Belichick Crushed, Plus the 2025 Mega Season Preview: MVP, Playoff Predictions, and Super Bowl Picks

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show | "Belichick Crushed, Plus the 2025 Mega Season Preview: MVP, Playoff Predictions, and Super Bowl Picks"

Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (“DK”), Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

The trio launches their 2025 NFL season with the annual “Mega Preview,” combining division-by-division playoff picks, Super Bowl predictions, awards forecasts (including MVP and offensive/defensive players of the year), as well as vibrant tangents about coaching drama, fantasy dark horses, name bias, and more. They react to Bill Belichick's disastrous UNC college coaching debut, debate the fallout of recent blockbuster trades, and indulge in a wildly entertaining lefty/righty sports rabbit hole.

With their trademark blend of stats, banter, analogies, and unfiltered enthusiasm, this power-hour episode arms listeners with insight and hot takes to carry into the fantasy season, provides actionable betting nuggets, and lands on a vigorously debated set of preseason picks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Belichick’s UNC Fiasco and Coaching Chaos

• Belichick’s First College Loss: The episode kicks off with mockery and disbelief about Bill Belichick’s catastrophic debut at UNC, losing 48–14 to TCU—the most points he’s ever allowed in any head coaching appearance ([06:20]).
  • DK ponders, “Maybe there’s a reason all NFL teams decided not to hire Bill Belichick.” (07:13)
  • Heifetz compares UNC hiring Belichick to “Ridley Scott making Gladiator 2. It sounds exciting, but then you remember Ridley Scott’s 85.” (08:22)
• TCU Betting Rants: Multiple hosts express regret they didn’t aggressively bet on TCU and roast their producer for not podcasting the Texas-based game ([08:00]).
• Coach Age Jokes: Comparing Belichick and Pete Carroll to aging directors and actors (“How old is Clint now? 95—I nailed that!” – DK, [09:22])

2. Major Personnel News: Cowboys, Micah Parsons Trade & Injury

• Micah Parsons' Back Injury: Deep dive into Parsons' “facet joint sprain” and whether Jerry Jones, maligned for trading away the superstar, may appear shrewd if the injury derails Parsons’ impact ([02:31]–[03:55]).
  • Craig: “What if his back thing is real and he only plays six games? Was Jerry right?” ([03:38])
  • Heifetz: “We all assumed it was about the contract... what if it’s actually real? That would be funny.” ([03:40])
• Dallas Locking Up Jarron Bland: Laugh at the $90 million contract for corner Jarron Bland right after trading away Parsons ([05:09])
  • “Laughed out of the banana stand!” – Craig ([05:41])

3. Division-by-Division Playoff Previews

Power-Hour style: rapid-fire, two-minute segments per division, wild-card picks, and reasoning.

NFC East ([11:06])

• Unanimous Eagles Picks: “Eagles. It’s easy.” – DK, Craig, Heifetz
• Wild Card Hots: Craig & DK sneakily pick Washington/Commanders for a 7-seed, citing QB Jaden Daniels’ “program elevator” effect:
  • “Jaden Daniels is just a program elevator.” – DK ([12:32])
  • Heifetz scoffs at Giants/Cowboys: “Certainly don’t have [the Cowboys] in now.”

NFC West ([15:48])

• DK: Rams to win division (“I thought about my Seahawks, but [picked] Rams.”)
• Heifetz: Seahawks for division, Niners/Cardinals wild cards
• Craig: Niners to win, Seahawks as wild card; dismisses Rams over Stafford injury risks
• Gist: Three differing takes, previewing a messy, competitive division

NFC North ([18:05])

• Lions vs. Packers Debate:
  • Heifetz: Lions win division, Packers wild card
  • DK: Packers to win, wild card Vikings—expressing doubt in the Lions’ repeat run without Ben Johnson
  • Craig: Matches Heifetz, likes Lions/Packers in
  • “The Lions just have one of the best five rosters in the NFL.” – Craig ([19:52])

NFC South ([21:20])

• Bucs = Unanimous Picks: All hosts trust the Buccaneers’ stability/roster over erratic Atlanta.
• Levonte David, “the most underrated linebacker in the NFL, on any New York team he’d be a Hall of Famer.” – Heifetz ([22:14])
• “Results over expectations for six straight years.” – DK

AFC East ([27:16])

• All ride with the Bills (“Easiest to slot in.”), Heifetz adds Patriots as a wild card for “the Mike Vrabel floor raiser effect.” ([27:27])
• DK explains why he’s out on the Dolphins (“the most fragile offense ever built”) and Jets (“let them beat me”).

AFC West ([29:16])

• All stick with Chiefs for division (“Don’t be an idiot, just pick the team that’s won 9 straight.” – Heifetz [29:16])
• DK throws the Raiders in as a 7-seed wild card, Heifetz/others take Broncos; some optimism for Chargers with Herbert/Harbaugh for playoffs

AFC North ([33:05])

• Ravens unanimous division winner (DK: “They’re my 1-seed.”)
• Wild Cards:
  • DK & Craig: Bengals in (but both Browns out)
  • Craig: Steelers for wild card (“They won 10 games with Pickett, can win 11 with Rodgers.” [33:27])
• Steelers’ endless competence, even with aging Rodgers/Arthur Smith incongruence
  • Heifetz: “The funny part is, keeping them in is almost the bold prediction.” ([34:52])

AFC South ([38:25])

• Texans are near-unanimous, DK lone wolf on Jags for “too many moving parts in Houston”; again, the group respects Houston’s defense (“great D-line and secondary, not many teams have both” [40:07])

4. Super Bowl, Playoff, and Award Picks

Conference Champions

• NFC:
  • Craig: Packers
  • DK & Heifetz: Eagles
    “The Eagles are just the Legion of Boom over again—offense better, defense still scary.” – Heifetz ([43:36])
• AFC:
  • DK & Heifetz: Ravens, Eagles–Ravens Super Bowl (Heifetz has Eagles over Ravens, DK the reverse)
  • Craig: Bills over Packers

MVP

• Heifetz & DK: Josh Allen (for team record, “MVP is a team award in disguise” [45:22])
• Craig: Lamar Jackson (though dislikes all the odds, “Lamar or Allen is just not exciting”)

Best Value Bets

• Joe Burrow for Offensive Player of the Year at 60:1 (“Absurd odds for a guy that could lead the league in yards and TDs.” – Heifetz [59:18])
• Jalen Hurts 20:1 for MVP (if Eagles win 14+)
• Offensive Player of Year: non-QBs dominate recent history (“the best non-QB” – DK [59:06])
• Defensive POY: Hutchinson, Parsons, and Watt get attention; note how DPOY is almost always pass rush sack leader unless a weak year

5. Fantasy & Gambling Nuggets

• Heifetz will bet Hurts + McCaffrey TD props every week: “We’ll see what happens at year’s end.” ([24:14])
• Notable cheap Super Bowl and playoff longshots:
  • “Seahawks are 70:1, best bet on the board.”
  • “Bucs are 27:1 to win the NFC. If it isn’t Eagles, who’s beating them?”
  • “Washington’s 20:1, if Jaden Daniels is a top 5 QB, why not?” ([48:14])

6. Rookie and Other Awards (61:02 on)

• Offensive Rookie of Year: Loaded class; Cam Ward and Ashton Gentry are betting favorites, but “it always goes to the cool player” ([66:54])
• Defensive Rookie: Abdul Carter consensus favorite but pricey odds, “second team cornerback Travis Hunter is tempting.”
• Coach of the Year: Should be “Most Improved Team” instead; Vrabel and Pete Carroll mentioned—“Favorites are always guys who didn’t make the playoffs last year who do it now.” (68:48)
• Comeback Player: Lament the lack of criteria (“Are we picking a guy coming off injury or just someone who was bad last year?” [71:08]); CMC and Aiden Hutchinson among faves.

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Most Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Belichick at UNC:
  “Belichick looked genuinely shocked by playing a spread offense. Totally flummoxed.” – Heifetz ([06:51])
• On Ageing Coaching Legends:
  “UNC Belichick is like Ridley Scott making Gladiator 2. Sounds good but then you realize he’s 85.” – Craig ([08:22])
• On the Value of Defensive Linemen:
  “The Texans and Broncos are the only teams that can say they have both a great secondary and D-line. That’s just not a thing.” – Heifetz ([40:18])
• On Jaden Daniels:
  “He’s just a program elevator.” – DK ([12:32])
• On MVP as a Team Award:
  “MVP is a team award, thinly disguised as a player award.” – Heifetz ([45:20])
• On Lefty/Righty in Sports:
  “What about swinging righty makes it a righty act? If you swing a bat righty, is that a right-handed motion or really left-hand dominant?” – Craig ([73:34])
  Extended, hilarious emails/Canadian hockey/golf-tangent at [74:00–80:00], including Nadal’s switch for tennis and “hand bias is almost cultural.”
• On Analytics and Coin-flip Games:
  “At some point, the argument for regression disappears. If you win ten one-score games, you’re just good at one-score games, not lucky.” – Craig ([29:47])
• On Coach of the Year Voting:
  “Coach of the Year means you’re going to get fired in three years.” – Heifetz ([67:50])
• On Super Bowl Fatigue:
  “Chiefs have fourth-best odds? It’s literally fatigue.” – DK ([53:42])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:31 – Micah Parsons injury/trade breakdown
• 06:20 – Belichick’s UNC loss and TCU game betting laughs
• 11:06 – NFC East power-hour picks
• 15:48 – NFC West picks: all three hosts pick different teams
• 18:05 – NFC North picks, Lions/Packers/Vikings debate
• 21:20 – NFC South picks: Bucs consensus
• 27:16 – AFC East picks (Bills, wild cards, Dolphins offense debate)
• 29:16 – AFC West: Chiefs and wild cards
• 33:05 – AFC North: Ravens, Bengals, Steelers wild card cases
• 38:25 – AFC South: Texans vs. Jags, “too many moving parts”
• 43:30 – Super Bowl matchup predictions
• 45:20 – MVP/betting picks
• 59:18 – Burrow for OPOY at 60:1
• 61:02 – Rookie of Year & Defensive Player awards
• 67:50 – Coach of the Year: snark and odds
• 73:34 – Lefty/Righty sports rabbit hole, golf/hockey/tennis
• 81:24 – Language, culture, and sports handedness
• 84:00 – Wrapping up, preview for next episode

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways

• Deep roster and coaching analysis: Each host stakes out firm, well-rationalized picks while poking fun at their own biases and the sport's unpredictability.
• Fantasy and betting savvy: Plenty of actionable nuggets on player props, value Super Bowl odds, and “zig when others zag” fantasy strategy.
• Classic banter and analogies: Movie references, old coach jokes, and analogies bring levity to the analysis.
• Fan engagement: Wild interaction on lefty/righty debates and open invitations for listeners to email in their trivia and feedback.

This episode is an absolute primer for entering the 2025 fantasy and NFL season, with enough actionable picks and comic relief to keep both serious players and casual fans coming back.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heifet and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korolbecker. Today, it is power hour. Every Wednesday, every Wednesday, we power rank something. And today we're gonna power rank all the player of picks, all the super bowl picks, the awards we're gonna make all our picks and talk about a couple bets. We're going to power ink all that jazz for the entire season. And for those who don't know, just a reminder, we do four episodes a week during the season, so if you're just listening to us for the first time, don't stop. Because during the season, we do recap shows on Sunday nights, we do waivers, talk about Monday football and then what waiver picks to who to add during the season. We do power hours on Wednesdays and we also, like, preview all the games for Friday. So please stick with us during the regular season. So this is the first of many power hours, right, Craig?

[B]

That's correct, Danny.

[A]

All right, fine. Screw you. Fine.

[B]

To be honest with you, I was. I was looking up facet joint sprains as you were talking about that. Which is. Which is. I want to get right into that. So let me know. Let me know.

[A]

All right, well, we're going to talk. Yeah. Also Michael Parsons and Bill Belichick got there. Well, Michael Parsons traded again. Bill Belichick got his butt kicked. We're talking about all that stuff and also lefty righty stuff. But first, we're going to take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer fantasy football show is presented by Hyundai. The all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid proves that an incredible SUV is so much more than the sum of its parts. It's more than a spacious interior. It's more than being able to navigate difficult terrain. And it's way more than driving farther than you ever thought possible. It's the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid. So much more than just another SUV. Visit Hyundai USA.com or call 562-4314-4603 for more details. This is a real good story about.

[B]

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We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kath and Andrew.

[C]

I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me.

[A]

Of myself when I was that age. That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

[C]

These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I Was the captain.

[A]

Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.

[B]

That's how good leads the way.

[A]

And we're back. Okay. What is your facet joint sprain? What Michael Parsons back thing you want to talk about?

[B]

I just. Look, I. On paper, face value, terrible trade for the Cowboys.

[C]

Oh, no, he's already switched.

[B]

No, no, I, I just think it will be hilarious. Not hilarious for Micah Parsons, obviously. I want him to be healthy. However, if he has this like a, Like a real back problem, he like plays half the year, it requires surgery next year. It'll be interesting to see what people say about this trade and Jerry's decision. Micah Parsons. Let me just provide some context. I just wanted to point it out as a possibility. Micah Parsons, he's managing a facet joint sprain in his back. He might need an epidural injection, just like our guy Matt Stafford. He might need an epidural before the game on Sunday. So the Cowboys, before they traded in, they gave him a. When they were basically planning for him to play, they gave him a five day plan of medicine. It was prednisone, a corticosteroid used to reduce inflation around the irritated nerves and tissues in his back. Physical therapy program, all this stuff. And then they trade him to the Packers. I just wanted to throw it out there that if Micah Parsons plays six games this year and has a kind of significant back injury, was Jerry right?

[A]

Jerry's always right. It would be funny if this back injury we kind of all assumed was just because he didn't want to play until he signed a contract was in fact a real back injury. That would be funny.

[B]

I mean, an epidural injection the week of a game into his spine.

[C]

But did they use this as a example for why they traded him? I feel like this wasn't even the reason they traded him.

[A]

Good point.

[C]

They just said, oh, we. We don't want to put that much cast space into one position. We think we can get better, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

No, but you.

[A]

But.

[B]

Well, I, I'm sure they didn't want to play up the back thing because they were trying to trade him.

[C]

No, but I'm saying after they traded him, they don't. I don't remember them saying, like, oh, yeah, we were really worried about his back, but I guess that's just maybe taboo or something.

[A]

Jerry Jones had his long and unhinged press conference. I will say I do. I'm already torn between. We're getting some specifics of this back injury to be like, they can't really, you're not really supposed to lie about injuries. So it's part of me is like, yeah, this is maybe still a little whatever and they're covering up. But no, you're right, Craig. Like, it'd be funny if he had a serious back injury and we all flipped out. But no, I think I kind of lean toward. He's probably going to be fine.

[B]

And I mean for now I do. However, I don't know, reading some of this, I'm like, you know, we'll see.

[A]

I mean, let's be honest, if he has three sacks on in week one, I don't think he had a back.

[B]

Injury, as DK said. No, you. You didn't used to have a back injury.

[C]

Never used to have a bad 26 years old.

[A]

And well, the other funny thing the Cowboys did. So again, we. The Michael Parsons trade. We were doing the Take Purge on Thursday. We put that episode up Thursday night. Please check it out if you want. It was really fun. We're doing the Take Purge and Michael Parsons got traded during the episode and the Bill Simmons came in enjoyed. So it was really fun. Listen to that. Since then though, it's funny because Jaron Bland, who is a cornerback in Dallas has since gotten a $90 million contract from Dallas, which is literally hilarious to me that they locked up like a nickel cornerback of horrific secondary where the Dallas had no run defense and they're claiming Kenny Clark can do run day, but now they have no pass rush or run defense and then they're locking up nickel cornerbacks. So that's funny.

[B]

50 million guaranteed for Drawn Bland.

[A]

I mean, that's just kind of funny. Like, let's be like, I don't know.

[C]

Always money in the banana stand.

[A]

That's just funny to me. I don't know the other thing that was funny. I don't remember anything else from that Turk Purge episode. You know, it's all a little fuzzy. Yeah, I think, you know, we were all pretty down on the Bill Belichick experiment, right? That was my memory of the Take Purge. Like we were all pretty mainstream opinion. We're all thought this is pretty bad. The UNC experiment versus TCU producer Kai over here. Rookie move, didn't bring a microphone. He's. He's doing this from Texas and his beloved tc. Huge missed, huge, huge missed opportunity because Belichick comes out, they do seven nothing. They cut to Michael Jordan in the, in the box with Roy Williams, the former basketball coach and Lawrence Taylor. Then they cut to Jordan Hudson. 7 Nothing like Belichick's looking at the camera and like, okay, it's gonna be epic. And then they lost 48 to 14.

[C]

Like one of the legit, one of the worst losses in Belichick's coaching career.

[A]

The most points ever allowed by a professional by, by any game he's ever coached in the, in the NFL or college except he's coach one college game. The part that was funny to me, dk, I don't know how much of it you watched. They, the UNC in Belichick looked genuinely shocked by playing a spread offense. Totally flummoxed.

[C]

Wait, the offenses are different down here.

[A]

Like, like literally Kendall Briles is the son of Art Briles and like they kind of are like one of the big families. Both literally a family and also just a family of scheme that has dominated college football. This offense is like decade old. They haven't changed it. They just looked stunned.

[C]

I mean, I think it's funny to talk about Belichick not knowing what offense the opposing team would play, but that's obviously not true. I just, I will say not you don't want to overreact to one game. You don't want to make any huge declarations off of one small piece of the pie. But maybe there's a reason all NFL teams decided not to hire Bill Belichick.

[B]

Okay, so you are going to say what you.

[C]

Okay, maybe I'm saying maybe. Maybe there's a reason this was the.

[B]

Easiest TCU minus three and a half bet.

[A]

I. I got it of all time. I have to tell you, I'm actually upset with myself. I did look at the alternate spreads and I know that I, I went on the take purge and may have said some things about the long term arc of this UNC team. I do think I'm right that he'll be back there next year because he's not going to NFL HUD coaching job. But I will say I also your.

[B]

Prediction was not that he would be back next year. Your prediction was that they would win the ACC moving the goal posts and I don't remember they would be in the mix.

[C]

You said they would be Georgia this.

[B]

Year and all of the top teams.

[A]

I played both sides because I also bet the alternate spread on TCU to win by 20 and a half and I really wish I had bet further.

[C]

I wish I had bet more money.

[B]

This was just like the all time easiest. Of course I'm taking TCU bet in this. It was like way too much hype. I feel like Bill Belichick's been in the building for like a month. Like, I was like, this is going to. If it's going to work, it's not going to work immediately. It's going to take time. And Bill Belichick at UNC to me, is like Ridley Scott making Gladiator 2. Where it's like, at all. It sounds right. It looks good. We all remember Gladiator. Gladiator was awesome. But then you watch the movie and you're like, Ridley Scott's 85.

[C]

What are these dog things that are in this movie?

[B]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, the movie made a lot of money. People went and saw it. That UNC is going to get good ratings, make a lot of money. Any good? Yeah.

[A]

All right. So, yeah, with that said, let's go to Power Hour.

[C]

Yeah, that was here. It just reminds me of Craig talking about Clint Eastwood directing a movie. How old is Clint now?

[B]

Oh, now Clint's like 95. I. I stand by that. Juror number two is a great concept, and the. The. The guy's too old to direct that.

[A]

We'll just remake it when, you know.

[B]

How old is when what. He is 95, by the way. I nailed that.

[A]

That's wild. All right, let's get to Power Hour. We're going to go through basically who we think is going to make the playoffs, who we think is going to make the super bowl awards, MVP picks, everything. I want to start the playoffs. But again, for those who don't know, we're going to do this Power Hour style, which means every two minutes, you're going to hear this sound. Our beloved baby genius of love, TomTom Club. Our beloved.

[B]

I still sometimes don't know what is the artist and what is the song.

[A]

I. I forget about.

[C]

I definitively don't know what is Tom.

[B]

Tom Club is the band.

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Band Genius of Love is the song.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Almost positive. We love them no matter what their name is. Exactly.

[A]

They're the best.

[C]

Someday I'll watch the Purge. And also someday I'll watch that Guy Pierce movie. What was the Guy Pierce movie that we do again?

[B]

Memento.

[C]

Yeah, Memento. Someday I'll watch.

[A]

Forgetting that one's referenced. Yeah. So we're gonna go through here. We're gonna do two minutes on the clock, and at the end of two minutes, we're gonna, in theory, move on. And so we're just gonna go division by division here. I want to hear who you guys have winning any wild cards and everything, but let's just put two minutes on the clock. Kai, even though he doesn't Have a microphone. Can't believe tcu. There's your moment, Kai.

[B]

Grow up, Kai. Microphone.

[A]

The only win 25.

[C]

You must be carrying a mic at all times.

[B]

You're Gen Z. I thought they just had microphones on them at all times.

[C]

The little things with the. The fuzzies on the top. Come on.

[B]

Yeah, it's like super blown out, but on purpose. It's like these are the top matcha lattes in Los Angeles.

[A]

You actually would. Yeah.

[C]

You would make that.

[A]

You should do that.

[B]

I could do that.

[A]

I write that down. Okay, number one. Two minutes on the clock. NFC east. Dk, who do you have winning the NFC East? This is easy.

[C]

Eagles.

[A]

Craig.

[B]

Eagles.

[A]

Okay. I don't know why I started.

[B]

I should have put a different two minutes.

[A]

What are we gonna do the rest of the time? Why don't I start with this one?

[C]

Well, give us this. Give us the history of the NFC east, because obviously history is working on this one.

[A]

So, I mean, obviously we're picking the Eagles. I will say the NFC east hasn't had a Repeat champion in 20 years, which is the wildest stat any division ever in any sport in America at least, which is pretty crazy. I would think it's gonna. Now that the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons or the Giants can overcome the hardest schedule in the NFL. Is Washington gonna beat. I don't know. I just remember that Washington FC championship game. The Eagles looked like tcu, unc. Like, it just. The Eagles to me are the best bet to win their division. Do you guys have any wild cards in this division? I do not. I didn't have the Cowboys in the playoffs with Michael Parsons. Certainly don't have them there now.

[C]

It's just the commanders.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

You have the commanders making the playoffs?

[B]

I do. I have them as the seven seed. I think I'm now zagging on this. On the zag where I originally was like, this team's going to regress. It was kind of a. You know, they had an easy schedule last year. A lot of things broke their way. But now I'm like, you know what? Jaden Daniels is fucking awesome. And when you're. When. When you're not in season, I think you forgot. We forget that a little bit and you start to talk about all the other things, and then week one's going to roll around. I'm going to watch Jaden Daniels play, and I'm going to say, this guy is good for 10 wins every year.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's the only argument, right, dk? It's Just Jaden Daniels is good.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I mean we saw what he did to elevate a. I mean honestly, their roster wasn't that good last year. Right. Like, you know, and they did a lot of things in the off season to plug the holes because like you said, hyphens, they kind of did this thing where they would hire or they hired a bunch of guys on one year contracts and trying. Yeah. Mercenaries. And I think that they're ahead in terms of their rebuild schedule and in terms of where they probably expected they'd be. But I do think that, you know, Jaden Daniels is just a. He's just a program elevator and.

[A]

Incredible song. Our favorite.

[C]

Gonna be good.

[B]

Yeah. So sneaking in as a seven seed also. I think, you know their division. I think they can beat the Cowboys and the Giants. They could probably go 40 against those teams.

[A]

It's a little right uncalled for the Giants.

[C]

I'm surprised you didn't have. I'm surprised we have the Giants as a wild card.

[B]

I will when we. So today we're recording on Tuesday the second we're going to do our preview in a couple days and we're going to, you know, unveil this Ringer 107 thing where we're going to have to pick a bunch of bets against the spread. This, this podcast. We're going to compete against all the other football podcasts at the network including Bill. I do think the Giants week one. I'm interested.

[A]

Yes. Because they're going to win the game. They're going to win the week game in week one. Watch.

[B]

Let's all just take only our Seahawks, Steelers and Giants.

[A]

Yeah. So those who don't know we're gonna our the ringer fantasy football show. We're gonna compete against the rear gambling show. We're gonna compete against Bill Simmons pod. We're gonna compete against the ring NFL show. All the pods are going to compete. It's called Ringer 107 because it'd be 107 games. It's five a week for the regular season which is 18, that's 90. And then if you take all the playoffs plus each, plus one special one for each round, it adds up to 107. And we are fanduel actually put out odds on which pod will win and we are like dead last.

[B]

Well, Bill made. Bill made that up.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Those aren't great. But Bill put us in dead last. We were 6 to 1 to win.

[C]

The disrespect is well noted and will.

[A]

Not think he ranked us Last because I'm gullible enough that when he said fanduel made these odds, I believed him.

[B]

Probably we have worse odds than the Colts to win the afc.

[A]

That's horrific.

[C]

Craig, question. What do you think the odds are that our three teams would be some of the most disrespected and slept on teams in the NFL this year? Just weird. What a weird coincidence.

[A]

Emails at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if you know what the reward should be of the pods that win.

[B]

We can't figure out. I think it should get a. We should get a free trip to Vegas.

[A]

I think free trip to Vegas is pretty good. I could. Yeah, free trip to Vegas.

[C]

Also a tremendous looking trophy.

[A]

Yeah, we want. Yeah. Or a Giant trophy. No, I'd rather the trip to Vegas.

[C]

You guys totally forgotten. I had forgotten about that enormous trophy that we gave that guy when he won the fanduel contest. It was like 12ft tall.

[A]

So many divisions left.

[C]

They had to put it on a pallet.

[B]

Do you think he still has it?

[A]

They had to deliver it on a pallet.

[B]

He's gonna throw it away.

[A]

Junk. And they'll lug it. I don't know. Okay, wait. We gotta keep rolling here. Number two, two minutes on the clock. Kai. NFC West. Tiki, who do you have winning the NFC West?

[C]

I have the Rams winning.

[A]

You're such a coward. I picked your Seahawks and you didn't pick them.

[C]

I thought about them. Thought about it.

[A]

I did it. Craig.

[B]

Niners.

[A]

I'm shocked. We have three different teams as a wild card.

[C]

Heifetz.

[A]

Yeah, I have. So I have three teams from the NFC West. I have Seahawks winning the division. I have the Niners as a while. I think the Niners are the popular team to pick to win and the Cardinals. And I'm not gonna lie. I jumped apart. I jumped ship. Call me a coward if you want. I jumped shit. But I decided that I just can't. Like, if I'm wrong and Matthew Stafford stays healthy this year, that's cool. I can live with that. That's awesome. Like that's good for football. If Matthew Stafford gets hurt and Jimmy Garoppolo. Sean McVeigh gets him in the playoffs anyway. Cool. That's. He's amazing. But I'm kind of just not. This seems the NFC west is the easiest schedule to me and I just, I, I, I don't know. I can't handle this Ram Stafford back thing for the entire season. It just feels such, such a stay away. And I just believe actually the Seahawks defense is going to be, like, elite, and I just believe the offensive line is going to get better. And I just think the Seahawks are gonna. I think the Seahawks and Niners are solid picks, but I'm out on the Rams. I don't know, Craig. You're making a face.

[B]

No, no, I. I didn't have the Rams making the playoffs either. I have the Niners. I have the Niners at the 2 seed in the playoffs, in the NFC. I have them winning the NFC west, and I have the Seahawks as the wild card five seed. I just. I like the Rams when they're healthy. I don't trust that they're going to make it 17 games. I'm basically betting against that. And I think Robert Sall on the Niners defense is going to be a lot better. I think Mike McDonald's defense in Seattle is going to be, like, top five. And it's a tough division. I don't know. I think these are all going to be close, but I had to pick somebody to fall out.

[A]

Niners have the easiest schedule in the NFL, so. TK why are you the coward, not picking your Seahawks?

[C]

I don't know. I didn't want to sound like an asshole, mostly.

[A]

No, I guess I do think you're gonna be good. I've come around. I'm the idiot who thinks Sam Darnold's gonna be solid.

[C]

If you want a glimpse into my process, I literally wrote down the Seahawks. Sorry. I wrote down the Seahawks, and then I was like, ah. And I. And I erased it, and I put the Rams. And then I put the Seahawks as a wild card. But I am starting to believe I'm stupidly beginning to allow myself to hope that the Seahawks are going to be actually pretty good. So. Yeah.

[A]

All right. NFC north, two minutes on the clock. I waffled and waffled, and I decided I'm just going to have the Lions win the division, and I'm putting the packers in the wild card, and that's it. What about you, dk I chose the.

[C]

Packers to win the division, and then I have the Vikings as a wild card team.

[A]

You Lions out of the playoffs?

[C]

Yeah. Not that I feel. Not that I want them to be.

[B]

Course I did the same thing. H. Said Lions winning the division. They're my three seed, and I have the packers as the wild card, six seed. I think the division will be messy. I don't think the Lions are going to win 14, 15 games or anything like that, but I. I do think they're going to. They're going to be like, 12 and 5 and the packers are going to be like 11 and 6 is probably my guess, but.

[A]

Dicky. So you really believe in the Lions combo of the GM really shooting their shot in their drafts and the drafts kind of coming home to roost and missing players and then also just losing six coaches and everything?

[C]

Yeah, I'm mostly just worried about this Ben Johnson thing.

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

Maybe. Look. Maybe Jared Goff will come out and look as sharp as he always has.

[B]

John Morton years. Yeah, John Morton, the guy who built Bo Nix last year.

[A]

Built by.

[C]

I just have a little bit of doubt that that's going to be a thing. Plus, I think this is a. This is more of like a gut thing, but getting so far and then falling short. You know, like they did last year where they lost to the Commanders and we were blown out and it was just like a huge disappointment. And we've heard Dan Campbell talk about this before. It's like, it's really hard to get back there. It's like this is a mental hurdle that you have to make. And I'm just looking at that division. The packers got a lot better over this off season. Jordan Love would be healthy, hopefully, and they're going to be really good. And then I think the Vikings will be really good as well. It's just a really hard division, and I kind of had to just drop somebody out. I do think the Lions will still be competitive, of course, but, yeah, that. That was kind of my logic.

[B]

I think the Lions just still have, like, one of the best five rosters in the NFL.

[A]

Yeah, there's so much talent. It was hard for me to drop them. The Vikings was easier. Just the basic. The plexiglass thing. It's like they won however many games and they shoot up to 14. And now we're just assuming McCarthy can do it. I also think the defense. Brian. So much of the Vikings are depending on Brian Flores getting this crazy amount of pressure. And if they have any. If teams develop any answers to what Brian Flores is doing, the secondary is awful.

[B]

Pressure.

[A]

Pressure.

[B]

Brian Flores has a unique ability to dialing up pressure. KB we're back.

[A]

We are so now we're back. Now the season started. Feels good.

[B]

I can't wait. Did you guys see that? Brady said that Rogers is the best pure thrower of the football ever.

[C]

I did not see that.

[A]

That's. I didn't see that, but I don't disagree.

[B]

Yeah, he was like, from getting it A to B, Accuracy, velocity, pure arm talent. Rogers is the best ever.

[A]

Why is br. This is the Answer. I still want to know why is Brady really good talking about football in every possible context except when he's paid to do it?

[B]

He's trying to, which is so funny because literally, like the lights are too bright for him in the broadcast booth. Incredible. The opposite of how he is actually.

[A]

Playing football every other time Tom Brady talks about football security. Incredible.

[C]

He can't. I honestly, like, I genuinely believe this. He cares too much. He needs to lighten up.

[A]

Like, just, just.

[C]

It doesn't matter that much, man. Just go out there and talk about football.

[B]

Stadium pulse.

[A]

Stadium pulse. We're gonna have to do that. The stadium pulse of the week. We're gonna have to have that for the Sundays. Okay, next up, two minutes on the clock. NFC south, maybe we only need one minute for this. I'm picking the Bucks. No other teams do we. I, we even need two minutes for this. Do you guys have the Buccaneers?

[C]

I picked, I picked the Buccaneers as well. I did too.

[B]

I, I tried with Atlanta, the right tackle going down. I'm just still like, I, I. Even if they make, I don't. I think the Bucks are again, a pretty good roster through and through. They're returning all 11 starters on offense. Like, I just think they're, they're, they're a good team. There's, I think the floor is high for the Bucks.

[A]

The Falcons are a franchise where I've just decided, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going to let them beat me, you know, make them make a putt and, you know, and the Buccaneers have more or less completely surpassed expectations for six straight seasons.

[B]

Totally.

[C]

So the Buccaneers are like sneaky. One of the top organizations right now.

[A]

The Buccaneers, if they still made the.

[B]

Point that they're like in the contention for best team of the2020s.

[A]

Do you know how much we'd be freaking out of the Buccaneers were in New York like the guys like Levante David. I'm just going to take a moment. Top of the Buccaneers, like Levante David, middle linebacker for the Buccaneers. If he was on the jets, he'd be like a Hall of Famer just from the fame. The name value. Levante David is about to have one of the best career. It's like one of these last great middle linebackers that we've had and just no one knows who he is or his name or anything. No one knows one of the all.

[C]

Time feel players where he's just so instinctive, incredibly instinctive and just knows where the ball is going on every snap almost.

[A]

Yeah, he's Amazing Vida Vea, Mike Evans, all these guys should be like so much more famous than they are. Mike Evans had seven straight thousand yard.

[B]

Seasons before we kind of even the Bucks, man. The Bucs lost by three in the playoffs last year to Washington the year before that. They kicked the shit out of the Eagles in round one and then and then lost a close game to the Lions who were really good in round.

[A]

Two and they kicked the shit out of the Eagles in 2022 or whatever. The first year Hertz was playing like the Bucs have just been awesome. Yeah.

[C]

So they draft really well. They have two really good lines. Like they're incredible in the trenches. Of course it hurts that they lost worse.

[B]

But receivers, they got a good running back. I mean they have a lot.

[C]

And they also did this thing where they went from quarterback to quarterback and they still maintained like competitiveness and they were still really good. Like they like Tom Brady came and went and then they just replaced him and they're still really good. They replaced him with a Panthers practice squad type player in Baker Mayfield.

[A]

Panthers practice squad safety Baker Mayfield.

[C]

He was playing scout team. Incredible, incredible story.

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[C]

A traitor for being too loyal?

[A]

No, I just feel like, I don't know, it's like, you work for Bill Simmons, you put the Patriots in the playoffs. But I'm like, you know what? I just, I Believe in Mike Rabel so much. I hate to say it because they're probably gonna suck, but he's a floor raiser to me. The Bills and the Eagles are the easiest two ones. That right, Craig like to just slot in as the division winner?

[B]

Yeah. To be honest, I even think Baltimore. But yeah, I. I have the Bills as well. Same AFC East.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't have the Patriots in though. This is the only. Bills are the only team from the AFC east that I have in the playoffs.

[C]

I toyed with putting the Dolphins in there just to trigger you guys.

[A]

I. Yeah.

[B]

Wouldn't trigger me.

[C]

But Craig, you're kind of in on this now too.

[B]

Is into Miami, right?

[A]

Cody Alexander show match quarters. It's an incredible substack. I highly recommend it. He's. He's like a defensive guru and I just couldn't recommend his knowledge. And when he puts out there higher, but he put the Dolphins offense really well. It's just the most fragile possible thing because the whole. They can't block. So the whole thing depends on TUA making the quickest possible decision to get the ball out in two seconds. So that Tyreek and Waddle being the fastest possible players to get to the concepts quicker. And if either of those guys aren't the fastest people in the world or two is, the TUA either is not the fastest decision maker in the world or he's hurt or the quarterback behind him is not doing that. If any part of that chain breaks, the nothing works. Because if the receivers aren't the fastest people in the world or the quarterback's not the fastest Steve Nash point guard, or if they. You know what I mean, then suddenly they can't run, they can't pass, and it's just like.

[C]

Not Symphony.

[A]

Yeah. There's no slack in the line. Like, there's just. No. It's just the most fragile build ever for a team. And I'm like, there's a reason this team hasn't actually made it 19 weeks past wild card round. So I'm out on the Dolphins and the Jets. I'm like another. They're like the Falcons. I'm like, you know what? Yeah. Make them make a putt. I'm not.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

AFC West. If I wasn't a coward, I would have picked the Broncos over the Chiefs. But I am. The Chiefs, I think, are going for their ninth or tenth straight division title ever. Ninth, like ninth in a row for the AFC West. So I just kind of was like, don't be an idiot. And not, you know, at some point it's like annoying when you just kind of do that to change it. So I do we all have the Chiefs here. Yeah.

[C]

How many games did Chiefs win last year?

[A]

15. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. And I think they got better.

[B]

They were like 10, 0. In one score games.

[A]

The Chiefs won six games.

[B]

I know, I know. I'm like, I actually there's a point in which the argument for regression disappears when it's like they won ten one score games. I think that just means they're awesome in one score games. Like, I don't think that's a coin flip.

[A]

That is actually the original point of the underlying math is that like the extremes matter. Brady is gonna win two thirds of the game. And I think, I think, you know, the record they have is crazy. I think, I think there was like, they were, the Chiefs were like 17 and 2 in their last 19 one score games. That's too much. But at some point they are going to win like 7 out of 10 just because they're that good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, it was easy. I put the Broncos in and I kept the Chargers and Raiders out. I would be cool. I think the coolest story would be the Raiders making the playoffs.

[B]

I threw them in.

[A]

Did you?

[C]

The Raiders?

[B]

Yeah, I did. I have the Broncos as a six seed and the seven seed I have is Vegas.

[C]

That's just fun.

[A]

I can't.

[C]

I put the Broncos and Chargers in.

[A]

You put the Broncos, the Chargers in?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of Herbert or something else?

[C]

Yeah, because of Herbert.

[B]

Do you feel like they're going to like the offense?

[C]

I mean, and Harbaugh?

[B]

What do you feel like the offense is actually going to take a leap even though it's kind of the same.

[A]

Situation heading into this year minus Rashawn Slater?

[C]

Well, it does hurt. Like if you look at the splits when Rashawn's in and out, that is, that's obviously not good. Like he's much, the offense is much, much better when Rashawn Slater is at in the lineup. But you know, they got another year. Lama Conkey, you still have Justin Herbert. You add Amarin Hampton. You had like maybe some depth players come out. Keenan Allen is back. I do think this offense can get better overall even though that, that injury sucks.

[A]

So to be clear before we move on, do you guys have the Broncos out or do you have three teams in the AFC West?

[C]

I have three in three.

[A]

Wow. Okay, cool.

[C]

I have the Broncos and Chargers making it.

[A]

Yeah, I, I, it was hard, it.

[C]

Was hard to do these picks, honestly, I think.

[B]

Well, yeah, well, if they look too clean.

[A]

It's, like, annoying because the playoffs never look clean. Every year you look at the playoffs, you're like a team that made it. You're kind of like, how'd they make it?

[B]

I think the Raiders. I mean, the defense, there's a lot of question marks, but I don't know. I. I kind of just like every single thing they did. Like, I. I think Pete Carroll is the ultimate floor raiser. Chip Kelly, Gino, you know, adding Ashton Genty, they're indoors. Gino's awesome in the dome. I just kind of think this team is going to be in the mix, and if a couple things go their way, I think they could win.

[A]

Like, I can't wait for a month in we're going to realize Chip Kelly and Bill Belichick should just switch jobs. Like, Chip Kelly should just run unc. And Bill Belichick should be the defensive coordinator for the Raiders for Pete Carroll.

[C]

God, Pete and Bill. That'd be so weird.

[A]

Go out the way. I mean, he's the only one older than him. Okay. AFC North.

[B]

Pete looks like he's 60.

[C]

Pete, did you see him in the white starter, like, Raider starter jacket? Yeah, I almost bought one of those.

[A]

That guy's winning forever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Raiders being good again, it's awesome. The number. Well, we needed to happen, but it would be. I mean, the Raiders haven't been good in our life, basically. We really need. I mean. I mean, what they were in the Super Bowl 25 years ago. Like, it'd be nice if I just.

[B]

Honestly, I wish they weren't in Vegas. Like, it doesn't feel as good, you know, it's weird.

[A]

It's weird. It is weird there in Vegas.

[B]

Like, I. Like, if you don't think about it, you're like, Raiders. The. The silver and black. Like, Pete Carroll makes sense. Like, this is awesome. And then I'm like, God, they're in Las Vegas. It is down the street from the sphere. Go back to Oakland.

[A]

It is strange.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Sorry. The. Yeah, sorry. Vegas is taking your teams. Oakland. Yeah. Okay. AFC North. I assume we all put the Ravens, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Nothing to discuss.

[B]

They're my one seed.

[A]

Yeah. Wild cards. Did we do we put the Bengals in dk?

[C]

Bengals are in.

[B]

You didn't even.

[C]

Offense matters.

[A]

What are the teams?

[C]

The Browns. Both of them are out.

[B]

I put the Steelers as a five seed.

[C]

Five being slept on.

[B]

Yeah, the Steelers.

[A]

You think it's going to work? Just say it. Just say it like it's the eve of the season. Just say you Think Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers is going to work?

[B]

I do. They won 10 games with Kenny Pickett. I think they can win 11 with Aaron Rodgers. I don't think that's crazy. I think the roster is better this year than the last two years.

[A]

When he puts.

[C]

I actually don't think this is that wild of a take. I just.

[B]

Of course it's not swung too far. They win nine or ten games every year. Rogers is better than the last three quarterbacks they've had. And the roster is really good right now.

[A]

Yeah, it's. Honestly, if I'm being honest, I probably should have gave this Patriot spot to the Steelers. The funny part is I didn't want to because I, I was trying to find new teams and the Steelers made the playoffs last year, which is so funny. Which, you know what I mean? You do the exercise. But the Steelers are almost like the opposite where keeping them in is almost the bold prediction. You know what I mean? It's like cheating. But you're right, because I still think my whole thing with the Steelers this year is they're going to just be a slightly better version of the Roethlisberger offenses that were awful. Those teams still made the playoffs. Like Rothberger in his old ass age still made a couple playoff seasons. So, yeah, I don't think it's crazy that they win down in 10 games. I just think it's going to be.

[B]

I can't say bizarre to watch. They went 10, seven last year after they lost five straight games and still went 10 and seven.

[A]

They went 10 and seven the year before.

[C]

They lost all the good teams.

[B]

Okay, but like shitty Russell Wilson two years ago they had Kenny Pickett, Mason, Rudolph, 10 and 7. I don't know.

[A]

And to be clear, I, I was. I think I become such a Rogers hater on the show that it's forgotten. Like, I was. I thought the Rogers jets thing was going to work before the Achilles injury. I also think Rogers will be better than he was last year. Like, I think the two seasons removed from the Achilles injury matters.

[B]

Yes. I don't think people are discussing. Everyone's like, he's old and washed.

[A]

It's like you guys have never been 36.

[B]

He was 40 years old coming off a torn Achilles and he played 17 games and he threw for 28 touchdowns. I don't care if you call that a fake number. I think that that's a feat in and of itself that he was able to get through the season, not be horrific. Throw 28 touchdowns, 11 pick. Like, I, I just Think that is an accomplishment. Kirk Cousins got benched after an Achilles tear when he was 36. Like it. It was impressive that he just got through the season and now he's a year after that.

[A]

He said that three times this month. Deacon, does that sound how it sounds to him to you? When he's like, Kirk Cousins who's bench drifted achilles there at 36. I'm like, that makes me feel worse, not better.

[B]

No, but it's showing how difficult it is to come back. And Rogers got through it. And Rogers is obviously a better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. Like, if anyone's going to be an outlier, it's the guy, Tom Brady. Just as the best thrower of the football ever.

[A]

TK do you feel.

[C]

I don't know how the fucking feel at this point. I think my, my concern is, yes, he is further along past the injury, but his age is going to nullify that, and he just may never get back to anything remote.

[B]

You know what? It is close. Everyone's afraid because it's. It's easier to. To. To hop off the train, say they're going to suck. And then when they do, they can be like, obviously it's a worse look. If you bet on the Steelers and they suck, you look like an idiot. So now nobody wants.

[A]

I agree. I think I, I. No, I agree. And I actually kind of regret having the Patriots here instead of the Steelers because the competency can't be overrated. I really do think the Steelers season, if I had to pick an outcome, is what was the year you got rocked by the Browns and Kevin Stinski wasn't there? Not 20, 21, 97 and 1. Yeah. Call it 10. Yeah. 10 and 7 and you loosen the wild card round. That sounds perfect again.

[B]

They do that every year. I don't know why this year's any different.

[A]

Honestly. That's the best take of all, is Rogers is going to just put him on the factory line. Like, it's actually not that different at all. He's going to say some weird.

[B]

I just like you think. Dk, do you think that this quarterback situation with Pittsburgh with Rogers is worse than the Fields rust combo, the Kenny Pickett Mason Rudolph combo? Do you think it's the worst of those three?

[C]

I don't. I think it's. I've argued that it's not. It's maybe a wash between the fields. Russ one from last year, but we'll see.

[A]

It's just. It's not worse. I mean, I think it's better. It's just completely incongruent. With what Arthur Smith wants to run. But I also don't care because I just do. Is Arthur Smith retiring next year? No. Is Aaron Rodgers? Yeah. So they're going to do what the fuck he wants. Like, Arthur Smith doesn't play quarterback. Like, they're going to do what the fuck Aaron Rodgers wants. And Arthur Smith can be mad about it.

[C]

Do you think? This is another thing that I've kind of noticed that I think is funny is. And this happens with a lot of players as they get older, it's like the more they switch uniforms, like, the more. More often we see someone in a new uniform. Like, it ages you. Like, he looks so old now in a Steelers uniform. He looked so old in that jets uniform last year.

[B]

It's like when Shaq was on the Heat and then. And yeah, you know, it's like.

[C]

It's just like, I don't know, like Gary Payton when he played for the Lakers.

[A]

I'm like, fantasy football at Gmail. That's a great one. All time greats in, like, weird.

[B]

Dude. Shaq. Shaq on the Heat, Suns, Cavs and Celtics. Shaq finished his career on the Celtics.

[A]

Celtics, Celtic. Shaq was bad. He was in the park pretending to be a statue.

[C]

Like, you're going. It's like you're dressing up on Halloween or something.

[B]

Yeah, I guess he. I mean, he won a ring in Miami, but dude, Cavaliers, Celtics, The Sha.

[A]

The Celtics ones. Okay, next up here, two minutes on the clock. AFC South. This one also is like, I don't know. Did we all pick the Texans to win the division? Did anyone?

[C]

I picked the Jags.

[A]

Did you really?

[C]

I. I don't feel very good about this, to be totally honest.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I felt like I was a little. I was going a little bit too chalk. I went with Bills, Ravens, and Chiefs.

[A]

Weird, because you either.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are a hot. I mean, you're putting Bills or Ravens not there. Feels like you don't believe it.

[C]

I think I really like the Texans defensively. I think they're going to be really good. I love C.J. stroud. I still think they're putting an awful lot of stress on Stroud by, like, remaking this offensive line in the off season. And it's going to be totally different. New offensive coordinator. I think there's a lot of moving parts here.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I mean, I still think. I still think there'll be a competitive team, but I just want. This one was more just like, something's got to give. There's got to be some new teams going In I, I really like Liam Cohen and I think that he could change the way that, like, we view the Jaguar.

[A]

So a lot of moving parts is an excellent way to describe the Texans. Yeah. Because let's just say I'm not, I don't wish this on anyone. Let's just say for a second Nico Collins pulls a hamstring and is out of my.

[B]

Oh, come on.

[A]

I'm just saying. Well, he literally did it last year, so I felt like it wasn't like cursing him. I just literally missed a month with an Eagle. Collins. A month. I'm just saying if he does. Let's just say he does. Now we're like, wait a second. CG Stroud has completely new players at running back. Like, like it's Nick Chubb, Damien Pearson, Woody Marks at running back with Christian Kirk who was flipped for like a six round swap, and then two rookies at receiver with a new left tackle, a new left guard. And you're like, wait a second. There's like two remaining players from this year's team on last year's team.

[C]

Nick Kaylee.

[A]

Nick Kaylee at office, according to. You're like, holy. If like Nico Collins almost hides how few of these people were on the team last year. Yeah, a lot of moving parts.

[C]

Defense is good.

[A]

Defense is awesome. And it's honestly the reason I, I couldn't get past the Texans. D line's awesome. Secondary is awesome. Do you know how many teams can say that too? It's the Texans and the Broncos. They're like literally great secondary, great D line, just not a thing.

[C]

I mean, it's Seahawks. They will probably. The Texans.

[A]

Sorry, Seahawks. Sorry, sorry. Seahawks, Eagles.

[B]

What about Philly?

[A]

No, no, you're right. Sorry. Afc, Texans and the Broncos. Nfc, Eagles, Seahawks. I do think that's kind of the list though. Most teams, there's not many good secondaries. And the Eagles fans I think would say the secondary is the part of their team that scares them the most. They're still better than most because they have Quinn Mitchell and dejean, but not many good secondaries. And very few have good D lines too. FanDuel has a fun promotion for NFL Kickoff in each of the Week 1 primetime games. Here's how it works. Opt in and place an anytime touchdown bet on any week one NFL primetime game using your profit boost. If the players you pick scores either the first or the last touchdown of the game, you'll earn a share of $2 million in bonus bets. That's $1 million split among first touchdown winners and $1 million split among last touchdown winners. So, Cowboys, Eagles, first game of the season, Thursday night. I don't know if you guys know this, but there's this guy named Jalen Hurts who they, they, they shove him in the butt into the end zone. And they do this so much that they actually want to change the rules of the NFL. Dk, I, I, I. How do you feel about my cutting edge analysis that Jalen hurts is a good bet here?

[C]

I mean, that feels smart. Yes. I think they're going to do what they call the brotherly shove. Push him into the end zone. No one can stop it. They tried to make it illegal. It's a whole thing.

[A]

They failed to make it illegal.

[C]

They failed. What if. What if. Hear me out. What if maybe it was Saquon Barkley that they handed off to, though?

[A]

Wow, it's quite good.

[B]

Can I make a bet for the last touchdown of the game, please? I'd like to nominate my, my fellow teammate, George Pickens.

[C]

Pickens.

[A]

I love that when it's 40 to nothing. Eagles, and then George Pickens gets a garbage ball.

[B]

Cowboys are down 17. There's two minutes left. An easy pick and fade into the end zone. Touchdown. Doesn't matter. Garbage time. Easy money.

[C]

Busted coverage.

[A]

I'm gonna go Saquon, because after that, Saquon's gonna then just run back into the end zone with a minute left.

[C]

Just like a 55 yard touchdown.

[A]

Yeah. So there you go. There's their cutting edge analysis. Saquon, Barkley, Jalen hurts to score. Although Craig's probably right, Pickens will probably be the last one. Okay, go ahead and place an anytime touchdown bet on FanDuel for the game and you get to cheer for the first and last touchdown to win a share of $2 million in bonus bets each. So with all that said, just to recap, do we want to go through all our picks here or are we just going to list a bunch of teams and no one could follow it anyway?

[C]

Probably that probably don't want to listen.

[B]

How about this? Can we just each read our wild cards? Who are your wild cards for the afc?

[A]

So my wild cards are Niners, Cardinals, and Packers.

[C]

Mine are the commanders. Vikings, Seahawks.

[B]

And then mine are Seahawks, packers commanders.

[A]

Okay, so who do you guys have winning the nfc?

[C]

I went with Packers.

[B]

I went with the Eagles of Philadelphia.

[A]

I went with the Eagles too. I kind of just. I really think the Eagles are the Legion of Boom over again. The defense isn't as good, but the offense is better. Like, I just, I just can't get over the amount of. The amount of players that are on the Eagles that other teams wish they could have. This preposterous.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. AFC wild Cards, go.

[C]

I had the Bengals, Broncos and Chargers.

[B]

Bengals and Chargers.

[A]

Okay, Bengals, Broncos, Patriots. And I feel terrible about the Patriots.

[B]

I went Steelers, Broncos, Raiders. Who do you guys have coming out of the AFC? Bills.

[A]

So I have the Bills as the 1 seed, but I think the Ravens will make the super bowl. And I have. What do you have?

[B]

I have the Eagles. Ravens in the Super Bowl.

[A]

I have Eagles over Ravens. What do you have?

[B]

I have Ravens over Eagles.

[A]

Oh, dk.

[C]

I have Bills over Packers. I. So here's the deal. If we go. I would like to actually go back and look at this, because I think, like, 75% of the seasons I've been employed by the ringer. I've picked the Ravens to win the super bowl, and they have not done it. So that's kind of.

[B]

So now you're going with the Bills.

[C]

So now I'm going with the other team that lets you down every year in the Bills because I just feel like I need to switch it to a different team that lets.

[B]

You know.

[A]

It's so funny. No one's gonna pick the Chiefs to win the super bowl this year, which is.

[B]

So I was really close to doing Eagles. Chiefs again.

[C]

God, that would be boring.

[A]

The funniest thing ever. Do it again. It's just like Warriors, Cavs were just cursed every year to get this blowout.

[B]

I have the Ravens beating the Chiefs in the AFC Champions.

[A]

I think so. I, I think so, too. I, I, I kind of. Ultimately, this kind of bleeds a little bit in mvp, but I. It's the same logic where I, I have Josh Allen for mvp. We don't have to do that right now. But the point being, I do, too. When the schedule came out again, you.

[B]

Have back to back Josh Allen mvp.

[A]

I do. For the simple reason that I just. It's. It's this simple to me. You guys know I have a boring take on mvp, which is. It's a team award, very thinly disguised as a. As a player award. And when the schedule came out, the Bills were favored in every game. When they actually set the lines in in May, and that, like, basically everything never happened. The Bills were favored in, like, every single of the games. So I kind of just think the Bills have a regular season schedule soft enough that I actually do think the Bills could win 14 or 15 games this year. And so I think if. If the Bills win 14 games, like, Josh Allen will win MVP because it's to me, similar as last year. His top receivers are like, Khalil Shishkir with a high ankle sprain. And then, like, there's no good receivers in the team, so he gets the award. Well, but I think the Ravens are a better team, and I think they have more depth everywhere. And it's kind of. That's kind of that simple to me.

[C]

I know. This is the. The funny thing, I was just thinking, this is all this exercise that we're doing, and we do this every year. It just comes down like, who gets hurt.

[A]

Yeah. Really, though.

[C]

It's like, okay, this is one of.

[A]

The concerned for Buffalo. I'm concerned for Buffalo because their top cornerback is. Christian Bedford is awesome. I don't. I want to do the whole thing. But the point being, they're counting on Trudevius White to play for them, who had an ACL and Achilles combo, like, two years ago. They're counting on Maxwell. Harrison's a rookie who's already hurt. Taryn Johnson got hurt in the first preseason game. I'm just like, I'm a little worried. But anyway, I totally agree, T.K. it's like there's 10 teams actually trying to win the Super bowl, and six get hurt, and then the whole thing comes down to the other three or four. It's got it. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, the real take is like, does anybody have a team outside of Baltimore, Buffalo, and Kansas City in the afc? Like, if you. I feel like those three is just whack a mole one, picking one of those three to make the Super Bowl. I don't. So if you want to go to take, it's like. But it's like, if you have anybody outside of that, that's the real.

[A]

There's a pick and then there's a bet. I. We were. I was joking. It's like shot in a beer where they're like, pick is like, what do I want written down next to my name a year from now? And that looks stupid, but if you're talking about the bet the Ravens, are they a good bet at 7 to 1? Absolutely not. Or the Eagles a good bet at 7 to 1? I mean, not weirdly, probably. Yeah. But like, if. If you're asking me which team is probably going to deliver the best ROI on a Super bowl appearance, I still. We talked about this a month ago. It hasn't moved. I think The Buccaneers at 27 to 1 just for the chance of being the second best team in the NFC is not nothing. Because if The Eagles don't make it back. Who the fuck in the NFC is going to make it back? And like, the. Everyone's like, oh, the Packers. I'm like, all right. No one thought that a week ago. So I'm kind of like, I don't know. I think the Buccaneers are solid. I also do think. You know what else team is intriguing to me is The Seahawks are 70 to 1 to win the super bowl. And I if. What if they just have a top three defense? That's interesting to me. Yeah, but the AFC. Craig, your point is right. I don't know. The AFC is harder. It's like the Broncos are 27 to 1. Is that the worst team you could see win in the Super Bowl?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's the Texans or the Broncos, probably. I still think my NFC team now, I'm like, zagging on the spot. I didn't even feel this way now hour ago, but, like, Washington was, like, kind of close to making the Super Bowl. I don't know.

[A]

They were. They were very. They were literally in the championship game.

[B]

Everyone's just, like, out on them. And I'm like, if Jaden is the top five quarterback in the league, they're 20 to 1 to win the Super Bowl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

No, you're right. It's just the Washington thing. It's so annoying to say, but it's just. It. We were just. It depends on health. They're the oldest team in the NFL. Bobby Wagner's 36, and if he gets hurt, the defense is like. You know what I mean? It's just that. All across the board.

[B]

Yeah, no, I get it.

[A]

And if it's.

[C]

The Seahawks have the same odds to win the Super bowl on FanDuel as the Jags.

[A]

Doesn't that just sound ridiculous? Come on. In an easier conference, like, that's. How is that pot?

[C]

I'm gonna bet that just out of principle.

[A]

How is that possible? Like, the NFC is like the path to Jags. If the Eagles are the best team, the nfc, the path to being the second best team, the NFC is like, so much easier. What is the Jaguars path to being the second best team in the AFC that doesn't involve, like, serious injuries?

[C]

The Seahawks won 10 games last year.

[A]

The Seahawks lost. They're a type. You see what I'm saying, where I'm like, the Seahawks are clearly the best bet on the board. It's up now.

[B]

I'm mad. There are certain teams where I feel like, if they make the playoffs, I will. Then I will then bet on them differently than if they were a regular season team. Like, I feel that way about the Texans and the Commanders. I don't know if this makes sense, but, like, if the Commanders can get to the play, like, I don't know if they can get to the playoffs, but if they do, I will bet them to go far in the playoffs.

[A]

It's like March Madness. Like a horseshoe.

[B]

Texans, for some reason, like, to me, the Texans, whenever they're in the play. The last two seasons with Stroud, the Texans have been a hard out in the playoffs.

[A]

It's because the defense is awesome and Washington Daniel's the truth.

[B]

And I trust Stroud. Like, they almost beat the Chiefs last year. And so I'm like, if the Texans can just get to the playoffs and if the Commanders can just get to the playoffs, I will then feel much more confident back betting on them in those games compared to, like, me, betting generally that they'll make the playoffs, if that makes sense.

[A]

I think this is the right conversation because I think there's two schools of people. There are people who basically think the Bills and Ravens will get it done one day, and people who are like, nope, Lamar and Josh, like, they're not going to get it done. And I, I, I thought a thing that happened recently in golf is Xander Shoffley, who was the, you know, every sport has their, like, always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

[B]

Like, every sport has their guy that, like, sdsu, Aztec.

[A]

There you go. And like, every sport has that guy who's just kind of like, hasn't won a major yet or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Shoffley basically kept coming in second. And they asked him if he was going to change anything, and he said, why would I change anything? This is the best I've ever done. Like, literally, like, my process has led me to coming in second place, like, seven times. I had never done that before, so why would I change anything? And eventually won two majors in the same year. Yeah. And I feel that way about the Bronco. Sorry. About the Bills and the Ravens, where people are like, josh can't get it done. Lamar, can't get it done. I'm like, just fucking wait a second.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you know what I mean? Took John Elway forever to win. It took Peyton Manning. Like, it takes time. It takes the right season. It takes luck. And they haven't necessarily had the luck in the time.

[C]

And so only one team wins every year, guys.

[A]

Yeah. However, I think what I'm saying is horseshit. I think you should bet on the Texans or at 25 to one of the Broncos at 27 to one. Right. Because it's one or the other. If you don't, if you, if you don't think that holds water and you're like, yeah, the Lamar can't get it done. Josh can't get it done. There's incredible odds to be had in the AFC. That's all I'm trying to say.

[B]

DK your Saints are dead last at 400 to 1.

[A]

My Saints, dude, I didn't know super bowl odds went to 401.

[C]

I would not bet that. For the record, I would not bet that.

[B]

You wouldn't bet that?

[A]

No. Did I say they're going to be all. Okay, wait, I told you this. I don't think you believe me. I told you guys that I bet on the Giants in February to win the Super Bowl. To win the Super Bowl. They were, they were 450 to 1. And I didn't know the odds went that high until this year. And I remember thinking, if you play the season 450 times, you don't think the Giants could win a Super Bowl.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

I guess they could.

[A]

I just. That makes me so.

[C]

I don't really know how that works.

[A]

I mean, I guess not.

[C]

But still, playing the season 450 times.

[B]

Yeah, sure they could.

[A]

It makes me upset. Anyway, let me look.

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I found one instance where they could do it.

[B]

Let me run my permutations.

[C]

Yeah. Do the doctor Strange thing.

[A]

Yeah. So I've never seen those movies. All right. T.K. are you actually. You. So you actually think the Packers.

[C]

Isn't it in the event like the infinity. Whatever the adventures.

[B]

He, he, he does like a little hand twirl.

[A]

Yeah. It's like the 15 million to one and he's like does the one and.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What.

[C]

What was the question?

[A]

I just like when they call him the Wizard Packers. Are you prisoner of the moment with Michael Parsons? Are you saying that.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

The packers are going to be awesome with him or the Eagles fall off or both. Like why?

[C]

I already thought the packers were a pretty good team. Very complete team on both sides of the ball. Well coached, good quarterback. Who in if and if he's healthy, the offense is going to be significantly better. I think they invested in the offense with Matthew Golden. I don't know. This team just looks really good. They got a first round rookie receiver and they traded for one of the best defensive players in the NFL. And I think that defensive player is going to raise the like floor for everyone around him as well, but also a little bit prisoner of the moment. I It's just hard to pick out of the nfc. It's like, yeah, the Eagles are probably the best team.

[B]

Is it kind of wild that the Chiefs have the fourth best odds?

[A]

It's hilarious. It's just literally fatigue. It's so funny. I mean, it makes sense. Like they literally won 15 games, but like they should have won the 10.

[C]

Charlie Chapman went to a Charlie Chapman lookalike contest and finished fourth.

[B]

Like the Ravens and the Bills have the best two odds. They've never even been there.

[A]

So funny. Yeah, we should probably just bet the Chiefs 8 to 1. Probably the best number we'll get all year. They're going to start like eight.

[B]

No, they've never even been there.

[C]

That's funny.

[A]

And now it's time for a special part of today's episode brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. There's no such thing as too much NFL. But how can you handle it all when it's 1pm on a Sunday? You're flipping through channels like a madman. Your phone is blown up. It's just a complete sensory overload. This is the whole reason NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV is basically a must have from September to January. It's the only way to impose order on the chaos. It gets you every game, every Sunday all in one place. One with features that help you stay on top of all the NFL action. Plus right now new users can grab it for 8 payments of just $34.50 per month. New users pay $276 or 8 non cancelable payments of 3450amonth with first payment charged at purchase. Payment plans not available everywhere with NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games and YouTube TV. Base plan for local and national games requires Base plan excludes digital only games and commercial use terms. Embargoes and restrictions apply. No refunds. Craig I feel like the YouTube Sunday Ticket is the calm in the storm.

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[C]

Josh Allen.

[A]

I have Josh too. Just because I think so.

[C]

Josh was my pick and then I there's a couple guys I like with longer shots and this kind of goes to what, like my other predictions, but Jordan Love is 16:1 and then Dak is 40 to 1.

[A]

Whoa.

[C]

So those both feel like back 40:1's pretty interesting odds.

[A]

Craig, who do you pick?

[B]

I pick Lamar to win the mvp. I don't like any of these odds. I don't know.

[C]

Matt Stafford's 40 to 1.

[A]

Still like Jalen Hurts at 20 to 1 for what we think will be the best team in the conference. We're just like, all right, so if the Eagles win 15 games, is Jalen Hurts going to win MVP or not?

[C]

Does he have the best defense in the NFL?

[A]

Well, that's the problem. But I'm like, but it's just funny to see a quarterback for a team where everyone's like, he doesn't get enough respect and then they're going to win 14 games.

[B]

And I'm like, I will say, if Jalen hurts, sprains his knee and misses five weeks, I think Brock Birdie could be the one seed and win the MVP.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, Purdy's 20.

[C]

What is Purdy? Yeah.

[B]

27 to 1, 22 to 1 MVP.

[A]

Is hard to bet just because you're like, yeah, it's probably Joshua Lamar and their odds Are terrible.

[B]

But I mean you should probably. If you take, you know, if you, if you bet Lamar and Josh one of those.

[A]

So here's the one I like. We're just switching over. I think I'm just disrespecting Tom Tom and just moving conversations.

[B]

I think Tom Tom's dead.

[A]

So I want to do offensive player of the year. I think this one really shocked me.

[B]

Offensive player of the Year. Not Rookie of the Year.

[A]

Play offensive player of the Year. Okay, well before I say anything, who do you guys have? Craig.

[B]

I didn't prepare for that award. That's a fake award. And I, I perfect.

[C]

Let me get. Let me. Let me give the offensive player of the year preamble here. For a long time and for unknown reasons it was also the quarterback who won MVP would win the offensive player of the year. I'm boycotting the office, which is super stupid. But I will say the last six seasons it has not been a quarterback. Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Justin Jefferson, Cooper Cup, Derek.

[B]

It's the best non quarterback essentially.

[C]

Right?

[A]

So that's breaking if you break a record. So when Drew Brees would throw for 5, 000 yards and that was a cool round number, they would give it to Drew Brees but he wasn't the MVP because they would win 10 games.

[B]

So just take Joe Burrow at 60 to 1.

[A]

I literally was going to say. I'm sorry, I'm betting on it right now before I give this opinion. Joe Burrow at 60 to 1 for offensive player of the year for someone that's widely like just believed to lead the league in yards and touchdowns is absolutely bizarre. Like I. How is Jackson Smith and Jake.

[C]

They don't give it to the quarterback anymore.

[A]

Jackson Smith and Jake Bazaads for offensive player of the year or higher than Joe Burrow. That's fucking preposterous.

[B]

It is. Kyron Williams is ahead of him.

[A]

That's insane. That's cr. I'm betting this right now. Before this episode comes out. It's 61. Now we're going to move this number down because it's actually crazy. Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen is 60 to 1. How does that make sense?

[C]

Because I'm telling you, it's the non quarterback.

[B]

Wait, who won it last year?

[A]

Okay, and before that round numbers. 2,000 yards from scrimmage. 2,000 yards, you break the Cooper cup.

[B]

Win at the triple crown.

[A]

Yeah, all right.

[C]

But regardless, I went with tractor. Seato, the little tractor.

[B]

You said that like people know that's his name.

[C]

And Derek Henry.

[A]

Derek Henry's odds are 14:1. Oh, Tom. Tom. Shout out. Tom. Tom. God, I love Tom.

[C]

Little tractors. Take it away. He's going to score 25 touchdowns this year and go over 2,000 yards.

[A]

Okay, that's pretty good. I kind of like that. Oh, I'm gonna bet that right now.

[C]

The Ravens are gonna be leading a lot, which means he's gonna be salting away games with his little tractor.

[A]

This little tractor?

[C]

That sounded like condescending.

[A]

That's not what I meant.

[C]

He's a huge. He's a huge tractor.

[B]

Sounds like you're talking about his penis.

[C]

Mega tractor.

[A]

Tractor.

[C]

Seato.

[A]

We were all thinking it. All right, Craig, what awards did you prepare for?

[C]

Wait, who's this? Hold on, Hyphens. Who's the spicy take for the offensive player of the year?

[A]

Joe Burrow. It's 60 to 1. What the is Dak Prescott's low, too? It's just like, they're not gonna get five. Say what if Joe Burrow throws for 5,200 yards? He's gonna win. Offensive player.

[C]

Tough, tough pal.

[A]

No, he's gonna.

[B]

To answer your question, hyphens, I prepared for defensive player, rookie of the year, offensively and defensively. And coach.

[A]

All right, defensive play.

[C]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. One sec. I want to just put this out there because I think it's funny, and I do not think that he's going to win this, but Cooper cup won the award in 2021, which was four short seasons ago. Guys that are ranked above him right now include Jake Ferguson, Romeo Dubs, Rico Dowdle.

[A]

Rico Dowdle as the backup Panthers running back ahead. Cooper cup is pretty. Cooper cup.

[C]

This is.

[A]

Man, that's pretty amazing.

[C]

Also, Puka is 20 to 1 and Devonte Adams is 101. Do with. Do what you will with that information, okay?

[A]

Jackson Dart 401 Offensive Player of the year.

[C]

That's kind of. That's kind of fun. Except they're not going to give it to a quarterback, hopefully.

[A]

Or else stupid passed. Okay, Defensive player of the year, Craig, Jared verse.

[B]

15 to 1.

[C]

Ooh.

[A]

Oh, that's pretty good.

[C]

15 to 1. Yeah, I went with Aiden Hutchinson.

[A]

Hutchinson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He shouldn't want it.

[C]

Last year, he's gonna have, like, 25 sacks.

[A]

There's nothing cool about me saying Michael Parsons, but, like, I just, like, yeah, that sounds like it'll happen. 5.

[C]

Parsons is the best.

[B]

Parsons. The back thing scares me. Aiden Hutchinson. Don't we have the role? Don't bet on a guy the year after he broke his leg.

[C]

We do, but I did it anyway.

[A]

Okay, you know what else is funny? While we're talking about funny odds? Do you remember who won defensive player of the league last year?

[B]

Pat Sir Chan.

[A]

Do you remember who's supposed to be like the best defense in the NFL this year?

[B]

Denver.

[A]

Do you know what his odds are? 33 to 1. Does that not just tell you how stupid the voting is? That they're like, well, they'll never give it to the same guy twice?

[B]

Last year was a weak sack year and it was Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals didn't make the playoffs ever.

[A]

Literally, if a guy doesn't hit 18 sacks, they just give it to a fucking cornerback.

[B]

Yeah, like, that's why, to be honest, I was going to say T.J. watt because I, I. Miles Garrett, like, the brand is suck. Aiden Hudgenson in the leg. Micah parsons the back. T.J. watt is like sitting there at fourth best odds, 10 to 1.

[A]

The other one, Nick Bosa is 15 to 1. And you're like, we all expect the Niners to make the playoffs.

[C]

Will Anderson's 11 to 1. Yeah, but she's just like, boring name.

[A]

It's just too boring.

[C]

Will Anderson, too boring. Old Bill.

[A]

I just think it's funny. The reigning defensive player of the year is 33. 1. I feel like that there's. Has that ever happened before you got your little award. You like you thought. We actually thought you were good. You don't get sacks. We can't count up your numbers. It's just funny to me. That's crazy.

[B]

The.

[A]

Oh, there you go. Tom. Tom.

[C]

Now Kai. Kai's just throwing it in when he.

[A]

Throw whenever he's mad at Mike. You can't talk about team, offense, Defensive rookie of the year. I mean, we don't have to talk about it. Did we all take Abdel Carter?

[B]

I think he is going to win, but if we he's. His odds are kind of ridiculous.

[A]

Money to win.

[B]

Yeah. If we want to do like, which bet we like? I like T.E. mcMillan. Oh, no.

[A]

Defensive rookie. Sorry.

[B]

I like.

[A]

Hard to tell.

[B]

I like Shemar Stewart. I'm zagging.

[A]

Practice is bad.

[C]

Nothing, nothing about that was actually funny except for the way that Craig delivered it, like he was so proud of himself.

[A]

Shamar Stewart, 16 to 1 for the guy didn't show up to camp.

[B]

Yeah, I'm taking Shamar Stewart. That's exactly how these things go in the NFL.

[C]

The guy who has the most sacks, nobody knows. Therefore Shemar Stewart.

[B]

Shemar Stewart when he plays. I think is going to be awesome. And I think there's nobody else on the fucking Bengals other than Trey Hendrickson and him. And I think he's going to get a lot of sacks.

[A]

That's funny. Dk, do you think practice is bad?

[C]

I mean, Abdul Carter is the obvious easy one, and he's like, he's 185, but Travis Hunter, 14 to 1, he's second team cornerback.

[B]

I think he's not going to play enough on either side to win either of these awards.

[C]

Here's a spicy one. Jihad Campbell for the Eagles. Yeah, no, he's got. He's playing off ball. He's gonna. He's gonna have like 150 tackles.

[B]

Why I picked Shamar Stewart is I was like, there's not a lot going on in Cincinnati. Like, there needs to be egg. It's like Miles Garrett is like the guy on the Browns who gets 20 sacks and then he wins. And he's the star of the defense. You need to be the. Jihad Campbell's not going to be the star of the Eagles. There's too much going on.

[A]

The one that's actually packed his offensive rookie of the year because you have genti is like 3 to 1. Cam Ward's like 3 to 1. O' Marian Hampton for the Chargers is like 8 to 1. Travis Hunter's 10 to 1. Tech McMillan for the Panthers like 12 to 1. Trayvon Henderson's 14 1, and Mecca Bua for the Bucks is 16 1. Matthew Gold for the packers is 22 to 1. Tyler Warren for the Colts is 27.

[C]

27 to 1.

[A]

All those guys could do it. Like, all those. The reality is quarterback went number one. If the Titans are good, that's hard to beat, but, like, that's a pretty stacked class of people.

[C]

Dart is 27 to 1. He.

[A]

Dude, don't even get yourself a dart. Don't even start with me.

[C]

I like the last. The last couple winners. Here's the history of the award here. Jane Daniels last year, C.J. stroud before that. Garrett Wilson, Jamar Chase, Herbert Murray Barkley.

[A]

Brock Bowers last year literally had more catches than any rookie has ever had. And we were all like, obviously it's Jen Daniels.

[C]

I mean. And it should have been. Yeah, probably.

[A]

It's just. It's just. Yeah, just. It's fierce. But.

[C]

So do you think Camp. Do you think Cam Ward. I don't know. That's maybe three to one right now, Frank.

[B]

I think there's a lot of nice late. Like, I think Auka at 16 to 1 is really nice.

[A]

Yeah. If you're betting in Abuka. But realistically, Tyler Warren. Realistically, Cam Ward will probably win this award.

[C]

Harvey is 27 to 1.

[A]

Your boy, Cam Ward or Genti, they also have to be cool. This is essential for Rookie of the Year, is it always goes to a cool player. Cam Ward, Genti, overwhelming odds.

[B]

I. I'm increasingly fearful of. I. I think Genti might have, like, a 300 carry, 3.9 yards per carry season.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I'm a little nervous that they're just gonna give, like, pound the rock with him and he'll, like, muscle his way to 1300 yards and never really look that good. That's kind of how I feel about him right now.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's totally, totally possible. That's.

[C]

I went with Hampton. He's my favorite. And then Warren's my favorite sleeper.

[A]

Yeah, I think those are.

[B]

I don't think a tight end has ever won Rookie of the Year.

[C]

I believe that's interesting. Okay.

[A]

He's long hair, though.

[B]

That's true.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think a book and Ted McMillan. Like, if one of those guys just has 14, you know, 1200, 1300 yards.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Cam Ward is. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The dumbest award, and my least favorite one is Coach of the Year, because there actually is a Coach of the Year award. It's called the fucking Lombardi Trophy. And so I just think it's funny.

[C]

Did Bill Belichick ever win the Coach of the Year award?

[A]

Like, twice.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It's pathetic. Like, the Coach of the Year award is like, you're gonna get fired in three years.

[C]

Stefanski has won it twice in the last five years.

[A]

Let me check. I think he wanted as many times as Bill Belichick did, which kind of tells you. Yeah, he won it three times. Stefanski's won it twice. So that's kind of DK.

[C]

Matt Nagy won it in 2018.

[A]

Here's how you know it's stupid. Do you know the people who are like, 75 to 1 to win coach of the year is Harbaugh. 75 to 1 is Andy Reid. 70. 75 to 1 is Syrian.

[C]

It would be weird if they gave it to you.

[A]

Good coaches are Kevin O' Connell's 50 to 1. How is that possible?

[B]

Well, it's. It's. It's not really. It's. It's kind of like Player of the Year. It's basically like the. Which coach took the bad team to decent.

[A]

Yeah. Which person were we wrong about? And we all think Kevin o' Connell's good. So there's no outcome. Kevin o' Connell could be the coach of the year because he already won the 14 games last year. It's so stupid. So the favorites are like, Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel, Liam Cohen, Aaron Glenn, Pete Carroll. Guys who didn't make the playoffs last year to do it or you.

[C]

This is like Heifetz railing against rushing stats in fantasy.

[A]

All right, fine. I'll shut up.

[C]

I'm just like, get on board, man. This is how the awards are given out.

[A]

Stupid.

[C]

We don't, we don't need the riot act on why this award is stupid. Just give us who you think's going to win it.

[A]

Mike Vrabel.

[C]

Okay. That's fair. I went with Pete Carroll.

[B]

Yeah, I like Pete. Carol it. I like pete. Pete at 14 to 1 is nice. Also, if the Broncos. If you think the Broncos are going to win the division, Sean Payton is 20 to 1.

[A]

If the Broncos win the division, Sean Payton better get coach of the year.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Want to know a spicy one? And this is narrative based a little bit, but if the Cowboys compete this year, especially after trading, trading Schottenheimer would be awesome. Schottenheimer, 30 to 1.

[A]

Be sick. I kind of like it. Shot nine or 30.

[C]

I think if they sneak in on 11 wins and win the wild card or get into the wild card or whatever.

[B]

Shoddy. It's so funny. Literally the three worst odds are Andy Reid, Nick Sirianni and John Harbaugh.

[A]

Tells you a little bit about the.

[C]

Award because it's how the award is given. Heifets get on.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Let's figure it out.

[A]

I'm. That's stupid. The way it's presented is dumb.

[B]

I'm picking Pete Carroll.

[A]

The last one. I didn't even know you could bet on this, but I think it's funny. Is NFL comeback player of the year, which I think is a funny concept, but the Aiden Hutchinson's favorite. But then there's also Dak Prescott and Christian McCaffrey's 3 to 1, J.J. mcCarthy, who should not be eligible. Yeah, he did not play.

[B]

He's not coming back from anything. He didn't play in the NFL yet.

[A]

Jim Carthy's 9 to 1. I guess he's eligible for the award, but no chance. Nick Chubb is 20 to 1. But I, I think, I, I think McCaffrey, if he plays 17 games, feels a lot.

[B]

This is the award. I don't understand because it's like, is this the guy who came back from an injury or is it like Trevor Lawrence? What is he coming Back from.

[A]

I don't. Well, I don't know. Craig. I watched Tomorrow. Hamlin bad. I watched Demar Hamlin die on the field before Craig. And then they gave the comeback player of the year to Joe Flacco because he had just been retired.

[B]

Because he retired.

[A]

He had just not been playing. And they gave him back to life. Demar Hamlin came back to life.

[B]

Yeah, like, I. I don't. I don't know. Like, I.

[C]

This really is. Sometimes it is like, Gino Smith won comeback player of the year a couple years ago and it was. It's like. Well, because he was bad prior to that.

[A]

Jim Harbaugh won comeback player of the year as a player for the Colts because they were like, you weren't hurt. You were just on the Bears.

[B]

They're different awards. Like, I. I think comeback player of the year, if you want to make that injury related, like, that's fine. You can give it to Aiden Hutchinson. He broke his leg or whatever. But there should be like, most improved.

[A]

They need a most improved player.

[B]

Most improved breakthrough performance. They give that like the Grammys or something.

[A]

They need more awards. Like, this is.

[C]

Why did Chad Pennington won it twice.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

2008. What's going on there?

[A]

Belt for the best quarterback, best running back, best receiver, best O lineman. The college football has. They need a best unit. But to your point, they also need most improved player because. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that Trevor Lawrence would be in the same category as Christian McCaffrey.

[B]

Like Hunter Renfro makes. If Hunter Renfro caught 97 passes. I'm like, that. That is exactly what I think this category should be. Why is Russell Wilson on this? What is he coming back from being bad?

[A]

Why did.

[C]

Why did Josh Allen win in 2020? Can you remind me? I can't actually remember because he sucked.

[A]

And then he was good. It's insane. The criteria is. It's. There's no criteria.

[B]

I hate it.

[A]

Oh, my God, it's so funny.

[C]

There's a protector of the year award this year. Hi, Fitz.

[A]

Yeah, they're glad they added it. Penne Sewell has to be there. The answer to it, he's the. I think he's the best lineman in the NFL.

[B]

Predicting which offensive lineman is going to win an award is where I draw the line.

[A]

Okay, all right, Stop there.

[B]

All right, like, how are you gonna. Okay, like, dk, what's your thought process there?

[C]

Look at.

[B]

It's really good.

[C]

The best offensive linemen are.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I would just pick one.

[B]

Of the top Three.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, let's get to. I want to get to. We got a lot of emails here. And again, just a reminder, we're doing the show Sunday nights, Mondays doing waivers, money football. We're doing power hour, Wednesdays, Friday, like previewing the weekend. So please stick with this whole season. But I do want to get to some emails because we got so much feedback on a conversation we had last week where Craig basically asked. I don't want to do. I want to just basically summarize your argument, Craig, which was basically like, if you throw a baseball righty, obviously you're throwing it righty. But what about swinging righty makes that like a righty act? What about you, you, if you hit a golf club, like from what we call it righty, what about that is an inherently righty behavior? Is that basically right? Is that a fair summary?

[B]

Yeah, my argument was like, if you're swinging a bat righty, is that a right handed dominant motion or is it actually a left handed dominant motion?

[A]

Which is very. I can't. I think we got. We got crazy amount of people.

[B]

So many emails. Thank you. To everybody who had thoughts. And it varied that we. I learned a lot. There's a whole Canadian hobby, if you want to talk about that.

[C]

Oh yeah, that's the interesting thing.

[A]

I do. So I. The one thing I wanted to just make sure we got right. My friend Jackson reminded me correctly that way more players in baseball throw right and hit lefty than the vice versa.

[C]

Right. Because that's because you have to throw righty for most positions and.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.

[B]

It's basically just first base pitcher, first base and outfield.

[A]

So I have the article here and I actually.

[B]

Which is funny because I throw left and bat right. I'm the rarity.

[A]

You're one of. You pitched. So I.

[B]

Well, I pitched, yes, but you pitched. I pitched, yeah.

[C]

He was a pitcher.

[B]

I was. I was a pitcher and a first baseman.

[A]

How, how old. How did you play high school baseball?

[B]

No, but I, to be honest, I'm not. I don't want to do that. Like I could have. I was doing nothing. But I actually have a legitimate reason. I have a legitimate reason. Hear me out.

[A]

Hear me out.

[B]

You can ask my friends. I was very good when I was like a kid. I was like one of the best pitchers in my area. I was very good. To be honest. I grew so late and I was so premature physically. As a freshman in high school, I was five 1, 105 pounds, five 2, 105 pounds I had like no hair under my arms. I had to go to the doctor. My brother was six. Three people thought I wasn't going to grow as a whole thing. I like genuinely could not throw as hard as anybody. Like they just outgrew me. So I should, I could.

[C]

They should have done the messy thing with you where they put you on like HGH or whatever.

[B]

Yeah, I, I think I was pretty good as a pitcher. But then I, I literally like was not strong enough to compete with these fight. I didn't play. I grew. Later, I grew like junior senior year. By then it was too late.

[A]

You got a volleyball scholarship?

[B]

Yeah, a big one.

[A]

The best low stakes Forest of the redheads.

[C]

Wait, what was it?

[B]

College of the Redwoods.

[A]

California High School to the College of the Redwoods, baby.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh my God. So I, I have like large swaths of this article, but it is really interesting with the ready lefty thing. You can read it if you want or I, I was going to summarize it, but it's actually really interesting.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

So again, Craig was basically. He kind of blew our minds when he's like, why is swinging a baseball like, like bat righty? Like, why is that righty? So then we had all these people emailed us in. A lot of people shout out, mentioned Canadian hockey, where basically they're talking about Canadian golfers. Like a third of them are lefty, which is obviously crazy because like 11% of the general population is lefty. And so then. And in the NHL, so the National Hockey League, more than 60% of players are like, quote unquote, left handed, where.

[C]

They have a left, quote unquote, left handed, like stick just like a baseball.

[A]

Like they do it lefty. Like if they were playing baseball, you'd call it lefty.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyway, this is obviously a crazy disparity. So then the art. There's this great article in Golf Digest that gets into exactly what Craig was talking about. And I want to shout out the author because it was pretty incredible. And it was written by Shane Ryan last year actually. And he wrote this story that basically is like, forget all your training is. I'm quoting him. Is it better to have a dominant hand pulling through in the golf swing or guiding the club?

[C]

This is exactly what Craig said.

[A]

Yeah. So he asked the same question. And so basically what about it makes it righty? And the answer is basically, it seems like. I'm going to paraphrase. It seems like Americans play baseball and the way you learn baseball is the guide hand on a baseball bat is you want right over left and your dominant hand over the non dominant hand because that kind of becomes the guiding hand which for kids is easier to learn. And in hockey it's not like that. The dominant hands on top so you end up with your dominant hand becomes like righty is on top if you're righty. But that because of the curve it that becomes like a lefty stick so that when you go to play golf it's like a lot of people stick with it. I guess I should quote. Does that make sense? I guess so. Yeah.

[C]

It's basically it goes back. If you look there's they have a map where it shows hockey stick sales by region. And it's like every, like everything above the border in Canada is all. It's much more heavier left handed sticks, quote unquote left handed sticks. And for a while like apparently and I don't know hockey very well, so I'm sure hockey fans are going to be really mad at me. But like apparently for a while the hockey sticks were curved in the hit the striking section of the hockey puck or whatever or the hockey stick was curved for a while so therefore flat.

[A]

And then they made it curved.

[B]

Right.

[C]

So you, you want to like that's the direction you're hitting the puck with or whatever. And so a lot of people in Canada will start their children off in hockey with a quote unquote left handed stick where their right hand is on top. I believe that because the for puck.

[A]

Handling you learn puck handling versus kid.

[C]

For the puck handling you want the right hand on the top.

[B]

I believe basically it's like for accuracy, the dominant hand closer to your body is what like in hockey they want your dominant hand on top because the top hand is the one like navigating the stick more and the bottom hand is the one for power.

[A]

And when you're skating that top hand's going to carry it. So if you're righty you're going to.

[C]

Just have the stick in your right hand with one. If you're skating and holding your stick with one hand, you got your.

[B]

Yeah. And it was like there was, I was reading stuff about like if you want more power, it makes more sense to have the dominant hand in the back. But if you want more accuracy and control, you have the dominant hand in the front. And with hockey having more control with your dominant hand is more important as you're learning to play hockey when you're young. So your dominant hand being on top as a righty makes more sense. So now you're technically if you were playing baseball, that would be what is considered lefty.

[A]

So anyway, it's really interesting. We can, we can post the article. I'll post it on my blue sky and Instagram, whatever. But the, this Golf Digest article basically asks. The fact that we call one side right handed could be argued it's a cultural product, something that's taught.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And is it actually that meaningful as a description In America, we do it because we just think right handed people do that when they play golf, but it might just be a function of baseball and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, so it's really interesting and the idea of would you actually have been better off learning something in a different place or whatever. Like. I don't know. But yeah, what Craig was saying actually, turns out you were on.

[B]

It's funny, I thought that. I've thought that for so long and I've never brought it up. I'm glad that people had opinions on it. And the Canadian hockey thing is very interesting.

[A]

So. Yeah.

[C]

Also this article, this article did because we talked about tennis too. This article also had something about Rafael Nadal, who plays lefty, quote, unquote, lefty, but he is right handed with everything else that he does. So and it was like something to do with when he was younger, he was smoother and his backhand was smoother with a left hand. So then they kind of just trained him to do that.

[A]

So, like, I got that wrong. I believed. I guess it's a myth. I thought Dal's uncle made him play lefty. That's not what happened. Nadal had a Craig thing where he wasn't strong enough. And so he played backhand both sides.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

When he was younger to keep. Because I also imagine he's playing much like older competition. So he's like 12 and he's probably playing 18 year olds. So he had to have two backhand both sides. And they eventually decided that the lefty forehand was smoother. But it's also related to soccer because this was also interesting because we didn't bring soccer into this, but basically the idea is that Nadal kicked a soccer ball lefty. So your point, Craig, where I kind of thought you were wrong, but you were like, what makes a backhand lefty or righty? If you kick a soccer ball lefty, your left foot's behind you. And the way Nadal hits a forehand, it's like, it's actually the footwork might be what led his forehand to look smoother and nothing to do with his hands at all. It was actually what made Nadal, quote unquote, a lefty was the way he kicked a soccer ball made the footwork for his forehand easier. So anyway, the point is this is all like actually way more interesting than it's.

[C]

I love the idea. Yeah. I love the idea that your handedness is cultural somehow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

With like the sports you're playing.

[B]

And I think it's only because I am single, I'm left handed, doing single handed things that, that because I swing a golf club and a baseball bat, quote unquote righty. I always, every time I would do it, people be like, oh, that's so weird. You're left handed. But you, but you hit a baseball righty. I'm like, well, in my head they're not connected.

[A]

It's funny how we are like we've have airplanes that can fly people around the world and all the scientific stuff and stuff like this, we kind of still don't really know. Yeah.

[C]

The deal, it reminds me a little bit of, you know, just depending on where you grow up and your language development and the way that you construct sentences and the way that you put together like grammar and everything. It's very wildly different, I'm sure in different countries when you're speaking different languages and like how you perceive. There's like there, there's these studies and there's people that say that sometimes your personality is a little bit different in different languages, which I find totally wild and interesting. You know what I mean? It's like because you're. The way that you speak and like the intonation that you use can wildly vary in different languages. And so your personality seems different or maybe your personality is different depending on that.

[A]

That was kind of like that movie Arrival too, which is kind of like. It kind of explored the idea that are you almost withheld by a lack of vocabulary? Like if you aren't able to name an emotion, if you aren't able to name an idea, are you able to think about the idea if you don't have a word for it or how. Or rather how much easier it is like if you're, you know. I remember learning the word schadenfreude and just being like, oh, so you get happy when other people are mad or upset or whatever. And I'm like, oh, I feel like. I probably feel that all the time. Way more now because I have a name for it. I'm like, oh, this is why I get thrilled when the Cowboys fans are upset about Michael Parsons being traded. But yeah, it's interesting. Email us more about the left hand, right hand stuff or other stuff like that. Craig, great take. Anything else did you want to say about it? It's pretty. It was pretty.

[B]

No, I'm gonna keep reading the emails. There's been so many and they're also interesting.

[A]

But the other thing just thank you to everyone emailed in. The overwhelming response was like, yeah, I feel this way. And like I've been like this my whole life. And I actually glad like a lot of people were happy that we talked about it because they were just like, yeah, I've lived my whole life.

[C]

I thought like when we were talking about it, I thought I was thinking to myself, God, we're probably missing something so obvious. We're gonna sound like such morons. But it was cool to see that other people were.

[A]

Oh, the only other thing. Roger Earl's co worker Roger Sherman texted me and said another relevant lefty bias thing. There hasn't been a lefty kicker in the NFL since 2018.

[B]

Oh wow.

[A]

And the only reason they had him do it because no one wants to do the holder do everything in reverse. Yeah. So the only time was Sat Bastion, Janikowski was left, he got hurt and the Raiders just signed another lefty kicker. But other than that, they just don't want to mirror image it. So there you go.

[B]

How many lefty punters are there? Does that matter?

[A]

Belichick like the lefty punter different way. Yeah, he liked that. Anyway. All right, I think that's all we got. So we're going to have our preview week one preview is our next episode. That's crazy.

[B]

But yeah. And the the debut of Ringer 107.

[A]

Debut of Ringer 107. Email us ideas if you have a better idea than Craig's idea of we should all get to go to Vegas if we win that thing. That's Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if you have an idea for that. Emails. Trivia. We're going to start bringing waivers back. Trivia. We're going to have our trivia tiebreakers on Mondays to have waiver ideas and also emails. No, what was the other thing I wanted emailed? Oh, sorry, not email. We're going to have our in season rankings. So if you've been doing fantasy football3.com we're gonna have rankings for you guys week one. Next week we're gonna.

[B]

Where are you guys playing? And we'll talk about on Thursday I want to talk about our ringer matchups.

[A]

There you go. So yeah. All right. Thank you, D.K. thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Thank you, Lord.

[B]

Lord.

[C]

Thank you, Chuck Berry.

[B]

Nice. Speaking of Lauren, a lot of new SNL cast announcements today. Oh, the girl. I'm gonna butcher her last name. She's really funny. Veronica. She's on TikTok. She was on Tire season two.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. She's on SNL now.

[B]

She just got cast on snl. I think she might. I'm. I'm calling it now. She's gonna be the next Kristen Wiig. I think she's really, really.

[A]

Who is this?

[B]

Her name is.

[C]

I follow her on Instagram. I think it's like, Veronica is cool.

[A]

Slow.

[B]

Yes, Veronica is cool. Is her Instagram and Tick Tock name. Her name is Veronica Slow Akowska. And I think she's great.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

They also promoted one of the Please don't destroy guys to the main cast.

[C]

Like, is he gonna be. They're gonna be, like, in all the skits now.

[B]

Like, how. The way. The way, like, Andy Samberg was in Lonely island, but also a cast member. The other two weren't.

[C]

Which one did they promote?

[B]

Ben Marshall. He's the guy. He's the redhead. But the one guy.

[C]

Are the other two guys pissed?

[B]

One is leaving.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

One is a writer. It's funny because the one that's leaving is the son of Michael Higgins. No, John Higgins, who is a producer on snl. His son is leaving, which makes me think, I don't know, he wants to go on and, like, be an actor or something. But.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Please don't destroy his ending.

[C]

That's a bummer.

[B]

I know. I actually thought. Those guys are really funny.

[C]

The Legend of Foggy Bottom is funny. I don't care what you. Who you are. It's so funny. It's like the dorkiest, I don't know, slapstick movie.

[B]

I got it wrong. Steve Higgins is his dad. John Higgins is the kid.

[C]

But.

[A]

Yeah. What movie you talking about?

[C]

TK Please don't destroy the Legend of Foggy Bottom or Foggy Mountain.

[B]

Sorry, I. I didn't mind that movie.

[C]

I think it's funny.

[B]

The Treasure of Foggy Mountain.

[A]

The treasure.

[C]

If I can't even get.

[B]

I thought it was kind of funny. It was.

[C]

It's really funny.

[B]

It was, like, edited. Like a Tik Tok. It was so quick.

[C]

Yeah. Didn't do great on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, well, but that's.

[A]

I also think that quickly edited things, like, it's tough to appeal to a wider audience. Like I feel like that was how I felt about everything everywhere, all at once. Where we. You had this experience, Craig, you. I think that was your favorite movie that year. Jack and I were like, this is one of the best movies ever seen. And our parents are just like turned it off. Couldn't finish it. Yeah. Maybe nauseous, like. Okay.

[B]

I think it's like the one of the largest culture like generational divides of any like movie ever. Is everything everywhere all at once? I don't know anybody over 50 who liked them. Bill didn't like it. Nobody liked them. And then all my friends were like, this movie's fucking life changing. Yeah.

[A]

Dk, you're dead in the middle. Where are you on it? I know halfway.

[C]

No, I need to watch it.

[B]

Oh, you haven't seen it.

[A]

You should because it's actually an interesting thing because you're literally exactly halfway between.

[C]

Bill right in the middle. Well, Craig, I told you this. Like my dad texted me. He doesn't text me about movies commonly, but he texted me and he's like, I hated that movie. It's just funny.

[A]

Perfect litmus test.

[B]

I also, I don't. Don't trust Rotten Tomatoes, like ever.

[A]

No.

[B]

I don't know. This is the worst way to tell if a movie's good. Don't do that.

[C]

The Legend of Foggy Mountain. Is that what it is?

[B]

Treasure of treasure.

[C]

Foggy Mountain.

[A]

The name is Hard.

[C]

The name is Hard.

[A]

Who the is ex Mayo?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Craig, are you excited about the new additions?

[B]

Yeah, I want SNL to. They've. They've already announced. A bunch of people are leaving. I think there needs to be more. Maybe more will come. I just think there needs to be a fresh start. Yeah, I don't. I don't know a couple of these people. One of them is like on the Kill Tony circuit. This other guy, Jeremy Killain I've seen on Tick Tock. There's Tommy Brennan is a stand up. But yeah. I don't know some of these people. But yeah, I think there needs to be. I think Lauren was waiting for SNL 50. It was the same cast for a while. He didn't want to disrupt any of that. Now that that's over, I think he's trying to like once again clean house and start right.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

Wow. Those earnest. Should I send it there?

[B]

Rick Barry? No. Who did you Rick? Chuck Berry.

[C]

Chuck Berry.

[B]

Yeah. We didn't give him any loose weight shoes, baby. I almost said Rick Barry.

[C]

But you did say this guy who shoots granny style.

[B]

Yeah, the legend. Love that.

[A]

More people should do that.

[B]

Dude, I know Shaq got bullied out of that.

[A]

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[C]

Whatever.

[A]

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