Falcons Bully Bills, Caleb-Jayden Round 2, Power Ranking Teams With Worst Vibes, and Fantasy Court

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Title: Falcons Bully Bills, Caleb-Jayden Round 2, Power Ranking Teams With Worst Vibes, and Fantasy Court
Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (DK), Craig Horlbeck

Episode Overview

This “Power Hour” Wednesday episode is packed with post-Week 6 reactions, beginning with recaps of the Monday Night Football doubleheader (Falcons-Bills and Bears-Commanders), deep dives on emerging storylines (Bijan Robinson’s breakout, Buffalo’s health crisis, rookie QB progress), and analysis of the League’s “Worst Vibes” teams. The trio closes with Fantasy Court—sorting out a name-mix-up dynasty disaster—and listener emails sharing wild childbirth stories and embarrassing moments.

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Main Discussion Segments

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1. Monday Night Football Recaps

Falcons 24, Bills 14

[02:09–11:12]

• Falcons’ Defensive Dominance

  • DK (Danny Kelly) is pressed for doubting Atlanta’s defense earlier. Heifetz points out how they now top defensive DVOA and have consistently restricted teams to under 300 yards for the first time since 1998 ([09:10]).
  • Quote:
    “I think the biggest thing we learned from that game is the Panthers are maybe kind of good...the Falcons looked awesome in this game on both sides of the ball.” — DK ([02:48])

• Drake London’s Near Miss

  • London had a monster night: 10 catches, 158 yards, 1 TD, including 9 for 147 by halftime, but he notably stepped out before a would-be second TD ([03:26]).
  • DK blames London for missing the end zone.
    Quote:
    “He should have scored there. He, he blew it. He had, like, he should have scored there.” — DK ([03:30])

• Bijan Robinson Supernova

  • Bijan: 25 touches, 238 yards, 1 TD. Now leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage.
  • Hosts gush about Bijan’s mix of highlight moves and hyper-efficient running style. DK praises Atlanta’s use of the pistol formation to accentuate Bijan’s vision and patience ([05:10–06:04]).
  • Quote:
    “He’s clearly the best running back in the league, and they’re always getting him the ball in space.” — Craig ([05:38])
  • Heifetz: “Sometimes, fair or not, you do need a primetime game for everyone to actually agree on something...Bijan is just firmly the best running back in the league.” ([07:11])

• Bills: Decimated by Injuries

  • Heifetz reads a stacked list of injured starters—highlighting a “hospital ward” situation on defense, and chaos on offense due to the lack of a healthy O-line ([11:13]).
  • DK: “Pretty much every other team you see, if they’re this injured...almost all the time you see teams completely crater.” ([12:30])
  • The hosts debate if Buffalo’s problems are actually just bad luck or something deeper; consensus: vibes are grim, but so are the injuries.

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Bears 27, Commanders 26

[15:05–22:27]

• Caleb Williams vs. Jayden Daniels (Rookie Showdown)

  • Bears win on last-second field goal after chaotic fourth quarter: missed kicks, fumbles, and swings in momentum.
  • DK: “This was just a game that, again, was, you know, one foot in front of the other in terms of the Bears starting to turn into a real team.” ([17:41])

• Running Back Revelations

  • DK is especially impressed by DeAndre Swift (“running like a madman”) and notices Chicago starting to use rookie Luther Burden more.
  • Craig points out Troy Aikman’s clear distaste for Caleb Williams’ style: “Troy does not seem to be the biggest fan of Caleb Williams.” ([17:46])

• Caleb’s Growth & DJ Moore’s Wild Injury

  • Hosts highlight flashes of greatness but lingering rookie mistakes.
  • DJ Moore’s “groin injury” leads to wild speculation (possible testicular torsion), with the trio spiraling into a comedic anatomy deep-dive ([21:06–24:16]).

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2. Power Ranking the NFL’s Worst Vibes Teams

[27:46–63:26]

Hosts each submitted a Top 10; results are averaged. Discussion is vivid and tradeoffs are debated.

Top 10 “Worst Vibes” Teams Summary

| Rank | Team | Key Reasons / Notable Quotes | |------|----------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 1 | New York Jets | Winless, negative passing yards, leaderless; “Who’s the leader?”—DK ([30:02]) | | 2 | Miami Dolphins | Locker room split, Tua drama, McDaniel “on last legs” | | 3 | Tennessee Titans | #1 pick QB (Cam Ward) underperforming, franchise in a rut | | 4 | Cleveland Browns | Forever cursed, traded QB to a rival, “Browns fans are dead inside.” | | 5 | Arizona Cardinals | Forever stuck with Kyler, WHITHER go from here? | | 6 | Baltimore Ravens | Title expectations, crushed by injuries, hope but dire | | 7 | San Francisco 49ers | “Cursed” by injuries, fans in existential dread | | 8 | Las Vegas Raiders | Carroll experiment a letdown, “Same old Raiders” | | 9 | Philadelphia Eagles | Defending champs, but “lowest vibes in 4 years” | | 10 | New Orleans Saints | “Hungover”, cap mess, listless with little hope |

• Memorable Breakdowns:

  • Dolphins Drama: “People hate the quarterback and the coach is getting fired.” — Heifetz ([37:12])
  • Browns Trade: “Tomlin...‘must be a lot smarter than me or us. Because it doesn’t make sense to me to trade a quarterback to a division opponent.’” ([41:21])
  • Eagles Slide: “Eagles fans are distraught...this is maybe the lowest the vibes have been in four years.” — Craig ([57:57])
  • Raiders Stagnation: “It’s just same old fucking Raiders. This year. They’re a total mess.” — DK ([54:45])

• Vibe Science:
  DK: “Happiness is expectation minus reality.”
  Heifetz: “It wouldn’t be hard to convince me the Ravens vibes are worse than the Browns because the Browns are dead inside...”

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3. Fantasy Court: Name Mix-Up in Dynasty Disaster

[67:39–75:43]

• The Case: Commish mistakenly approves a blockbuster deal for “T. Etienne”—intending Travis, but it was Trevor (the little brother; not an NFL starter) for high picks.
• Hosts’ Verdict:
  • DK: “If you reverse this trade, the guy who made this blunder...he still learned his lesson”
  • Solution: Reverse the trade but recommend a “penalty” (e.g., forfeit a lower pick or name change), finding a punishment that’s both fair and funny.

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4. Listener Emails & Off-the-Rails Moments

[76:26–end]

• Childbirth Stories:
  • “Hours after I delivered a baby, my husband says, ‘my back really hurts.’” — Alana email ([76:26])
  • Husband watching Bob’s Burgers during wife’s 26-hour labor; wife, in a fentanyl haze: “this motherfucker’s just sitting there...watching Bob’s Burgers. Fuck this guy.” ([77:45])
• Wildest Fantasy Draft Strategy:
  • JBone tells the story of recruiting strippers to “distract” at draft night every year; his wife allows it—on the day their son is born—as long as he doesn’t drink ([79:44]).
  • Craig: “Email us if you think you have the coolest wife of all time. This is like a remarkable story.” ([82:19])
• Bizarre Anatomy Confessions:
  • Listener reveals he grew up with “two and a half testicles,” confirmed by both doctors and two porn stars on a podcast ([85:55])—to the hosts’ shock and amusement.
• End-of-Show Banter: Tidbits on bands named “Butthole Surfers,” Cinemax nostalgia, and more.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Bijan is clearly the best running back in the league.” — Craig ([05:38])
• “The Browns fans are dead inside. They had to be fourth [worst vibes].” — Heifetz ([40:35])
• “I think the Dolphins...are the closest to the breaking point.” — Heifetz ([32:47])
• “It is hard. Like, again, [the Niners] are 4–2...and yet...” — Heifetz ([52:20])
• “[On Eagles]...the lowest the vibes have been in like, four years.” — Craig ([57:57])
• “Just same old fucking Raiders this year. They’re a total mess.” — DK ([54:45])
• “If you reverse this trade...he still learned his lesson. He’s never gonna do it again.” — Craig ([75:15])
• “If you make a mistake and click T. Etienne (Carolina)...that’s on you.” — DK ([73:12])
• “My back really hurts.” (After wife gives birth) — Listener story ([76:26])
• “He has strippers work the draft so he can get...Jimmy Graham in the 12th round.” — Heifetz ([79:44])

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Overall Tone

The episode is a riot—full of sharp analysis, self-aware humor, and deeply weird/funny listener emails. The hosts balance nuanced fantasy and real football breakdowns with irreverence (“happiness is expectation minus reality”), inside jokes, and open speculation on player health in ways only a fantasy pod can get away with.

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:09] — Falcons-Bills Recap (Bijan/DVOA/London)
• [07:22] — Are the Falcons For Real or Are Bills Just Hurt?
• [11:13] — Full List of Bills Injuries
• [15:05] — Bears-Commanders, Caleb Williams’ Growth, DJ Moore Injury (Testicular Torsion Comedy Detour)
• [27:46] — Power Hour: Bad Vibes Teams Rankings Begin
• [37:12] — Dolphins Locker Room Implosion Discussion
• [41:21] — Tomlin Roasts Browns’ QB Trade
• [54:45] — Raiders: Same Old Problems, Carroll Sadness
• [67:39] — Fantasy Court: Dynasty Name Mix-Up
• [76:26] — Wildest Delivery Room Husbands (Emails)
• [79:44] — The Stripper Fantasy Draft Story
• [85:55] — Listener Email: Two-And-A-Half Testicles

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Endnotes

• Ads, promos, and outro are not included; timestamps denote core content only.
• The episode is an indispensable listen for anyone navigating shaky fantasy teams, craving group therapy for their suffering NFL squad, or just in need of a laugh about childbirth, fantasy mishaps, or anatomy oddities.

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For rankings, fantasy advice, and show updates:
Visit fantasyfootball.theringer.com or check out the next episode, where the crew records in-person from Los Angeles—smelling salts promised!

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

These poor teams, I feel bad for them and their fans.

[A]

We're gonna go through and we're gonna rank. We actually all submitted our rankings and we ranked the teams with the worst vibes and we're gonna just go through them one by one. Power our style. But first we have to we're gonna hit the Monday football games. There were two Monday football games. We didn't get to hit it on the episode that came out Monday night, Tuesday, Monday, overnight, whatever you want to call it. So there were two Monday football games. I want to start with Falcons, bills. Falcons won 2414 as you predicted. Well, I said the Falcons defense was just so hard to so insurmountable. I cited how they were number one in DVOA on defense. DK really pushed back saying how could the Falcons possibly be that good on defense? DK just was.

[C]

I do remember that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or dk, what do you have to say for yourself?

[A]

Yeah, dk what do you think?

[B]

Feel like people that didn't listen to the episode are going to think you guys are being serious. He poo pooed me very, very sternly when I suggested that the Falcons defense is good based on empirical data. He's like, no, I just watched them lose 30 to nothing to the Panthers. I think the biggest thing we learned from that game is the Panthers are maybe kind of good. I don't know. Cause the Falcons looked awesome in this game on both sides of the ball. They obviously jumped out to a big lead early on. That could have been even bigger lead. Craig, I wanted to get your take on this, actually, because that Drake London play was obviously pretty pivotal. I rewatched it this morning. He should have got in. I think he fucked it up.

[C]

Well, I mean, he was trying. What do you mean? He, he, he stepped out. Like, I think he blew.

[B]

I think he blew it. He had like, he should have scored there.

[A]

This is.

[C]

I, I don't, I don't think I.

[B]

Was upset when I rewatched it.

[C]

I thought it was cool. Like, their intention was clearly like, to try to get closer to a field goal. And then he broke free and was like, fuck it, I'm just going to go for it, which I really respect. And if you're in that situation and you're Drake London, like, you're going for it.

[B]

So. Yeah, I don't have any problem with him going for it. I just think the fact that he steps out, stepped out was like a huge blunder.

[C]

He should, he, he should have been talking about it. He was trying really hard.

[B]

No, no, I think he. I think he messed up.

[A]

That's my point. I. Yeah, this, this reminds me.

[B]

I think it was a huge error on baseball.

[C]

I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

The way DK is talking about this reminds me of like when I watched the Olympics and the gymnast like, like trip a little on the landing and they move. I'm like, oh, didn't stick it.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I can't believe you didn't do that.

[B]

I'm being a stickler, clearly, obviously. But like, Stern, he. If you watch, if you rewatch the play, I'm like, there's no way he didn't get it. I can't believe he didn't get in.

[C]

I thought he got.

[B]

Absolutely should have gotten in.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, so Drake London, in this game, Drake London had 10 catches, 158 yards in a touchdown, as Deacus said. Really failed not having two touchdowns.

[C]

Well, and he had nine for 147 at halftime.

[B]

I mean, he looked great in the second half.

[C]

Yes. This game.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The score suggests this game was closer than it is. I mean, there was a while there where it was ugly, where it was 2114 and they just kept punting to each other. But like you said, dk, they should have scored on that play or at the very least, gotten a field goal. There was another possession where they probably should have gotten a field goal. This game was more out of hand and more lopsided than the box score suggested. Like the Bills and Josh Allen couldn't do anything. The Falcons blitzed the shit out of the Bills, and it was.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[A]

And.

[C]

And then Atlanta's offense, I mean, move the ball at will like it was to pass it to the Italians. Offense of Bijan Robinson and Drake London over and over and over. And I just love the way Atlanta uses Bijan. It's awesome. It's like a true funnel offense. The pistol is super weird, but recently Jordan Rodriguez and Greg Rosenthal were talking about this on NFL Daily. But, like, they do that basically as a way to get Bijan more vision. They, like, treat him almost like a quarterback, where it's like shotgun for a running back.

[B]

He's, like, running downhill, right?

[C]

Like, he's running downhill and he can see the. And he. Bijan has a little bit of levy on bell to his game for how explosive he is. He's quite patient as well. And he kind of, like, skates back and forth. And so this Pistol kind of gives him more room for vision to kind of see where things are going and then. And make these incredible cuts. I mean, he's clearly the best running back in the league, and they're always getting him the ball in space. He's used as a receiver as well. I just think it's awesome how they use him.

[A]

Bijan's amazing. I mean, that clip went viral early this season of Saquon saying that. Saquon saying Bijan is easily the best guy in the league at making people miss. I think even Saquon is someone that guilty at times of probably bouncing stuff outside a lot. What I love about Bijan, he's always trying to get north, south. Like, Bijan is always in the coolest way possible getting up field. Sometimes cool players are kind of just bouncing it. Bijan mixes being really cool with always Gaining yardage, which I love, but the. So Bijan had 19 carries, 170 rushing yards. Touchdown. He also had six catches for 68 yards. So that rounds out to a neat 25 touches for 238 yards from scrimmage and a touchdown. Josh Kendall at the Athletic notes that that is one yard shy of the most in the NFL this season. You know, Bijan, I mean, who can really touch Rico Dowdle, the. You know, the real best running back in the NFC South. But Bijan leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage, even though the Falcons have only played five games. I. Yeah, I think he's probably the best skilled player in the NFL overall, too. I think you can say that. I know Pukas have a good season, but I mean, Puka just got hurt. Like, realistically, you're looking at it like Bijan Gibbs, whatever you want to call it. But I think Bijan did. Sometimes, fair or not, you do need a primetime game for everyone to actually agree on something.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

For sure. And I mean, this. This was that primetime game where I think everyone now could agree that, like, it will probably be going forward. Just the mainstream opinion, what Craig said, that Bijan is just firmly the best running back in the league.

[C]

Dk.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Better win for the Falcons or worse loss for the Bills.

[B]

I think better win for the Falcons because their defense showed up, obviously put Heifetz in his place, which was the most important thing.

[A]

Well, really, it was you because you're the one who doubted them, so.

[C]

Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Go back and listen to that Fandel ad. It was DK giving that bet so passionately.

[A]

Forgot I was in an ad. You're right.

[B]

Also, I think this was big. It was big for Penx. He looked pretty good out there in terms of decisiveness, like finding his receivers, getting rid of the ball quickly. Yeah. And obviously I'm. I'm kind of joking about London. He looked great, too. But, you know, they have just such an exciting team with Bijan, London, Penx, and then that defense which blitzes the crap. I think I saw they blitzed on all but one third down, and they were just, like, harassing Josh Allen on every play. So it was very cool to see.

[A]

I also want to shout out to Jeff Ulbrich, the defensive coordinator for the Falcons, who frankly is probably mostly famous because he's the one whose son Frank called Shitter Sanders and drafted Jeff. Yeah, but Jeff Ulbrich is kind of of that. That defensive tree that developed under Shanahan. But he, you know, he came from he was with the Niners and Robert Sala for a long time. And then when Robert Sala was the jets head coach, Ulbrich was there. Well, he's in Atlanta 2020. And then he worked for Robert Sal with the jets, and then now he's the coordinator for the Falcons. And honestly, the last four years, I don't know if anyone's really been better at stopping Josh than Jeff Ulbrich. It's, you know, he's not perfect. I think he's three and four versus Josh the last like four seasons. But over, I mean, Josh Allen's like 30 games above.500 over everybody else. You know what I mean? So basically batting 50, 50 against Josh. Josh's EPA per play against Jeff Ulbrich between the jets and Falcons. Now the last like six, seven games is a quarter of what it is versus all these other teams. So I think the coordination of Atlanta is good. But also they have talent. Even the defensive, ironically, the defensive ends that they drafted this year aren't even necessarily the reason they're getting this pass rush, but it's unquestionably the best pass rush the Falcons have had. And I mean a long time, almost 15 years. But I just. On that note, also, Josh Kendall at the Athletic noted Falcons have held their first five opponents under 300 yards for the first time since 1998. So it really is the best Falcons defense we've seen in a long time. But the.

[B]

Oh, now you're in on the defense.

[A]

I said weeks ago, I've said for years that the Atlanta Falconing and the reason they blow these leads is they don't have a pass rush. And I acknowledge that they had a pass rush. Mike, My quibble was the number one in dvoa, which they still are, by the way. Well, now, now, now it makes sense. I, I thought, I thought they looked more like a top, you know, two.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You know, three. That one, you know. No, I was wrong.

[B]

I was. One other thing I wanted to throw out here. I, I Bichon is averaging 164 scrimmage yards a game, which is 30 more. 35 more almost than the next closest guy, which is Christian McAffrey. He's on pace for. Hold on, I pull it up here. Almost 2,800 scrimmage yards this year. So he's absolutely going off.

[A]

Bijan is unbelievable. And so the only, only hiccup for Atlanta in this. I agree, though, to Craig's point, better win for Atlanta than lost to the Bills. We'll get to the Bills in a second the only hiccup for Atlanta, Jake Matthews, the left tackle who's been there forever, has injured his ankle. We'll see what the deal is, but he doesn't miss time. Caleb McGarry, the right tackle got hurt before the season, kind of got buried because Rashawn Slater also got hurt. But so Atlanta already had and sorry, their swing tackle, Storm Norton has also been out this year. So the Atlanta kind of had their storm. They're I know Storm Norton, he sounds like a Viking God. But the fourth string tackle was playing at right tackle. So now when the left tackle got hurt, it's like the fourth string guy is at right and now the fifth string guy's at left, which is worth monitoring. But again, Bijan, they're using him so much as a receiver. I'm not worried about Bijan for fan it's like at the end of the day, like there's Pedex like Baker just ripping passes. So Atlanta looks different. Cool uniforms. Cool I I It's good.

[C]

Fantastic uniforms.

[A]

Throwbacks. Some of the throwbacks suck, but the Atlanta and then after the Buck Seahawks game a couple weeks ago, the right jerseys are coming back. I will say about the Bills, they look terrible. Josh looked uncomfortable, but I don't know how to where to start with Buffalo other than this. I'm going to just read their injuries because I think you have to read the whole list. It's shocking. The center, Connor McGovern left mid game and then Josh Allen immediately got sacked and hurt his left hand and then tried to hide it, which I thought summarized everything. Dalton Concade was inactive with an oblique injury. Curtis Samuel has a neck and a rib injury. At receiver, Josh Palmer injured his knee. Looked like during the game it was kind of bad. Defensive tackle Daquan Jones hurt his calf and pregame warmups. TJ Sanders, the other defensive tackle, is already on ir. So is Dwayne Carter. The other defensive tackle, Matt Milano is a Peck injury. Terrell Bernard, the linebacker, hurt his ankle in this game. Demar Hamlin, the safety, also a Peck injury. Cole Bishop was cramping during this game at safety. Maxwell Han and Dorian Strong, two rookie cornerbacks basically have barely played combined. Christian Benford, the their their best cornerback in this game is banged up. In a nutshell, the healthiest Bills defenders on the team are basically T.R. davious White and Joey Bosa, who have been two of the most injured players in the entire league the last five years. Those are their healthiest players. So I guess my question is DK does this mean anything to you? About Buffalo as a team or are they just hurt?

[B]

No, I think it's more the latter. You know what the real thing that comes to my mind is when you talk about all this is like, holy crap, how did the Lions. How were the Lions so good last year, all year, despite losing all their guys? Because pretty much every other team you see, if they're this injured, this many guys either banged up or on the IR or whatever, like most of the time, almost all the time you see teams completely crater. You know what I mean?

[C]

It's. Yeah, it's the story of every season. It's like usually the healthiest teams go far. Even in fantasy football. It's like if all the guys you drafted never got hurt and never missed a game, you're probably making the playoffs in your fantasy.

[A]

Yeah, it's just how it goes, 100%. It's honestly, fantasy is also kind of like that. What we say about the NFL. In the NFL, we always say there's like eight teams truly trying to make it. And generally that the teams that went, the teams that make it are like the two of the healthiest eight. And fantasy's kind of like that too where there's probably four teams that really probably maybe drafted quote unquote, right. And then the healthiest one might win. But also obviously there's a fuck ton of luck in fantasy. But the. Yeah, overall I thought I was really impressed with Atlanta. I will totally. I'll eat crop. I know there are a lot of Falcons fans listening to the show because I know because they emailed a lot of thoughts when I was talking about where the Falcons ranked between them and Georgia, they didn't even necessarily disagree. But the Falcons look good and Penix is fun and overall they look like a team that has invest. And I will say this again, the Falcons have invested more in their offense than any team in the NFL. It's not close because they have eight homegrown first round picks, $40 million backup quarterback we don't talk about. Even with Kirk Cousins, I forgot about him. And they have four top 10 picks on the offense that they have three first round picks in the offensive line. Like they should be great. And they finally look like a team that has invested the most of any team in the offense. And it looks.

[C]

I'm happy for them, I'm happy for Atlanta, I root for them. I don't know why I think this team, I don't know if it's the Coll laps in the super bowl or what, but I like Raheem Morris I like the players on Atlanta. I, I just like want them to be successful.

[A]

They're all individually other than Kyle Pitts cool stories.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

You see Kyle Pitts last night blocking his ass off.

[A]

I, I actually, yes, actually. I, I, there were a lot of actually sneaky good blocking. A lot of I blocking. That caught my eye this week on players downfield guys that I thought. But yeah, so the, the Bills, I, I mean we talk to the Bills all the time. I think the Falcons get their due credit. The other game I want to hit here. Bears commanders, obviously this was, you know, one of those games guys pretend doesn't mean anything, but obviously means a ton because the Bears Hail Mary last year that they gave up to Washington. Tyree Stevenson was taught talking shit, gave up the Hail mary. They lost 10 straight games. Everything blew up. So the Bears come back. Caleb Williams from Washington thought he'd go to Washington. Is a whole, there's a lot of emotions.

[B]

This is like Caleb versus Jaden too. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's number one pick versus number two. So the Bears go up 13 points. Raining ugly game. Washington comes back, takes a one point lead. You're like, pucker factor. Fourth quarter was pretty crazy. Washington blocks a Chicago field goal. So Bears are still down one and then Jaden leads a touchdown drive. So Washington's up 8 and then bad vibes. Okay, so then Caleb gets a touchdown but then misses the two point. So the Bears are still down two and Bears get the ball back, but they go three and out. Looks like Washington can I the game. And then Jaden Daniels fumbles the handoff and the ball's wet and everything. It's raining. But Jaden fumbles the handoff to Bill Merritt here. And then Jake Moody of all people. Jake Moody who Kyle Shannon just caught, I think after week one for the Niners and hits a walk off 38 yarder as time expires. DK, what did you make of Bears? Washington? What was your take? I'll steal Craig's question. Better win for the Bears or worse for Washington. Actually, I hate that. It's obviously the Bears.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say I think it's a, it's a better win for the Bears. Obviously. This gives them confidence. It gets them, you know, whatever off of the, whatever that bad juju was from the last year's game where they lost on that Hail Mary. I thought, it's not like I thought, you know, Caleb Williams played exceptionally well in this game. He definitely made some nice throws. He made some off throws. The Guy who, like, impressed me the most in this game, which I was kind of surprised, was DeAndre Swift. He was, like, running like a madman. There's. There's always, like, a game here and there for where I'm like, DeAndre Swift, he's good. Like, you remember that he was a high second rounder. And then most of the rest of the time it's not. Not kind of quite that impressive. But, you know, I thought he looked really good. I thought they got him in the right position. He was like outside runs, where he had a little space slasher type running back. They utilized him in the passing game. So I would say DeAndre Swift was, like, the guy that impressed me. And then also they used Luther Burden a little bit more in this game, which was exciting. We saw a little bit more of Colston Loveland in this game. So I think all in all, to me, this was just a game that, again, was, you know, one foot in front of the other in terms of the Bears starting to turn into a real team. Because last year, obviously, they were a complete implosion, disaster in every way. And this year, they look just more in sync. The offense makes sense. I feel like Caleb knows where he's going with the ball a lot more often and a lot more consistently. He's getting rid of the ball quicker. Overall, it just looks like a more professional operation, and so that's, like, really positive. Again, I didn't think, like, Caleb didn't play, like, amazing, but got the job done. They got the W, and I think overall they just look better.

[C]

My takeaway was that I didn't have a lot of takeaways.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, my takeaway was like, this is a messy game.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think both these teams are kind of like, closer to league average. Yeah. Caleb had some good moments, some not great moments. Troy Aikman not. Does not seem to be the biggest fan of Caleb Williams.

[A]

Aik. No, no.

[B]

Because he's like. I was flipping back and forth the audio. Like, was he complaining about, like, just getting the ball out on time and things like that or everything?

[C]

His accuracy, like, just there was a lot.

[A]

I mean, it goes back even the first week one. You could tell Troy that Bears Vikings game, It was Caleb McCarthy. The Bears lost Troy. Troy doesn't like Caleb. You can tell. I don't think he likes the play style. I don't think he. Like, there was this one where he took a shot down to Roma Dunesley. I forget when this was in the game, but honestly, if anything, I actually, I. I thought the first Half.

[C]

He overthrew him.

[A]

Yeah. Well yeah, it was kind of like under threw him and Troy was talking.

[C]

About oh no, he underthrow him. You're right.

[A]

Yeah. And it was like double coverage and Troy's like you should take it was like second and four, second and two and he's like you could have took the first down and if anything I would kind of watch the the zoom out. And it was like I actually think he underthroem and should have had a Roman dudes a touchdown for sure. But I you know, I, it's look, it's, there's a reason we look at last year just to pull an example with the Chiefs where they go like 12 and oh in one score games and you're like what if you just flip every one score game or a game I like to play flip every kick at the end of the game because the players it's like pencils down and it's kind of like whether the kicker makes it or not shouldn't determine what how we make sense of the previous 59 minutes and 58 seconds. And I do think if Jake Moody just kind of misses the kick we're like same old Bears demons, blah blah blah takeaways. To me that I do think going forward, I do think emotionally it does matter that the Bears won the game for themselves. I actually do think there was something they had to get over with this. Like, like I, I do think that matters. But to D to your point dk the running game matters like a lot for the Bears. We'll see if they can make it happen against better defenses than Washington. But it's a cliche for a reason. Like an efficient running game is essential for a young quarterback to grow and it's really important. And I, I, I especially with with the way Ben Johnson calls plays and Swift I, we always talk about connections through quarterbacks and receivers. I don't know what forever reason. I think Caleb's had a really good sense of how to get Swift DeAndre Swift the ball. Even when things weren't going well for Chicago at times last year. I don't know. Even in the preseason I feel like Caleb has just had a weird sense of getting Swift the ball in a way that I never, I feel like I never make that connection to running backs with a quarterback. But I, I, I like I think Swift looks awesome and I don't want to to your point. It's raining the the commanders through pick. Fumble. Fumble. Missed a kick. There was a kick blocked. It's like I don't want to do too many takeaways, but I do think Caleb clearly has. More and more often, you're seeing that there are more things where Caleb's getting the ball out on time and on schedule and also just looks like a number one pick with the physical talent, even if it's not all the time.

[C]

Yeah. Every once in a while, he does something that, like, three NFL quarterbacks can do.

[B]

I will say Luther Burton downfield was pretty impressive. He was, like, looking left, and Burden was going to the right across the field, and Caleb kind of just, like, stepped up to avoid pressure, and then with his feet facing left, he threw the ball on a line like, 30, 40 yards downfield and right to Burden. So that was pretty impressive.

[C]

Speaking of Burden, I know that's Wednesday, and waivers have already cleared for those listening, but I do want to say that if.

[A]

If.

[C]

If nobody added Luther Burden, there was a lot of other receivers that you could have added this week. So there's a chance that he's still on the waiver wire. I would maybe think about grabbing him if you have the space. DJ Moore was really hurt the whole game was super tough. Managed to play the entire game, was out there till the very end, but was going in and out. Looked like he was in a lot of pain. And then he went to the hospital, spent the night in the hospital. And then the Bears reported that it was a groin injury, which is weird to spend the night in the hospital for a groin injury. People were speculating that he, like, had a lesion in his ball sack or, like, that's, like, the only way that you could have had. You could stay in the hospital for a groin injury.

[A]

Are you reporting that? You want to report that here on the show?

[C]

I'm saying. I'm saying people were speculating on Twitter that he tore his nutsack. Well, I saw Craig.

[B]

Not. Not to, like, quibble or whatever, I saw people referencing testicular torsion.

[C]

Testicular torsion, which is where the.

[B]

Which is where the. The cord twists up in the sack. Yeah, that's the blood float.

[A]

Didn't that happen in Mariners third baseman? Oh, I. This is one of those things. It's like you can't even sit still.

[C]

So perhaps he was.

[B]

That's why he had to go to the hospital. Like, have the chance of losing.

[A]

You could die. I actually. Oh, I'm gonna shout out my friend die from that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna tell a story. I'm not gonna name this guy, but he won't care.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

He's Also in the military, so there's, like, no chance he's gonna be able to hear the show. But I had a friend who will not be named that basically woke up one morning, and I. I forget what activity he was doing, but he's like. You know, he's in the Marines, so it's. There's a lot of physical activity going on. And he wakes up one morning in his. You know, his scrotum is massive. It's like a grapefruit. And he's like, oh, he's going to a wedding or something. And he's like, I need to go to the er. And he sits there and he's trying to explain to them that this is a problem. And they're like, yeah. And I forget the exact. But he's there for, like, hours. And they're basically like, yeah.

[C]

If you.

[A]

Don'T get emergency surgery, you can just kind of. You might just lose it. You might just. You might just have to cut it off so you don't die. And he. And he was like, are you serious? And, like, yeah, if it doesn't fix itself in, like, two or three hours, we might have to have a conversation about, you know, like, cutting him off. Yes. And then it did, at the 11th hour, just come undone. It just. Remember, it's just sunrise sprung.

[C]

It's like how they. It's like how they neutered cows. Remember I told you these.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Rubber band situation. I actually had, like. I had a small version of this as a kid. What. What is. What happened? Testicular torsion. This happened to me.

[B]

Probably didn't feel great.

[C]

It was, like, pretty mellow, but, yeah, it was just, like, painful, and then it kind of just went away. But it was a very mild version. Like, there was no. You couldn't tell physically, but I. I could just. It was in. I was in pain as a kid, like riding a bike. I remember it, like, really hurt the doctor.

[A]

We have to move on.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I'm, like, gonna.

[C]

So anyway, luther Burton. Because D.J. moore's nuts hurt.

[A]

We should put it in parentheses. D.J. moore, parentheses balls. Oh, yeah. Allegedly. For the per. You know, but, dude, if he.

[C]

If he played an NFL game with testicular torsion stuff, I'm back in on multipliers.

[A]

You should get a multiplying effect. Every. Every catch is worth five if you have torsion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so. Wow, I missed that one. I knew he was hurt, honestly. I actually think guys get hit in the balls and leave way more. And, like, way more injuries are actually just getting. After going to the hurling match and see how many guys were keeling over just because they got hit in the balls. I think way more injuries are just getting hit.

[C]

I mean, and those poor guys. No padding.

[A]

No. That was tough. Okay, Anything else from Monday Night Football before we move on here?

[C]

No. Tough, tough. Look for Ringer 107 for us. We took that Bill's L. Yeah.

[A]

DK.

[C]

What.

[A]

What was with pushing the bills?

[C]

You know, we would have been tied for first place.

[B]

Change history. It was high. Fitz Heifetz felt it was very strongly.

[A]

I think when I take.

[C]

I can't remember, I feel like it was DK first.

[A]

And then I'm taking advantage of the fact that even the people who listen to the show a love this show. I feel like half the time no one knows whose voice is on a podcast is who.

[B]

You know, he was me way overconfident, which probably should have made us bet the opposite direction.

[C]

It was a consistent set it. And H is the guy that lives in Bellingham with a kid.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Exactly. That's okay.

[B]

I don't like this. I don't like it at all.

[A]

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[B]

That's all I got.

[A]

Yeah, No, I. You. I would also take the Steelers.

[C]

The spread is five and a half, which is the same spread that they just had against the Browns. This game's in Cincinnati, Flaco. I mean, yeah, look, the Steelers are playing really well. It's probably hard to bet against them right now. They look good.

[A]

It's funny how the argument against the Steelers is. I mean, literally against the Bengals team that can't really move the ball. Joe flacco's been there 10 days. The argument is, well, the Steelers play down to their opponents.

[C]

They do.

[A]

And that's all we have to say.

[C]

But, yeah, Steelers also usually get torched by number one wide receivers. But it's different. They've Jalen Ramsey this year. I would say. Yeah, you'd feel dumber, probably. If you bet the Bengals and the Steelers kill them.

[A]

The Steelers just cover. Yeah, that's the thing. If you bet the Steelers and they lose. You're mad at the Steelers if you bet the Bengals and the Bengals don't cover, you're mad at yourself.

[C]

Right?

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Some bad vibes out there.

[B]

It's actually kind of hard to rank.

[C]

Also, there are some teams on this list who have a winning record and made the top 10 worst vibes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think we're right. So you guys sent me your bad vibes, ranked the top 10 or bottom 10 vibes, I guess. And then it just kind of averaged them. So this is the average of our rankings. If you don't like the order, then you can blame all of us equally. And also we're gonna do this Power Hour style. So every two minutes you're gonna hear this sound.

[C]

They gonna let us use that on Netflix. We'll see.

[A]

I. I was gonna ask you. I was gonna ask you. I don't know.

[C]

We'll see.

[A]

I don't know. All right, so without further ado, Power ranking the worst vibes in all the national football League this season.

[C]

After six weeks, the National Football League.

[A]

I know I dropped that.

[C]

I love that. Sometimes it hits so hard. I love it.

[A]

When's the National Football League?

[C]

The Cincinnati Bengals are the worst team in the National Football League.

[A]

It's like when Craig said. Craig called DK Daniel the other day and I was like, whoa.

[C]

Sometimes you have to start a serious note.

[A]

Yeah, that'll. That'll also be a Netflix thing. We'll have to start saying National Football League, you know, so it makes sound like we know what we're talking about. Okay, number one, worst vibes the entire NFL.

[B]

This may come as no surprise to you all.

[C]

We all put this as number one.

[A]

I think I had him second. You guys had this team.

[B]

Not unanimous. Okay. Well, I feel pretty strongly. The New York jets have the most horrific vibes in all of the land. The only winless team. For starters, they're coming off a game where they had negative 10 yards passing, which is something you almost never hear about. They lost to a guy who had 60 yards passing. They have a. The NFL worst negative 7 turnover margin. Their 30th in offensive DVOA, which probably shouldn't be a surprise, but they're also 25th in defensive DVOA. So they're bad on defense, which is supposed to be sort of like their foundation. The reason that they can kind the thing that will prop them up and they can figure things out on offense. They're bad everywhere. In addition to that, I had a question more for you guys. Like, do you. Who's the leader of this team?

[A]

Like as a player or coach?

[B]

I mean, I guess obviously Aaron Glenn is the leader of the team, but outside of him, I don't. I can't figure out who is. People are supposed to look to for inspiration and getting out of this. I. I slump that they're in. Like. Like Justin Fields is not that guy. Probably not that guy.

[C]

Probably Alan Lazard.

[A]

I. I actually think Garrett Wilson is in a way the receiver in the whole league whose most angry aligns with whether the team is winning or losing. Not necessarily when he gets the ball, but whether he doesn't get the ball because something stupid they did. It's always G. Wilson cares about winning and I mean the coaching. My only reason I didn't put them first is I was like. I guess because Aaron Glenn's the first year at coach, he's not getting fired.

[C]

I get that.

[A]

And. And so I'm like, oh.

[B]

But also they're used to it.

[A]

Yeah. And they're used to it. I that too. But no, I, Look, I'm not going to argue the point. I, it is. I, Aaron, Glenn's a great guy and everyone likes him. The coaching decisions have been borderline, like, not unforgivable, but they've been crazy bad. And just the plan that seemed like a bad plan has been a horrible plan. Justin Fields as the only star to the competition has been horrible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I could go on and on, but, yeah.

[C]

The only reason why you could argue they're not number one is because this is so new and you could perhaps convince yourself to give Garrett and Glenn a little bit of time.

[A]

The problem is there's no hope because I, I, I, well, not no hope, but the, the rushing I did. I think what they were hoping to establish was a physical running game identity with the offensive line. And I, I don't, I don't see that.

[C]

It's so crazy how they should have probably beaten the Steelers in Week one. They look so good.

[A]

They looked incredible again since that game. Since that game.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Some of those stats on Friday since, Since that week one game. If you just lop that off. Because Week one shit happens all the time. Since Week one, the jets are last in every offensive category. I'm talking below the Titans. But no, the team I put number one, you guys, I think both had them two or third, I think, but they've netted out to number two. Worst vibes. I have the worst vibes of the Miami Dolphins. Yeah, I haven't one in five. Third place in the AFC east, which is so funny because the jets are actually in last. But to me, it's really simple. The vibes. Aaron Glenn just got hired. Mike McDaniel is on his last legs, and the quarterback is calling out players in public or him. Like, everyone's mad. People are mad at the starting quarterback. People are mad at the coach. The Dolphins are a better team. They're closer to winning. They beat the jets, which doesn't say anything. But the vibes, I do think are worse because the expectations for the Dolphins were just better and it's been horrific. And I think Tua's comments just completely split the locker room. And they are the team. They're. They're, to me, the closest to the breaking point of something's going to have to change.

[C]

There has been no more bad press around the league than with the Dolphins since the off season. Like, it's been. I mean, since Tyreek said he didn't want to be here anymore at the end of last season, it's been just Kind of consistently horrible vibes all the way through the season.

[B]

The. The fact that Tyreek was like cheering and fist bumping and, and everything when he got hurt makes a little bit more sense. He's just like, thank you think he was happy.

[A]

He's thrilled.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't have to be on this team anymore. It's finally over.

[A]

I. I understand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Carlos, who produces the show, is probably mad because he would probably be like, well, they only lost by two to the Chargers and they should have won. And they only lost by three to the Panthers.

[C]

Like, they're mad.

[B]

We didn't 100%.

[A]

The thing.

[B]

We're letting them off too easy.

[A]

There's a lot of scheme stuff we could go into. Obviously, people don't need us to tell that Mike McDaniel's offense has been stale for three years. They don't need us to tell them that Dolphin's probably the worst defense of the NFL and the worst. The, the coverage is horrible, the run defense is horrific. But there's also just a leadership problem. And in a nutshell, oh yeah, they lost this offseason and we talked about this a little, but I think the most underrated thing in football is captains. Like, it's. That's a stat. People vote on it. The ca. The Dolphins lost the season off season. Jalen Ramsey, cornerback. Javon Holland at safety, Calais Campbell at D line. Christian Wilkinson, defensive tackle. Those. All those guys are captains. And I'm going to. I'm going to disrespect TomTom. They lost four captains and so you know who the only captain left was? Tua. And so Tua's out here talking about leadership, whether he's trying to throw himself under the bus or whether he was trying to point out people by being late. Mike McDaniel had to come out today or yesterday and admonish Tua for what he said at the podium. Like, Mike McDaniel is like, you're like the leadership burden fell on Tua and two has failed. And I know I'm kind of ranting here, but I want to point out Mike McDaniel said I think regardless of intent and what was onto his mind after a loss as the franchise quarterback, that's not the forum to displace that. I think Tua knows that now. I honestly believe there was no ill intention, but you're talking about a misguided representation of player orchestrated film sessions. Heavy is the crown. This is still Mike McDaniel. Heavy is the crown of being a franchise quarterback. What I do know is that Two is directly communicated with a lot of guys, starting with last night. That's what teammates do. You live and you learn. You live and learn. End quote. It's two is six season in the NFL.

[C]

He's also not good.

[B]

That's Craig. That's the problem. This is the big problem. It's hard to be a leader when you're not very good.

[C]

It's hard to call people out when you're playing like, shit.

[A]

Yeah, you can't.

[B]

Like, actually, I think two is a little bit oblivious. That's the problem.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, he should, he should be aware that this is not going to look good.

[C]

It's just all bad mix. Also, Mike McDaniel's not the best style of coach.

[B]

Not.

[C]

He's not the best personality for a team that's losing it. Just like, it doesn't translate well. His press conference style when they're getting destroyed, it just rubs people the wrong way.

[A]

The big picture argument for being a disciplinarian based coach is that if you start with a tight leash, it's much easier to let it go than to start with Mike McDaniel vibes, you know, like the vibe of the guy whose dad's on the company and the dad's on vacation. Like, once you're there, you can't actually reign people in. That's actually pretty difficult, you know.

[B]

You know the line in Top Gun, which I've never heard anyone actually say this in real life, only referencing Top Gun, but to his mouth is right in checks his body can't cash. It's. He just needs to stop saying stuff. I. I was like, even in the off season when he was talking about. Remember how he was like, tyreek, he's got to come back and, you know, apologize. What was exactly?

[C]

He said he's like, prove himself to us, right?

[B]

Like recommend himself to his teammates and stuff. I'm just like, dude, just say that to him. You don't have to tell him. Yeah, like, have some like, awareness.

[A]

Well, you know what's funny too, And I was thinking about this because Tua was saying he before this game too. He said, I'm not on social media. I don't worry about that stuff. And I'm like, you know what?

[B]

Maybe you should get on social media.

[A]

Maybe you need to be clearly the quarterback too.

[B]

Offline, who's on social media like a homeschooled kid.

[A]

It is on social media.

[C]

All your teammates, all your teammates are.

[A]

Seeing social media constantly.

[C]

Yeah, he's like a homeschool old kid.

[B]

You need to learn like social shoes.

[C]

Stop touching grass. Touch a screen.

[A]

Oh my God. Get online a little bit here. Yeah, it's probably doctor's orders, unfortunately, to not look at the screens, but unfortunately that's probably a low blow. That's probably true though. Well, yeah, I just, we could move on. But I, I think they're the worst vibes in part because.

[C]

Terrible vibes.

[A]

Yeah, it's. People hate the quarterback and the coach is getting fired. All right, number three for bad vibes here. This is no shock, but we have dk. I think you had them highest, but I think we all kind of thought they were third. But the Tennessee Titans, our expectations were.

[B]

Low, but holy fuck, yeah, the Titans. That's the story of the Titan season. Coming off of a three win season, the first overall pick, they are somehow even worse this year than they were last year. They had, they took a quarterback with a top pick of the draft. They like revamped their offensive line. They have one of the best, they hired a good offensive line coach. They are dead last.

[A]

Well, it's his father, but yeah, his.

[B]

Well they, they, they brought his dad in. I think it's interesting because, you know, obviously Bill or Bill Callahan left because his son Brian Callahan was fired. So now they're out to their coaches. And I would say generally tape analysts are having some positive thoughts on what Cam Ward has done. But if you look at what Cam Ward's numbers are, it's very concerning what he's doing right now. He has three touchdown passes on the year, tied for dead last with Russell Wilson and Dylan Gabriel. His completion rate's dead last. He has a 67 pass rating which is almost dead last. Only Joe Flacco is worse. And Joe Flacco, well, you know, he's like 40 EPA for drop back. Only Flaco and Browning are worse. 36% success rate. Only Flacco and Gil Dylan Gabriel are worse. He has one of the highest off target rates. He has one of the lowest explosive pass rates. I mean, there's not a lot to be excited about, I guess. Obviously there's, there's moments on tape where he looks good, but I think it's because he's in Tennessee with just flying under the radar. But he's been horrific as the first overall pick.

[A]

He slid under the radar when he was the number one pick and he's not doing well. But overall, I, I, I, I still think it can't be said enough. The Titans fired Ryan Callahan because they were afraid of their former coach Mike Vramill beating the piss out of Brian Callahan and the Titans. They were literally so afraid of having to fire him after the game that they preemptively fired him because they're afraid of Mike Vaughel beating him.

[C]

The only reason why this, the Titans aren't first on this list is because there is still a glimmer of hope that, that four years from now Cam Ward is a good, productive quarterback in the NFL like that. That there's still, that's still possible. And there are moments that you get excited about, unlike Miami. It's kind of thing. I think people know what the TUA is and the jets and Justin Fields, like, you know, obviously such a stopgap. So that's the only reason why I think they, they don't deserve to be number one is because maybe Ken Ward will work out.

[A]

Totally agree. Number four here on the list of teams with the absolute worst vibes this season, we have the Cleveland Browns.

[C]

Just kind of a formality. Feel like just kind of always throw.

[A]

Them in, just, you know, always top five. If anything, you could argue it's kind of, we probably should just give them out of respect. They're the number one spots. Like Mahomes and the Chiefs. It's like they've accomplished so much that putting the belt.

[C]

Yeah, take the belt.

[A]

It's like, did anyone really come and take the belt from the Browns? You know, it's, yeah. The Browns are 1 and 5. They're tied for last place. I mean, Dylan Gabriel's out here looking fine because he doesn't, he isn't actively embarrassing the Browns on like every play. And that's like the bar, basically, and what it's been. But I, I decided the Browns couldn't be. They had to be fourth. And maybe they should be higher. But I kind of just think their fans are dead inside. And, and, and I, I, I, I, I, I feel like high almost is insulting in that it implies they had expectations, which is not fair.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, they, they just traded it at quarterback to a division rival.

[A]

So. I have to read what Mike Tomlin said this week. Mike Tomlin, you, It's funny hearing him talk about it. You watch the video and you realize how freak. Infrequently you hear coaches talk about other teams trades.

[C]

I know, I know.

[A]

Like, only when I saw Tomlin saying this, I'm like, you never see this. And Tomlin was asked about the Joe Flacco trade, and he actually talked about it. And Tomlin gave, He said, to be honest, it was shocking to me. The Browns general manager, Andrew Barry must Be a lot smarter than me or us. Because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter, trade him to a division opponent that's hurting in that quarterback area. But that's just my personal feelings.

[B]

And when I calling someone, calling, saying, someone must be a lot smarter than me.

[C]

Such a great dig.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

It's like so good.

[B]

Tom a lot smarter than me. Because this doesn't make any fucking sense to me at all.

[C]

He's the. Tom is the best.

[A]

He's going to do that next time. I'm like, take the bills minus four and a half. DK's, like, life is. Must be a lot smarter than me. So my thing, though, with this is.

[C]

With all due respect.

[A]

With all due respect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think again, Tomlin, Patrick Claybon and NFL pointed out Tomlin's radical opinion was teams should try to win their division, not help other teams win their division.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I was thinking about that, and with Tomlin's words, I was like, can you imagine how players on the Browns feel? And I actually don't think I put enough thought into that. When the trade went down, can you imagine being Miles Garrett?

[B]

Do you remember when Miles Garrett was asking for a trade and then was like. We went and talked to the front office, the leadership of the team, and they convinced us in the plan that we had at quarterback, and the plan was Joe Flacco for a few games, and then we're trading him to our division opponent.

[A]

Like, he was just blinded by the 40 million a year. He didn't even listen.

[B]

And then that division opponent immediately had, like a way better game.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I actually don't think I had thought what it did to the vibes of the reason I put them. Maybe higher. They should be higher. Is imagine being on the Browns and trying to play through an injury or something and trying to be like, hey, like, we can get back in this. And they fucking gave the Bengals Joe Flacco.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For not that much. What was like a fifth rounder, 40 spots they swapped.

[A]

It's going to be like the 220th pick for the 190th pick.

[C]

I mean, like, also worth it. No, no.

[A]

I think part of it. Because the Browns, the people do that. Andrew Berry and especially the Moneyball guy, Jonah Hill, and Moneyball works for the Browns, like, they're. They're literally the Moneyball people.

[B]

Make him do the meme. Do they make him do the meme every day?

[A]

Like, yeah.

[B]

The only Problem is he can't do Sean Watson.

[A]

Yeah, look, he's on all these stats. He's like, there's one problem, Jimmy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The. I really do think the Browns, if you. You could maybe they are really excited about this pick swap. I think the Browns were. What they were thinking in the front office was we're not going to get a very good draft pick this year and it's better for us that the Bengals get a bad one. And I do think that was the logic in Cleveland. And they just don't care about interdivisional trades.

[B]

They think it Trojan horse. Yeah.

[A]

And I think that logic, while you could argue for it, could not square less with how players feel on old school people like Tomlin or, you know, the oldest school. The oldest two school teams in the league are the Steelers and the Bengals, who are like, we'll never give up on anything. We'd rather die than. Than. Than like, think about stuff like that. But yeah, I think the Browns vibes are pretty bad.

[C]

You know, it's low when it's like, let's give the. Our division rival a quarterback so that maybe they have the ninth pick in the first round instead of the fourth.

[A]

I. I actually think that's what they were actually thinking. It's. It is. Anyway, number five bad vibes. This was the first true controversial one. Craig, you were the highest on this team. So number five bad vibes for the.

[C]

Season, the Arizona Cardinals. I think the worst place to be is when you give a quarterback a big contract and you know you can't win the super bowl with them. And I think the Dolphins, the Cardinals, for a while, I think the Jags were flirting with that. Maybe that's changed this year, but I think that's the worst place. I think in terms of expectation versus reality, the Cardinals have been one of the most disappointing teams in the NFL since they drafted Kyler Murray. They have zero playoff wins with Kyler Murray. They've only played in one.

[B]

Just second half collapses.

[C]

The Marvin Harrison Jr thing has not lived up to expectations. The Cardinals have the 27th most wins since Kyler was drafted. And I just think you're just stuck in the middle. I think it's just complete no man's land. And you're in a division with Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDonald. And I just think I don't know where you go.

[B]

This is very. I like this. This is a very convincing argument. Also to add to that, Jacoby preset came in and played pretty well.

[A]

Which.

[B]

Is just like all the. It's like almost like the coaches in jail are probably like, fuck.

[C]

It's just like how many. How many offseasons do. Do Cardinals fans need to get excited before getting bludgeoned to death every season and completely disappointed before they have to start up again and convince themselves that this is the Kyler Murray year? It never happened.

[A]

It's a tough combination of what you're saying of the very in the moment thing of the Titans loss and how bad it was with the demarc. Like how basically the probably the most unlikely loss we've ever seen. Like in just the actual literal plays that happen with DeMarcado play and all that and that very specific random thing that you can kind of get over. But what you're pointing to mixed with this like larger thing of holy shit, is our offense better with Jacoby and like the play. Like the players know that Kyler can't always play on time. And like Kyler, in a way it is like Russell. I mean, it's not crazy to compare him to Russell Wilson. Kyler will. Kyler Murray also could have played baseball and is a shorter quarterback. And as Kyler gets older with the. The less the mobility is the suddenly the not being able to play on time and in rhythm because his shorter quarterback is worse.

[B]

By the way, Kyler. Kyler was the ninth overall pick in the draft. Like, Russell Wilson was like a make a wish kid who got to go to like Yankees training camp and look like pal around with people. Like, Kyler was a legit prospect.

[A]

Tyler was actually going to be the center fielder for the Athletics.

[C]

Like literally seventh season in the NFL. Seventh.

[A]

He's. He's.

[C]

You know what?

[A]

I. I know I've edited this three weeks in a row. Maybe I'll go with this. Kyler is going to be the most talented player I've ever seen. That will make almost no mark on the league. Like, frankly, Kyler's career has. There's been three or four amazing games like the Hail Mary, the Hail Murray to DeAndre and like. But overall, I. He's kind of came and went.

[B]

Murray. Yeah.

[A]

But I don't know. It's. That was five years ago though. I. He's just. It's just. It's just been a weird time. Number six on the list of the most atrocious vibes in the NFL for six weeks. I have the Baltimore Ravens. I think the Ravens should probably be higher than the Cardinals. I. This is the worst season of Ravens history. Probably. Like, it's shit.

[C]

I think this is A short term ranking here. I feel like if you're a Ravens fan, obviously it's gone horrible but it's basically, I mean it's basically just Derek Henry and Lamar got or Lamar got hurt which then ruined the offense for a few weeks. But it's like couldn't you convince yourself that things might be okay and this is a division you can win.

[A]

You could go either way because you could argue that literally the Ravens on one hand, the Ravens have won 35 games last three years. They were the super bowl favorites in the preseason and they are one more win than the Jets. Like they have the same record as the Titans who just fired their head coach. Like that sucks. So on one hand you should. The Raven should be higher to your point. The optimism is very easy. Six and oh and the Ravens next six games is an insane because they hit the buy. It's like one in five in the bye. Like it's horrific. But they have the Bears when they come back. That is a do or die game. They have to beat the Bears. But if they can do that, then it's like at Miami who again vibes are atrocious at the Vikings where it's Carson Wentz or J.J. mcCarthy at Cleveland with Dylan Gabriel at the jets with Justin Fields. Like these are some of the worst quarterback situations in the whole league coming up. Then you still have two games left versus the Bengals, both probably with Joe Flacco for the Bengals. And you still have two games left with the Steelers where the Ravens beat the Steelers by a lot last year. And if the Steelers are winning the division, obviously they're at four wins, the Ravens are at one. But if the Ravens are able to sweep the Steelers, that gets you 20 on the Steelers up. And all the other games are against horrific quarterbacks. So if the Ravens are able to get again of the top nine guys in snaps for them in defense in week one, eight of the nine guys have been hurt. And if you get six of the nine back, it's not crazy to your point Craig, that maybe the Ravens still can win the division. So that's the hope is they could go six zero.

[C]

It's funny, I feel like this season could end with some of the best vibes. Like if the Ravens are hot, they sneak into the playoffs. They've been playing great for the final 10 weeks of the season. I think it comes down to what you said. Hi Fitz. I think if the Ravens can sweep the Steelers, they're in and that's what it'll come down to.

[A]

Well, it's not that simple.

[C]

But yes, it's I think based on like, how we expect them to be playing against like the jets and the Dolphins and the Browns. Like, I think it's going to end up working out with the Steelers schedule getting harder where if the Ravens can beat the Steelers twice, I think they, they are going to be in the playoffs is my guess.

[A]

You couldn't do better for a quarterback. You can't ask for an easier quarterback schedule than Caleb Williams, CARSON Wentz or J.J. mcCarthy, Dylan Gabriel, Justin Fields, Joe Flacco twice. You'll not. You won't do. Caleb Williams is by far the best quarterback they're facing.

[B]

I think the, the only counterpoint I have to this whole thing. I mean, I don't know if it's a counterpoint, but just in terms of the Ravens having horrific vibes and maybe this is actually them unraveling versus succumbing to a lot of injuries or maybe both. Is the accumulation over the years of just playoff collapses when they were like the favorites. And obviously the last time this team.

[C]

They have more like champagne problems.

[A]

I yeah, but also happiness is expectation minus reality. It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be hard to convince me the Ravens vibes are worse than the Browns because the Browns are dead inside and Ravens fans genuinely thought they'd win the Super Bowl. Speaking of which, The San Francisco 49ers are number seven on this list of atrocious vibes. Speaking of teams with his playoff collapses, then big expectations and injuries, Niners, I mean, they're 4 and 2. They're tied for first place in the NFC west, right? So on one hand, how could you put them in bad vibes? And yet this is the, this is the GTA meme. It's the. Ah, shit, here we go again. Like 2019, they made the Super bowl and then 2020 was the nightmare year and then they made the super bowl and it was Nightmare again in 2024. And it's like it's just happening again.

[B]

People, here's how, here's how we know that the 49ers vibes are tough is people on Twitter are talking about how they built a stadium on Native American burial ground.

[C]

Cursed. No, literally, like my all my friends are Niners fans. My dad is a die hard Niners fan and he's just like, we're cursed.

[B]

Yeah, it seems like truly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I.

[C]

Everyone's hurt. I Every week they just lost Fred Warner, the most horrific foot injury you'll see.

[A]

I have all the injuries written down here and it takes up like a whole page. Brock Purdy is the turf toe and the shoulder injury. Mack Jones, the backup quarterback's limping around with a PCL injury. Brandon Iuke's on injured reserve. George Kittles in injured reserve may be coming back soon. Ricky Parasol at receivers out. Joann Jennings, the receiver is playing through two different ankle sprains, five broken ribs.

[B]

And yet somehow he's the night. What are we gonna do? Bleed on me? He's just like, how is he even out there?

[A]

You know, the guy in Game of Thrones that keeps getting killed and they bring him back to life, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's kind of like Juwan Jennings. It's just unbelievable. But. And somehow the worst injuries are probably on defense because Nick Bosa is a top six pass rusher in the whole league, and he's out for the season. And Fred Warner is just straight up the best middle linebacker in the NFL. He's out for the season. Craig just said, those are two keystone players on a defense where, by the way, everyone else left in free agency because those two guys were the ones they had to keep. So everything was built around them. And they're done the whole year. So this, it is hard. Like, again, they're 4 and 2. They're tied for first, and yet they're.

[C]

Technically in first because they've beaten Seattle.

[A]

And the Rams, and yet this is how the season has begun. So I, I, this is.

[C]

Yeah, I feel bad for Niners fans. I really do.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I always forget the extent to which DK hates the night.

[B]

No, it's at this point, it's mostly performative. But yes, like, you know, I grew up in this industry covering the Seahawks and for a fan blog, and there was a lot of rivalry there.

[A]

So, yeah, number eight, worst vibes entering the NFL season, Las Vegas Raiders, two and four. But they're coming off a win. That was the problem. Their last place in the division, but they'd win. They're the only team in this entire list that won last week.

[B]

Maybe it's just like I'm projecting my expectations on them in terms of, like, what was what I was expecting from them and what they've actually done this year.

[A]

Someone who covered a fan blog for the Seahawks during the Pete Carol era.

[B]

Like, I thought Pete Carroll would whip this team into shape a little bit more, you know, because we talked about it all off season, like, there's finally adults in the room for the Raiders has just been a mess, you know, from the coaching Staff to the ownership to the gm, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's just been one terrible thing after another for them. And then getting Brady and Carol and then they hired Chip Kelly. I'm like, oh, man, I can really see this working. Then they trade for Geno Smith. I'm like, oh, he's a professional quarterback. This is going to look so much different, so much better. It's just same old fucking Raiders. This year. They're a total mess. The fans are turning on Pete Carroll's son, Brennan Carroll, because their offensive line has been totally all over the place. Carroll looks kind of. And yeah, they did win, but, like, Carol has kind of looked a little old and demoralized. I know he is, like the most energetic 70. What is he, 72 or three or whatever you've seen, But I don't know the times I've seen him because I haven't been like, you know, watching standalone games for the Raiders much this year. But, like, when. When I see him on the screen, he always just looks like a little sad. Geno is absolutely melting down and he has 10 turnovers this year, which is most in the NFL. Their offense has been really, really hit or miss. They've got injuries. Brock Bowers is out. Genty is kind of. He. He definitely has looked better lately, but he's kind of been a slow starter for them. They're 29th on offense, 29th on special teams. I will say the Raiders, I saw this. They're 10th in DVLA on defense, which I would never have guessed. So there's maybe one little, like, positive thing there. But overall, I don't know. Maybe we should ask Austin. But it just feels like the same old Raiders.

[C]

I think, in terms of the. The vibe, expectations, the vibe that we were kind of seeing in the off season. We talked about it a bunch. We're like, wow, the Raiders feel different. It's been extremely disappointing, especially after that week one win in New England where everyone's like, wow, okay, the Raiders, like, Gito's kind of ripping it. Brock Bowers immediately got hurt. This team is tanked, and everything looks terrible. So I agree with you. I didn't really think about the Raiders that way, but I agree with you.

[B]

But they beat the Titans. I mean, it's not necessarily like a season change.

[A]

That'll fix it.

[B]

Yeah, they get the Chiefs next, that'll be easy. If they can beat the Chiefs, then I'll think and I'll change my mind.

[A]

Yeah. Number nine teams with the worst ranked vibes in the NFL season this was the hardest team to rank I think in the whole list.

[C]

I think I have them the highest, the Eagles and I. People might get mad at me about this.

[A]

Sorry. The defending super bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Ninth on the list of teams with.

[C]

Worst vibes who are 4 and 2, first place in their division. I'm obviously grading this on a scale, but I think Eagles fans are distraught and I think the vibes are really genuinely bad. I think outside of years where teams that won the super bowl get injured, they have the year from hell the next year. I think the Eagles have some of the worst vibes of any post super bowl team in recent memory. I really do. Like, even though they're four and two, whatever back to back losses. They lost to the Giants. They basically haven't lost to the Giants in like since, since 2021. Really. They won in like 23. But that was a game that, that Hertz didn't really play in. So it's really been basically four years since they lost to the Giants. And just statistically it's a mess. Like none of it's working. They can't run the ball. They're 30th in yards per game this year. Offensive EPA they're 21st. They're 25th in rushing. Like the obvious. I mean the A.J. brown the passing game is a Met the Tush push after they did four. I think the worst thing the Eagles did was run four tush pushes in a row.

[B]

I know, I was thinking that too Craig. I was like as a coaching staff you shouldn't do that because now, now everyone's going to turn on you.

[C]

Single handedly converted like 90% of pro.

[B]

Tush push people to anti got that doing that. That decision to run four in a row got the Tush push.

[C]

Everyone's like, you know what?

[A]

For this it was a perfect storm because it was third and one at the three. So then they ran it and didn't get it. How to do fourth and one to three and then you're at the two and they just ran. You know what I mean? So they just kept getting one yard.

[B]

Micah Parsons is tweeting.

[A]

Not a football player and but you're. It was pro. It's funny because you can't call plays for like optics but like yeah, that probably will get a canceled.

[B]

There are people already like the Tush push is already basically hanging on by a threat.

[A]

What is this offense when they can't do it anymore.

[C]

And let me tell you this, the Eagles don't do it for the Eagles have Been outgained in all six games this year.

[A]

And it's just funny because. Yeah, again, after the first two plays of the game, sake one had nine meaningful rushing yards. They can't really run with Saquon Barkley, who's like, one of the best running backs ever, and they can't really get AJ Brown their ball as a receiver. So it's like. It's just. It's just.

[B]

What's their identity?

[A]

It's hard to explain. It's just a strange team.

[C]

I mean, I, I do think, ironically, Even though they're 4 and 2 coming off a Super bowl, this is like, maybe the lowest the vibes have been in like, four years.

[A]

The 2023. It was horrific. 2023 by far, because that was when they just. Matt Patricia was running the defense down the stretch and they lost to the Bucks and they were like, yeah, how could we have known they would blitz us? Like, they had no blitz. Pickups. Like, it was crazy. That was the worst.

[C]

But, yeah, they lost a lot of games heading into the but because they were like 10 and one to start that season. And then.

[A]

Yeah, and then they collapsed on the word.

[C]

I don't know. The paternal stuff is terrible.

[A]

I.

[C]

It's bad.

[A]

I think the Eagles, with the vibe where they are specific, I think I interact with more Eagles fans than you guys. They are not ready to take outside criticism at all. They still defend hurts to the death. They still. They're like, we're the defendant champion. Shut the fuck up. Internally. I know, I know that within the family, they're having conversations.

[C]

Their internal group chats are like, jalen, hurts fucking blows. It's like.

[B]

It's like from the Godfather where he's like, don't ever take sides with someone outside the family ever again.

[A]

It's exactly like that. But it's like the city. They can only talk about it in. In the geolocated conversations. Number 10 on the list of bad vibes. I also didn't know where to put this team, but number 10, a list of bad vibes this season. The New Orleans Saints.

[B]

I, I, I had this one was kind of tough for me because on one hand, I think there are some reasons to be positive, but at the end of the day, they're one and five and not good. And I think what I, what I ended up coming to on this was basically, they feel like. They feel like the team that is hungover, they went out, they maxed out their credit cards, they fucking lived large. They went to Ibiza and went to like a Rave. And I said it purposely like that. Just don't just be aware. And they kind of like, they did their thing. They sewed the royal oaths and then they came back and they're like, fuck, now we don't have any money. We have the. One of the worst caps. This is a 1 in 5 team, last place in the NFC south, and they have to shed $21 million to get under the cap next year. And so I think you got like Alvin Camara. He's just like, I don't want to leave. Like, I, I don't want to move. I'm just going to like, play this year out. Even though, like, I could go to some contender and possibly win a Super Bowl. I'm just kind of like, I feel like that in itself is just. I, I. Obviously we should probably be lauding him for being so loyal to his team. But at the same time, for me it's kind of like a nick. I'm like, so you're just gonna like play on some shitty team for the rest of your career and then just retire? Like, that just seems weird.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So that the vibes are just weird for, for the Saints. I think Rattler's been like, better than we expected. But that's about the only thing.

[A]

I think Rattler is the reason where it's like, what were the expectations of this team coming in? And then Rattlers played fine. I think the thing is, to your point, I, you know, I'm trying to think of. Of a place where maybe you would not want the night to end and take out a bunch of money late at night and wake up hungover and.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Craig, can you think of a city or a place where you'd want. Just don't want the night to end and kind of regret it the next day?

[C]

No, none that we've been to. No.

[A]

Can't think of any. I don't know. Anyway, number 11. Did Tom Tom even play? I don't even know.

[C]

I think it was the first time we came in under the guns.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We have nothing to say about the say. I, I just. They're a bad.

[B]

There he is.

[C]

I think in terms of expectation versus reality, it's, it's, it's like pretty aligned, which I think is why they're a little bit lower on.

[A]

Exactly. And Rattler's. It's, it's, it's like they knew they'd be bad. It was kind of interesting to see Rattler. Shuck has done nothing but shuck. Isn't even really a third quarterback. I think Taysom might play before shuck, but number 11, a team also, I didn't know what to do with because they're playing Thursday. But the Cincinnati Bengals, we had 11th, which is cheating.

[C]

This is probably like the last team before you jump into a new tier. Honestly, I think this is more this year. I guess you could convince yourself if they beat the Steelers, they have three wins and they're close, but it's like you're. You're obviously not, like, doing anything this year. I guess Burrow could come back at the very end of the season, but I think it's more just like in general, Cincinnati fans are. Are. Have been punished every other year, basically, since Burrow's been in the league. And it's probably extremely difficult to deal with that.

[A]

I thought the Bengals were hard to rank because of what you said. If the Bengals beat the Steelers on Thursday football, then they have three wins and the Steelers have four, and they have a head to head.

[B]

The.

[A]

The Steelers had a buy. It's the Bengals lost more games. But I'm like, if they beat the Steelers, I. I felt weird about having a team with atrocious vibes where, like, hey, the Flacco thing worked. Chase Higgins, like, they can pull this off. Maybe if the Bengals lose in Thursday in football, they should be, like, fourth or fifth on this list. Like, like, they'll have not. They'll have been winless without Burrow, and at this point, Burrow might not even come back. And so that Thursday in football, I don't want to be like, the whole season's on it. But a tremendous amount hinges on the Bengals making the being relevant. Burrow returning, clinging to that hope. A tremendous amount rides on this Thursday.

[C]

Football game, and even that still feels like a long shot. But even if they were to win, it's like, all right, this is a.

[A]

Team that starts owing to every year, and then they just go and make the playoffs anyway.

[C]

It's ironic because they started 2. 0 this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Careful. It's like, I don't know how. How. How good would they have to be with Flacco for Burrow to actually come back and have a shot?

[A]

Everything else is as expected. The defense is horrific, and I it like. But the Bengals never sell at the deadline. The Bengals never trade. The Bengals never give in, probably to their detriment, because they just. Until they're, like, statistically eliminated, they don't believe in that. Again, the owner's father was Paul Brown, who, like, was like, the best coach like Bill Belichick would say, Paul Brown's the best coach ever. They're just as old school as old school gets. I think if they lose the next couple of games, even the Bengals might be sellers at the trade deadline, which maybe doesn't sound crazy, but they don't do that. But I think Trey Hendrickson could be on the block if they like the next couple weeks if they lose. So there will either. Yeah.

[C]

Should we switch it to good vibes and talk about the three of us in the ringer fantasy football league?

[A]

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[C]

Yeah, the boys are buzzing. The three of us are in second, third and fourth place. We are all four and two. Only Sal is technically ahead of us.

[B]

The fucking wagon, too.

[C]

Yeah, Sal's a wagon. Actually.

[B]

I saw this week.

[C]

Dk. Was it you who just beat Sal, though?

[B]

I did. Yeah, you did.

[A]

I had.

[B]

I had one hell of a week.

[C]

You did.

[A]

You.

[C]

You. You went nuts. So anyway, this things are. Things are getting interesting. Like the three of us are all in the mix, which is kind of exactly what we wanted. And Bill is one in five. He's in last place.

[A]

The standings are wild. A five way. Bill. Bill being last is amazing. Bill being in last.

[C]

Sal being in first is also amazing.

[A]

Well, but it's tied we're all. It's a five way tie for first place. It's the three of us and Sal and Sean Finesse Salad's the tiebreaker with the most points, but we're all four and two and then house is at three and three. So that's pretty amazing for five, five people to be tied for first.

[C]

A lot of parody.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, There you go.

[B]

What did Sal say when he picked his punishment? He was like, there's no way I'm losing Bill. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Bill said there's no way I'm getting last. So it's fine. The jury. No, no.

[B]

Sal said that. He was like, there's no way I'm losing to Bill's team or whatever. And then Sal's just kind of swag.

[C]

There's no way I'm losing the five quarterbacks.

[A]

And also it's funny because I feel like my team's pretty solid, but I ended up having again for our fantasy league, we made the punishment. You do a thing, you can draft so you actually can draft an easier punishment earlier. But the thing was we did it live. So if you took a player that had already been taken, you had to take a punishment. That was the deal. I, who was fucking hosting the live stream was lost track and I drafted someone. So I. My 8th round pick was if I come in last, I have to eat a pizza. I have to eat a olive anchovy pizza.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I didn't even have eighth pick. Yeah, whatever. I didn't even have an eighth round pick.

[B]

So you're just building in excuses already. All right, I see how I'm saying.

[C]

I'm just proud of myself.

[A]

I win. I didn't take any round pick.

[C]

I'm 2 and 0 without Lamar. So I feel like that's not getting enough talk, not enough buzz around the group chat. But I was kind of able to wins.

[A]

Kind of a weak schedule.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Put up north of 130 both weeks. That's not bad.

[A]

Didn't you beat now this week. Kind of funny to gloat to Mallory, a Ravens fan, about how beating her without Lamar Jackson, that's kind of like.

[B]

A. I'm in second place and Jaden Daniels has missed two weeks. So I mean.

[A]

All right, this is really fearing. This is. No one gives a. Let's move on Fantasy court. Do we have the fantasy court drop? Oh, that was Tom.

[C]

That was Tom.

[A]

Got you Kai.

[C]

He's got trigger finger.

[A]

Kai is just in this spin cycle right now.

[C]

Kai is just absolutely technical difficulties.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Honestly, I'm just gonna start reading this email and Kai, just play it then. Play it.

[C]

No, it's just Tom. Tom.

[A]

I hope it becomes far to show.

[C]

Keep all of this, Kai.

[A]

Even though they can't hear you, please keep it.

[C]

Yeah, I think Kai's in shock that I won two games without Lamar. She's kind of frazz.

[A]

Kai's like, no, no, no. Keep talking about how Jen Daniels is out and DK and Craig persevered. That's sick.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you started it, pal.

[A]

All right. So fantasy court.

[B]

Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.

[A]

I don't really Handcuffed.

[C]

The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.

[A]

This one's from Alec Abel. Alec, Alec says I'm requesting a ringer fantasy court ruling for my 16 man dynasty league.

[B]

Oh wow.

[A]

This guy.

[B]

Sicko.

[A]

I'm the commissioner. A recent trade has raised a dispute. We've never had anything like this happen in league history. A manager put in the group chat that he wanted to trade future draft picks for running back or receiver and then shortly afterward he trades a 2026 second round pick and a 2027 third round pick for ETN. Okay, we thought it was Travis ETN. Oh, but he actually traded for Trevor ETN, the little brother of Travis who's on the Panthers. Because on sleeper, the sleeper platform it comes across. It just says T E T N. Yep.

[C]

Yeah. But it says the team he's on.

[A]

It does say the team. And so since trades don't automatically process the I, the commissioner had to approve it and I also pushed it through without realizing that it was Trevor etn. I also thought it was Trevor CTN for this trade and I feel like I should have followed up with the manager before pushing it through because there was an obvious mistake here and a mistake so easy to make. I also didn't notice the manager admits it was a mistake that I think the guy who accept who took Trevor ETN was like, I didn't want Trevor ETN. And it's basically 5050 on the league about whether we should overturn this or not. But we did agree that however you guys rule, we will abide.

[C]

I love that people are so willing to listen to us Seed power to us. What, wait, what was the commissioner rule again? The commissioner has to approve the trade.

[A]

So that's just like normal, you know, it's like LM instead of like a vote. It's just like LM like sometimes the commissioner has to just hit the button and approve Instead of just an automatically go through. So he just hit the button and then he looked, he was like, oh shit, that was Trevor ETN for his future second.

[C]

I think it's on. As much as I want to defend the guy who traded away or who's who traded for the wrong etn, I do think it's on him.

[B]

Right? Really? Oh, I disagree. I think the commissioner should reverse this. This is like obvious that he didn't mean to trade for that guy. I don't know. This is one of, I think we've, we've had fantasy courts like this in the past where it's like, this isn't the point. You're not trying to trick someone when you trade him. Whatever. Because there's been other instances of this where people get confused about which player they're trading for.

[A]

I think emergency room doesn't set his lineup. If I was decisions, but if I.

[B]

Was the commissioner, I would immediately reverse this because it wasn't. Because it's obvious the guy's not going to trade a future second for Trevor etn.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Part of me is like, he's not playing.

[B]

Which one is it, Travis or Trevor? Now I'm confused.

[C]

He traded for Trevor accidentally, but he won. Travis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is like, this is one of those things. It's like you're being a good faith commissioner if you reverse this trade. He didn't, he did not mean to trade for this guy.

[C]

Look, that's the sensible solution. It's more like funny fantasy football. Spirited. Hey man, this is kind of hilarious. Yeah. To let this, to let this stand.

[A]

But there's something to be said for looking at the finer details. I have to recuse myself from this case.

[B]

Are you in this league?

[A]

No, but I, I do have to, I, I, I have may have engaged in this sort of activity in the past.

[B]

Yeah, see, that makes me like feel even stronger that I'm right.

[C]

You participated. Is it a B. Robinson situation?

[A]

Yeah. So in fantasy based in. I was in like 8th grade and it was in this fantasy baseball league. And this is like the, it was like a big shortstop era. There was like Jose Reyes for the Mets. There was Jimmy Rollins, the Phillies, and there was this guy on the Mets in like double A who's a catcher who's also was named Jose Reyes. So in fantasy baseball it came out as Jose A. Reyes, but crucially, he had the little New York Mets next to him. So as long as you didn't click on the name, you would never know unless you knew Jose Reyes.

[B]

Middle name.

[A]

I may or may not have added Jose A. Reyes off of waivers and then traded him straight up for Jimmy Rollins.

[C]

Yeah, but you did that intentionally. This the ETN person, I don't imagine. I imagine it was the guy who. Who accidentally traded for the wrong etn was just earnestly clicked on the wrong name, I'm assuming.

[B]

Right.

[C]

It wasn't somebody on the other side doing bad faith trading.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

I will check the email. I did ask for more clarification because I had the same question. Who? For what?

[B]

That's. That is what we need to know. This. You know, this reminds me of. There used to be a guy on the Bears named Adrian Peterson.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The one getting etn admits it was a mistake on his end. Oh.

[C]

So he reached out and he made the offer.

[A]

So it's tough.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I would argue even in the screen now, you're right. It says tn. You're kind of on autopilot. I would argue.

[B]

I.

[A]

And I. I may or may not have did this multiple times because there's also a reliever named Ryan Braun for years, and I. I kind of flipped him too.

[C]

Jesus.

[B]

You're kind of. This is just a serial cheater in eighth grade.

[A]

Yeah. This guy named Kevin never make a trade. I am, but.

[C]

Poor Kevin.

[A]

But I will say one thing about this, which is it says Carolina, right?

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It says the TN like it says Tet in Carolina. Now I get that it's Travis ETN and you're kind of rushing and maybe you don't know, he has a brother. Okay, hold on. Say the name.

[B]

So to be clear, the guy who traded for Trevor ETN initiated the request. He was the one who initiated the request. Okay, then that's fine. I think we keep it that way. If the other guy sent this and he was like, try. He was like, basically fishing to get this guy to like, fuck up. That's different. In this case, I'm like, I'm okay keeping it.

[A]

So I. As someone who also went fishing, I. I agree. If the person sent him a trade for Trevor Etienne, decline. I think it's.

[B]

This is.

[A]

But if he sent it, you think that, like. So if this person said it and clicked on it, I think it was Travis. Then you're like, oh, sorry, no picks next year.

[B]

It is funny that both him and the commissioner didn't notice this.

[A]

By the way.

[B]

I. I petitioned Sleeper to tell them to stop with the. With the first initial thing. They didn't listen to me. It's really annoying to me. Just put the whole name.

[C]

I feel bad. I do. I kind of feel bad for this guy. Like kind of shooting this down. But I don't know, it's kind of a lesson learned situation.

[B]

22Nd, a 20, 26 second. This is going to be like in.

[A]

A 16 team league.

[B]

A big deal in a 16 team league.

[A]

Second and a third. Yeah, it's, it's. I will say this. It's obvious making the trade stay is funnier. Keeping reversing it is justice. Do we care about justice or making it funny because they're abiding? I don't know.

[B]

That's where. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know that I'm recusing myself. I've done this a lot.

[C]

No, but it's different. You like, you have to make somebody.

[B]

Come on, you have to. So I'm gonna go back to my original. Craig is. Craig is saying keep it. I'm saying reverse it because it's good faith commissioning. You know what I'll say, You make the call.

[C]

Can I make one more case?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm now maybe leaning to DK side because regardless of what happens, the guy learned his lesson.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it's in a 16 team league, a 22nd or a second round pick is like actually valuable.

[C]

If you reverse this trade, give him ETN back or whatever, you know, fix everything. The guy who made, who made this blunder, he still learned his lesson. He's never gonna do it again.

[A]

So can we, can we make one part of this maybe as a. As opponent can we make. He has to change his team name to like Tetn.

[B]

Yeah, we got, Is there, is there.

[A]

Something we want to name?

[C]

Maybe he has to like give a fourth round pick and I was gonna.

[B]

Say forfeit that third to keep the second or something like that, the punitive.

[A]

I actually think that's super fair. He gets to. Yeah, the 2027 third. He gets to keep. He gets back in reverse. Something like that for 20, 26. I like that. That's fair. All right. That's the decision.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

I like that. Okay, let's get to some emails here. We have. I'm not gonna lie. You guys gotta lock in. We have some good stuff.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Okay, hold on. Let me get my smelling salt.

[A]

Yeah. All right.

[C]

First let's go and do that. By the way, everyone's doing that. Did you see Pablo? Pablo and Mina did it.

[A]

I'm so mad. We said we're gonna do it when we were in Los Angeles. We forgot.

[C]

I've never done it. Hi, Fitz.

[B]

Of you. Hi, Fitz.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Guess where we're going next week.

[A]

Oh, Los Angeles. All right. Yeah. We would have smelling sauce at the office.

[C]

Literally. We only have one more show before we're in person.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Okay. We'll mail them to the office. Okay. So we took a lot of emails here about labor. This one's from Alana.

[C]

Alana.

[B]

Alana. I love these.

[A]

Short and sweet.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Hours after I delivered a baby, my husband unironically looks at me and says, my back really hurts.

[C]

He's like, I've been standing all day.

[B]

Oh, my God. I accidentally read it. This is so good.

[A]

I love these kinds of stories. I love. So my back hurts. My back hurts. Imagine saying that to your wife. It's like the same day she delivered.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then this is an email from Ben Benny. I truncated it, but basically he's like, I'm with my wife at the hospital in the middle of what ended up being 26 hours of labor, and she was in so much pain. They actually gave her actually fentanyl, actually. And Ben says, I'm flipping channels at three in the morning being the dutiful husband, and I'm staying up all night trying to let my wife get a little bit of sleep. Turns out my wife is not really fully asleep, but is instead laying in her hospital bed in a fentanyl induced half sleep state and says to herself, in her half sleep state, mumbling to herself, I'm quote, I'm in the worst pain of my life, literally creating a human. And this motherfucker's just sitting there watching Bob's burgers. She's like, fuck this guy.

[B]

That's so funny.

[C]

She said, fuck this guy.

[A]

She said, fuck this guy.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

This guy about her husband sitting there watching Bob's burgers. Fuck this guy.

[C]

I thought you were gonna say that. He was like on Skinemax or something like that. I was asleep and she like, woke up.

[B]

Skinimax. Oh, all right.

[A]

The smelling salts gave you some prophetic powers. I can't wait.

[B]

Jesus Christ. I don't even want to read this.

[C]

It's terrible.

[A]

I gotta stretch. I gotta stretch. If you've made it this far into the episode, you gotta stick with us. Oh, I am so excited. This is all right. I'm sorry, I have to stretch.

[C]

Take a sip of water. Yeah, go ahead. I have. I'm terrified where this is going.

[A]

Yeah, don't.

[B]

Lock it.

[A]

Don't bother me. This is from jbone.

[C]

Oh, we can't even name him. It's so bad.

[B]

J Bone. Like a real J Bone.

[A]

Jbone says, I'm from Austin, okay? So my usual breakfast is either savory, I don't know if pronounce kolaches, sausage, jalapeno and cheese, or the go to bacon, egg and cheese, avocado breakfast taco.

[C]

Heavy start.

[A]

Yeah. Austin's also has good breakfast. Jbone writes, My first child was born Saturday morning, August 20, 2011. Oh, yeah, Leo, big day. Life changing. But as fate would have it, later that very night was also our very long running fantasy football league draft. Okay, in, in this league, this is Jaebo, not me. In this league, I'm basically Face from the A team. I'm the smooth talker, resourceful, always finding a way to make things happen. My secret weapon for our fantasy football draft every year is each year I would recruit two dancers from a local gentleman's club to assist with the draft, okay? And they would serve drinks, keep the energy high, and strategically provide just enough distraction to give me a competitive edge.

[B]

Hold on. He's recruiting strippers.

[A]

He has strippers work the draft so he can get like Jimmy Graham in the, in the 12th round. In the.

[C]

Are there any openings in this league? Any openings? Hit me up.

[B]

He has strippers numbers, in other words?

[A]

Well, I don't know. And so the deal, he says the deal is simple, is 12 league members, $100 each.

[C]

The dance is stripper like me or is this just her job?

[A]

It's just her job. No, he says the, the guys are all in it with deep pockets, so I think the strippers just like them, okay? They're just, you know, they're just huge fans, okay? You know, he says the girls are treated well, they make a small fortune and the fellows are all super happy. And I'd get to weasel in some.

[C]

Really good across the board.

[A]

Yeah, they maybe not crossing off names on the paper so well.

[C]

What's funny is I bet those guys know what he's up to and they don't care.

[A]

They don't give a fuck. They're like, dude, this guy cares about fucking Maurice Jones.

[C]

Have fun with Jimmy Graham.

[B]

Who cares?

[A]

Who gives a shit? So jbone writes, I've always been very transparent with my wife and she knows all about my yearly draft quote, draft strategy. So flash forward to my son being born the day of this draft. When our son was born that morning, my wife understood that 11 other guys were counting on me to pull off this sacred annual ritual. This day was like Christmas. Their Birthday and the super bowl all wrapped into one evening for these 11 guys. And if I don't show, the entertainment falls through. And I'm the point man that makes this happen.

[C]

Can you imagine if the entertainment fell through? Can you imagine that would be.

[A]

Can you imagine? So jbone writes, so my wife let me slip away for a few hours that night under one strict rule, no drinking.

[C]

Okay?

[B]

That's it. Nothing else.

[A]

Because I'd be coming back to our newborn and my wife in the hospital. So no drinking.

[B]

He's just covered in glitter.

[A]

So to this day, unbelievable.

[B]

Going into the er, he's inside of.

[C]

A cake.

[A]

Covered in frosting. So to this day, when our oldest son's birthday comes up, my wife still laughs and says to friends, oh, yeah, our son's birthday, the night J Bone went to a party with hookers. And every time.

[B]

Hookers.

[A]

Every time I jumped in, jumped up a notch. Every time I jumped and I correct her, I'm like, it was exotic dancers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I think. I think we've now, what we've just created is a competition for the coolest wife of all time. And I now plea. Email us if you think you have the coolest wife of all time. This is, like, a remarkable story.

[A]

This is like Andre Kirilenko's wife who's like, yeah, he gets to cheat on me once a year. It's fine.

[C]

And everyone's like, is that a thing?

[A]

Oh, you don't know this? Yeah, she's talked to us publicly. She's like, yeah, it's like. Because the NBA players, you know, they're on the road 41 games a year, and it's a whole thing.

[B]

Like, he's got, like, a hall pass.

[A]

Yeah, he gets a hall pass. He gets one a year. And she's like, in my experience, if I didn't give it to him, he would cheat. And then I give it to him. And something about me allowing him to do it, I think actually when he does it, he actually feels worse and doesn't want to do it again.

[C]

Do you think he just still does it all the time he does it?

[B]

I don't know. And he feels terrible? I don't know.

[A]

Not my marriage.

[C]

It's a smart idea by her, I think, trying to get ahead of it, but I don't know about that.

[A]

I don't want to speak for her. I'll. I'll read the quote she has. The quote is. This is. I'm reading. This is 2013. She said this.

[C]

This is.

[A]

Wow. This is a quote also.

[C]

Like, her saying this publicly is interesting.

[A]

What's forbidden is. This is a quote. What's forbidden is always desirable. Athletes, particularly men, all are susceptible to all things they're offered. Same way raising kids. If I tell my kid, no pizza, no pizza, you know what? He wants pizza. And she goes on. And yeah, she basically is like, yeah, if you want to do it, do it. But anyway, yeah, her. Maybe that's this guy's wife's thoughts. Maybe. J Bones, Andre Kirilenko.

[B]

My thoughts.

[C]

Yeah, go dj. Your biggest takeaway.

[B]

How about just not cheat on your wife?

[C]

Better. Better win for his wife or better loss for Akirolenko.

[B]

Loss.

[C]

Well, because now the kids, like, what? Loss has been removed according to his wife.

[B]

Right, right, right, right.

[C]

You know, whatever. Do what you got to do. But I don't know why you say this publicly. Why, why, why do that?

[B]

Yeah, I all, you know, I respect if there. If this is the lifestyle they want to live. I can respect that. I do. I do think it is funny that she's just like resigned to the fact that he will cheat on her. That's not great. But, you know, that's their life.

[A]

So anyway, that's this guy's wife.

[C]

Very diplomatic. Yeah.

[B]

What would you like me to say, Greg?

[A]

Can you imagine? Like, you just zoom out for a second. This guy, I actually believe him when he's like, I'm the A team. I'm the fucking face from a team of this draft. And I'm like, this guy, you zoom out in a sentence. You're like, this guy the day his son was his first child was born, went to his fantasy football draft with strippers and then came back to the hospital.

[C]

Yeah. Like I said, this is like an all time wife move. I can't. I'm in shock. I'm in shock.

[A]

Pretty chill. Weird.

[B]

I still laughing about the guy who told his wife his back hurts so good.

[A]

Okay, this is another one last.

[C]

Was it Andre Kirolinko's league? Is that who jbone is?

[A]

Yeah, probably. This email here is from Deacon's buddy from Seattle who didn't want to share his name.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

No, no, nothing.

[B]

I'll call him B Bone for buddy.

[A]

Okay. So he was. He writes. So I told the story for people who are not listening or who didn't hear, who have no idea what this is about. That joke in Austin Powers gold member where Dr. Evil gets hit in the nuts. He's like, wait, let me make sure they're still there. One, two and three were good. I saw that when I was like seven years old and I got really concerned that I didn't have three balls. And I thought that for years. So anyway, I asked for stories like that and didn't expect this one. So DK's buddy didn't want to be named, says similar to Heifetz and the gold member story. I had a unique experience learning about how many testicles someone should have. When I was 14, I was in sex education, and in class they talked about how guys have two testicles, which really surprised me because whenever I felt down there, I have two and a half.

[B]

A half.

[A]

Yes, he says I have two full size testicles and one clearly half size testicle.

[B]

Interesting. How are they like?

[C]

That makes me very nervous.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That gives me tremendous anxiety. So continuing the email, he says, I went home from school that day, told my dad that I learned people are only supposed to have two, but I have two and a half. And my father booked a doctor appointment immediately.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And after an ultrasound, they confirmed, yes, indeed, I have two and a half testicles. It is rare, but nothing to be concerned about from a health medical standpoint.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

How are they situated? That's what I'm. Now I'm trying to.

[A]

That's a good. Is it like a sandwich? Yeah.

[B]

Whereas the, like the third one's lower.

[A]

Than the other two.

[B]

Higher.

[A]

Does it move? Yeah.

[C]

He's your buddy dk, shooting, you know.

[B]

Like the little, like, thing that you put on a desk. That's just like the two balls that, like, hit the metal ball and then it creates like the perpetual.

[A]

The Newton thing. Yeah, it's just like that. That's what I think. Newton got the idea.

[B]

Just a perpetual motion. Okay, so continue. Is that it or no?

[A]

So he says. Later on in life, in my twenties, I become friends with this comedian based in Los Angeles, and he hosts a successful podcast at the time. And so I fly down to la, hang out with this comedian friend, and I sit in on an episode that he's taping. And it just so happened that for that episode, the two people on the show were porn stars.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

And like a fantasy draft. Somewhat famous porn stars. Yeah. And then there was J Bone. Yeah. So kind of famous porn stars. And he says during the episode, they actually end up started talking about testicles. And I knew this was my moment to shine. And so I blurted out, I have two and a half balls. And I wasn't supposed to be anything but a spectator for this episode, but they immediately, these porn stars start asking me questions. Thankfully, this was an Audio only podcast. Because the next thing I know, I am standing in front of two porn stars while they each took turns grabbing my balls to confirm that I actually have two and a half balls.

[C]

They gave him a physical.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

They had professional curiosity, if you will.

[A]

Ask them to cough and everything.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And then he ended the email. I'm like, I feel like it was just getting good, right? It's like, come on. Redacted. Like, come on, man, let's keep going here.

[B]

This is how porn starts, right? Like podcasts?

[C]

I wouldn't know. You tell me, dk, you freak.

[A]

This is your friend.

[B]

Says the guy who watches Cinemax.

[C]

That's called Get a Max.

[A]

Sorry, Quietly.

[C]

Which I feel like you should know the most about.

[A]

I was going to say no.

[B]

Is Get a Max a real thing?

[A]

I always pretending that's. That's. That's also. It's one of those dated, really dated references. Like, I don't think Craig or I or anyone younger than us has ever, like, paid for porn.

[C]

Yeah. When I was like, you know, 15 or whatever. It's like you. It's like midnight and you're like scrolling around the premium or like the cable channels that you like, if you have a subscription to HBO or whatever. And then it's always like the, like, weirdest, like, soft core drama, you know? You know, like you have ESPN on. On the last channel button ready to go just in case.

[B]

The most. The previous unit, the most universal experience.

[C]

Like, you have ears like a German shepherd waiting to hear if anything happens upstairs. Like, one ear is, like, physically turned towards the doorway.

[B]

The last button. Yeah. It's your last salvation.

[A]

We should have gotten out of here so long ago. Dk. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronnie. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you, everyone. Emailed in thank you to Jaybone's wife. But mostly thank you again to all the wives who deal with husbands while you're giving birth. That's. You know what? Sorry. Shout out. Especially to Alana. Sorry your husband's back hurt. I'm sorry. To your husband's back.

[B]

Did you ask him how he's doing?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, ask him how he's doing.

[B]

Back to us.

[A]

Let us know how your husband's back is doing. Rankings, fantasy football.3.com for updated rankings. Yeah, after the next episode, we'll be in Los Angeles together next week. So we're gonna have a bunch of episodes in person. We gotta remember to do the smelling salts. Thank you, Lord.

[C]

Lord.

[B]

Thank you, butthole Surfers. You guys ever heard of them?

[C]

Was that a Skin Max channel?

[B]

Oh, hey.

[C]

Oh, no. I don't know what that is.

[B]

Butthole Surfers.

[C]

Okay. I gotta say, you have a. You have a naughty mouth.

[B]

Sometimes I get a poop mouth.

[C]

Poop mouth, Ron. Poop words.

[B]

Craig, if I offered you some money for my wallet right now, would you forgive me?

[C]

Please tell me about this band that I don't want to say the name.

[B]

I don't actually know a lot about. The Butthole Surfers. They had a song, famous song, called Pepper.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And that's the extent of which I know about them.

[A]

Did they just, like, demand? They didn't want to be popular. Like, why did they name their band the Butthole Surfers?

[B]

But we're talking about it now, you know, like 30 years later.

[C]

How did you think of them?

[B]

Somebody told me to do it because we were talking about the band Pepper a while ago, and one of them. Butthole Surfer's main song is called Pepper.

[A]

So this conversation about Sex Report had nothing to do. It's completely unrelated from the Butthole.

[B]

Well, yeah, that too. Started thinking about genitalia and. Great.

[C]

Pretty sick Chubbs.

[B]

They're an American rock band formed in San Antonio, Texas.

[C]

Have you seen that?

[A]

We're dancing around. You tell me every fact except why they named the band Butthole Surfer. And also what part of the butthole we're surfing on here. I even surf that.

[B]

Okay, let's go here. Let's see. They did not.

[A]

Craig started thinking. Craig's mind just went somewhere.

[B]

I don't know why they're called the Butthole Surfers. I should have done my research on this.

[A]

The fact you think I care about anything about these people, other than that.

[C]

Origin story, it is tough to sell. Have you guys seen that video of the guy, like, pretending to be the lead singer of the Bare Naked Ladies? And it's like them pitching themselves to a music label for the first time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they're like. He's like, hey, what's up? So, yeah, we're really excited to see you guys. Like, what's your band name? The guy's like, the Barenaked Ladies. And they're like, okay, that's a pretty rough start. Going to be really hard to market. And he's like, yeah, yeah. But our first. Our big song starts like this. Chicken to China to Chinese chicken. And they're like, get the fuck out of the.

[B]

Oh, that's really good.

[C]

Shout out to. I don't know how you pronounce this, but I think it's Moschino Dorito. That guy's hilarious.

[B]

He made that video. So, anyway, great.

[A]

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