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Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
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Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Damn, these guys are cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Craig, can you explain the salty spittoon? It's like split. Spongebob has the salty spittoon for toughness, but this is kind of like that. For coolness.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's the salt. So it's the. It's the Cool Corral. I don't know what it's called, but yeah, only the cool guys are in this club. Right?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
DK Totally. I. I totally know what you're talking about. The thing, my reference, my generation is if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis. That was what came to my mind for this. So these guys are cooler than peeing your pants.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So we're just going to go through a bunch of Miles Davis's. Yeah, we're just going to go through the cool players that. Honestly, if you're like, I don't want to know anything about the draft. Whatever. I'll deal with it later. But we're like, these guys are sick and you should know these guys.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
If you, if you're despairing currently about this being a boring draft, class today is for you.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So guys are fun A couple things in news I want to hit before we go into this. So the Schefter posted in the NFL really posted through Schefter that the NFL season, the kickoff is going to be weird. The they're going to do it on Wednesday night instead of Thursday night. So the Seahawks, the defending champions, are going to play on Wednesday night and then Thursday night in Australia, which is Australian. Thursday morning the Rams and 49ers will play. So we'll have a Wednesday and a Thursday game.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It'll be. It'll be Friday morning for Australia, not Thursday.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Oh, right. I didn't. That's a good point.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
The game will tip off at, I believe 10:30 or 11:30, I don't know the daylight savings. But 10:30 or 11:30am on Friday in Australia will be 8, 8:30 Eastern for America.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So we could get to the Wednesday on Thursday.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
So we're very hard. It's very weird.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Wednesday thing has happened before. They did it like 12 years ago.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
They did it in 2012 when there was a Democratic National Convention the next day and Obama was going to speak. So they moved the game up. It was Giants, Cowboys.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And so that's not as crazy to me. It's kind of like, all right, Wednesday, they're getting a little greedy with the amount of games.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
No, they're not getting greedy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
But I kind of will be honest. I actually like Wednesday Thursday better than Thursday Friday. Watch them do Thursday. Watch them have a Friday game too.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I agree with that. I think I agree with that.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Probably better. I don't like that Chiefs Charger starts on a Friday night and I'm like the first Friday of the end of. Of which was still summer at that point and. But I will say for the Rams, going all in, I think it's weird that they're starting this season where they're going all in to win a Super bowl in their home stadium in Los Angeles next year. Stafford's 38 and it's like you have a long run with McVeigh, but this team is like the co favorites in Seattle. I think it's weird that the Rams are starting this season in Australia.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Like that sucks for them. This is a lot of travel. Yes.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And I know they have three days, but like that's a long trip. Like no one's tried this before. Like it's. What is it? Like it's a 20. How long is the flight? Like 20 hours of flying if they were private, direct.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Well, from LA. Yeah, I think it's like 17 hours from LA.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's just a weird way to start. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't matter.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
They're like, actually, we don't want to do this because we're trying to win a Super bowl this year. Can people say that? I feel like they don't.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't know, but they probably would agreed to it anyway. It's just.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Did you see our moves over the off season, Raj?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I, yeah, I'll admit the NFL is getting a little weird with it, but I. If there's no Friday game, I'll, I'll take it.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
If, if they're doing a Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday thing at the in week one, I'm fine with it. It's where it's during the, you know, holidays.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
During the holidays, I'm trying to spend time with my, my loved ones.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I'm like, Jesus Christ, can you just give us one day to not do something?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Seven nights of games in nine days over Christmas.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The Christmas fantasy championships are bad. Like you're trying to be.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
We got, we got the day before Thanksgiving Eve now, which is a new holiday, I guess.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Give me a break.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The Eagles signed Elijah Moore, the receiver. This is not usually big enough news that it would matter for me to talk about Elijah Moore signing with the Eagles, but I think it's notable because Elijah Moore is like, A.J. brown's best friend in the entire world on, like, a very deep level.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
And this is like when the buck signed Giannis's brother.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes, it really is. And I, I don't know. This is the kind of thing that would be a smart thing for Howie Roseman to do, whether they want to trade AJ Brown or not, because it certainly makes it look like they're going to keep A.J. brown. I do think this makes A.J. brown more manable for the season.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He's like, I just want my friend to be on my team. It's like Adam Sandler just putting like Rob Schneider and all of his movies daughter now. It's like, I just, I'm not doing it unless my pals are there.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I, I, Yeah. So you know what? It's probably smart.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So, so should I. Should I bet on a prediction market that AJ Brown now will remain on the Eagles because Elijah Moore is there? Is that what you're saying?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Or that if A.J. brown gets traded, Elijah Moore will be cut?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, okay.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, there we go. Don't need you anymore.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Let's put him in the deal. Okay. With that said, let's get to the coolest players in the draft. This list is mostly made like. This is mostly a list of players that Danny Kelly is like, I think these guys are cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I will say coolness by dk.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I agree with almost all of them. But, Craig, I'll let you drive here. And I. I think, yeah, I'm excited to go through this list.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I'll decide if these guys are cool or not.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I'll be the judge of that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I'll be the judge of that. All right, dk, you made this list of guys you think are very cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The first one here is Mahomes or Joe Burrow, who's cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I saw my homes working out. Look good out there with his knee brace on.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Did he look cool?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
No. All right, we'll start with an easy one. This is a layup that this is the most famous. One of the more famous players in the draft this year. Jeremiah Love, the running back out of Notre Dame.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Objectively cool object.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Objectively cool. Why is he cool to you, dk?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's a freak. He's the fastest kid alive. Have you ever seen him run? This guy does spin moves. His spin moves have spin moves. He loves spin moving. There's more spin moves in his runs than I've ever seen in any other running back ever. No, but, like, to be serious for a second, he's extremely explosive. He's extremely versatile. He's a home run hitter. He's big, fast, strong, explosive. He's everything you want at a running back. It's like, you know, when you growing up, you want to be a running back because they carry the ball. They get to make all these cool moves, like the saquon jumping backwards over a guy. Everybody wants to do that shit. And Jeremiah Love is sort of that avatar that we all can imagine. We're going to be able to be that fast and, you know, explosive and all that. So he's just a lot of fun to watch. He's going to be. Probably looks like a top 10 pick, maybe even top five pick.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Well, that's what I want to get into because we basically talk about this every couple weeks. I want to revisit it now because there's been a couple moves, right? Like, the Saints got Travis Achan Achan etnh.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Don't forget to call his brother A Chan too, right?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Trevor Achan, Travis Hn and Devon Hn. Very tricky.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Do you think Trevor is gonna go by just ETN for like or are they both?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think his brother made that move for him.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Now, I don't know why, but his Name. The pronunciation being changed makes me forget if he's Trevor or Travis. And I don't know why. For some reason, like it's, it's Travis. ETN is in my head.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
But for some reason it screws me up. But anyway, ETN HN is on the Saints now. The Chief signed Ken Walker. The Saints have the eighth pick. The Chiefs have the ninth pick. So those two teams are eliminated. So basically right now we have the Cardinals at three, you have the Titans at four, you have the Giants at five, you have the Commanders at seven. We don't think the, the Cardinals are going to take him. I thought the Titans were. There's some reports that they're not going to take him at four. So we have Heavitz's New York Football Giants at five and we have Washington at seven. Dk, do you think he gets past that pick seven?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I think that is the over under
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
spot because the next spot would be maybe Dallas at 12. But do you think he gets past Washington at 7?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Probably not. I'm trying to remember because, yeah, I mean the, the GM of the Commanders, Adam Peters knows firsthand what the, you know, value of a elite running back and a two way running back guy that can do both passing game and running game stuff in cmc. So like that could play a factor here. I don't know if that means that they'd be willing to pay up this high.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
They're also analytics guys and it's like the Niners, maybe they felt they were one piece away. I don't know.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
They're basketball guys or whatever. Yeah. So I, yeah, I think that would be like. What I'm circling right now is the commanders and they just decide this guy's the best player on our board, whatever. But if he, if he does get past him, even if like a guy like Sunny Styles is there, if, if one of these pass rushers, David Bailey or Ruben Bane happens to fall. Arvel Reese, God, the, the, the, the sky is falling. Arvell Reese, they posted a video of him running some bag drills at his pro day today. Maybe he's going to fall into pass. I mean people are.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I'm losing my mind. We're in phase two, baby.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
People, these, these pro day reactions are gonna fucking kill me.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
People like that.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
They're, they're running around. Do you want me to do my rant again? They're fucking running around in shorts and
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
a shirt with no defense. They're playing catch.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
They're literally exercising. Those are, they're fucking exercising.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
The video of Arvo Reese running around that, that inflatable pin or whatever the fuck you call that, that is like something that people do like the TV show Wipeout. Like people do that in P.E. you know, like we could settle down if he looks slow doing something that you don't actually have to fucking do in the NFL.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, my God.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's fine.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Have you ever seen him play football?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Phase two, baby.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
There's no defense or offense in this case.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Anyways, what were you talking about?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Jeremiah Love. We can move on from him. I do think it's interesting that, like, it kind of feels like none of these teams are the right fit for him. Of the top seven, it's like, oh, the Giants, are they really going to take a run? Do the sake one thing again at the fifth pick, Washington, does that really make sense from a front office perspective? Titans and in Cardinals, maybe they're not there yet. And yet we think he's going to go in the top seven. I kind of like him in Washington. Hive. It's. I don't know if you want him at 5.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think if the Giants take him a. I think Giants, Titans, Washington, it's all the same argument. It's. You could make this case of, well, it's not really a good economic value to take a running back because the best running back in the NFL is going to get paid $20 million a year, 18 depending on count. And a receiver is going to make 50% or double that as much money. And so if they're elite, you're not getting as much surplus value, blah, blah, blah. But the moment your, like when other teams do it, that's dumb. The moment your team takes Jeremiah Love, you're like, shut up, nerds. Like, this guy's sick and you're going to have the best fucking time. And then he's going to be good immediately and you're not going to give a shit. And then three years later your team might not be that much better and then you'll be upset. But in the meantime, it's like, I was, I thought Saquon was a bad pick for the Giants. I had a great time watching the guy play football. You were excited when he left.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
The human capacity to love Giants of the last decade.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, the human capacity for cognitive distance. It's like, oh, wow, look at this bad long term financial move. Well, I'm going to have a great time.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Like, also, I still think Tennessee should take him and might take him, but I think Washington is in a similar boat where I'm like, Who? Jaden Daniels. We know he's great. His rookie year was fantastic. He looked like one of the best quarterbacks in the league immediately right now he has a 30 year old Terry McLaren and that's it. There's no one else on this team.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's the same thing for all three players which is for all three teams. Giants, Washington, Tennessee. I do think he goes one of those teams. It's for it's within the context of you're trying to help a young quarterback establish themselves as an elite guy. Jen Daniels getting back to rookie year. Cam Ward and Jackson Dart building on what they did last year. Within that context it's about giving them an explosive player and you're kind of bootstrapping them on the way to once you have franchise quarterback who cares. I will say in terms of Jeremiah Love the reason teams would take him is he pick your comp depending how old you are. I think there's shades of Reggie Bush and Darren McFadden before he got hurt. I think there's Jameer Gibbs. I think there's Christian McCaffrey with Jeremiah Love. I think I kind of see Jeremiah Love people said Jameer Gibbs. I think he plays a Jeremiah Love plays a lot like Christian McCaffrey with the Reggie Bush aesthetics because he has the spins like DK said and Jeremiah Love is going to bring hurdling to the he's got the spins baby gives other people spins. Jeremiah Love's going to bring hurdling back like the Reggie Bush hurdles. Like Jeremiah Love jumps over people. He is crazy. He's amazing. And I think the reason I think Jeremiah loves like McCaffrey is there were questions and like Gibbs oh well he's so good as a receiver. He's so good in space. Can he run between the tackles? Yes. Like the most important play of Notre Dame season a couple of years ago get at the championship is against Penn State and he basically breaks five tackles at the goal line alone just to get through and score a touchdown. Like I people wondered if McCaffrey could play between the tackles. Like you know what I mean? They thought he was going to score 20 touchdowns one season. I think Jeremiah Love is he's the three down back. He's that he's he is like that good. He's elite fantasy is going to be a first round pick. I he's also so fucking cool. He does the heart celebration for Love when he scores that's going to go viral. The name Love, everything about it.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I think he's very cool and I think whether the Giants, Titans or Commanders take him. I think that will be a good pick and I'm willing to stand by that. Okay, let's stay at running back. We haven't talked about pretty much any other running back in this class outside of Jeremiah Love. Dk One of your coolest players of the year is Jonah Coleman, the running back out of Washington. 58258, 220 pounds. This guy's all core. He's like one giant torso.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's a thick boy. Yeah, he's. Yeah, thick as a bowl of oatmeal or whatever he is. He's really fun to watch. Obviously we haven't talked a lot about running backs and I think he's actually maybe in danger of going on day three. That's like kind of where we are with the running back class. There's, there's day three. Yeah. So like fourth round, maybe he could sneak into third round, but probably more likely like late third, early fourth. He's not, he's kind of the polar opposite of, of Jeremiah Love in a lot of ways because he's not super explosive. He's not going to be like the home run hitting type of player. But he runs really low to the ground. He reminds me of like a thicker version of Bucky Irving where he's quicker than fast. He's got good vision to kind of sort through the mess of bodies in front of him and, and scoot through the opening in the line. He uses his blocks really well. He's patient. He's really good in the passing game. He's a great pass protector. He's just a football player that's kind of, kind of like the way I look at him. He's just a ball player. Only one fumble in his career. I think only one drop in his career. He's just, he, he's just a. The rolling ball of butcher knives thing is like so apt for him.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It really is just that for him
Host 3 (possibly DK)
he just runs through guys, he tries to run through guys faces. He was, his production was a lot or he was kind of like higher up on I think people's rankings in 2024 and then in 2025 this last year things kind of fell apart towards the end of the season and he's fallen down lists I think or just kind of not really people's focus. But if you look at some of the numbers like broken tackles, yards after contact, he grades out really well according to pff. And so he, this is a guy that I would love to get on late day two or early day Three.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Why is he a fourth rounder?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I think it's probably the speed thing. He's not super explosive and in fact he hasn't tested any at any point in this process. So that's kind of like a right.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, he was kind of fat last year. Like you could just say he was kind of fat and then he got really ripped last year, last off season and honestly before last off season looked like C.J. anderson. Like you remember when he was awesome by the way. Like who was great.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
CJ Anderson who basically like won a Super Bowl.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. Like that's what he reminds me of. He's like the, the least physically impressive but he, but he's a three down back who's not fast. But he can catch, he can run, he could win with power in a way. Imagine if Cam Scatter Boo wasn't like such a Tasmanian devil. I am not saying he's as powerful. He's probably a little faster than Scatter Boo is kind of slow and he's not as powerful as Scatter Boo running people over.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
But like he's a sophisticated Cam sc.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, he's like Cam SC win and his Cam Scoo. Exactly.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Thinking he believes asthma is real.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Right, Exactly. What if Cam Scoo thought asthma wasn't
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
just being, you know, as somebody who had asthma growing up. How dare you. Kim Sc it is real.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I gotta tell you, I've never cared less about any athlete's thoughts about the world.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
We're going to listen to the guy who runs into phone poles or whatever.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I, yeah, the guy who used to wanted to telephone polls. But yeah, I, I, Jonah Coleman. I gotta be honest, of all this list. He's, he's okay. He's heartwarming. I don't know if he's cool.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, I think he's cool. Just go watch some highlights of him. He's, he's cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Do you guys remember how good C.J. anderson was for the Broncos that one season?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, that was cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You remember him coming back for the Rams and then being like I gained man pregnancy weight out of solidarity with my wife and then he won and then they like made a Super Bowl.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay, next. Cool guy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Zachariah Branch. Wide receiver, little guy, five nine, 177 pounds.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
DK why is this guy cool? College is Georgia.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He is cool. I, I Compton, by the way to Maverick from Top Gun. I feel he feels the need, the need for speed. Also by the way the way he runs.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He either like Tom Cruise, he's either hitting. Yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Like you know the Memes of like Tom Cruise running extremely fast, like get through, through like a parking garage or something.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That's in collateral, right?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
That's him. But he also is like he, he's a, he's a, he's a receiver in name. He is basically a gadget player. That's what he was in college. His a dot. His average death of a target was something like 5 yards on average over his career in college. So he was getting a lot of screens, a lot of end arounds. Basically get the ball in his hands and let him create. And he did a lot of that. In fact he led, I believe he led the SEC in catches last year.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
All right, but it's, it wasn't just a lot of screens. Half of his, half of his targets were behind the line of scrimmage right at Georgia. His adot was five and after his career at Georgia it was less. It was three and a half ADOT yards down.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Exactly.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That's 10, that's 10ft.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
So that is, that is the fear here. But first of all, the usage with Georgia was a little different than it was at usc. I think there are flashes of where you see him running routes down the field. I don't think he's like a great round route run or anything, but he obviously he lacks size, he lacks catch radius. But he's big, strong. He's not big, he's. He's short, not small. He's pretty thick, pretty strong, tough guy. And he like basically my whole thesis with this and I know it's stupid, it's like the Sirens. I know that I'm being stupid about this. I know I shouldn't like him. I know I shouldn't want him on my team. Wants the heart wants, but I fucking do. I want this guy on my team. And the reason is because there's this 1% chance maybe he's just Tyreek Hill and he's extremely explosive. Like he does have special speed. He has incredible maneuverability in terms of acceleration and deceleration. The reason I thought of the Maverick thing is like there's so many times on tape where he's like, I hit the brakes and he just flies right by. You know what I mean? I don't know if you remember that scene from the movie, but basically like he's just so agile and so smart with spatial awareness in terms of like beating guys in terms of like their angles or whatever pursuit angles. He is, I think at the very least a special, special teams player. Like he was a good returner early on in his career. And I don't know, to me, if like Wanda Robinson can have a thousand yards receiving in a season and then get a huge contract. Like, I'm willing to take a bet on Zachariah Branch.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You're burying the lead here. This is cool players you're talking. You're jumping into the deficiencies because you're. You're ashamed to talk about all the cool parts.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Sure.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Zachariah Branch is like one of the most agile people I've ever seen in any. In anything I've ever. My entire life. Like, he was.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
There we go.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He. It's like the shortest of short lists. Like Tyree Kill, Tavon Austin, Lamar Jackson, like, like, he kind of reminds me
Host 3 (possibly DK)
of Percy Harvin, like, a little smaller version of Percy Harvin. And I look, Yes, I look back at Harvin's time, especially during his four years or three and a half years or whatever in Minnesota. His adot with them. And this was like an all Pro type player. And he was, you know, I think in the MVP conversation for a little bit for them, and his ADOT was 7 yards in that stretch. I mean, he was basically a gadget player in a lot of ways. I mean, he was, you know, running out of the slot and catching catch and run. He was being utilized as a running back in a lot of senses. I think Jeremiah Branch has that skill set. I don't think he's. Percy Harvin is. Was a special, special athlete. But I think Zachariah Branch, I don't know. I. Even though I know I shouldn't do this and I shouldn't believe in him, it's probably stupid. He's going to make me look dumb. I just think he's so fun. He's so fun to watch. So explosive. Let's do this. Put him on the Seahawks. Let's make some magic happen.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He's a thirst trap. He's the ultimate. Go home to your wife. Like, the flesh is weak. It's literally like, you're like, this guy sucks. He can't do anything. He's a gadget player. And then you turn it on and you're like, this is actually like one of the most special athletes I've ever seen play. He was the number one recruit as a receiver in his class. He was like number seven.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He was the number one player in the country.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Five star, went to usc. Like, every time he touches the ball, like college football players at big programs, they have no idea to tackle him. Like, the procedure angles are all wrong. Like, they've never seen anyone this fast or, like, agile. He could win the flag football game. The problem is he cannot catch. Like, he cannot catch. He's not a receiver. He cannot. He's no hand. I court. Like, he cannot catch a football. He's 5 8. He's 177.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He had, like, a 5% drop rate this year.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Which half his catches are behind the line of scrimmage.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's catching the ball.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He doesn't run rounds. It's actually insane.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Like, Gilmore, he can't skate.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, it literally is like that. It's literally like he can't skate. He can't do anything. Did you ever touch my puck? It's. But then you w. And you're like, this guy sucks. Obviously, he'll never be an NFL player. And then you watch him and you're like, holy. It's kind of like if Tavon Austin's highlight reel didn't have any long.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Tavon Austin.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He was before his time.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Tavon Austin has long catches on the highlight reel. Pull up Zachariah Branch highlight reel. It's all just screens that he then does not get touched and runs to the end zone. It's insane.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I know it. Look, the heart wants what the heart wants, as Greg said. And I. I just want him on my team. I don't.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So, like, worst case, he's like Kevante Turpin and returns punts and.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, sure, yes,
Host 3 (possibly DK)
that's like a. Not the most confidence inducing, but yes.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's like sliding in Sydney Sweeney's dms. It's like, you have no shot, but you're like, man, what if he's fun to watch?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I got to tell you.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, just like Sydney Sweeney. I bet to you too, you little freak.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I gotta say, I'm the only one Craig that's looked at Sydney Sweeney's Instagram account. All right.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I. I'm not even on Instagram. Also, I gotta say, I feel like Wanda Robinson is, like, officially the black sheep of the league. I feel like everyone just shit.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's like the sorry Christian Kirk. I'm glad he got paid. He can make. He can all tell us to go
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
the new Kristen Kirk. I just feel like everyone despair. Every, like, bad comparison. He's like, if Wanda Robinson could get a thousand yards. If Wanda Robinson gets paid catching strays.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, we need a name for that.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Because sometimes Tim Robinson meme where he's like, what the.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Sometimes we only acknowledge a number one receiver when they're like, well, if this is their best receiver, that's the only time we ever talk about the guy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Well, Wanda Robinson was literally a running back in college.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So I think Zachariah Branch should be running back.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I think he should just be an offensive weapon or whatever you want to call it.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
All right, the next guy here. Dk Is this man's name Jeremy?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Is it Jeremy or Jeremy?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think the idea is Jeremy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, really? No, he hyphens put in an extra syllable there.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's just Jeremy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Jeremy. I know it's Jeremy. Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Just say it quickly for those at home. It's spelled G, E, R, M, I,
Host 3 (possibly DK)
E. I think it's Jeremy, but it's Jeremy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
No, it's Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, Jeremy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah. Not Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Jeremy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, it's Jeremy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
We should just call him Bernard.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Can we Austin, somebody look this up?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
No, it's Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's Jeremy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's Jeremy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You're adding a syllable every time. I, I think it's two.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You're making it three syllables. Dk Saying it's two. It's like the name Jeremy without the middle syllable.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
There is no e in the Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Exactly.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You're saying Jeremy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I, I, I, I hop on the Alabama. However, it is spelled like Jeremy. Austin says he's seeing Jeremy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, that's how it's spelled.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
If it was, it's always sunny. It would zoom out and he would be like in the room with us, just listening, waiting for us to talk to him.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Anyway, Jeremy Bernard.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I think Jeremy's the coolest name out of all of them. Jeremy Bernard is cool. It sounds like he's in the 1950s. I like that.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's going to go viral.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay, anyway, sorry, Jeremy Bernard. Go ahead.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
By the way, the team calls him Unk because he's got the leadership leader, un.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Bernard. I, I think Jeremy Bernard is like if Debo Samuel and Robert woods had a baby.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
See, that is to me a great comp because calling him Debo Samuel is a bridge too far. He, he's not that explosive.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He ran the same 40 yard dash and 10 yard split as Debo. But there's no way he's as explosive or fast.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Like, it's.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I do think, however, and this was when I was watching him, I kind of kept coming back to. I'm like, man, this guy has really natural running talent. He, he could be a running back, I think. Yes, but he's. He, he. Because like the way he weaves through traffic, the way he lets blocks set up and then cuts off of them, sets up second level defenders kind of, you know what I mean? He has that natural vision and talent as a runner, and then he can explode away and. And beat pursuit angles and things like that. So he's really good after the catch, but he's also got strong hands. He blocks his ass off. And he. He lines up everywhere in the offense, like whether that's in the slot, on the outside, in the backfield, sometimes. In Wildcat, he's just a really fun place. Again, just another football player. Just does a little bit of everything for him. And yeah, I like the Deebo, Robert woods kind of comp because he's not quite. He's not as big as Debo and he's more explosive than Robert Woods.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
1, 206.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He's not as powerful as Debo and he's not as fast as Deebo. I'm not trying to argue he is, but he lines up every. He lines up everywhere. He literally can play X, he can play Y. He can play in the slot. He can literally. He. They line him up as a running back offset. They give him inline pitches like Travis Kelsey up the middle. They give him outside zones as a running back. They let him play quarterback. They let him throw on trick plays. They let him take this. There was a play late in the game on third and 10 in the. Late in the fourth quarter where the game was on the line and they let him take a direct snap and they let him basically have like an RPO or like an art, like a quarterback keeper. Like, do you know how much a staff has to trust a receiver to let him handle a third and 10 with under three minutes left in opponent territory? Like, he literally can do anything. Like, he's. So. It's competency porn. It's like we joke about John Wick reloading. It's. He can do everything. He's a. He's probably the best blocking receiver in the class. I think he has some of the best hands in the class. He. He ran for more touchdowns than he had drops in college. He's probably the best guy catching along the sidelines in the.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's got a good awareness of the sidelines too. He gets his feet. Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. He has yards after the catch. He's not that fast, but yet he always is going. He's like upfield yards after the catch. Like some fast guys will go like backwards or sideways. Like Zay Flowers going around. He just gets upfield. Like he does everything well. And so I know he always brings this up. He's like a switch everything defender. Like, he's B plus at everything. And I think that there is no elite trait. But the elite trait is that he actually can do everything as a B plus. So it's like the Robert woods does everything little, but the Debo is like he actually can do every, he can get the ball in any manner. It's really cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, he, he looks, I understand the Robert woods comp mixed with Debo because you're right, he's really not that twitchy, but he's just kind of big and fast enough and just like the momentum is always moving downfield.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's, it's like if you convinced Robert woods he was Debo Samuel. Right. And then he just did it. But I, yeah, I, I, I love Jeremy Bernard.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So where do you think he's going to go, DK in the draft?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Let's, that's a good question. Because the, I think opinions on them are pretty widely, like they're, they're anywhere from day two, like early day two, sort of second round area, all the way to late day two, early day three.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Because what's is the downside? He's like Traylon Burks or something. Even though trailer was just injured a lot, right?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, kind of.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think athletic. We can fix him. I think he's the third round pick. Jeremy Bruno is the third round pick. But I think it's because they like want like crazy athletes in round one and then like valuable positions where there's like production but not crazy athleticism at pass rusher. And then they're like, all right, we'll take some receivers here. But I think guys that without the athleticism fall the third round. But they're like guys who just know to play football. He's the classic example of a third round pick. And then you're going to look past them and you'd be like, oh my God, how did some of these guys go ahead of him?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I love Jeremy. I want him, I want him on the Steelers.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He'd be a great Steeler.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah. Number three guy behind Pittman and dk. Just a bunch of dogs.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Kind of like that, I think.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, I think that, yeah, a lot of teams could use it. The Dolphins is a perfect example of a team that could use him now.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Steelers. Okay. He doesn't make any sense for Miami. No way. All right, the next guy, the wide receiver, Casey Concepcion. Dk, this is a guy I know you're very high on.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Out of A and M. Why is he cool? And we should say he is 6ft tall, 196 pounds. Almost seems a little smaller when you watch him.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
To me, yeah, he, well, I think that's because he's so sudden, the way he moves. He's very, very sudden, explosive. And I think just if you're, if you're looking for a guy, to me who just pops when you watch him, in terms of his suddenness, his, his smoothness is getting in and out of breaks and running after the catch without hitching. So basically catching the football, not hitching and just smoothly transitioning to run after the catch. I mean, that is him in a nutshell. He reminds me so much of Brandon Ayuk when he was coming out of Arizona State. Basically just like kind of a raw guy. A little bit raw as a route runner. Maybe not like the most technical route runner, but you just saw the movement, skills and the explosiveness and that translated to obviously, Brandon Iuke's in a weird spot now, but also, Craig, you'd like this. I was talking to Greg Rosenthal about it. He said he saw a little bit of Luther Burden when he was watching Casey's Concepcion. And so I think it's just the suddenness, explosiveness. When he gets the ball in his hands, good things happen. He plays inside, outside, you know, And I think he's also a good Palmer Turner. He's just the type of guy, I think that's going to make a difference right away for a team. By the way, K.C. concepcion is a little bit misleading because K.C. is. It's like calling me DK Kelly. It's Casey is just Kevin Concepcion.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
But Concepcion's a sick day. Wait a second. With Jason Concepcion here at the Ringer. Concepcion's a great name.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Would he be a first rounder to you if his name was Kevin?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's a great question.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Kevin Concepcion.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think Kevin Concepcion is maybe not like the last round. Yeah, but Casey Concepcion might be like the 19th pick, very high. I Casey Concepcion. I mean, our friend Matt Harmon called him the best separator in the class and I agree. I he, it's just like the Jeff Goldblum, like, life finds a way. Like it just. I don't know how, but Concepcion is always creating huge plays and that's all these coaches want. And I, I the, you know, like the phrase 0 to 60. His 0 to 60 is really fast, but it's probably. He can't really get to 60. It's just 50. But his zero to 50 is incredible. Like he's the most explosive player that isn't that fast. His tops, like conceptions, top speeds, fine. But he can get to it instantaneously, which is kind of all that matters.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, for sure.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's also got great body control. The way he goes up in traffic and catches the ball. And again, like he transitions from catch to run so smoothly. I just love it. He's like, there's just no wasted movement with him.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Do you want the ick, Craig, or no?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
From about Casey?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, sure. The only ick is Ryan McChrystal had this Sharp Football, which is from Sports Info Solutions. Casey Concepcion's catch rate over expectation would be the lowest for a first round receiver in six years since Jalen Rager. Ooh, a lot of drops. But I do think the drops are youth concentration. I'm not focusing because I'm trying to make a huge play drop. Not like I'm dealing with another defender and can't catch it with, which is actually easier to fix. A guy who's not concentrating, like, just that's youth. I think it's a bigger problem if you're Quentin Johnson and can't catch a contested catch. So I actually think it's okay.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
But DK has him as the third wide receiver on his big board. He has Carnell, Tate, Makai Lemon, and then Casey Concepcion as his number three guy in front of Jordan Tyson and Denzel Boston and Omar Cooper.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I like him.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You stand by that? Okay. Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
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Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Next guy here we're going to move off of wide receiver Vega Yawani is how you pronounce it correct?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah. You want a you.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I think I can already hear Chris Berman. You want a piece of this? The guard out of.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You can do a better bourbon than that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah. Vega, you want a piece of this? I don't know. That was a little Chris Hansen. Dk, why do you like Ioane? The guard out of Penn State. Why. Why is he. Tell me why a guard is cool.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He makes guard. He makes being a guard look cool. It's like the old Will Smith thing. You know the difference between me and you? He is, first of all, he just kicks your ass. He's big, strong, physical guy who is going to create movement online, displace the line of scrimmage.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Here's the. Here's the
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
lead.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Hyphetz sent me a video where he was running. He would. Lined up in the slot, and then he ran like, a slice block and just annihilated a guy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You sent this guy into the shadow realm. They put a guard in the slot just to hit a God.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I was like, I want a guy on my team. That's what I want.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Dude, he's so mean. Like, all these dudes, like, mean. He. People are just on the. We don't have a word. We have a word for pancaking when an offensive lineman knocks a defender to the ground. And I'm watching this guy, and I was like, why don't we have a word for when the lineman knocked the defenders to the ground? Is that flapjack? Is it a waffle? Like, what the. Like, everyone's just. He just knocks everyone's ass over. He's so. He's. He's a badass. He's just. There's so much shoving to the whistle. Like, he's always hitting people, and it looks so hard.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Shoves a lot.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Looks painful. I, like, it's just sick.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
All right, so he's just. He's just your favorite, meanest shover in the draft.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Dude, he hits. You got to watch here. Wait. You got to watch him hit this fucking guy. But he's also not. This is video of him helping an equipment guy. Because it was like, I guess on a road game, someone's tunnel was kind of uphill, and the guy couldn't push this, like, giant basket of, like, the helmets up, and so he just hopped the fence and, like, starts pushing the guy, and the guy's, like, trying really hard, and then he has, like, one hand and just starts helping him.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That stuff goes a long way. Those videos. You got to help one guy out on camera and you're. You coast off that for a year.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, we got to stage next year. Craig. Watch him. Watch him hit the. Watch him play out of the slot. Watch this play.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, he's motioning across and he. Oh, wow. He just. Oh, double. He double pancaked him.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Mean.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Did he jump on him afterwards?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He Just like hit him to the ground, teased him, let him get up a little bit and hit him again. Damn.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
That's like asserting dominance over your little brother type. It's great.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You have him stay down. You have him 11th on your big board.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Okay, he's good.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Next guy here, Kaden Proctor.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
The tackle out of Alabama 67350. Craig. He can run like the wind blows.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Can I tweak this, DK?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Left tackle for Alabama 67350. DK left out. He got five carries last year.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, five kids left out. He didn't get into it yet. Maybe he was getting there.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
This is the exact same thing we did with Yoane, which is basically like get him to football in space and
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
he's going to huge and mean and
Host 3 (possibly DK)
people tried to tackle him. It looks like youth football. I don't. It's like. There's a famous video of Tyler Warren when he was in high school and he was like five times bigger than everyone else. This is like what it's like when he gets the football on the, you know, in the sec. And I remember he had a touchdown catch and run, or maybe it was like a. Just a handoff or whatever, but he rumbled down the line and there was like five guys trying to like bring him down and he just kept going. And then he like ran over a poor corner at the very end and then went into the end zone.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
This is great.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
So this is why he's cool because he's a very large man. Absolute unit. Look at the size of this lad
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
they lined up Proctor. They gave him a. They used carries. It was a screen. But against Georgia, like a real game. And then they ran a wildcat direct snap in the goal line versus Missouri, like, like the left. The starting left tackle at Alabama was put in the wildcat and just took a snap and direct and ran it as running back. They brought him in as a fullback and then actually gave him the ball versus Vanderbilt.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
And then they had to watch this video now too.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Vanderbilt, they had him as just an offset shotgun running back and they just handed him the ball. It's, it's, it's, it's. It's like. You think it's cool when they give Penne Sewell, like they throw the ball to him at midfield. Bamas just like actually gave him the balls of running back, a fullback and they're motion into trips and throwing him a screen.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It is funny because I feel like every time I watch one of these, it in my head, I'm like, oh, this is not going to work. He'll get knocked off his balance and fall down and then they actually just topple through. Like five guys like their children.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
And I'm like, maybe this should be more incorporated.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Should be more common.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, make them eligible receivers. Why are. Why can't the lineman be eligible? So let them be eligible.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay. Dk, you have anything else on Kaden Proctor? Is that.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
No, that's it.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't think he's that good as a left tackle, but I do like when he gets the ball.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
The next guy here. I'm gonna do my best Burt Reynolds from SNL Jeopardy. Impression and get this guy's name wrong on purpose. I'm gonna go Gabe Jackass.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So you're Happy Gilmore.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Is that this guy's name?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Jackass.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
That's. The pen is mightier. No, it's Akis. Apparently I got it wrong in the last one too.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That's definitely a. To get away from people saying jackass.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
This guy's name is Gabe's last name is spelled J, A C A S.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
When you, when you watch him, the Jackass music just starts playing in your head. It's like, hi, I'm Gabe and this is Jackass. And then he just absolutely destroys someone.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So it is Akis. It is a silent Jackus.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Akis.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Okay, I think they made it. I think they silenced the J silent or was the J silenced?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I don't know.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay. Gabe. Jackass. Jackass.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You know, I think I might have to change. You know who he reminds me of? My comp for him is Sack Lodge from Wedding Singer or Sorry from Wedding Crashers. You remember the scene where he hits Vince Vaughn when they're playing football and
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
he's like yes, Sack Lunch baby.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
The way that he clobbers quarterbacks, I feel bad for them legitimately. Any. Anytime he gets near a quarterback, I'm like running, hide, like lay down, pretend you're dead. Because he just absolutely takes over and clobbers people. He looks like he's made out of cement. Nature versus nurture, Lodge. Nature always wins. He's just great. He's. He's not very explosive. He is not very bendy. He's just strong as hell.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He also doesn't do any moves. He kind of just like runs at the tackle.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Well, he's good with his hands. He's a two time state champion wrestler. And so he understands leverage, he understands body control. He understands how to get under a guy pads and lift them off their spot. Essentially he's like a sumo wrestler. You know what I mean? He just goes through a guy and he had. He. I think he does have some moves in terms of like clubs and hump moves and things like that where he's. He's useful with his hands, but he's just not the most explosive or bendy guy. So he has to win with that power. But he's just fun to watch because, I mean, I'm not kidding. He. He had some of the hardest looking hits I've seen in my draft prep this year. Just guys going down like a sack of potatoes. I mean, he's a runaway beer truck.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He. Akis seems really motivated by like the pure violence of hitting another huge person.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And the reward is he gets to hit the quarterback. But he seems just as invested in hitting the tackle as he does as hitting the quarterback, which I can't really say.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I've seen crab cakes and football. I'm trying to find this guy's name, this actor. I don't know who he is.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Where is he?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I can't find him.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
What?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What? Brown. Dk. Like the shortcomings you described that access has. Where will he fall? You think?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He probably falls into the second round because of all. Because of the lack of explosiveness. He's not quite, you know, that first level, full first round caliber. But I do think he could sneak into the late first or probably somewhere in the second round.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't. Yeah, I don't think he also has the highest football awareness. But he does love hitting people.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I love that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I mean, so he basically. He should be on the show.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Jackass.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That kind of describes them, right? Not great awareness. I love hitting people.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay. The next two guys, these are. We're almost just adding them as a formality. Sunny Styles and Arvell Reese.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah. I don't know about this. After the pro day, though. Maybe not.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Was that a nick for you, DK? Did that move the needle? We are in phase two, so.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
No, I just. No, I'm 100 kidding. I think these guys are cool. They're maybe the two coolest players in the draft. It reminds me of the bash brothers, like McGuire and Canseco. Just two of the coolest teammates. You just want that aesthetic. They're both like explosive, big fast guys that can do a little bit of everything. They're just awesome. I. I don't even have any analysis. They're just cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I, I think Sonny Styles, Norville Reese, both playing linebacker at Ohio State in college together. We will look back on, like, Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Right Played receiver at Ellis, you with Joe Burrow and like Caleb Downs, Arvo Reese and Sunny Styles. But the fact that Sonny Styles and Arville Reese were both at the same position, I actually think they might just both be hall of Fame linebackers.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
God, that'd be wild.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And I don't know if we'll ever see two defenders quite that good. Play linebacker like again. They remind me of the Breaking Bad twins. Like, they're just like hitmen. They're assassins.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That is cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Oh, no one give a about them, I guess. Those guys aren't cool.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I haven't watched enough Breaking Bad to be honest to know what that reference means.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
But yeah, I guess my question is, do you think they're cooler than Jeremiah Love Dick. Are these the coolest people in the draft? Arvo Reese or Sonny Styles?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Together with their powers combined, they're the coolest player in the draft.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Sony cells, nicknamed after the Sunny Styles is pretty cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I know. His name really gets Sunny Styles.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Come on.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Sick.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
It's like a movie name.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, it's not, it's not Kevin Sunny Styles. It's pretty good.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's a good name year. Sometimes we have bad name years.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I agree. Good name here. Wide receivers have cool names. A couple of the edge rushes have cool names. I agree. All right, the next guy here is Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker out of Texas Tech, who has an absolute pillar on his upper lip.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He has a what? Oh, good mustache. Yeah, he does. He really does. He looks like he's about 35.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He's been married for three years. He's 24. He's been married for three Years.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
That's the face of a man who's 20.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Marriage for three years.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He'll be 244 in September when the season starts. He's been married three years and his wife is a Army Blackhawk helicopter pilot.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Wow. Okay, well, he's a good football player. Here's why he's cool. He reminds me of Mickey from Snatch. You guys have seen Snatch, right? The Brad Pitt character who just around with people and then punches them one time and knocks them out. That is, that is like.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Feels no pain.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think about him all the time. The way he talks. I think about him all the time. The time.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, it's probably my. But he is. He's so good at the peanut punch. I think he's had 13 career force fumbles.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He six most ever in college football history.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Lightning quick fist, like just lightning quick punch. He, he, he can be coming up to you and looking like he's about to Tackle you and then he just punches the ball out. It's. It's crazy how like effortless and consistent he is at doing it. So basically anytime you're around this guy, which is a lot because he, he's really rangy, has a great instincts in terms of getting to the football, sifting through the trash at the second level to get the ball. Great vision. He's a former quarterback, actually, so he had high school quarterback and, and he played pretty much every offensive skill position before switching to linebacker after a couple years in college. So he's a little bit older, but he just has a real knack for being around the football. And anytime he's around, you got to be like two hands on the ball because he will just punch that out, out. So he's just a really fun player to watch, really rangy. And I think he's the type of guy, you'll probably hear his name a lot next year wherever he lands, because he's just racking up a lot of stats.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Hi, Viet. Do you agree you like this guy?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, he's pretty sick. I mean, he won the Buckus award at linebacker, which is always like, usually a pretty cool player. And then he's kind of like the explosive play player of defense, where you're like, I don't know if on a down to down basis, Jacob Rodriguez is going to be like an amazing linebacker in the NFL, but he really just might be the best linebacker to ever come up through college football. Doing the peanut punch, like, I don't know, like, it's hard to be like, is that a skill or did you get lucky? But he literally had the sixth most ever, I believe, for fumbles of any football player ever. And so I'm kind of like, he might be a liability at times, but then he also might just leave be top five in turnovers in every season of the.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He'll be responsible for a couple crucial turnovers every year. And that's probably worth whatever he lacks.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Like every single play you're gonna be. He's gonna be punching. You're like, oh my God. Like, it's pretty cool.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, those ball skills don't really go like that translates.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I would imagine it typically does. Yeah. Especially in. On defensive players like corners, you typically see that transfer or translate to the NFL linebackers, things like that. It's just a nose for the football.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So that's. That's Jacob Rodriguez out of Texas Tech. All right. A few other guys here, you kind of bucketed these dudes together. Cornerback, corner is what we'll call it.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Three cornerbacks here. You have Avion Terrell, you have d' Angelo Pons. Unbelievable name. And then Keonte Scott. What makes all these guys cool to you?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You could just, you could almost mix and match their scouting reports and put them together and come up with the same guy because it's number one. Absolute maniacs on the field. Just high energy, high intensity, raise the, you know, the tempo and energy of the whole defense reminds me of like the what Devin Witherspoon kind of brings to the field. Why I loved him coming out is that he just every play is like the last play on earth kind of deal. He just plays so hard and that, that's. I think you see that a lot with Terrell, even Terrell from Clemson, d' Angelo Ponce from Indiana and Keonte Scott from Miami. And so these three guys, they're all kind of in that undersized outside corner slash, nickel corner, bucket. We're probably going to be nickels at the next level. But we've seen so many guys be really high impact players at the next level in that mold like Jalen Petrie or I always get his name wrong.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Petri Petrie.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Akis.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah. AKA so in that mold where they're kind of just defensive players that they do a little bit of everything. Blitzing, tackling, hitting and covering and just have like good instincts and coverage.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I love cornerbacks and receivers that are like small and play way above their weight.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Right.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Way above their size. I. Jaden Reed is one of my favorite receivers because he's a small guy and he beats the out of people. And like all these d' Angelo pawns. Avion Terrell was thinner and then counter. Scott are like maybe too small but they just play huge and I love them.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Terrell, Terrell and Scott are Both listed at 5:11. D' Angelo Pons, who's from Indiana, who followed Signetti from James Madison Indiana. 5 9.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And he had to pick.
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Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He sent Dante Moore back to college. He had the pick six on Dante Moore.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Unlike the first play of the game.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
On the first play of the game and he's just, he's just playing. D' Angelo Pons plays like a grown ass man. I have no idea where you take him.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I don't know where you take two inches taller. He'd probably be a first rounder.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah. And five eight. He's like short arms. Like there's a lot of issues those type of guys.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Dk when you're like this guy has all the skills. He would have been a first rounder, but he's just two inches short. I feel like that guy will still work out and be a later run pick and will be productive in the end.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
If you, if you get the Angela Ponds in the fourth round, I will be so thrilled. Like, that is like you are so happy to have a guy like that in your team. And I get if you don't spend the first three like one of the first three round picks on him, but he's the man. I will say I want to talk about Keonte Scott, the cornerback from Miami. I more and more than I l I feel like I'm saying more. I don't remember a player like this. I don't remember a player like Keonte Scott. He is 20. He's, he's going to be 25 years old as a rookie. As a Cornerback. He is 193 pounds. He ran a 433 at his pro day. He is, he plays that fast. I think he's the fastest player I've ever seen who genuinely loves tackling.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh yeah, he, he's a great tackler. He's a linebacker in a corner's body.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. He's like a 1990s neck roll linebacker. Woke up freaky Friday in a cornerback's body. He doesn't really know what to cover. Like, he's a bad cover corner, but he runs a 43 and he's great at blitzing and run D. And I don't, I like, I don't know. The last player that is as fast as him that I'm like is as good as maybe Champ Bailey who's like as good as tackling at him. It's, it's crazy to watch him play.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Also, we should say Keonte Scott has. He was on Miami last year. Before that he was on Auburn and before that he was at a college that's just called Snow.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. San Diego kid went to Snow.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Snow. Snow College. Dk. What state do you think Snow College is in? It's a community college.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Pittsburgh. Sorry. That's not a state.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Sorry.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Pennsylvania.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Utah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I looked it up. He, he said that there was one Walmart and one McDonald's in Snow, Utah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Living in San Diego. Snow is humble. One of the great culture shifts.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So you know what?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You can't grit, man.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You know what Kante Scott started doing after he had to spend a year in Snow Utah? He would buy air mattresses and sleep in the facility, which even if he got nil money, he continued to do so like last year at my.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
This guy's awesome, dude.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He like at Auburn. He was benched in 2024 in Auburn because. And then he like there was this court ruling for Diego Pavia, the quarterback at Vanderbilt that was like, juco doesn't count towards your eligibility, so you get another year of school. So counter Scott got a text that was like, juco ruling, you have another year. And he went to Miami and he basically was like, this is my shot to make it to the NFL. Like, I kind of fucked up last year. So he literally just bought an air mattress and slept in the Miami facility. And like, and he said, I just kind of wanted to stare up at like Ed Reed's jerseys and all their numbers and the banners of this guy. Just want to sleep and look at their names.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, yeah. He lives football. This is, this is what you talk about when, when you hear GMs and coaches talk about like, he loves ball.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Now some people would say that all about ball. Toxic relationship to work, maybe. But also it's crazy to watch a cornerback at 190lbs be at full speed running to like the middle of the line of scrimmage and just getting around a guard because the guard, like he's going. He's so fast and he just. I don't know, it's. He's. I'm fascinated to see what he's like. Like also, where do you take a 25 year old cornerback?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
And I was gonna say DK, second, third round. He's 24. Where do you think he's.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He'll go second or third round? Maybe third. I don't know. He. He's. Yeah, he is like that type of guy where the size concerns, the age concerns, missed some missed tackles on tape and, and like, I think he's a pretty good coverage guy, but not, maybe not as good as the other two corners that we were talking about here, Terrell and Pons. But, but it just depends on the, the coach and the team that thinks that they can utilize his skill set. I mean like, like Heifetz alluded to, he led all corners in pressures and stops this year. So he's blitzer. Yeah, great blitzer. Gets into the backfield. He just like has a knack for ducking and juking around would be blockers and getting into the backfield. I think he's got good instincts and coverage. He might, he. Maybe he's just a little bit stiff.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Well, maybe it's because he's sleeping on a fucking air mattress.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Maybe he should get a real bed.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah. Get a real mattress in there. It's Miami, you Get a lot of money, it's fine.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Shouts out shouts out La Mesa, where he's from, San Diego.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Nice.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Home of San Diego State.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't know why, but at 20, he's gonna be 25 in August. A 25 year old cornerback drafting him feels so much different. Akeem Messer. Look at how Miami and Indiana won. They have 24 and 25 year old men playing college football and it's like Indiana is like the. Almost as old as the Packers. Miami we're talking about. Akeem Messador is 24 going on 25. Keonta Scott's 24 going on 25. They're in college and I'm like, you could have been done with like a master's degree by now. But like it is weird at a position like cornerback where it's so speed based and like by the time you're even 29, 30, you're kind of aging out at cornerback. It's, it is the, the kind of position where I'm like, I actually do think about the second contract thing. One of the odds he has a great rookie contract and you're like, all right, cool, so he'll turn 29 and then you're giving him a second deal. But I also love the way he plays and I'm kind of convinced. Counter Scott. All the things coaches say you can't coach. Maturity and like the work ethic, speed and the willingness to tackle and be dirty in the running game and do dirty work. And I'm like, well, teach him to play coverage. He has all the other things you wish you all the other cornerbacks had. So I don't know. But also he's old. It's weird.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Well, the teams you need to win now, like teams like Seattle, things like that. I wonder if he'll end up on one of those teams where you don't really have to worry about the second contract as you get them in the building. You have him on a rookie contract and you can just like scheme them up and coach him up right now,
Host 3 (possibly DK)
especially if he's there in the late second, early third or whatever where it's not quite as big of a commitment. Yeah.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
So if, if you guys both had to choose one player from this list that you say is, is these number one coolest player in the draft to you, who are you picking? High. Fitz. I'll start with you. You. It seems like you really like Keonte Scott.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I guess by the nature of being cool, if you pick something mainstream that's kind of lame. So I guess the Mainstream. It's easy to say Jeremiah Love or Sonny Styles or. But I'm going to say Keonte Scott. I want the 25 year quarterback who runs a 43 and just loves tackling people.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I'll say Zach Zachariah Branch because I know I shouldn't like you, but I do, man. You're just too cool.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
He's just too cool. Yeah, not. Not a good actor. Just hot.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Just something. Something about the way he runs Bonk Love when the cars go by.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Not a good actor. But you're saying Sydney Sweeney's not a good actor. On the record.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That's not what I said. I saw the housewife. You did it? It's good.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's called the housemaid.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Whatever. Well, you know what? I turned it on.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You were clearly paying attention. Mine is Jeremy Bernard.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I like the way that Craig corrects people. The name is actually house made, but that's fine. You want to have a little bit of. Of the Will Ferrell Jeopardy thing going on there.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's not ape tit. It's a petite. Never mind. It's not Housewife. It's. You know what? Never mind. Okay, cool. It's not. I'll take ape tit for 300. I'll take the condom thing.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Wait, can I tell you one other. I'm sorry. Before we move on from cool Players, I have to tell you guys one other thing. So you guys know Elijah. Sarah Sarat. Speaking of names, I always get wrong. Sarah Sarat, the receiver at Indiana who I think is very good, but he's the one at the combine we talked about. He was like, oh, who's my first jersey I own? Michael Vick. And he was like, man, Michael Vick. He. He's a dog, right? I have found out that Ollie Connolly shout out. I pointed this out and I'm stealing it. So he has a Elijah. Sarah has a brother. Brother is named Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What do you mean?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
What do you mean?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What do you mean?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't know if it's government name, but they call him Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What do you mean? Jennifer Lawrence. What do you mean?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Like Method man in the wires? Just name Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What is his last name again?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
His real name's Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
How do. How do I look this man up?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
She's Sarat. S A R A T. Oh, I see him.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Elijah. No, wait, that's his brother.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Elijah is the receiver at Indiana who just.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
And Elijah's nickname is Waffle House.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
That is always open because he's always open even though he's not really always.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
This is an article In a newspaper that covers James Madison in Virginia where he. Where his brother plays. And they literally say was a defensive back, the younger Sarah on the outside receiver. Cheese was that defensive back in the slot. And he just talks about his. Yeah, Elijah's older brother, Cheese.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Great name. Great, great name. Cheese.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I. I can't find any. Anything that suggests his name is not Cheese.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Cheese is not on the Internet.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He's off the grid. Yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
He's the one person on earth that's not on the Internet.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, he's disconnected from it all. Good for him. Yeah, I. I can't. I can't prove that his name isn't Cheese.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Well, I think his name is Josh, but apparently everyone just calls him Cheese. And I'm talking, like, the people around him, even if they use his government name, Josh, then the rest of the article, they just call him Cheese.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
His government name. Okay.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Cheese became both mentor and motivator.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I did find. I found his Twitter account. Craig, what is it? It's Cheese Sarat.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Is it?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Well, it's F. F. Sorry, ftf. Cheese is. Is his, like, account.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I'll give him a follow.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
It just says Cheese.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You know, it's ironic is he's not smiling in this picture, which is kind of funny.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I can't find him. I don't know what to say. I'm like, I keep googling. I can't find him.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
All right, well, here, I'll find. We got an email here. And this is in part for you, Craig.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Okay.
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Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
This is from Rye. Rye, our bone rye breakfast spindrift, raspberry, lime water, and double espresso.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Whoa.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So Rye had the rare email where he hit multiple topics, and all the topics were like, I going to put this in the show. I'm not discouraging anyone, but sometimes I'll
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
pick it from Triple Axle.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. He actually landed everything. I'm like, all of this is actually worth discussing. Okay, so Ry started with just. We did the free agency Hangover last week, and we talked about the movie the Hangover. Ry wrote. One important point regarding the original Hangover movie that I haven't seen addressed anywhere is that the Hangover is a complete remake of the wizard of Oz.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Vegas is Emerald City, Louisiana Is Kansas. The drugs on night one are the tornado. The Scarecrow is obviously Zach Galifianakis. The Tin man with no heart is Bradley Cooper. The Cowardly lion is Ed Helms, and the Doug is Dorothy because he just wants to go home. Mike Tyson is the good Witch. Ken Jiang is the flying Monkey, and maybe also the wizard of Oz, and the baby is Toto.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Okay, is this, like, confirmed, or is this just an awesome theory?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't fucking know. But I couldn't really believe how well it all lines up.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
It all.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I wanted to talk to you guys about it because it rattled me quite a bit.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Wait, who's Mike Tyson?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He's a good witch. He's a good witch, I guess. I guess.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Okay, I. I'm sure there are holes in this, but I. I read this and I was like, I have to. I. That kind of blew my mind.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You know, it's funny. We just did the characters thing is.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Good.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
We just.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Rewatchables. It's coming out next week on LA Confidential. And there's also a theory that that movie is just a retelling of wizard of Oz, basically.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And maybe there's just, like, a archetype story that that wizard of Oz fits into, too.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I mean. Yeah, there's only, like, seven stories. They say it's, like, bucketed.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Because Ted Lasso. There's a good argument that Ted Lasso is also actually entirely based on, like, the wizard of Oz. Yeah. Because Ted is Dorothy and England is, like, Emerald City. And then Nate is the Cowardly Lion, Roy is the Tin man with no heart, and then Is the, Is the
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
older blonde woman the owner? Is that the. Is that Oz? She's.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Sorry, she's the Tin Man.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, she's the Tin Man.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Who's Oz? And then I'm for. I'm forgetting who Oz is. I forget. There was a really good theory, but the other point was. That would seem like a stretch, but Ted is from Kansas and they talk about the wizard of Oz all the time in the movie. They reference it constantly in the show. Yeah, in the show. Sorry, the show. The housewife. The movie.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That is really good though. I like that. I wonder if Todd Phillips. I wonder what he'd say if somebody brought that up to him.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I. Well, if you ever talk to him on the town. Craig, bring it up. Rise. Second part of this email. Point number two. As a 60 year old American male, no, I do not drink water. Because as a child.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
60.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
60.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Got it.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
As a child, there was no bottled water.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Water.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
If you were at a gas station, you drink it from the fucking sink or you bought a Coke like a regular person. We could not buy $3 bottles of water because they did not exist. But if they did, our dads would have beat our asses for not drinking from the hose. You guys are just too young to understand. Drinking from the high five was invented by the Dodgers in the late 70s, for fuck's sake.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
The high five was invented by the Dodgers in the 1970s.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Well, I think it was the Reds,
Host 3 (possibly DK)
but yeah, that's like an old. That's like a 60 year old man claim. That's like a Dusty invented the jump shot.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
We talked about this because Dusty Baker claimed that he received the first high five ever. There was a Reds player. Dusty Baker was like just kind of had his hand and Dusty Baker got high fived. And Dusty Baker was like.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I was like, what the Was that in 1970? I don't buy that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
High fives.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
We talked about this. You don't remember Dusty Baker saying he received the first high five? But then we looked into that like that's obviously fake. And we're like, he might have got the first high five.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You don't think gladiators were high fiving?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
No. Along with the LA Dodgers teammate Glenn Burke. Yes. Dusty Baker was on the Dodgers and his teammate Glenn burke. High fivedom, October 2, 1977.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
There's nothing new under the sun. The high five was not invented.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You know, the caveman were high fiving. Come on.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
We looked into this and we were stunned. If you weren't listening to high five
Host 3 (possibly DK)
is way too strong.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Way Too strong. Cavemen. The second they figured out fire, they were high. High five.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
High five in.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Email us if you remember the first. Like, when high fiving came to be. If you were like, grew up in the early. We should ask Bill if there were. No. When was he born? Oh, he's.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
He might be 69.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I think he was like 8. No, he's. He's. We need PE. Ask your parents. Or if you're old enough, ask him if people were high fiving in the early 70s.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
It's a good question. The earliest. Look, we got to use, like, actual memory here, not just the Internet search. The earliest memories of our. Of high fiving.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Beat 19. 1977, early 70s.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah. Okay. Cavemen, high fiving. And then the last point here from Rye. Rye says, as a longtime Packer fan, I want to prep Craig for life under Mike McCarthy.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, no.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's third and nine. You run a six yard out to DK. You run a six yard out To DK Metcalf, fourth and three Fullback, dive gains two yards. Stupid penalties. Now, using your shittiest Elvis voice, you say we're going to get that cleaned up 73 times and you won't have to bother with his postgame press conferences.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
To be honest, that sounds. That sounds par for the course for the Steelers have been doing the last five years on offense. That's some Matt Canada shit. So I'm down. Why not? That sounds horrible. God damn it. That's horrible.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You know what, though? Jeremy Bernard. Or Jeremy Bernard, if he's on there. If Jeremy's there, it's all gonna be okay.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I will be excited. But yeah. Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy reuniting is. I don't know what's like. It's like the sad version of a Hollywood duo getting back together. Like Clint Eastwood's making another movie.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Great.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The last one here, that I will. I want to read. It was about Lewis and Clark.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, yeah, right.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's from Brendan B.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Bone.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And Brendan writes breakfast, cup of coffee and a 6 milligram Velo Velocity. I feel old because I don't. That is. Is that a Zinn?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Don't know.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Velo.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It's a Zen, Nick. A kick. I don't know what that is. I don't know if it gets you off Zen or is in medium strength nicotine pouch.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
There's a. There's a Zinn for Zen.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
I don't know. It's a nicotine. It's off brands in expensive Zen. I don't know. Anyway, Brandon writes you guys are Talking about Lewis and Clark. I don't have much to add, but I'm from illinois, across from St. Louis. So long story short, they learned about Lewis and Clark a lot in high school. And he says, unfortunately, I don't remember much except that their dog's name was Seaman.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Okay, now it's Seaman, right?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
With an A. But it is. The dog's name was Seaman. And there is a lengthy Wikipedia article for Seaman, the Lewis and Clark dog.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Do you think anyone made fun of them for that on their expedition?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That was exactly where I wanted to go. Craig, I was wondering. Speaking of how old the high five is, I was wondering if this was funny or not.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I'm Lewis, this is my partner Clark, and this is our dog, Seaman. You think a guy's like. I was like, how are we gonna
Host 3 (possibly DK)
get the people that we encounter to respect us with a dog named Seaman?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The waxahachie just cackling.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
It was a newfie. A Newfoundland.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It was a Newfoundland.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, big boy.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Big boy.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It was a huge dog. In fact, many native American tribes were shocked by how big the dog was.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Over under on how many years that dog lived? Five and a half.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
No, I think it wild. Made it a while.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Really?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
At one point, one of the dog survives, so it's okay. But one of Seaman's arteries in his hind leg at one point during the trip was severed by a beaver bite.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Oh, my God.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Wait, a beaver bit? Semen.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, God.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
You get rabies or something like that? Semen got rabies.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Stop calling him semen. Semen got rabies. I don't know why I can't handle that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That's good.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
The dog outlives Lewis.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, damn. Wow.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
It made it back.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Dude. He was £150.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That has to be a lie. There's no actually. Well, no, no, I have friends. I have a new fee. And no, it probably was 150 pounds.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
The dog patrolled all night to warn of bears. I love this dog.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Dog. Yeah, it's a pretty great dog.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Once had to drive a buffalo off their camp.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah. So anyway, by the way, my.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
My mother in law emailed me after we did the last pod. She has the. The book Courage Undaunted and says it's great Undaunted Courage.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You should read it. We also have to DK next episode. You have to start bringing the book we have on famous.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Oh, right.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
War heroes who are also athletes. You're gonna have to start doing Tell me about the war, grandpa, as we get close to do the draft here.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Hell yeah. I can't wait for that. There's. There's some good anecdotes in that.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yeah, that one's great. Okay.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
But I believe there's also a book called Of Courage Undaunted.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Really?
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
What? Is it also about Lewis and Clark? Is that about the Chris Farley journey to beat them?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It. These are two different books about Lewis and Clark, I believe.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Undaunted Courage. And then there's Courage Undaunted.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
It's Of Courage Undaunted.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
No, wait. Well, Courage Undaunted is written by Stephen Ambrose. Of Courage and Daunt is written by James Doherty.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yes. And then there's also Undaunted Courage.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So is that like the name of their ex? Did they name it? That's kind of wild. You think they'd call it something else. Yeah, well, one was published in 1951. The other was 1996.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah. Of Courage Undaunted. 1951. Undaunted Courage 96.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And the guy who wrote it in 96 is probably like, thank God he didn't use Of Courage. Like, he can't believe he left Undaunted Courage on the table. Yeah.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I don't know. Maybe it's just like a shout out to the original book.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Probably.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Okay. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to everyone. Emailed. Email us. I'll take other famous animal Wikipedias. As always, still looking for a Void tech. The Bear. If anyone wants to tangle with VTech, email us.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
We're looking for somebody who can unseat Voytek.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Still looking. Or Mike Dadless Chicken. We'll take either War Animals Expeditioners or Mike dad this chicken. If anyone wants to compete, find me
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
something better than a headless chicken choking on a colonel to his death.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
You have to read that again. Thank you to. Also thank you to the guy in the part of Colorado where Mike, they had this chicken died that sent us the. The shirts from the festival. Yeah. Thank you to other people. Emailed us. What are the email prompts again?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
I don't know.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Oh, oh. If you have anything else on the other movies being the wizard of Oz, but I really do want the animal Wikipedia articles.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
The most interesting Wikipedia animals.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, yeah. Stories of animals. The most famous animals in history.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Yes. Or animals who've won medals. I love that. War medals.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And I want to thank you to the Discord mods. We have Swish, Beef, bfp, Moose, S Bone, and K Bone. Shout out to mods.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
And cheese.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
And cheese. Cheese is gonna become a mod too. Join the Discord. And thank you, Lord, Lord.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Thank you, Three Dog Night.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Nice do they sing Shambhala or however that's pronounced house?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I don't know.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
Three Dog Night. What do they do?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Shambala.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah, I.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
So do you know them or are you googling dog band frantically at the end?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Three Dog Night?
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
They do. They do do Shambala, right?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Yeah, they do.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Yeah. You like that, Poll? Come on.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
That was a good job. That was impressive, Greg.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
That's a great song.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Seaman would have gotten that.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Seaman's still alive, I think, in spirit. Dude, Shamble is a great song. Throw that on when you can't picture it. You'll have a blast.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I do the Mama Told me not to come one. That one's good.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Excuse me?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Mama told me not to. I didn't write it. Look, I don't know. I'm not interpreting. Interpreting the lyrics.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Wow.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
I didn't say mama don't come.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Okay, sorry. What did you say?
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Mama told me not to come.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
Right. That's so much better.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
Mama don't. Mama said don't come.
Host 2 (possibly Craig)
What the fuck is the difference? Mama told me not to come.
Host 3 (possibly DK)
You're right. They're pretty similar.
Host 1 (possibly High Fitz)
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Episode: Coolest Players in the 2026 Draft, an Eagles–A.J. Brown Theory, Zachariah Branch Thirst Trap, and Seaman the Dog
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
Date: March 26, 2026
This episode celebrates the “coolest” prospects in the 2026 NFL Draft—players who aren’t just talented, but have an undeniable swagger or fascinating backstories. The trio also riffs on NFL scheduling quirks, an Eagles–A.J. Brown theory, viral player names, and even a legendary expedition dog. The tone is playful, irreverent, and packed with deep football nerdery.
[02:00–05:00]
Weird NFL Kickoff:
NFL season opener is shifted to Wednesday night. Seahawks (as defending champs) play Wednesday, then Rams–49ers play Thursday in Australia (actually Friday morning local time).
Eagles Sign Elijah Moore (A.J. Brown's Bestie):
[06:20–07:50]
[07:09–14:16]
Why He’s Cool:
Draft Range Debate:
[14:16–18:08]
[18:09–24:42]
[24:41–30:13]
[30:13–33:56]
[34:46–37:16]
[37:19–39:38]
[39:38–42:48]
[42:48–44:34]
[44:49–47:43]
[47:43–55:49]
[55:20–56:14]
[61:20–62:20]
[63:37–65:15]
[66:52–69:11]
| Topic | Timestamp | |----------------------------------|----------------| | NFL scheduling + Eagles news | 02:00–06:20 | | Jeremiah Love | 07:09–14:16 | | Jonah Coleman | 14:16–18:08 | | Zachariah Branch | 18:09–24:42 | | Jeremy Bernard | 24:41–30:13 | | Casey Concepcion | 30:13–33:56 | | Vega Ioane (Guard) | 34:46–37:16 | | Kadyn Proctor (OT) | 37:19–39:38 | | Gabe Jacas/Akis (EDGE) | 39:38–42:48 | | Styles & Reese (Bash Bros) | 42:48–44:34 | | Jacob Rodriguez (LB) | 44:49–47:43 | | Cool Corners (Terrell, Ponds, Scott) | 47:43–55:49 | | Hosts' picks for #1 Coolest | 55:20–56:14 | | Cheese Sarat & Name Tangent | 57:19–59:14 | | Wizard of Oz/Hangover Theory | 61:20–62:20 | | High Five Origin Debate | 63:37–65:15 | | Seaman the Dog | 66:52–69:57 |
Best Quote for the Vibe:
"The moment your team takes Jeremiah Love, you're like, shut up nerds. This guy’s sick and you’re going to have the best fucking time." – Danny Heifetz [11:22]
| Player | Position | “Cool” Factor / Comparable | Draft Range | |---------------------|-------------|-------------------------------|--------------| | Jeremiah Love | RB | Explosive, stylish, "avatar" | Top 7 picks | | Jonah Coleman | RB | Bruising, core strength | Day 3 | | Zachariah Branch | WR | Gadget, irresistible athlete | 1st–2nd Rd | | Jeremy Bernard | WR | Versatile, glue guy | Day 2/3 | | Casey Concepcion | WR | Separator, sudden | Rd 1 bubble | | Vega Ioane | OG | Meanest shover, mauler | 1st–2nd Rd | | Kadyn Proctor | OT | Big man gets the ball | Day 2 | | Gabe Jacas/Akis | EDGE | Runaway truck, loves violence | Day 2 | | Sonny Styles/Arvell Reese | LB | Bash Bros, “assassins” | Rd 1–2 | | Jacob Rodriguez | LB | Mustache, peanut punch | Mid Rounds | | Avion Terrell, D’Angelo Pons, Keonte Scott | CB | Undersized but fierce | Early–Mid Rds |
Highly Recommended If You Love:
NFL draft talk with personality, name debates, and sports podcasting for people who want the hangout as much as the analysis.