Giants Week From Hell, Players Most Likely to Break Records in '26, and the 1897 Cleveland Spiders

Summary

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Episode: Giants Week From Hell, Players Most Likely to Break Records in ’26, and the 1897 Cleveland Spiders
Date: June 1, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This energetic episode kicks off with the "Week from Hell" for the New York Giants, shifts into a rich discussion of fantasy football's most unbreakable records and the 2026 players most likely to shatter them, and closes with a hilarious deep dive into the wildest baseball player names from the 1897 Cleveland Spiders. The hosts use their trademark blend of deep football analysis, sharp humor, and nostalgia for sports and pop culture.

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1. The Giants’ Week from Hell

[01:17–18:51]

Key Topics

• The Giants’ Meltdown During Heifetz's Wedding Hiatus:

  • Multiple pieces of bad news struck the Giants in the past two weeks while Heifetz was off the grid post-marriage.
    • Aaron Rodgers signed with the Steelers on Heifetz's wedding night.
    • Contract extension for GM Joe Schoen ("Joe Shane, the cuck chair GM got extended" - Heifetz, [03:00]).
    • Roy Robertson-Harris (defensive tackle) and Dexter Lawrence both lost to injury.
    • Malik Nabers, star rookie WR, had a knee cleanup surgery after major ACL and meniscus surgery—the team hopes he’s back by Week 1, but that’s far from guaranteed.

• Malik Nabers’ Injury Fallout:

  • Real concern that Nabers may never reclaim his rookie-year explosiveness.
  • "There's a chance this guy is never the same as what he was as a rookie." – Kelly, [03:30].
  • Giants’ WR depth now scary thin ("Are you already regretting Arvell Reese at 5? Should you have taken a wide receiver?" – Horlbeck, [04:02]).

• Locker Room, Off-Field, and Social Media Dramas:

  • Jackson Dart introduces Donald Trump at a rally, sparking online beef with teammate Abdul Carter and a flurry of memes—hosts note this is more distraction than anything that will impact on-field play.
  • "We're calling him J6 now instead of JD6." – Kelly, [05:23].
  • Giants players, notably Nabers and Cam Scadaboo, are highly "online," creating volatility.
  • "Michael Irvin stabbed the guy in the neck during training camp, and then no one even found out for years. Thank God the Bulls didn’t have the Internet." – Heifetz, [09:45].

• NYC Sports’ Emotional See-Saw:

  • The Knicks' run to the Finals is the only thing preserving New York fan morale.
  • "The Knicks being in the Finals has absorbed everything...there’s no Nets fans." – Heifetz, [15:32].
  • Extended Knicks lovefest—celebrating vibes and old-school chemistry ("This team is like the only team in the NBA that feels like a college team" – Horlbeck, [11:34]).

• Giants 2026 Outlook:

  • Worries over the lack of depth at offense and defense, especially after losing key d-linemen.
  • The seven and a half win total: all three hosts lean under, citing "horrific vibes right now" (Kelly, [18:14]).
  • New head coach John Harbaugh's impact is debated—Ravens fans were fine letting him go.

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2. Players Most Likely to Break Fantasy & NFL Records in 2026

[20:53–52:10]

Record-Breaking Candidates & Which Records Might Fall

All-Time Fantasy Seasons – Ladanian Tomlinson’s Touchdown Domination

[20:53–25:47]

• Ladanian Tomlinson’s 2006: "He averaged over two touchdowns a game...That’s fucking crazy." – Heifetz, [22:28].
• Nearly impossible to replicate due to positional usage shifts—no RB since has even come close.
• If anyone did: “Perfect situation...great talent, all the goal-line work, plus catches. Maybe a Jameer Gibbs or Bijan, but the modern NFL doesn’t do this anymore.” – Horlbeck, [23:06].

Single-Season Rushing Yards – Eric Dickerson’s 2,105

[25:47–31:37]

• Candidates: Derrick Henry ("proven volume and durability at 31, few backups around" – Kelly, [28:02]), Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon Barkley.
• Gibbs' issue: Detroit passes too much; Henry’s issue: now on the Ravens sharing with Lamar.
• “You just need more carries...These guys used to get almost 100 more carries than today’s stars.” – Horlbeck, [31:07].

Single-Season Receiving Yards – Calvin Johnson’s 1,964

[32:06–38:18]

• Most likely to fall soon; more “possible” than the RB marks, thanks to 17+ games and high-octane passing.
• Top candidates: Puka Nacua (“McVay’s a kingmaker”), Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson.
• "Puka is the all-time NFL leader in receiving yards per game." – Heifetz, [36:00].
• Puka’s ceiling enormous if healthy, but his playing style is reckless.
• Tyreek Hill very nearly beat Calvin’s record, but game scripts (blow-outs) limited his shot.

Single-Season Passing TDs – Peyton Manning’s 55 (2013)

[38:18–51:40]

• Candidates: Dak Prescott (Cowboys), Joe Burrow (Bengals), Matthew Stafford (Rams).
  • "If anybody can somehow beat 55 touchdowns, it’s probably Burrow or Dak, right?" – Horlbeck, [47:19].
• Surprising trend: These record years almost never translate to Super Bowls. Historically, the best shot belongs to a great QB with a suspect defense (to force shootouts).
• Stafford’s 2025: 46 TDs, 6th all-time (“MVP aged like wine!” – Horlbeck, [48:04]).

Single-Season QB Rushing Yards – Lamar Jackson’s 1,206 (2019)

[52:19–59:44]

• Still the standard. Jaden Daniels (Commanders) is the best shot ("He had 891 as a rookie...his scrambling is just in his nature" – Kelly, [54:32]).
• Malik Willis is a true deep sleeper if he gets the job.
• Jackson Dart proposed as an ultra-longshot dart throw—“He'd be a top 10 fantasy QB when he actually plays,” – Horlbeck, [59:11].

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3. Nostalgia, Wild Names & Listener Mailbag

[61:50–94:43]

• Segment Detour: Naming Forgotten NFL Players

  • In classic Ringer fashion, the hosts riff on late-2000s/2010s fantasy heroes and cult favorites ("He scored a touchdown by accident with his butt!" – Heifetz, on Ahmad Bradshaw, [62:02]).

• Mailbag Highlights

  • On holiday NFL games: One listener calls the “anti-holiday football” take “happy family privilege”; football is a family neutralizer, especially for those with complicated home dynamics ([68:53]).
  • Board games as family barometers: If someone loves board games, they must love their family.
  • Uno fights: The consensus "most aggressive board game" for family/relationship drama.
  • Who talks like a YouTube video in real life?: Multiple listeners nominate Sean McVay as the closest real-life “YouTube voice” ([72:44]).

• Charlie Pride: The Ultimate Sports-to-Music Multi-Hyphenate

  • A listener shares Charlie Pride’s wild journey: Negro League all-star, MLB hopeful, trade for a team bus, then country music Hall of Famer ([77:58–81:46]).
  • “He gets traded for a bus, goes to Montana to work in a smelter plant, hits .444, and sings the anthem before games—next thing, he’s a superstar artist” – (Summary)

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4. The 1897 Cleveland Spiders: All-Time Name Team

[82:15–94:43]

All-Time Great (Absurd) Baseball Names

• “This roster is all bangers, no skips!” – Horlbeck, [83:03].
• Notable names:
  • Icebox Chamberlain
  • Pretzels Getzien (“he could throw a double curve following the curves of a pretzel” – Kaley, [87:08])
  • Crazy Schmidt
  • Peekaboo Veach
  • Cinders O’Brien
  • Mortimer Hogan, Sock Alexis, Cowboy Jones, Jim Toy (and more)
• Extended bits on old nicknames, wild Wikipedia deep dives, and speculative team-building (“If this podcast was hosted by Sport McAllister, Pretzels Getzien, and Crazy Schmidt…” – Horlbeck, [89:11]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Heifetz on Ladanian Tomlinson’s 2006 season:
  "He averaged over two touchdowns a game...That’s fucking crazy." [22:28]
• On the Giants’ current drama:
  "I'm not convinced Malik Nabers is going to be ready week one. Even if he is—will he be himself?" – Kelly [08:18]
• NY Sports Mood:
  "I don't care about the Giants because the Knicks are in the Finals. It sucks all the vibes." – Heifetz [10:18]
• Stafford as MVP:
  "Stafford’s 46 touchdowns last year is the sixth most ever. That MVP aged like wine!" – Horlbeck [48:04]
• Baseball names bit:
  "Every single one, no skips. This is like the Katy Perry album, Teenage Dream—just banger after banger: Icebox Chamberlain. Cupid Childs. Pretzels Getzien..." – Horlbeck [83:03]
• Listener e-mails:
  "Anti-holiday game sentiment is happy family privilege." – Listener Scott [68:53]

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• Giants Week from Hell: [01:17–18:51]
• Record-Breaker Candidates discussion starts: [20:53]
  • Tomlinson's TD record: [21:32]
  • Dickerson's rushing record: [25:47]
  • Calvin Johnson/Receiving yards: [32:06]
  • Passing TD record: [38:18]
  • QB rushing yards: [52:19]
• Nostalgic name-combinations riff begins: [61:50]
• Listener mailbag (holiday games, Uno, Charlie Pride): [68:32–81:46]
• Cleveland Spiders & all-time great names: [82:15–94:43]

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Takeaways for Fantasy Listeners

• Most unbreakable records remain out of reach due to how NFL offenses are built—but the receiving yards record may be most ripe to fall.
• Giants fans: Lower your 2026 expectations. Depth and injury worries are real.
• Puka Nacua, Bijan Robinson, Jaden Daniels, and the Bengals/Cowboys QBs all have league-shifting upside.
• Don't underestimate nostalgia as both information and entertainment: the hosts' riffs on forgotten stars and absurd baseball names are part of the show experience.

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Tone & Style

The hosts banter with a blend of classic sports-nerd energy, irreverent humor, and a touch of sentimental nostalgia that keeps the show fun even as they tackle “serious” NFL fantasy topics.

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For Next Week

• "Email us with your Uno stories, weird old-timey names, and anyone else who talks in YouTube voice in real life."
• (And watch out for more record-breaker speculation, offbeat mail, and old-school baseball trivia.)

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Transcript

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[Danny Heifetz]

Welcome to the regular fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I am joined by Danny Kaley and Craig Horlbeck for our first episode from our regular studio setup. Since I got married, it's been like a couple weeks. The Giants completely imploded while I unplugged from the NFL. So we're going to get to that in a minute. Although you're listening to the yeah, go Nicks. Incredible. You're listening to this June 1st or whenever we put this episode up. We recording it May 26th. I the Knicks swept. So the Knicks have not played since. So there you go. Which one do you want to explain the stupid thing we're doing here with potential record breakers, but it's actually not stupid. I love it.

[Danny Kaley]

I can do that. Yeah, we, we looked at some of the all time legendary seasons in fantasy football. Ladanian Tomlinson, you know, basically records that feel like they're unbreakable but maybe actually not are not unbreakable. Especially now that we're going to 17 seeds, 17 game season, maybe 18 game season eventually. But yeah, we're going to look at those and then try and figure out who has the best shot to break those records in 2026 and why and maybe some dark horse options in those.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's like looking at the ceiling plays for guys this year if any of if we, you know, because sometimes not necessarily the best pick in fantasy is the one that you think could break a record. It's kind of like risk, reward. So we'll get into that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's like if someone came back from the future and was like hey, someone's going to run for 2,000 yards this year, who is it going to be? And it almost clarifies like the upside of a lot of the players and upsets what matters. So I want to start though. Watch. I guess we should start with the Giants imploding. Is this really last week tonight? Since people are going to listen to this in June. It happened like a week or two

[Danny Kaley]

ago at this point is riding too high off of this marriage thing after getting married.

[Craig Horlbeck]

If it's got married.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Aaron Rodgers signed with the Steelers the night of Hivetz's wedding. And then Jackson Dart introduces Donald Trump and Abdul Carter is tweeting about it

[Danny Heifetz]

and it's been great and also admitted all that Joe Shane, the cuck chair GM got extended a contract extension.

[Danny Kaley]

Roy Robertson, bigger chair.

[Danny Heifetz]

Roy Robertson. Exactly. It's a nice chair. He got a nice chair now for the corner, their defensive tackle, the other defensive tackle, not Dexter Lawrence who started all 17 games last year towards Achilles. And then it came out that Malik Neighbors got a cleanup procedure on his knee where he tore his ACL last year and his meniscus and then he got a cleanup procedure and they hope he's back for week one which is totally different than like the beginning of training camp. That all happened in like a five day period.

[Danny Kaley]

Ultimately, like we're laughing about the Joe Shane thing. Like the Jackson Dart Trump thing is a funny storyline that's going to dominate headlines for a little while while. But the Malik Neighbors news is actually by far the most impactful. Don't you think? Like there's a chance. This guy is never the same as what he was as a rookie.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jesus.

[Danny Kaley]

I mean I'm just saying. I'm saying what everyone else is also waiting. Right. Like his knee is kind of up. That's why he's have had. Has had these setbacks. Now Adam Schefter's like I don't know what I'm hearing. It's not great. Here's what I'm hearing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Here's the question. Heifets, are you regret. Are you already regretting ARVELL Reese at 5? Should you have taken a wide receiver now that if you don't have Malik Neighbors you're going to be trotting out this season with Darius Slayton for the ninth season in a row and Calvin Austin.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know if Darius Slayton's going to play. Is it. He'd have abdominal muscle surgery. He might not even be ready But Calvin Austin and Darnell.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Darnell Mooney.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. You know, it's funny that. You know who else. You know who was upset about the ARVL Reese pick? Malik Neighbors who bitched about it on a bleach report live stream. When the Giants took our recent five, he's like, we have our. We have. Have Abdul Carter for that spot. Which different position. Then they took.

[Danny Kaley]

What position is he going to play?

[Danny Heifetz]

Then they took Marino at 10 and he's like, I can't believe we didn't take Caleb Downs. And I'm like, shut the up, Malik. God damn it. Stop complaining.

[Danny Kaley]

Quit killing the mimes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fuck, man.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So, so hypitz. If you. If you had to quickly power rank the. The. The worst vibes news out of the Giants in the last two weeks. What's number one

[Danny Heifetz]

in the moment? It was kind of wild to see Dart come out and, like, introduce Trump. And then Abdul Carter is like, beefing with him on Twitter. And it's one of those where, wow,

[Craig Horlbeck]

you're gonna get political. Really? No, I'm saying neighbors cleanup surgery is not worse.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, that's. That's where I'm going. I'm saying that's the larger story, obviously. It also, like, everyone understands that, like, people disagree with them and everyone will move on from the dark thing. Like, it doesn't actually matter. I don't think he.

[Danny Kaley]

I will say, though, like, his nickname might last forever. We're calling him J6 now instead of JD6. By the way, Abdul Carter tweeted after, after, like, after saying this whole thing on Twitter about. I was like, what the hell, man? I thought this was AE or AI. He's like, what was that?

[Danny Heifetz]

Ae?

[Danny Kaley]

I don't know where that came from. AI.

[Danny Heifetz]

You ever heard Boris Johnson say AI? He's like, I. I was like, used to running.

[Danny Kaley]

He just says, I. I reads it, reads it then. And then Carter came back and said, don't worry, JD6 and I are good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We talked the media. You guys are out of control. It's like you tweeted it just in

[Danny Kaley]

lake in the social network. Just like J6.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's like, you guys gotta calm down. Media ran wild with this. Like, you literally tweeted, I thought this was AI. This sucks. It's like, what are we supposed to do?

[Danny Kaley]

Is it the Eric Andre meme where he's like, he shoots the guys who killed Hannibal.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who killed Hannibal?

[Danny Heifetz]

But that was also the dark thing, too. It's like one of the. It's not. It's obviously waiting to politic. It's not. It's a political version of when Baker Mayfield did all the progressive commercials after one season where it's like, Jackson Dart, like, you had like a couple good months. You couldn't stay healthy wading into politics when. And I mean, there's a difference between voting for Trump and like, introducing him.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I thought you were making fun, like, progressives versus conservatives. Like, Baker Mayfield did a progressive commercial.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, there we go. That's a good point.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And Dart is doing a conservative commercial.

[Danny Heifetz]

That would have been good. I wish I was smart enough for that. No, I just like, I don't know. It's like it is quite, I don't know any player just kind of doing that. Like, it is. You are. The idea that you're like, I can't believe my teammates didn't react to this well is like a little bit like naive.

[Danny Kaley]

Like, look, it's an incredibly divisive human being and you go out there on stage and introduce him.

[Danny Heifetz]

That is the divisiveness may or may not be the point, but I think the story that will actually, it's. It's not no one's. It will literally be more of a meme online with Scatter Boo and Dart than it will be impactful to the season. The Mike Neighbors knee issue is that will actually affect the Giant season. To Craig's point about is Darnell Mooney going to be starting for this team? Because not to get too in the weeds with knee injuries. Not like I'm a freaking doctor, but when you have acl, basically they wait two weeks for the swelling to go down to do the surgery. But when you have a meniscus, that also delays the surgery and also delays the recovery. So when you're like, oh, ACL meniscus, It's kind of just a line people read and then you forget to even include it. They're like, he tore his acl. He had a full. Malik Neighbors had a full meniscus repair as well. So he didn't get the surgery till almost Halloween. And then the fact that he's getting a cleanup in May is that mean what it was, it was to repair lingering stiffness, which you can fill in your own jokes there, but yeah, that's not good. Especially when four hours.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Consult your doctor.

[Danny Heifetz]

After four months, if it's still stiff, consult your doctor. And I guess that's what they had to do. But like, yeah, what is Malik Neighbor's whole thing going back to when he was a prospect? Man moves different.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Now there's, I think Harbaugh was saying they're hoping he can be ready to go by the beginning of the season. Like, it's always these updates where the timeline has moved so far back from what you were expecting that that gets really worrisome.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, now, I mean, you're looking at a Malik Neighbors who might not be ready, and even if he is ready, might not be fully himself. Week one, you have Cam Scatterable coming off a really brutal.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Injury to his foot ankle.

[Danny Kaley]

Don't worry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cam Scatter said he would run for 300 carries and have 2,000 yards.

[Danny Kaley]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You have Dart who got hurt every other game because he's making reckless decisions on the field and off the field. Now, perhaps a little bit in the media. This is. I. Are the Giants already. Is it already over? All the way back, I feel like. I feel like they were the Patriots. Everyone a month ago would have been like, who's the Patriots of this season? People would have bet the New York Giants. It's. We're recording this on May 26th. I think it's already over.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Patriots, a team that'll burn. Really, Right. And then get blown out and, like, just fizzle out in personal failure. No, I. There's a lot of big personalities in this team. I mean, you know what I mean? Malik Neighbors is. I mean, he was tweeting about coaches throwing games sometimes during the Lions law overtime game that the Giants played and then like deleted it immediately. Malik Neighbors tweets and live streams. Cam Scatter Boo is always live streaming, saying dumb shit like Abdul Carter tweets a lot. All these guys are really online. I still think athletes and everything now with athletes and what they say. It's just what I always go back to. Michael Irvin stabbed the guy in the neck during training camp, and then no one even found out for years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Thank God the Bulls didn't have the Internet.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, exactly. Imagine if Michael Jordan had a fucking burner. Can you imagine? Like, oh, my God, he's tweeting out like, the Bulls are a traveling cocaine circus or whatever and it's fucking burner. But no, it's just. It's a Giants of a lot. But I don't know. I'm a concerned. The defensive tackles Lawrence and Roy Robertson, Harris being gone like Thanos snap and then Malik Neighbors having the issue. Yeah, I'm a little concerned.

[Danny Kaley]

Question for you, High hits. Does the fact that the Knicks went are going to the finals smooth all this out? Like, tell me 100.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Danny Kaley]

Let's get some positivity going here.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They sucked all the good vibes from the Giants.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't give a.

[Craig Horlbeck]

First of all, we can actually talk about stars now. The Giants are dead, but who cares? The Knicks might win the final.

[Danny Heifetz]

So the nbf we could have to talk about this because the finals are June 3, Wednesday and this is going to come up Monday. I will say the Giant we recorded this Tuesday. Last night the Knicks beat the brakes off the Cavs. I have to say, I don't. I. Look, we'll see if the Knicks win the finals. Whether they do or not. I don't know if I've ever rooted for a team that has ever had as good of a stretch as they just did. Like that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They.

[Danny Heifetz]

They have. The Knicks just had the best point differential of any 11 game stretch in the history of the NBA regular season or playoffs. I understand that the east is a little weaker, but they did it during the playoffs, which is crazy. And they actually, I've never rooted for a team that absolutely broke the will of every team they played for three rounds in a row. They were up 50 points on the Hawks in the first half, which had never been done. Like they just absolutely obliterated the Sixers and they made the Cavs quit in every single game. I've never. I actually was so happy watching the Knicks play. We'll see what happens to the finals. But like they have stolen the will to compete from every team they played. It's fucking sick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They've won 11 straight. They. And their only two losses were by one point each to Atlanta.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So they've literally. They. Their only losses that have been by a combined two points and their wins are like by 600 or something. If you add up, the Knicks are cool because not only is like the celebrity row at Knicks games right now at MSG is so sick. It's like Stiller and Shalam and Spike Lee vibes are great there. And the Knicks themselves, I just feel like the Knicks are so likable and I the Carmelo Knicks, when they were kind of making around they. They were not that likable of a team. This team is like the only team in the NBA that feels like a college team. I know there's the whole Villanova thing, but like even outside of that, the way they play MSG just feels old school. I feel like I'm watching Oracle 15 years ago. It's just fucking awesome. And everyone seems like they're on the same page. They know their roles. It's just great vibes.

[Danny Kaley]

Craig. I was going to say the same thing as someone who is not plugged into the NBA at all. Like watching the crowd reactions that the Knicks do, I'm like, Damn, this is old 90s NBA where the just the feeling in the stadiums was electric. Obviously, maybe it still is, but whatever that. That's just how it felt to me. I was like, damn, this is like nostalgic watching the Knicks and like, Jalen Brunson is an amazing player. Like the things he does, I don't know, it's just a lot of fun to watch. And this is coming from someone who doesn't really know anything, but it's NBA.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Knicks. I love the Knicks too, because it is a reversion to almost a pre free agency era NBA where it's almost a reversion back to its chemistry and culture over this mercenary era of like, we'll just go and get that. No offense, Greg, but the Durant to the warriors and the idea we'll get a big three and everything. And then, I mean, look, honestly, Josh Hart and Brunson, they have the podcast called Roommates. You watch their press conferences and you see why they're succeeding where it's like they actually are friends and there's no like work awkwardness. Like the culture and like putting Towns into the culture of the Nova thing where they won a championship. You've seen Karl Anthony Towns have this like seriousness that frankly kind of lacked. I don't know. They're fucking awesome to watch. And I love everyone, I think loves this, but when a New York team is scrappy, I think that's kind of like everyone's favorite kind of team to watch. When you have an awesome offense that also is like out physical, like you're just more physical and you kind of want rebounds more than everyone. That's kind of the most fun team to root for. And yeah, they might get waxed in the finals, but if you're ever going to ask for a shot, when you get a sweep and you get nine days off and the Thunder and Spurs are beating the shit out of each other, then yeah, it's the Knicks might win the championship. Like that is. I never thought I'd say that my entire life.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Also, don't pretend like if the best player in the NBA was like, can I sign with the Knicks? That the Knicks wouldn't be like, yep. Like, you'd be like, they would never sign Kevin Durant.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

But Craig's like, how dare you? That's stray. I'm not gonna let that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't even need to respond because everyone knows how they Feel it's like. I'm just saying, like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm not saying it's cool that it happened, but, like, don't pretend as if who pick Jokic next year is like, can I go to the Knicks? That the Knicks would be like, it's not the right fit.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, of course not. But, like, put it this way. I don't put an asterisk on, like, the warriors titles, but when other people put half of one, I'm like. I don't even argue. I'm like, yeah, it was weird. That was weird that that happened.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can they also get an asterisk on the 20. 2016 loss or. No, that's not an asterisk.

[Danny Heifetz]

We didn't have Durant. Yeah, the asterisk is. You blew it. You know what? DK doesn't give a.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Because Draymond got suspended. There's no.

[Danny Heifetz]

Assaymond has ruined all benefit of the doubt. No, that's. That one. Absolutely not.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That was bub high fit and bogut incredibly injured. Okay. Yeah, no, we don't have to talk about that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. With that said. Anything else? All right, sorry. We just spent 10 DK's out here saying Malik Davis will never be the same. And you're upset that I talked about your team that won three titles nine years ago anyway.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They won four titles.

[Danny Heifetz]

Not a dynasty. The Record Breakers. I want to go through this.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Six finals in eight years. No, they aren't. Won four of them. What? You. Why did you say three? You didn't even mention the fourth. 2022 means nothing to you? Okay, that's the best one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Durant list. Why is that the best one anyway?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's the best one because Steph won an mvp. That's why the cemented the dynasty, in my opinion.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a dynasty. The. I want to go through this. And I do like this exercise because I think that we talk a lot about upside and it mattering, but I do think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So you're done with the Giants?

[Danny Heifetz]

We're.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're off the Giants.

[Danny Heifetz]

You tell me. Is there anything else? Oh, I guess to your point, I do think it probably helped. I do think the Giant stuff would be a bigger deal if the Knicks had been eliminated. Yeah, if they'd not made the playoffs. The Knicks being in the Finals has absorbed everything. Everything. Because there's no Nets fans. It's like New York has two hockey, two basketball, two baseball, two football. Like no one roots for the fucking Nets, man.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Let me ask you this. The New York Giants win total seven and a half. How do you feel about that right now?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that the rush to crown next year's Patriots has been really overrated for a variety of reasons.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I feel like I'm going to pick them to finish last in the NFC east

[Danny Kaley]

now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, because of which one? Neighbors.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, neighbors is a big deal. The interior defensive line. And now I'm just kind of like, oh, I think this offense might struggle much more than I. I thought it would be okay enough and Dart would progress in his second year enough to make this offense exciting and. And decent. And now I'm like, oh, this might be a real growing pain season once again. Just because of the lack of health on the offensive side of the ball.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm. It's not hard. Look, obviously the Giants could be good because I think Jackson darts good and even with the mobility, he can play from the pocket, and I'm convinced of that. Yeah, it's not hard to envision next offseason saying, well, you know, Todd. John Harbaugh really wanted Todd Monkin to be the offensive coordinator. And Todd Monkin led to Lamar's best seasons of his career and MVP awards. And then Todd Monkin got the Browns job and so they had to kind of scramble and hire Matt Nagy. And then they brought Greg Roman back and Greg Roman, you know what I mean? Greg Roman, Matt Nagy is the offensive staff. Brian Callahan. Should we be shocked that 2026 didn't go well with Malik Neighbors coming off this injury? It's not weird to me to think that the Giants would the overrated. I also think the idea of, well, who's this year's Patriots? And I'm like, this is the same thing to me as we need a Debo Samuel in this year's draft or we need a McCaffrey. You mean the thing that doesn't happen very often, like the Patriots. They could be this year's Patriots. The team that goes from worst place to has the easiest schedule in the NFL and makes a Super Bowl. Like that doesn't fucking happen all the time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, and I know I don't 12 games. I think it's more like, I mean, every year there is usually like, I don't know, the commanders the year before that. Like, there is usually. Every year there usually is a team that like, over exceeds expectations by four wins. That does usually happen once every year or two.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk, what do you think? Because when I look at the Giants, I just keep thinking about how everyone's like, patting the Giants on the back for the Dexter Lawrence trade, and I'm like, okay, well, I think they gave up a top five defensive lineman in the NFL for Maui Noah, who I like, but also like, that will be bad in 2026 before it's good later.

[Danny Kaley]

I still feel that he's also starting out at guard.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I'm like, they traded defensive tackle for a guard who is a herniated disc. I don't think that's a good September move.

[Danny Kaley]

I lean the under on seven. What was it? Seven and a half. Yeah, I lean the under. Sorry.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's. It's. I love that it's May. Ah, under. Sorry.

[Danny Kaley]

Vibes are horrific right now. We'll see how that changes going forward.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, the schedule of the Cowboys Week one, then they play the Rams and then the Titans, which is. Versus Brian Dable, which if you lose to that one, that, that, that one's kind of tough. And then the Cardinals are in Week four, which, God, if they better beat the Cardinals. But like,

[Danny Kaley]

yeah, the Harbaugh factor and like what. How big of an impact that makes is the thing that I'm grappling with and I'm not sure on.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's one of those where everyone's, everyone agrees that it's a great move. But. And no one ever, including us, really mentioned how much the Ravens fans were fine to let John Harbaugh go.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which is. We'll see. We'll see if he can prove him wrong.

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[Danny Heifetz]

tools all right, I want to get to this record breaker thing, which again is just the idea that like someone came back and told us this record's going to get broken this year and we'd be shocked. And I want to start with a record that we almost talk about, don't talk about enough in a player that I think doesn't get his flowers, if you will, which is Ladanian Tomlinson, who I'm curious what you think, Craig. I think Ladanian Tomlinson is the single best player from my childhood with the ratio is completely off and how much he's discussed. Ladanian Thompson is the best running back of my youth, period. And then Adrian Peterson replaced him. But I feel like you hear about Agent Peterson all the time. You hear about Barry Sanders, even Walter Payton. Tomlinson just gets erased even though he averaged a touchdown a game for like nine years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

100% agree. He is the reason I think I fell in love with fantasy football was LT he I had a the first jersey I ever bought which makes no sense was a number 21 Chargers jersey just because.

[Danny Kaley]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Because he was just like the fucking coolest. He was throwing touchdowns, catching touchdowns and running touchdowns all in the same game.

[Danny Kaley]

I mean, great touchdown celebration.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, the visor flip. Yeah, the visor. He looked awesome. I think he's why I think 21 is the coolest running back number that 2006 season. Let's go through it. He had 455 fantasy points, which if you it's easier to understand what that means in terms of fantasy points per game. 28. 28 points per game. Lt was putting up on average chain on. He ran for 1800 yards, 28 touchdowns. He, he, he had another 500 yards receiving. He caught three touchdowns and then he threw two more. So he 33 total touchdowns that season.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's fucking crazy. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, there was no more guarantee inside the red zone than LT will score in some fashion.

[Danny Heifetz]

He averaged over two touchdowns a game.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Think about, think about how many people in that year had him and didn't win their fantasy league. Like 12%.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Like, how could you not win with that guy on your team?

[Danny Heifetz]

This is the one that's going to be the hardest to break. Like, the idea, like, honestly, that's really the answer. Dk, what you just said, which is, I don't know if there will ever be a season like this where the gap between the dating Tomlinson and the next best player is like, you basically were automatically in the finals if you drafted the dating Thomas. Like, the league was over with the first pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No one's really even gotten close. That's the thing. Like, it would be. It. It pretty much has to be a running back. If you look at, I went through and I looked at like the best fantasy performances, removing quarterbacks over the last, like 20 years, the top 18, 17 of them are running backs. The only, the only one is Cooper cup, who is seventh, which is extremely impressive. So it would have to be a running back. And it really has to be a blend of like, they're clearly the best player on the team. They have a great situation, the red zone. There's like no one else but them. I mean, like, Jonathan Taylor was on a tear a little bit last year, but even he was not on an LT pace. I don't know what we'd have to see if, like, you know, David Montgomery's gone in Detroit for, like, Jameer Gibbs to just become an absolute maniac. But I almost think like, the, the Lions pass too much. And it's just remarkable that somebody like LT was able to do this in a season. It doesn't make. 33 touchdowns is ludicrous.

[Danny Kaley]

The crazy thing about his season, so he had 31 touchdowns on not throwing, right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

And that came the year after Sean Alexander set the record for most touchdowns ever, which was 28 at the time.

[Danny Heifetz]

This used to be a thing when Craig and I were kids and dk, you were older. Like it. This was the record that fell every year was the rushing touchdown record. It was Priest Holmes did it and then it was Sean Alexander and then you got 2003, and then Sean Alexander did it and then Ladan Thomas did it and then just put it away. But like, that record was in pace every year and you heard about it every week and it wasn't like hyperbole. Like, you actually would count up a running back whether they could do it and you kept track and then they would break the record, which I just feel like doesn't happen anymore.

[Danny Kaley]

Well, that was the golden eight. I mean, if you look at it. I'm looking at the records now. If it's in. Priest Holmes did it in 2002 and 2003. That set new records for most touchdowns. Marshall Falk had the record in 2000 for 26 total touchdowns. So, yeah, it was. It was like the early 2000s were the true golden age. Especially like in fantasy of running backs where they're just scoring a ton of touchdowns. Teams are not using any other guys.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Quarterbacks didn't run. Like, the problem is Derrick Henry is a name that I would have thought of as the guy who could break this. But I'm like, even. Just. Even though Lamar is not. Doesn't run quite the same as he used to. Like, just because of that, I don't think Derek Henry is going to have. Could get to 28 touchdowns. But also, Derek Henry doesn't catch any passes. It's really unique that LT was able to run that many and still be, like, really good in. In the. LT had a season with a hundred catches. I believe, like, he could do everything.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's insane. And it's all. And the thing about Derrick Henry doing it is the truth is Derek Henry's not a great short yardage back, which is the funniest part. Is he really, like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah, we got into that.

[Danny Heifetz]

We've talked about that. But, like, get him before the head of steam. He's like Saddam Hussein statue just toppling. Just like the dictator statue.

[Craig Horlbeck]

If there's one yard to gain. Like, I would rather give the ball to 20 other guys than Derek Henry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Honestly, Derrick Henry has so much in common with LeBron James. He's not like the greatest of all time in this sport, but the way that they age is incredible. They're clearly different. Like, Derek Henry could go on and on, and the jokes about LeBron going on forever, and yet if you had a free throw to win a game, like, I actually wouldn't pick LeBron. I might pick four or five other players on his team every year other than LeBron. And Derek Henry's the same way. I'm like, I don't know if I want him to do this right now. But I will say I think the more likely thing than the dating Thomas in the total fantasy points, which I don't know if will ever be broken, is the Eric Dickerson has the rushing yards record still for it's like 2105 yards. Saquon kind of could have gotten a couple years ago in 17 games and he didn't really go for it. Nine guys have hit 2000, which if you're being honest, 2000 yards is almost the number. Hitting 2K is cool, and then the Rocket record would be cool, but it's almost like gravy. And I was the list of guys who could hit 2,000 yards feels robust. Like, like there are a lot of guys that could do it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're in a good spot right now with running backs. I think you could realistically say that. Jameer Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, especially now that Algier and David Montgomery are gone. Jameer Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, Derrick Henry, Saquon McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, I think all those guys could hit 2000 and I wouldn't be shocked. You could probably even add a couple more. But I think those are like the first tier.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, it's so funny. I was going through the list, dk, I don't know if you want to stump for the old guys. I was going through the list here and I was like, Derek Henry had the 11th most rushing yards in a season ever two years ago. I know, like, he had 19. He almost, Derrick Henry almost had 2,000 yards a second time in 2024.

[Danny Kaley]

He is the perfect example of a modern era running back who gets used like an old school era running back in terms of just they're not afraid to feed him the rock at all. I mean, I looked at just the past five years in terms of running back carries per game, and Derrick Henry owns the top two. Obviously he averaged 27 carries a game in 2021. 20, almost 22 carries a game in 2022. He also is number nine and number 18 on that list. Last year he averaged 18 carries a game. I think if you look at what the only, the only issue with Henry that I see right now is that he's on the same team as Lamar Jackson, who's going to run a lot, but if they decide not to run him or try and switch the way that they're going to play him, and basically he's not part of the designed run game quite as much anymore. I feel like Henry has a really good shot at this because he's. The proven volume, the proven durability at volume, the breakaway speed, the type of offense that you want to be in. His backups right now are Justice Hill and Rashid Ali. Like, they're not going to give heavy carries to those guys. Those guys, I think, are changing pace, guys, at best. So Derrick Henry, to me, looks like one of the favorites. I think if you're leaning towards anyone else in this list, it would be Jonathan Taylor, which I know is not, like, really breaking news. Yeah. Because same deal. They're in a. They're in a offense that wants to be balanced. They want the. The run game to be the foundation of what they're doing. They're going to do. They're going to go into the season looking to protect Daniel Jones, and Daniel Jones doesn't run nearly as much as Lamar Jackson. And. And I mean, Taylor, 20, 22 carries per game almost in 2024. 20 carries per game in 20, 21, 19 carries per game last year. So he's up there 18 to 20, 21 carries per game, and he again, has almost no competition. It feels like giddens and Seth McGowan.

[Danny Heifetz]

The way I look at it is like you almost have to build your way up to get there. And it's like Jonathan Taylor led the league in carries last year. And the idea they did have like, 500 more yards this next year than like, last year after an offseason. Well, their.

[Danny Kaley]

Their offense fell apart halfway through.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, through week 10, he was on pace for 1900 yards.

[Danny Heifetz]

And he was. And he was. Again, the fact that Taylor didn't reach 20 touch. He was going to be the first running back to get to 20 touchdowns, never mind 30 in, like, forever. But I, I guess I. It's just a Rorschach test in how you look at the Colts. I just look at the Colts as a team declining. I don't think they're going to be as good as they were in September and October of last year. And I do think that Colts team probably peaked with Jonathan Taylor having 50 fantasy points running, like, honestly, like 20, 24 Saquon against three touchdowns a game.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Like, he was having. He had three. He had three hat tricks in the first half of the season. That probably won't happen again. I look at it more as, like, skating where the puck is heading. Bijan Robinson or Jameer Gibbs. And I love Jir Gibbs, but. And even though I have Gibbs still ranked kind of first for fantasy season. But if you're talking about 2,000 rushing yards, I kind of think it'd be Bijan and I look at Bijan Robinson as a guy. Like they have Brian Rob, they have Brian Robinson, which is going to be annoying all season to have two B Robinsons. Yeah, but I kind of just think If Bijan gets 80 plus percent of the carries, I wouldn't really be shocked because he has like everything you need at a running back. And I wouldn't be shocked if he shot at 2000. Like I could just see him just kind of going for it because I could. He could have multiple 200 yard games.

[Danny Kaley]

Who's the dark horse?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think Henry at 31. Oh, Genti.

[Danny Kaley]

Genti is an interesting one. Yeah, I'm looking at James Cook. I know that he led the NFL in rushing last year, but like in that offense they don't, again, they don't have a ton of competition. Can he just do a Chris Johnson style 2000 yard season and surprise everyone?

[Danny Heifetz]

James Cook leading the NFL in rushing yards and we like wouldn't even consider him. Probably does make him. He has to be the dark horse.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You just kind of, you honestly need a lot of carries. Like the problem is it's just rare that these guys are getting more than like 300 carries these days. There was four players last year who had over 300 carries. When you're looking at all these all time seasons, these guys had like 343, 70, 390. Like they are getting almost 100 more carries than everyone nowadays, even though they're playing an extra game now. So you really have to kind of. That's why Genti, to me, you have to game it out and think like who could truly get 320, 340, 360 carries this season.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean the final. Just to Saquon, the year that he had 2,000 yards and the Eagles made the Super Bowl. Won the super bowl. Saquon had 60 carries in the final two games. Like he literally had 29 for 150. And then he had 31 carries for 167. And then for the final week of

[Craig Horlbeck]

the season, like James Cook led the league in rushing last year, 1620 yards, but he only had 309 carries. So it's like he was running for over five yards a clip. Yeah, but you just, just need more carries to get to. He needed 400 more yards.

[Danny Heifetz]

So that kind of leads into the next conversation here, which is the receiving yards record, which is Calvin Johnson with 1964. And he did that 20 I mean, I think first of all, the leaderboard, I think it's. We're gonna, like, who could do this next? Well, the top two players on the list are Matt Stafford. Guys, It's Calvin Johnson. 2012 Cooper Cup, 2020, 21 Triple Crown. So it's like puka. Yeah, puk is probably the answer here. Stafford's got the top two marks ever for receiving yards.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's also pretty crazy if you flip it to the coaching. If you look at five of the 10 best fantasy performances of the last 15 years. So the five of the top 10 the last 15 years have come from Sean McVeyer, Kyle Shanahan.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, yeah, there's a. And think about. There's thousands of fantasy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Thousands. And five of the top 10 are Kyle Shanahan and Sean McDonald.

[Danny Heifetz]

If you pull up that list, you can add even more, because if you count Kevin o' Connell from that tree, that's a Justin Jefferson season or two. And if you count Clint.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Goodbye, he's not there. Jefferson. No, I'm saying of the last 15 years.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The quite remarkable. I, I.

[Danny Heifetz]

The receipt. Well, the receiving one's funny because it's been a shift. Because, I mean, Jackson, it sounds. I know. It sounds to say to me, like, who could break the receiving yard? Well, I mean, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba was like 150 off last year. Like, he had the 8th most yards ever in a season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tyree Hill was close a couple years ago. He was sniffing around 8 of the

[Danny Heifetz]

top 16 marks ever for receiving yards are by active players, which I think is interesting. Like, literally half of the top 16 receiving yards ever are active players. And then. But what's interesting about it is it started with what you were saying about rushing guys, like volume, where it's like, Calvin Johnson, he had like, 770 routes the year that he had the most receiving yards ever. And, like, that happens. But then, like, Tyree Kill kind of came close on, like, 500 routes. Tyreek Hill, like, the efficiency's gotten crazy. And that's what's happened. So Jackson, Smith and Jigba, and basically yards per route run is going up as more tight ends are on the field, which is a whole thing. But basically Pukinakua and Jackson, Smith and Jigba, basically, when you're passing and there's multiple tight ends on the field, you're getting bigger plays out of it. And so that's kind of what's happening. And so this one, actually, I think, is the. Of all the things we're talking about I think a 2000 yard receiver is the most possible and I, I think it's the typical people. I think it's Puka if he gets has his head on straight JSN or honestly Jamar Chase. I actually those are the guys that I think if you told me one of these fell I think one of those guys would get 2,000 yards before these other records happen. Yeah, I agree.

[Danny Kaley]

For me the Puka Nakua one is just sort of obvious. It's combination of Sean McVeigh who is a proven kingmaker and Matt Stafford who is a proven kingmaker. Just the way that those two guys, the way that they play the game and coach the game like we know with McVeigh he's. He likes trusts. If he trusts someone he's going to feed that person. It's going to be a funnel offense through that person. We saw that for years with Kyron Williams. We see that with Cooper cup, we see that with all the receivers. In addition to the fact on on the Rams the hive you kind of poked at this a little bit but it was with the two tight end and three tight end sort of formation stuff that the, the Rams are doing. When you have two type if you have two receivers out there that those two guys are more likely to get the ball at a higher rate because they're not. There's not competition from the slot receiver or whoever. So it's just they're going to feed Pukinakua. He's going to be a huge part of this offense obviously. And then if Devonte Adams gets hurt, I mean all bets are off. Pukinakua could have an all time season at receiver.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There was a great piece in fantasypoints.com about the the upside of drafting wide receivers on teams that primarily run two wide receiver sets versus three and just the raw numbers of of target volume when there are just two wide receivers in the field versus two that I recommend. I think it was Ryan Heath but I could be wrong. Go check that out. But I do agree Puka despite the off season problems probably by low like if you actually look at last year Jackson, Smith and Jigba did lead the league in receiving yards. But Puka led the league in receiving yards per game. He missed a game.

[Danny Heifetz]

Puka is the all time NFL leader in receiving yards per game. Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He averaged 107 last year which would have paced for over 1800 yards. So probably is him would be first pick. I think you always have to throw in Jamar chase. He had 1700 yards two years ago. I Fucking love him. He should probably be my one on one. It's an even year for the Bengals, so we know that's going to be big. And then I feel like Justin Jefferson with Kyler Murray, there's like an outside chance that like you know, DeAndre Hopkins first year with Kyler was huge. It was like the best year of DeAndre's career, like 1500 yards. There's a world in which that works and it's just like three flies up with Kyler Murray and Justin Jefferson. Those are probably my top three. Jsn, I'm a little worried that with the Kubiak exit that I totally agree

[Danny Heifetz]

and I think it's worth knocking JSN a notch below just because when you're nitpicking at the best players like, well, one of them lost their play caller and one still is Sean McVeigh or one still is. You know what I mean? That is a difference. The Puka thing, what do you think? I feel like Puka almost is like the receiver version of me of Christian McCaffrey in that I've talked about this a lot. But Christian McCaffrey I do think is the most boom bus player of all time. Like he's basically won you your league or made you the finals three or four the last eight years and the other four years he ruined your season. Puka feels like he could be that this year where it's like he could get hurt because he has no sense of self preservation. Stafford could hurt his back. And clearly the Rams are worried about Stafford's back a little because they took Ty Simpson. Like there's but and obviously Puka is having a bizarre off season and like maybe he's not so locked in, but every week that Puka plays locked in and everyone's healthy, he's probably the number one receiver in all fantasy football like every single week and could break all these records. And so if you are like, well the only. I don't care about a last place punishment. I just want to win my league. You could argue Puka should be the first pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. 19. 1964 feels very breakable. I'm surprised it hasn't been broken. Yeah, I think it will.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's why I talk about it a lot. I think players want again. Tyree Kill really kind of had a better season than Calvin Johnson did a couple years ago. Like in 2023, Tyree Kill averaged almost 50% more yards per route than Calvin Johnson did. But the Dolphins were winning by so much that they just stopped past. The Dolphins had The fewest pass attempts in the fourth quarter that year, but the Lions had the most that season because the lines were always losing, which is also part of it, where you're like, well, who's going to be losing? It needs to play. That's where I'm like, the Bengals or the Cowboys shootouts.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I look. I mean, the next one here we have Peyton Manning, like, basically passing touchdowns, passing yards, which is both the 2013 Broncos with Peyton Manning. And that one I look at is maybe that one's in a range where it's like, what if Dallas's defense sucks and Dak Prescott is on another level? You know what I mean? Or the Bengals, like, if. What if Joe Burrow and. And Chase and Higgins, like, Burrow and Dak are the only ones where I'm kind of like, maybe those guys could make it, but I don't know. Okay. Before we move on, though, from Calvin Johnson and the, like, the receiving yards record, I want to just take a moment to talk about Calvin Johnson because I think he's the coolest player I ever saw play football. Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

An alien. A Megatron.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And he is, for how good he was. Not that famous, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Kind of like the Barry Sanders of receivers, honestly, the best I've ever saw with my own two eyes. And then he just retired.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, and like, kind of like Tim Duncan, he just kind of disappeared. He's not really do. He doesn't do media. He's not like, on espn, you don't really see a lot of Calvin Johnson, which I think is even like just his last name being Johnson. And dude, there was that TikTok that was like the funniest thing I've seen a long time and is a really difficult example of the place where we are in the world right now. This kid was watching highlights of staffer on the Lions, and he kept throwing touchdowns at Calvin Johnson. His kid was like, yo, who is 81?

[Danny Kaley]

Earnestly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He like, zoomed in. He's like, johnson, who is this guy? This guy's huge.

[Danny Heifetz]

This guy catches every guy's pretty good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm like, holy shit. Are we at the point where young kids don't know Calvin Johnson was.

[Danny Kaley]

Yes, we are, Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

Calvin Johnson's literally like the word prototype. I think of Calvin Johnson just not even like, receiver. I just think of prototype. Calvin Johnson is the prototype for the word prototype.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What is. Do you. What is your guys's version of that to your parents? You think where you're like, what's his name?

[Danny Heifetz]

Newman.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And he was in movies oh, do

[Danny Heifetz]

you know he makes Oreos now? Paul Newman is Numinos or whatever.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, they're already.

[Danny Heifetz]

My friends are telling me they're better than Oreos. Oh my, my friendship. I don't believe that. But I mean either. He said that Oreos will taste like sunscreen once you have a numino.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh God.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I was like, ok, true.

[Danny Kaley]

I tried the Newman's own Fig Newtons. They're not as good as the real

[Danny Heifetz]

Craig, you're saying, but Craig's your version of like, what is the thing that's insulting to. Because it's not like Jordan's worse than LeBron. Like, that doesn't count. It's the second best. It's like, who's. Like, you didn't even know who this guy was.

[Danny Kaley]

I think for, for me it would be like someone like Lawrence Taylor or something. If you go back and you're like, cuz I can't. I don't. I didn't watch Lawrence Taylor games growing up. Like, really? And if I went back and I didn't really like know who he is, I think I'd be like, wow, this guy was really good. Holy. Or the guy from the packers, the, the edge rusher who did the hump move and I'm blanking on it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Reggie White.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, Reggie White would be another one that I'm like, damn, this guy is freaking good. Who is this guy?

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I think the answer probably now, the answer probably now is like, I feel like Gen Z. Do they know who Joe Montana is? Because Joe Montana was Tom Brady before

[Danny Kaley]

Tom Brady, by the way. We were, we were doing a crossword puzzle, Skippy and I. And the question was, where is Tony Montana from? And Skippy thought it was Joe Montana that we were talking about.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kaley]

And I was like, it's Cuba. And she's like, he's from Cuba.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's so my version of that is. I always confuse Fred Durst and Robert Durst.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which always makes it really awkward. No matter.

[Danny Kaley]

Very different vibes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How often are you talking about Fred or Robert Durst for that?

[Danny Heifetz]

When the jinx was on all the time. So

[Danny Kaley]

what is your, what's your lasting impression of. Do you have one play in mind for Calvin Johnson? Because for me, unfortunately, I hate to say this, it's that play. He caught the ball and then ran into the net. And they called it a no catch. And it was like this big controversy of the catch rule.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was like, that was bad.

[Danny Kaley]

That's my, my la. Unfortunately, one of my lasting memories of Calvin Johnson is just him running into the. The. The net that goes behind the crossbar or like, you know, the kicker or whatever that.

[Danny Heifetz]

That Lions fans hate that one. I think there was. He had a hail. Not a Hail Mary. He had a catch against the Bengals, where I think they were. It kind of looked like what DeAndre Hopkins Hail Mary became with the Hail Mary where Calvin Johnson basically, like, was quadruple covered in the end zone. And he just caught it all over, like, over four different. Like the entire Bengals secondary. And I was watching it live and I had him on my fantasy team that year. And I remember, like, it was like the. I don't think I can die. Like, I actually. I don't know if I have this job if I didn' Calvin Johnson on my fantasy team. And like, like, when I was like, you know, in 2012, I shared a

[Danny Kaley]

screenshot of Calvin Johnson lighting up wide and there's two Saints guys just directly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, that's an all time screenshot. He's so true. And he looks like their older brother.

[Danny Kaley]

He's gonna win that rep too, for sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah. That is amazing, dude. Yeah, it's. It's too bad because I think Wembanyama has stolen all attempts at hyperbole forever between Wemby and Otani.

[Danny Kaley]

I don't really like parody.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, it's. But Calvin, it felt like he was Wemby before Wemby, and he ran like

[Danny Kaley]

a 43 at that size.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's the biggest freestyle.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he. He was. He was basically the. What if the tallest player in football

[Craig Horlbeck]

was the fastest and also like the most coordinated and strong and smooth.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, he was. Yeah, it's everything you say about Prime LeBron was kind of applied to Calvin, but then his. But then you also Google his fingers.

[Danny Kaley]

He's modern day Bo Jackson.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. God, the Lions. Okay, anything else on any other Calvin or while we're at it, anything else about Tomlinson or any of the other guys who discussed anything, just do yourself

[Craig Horlbeck]

a favor and go watch that video of that kid not knowing who Calvin Johnson, who is 81, this guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us the best version of that. I want to know what's something our version of, like, we're like, who is that guy?

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, it's probably Jerry Rice. Like, if you're watching old 49er games, you're like, who is this guy?

[Danny Heifetz]

But he's there. Like, you know, he's very famous with Niners of games. He's like, always on the sideline. I feel like I don't know he's

[Craig Horlbeck]

on TV all time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. I feel like he's. I don't know. I feel like. Like, I don't know. Who's the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think. I mean, you could argue it's Tim Duncan.

[Danny Kaley]

Dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

It probably is Tim Duncan. They're like, who's that guy whispering to Popovich during the spurs game?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, who's that guy? With an old guy. Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

But D. And he's. The dread of flashy, though. He was the most. He was like, bank shots. Like, the only thing I think of with Tim Duncan is bank shots.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, but, like, you're like, who's that guy? You're like, oh, Tim Duncan, who won five.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He won two MVPs.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think, you know, one shy of Jordan.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, maybe for kids. I mean, it's tough when you just start going back in time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Duncan's a good one. Duncan's good because he's on TV and people. And also, he didn't play with the dreadlock, so he looks genuinely differently now. So they're probably like, who is that guy?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, Duncan's probably the answer.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, the next one here we're talking about again, if you kind of someone came from the future, it's like this record got broken. Like, who would have done it? And it's the Peyton Manning 2013 season with the Broncos, where he had 55 touchdown passes and almost 5,500 passing yards.

[Danny Kaley]

How'd that go in the super bowl, by the way?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, you go, what do you finish dead last? No. Yeah. Yeah, he had a good season.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Seahawks having two different Super Bowls that kind of from the jump, were just, like, just destroyed.

[Danny Kaley]

Dominant. The two of the more boring Super Bowls on. If you're not a Seahawks fan, the

[Danny Heifetz]

only way you can enjoy a football game, which is if your team just starts dominating immediately. Kind of like the Knicks. The Knicks is fun to watch because I don't want to pull my hair out the entire game.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But. But even then, even when your team is killing the other team, it's still not that fun because there's 1% of you that's like, if this could be the worst.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the Falcons. The Falcons ruined it. I literally was. I was about to start posting on, like, blue sky about this Knicks game, and I was like, oh, what if they blew up by 20? Before we even talk about who could do it this year, I want to just mention Peyton Manning. This 2013 season. The thing that always just, like, stops my tracks is the idea that the Colts cut Peyton Manning because he had this neck injury to Draft Andrew Luck because they got the first pick when Peyton Manning missed the year. And then at the outcome of all that was Andrew Luck functionally played like 29 or 30 total games after Peyton Manning retired. Like Peyton Manning retired and Angela basically had two seasons after Peyton man retired. Which always just blows my mind considering Andrew Luck was basically as good as we thought he'd be and he barely outplayed Peyton Manning time wise.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's, it's funny to look at the manning season when 55 touchdowns, he was 37 years old and, and second place, most touchdowns thrown in NFL history is Mahomes in his first NFL season, which just like that is so fucking funny that Mahomes was 23 through for 50 and then Manning at 37 through for 55. I already, I think overlook the fact that fact that Mahomes in his first season as a starter just threw for the second most touchdowns ever.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is why I'm over and over and I will. If I am wrong, I'm wrong. But this is why I think Brady might be serious about Fernando Mendoza not playing his first season. Because Patrick Mahomes will be one of the first people to tell you he wouldn't have thrown 50 touchdowns and played as a rookie. Like, you know what I mean? Came up. But no, the Mahomes entry, I remember like that was my first season working at the ringer. Or I guess, well, no, actually I guess I'm wrong. But like, I just remember when everyone started talking about Muhammad, I was like, come on, he can't keep this up. This has never happened before.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, of course the answer, the answer is, is if anybody can somehow beat 55 touchdowns, it's probably Burrow or Dak, right? It's these like high octane offenses with bad defenses. Burrows thrown 43 before. You have great wide receivers. These guys are not running. Like that's probably. And maybe Stafford. It's probably Burrow, Dak and Stafford.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, well, I mean Stafford, if you look at last year, did you know, did you realize this? I. I don't know if I realized this, that Stafford's 46 touchdowns last year is the sixth most ever. Number six on the list. The other guys are Peyton Manning in 2013, Patrick Mahomes as we mentioned, Tom Brady in 2007, Peyton Manning again in 2004, Rogers in 2020, and then Breeze and Stafford at 46, that MVP aged well already.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh my God, it aged like wine.

[Danny Heifetz]

Incredibly well. Yeah, incredibly well. Kind of like, like. Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

I'm looking at this list though, and to me the thing that kind of stands out is for that Manning year and for the Mahomes year, it was like off and then the Brady year. So the, the three guys that have thrown 50 touchdowns, it was like offenses that the NFL just wasn't ready for, offenses that they just had no answer for. And you know, with Manning it was a lot of like spread stuff and he just had an incredible skill player, collection of talent. I mean it was Damaris Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker and Julius Thomas.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

And obviously with Mahomes it was like we just haven't really ever seen the type of offense they were running with Brady, the 2007 offense was legendary High Fitz, you could get a snipe in there if you want. How'd that super bowl go?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's funny that all. When is the. If you go down this list of passing touchdowns, when did somebody actually win the Super Bowl? Manning? No. Mahomes? No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Brady?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mostly because the offense defense was championships. And so if you're throwing that much, it's probably because your defense isn't awesome because you're not really icing games. And that's why I do think those three teams are Rams, Bengals, Cowboys. Because I think those are the only three teams that fit into the Venn diagram of could they conceivably do it with the quarterback and talent? Yes. Would they actually do it if they could? Because like even some teams there's too much. Like the Bills maybe would. Josh Allen maybe is capable of that maybe in his best year. But the Bills running is too much of their identity to even try. Whereas like the Bears with Ben Johnson, even if Caleb Williams became Aaron Rodgers, he wouldn't want it. Like the Bears want to run too much. I think the Bengals, Cowboys and Rams, like again, Sean McVeigh basically decided Devonte Adams was the goal line back last year. Like a lot of those are one yard touchdown, like 13 one yard touchdowns. So I do think those three teams would try. I think the question is who's gonna have the shittiest defense. I think the bank.

[Danny Kaley]

That's what I was just looking at. I was literally just looking up who has the worst defense that could have a good, a good offense. Dallas.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dallas.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah. Dallas is kind of number one on that list. Cincinnati, as you mentioned Washington. But that's not probably going to happen.

[Danny Heifetz]

I could see the Bengals doing. I could. I think the Bengals are going to win that division. I was starting to look after the schedule and looking at everything. I kind of think the Bengals are going to win the AFC North I could see the Bengals winning a lot of games.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's an even year.

[Danny Heifetz]

I also think Dallas is also the kind of team that could take a leap for the not just sexy version of like Pickens and CD but the offensive line's so young and a unit like that can take a big step forward very quickly if everyone develops together. And like if the Dallas offensive line, you suddenly look up and you're like, wait, is that a top five offensive line? When's Dallas offensive line? What did that get better than Philly? But if that were to happen, then yeah, I could, I could see Dallas having, I could see Dak having a crazy, crazy year, but probably not 55 touchdowns. But I don't know. I think Cowboys and Bengals are. Could be that mix of offense and scary. The Giants are not better than Dallas. Okay. Anything else on nostalgia? Peyton Manning. Manning really got mogged by Brady.

[Danny Kaley]

That was a great year by Manning. I remember watching that offensive just being in awe. It was so much fun to watch. And it still holds like still the the highest scoring team ever.

[Danny Heifetz]

I did he. I think Peyton came out through seven touchdowns in week one.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, I mean they just dice people up. It was crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

And again he couldn't. I, I, we joked about this the other day. He, Peyton couldn't really throw that well.

[Danny Kaley]

Like it was all, it was like it was all what he was doing before the snap. That's the cool part of it. Worst part of his game, identifying matchups and picking it apart.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Literally like by far the worst part of his game was throwing footballs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it was a weird group too. It's like I feel like all the guy other than Wes Welker, I guess Demaris Thomas was pretty good. But it's like Eric Decker had a weird career. Julius Thomas had a weird career. Even like the running backs. I'm like, no. Sean Moreno was that, was he the running back on that team? C.J. anderson, who was was weird. It was like none of those guys were truly elite. You know, they were all good players, but it was all just like Manning playing chess out there.

[Danny Kaley]

Four guys with 10 plus touchdowns.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then Adam.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Adam Gase gets the head coach job for the jets because he's like I helped Payton with on that assignment.

[Danny Kaley]

Was he the O.C.

[Danny Heifetz]

i don't think you did very much. Yeah, I think, I don't think you did very much, Adam. Okay, the next one here we just said we put, we wanted to put rushing yards by a quarterback because it feels different. Lamar Jackson, 2019. Which DK that was basically the first thing you ever did this podcast was you bang the drum for people to draft Lamar Jackson all off season 2019 and runs for 1200 yards. Which just to put that in, I mean first of Lamar 2019 won the MVP unanimously youngest unanimous MVP I think since Jim Brown. Also, Lamar literally averaged the most fantasy points per game of any quarterback in any season like ever for 2019. And he went as like what he was a 10th, 11th, 12th round fantasy pick. So he's probably one of the best fantasy picks ever. But just to put the 1200 yards in context, no one got halfway there last year. Josh Allen had the most rest for quarterbacks last year at like 5, almost 580, which is not halfway to what Lamar actually did. So I this it is just Lamar himself who could do this. And like maybe Malik Willis. But even that's kind of in theory.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, I think Malik Willis is like a really interesting and fun sleeper for fantasy this year. I think he has the potential to just be a elite, elite fantasy player because of his running and he's really fast, really explosive and they don't have that many weapons in the passing game. So you might end up running a ton. I think we're kind of overlooking Jaden Daniels a little bit here. He feels like to me a buy low or whatever the post type sleeper designation here just because when he was a rookie. 891 rushing yards as a rookie, which I'm gonna look that up here. That's seventh most ever. The guys. Well, I'm looking at Mike Vick. So here's, here's. Oh yeah, you're right, seventh going back all the way. You know, if we're going to 19, whatever the 60s it was Lamar Jackson as the most. He had 1200 yards. Justin Fields randomly in 2022 second most. He had 1143 yards. Mike Vick then two Lamar seasons, another Mike Vick season and then Jaden Daniels as a rookie, 891 rushing yards. I looked at that season and he had 148 rushes rush attempts, which is second only to Jalen Hurts. And Jalen Hurts was rushing is very different than, than, than Jaden Daniels. But Jaden Daniel said a league high 75 scrambles which I think could be a variable that is important here.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll. Jaden Daniels is also the argument to me to make fantasy have half ppr, half point per first down. Because when you watch Jaden Daniels play every time he runs, he's getting a goddamn first.

[Danny Kaley]

It's like third and fourth demoralizing. For the defense. Yeah. And he had 25 more scrambles than the second best quarterback that year, which was Bo Nicks. And I think that's just a part of his game. You know what I mean?

[Craig Horlbeck]

He.

[Danny Kaley]

If he doesn't see something, he's going to take off, lean on his speed and get a first down. He had 65 design runs that year, which is a lot. But again, that 75 scrambles. I think there's an outside shot that Jaden Daniels, even though they don't really want him to be running a lot, is going to be running a lot because he scrambles so much. And so he's the guy that I would be looking at here. I think Malik Willis is. Is obviously going to be a good fantasy pick because you don't have to spend a ton to get him. But I think Daniels, Jaden Daniels clearly has more upside.

[Danny Heifetz]

If I dk. If I told you that rookie season, Jaden Daniels was basically the peak of his career and it's like actually kind of like RG3.2.0 and he's just not going to be able to be that good again, be that clutch, stay healthy or this is the cheapest you'll be able to get. Jin DMS for five years and he's actually. Is that good. Which would you pick, Eileen?

[Danny Kaley]

The latter. Eileen. You know, I think this. He has the potential to get back to where he. Closer to where he was as a rookie. I think last year was just kind of a, you know, a perfect storm of things that could go wrong and they all. And everything did go wrong. I think he. We saw what he was as a rookie was incredible. So I still think he has that in him.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And it did not feel fluky like when you watched him as a rookie. He. The confidence he felt mature and he felt like he. He was meant for big moments and was super comfortable in them. So I, Whatever happened last year I think is an aberration. I'm much more comfortable that he is the guy we saw his rookie year.

[Danny Heifetz]

The easy comparison is to look at like C.J. stroud's rookie year and then be like, oh, and he hasn't played as well since. Stroud's rookie year was overrated because he had a crazy touchdown interception ratio where a lot of picks were getting dropped. It was kind of ugly. Outside of like three games, Jaden Daniels was unbelievable.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He was borderline perfect.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he looked like the fourth down numbers. He looked again, yeah, 20 of 23 on fourth down, but also just the walk offs over and over and over again. I, it was. The level of play was so much higher, the accuracy and everything. I do think he'll get back. And again we were worried about the injuries coming out of college because again he ran like Cam scatterable with a blindfold basically. But like the injury, that plate Ginger's got hurt on, I, I don't think it was reckless. It was a fluke goddamn play. He put his goddamn arm down to brace himself and it like in like I, I don't know. I don't look at that as. Yeah, I actually thought his rookie or Jaden Daniels when he gets hurt, he, he's slender flame. Like the worst he's played was when he got. He. I think he bruised his ribs against the Panthers or something and then he wasn't really the same for a couple weeks. But I actually thought he protected himself as rookie or like a lot better than I thought he would, to be honest. I, I think quarterback's interesting because you got Josh, you got Lamar Drake, May, Jaden, whatever you want to do with Jalen hurts dart dart. And like I really do Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence and I'm like I kind of would be happy with any of those guys. And then I almost think Malik Willis has to be 9th or 10th solely because I'm like I don't know. He's the fastest quarterback. And I feel like there's 10 pocket bo nick. I don't know if Bo Nicks counts as mobile off an anger an ankle injury but like there's like 10 pocket passers I can make the case for. And I kind of like Burrow and Dak are in there somewhere. But then it's like Purdy and Jared Goff and Stafford even. I don't know. I don't know what to do with, with, with with those guys. Like when you have Burrow Dax Stafford, those are pocket passes worth it. But the Brock Purdy Jordan love all these other pocket passers. Jared Goff. I'm like when all those guys are like replacement level quarterbacks, I'm like I don't. I'm just purely going for upside.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And like I'll just take whatever random pocket passer falls to me is like

[Craig Horlbeck]

can I, can I throw out Jackson dart as a possibility to break the rushing record?

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, all right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

1200 yards Jackson Dart there his main stretch which was like whatever week four to 15 I'm looking at. He was averaging like 50 to 60 rushing yards a game which is on our. That's like 900 for. On a 17 game pace. And like the way the, the way the offense is kind of set up. His recklessness, his willingness to scramble, maybe maybe a, a very long shot dart throw.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dart is the kind of quarterback I do think we should rank higher than other people solely because like yeah, I don't know if he could get to 1200. But like I think you're right about the base math. They were like I could see also you could see Dart having like 800 yards, 700 and like 11 touchdowns at his best possible season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's going to be one of those guys. Remember we were talking about Aaron Jones a couple years ago where we were like, like when he actually is starting and playing like he'll be a top 10 running back but nobody wants to rank him that way. I feel like when Jackson Dart plays in a game he will be a top 10 quarterback.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Statistically in fantasy

[Danny Heifetz]

it is if you just. And also in fantasy when you just look the other reason to ranked Art High, if you just look at like you just ranked the top 13 quarterbacks. The point being that when you're in a 12 team league, one of those guys is not a starting quarterback. It's kind of insane to think how good the high quality like the 12, like Kyler Murray in Minnesota is probably not going to be a starting quarterback in fantasy. It's kind of crazy. It's like it's a high bar super flex.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Also DK, that list you read where Jaden Daniels is seventh all time rushing yards by a quarterback. Eighth is Russell Wilson.

[Danny Kaley]

I know Russell Wilson had 849 yards.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Pretty crazy.

[Danny Kaley]

2014.

[Danny Heifetz]

Russ almost needs to retire kind of like Aaron Rodgers so that we can go back to appreciating how incredible he was a long time ago. I feel like my favorite player to watch in like 2017 when he was doing everything. He was the most unbelievable player in a play to play basis.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh 100 man. There's a reason I think Seattle fans still adore the guy. Even though like the ending was a kind of. I don't know what the word is, not acrimonious, but it wasn't like the best way that the, the two people parted. But to me, Russell Wilson, early career Russell Wilson, I mean you forget that he ran like a 4 or 5 and he was built like a running back and, and he was part of that there in that era there was like Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, a handful of other guys that were like pioneering sort of the rebirth of the read option. And man, I remember Russell Wilson when the Seahawks broke out their read option stuff for the first real time. I think this was, like, halfway through, I want to say the 2012 season, and they're playing the Bears and, like, legitimately, Wilson was just faking out Brian Erlacher and, like, like breaking his ankles. And I was like, there's something different about this guy because, like, late in the season, they started doing that and then they started blowing guys out. They started blowing teams out, like 50 to like 7 to finish off the season. They were one of the hottest teams in the NFL to finish off the season. It was a big part because they started embracing the read option with Marshawn lynch and the two guys together. Russell Wilson and Marshawn, just like the perfect combination for the read option because Marshawn was so good at basically taking a ball from the high post and, like, driving to the hoop. He had, like, the. The really sudden movement and, like, shake ability that you don't really see from running backs. He was not a downhill guy. He was just, I'll make guys miss. And. And that was just perfect for the read option. So sorry, I'm reminiscing here. But, like, that was so fun that that era was so exciting. And it wasn't just Russ. It was like all the guys running all those read option looks and like, everyone. All the old heads in the NFL like, oh, this won't last. But, like, meanwhile, it was just like tearing up the NFL.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You should have pulled out a cigarette, lit it up. Tomlin.

[Danny Kaley]

I know.

[Danny Heifetz]

That was good. Do you guys want to just name some guys from back in the day?

[Danny Kaley]

Hell, yeah, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

Antoine Randall.

[Craig Horlbeck]

L. Frank Gore. Oh, you're going Steelers. Willie Parker.

[Danny Heifetz]

Willie Cologne.

[Danny Kaley]

Willie Parker. Rashad Mendenhall.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Ahmad Bradshaw.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, I loved him. He was the best.

[Danny Heifetz]

I love. Dude, he. We don't talk. He scored a touchdown by accident with his butt.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I remember that.

[Danny Heifetz]

To win a Super Bowl.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, Derek Ward, the forgotten thousand yard rusher on the 2007 Giant. She has a 3,000 yard rushes and Laverneus Kohl's.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, man. Good one, Good one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Santana Moss.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Nice.

[Danny Kaley]

Marcel Reese.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jericho Kocheri.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, Jericho. Great. Dea Ferguson.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. We're going Jets. Did you.

[Danny Kaley]

I think De Bricow was the reason that key and peel skit was invented. I think he was.

[Danny Heifetz]

He.

[Danny Kaley]

I. I want to say I saw an interview with them and they were. And he was like, the inspiration for that whole thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think he was.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, that's good.

[Danny Heifetz]

You out of names?

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, we're gonna keep going.

[Danny Heifetz]

I kind of.

[Danny Kaley]

I Actually, Joe Jura. Vicious.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, oh, good one. That's sick.

[Danny Heifetz]

That name is incredible.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's. He sounds like a rapper.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's the size of a man who should be named Joe Jervicious.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Peerless Price was also a great name.

[Danny Kaley]

Peerless.

[Danny Heifetz]

Peerless Plaxico Bare Buress Burris.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How did you.

[Danny Kaley]

How did you say Burris?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Giants were like, undefeated when he shot himself in the leg, which. That part gets left out that they were like. He's like.

[Danny Kaley]

I still remember that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Literally, they should have gone back to back. It should have won again.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, no.

[Danny Heifetz]

Had not lost the game, basically. God. Also Steve Smith, the other one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, he had a good, amazing.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, I have to shout out Victor Cruz, who I is, you know, a deep, deep cut, but also not. But Odell kind of took Victor Cruz's thing. Victor Cruz was the first guy that became a social media star. Like, Victor Cruz was the one who's going to the Met Gala and like, that was not a thing for football players. And then Odell kind of just like, as they say in the rewatchables, like, market corrected him. But Cruz did all that, got her. And then Odell kind of like took his life.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why did Cruz, one of my all time favorite fantasy players. He was so. I had him that big year. He was the best dude.

[Danny Kaley]

The Giants have had some really, like, aesthetically fun receivers. I was just thinking about Hakeem Nix. He was awesome too. Man. You guys have. You've had some really good receivers over the years.

[Danny Heifetz]

Caught a Hail Mary in, like, the playoffs. Yeah, he was the, like, the division around Keen. Nick's just caught a halftime Hail Mary for touchdown.

[Danny Kaley]

So one of the most. I. I say, Craig, you're bringing up. Yeah. Victor Cruz. Miles Austin is the other kind of guy. Just fantasy. Like, oh, who's this guy? Oh, my God.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What the hell?

[Danny Kaley]

This is. Is this real? This is real.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Miles Austin was annoying. I feel like I always drafted him the wrong year.

[Danny Heifetz]

He got paid, but yeah, that was annoying. Well, the other one, like, I think on that note is Edelman and Welker.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, that was also a real, like, I mean, even when Edelman kind of came up, it was like a meme. It was like just another white receiver. And then it was like the idea that he would be a Super Bowl

[Craig Horlbeck]

MVP was kind of like, remember Vincent Jackson?

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, he was great.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who was? Mike Evans, kind of before Mike Evans was.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, he was awesome.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rip.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Did he die?

[Danny Heifetz]

He did, unfortunately.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, that's very sad.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're. We're getting older, dude. Also, I was looking up the rushing leader list. Jamal Lewis just randomly having like 2100

[Craig Horlbeck]

yards is on Jamal Lewis, Peyton Hillis. Peyton Hill is on the COVID of Madden.

[Danny Kaley]

What could go wrong?

[Danny Heifetz]

The Boaty McBoat face of Madden covers. I can't believe it. Let us vote on that. That was so dumb.

[Danny Kaley]

Ooh, Terrell Pryor, dude.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Peyton Hillis. Peyton Hillis has 2800 career rushing yards, dude.

[Danny Kaley]

Wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

That'll never happen again.

[Danny Kaley]

One hit wonder.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

They let people vote once and they're like, white running back. The. I don't care if he's on Cleveland. The Terrell Prior is a Hall of Fame, like, ahead of his time. Guy like Terrell Pryor now would just like he could just.

[Danny Kaley]

He had a thousand years receiving one year. And then I remember he had the longest touchdown run of any quarterback ever.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he did a read option 9 yard. I remember it was against the Steelers and he did a read option and the Steelers were like, we haven't seen this in decades.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, we look forward to eliminating it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Terrell Pryor being told in the middle of his NFL career that you have to be a receiver and then actually getting 1200 yards.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know. It's actually insane.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you know how good of an athlete you have to be? It's not even like at the combine. They're like, listen. So I'm like, they tried to make him a quarterback and then he pivoted in the middle of his career. Like, that's impossible to ask of somebody. And then he. Yeah, honestly, he only stopped because he hurt his ankle. Like, that really was what derailed it more than anything he had. God, it's so funny. Look up guys like that because they're lister.

[Danny Kaley]

I'm like trying to find his receiving.

[Danny Heifetz]

He had a thousand, not twelve hundred. He had a thousand yards in 2016. But like, then he hurt his ankle. But like, that's crazy to be a thousand yard receiver at 27. When he had. He had one. He had two Cat. He had two catches in his career. And then they're like, you're a receiver. And then he had a thousand yards.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's like, all right, team player.

[Danny Kaley]

Who is his quarterback that year? 2016?

[Danny Heifetz]

Like Cody Kessler.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, Cody Kessler, Josh McCown, Robert Griffin.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was so concerned. I knew that. I wish I knew other things than that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Cody Kessler.

[Danny Heifetz]

I also always. There's also. There's also. There's other guys like that. You kind of thought would be good. It. It sucked. Like I always loved Troy Smith, the random Heisman from Ohio State. He's not.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

He was small and not really a guy. But yeah, good players, fun game. Maybe that'll be a thing. Maybe that's a. That's maybe a deep off season one. But I would love to do the ahead of their time team guys that like would have been. They were kind of like too early. Terrell Pryor is like Warwick done. Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Wow. Yeah, there was a lot of those guys. I like that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, email us if you have more examples like Terrell Pryor.

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[Danny Heifetz]

Couple emails we get out of here.

[Host/Announcer]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I lied. It's like three or four. First I want to do an email here from Scott. Scotty got a our last episode we talked about like holiday games and we talk we complaining about how many holiday games there were during, you know, family time. And Scott wrote in with the subject line anti holiday game sentiment is happy family privilege.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which I thought was so funny. He said I was listening to schedule draft today. Got to the point you're all complaining about having Christmas Eve game. He's like, I don't get along with my family. Scott says I'm a queer guy. Scott says I'm a queer guy from a conservative family. Our get togethers always end in misery. And the one and only thing we can all do together without turning to a bitter shouting match about which uncle skipped the lesbian wedding is watching sports shoulder to shoulder. And he says, I welcome as many holiday games as possible and you two with the happy families can handle a few games a year so that people like me with unhappy families don't have to talk to each other. I thought that was awesome. I think that's true.

[Danny Kaley]

And I mean it's objectively very true. Yeah, very fair.

[Danny Heifetz]

It reminded me of something else which I have honed in my adulthood, which is there are also board game fails families. Board game families are also happy families. Like let me tell you something. If someone loves board games, they love their family.

[Danny Kaley]

If the family doesn't like board games, then they've, like, they're. They've already broken up, you know, because you. They played board games together.

[Craig Horlbeck]

My family, not a board game family. Every time we play Uno, we get in a fight.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, but that's the point.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Uno.

[Danny Heifetz]

Play Uno and you get in a fight.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's like, the only game we play.

[Danny Kaley]

Uno.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I love Uno.

[Danny Kaley]

How do you get in a fight playing Uno?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's not hard.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk. I feel like Uno is very famously like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Have you ever played Uno? Yeah, dude. When you start fucking laying, draw twos and draw fours on the guy next to you, you're like, targeting someone's like, oh, really? You had nothing else? Show me your cards. Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

I witnessed. I was once the fifth wheel on a couple's Uno game, and I actually thought we were in the roof of a apartment on Palm in Palms. Craig and I literally thought both couples were going to break up playing. You know, I was literally watching. Imagine being here for one couple fight. Both couples were having very serious arguments.

[Craig Horlbeck]

If, you know, if my family plays, you know, my brother and I have to sit across from one another. We cannot be next to each other playing dk.

[Danny Heifetz]

I feel like Uno's famous for being the most aggressive argument.

[Danny Kaley]

I did not know that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us your Uno stories. I bet some marriages have ended and people don't talk to siblings anymore over Uno story.

[Danny Kaley]

My family's game is Apples. Apples. You guys know that game where it's like, you have cards and they have descriptive words on them. I have, like. I'm, like, world class at being really bad at that game. I may be the worst. The worst player at Apples. Apples I've ever seen in my, like,

[Danny Heifetz]

name seven James Bonds.

[Danny Kaley]

I don't know what that means about me. Maybe I just like it can't. I can't read people whatsoever. I don't know. But, yeah, that's. It's tough.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Scott makes a good point. I will say. You know what else? A football game, dude, if you're like a party and you don't really know that many people, like, you're. It's like your wife's friend.

[Danny Kaley]

Something to do.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dude. If there's a game on and you can just kind of stand with the other guys who don't really know anybody and just look forward but still talk to each other while watching all the end ones. The best.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Yeah. Stafford having a good season.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

All the plus ones that are there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who are you A fan of cowboys. Like, okay, yeah, not bad. You know, looking pretty good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pickens.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Good.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Offense, you know, Dak Dax, CD Pickens.

[Danny Heifetz]

You just name guys?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, you just keep naming guys. Jake Ferguson's not bad. Kind of.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, I want. I want. Email us Uno stories. This one's from Emily. Emily Craig asked. I don't remember which episode this was. He wanted examples of people who talk in real life in YouTube voice, if there are any, because he said, there's nobody. Emily writes, in my breakfast was two eggs, a whole wheat English muffin, turkey bacon, and coffee with chobani creamer. Emily writes, I'm a wife. One of the seven.

[Danny Kaley]

Hell yeah.

[Advertisement Voice]

Seven.

[Host/Announcer]

Seven.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like the vampire boys. It's like seven.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's great.

[Danny Kaley]

To the seven. We're basking in the light.

[Danny Heifetz]

Emily says, I wanted to respond to your statement in your last episode that no one in real life speaks with a YouTube voice. What about Sean McVeigh? All high energy, no rest, high pitch, rush, cadence. Am I wrong?

[Craig Horlbeck]

McVeigh's a blend. He's not full YouTube because he. It's. It's. It's like such hardcore coach speak, but it. I know what she means.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, 100%.

[Danny Heifetz]

If Sean McVay read Mr. Beast YouTube intros, like, it would kind of work.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes, yes. But McVeigh, his thing is that even when he's not coaching, he still speaks in coach speak. Like, he is always kind of like that.

[Danny Kaley]

Like, if he was describing his breakfast in an email to us, it would be, like, real. Like he'd be breaking down every little tiny ingredient.

[Danny Heifetz]

And two eggs, whole wheat.

[Danny Kaley]

English placed it on. On the plate, you know?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, he'd be like, two eggs. You want to get your protein, and I love that whole wheat. Whole wheat is a lot better than white with white bread. The turkey bacon, I'm trying to be a little bit healthier with the turkey bacon. That's going to give me more energy to get out there with my guys. And coach, you got to have coffee to start your day. Okay.

[Danny Kaley]

You got, like, his, like, vein in his neck is starting to bulge out.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's always bulging. Yeah, that man, so much blood. It's crazy. And also, Emily did end it with, I'm 39, I live in Tennessee. A choed is a short, wide penis. So that was, you know, thank you for regional. And this one, this one's from Brennan.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Brennan B bone. Brennan has a. Now I won't say it. You know what I'm saying? Yo, you didn't know that joke. Brandon has a mangina.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, wow.

[Danny Kaley]

What's that from?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Stepbrothers.

[Danny Kaley]

Come on. Oh, yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Brennan has a magina. Everyone starts singing

[Danny Heifetz]

Brennan. Tough for Brennan. Brennan writes, nut kicks ruin lives. Okay, obviously we've been talking about the guy who was going to get kicked in the nuts. Went back on it. Then we had the.

[Danny Kaley]

Well, his wife back on it. Yeah, that's true.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he can make his own decisions. He's blaming his wife.

[Danny Kaley]

No, he can't. His wife made him private.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're married now. Come on, you should know that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't. My wife said I can't.

[Danny Kaley]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I get it. Brandon says breakfast today was bacon, egg and cheese. Shout out to my buddy and fellow listener, Colin, for making the bacon, egg and cheese. Okay, cool. Never had that happen.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Hell yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Colin Brennan writes about all this discourse. What happens? You get kicked in the nuts. I gotta tell you, 1981, my father in law was at a college party and decided to kick his best friend in the balls as hard as he could. The damage caused was so severe that they had to take him straight to the hospital. He had a reconstructive surgery done that night to repair the damage, mostly in his gooch. And over the next five years, the friend had to get 12 surgeries to clear scar tissue. And it's been 45 years. And his friend said he's never fully recovered.

[Danny Kaley]

My God.

[Craig Horlbeck]

See, this is what I'm saying. We don't need to be hitting people in the nuts. I can't believe more of these stories don't exist. Maybe I do.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I was gonna say, I feel like it's so prevalent when you're sure they cartoons or TV or anything that like Jack like things get kicked in the nuts that I'm like, I don't realize this. It's really dangerous. I see why we're constantly walking around afraid of it. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I also like, was there a reason this guy kicked his friend or he just kind of thought it was funny?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I think he thought it was funny.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. How could you ever repay him? My goodness. Donate your own testicles to him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, I want to do.

[Danny Kaley]

Have they ever done a testicle transplant?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Interesting.

[Danny Kaley]

Is that a thing that's possible?

[Craig Horlbeck]

How would that work? Could I have given Lance one of mine?

[Danny Kaley]

Gene genealogy. Lickly speaking. That's a word. That's a word.

[Danny Heifetz]

Genealogy, genealogically. That seems like the easy part.

[Danny Kaley]

Is that possible? Is that. Whose baby is that now?

[Craig Horlbeck]

What? What can you. Who's this? Can you transplant?

[Danny Heifetz]

I gotta tell You. I can't believe we could do that. Transplants are crazy.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You could just have someone else's heart inside you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Unbelievable. We figured that out. That's wild. So I feel when people argue about certain medical things, I'm like, you know, my ninth grade biology teacher, he had a heart defect when he was a child and he. So he put a part of a pig heart in his heart and he lived. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. People kind of know what they're doing. But anyway.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Are people complaining about surgeons? Wait, what do you mean?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, other things like the return of measles.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which I thought was a made up.

[Danny Kaley]

We figured this out long ago. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I thought that was. That's my version of. I've never heard of Calvin Johnson. I thought mumps and measles were fake when I was growing up. I thought it was in Charlie the Chocolate Factor.

[Danny Kaley]

It's like the boogeyman is to scare you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. I literally like Oompa Loompas. Anyway, I want to talk about this email from Turner. Turner lives lived. And I want to talk about Charlie Pride. So Turner's breakfast was three Advil and two blueberries, which is wild to have. More pills than fruit.

[Danny Kaley]

Blueberries.

[Danny Heifetz]

The is even the point of two blueberries.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I feel like he had all five of them in his hand. He swallowed them all.

[Danny Kaley]

Two blueberries, berries.

[Danny Heifetz]

Did you have it in your little pill box? It's like fruit. And just keep them together. So hungover.

[Danny Kaley]

Is this like a normal morning thing? Yeah, two blueberries.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's also like. Is it like.

[Danny Kaley]

He's like, I can't have an empty stomach when I take these.

[Danny Heifetz]

Honestly, you're probably right. Actually, that probably isn't. Which. That's not what they mean. Turner writes, I was listening to the country singer Charlie Pride this morning, and I was prompt to do a little reading on the man. So Charlie Pride, Pride. This is gonna be a mix of his email and then I actually.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't even know who that is. Do you know?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah. Famous country. Country singer.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I don't know him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Country, musical. Well, I'll tell you who he is. Charlie Pride bought a guitar for $10 from the Sears catalog when he was 14 years old because Charlie Pride's dad liked watching the Grand Ole Opry. And Charlie Pride went on to be the first black man invited to play at the grand ole Opry. His 29 different number one country records are second only to Elvis Presley. And he was the biggest country star in the world. In the south right after and during segregation. So I mean, think about what that took. First black artist to make the Country Music hall of fame, etc. Etc. Turns out before that, Charlie Pride was a two time All Star Negro league pitcher in the minor leagues. He was trying to make it. He played against Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. And then he got drafted to the military. Had to do service, Won a military baseball championship in the military, which is. I don't have quibbles with this comparison, but Turner writes, it's like if Jimmy Butler quit basketball because he got drafted and then became the biggest country star in the world, which I think is a little different. But this did make me want to look into Charlie Pride and his Wikipedia is incredible. Charlie Pride did want to become a baseball player. He pitched for the Memphis Red Sox in 1952 in the Negro American League. 1953. Signs a contract with Boise Yankees, which is the farm team in the New York Yankees. But he has an arm injury. He's a pitcher. He loses the mustard on his fastball and then he goes on. And then that season he was traded to the Birmingham Black Barons for a team bus.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What?

[Danny Kaley]

Come on.

[Danny Heifetz]

Charlie Pride. The Charlie Pride was traded with this other guy, Jesse Mitchell. They were traded to the Birmingham Black Barons for a bus.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jesus Christ.

[Danny Heifetz]

And Charlie Pride wrote in his autobiography, I think I'm the only person who's been traded for a motor vehicle to play Major League Baseball.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, that's a bus.

[Danny Heifetz]

A bus. So that it keeps going.

[Danny Kaley]

That's. That's an incredible factoid.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Teams did not have much money back then.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's incredible. The guy got traded for bats the other day. But so. So then Charlie Pry was discharged. He tried to make the Mets, the Angels, the Reds. He couldn't make it. So he gets laid off by the Timber Jacks. So he goes to work construction in Helena, Montana. This is 1960. And he gets recruited to play for this local semi pro baseball team. Are you ready?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

The East Helena smelter rights.

[Danny Kaley]

The Smelterites. Which smelter? I barely even knew her.

[Danny Heifetz]

You may. You may wonder where this is going. The team manager, it was literally a smelter team. They were a smelter business in Montana.

[Danny Kaley]

I can't also play baseball.

[Danny Heifetz]

They kept 18 jobs open at the smelter plant for baseball players. So they could do shifts, nine and nine and they could always have a baseball team. And then. So Charlie. Charlie Pride was a smelter and by day, dodged. I don't know. They call it the smelting Term is slag, which I think is lava metal. Lava, like the orange metal, liquid metal. You would have to dodge that while working all day. And then you can dodge a slag.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You can dodge a ball and.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. And hit 400. He had 444 in the smelter league.

[Danny Kaley]

444. Damn.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then he. And then he was so good at.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He was on his game.

[Danny Heifetz]

Then they asked them to start singing the national anthem before the games because they liked his voice.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And then he was singing and then playing in the games. He said, yes, yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then they're like, you're good at this singing thing.

[Danny Kaley]

This is like a movie. This is like a. Like a parody movie.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It is like a parody. It's like Forrest Gumption.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like.

[Danny Kaley]

It's like, walk hard.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He gets traded for a bus.

[Danny Kaley]

Goes and works in the smelter, Starts singing the national anthem.

[Danny Heifetz]

Smelting to get cold. Basically. The. The. I don't know if it's coal or smelt, whatever, but it's 2400 degrees. The substance that they're moving with a shovel, apparently. I don't really understand it, but anyway, I. I just couldn't believe it.

[Danny Kaley]

OSHA would be all over that.

[Danny Heifetz]

So. Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

These days, Charlie.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And someone's like, craig, like, what did you do in your 20s? I'm like, well, I kind of just sat in my room, podcasted, went to some bars.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. So the Guinness, they used to have it in glasses, and you could try to drink a little to get it by the G. Right, right, right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I split a couple hundred G's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hobby of mine.

[Danny Kaley]

What a life, man. He's up there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's a good one.

[Danny Heifetz]

When my grandpa turned 27, he went to Vietnam. When I turned 27, I built a birdhouse with my mom. Okay, the. The other thing. A thousand people tagged this in this. I want one of you two to read it. I don't care which. Can you guys read us about this? The players who played on the Cleveland spiders in the 18.

[Danny Kaley]

I feel like we've talked about the Cleveland Spiders before, but this team is up there.

[Danny Heifetz]

We have not seen these names. Because I was going through it. I was flat.

[Danny Kaley]

No, I didn't.

[Danny Heifetz]

I didn't. I want.

[Danny Kaley]

I would have remembered this. I feel like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So these guys. Do we have the exact year? I have the roster is this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is this entity right here.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Late 1800s.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's 1880. Whatever to 18. It's like. It's a bunch. It's like their best players.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay, I have it Here. So we have. We have. Which one do I want to pick? This is insane. Every single one of them is a banger. It's like no Skips. Crazy.

[Danny Kaley]

No Skips. Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

Every single one, no Skips.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Literally no Skips. This is like the Katy Perry album. Katy Perry album. Teenage Dream. Just banger after banger. Icebox Chamberlain. Of course. That's the coolest thing ever. Icebox is sick. Cupid Childs. That's weird. Name.

[Danny Kaley]

I don't know if I like that one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Pretzels gets in.

[Danny Kaley]

Pretzels.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's too good.

[Danny Kaley]

Pretzels.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We have Mortimer Hogan. Not a lot of Mortimers anymore.

[Danny Kaley]

They need to bring back mortal. Mortimer.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mortimer.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We got this. I'm gonna name two guys here. This sounds like they star in a buddy cop comedy together. We got Cowboy Jones and Sport McAllister.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's like I found. If you found out the emu's real name in the.

[Danny Kaley]

Like,

[Craig Horlbeck]

we got. We got Chippy Magar. We got.

[Danny Heifetz]

We got Cowboy Sport and Chippy back to back.

[Danny Kaley]

Magar is somehow funnier than Chippy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We got Cinders o'. Brien.

[Danny Kaley]

Cinders.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yep. We got Crazy Schmidt. Crazy Schmidt is so good.

[Danny Kaley]

None of these guys had real names

[Craig Horlbeck]

because usually they, like, they will report.

[Danny Kaley]

It's like one or two guys on

[Craig Horlbeck]

the team get a nickname, Crazy, replacing his first name. Or are they just kind of calling him Crazy Schmidt?

[Danny Heifetz]

They just call him Crazy Schmidt. I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This name is Odd Lewis. Sock. Alexis. Sock Alexis. It is the word Sock and the name Alexis together, I'm not sure. We have what appears to be Brothers Patsy and To Bow. Come on. They sound like Ocean's Eleven.

[Danny Heifetz]

I hope they're twins.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We have Jim Toy. Jim Toy. And then we have. It just keeps getting better.

[Danny Kaley]

It's just T O Y too. It's not anything more.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We have Highball Wilson. We have Rasty. Right. And to bring it on home, we got Peekaboo Veach. Every single one of these guys probably has an unbelievable Wikipedia page. I know.

[Danny Kaley]

I'm trying to find the actual war heroes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I feel like even if I Google Crazy Schmidt, like, is that even going to come up?

[Danny Heifetz]

Peekaboo Beach. I'm on the Wikipedia right now.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Crazy Schmidt's name was Fred, but he was Crazy. He was a pitcher and I think he sucked. His win loss record was 7 and 36.

[Danny Heifetz]

So crazy 36.

[Danny Kaley]

It's like a. This is like a Jamis Winston Stat.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's 7 and 30. They didn't have enough guys couldn't hit the strike zone. To save his life. But he was crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

The enforcer.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, man. I'm looking at some other players on this team. Craig. They also had a guy named Harry Cauliflower. Harry Cauliflower.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I need to read about the Tobo brothers.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm on to Bo's Wikipedia right now.

[Danny Kaley]

Tell me more.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, so was the younger brother of Patsy, and then they also had a George.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Would you rather be. Or Patsy.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's got to be George. Patsy in that order, right? I. I would be.

[Danny Kaley]

I would rather be Patsy, Craig.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Or you own. You know, you kind of make it like a boy named sue type deal.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah. Had to be strong. There's also a guy named Dick Harley. Did you already say him?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No.

[Danny Kaley]

There's some Alzheimer's on this team.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I gotta figure out what happened. What's going on?

[Danny Heifetz]

Pretzels.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Pretzels gets him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pretzels. Pretzels gets it is. Is unbelievable.

[Danny Kaley]

Maybe. Is it as simple as he likes Pretzels?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, no, no. He was able to throw a double curve following the curves of a pretzel.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, my God. This. That's. This is.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's kind of cool, actually.

[Danny Kaley]

This was a cartoon baseball team.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. What do you mean double pretzel?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think he could throw a curve in either direction.

[Danny Heifetz]

They just hadn't invented a slider yet. They didn't know what the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The word was.

[Danny Heifetz]

Man.

[Danny Kaley]

The all time team.

[Danny Heifetz]

Icebox Chamberlain, Pretzels and Crazy Patsy. And is an incredible combo for brothers.

[Danny Kaley]

Why don't we have names like this anymore? By the way, Cy Young was on the 19 or the 1897 Cleveland spiders.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Kaley]

So this is a real baseball team.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kaley]

Also, Charlie Brown was on that team. So maybe it actually was a cartoon Charlie Brown. I still haven't figured it out yet.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dude, there's a. There's an article from 1886 from the magazine Scientific American, and it's about Pretzels Curveball.

[Danny Heifetz]

What does it say?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's just a diagram of how he throws it. And I don't. I don't really get it, but

[Danny Heifetz]

it's been lost to time.

[Danny Kaley]

All right, Chippy Magar.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, thank you everyone, for emailing us.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Email us what? Pick your. If you had to pick one name, if this podcast will now feature the three of us with. With names from this list, what are you picking?

[Danny Heifetz]

Peekaboo beach is so fun. Peekaboo Beach.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Icebox. Icebox Chamberlain.

[Danny Heifetz]

Icebox Chamberlain is so fun.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, sport. Sport.

[Danny Kaley]

Sport.

[Danny Heifetz]

Over Juggernort over Jugger Sport McAllister Buck Juggerp.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No on this list, though. I mean, if I host a podcast, my name is Sport McAllister.

[Danny Kaley]

Jim Toy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dodgeball 2 Dude and Toy being next to each other is also just.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football Show. I'm Sport McAllister, and I'm joined by Pretzels gets in and Craig Crazy Schmidt.

[Danny Kaley]

That's good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Coming up later, we're having the Tabo Brothers on. Patsy and Pussy will be here to break down the MLB season that's coming up. We'll close that with Icebox Chamberlain. He's gonna talk to us about the NBA season.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, my God. There's not even, like, one normal one that that would, like, balance all the time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The most normal name on this name on this list, I guess, is Jim

[Danny Heifetz]

Toy and Jake Virtue.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jake Virtue.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, the most normal person here. Jake Virtue.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mike Goodfellow's kind of normal.

[Danny Heifetz]

And also, it's Reverse o'.

[Danny Kaley]

Brien.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cinders. Cinders is amazing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I actually. I'm changing my answer. I want to be Crazy Schmidt.

[Danny Heifetz]

Tracy Schmidt.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Crazy Schmidt.

[Danny Kaley]

Cowboy Jones.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because it's one of those, like, why do they call you crazy? It's like, you don't want to find out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why do they. Why do they call you Peekaboo Veach? You don't want to find out.

[Danny Kaley]

God.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, thank you, everyone who tagged us in this. Thank you ever emailing. I want to know. Yeah, tell us other stories about getting kicked in the balls. I. I don't really know if we have better.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Uno fights. Oh, God. What else?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I. I have we looked at Cowboy Jones's Wikipedia picture yet? Because this is, I think, the craziest one I've ever seen. This looks like a cutout that was pasted into a magazine. This looks like.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, my God. That's insane.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This looks like he's in a comic strip in 1901.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I don't even know where that came from. He went to the Colorado School of Mines. No, he went to the Colorado school minds.

[Danny Kaley]

His nickname was Bronco.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cowboy. Bronco Jones.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Albert Golden, Colorado.

[Danny Kaley]

Of course.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He died in Inglewood when he was 83.

[Danny Heifetz]

He became the mayor of Golden, Colorado. He probably brought Coors to Colorado.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He probably did. It's just so funny. This guy probably drank beer his whole life, smoked cigarettes, and ate red meat every day. Lived to be 83.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's really intimidating to see. 83. Died in 1958.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. In Englewood. Man.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, my. I just found a picture of him when he was 83. Craig.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Visions of Al Davis.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I see this. He's Holding a pack of eggs with a cup of coffee like a stud.

[Danny Kaley]

Looks like he's, like, in a rodeo or something.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, his name's Cowboy Jones.

[Danny Kaley]

Well, that makes sense. And text, so I don't remember. I don't remember where text came from.

[Danny Heifetz]

Checks out. Oh, my.

[Danny Kaley]

We got Dallas. He was from Detroit.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, you know what, dk? I think the guy you're looking up is not cowboy.

[Danny Kaley]

Okay. There's another cowboy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think this is a jockey.

[Danny Kaley]

Okay, that. Well, that also makes sense.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where?

[Danny Heifetz]

Cowboy Hat.

[Danny Kaley]

The other Cowboy Jones.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Probably a lot of Cowboy Joneses.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. Yeah, I. I mean, I could see it being popular.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I can't find a photo of our guy. What's Cowboy Jones's real name? Forget already.

[Danny Kaley]

Albert.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Albert.

[Danny Kaley]

Hold on. I just had it. Albert Edward Cowboy Bronco Jones.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, he also got Bronco. Yeah, Double nickname. Okay. Yeah, I think there's not a lot of photos of this guy.

[Danny Kaley]

There are zero.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It is literally just this weird cutout drawing.

[Danny Kaley]

There's a Cowboy Jones carpet cleaning company in Cheyenne, Wyoming.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He probably started that. I love this photo. It's the only.

[Danny Kaley]

The only photo that exists.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like a weird. There's, like. There's, like, stuff behind him.

[Danny Kaley]

It's not even. It's like a map.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it looks like he's on a map. Like. Like, when you see Golden Colorado, she's a picture of him. But his shirt looks like it says Portland on it.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah, he played for the Portland.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's why.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, but it's like, why would that be played for?

[Danny Kaley]

I don't know. Where. Where is this?

[Craig Horlbeck]

He played for Portland.

[Danny Kaley]

Did he play for Portland? He didn't even play for Portland.

[Danny Heifetz]

What?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who is this guy? Why? Why?

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, here's a picture from his baseball reference page.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He might have played for the Portland Giants, the minor league team briefly. But why the. Is that the photo of him? Anyway?

[Danny Heifetz]

Wait a second. So Patsy Tibo was the manager of the Cleveland Spiders for, like, a long time.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think he was a player manager.

[Danny Kaley]

Is the nickname still around? Because I know there was a guy named on the Sopranos.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that was a long time ago.

[Danny Kaley]

Email it if you're. If you go by.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wasn't he Big?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Yes, he was.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, his name was Sal. Sal Big. I forget his last name.

[Danny Kaley]

Email in. If you go by. That's.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's Cousin Big. That's Cousin Big Sal to you. Unbelievable. Okay. All right. I think we should end the show now.

[Danny Kaley]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, my God. What a wormhole. Okay. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you ever for listening. Thank you for emailing. Emailing us. We'll always take more names. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Thank you, Lord.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Lauren.

[Danny Kaley]

Thank you, Robin.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Nice.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, nice.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Show Me Love.

[Danny Kaley]

I don't know. I don't know the whole song. Pick me up.

[Danny Heifetz]

Feel like Dancing on My own. It's the big one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dancing on My Own is the one I know.

[Danny Kaley]

Dancing on My Own.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. What are you singing?

[Danny Kaley]

Show me Love. Are we thinking of the same Robin here?

[Danny Heifetz]

Ours has a Y.

[Danny Kaley]

Yes. So she has some big hits.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pitchfork had. Dancing on My Own is the number one song of the 21st century.

[Danny Kaley]

What? Yeah, the number. What song?

[Danny Heifetz]

One.

[Danny Kaley]

First number one.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I, I, I, I'm just the messenger.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, does bang the number your Honor?

[Danny Kaley]

It does. Number one song.

[Danny Heifetz]

Literally first? Yes.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay, what's your number one song then? If you're so smart, if you have the best taste ever, why don't you

[Danny Kaley]

name seven ones then instead? I don't know, something like by the Rolling Stones or. I guess it was the 21st century.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, 21st century. So once again, please, what is the best song of the 20? Oh, God.

[Danny Kaley]

LMFAO. Party Rock. Party Anthem. What is that one?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Party Rock Anthem.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That is correct. That is the best song.

[Danny Kaley]

That's the only answer I would have accepted.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kaley]

I don't. I can't even picture the song. Sing it.

[Danny Heifetz]

I should have played that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Party Rock anthem.

[Danny Kaley]

No. Dancing on my own.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I keep dancing on my own I'm in the corner watching you kiss her. Whoa.

[Danny Heifetz]

This came out. DK was definitely, like. DK was definitely, like, married or whatever, like in a relationship in the song.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This is like a real, like, 2am in the bar. You can't say sweaty and drunk, screaming this song.

[Danny Kaley]

I can't say I've clocked it yet, not knowing this song.

[Danny Heifetz]

Talking about is the divide of when you stopped going out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Out.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who. Who named this the number one song of the century? Rolling Stone.

[Danny Heifetz]

Making sure I'm right. But I think Pitchfork. Oh, no, I'm wrong. They had it. Third. Of the 2010s. Of the 2010s. Okay, Robin. Third. They had oblivion by Grimes, too. And they had all right by Kendrick Lamar, number one. And the other ones are. They had what? Formation by Beyonce. Fourth. Thinking about you by Frank Ocean. Five. And then obviously there's like, 95 other songs.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah. I'm realizing. I don't know, the 2010s.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Very well.

[Danny Kaley]

Not my. Not my era.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Robin released a new album this year called Sexistential. You should listen to it.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, no, it sounds erotic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's not for me.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's because the music's better. Because you're married and washed now.

[Danny Kaley]

All.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's just not for me.

[Danny Heifetz]

Diplomatic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Listen to it. Listen to it on your. On your own.

[Danny Heifetz]

Robin's, like, out here, like, probably excited to be thanked on our show, and then we're just like, who's that? We don't like your new album.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I love Robin. She's a great artist.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, shout out Robin.

[Craig Horlbeck]

She is amazing song. Dancing on your own. Come on, DK, listen to it.

[Danny Kaley]

I'll check it out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

DK, go to a club tonight, okay? Pay the DJ $20 to pay that song, okay? Play that song, and you'll have a great time. Have a four loco.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's 2010.

[Danny Heifetz]

DK's gonna have, like, a bunch of. He's gonna have three whiskeys to it. It's night. And just, like, listen to it and text us at, like, nodding midnight. Be like, this is a good song.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah. Yeah, this is good. This holds up well, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

I already did the thank you. I guess I should just end the show now.

[Danny Kaley]

You've done a lot of repeat thank yous these days.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I'm Rusty.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Losing track.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So we call you Rusty Heifers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Losing my Rusty. If it's losing my. My mustard. My fastball Charlie.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Rusty's a cool name.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rusty's good pretzels. Rusty. I. Brad.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. 2000. Yeah. Ocean's Eleven. Rusty.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sick. Rusty.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And you got Rusty Cole.

[Danny Kaley]

Rust Cole. He goes. He doesn't even do Rusty.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's just rust, which is crazy. Rust is weird.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I like it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rusty's a deer.

[Danny Kaley]

I like abnormally shortened names. There are some of my favorite names.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Give me an example.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, like Rand instead of Randy or Randall.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You like Rand?

[Danny Kaley]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who goes by Rand as a first name?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Rand Paul.

[Danny Kaley]

Yeah. I mean, maybe that's not the best

[Craig Horlbeck]

example in the world, but DK loves that.

[Danny Heifetz]

He loves Rand Paul's name.

[Danny Kaley]

Oh, I like. I. I do. Like, like, less commonly shortened names.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Like for Jeremy. Like, you call them Jer. Jer. 100.

[Danny Kaley]

That's good. You don't have to dilly dally on the second syllable and the second and only other syllable.

[Danny Heifetz]

Good point.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kaley]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

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