Fantasy Sleepers for 2025, Cold Soup, and Staff Sergeant Reckless

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: Fantasy Sleepers for 2025, Cold Soup, and Staff Sergeant Reckless
Date: July 22, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into fantasy football “sleepers” for the 2025 NFL season: players who are undervalued, overlooked, or poised to outperform their draft slot. Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck break down recent NFL news and discuss how off-field events and team changes affect key fantasy outcomes. The show then moves into an energetic, well-researched conversation about various categories of sleepers—highlighting running backs, wide receivers, and quarterbacks—from “dad nap” obvious picks to “coma” deep darts. The episode closes with listener emails, including a hilarious and surprisingly moving segment about cold soup punishments for fantasy leagues, horses with military honors, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rapid-Fire NFL News Update

[05:39-14:54]

• Suspensions & Legal Shifts:

  • Rashee Rice (Chiefs WR): Sentenced to 30 days in jail (to be served over 5 years), likely faces a 3-4 game suspension.
  • Jordan Addison (Vikings WR): “Wet reckless” plea (alcohol-involved reckless driving); expects a 2-3 game suspension.

    “Don’t go 140 in a 55. Don’t drink and drive. Don't do any of those things. For fantasy purposes, which is always the most awkward pivot of all...” —Danny Hyfens [11:03]

• Fantasy Draft Impact:

  • Both players drop slightly in draft value, but hosts suggest buying if ADP falls, since early-season suspensions can be managed.

    “If you can get Rashee Rice around later now ... I actually don't think it's a terrible pick.” —Craig [12:32]

• Detroit Lions Injury Woes:

  • Key injuries across O-line and defense; offensive line suddenly looks average or worse, which could alter early expectations for stars like Jameer Gibbs and Amon-Ra St. Brown.
  • Coaching turnover and new O-line configuration examined.

    “Suddenly the Lions’ offensive line went from a great unit to ... is this like the Niners, where it’s Trent Williams and four guys who are fine?” —Danny Hyfens [17:10]

• Cincinnati Bengals Backfield Clarity:

  • Chase Brown emerges as a likely lead back due to last season’s end-of-year usage; Zach Moss’s presence still keeps some ambiguity about a committee.

• NFLPA Scandals:

  • Hilarious and sad reporting on union execs expensing strip club visits, leading to resignations.

    “Just get an Uber to drop you off and call an Uber when—why would you have the car wait for six hours?” —Danny Hyfens [20:58]

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2. Intro Music & Podcast Tidbits

[05:22-06:26]

• The classic Ringer Fantasy Football Show intro music and graphics are back thanks to listener demand.

  “The most electric I’ve ever felt in my entire life is when the little screensaver is trying to get it to go right to the corner.” —Danny Hyfens [06:13]

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3. Defining "Sleepers" & Categories

[25:17-26:15]

• Sleepers don’t have to be total unknowns:
  • “Sometimes you say ‘sleepers’ and people are like, oh yeah, guys who are going lower than they want ... some people are like the third-string running back on the 49ers ... So we have just categorized different kinds of sleepers.” —Danny Hyfens [25:17]
• The categories:
  • Dad nap sleepers: Overlooked but not obscure (you’ve heard of them)
  • REM sleep (classic sleepers): Value at current draft cost, not famous names
  • Coma guys: Extremely deep shots, super-late value picks

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4. Dad Nap Sleepers — “Obvious But Undervalued”

[26:14-46:05]

Kenneth Walker (Seahawks RB)

• Role: Expected to be lead running back in new run-heavy scheme under Clint Kubiak.

  “Ken Walker, just in terms of pure running talent, one of the best... Seahawks are basically signaling ... they are going to be a run heavy team.” —Danny Kelly [26:14]

• Concerns: Health and offensive line, but proven ability and better-suited scheme.

Chase Brown (Bengals RB)

• End-of-2024 Usage: RB5 over weeks 9–17; potential 85%+ share if no committee.

  “It’s like the least sexy running back you can pick that might just have the workload of all the sexy running backs.” —Craig [33:31]

• Doubts remain about Zach Moss eating into his role.

Justin Fields (Jets QB)

• Likely to start; underrated upside due to running ability in a design-heavy run game.
• Can pair with mid-tier pocket QBs for safety.

  “It’s just hard for me to imagine the reason you won your league being like, well, I drafted Tyrone Tracy, 97th...” —Danny Hyfens [45:06] “He could suck at passing and he's very likely going to, and it won't matter.” —Danny Kelly [46:36]

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5. REM Sleepers — “More Traditional Sleepers”

[48:06-63:09]

Calvin Ridley (Titans WR)

• Rationale: What if #1 overall pick Cam Ward is actually good? Ridley’s strong finish in 2024 with Will Levis, potential for huge target share, improved offensive line, and lack of competition.

  “If Cam Ward is just solid—13, 1400 yards for Calvin Ridley seems very plausible...” —Craig [48:27]

• Boring offense and team keep him off radars, but all the pieces for a breakout are present.

Jacoby Myers (Raiders WR)

• Steady Production: Finished as WR26 last year despite poor QB play; big target share remains in a Geno Smith–led offense.

  “His name just flies under the radar continually, every single year. Jacoby Myers... 40th at receiver... He’s going to get a ton of volume this year in this ... concentrated passing game in Las Vegas.” —Danny Kelly [53:45]

Tetairoa McMillan (Panthers WR)

• Rookie Outlook: Was 8th overall, little buzz due to Bryce Young’s volatile reputation; targets expected to concentrate on him given lack of WR competition; rookie WRs often outperform.

  “For a guy who went 8th overall, he is flying ... under the radar for sure.” —Craig [56:54]

Rhamondre Stevenson (Patriots RB)

• Fully written off after 2024; now under-ranked; likely to start season as lead back in Josh McDaniels’ classic run-heavy committee.

  “There’s no way that’s correct—Rhamondre Stevenson is 27 and he can’t be ranked 123rd.” —Danny Hyfens [63:40]

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6. Deep Sleepers & Late-Round “Coma Guys”

[63:12-76:35]

Handcuffs & RB Depth Targets

• Will Shipley (Eagles): Natural Saquon Barkley handcuff, three-down skillset.
• Isaac Guerendo (49ers): Potential McCaffrey backup with immediate handcuff value.
• Tyler Allgeier (Falcons): Proved he can be a workhorse in rookie season.
• Ray Davis (Bills): Could step into a monster role if James Cook goes down.
• Jalen Wright (Dolphins): Raheem Mostert replacement; Miami offense always produces RB value.
• Trey Benson (Cardinals): Quiet rookie year, but possible second-year leap.
• Miles Sanders (Cowboys): Nearly undrafted, could start or split in Dallas—a pure opportunity play.

Notable Mention

• Roschon Johnson (Bears):
  If D’Andre Swift stumbles (either via injury or trust/fit), Johnson becomes the likely next man up in a vastly improved Bears offense.

  “If DeAndre Swift ends up in the doghouse or just gets hurt ... Roschon Johnson probably [will] be the next man up.” —Danny Kelly [74:53]

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7. Listener Emails & League Punishment Segment

[77:52-94:52]

Fantasy Punishment: The Cold Soup Challenge

• Listener Mike: Loser in his league had to eat two cans of Campbell’s chicken and rice — cold.

  “Each loss, I spent weeks agonizing over the decision of what soup I should choose. If I would eat it from a bowl, straight from the can, should I chug it from a cup?” —Listener Mike [79:57]

• The crew finds this both disgusting and “perfectly achievable,” and recommends it as a universally viable punishment.

Animal Athletes and Historical Horses

• Staff Sergeant Reckless: Listener shares an incredible true story of a highly decorated Marine Corps horse who saw combat, earned multiple medals, and was promoted—including the battlefield rank of corporal.

  “Awarded two Purple Hearts, Marine Corps Conduct Medal... Life Magazine recognized her as one of America’s 100 all-time heroes.” —Danny Hyfens [91:08]

Other Comedy and Banter

• Discussion about pet arrogance (dogs vs. Secretariat), bad website domains, and fantasy football’s odd traditions.
• Participants riff about other punishment ideas and classic movie theories (e.g., Ned Ryerson as the devil in Groundhog Day).

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Memorable Quotes

• “Hot people should stop making music because they lack adversity. And we should only have ugly cars.” —Craig & Heifetz, on the dangers of “cool” in culture and football [11:03]

• “The most important part of this whole story: What does it mean for my fantasy team?” —Danny Kelly [11:26]

• “If you can get Rashee Rice around later now ... I actually don't think it's a terrible pick.” —Craig [12:29]

• “He could suck at passing and he's very likely going to, and it won’t matter.” —Danny Kelly on Justin Fields [46:36]

• “It’s soup. Like, get over it.” —Danny Hyfens on the cold soup punishment [81:55]

• “Thank you to Staff Sergeant Reckless for your service.” —Danny Hyfens [94:42]

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Sleeper Pick Summary Table

| Player | Team | Position | Why Sleepy (Summary) | Draft Range | |-------------------------|------------------|-------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------| | Kenneth Walker | Seahawks | RB | Run-heavy scheme, new OC, still highly skilled; less enthusiasm after O-line issues | End RB1–RB2 | | Chase Brown | Bengals | RB | Huge volume late 2024, little buzz, Zach Moss possible cut | ~RB15–RB20 (~3rd–4th rd) | | Justin Fields | Jets | QB | Rushing upside (cheat code); new offense; likely starting, huge fantasy floor | ~100th overall | | Calvin Ridley | Titans | WR | Forgotten team, high upside if Cam Ward delivers; post-Hopkins production spike | WR30–WR40+ | | Jacoby Myers | Raiders | WR | Not flashy, but extremely solid and poised for high-volume role | WR40 | | Tetairoa McMillan | Panthers | WR | High rookie pick, massive target share likely, WR1 upside | ~60th overall (WR40–50) | | Rhamondre Stevenson | Patriots | RB | Written off; likely lead in committee; value better than peers being drafted | ~RB40–RB45 | | Will Shipley | Eagles | RB | Saquon handcuff with three-down profile | Very late rounds | | Isaac Guerendo | 49ers | RB | Next-in-line in Shanahan’s offense if McCaffrey gets hurt | Very late rounds | | Roschon Johnson | Bears | RB | Under-the-radar Swift backup, could fill David Montgomery role | Undrafted/last rounds |

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Notable Timestamps

• [05:39-14:54] — Legal news, player suspensions, and fantasy impact
• [25:17-26:15] — Defining sleeper categories
• [26:14-46:05] — Dad nap sleepers: Walker, Brown, Fields
• [48:06-63:09] — REM sleep sleepers: Ridley, Myers, McMillan, Stevenson
• [63:12-76:35] — Deep shots & "coma" running backs
• [77:52-94:52] — Cold soup punishment, listener emails, and horse heroes

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Tone & Style

Light-hearted, irreverent, and quick-witted. The three hosts riff on both real football analysis and the absurd side of fantasy culture. The show remains accessible for newcomers, with explanations, strong opinions, and running jokes.

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For the Listeners Who Missed It

You’ll get a comprehensive insider’s guide to finding and exploiting undervalued fantasy football players for the 2025 season—plus a healthy dose of offbeat football culture, legal gossip, food-based punishment ideas, and legitimate animal valor. Draft wisely, don’t sleep on the boring picks, and maybe keep a can opener handy… just in case.

Transcript

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Hyfens]

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[Craig]

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[Craig]

That was my nickname in college.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, right. It was.

[Danny Kelly]

I was gonna say that.

[Danny Hyfens]

Greg, I was wondering. Jump in on that. The Lions are somehow down almost like six players already. Even though it's July 21st. I don't know how that's possible. Von Miller signed with Washington for 6 billion bucks. And speaking of Washington, Donald Trump said he may try to block the Washington franchise from getting their new stadium in D.C. unless they change the name of the team back to the Redskins. Which, you know, if we're being honest, you know, maybe Trump wanted to divert attention away from. Well, some. Don't worry about it. Coldplay. The concert thing happened with Coldplay. Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

This has been everywhere.

[Danny Hyfens]

The Coldplay thing happened, which I actually think may have reset the record for the social media thing that spanned all age groups and demographics in terms of everybody, people in their 80s.

[Craig]

I talked to it was my entire timeline for like 48 hours.

[Danny Hyfens]

Unbelievable. It was just that and you know, another thing happening. That was the only two things happening. TJ Watt signed a deal, a three year deal worth $41 million a year. Allegedly 41 million guaranteed per year. George Carloftis for the Chief signed a deal for 30 million per court. Will Levis, who I forgot about on the Titans Will Levis is getting shoulder surgery and is out the entire season. So Will Levis is not even be backing up Cam Ward this year. All the second rounders who were holding out are signing their contracts except for Shemar Stewart, the Bengals first rounder who's not at training camp. And the Bengals owner said the reason was quote silliness. Funniest of all, NFLPA Executive Director Lloyd Howell and NFL Ph NFLPA Chief Strategy Officer JC Tretter are both resigning, which comes after Pablo Torres podcast and ESPN had a bunch of reporting which blah blah blah blah. Malfeasance. A lot of shady dealings. But mostly Lloyd Howell expensed like $3,000 of strippers to the union even though he was making $3 million at the time.

[Craig]

We have to change our New York plans now, but I know, God ruining it for everyone.

[Danny Hyfens]

Jeez. But the most important thing of all is not only did we bring back the full intro music by popular demand because all of you screamed at us and I actually feel bullied about.

[Danny Kelly]

We folded. We folded.

[Danny Hyfens]

We didn't get to 10,000 on YouTube.

[Craig]

We're close.

[Danny Hyfens]

We're close. Please go subscribe to our YouTube channel. We're over 8K but we, we went to the lab. We feel bad, frankly. We feel bad that we changed the intro music, which frankly is the best part of the podcast. It's really all downhill once we start speaking. But we now have the intro. If you haven't watched it, it's on Spotify. You can watch it. YouTube, you can watch the intro. I'm not going to lie, it's pretty great. Shout out John Richter who who made.

[Craig]

Yeah, we have a new intro graphic as well which kind of references the 90s era, the early O Screensaver era. And it's great.

[Danny Kelly]

So thank in the background of parties.

[Danny Hyfens]

We were basically like, what's the most epic thing you can see on a screen? And we were like honestly, the most electric I've ever felt in my entire life is when the little screen saver trying to get it go right to the corner.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

And we're like that should be it. And we were joking. We're like, what if we made it.

[Danny Kelly]

That everyone's, like, cheering for it to hit the corner.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. So, you know, thrilled about that. But, yeah. So a lot has happened. Shout out to the Zack Snyder truth are people who basically got us to bring the full intro music back. Thank you. I want to go through some of the news I just listed. I want to. We should probably start with the receivers, right? Rashid Rice and Jordan Addison, who both just, you know, should drive less, frankly.

[Craig]

Uber.

[Danny Kelly]

Uber. Uber.

[Danny Hyfens]

Way Uber.

[Danny Kelly]

Lyft, even.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, do whatever. Take a call. Taxis.

[Danny Kelly]

Taxis are still around.

[Danny Hyfens]

Taxi still exists. So you're an NFL player. You're an athlete, Honestly. Well, dude, especially the Jordan Addison one. He's like. He's like. It was. Jordan Addison's case goes back to. He was in Los Angeles for the Netflix premiere of Receiver last year, and he went to usc. So obviously he knows people in Los Angeles. And Jordan Addison, I mean, this is a cop. An LA cop basically found Jordan Addison asleep at his white Rolls Royce in the middle of a road. Like, he's just asleep in the road. I don't mean tough.

[Danny Kelly]

Look, that's. That's tough.

[Danny Hyfens]

It is a tough, but it's kind of funny. Like, it's just reckless in a car. Ye. So it's the actual charge. I guess we'll start with Addison here. The actual charge is it's reckless driving with the involvement of alcohol, which I guess in the legal world they just call wet reckless, which is basically. They can't prove he did a dui, but they also can't really accept the fact that there's no alcohol involved.

[Craig]

The insult of alcohol sounds kind of like when Rogers was like, I've been immunized.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Involvement of alcohol.

[Craig]

Craig, did you drink tonight? I'm like, I was involved with alcohol. Yeah, there's involvement.

[Danny Hyfens]

It's. It's unbelievable. So, yeah. Shout out. First of all, I want to shout out to Drew Davenport, who works at football. Guys. He's a defense attorney who does fantasy football stuff as well. And I'm not gonna lie, he's by far the best person at figuring out the legal cases for these people, especially Rashid Rice is actually very complicated. It's hard to figure out how the court system works. And so he's the best person at figuring how that translates from one opaque legal system to another one, which is the NFL conduct policy. So I'm going to basically summarize Drew Davenport has. Has said about this, but he's the best person on this subject. So for Jordan Addison, long story short, the actual legal outcome is 12 months of probation, $390 fine, which I think that's such a funny number. Like just it, I don't know. You can't get 400 bucks out of George Addison. 390, where does that come from? That's unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

It should be way more than that.

[Danny Hyfens]

I, I had a bail a friend at a jail once and they charged me $68.25 and I was just like, you could round up like. Yeah, they had to do it in cash. Like we had to have the quarter.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't. Who's got a quarter?

[Danny Hyfens]

Who has a quarter? I know it's, it's just Route 3 90s. Unbelievable. But anyway, in terms of the actual season, because Jordan Addison and Rashid Rice, I think we thought these cases would get pushed and then they both were settled in a way that the Jordan Addison, Rashid Rice would probably get suspended this year. So for Jordan Addison, long story short, it's probably going to be a three game suspension with the chance to reduce it to a two game suspension if he's very, very, very, very, very sorry. So that is basically so Jordan Addison. I think probably two to three games is the most likely outcome. Which, you know, we will dock them probably like around, you know, he's definitely going to miss three games. That is, it's not a ton, but it is like, you know, almost a month. So Jordan and then Rasheed Rice is. The situation's a little different. And again, he was going 119 miles an hour in a Lamborghini SUV and then a lot. There was a massive crash and people have probably seen videos of it, but Rasheed Rice was sentenced to 30 days of jail time, five year probation. He can serve the 30 days in jail at any period. Over a five year period. He could just do 30 days, which is, it's kind of funny. Think what month would you go to jail for over the next five years but January.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Well, what if he's in the playoffs?

[Craig]

February.

[Danny Kelly]

I'd say for March. May. Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Well, May's a nice month.

[Craig]

No, March, sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Depends where you live.

[Craig]

Can I just say Lamborghini suv. Kind of an ick.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? Right. Well, I had the same thought.

[Craig]

Craig, lose the suv. Just Lamborghini.

[Danny Hyfens]

Lamborghini. He also Jordan Addison the year before that, 2023 was also going. I want to make sure I get this right. Jordan Addison was going. He also had a Lamborghini. He was going 140 and a 55.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Hyfens]

And then Rashid Rice had the Lamborghini SUV.

[Craig]

It's like, yeah, the problem I, I see A common denominator here. We need to get rid of Lamborghinis.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, that's two coolest. Too fucking cool.

[Craig]

Just think, if there were only minivans, would people really be speeding? Stop making cool cars.

[Danny Kelly]

Nothing more than four cylinders.

[Craig]

No more cool cars. They all look like soccer mom vans. That's great.

[Danny Hyfens]

This goes to your best recent take, which is hot. People should stop making music because they have the adversity.

[Craig]

They have more to say.

[Danny Hyfens]

And we should only have ugly cars.

[Craig]

Ugly cars with ugly people singing in them.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, that's the dream. And then see it. So Rishi Rice again, shout out to Davenport, who's the best person on this? It sounds like he'll be suspended three to four games with a chance that it's two games and a chance it's five or six. But Rashee Rice is probably three to four. Jordan Addison's probably two or three. Don't go 140 and a 55. Don't drink and drive. Don't do any of those things for fantasy purposes, which is always the most awkward pivot of all.

[Danny Kelly]

Most importantly, what does it mean for a fantasy team?

[Danny Hyfens]

Most importantly, what does it mean for where I should draft Rasheed Rice? Dk, how does this news impact where you want to take Rasheed Rice again? The most important part of this whole.

[Danny Kelly]

Story, it pushes it down a little sick. I mean, I think he'd been gassed up pretty high in drafts lately, and I. I hadn't been following like the actual legal proceedings super closely, but this felt like one of those Supreme Court rulings that comes on like Friday at 7pm Pacific.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Shadow docket. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

You're like, what? Where'd this come from? I didn't even know they were talking about it. Some judge just decided to like, open up that book and read it and. Ah, we'll give them 30 days anyway. Yeah, I think this pushes him down slightly, but it's not, you know, it's not a super long term suspension. So it's not. I don't think it's going to make like that huge of a difference. But yeah, I would push him down because he was getting pushed up into like middle of the second round even. How do you guys react to this?

[Craig]

I would say, honestly, I. I think this almost makes him. This is kind of funny, but it's like I'm like I'm kind of more into drafting him now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Because I think that kind of like.

[Danny Kelly]

Make money off of this when you're.

[Craig]

In a draft with your. With Your friends and you see the S U S p for suspended. That sticker shock hits really hard. And when somebody misses the first two to four games of the season, those are like the least important periods of the fantasy season. Like, that is there's no buys. Everyone's in theory the healthiest. They will be. So, like, you have a lot of options to replace Rasheed Rice or Jordan Addison in that span. If he were to miss December, that's a completely different story. But I'm kind of like, if you can get Rasheed Rice around later now, put in a couple of guys you drafted a little bit later to replace him in the three to four weeks he's out. I actually don't think it's a terrible pick.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

And I think we'll probably have a better idea, honestly. It's funny because it's July 21st. I think for some of the guys we're going to talk about, we're going to have more information, more information just about camp battles, health, all this stuff as we get closer. But these situations, the suspensions really might come down the Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday before the season begins. So we really. You might actually draft without knowing the exact length of the suspensions. But yeah, I think Craig's right. You know, you look at this charge that Rashi Rice pled guilty to collision involving serious bodily injury and you're like, gotta make money off this. Right.

[Craig]

I actually came away more impressed.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Yeah. So. But no, I agree. Overall, I think Rashi Rice, I'm torn because on one hand he is coming off that tough knee injury.

[Craig]

He bad. My brain also jumped to like another month to rest the knee. I did cross my mind.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Craig]

It crossed my mind. Just for fantasy only. Again, the point of this show is to give fantasy advice. That is what ran through my head. Is he going to be. Is he going to be in jail that month? Rashee Rice?

[Danny Hyfens]

No, because he can pick which 30.

[Danny Kelly]

Day period he wants to be serving as NFL.

[Danny Hyfens]

Suspense. Yeah.

[Craig]

You can't double dip that.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I can't double dip.

[Danny Hyfens]

Well, no, no, the Chiefs. No, no, the Chiefs because they, they kept pushing the Rasheed Rice legal case. And the NFL doesn't settle anything till the legal case isn't done.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Hyfens]

Or they're like the criminal proceedings at least. And when Rashida tours where he didn't.

[Craig]

Right. They were like suspended.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. No, the Chiefs were like, do you want to do the suspension now? The NFL was like, are you kidding me? Get out.

[Danny Kelly]

Just asking.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, that's honestly what happened.

[Craig]

They're like, hey, our job is to win football games. All right? Yeah, that's it.

[Danny Hyfens]

So. Okay. And then Jordan Addison, I think you bumped down half a round or whatever. I mean, you know, three games. It's like, you know, it doesn't really change what you think about Jordan Addison, but also, you know, it's three games.

[Danny Kelly]

So this is neither here nor there. But I always kind of find it funny that you get scheduled to go serve jail time. Like, I could go serve jail time in any time in the next five years. That's very weird to me.

[Craig]

I know.

[Danny Hyfens]

How do you let them.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe we shouldn't go down that road. But.

[Craig]

Wandering down a dark road here.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, I know. Jeez.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's not open up Pandora's box on the American legal system. But, yeah, I think it's just like. I think I'll go during spring break of my junior year or whatever. It's just, like, bizarre. Like, you don't. Why don't they just. I guess it's because of overcrowding, which, again, let's not go down that road. But.

[Craig]

No, let's do it.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's solve this right here.

[Craig]

You know what? Fuck sleepers.

[Danny Kelly]

We're going to get into this anyway. That's. That's enough. We can continue.

[Craig]

Top six biggest qualms with the American legal system if it's go.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, man, that's a great call. You know, I was told that if I wanted to get a jury duty, you just say that, you know, you don't believe in testimony as a concept, so.

[Craig]

Interesting. I like that. My dad's a cop, so I feel like I don't usually have a problem with that.

[Danny Hyfens]

I always do that.

[Danny Kelly]

What with getting in trouble.

[Craig]

No jury duty. They never. They don't want sons of cops.

[Danny Kelly]

Ah, right, right, right. Biased.

[Danny Hyfens]

We should keep going down this road. We're doing great. We're doing fantastic.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm sorry, everyone.

[Danny Hyfens]

Everyone listening is like, this is so. This is going so well. Other people where it's going really, really poorly. The Detroit Lions. I can't believe the Lions season has started this way. So.

[Danny Kelly]

They'll be fine, right?

[Danny Hyfens]

Dude, you know what's so funny? David Montgomery, the running back, said that this is like, their year of reckoning. He was like, it's nice to get close, but, like, you can't get used to getting close. Like, this is our year of reckoning. It's now or never. And then immediately, everyone's hurt already. And all the important players from last year. Alex Anzalone is the linebacker who's like the communication guy on defense. Aleem McNeil at defensive tackle is their second best D lineman, I think was expected to not start the year in week one. Dan Campbell, only honest coach. But then Taylor Decker's a tackle and I think even for fantasy purposes, you're now talking about Penny Sewell who's like probably the best right tackle in the NFL at worst is the second best after Lane Johnson. But then you have Taylor Decker, sorry, Taylor Decker, who, I mean it sounds like he won't be 100%, at least for the beginning of the season, if he plays in the beginning of the season. And now you have a left guard that's going from Kevin Zeitler to Christian Mahogany who we thought was made up person. You have a center going from Frank Ragnow who's like a grizzled NFL vet to like a rookie and Tate Ratledge or someone else who'll play center. And then you have your right guard, Graham Class, who fine. He's the fine one of the group. Kind of like the Eagles right guards, the fine one of the group. And suddenly the Lions offensive line, you're looking at it and you're like, damn, this went from a great unit to is this like the Niners where it's Trent Williams one great tackle and like four guys who are fine. Which really changes how you look at the Lions, especially with the seven coaches that have departed, like 100%.

[Craig]

I mean, losing seven coaches, your offense and defensive coordinator, you have a six round draft pick and a rookie on the offensive line now it's, you know, you're not starting off the best.

[Danny Hyfens]

Dk does this give you any pause about Jameer Gibbs as a boat? Like you're. Some people have Jameer Gibbs number one, smart people who I respect if Jacobs number one. And if again the week one test, if the Lions can't run the ball immediately and you're like, oh yeah, right. This was the absolute strength identity of their team and it's not cool anymore.

[Craig]

Well, is it more likely that in week four you look back and go, obviously the Lions were going to be good, they're the Lions, the institute, it's the Lions. Or you're going to be like, obviously they were going to be bad. Their whole offensive line is different and every coach left.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean it feels closer to the second one. But I would say it gives me a slight amount of pause. But you know, Jameer Gibbs is still going to be super explosive when he gets the opportunity. And if he's not, if they're not Running the ball well, then he's probably going to have a better chance at catching more passes because they'll go more pass heavy.

[Danny Hyfens]

Cause you're a socialism PPR scoring. It's, it's catching a pass to losing nine yards.

[Danny Kelly]

Because I love PP alone. I'm the only one that's in favor of half PPR and ppr. Um, but yeah, I think it, you know, I think he'll figure out ways to get his, his points and it won't be that, that big of a deal. It won't be like the type of thing that pushes him really far down the list. What's more important is what is the team going to do with David Montgomery versus Jameer Gibbs? Like, is, is it going to be a 50, 50 split? Is Jimmy Gibbs going to slowly start to get more of the workload and kind of like take over that backfield? And I think that's more important when it comes to Gibbs. But there's a lot of. I think he is for being the number one overall pick or some people's number one overall pick. Like, he has kind of like a wide range of outcomes. Probably.

[Danny Hyfens]

Gibson and Monroe are still first rounders. And again, we have like our rankings coming out this week@fantasy football.theo.com, we're updating them and we have a whole bunch of updates coming to fantasy football.thee.com so check that out. That's going to be. We're going to have a bunch of a revamped ranking system@fantasy football.deru.com which are really excited about. And you'll see where we have Gibbs and Amon Ra when that goes live. I think the other Lions, you know, Sam Laporte, I'm not as excited about like David Montgomery, who I love as a human being, and I just think he's like such a fun player to watch, you know, it's just. I'm a little, I'm a little nervous. Although, again, if the Lions defense is banged up again, they're going to be throwing the ball in all these shootouts anyway. So maybe it's going to work out fine. Uh, the last thing I want to do before we get to our sleepers here is just briefly touch on this NFLPA story where basically Pablo Torre had a bunch of reporting and then ESPN followed up and just it was kind of like a one, two punch and they just kind of unraveled the NFLPA in like two weeks. And we don't have to go into all of it, but there was just basically Lloyd Howell, who's the basically the head of the nflpa, had a bunch of shady dealings. There was an FBI investigation which was kind of like somehow underrated and all this. There was just weird stuff about he's signing NDAs with the NFL. There's all this stuff going on. But honestly, the funniest part is he had a car wait for him outside the largest strip club in America in Fort Lauderdale for. And they paid hundred dollars, eight hundred dollars for car to wait out, wait for him. He went from the airport to the place, the car sat there till six in the morning, drove him home. First of all, just get an Uber to drop you off and call an Uber when Why would you have the car wait for six hours?

[Danny Kelly]

Strip club being drunk with power and money.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Is he did all that. And. And the best part is he reported it all. He sent these like, expense reports into the NFL. He like, wasn't trying to like, hide anything. He's like, yeah, these are. We went to the strip club.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, the quote. Yes, the quote of what the expense report was. And the Other one was 2, 500 at Magic City in Atlanta, which is, I think the most famous strip club in America. And the expense, he had someone else expense it because guess what? When Lloyd Howell was at Booz Allen Hamilton, he got in trouble for expensing strip clubs.

[Danny Kelly]

Just can't stop going to strip clubs.

[Danny Hyfens]

So he had another person submit the receipts and it was get rid of Lamborghinis.

[Craig]

Get rid of strip clubs.

[Danny Hyfens]

Well, no, just don't expense them to your job unless you're in a strip club industry. So the expense was filed under player engagement event to support and grow our union. Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Which is again, thanks a lot, dude. Now we have to change our entire New York plan.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. He it up for. We had a good thing going.

[Craig]

We were trying to promote ringer fantasy football show union.

[Danny Hyfens]

The other thing was the 2511 in Miami. The $2500 they expensed was just cash withdrawals from an ATM. Itemized, it was 25 $76 of just cash at a at.

[Danny Kelly]

Again, it's for Magic City pinball machines and whatnot.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, exactly.

[Craig]

I would love it if there was like some giant leak of the most ridiculous expenses in like, corporate business history.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, my God.

[Craig]

You know, like, there's some great ones in Hollywood. There's like agents, like, who have to expense crazy shit that they're. That their clients do. I would love to know that stuff.

[Danny Hyfens]

Anything off the dome you can actually share. That's a great one though.

[Craig]

We had a manager on the town a while ago who used to work at wme, and he said he accidentally paid for, like, an entire night's worth of drinks at this bar with, like, everybody. It was, like, hundreds of people, and it was, like, $200,000 that he got, like, screwed with, and it was his whole thing. And WB ended up paying for him and, like, covered it for him, but he said it was, like, the scariest week of his life, and he, like. Yeah. So there's. I can't. That's probably nothing. Like, there are probably millions and millions of dollars of expenses that happen every single week from crazy celebrities.

[Danny Hyfens]

When Tom Cruise sends those 3D prints of your face to your house as a cake, like, that's probably going to be expensed. He's not paying for that.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's see. He's using Scientology labor for free, which could be.

[Danny Hyfens]

I actually preferred when we were talking about the legal system.

[Danny Kelly]

Sea Org labor. Yeah.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

I was more comfortable talking about the jails. About Scientology.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig]

Like, a red dot just appears. Nothing going on here.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yep. All right. And now we have a really good show where we won't talk about Tom Cruise anymore. That was me hostage video. Okay. We should probably talk about sleepers, because it's in the channel, and we're gonna get murdered sleepers.

[Danny Kelly]

AKA Wet Reckless, people.

[Danny Hyfens]

Wet Reckless.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry, I had.

[Danny Hyfens]

Wet Reckless is unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

Wet Reckless.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

I know my fantasy team name now.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Jordan Wet Reckless. Addison.

[Craig]

He's on the loose. He's wet, and he's reckless. Do people say let's get wet to refer to drinking? That's a thing, right?

[Danny Hyfens]

I think it's. I'm gonna Google it. Connotation.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm Googling it.

[Danny Hyfens]

Ah, Careful. It means something.

[Danny Kelly]

Raymond Lamb's third album from 2009.

[Craig]

Of course.

[Danny Hyfens]

I don't. I don't like where this is going. We're, like, skating on the third.

[Craig]

Go to page two of Google. What's on that?

[Danny Hyfens]

Remember when Google had pages?

[Danny Kelly]

There's a lot of songs called let's Get Wet, Craig, so I think you're probably onto something here.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Although it might mean something sexual also.

[Craig]

That's certainly possible.

[Danny Hyfens]

What the fuck? Are you guys. Yeah, of course it does. What? Have you ever listened to a Lil Wayne song?

[Danny Kelly]

Have you ever actually looked at the lyrics?

[Danny Hyfens]

All right, anyway, I'm horrified by what's developing here. Okay. Let's talk about sleepers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

So I think that. Sleepers. It's funny to think that this is controversial. Originally, when we were Playing the episode, I was like, people get mad about sleepers. Now we have like five other things people get mad about on the show. But I think sleepers. Sometimes you say sleepers and people are like, oh yeah. Guys who are going lower than they want that are going. Guys who will outperform the draft slot, that's a sleeper. And some people are like the third string running back on the 49ers or anyone more mainstream than that doesn't count as a sleeper. So we're, we have just categorized different kinds of sleepers. So the lighter, you know, we're some light sleepers, we have some hardcore sleepers. We're gonna go categories of sleep here. And so if you think that the first group of guys we're talking about are too mainstream, I'm sorry, but we're gonna get to like the weird ass guys later. So starting there with some mainstream, these are gonna be like dad nap sleepers. Light, light sleep. You know, dk, you're the expert in.

[Danny Kelly]

The dad barely ever child noticed you fel.

[Danny Hyfens]

Exactly.

[Craig]

In the lazy boy chair. Hands on the belly, TV on.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Glass in hand.

[Craig]

Never fall, never, never spills a light snore.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Dk, who's your dad nap sleeper.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm going back to the well with Kenneth Walker. You know, the old goofy meme. I'll fucking do it again. I'm gonna fucking do it again with Kenneth Walker this year.

[Craig]

I don't know that meme, but I.

[Danny Hyfens]

Don'T know that meme either.

[Danny Kelly]

You don't know that one? I'll fucking do it again.

[Danny Hyfens]

I actually, yeah, I do actually.

[Danny Kelly]

Go look it up. Anyway, I still think Ken Walker, just in terms of pure running talent, one of the best running backs in the NFL. Last year he was 4th in PFF rush grade, 12th in PFF receiving grade, which I think is surprising to some people. He was pretty good in the passing game. The Seahawks last year were very pass heavy. They were one of the like pass rate over expectation, one of the highest in the league. And so I think going into this next year, Seahawks are basically signaling to the rest of the league that they are going to be a run heavy team. Everything they've done over the offseason, going and getting Clint Kubiak switching to the wide zone scheme, which by the way, according to Ryan Heath at fantasy points, Walker is much better in the wide zone scheme compared to gap scheme stuff. So that could be a good boost for him as well. But Seahawks I think are going to be much more run heavy, much more balanced. Kenneth Walker you know, basically it just comes down to can he stay healthy? And I think that you could say that about like 75% of the running backs in the NFL. So I'm just going to go and have faith in Kenneth Walker to stay healthy this year finally. I just think he's so good, such an explosive guy. So he breaks so many tackles. And I think the Seahawks are going to put a lot on him. Kubiak has already been quoted as saying, we're going to ask a lot of them this year. And so I don't know, I'm just back in on Walker again. Even though, you know, obviously the Seahawks changed a lot in offense this year.

[Craig]

He's always a guy who passes the eye test. Whenever you watch Kenneth Walker when he's having the right game, like when he's on and he's healthy and he's getting 20 touches, he genuinely looks like one of the best 10 running backs in the league. So much of this year, I feel like is defined by these new offensive coordinator gurus switching teams. And Kubia going to Seattle is a great one that's kind of flying under the radar because there's obviously like the Liam Cohen and the Ben Johnson's of the world. Even like no one's really talking about Kellen Moore even in New Orleans, but I think Kubiak going here is a great one. Dk. And yeah, I mean, I've always been in on. On Kenneth Walker, but you're right, it's mostly a product of him just like not being on the field. And then Zach Charbonnet fills in and is like usually a decent backup for fantasy just by. By sheer volume.

[Danny Kelly]

Volume, yeah.

[Craig]

But. But Kenneth Walker is clearly the more talented back.

[Danny Hyfens]

I totally agree. I. I agree with Craig. Your point too about just the, the coaches being one of the biggest stories of the off season. And one of the reasons people aren't talking about Kellen Moore probably going from the Eagles offense to the Saints head coaching job is the Eagles are the Lamborghini. Pretty easy to make that thing go really fast. And then now he's got the Saints, he's got a minivan. You know, that's not the most talented group of people in New Orleans. But like the flip side is that is what Kubiak's doing, right? Going from New Orleans to Seattle. Like, I know the Seatt offensive line, it's weird because I feel like two or three years ago the Seattle offensive line was considered actually really talented and now it's considered decrepit's too mean. But like it's. So the truth is it's probably somewhere in the middle. Like I think Seattle. And this isn't a dig, but it's capable being. It should be an average offensive line.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, going into last year, it was ranked one of the worst in the NFL. And that kind of bore out. It was not very good. They had a bunch of injuries. They were rotating guys in and out, like during games. Like, that's never.

[Danny Hyfens]

Which is always a bad. Because that means they thought of every other option.

[Danny Kelly]

This is like horrific. You want continuity on the offensive line because everybody's working together. That among like at any position in the NFL, like the offensive line has to be communicating and working together. If you have one guy going the wrong direction or like doing slightly the wrong thing, it can up the whole thing. And so. And that's part of the reason, honestly, that we saw Kenneth Walker get hit behind the line so much last year. If you go and look at some of. Josh Norris was posting videos of this the other day on, on X, but basically just he was doing superhuman things just to try and get past the line of scrimmage, you know what I mean? And I, and I'm hoping the Seahawks, with the, with the investments they've made on the offensive line, Gray Zabel in the first round, they've had some other guys that they've drafted over the last few years that could make a jump. Maybe like Hyphet said, maybe this will be somewhere in the middle. Like that would be great. But right now, you know, obviously that's kind of a bit of a stretch and that's a projection because based on what we know, they're not very good.

[Danny Hyfens]

So where should we put Ken Walker in rankings? Because again, we're kind of going to update him this week. And again, if you look at running back tears, I think, you know, I, I don't want to get too lost in it, but you know, there's like Saquon at the top. There's like Saquon, Bijan Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, and then there's, you know, there's like Derek Henry, Devon Achan, like Ashton Genty and Christian McCaffrey. And then you've got like John Taylor, Buck Irving, Josh Jacobs, you know that Chase Brown, that kind of group. And then, you know, it's like, is Ken Walker in that group with like that those guys in Breeze hall? Or is Ken Walker closer to like Alvin Kamara and some of those older guys? And I do think Ken Walker to me, is the last guy in that last Group with the Chase Browns. The breeze halls because again, I keep joking about the week one test, but how much of week one would you have to see where you're like, oh my God, Seattle can run the ball.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

And Ken Walker has like a hundred yards at halftime and you're like, oh my God, I passed on Ken Walker four times and you feel really dumb. So that is why I like this one. DK is I. It's very easy for me to see the situation where it works, but even if there isn't magic with the Seahawks offensive line, you're still getting a starting running back.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? Right. And honestly, if you feel scared about it, just draft Jack, Zach Charbonnet a little later in the draft and you'll be fine.

[Danny Hyfens]

Craig, who's, who's your dad?

[Craig]

Nap sleeper kind of sticking in the same area. Chase Brown, the running back in the Bengals is a guy who I think in a different, I think five years ago Chase Brown might have been like a fringe first rounder in drafts.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig]

And now I think the narrative around kind of like who he is on the Bengals and like his draft profile, a lot of that stuff I think is hurting him, which is fine. This, he's a third year guy, he's a fifth round pick and he exploded last year when Zach Moss went down. Basically they were splitting time. Although before Zach Moss got hurt, Chase Brown was already kind of starting to take over a little bit. Zach Moss gets a neck injury in week eight, then it's Chase Brown's show from week nine on. Over that stretch, week nine to week 17, he was the RB5. He was second in touches behind only Saquon. He was getting 23 touches a game. He was playing 85% of snaps like he was one of the premier running backs in fantasy football over the second half of the season. And I don't know, it's like, I think it's a little hard for me to see why that won't just happen again. Dk, you mentioned Ryan Heath over at Fantasy Points Data. He. I was reading one of his articles. He was saying that Chase Brown averaged the most expected fantasy points per game of any running back in Fantasy Points Data history over the second half of last year.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, they were just feeding him.

[Craig]

Yeah, feeding him in the passing game, in the running game. Only Alvin Camara has averaged more targets per game over the past two seasons than what Chase Brown did in the second half of last year. And he's a smaller guy. You know, again, he was a fifth round pick. People are like, oh, you know, can he handle the workload? Like, that's usually a concern. Jace Brown at Illinois kind of was a guy who could do it. He had 350 touches in 20, 22 in college. Zach Moss might get cut. They restructured his contract. They have Samaj P. Ryan and they have a rookie in Taj Brooks who was a sixth round pick. And so I'm kind of like, this is like the least sexy running back you can pick that might just have the workload of all of the sexy running backs. And he's on one of the highest scoring offenses in the league. The only downside is that he's Chase Brown and he's a fifth rounder. And like, I don't know, maybe he's not actually that good.

[Danny Hyfens]

I, I totally agree. I think Chase Brown's kind of like the new Kyron Williams where it's like, well, we saw it, but do we believe it? Because. And it's also, it's just a function of playing time. Like, I can't stress that enough of. Did my voice just crack there? I can't stress it enough. But the guys that are usually elite that you end up taking in the top five, unless it's Alvin Camara 2017, where he's scoring a touchdown every single game, literally. And Alvin Camara scored a touch, I think 50 touchdowns in the first 50 games. Unless you're that efficient, you are playing 80% of the snaps or 75% minimum. And the elite guys are like Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, 95% plus psychopaths who tell their coaches when they ask to get off the field, they're like, no, I will not leave the field right now. Like a pitcher sending the manager back. Like, I'm not coming out of the game. That's how you get that way. And it's. And there's like four of them a year. Like, even Derrick Henry isn't necessarily playing 90% of the steps. And so Chase Brown just joined that group. And that was the shock of Kyron Williams. He's not the most talented guy, he's the most efficient guy. But Kyro Williams was playing like 94% of the snaps a couple of years ago. And so Chase Brown, the question to me is, will he be that this year? My knee jerk reaction was, of course not like my knee jerk. Like coming to the season, everyone's ranking Chase Brown all high and stuff. And I'm like, they're going to go back to 60, 40. Chase Brown will be the 60, Zach Moss will be the 40. They don't want to play that way. They had to play that way. And the closer I get and I want to see this breakdown in training camp and I'm like, I think I might be wrong. Like, I think Chase Brown actually is going to get maybe not 95% like he. I mean, was it week December 22nd, the over the Browns. He played 98.2% of the snap. So he came out for one play.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's crazy. That won't. But again, I do think he actually will be an 85% snap guy. I want to see how August goes, which. To your point, Greg? Yeah. Chase Brown might have. Like, he probably would have been ranked like 13th four years ago.

[Craig]

Yeah. And like. And that receivers are much more inflated now in drafts. Running backs are kind of getting pushed down, which I think is why he's a little bit lower. His name brand is not popular at all. But. But I don't know. People speak. I mean, Burrow has spoken very highly of him. The offensive coordinator in Cincinnati, Dan Pitcher, just said he's going to be a focal point of the offense. I'm just kind of like, I don't know.

[Danny Hyfens]

Dan Pitcher.

[Craig]

Dan Pitcher. I'm kind of just like, why wouldn't he be?

[Danny Hyfens]

I think that's a good call. And also it's a classic thing that always happens, which is guys who aren't that famous people are a little afraid.

[Craig]

To take like not only famous and he's a fifth rounder and he's a boring name.

[Danny Hyfens]

It's all those overlapping things. Bengals, which are like, it's sexy, but like, it's. Frankly, the person who had Chase Brown last year knows how good he is, but unless you had him in a different league, you probably don't. And the other thing is, it's scary to take Chase Brown over T. Higgins if you're just kind of casually, you know, I mean, you're gonna take the Bengals offense and T. Higgins is there and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna take Chase Brown. If you don't know much about Chase Brown, like, that's hard to do.

[Craig]

Yeah. And just like, I don't know if you're staring at like other running backs or other famous people. Like, I don't know, even like Breeze Hall, Devon. Like, yeah, it's just hard to select Chase Brown over Tyree Kill.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, Tyree Kill. George Kittle, Devonte Adams, Mike Evans are there. And you're like, I'm gonna take Chase Brown. But you're right. Like, that's how Chase Brown falls. And then you're like, oh my God, I got Chase Brown in the fourth round. Which is probably not a thing in like, you know, best ball. That's probably not going to happen. But like, yeah, people don't know Chase Brown is, I think, I think this is a really good one. And again, I know that on one hand we're talking about a top 30 player, but this to me is the definition of this is the high end of a sleeper because people don't know who the fuck Chase Brown is still in home.

[Craig]

Like, you're getting a guy who is a top five running back in like the third round.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, I like that again. And well, I think this is worth checking in on August to see just to, to confirm whether we still think he's going to get, you know, five out of every six plays, because that's all it takes.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think my, my big picture take is I agree with everything you guys are saying. I'm still just like, I just don't know if I fully believe that they're going to utilize him at that rate. Again.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's when you play 60%, you feel.

[Danny Kelly]

Because is that. Is that the optimal way to do it? Maybe in their minds it is. But the reason most teams don't do it is because you worry about guys getting hurt and wearing down as the season goes on. And so coaches are in a lot.

[Craig]

Of cases, but they did not bring in anybody to like really help supplement that. I mean, Moss, I mean, they did.

[Danny Kelly]

Draft a guy, but he was late.

[Danny Hyfens]

Rounder and but dk, I had the same reaction. And then you know what I remembered? Who is the most old school team in the entire league in every way?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know who.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think it's the Cincinnati Bengals.

[Danny Kelly]

You think they're the most old school, 100% the guy.

[Danny Hyfens]

The reason the Bengals are so old school, one, they're considered cheap. But it's because they don't have a billionaire family fortune quote, unquote. Well, they're considered cheap, but it's because the guy who started the Bengals was Paul Brown. That's why the Cleveland Browns are named the Browns is Paul Brown coached him and then they booted him. So he started his own team, the Cincinnati Bengals. Paul Brown was Belichick before Belichick. Paul Brown invented the fucking playbook. Like Paul Brown invented the huddle and like, and like calling plays and stuff. And so Paul Brown is like the most old school football Bill. Bill Belichick's favorite coach is Paul Brown. So the guy owns The Bengals is the grand. Is the son.

[Danny Kelly]

He's related to Chase Brown.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, he's related Chase Brown. Yeah. But no, he's the son of the most old school coach that's ever lived. And so they're. That they have like eight scouts or something because they just think a small, motivated group of people is better than a 20. They think 20 scouts will get lazy. So they have like eight. Like, they're just old school.

[Danny Kelly]

I heard you're not wrong with that. I heard Rich Rebar talking about this the other day, I think, and it was. It really hit home with me. And we should do a point of ranking of coaches who can't help themselves. And it's like Shanahan McVeigh, it's the coaches that when the chips are down, like, they don't trust anyone else. You know what I mean? And we have to figure out, I think over the next couple of months or next couple of weeks, I should say, how much does Zach Taylor trust any of these other running backs whatsoever? You know what I mean? Because if he doesn't, and odds are maybe he doesn't, then we're talking about like a huge, huge workload for, For Chase Brown. I think the, the one thing that's still kind of like sticking in the back of my mind is they brought back Zach Moss. I think there is, you know, like, the Coach Peak index has been talking about how, like, they're barely mentioning him and Zach Moss, and they're barely. And they're talking about Zach Moss after, like, smajp, Ryan, Todd Brooks, things like that. So that would be like a clue that maybe Zach Moss is just not in their plans this year.

[Craig]

They could save $3 million by releasing.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig]

And again, they restructured his contract. He's coming off a neck injury.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. So if, if Zach Moss leaves, then I'm like, pretty convinced. And maybe the edge is just like assuming Zach Moss is not going to be here. And that could be the case. But if Zach Moss is on the team to start the year, that makes me a little worried because last year, remember, like, he was way out snapping Chase Brown while Chase Brown kind of like learned the offense and stuff, and it was like a trust thing.

[Craig]

But that was changing the three weeks before Moss went down. Zach Moss or Chase Brown was getting 57% of the teams rushing and Zach Moss is only getting 26.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. My point is just like the trust factor, like, if the coaches trust Zach Moss to, like, be in at certain times, then that's going to hurt Chase Brown. I'm not saying that Zach Moss is going to be the starter or anything like that. I'm just saying to me, it's like we got to figure out how much Zach Taylor can't help himself.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think that they I was intrigued that Dan Pitcher told Ben Baby DSP in last December. They said the most consistent players in the Bengals offense are Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and Chase Brown. However, dk, you also, I think last year called Zach Moss fantasy. You called him glitter. Like he never really goes away.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

So we'll see what happens.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know if I said that, but I like glitter.

[Danny Hyfens]

I don't know. I think you said it. Maybe it was me. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I'll take credit for it because that's good.

[Danny Hyfens]

Okay, so we like, basically we think Chase Brown as a top 30 player is pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

I think ultimately, yeah, I'm bullish on him, too. Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

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[Craig]

I think it being 2022 is important because I think Justin Fields only playing six games last year and being good. So I, like, I had him on my fantasy team last year. I was aware that he was good in the same way. Hi, Viz, you mentioned, like, people who didn't have Chase Brown didn't think about Chase Brown, didn't realize that Chase Brown was good. I kind of think it's the same thing with Fields a little bit where like he played six season, six games, then got benched and now he's on the Jets. Like, you want to talk about, like stinky sticker value, like the name Justin Fields in general, it's just like Justin Fields equals bad quarterback. And now he's on the Jets. If you are in a home league with friends, family, whatever, and you see Justin Fields, nyj, I think a lot of people are going to be like, I'm good. Yeah, you like sneaking up around or maybe you don't even have to. And taking Justin Fields. I do think that 2022 season, which at this point three years ago is like borderline. I feel pretty confident that if he plays 17 games, that's going to happen. He's got a good offensive line. There's no real backup threat. Like, I completely agree.

[Danny Hyfens]

It's just hard for me to imagine the guys going around Justin Fields are like, you know, Tucker Kraft on the Packers, Tyrone Tracy on the Giants. It's just so hard for me to imagine the reason you won your league being like, well, I drafted Tyrone Tracy, 97th. Like, that's hard for me to envision that world. But it's so Justin Fields being like, yeah, you know, you know, you know, I had Fields and you're like, yeah, that gets you halfway there. It's. It's not hard to imagine that, especially because it is so easy to just get a pocket passer to pair with him. And I feel that way so strongly. You get Fields and if you're worried about, get Jordan Love, two rounds later, you get Trevor Lawrence. You get out C.J. stroud. Like, you can get Justin Herbert. Like, you just pair him with like a normal pocket pass or Geno Smith you could pair him with. And so I think that. And you know, you have your thunder lightning. Fields is your crazy upside. You get a pocket pass or a field sucks. And I, it's so easy to do. So the Fields is my I, It's. I want him mostly everywhere that isn't thinking about it.

[Danny Kelly]

He's kind of the poster child of the Kamani code right now in terms of. That's the rich rebar invented that years ago and like just the cheat code that is quarterback rushing. He is right now I think the only guy that is really a good value based on like his upside on the Kamani code and basically, well, him and Anthony Richardson, which is my plan.

[Danny Hyfens]

C is if I don't get Fields, I want the normal. I want. I want an AFC south duo. I want CJ Stroud and Lawrence with Anthony Richardson who's free and undrafted. And again, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Just to reiterate what you said, you lingered just to linger on it a little bit. He could suck at passing and he's very likely going to which is weird. And it won't matter.

[Craig]

It is weird taking a bad quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

It won't matter.

[Danny Hyfens]

And it's. It's the play. We joked our first season we did the show. I think we talked about how Blake Bortles it was like playing but don't watch. Don't watch the games. Don't watch the gyros play just played like Bortles. And Fields is like the poster child for that where it's like he's getting benched for his play but he's a top six fantasy quarterback. And they're like, yeah, it's because he's. He's six four two. It's like a Winklevoss twin could run a four four. It's. He's giant. He's a huge person. He's thick, he's built and he's faster than Mo. Honestly, most safeties probably Fields is fast as most crazies in the NFL. Yeah, he's like he is somewhere between cornerback speed and safety speed. Speed. That is how fast Justin Fields is. And so on a team that's going to let have design run game. I just, I don't know. It's like that's the point in your draft where it's like just swing. It's. It's like the hundredth pick in the draft. Take Justin Fields and again if he sucks, who cares? And again I'll spare everyone this rant but it's the same thing with Anthony Richardson where option A is great, get one of the great four quarterbacks. Option B is get Justin Fields and if you miss fields, take Anthony Richardson. If your last pick who can't like it doesn't matter. It's your last pick. I can't think of a player that is more upside that's free than Anthony Richardson. He's not getting drafted in most places. So that's my quarter. That's my thoughts on quarterback this year. All right, let's go to REM right now, which is more traditional sleepers because I know like Walker, Chase, Brown, Fields. These aren't necessarily like classic sleepers or whatever. Craig, why don't you start us, give us like a, like a REM sleep, you know, like a normal regular classic sleeper here.

[Craig]

Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go with Calvin Ridley on the Titans. He's going outside the top 30 at the wide receiver position. And I think my whole, my whole basis around this, this pick is just like, what if Cam Ward is good? I don't think anyone's talking about Cam Ward. I can't remember.

[Danny Kelly]

First overall pick.

[Craig]

I get.

[Danny Hyfens]

Who are you talking about?

[Danny Kelly]

Cameron Ward.

[Danny Hyfens]

Never heard Cameron Ward, quarterback out of Miami.

[Craig]

Yeah, I just, I don't know when I can't remember less conversation around the number one overall pick. That's a quarterback in the NFL. No one's talking about Kim Ward. If you look at what Calvin Ridley did last year with Will Levis, you might on the surface be like, all right, he had a mediocre season, which is largely true. However, DeAndre Hopkins was there for the first seven weeks of the season after DeAndre Hopkins left. From week seven on, Calvin Ridley was on a 1300 yard pace. That's with Will Levis. And so I'm like, okay, he was the wide receiver 23 over the last nine, ten weeks of the season, again with Will Levis. So I'm like, the competition they brought in to me is very thin. It's still, it's 33 year old Tyler Lockett. They have Van Jefferson, they still have Chiga Conquo at tight end and they drafted a couple fourth round wide receivers. And I'm like, man, if Kim Ward is just solid 13, 1400 yards for Calvin Ridley, seems very plausible. And like, what if Kim Ward is awesome? What if he walks in and has a CJ Stroud like rookie season and he's really good. The sky is the limit for, I mean, you're immediately like looking at a top 15 wide receiver in the league for Ridley, who is 30 years old. He's going to be 31 in December. I think, you know, he missed a year for the suspension. He hasn't missed a game since he's come back from the suspension. I just think this is like a really boring under the radar guy catching passes from another under the radar number one overall pick where it's like, if these guys are just solid, I think this is an incredibly valuable pick.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig. The other thing to add in here too is if Ridley's just his deployment and his utilization improves a little bit in the way that they like put him on the field, have him run routes, get open. And that's always been his thing is he's a really good route runner. He can separate early in his route, he can get open, catch everything in the short and intermediate area too. Last year they were using him basically like a deep receiver and he could do that too, obviously, and he posted some good production other than, you know, touchdowns. But that offense was completely dysfunctional and they were basically just asking him to run vertical routes way too much. And I think I could see that changing this year with the, with the type of offense they're going to try and run with. Cam Ward, if you look at the numbers, air yards per target, Calvin Ridley, and so that means the distance of the throws downfield for average over his targets. He was fourth in the NFL among receivers with 20 receptions. The guys ahead of him, Alec Pierce, Christian Watson, Rashid Shahid, basically like, you know, deep ball experts, guys that are just like running on play action and in a lot of ways doing wind sprints for like most of the game. Those are the three guys that finished ahead of him in air yards per target. I think if you, if you get him involved in the short and intermediate area a lot this year, like, he could go over a hundred catches, you know what I mean? And like, that alone, like Cam Ward doesn't have to be great. Just changing the way that you use him a little bit could be really, really good for Calvin Ridley.

[Danny Hyfens]

I like this take a lot. JT Zacharison was talking on his show about how it's kind of a hard year to find quote, unquote, like sleeper receivers between, like, you know, there's like a very clear top 10, top 12 receivers. And then there's kind of a lot of similarities from like the 14th receiver to like the 40th receiver. Like, there's a lot of similarities. It's like a flat tier. And I think Calvin Ridley is the guy where I'm like, who's the guy no one's thinking about? That could pop because of everything you're saying, Craig. And I think that it checks every box for an under the radar receiver starting with the team. The Titans are boring and like, love to the Titans, but the Titans are in Tennessee nationally. Like, they're just a very, like they're behind the University of Tennessee. You Know I think that school is in the blood and the Titans are just in the water. And then you look across the country and like the Titans are honestly like last in terms of like penetrating the national consciousness.

[Craig]

So people have any famous players don't have a famous coach. They don't have anybody famous on the team.

[Danny Hyfens]

They don't have anyone famous. So like the Titans are just an easy team to miss. Cam Ward is an easy number one pick to miss. And so you for like. And you know what the biggest improvement the Titans did this offseason other than quarterback was the offensive line. And so you have an offensive line that's going to go from the problem. So I think part of the solution that the best offensive line coach Bill Callahan shout out to the reverse Nepo the son hiring the father. But like there is the reverse rarely seen reverse Nepo but it's not really Nepo because the dad is the best O line coach. And there's like a 30 year history of Bill Callahan the year two jump and the offensive line is huge. And you know, so I think Dan Moore Jr. Left tackle, you moving JC Latham right tackle spiral the details. I think that you know you have the centers come back from Achilles. But other than that like I think that the offensive line is in a really good spot and that just makes everything better. And again the thing I can't get over all Cam Ward's talked about this off season since he got drafted is Calvin Ridley. He said I like AJ Brown but he's no Calvin Ridley. Like you know what I mean?

[Danny Kelly]

Calvin Ridley's still good. He's still really good.

[Danny Hyfens]

And Calvin really is forgettable because he was behind Julio Jones so no one ever talked about him. Then he got gambling suspension and he was just a meme. So he's like a 31 but he's young 31 because he took a year off three years ago. Even a rod when he got suspended at 38. A year off. When you're a pro athlete and you get to train. Yes it's a big deal. Like it extends people's careers actually sometimes. So I think this is a great call. Craig. I like this one over at a lot. Really it's just a boring player and a boring team that if there's a worse to first team like the Titans could be the surprise playoff team this year.

[Danny Kelly]

And Craig, your your whole thesis with like what if Cam Ward is good? If. If Ward is good maybe he could score double digit touchdowns too in addition to all the volume that he's going to get.

[Craig]

Well, you, I should also mention that Nick Westbrook, Akine, the guy who had nine touchdowns in the title, he's not there.

[Danny Hyfens]

Okay, dk, give us, give us another like REM sleeper here.

[Danny Kelly]

So this guy, you know, his name just flies under the radar continually, every single year. Jacoby Myers for the Raiders. Right now he's going according to fantasy pros. ADP, 40th at receiver 40, wide receiver 40. Which is kind of crazy to me because last year he was a wide receiver 26 and that was with Gardner Minshew, Aiden O' Connell and Desmond Ritter at quarterback. Last year among receivers, he was 15th in targets and 12th in catches. Jacoby Myers was, he only had four touchdowns. So obviously that like lowered his ceiling in fantasy. But I think going back, it's just proven he's a good player. He has averaged 21% target rate over the last five seasons. He demands targets, he gets targets wherever he is. 22% last year. The competition for, for passing game volume in Las Vegas this year is Brock Bowers. You have Trey Tucker, who is more of a lid lifter, stretch the field guy. Like he's playing a role to manipulate like the way that defenses play more than getting a bunch of targets. And then you have three rookies. Jack Besh, Dante Thornton and Tommy Mellet, who was a quarterback in college is getting some hype right now. I don't know who's going to end up being sort of like the number three guy in Las Vegas. It's probably going to be just a combination of everyone else on the team, but I think it's going to be Bowers and Myers. And I think people are still underrating how much of a boost Geno Smith could give to this offense in terms of just efficiency, not necessarily volume, because Pete Carroll is going to run the ball a lot, but efficiency converting in the red zone. And I think it's going to be a lot of teams are going out there and just going to be bracketing Bowers because Bowers is a superhero. And that's going to leave Jacoby Myers, you know, one on one in a lot of cases, able to get open. I just think every year people kind of overlook him because he doesn't score a ton of touchdowns, but he's going to get a ton of volume this year in this like pretty concentrated passing game in Las Vegas.

[Craig]

Yeah, I mean, honestly, similar to Kelvin Ridley, it's like such an under the radar quarterback upgrade that there's just, it's in a very popular, talented division. People are not really talking about the Raiders in that regard. I think Geno Smith even is like weirdly underrated. He's going super late in drafts. I've always thought Jacoby Myers is good, but you're right. The touchdown. I feel like you really need somebody to hit by scoring touchdowns. And honestly he's not famous because he doesn't score touchdowns. I guess he was famous because he didn't have a touchdown.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, he needed a long career score, a touchdown. He was the longest ever.

[Craig]

He has 20 touchdowns in six seasons, I believe, which not great. He's basically averaging three a year. So he probably needs to get to like 6 or 7 for this to actually pay off. But I don't disagree with you dk that like the floor razor that Geno Smith and the play calling and all that stuff is. I think this is a really once again unsexy pick. Yeah, you get Calvin Ridley and Jacoby Myers later in drafts and like nobody's going to say a word.

[Danny Hyfens]

No, yeah, I, I agree. Honestly, we always do like the all boring team every year. And these are boring receivers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think they're genuinely the two most boring players you could take in the top 40, 50 receivers are Calvin Ridley and Jacoby Myers. But yeah, they're. The boringness is probably gonna outweigh. It's probably. I think there's a. And also the underrated quarterback, underrated scheme, underrated offensive line improvements are. I, I think it's a perfect storm. So yeah, I like both these. Any other REM sleepers?

[Craig]

I have one more who I actually would argue is. Is also kind of boring for how early this guy was picked. And it's Ted McMillan who's on the Panthers. Who. I loved him coming out of my. The draft. He was my favorite receiver coming out of the draft. I weirdly think for a guy who went 8th overall, he is flying a little bit under the radar for sure. And I think that's because like the Bryce Young. Are we sure what we saw last year?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, if it was the Bears, we'd be all over it.

[Craig]

Totally. And it's like, I don't know. Bryce was so bad for like a season and a half and now it's like, all right, he had eight good games. Is this real? There's so much buzz around all these other year, one, two, three quarterbacks. Your Drake Mays, your Stroud, your like even Bo Nix, Michael Penix. But I'm like, man, talk about lack of competition. Talk about a fit. That was perfect. Bringing in a big guy like Ted McMillan to fit with Dave Canalis, who was the architect behind Geno Smith's renovation. Resurrection, the Baker Mayfield resurrection, and now the Bryce Young resurrection that is old Dave Canales. And now it's year two in that system. When Bryce Young kind of got going last year, from weeks eight on, he was like around the QB15 and he was six in PFF passing grade. He had an incredible big time throw rate and he was doing that to nobody. He was doing that to Xavier Leggett and Jalen Coker.

[Danny Kelly]

And I mean you, you, Thielen went off late too.

[Craig]

Yeah, Thielen, sure. And all those guys are still there, but like they were desperately in need of like a number one and now all those other guys, Leggett and Coker and Thielen I think can succeed much better off as like ancillary pieces that can support the offense. And Tet to me is a guy who can just jump right in and get 130, 140 targets. And I personally think he's one of the most skilled players and one of the most gifted movers for his size that I've seen. This is like what Canales does with Mike Evans. With Baker, I think could happen with Ted McMillan and Bryce Young.

[Danny Hyfens]

There's a funny thing happening because Ted McMillan's on average being drafted like 60th. And there's an irony that because Marvin Harrison Jr. Slipped up to like a top 25 pick, some people took him like 18th, 19th overall. And the Marvin Harrison Jr. Was disappointing. I think people are a little afraid to rank rookie receivers high totally. Which is ironic because all the other rookie receivers were awesome. Like Brian Thomas was incredible. Malik Neighbors way outperformed where he was, you know, lad McConkey way outperformed where he was, you know what I mean? Like for the most part, if you. All the other guys that weren't Brock Bowers, all the other guys that weren't. Marvin Harrison Jr. Did great. And so there's almost like a fear to rank Tech McMillan higher even though last year it totally bared out. That was good because the headliner, Marvin Harrison, Judy did poorly. But Ted McMillan is probably like a very obviously good pick. He's surrounded by like, you know, Jalen Waddle or Calvin Ridley are people. But real based on the history of rookie receivers, people are afraid of the Panthers, People are afraid of the unknown of rookies. But yeah, also his mom wants people to go. He wants him to go by Tetsuaroa or TMac. But I, I think he's clearly. Well, he, he, he doesn't give a His mom is like, I named him Tetuorara. So she's like, yeah, sorry, I can't.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I'm not actually that 100. Sure. I'm pronouncing that right.

[Danny Hyfens]

I listened to it three times and I'm like, I'm gonna botch this. So. But I don't know, there's just like.

[Craig]

There's just like no buzz T bone. There's no conversation around him. And it's like maybe he went to Arizona. I don't know. There's. It's the pin stink.

[Danny Hyfens]

I'll tell you why. Because it's. The Panthers are boring and it's so hard to talk about Carolina because it is not interesting to say, yeah, the Panthers were good, but what if they suck again? Because no one wants to. It is. I don't. It is really hard. I think one of the hardest things if you could do if you cover the NFL this season is go full throated into the season saying the Panthers are going to be even better than they were last year. Like, no one wants to be caught honestly in that position of the Panthers suck again. Like, no one wants to like 100% say that the Bryce Young renaissance is real. And because of that, people are. It's like a little weird to talk about. I personally lean toward. I think Bryce Young, I think got frankly better coaching after he came back the second time when Andy Dalton was with the car accident. And I think he got his mojo back.

[Danny Kelly]

He got his confidence.

[Danny Hyfens]

He's. He's 23. His girlfriend was dating Tyrese Maxey when Tyrese Maxey was super famous. He was tough time for Price Young tough.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

And then he started playing better and I was like, yeah, Dika, you put it best. You're like, oh, yeah, right. This is why I had him ranked.

[Danny Kelly]

So this is why a lot of people had him as the number one pick in the draft. I, Craig, I almost had tattoo on this in terms of just like one of my favorite kind of in that range, guys. But the other thing that's working in his favor and in Bryce Young's favor is the Panthers, according to Warren Sharp's strength of schedule, have the seventh easiest schedule in the NFL. That's going to help a ton. I don't think. We like, obviously the schedule is very like, it varies week to week and maybe not always super predictive. But like having an easy schedule helps so much. It helps so much for a quarterback in particular. It helps for like, for the offense in general. If Bryce keeps developing, like, what if he's actually a little bit better than he was last year. I looked this up and this is, obviously it doesn't mean a ton, but in the eight in the 10 games that he started last year after getting benched, he had 15 touchdowns and six picks. That's a 26 touchdown pace over a 17 game season. That's what Mahomes threw last year. Like it's, it's not out of, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could have 25, 30 touchdowns this season in a, in on a team with an easy schedule that's playing in probably a lot of like shootout type games. They're not going to be, you know, like super run heavy probably. So I don't know. I think there's some value here just because of what people think of Bryce Young and like you said, like Ted McMillan for being one of the top receivers in the draft. In our opinion, he was by far the top receiver in the draft, I guess other than Trev Tuner. Depends on how you define him. But, you know, there's just not much talk about him right now. I haven't heard anything about him in like a couple months.

[Danny Hyfens]

Also, the Panthers defense gave up the most points ever. And so even if you fix that, it's still going to be bad. Like bad would be an improvement for Carolina. So this is still a team that's going to be an offensive position.

[Craig]

Yeah, I think I'm like, all right, so I'm, my philosophy is just, I'm just going to bet on number one overall picks at quarterback, throwing to receivers that have no other competition around them.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Okay. I, I want to just. Well, dk, do you have any other? I, I, I have just a list of running backs I want to run through, so to speak.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

This is like, are, are you talking like the really late round sleeper type deal?

[Danny Hyfens]

So I have one REM guy and then I have a bunch of coma guys. My REM guy I'll just do quickly. It's just reminder Stevenson for the Patriots and it's really simple. I think he's got written off more than anyone.

[Craig]

Sexiest pick in the world.

[Danny Kelly]

People have moved on from Ramandre Stevenson.

[Danny Hyfens]

They've decided he's moved on is being Ramandre Stevenson.

[Craig]

I don't care for job.

[Danny Hyfens]

They don't care for job.

[Danny Kelly]

I love all my running backs equally.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Earlier that day, I, there are places I respect a lot that have Ramonjo Stevenson ranked like 123rd.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

And I get that. But that's kind of what you rank guys when they're like 31 and Ramanja Stevenson is 27 and he can't be right. There's no way that's correct.

[Craig]

Dude, I know there's no way that's correct.

[Danny Hyfens]

And so it's, it's this weird situation where everybody expects the Patriots offense could to get better. People expect the offensive line to be better, the quarterbacking to be better, the coaching to be better. And yet Ramonje Stevenson is in some ways going 40, 50, sometimes 60 spots after Trevion Henderson, who is the second run pick out of Ohio State that Patriots drafted. And yet would you be surprised even a little if Ramanja Stevenson outscored Trevian Henderson in the first half of the season?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, this is something that Nathan Yankee from PFF has been really hitting hard lately or I don't know, just since the draft and basically Josh McDaniels, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think it's one season in all of the seasons he's either been an offensive coordinator or a head coach and that's like 16 or 17 years or whatever it is. He's had one, he's had one like a non committee running back situation. Basically he's had like a workhorse running back in one season out of all those years. Basically. It's usually an early down, lead, quote unquote lead back guy and then a pass catching, third down specialist, passing game specialist. And he always kind of likes to have that mix. Ramondre's still there. Ramandre is probably going to get goal line looks, you know, because he's a quote unquote bigger back. And yeah, I mean I think we like the fact that we've all kind of moved on from Ramandre. Like Trayvon Henderson's exciting, all that stuff but he's still probably going to get a lot of, a lot of carries in this offense.

[Danny Hyfens]

And that's the thing. And again Trevin Henderson, he's still a rookie. And to be clear, I think the two most high the most un rookie like rookies other than Tyler Schuck who's 26, the most UN rookie like rookies are the two Ohio State guys. It's a mecca, Buca and it's Trevan Henderson. I wrote this down from Sam Presti, the GM of the Thunder when they won. He said this on the podium accepting the trophy and I wrote it down because I thought it was awesome and about how the Thunder is such a young team and how did you do this? And Sam Presti said age is a number. Sacrifice and maturity are characteristics. And I think if you look at Trevion Henderson and Emeka Buka, I'm like those guys are young but they are like the sacrifice of maturity. Like they have the characteristics to be good quickly. So I'm not trying to say Trevin Henderson won't be good. However he's still a rookie and I think that it's okay to say I think Henderson might succeed, but also maybe that's the second half of the year. And so I just, I'm not even saying I like ramonjo Stevenson that much. I'm not even saying I buy to the Patriots being a rebound playoff team. But if I had to pick someone in the top 130 where I'm like that price the quote unquote market decided.

[Craig]

Yeah, he's just too low.

[Danny Hyfens]

Like it's just wrong. Like Ramondre should probably be going. He's going in 30 or 40 spots after Jalen Warren. That doesn't make any sense.

[Danny Kelly]

I pulled up the stat here from Nathan Yankee in 17 of 18 McDaniel seasons either as offensive coordinator or the head coach. The running back who leads the team in rushing attempts is not the same one who leads the backfield in third down snaps. So he's just.

[Craig]

It's always 17 of 18 seasons. Has he been an offensive coordinator for 18?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, he got the best job in like 2007 in 10.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow. Like the late aughts he was he.

[Danny Hyfens]

Josh McDaniels is supposed to be Sean McVey like Josh McDaniels was hired at 31 32. Like he was supposed to. John Gruden was like the guru. You know John Gruden was how old would he back when 40 was young. He was the young guy who won a Super bowl and then Tomlin won Super bowl and McDaniel was supposed to be the next like crazy young link given to but like Josh McDaniels got.

[Danny Kelly]

He was the OC for the Patriots.

[Danny Hyfens]

In 2006 that is and that yeah 2007 the undefeated team. But McDaniels great story. There's a book behind me by Seth Wickersham better to be feared and there's a story in there because you know Josh McDaniels like got the Colts job and then took back because Jim Ercek kind of passed out or whatever in his bathroom for like 90 minutes and Josh McDaniels wife was like I don't know if you should work for this guy. But anyway there's a story in there about how Josh McDaniels got the Broncos job in 2009 or 2010, whatever it was, 2009. And Belichick is like. Because again, Josh McDaniels coordinated the best offense we'd ever seen in 2007. And so Belichick was like, all right, I'll help you. Which he didn't always help people with interviews. And Belichick writes down. He takes two pieces of loose leaf paper and he writes down front and back on both. Here are all the questions you should ask ownership about the job. And it's four pages of questions.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow.

[Danny Hyfens]

And later, Pat Boland, who's since passed, said that he couldn't believe the detailed oriented nature of Josh McDaniels. And he's like, look at this guy thinking through. I can't believe thought so much about the job. He just read what fucking Bill Belichick.

[Danny Kelly]

He gave him the answers.

[Danny Hyfens]

Answers to the test. Shockingly, couldn't do it on his own without the answers to the test.

[Craig]

He chat GPT it.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Really just shockingly was not prepared for the job. Anyway, sorry, that's a long tangent. But yeah, I think Ramon Stevenson's a good value.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm. I'm sort of always. I've always been a Ramandre believer. He needs to stop. He needs to stop fumbling.

[Danny Hyfens]

He does. Yeah, he fumbles. Rabel's gonna bench his ass. But that's. Let's pretend that's not what's priced in. People are not out here ranking him low because he fumbled. Like, people are ranking him low because he sucked last year and people forgot about him. Anyway, I just want to roll through some other names faster than that conversation of just like buckets of running backs. I'm targeting late. It's July 21st. We're recording this. Like, we'll sharpen which of these guys we want. But handcuffs to the elite running backs, the backups that if someone gets hurt. Saquon Barkley, cover of Madden Fiduciary duty to rank this person higher. Will Shipley, who sure actually had 250 touches his junior year at Clemson. So there is a three down possibility of Will Shipley, which I kind of thought AG Dillon might get it, but I kind of think Will Shipley is the guy behind the sake one Isaac Grando in San Francisco. I feel like we have drafted the San Francisco running backs backups high for so long and then now Jordan Mason is gone to the Vikings, Elijah Mitchell has gone to the Chiefs, and yet somehow Isaac Rando is not going that high. And Christian McCaffrey with the bilateral Achilles tendonitis. You're like, Isaac Rando is probably good value. Jordan James too, and Jordan James, but he's a rookie. And I'm like the Shannon McVeigh. There's a perfectionism. Like they, they like they just don't want those first year guys to play if they can help it. And so I think Garendo is the guy and will be the guy if McCaffrey gets hurt. And then Tyler Algier behind Bichon Robinson, who I don't think Bishon's necessarily a lock to get. You know, it's like McCaffrey's sake when he's younger. But Tyler Algier ran for a thousand yards when he was a rookie. So it's really. There's no other backups where you're like, yeah, that guy can. Obviously has a track record of doing it, which is Tyler Aljo does the other guys. I want to shout out the year two running backs who didn't do a ton last year, but I think are underrated. Ray Davis on the Bills, who has the size for goal line work, the hands to catch passes. And when James Cook went down, James. Ray Davis had 23 touches, like 150 yards and multiple touchdowns.

[Danny Kelly]

It was such a good too. Yeah, he's.

[Danny Hyfens]

If all. If all the starters get hurt, Ray Davis is the guy where I'm like, that's an elite offense. And he's probably getting all three downs. Like, that's crazy. To a lesser extent, Jalen Wright in Miami, I think could be like the Raheem Mostert backup. I'm not as excited about him as Ray Davis, but he might have an easier path to playing time because Raheem Mostert left Miami. Trey Benson in Arizona, who did nothing. But I do think he'll have more of a role this year. That's a low bar cause Trey Benson barely played. But I think Trey Benson actually he basically red shirt. And that's fine because he was raw. But dk, you love Trey Benson in the draft and I'm curious to see. Oh, you just did the pull your shirt. So that's. That means you don't like him anymore. I've got to get out of here. Yeah. Out on Trey Benson.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's be honest. Trey Benson's rookie season, not what anyone was hoping for.

[Danny Hyfens]

Out on Trey, dude.

[Craig]

Not what you wanted.

[Danny Kelly]

Not what you wanted to see. Okay, there was a few plays, he flashed, but he needs to do a lot better than what he did as a rookie.

[Danny Hyfens]

All right, cut him down Last guy I want to say. I know I'm ranting, but I think people just want names in these sleepers things. This is the grossest and most disgusting name. Okay, Miles Sanders, the Dallas Cowboys. This is another one where I just think the market's wrong. I'm not even saying Miles Sanders will be good, but Miles Sanders is not drafted. It might just be the starting running back for the Cowboys because there's an assumption by the quote unquote market that Javante Williams will be the starter for Dallas. Miles Sanders will be the backup. Jaden Blue, the fifth rounder, is going to be third, and Phil Moff, the seventh round is four.

[Danny Kelly]

Phil.

[Danny Hyfens]

So anyway, Jaden Blue, there's a guy who. Jaden Blue is. Apparently the work ethic is in doubt at this point in time. Fair or not, that is the word going around Dallas. And then if you look at the Dallas Cowboys website, which is not cowboys.com, by the way, which there's a funny story about that we could do another time. But the cowboys.com, where does that go again?

[Danny Kelly]

Is it like a stripper thing?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, it was like male strippers or something. Now the domain's dead. Yeah, the Cowboys don't have cowboys dot com.

[Craig]

That was like the Wicked thing. You remember that?

[Danny Hyfens]

Wicked.

[Craig]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Wicked was like a sex toy company or something.

[Danny Kelly]

It's available for sale.

[Craig]

They were selling Wicked dolls and then like the wicked.com took you to like a sex toy.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh. And then. Oh, yeah, the official Wicked Merch went to Wicked.com with the QR code. But that was a porn site. Oh, my God. That was bad. It was like kids. Yeah, Brutal. Oh, that's a good one. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football gyms. Com. Should we do, like, websites that aren't owned by who you think would own them? Yeah, that was the thing with Pro Football Focus. They didn't have pff forever. It went to the Pakistani Football Federation. Oh, wow. Really? 15 years it took them. They didn't have pff.com. yeah, email us things like the Wicked or Cowboys don't have Cowboys.

[Danny Kelly]

Dallas Cowboys dot com.

[Danny Hyfens]

Anyway, the writers at Dallas cowboys dot com. Which I don't always go to the team websites for stuff, but they're sitting there like, who's gonna be running back? And they're like, I don't know. Could be anyone. We'll have to see. Like, they're not sitting there saying javante Williams. Some people say Miles Sanders, but they're like, we will see. So I think this is a coin flip of whether it's Javante or Miles Sanders. I think Jaden Blue is out of the running. Phil Moffis seventh round are not going to do it. So I'm not saying I believe Miles Sanders. He sucks. Phil.

[Craig]

Phil Ma.

[Danny Hyfens]

But yeah, point being Miles Sanders just might be the starting running back. He's not being drafted anywhere. He is outside the top two 20 like he's not being selected and I kind of think he just might start. So that's the, that's gross. But he just started. I don't know anyone else. DK before we well along the same.

[Danny Kelly]

Lines in terms of just like uncertainty in the backfield rotations and doubts whether the starter is any good or not. I'm going to talk about the Bears Roshan Johnson for the Bears who is ostensibly the backup to Dondre Swift right now. Dondre Swift has had one of the weirdest careers, man. He obviously started out as a second rounder in Detroit, had a chance to catch a game winning play on his I think it was his first game or one of his first games. Week one dropped it, game over and he's never been the same again. I don't think I forgot he was on the Eagles for a year. I just like completely forgot that. So that was a thing.

[Craig]

His LinkedIn profile's tough. You're like, you change jobs a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

We're projecting that Andre Such is going to be the starter and he probably will be. But the exercise here is like what if he's not? Then you got to go find these guys that could be diamonds in the rough. And I think Roshan Johnson, big physical downhill guy, he's actually pretty good in the passing game as well. And if Ben Johnson turns out to be who we think he is, like, like he's in that Sean McVay, Liam Cohen, I guess like category of guys who can absolutely elevate an offense that doesn't seem to be all that talented or maybe just struggled the previous year. If Ben Johnson really is that guy, this offense for the Bears could be a lot better. I actually saw this. The PFF ranked the Bears their number four offensive offensive line in an article from a couple weeks ago, which I I just did not expect to see that they had Braxton Jones and Darnell wright both.

[Danny Hyfens]

Sorry. PFF ranked the bears what number fourth. Number four that is.

[Danny Kelly]

Which I was surprised to see.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's wrong for 2025 or 20 what?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, for 2025 it might be wrong.

[Craig]

Correct.

[Danny Kelly]

But they like the off season addition. So basically Braxton Jones, Darnold right at tackle. They traded for Joe Tooney. They signed Drew Dahlman who ranked really highly at the in PFF overall grade. If Jonah Jackson can get back healthy and back to his old form, basically their theory is like if all these guys come together and play like they've graded them in the past, this will be one of the better offensive lines. I don't know if I buy that, but I just thought it was interesting. And again, this is an exercise in what if these teams aren't exactly what ADP is expecting these players to be. And if DeAndre Swift ends up in the doghouse or just gets hurt, which has happened before in his career, I think Roshan Johnson probably be the next man up. They have many other guys. The only addition they made in this off season was drafting a seventh round rookie and Johnson. Roshan Johnson is basically free if he plays that David Montgomery role as like the big back in in that backfield. I just think it's a ton of value with warriors getting drafted.

[Craig]

Do you think it's awkward between Ben Johnson and DeAndre Swift? It's like a curb bit like him coming back and now like them being reunited again. I mean literally, Ben Johnson's first year calling plays for the Lions, he had Jamal Williams and DeAndre Swift. They were like okay at running the ball. The next year, both those guys get shipped out. They bring in David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs and then they're incredible.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig]

And now it's like, hey, you again, Phil Converse.

[Danny Hyfens]

I I think DK, you're right. And in a nutshell, either DeAndre Swift is too low or Roshan Johnson's too low.

[Craig]

He should probably draft both. Just draft them.

[Danny Kelly]

Totally.

[Danny Hyfens]

It's hard to imagine Roshan Johnson not having a role in DeAndre Swift being properly ranked or vice versa.

[Danny Kelly]

One of those guys is going to be super underrated.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, that's really good.

[Craig]

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[Danny Hyfens]

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[Danny Kelly]

All I got.

[Craig]

Let's do some emails.

[Danny Hyfens]

All right. Emails it is. So another thing we're doing, we're relaunching the Ring of Fantasy Football league. So we're getting Bill Simmons, we're getting Mallory Rubin, Sean Fennesee, Chris Ryan. Like, we're getting all, getting all the people. Cousin Sal, Am I supposed to say these names or are we keeping this?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, don't hold us to these, but.

[Craig]

Yeah, just bleep all of those people.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, just bleep them out. Kai, it's fine. We'll bleep. But we're trying to figure out the terms of the league, including most importantly, the punishment. So we asked you guys for punishments for the Ringer Fantasy football league. Thank you so much. Because so many people sent them in. We're going to do a mailbag later in August. We're going to like decide what the punishment is.

[Craig]

We're going to read like the best 30 punishments on a mailbag, maybe with Bill on the show, and decide once and for all what is the punishment for this league. And we were asking for appropriate ish punishments. Punishments that people with children, that Bill Simmons, these people would actually do.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. So it's like Danny Kelly cannot do 24 hours in a Waffle House. He has a son.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, it's less about me and more about what are the. What how are we going to convince the bosses to do this?

[Craig]

Well, it's like no one's going to do the 30 rack challenge.

[Danny Hyfens]

You know what I mean?

[Craig]

Like these guys.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sean, Fantasy is not going to like, I would like, I like to joke, like 999. I don't think Sean Fennesee is going to eat nine hot dogs, nine beers in a baseball game. You know, it's tough, especially now. It's great. So anyway, we asked for emails within these parameters. So easy to read the emails and tell how old people are it's so easy. But email him in ringerfancyfootballjournal.com I want to read one particularly good one that stood out to me amid all the others that I thought was really funny. This one is from Michael, Mike, Mikey, Mickey, M Bone. Mike writes. D Bone, D Bone, and C Bone.

[Craig]

Double D bone.

[Danny Kelly]

Double D Bone. That sounds weird.

[Danny Hyfens]

Double debone.

[Danny Kelly]

Two two Ds.

[Danny Hyfens]

Embone writes, Last year, my high school home league of 17 years implemented a punishment for the first time. Last place has to eat two cold cans of soup.

[Danny Kelly]

So awful, so salty.

[Danny Hyfens]

This is. Mike says, naturally, I came in last. I took two cans of Campbell's chicken and rice to the face. And the growing prospect of having to do this as the season went from bad to worse made this a terrific punishment. And each loss, I spent weeks agonizing over the decision of what soup I should choose. If I would eat it from a bowl straight from the can, should I chug it from a cup? We also had a weekly weeding punishment with the lowest score each week had to chug two beers as quickly as possible. Please consider these rules for your league this year.

[Danny Kelly]

What's the. Isn't the Campbell's just tomato soup? One doesn't. When it's not warm, doesn't it just kind of come out like.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Slinks out in, like, can.

[Craig]

Like cranberry sauce?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, exactly. I think. I think we should. I think two cold cans of soup is good. And I think, honestly, we should get to pick it. Like, I think Bill hits Sal with a. Like, a subway sandwich. Like, 10 years, 15 years.

[Craig]

You mean we get to decide the kind of like, a broccoli cheddar in a can or something?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Like clam chowder. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of think.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Do you think they would do that? Maybe they would do that, you know?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yes. You know why I think it's the grossest thing?

[Craig]

One can of soup. Two is too much.

[Danny Hyfens]

But it's soup. That's dope. It's soup. It's like one can. I see why they came to two cans.

[Craig]

I will say can. Bill famously loves soup.

[Danny Hyfens]

He does love soup. That's why I think it's so funny.

[Danny Kelly]

This is a reward.

[Craig]

He might do this already.

[Danny Hyfens]

Bill just doesn't heat up the soup. It's like cryo for soup.

[Craig]

What do you guys think is the best soup to drink cold? It's got to be tomato soup because it's basically tomato juice. It's a V8.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like a Bloody Mary without the.

[Craig]

Yeah, I don't think. I don't want to be chewing. I don't want to chew anything if I can.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think chicken soup cold is, like, fine. I. I don't think that's chicken corn chowder.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you imagine a nice corn.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think we should get inside, because you know why? It's. It's gross. It's the perfect mix of gross, but also, like, okay, that's food.

[Craig]

Yeah, you're not gonna like your pants.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, it's soup. Like, get over it.

[Danny Kelly]

Later.

[Craig]

I don't know why, but I like that. Wait, how long have they been doing the soup thing? Or is it. Was This a reason?

[Danny Hyfens]

17 years. And this is why I like it, because you can tell, like, a bunch of guys in their mid-30s came up with it because they, like, have kids and stuff now. Yeah. So it's like, they're all 35, and it's their first year of punishment. And that's why it really fits the bill, because it's like, what, you can't say anything to get out of it. That's what I liked. Like, yeah, sorry, I can't eat the soup. Why?

[Craig]

I think. I think it should be, like, they should have to drink it on whatever podcast they host. It's just an open can sitting on the desk, and they have to sip it like it's a mug.

[Danny Kelly]

There we go.

[Craig]

Like, it's coffee.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, my God, that's good. Yeah. So email [e-mail] if you have any other punishment ideas. I would also say everyone just has different version of. You have to host three watchables with, like, a bad movie not happening. Yeah, I know. I don't think it's happening.

[Craig]

Also, some would say that's already happening every week. Hey, oh, check out species out tonight. 1995 crazy movies. Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Wow.

[Craig]

I bet you do, you little freak.

[Danny Kelly]

You knew exactly what I was talking about, Craig.

[Craig]

Some great clips.

[Danny Kelly]

Media reaction.

[Craig]

There's nobody who's like, species is really phenomenal film.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. It's memorable having watched it when I was in my early teens or when.

[Craig]

Made a lot of Money in the 90s when Internet porn was not a thing.

[Danny Kelly]

That's funny.

[Danny Hyfens]

Okay. The plot.

[Craig]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

God, I. The other thing. The only fun. The other funny one, because, like, a lot of people were like, do a rewatchable is a bad movie. Someone's like, you should. The losers should do the rewatchables, and it should be their favorite movie. But they don't get to say Anything. To sit there for two hours and they can't say anything. That one I thought was creative.

[Craig]

That's very funny. I will say I would probably try to move away from programming. The rewatch was very difficult to do. If you have a funny idea, odds are it's not going to happen. But you feel free to take your shot.

[Danny Kelly]

It's still fun to talk about.

[Craig]

Trying to get Sicario for five years on the rewatch was.

[Danny Kelly]

He can't do it. Oh, my God.

[Danny Hyfens]

Send. Yeah. So send non rewatchables related punishment ideas. But thank you to everyone who sent them in. They're so funny. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

A couple other species or species.

[Craig]

I say species.

[Danny Hyfens]

Species. Species.

[Danny Kelly]

Species.

[Danny Hyfens]

Species.

[Danny Kelly]

Probably species.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's like species.

[Craig]

It's like people say human instead of human. Like Al Michaels says human.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah.

[Craig]

You know, that's like a real old guy thing.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. East Coast.

[Danny Hyfens]

I want to read something about a horse, but you guys kept doing the. The fill the Groundhog Day. So do you want to read an email from. I got an email from Zach here. That's a theory about Groundhog Day.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Craig]

Okay. The movie. The yearly holiday.

[Danny Hyfens]

Well, the movie.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyfens]

So, Zacky, last episode. Danny, you kept quoting Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day. Ned, Phil. So anyway, Zach sent a very long Reddit post that basically there's a theory that in the movie, Ned Ryerson is the devil. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, right. I've seen that. Yeah.

[Craig]

This is. We. We discussed this on the rewatch. Was this is one of the better, like, movie theories. That's not actually true, but could be. Ever.

[Danny Hyfens]

Could be. Yeah. And basically the idea that he's actually trying to, like, he trapped Phil there because he was mad on the first day, and then he does life insurance. He's trying to. To buy his soul from Phil. And it's great. I think that's a really good theory.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, I had to mention that.

[Craig]

Yeah. And it was at the very end of the movie. It's like once he's nice to Ned is when he, like, breaks the cycle.

[Danny Kelly]

And gets out of it.

[Danny Hyfens]

Okay. Yeah. Placate the devil. That's. That's the theme.

[Danny Kelly]

That is the lesson. Yeah.

[Craig]

The devil just wants you to be a good person.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. So.

[Craig]

Correct.

[Danny Kelly]

Biblical scholar.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's the gist. Right. Okay. We got so many emails. DK said on the last episode that his dog was more athletic than Secretary God.

[Craig]

One of the best takes he's ever made.

[Danny Hyfens]

I think it's the actual hottest take Deacon's ever said. We got a lot of emails about Dicky's dog.

[Danny Kelly]

People had a problem with that. People had a problem saying that George is more athletic than secretary.

[Craig]

You know, it's just like, in general, like, pet arrogance has gone too far in our society, and we need to cool it. Okay? Not everyone's dog is the greatest dog that's ever existed.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig. As as many of my friends know, I don't think George is the greatest dog of all time, just more athletic than.

[Danny Hyfens]

If we're going there. Dick is the only person who got a dog in Covid. That was a mistake, and DK kind of admits it.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just saying it's a really terrible mistake to get a dog. If you have a baby, don't do it. Or not a baby. He. Calvin was like 2 or something like that. It's a terrible idea. Okay, don't do it. That's all.

[Craig]

It's honestly really good advice.

[Danny Kelly]

George is kind of a maniac. I love him, but he's maniac.

[Craig]

What about right now? What is Calvin 5 or 6 years old? Would you do it right now? Would you get a dog now for him? Yeah, that's a decent age. Six, seven, eight.

[Danny Kelly]

Six is like. He can handle himself.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

For the first, like, three years of George's life or two years of George's life, they couldn't be alone together because they were doing. There was a power struggle there, so that just made my life even more annoying.

[Danny Hyfens]

Power struggle.

[Danny Kelly]

You can't leave your dog alone at all.

[Craig]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Danny Kelly]

It's tough. He's. He's chilled.

[Craig]

You should have taken him to the track where he could have kicked secretary.

[Danny Kelly]

If he was running a lot. Like, if we were training him to be a. Like a horse race, he probably would be a lot better. He'd be tired more often.

[Danny Hyfens]

So we got a lot of emails about this, but the one I'm going to read is from Harris. Harris breakfast was a Costco Muffin Banana and energy drink.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that's a lot.

[Craig]

This guy's ready for anything.

[Danny Hyfens]

That's wild. That's Costco Muffin Banana.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like a thousand galleries.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, it's true. So Harris says DK completely lost the plot on this discussion and eventually dragged him down with him.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just kidding.

[Danny Hyfens]

The greatest athlete discussion, which is what? The question was whether Secretariat should be considered one of the greatest athletes in American history. The greatest athlete discussion is not talking about who is the most athletic. It is about the most accomplished individual within the context of their sport. When you have overall rankings somewhere, Tom Brady's in the discussion. No one would say describe Tom Brady by saying athletic, yet he's one of the greatest athletes. And the discussion to include Secretariat or not because of athletic relative to humans or cheetahs is ridiculous. It's about the dominance in the context of his sport against his quote unquote peers who Secretariat beat by 31 lengths. Bringing a cheetah into the discussion is idiotic. While a cheetah may be athletic, it does not use it in the context of cheetah related competitions.

[Danny Kelly]

This guy's fun at parties. You're absolutely right, Harris. I concede that it was ridiculous and I lost the plot, but it was fun. Also, I don't think the original emailer specified all of this. You are specifying it for yourself, which I think is fair, but he didn't make these distinctions.

[Danny Hyfens]

Okay, well, last email here is good at parties.

[Danny Kelly]

Just moving on.

[Danny Hyfens]

This one's fun. Yeah, well, no, not really.

[Danny Kelly]

This is correct though I will concede.

[Danny Hyfens]

This is Silas, Silas, Silas, Silas just sent a Wikipedia article. Okay, a Wikipedia article to Staff Sergeant Reckless. Reckless. If you will just Staff Sergeant Reckless was a decorated war horse. Staff Sergeant Staff Sergeant Horse was a.

[Danny Kelly]

Staff sergeant promoted several times.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yes. Oh, we got a Purple Heart. Staff Sergeant Reckless is a decorated war horse who held official rank in the United States military. A Mongolian horse mare. The horse was purchased in Seoul, South Korea in October 1952 for $250 from a Korean stable boy who needed money to buy an artificial leg for his sister.

[Danny Kelly]

And then Reckless, there's a whole movie going on here.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, Reckless. There's a lot going on here. Reckless was bought by members of the U.S. marine Corps and trained to be a pack horse for the Recoilless Rifle Platoon, the anti Tank Company, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division. And she quickly became part of the unit, was allowed to roam freely through camp, entered Marine barracks and tents, and would sleep in their tents at cold nights, and was known for her willingness to eat anything, including scrambled eggs, beer, Coca Cola, and one time, $30 of poker chips.

[Craig]

Twist my arm. Coca Cola beer and egg. Give me a break.

[Danny Hyfens]

And then, yeah, it goes on and on. Yes, Staff Sergeant Breakfast, Staff Sergeant Reckless, email Coca Cola beer. During the battle for Outpost Vegas, in a single day, she made 51 solo trips to resupply multiple frontline units, was wounded in combat twice, and was given the battlefield rank of corporal in 1953 and then promoted a sergeant in 1954.

[Danny Kelly]

It was also the first solo trips. Like so this horse is taking it on himself to like, yeah, Resupply the.

[Danny Hyfens]

Platoon misgendered the horse.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry. Herself.

[Craig]

Come on.

[Danny Hyfens]

Jesus.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? Mayor.

[Danny Hyfens]

How dare you?

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyfens]

And then the surgeon was his mother.

[Craig]

Horses can be women. Dk.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So the. So anyway, Staff Sergeant Reckless ended up getting awarded two Purple Hearts, a Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal, included in her Presidential unit Citations, and Life magazine recognized her as one of America's 100 all time heroes. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, so wait, what's the point?

[Danny Hyfens]

It was just a horse that athletic.

[Craig]

Who was the horse? I feel like it should have been.

[Danny Hyfens]

The Staff Sergeant Reckless, would you say?

[Craig]

But who's the horse in War Horse? Who's that about?

[Danny Hyfens]

I don't know. I didn't see it.

[Craig]

Me neither.

[Danny Kelly]

Looked boring, wasn't it?

[Danny Hyfens]

Like, seems up our alley.

[Craig]

Honestly, it's a terrible title.

[Danny Kelly]

This is not. This is a different horse. It's directed, produced, Directed and produced by Steven Spielberg. Craig.

[Craig]

I know. I'm aware. Didn't call to me. But who. Who is this horse? And is he better than.

[Danny Kelly]

It's set before the World War I. I didn't. I'm surprised they were using horses in the Korean War.

[Danny Hyfens]

I know. I. It's why an amphibious landings. They're using horses. I still can't believe cops use horses. Dude, we're on Bourbon street for the super bowl and I'm just walking through all this horseshit. I'm like, bourbon street for the super bowl? They had APCs, they had the National Guard. They had so much security. And I'm like, why do we need the horses shooting everywhere? As if Bourbon street isn't disgusting enough. Why are there horses shooting everywhere on Burbank?

[Craig]

I agree.

[Danny Hyfens]

We really did horses.

[Danny Kelly]

Intimidation factor.

[Craig]

We're holding on to the past there. We need to get rid of that.

[Danny Hyfens]

It's just. We don't need the horses. Oh, my God. Anyway, I'm not trying to lose the horses.

[Craig]

What's the name of War Horse?

[Danny Hyfens]

I can't find the horse's name of War Horse.

[Craig]

Is Warhorse a hoax? Who is the horse?

[Danny Hyfens]

I don't get. I don't get him. See here, Not a fan.

[Craig]

What does Eddie Redmayne have to do with anything?

[Danny Hyfens]

He's in the movie Warhorse.

[Craig]

Oh, is he?

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah. Isn't he the star?

[Craig]

I don't think so.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, I'm in the Wikipedia. Oh, never mind. It just one line. It had been rumored that Eddie Redmayne had been cast, but I was wrong.

[Danny Kelly]

No. Joe Craig. The name of the horse is Joey.

[Danny Hyfens]

Joey J.

[Craig]

Bone.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, God.

[Danny Hyfens]

Oh, my God.

[Craig]

Maybe the Loser of the fantasy league has to watch war horse.

[Danny Kelly]

The fantasy league has to become a horse. Guy or girl?

[Danny Hyfens]

We got multiple horses, horse guys and girls emailing us about your horse.

[Craig]

I feel like we're going to get a lot of emails about how war horse is good.

[Danny Hyfens]

Yeah, probably. All right, there we go. Email us. Yeah, so email us punishments for the ring of fantasy football league. Email us places that don't own the websites you think they would own or funny product recalls where they like the wicked thing. Email us. Yeah, I'll always take horses or I'll always take animals that were awarded military awards. I think is my favorite.

[Danny Kelly]

Quickly rose up the ranks.

[Craig]

Accomplished animals.

[Danny Hyfens]

Cor.

[Danny Kelly]

Animals that made highly ranked horses and animals.

[Danny Hyfens]

Staff Sergeant. There are people he's not making around sergeants, hopefully. Anyone listening.

[Craig]

She is dk.

[Danny Hyfens]

God damn it.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry, you're right.

[Danny Hyfens]

Come on, Come on. Get our podcast canceled because you keep misgendering the horse.

[Danny Kelly]

It's my bad.

[Danny Hyfens]

All right. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Staff Sergeant Reckless for your service. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for emailing us. Thank you, everyone. Emailed them the punishments. They're really funny. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Lord. Thank you, America.

[Craig]

Nice.

[Danny Kelly]

A Horse with no Name is a famous song.

[Craig]

You crushed that. That was great. You brought it all together.

[Danny Hyfens]

That was incredible. That was really funny.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a good song.

[Craig]

It's a great song.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry. Yeah, sorry for the whole George thing. I'm sure we got a lot of emails about that. I was kidding. George is not that athletic.

[Craig]

I was.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, in the ultimate scheme of things, he's not even remotely the most athletic dog ever. Right. He's just probably around average.

[Danny Hyfens]

If you see the meme of someone like, it's like a dog of on their screen. Like you're the people have the dog show on and they're looking at their dog and you're like, why can't you do that? And the dog grabs the remote and prints on YouTube and puts on the Olympics and it's like, why can't you do that, bitch?

[Danny Kelly]

Did you guys ever see the. The meme thing where it was like two people put their hands in and they have their dog sitting next to him and then the dog puts the hand on.

[Danny Hyfens]

He's trying to do that all weekend with my mother in law's dog. We spent all weekend trying to do that.

[Danny Kelly]

We tried it with George. It didn't work. He just looked at us like we were crazy, which I like the dog that, like attacks the hands. There's one that's just like. Those are the best.

[Danny Hyfens]

All right, goodbye, everyone.