Eagles-Cowboys Reaction, Spitgate, McCaffrey NOT AGAIN, and Full Week 1 Preview

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: Eagles-Cowboys Reaction, Spitgate, McCaffrey NOT AGAIN, and Full Week 1 Preview

Date: September 5, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Overview

The trio—Heifetz, Kelly, and Horlbeck—kick off the real fantasy football season with a post-Eagles-Cowboys (Week 1, 2025) reaction episode that hits all the major news and narratives: an eventful game (and lightning delay), "Spitgate" between Jalen Carter and Dak Prescott, the Christian McCaffrey injury bombshell, and a robust, spirited preview of the entire NFL Week 1. Interwoven are debates on fantasy start/sits, power rankings, betting strategies, and their quirky, relatable fantasy meltdowns.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles-Cowboys: Chaos From the Opening Snap ([03:07]–[22:23])

• Game Recap: Eagles defeat Cowboys 24-20, in a bizarre contest with a 45-minute lightning delay.
• Wild Start: Even before the first snap: McCaffrey calf injury news drops, cart offs on the opening kickoff, and the now-infamous “Spitgate.”
• Game Flow: “There were no fucking points after the goddamn lightning delay.” — Danny Kelly [06:18]
  • First half ended with 41 points; only 3 points were scored in the entire second half.
• Wide Receiver Woes:
  • CeeDee Lamb has several crucial drops late, despite a good game statistically.
  • A.J. Brown: “He had zero targets until, like, the last two minutes of the game.” — Heifetz [08:12]
• Physicality and Emotions: Game defined as much by attitude and chaos as by football.

2. Spitgate: Jalen Carter vs. Dak Prescott ([08:24]–[14:14])

• What Actually Happened:
  • Initial angle: Carter appeared to spit on Dak unprovoked, leading to immediate ejection.
  • On further review: Dak spat near Carter first—“Just spitting at the ground, being like, bitch, like, you’re on the wrong side of the line.” — Heifetz [10:50]
  • Carter retaliates directly, spitting at Dak’s chest plate.
• Debate: Where does spitting rank on the scale of disrespect in football or life?
  “It’s like punching is higher, but, like, spitting is high.” — Craig [12:58]
• Humor & Culture:
  • Callback to infamous "Han shot first" Star Wars controversy.
  • “Should we edit the video to make it look like Jalen Carter spit first?” — Kelly [14:21]
• Fantasy Impact: Jalen Carter’s absence changes the Eagles' defense for the rest of the game.

3. Vibes & Overreactions: Old Guys, Coaches, and Fantasy Meta ([15:14]–[22:09])

• Cowboys vs. Eagles Vibes:
  • Despite losing, Dallas “seems way more competent than I thought” — Kelly [15:26]
  • Coaching, roster moves with Micah Parsons, and Eagles’ O-line injuries analyzed.
• Fantasy Standouts:
  • Javonte Williams, despite only 3.6 ypc, looks healthier; Dallas Goddard gets significant targets; Jalen Hurts does his typical fantasy magic.
  • Hurts stat line: “19 for 23, 152 yards passing, 62 rushing yards, two touchdowns. That is it.” — Heifetz [17:46]
• Coordinator Talk: New Eagles OC called “unremarkable”; Eagles offense, despite good OL protection, was “uninteresting” and “safe.”

4. Christian McCaffrey “NOT AGAIN” ([22:25]–[32:26])

• Timing: McCaffrey’s calf injury bombshell drops moments before the season opener. Hosts are emotionally devastated.
  • “I feel like I got hit by a flashbang in Call of Duty.” — Kelly [03:39]
• Fantasy Fallout:
  • Heifetz cursed by his overexposure: “I actually achieved Jalen Hurts and McCaffrey five times. I didn’t know I could do that…” [24:09]
  • Brian Robinson’s trade to the 49ers now looks crucial if McCaffrey is out.
• Advice:
  • Debate on whether to trade or hold Brian Robinson; discussed his three-down potential for the 49ers.

5. Meta Fantasy Pain & Advice ([32:26]–[33:43])

• The heartbreak of being “all-in” across leagues.
  • “I felt nothing. Nothing. Everything’s over.” — Kelly [32:08]
• Seasonal Lessons:
  • “Don’t trust Kyle Shanahan and draft a running quarterback. And I wish I’d just done one of those things.” — Kelly [32:59]
  • Caution against too many leagues and overexposure to injury-prone stars like CMC.

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Week 1 NFL Preview: Major Bets, Picks, and Storylines

6. The Ringer 107 Betting Contest Explained ([34:16]–[36:01])

• The show will compete with all Ringer football podcasts on 107 NFL bets (spreads) through the season.
• Bragging rights (and maybe a trip to Vegas) are on the line.
• “Bill texted the group … and guess who was last? We’re in dead last.” — Heifetz [35:48]

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7. Game-by-Game Fantasy & Betting Preview

Chiefs vs. Chargers in Brazil, Friday ([36:39]–[40:13])

• “Week 1 offenses usually stink, so the move is to bet underdogs and points.” — Kelly [37:37]
• Stay-away pick due to travel/field uncertainty and both teams' volatility.

Steelers at Jets (Aaron Rodgers revenge!) ([45:18]–[52:09])

• Heifetz: “I’m excited for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers...Don’t want Kirk Cousins. Don’t want Justin Fields.” [47:09]
• DK: Skeptical of Jets; worries about Rodgers’ slow starts.

Raiders at Patriots (Battle of Vibes) ([52:32]–[55:04])

• Pete Carroll returns to NFL with Chip Kelly OC for Raiders.
• Geno Smith seen as the biggest instant upgrade; Patriots have youth and major projection.

Giants at Commanders ([57:33]–[60:14])

• Heifetz makes sharp case for Giants +5.5: “Washington covered five and a half points literally one time in the last five years.” [58:55]
• Divisional “weirdness” and Russ Wilson optimism make the Giants attractive at this line.

Bucs at Falcons ([61:35]–[64:39])

• Todd Bowles vs. rookie Michael Penix; Bucs favored by 1.5.
• “If Penix beats the Bucs in his first start, cool. That’s all right—I’ll take that L.” — Kelly [63:33]

Bengals at Browns ([64:55]–[67:36])

• Spread stinks: only -5.5, causing suspicion.
• Joe Burrow’s first healthy offseason; Browns start Joe Flacco; Caution, but likely Bengals firepower prevails.

Colts at Dolphins ([73:48]–[76:16])

• “Why the fuck are the Colts favored in this game?” — Heifetz [73:48]
• Dolphins with healthy Tua win 65% of their games; consensus pick.

Other Noteworthy Storylines

• Cam Ward’s tough Titans debut in Denver (Broncos -8.5): “I just don’t love this for Cam Ward.” — Craig [78:46]
• Several games flagged as tossups or stay-aways due to too many variables (new coaches, rookie QBs, banged-up lines).

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8. Betting Strategy & Consensus Picks ([96:26]–[103:01])

Final Five Bets Voted On For Ringer 107 (with explanations):

1. Dolphins +1.5 at Colts: Fade Daniel Jones’ new team with healthy Dolphins.
2. Lions +2.5 at Packers: Despite the Packers hype, take Detroit’s proven edge in the matchup.
3. Broncos -8.5 vs. Titans: Rookie Cam Ward’s debut at altitude—bet the house on Denver’s D/Sean Payton.
4. Buccaneers -1.5 at Falcons: Trust Todd Bowles against rookie Michael Penix.
5. Cardinals/Bengals Moneyline Parlay: Both are favored—parlayed for better odds.

• “Bet against rookie QBs and Daniel Jones week 1,” becomes the running theme.
• Emphasis on taking the points; avoid oversimplifying favorites in messy Week 1.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Spitgate:
  “If you spit three times on national television, she [Olivia Wilde] will pop back.” — Kelly [08:54]
  “It’s always the retaliation who reacts. Little brother syndrome.” — Hyperth [11:39]

• On McCaffrey:
  “I think I’m permanently altered as a person. I don’t think I’ll ever be changed.” — Kelly [31:07]

• On Betting & Pain:
  “If Daniel Jones beats us in Week 1, then like, all right, that’s funny. Whatever. I can sleep at night.” — Kelly [76:26]
  “The games I want to bet on are not the games I want to watch. And the games I want to watch are the games I don’t want to bet on.” — Kelly [82:22]

• On Life Lessons:
  “Don’t trust Kyle Shanahan and draft a running quarterback. And I wish I’d just done one of those things.” — Kelly [32:59]

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Fun & Weirdness

RedZone Commercial Outrage ([40:10]–[44:46])

• Laments new RedZone commercials:
  “They’re raising the temperature a little bit so you don’t realize when you start sweating.” — Heifetz [40:55]
• Akin to AMC’s CEO justifying more pre-movie ads:
  “We were giving away free money.” — [42:25]

Lefty Snail Saga / British Political Snail Puns ([104:00]–[111:15])

• Craig, as a lefty, is amused by story of a “rare lefty snail seeking another lefty mate.”
• Wild digression into snail copulation logistics, political puns (Jeremy Corbyn = “Jeremy the snail,” attempts to mate with a righty Teresa May).
• “He’s literally an in-shell.” — Kelly [106:56]

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Episode Schedule & Resources

• Weekly In-Season Recording:
  • Sunday Recaps (recorded Sunday night)
  • Monday: Waiver Wire + Monday Night Football Reaction (posted Monday night)
  • Wednesday: Power Rankings
  • Friday: Weekly Preview (this show)
• Fantasy Rankings:
  fantasyfootball.theringer.com (weekly ranks updated every Thursday)

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Useful Timestamps

• 03:07 – Lightning delay and game’s chaotic open
• 08:24 – Spitgate analysis
• 17:18 – Fantasy fallout for Eagles/Cowboys (Brown, Goddard, Hurts)
• 22:25 – McCaffrey’s injury & fantasy implications
• 35:48 – Ringer 107 betting contest odds
• 45:18 – Rodgers/Steelers preview
• 57:33 – Giants/Commanders divisional spread discussion
• 63:33 – Bucs/Falcons, Bowles vs. Penix
• 73:48 – Betting: Dolphins/Colts, final picks
• 104:00 – Lefty snail sidebar

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Tone & Style

In true Ringer Fantasy style: irreverent, ranty, self-deprecating, loaded with meme and pop-culture references, fast-paced debate, and a throughline of commiseration and humor for the fantasy faithful.

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Summary for New/Skimming Listeners

The Ringer crew shakes off Week 1’s chaos, picking through wacky real-world NFL headlines (“Spitgate,” CMC’s curse, RedZone’s mini-commercials), offering candid fantasy and betting takes, and previewing every week 1 matchup with both fantasy and gambling angles. Whether you want to win your league or fade the field in a betting pool, the main (and unpredictable) insight: Week 1 is always weirder than you think—so keep your lineups and wagers nimble, and maybe, just maybe, don’t fall in love with the first lefty snail you see.

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Transcript

[Danny Kelly]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyperth. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Craig World back. And football's back, baby. Back. We're back.

[Danny Hyperth]

It made us wait.

[Danny Kelly]

It made us wait. It edged us. It just withholds a lot. Yeah, Lightning. It was electric. Okay, so we're to go through Sunday Night Football. We're going through all the other games happening this weekend. Sunday, Monday. Also, there's Friday games. All that jazz. We're going to explain this weird Ringer 107 gambling thing we're going to do all season. We're going to compete and beat all the other podcasts on the Ringer network competing in football. We're going to go. But first, want to give you our schedule for in season if you've been with us for the entire off season, preseason. We're in the real season now. So Craig, please tell them when we're recording. Also, tell me.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, if you were thinking, man, these guys put out a lot of podcasts. You just wait, buddy. We were doing three a week in August. We do four a week in the regular season. So we're going to be taping Sunday night after the games. That's going up immediately. We're taping Monday night after Monday Night Football. That's new. We'll be doing waivers and Monday Night Football reaction. That's going up Monday night. And then we'll be doing Wednesday Power Hour and Friday Preview, which is the show you were listening to right now, four days.

[Danny Kelly]

So we're doing that allseason. So thank you to everyone who's listening to us. My voice is dying.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know. What happened to you?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. That was weird.

[Danny Hyperth]

He's been yelling about Christian McAffrey, I think for the last three hours because he drafted him in every league.

[Danny Kelly]

It's probably the weeping. Okay, Craig, you have to tell them at the rankings and the. I don't know. Craig, take over.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. So also, we had our Ringer fantasy football draft guide@fantasy football.the ringer.com that is now transitioning into our weekly rankings. So you can check that out. Every week we have our rankings up. We'll be putting them up before the Thursday games on Thursday morning. So check those out as well. Those are up right now. You can go look at those. Fantasy football.theringer.com that's why I asked Craig, look at this.

[Danny Kelly]

DK doesn't know. The URL years of us doing this. DK doesn't know. Do you know the URL fantasy footballinger.com it's an email. God.

[Craig Worldback]

Anyway, fantasy football.theringer.com it's funny that.is just special word.

[Danny Kelly]

It is.it's weird, you know. All right, we're get to Sunday football and literally every other game, but let's take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy football show is presented by Hyundai. The all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid proves that an incredible SUV is so much more than the sum of its parts. It's more than a spacious interior. It's more than being able to navigate difficult terrain. And it's way more than driving farther than you ever thought possible. It's the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid. So much more than just another SUV. Visit Hyundai USA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details. All right, let's get to Sunday Night Football. I've survived whatever happened to me moments ago. I don't even know where to begin with all this. I mean, literally not even one snap into this game. Like zero snaps between the kickoff.

[Danny Hyperth]

Did you say Sunday Night football?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, sorry. It's Thursday football. Cuz they call it Sunday night Football on Thursday night.

[Danny Hyperth]

And to. I was just.

[Danny Kelly]

That's how strong the branding is. It overwhelms my ability to do it is. They do call it Sunday football on Thursday, but you're right. Yeah, Thursday football. Sorry, Whatever, man. The it just make it all confused.

[Danny Hyperth]

We don't know where we are, what time it is. They delay the hour.

[Danny Kelly]

Mike Tico so casually, it's like, yeah, the 45 minute delay. We'll be on in like an hour.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm like, I just, I wanted to make sure I knew what day it was. That's why I corrected.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, the lighting delay was crazy. So anyway. But I could. This game was crazy because not only was the lightning delay literally, I mean moment. I mean, we'll get to that later. But moments before kickoff, minutes before kickoff, it's like Christian McAffrey has another caf injury. So I'm reeling. I feel like I got hit by a flashbang in Call of Duty. Like, you know, it goes white and it's like a movie. It's like ringing in your ear. Oh my God, what is happening? Can't hear anything.

[Danny Hyperth]

The Mr. Krabs meme.

[Danny Kelly]

Everything's blurry. I'm like, don't give a shit about the first kickoff, the NFL season. I am reeling for all these teams. They have Christian McCaffrey on. Then I just see someone's getting carted off from the opening kickoff. And then Jaylen Carter is being escorted away by Big Dom because he has spit in Dak Prescott's face, which we will get to. And then I get a push notification from ESPN that Caitlyn Clark's out for the season. There's not been a single snap in this game. All those things happen.

[Danny Hyperth]

Caitlyn Clark is out for the season.

[Danny Kelly]

All that stuff happened in like eight minutes.

[Danny Hyperth]

What happened to Caitlin Clark?

[Danny Kelly]

I. A groin injury. I think the same thing kept her out of the All Star Game. I don't know. But, like, all this happened. I actually was so overwhelmed. The game had not even begun. And anyway, I can't even. So anyway, it was just crazy thing. We'll get to the McAffy thing later. This episode is brought to you by Wayfair. Your home, it's more than a space. It's where you express yourself. Like, we've all got our setup for when the guys are over, right? So my thing, when, when, when everyone's just around watching a game, watching a movie, whatever it is, I. I go for, I want a corner couch. If it's a L shaped couch, I want the corner. That to me is like, I don't know if it's the alpha spot, but I'm like, I. That's where I. That's like the Nestle. That's the cozy. That's where I want to be. And if that's not available, any kind of, like, single chair, like, where I'm not on the couch. Like, if it rocks. Unbelievable. Recliner, I'm in heaven recliner, cup holder, full leg extension. Like, that is the dream. Because you can kind of get up whenever, but you're laying back. It's the best of every world. Like, that's the goal to me. So, however, whatever your vibe, Wayfair has every style for every home. They've got all your home essentials, storage solutions, decor, and more all in one place. I used Wayfair. So Jackie and I, we got a rug. And I'm not going to lie, I realized that Big Lebowski, they were right, like, the right room. The right rug really does bring the whole room together. It's so nice to walk on. I just. It's the nicest rug I've ever owned. And I didn't realize how much that would bring me joy. Maybe I'm just getting older in life, but I didn't realize that a really, really, really nice area rug just would bring me a ton of joy. But it does get inspired with room ideas and Easy to shop collections, all with everyday ways to save. Shop everything [e-mail] with free and easy delivery straight to your door. That's W-A Y F A I R.com Wayfair Every style, every home. I mean, so, score. Eagles won, 24 to 20.

[Craig Worldback]

Oh, right.

[Danny Kelly]

Which is bizarre, all this. I almost joked that we should just do the show during the lightning delay. There were no fucking points after the goddamn lightning delay.

[Danny Hyperth]

There was literally 21 points in the first half. Or, sorry, 41 points in the first half. And I was like, we're cooking. This is the best football I've watched.

[Danny Kelly]

Three points.

[Danny Hyperth]

Three points in the second half.

[Craig Worldback]

Do you want me. Austin Gale fired up the. The old stat machine. There's rolling Brownouts on the west coast because Austin Gale's in the lab doing some research.

[Danny Kelly]

Read. Read this. Yeah, read the thing off this.

[Craig Worldback]

Obviously, you can get this just in the game book, but that's fine. Here's. Here's how the game went. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. Touchdown. Field goal, Touchdown, field goal, field goal. Fumble, delay, Punt, punt, punt, punt, Punt downs, kneel downs. Ah, brutal.

[Danny Kelly]

Brutal. It literally makes me feel so stupid for, like, waiting through it where I'm like. I'm like, oh, this game could be even better. It could be epic. And then it was like. Oh, it was almost like it really sapped the energy from the entire game.

[Danny Hyperth]

This was a weird game in. In hundreds of ways.

[Danny Kelly]

It felt like, well, the Cowboys got rid of their best defensive player when Jerry Jones metaphorically spit on the fan base. And then the Eagles got rid of their best defensive player when he literally spit on Dak Prescott.

[Danny Hyperth]

Do we want to do that now?

[Danny Kelly]

I do it.

[Craig Worldback]

We should.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's get to that in a moment. I want to just address quickly the CD Lamb thing of, like, CD Lamb kind of being blamed for the drops at the end, where it's like, the third drop wasn't a drop. That was hard. The other two were definitely drops. Dak Prescott also definitely missed a couple touchdowns, but also AJ Brown had one catch at the end to seal the game, kind of to make it, like, third and three. So just a bizarre game where CD Lamb had a good game, but also didn't play, like, didn't play well and lost kind of the game for the Cowboys. And then A.J. brown had one catch, literally. Carlos got on the game.

[Craig Worldback]

He got on the recording before we started recording this pod, and he was like, I'm not even going to be here for work. I just wanted to tell you. A.J. brown had one catch.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Just so if you're miserable.

[Danny Hyperth]

He had one target. He had zero targets until, like, the last two minutes of the game.

[Danny Kelly]

He never had zero targets in a game his entire career. And then that was the last ones. But, yeah, we have to talk about.

[Craig Worldback]

I love fantasy.

[Danny Kelly]

We have to have the spitting thing with Jalen Carter. I, I. So what is. So what is? Spit gate. So Jalen Carter spit on him and he was literally like. Yeah, ejected before the first play of the game.

[Danny Hyperth]

Spit on that thing.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. That has not. I've not heard him say that out loud.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, we thought she was gone. She's back. I, I wouldn't be surprised if her podcast fires back up tomorrow.

[Danny Kelly]

Go check. It's like, just fired it all up.

[Danny Hyperth]

If you spit three times on national television, she will pop back.

[Danny Kelly]

We're two way, two thirds of the way there because so is the thing. Basically, we got this, we got a second angle. We got the zer film.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Is this. Wait, so we recorded this. We did the show earlier today, so. But people are going to listen to this first.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the part we recorded earlier today organically has a grassy null reference of a second shooter with Roger Goodell, which people will hear in a bit.

[Danny Hyperth]

I already forgot what that was.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know, but it does. And I'm just saying. But that now that's the meme, though. Is that Dak Prescott actually, yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

Spitting down into the left.

[Danny Kelly]

He spit down Dak Prescott, spit at Jalen Carter, and then he retaliated with the other spit. Craig. What? Spit correspondent here.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I don't know if. Do you remember the original Spitgate was when people thought Harry Styles on Chris Pond.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that was that during that bizarre press.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, the Olivia Wild movie. Anyway, so originally, the initial cut, we basically didn't see what happened. We only saw. We basically came into the clip like two seconds before Jalen Carter spits on Dak Prescott. And you think, oh, my God, Jalen Carter just, just unprovoked. Maybe they were talking shit. Spits on Dak Prescott, stupid move. Gets ejected. And then like two hours later, we get extended footage that REWINDS Kind of 10 seconds earlier, and we see them jawing a little bit, the two of them. And Dak, he's doesn't really spit on Jaylen Carter, but he spits towards Jaylen Carter.

[Danny Kelly]

I want a wide shot. Well before I say, what do you think?

[Craig Worldback]

Okay, well, look, it looked like a.

[Danny Hyperth]

Kind of a normal guy spit, to be honest, but I. If it was while talking was taking place, perhaps it was perceived otherwise from Jaylen Carter. Clearly, it was, obviously.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah. I mean, he didn't spit on him, though.

[Danny Kelly]

I have. Here's the thing, though.

[Danny Hyperth]

Look, he's not spitting back. Jalen Carter is not spitting back. Unless he thought he was being spat at.

[Danny Kelly]

No. But here, this is where the editing matters. If you remember the actual moment, the Cowboys are in the huddle. Like, if you actually look at the thing, Dak Prescott's talking to his offensive lineman. Not a lot of scrimmage. They're in the huddle. Jalen Carter, if you had the blue line there for line of scrimmage, is very much on Dallas's side. So Dak Prescott, I think, is looking at him spitting at the ground, being like, bitch, like, you're on the wrong side of the line. It's the first play of the NFL season. Jalen Carter has decided to walk up to Dak Prescott in the Cowboys huddle to literally start the NFL season. Dak Prescott spits at the ground and is like, fuck out of here, bro. That's fine. Then Jaylen Carter is ruled. But I'm just saying, to me, I'm like, okay, that. Then Jaylen Carter spits onto Dak Prescott's chest plate.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, that's.

[Danny Kelly]

Which is different.

[Danny Hyperth]

I also want to sp. Always this the responder. Right. It's always the retaliation who reacts. It's the little brother syndrome. The first brother provokes the little brother. Or. No, it's usually like the little brother provokes. The big brother responds. The big.

[Danny Kelly]

Against Jaylen Carter, who has a checkered history, very much, to me, started it by walking up to the starting quarterback immediately at the beginning of the game.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is talking. It's the fucking NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, now it's spit talking. Which I want to ask you guys about this. Have you. I think this is already. Craig and I are kind of. We've never been in a fight, right, Craig?

[Danny Hyperth]

I mean, I've been in tussles. I haven't been in, like, a true fist of cuffs throwing blows.

[Danny Kelly]

I think I'm curious where you guys think spitting ranks in, like, terms of disrespect. Because my immediate reaction is, oh, this is good.

[Danny Hyperth]

In terms of this. We should have done the. The. The power ranking of.

[Danny Kelly]

We're doing it right now. We're doing it right now. I gotta really think about this. Well, think about it. So here's My immediate reaction is if you're in a bar and like, let's just say there's A stranger and something or it happens or just a person you don't like.

[Danny Hyperth]

Are we saying non violent things?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I'm saying if in terms of what's gonna get you to start a fight, If I get punched, that's higher. But I actually think if I get shoved, that's lower than being spit on. I feel like if I get shoved, I think being spit on where he was spit on, like your solar plexus. I actually think that's like more disrespectful than being shoved with two hands.

[Danny Hyperth]

Spitting is really disrespectful.

[Craig Worldback]

Getting spit on is very offensive.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like punching is higher, but, like, spitting is high.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperth]

Unless it's in the boudoir, then that's kind of a whole different situation.

[Craig Worldback]

Spit on that thing.

[Danny Hyperth]

I've seen sinners. You guys seen sinners?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I mean, come on, Josh.

[Danny Hyperth]

No. Super disrespectful. However, I don't know. I'm like, obviously. Stupid move by Jalen Carter. Kind of sick, though, you know what I mean?

[Danny Kelly]

What are you talking about? It's not out before the 40 million people were.

[Danny Hyperth]

They won the game. Kind of almost didn't win, Craig. Well, they won.

[Danny Kelly]

It was way closer than it should have been. Javon Williams scored two touchdowns. Jordan Davis is out here. Like, his card. Jordan Davis has never been so winded in his life. He's never going to play.

[Craig Worldback]

Usually want to play like 12.

[Danny Hyperth]

Here's what. But it was super disrespectful, which I kind of respected, you know, I.

[Danny Kelly]

You. Yeah, well, you know, it's funny. Do you think it was awkward when the Eagles run back into the locker room for like an hour during the lightning delay and Jalen Carter's like, he spit it on me first. And they're all like, you like, we're gonna lose this game because you did that.

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, yeah. But Dak did spit first. Let us. Let us remember that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, this is like the.

[Craig Worldback]

This is.

[Danny Kelly]

But this is classic.

[Craig Worldback]

This is always how it goes.

[Danny Hyperth]

Crazy.

[Craig Worldback]

Star wars retaliation.

[Danny Kelly]

Star wars thing with the Han Solo. What's the lore with that, Craig? Did they edit the Han Solo Star wars thing?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, yeah. George Lucas added a gunshot coming out of the. The guy in the bar. I don't know his name.

[Danny Kelly]

Should we edit the video to make it look like Jalen Carter spit first? Could we do that? Could we edit it to make it look like Dax shot second? Carter spit first.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, because they wanted Han Solo to be more likable. They didn't want to.

[Danny Kelly]

They didn't want the NFL, is it Greedo?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

The NFL definitely wants Dak to be more likable than Jalen Carter. So we should just make it the Jalen shot for.

[Danny Hyperth]

Here's what I'll say. I don't. This transitions nicely into, I think the kind of the, the vibe of the game for all of the, you know, trading Micah Parsons away, like everybody being out on Jerry Jones even more than they already were, just like Pickens on just like the vibes around the Cowboys versus like the Eagles. I gotta say, I was kind of rooting for Dallas in this game. Like, I actually think even though the Eagles won this game, relatively speaking, I almost feel better about Dallas than I do about Philadelphia.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

But doesn't it also make you kind of question like, maybe they should have held on to that one guy?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, the way they described it, I.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Collinsworth actually does.

[Danny Hyperth]

But I'm like watching this game, I'm like, Dallas seems way more competent than I thought.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, I agree with that. The Collinsworth does a good job. I actually think Collinsworth is underrated at this point. I do think the Sunday football overall is just like underratedly an excellent product. Like there's. It's just like actually really well made. I will say I was really annoyed when they were like, yeah, it's like three people. I'm not saying it's a hot take. I'm saying it's not just popular. Like, it's actually a great product.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No, you like the way it's made. It's good. The way they present information is actually impressive, but it's hard to talk to 20 million people at the same time. However, I was really annoyed.

[Danny Hyperth]

We do it four times a week.

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly. But Mike, they're like, well, if they paid Micah Parsons, they. They're giving half their salary cap to three players. Yeah, they're giving half the salary cap to three players. They pay him because they fucked up all three contracts. It should have been like, right. 38% for players. They made it 50 because Jerry Jones wanted attention. So I was mad at the framing of. They're like, well, can't give that three guys that much money. Yeah, don't fuck up all three deals. Anyway, I didn't like that.

[Danny Hyperth]

The.

[Danny Kelly]

Usually they do a good job. So yeah, this game is really strange. Fantasy wise Javonte Williams scoring two touchdowns since A.J. brown had one. I mean, literally, there's more lightning delays than AJ Brown targets for like most of the game. In terms of the actual. It's funny how Much things Flip. I agree with what you're saying, Craig. I will say the Eagles, the whole game shifted in part. I. Lane, sorry, not Lane. Johnson, Jordan, my lot of the left tackle and Landon Dickinson, left guard. They got hurt at like the same play. The Eagles offense was like not the same after that blitzing. But the Cowboys strategy, it really seemed to me was honestly, in a funny way, they were doing it in a more complicated way. But dk, I feel like the Cowboys literally like we're going to double AJ Brown like kind of every play and then just see if Jalen Hurts gets to his second read, which is what an amazing way to come into the season against the defending champs is. We're going to make the starting quarterback that all the Eagles fans say doesn't get enough respect. Like make him go to a second read and like that was the Cowboys plan.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah. And that's why we saw Dallas Goddard get seven targets. He had seven. Seven catches for 44 yards. Next closest was Barkley with four.

[Danny Kelly]

It.

[Craig Worldback]

It was Jalen Hurts threw for 150 yards and game. I will say he looked pretty spry. We were talking about this during the day. Sprightly, he was running around. He looked like he had a little bit more speed than he did last year. So, you know, obviously got the two rushing touchdowns. Saved it. Saved it. In fantasy, which he always does, it.

[Danny Hyperth]

Was the most Jalen Hurt stat line you could possibly have. 19 for 23, 152 yards passing, 62 rushing yards, two touchdowns. Like that. That is it.

[Danny Kelly]

What did. What was the stat you had, Craig?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, so. So both of those Jalen Hurts rushing touchdowns were via scrambling. And Ben Solak, our former colleague via I think ESPN stats and info, said that that was Jalen Hurts his first scrambling touchdown since October 2022.

[Craig Worldback]

That's wild. That that was scrambling, to be clear, not not designed run. So he's obviously had a lot of design run.

[Danny Hyperth]

Totally. Totally.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Hyperth]

But yeah, like to be honest with you, I was a little disappointed in just like Philadelphia's like I. They have this new offensive coordinator, they have Kevin Petullo because Kellen Moore's gone. And to be honest, I thought it was unremarkable, I have to say. Like it, it was a lot of like he looked towards AJ Brown. I guess he was double teamed. And then it was like you dump off to Dallas Goddard for six yards other than the one Johan Dotson play. Like they didn't do anything interesting offensively in my opinion.

[Craig Worldback]

Craig, to add to that, like it was, I think especially Disappointing because they had really good protection for most of the game, too, especially early on. Like, Jalen Hurts is just sitting back.

[Danny Hyperth]

There camping, and it's why he had to scramble because.

[Danny Kelly]

Why do you think the Cowboys couldn't get a pass rush?

[Craig Worldback]

That's. Yeah. I don't know. Curious.

[Danny Kelly]

Kenny Clark did have.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know that the Cowboys had more sacks than the Eagles.

[Craig Worldback]

I remember there were a couple of plays where Jordan Mylotta was just engulfing like, a Dallas pass rusher and just throwing him about. He's pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

Some people solely want someone to just, you know, throw him about. I. Yeah, there's. There's more on this game than I could have thought. It's crazy that A.J. brown got ejected with Jaylen Carter, too. You know, missed the whole game.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know that.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, that was crazy.

[Danny Hyperth]

Truly a horrific start.

[Danny Kelly]

Getting an un. Let me. All right, so. Well, with that said, Picket's got the unnecessary rough. This was great. Anything else? Eagles, Cowboys. Should we talk about McCaffrey really quick?

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm excited for the Javante Williams week one overreaction.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, I don't. Jaden Blue is a healthy scratch in the Cowboys backfield.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yes. I don't even know. Like, I don't know. I might have overreaction fever. I'm like, fuck, he looked kind of spry. Am I in? On. On.

[Craig Worldback]

Javante Williams definitely looked more healthy than he has in the last year.

[Danny Kelly]

It's funny because it's. He looked more healthy, which he said he was more healthy, but also, so did Tony Pollard. And also, the Eagles literally lost Jalen Carter in the first game.

[Craig Worldback]

They lost their best play.

[Danny Kelly]

The flip side is the other teams don't have Jalen Carter.

[Danny Hyperth]

I was gonna say it's like, okay, they're not gonna go against one of the best defensive lines every single week.

[Craig Worldback]

He also averaged 3.6 yards per carry.

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, the second half is like a different football game. In the first half, he looked really good.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, it's funny, though. You know who the Cowboys do play next week is the Giants. Who their storence is actually better than Jared Garner. So no big deal.

[Danny Hyperth]

I do think there's hope for Dallas. I think Dak played great, to be honest. The cd, the very last drop, that, like, wasn't really a drop. I kind of think, like, that's why you have CD Lamb. Like, I would say for the average receiver, that's not a. That's not a drop. Should have thrown me for CD Lamb. So this is kind of a drop.

[Danny Kelly]

It. I. I agree because you know why it's a drop.

[Danny Hyperth]

That's why you have CD Lamb.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a drop. But then you're like, ah, it's not a drop. But you're like, yeah, but you had the other two drops and you get your last chance and your hands are on the ball. So CD Lambs.

[Craig Worldback]

It would have been like if Jalen.

[Danny Hyperth]

Tolbert drops the ball, you're like, well, yeah, but if it's the guy, you're paying $40 million a year. I'm like, well, that's kind of what the money's for.

[Craig Worldback]

And if you have players make big time plays.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. And I can't stress enough how much when you're a receiver in that situation, all you want is a third chance. And he got it and hit his hands. And I also will say the other one, the second one, which I actually think was the first one was like a fluke. It was like. Actually they all kind of were in traffic though. And I will say they were.

[Danny Hyperth]

They were all hard. I mean it was.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah. Like borderline. Not okay. They weren't hospital balls, but they kind of felt like it would.

[Danny Kelly]

There's a cloud of. There's a cloud, like, I'm going to get annihilated. There's a cloud of hospital ball back. Hospital balls hanging over all the drops. Which was the theme was if you watch, I think seat like, sure, maybe it's just a concentration drop. He's rusty. However, you're kind of like, I think Reed Blankenship was gonna blow CD up on both those places, I think. And he was just trying to make a move before to not get fucking lit up.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

The second drop to me looked like it was a concentration thing, thinking he was gonna get blown up. And also I think it was. Jalen Tolbert was right in the way. Like he basically.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that was weird too.

[Craig Worldback]

The spacing of the rouse was totally fucked up. Not to say that I'm like, you know, he should have caught it like 100%. And that's again what Craig says. That's what the money for. Make those big plays. But it was, it was kind of like a fucked up play.

[Danny Kelly]

That's Eagles. Cowboys.

[Danny Hyperth]

Dude. The McCaffrey thing.

[Danny Kelly]

Can I tell you something?

[Danny Hyperth]

Honestly, it's unbelievable timing.

[Craig Worldback]

Impeccable.

[Danny Hyperth]

It's so believable. It's unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

I felt nothing during the beginning of this Cowboys. Eagles game. Can I tell you guys something?

[Craig Worldback]

It's like five minutes before the fucking game, before the season started.

[Danny Hyperth]

Them trying to like, like, like dump it.

[Danny Kelly]

You Know, they literally knew something. Literally McCat. They literally waited for Caitlin Clark to be out in the NFL's to begin.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. They're like, go now. Drop it now. Release it now.

[Danny Kelly]

So I will say we'll see what happens coming out. I'm sure by the time you're listening, there's probably more. More information. I do feel like either they were hiding this for a long time, or realistically, I kind of think McCaffrey just heard it today or yesterday. I mean, today is at this point is Friday night.

[Craig Worldback]

How many of his of his Cavs.

[Danny Kelly]

He practiced on Wednesday? He's been practicing.

[Craig Worldback]

Did he hurt both of them or just one?

[Danny Kelly]

The flip side, spreading last year when the spreading like the rot. Last year he wasn't practicing. And then they're like, by the way, it got worse this year. Like, he was practicing till like 48 hours ago.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yes. Said he was fully healthy, felt great.

[Danny Kelly]

He just pulled. We'll see what it's time. We're speculating because we have less information probably than the people listening because we're doing it earlier. I will say this. I don't think we ranked McCaffrey crazy higher than other places.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I will say that I think I am the only person that actually was drafting McCaffrey of Fantasy Experts at the place we said to take him. And everyone else was like, yeah, we'll put him eighth and I'll take someone else at eight. And I'm like, I fucking drafted McCaffrey where we had him ranked in every league. I ended up with Christian McCaffrey and Jalen Hurts. I didn't know I could achieve the I. We have a lot of leagues. We're in a lot of leagues because people want to play fantasy with us. And it was like, I have 10 leagues. I actually achieved Jalen Hurts and McAffrey five times. I didn't know I could do that, like, that level of, like, uniformity. I've never been able to achieve that kind of, like, uniformity in my teams.

[Craig Worldback]

What. What would. What would sucks. What would Warren Buffett say in this situation?

[Danny Kelly]

You're a idiot, Danny. Why the did you think I understand how we invest money? You. You idiot. You thought my investing philosophy was a sentence, you fucking imbecile.

[Craig Worldback]

He's not a doctor, all right? He's not a. He doesn't know the physiology.

[Danny Hyperth]

How many of those five leagues that you have McCaffrey in, do you also have Brian Robinson?

[Danny Kelly]

Zero. You have Brian Robinson, you little fucking twerp bitch. In the ringer league?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Tried to trade him for me. You, you dropped in the ringer league about you having with a fucking the Grinch meme five minutes after this came out.

[Danny Hyperth]

That's good.

[Craig Worldback]

Like texting during, during the game. He's like heifers high. Fitz, who is theory in theory, how much should I get for.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, you're pretending you have a friend, but you're talking about our teams.

[Danny Hyperth]

I, I, we're gonna put this on Instagram. I texted the ringer, the ringer fantasy league chat. I said, who has Brian Robinson? I waited two minutes and then just said the Grinch smile.

[Danny Kelly]

You're also like trying to make a trade between us and the ringer league, getting me to price it. Like pretending you have a friend who would make the trade, but you're talking about us.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay, for real though, like, we have.

[Danny Kelly]

To talk about this.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is, this is very important. This is the storyline in fantasy football right now. DK, you're unbiased.

[Craig Worldback]

God, I don't know.

[Danny Hyperth]

Brian Robinson. McCaffrey, where are your thoughts right now about this situation?

[Craig Worldback]

I mean.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't want to, I.

[Craig Worldback]

Don'T like to throw out the term league winner because he could get hurt. Like the 49ers running backs are absolutely cursed. Like he could play one game, get hurt and then you never know. But like if he's the lead back in the 49ers offense because Christian McCaffrey has Achilles tendonitis for the next eight weeks.

[Danny Hyperth]

Bilateral.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And just to remind me, absolutely one.

[Craig Worldback]

Of the most valuable picks you could have made.

[Danny Kelly]

So just to remind people, Brian Robinson, Alabama running back, went to Washington. He's the guy who got shot a couple years ago and then came out to many men. And then it was actually incredible the first year as a rookie, even like weeks after he got shot, it was crazy. Really likable story. Then was somewhat surprisingly traded to San Francisco like less than two weeks ago. So he just got to San Francisco, but the Niners added him. And at the time it was because, well, all it was like, Jordan James is a rookie running back in San Francisco, hit everybody finger. It was missing time with a broken finger. I'm like, you're right. What the fuck? And then Isaac Rendo, who has a shoulder injury, he has a long list of injuries in his crease. Never been healthy. Really. Jeff Wilson, who I think would be out of the NFL because he get left the Dolphins, I don't think he's on the Niners. He wouldn't be on NFL team. Jeff Wilson. So the Niners like we're like, we have McCaffrey and like nobody.

[Craig Worldback]

Jeff Wilson's back on the Dolphins now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like they were like this is not tenable.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Like Jeff Wilson can't be your only healthy. So they traded for Robinson and charitably they just thought McCaffrey he would be McCaffrey's backup. And then maybe cynically if they knew McCaffrey had any issues that they were like, oh, but realistic. I don't know. I mean dk, do you think Brian Robinson is the past catching chops to be a three down back for San Francisco or how do you think it would break down? It's like because McCaffrey is the, is the offense of the Niners like when he's in the game. So how I've always liked, I've always liked him.

[Craig Worldback]

I've always liked Brian Robinson. I think he's a quality back. He's big, tough, physical, pretty reliable. I think they basically just decided it was going to be his contract year. He's not a big time difference maker for us. He's not super explosive. Let's get something for him now.

[Danny Hyperth]

High Fitz is distraught.

[Craig Worldback]

Dude, I, I Craig, to answer your question though, like, do I sell him now and get some like, you know, just make a profit off of this or whatever or do I hold him and potentially have an extremely valuable player? That is the question. I don't know the answer to that. It's so fucking hard. I think he's a good enough back that he could just be their starter all year if, if McCaffrey's out.

[Danny Kelly]

Obviously, Craig, if you were trying to sell Brian Robinson, I think that would you would I recommend. Well, I'm debating whether I give you real advice. I guess I have fiduciary duty. You should probably charge more and be like, you're not buying Brian Robinson, you're buying Christian McCaffrey. Like that's the way you pitch it.

[Craig Worldback]

7%.

[Danny Kelly]

You're like, do you want the Niners running back or not? Because you don't have it right now. That's the way you pitch it.

[Danny Hyperth]

We've been talking this whole off season about how when guys are questionable heading into Sunday, Sunday morning, you read the blurb and it says so and so is going to give it a go. Let's say Christian McCaffrey. I bet you he tries to play. What are you going to do if.

[Danny Kelly]

The Niners play in their fucking morons? Because and again, we'll see what information they have. But if like he has a cash train. And this is a team where Dre Greenlawn tore. Dre Greenlaw tore his Achilles running onto the goddamn field, not even playing during the super bowl. You sit McCaffrey a week. If he plays that. I'm like, maybe he's at. Then if he plays, I. I'll be. If they're like, game time decision, he'll give it a go, then they're dumb to let him do that. If he plays and starts and they're like, it's fine, then maybe I'm like, oh, maybe they're just earnestly giving an injury report. You know what I mean? Because they don't have to do the injury reports during training camp. Like, they just kind of do. So there's a world where they just earnestly reported him. I doubt. I feel like he probably just had a setback. If he had a setback.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Then that's a nightmare if they play him. But also, that would be crazy to play him if he had a setback. So I kind of. I don't know. We'll see. I'm genuinely so sorry if I convinced everyone to draft him. DK is so much wiser.

[Danny Hyperth]

Maybe it'll be fine.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he might have to get back. Craig, shut up. I'm fixing it. But no, dk, you're so much smarter and wiser. And DK was like. Dk, who has more life experience and wisdom than me, was like, why would you entangle yourself with this kind of situation? And I think I knew the risk, but I don't really think I understood it. And now that I'm in it, I feel horrible. Yeah. I feel like I can't breathe. I'm like. I'm, like, a little depressed. Like, this is actually horrible. I'm so sorry to everyone. I entangled.

[Craig Worldback]

You went. You went all in on this. Like, you're like.

[Danny Kelly]

I just was like. I just was like, every week he plays, he will be the number one player. I didn't realize that he would. Well, it seems like he just might not play one week at all. I actually had a take purge. I. And I sent you guys this. We didn't. I didn't say it. Because Michael Parsons got traded during the take purge. I literally had written down, Christian McCaffrey will be the number one running back in week one. I will do a victory lap. He will tear his Achilles in week two. Brian Robinson will outscore bejon Robinson this season. I literally had that written down. And I was.

[Craig Worldback]

Another year where if you accidentally drafted B. Robinson.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

It'll actually be a good thing.

[Danny Kelly]

Once again, fiction, stranger than fact. I can I tell you guys. Sorry. I know I'm just going on and on. I'll just leave it at this. If Christian McCaffrey does. If the update comes that, like, he's actually, like, cooked, I will never be the same. I think I was permanently changed when I saw that update today. I. I think I'm permanently. I think it was permanently altered as a person. I don't think I'll ever be changed.

[Craig Worldback]

Your brain chemistry.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm serious.

[Craig Worldback]

Well, we don't know if he's. If he's hurt, you know.

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, we do know he's hurt.

[Craig Worldback]

We don't know if he's hurt badly. Yeah, I think it's just a.

[Danny Hyperth]

You know what was a lesson of this year? It's like, we're already looking back on it on this season.

[Craig Worldback]

This year.

[Danny Hyperth]

It feels like all Value was sucked out of. Out of rankings this year. Like, there was no. All of the rookies are super high. McCaffrey landed at the end. By the end of draft season, McCaffrey was going like fifth, sixth overall, which is no fucking value. It's like if he's just going next to B. John the first time. Your Gibbs who don't have bilateral Achilles tendon, it's like, what's the point of taking McCaffrey at that spot then? Sure, I guess he could be a little bit better than Jabir Gibbs or Bijan, but like, okay, is that worth risking getting if he was a second rounder? I totally get it.

[Danny Kelly]

When six days ago, I drafted Christian McCaffrey. I was so young. I was so dumb. I didn't understand.

[Craig Worldback]

We should go run the tape back on the. On the live draft and just kind of look at. Look at. Watch the. The pep and Heifen every.

[Danny Kelly]

I do not have McAffrey. All I have is McCaffrey and Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts is running in his second touchdown. I felt nothing. Nothing. I'm like, everything's over. And I.

[Craig Worldback]

By the way, I. While we're on Hertz, real quick, we were talking about.

[Danny Kelly]

This sucks.

[Craig Worldback]

We were talking about this. I want to end up something positive real quick because Craig and I. Craig was. I can't remember what the exact. What we said exactly. It was. But it was like, man, it rules to have Jalen Hurts, like, as your fantasy quarterback. And then right after that, my buddy texted me, Ben, and he's like, I've never had a running quarterback before. This is the best. It's like Having two.

[Danny Kelly]

That my resolve is just listen to the tattoos. The tattoos we had from lessons from last year. Whatever. I can't. Whatever. This is the last time ever going to talk.

[Danny Hyperth]

You said that like Mullaney and Crawl.

[Danny Kelly]

I did tattoos. Tattoo, tattoo. But it said, don't trust Kyle Shanahan and draft a running quarterback. And I wish I'd just done one of those things.

[Danny Hyperth]

Fantasy sucks, though. It always keeps. And it's actually. I don't. I don't like having a lot of leagues this year. I have the most leagues I've ever had, and it's literally like three and a half if you. Dynasty is different. But it's. I basically have three redraft leagues and it already sucks because I'm like, I got Jalen Hurts in one. He's playing great. I got A.J. brown in another. He's doing dog. And so it's like, I don't know whether to be happy or sad during the game. It stinks.

[Danny Kelly]

That's why I wasn't. I didn't want to, like, diversify my leagues where I'm like, so you win some, you lose some, you feel nothing.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know.

[Danny Kelly]

I was like, let me, like, ride the roller coaster this year. And you know what? That was stupid. I hate roller coasters. I don't even like roller coasters. What was I thinking?

[Craig Worldback]

I mean, you know how I feel about this.

[Danny Kelly]

Stupid.

[Craig Worldback]

I just want everyone to have fun out there.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's gonna listen to you next year.

[Danny Hyperth]

Let's go back in time to when we didn't know McCaffrey had a calf strain. And preview week one.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's too late, but I may or do not mention during the Niners thing how cool it'll be to see healthy McCaffrey. So just. Whatever. Just. Here's the rest of the show. Okay, so we're gonna go through all the games for the rest of the weekend, but first we want to explain this thing we're doing the called the Ringer one of seven, which is a competition we're going to do with all the other football shows here at the ring.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm fired up for this. I want to win. This show needs to win.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you explain this for everybody listening and also maybe members of the show who don't totally understand what's going on.

[Danny Hyperth]

We're doing a competition called Ringer 107, where all of the football podcasts at the Ringer. Everybody on the Ringer gambling show, Ringer NFL Us, Bill. We are all competing as shows against one another where we will be making 107 bets against the spread throughout the course of the NFL season. 107 bets, five a week during the regular season and then some playoff stuff. Whoever gets the most right wins. We're still deciding on what that prize is. I think it should be a trip to Vegas.

[Danny Kelly]

Email [e-mail] if you want have a suggestion for what the winner should be. So again, we're competing against like, like Bill and Sal are doing it and then it's going to be. Bill actually asked us to ask you guys, our listeners, to email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com what the winner should be. We agree. Trip to Vegas. If you have a better idea than a trip to Vegas, let us know. Also, we're all ears.

[Danny Hyperth]

How awesome would it be if we, the Ringer fantasy football show, beat Bill and Sal, who have been gambling for longer than I've been alive, and the. And the Ringer gambling show, like, if.

[Craig Worldback]

We win, we gotta do it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that would be ideal. I'm on that show on Fridays and yeah, it would be great. But I'm with you guys.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. And so it's like. So basically every week the three of us have to collectively agree on five spreads.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, we want. Also, if you're. If you're wondering why Craig is so fired up apart from the idea of a trip to Vegas, Bill texted the group, the ring, the Ringer 107 group, and gave fake odds on who's going to win this thing. And guess who was last.

[Danny Hyperth]

We're in. Dead last. You said I love it. I love it.

[Danny Kelly]

We're going to.

[Craig Worldback]

We're 6 to 1 odds. Come on.

[Danny Kelly]

We're going to. We're going to band together like the craps night.

[Craig Worldback]

We get hyped.

[Danny Hyperth]

Even though he's hosting, we're plus 650 to win. That's a great moneyline parlay.

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly. Better ourselves. Shout out Pete Rose, Johnte Porter or whatever. So anyway, we're gonna go again. If you're wondering why 107, it's five games a week. That's 18 times. That's 90 games. And then if you include the playoffs and then an extra bet per round of the playoffs, you get to 107. I've done the math like six times because I keep trying to remind myself how to get to 107, but that's why we're doing it. So we're going to just basically going to go through all these games, talk fantasy talk narratives, talk, whatever, and Then also we're going to mark when there's like a bet we want to make. We'll circle back at the end and figure out what the five bets we are going to make each time. All right, let's get to the rest of the games coming up this weekend, starting with Friday night football in Brazil, which is still, you know, our annual tradition.

[Craig Worldback]

Craig, we all know and remember the season hasn't even started yet.

[Danny Hyperth]

Hyphens hates my. Like, there's too much football take. Like there's too many nights of the week take. But I, I do think there are too many nights of the week.

[Danny Kelly]

I think.

[Danny Hyperth]

I don't think anybody wants Friday night.

[Danny Kelly]

This one's a lot. It's. This one's funny and it's the, you know, the. I hope the field in Brazil is good. We had shadowy league figures mentioned to us. They noted how critical we were of last year's field. And so I'm just so excited. This field's going to be in incredible shape.

[Craig Worldback]

Just pristine.

[Danny Kelly]

No doubts whatsoever about flip ups? No. Okay. So Chiefs are favored by three points even though the Chargers are at home. You know, the Los Angeles Chargers home in this Brazilian game. I mean, should we just bet on the Chiefs?

[Craig Worldback]

I thought about it. What do you think, Craig? Do you have a gut on this game?

[Danny Hyperth]

I, first of all, I just want to say I think this is a hard, this is a hard week to bet. I don't know, is week one traditionally a harder week to bet or an easier week to bet?

[Danny Kelly]

I think so. I will say the big picture thoughts on week one are, generally speaking, the big overview for this whole week. I think offenses are going to suck, right? Like offense, week one and week two. Weird stuff happens. It's an extension of the preseason every year. The last few years we've been like, why are offenses so bad? Why scoring down? It's like, well, it's because the fucking team suck. And so two week. Last year through two weeks, the Saints had 91 points and Derek Carr led the NFL in passing yards and touchdowns and passer rating. And then he retired this offseason. His state fans cheered like Derek Carr was leading every category. So it's going to be weird. Generally speaking, I think the move has always been bet money lines, bet points, bet the underdogs. Because, like, it's just weird stuff. Great teams get blown out week one all the time. Like, games are closer, like, scoring's down. Generally speaking, I don't want to bet like favorites in week one. Over most of the time, I Kind of just don't want to bet a Brazil game though. It just feels like so strange.

[Danny Hyperth]

That's what I was going to say. I think my, I mean the last Brazil game last year the Eagles and the packers are slip sliding all over the place. Jordan Love hurt his knee. I don't know. I'm like the spread is close enough. The Chargers always play the Chiefs. Well, Herbert came in and almost beat the Chiefs in his first start as a charger. I kind of like even though they lost the left tackle, I don't the Chiefs don't have her. She Rice. This is a real like these two teams are both probably good. They're in Brazil. It's week one. This could be super messy for Fantasy.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's, I think the Chiefs Andy Reid and I do think he may be slowing down a little bit as like an elite top of the tier play caller for Andy Reid Designer. Well just he was like the best and now it makes you he's not the best anymore.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

But generally speaking Andy Reid in week one is incredible. And like I mean remember Kareem Hunt when they he fumbled the first carry and then he or fumbled the first carry of his career and then he had like 200 yards or whatever. Xavier Worthy and Isaiah Pacheco in this I would highly recommend playing. Generally speaking, I don't really want to start rookies in any of these games. We'll get through a bunch of other.

[Danny Hyperth]

Spots but like oh Marion Hampton, you're starting starting rookie receivers.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry, you're right. So like oh Marian. Yeah. Marion Hampton, Ladman Conkey I think is a start. Mahomes Worthy and Pacheco starts. But generally speaking, Kelsey if you want but overall I'm not like I don't want to bet on this game though.

[Danny Hyperth]

No. Personally there were rumors originally that Najee Harris is going to start and then Harbaugh confirmed that o' Marian Hampton is starting.

[Danny Kelly]

I, yeah, I, I we'll see what happens.

[Craig Worldback]

Naji goes from jogging around on the sidelines here.

[Danny Kelly]

My prediction, I'm amazed he made the roster after I'm practicing right.

[Danny Hyperth]

Naji Harris is going to get like 11 carries and everyone's gonna be pissed.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, watch him just yeah, watch him just play. Yeah, it'd be bizarre. Anyway, so we'll see anything else in this game? I kind of just we'll see what happens.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think this is stay away for for ring ringer 107.

[Danny Kelly]

That's I agree. Okay, so let's get to the games on Sunday. The But I feel like first, we kind of have to hit that. The general vibe on Sunday is basically NFL Red Zone's gone from, what is it, eight hours of commercial free football to eight hours of football. Mostly commercial red zone, mostly just a giant asterisk.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know. It's funny now that there's a difference between commercials and ads. Like Red Zone had ads last year. There were banners around testing the clips in the games, like they were dipping their little toe. They were not commercials. They were not interrupt. They were not taking a break from the football. But there was like whatever sponsor, whatever pizza or truck or something was like around the border.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, they're raising the temperature a little bit so you don't realize when you start sweating.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. This year now, there's going to be four 15 second commercials that are going to be side by side like, like on cnn. When it cuts to an Applebee's commercial during a tragedy, it's going to be.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, sorry, Craig, I don't know what you're talking about. Can you.

[Craig Worldback]

You know, it's like Applebee's during the.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, hypothetically, if an Eagles 49ers damaged a championship game, a player was horrifically injured limping off the field.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. It cuts to an Applebee's, I guess. No free ads, but it cuts to an Applebee's. Like two time anytizers. Buffalo chicken seltzers. Start me up. Yeah, well, with the Rolling Stones place.

[Danny Kelly]

And then somebody sent us the video of CNN when they were like Russia's invading Ukraine. And then they just have like the.

[Danny Hyperth]

It's like unlimited chicken dippers.

[Craig Worldback]

This is the world we live in. You know what this reminds me of?

[Danny Hyperth]

Margaritas only on Tuesdays.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, this whole thing. So we went to the Live Town show last week, which was awesome, by the way, and they had the CEO of amc, it was one of the main guests and he was talking about how AMC movie theaters.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. In the Town with Matthew Bellamy.

[Craig Worldback]

Give it. What's his name?

[Danny Hyperth]

His name is Adam Aaron.

[Craig Worldback]

Adam Aaron.

[Danny Kelly]

The guy's a legend.

[Craig Worldback]

And the question was, why? Why are you doing so many ads now to start the movies? And he essentially said, look, we tried for a very long time. We did a whole bunch of research. Our, our competitors were doing ads before their movies. And we, we figured out essentially it wasn't affecting them at all. Like people will still go to the fucking movies.

[Danny Hyperth]

And therefore.

[Craig Worldback]

So he's like, therefore we were giving away free money.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, that is the really long time. He's. That is actually DK the best poll. And I actually There we go. Everyone's going to be who? Like, how could they?

[Craig Worldback]

That's everyone still going to get Red zone.

[Danny Kelly]

He literally did the only way you.

[Danny Hyperth]

Can have this product.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, everyone's going to blame espn and now we can come and be like, you know what, everyone, it's your fault. It's our fault. Because you know what? You're still going to watch the goddamn games. Feed us.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, I also, like, I thought it was going to be way worse. I'm like, four 15 second ads that are playing next to the play.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, I want to meet the people who are going to stop buying it because they added the like five minutes of commercials. Like, that's. You're right to get, like, that's the real answer. They're like, you pigs. You're going to fudge and sit like you see Rick and Morty.

[Craig Worldback]

It's like these commercials and you'll like it.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude. Big mouth is I sleep in it, pig.

[Danny Hyperth]

Also, like, yeah, you could just show up to the movie. I've never understood that. Like, you know, the movie's going to start 20 minutes after the start. Just show up 20 minutes late. You'll be fine.

[Danny Kelly]

We got. Yeah, probably.

[Craig Worldback]

But anyway, the point is, I think you're right.

[Danny Hyperth]

That is outraged.

[Craig Worldback]

This isn't as bad. Of course everyone is going to freak out about outrage.

[Danny Kelly]

Machine is outraged.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I remember every time.

[Danny Kelly]

Every time.

[Craig Worldback]

This is like such a going to age me a little bit. But like, every time Facebook would change one little thing, the Internet would be fucking outraged about what? What are they taking away? It was fine how it was. And guess What? After like 10 minutes, everyone was like, okay, this is fine.

[Danny Hyperth]

I remember in college, every Snapchat update, we'd all be pissed.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You know what's going to start happening? We're going to start having like, like plumbing issues because everyone's going to start flushing the toilet at the same time on Sundays down, like synchronize America.

[Craig Worldback]

I think if they got to the point where they were running commercial breaks for two minutes at a time like we do on normal, you know, cable television or whatever, like, that would be a problem. But this is just like, I think this is the same thing that AMC basically decided. It's like, look, we're not going to lose any customers because we do this. We're giving up free money.

[Danny Kelly]

I love DK's on the side. If, you know, the NFL doesn't make enough money, it's great.

[Craig Worldback]

And we need, we need to make more money.

[Danny Hyperth]

It's Also genius, because the NFL still retains the rights and ownership of Red Zone, even though they had that weird deal where, like, now there's, like, the 10 ownership between ESPN, NFL. But everyone's pissed at ESPN. But it was the NFL who made this decision.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, yeah, but they can blame espn.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the right. That's the other right. Note. They got a pat. The NFL did it. It. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ESPN's Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay, let's get to the actual games. The second.

[Craig Worldback]

Who's on the grassy knoll?

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly. Oh, there's.

[Danny Hyperth]

There's Roger Goodell.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Hyperth]

Holding an Applebee sign.

[Craig Worldback]

Any tizers. It zooms in on him.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that's good. The no context ringer guy's gonna have the grassy dole that. Any ties?

[Danny Hyperth]

New Buffalo Chicken Crunchers.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, let's get to the actual game.

[Danny Hyperth]

Applebee's items. I know.

[Craig Worldback]

Give me something like a quesadilla, Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

We'll do that. Yeah, we'll do two Applebee's items in a line. Okay.

[Danny Hyperth]

Early game dippers. It's always just like, how many things can you dip into something else?

[Danny Kelly]

All right, Steelers are at the New York Jets. Steelers are giving two and a half points. This is the Weiss swap. This is Aaron Rodgers versus the jets and Justin Swap versus the Steelers. Cr. Well, I guess let me just give a quick recap of what actually happened here, which is the jets traded for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers a couple years ago. Torres Achilles 4, plays into 2023, comes back 2024, starts two and four. They fire Robert Solov to the London game, even though they'd given up, like two touchdowns in three weeks of defense, lose again the next week. So they trade for Devonte Adams, which fixed it. Just kidding. Devonte Adams lost six of his first seven games as a Jet. Yeah, but he was pretty good 5 and 12, and everyone got fired. And to be clear.

[Craig Worldback]

To be clear, everyone. He got everyone fired.

[Danny Kelly]

Everyone fired. Everyone involved was fired.

[Danny Hyperth]

And then he got everybody fired.

[Craig Worldback]

Well, I wanted to use the active voice. Is that active? He got everyone fired.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

Not everyone was subsequently fired.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, so then the Steelers side, they started 4, 2 last year with Justin Fields. Bench Justin Fields for Russ, who came back from a calf injury. Russ starts six and one, finishes the season. Oh, and five. So then the off season, they just switched Justin Field signs. 20 million year with the Jets. Steelers wait two months, and it's really pathetic with the. With the Steelers. In fact, I believe Ronick has a clip here with a little bit of the emotional journey Craig took.

[Danny Hyperth]

There are certain characters that I only want to watch. I don't want to be right next to them on the bus. And Aaron Rodgers is one of them. I'm being forced to goon for Rogers against.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Hyperth]

There's only one thing more sad than wanting Aaron Rodgers in a team. It's wanting Aaron Rodgers and not getting him.

[Danny Kelly]

So Craig, where are you at right now on Aaron Rodgers, your starting quarterback on Sunday?

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go.

[Craig Worldback]

He's all in.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm excited.

[Craig Worldback]

We betting on this. We're betting on this, aren't we?

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm excited for Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. I think he for what the options were is the right pick. Don't want Kirk Cousins. Don't want Justin Fields. Oh, yeah. The jets are. Are amped. They think Justin Fields can get them a Super Bowl. No, they don't. Sam Donald, 100 million bucks. Kirk Cousins. Let's do it. Aaron Rodgers for $12 million. Let's cook. That's how I feel. I'm fired up. We're in win now mode. Kind of.

[Danny Kelly]

DK would know.

[Craig Worldback]

Everyone is really. At the end of the day, that's.

[Danny Kelly]

Like commercial free football. Kind of like that's where the Steelers are at. Dk, where do you lean toward? The jets will beat the Steelers, obviously because the. Sorry. The Steelers will beat the jets obviously because the Steelers are not the jets and the Steelers win this game. Or the funnier thing, which is that Justin Fields looks great and outplays Aaron Rodgers. Where do you lead toward the obvious thing of the Steelers winning or just the funny thing of the jets winning?

[Craig Worldback]

Well, the irony of this is I was listening to 40s and free agents, the Daniel Jeremiah Greg Rosenthal show the other day and he and. And Daniel Jeremiah mentioned. And I don't remember. I'm sure this has been reported and it's been around, but the jets originally tried to sign Justin Fields. They tried to bring him back, but he got outbid.

[Danny Kelly]

You mean the Steelers.

[Craig Worldback]

Sorry. Yes. The Steelers tried to resign Justin Field. Fields, he decided to leave it. For obvious reasons. They benched him.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, they were cheap too.

[Danny Hyperth]

The Steelers.

[Danny Kelly]

They were like, you get to play for the Steelers or the Jets. What would you rather do?

[Craig Worldback]

And so the ste. The Steelers, the. Their top two options were Sam Darnold or Justin Fields and they didn't get either. Both guys decided to sign elsewhere. So then they signed Aaron Rodgers. So this makes like the revenge thing kind of like eh. Like it's not that big of a deal or Whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

The Steelers wouldn't match the jets offer, though.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, but the jets offer was insane.

[Danny Kelly]

It was 20 million a year. Yeah. That's the lowest paid starting quarterback. That isn't Aaron Rodgers, who had one choice. Fields is the 31st highest paid among veterans. He's. I mean, Sam Darnold got almost double what Fields got.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay. But I mean, yeah, I don't agree with that. But also like, where does Fields rank in overall quarterbacks to you? He probably is a 31st. Right.

[Craig Worldback]

I mean, there was a lot of questions. Ever be a starter again?

[Danny Hyperth]

And then I mean, like, how many. If you could pick any starting quarterback right now to start your franchise with.

[Danny Kelly]

I would argue very low.

[Danny Hyperth]

5.

[Danny Kelly]

Generally speaking, it takes exceptional circumstances for a starting quarterback to go into a season with zero competition and make less than 20 million percentage wise by cap. That's. It's like very low.

[Danny Hyperth]

You can argue that's an indictment on the jets, though.

[Craig Worldback]

But yeah, either way.

[Danny Kelly]

Either way, everything is.

[Craig Worldback]

My point is basically the whole revenge narrative is kind of silly, but at the same time it would be funny.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it?

[Danny Hyperth]

I think Rogers hates the jets dude.

[Danny Kelly]

Aaron Glenn, they fired him to his face.

[Danny Hyperth]

They flew.

[Craig Worldback]

I was talking about from Fields point of view and Heifetz was saying it'd be funny if the jets won.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought Fields is mad. I think, I think angrier than you think.

[Craig Worldback]

The Aaron Rodgers thing is definitely funny.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think Rogers not only has like the jets to prove wrong, I think there's like a whole media narrative. I think he wants to show up and be good in week one.

[Craig Worldback]

He's gonna be. He's gonna pull the like, you made me fly across country so I can get fired thing.

[Danny Hyperth]

And then, and now he's like, now I'll fly. I'll fly to New York again, dude.

[Craig Worldback]

Who's fired now?

[Danny Kelly]

I watched the Dark Knight the other day and they. Morgan Freeman flies to Hong Kong to tell the guy that we're not buying your company. And he's like, a simple phone call would have sufficed. Just any. Yeah. So I, I will say. And again, Craig years ago said, and it's funny, it still works. But the Steelers just run the chopped offense from the show chopped where they're just like, here's six ingredients, make me a risotto. And it's like the Steelers just have random things that don't have anything to do with each other. And here's Aaron Rodgers, who only wants to play for shotgun. Your offensive coordinator is Arthur Smith, who only wants to understand a running game and then here's DK Metcalf who are going to give 4. It's like 30 million a year and he is like a.

[Craig Worldback]

The polar opposite of Devonte.

[Danny Hyperth]

He's not a technician the way Rogers typically likes to work with.

[Danny Kelly]

Not necessarily a short route dominator, but Rogers is gonna have to throw short routes. It's just make it work And I don't know, I'm. I, I still actually kind of lean to where we ended up on their last episode, which is this team will win nine games, they will make the playoffs and they will get crushed on the wild card round and weirdly be exactly like every other Steelers team but just look better at times because Rogers is better than old Roethlisberger was.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think everybody just hates Rogers and like if Rogers plays 17 games, they're going to, they're going to win nine or 10 games, maybe even 11. I feel that way.

[Danny Kelly]

To me the interesting thing will just be if Arthur Smith can get enough two and three tight end looks to do anything interesting with Rodgers and like can you, can you get a run game going with enough, can you use enough tight ends to offset being shotgun all the time?

[Danny Hyperth]

Speaking game, I think for fantasy purposes in this game, Caleb Johnson, I don't think you should be starting.

[Danny Kelly]

Do not play Caleb Johnson.

[Danny Hyperth]

Jalen Warren is the starter. Kenneth Gainwell is the number two right now Caleb Johnson might be a guy second half of the year. If you have a deeper league, if you like him, you want to hold on to him, that's fine. But I don't think he's going to get a lot of run for a little bit here. So I would not start him.

[Danny Kelly]

Arthur Smith didn't play Bijan Robinson when they took him aether for all. So I don't think Caleb Johnson go. What are 83rd, 88th, whatever. Yeah, I don't know. It's of kind.

[Craig Worldback]

What do you would do you guys like this game to bet on?

[Danny Hyperth]

No, I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

No. Because you know why I think I'm not betting on the jets, but I.

[Craig Worldback]

Would bet Steelers to cover.

[Danny Kelly]

Even when Rogers was elite, like winning MVPs, they started slow all the time like Rogers, they got blown. They would get blown out week one and Rogers would make like almost make the Super Bowl. So I don't want to bet on Rogers in this one. Immediately another game. So the next one here one o' clock or sorry early games one Eastern Raiders are at the Patriots. Patriots are giving two and a half points. I don't want to bet on this game because it's like new. But I do think this is like.

[Craig Worldback]

The best vibes to watch this game.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yep.

[Danny Kelly]

The. These are the two winners of the off season, right, Craig?

[Danny Hyperth]

100%. And I think one of them is like a kind of established vets coming back. It's like Pete Carroll. You have like Geno Smith, I guess Chip Kelly in the NFL. Perhaps it's not established, but you know, a guy who's been around who's had.

[Craig Worldback]

A lot of success coming back.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. Versus all just complete projection in New England. I mean, Drake Mays won one game. Trayvon Henderson's a rookie. Stefan Diggs is new to the team. Mac Hollins is new to the team. Their rookie wide receiver, Kyle Williams, they have a new left tackle. So it is. It is interesting that both of these teams have great vibes, but kind of for different reasons. And this is a game where I'm like, I want both of them to win. I don't. Yeah, I don't know if I have a strong lean. The Patriots are favored by two and a half at home versus the Raiders. To be honest, I would probably lean to taking Vegas.

[Danny Kelly]

I just want the points but I don't want to bet against Rabel, so I don't really want to do. I will say this is if we're drafting the apple B Antizes multi view of what is the four games one up. I think that's these two games. So the Steelers, jets and then Raiders Patriots. The most interesting because the Raiders alone, having Pete Carroll on the sideline, having Chip Kelly as OC running an offense for Geno Smith with Brock Bowers and Ashton Genti's debut is just fascinating. Dk, you love devoted a substantial portion of your adult and professional life to Pete Carroll. What I mean, I don't know. Like what, are you just excited to watch it or is there anything you think either we should look for? Just like emotionally he's the oldest coach in football or college.

[Danny Hyperth]

Is this going to be an immediate impact, do you think?

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I think ironically I think the bigger impact immediately is Geno Smith. The upgrade going from, you know, everything that they had at quarterback last year to Geno Smith is huge. I think Ashton Genti will help them have a little more balance as a run team. I think Pete Carroll is a program builder. So it's not going to be immediate. It's about instilling a culture and in having competition and all the things that Pete Carroll did for the Seahawks and going back to the. To the USC Trojans back in the day, like it that doesn't happen overnight. So I don't necessarily know if he's going like week one. It's going to look like a completely different team. I bet they'll still be sloppy. Pete Carroll teams are sloppy, by the way. Like that's kind of always been a thing. And longer term, as the season goes on, I could see them start to build some momentum. So I think right away the bigger impact to me is this is Geno Smith vs Drake may, like highly experienced veteran with, you know, who's proven it over the last couple of years versus Drake May who's all potential and we love him and we're excited about him but he has very little experience and has won very few games and May.

[Danny Kelly]

Has a little wince in him. May had a little Carson Wentz turnover in the preseason.

[Craig Worldback]

Wrote like just wacky plays like trying to extend things. Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

So I. Sorry. Craig.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, I think dk, I don't know if you've ever watched the Bachelor, but High Fitz, I'm pretty sure you have not.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought I was above it and then I watched it. I'm like, oh, this is the best thing anyone makes.

[Danny Hyperth]

I want, I want to reserve the vague this line. You know how like as the host of the Bachelor, like the Bachelor himself at the end of every episode he gives out a bunch of roses. I want to, I want to give one. I just want to reserve. I want to give a rose to this game just because I do think Vegas minus two and a half. The experience of Vegas versus like everybody.

[Danny Kelly]

Just being experience of the coaches or the players.

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, Pete Carroll and Geno Smith, like.

[Craig Worldback]

Vegas plus two and a half by the way.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, they're. They're favorite. I'm saying like, I mean the Patriots are favored. I'm saying like this young rookie team being favored even though they're at home. I'm kind of like, I just want to. I just want to. I just want to put this Vegas plus half off to the side because we can give it that bad.

[Danny Kelly]

We can give it a rose because at the end of the day you're getting two and a half points from what feels like a toss up for the Raiders and it's Pete Carroll's Geno Smith and yeah, Drake May again. Drake, man, has won one game and to your other point, the Patriots gains are all theoretical because like I'm at the. Who do we head on?

[Danny Hyperth]

The Patriots.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the thing. I'm at the head of the bandwagon for. I think Mike. I think Mike Vrabel could be like, maybe he's probably one of the best coaches in the NFL. But also counting on all. It's all. It's like, Will Campbell's still a rookie left tackle. Like, the offensive line is still bad. Stefan Diggs just. We're just assuming this guy's going to be good off an ACL tear in the middle of the season. And like, someone put it this to me the other way at the end of the other day. I forget how they said it, but they're basically. He's still a number three receiver coming off an ACL tear from the middle of the year. I'm like, he's going to be Your man beater.

[Danny Hyperth]

32 years old.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

I'm like, it's just Christian Gonzalez is hurt, too, by the way.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. And so I just. I don't know.

[Danny Hyperth]

I. I just. I don't know if I'm going to pick this person to marry, but I want to give him a rose.

[Danny Kelly]

I think that's fair. The other thing is, I just. It's so funny to me that Chip Kelly is the Raiders offensive coordinator, because that is. After watching Belichick go down to college, I'm like, getting rocked, which I can't remember. One of you is saying he'd be good on the take perch. I don't remember who.

[Danny Hyperth]

I don't remember anything on the table.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, me neither. But the. I don't know. There's. This is to me the most interesting game. Along with Steelers. Steelers, jets is like healthy curiosity. This is like crazy. Everybody who touches the ball, you're gonna be like, wow. But the Raiders just have more talent, honestly, more experience. All right, we'll put you Rose. Next one is Giants. Commanders. Giants are at Commanders. Giants are getting five and a half points. I. I think we should bet on the Giants getting five and a half points.

[Danny Hyperth]

Give me that. I want you to. To. To. To lay out the pitch.

[Danny Kelly]

Because the Giants are getting a quarterback upgrade. Russell Wilson, especially earlier when he's healthier in the season. I think Russ, like Kyler is better in the beginning than if he gets injured toward the end of the year. And that's why Kyler and Russ fade other than the video games. But I also just think it's simply offenses are just generally not that great in. In week one. And maybe Jaden Daniels will be the exception because he's great, he's young, he's talented, and they have the stability of, like, it's mostly Cliff Kingsbury. They don't have new coaches or whatever. Like that is an aid, so maybe it will help. But it is generally, like, still kind of preseason. And if that's the case, the Giants defensive line's insane. The Giants, I mean, I know Abdul Carter's a rookie, but, man, he beat Dion Dawkins, the Buffaloes, Bills, real left tackle, like, 3 for 3 in the preseason. And I'm like, if it's Abdul Carter, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, Rock, I don't know. I think Washington's only covered this bread once in the last, like, 10 games versus, versus the Giants. And I understand Jaden. They didn't have Jaden Daniels for most of those games. But I'm like, okay, but it was also the worst period of Giants football ever. And the Giant, like, I'll say it again, the worst period of Giants football, like, ever. And Washington covered five and a half points literally, like, one time in the last five years. So I'm kind of like, this is just divisional rivalry. It's close. Like, I, the whole point is week one. We don't know anything. Like, it's always surprising in week one. And I'm just like, it's, it was almost a touchdown spread. I'm like, yeah, the Giants could win this game. I know I'm a little biased, but I, I, I, I, you know, I don't know. I, I, I think that this is a very popular bet. The line, the spread moved down from six and a half to five and a half.

[Danny Hyperth]

I know. Which was surprising to me. This line reads like the Giants are home. I'm surprised it's five and a half in Washington, but, well, the Giants are.

[Danny Kelly]

Getting five and a half watch.

[Danny Hyperth]

It feels like it should be six and a half for, for Washington being at home and only weighing five and a half is a little surprising to me.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I think the largest spreads of the week, though.

[Danny Hyperth]

No, I know. I'm just saying, like, just, just looking at the. I'm like, man, Jaden Daniel is only laying five and a half at home against the Giants. However, I think I agree, I agree with you. I'm willing to put this one in the shopping cart as well. Just.

[Danny Kelly]

Can't you just see the weird Bleacher Report Photoshop of Jaden Daniels, sophomore slump, question mark. And Russ victorious. And Russ does his weird, like, go big Blue afterward. And we have to talk about Russell Wilson being one at undefeated. You know what I mean?

[Craig Worldback]

I just, Russ, the only thing I worry about with. I'm mostly on the same page with you guys on this, but I think the only thing I worry about is The Washington offense is kind of more than other teams like, capable of dealing with a good pass rush because of the scrambling, because of the screen game that they love, the quick game like downfield shots. But looking back, even last year, both games were close.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, the Giants play them well.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah. So I'm down to entertain.

[Danny Kelly]

We'll give it a rose. We'll give it a rose at the end. Here, let me write down the roses we're doing here.

[Danny Hyperth]

I got them.

[Danny Kelly]

You got them at the bottom. Okay, so here. So. Okay, so let's get to the rest of the one o' clock games. But first, the ringer fantasy football show is brought to you by FanDuel. Football fans, the wait is over. The NFL is back. Yeah, it is. And the best place to kick off the season is on FanDuel. Because every game during week one, FanDuel is giving all customers a no sweat NFL bet. From the money line to player props to same game parlays, your no sweat bet can be used on any NFL wager type. And if it doesn't win, you'll get bonus bets back. I'm telling you right now, I am going to bet every week until someone gets hurt or it doesn't work. But I want Christian McCaffrey to score a touchdown. I want Jalen Hurts to score a touchdown. And then I separately want a parlay of Jalen Hurts and Christian McCaffrey to both score a touchdown. And I'm going to just do that every week until I'm just going to see what happens. But I have a hunch that that will just work all year. So this season, make FanDuel your go to app for any snap. Just visit FanDuel.com Ringer Fantasy to kick off the NFL season with a no sweat bet every game day during week one, play your game with FanDuel an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Okay, let's get to the rest of the early games here. Buccaneers, Falcons, Bucks are giving one and a half points. I wrote this down as an immediate rose. And then I realized, you know, the Bucks lost to Atlanta twice last year.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. And kind of shocked me both times with Kirk.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. And so part of me was like, do we overthink this? The Bucs have been underrated for five years. Michael Penix hasn't won an NFL game yet. Like, just take the bucks. Right. Like, I, I don't know, it was one and a half and I was kind of like, oh man, I don't know. It's the same coaching staff that beat him Twice last year. I don't know. I don't know.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think Penix beat the Giants. If it's.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I don't remember that. That's weird.

[Danny Hyperth]

He did win a game.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, I don't think so.

[Danny Hyperth]

Nobody finished dead last.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no.

[Danny Hyperth]

I had a good day. Not that doesn't matter though. Yeah, you're, I mean, this game's in Atlanta. I don't know. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I just.

[Danny Hyperth]

We have no Godwin. We have no Tristan Worfs for Tampa. Yeah, I think this is a tentative. I would go with the Bucks here and we could give it a rose.

[Craig Worldback]

I agree with that. I was talking to Nate Tice about this actually and, and he was mentioning like Todd Bowles going up against young quarterbacks sometimes those types of, of schemes where it's like blitzes and coming from everywhere makes it very difficult for young quarterbacks to know what they're looking at. So that is a big factor, I think. And then the other thing is the Falcons just lost the right tackle, so that could definitely affect things as well. I'd probably just go with the older like more experienced Buccaneers roster here.

[Danny Kelly]

What episode was it the other. We were talking the other day and you said something about like, yeah, you know when like you're smoking a cigarette and you're like, they're like, you know, probably takes four hours of your life and you're like, you know what? It'll die four hours earlier. It's fine. I, I think that is the Todd Bowles against rookie quarterbacks. Like watching Todd Bowles against like Justin Fields, I'm like, this probably took four games off Justin Fields's career. Like that game, right? Like, like Michael Bennett's will play four fewer games in his career because he's going to start against Todd Balls.

[Craig Worldback]

Pennix is a tough one though because he doesn't take sacks. You know what I mean? Like that was a big part of his game in college was he just gets rid of the ball so quick.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it was the fourth season netting injury. You should learn to get rid of the ball.

[Craig Worldback]

But it doesn't always go where it's supposed to go. So I don't know. I think I, I, this is a definitely lean Buccaneers on this one.

[Danny Kelly]

Now I both think Pennx can light up the yard and throw a bunch of like I think Drake London, even Darnell Moody, even they didn't practice on Kyle Pitts. I hate to say it could he Pennixing through a lot of yards. But if there's. You told me there's a pick. If I got a pick six draft of what game's gonna have a pick six? Pennix both airing it out and playing Todd Bowles. I kind of think I would pick the Cardinals because they're playing Saints or the Penic. So fantasy defense. I think the Bucks would totally go. Even though the Atlanta could score a lot of points. I think the Bucks defense is very possible to throw. Like get a turnover here. But yeah, I think let's not overthink it. Like if Pennix beats the Bucks in his first start, cool. Like that's all right. I'll take that.

[Danny Hyperth]

L. I also think, you know, Pennis Penix could have a great game and still lose. I mean the Bucks are only laying a point and a half. It's like this game, this game could be 33 to 30. Pendix looks great. Everyone's like, wow, the Falcons might be better than we thought and they still lost. The Falcon defense is bad enough still where like I don't think the Bucks are going to struggle to score points.

[Danny Kelly]

Tristan Worfs is also as the left tackle for the Bucks, but I do think it matters. Have they had what a month more to figure out than that Falcons with the right tackle. Like that does matter for your week one preparation. Just having like that much more time. Like I think that the Falcons have.

[Craig Worldback]

The 29th ranked defense in DVOA last.

[Danny Kelly]

Year and they're pass rushers of rookies. Like the drafted two rookie defensive ends. I'm like, all right, cool. Week one. Like I don't know. So I agree. Like it's not, they're not Abdul Carter. So I think all right, we'll put a, give a rose to that. We'll circle back at the end. Bengals. Browns. Bengals are giving five and a half points to Cleveland.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is a rat line. This is a stinky rat line. I, this will, I, I, I'm sure this will be the most bet line of the week. Is my.

[Danny Kelly]

You're saying why are the Bengals giving less than a touchdown to Cleveland when we expect Cleveland to be the worst defense team?

[Danny Hyperth]

They are giving less than six points to the fucking Browns and Joe Flacco. And I think everybody's going to be like, oh, the Browns, the Bengals are gonna score 35 points and, and that means that the, the Browns are going to have to score 29, 30 to cover. Oh, there's no way.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm curious what DK thinks. My first thought when I saw this was, well, the Bengals always start slow, but the Bengals, I think, always start slow because we call, you know, Burrow.

[Craig Worldback]

Joe Burrows never had a normal offseason.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, he never a normal offseason. It was like appendectomy, ACL recovery, Covid like calf one year, calf like elbow, like, forgot about the cat last year, throwing two out of every three days was the most he'd ever thrown. In August, he never played the preseason. They did all that this year. Burrow played the preseason. So I don't think it's the starting slow. Dk, do you think there's a chance that what this is suggesting is they actually think Joe Flacco on the Browns might be more competent than you think to move on the Bengals shitty defense early? Because, like, that to me makes even more sense, actually, than Bengals starting slow.

[Danny Hyperth]

I should say that the total for this game is 47 and a half, which is tied for the second highest of the week, which is surprising considering the Browns are in this game. So Vegas is essentially saying they think this game will be 27, 21 Bengals. That equals, you know, that's around 47 and a half. DK, do you think it's possible that Joe Flacco can, like, somewhat keep up?

[Craig Worldback]

Just how bad are the Bengals defense? Is the Bengals defense? That's the question.

[Danny Hyperth]

Last year, I think he beat the Browns 21 to 14 and 24 to 6.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I mean, as much as, like, I think Joe Flacco gives him a higher floor. He's still, you know, how old is he? Like 40. He's still getting up there. Their offensive line is kind of in flux. They're. We don't know who they're starting running back is going to be. You know, they don't have a ton of.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, it's Jerome Ford.

[Craig Worldback]

It's Jerome Ford is the start and. Or Dylan Sampson.

[Danny Kelly]

And Dylan Sampson will probably rotate in.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I don't think they'll be able to keep up. That's the point.

[Danny Hyperth]

My, like, like basic idiot brain sees this and I'm like, absolutely. Five and a half Bengals, where.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's give it a rose and we'll. We'll circle back.

[Danny Hyperth]

You know what I mean?

[Danny Kelly]

I think for fantasy, the Bengals, you're playing baroque Chase Higgins and Chase Brown. There's no question about it. Browns. I don't really. I don't like Jerry Judy, I guess you can play him because maybe, but that's probably it. I wouldn't play Jerome Ford unless you have better options, but. And in Joku, you play in Joke on the Browns, and that's than Judy, I guess. But again, offense is probably gonna be down, so it'd be funny. The Browns actually again, the Saints last year had like 91 points in two weeks, so you never fucking know.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, next week one is always just like, wild. We never know exactly what to expect.

[Danny Kelly]

Speaking of which, the next one here. Panthers are at the Jaguars. Jaguars are giving three and a half points. I don't want to bet this game, but I do think it's funny.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperth]

Over a new goal is a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

The Jaguars, like, I. To me, this is a toss up. I'm like, the Jaguars have a new staff. Travis Hunter is like a rookie and what's his impact at week one gonna be? I mean, I think you give it a lot of credit. Carolina had a bad defense last year, but part of it was Derek Brown. The defensive tackle was out. Part of me is like, are we the Jags just get to be favored by 3 1/2 in their first game? I kind of agree.

[Danny Hyperth]

It shouldn't be over a field goal. I'm surprised by that, but I still don't want to touch.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't want to bet it either if we lose. I don't want to lose this one. I don't want to be in the.

[Craig Worldback]

Slop with these two teams.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't want to start by being like, sweating out a Panthers cover in week one that, like, this is a marathon and I can't start the marathon that way.

[Craig Worldback]

Right, right.

[Danny Hyperth]

I agree.

[Danny Kelly]

I ran a 5k. Eating.

[Craig Worldback]

It's like eating crab before you go run. Go for a run.

[Danny Kelly]

I literally ran a 5k once on zero prep because my friends literally just said was like, you wouldn't do it. And they're like, you won't run a 5k with us tomorrow morning. I was like, oh, it's like two.

[Danny Hyperth]

Isn't that like two and a half miles?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but I. No, but it was like we were drunk. It was in like eight hours.

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

It was like literally in like the next morning and we were kind of drunk. And so the next day I showed up and they were like, oh, yeah, by the way, don't drink water at the start, otherwise you'll have, like, cramps. And I was like, him. And I did it anyway and, like, that's how I would. And I got cramps like, literally a hundred yards into the thing and I couldn't breathe. And I was like, that's how I'd feel. Sweating on a Panther's cover in week one is just like, Drinking water at the start of this thing and be like, I can't move. And we're like two quarters into the season.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. It's like, if we only have to pick five games, I'm happy to sit back and watch and determine whether the Panthers or Jags are for real without having money on the line.

[Danny Kelly]

The only thing I want to mention quickly, because we didn't talk about this yet, is that the Panthers had a weird situation. They traded Adam Thielen to Minnesota because I think he's going to be the Jordan Addison replacement because Jay Naylor is not healthy.

[Danny Hyperth]

Minnesota, 35 years old, Adam Thielen.

[Danny Kelly]

And so. Yeah. And so then the Panthers also cut Hunter Renfro, who had a strange disease situation where he's back now in the NFL, lost a lot of weight. And then Crohn's. Yeah, Crohn's. Yeah, that was it. And so he lost. So anyway, they caught Hunter Renfro, traded Thielen, which was basically like a huge endorsement of Jalen Coker starting for them. And if you have Jalen Coker in fantasy, like, he's going to do well, then within two days, they put Jalen Coker on injured reserve. Basically, extremely inopportune timing. So they called Hunter Renfro 10 times to resign him and his daughter. Hunter Renfro's daughter is playing, watching Bluey on his phone, and ignores all 10 calls.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So they almost missed. Anyway, so all that's to say, I think Ted McMillan is the only rookie this receiver where I'm like, absolutely, you want to play Teddy Roy McMillan, you're.

[Craig Worldback]

Not going to play Travis Hunter this week. I would play Travis Hunter.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't like any of the rookies. I just. I'm like, even Jesse Jones, you're not going to play. I'm not saying you. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but if you don't, if you have a decent option, basically, even Justin Jefferson, who had 1400 yards as a rookie, had 26 yards in week one. Like, it's still their first NFL game. And also, all the offenses are bad. And so I just. In week one, specifically, even in Mecca, Buk or Golden, if they go off on your bench, that's great. Play them. If they suck in your lineup, you're like, why the did I play this guy? His first career start? That's kind of. That's my attitude. Tedro McMillan's the only one where I'm like, I think you should play.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'd probably play golden if Jaden Reed's out.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. That's fine. Okay. Cardinal Saints. I mean, Spencer Ratler starting. The Cardinals are giving six and a half points.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is, I mean, another one that's begging us to take the Cardinals.

[Danny Kelly]

They are begging us to take car.

[Danny Hyperth]

Like the fact that this didn't even get to a touchdown. Six and a half. They're on the road in New Orleans. The Cardinals are like, I would say the Broncos are everyone's favorite sleeper super bowl team this year. The Cardinals are really in that mix.

[Danny Kelly]

Like shield Capadia called them the hipster team.

[Danny Hyperth]

They are. It's like you have the Giants and the Patriots and the Raiders. The Bears Cardinals are. Are definitely in that mix. They were 2 and 6 on the road last year. Arizona know. DK. What do you think about your Saints?

[Craig Worldback]

I. I didn't circle this one as like a, a game to bet on necessarily just because I think the Cardinals, as much as you're right, they're kind of like the hipster team right now. They're unreliable, unreliable, completely unreliable team. It would not surprise me whatsoever if the Saints won this game.

[Danny Kelly]

So here's.

[Craig Worldback]

Or it wouldn't surprise me if the Cardinals blew them out either. You know what I mean? Like it's. I want to make it.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, here's, here's the thing in terms of just whether we want to bet on the game for the Ringer 107 and everything. I do think there's something he said for going down the way you want to go down. Part of me thinks there's something we said for bet against shitty or very inexperienced quarterbacks and if someone's Jaden Daniels like you live with it. So I think the question getting less.

[Danny Hyperth]

Than a touchdown against Spencer Rattle.

[Danny Kelly]

That's what I'm saying. So Dick, I think the question to me is. I agree. I hear what you're saying. When you're like the Saints could be better than you think. My question is, do you think Spencer Rattler can be better than we think? As in, can he be better than a bottom tier starter? Like the bottom tier starter? Is there a chance Spencer Rattler, oh yeah, Maybe he's the 24th quarterback.

[Craig Worldback]

Not in this game for sure.

[Danny Hyperth]

I had this game listed as one of my picks. Again though, I'm a mark because this just seems great.

[Craig Worldback]

It's one of those games. This is the lesson Moneyline parlay with.

[Danny Kelly]

Literally the Saints different coaching staff because Kellen Morris, the cut staff now they literally 91 broke the record for like points in the first half against the Dallas Cowboys for the, like, a Cowboys team record. But this is one of those games where I want to bet the Cardinals. But this is one of those where you're like, there's a. Let's take the points every week. One true.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think we give it a rose.

[Danny Kelly]

We'll give it a rose. Come back around. You're keeping track of the roses, right?

[Danny Hyperth]

I got the rose.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Dolphins are at Indianapolis. I have this one flagged. Indianapolis is giving a point and a half. And I know the Colts, even with a terrible quarterback situation last year with Richardson and Flacco and stuff, but, like, the Colts still won eight games. But I'm like, Daniel Dimes is the quarterback. Daniel Dimes in the flesh, who is DK always says had 15 touchdown passes the best year of his career. I know we all make fun of the Dolphins. I'd probably do it the most, but I'm like, but they are healthy now. And I don't love the Dolphin situation, but I'm like, are we really, like, week one Miami? I don't know. I just. Why the fuck is the Colts favored in this game?

[Craig Worldback]

I couldn't believe this stat, but when I saw it. But it is true. I believe the Colts haven't won their first game since 2013.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you know what's relevant to that, DK?

[Craig Worldback]

I don't know, like, what that means for this year, but it sure doesn't give me a lot of confidence that they're going to win.

[Danny Kelly]

The Colts have had eight different starting quarterbacks in the last nine years. Week one, literally, they've had. Do you want to trivia? Can you name the quarterback starter since 2013? No, no. In the last nine years.

[Danny Hyperth]

Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Gardner Minshu, Anthony Richardson.

[Danny Kelly]

Minshu's not one, believe it or not, but.

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, he didn't start.

[Craig Worldback]

When did Andrew Luck retire?

[Danny Kelly]

Luck is on the list.

[Craig Worldback]

Luck is there.

[Danny Kelly]

You'll never get. You'll never get the eighth. You've got most of them also. Sorry. And I'm cheating because Jones is the six. So you're forgetting one guy. You'll never get him. It's Scott Tolzine.

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, jeez.

[Craig Worldback]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

That was when the luck.

[Craig Worldback]

We would never have gotten shocked.

[Danny Kelly]

He got replaced in the middle of the game.

[Craig Worldback]

So here's the deal. I don't think Daniel Jones is good. I know that he won the starting job over Anthony Richardson and that looks. That's tough. But I don't think he's like a floor raiser for the. Well, he is A flow razor. I don't think he's going to get make them a good offense, not a lid lifter. The Dolphins go ahead.

[Danny Kelly]

No, just to your point. When we look at the guys we're betting against at the end and if Daniel Jones beat like make Jan, it's like the Belichick. You lose a Super bowl because you're like, make, make Manningham catch the ball. And he does like, make Daniel Jones beat us. Right?

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, I, I believe, I can't really remember, but I believe I made this take in the take purge. It's, it's foggy. I never know what really goes on in there. But the games that Tua has started and finished, he wins 65% of his game.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I, I think the Dolphins again. The problem with the Dolphins is we're like, when Tyreek or Waddle, they're all hurt, gets hurt. I'm like, I want to make money on them.

[Danny Hyperth]

Now it seems like a chain is going to play. He's limited with the captain, seems like he's gonna play. Tyreeka seems like he's gonna play.

[Danny Kelly]

Mike McDaniel's talking about like, you know, everybody dies, so, you know, we'll be able to. But yeah, I think we're on the same page with that one. So. Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

The other thing to think about here is the Dolphins secondary is not very good. I don't think Daniel Jones is good enough to take advantage of that. Really?

[Danny Kelly]

Totally.

[Craig Worldback]

And the Colts secondary is completely banged up and in really rough shape. And I think Tua can take advantage of that, namely Waddle and, and Tyreek can take it, take advantage of that.

[Danny Kelly]

And the Coltso lines quietly a mess outside of left tackle. And like Dolphins defense. Dolphins defensive lines. Great.

[Danny Hyperth]

Is good.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree.

[Craig Worldback]

Kenneth Grant, Chop Robinson, Jalen Phillips, Bradley.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we just lock this in? We're on the same page.

[Craig Worldback]

I like this one, man.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's do this. Let's just lock this in.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

There's nothing else?

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

If Danny Jones beats us at week one, then like, all right, that's funny. That's whatever. I can, I can sleep at night.

[Craig Worldback]

Deserve it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, maybe I won't, but you guys will. All right, we're going to get to the afternoon games on Sunday in a second. But first, this episode is brought to you by Hyundai. What makes the all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid an incredible suv? Is it the spacious interior that's comfy for the whole crew or the capability to go off road? Maybe it's the up to 600 miles plus of range. What if it's all of that and more. The all new Hyundai Palisade hybrid. So much more than just another SUV. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad Ryan. Real United Airlines customers.

[Danny Kelly]

We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kathy Andrew.

[Craig Worldback]

I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me.

[Danny Kelly]

Of myself when I was that age. That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

[Craig Worldback]

These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.

[Danny Kelly]

Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.

[Danny Hyperth]

That's how good leads the way.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Craig Worldback]

I think this is a very tough draw for Cam Ward's debut in the NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

Why? Because of the Defensive player of the year, Patrick Certain and the Nick Bedino who just got $160 million contract and.

[Danny Hyperth]

In Denver as well.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I just don't love this for Cam Ward and the Titans. So I would not bet on the Titans here even to cover my only.

[Danny Hyperth]

My only. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't either. I guess Cam Ward could just like come out of nowhere and be great. But my only argument to not betting this is that I think all of our competitors will be betting this and if we don't and Camward covers, then we save ourselves and we have another shot to like get ahead of everybody else. But I.

[Danny Kelly]

But if they all win and we don't take it, we lose. We're behind.

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Again, going back to it. Maybe this is a stupid argument. Even last year, Jaden Daniels, who do we all agree had one of the best rookie seasons we've ever seen. Yeah, I lost by 17 points to Tampa in Week 1. I know I'm kind of like.

[Craig Worldback]

I mean like the tight. I. I'm bullish on the Titans overall, but I mean, who. Who's the number two receiver for the Titans right now?

[Danny Kelly]

I agree. Like we can both. I think Cambord will have a great rookie year. I just kind of don't want to bet on any rookie to play well. And it's similar one like I can't wear balls out Week one. That's cool. Good. If he. If they keep it within a touchdown of Denver. That's awesome. Part of me does want to be an idiot.

[Craig Worldback]

Gonna be like there.

[Danny Hyperth]

Probably Lovely.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah. I'm just gonna say if it's like hot, you're at altitude, it's gonna be tough to play there.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think it'll be fine weather. Let's see.

[Danny Kelly]

You're right. Altitude. I don't know. I just. That one spreads 88 degrees.

[Craig Worldback]

You're gonna be at altitude. I don't know. That sounds pretty shitty for the away team. Not that. Not like kind of just the heat in Tennessee, but like, still.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of just want to lay the points anyway and just be a square.

[Danny Hyperth]

I just certainly. We should give it a rose.

[Danny Kelly]

I give it a rose. Okay. We can come back to it. Just expectations really high for the Broncos. And Sean Payton, frankly, is gassing everyone up in the media and they're talking about them, but I'm just like. I kind of want to do it anyway, so.

[Craig Worldback]

So you want the Titans to cover is what you're saying?

[Danny Hyperth]

No. No Broncos to cover.

[Craig Worldback]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Danny Kelly]

The Costanza would be. Well, no. So many people run it well.

[Danny Hyperth]

Right. Hives. Isn't your week one thing? You bet. They just take the points.

[Danny Kelly]

Week one is just take the points because weird happens and don't worry about it. But I don't know if I've ever done that with like literally you guys first start. But you know what? Maybe we should. It's weird. Jaden Daniels losing by 17 in week one makes me a little weird.

[Danny Hyperth]

Who'd they play?

[Danny Kelly]

Tampa Bay. Which maybe makes us more certain about Tampa Bay versus Atlanta. We'll give it a rose. We'll come back to it. Niners are at the Seahawks dk Sam Darnold's debut as quarterback for Seattle. Emotionally, where are you at on thinking about Sam Darnold walking on. As your quarterback steps in the field first play, what's going through your head?

[Craig Worldback]

I mean, I'm not feeling, like, cocky, if that's what you're wondering. Not feeling.

[Danny Hyperth]

Not as cocky as Bill Simmons, who's all in on Seattle.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I think the 49, 49ers and Seahawks games are always. They always get a little bit weird. This is a great rivalry that goes back, you know, years. The 49ers, the Sears did win. I think the last matchup of the 49ers generally have kind of dominated this matchup over the last couple of seasons. It waxes and wanes or whatever. It goes back and forth. But I, you know, I think this is going to be a tough, ugly game, and it does help. The Seahawks are at home, but I just don't know.

[Danny Hyperth]

They're getting points. The Niners are favorite in this game. The Seahawks are at home, and they're getting two and a half points.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't want to bet. I don't want to bet on this game, personally. If you guys talk me into it, I'm open to it. I do. I just. The Niners opening with that with McCaffrey and without Deborah Ayuk is just so interesting. And Purdy going. Purdy literally is going to make more per game that he used to make per year now. So it's just like, can Purdy be the guy? It's interesting, but I'm like, I don't know. There's so much change going on here of, like, the Seahawks. Like, is the offensive line changes, Is the whole running game to go from terrible to above average? Is the defense going to be one of the best in the NFL? I don't want to bet on the Niners being the bad offense in week one. I don't know. I don't really want to. I just want to watch.

[Craig Worldback]

You don't have a. Yeah, it's.

[Danny Hyperth]

The games I want to bet on are not the games I want to watch. And the games I want to watch are the games I don't want to bet on.

[Danny Kelly]

Isn't that ideal? There you go. Yeah, I. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to touch this. All right, fine. So let's just not touch it, and then we'll talk about this game a lot On Sunday, I think.

[Craig Worldback]

Are you gonna play Cooper cup in this game?

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, my, my hands are tied a little bit in my league because I have Rasheed Rice. So Cooper cup unfortunately will have to, I'll have to make do with him or somebody else on the waiver wire for a little bit. But I do think Cooper cup there is a little bit of, I mean, look, he's not the same guy he once was. I do think that he's going to play a ton of snaps in the preseason with the starters. Cooper cup and JSN both played one. They ran 100 of the routes. They were running routes on 100 of the dropbacks. And I do think it's going to be a lot of like two tight end sets with two wide receivers and it's just going to be JSN and Cooper cup just running a lot of.

[Craig Worldback]

Like crossing routes and yeah. Digs.

[Danny Hyperth]

So I'm not saying Cooper Cup's going to be good by any means. But I do think maybe he could be a, a startable player for you for the first month of the season.

[Danny Kelly]

Before buys if you, if you also need another receiver where you're just kind of like man, I somehow don't have a ton of receivers for whatever reason. I do think Romeo Dubs for the packers are just like probably a guy who's probably the, the guy who will play the most who's just on waivers. Romeo Dubs will just start for Green Bay and he's probably just available in your league. Even if it's kind of even a 14 team league. I kind of think Romeo Dubs is available. I would just go get him. Speaking of which, Lions are at the Packers. Green Bay's giving two and a half points.

[Danny Hyperth]

Give me that.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I, you know, I'm like, I know it's Michael Parsons debut.

[Danny Hyperth]

No, no, I'm saying give me the two and a half points. I want the Lions with the points.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree, I agree. I'm like, I look we are going to see what goes on with the Lions and this offense and losing. Both coordinators lost. Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator became coach of the Jets. Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator became the head coach of the Bears. They lost four other assistants. They have a lot of change over the offensive lineman not be elite. Blah blah blah blah. Packers got Michael Parsons insane. Probably going to debut here. I still the Lions getting points in week one and it's not versus the Bills or Ravens. And I'm like, I make the packers prove it right.

[Craig Worldback]

Can the Lions turn into the Nobody believe In US Team.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of think, just like, I.

[Danny Hyperth]

Think they're going to win the NFC north and them getting two and a half. Them getting almost a field goal in a game.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. And they played. And again, the Lions played the packers really hard last year, but the Lions were really injured in that game. And they're still like, not the healthiest team. But, yeah, I. I'm not gonna lie. I kind of don't want to overthink this. You want to just lock in lines plus two and a half. I can't believe it's Lions. I thought I wrote it down wrong.

[Danny Hyperth]

I agree. When I saw lines getting points, I was like, you know, it's getting points.

[Craig Worldback]

I'm conflicted because I'm kind of one of those people that I'm not sure I believe in the Lions anymore. That, no, nobody believed in this team.

[Danny Hyperth]

I do think we need to turn, like, the goal for Ringer 107. We all need to be in agreement.

[Craig Worldback]

I do think every now and then.

[Danny Kelly]

You'Re gonna have to trust me.

[Craig Worldback]

I think. I think I'm into this bed. I'm down with it because I think there's so much hype about Micah Parsons. I literally just picked the packers to win the super bowl in our stupid, like, predictions thing. And I feel like the Lions are going to come out and be like, well, fuck that. We're still, you know, we're still the man. And I kind of. I kind of like that idea.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you think the Packers. What do you think the lions record is versus Green Bay since 2022. So their last seven games.

[Danny Hyperth]

Six and one, seven zero.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. The lines are six and one versus Green Bay in their last seven games. So the packers are one in one and six versus. And so I understand that the packers are probably closer to Detroit than they've ever been. And I understand the packers. The Lions needed to pull some stuff out of their ass last time they played, but the lines are so banged up when they won that game by field goal. I'm just.

[Craig Worldback]

Is Parsons 100%? Is he going to, like, really know?

[Danny Kelly]

We'll see.

[Danny Hyperth]

He's certainly not 100%. You know, neither is Jaden Reed, who has a Jones fracture in his foot, might not play. You have a rookie, Matthew golden, first game ever. I don't know. I'm like, there's. There's a lot of buzz around Green Bay, rightfully so. The mic, there's just like, everyone's in on Green Bay and the Lions are just sitting there with one of the Best rosters in the NFL getting two and a half.

[Danny Kelly]

Just delete your knowledge of the line for one second. Pretend you have no idea. And I'm like, hey, guys, packers are getting one and a half points. Like, you want to bet them? And you're like, we would talk about it, right? We'd have a conversation about whether we want to bet the packers getting one and a half points, right? Want to think about it? Yeah, well, they're giving two and a half. Let's just take the. I kind of just want to be like we all our immediate reactions was, yes, right.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm in on this.

[Danny Kelly]

I just, I don't. I'm not going to force it, but I do think I like it.

[Craig Worldback]

I'm not like, as confident as you guys, but I like it.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Lock. I can sleep at night. If the Lions. If the Lions lose this game, I'm like, okay, take it. Like, I don't know. Lions getting points, probably. When are we going to see that again? I don't know. Well, maybe. Maybe 100 times. Dick is right. Maybe they're going to fall off a cliff. Okay, what are the other late afternoon games? Texans are at Rams. Rams are giving three. This one's weird because Stafford didn't practice, but he's gonna play.

[Danny Hyperth]

And I don't want to touch this game.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of don't either.

[Craig Worldback]

That's fair. Two good teams.

[Danny Kelly]

Stafford's probably gonna play. I think you play Pukinakua, play Devonte Adams. You play Karen Williams. You don't play Matt Stafford. The Tech. It's weird because these are two great defensive lines. LA and the. And Texans both have awesome defensive lines. But the offensive lines of both teams might be a little creaky.

[Craig Worldback]

And so Rams defensive line against the Texans O line is the only thing that made me kind of like look twice at this game because the Texans are moving guys around. They traded a couple players now. Now their rookie, Ironte Ursari, I think is going to be starting for them. I don't know. It just could be. The Rams could dominate on the defensive line. And the Rams, even though Stafford has missed practice, are as healthy as they're ever going to be with Devonte, Pukin Kyron. But I'm fine with saying line three.

[Danny Hyperth]

This is. This game is like an old school boxing match to me. It's like two good defenses with two good pocket passing gunslingers. I don't know what's going to happen. The Rams length three is kind of a lot. I don't know. I just, I think either team could win this game straight up. This game should be even odds to me, to be honest, which I guess you should. Tells me that I should take Houston, but I don't feel strongly enough to do that.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of just want to see Matt Stafford play football and then go from there. Yeah. I don't know another thing where I'm like, I want to watch it more than I want to bet on it.

[Craig Worldback]

Sure.

[Danny Hyperth]

Are you starting a single Texan other than Nico Collins in fantasy?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I think the running backs. You want to see the running backs are. And then Christian Kirk, hamstring injury. So I'm like, I just. No, you played Nico Collins. That's probably it. And the Texans defense and that's it.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. So those are the afternoon games. So Sunday night football. This is the game of the year. Of the night, yeah. Ravens are at Bills.

[Danny Hyperth]

This actually might be the game of the year.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow. Game of the year. Ravens at Buffalo. Bills are giving one and a half points. I mean, I. Big picture. These teams are like the ultimate. Like, it doesn't. The regular season just doesn't matter anymore. It's like, it's just the same as the last five years. It's like, are Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson going to write their own story or are they just gonna be characters in Patrick Mahomes's story? Because Mahomes has been to five Super Bowls before he turned 30 and Josh Allen, Lamar have combined for zero. So they're going to keep up picking up MVPs and everything. But like, these are playoff bound teams. But it's weird because the Ravens rocked Buffalo last Sunday of football. Like in week four, they Ravens rock Buffalo and then the Ravens lost to Bills in the playoffs.

[Danny Hyperth]

Game like doesn't matter at all and also means everything.

[Danny Kelly]

Ronnie Stanley, who resigned with the Ravens somewhat surprisingly to return as their left tackle for Baltimore, had just a surprising omission. I actually now want to Google it. I'm realizing maybe it was fake. One of the. One of those quotes that I now.

[Danny Hyperth]

Realize that's about to say NBA sent out.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, damn, did I get sent out or did he actually say it? That's just kind of should be my reaction. No. Well, I think it's real.

[Craig Worldback]

What do you say, man?

[Danny Kelly]

Now I'm worried. This is fake.

[Danny Hyperth]

Now give it a shot. Oh, no.

[Danny Kelly]

Raven's website. Yes.

[Craig Worldback]

Even then I'm like, is that real?

[Danny Kelly]

They asked, you know, when they ask a player like, is this just a big game? It's like any other game or are you Just like, you know, Saquon versus the Giants like any other games. Yeah. You know, and they just lie through their teeth. Yeah. You know, just treating it like any normal game, whatever. Ronnie Staley was like been there forever. Said the team that sent us home out of the playoffs. So I don't think it's just going into a normal game per se. We were very unhappy with the result last time we were there. A lot of us will give anything to leave there with a dub which is just like weirdly honest. I love it. And so yeah, the Ravens are probably going to be like crazy hype. Especially they lost last year that week one. Like Isaiah likely toe game. Ironically now he's not going to play.

[Danny Hyperth]

But this is a real stay away for me.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, yeah, I just had a principle. Would take the points like the fact that Ravens are getting a point and a half and like if I had.

[Danny Hyperth]

To pick this game, I agree with you. I would take Baltimore getting a point and a half. But like we don't have to. This game could go either way. I have no strong feel. Like I don't. I think it's way more likely that Denver kills Tennessee by 20 then I have any feel which way this game is going to go.

[Craig Worldback]

I agree.

[Danny Kelly]

It's going to this game Will. Yeah, I agree. I don't. Yeah. Get. I think that's an early thing. Is like the games we want to bet on are just not the games we want to watch.

[Craig Worldback]

It's funny for fantasy purposes. Who are we playing in this game? So Khalil Shakir was full go the other day.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel weird.

[Craig Worldback]

Are you feeling anything about that?

[Danny Kelly]

We had a high ankle sprain and.

[Danny Hyperth]

It'S hard because it's all roster dependent. It's like if you don't have any receivers, if you drafted Rasheed Rice and you have Jordan Addison, you need people to fill. Maybe. Yes. But I would say if you have other receivers that are healthy that you like that are in a similar range to Khalil Shakir, like in our rankings.

[Craig Worldback]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Mark Andrews. I mean if you have Mark Andrews, you're playing him. But I just think he could be really good with Isaiah likely hurt.

[Craig Worldback]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

He's out.

[Craig Worldback]

So Kincaid is another interesting one to see here in terms of like, if this is the year he can finally in the old days, like third year would be when you target tight ends.

[Danny Kelly]

There's no way you're playing in week one, though.

[Craig Worldback]

Well, no, I'm not saying you play him. I'm just saying it's going to be Interesting to see kind of like how he's utilized, how much they work him into the offense. If he's like a big focal point, I don't know because this is like kind of now or never for him.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you playing the rookie tight ends DK in week one, the hardest position to adapt.

[Craig Worldback]

Tyler Warren for sure. I'm less confident in Colson level in week one.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I just.

[Craig Worldback]

But Tyler, Tyler. I've got Tyler Warren going in like a few leagues. I'm like ready for this.

[Danny Kelly]

Makes me a little scared because it's another guy. If he doesn't do anything, you're like, oh yeah, he's a rookie to the end of week one. Right. Monday Night Football. See Ravensville. Speaking of incredible, I'm sure we will lead our Sunday show with that. Monday Night Football. Vikings are at the Bears. Vikings are giving me.

[Danny Hyperth]

I want to go back. I feel like people are going to have questions about this guy Keon Coleman for the Bills.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So keen. Coleman, I hope you have a better option. You can, but I think he is a so volatile. I. Yeah, I just think if you are okay that Keon Coleman gets you two catches for 21 yards and hope he gets you 110 yards for the touchdown. Sure. They've had all year to scheme it up, but I don't know, I mean, what are you would you got? I would prefer someone else, but. What do you think, Craig?

[Danny Hyperth]

I think that there's a chance that Keon Coleman becomes the red zone threat for Buffalo in the passing game. And I do think with Khalil Shakir's ankle, I don't know, I actually think you could do worse. There's been a lot of positive reports about Keon Coleman coming out of camp this year. I don't know. I'm a little bit skewing on the. On the optimistic side for Keon Coleman and like what he could be in this. When he was playing last year, he was their most targeted wide receiver when he was on the field. And I. And it's like, I think Josh Palmer's a good player. I don't think he's going to take over Khalil Shakir's banged up.

[Danny Kelly]

You have Dalton K. It's not the take purge Craig.

[Craig Worldback]

Now you say here's a reference.

[Danny Hyperth]

Coleman.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. You know, wow, you've made fun of me for capitulating in Travis Hunter. Dk.

[Danny Hyperth]

Do you think that's a good player?

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, you said. No, he said he's a good player. Like, you know, you know how you said it. Dk, do you think I'm. I think I. In my head, I just kind of lump and can call him with rookies where I'm like, I'd rather those guys go off on my bench. And then I'm like, oh, cool, I can play them now.

[Danny Hyperth]

They're good. I'm not saying, we're not saying, like, stardom over Bucky Irving. I'm saying, like, you know, when you're, when you're down in the trenches and it's like you're looking at him or whatever, Darnell Mooney or something like that, I'm like, I lean towards. You should start. Keon Coleman. Dk, how do you feel?

[Craig Worldback]

I have not really thought about him one time this whole off season. I feel like. And so I would probably not start him.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Hyperth]

Glennsburg.

[Craig Worldback]

He really has been, he really has been in Glensburg. It wouldn't surprise me, like, if, if you're right and he ends up being, you know, having eight or nine touchdowns this year or whatever. But I don't know. I'm just, I haven't really considered him in any of my drafts.

[Danny Kelly]

It's really simple. It's like, if he can beat man coverage, he could be incredible. But I would like to see him do it in a game of, like, if he, if he becomes a man coverage beater for Buffalo, then, yeah, he could be incredible, and he could be one of the most important players of the year. But if he cut, doesn't it just. He can't. Okay. Monday Night Football. Vikings are at the Bears. Vikings are giving a point and a half. This is the other one where I'm like, I literally, my literal thought was Vikings defense versus Bears, week one. What am I missing? I'm like, right, J.J. mcCarthy.

[Danny Hyperth]

What a, what a spotlight for both these quarterbacks, man. This is throwing them right into the deep end, seriously. Vs. JJ Monday Night Division game.

[Danny Kelly]

I I Brian it's also funny that Ben Johnson stated within the division in NFC north. So it's like quite the chess match of, like, Flores trying to figure out what's going to work in the middle of the game versus whatever Ben Johnson starts doing. The thing I'm looking for in real life in this game is just, I think the first Bears drive will probably be good. Like, the free season was good. I think the first script, the first 15 plays or whatever Ben Johnson scripts. I hope that goes well for the Bears. And I'm really curious how, like the second and third, like, after the first quarter is when I will start judging the Bears and I'm really really curious how Caleb does on third and long long or frankly how good they are at skipping third and long versus a Vikings defense that is crazy blitzes, terrible secondary but an incredibly exotic front seven and just gets at you in all these crazy ways. And the Bears issues last coaching staff was all these crazy offensive line miscommunications. Literally just no one knows their assignments and it will be interesting to see if the Bears are this is quite the test of week one. This is one of those where I know it's JJ McCarthy's first NFL game too and he's basically a rookie but I this is like a really interesting stress test for Chicago to have Week one.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah in prime time.

[Danny Hyperth]

I would bet Minnesota if I had to but this is again I think we have enough roses that we've given out.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think we so let's go through the roses here. So today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by Fanduel the Roses here. So we basically locked in the Dolphins getting points for Indianapolis just out of principle of Daniel Jones and healthy Dolphins. We're locking in the packers. Sorry the Lions getting points versus Green Bay when the Lions are one in six in the last seven games for Screen Bay. And then how do we feel about Broncos Titans? Are we going to just take are we going to be lay a bunch of points even though it's usually a bad idea in week one just because Cam was a rookie?

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm okay with it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Part of me's like man, I know the defense is volatile year to year blah blah blah blah. My cambord's whole thing is he just rips passes and I'm like I I don't know. I just the Denver defense, I don't know man. I I know maybe the Titans offensive line's better and Kim words good immediately but I'm like I don't know.

[Craig Worldback]

I can't support the Titans are a real work in progress here.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think we locked those three in which we now have one, two, three, four, five more roses. We have to choose two out of these five. We have the Raiders plus two and a half versus the Patriots. We have the Giants plus five and a half versus the Commanders. We have the Bucks minus one and a half versus the Falcons, Bengals minus five and a half versus the Browns and the Cardinals minus six and a half versus the Saints.

[Craig Worldback]

And the other thing too to mention is we could take two. We could take a moneyline parlay.

[Danny Hyperth]

We can. We can't parlay Moneylines together. As long as the odds are minus.

[Danny Kelly]

120 or worse, I feel fine with two of these games I did get. Where do you my lean looking at this is Bucks minus one and a half at Atlanta. And that's another one where I'm like, if Michael Penck walks in and beats a Todd Bulls defense in week one, I can live with that personally.

[Craig Worldback]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, I just, I agree with that.

[Danny Hyperth]

Let me lay this on you, though. Oh, let me lay this on you.

[Craig Worldback]

Let's have it.

[Danny Hyperth]

Cardinals, bengals, moneyline parlay minus 105 minus.

[Craig Worldback]

I literally had that Cardinals. I had that pulled up on FanDuel.

[Danny Hyperth]

And I was Moneyline parlay. He's got to win the game.

[Danny Kelly]

Tie two teams to win in week one when literally the most hardest to beat the Browns.

[Danny Hyperth]

They can't.

[Danny Kelly]

It's the hardest predict. It's the hardest predict week in the whole season.

[Craig Worldback]

Maybe the Bengals have been very bad in the beginning of the year.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I do think the Bengals will be better, but they literally Joe Bar ever won in the first two weeks of season. And I don't even case as to.

[Danny Hyperth]

Why they didn't win because he always, always had slow starts because he was injured, which is not the case this year.

[Craig Worldback]

You could do, you could do Commanders and Cardinals moneyline parlay.

[Danny Hyperth]

Now, see, I'd rather feel good about the commanders. No, because I think the Giants could beat the Commanders. Like, I, I don't think if the Cardinals or Bengals lose to the Browns and Saints, I'll be shocked.

[Danny Kelly]

If you think the Giants could win, why wouldn't we just take the Giants getting five and a half if you think the Giants could win?

[Danny Hyperth]

Because I think they could lose by 20.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, let's just do process of elimination here. Are we taking the Raiders getting points with the Patriots or do we not want to mess with that?

[Danny Hyperth]

I think that's, I think that's too much of a coin flip.

[Danny Kelly]

I do kind of think Gino is. I like identified. There's a talent disparity there in those teams. And I know Variable's a good coach.

[Danny Hyperth]

But part of me, like that's fine in New England.

[Danny Kelly]

It's also Josh McDaniels Patriots OC versus the Raiders who smoked cigars when he was fired, which is funny.

[Danny Hyperth]

So you're saying a little revenge element.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, not many of those players are left. But still.

[Craig Worldback]

I will say literally, I literally circled the same exact thing you just said.

[Danny Kelly]

So if you guys both independently thought of it, then we can. All right, fine. So screw it then if you both.

[Danny Hyperth]

We still need one other line.

[Danny Kelly]

So what are we talking about?

[Craig Worldback]

Broncos, Lions, Dolphins?

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, we're taking the Bucks.

[Craig Worldback]

Do you agree?

[Danny Kelly]

So you're saying the Moneyline parlay would be the Bengals have to beat the Browns and Arizona's to be the Saints.

[Danny Hyperth]

Correct.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, let's. Let's lock that in.

[Danny Hyperth]

And then. And then we're taking the Bucks, laying a point and a half to Atlanta.

[Danny Kelly]

I will say everyone in this league is going to have the Giants beating Washington, I think. Well, you know what? I don't want to get into the reverse. Like, I just want to pick games. I don't want to get it.

[Danny Hyperth]

I agree. Do you want to. Do you want to make the case to squeeze in the Giants here? Do you want to kill the parlay and add the Giants?

[Craig Worldback]

This is like the money ball. We can give one person.

[Danny Kelly]

The Giants are competitive, but if I'm being honest, I think. If I'm being consistent, I think the Giants shouldn't. The Giants are pretty talented to, like, be. Well, listen to what I just said. The Giants biggest issue is offensive line and secondary. The Washington defensive line sucks. Terry McLaurin could torment Deontay Banks. They have had a long time to think about how they want to defend Terry McLaurin in this game and not let Terry McLaurin be in it. But also, Cliff Kingsbury's had a lot of time to think about this offense. I don't like that Cliff Kingsbury.

[Danny Hyperth]

Everybody's had a lot of time.

[Danny Kelly]

And so what I like about what we're doing here. I know. No, but. But time is more valuable to some who have a history of taking advantage of. Of it. Not all teams do. Andy Reid has a history of making it work. Cliff Kingsbury, I think, has a history of being, like, making stuff work. And that's where I'm leaning. My point being, I feel good about. We're betting against Cam Ward, we're betting against Daniel Jones, we're betting against Spencer Rattler, Joe Flacco parlay, and we're betting against Pennix, against Todd Bowles. That all makes sense to me. And then the Lions, Jordan Love, because that's just the Lions out of principle.

[Danny Hyperth]

We're getting a top five roster in the NFL, getting a half points.

[Danny Kelly]

Betting against Jaden Daniels would stick out like a sore thumb. So I am okay not betting the Giants.

[Craig Worldback]

Question, are we going to be the only podcast that does a parlay? Because it's stupid.

[Danny Kelly]

That's my thing is parlays are probably just Stupid. But also these teams. Also, these teams suck. So it now I do think it's week one. One of these teams will win. Whatever. I, I. Let's do it. Let's do this. So we're saying Bucks giving a point after Atlanta Bengals have to beat the Browns and Cardinals have to beat the Saints. Is one bet together. Yeah. Dolphins getting points versus Indianapolis, Broncos giving eight and a half versus Tennessee. But fuck it, it's his first start. Lions getting two and a half from greenback. I say we do this unless anyone has turnkey. Anyone have any qualms, speak now. Forever hold your peace.

[Danny Hyperth]

Should we have a fantasy burn book and a betting burn book this year? Because if the Bengals lose to the Browns, I'm out. Yeah, I'm out.

[Craig Worldback]

You're out on the bench.

[Danny Kelly]

I just want to remind you, you called it a rat line, and then we're throwing it at a moneyline parlay.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Okay, it then.

[Danny Hyperth]

Look, do you. I'll give you. I'll give you the gun right now. Do you want to kill that parlay?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I want to. I want to go with this.

[Danny Hyperth]

All right, well, then I don't want to hear your. If the. If you have to hear me.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, that's not the. You know what I will say. My attitude with this is it's like beer pong, okay? There is no I. There is no you. There is we. You did not miss a shot. You like, it's about the next shot. And we're doing. We're in this together. There is when we turn the keys, we all turn the keys together. And we're all in this together. There's no blame. There's no nothing. It's all positivity. And if we lose, we went, what? We go one in four this week. We go one in four, and it's on to the next one. That's my only rule for this. I don't think we want to get into blame. So, no, I am on board with the parlay. All right. Do you. Are you dk. You cool with these? Yeah.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, let's do it, then. So we'll post this on Instagram.

[Craig Worldback]

I was just thinking of Arrested Development when Buster, he's with Lucille Bluth 2. No, sorry. Lucille 2. And he's like our vertigo. It's our vertigo.

[Danny Kelly]

It's our vertigo. It's our vertigo.

[Craig Worldback]

This is our vertigo right here.

[Danny Hyperth]

It's Liza Minnelli, right?

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah.

[Craig Worldback]

Lucille 2.

[Danny Kelly]

Lucille 2. I love that.

[Craig Worldback]

Lucille 2. His mom is Lucille 1.

[Danny Kelly]

Today's Ringer 107 was brought to you by FanDuel Odds subject to change. Okay, let's. Can I read you one email and let's get out of here. Yeah, yeah, all right. I actually lied. This is not an email. This is something I saw on Instagram. But it's important.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

So we've been talking about lefties for a while now. And it started actually with lefty bias of Craig being left handed, being annoyed about scissors. And we were joking that it's like just this thing in society. No one, none of us feel bad about the lefties being excluded from certain things.

[Danny Hyperth]

I don't know why I feel like.

[Danny Kelly]

You should, but I agree we pro. I probably should feel bad about it, but I don't. And like, maybe that's on me, but I feel like no one else does either. So anyway, I wanted to read something that I think will speak to your heart. Craig. I saw this shout out the Washington Post. Who wrote this up?

[Danny Hyperth]

Hell yeah. Wapo.

[Danny Kelly]

Wapo.

[Danny Hyperth]

Wapo. W Bone Bezos Bebone.

[Danny Kelly]

The title of the article is Rare Lefty snail seeks 1 in 40,000 mate.

[Danny Hyperth]

Rare lefty snail seeks 1 in 40,001 mates. He's looking for another lefty snail. What are you talking about?

[Danny Kelly]

So this type of snail.

[Danny Hyperth]

What is a lefty snail?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I'm glad you asked.

[Danny Hyperth]

He let it sit there for a second like we had to respond. I was like, any of that means woman.

[Danny Kelly]

So there's this type of snail in New Zealand. This woman found a snail in her garden that the swirl on the shell does not go in a right like clock. It goes counterclockwise. It's like a lefty snail, which is a rare thing. It's like 1 in 40,000 snails. Or go lefty instead of righty on the shell. So I'm going to read from that. We have that stat quote. It's weird that we get.

[Craig Worldback]

Who's in charge of keeping track of that?

[Danny Kelly]

That's a great question.

[Danny Hyperth]

1 2-39,999. Jim, get in here. You're never gonna believe this. What was the over under?

[Danny Kelly]

Should ask you.

[Danny Hyperth]

28 000.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, we should put that in the Moneyline parlay. This guy gets a. A mate. So anyway, so according to the Washington Post, Ned's rare shell may have kept the birds at bay because the birds couldn't recognize it was a snail. Which. How the does that work?

[Craig Worldback]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

I know that's a whole other thing. And look, the birds couldn't eat them. I don't know.

[Craig Worldback]

Birds are Like, I don't know about this.

[Danny Kelly]

Who knows?

[Danny Hyperth]

Anyway, that's a lefty bias.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. Quoting the Washington Post. The lefty show means Ned will probably be forced into a life of celibacy. While snails are hermaphrodites, they have both male and female genitalia and reproductive organs with both partners. Oh, Jesus. I didn't really read this before I put it in the doc. Wow. This is the Washington Post. What I'm about to say is the Washington Post for children. I would pause. Okay, pause buffer here. For children. Yeah, I'm just going to drag that out for the people are driving and frantically.

[Craig Worldback]

It's not that crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

Not that bad. He says, while snails are hermaphrodites, they have both male and female genitalia and reproductive organs with both partners exchanging sperm during the slimy affair. Okay. The spiraling of the shell for lefty snails means that their bedroom bits are reversed and unable to match up with those of a righty partner. So. So I just didn't like the term slimy affair. But that's he lefty snail. He can only mate with another lefty snail. So instead of an incel. He's literally an in shell.

[Craig Worldback]

Oh.

[Danny Kelly]

So they're trying to find this lefty snail. They're trying to find another lefty snail. Because they're both male and female, they're trying to find another lefty snail.

[Craig Worldback]

They should ask the guy who's counting these things.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. So this guy who's a New Zealand illustrator, author. This guy. Clarkson, something New Zealand Geographic is working or. Sorry, it's a woman. Teamed up with her colleagues at the magazine and mobilized the curious to comb through their gardens and yards for potential lefty lovers. So I wanted to see. Do you think the Ringer fantasy football show can find Ned a lefty snail mate so he doesn't go his whole life as an incel.

[Danny Hyperth]

So we're gonna tell all of our listeners to go out and look for lefty snails.

[Danny Kelly]

If you have guard. Yeah. In your garden. If you can find a lefty snail. Google the Washington Post. Lefty snail.

[Craig Worldback]

I'll do it.

[Danny Kelly]

And if you can find a lefty snail, I think this people in New Zealand will fly this snail.

[Danny Hyperth]

Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

To mate with the lefty snail. I can't confirm that. But science, if you are able to identify a lefty snail. Yeah.

[Danny Hyperth]

For science freaks. Want to watch these snails.

[Danny Kelly]

Care about lefty bias. Craig, put your money in your snail where your mouth is. I'm like, let's find netimate. So email Ringer Fantasy football, gmail dot com. You can find a lefty snail in your garden.

[Craig Worldback]

All right, I'm gonna. I'll look. I've got snails in my backyard trying to spread love.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, we're gonna find a lefty snail, Ned. Also, if you live in D.C. and you want to adopt a cat, there's a great cat in an alley by where we live. Really great clipped. You know, it's got. It's all shots, it's got all scenes. It's great. It's really nice cat. We want to find it home for winter. And if we.

[Craig Worldback]

You have a cat, you have another cat at your house right now?

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, it's in an alley. It's the same alley. We got our cat. And I'm not gonna lie, we might take the cat if we can't find anyone.

[Danny Hyperth]

How do you know it has all of its shots?

[Danny Kelly]

Because it's like clip the ears clipped. It's like a community cat. So the ears clipped, which means it's been given vaccines. And it's also, we know the woman who's kind of taken care of it, she can't take it because her cat doesn't get along with it, like, but her catch is a little finicky. This cat's wonderful. And we got. We might take it in a second cat, but if.

[Craig Worldback]

Are you sure it's not just a cat that doesn't like its current home and just lives in other places?

[Danny Kelly]

We know the woman takes care of it. Very good. Very well. Care. Anyway, if any Emails, Ringer, Fancy football, genes. Com. If you want an awesome cat, you.

[Danny Hyperth]

Know, there's another article here from npr. Eight years ago, Jeremy, the lonely, left twisting snail dies. So there was one. If you just Google lefty snail, there's a Wikipedia article that comes up for Jeremy. Jeremy was garden snail. He has a whole Wikipedia page for him.

[Danny Kelly]

Does he really? Jeremy, the lefty Jeremy Parentheses snail snail.

[Danny Hyperth]

He has a rare condition.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow, garden snail.

[Danny Hyperth]

I feel like there's a Pixar movie here waiting to be made.

[Craig Worldback]

Don't tell.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, maybe not the sexual part, but the fact that the, you know, the lefty snail who's looking for his mate. The. The Jeremy had fit her slipper.

[Danny Kelly]

They named Jeremy after Jeremy Corbyn, the British politician.

[Danny Hyperth]

I'm unfamiliar with his policies.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think he's left or right? I'll give you two guesses. If you think he was on the.

[Danny Hyperth]

Left or the right, I get two guesses.

[Craig Worldback]

Wait, was he left? You was left handed? Was he left handed or left leaning?

[Danny Hyperth]

It'd be really funny if he was, like, a staunch Republican, alt right, super conservative.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow. So I guess I'm late. They already did a worldwide appeal for a different lefty.

[Craig Worldback]

This feels like a. This feels like a hoax of some sort.

[Danny Hyperth]

At first, it was thought to be a rare genetic mutation, although later work revealed that it was likely due to an accident in early development.

[Craig Worldback]

Yeah, I was going to say is if. Wouldn't it. If this was really good for not getting eaten by birds. Have been.

[Danny Hyperth]

Is this like, will they all evolve to.

[Craig Worldback]

Right. Maybe not. Hasn't happened.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, the birds have probably figured out. Is this photo of Jeremy on the nether snail. Is this them mating? Is the Wikipedia photo Jeremy copulating?

[Danny Hyperth]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it is.

[Danny Hyperth]

But he's on top of it, right? Wait, wait. He's on top of a right coiling snail. They. They can't copulate.

[Danny Kelly]

They're failing.

[Craig Worldback]

Trying.

[Danny Hyperth]

Jesus. He's mounting. Her name is Teresa, by the way. Jeremy is mounting Teresa. Unsuccessful.

[Craig Worldback]

Unsuccessfully, I might add. Fumbling around down.

[Danny Hyperth]

This might be assault.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, is it named Teresa after Theresa May? Just. She was. Oh, my God. Theresa May. Oh, my God. She's the Prime Minister.

[Danny Hyperth]

I think we might love the British politics humor. I think Jeremy's canceled. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. I wish I knew him.

[Craig Worldback]

Got two left feet, more like it.

[Danny Hyperth]

Who is Teresa?

[Danny Kelly]

Theresa May? She was the Prime Minister of England. No, no, no. Not England. Sorry, Not England. She was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I can tell. I was going to get that yelled at for that.

[Danny Hyperth]

I was talking about. Who's Theresa the snail? Not Theresa May. Just wanted to learn more about Theresa. There's no info on Teresa the snail. Why? Like, why. Why is she of note? Why does she have a name? Do they name? I thought you named lefty snails. Why are you naming a random righty snail?

[Danny Kelly]

They can't. Well, maybe they should do it. They count every snail and name them all. 40,000.

[Craig Worldback]

Maybe because they took a picture together.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Probably just was a fun bit. Couldn't get their bids. Okay. All right. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for emailing at ringer fantasy football gmail.com. email us about the lefty snail if you want to find.

[Danny Hyperth]

You know what's funny? Jeremy Corbin tabled a motion of no confidence for Theresa, maybe. Oh, they were in opposition.

[Danny Kelly]

I think that's the joke.

[Danny Hyperth]

That's the joke that they were in opposition, but the snails are trying to.

[Danny Kelly]

Copulate but they can't like, no confidence.

[Craig Worldback]

Wow, that's pretty cheeky British humor.

[Danny Hyperth]

They're really like, thinking about this. Okay.

[Craig Worldback]

I don't know who's got our slapstick.

[Danny Kelly]

Nothing gets us more emails from Happy Gilmore.

[Danny Hyperth]

Could never.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, exactly. Thank you to everyone. Again, our rankings, fantasy football.com or week one rankings. So go to fantasy football.theo.com for our week one rankings are there for start sit. And yeah, we're gonna. Sunday nights, Monday nights or. Well, Sundays. Well, I guess we're recording Sunday nights, but the show comes out Mondays, Tuesdays. Greg.

[Craig Worldback]

I'm having Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig the Snail broke me. Finished the goddamn show.

[Danny Hyperth]

So we're gonna be recording after the Sunday night games. Those that'll be up the next morning. Then we're going to record after the Monday night game, which is new for us, plus waivers that'll go up the next morning. And then we're going to do Power Hour on Wednesdays and our preview on Fridays.

[Danny Kelly]

So I used all my brain power to try to remember who Theresa May was.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Finish the. Couldn't finish the job. All right, what do I do now?

[Danny Hyperth]

Say thank you to Lauren.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny Hyperth]

Lord.

[Craig Worldback]

Thank you, Men at Work.

[Danny Hyperth]

Nice.

[Danny Kelly]

Nice. I could have a.

[Craig Worldback]

From London and what else?

[Danny Kelly]

Different country, right?

[Craig Worldback]

Australia. Yeah, Yeah, I know. That's a different country than England slash Great Britain. It is a Commonwealth country. Isn't it, though?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, we had this whole conversation once. It just thinks weird is the British common. We got a lot of angry emails because.

[Danny Hyperth]

Did you honestly think DK thought the Land down under was.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I was being an.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I actually was just trying to figure out what. Why he chose.

[Danny Hyperth]

Okay.

[Craig Worldback]

The Beatles.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no. I actually was serious. Were you listening to Men at Work recently or were you trying to make a pun and something we were talking about? I was just curious.

[Craig Worldback]

No, I was not trying to make a pun. I just thought of them.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. It's funny, don't they. They just show up and do that song during Scrubs, like three times. I feel like I never watched Scrubs. Really? Scrubs is great.

[Craig Worldback]

I have never either.

[Danny Hyperth]

There's a band called Snail from Santa Cruz.

[Craig Worldback]

Oh, nice.

[Danny Hyperth]

Shout out them.

[Danny Kelly]

Is that like the. No, it's the Banana Slugs. Are there. What's the shirts they wear in Pulp Fiction? Santa Cruz? Banana Slugs.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, Banana Slugs.

[Danny Kelly]

But they went. But they're from Santa Cruz and went with Snails.

[Danny Hyperth]

Yeah, I guess so. They toured with sticks in the Doobie Brothers, so.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow.

[Danny Hyperth]

Check out Snail.

[Craig Worldback]

Unfortunately, we looked at the Internet and snail is racist. So snail's been milkshake.

[Danny Hyperth]

Well, Jeremy is has some. I have some questions for Jeremy.

[Danny Kelly]

Jeremy's canceled. I'm just kidding.

[Danny Hyperth]

They're not really rich. Jeremy has.

[Craig Worldback]

Not that I'm aware of.

[Danny Hyperth]

RIP Jeremy the Snail.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Hyperth]

This episode is supported by FX is.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Hyperth]

Allow us to introduce you to Lee.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Hyperth]

He must be onto something big.

[Danny Kelly]

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