last year.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

The. This is from Wes W. Bone and he just. He was like, I wanted to weigh in on how Patriots fans should be feeling because we were talking about how it was not a must win game for the Patriots in the super bowl and Wes was the rarely ever seen to the email account he said Heifetz is right. Which I very rarely see. And he was like the intensity of feeling for this Patriots loss barely registers 2007 loss. Horrific losing it. I foals excruciating. There's a 10 out of 10 intensity feelings. Malcolm Butler 28 to 3 or Malcolm Butler pick 20 to 3 comeback 10 out of 10 euphoria. He's like, I lived and died with those Tom Brady era.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Sorry.

[Danny Hyffit]

Lived and died with those Tom Brady era. Patriots, Super Bowls. Brady's legacy. This just doesn't really hurt because this whole season snuck up on us. We lost 13 games last year, didn't even think about the playoffs until halfway through the season. And he says, I live in Oklahoma, and maybe the Boston types are different, but it just seems we overachieved on a bad schedule and it was just fun to watch Drake May.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And I feel like a lot of people will hear that and say, that's such cope. That's copium. I actually really don't think it is. I think it's being spoiled.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like, oh, yeah, we got there. But like, I kind of knew this wasn't the team. So no big deal. I've already watched 11 others. I really don't think it's cope. It's. It's champagne problems.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, they've been so. Justin Sales was talking to me about this this morning. The Patriots, I mean, we said this last night. Patriots have been in 12 Super Bowls.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

There's 60 total Super Bowls. 12 out of 60.

[Danny Hyffit]

And they're all in their life. They're all in their life.

[Craig Horlbeck]

20%.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's crazy. Like, and I was doing research for some other thing that we were doing like, like two weeks ago. And I kept coming in, I kept coming upon, like, falling upon these random Super Bowls that I don't remember at all that were from the 80s of the Patriots losing. I was like, how many fucking Super Bowls has the Patriots been in? And they've lost as many as they've won.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Six and six.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So it's just. Yeah, they've been 12 Super Bowls. Think about that.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

How many. How many of the Steelers been to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There are eight.

[Danny Kelly]

Eight. Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

But it's the concentration. It's all.

[Danny Kelly]

Are they second?

[Danny Hyffit]

They're tied second most. But that's different.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They both have six.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no. How many have they been to? How many who's second in total Super Bowl's been to?

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, super bowl appearances is the word you're looking for.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank you.

[Danny Hyffit]

The point, though, how many Super Bowls.

[Danny Kelly]

Have the second most teams?

[Danny Hyffit]

I think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What is the second most been to? I don't know.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's been a long week.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm tired, I think. But probably the Niners. But I think the point is that that's not even the comparison because the Steelers were there in the 70s, the Niners are there in the 80s. Eleven of the last 25 years, the Patriots made the Super Bowl. There's a presidential election every four years. The Patriots literally make the super bowl literally every two to three years for 25 years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Patriots 12. But then it's Steelers, Cowboys, Niners and Broncos all have eight.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's over a 50 year span. This is, it's more than half the span. Anyway, we get enough of the Patriots. I want to just run by. We're going to go through all the quarterbacks, but first I just want to run through the Super. Lots of you guys next. Next year where there's. I basically teared him out. The Seahawks and Rams are basically tied as the favorites 8 to 1. I think that's exactly correct.

[Danny Kelly]

Makes sense.

[Danny Hyffit]

They're head and shoulders above everyone else.

[Danny Kelly]

Stafford's coming back.

[Danny Hyffit]

There is a tier 2 of Ravens, Bills and Packers are all like 12 to 1. And then there's like the Chargers, Eagles, lions, Chiefs, Patriots, 49ers, Broncos, Jags and Texans are all basically in the same group of 15 to 20 to 1.

[Danny Kelly]

It's interesting the Chiefs have fallen off so precipitously.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I find that to be ridiculous.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, I, I actually, I think the Chiefs, it's over and we're going to say it's over. It's over. No, it's not. It's over.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's over for the next two years. You think Mahomes is done?

[Danny Hyffit]

Not Mahomes is done.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Whatever. You think the Mahomes Chiefs are done?

[Danny Hyffit]

No, I think the Andy Reid Chiefs are done.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay. I'm saying when Mahomes is on the Chiefs, do you think they will ever be good again?

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm saying I think that this is who they are, which is they'll always be a dangerous playoff team. But I don't think they're a Super bowl like they're going to. I don't think they're going to win the Super.

[Danny Kelly]

They've lost their superpower.

[Danny Hyffit]

The truth, like, the truth is that this is. They're just doing what the Andy Reid Eagles did all over again. But they were good enough to win all the Super Bowls that Andy Reid kept losing in the conference title games. But the way that Andy repeated out in the Eagles games in the Eagles era is very similar to this where the. I mean, I guess I know it sounds all like, it sounds like a hot take to be like, oh, like the Chiefs are done. But I'm just saying Mahomes is 30 coming off a 20 ACL. I you say this, but okay. But all we like how quickly forget all we complained about until the day before Patrick almost tore his ACL was that the Chiefs offense hasn't been good in three years. Like I'm just saying now they hit all those draft picks on defensive players and they had them on rookie contracts. By the time Mahomes is healthy again. They're not going to have like just cheap defensive starters at every spot. And so now you're going to have this offense where it's like Kelsey's gone and then they have all these problems and it's like Andy Reid in the offense. It sucks. It's outdated. Matt Nagy's leaving. They're bringing Eric B. Enemy back. They're out of ideas. They don't know how to move the football.

[Danny Kelly]

Matt Nagy might be a good thing leaving.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, maybe, but the fact, but I'm just saying like I'm not trying to be like they're bad. They're going to like be in the top five of the draft. I'm just saying like Andy Reid has had really competitive six year windows but now they're getting back to like that era was when it wasn't, didn't the football didn't look like what we just saw this season where it's like you have to be able to run the ball, get off play action. They made all the Super Bowls when it was like Andy Reid strength was the strategy that would win, which is fuck running the ball. We're going to do a all this weird passing shit and now it's back to like giant teams like play action under center and I'm like, I wanted to do.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think that's right. However, I would still happily gobble up any Mahomes stock that you're selling Tom Brady towards ACL 31. Like that to me means nothing.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, that's fine. But that was coming off of the literal best season anyone had ever seen.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, but you, I don't know what the point is. Like he's 30 and he tore his ACL. Like am I supposed to be worried about his health?

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm saying I'm not worried about Mahomes. I'm saying Andy Reid is, is 68.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

And I'm just like, like and that's what I'm not. I literally tried to say, I'm not saying Mahomes is cooked. I'm saying Andy Reid 68 and I don't know if he's going to get back to cutting edge offense. That's all. It's been four years since we sold it.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they're Going to be a problem next year.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, they've got him picking the draft. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Just takes a couple. Couple hits in the draft.

[Danny Hyffit]

I got to tell you, I didn't think throwing Andy Reid on the bus, under the bus was controversial. All we complained about is the Chiefs offense sucks.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, that's fair and I agree. He came in and the whole, like, pass first, his offensive style worked for when it did, and now things are shifting towards, like, a heavier personnel, run the ball, all that stuff. And that's not really the chief style. But I don't. I don't know if I buy that. That just means the Chiefs are dead to rights until Andy Reid leaves because they won't be able to adjust. I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that.

[Danny Hyffit]

You say this, but then one day you're gonna be like, oh, my God, he is old.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He can be old. It's. Can he adjust?

[Danny Hyffit]

We'll see. Okay, let's go through.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tough division for the Chiefs.

[Danny Hyffit]

We're gonna get there. Let's go through all the. The team should need a quarterback this season because off season's here. I think everyone, especially after, like, for everyone else other than Danny Kelly, real season starts now.

[Craig Horlbeck]

For a lot of fan bases, this is the.

[Danny Kelly]

Strap in.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

This is the only time of the year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This is the Raiders super bowl right now.

[Danny Hyffit]

I know we say, like, you know, this is. I should never say this is the year for the Giants, but this is the year for the Giants and this is the year for everybody. So we're just going to go through every team. If you'll see, you know who.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's not the year for the Steelers. This ain't the year for the Steelers. I'm already looking at 20, 28, 20, 27.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't know. All right, Rogers, McCarthy back together.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's true.

[Danny Kelly]

You're gonna. We're gonna do another one of those, you know, mashups where Craig goes on.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The roller coaster like Zoolander 2.

[Danny Kelly]

You're gonna be. You're gonna be like, he's all in. Rogers looks fantastic. He looks spry. He's got a strong arm. He can make any throw on the field. I don't know. I don't know. Something's going well here.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't know if the season finished this way, but there was a long stretch of the season where Rodgers had the longest throw in the league. Just want to point that out. There is a chance that the Steelers offense is better next.

[Danny Hyffit]

Let's just start with the AFC North Then the Steelers, do they need a quarter? Like, obviously they need someone beyond this season, but do you think Aaron Rodgers comes back to play with Mike McCarthy? Apparently, it's been reported that they've talked about Rogers and McCarthy, have talked several times. And the other people they have on those on the roster are Mason Rudolph, Will Howard, and Skyler Thompson. If he wants to play, you should take him back.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I agree. And I think because the other options are not great. The draft is bad. The Steelers have the 21st pick. The free agent pool is bad. Rodgers was good enough last year. And if the actually, maybe the offense will be better under McCarthy than whatever the hell was going on with. I think Arthur Smith did, like, a fine job for what they had, but maybe McCarthy and Rodgers will be better suited for one another. I mean, the whole thing with Rodgers and Arthur Smith was like, how is this going to work? Who's going to be the one who ultimately wins the decision making? And it was kind of like for a portion of the game, it was Arthur Smith. And then when it got into the final two minutes, it was like Roger took over and started calling the plays. But obviously he has the relationship with McCarthy. And I do think physically he looks fine. It's just McCarthy or Rogers, not McCarthy. I think Rogers looks fine as long as you're not looking at his headshot in the helmet. At one time, it was like, one Sunday, Liz was watching the game with me and she was like, who is that man? He is old. That is an old man. I was like, you bite your tongue. That's our quarterback. So, no, I don't think they need a quarterback this year, but I would love for them to try to develop somebody under Rogers, whether that's Will Howard, who I like, or we drafted another guy and figure it out.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

Bengals.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Would you agree?

[Danny Kelly]

What do you think? I think he's probably their best option. Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, I disagree. You're like, they should get a young quarterback and develop them now. Just stick with Rogers.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would, but, like, if we want to draft a quarterback in the third round, like, I'm fine.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, I know. I was a joke.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I was trying to trigger you.

[Danny Hyffit]

Do you agree? Yes. I think they should get a younger quarterback. Quarterback Aaron Rogers.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Sorry. Sorry. To be clear, we're going through each and every team and determining whether they need a quarterback or not.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

AFC North. Cincinnati Bengals. Joe Burrow. They do not need a quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Danny Hyffit]

Baltimore Ravens. Lamar Jackson. They do not need a quarterback. I don't want to know. Look at your. Keep your Eyebrows down. You both raised your eyebrows. Put them down. Put them where they are content for too long. Put them where the fuck they are.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Or do you agree with the Ravens having way, way, way better super bowl odds in the Chiefs?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The fuck are we doing?

[Danny Kelly]

What is.

[Danny Hyffit]

What if the Ravens. Have you just forgotten what it was like to watch?

[Craig Horlbeck]

What has Lamar Jackson done in the playoffs?

[Danny Kelly]

That's. Lamar Jackson didn't make the playoffs either.

[Danny Hyffit]

He would. He was hurt. Mahomes. The Chief sucked when Mahomes was healthy.

[Danny Kelly]

The Ravens were pretty bad all year too.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Ravens stumped.

[Danny Kelly]

What are you talking about? That's why they didn't make the playoffs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They won in five before he got hurt. He was terrible.

[Danny Hyffit]

Then bet the fucking Chiefs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Then I will do it. I feel like. Didn't we discuss that every year? It was like you should never falter and just bet the Chiefs every year because more often and then not. You'll be right.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like 40% of the time they'll probably make the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hyffit]

But also I think that what we're forgetting is what have you seen out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Of Lamar that makes you so confident that they should have double the odds.

[Danny Hyffit]

Of Patrick Mahomes because Lamar has been a better quarterback.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They have a brand new coach. They have a brand new offensive coordinator. Lamar was terrible last year.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think there will be.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think the receivers aren't good. Derek Henry's old. Like, oh, don't.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's how I know you're being.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're lying for your homes towards ACL when he's 30 years old. What does that mean?

[Danny Hyffit]

That means this season I'm a little concerned. We always talk about this. You're lying through your teeth because you said Derek Henry's old and you don't give a shit about that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Derrick Henry fumbled a lot last year. He's like 32.

[Danny Hyffit]

The defense is going to get better. It's really simple. I think that the defense got worse under Zach orr when Mike McDonald left. And Jesse Minter running the defense means the Ravens will be closer to what we just saw from Seattle than what we saw from the Ravens last year. Defense could be elite. Inflow merger.

[Danny Kelly]

We're not talking about what team's going to be better.

[Danny Hyffit]

You're talking about the best defense and.

[Danny Kelly]

We'Re talking about the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

How have the Ravens done in the playoffs lately? How have the Chiefs done in the playoffs?

[Danny Hyffit]

I feel crazy right now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, you are crazy.

[Danny Hyffit]

But also we just watched the dude. Even when the Chiefs won the Super Bowl a few years ago, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

When they went to the third time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Three straight. Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Am I all right? Literally. All right, maybe another way to say this. I feel like I'm crazy right now because I'm saying this team that made four. How many Super Bowls they make? They made five Super Bowls in seven years and won three of them. Okay. Take Tom Brady out of it. Who else has done that and then kept going? It's never happened. It's not crazy. It's literally.

[Danny Kelly]

Why do we have to take Tom Brady out of it? Mahomes is up there with the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Of course he is.

[Danny Hyffit]

And even. Okay, so even Tom Brady did not win another super bowl for seven years after Torres, acl. Like, what about. This is crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. But in those years, the Patriots probably still had pretty damn good odds.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. And Belichick was 20 years younger than Andy Reid. I feel crazy right now where I'm saying I literally. All I'm trying to say, it's the ox.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Rams, Ravens in the odds. And I think that's weird.

[Danny Kelly]

They didn't make Ravens. The Ravens are. I mean, look, the Ravens are teetering.

[Craig Horlbeck]

On collapse, in my opinion.

[Danny Hyffit]

See, this is where we disagree. The Ravens were the most injured team in the NFL last year. And I'm like, we'll be healthier.

[Danny Kelly]

The Ravens are basically the Chargers. They're going to find some spectacular way to fuck it up in the playoffs every year. What are we doing here?

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Harbaugh curse, Some could say.

[Danny Hyffit]

I. I actually am, like, kind of speechless. The Raven season, I guess the way it's put it is I like it.

[Danny Kelly]

When you're on my side on these things.

[Danny Hyffit]

Here's the thing, I guess, here's my question. Do you guys feel that last year was like a catastrophe for the Ravens? A calamity that. Like a heart, like a sign of things to come. Because they literally still had more fucking wins than the Chiefs. Like this horrible Raven season. They won eight games.

[Danny Kelly]

We're not talking about wins. We're talking about winning the Super Bowl. To be clear, that's where I.

[Danny Hyffit]

Isn't the Raven. How many players do the Chiefs have a defense better, like the Ravens have a better player defense? Almost everywhere.

[Danny Kelly]

All I'm saying is, if I'm going to choose a team to win the super bowl, it's going to be the one that went to three straight Super Bowls, has won three Super Bowls in the past, like, eight years. I'm going to choose that team to win the super bowl over. The Ravens, who historically just make spectacular Ways to get out of the playoffs every year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Lamar is pretty firmly entrenched in Tier 2, and I think it's going to take a lot for me to put him in tier one. And until then, I don't think I.

[Danny Kelly]

Can put them above the Chevy.

[Danny Hyffit]

I got to tell you, it's actually a good sign for the show. We could, I didn't actually know there was a topic we could feel this passionately about at this point. I didn't know we could disagree this.

[Danny Kelly]

Like I've, I've given up being a, being a Ravens believer. I'm like, I'm out on that. I mean they might be, they might win the super bowl next year, but I'm still taking the team that has done so well in the playoffs and so well in the postseason.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Chiefs are below the Lions, the Eagles, the Chargers, the Packers.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. Yeah, we should probably bet them on.

[Danny Hyffit]

You should probably bet the Chiefs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Anyway, I did not think so.

[Danny Kelly]

The Ravens don't need a quarterback.

[Craig Horlbeck]

To be clear. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

All I was trying to say was I'm having you talk about Lamar Jackson being replaced. Make me, I feel crazy. Stick around. I don't think Lamar should be replaced.

[Danny Kelly]

For the off season when we just trigger each other every show.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, the Browns.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, I think they're doing pretty good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean they have a Pro Bowler. Two.

[Danny Kelly]

They have two Pro.

[Danny Hyffit]

Two pro to Sean Watson. Sir Sanders quarterback battle between two Pro bowl quarterbacks.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. They need a quarterback. You could put them in that to.

[Danny Hyffit]

Sean Watson off an Achilles that He then retort making 46 million a year versus Shador Sanders and then Dylan Gabriel's there. That's quite the situation.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So the Browns have the sixth pick in the draft.

[Danny Hyffit]

No chance they get a quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

No, they're probably not going to use that on a quarterback.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would assume so the quarterback's going to be Shador this year, right?

[Danny Kelly]

I think he'll be one. He'll be in the competition if Watson can.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't know. I, I, I actually don't think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, how's it build up, man?

[Danny Hyffit]

You're literally allergic to this room. Yeah, that's. No, I, I still can't believe you had the audacity. Like Derek Henry's old. Like you've never cared. Anyone said that ever.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We say Derek Henry's old every year. What are you talking about?

[Danny Hyffit]

You know, you know what you did.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I was pissed at you saying my home stars acl. He's 30. I'm like, okay, that's not for all Right.

[Danny Hyffit]

I couldn't have been clearer for this season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But what does his age matter this season? Why does it matter that he's 30?

[Danny Hyffit]

It's more about he tore his ACL at the end of the year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why does it matter that he's 30 or 25? What is the difference?

[Danny Hyffit]

All right, fine.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know what you did? You were also trying to spin it. If he was 29, you wouldn't have said that it was because he was 30.

[Danny Hyffit]

But I'm 30 and it sucks. It's fucking awful.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. Craig was just complaining about his hamstrings.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Actually, my hamstring is crazy tight.

[Danny Hyffit]

Did you play basketball? Did you stretch before you play basketball?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Always. Of course.

[Danny Hyffit]

What's your stretch routine?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Walk you through my stretches a little.

[Danny Kelly]

I also.

[Danny Hyffit]

I pulled my hamstring. I want to know what you do.

[Danny Kelly]

This is. We're on day.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I have various hamstring stretches. I don't know the classics.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Bend over.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't have.

[Danny Kelly]

Usually I try the bend over.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Clearly, I don't have some secret, magical stretch.

[Danny Kelly]

I try the thing where I'm touching my feet.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, well, I wanted. I sit down and I stretch it. I stand up and I stretch it.

[Danny Hyffit]

I want. I wanted to ask if you had.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know what I don't have that some people do is what's your hamstring, Richie? The Russian upside down twist. I do that one.

[Danny Hyffit]

Winter Olympic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know, the people who. They have the band, though, that you. You, like, wrap around the foot and you're laying on your back and you pull your. Your, like, leg.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's my routine.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that's a nice one.

[Danny Hyffit]

That one hit me in the face, though, unfortunately. Okay. Speak. Well, speaking of which, AFC South.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

Anthony. Jaguars do not need a quarterback. Trevor Lawrence, fifth in MVP voting. Actually should have been third. Tennessee Titans do not need a quarterback. Cambord played well as a rookie. Yeah, you played well.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Texans? No.

[Danny Hyffit]

Texans? No. The vibes are worse, but.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, this is. This is the year.

[Danny Hyffit]

I can't believe you guys raised your eyebrows at Lamar Jackson, but don't raise your eyebrows at CJ Stroud. I think that's insane.

[Danny Kelly]

We were doing a bit.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, I'm glad we have that on record.

[Danny Kelly]

No, the other stuff wasn't a big.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Also Lamar's. How many Lamars had played, like, seven seasons and has collapsed in, like, three different playoffs?

[Danny Hyffit]

Didn't you guys pick the right. Didn't you guys have the Ravens at the super bowl this year?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I ripped my heart Out.

[Danny Kelly]

I took. I was. I said before, before the start of this season, I was like, I'm not doing the Ravens.

[Danny Hyffit]

All their players got hurt. I'm out anyway. You know what? I'm not doing this again. Indianapolis Colts, do they need a quarterback? Yes and no. So, like, Daniel Jones is a free agent.

[Danny Kelly]

Technically, they do need one.

[Danny Hyffit]

Tore his Achilles and they both think he'll be ready for training camp, but it's going to be hard for them to agree on a contract, so they might have to franchise tag them. But the franchise tag is a one year deal for $47 million.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can't do that.

[Danny Hyffit]

Sounds crazy, but it's like, it's a.

[Danny Kelly]

Six, but they're probably going to.

[Danny Hyffit]

I will say the important thing with the money is it sounds insane, but it's always the same as a percentage of the cap. It's like one sixth of their budget in the quarterback because the starter cap is $300 million now. But it is insane to think that Achilles tears have gone from this thing of like, oh, his career's over to it will, like, marginally affect his contract negotiations, which is insane.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. I mean, wouldn't you argue for Daniel Jones that it would actually benefit him to take a little bit less money to stay in Indy because of how good they were with him and how the system fits him? Like him taking money elsewhere and, you know, testing the market.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He goes to like Miami and just tries it out there, he might be terrible. A situation. He knows he'll be good and he might take a little bit less money.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, especially with like this whole Sam Darnold thing where, yeah, we talked about it all year. The situation is so important. The belief in the coaching stuff, the belief from your teammates, all that stuff. I think the fans probably still believe in him pretty strongly, even though he did falter a little bit towards the end there.

[Danny Hyffit]

Sure, there's risk for Jones. I would argue there's far more risk for the Colts because if you let Daniel Jones go after, he was great for you for a season Right after Sam Donald wins the super bowl because the Vikings let him go and the Colts give up two first round picks to get a quarterback, if you let him go, then, okay, you didn't have to pay 47 million for a season. You waste the season, who gives a shit? The Colts will waste the last nine seasons or whatever. Like, you're going to have like your 10th straight week one with a different starting quarterback. Like, no, you bring Daniel Jones back, hope he stays healthy and is your guy for Like a five or six year window. Because if you just start from scratch again and just hope either Anthony Richardson, I mean Anthony Richardson, by the way, we don't even know still what the deal is with his vision. Like his face got hurt but like his eye, like they, the only thing more expensive than money is just literally going back and being like we have to start completely over again. So I do think they're going to have to pay him. And the number starts at 47 million because Daniel Jones can just sit there and cross his arms and then they'll have to fucking tag him. Which is crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Unless he wants to. Like what if he wants a three year deal?

[Danny Hyffit]

Well that's what the tag is for. Because if you do a three year deal you can lower the $47 million number now. Later.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Totally.

[Danny Hyffit]

But see the way the cap works is like they could pay him 30 million now and 60 later, whatever. But if it's franchise tag, it is 47 million this season.

[Danny Kelly]

So they're probably going to sign him to a deal, right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I bet you they do.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think they probably do. But it's going to look like, like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It'Ll be like a Darnold deal, like a three years, 100 or something.

[Danny Hyffit]

But it's funny how football works. How much fun did you guys make fun of the Giants for signing Daniel Jones to that contract? Because he's going to get it again. But the same number but for he's going to get instead of 160 on four years, he's going to get 160 on three years after he towards Achilles.

[Danny Kelly]

There's just not very many quarterbacks out there.

[Danny Hyffit]

But isn't that crazy?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, it's wild. And I was like, I immediately wanted to defend the Colts decision to do this, but it's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What else? He only did it for eight games.

[Danny Kelly]

How many games did he play?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think he went like 9 and 4.

[Danny Hyffit]

He cracked his leg.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, he played that long?

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He went like 9 and 4, tore his Achilles in the 14th game. Roughly something like that.

[Danny Hyffit]

About 130 hours after they said his leg couldn't get any worse. Right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

He had a broken leg.

[Danny Hyffit]

His leg cannot get worse.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's also. All of this is so much trickier because the draft is terrible for quarterbacks. Like there's just, there's no hope. If it were the, you know, the Caleb Williams draft and There was like six quarterbacks people liked in the first 15 picks.

[Danny Hyffit]

What about the next year's draft? Maybe they could get a quarterback in next year's. Draft. Oh, wait, no. They traded it. Their first round pick in both of the next two drafts for a cornerback who then also had Achilles tightness.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a tough run out. Sorry for the Colts.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay, that is the AFC South. AFC West. Weird division. Denver Broncos do not need to replace Bo Nix. And yet Sean Payton literally brought it up anyway, which is weird.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He wouldn't have drafted him had he known about his foot issues. There's no team in this division needs a quarterback.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, but it's weird that Sean Payton went out of his way to publicly remind people that I told Bo Nix if I had known about your ankle and that it was inevitable to be broken. But he literally not only said that, I wouldn't have taken you then Bo Nixon to come out publicly say he.

[Danny Kelly]

Shouldn'T say that shit.

[Danny Hyffit]

How dare you talk about my private medical information. And you're wrong. It's only with doctors. But yes, it's still.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And it was just a poor attempt at a joke. Like it just landed so flat. He tried to like laugh and the media was like this.

[Danny Hyffit]

What Chiefs? Mahomes. I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You think maybe.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, maybe they do need a backup quarterback because genuinely like they can't pressure moms to be ready for week one. They. Because Gardner Minshu also tore his acl. So they actually need a backup quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

There is a team that needs a quarterback in this division.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, yes, but.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, the Raiders. Raiders. Raiders are going to take for. Well, they really don't though because the Raiders to the first pick they're going to take. Fernando.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Correct.

[Danny Kelly]

Very, very likely.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Chargers are fired.

[Danny Hyffit]

Chargers don't. It is worth noting one, the Chargers hired Adam Gase.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Hyffit]

After a five year hiatus from the NFL. Adam Gates to the charge of staff.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I kind of like when the guy like that is like a specialist. Has a very, very small role in the coaching staff and he can just lock in and be his weird self specifically for. And do one thing really well then have to manage human beings. Which you won't have to do.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Hyffit]

Can. Can I take this moment? I think we have more.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We have a lot of crazy minds in there. We have Harbaugh Fucking Mike McDaniel and Adam Gase. Insane nightmare blunt rotation.

[Danny Hyffit]

It has been years since I've been story. We have a lot of listeners who haven't heard this. Can I remind people about the Adam Gase's wife pregnant story?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

So he was.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Harbaugh probably loves this story.

[Danny Hyffit]

Harbaugh's this probably why I Hired him. So the year Peyton Manning broke all the records and then Seahawks destroyed them in the Super Bowl, Pyt Manning was, you know, 55 touchdowns, and Adam Gase was kind of like a little bobblehead. This is from Dan Pompeii at the Athletic. But this story, crucially, is from Adam Gase's wife. Like, this is in her words.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Are they still married?

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm gonna look at an excellent query. Something we should find.

[Danny Hyffit]

This is Dan Pompeii at the Athletic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They were the ones who got divorced at the Kid Rock Show.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, they got divorced. That was a real divorce. Yeah. So Dan Pompeii wrote the straight the Athletic that every Tuesday. This is October 1, 2013. Every Tuesday, Adam Gase was in Denver. He met with Peyton Manning at 2:00'.

[Danny Kelly]

Clock.

[Danny Hyffit]

Except one Tuesday, Adam's wife Jennifer was delivering their son Wyatt by C section. Adam Gase tells his wife to schedule the operation for 10am and this is literally a quote from Adam Gase's wife. They pull the baby out of me and say, it's a boy. And they didn't even put my.

[Danny Kelly]

Pull the baby out.

[Danny Hyffit]

These are her words. I'm not changing them. She says, they did not even put my organs back and sew me up before Adam says, you good?

[Danny Kelly]

And I said, you good.

[Danny Hyffit]

You good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Put my organs back is vivid.

[Danny Hyffit]

And then Adam says, yeah, I'm good. And he says, all right. Then I'm out. And the doctors say, do you want to.

[Danny Kelly]

He doesn't talk like that. He really said that. You good?

[Danny Hyffit]

His wife, who said he couldn't even.

[Danny Kelly]

Say, are you okay?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Perhaps she was embellishing to make him look worse. Because, you know, although she is the daughter of an NFL player, maybe she gets it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Maybe she's like, the guy loves ball. The doctors then say, hey, Mr. Gase, do you want to cut the umbilical cord? And he says, no, I'm good. And then he goes back to work, which is maybe it's just very Mad Men Don Drake.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not a good look.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, it's not any look. So him and Mike McDaniel and Jim Harbaugh are going to talk.

[Danny Kelly]

That's such a good point.

[Danny Hyffit]

I will be betting the nightmare.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jim Harbaugh.

[Danny Kelly]

Imagine the discussions that happen.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, there's gonna be, like, conversations in a room where It's Herbert Harbaugh, McDaniel and Gase.

[Danny Hyffit]

Jim Harbaugh's sitting there like, do you guys remember the day you were born? Adam Gas is Like I don't even remember the day my son was born.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I I'm all in on the Chargers once.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh God.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's an incredible team.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They are my favorite team in the NFL.

[Danny Hyffit]

All right, so let's say you see what. Yeah. They're making and if you said.

[Danny Kelly]

By the way you said. I think on the show I did that. If Mike McCarthy is hired as I will become Steelers. You're going to be a Steelers fan.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Chargers fan.

[Danny Hyffit]

I am. Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We have to do AFC East.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, sorry. AFC East. So Patriots do not need a quarterback. Drake may Buff don't. Okay. I was keep wondering if you guys are going to do a bit Buffalo Bills.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, stop.

[Danny Hyffit]

Buffalo Bills do not need a quarterback. They have Josh Allen. Can't wait to get one though. Jets obviously do only quarterbacks on the roster to Rod Taylor Hendricks.

[Danny Kelly]

Jets always need a quarterback. I think in perpetuity.

[Danny Hyffit]

Dude. They fired their offensive coordinator three weeks after the season ended and hired Frank Reich, who was also out of the game. It's a little crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is this the worst second pick in the draft in a while?

[Danny Hyffit]

It has to be.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

God.

[Danny Kelly]

Worst being least obvious.

[Danny Hyffit]

Least obvious. And factoring in what you need fit to the. Yeah, that is also a good point because if you could just take a tackle.

[Danny Kelly]

Cool.

[Danny Hyffit]

The jets are like just use two picks on tackles.

[Danny Kelly]

Who's the funniest quarterback I feel like we play this game every year. Who's the funniest quarterback that the jets could have starting this year?

[Danny Hyffit]

Justin Fields.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Where's he going to be?

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, I was going to say the other team is the Dolphins. And part of me thinks it'd be funny if the Dolphins cut to a and then he signed with the Jets.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's tua by my.

[Danny Hyffit]

It has to be to oh my Lord. It is to us.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's by a lot.

[Danny Hyffit]

So Adam Schefter reported this week that two is just openly available in trades and that the Dolphins are willing to take money in a deal. And again, we've talked about this.

[Danny Kelly]

The two are doing pressers every week in the New York media. Oh God. It's going to be something. It's going to be something.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The question is is how much of to his salary will Miami have to pay? A lot like 90.

[Danny Kelly]

And it sounds like they're willing. Sounds like they're willing to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's going to be like the Russell Wilson Broncos.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's a third of their salary. They'll have to cut it in half into a six of each of the six of the budget. This year six of the budget next year. No one, no one's going to like, no one's going to trade.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean the Steelers paid Russell Wilson like $1 million and the Broncos are paying him 49 or whatever.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And that worked out for Pittsburgh. So maybe somebody should take a shot.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think that Dolphins are going to have to cut him or just, I mean the idea that you cut someone, the fact that the Dolphins don't even want to entertain keeping him being like it's a sun cost, you might as well work for us. Like, no, we'd rather like you leave is incredible. But yeah, two I. If they cut him, I don't know, they might want to send him somewhere. I don't know. It's. It's not good. But so two is definitely going to be out there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes. In Miami. You know, they have a lot of Green Bay packers people now in the building.

[Danny Kelly]

It feels like, yeah, very obvious Malik Willis is being funneled there. We'll see.

[Danny Hyffit]

Malik Willis is the guy that we're going to talk about all off season. He'll play a couple games. Oh yeah, he does. Sucks. He's like the ultimate mystery box where it's like we saw him just be good enough.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like Matt Flynn, another Packer.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, he's. The difference is like Malik Willis, if he's good, the ceiling's insane because he's.

[Danny Kelly]

Probably tools at the very least. Matt Flynn never had great tools.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It felt like lafleur. Dealing with Malik Willis is like, I can do this. For a couple games it was like Josh Dobbs and the Vikings where you can scheme around it where nobody can really prepare just yet. They don't know exactly what you're going to do. 17 games of Malik Willis on a mediocre team. Very different than two games on a good team.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think the reality is they're give it, they'll give it a shot because again, would you rather take a one year shot in Aaron Rodgers or like Malik Willis and you're like, well, if Malik Willis is good, then we actually have a guy for like 8 years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tyree kill going to play football next year?

[Danny Hyffit]

No, no, he's never playing for the Dolphins again. That's a whole separate list. Is like Brandon Ayuk's never going back to the Niners. Tyree Kills never going back to the Dolphins.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm wondering ye these are the, the first two guys you mentioned, Tyreek and Iuk. I'm like, are they going to play football again?

[Danny Hyffit]

Brendan Iuk. We haven't mentioned him. Should we Talk about him or another show. I'm worried about that man.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Not kidding. Remember that video of him driving by Levi flipping it off?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes. That's not a. That's the thing you do when you're like, man, they put George Kittle and Debo Samuel on Netflix and not me. And we lost the super bowl and they didn't pay me. Oh, wait, yeah, they did. They gave you $40 million a year. It's weird that you got paid 100 million guaranteed and then flip off the building. I'm like, they gave you a tremendous amount of money. And then Kyle Shannon said you didn't hear from you for six weeks. I'm like, that's a little odd. Anyway, word for that guy, that's the afc. So again, really, the jets and Dolphins are screwed.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who is going to be the jets starting quarterback in week one?

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, you want to go through other divisions here. You want to do that first? I think, I think it is Derek Carr. Oh, I think they're, I mean, we're going to the Saints for a second, but basically, like, that's the Saints.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like you could talk yourself into that.

[Danny Hyffit]

Tyler Schuck is good and the Saints don't need him. But I think Derek Carr wanted to sit out a year, do the rehab his shoulders back. Nick Underhill at New Orleans. New Orleans Football dot. No, it's New Orleans DOT football.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Nick Underhill reported that Derek Carr is throwing again. He had a bad shoulder injury, but he's playing and he is a not like a Stafford. But there is a last gas generation of quarterbacks that know how to play football and like know how to run an offense even if they're physically not there. And I think that Derek Carr is, believe it or not, the best the jets can get to actually get a look and let their offense try to have a real offense for Garrett Wilson and offensive line and everyone. I think it's going to be the best option they have. I think they give like a 5th round pick for Derek Carr.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That may be the case, but I can't stress enough how much the jets signing Derek Carr will not work.

[Danny Hyffit]

So do you.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I, I.

[Danny Hyffit]

Last year we were like Justin Fields. There's no chance.

[Danny Kelly]

How else could I put this? I can't stress it strongly enough.

[Danny Hyffit]

All the guys, when you picture them in jets uniforms.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I think the jets should completely redesign their uniforms because I just seeing them change the name they need to do. Maybe they need to change the name. Just rebrand Derek Carr in a Jets uniform.

[Danny Hyffit]

Immediate L. It's funny you say that. They're green and yellow. Sorry? They're green and white because the old owner was the Hess family, and there was, like, color synergy with the Hesses and the Hess trucks and the Hess stakes stations. They don't need to be green and white. They could change the color scheme. You're right. It's cursed. No.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Has the team ever really done that?

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But without changing their name?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. Keep the news.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, maybe.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't know, like, if they were just blue and red now. Like, no one's ever really done that.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, you can't go blue and red because the Giants.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know. You know what I mean? But, like, you tweak. Like, the Seahawks have tweaked, the Jags have tweaked. I feel like there's things like that.

[Danny Kelly]

NBA teams that have done it that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Just completely changed their colors.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's a good take because you picture, hey, Kyler Murray. And you're like, as a Jet. You're like, oh, as a.

[Danny Kelly]

As an NBA. NBA expert, I. Some of the NBA uniforms are unrecognizable.

[Danny Hyffit]

To me at this point.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't. I don't know. It seems like they have a million.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, the Grizzlies have different colors now, don't they?

[Danny Hyffit]

I think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Weren't the Grizzlies, like, purple back?

[Danny Hyffit]

They were also in and they moved. Yeah, they switched countries. So, you know, maybe that. Maybe the jets should do the same thing. They should go to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, purple. They had that teal.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. What color should they go?

[Danny Kelly]

What color scheme are we talking about for the Jets? Keep the Jets.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I know. That's what. Yeah, jets kind of cool name.

[Danny Kelly]

Gunmetal Gray. Just gray.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Everything just all gray. It's even all gray.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What's a color that's not really used.

[Danny Hyffit]

Too much, honestly, Blue and orange. And synergy with the Knicks could work.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't mind that. I like when cities synergize. Like Pittsburgh.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think it's cool. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's great. I. I wish more.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Maybe blue and yellow. A. Blue and orange.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Broncosy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What if they go Yankees pinstripe?

[Danny Hyffit]

That's so funny. They should.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why has no one done that?

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, is that a common combination, Yankees and Jets fans? Because I know that's.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, it's usually Yankees so big that it's like.

[Danny Kelly]

That's like, opposite.

[Danny Hyffit]

There's plenty of everything. There's plenty of people like that, but for the most part, the biggest percentage is Yankees, Giants Knicks and then Rangers and then there's a lot of, like, Jets. Well, everyone's. No one's a Nets fan, but it's still Jets, Knicks, Mets.

[Danny Kelly]

The Mets have Rangers, right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. No, don't they sometimes?

[Danny Hyffit]

No. If they do, then yeah, they do. But it's embarrassing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Pinstripes are literally a says no, you do the. Well, I actually should. The jets can take the Mets colors.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's also blue and orange.

[Danny Kelly]

Jets and Mets actually, I guess it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Kind of work for them to be blue, orange and Mets. The problem is, I think everyone would.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Be blorge pinstripe for the Jets. Give it a shot. Just do that.

[Danny Hyffit]

That actually would kind of. That would work, actually.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They should test.

[Danny Kelly]

Just use the same logo as the Mets.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They should have a glove. They changed the jade change it just Mets just change the chase to an end.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. We want people to stop thinking we suck. What else can we do?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It would be cool if there was like, alternate jersey week in the NFL and everybody just had to completely pivot from their usual colors.

[Danny Hyffit]

They do that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Something out.

[Danny Hyffit]

They literally do that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What do you mean? They like throwbacks.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's called the city. They literally do that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like the City Patriots came out this.

[Danny Hyffit]

Year and wore like their Blizzard nor' Easter jerseys. Like, they're doing this.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah. But that's still kind of in line with the thematic colors of the team.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, but they're experimenting more than ever. They're changing the helmet. They never let them change the helmets till like two years ago.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I do kind of think the Mets like, branding is pretty iconic.

[Danny Hyffit]

Iconic is for the Met.

[Danny Kelly]

Iconic is too strong a word. But classic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Classic.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

A nostalgic charm to it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Email [e-mail] if you're a Mets fan and you're just bewildered by the let's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Get a complete redesign one pinstripe week.

[Danny Hyffit]

Come up an idea for. We should ask Matt James to do this. One of our people here at the moment, he's a Matt's Mets fan.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Matt. If you're listening cook redesign the gym.

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[Danny Hyffit]

That's okay. That's the AFC, NFC East. Giants do not need a quarterback. Dallas Cow Jackson Dart future. How dare you. Dallas Cowboys Dak do not need a quarterback. Washington Jaden Daniels. This is elbow.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's fine.

[Danny Hyffit]

He doesn't need a quarterback, right? Philadelphia Eagles, they don't need a quarterback. But a year from today, we might be talking about they need a quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

They don't need a quarterback right now.

[Danny Hyffit]

Not right now. But they also couldn't if they tried. But they did lose Jeff Stoutland, their offensive line coach.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Who this is big news.

[Danny Kelly]

This is actually under the radar. Very big news. And in dick and I feel like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Also the quotes coming out of it.

[Danny Kelly]

Very, very, very piece of news for my guy Sirianni, who just is the best coach, does everything well. Just, you know, the culture guy, the glue of that whole team. Just kidding. I think he does absolutely nothing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He is jack of all trades, master of nothing, derogatory jackass of all trades.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, the jack of no trades, master.

[Danny Hyffit]

Of none, jackass of all trades. So the Jeff Stoutland is the offensive line coach in for Philly. And you could argue that there's probably no more like under the radar assistant that's been more instrumental to a good run than Jeff Stoutland. Because the way that he designed the. I mean put it, Jordan, my lot is a left tackle for the Eagles. He's probably a top five left tackle in the NFL. He literally had never played football before. Like they just took him in the seventh round or whatever and they're like an Australian rugby player or sorry, New Zealand. I was no Australia. I always forget. But they're like, he's never played football and they just taught him. He's a top five left tackle. And Jeff Stoutland's work with Jason Kelsey, a 6th rounder. Jason Kelsey is going to make the hall of Fame now. And so the joke has been like, you know, There are certain companies that entire, like entire companies just rest on some random Excel file that if the person leaves and it just breaks, then like an entire company, like you won't be able to get like oil across countries and stuff. And like Jeff Stoutland's just like random Excel file that upholds the entire like Jenga block holding the entire Eagles team.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, you should do alienate that guy.

[Danny Hyffit]

I know. So he left. And the fact this is an idiot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's getting a little too big for his britches.

[Danny Hyffit]

In my law, this espn, you had one job.

[Danny Kelly]

Sirianni.

[Danny Hyffit]

I was gripes this ESPN article and again, there's a lot of big egos involved with the Eagles. I won't name them, but like the idea that Jeff Stoutland said he no longer desired the title of run game coordinator because he felt it no longer fit his job description because Kevin Petullo, the office coordinator and Nick Sirianni were doing so much without him, they sidelined him. Don't even call me run game coordinator.

[Danny Kelly]

The dude from office space who's down in the basement, he's like, he took my stapler, dude. It just took. Why would you do that?

[Craig Horlbeck]

And it's digging your feet in. I feel like it's. You know when you know you're wrong in an argument and you just decide to double down? That's like totally what the Eagles are like. 10 weeks in there, like the worst fucking offense in the NFL. And instead of like admit they're wrong and bring in Stoutland and maybe try to bring things back, they just alienate him even more and kick him out.

[Danny Hyffit]

And so Jordan, my lot, apparently, when he found out, was crying like weeping.

[Danny Kelly]

This is going to go horribly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Too many egos.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Not the Eagles. The Egos. The Philadelphia egos.

[Danny Kelly]

Philadelphia Eagles Pride comes before the fall crash.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's actually the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the expression.

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm writing that down. That's good. But yeah. So NFC is no new quarterbacks.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Pretty remarkable. When's the last time the NFC east didn't need a quarterback? Nice job.

[Danny Hyffit]

Honestly, probably been a while.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, going back and forth between Washington and New York.

[Danny Hyffit]

I know that alone. NFC north, also pretty stable. Bears, Caleb Williams. Do not need a quarterback. Packers, Jordan Love. Do not need a quarterback. Lions, Jared Goff. Do not need a quarterback. Vikings.

[Danny Kelly]

This is an interesting one.

[Danny Hyffit]

One of the weird ones in the league. So they, they just fired their gm, in short, because I think Kevin o' Connell wanted to keep Kirk Cousins and then they made him get rid of him. So Kirk Cousins left. They signed Sam Darnold and then Sam Darnold wins 14 games and then they let, they let him go and they keep McCarthy and then Sam Donald wins the super bowl and they immediately fire the gm. So I wonder who gets blamed for that. So now you have J.J. mcCarthy. But to be honest, spoiler here with the Atlanta Falcons, where I think the Atlanta Falcons, it seems, are going to cut Kirk Cousins.

[Danny Kelly]

And I think Kirk Cousins just reported that Shafter report.

[Danny Hyffit]

He's Kirk Cousins gonna get cut. And I think the Falcons start Michael Penix in week one. But I think Kirk Cousins signs with the Vikings and It's Kirk and JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, which is pretty nasty.

[Danny Kelly]

No, that's good.

[Danny Hyffit]

I mean, could they do better than that?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but still, Kirkwood, at least bring Justin Jefferson back to life in fantasy. I don't know if they're going to win a ton of games, but it's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Still a low ceiling move.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't think they can do better. I mean, they won the last. Probably Atlanta.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, it's also, there needs to be a, like, Kirk Cousin's going to be 38 when the season starts, but I will. The problem is you can't bring in like a young project because that's already what J.J. mcCarthy. I feel like you kind of can't bring in like Mac Jones because it's like you already have. Just make it work with JJ McCarthy. Kirk is in a different category, so you kind of can bring him in, I feel like, as a steady hand. But I don't think that Kirk. That o' Connell and the Vikings can bring in somebody who's kind of an equal to JJ McCarthy because that just hasn't been Richardson. Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like, well, you got to just make it work with the guy you spent the 12th pick on or whatever it was.

[Danny Hyffit]

So I do think they end up signing Kirk Cousins because again, he was there for seven seasons and then he had his little sojourn leaving. But I think that he's the best they're going to get because he's old enough that he's not a threat to McCarthy, but he's probably good enough that. Here's the truth.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They're so fucked because, like, if you bring in Kirk Cousins, who's competent and you know will be solid, he's going to start. Well, I don't know. Or you probably start McCarthy and then it goes poorly and you're 2 and 5 and then you bench him and then it's like over for JJ McCarthy.

[Danny Hyffit]

This is why this?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, this feels to me like if you bring in Kirk Cousins, you're going to lose the team. If you start J.J. mcCarthy.

[Danny Hyffit]

This. Exactly. I completely agree.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do you think.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes. There's no way McCarthy's better than Justin.

[Danny Kelly]

Jefferson is going to start. Start a mutiny if they bring in.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, you can bet. Get him. Justin Jefferson to buy in.

[Danny Kelly]

He's the most important person. He's the most important player in that organization.

[Danny Hyffit]

The problem is you get a mutiny. If they start like, oh and three and it's McCarthy's fault, then you're like. Because here's the thing. The problem is this is why the GM got fired. And frankly, the Vikings GM deserves to get fired because they were trying to do, like two things. They have a win now roster and they went all in on a rookie quarterback who barely played at Michigan and barely to do anything and then came in and missed his whole rookie year. And like, like, they're like, oh, it wasn't good. We have no backup plan. And the irony is that the reason you have McCarthy is to fund having a quarterback like Darnold. And they're about to miss the whole window because they'll have to pay Kirk to come in.

[Danny Kelly]

But the super bowl, the year after they let him walk in free agency is.

[Danny Hyffit]

There's a reason he got fired. The owners. It's the same thing as why. Why did the jets have to fire all these coaches? I'm like, well, the. Something happened with the ownership when you get the quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So you really think that McCarthy will never start another game unless he's a backup and comes in?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I think if Kirk Cousins gets signed by the Vikings, he will be the starter.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You agree with that?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes, man. Because I don't think you say that. But The Falcons finished 4.

[Danny Kelly]

0. Kirk isn't gonna sign somewhere without.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's less about Kirk's not good and more about. I can't believe it's over for jj.

[Danny Hyffit]

Like, it's over. He just needs reps. It's like Darnold. Darnold was a backup for a year with the Niners and he was like a backup.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, I think.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I do think if the Vikings. Has it been reported that they're going to or is this sort of.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, it's just. No, I think what you said is dead on, which is Kirk Cousins is not signing anywhere that he has to.

[Danny Kelly]

That he's not going to.

[Danny Hyffit]

He's going to be told he's going to start.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he wants. Yeah, that's what he wants.

[Danny Hyffit]

He wants to be a starter. It's all he's ever wanted and I.

[Danny Kelly]

Think he probably can get it. I don't know. But I will say, though, if they do sign Kirk Cousins in that specific scenario, I do think that's implicit admission that they are giving up, at least for the short term, on JJ McCarthy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And like, revisiting after he has another year of reps and practice.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, it's. If Kirk Cousins gets hurt, the guy coming in isn't just a backup. It's. He's the future of the team. But it's also they have to try to make a run to win the super bowl because the defense is old.

[Danny Kelly]

If not already close.

[Danny Hyffit]

Like, they have a lot of, like, really talent. Like a lot of the talent on the Vikings front, it's like. And here I'll pull up the depth chart. So these guys are all 30, 31.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, not only has J.J. mcCarthy been bad, he's been hurt a lot. Yeah, it's both.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

You know what I mean? You can't rely on him for the whole season.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's a great point. Is that not only has J.J. mcCarthy played terribly when healthy, but that he literally has four injuries in his second season getting hurt every month. And he also missed his entire year. Yeah, he missed his entire rookie year, too. So they have to have a good backup.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's such an awkward, terrible spot to be.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's why the gym got fucking fired a month after the season ended. Yeah, it is.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's also hard.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's going to be on a different.

[Danny Kelly]

Team maybe in the next year. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, there's no reason to give up on him. Like, there's no reason to give up.

[Danny Kelly]

There's a lot of reasons, too.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They are giving up on him.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, this is.

[Danny Kelly]

What are you.

[Danny Hyffit]

They're not giving up on him. They're saying that we don't think he can lead us to a Super bowl right now. Three, but.

[Craig Horlbeck]

All right.

[Danny Hyffit]

I feel like we're. Sam Darnold won the Super bowl like 18 hours ago. I don't think you should give up on the young quarterback you drafted. That's tools.

[Danny Kelly]

Four teams gave up on Sam Darnold.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. And they're all idiots. And they're all. The jets fired their coaches three weeks after Darnold made this. All these teams are giving. I'm saying you keep McCarthy, but you also probably. He's clearly not ready to lead you there right now, so you bring.

[Danny Kelly]

It's semantics. But.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes, but you clear let him learn the practice habits of Kirk Cousins, he doesn't know how to be or prepare as a starting quarterback. And you hope that if Kirk Cousins has a good year, McCarthy could take over in 2027.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

You are giving up on him is crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, you're punting down the road.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Kicking the can. He clearly kicking the can down the road.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. But he clearly needs, like, he's not ready for this team. And the problem is they took a developmental quarterback with a win now timeline and if you're going to do that, they had to keep Darnold.

[Danny Kelly]

We're not really disagreeing. It's just the semantics of giving up versus.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Taking it down the road.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, like, if Kirk Cousins is healthy all year, we're going to be heading into year four with JJ McCarthy and he'll have barely played any football.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. It's not a deal. But I think him playing this season at face planning again is worse. You have to have another guy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I wonder. Or is it. Or I don't know.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think it's really easy for when it's not your team to be like, yeah, if they start. Oh. And for like, oh, this season sucks. It's like no one wants to give up on their season.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the other. The variable with the Vikings that makes this so interesting is the. The respect and reputation that KOC Kevin o' Connell has with. With quarterbacks.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And making just like anybody really good in their offense. What he's done in the past. And then J.J. mcCarthy came in and was for the most part really bad. He did have a couple moments, but.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That'S why I'm like, are you. Is it weird to kind of like experiment with him and then it's not good enough and then you yank him and he sits for another year? Like, what if they go 11 and 6 with Kirk? That's good.

[Danny Hyffit]

You make the playoffs, but then what do you play? This is good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But then what?

[Danny Hyffit]

Then if Kirk.

[Danny Kelly]

They cross that bridge when they get to it. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Then you get out later and you're like, if Kirk plays great, bring him back. And you're like, like, basically what I'm saying is that's a good problem.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I just feel like there's very few scenarios here where JJ McCarthy works out for the Vikings because it's like, if Kirk is good, JJ McCarthy's not going to play next year either. And if JJ McCarthy starts this year and he's terrible, it's too early and he's not prepared. So that sucks too. So it's like, well, then what are you doing with him.

[Danny Hyffit]

But that's why you need Kirk Cousins. That's why you need another quarterback on this this time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's tough. They're in a terrible. They're in a division with three good teams. Part of me is like, they should just play him this year and know if he's good or not.

[Danny Hyffit]

But that's the thing is, I think that's the thing is, is he good or not?

[Danny Kelly]

That's what they tried last year, though.

[Danny Hyffit]

I know, but I think that's the difference I have is like, oh, is he good or not? I don't think it's not that simple. I think the Darnold thing, that's kind of the lesson to me is like, it's not that simple of is he good or not. It's that people learn in different ways at different paces. And like, the truth is, McCarthy I don't think is ready. Like, again, we got away from. The point of. What Kevin o' Connell had his issue with is they were talking about mechanical changes to his throwing motion during the season, which I don't think any of us had ever heard publicly discussed by a coach before. Josh Allen changed mechanics a ton, but it took him three years during the off season to do that on your own. Like, he can't. We can't enter next year and looking at week one or training camp or preseason breaking down McCarthy's mechanics like Justin Jefferson and this defense expected to win a Super bowl, we can't be discussing whether JJ McCarthy can literally hit a screen pass. That's not. That's a non starter. Literally.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's a bad spot to be in.

[Danny Hyffit]

It is the worst. That's why you got fired.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, honestly, like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's. Maybe this is. We'll figure out more as opposed as the off season goes along. But like, right now, I'm kind of. After having this discussion, I'm kind of like, they might just move on from him.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, well, it.

[Danny Kelly]

But like, try and trade him with, you know, thinking he has value from the potential value that team see in him. I don't know, but here's the.

[Danny Hyffit]

But I know we spend a lot of time on this, but I think this is the most interesting team in the league that isn't in the super.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Bowl because best roster that doesn't have a quarterback.

[Danny Hyffit]

They should be the Seahawks. The Vikings defense. There's a world where they could have been roughly, they're not as talented, but they could have been like this.

[Danny Kelly]

They won 14 games last year.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, they should be the Seahawks. That's how the Vikings think of it. And so it's like, oh, we'll do this. It's like they're like, no, we have to go win a Super bowl now. And it's so painful. And so the idea of, like, we'll give up on them. Okay, cool. So you've learned nothing from the Darnold thing because the reason you had Donald was the jets gave up on him instead of recognizing you should have kept him the whole time. It's not always that simple. But, like, I think with what we've learned since, the answer is, you bring in Kirk now and you see if McCarthy can develop and you spend more time with him anyway, we can move on. But it's. This is. This whole season is frankly the wake of what the Vikings did last year. Honestly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I just feel like they're in no man's land. They're extending it.

[Danny Hyffit]

So that's the NFC North, Vikings the only team NFC south we mentioned. Again, I think the Falcons cut Kirk Cousins. Michael Penix is the Week one starter.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, the Falcons are in a very similar situation.

[Danny Hyffit]

I feel like you give it very similar.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You give it one more year and hope to get a healthy pennant. Extra 17 games.

[Danny Hyffit]

I got to tell you, I'm surprised. I know everyone. I'm probably the last. I was kind of saying I thought the Falcons would keep Kirk and I'm the last person here. Everyone's like, oh, they're going to move on. I was like, I don't know. Because exactly what DK just said. The Falcons and Vikings both took a guy in the 2024 draft that is not immediately the starter. We don't know if he's good enough or healthy. You know, Michael Pennix is getting another ACL reconstruction, which I believe is his third ACL injury. He's 25. He's barely played any pro football. And so they're going to go in Week one. And I thought the new regime would say, you know, we're not tied to this guy. We didn't draft him. We're not the. Like, you know, Matt Ryan's running the team now. They have Kevin Stefanski as the head coach. And I'm kind of like, I get why you'd bring in Pennix Week one. Because he fails. It doesn't matter. But I will be honest. I'm a little surprised they wouldn't want Kirk around. But maybe it's just a weird dynamic and you want to play it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. But the fact probably also the money.

[Danny Hyffit]

The money. True. But they have so much and that's true. They probably have a lot of free agents they want to bring in for Stefanski. That's actually. You're probably right. That's the answer. But the Falcons are very similar in that they have a ton of young talent. A lot of just straight first round picks starting with them on offense, defense. I mean James Pierce, the Falcons defensive end first who led them in sacks, had a. The details of a police report of an incident he was involved in last week are pretty horrific to read in the police report. Obviously we'll see what ends up happening with charges and anything but the Falcons defense was playing a lot better last year. The Falcons are also a team in a winnable division that like, I don't know, Pennix could very quickly be holding them back four weeks into the season.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

So that's a team that kind of might also.

[Danny Kelly]

And they don't have a first round pick.

[Danny Hyffit]

And they don't have a first round pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Rams have it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Buccaneers don't need a quarterback. I don't care. Baker got hurt but he what's Baker's contract situation? How long is he makes 40 million a year and he's worth every penny. People can be like what happened to the Bucks in a Buca? And everyone got hurt at the same time but Baker and Abuka and Luke Gottick and the other.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, it's not even a discussion. You're in a fine spot with Baker.

[Danny Hyffit]

The interesting the Panthers.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's weird that none of these teams technically need a quarterback, but it's the worst version of that of all time.

[Danny Hyffit]

Exactly. They're all in honestly NFC South, South. They're all in no man's land. Falcons are like, oh we'll go with Pennix. But that could literally be like Pennix could reenter his knee in week one and you're like, oh he'll just never be a starter like the Buccaneers with Baker like it's like you know, if he gets hurt again the Saints of Tyler Schuck who again I think is absolutely good enough. It deserves a starting like a full season next year. But I do think the Saints trade Derek Carr somewhere and then the Panthers are like Bryce Young's exactly good enough. You cannot give up on him. And he's just enough star magic that he's recreated that they're going to exercise. They already I think exercises fifth year option. So they have two more years of Bryce Young, three if they tag him and then more if they want to sign to an Extension. But Bryce Young feels like the exact kind of player that you don't want to give. Like you're going to get Bryce Young 50 million a year. Like that's one of those. Like three years later he's Tua, he's Kyler. I want out of this. He's not good enough for that. He's better than his rookie contract. He's not as good as the second. So like he just seems like the classic version of that. But none of these guys.

[Danny Kelly]

The fifth year option is 26.5 million.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's. That's easy. That's fine. That's what Justin fields.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You need to use every single second of those five years to determine if he's good before you extend it.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Again, one of those. You say 25 million for a guy who's in that good. You're like, what? But the answer is the salary cap is 300 million. So you have to remember in size.

[Danny Kelly]

Tags, almost 50 million. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. It's like that's a 12th of it. If you can get a starting quarterback that's Even average for 12th of your budget, like that's, that's worth it. You can't do better than that. Weird division. NFC West Niners do not. Brock Purdy now makes 50 million a year.

[Danny Kelly]

And, and I saw Schefter said they plan on keeping Mac Jones too.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's smart.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't mean.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, because especially with the injury situation being. Being by the electrical substation, you never know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You need all the knees that you.

[Craig Horlbeck]

More than any team. The Niners are very aware that they need a backup quarterback.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. I think the Niners trading Mac Jones for anything less than like a top 40 pick would be a crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's kind of a bummer though, because I want to see him start somewhere.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, you will when Brock Purdy gets substations and then NFC West. Oh yeah. So the Niners, the Rams do not. So the. Matt Stafford, they're gonna also won the mvp.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they're in the market for a development guy though, though.

[Danny Hyffit]

Why? Because Stafford's 38.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure. I don't. I mean, obviously I think Stafford's going to be their starter next year. He announced that when he won the MVP award. So that's kind of locked in. But you know, they've. There is still a team, I think that could add a quarterback. Maybe even like a pretty decently like high profile quarterback. I don't know.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, you know, there's a, you know that saying, like things are never as bad as they feel or never as good as they seem. I think that's like, pretty much a good nutshell of Matt Stafford's 12 months, because 12 months ago, we were watching the playoffs, we were like, this guy can barely move. And then you're like, a little. And then Sean McVeigh and the Rams, like, very seriously considered moving on because they were having banged up. He was trade discussion at the combine last year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Hivet's thought the Giants were getting him.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, here's the thing. Look what happened. Exactly.

[Danny Kelly]

And that was a leverage play, but.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes, it was a leverage play, but it was leverage play because the Rams were trying to. I think what happened was the Rams were genuinely a little worried of seeing Matt Stafford move around the locker room. He's so banged up, they're like, we don't know if this guy can keep going. And they're like, oh, we'll just come back at a cheaper level. Stafford knew he had this season in him, and so he held out, was like, I could get paid anywhere. But the flip side is, what we also just saw is I would say, the best possible outcome of Matt Stafford's health in a season. And I know that because he. Troy Aikman said he told him for that Falcons Rams Monday football game. Trachman was like, matt Stafford told me if you had told him in August that he would feel this good this late in the season, he's like, I would have thought you were full of shit. And so I don't know if we get another. So the Rams do need to eventually get another quarterback, but I don't know. The real news here is the Rams signed Cliff Kingsbury to be their offensive coordinator.

[Danny Kelly]

That kind of flew under the radar during the super bowl week.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's why we do this episode. So, Craig, we have to ask you an important question. TK yeah. Do you think that Sean McVay is going to get frame mogged by Cliff Kingsbury?

[Danny Kelly]

Height mogged.

[Danny Hyffit]

Frame and height mogul mogged about.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know about frame. I think McVeigh is pretty built sturdy. Yeah, he's ripped.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, Let me tell you.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know what it's going to be. The real battle is.

[Danny Hyffit]

Come on, boys. You don't think it's. That's height and frame mugged also frame. Come on, dude. He's getting frame mogged. No, open your eyes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't think frame is body. That those are their two faces.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, Kingsbury is kind of taller, thin.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The real question is just, is the. The house house Mog.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who will have the cooler house?

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh my God. Dude. Cliff Kingsbury's real estate. What house is Cliff Kingsbury gonna have in la?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, because they all live down south now. Right. They all used to live in the Valley and now everyone moved down towards Inglewood. Cliff Kings. There's no more Manhattan beach human being on it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The craziest bachelor pack gonna live on the beach. Yeah, for sure.

[Danny Hyffit]

She's gonna be at Simsies to shellback every night.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Guaranteed. He'll probably wear the shellbacks hat on the field on the sideline which would be kind of sick. Do we like that hire? He's another.

[Danny Kelly]

It's interesting that he was getting.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why'd they get rid of him?

[Danny Kelly]

He was getting a head coach.

[Danny Hyffit]

But who get rid of him?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Washington get rid of him?

[Danny Hyffit]

I think.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's artistic differences.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. I feel just not. Not a right fit because it's not like his play calling was bad.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think that everyone had to blame somebody.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well no, I think everyone involved.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dan Quinn. It was him.

[Danny Kelly]

Dan Coyne fired almost everybody, didn't he?

[Danny Hyffit]

I think everyone got. Everyone involved got tired of each other.

[Danny Kelly]

It was him got tired.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He was there for two years.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes. And so usually when things burn out that quickly after again I think success always papers over creative differences. And we see that again like the Broncos and Bonix. I'm kind of convinced Sean Payton Bonex kind of hate each other. They won 13 straight games. They lost one game and it came out. They had such a great season last year. The fact that it could blow up so quickly I think suggests there's issues. And I keep thinking about two things. Cliff Kingsbury hasn't really kept any job that long other than the Cardinals was only like what?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Three, four years.

[Danny Hyffit]

Cardinals is four years. But like even then it ended. The other thing I'd say is Washington the reason Ben Johnson left and didn't take the Washington job. He said they were all basketball guys which kind of got washed out under the Washington's first year success. But I do wonder about like Dan Quinn that coach. I'm like what does he. He brought excellent vibes to like change the taste in the mouths of Washington fans post Dan Snyder. But realistically like I don't know if Dan Snyder is the coach of the future for Washington.

[Danny Kelly]

Quinn, you mean?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Dan Snyder definitely not. Almost certainly not the coach of the future. But I do wonder about the over ownership. Josh Harris, all these guys. Adam again. Adam Peters, the GM. He came from the 49ers. They have, like, Bob Myers, who was the warriors gm.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, they're like. They're like, telling them to run pick and rolls. In Kingsbury's.

[Danny Hyffit]

What are we talking about?

[Danny Kelly]

Just do a Euro step.

[Danny Hyffit]

He's like, kick the field goal.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's a three. It's not called the paint. It's called the end zone.

[Danny Kelly]

I just think it's interesting that Kingsbury, he actually did interview for two head coaching jobs, at least with the Ravens and Titans, and now he's taking a job with the Rams and he's not calling plays. So he went from potential head coach to guy that comes and hangs out with Sean McVay.

[Danny Hyffit]

Isn't that a great call, though? Because everyone gets high.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. I think it's. It's basically acknowledging that I wasn't going to get one of these jobs. But it is a. It's just kind of an interesting. Not even lateral. He's. He's going. He's taking a lesser job.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't know. Michael Fleur just got the freaking head coach job for the Cardinals, and he also did not call plays.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I mean, no.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, it's probably a good move for his career overall. Yeah, but it is.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think Cliff's a climber.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like Mike McDaniel going to the Chargers. Like, you know what you're doing?

[Danny Kelly]

This is.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's a long.

[Danny Kelly]

No, that's a good. That's a good comp.

[Danny Hyffit]

That's a good McDaniel, though. I think it's more love of the game because he's all, I'll be a head coach this way. But also to be fun. God, that's. That's the best one of all.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, where's his house gonna be?

[Danny Hyffit]

Who he's also. But they won't hang out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

McDaniel.

[Danny Hyffit]

McDaniel and Cliff, like, won't hang out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I need to learn more about Mike McDaniel now that he's my coach.

[Danny Hyffit]

Do you think he's sneakily gonna be in the east side? It's like he's being.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know. I don't know if he's Manhattan Beach. My Manhattan beach might be too sterile for him.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, he would want to be Silver Lake, but I don't know. The traffic. Maybe he'd like driving. I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I could just see him having, like, a little shack up in Malibu and just living it up.

[Danny Kelly]

Where's the Chargers practice? Is it at.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's by lax?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's down south.

[Danny Hyffit]

This is, like, everyone's favorite topic. If you don't live.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know LA well enough.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's south.

[Danny Hyffit]

Neither does anyone listening.

[Danny Kelly]

Last team, then you get on the 405. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Get on semicente.

[Danny Kelly]

What are you doing here?

[Danny Hyffit]

The last one here is the Arizona Cardinals, who have Kyler Murray, and again, I think Kyler is super. Adam Schiffer reported Kyler's super available Cardinal out regardless.

[Danny Kelly]

Basically, even though they did this new.

[Danny Hyffit]

Hire, it seems that way because, again, when Jacoby Brissette took over, they were like, we love this guy. We can't believe his presence, preparation. It's unbelievable. Michael Wilson's talking about how he sent me ways. He wants routes to be run, which, again, is just more, I think, an indictment of Kyler than some amazing joker. Hobie Brissette went 11 in 10 as a starter. They loved him. That's an indictment. So that's a bad sign. So if you just look at the pieces that are available, let's just say for argument's sake that TUA gets cut and Kyler gets cut, and then Kirk gets cut.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This is a real. You don't want to be out here.

[Danny Hyffit]

You don't want to be out here. But I. So here's the thing. I kind of think this thing that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Makes the most sense, Kyler's a Dolphin. Where else can he go?

[Danny Hyffit]

I was gonna say, shouldn't Arizona and Miami just swap? Wife swap Kyler. Kyler goes to Miami. And my. And two. It goes to Arizona.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, those are two guys who need to play in a domer in warm weather. Kyler cannot be on the Browns. Kyler cannot be on the Jets. I'm. It won't work.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So who else really is there? Miami.

[Danny Hyffit]

I do think that makes the most sense, because if you look around, why. Why would the like. Two is not great, but I would take two over Derek Carr. Like, I would say so, ma'. Am.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's gonna be like, hey, we'll pay $49 million of TUA salary for you for Arizona to have TUA, and Arizona's like, we'll pay 49 million of Kyler's salary for you to have Kyler.

[Danny Hyffit]

Isn't that like an NBA thing where it's like, two guys don't work and we're like, oh, like, didn't Chris Paul get traded for Russell Westbrook one? So it's like, maybe a different set of problems will help me. You know what I mean?

[Craig Horlbeck]

That is really funny. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Sometimes you want something different. I. Cause other than that, I mean, what Kirk Cousins could go to Arizona, but what does that do for them? I mean, maybe it's lafleur. Like, there's a whole, like, Shanahan style system there that he could do. But I really do kind of wonder about just get Kurt. Get Tua for Kyler. And then it's like Derek Carr can go to the jets, which is sad, but actually it's probably best for the Jets.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The question is, is. Sam Darnold has presented, honestly, a lot of fun conversations over the next five months about what quarterback you would want to take a chance on. I guess if we had to make like, if Darnold is a 10 out of 10 on the. On the reclamation scale, who's a 0? Like, is it like Josh Rosen? Is it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Josh Rosen is In fact the 00, right? Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So where on the scale do you think Kyler Murray is right now?

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's closer to Darnold.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, he's definitely closer to Darnold than Josh Rosen. But is he like a five or a six or is he like an eight or a nine?

[Danny Kelly]

I was thinking like a six or a seven.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think he always comes up.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think he's a. I think Kyler is probably like a six. Because the questions with Kyler are questions about maturity, leadership, character, whatever. But also if he. If you could have somehow be convinced that actually Kyler has become like a great leader or whatever, and you actually believed that he was, then suddenly it's just he's still halfway to. The problem is Kyler's a crazy athlete with a smaller frame. And as he loses athleticism, his inability to play from the pocket doesn't square. Like Darnold playing from the pot. All these guys able to play under center, drop back, doesn't like, works because they're able to do it. Kyler still has enough athleticism that he could make shit work. Like he could go to the Colts. Like, he could do crazy stuff work. And you need one good run. I think he's a six and a half. The question is, like, why are. Why is Arizona so sick of him? Of like, we don't want him around? Like, that's the question. But also that's like, guys just need.

[Danny Kelly]

A change of scenery, honestly.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, man. Arizona, like, that's a.

[Danny Kelly]

It's awesome. The team, the. The franchise has lost faith in it, and he's probably not feeling that franchise either.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How much do you think Arizona is going to have to eat of his salary?

[Danny Hyffit]

A tremendous amount. Tremendous. But they don't have any choice because the reason Arizona has to, like, genuinely, like, raise it to the ground and rebuild. Like, there's no remodeling. You're literally in the Seahawks. And Mike McDonald, who is the youngest coach in the NFL and the third youngest Super bowl winner and the super bowl favorite. And then you have Sean McVay, who is somehow the third young or the fifth youngest coach and the second longest tenured coach, and the Rams, who are the second super bowl favorite. And then the Niners and Kyle Shanahan are the third biggest super bowl favorite division. And the gap between those three and the Cardinals are probably about as big as maybe in divisions ever had entering a season. And they don't have a quarterback and everyone else does. So you kind of like the Cardinals. It's a total, total reset.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it is. It's going to be probably dark for a while before the sun comes up again.

[Danny Kelly]

Is there a world? And I was just thinking about this. I mean, obviously we're kind of assuming that Willis is going to end up in Miami if that doesn't happen. Malik Willis, maybe the brother connection with Mike and Matt LaFleur.

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, wow, that's a good.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe he's like, he gets the stamp of approval from Michael Fleur. Matt LaFleur in Arizona. Wait, am I getting that right?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, in Green Bay.

[Danny Kelly]

Michael Flair is in Arizona now. Maybe he gets the brother stamp of approval. There's some sort of deal there. Not deal. That's a great understanding.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's a phenomenal point for a lot of reasons. Malik Willis was drafted to Tennessee. Matt LaFleur came from Tennessee. And not at the same time, but you know the same people. You get a better read if you.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Used to work there.

[Danny Kelly]

It's getting the lowdown on how he practices, how he prepares.

[Danny Hyffit]

You hear from all the people as.

[Danny Kelly]

A leader, things like that. Those are very important things.

[Danny Hyffit]

Stay in touch with the people from when you were there. So then he's clearly liked Malik Willis enough to sign him in Green Bay. And then every game he played, you're like, oh, this guy's way better than the third rounder. And again, Malik Willis is faster than Lamar Jackson at this point. And he is a top eight or nine arm in the entire NFL. So that's actually a good point. It's probably Arizona or Miami from Link Willis.

[Danny Kelly]

And where does. Where does Willis. I don't know if he's a reclamation project really, but where does he. Where does he stand on that scale that you just said?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, it's different because the Darnold scale is like a Guy who had high expectations, who flopped.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And now needs to come back. Malik Willis never really.

[Danny Hyffit]

Malik Willis's upside is I actually would compare him to like Tony Romo in that Tony Roma was an undrafted free agent who then just became like a beloved 12 year borderline hall of Famer. And I think Malik will. Malik Willis similarly is like a guy that was like a project and just not a starting quarterback. That the upside is like, he's like an eight or nine. You're like, oh, this is. Maybe you could win a Super Bowl. Like. Well, the downside is the downside. It's like Justin Fields last year, where you're like six weeks in, you're like, this guy shouldn't be playing. But he's. I think he's better than I do too.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's tough how he showed more as.

[Danny Hyffit]

A pastor than Phoe ever did. Yes, he has.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's tough how much you have to talk yourself into these things. And when you kind of take a step back and look at it from 30,000ft, you realize, man, this is still pretty dire. Like the idea of. It's like you're kind of talking ourselves into Miami maybe going after Kyler, and you're like, well, you know, they. They're paying $49 million to Tua, who's gone. But then maybe they only have to pay a small amount for Kyler. So you're really just swapping out Tua for Kyler and paying the same amount of money, which really doesn't sound that bad in theory, all things considered. And yet I think. I think Kyler Murray is the last quarterback I'd want in the NFL right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Now, even with Tua more than Tua.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, if you only have to pay, I don't know, because I wouldn't even. Tua's not a starter to me.

[Danny Hyffit]

I was going to say a mean thing right there, but Kyler is the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Definition of no man's land to me. He's going to be 29 years old when the season starts. He has the worst style frame for aging in the NFL at quarterback. You have to pay him so much money. Like, this is the exact wrong time to buy in on him.

[Danny Hyffit]

Here's the other problem with Kyler, and it's weird because on one hand he's so talented and Arizona is such a wasteland that it's not hard to imagine Kyler being better somewhere else. But the problem is you also, and the reason Jacoby Brissette came in and the Cardinals offense, instantly, Trey McBride had more touchdowns in like the first six weeks with Jacoby Brissette in three years of Kyler Murray. And the problem is you need to be running an offense that lets you evaluate players. And if you're not able to actually run a drop back offense, you can't one, evaluate your offensive line because Kyler's not. He's running all over and guys can't hold blocks. You can't evaluate your receivers because they're not in rhythm. Kyler's not running a rhythm offense. So you don't realize Michael Wilson's better than Marvin Harrison. And you didn't know that because Kyler wasn't playing in rhythm. Brissette gets in there, you're like, oh, Michael Wilson's definitely better. So if you're the jets and you're bringing Kyler Murray, believe it or not, it might be better for the jets to bring in Derek Carlos. Not because the jets could win a Super bowl with Derek Carr next year, but because the jets might get a better season evaluating both your offensive tackles. Garrett Wilson, John Messi, like you're going to get your better sense of your rocket.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I agree.

[Danny Hyffit]

Everyone practice.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You have to give everything to Kyler Murray to make the offense work. It has to be Kyler Murray's offense and it has to be completely designed around it.

[Danny Hyffit]

You have to do.

[Danny Kelly]

It has to be a coach that really believes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do you think the Seahawks could have won the Super Bowl? Just the game? Let's say they already made it there and you swap out Sam Darnold for Geno Smith.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Because their defense.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who's the worst quarterback that could have won that game currently in the NFL?

[Danny Kelly]

The worst.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Could Malik Willis have won the game?

[Danny Hyffit]

Yes, because you know what Malik Willis is good about? He. He has all the physical tools, but in Green Bay, I think he was actually pretty good at protecting the football.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, he'll just like throw deep and run it.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, it's like the worst quarterback who wouldn't turn the like. Like JJ McCarthy could not have won that game. No, no, no, that's a good question. He's the worst quarterback who could have won.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, man. I actually think Tyler could have Darnold. I mean, again, it's going to go down as one of the best free agent signings of all time. One of the best decisions, like chain decisions or whatever for the Seahawks in terms of trading away Geno and signing Darnold. And they decided that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wait, well, could they have one with Gino? We're saying yes.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they could have won that game.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think they would have gotten to the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think yes. Because Darnold again, the tua. I kind of think I kind of. I kind of.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They can win with anything.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think two it throws a pick. I think two. It turns the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

The way that the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

All those throws in the beginning of the game that Donald almost got picked.

[Danny Kelly]

The way the Patriots were pressuring and the way that Darnold was avoiding sacks in that game.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't think Tua cannot avoid the sacks anymore. He can't move the same. And also Darnold's arm strength is the reason he was intercepting.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What am I saying? I'd rather have Kyler than Tua.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What am I saying?

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, I. I have a mean. No, not going to say I have a mean comment on the two of them.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Go ahead.

[Danny Hyffit]

The biggest question with Kyler and to it for both of them is above the neck.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's not that mean.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

But Kyler's way more dynamic.

[Danny Hyffit]

Tua does not have physical. The two. The part with two that's under discussed despite the concussions is the ankle and hip injuries have also sapped his mobility and his throwing power. So he like we like. The reason we joke about his arm punts is that Tua genuinely doesn't have the arm strength he did in college. Like Tua and Bama was. He had a can't. He wasn't a cannon, but he had more juice. So much more juice. He can't throw the ball as well or avoid sacks.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay. I think that's enough on those guys.

[Danny Kelly]

Just want to talk about Patrick Mahomes more or what?

[Danny Hyffit]

I was just happy to have an argument about football. That was cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That was nice. That was really. That was organic.

[Danny Hyffit]

That was an organic Mahomes. We even had it again. My home said to literally tears ACL.

[Danny Kelly]

For seven or start saying I feel like I'm crazy. That's when you know it's getting good.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, but I said at the beginning.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like leaning in on the seat, he asked.

[Danny Hyffit]

He asked, are you.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I was kidding. I don't want to talk about it anymore. I was kidding.

[Danny Hyffit]

Winter Olympics anything.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know, figure skating duo. The couple. They're incredible. They danced to or they. They performed to paint it black was sick.

[Danny Hyffit]

This was crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

I haven't. I didn't watch.

[Danny Hyffit]

You should watch it. It was amazing. Please email [e-mail] cases for if you had to win a medal in the Winter Olympics or you would Die. I want to know what's. What ones you would pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's curling.

[Danny Hyffit]

Everyone says so.

[Danny Kelly]

The curling apparently has been incredible.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Really?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. That's what I've heard.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The figure skaters are Madison Chalk and Evan Bates. They crushed the curlers are pretty good. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

All right. Non curling sport. I want to see if there's a case you have for something other than curling. If you could win a medal.

[Danny Kelly]

Biathlon, the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is that where you ski and shoot?

[Danny Kelly]

I think so. Yes.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, that. That's. You gotta learn two things. I think there are niche ones that you could try because a couple emails will get out of here.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What if I'm just like one of the guys in the bobsled?

[Danny Hyffit]

That's. There's a case.

[Danny Kelly]

There's a technical skill there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But yeah, if I'm one of the four and the other three are great because.

[Danny Hyffit]

Did you watch the American curlings? You're like, you couldn't have beaten these people. They're un. Unbelievable. They're psychopaths.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Probably snowboarding.

[Danny Kelly]

Have you seen some of the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They do?

[Danny Kelly]

It's crazy, dude.

[Danny Hyffit]

I. Austin Gail had not seen like, Shawn White's gold medal half pipe routine. And I'm like, dude, you only get to watch this for the first time once. Yeah, he was. Did. Did any Olympian. Olympian loom in your mind as large as, like, Sean White? Like, I feel like Michael Phelps's legacy is obvious.

[Danny Kelly]

Sha was the big one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would say same bolt, but fair. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

But Sha White was like, way cooler than my Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps is like pool guy. Sean White was like, man, that's probably the coolest guy. Yeah. I agree with that. That he.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, really? I thought. I think for our generation, I think. Okay, maybe. I think Michael Phelps was cooler and more famous.

[Danny Hyffit]

Cooler.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, cooler.

[Danny Hyffit]

Certainly more famous.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think the nature of snowboarding is just like, more.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like skateboarding. It's like X Games. It's more like alternative cool than swimming.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. Snowboarding is like, probably the coolest thing you could do.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. But Phelps is the most decorated Olympian of all time. Pretty cool.

[Danny Hyffit]

But the process of that is you swim for like 16 hours a day.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, is Clayton Kershaw cool?

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But is he an incredible pitcher? Yes.

[Danny Hyffit]

Madison Bumgar. He's cool.

[Danny Kelly]

I guess in. If you're breaking down the definition of cool, I think, yes, Shawn White's probably.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Cooler, but, like, is Patrick Mahomes cool?

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, that's a great. Wow. Yeah. I think he has to be.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But like, pretty cool.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's not as cool as Joe Burn.

[Danny Hyffit]

No, but we're talking about when we were four. No, but here's the thing. No, we were 14.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mahomes is not cooler than Joe, bro.

[Danny Hyffit]

You say that.

[Danny Kelly]

How many people are battling their game after Mahomes?

[Danny Hyffit]

Joe Burrow hasn't made the playoffs in three years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, but that's not. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's not what it's about.

[Danny Hyffit]

But Sean. Sean White did have to win like six gold medals to be in the conversation. Can you name another snowboarder from 20 years ago?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, but being cool, you have to be good. There's a baseline of good. You have to be. But once you're above it, anyone can be the coolest.

[Danny Hyffit]

Tell Dylan Raiola that Moms isn't cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's a good example of why not cool.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay. A couple of years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think Holmes is cooler than Burrow.

[Danny Hyffit]

I think that everyone's holding onto this Burrow from, like, you guys look at me for Lamar. I'm like, I think Burrow a few years ago is a conversation. They haven't made the playoffs in three years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm talking about cool, not good. I think he got like, Josh Allen cooler than Mahomes.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, I think Burrow's gotten pretty angsty. Turned 30 and he freaked out. He started talking existentially. Dude, they read a real Joe Burrow quote. Did you march it 30? Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's 29.

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, sorry. He get a press conference about turning 30.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He turns 30 in a year.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay, so he talked about it. Oh, no, sorry. No, you're right. You're right.

[Danny Kelly]

It's over the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

All right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. I confused myself because over a year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

From now, we'll know what. How, when he's going to be 30. It's like the sun.

[Danny Hyffit]

He turned 29 and he literally started it with, I'm almost 30, and. And I got confused. But on his 20th birthday, he gave a press conference, but they read the quotes to Jamar Chase, who has known him for what, like eight years?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

And they were like. And he was like. He didn't say that. And they're like, he did. He was like, did he really? Man, I should talk to him more. Like Joe Bur. I think he's like, it's a little more angsty.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So what. What is. What is Patrick Mahomes done that you think is cool? Like, from a personality standpoint?

[Danny Hyffit]

Winning. It was probably winning, obviously. Winning three straight Super Bowls while his best friend dates Taylor Swift. And I don't know, like, I feel like this is like an example because.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Travis Kelsey dates Taylor Swift. Why does that mean he's cool?

[Danny Kelly]

He's cool because he's.

[Danny Hyffit]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

He's in Travis Kelce's crew.

[Danny Hyffit]

Carlos, can you be fair? Can you just pick up everything Craig said about why they think he'd win the super bowl next year and just drop it here? You're like, why is he cool? It's. We're not talking about winning completely, but it is winning. No, he was the key to all the winning.

[Danny Kelly]

He shot me down because I said he. Phelps was the most decorated Olympian. Yeah, it's not about winning.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's. But it's not just winning. It's that he was. Because he literally came his first season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Shay Gilgis out. Alexander is not cooler than Anthony Edwards just because he's better. Anthony Edwards is cooler than Shay.

[Danny Hyffit]

Do you forget the first four years?

[Craig Horlbeck]

The same thing.

[Danny Hyffit]

His first season started. He was the third player to ever 50 touchdown passes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't understand what's happening.

[Danny Kelly]

He's not hearing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're not hearing me at all.

[Danny Hyffit]

The way he plays is cool. Am I crazy?

[Craig Horlbeck]

The way he plays is cool. I agree with that.

[Danny Hyffit]

The way he plays is cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

His style is cool. But the accomplishments at a certain point don't. I'm taking that away. That's the whole point. There's a threshold of good. You have to be. Burrow and Josh Allen and Lamar and Mahomes are all already in that tier. And then now becomes an even battle of who's coolest from an intangibles perspective.

[Danny Hyffit]

Patrick Mahomes drinks Coors Light and plays golf. And Joe Burrow does his crystals for to heal his foot. I'm like, what is. I don't know. I guess he's like Conrad.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's fair.

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm not even. I feel crazy. The beginning of this was you making fun of Mahomes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I can't think of a single cool thing Patrick Mahomes is. And I'm not disparaging Mahomes. I love Mahomes. Off field or off the field? Off the field.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But what is cool about Mahomes as, like a personality, an athlete, but the.

[Danny Hyffit]

Way he's on the field is incredible. Like, the way he plays is cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Cooler than Joe Burrow.

[Craig Horlbeck]

His playstyle is cooler than Joe Burrow. I would agree with that. But as a personality, who's cooler?

[Danny Hyffit]

I'm saying in the last two years, Joe Burrow's gone down.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who's cooler? Answer my question.

[Danny Hyffit]

Patrick Mahomes. Because the more we've learned about Burrow the last two years, the less cool he's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tell me something about Patrick Mahomes, his personality. What's a quote that sticks in your mind? What's a funny moment comment? What's a.

[Danny Hyffit]

What's a. I like that he genuinely has a sponsorship with Coors Light, because even though he's like, a going to be a billionaire, he's like, I just drink Coors Light.

[Craig Horlbeck]

A brand deal with a major beer.

[Danny Hyffit]

I don't even know what happened.

[Danny Kelly]

We should. We should.

[Danny Hyffit]

We should.

[Danny Kelly]

We should pivot. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay, let's. Let's do a chaser here. It's from Zeke.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Zone Z Bone.

[Danny Hyffit]

Talking about the frame mogging and everything. I heard you guys needed a teenager. And he. He writes igy, which I assume means, I got you.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyffit]

Breakfast was a blue Red Bull, a bag of Doritos, and a Twix.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's Twix.

[Danny Hyffit]

Zeke writes, I've definitely heard of people breaking their jaw to regrow it. What? I've never in my life heard of moids or foids or jester gooning or munting or SMB. He writes, I'm employed. However, he says, I have no doubts that there are some gooners out there who are tapped in with the clavicular lore. By the way, if y' all haven't investigated Italian brain rot, you should probably investigate Italian brain rot, especially Berber patiti and bombardino crocodile.

[Danny Kelly]

Whoa.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're wandering down a dark road.

[Danny Kelly]

Investigate Italian brain rot.

[Danny Hyffit]

The fact that he was like, I don't know what all this frame mogging means, but I do know friends who know friends who broke their jaws for a job.

[Danny Kelly]

Austin just texted, Italian brain rot is s. Tier.

[Danny Hyffit]

Italian brain rot. The fuck is that you. I looked it up, and now you get to look up Italian brain rot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, do you want me to dive in right now?

[Danny Hyffit]

Well, it's songs I don't think you can play, unfortunately. Give me.

[Danny Kelly]

Give me some context of what you do have to.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's just like EDM songs to. It's almost like if it's like, bur. Bur was like, an EDM song that we kept. I. Dude, I can't explain it, okay? Just look up Crocodillo bar.

[Danny Kelly]

Gen Z uses the term brain rot a lot. That's like.

[Danny Hyffit]

It's like a red flag.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like a thing that they.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is that an app you can use to. To, like, prevent how much you use your phone?

[Danny Hyffit]

Brain rot? Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, isn't it?

[Danny Kelly]

That's Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's an app that, like, locks your phone after a certain amount of hours.

[Danny Hyffit]

Probably good. Yeah. Okay. Shout out to Zeke and his blue Red Bull.

[Danny Kelly]

Austin says that it's AI generated characters speaking fake Italian in many short form movies.

[Danny Hyffit]

That is a really good subscription. That's a good description.

[Craig Horlbeck]

AI generated animals speaking.

[Danny Kelly]

No, they're not even fake Italian characters in mini short form movies.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig is dying over here.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah. It's like AI trying to make up Italian.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't. I don't think I want to dig into this.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, I think I do.

[Danny Hyffit]

We'll grind the tape. We'll get back.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Hyffit]

Okay. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone who's been with us on this journey. Thank you, Patrick Mahomes. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you. Are you dying?

[Danny Kelly]

God bless America.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Thank you. Trying to get out of this goddamn habit's gonna let me leave.

[Danny Hyffit]

Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Lord. Thank you, Somber.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Hell yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Is that how you pronounce it?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It is cool.

[Danny Hyffit]

Now I feel like I'm losing it. Didn't we do them a week ago or do you just know? You just told me about him a week ago.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I texted him to. I told him to thank Somber. But would you not have. You would have remembered.

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, you told me about Somber.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. I love that song, 12 to 12 banger. It sounds like. Like a old school,'80s pop song. It's great. Why would we talking about them?

[Danny Hyffit]

Oh, he was at the Grammys.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

They were at the Grammys.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's just one guy, but yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He. He looks like he's in Stranger Things.

[Danny Hyffit]

Dude. He's the one who wore the disco ball.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I don't know if I saw that, dude.

[Danny Hyffit]

He. This guy looks like he's on. He's like Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Very tall and thin. Kind of like Finn Wolfard frame. That's why, dude.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yep. I can see it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. 12 to 12, though. Great song.

[Danny Hyffit]

12 to 12. Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

This guy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You've probably heard it. It's. It's on the radio.

[Danny Kelly]

This looks like he's been. What is it? Bone smashing. His jaw.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, he's definitely been. He's frame. Because he was all the bone smashing. Look up his Grammy's outfit.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't know if he's frame mugging. He needs to add a little beat beef.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, he does.

[Danny Kelly]

He's tall. He's height. Mugging.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, he's only. He's young. He's like 20.

[Danny Kelly]

Somber.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Just like clavicular.

[Danny Kelly]

He does look a little somber in all these pictures.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that his jawline is actually crazy. It is when you have, like, you have the sunken in cheek and the. The mandible, whatever that is, pops out.

[Danny Hyffit]

He's mewing. Yeah, it's all the mewing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's a natural mew. It looks like.

[Danny Hyffit]

Yeah, the natural mew.

[Danny Kelly]

This guy just looks like he was born to be a rock star. All right, I'll check it out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, 12 to 12.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's good if you like 80s. You like the 80s?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I love 80s music.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Some people don't like it. Some people think it's trash. Not me.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm glad it's back, honestly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, me too.

[Danny Hyffit]

I feel like you like 70s music.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I like them.

[Danny Hyffit]

I like 60s.

[Craig Horlbeck]

70S. Yeah. That's like late 70s into early 80s.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but when you think about the 80s, it's like synth heavy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like journeys.

[Danny Kelly]

Look.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Stadium rock.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Hyffit]

All right, goodbye, everyone.