Jalen Hurts Ruined My Life, Week 15 Waivers, and Happy Birthday, Philip Rivers!

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: Jalen Hurts Ruined My Life, Week 15 Waivers, and Happy Birthday, Philip Rivers!
Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the dramatic fallout from the disastrous Eagles-Chargers Monday Night Football game—specifically Jalen Hurts’ horrific fantasy football performance—and then pivots to critical waiver wire decisions and roster management for Week 15 of the fantasy football playoffs. The show’s signature blend of emotional venting, actionable advice, and irreverent humor is on full display, including an extended riff on Philip Rivers’ rumored NFL return—on his 44th birthday!—and an exploration of “false farts” in fantasy lingo.

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1. Jalen Hurts’ Fantasy Football Meltdown (00:18–19:11)

Main Discussion Points

• A Catastrophic Performance: Jalen Hurts’ five turnovers (four interceptions, one fumble) sends entire fantasy leagues into chaos, with many listeners and hosts directly impacted.
• Historical Fantasy “Dud”: The hosts compare the game to legendary fantasy football heartbreakers, like Alvin Kamara’s 6-TD Christmas game that knocked owners out of playoffs.
• Emotional Fallout:
  • Danny Kelly: “Jalen Hurts just taking a giant steaming dump on all of us.” (01:22)
  • The hosts admit to lingering frustration, even shotgunning beers due to league-specific punishment rules.
  • Discussion on Hurts’ emotionless sideline demeanor, likening him to a “football monk” and questioning his ability to play from behind.
  • “It’s so freeing... I will never have Jalen Hurts on a team of mine ever again. I don’t care if it’s free. I don’t want him.” – Craig (04:04)
• Tense League Implications: Many fantasy managers lost playoff spots or critical seeding due to Hurts and, to a lesser extent, A.J. Brown.

Notable Quotes and Moments

• “There was a sequence in this game where there was five turnovers in 11 plays.” – Craig (05:25)
• “We texted more today over one game than we did on Thanksgiving with our families.” – Group chat anecdote (09:55)
• “This was a one in a thousand, one in a million outcome game.” – Danny Kelly (17:40)
• The group jokes about starting a Discord channel just to collectively process the pain. (16:17)

Notable Stats/Timestamps

• The game included a “never seen before” play: Jalen Hurts turned it over twice on a single play (Elias Sports Bureau confirmation, 08:42).
• “Check the tape – I’ve never been more angry watching a game.” – Danny Kelly (17:04)

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2. Chargers Win, Rivers Rumors & Quarterback Mayhem (19:11–26:49)

Main Discussion Points

• Chargers’ Survival and Justin Herbert’s Heroics: Hosts highlight Herbert’s ability to carry teams with “homeless guys on the offensive line” and suggest he’s a “superhero.” (07:00)
• Herbert’s Reluctance: Anecdote about postgame interview: “I really just want to celebrate with my teammates.”
• Eagles’ Offensive Collapse: Coaches, not just Hurts, are blamed—including Nick Sirianni’s mismanagement and inability to adjust.
• Philip Rivers Tryout: Colts are rumored to bring back Rivers due to QB injuries—on his 44th birthday, and as a possible NFL grandfather.
  • “Philip Rivers is a grandfather. Is this going to be the first grandfather to play in the NFL?” (20:55)
  • Hosts imagine Rivers schooling “zoomers” and riff on old-man jokes.
  • “Tom Brady won a Super Bowl, retired, unretired, retired again, and Rivers hasn’t played since.” (24:45)

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3. Waiver Wire Priorities: Week 15 (26:49–41:16)

Running Backs (27:27–39:03)

• Top Tier:
  • Blake Corum (Rams): Most recommended, rising workload, highly efficient offense.
    • “If you’re looking for a potential league-winning player, that’s Blake Corum.” – Danny Kelly (29:44)
  • Chris Rodriguez (Commanders): Great one-week pickup vs Giants’ weak run defense.
  • Bam Knight (Cardinals): Clear starter due to injuries, especially if Trey Benson is out.
  • Jalen Wright (Dolphins): High upside if Devon Achane is out, but riskier due to Monday night schedule.
• Second Tier: Devin Singletary, Sean Tucker, other “handcuffs”.
• Key Advice: Prioritize high-upside options, understand matchups, and be aggressive with handcuffs when clear starters emerge.

Wide Receivers (41:16–50:18)

• Options:
  • Luther Burden (Bears): If Roman Odunze remains out.
  • Jaden Reed (Packers): Consistent role, especially if you need a floor.
  • Jaden Higgins (Texans), Ryan Flournoy (Cowboys), Jalen Coker (Panthers): Upside streamers based on injury news and matchups.
• Weather Consideration: Chicago forecasted for 8°F—push players indoors if possible! (45:42)

Tight Ends (51:00–57:03)

• Harold Fannin (Browns): Top streaming option; elite usage with Shadur Sanders at QB.
• Isaiah Likely (Ravens): Thrives against Bengals’ defense.
• Darren Waller (Dolphins), Colson Loveland (Bears), Theo Johnson (Giants): Other solid choices, particularly if stashing for coming weeks.

Quarterbacks (59:25–60:11)

• Marcus Mariota (Washington): Rushing upside and good matchup vs Giants.
• C.J. Stroud (Texans): Trustworthy option if Mariota is unavailable.
• Tyler Shough (Jets), J.J. McCarthy (Vikings): Deep league emergency streamers.
• DEF Targets: Jags, Niners, Bears, Dallas, and stashes for future weeks (Chiefs, Bills, Patriots).

Kickers (62:00–62:59)

• Top Targets: Brandon Aubrey, Jason Myers, Cameron Dicker, Jake Bates, Chris Boswell.
• Indoors Preference: Prefer dome/south kickers (Fairbairn, Mevis) over players in poor weather.

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4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

From the Eagles-Chargers Reaction

• “Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown are like a couple that knows they are emotionally cheating on each other.” – Craig (13:18)
• “Every time [Hurts] throws the ball away, it looks too hard... like a tennis grunt.” – Danny Heifetz (08:39)
• “The most excruciating fantasy game ever.” – Danny Heifetz (03:05)

Rivers & the “Aging QB Carousel”

• “Get back to bed, grandpa!” – Danny Kelly, joking about Rivers playing at age 44 (21:18)
• “Brady would be better than 22 NFL quarterbacks right now with no practice.” – Craig (27:47)

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5. Listener Engagement, Trivia, & Community

• Trivia Showdowns: The hosts play multiple rounds of trivia to determine waiver-pick priority, with playful bickering and wild guesses (ex. “How many Hawaiian islands?” at 47:05).
• Emails & Group Chat Chaos: Listeners are encouraged to share their heartbreaks, suggest new fantasy terminology, or propose starting a Discord to process the Hurts debacle.
• Fantasy Court: Regular call for fantasy dilemma emails to [e-mail].

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6. Glossary, Terms, and Running Jokes

• “Fart or Shart” Segments: Fantasy term play occurs, laughing off a listener suggestion to add “false fart” to the pantheon of fantasy terms. (69:48)
• The “Snake Bag”: League in-joke about beer-shotgunning punishments.
• Innovations & Inside Bits: “Craig is going to release a playoff elimination statement like Notre Dame.” (33:39)

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7. Episode Structure Summary

• [00:18–19:11] Jalen Hurts’ Monday Night Disaster: Emotional venting, group therapy, and playoff implications for fantasy managers
• [19:11–26:49] Chargers’ win, Rivers comeback rumors, and quarterback injuries across the league
• [26:49–62:59] Week 15 Waivers: In-depth position-by-position discussion, including RB, WR, TE, QB, DEF, K, plus trivia segments
• [63:00–71:11] Listener emails: Nicknames for Josh Allen, fantasy terms, high school referee stories, and meta-podcasting reflection on trivia fairness
• [71:11–end] Closing banter: “Fart or Shart” lexicon, credits, and musical send-off

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Why You Should Listen

This episode masterfully balances actionable advice for fantasy football playoff survival and the communal catharsis needed after a week of wild outcomes. Highlights include visceral reactions to Jalen Hurts’ all-time dud, accessible humor about the madness of NFL injuries (and ancient QBs), detailed matchup and waiver analysis, plus signature listener engagement.

Perfect for:

• Listeners seeking tactical Week 15 advice across all positions
• Fantasy managers reeling from Monday night disasters
• Fans of sharp, relatable, and unfiltered NFL banter

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Missed the show?
You’ll laugh, you’ll commiserate, and—if you heed their waiver wire advice—you’ll have a fighting chance in your fantasy playoffs. Email the show for a shot at some group therapy, and for god’s sake, don’t let Jalen Hurts (or Grandpa Phil Rivers) decide your fantasy fate again.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphens and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Greg Korobek. And we are going over all the players you should add entering week 15. But first, we are going to have to talk about a genuine fantasy football catastrophe. That was the Eagles Chargers Monday night football game. Danny Kelly, I think, is angrier than I have ever seen him for anything ever in the regular season that did not involve his own team. Deaca, how are you?

[B]

I think this game by Jalen Hurts goes in the. It goes on Mount Rushmore of like the most frustrating, maddening, infuriating games of all time for fantasy. Like right up there in my mind with Alvin Camara scoring six touchdowns. Was it on Christmas Day that he.

[C]

Said yes, it was. Yeah.

[B]

Christmas miracle. Six touchdown game to boot. My, like, really good team out of the playoffs. Jalen Hurts just taking a giant steaming dump on all of us.

[C]

Why? What did he. Did he, like, throw a pick and fumble the ball in the same place?

[B]

Player ever to have two turnovers in one play. The fricking guy, he had five turnovers, four picks. This guy had four picks.

[C]

He doesn't.

[B]

He refuses to throw a pick the rest of the fucking season and then he throws four picks and fumbles in this game.

[C]

Yeah, so I am livid. Look, actually, I usually. They say, don't talk about your fantasy team. Nobody cares. Dk, I actually want you to tell everybody what your fantasy situation was.

[B]

Okay? So first of all, he didn't get zero. He got 0.4.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So I did not have to shotgun because as you guys know, in my league, shotgunning is if you get a zero or less. Yeah. Um, however, I was sweating this game down to the very last second because not only was a shotgun at play, we have this thing called the snake bag where if you like, if you're the last person to shotgun in any given season, you have to pay. I forget what it is. Like, it was. It came out to like $100. It was basically, I think $5 for every shotgun that happened over the whole season. So I was like, not only going to have to shotgun a beer, I was going to have to pay someone the, like the Snake bag money or whatever. And I was going to be. And I also lost, by the way, today. And I'm like, in a very critical race for playoff standings. So I was just absolutely furious at Jaylen Herz. Like, this was an all time dud performance. It's actually a little bit relieving because now we no longer have to defend him, right? Like now. Now it's over. We don't ever have to defend him again. We. Everyone knows he's not good. End of story.

[A]

I got a text from my friend who's an Eagles fan in the middle of this game and then said. He said, shout out to Foley. He said, jaylen Herz, his brain is broken. His faith in this team, his offense has been shattered. And then Jaylen Herz turned it over three more times after he sent that text message and. And.

[B]

And made absolutely zero sign of any emotion whatsoever.

[A]

He's like a football monk. Craig, what. What is your reaction to this? I think that this was. This was a catast. I think this is one of the most excruciating fantasy games ever.

[C]

I. I don't want to say I called it, but on the Thursday show, I was like, this Monday night game, everyone's going to have a lot of fantasy implications coming to this game, and everybody is going to suck. A.J. brown was fine.

[B]

No, he was. He was one of the picks. Was his fault. So, like, I'm also A.J. brown. Never again. I'm never drafting you again.

[A]

Six catches, three straight games, 100 yards for A.J. brown. Three straight Eagles losses. Coincidence?

[B]

No.

[C]

But, yeah, man, you know what? DK's right. Where I agree with him is that what this has done to me is. I'm glad it's over. I'm glad my team is dead. I also had A.J. brown in A. In a matchup that could have got me into the playoffs. I needed 24 points out of. Out of. Sorry. Not A.J. brown. Jalen Hurts. I needed 24 points out of Jalen Hurts and Lad McConkey 24. My friend texted me. He's like, oh, you're like, minus 300 to do that. They scored five combined.

[A]

It's. It's so.

[C]

It is a. It is a disaster. But what I was. What I was saying was, is I'm now happy that I never have to have Jalen Hurts on a team of mine ever again. And that is so freeing to. I will never do it. I don't care if it's free. A dollar in the auction. I don't want them. I don't want to watch him throw the ball anymore ever again.

[A]

Jalen Hurts gets paid, like, $50 million a year to be quarterback in the NFL. And I. This game was actually insane. I mean, so The Chargers won 22 to 19. If you didn't watch this game, I. In overtime, and I thought it was going to be a tie. And I've never once in my life thought, I think this game's going to be tie in the middle of the fourth quarter. But I texted you guys, I think this game's going to be a tie in the middle of the fourth quarter. I the way I would describe this game, I have never felt more like an indoors game in a dome was actually being played in the rain. I kept waiting for so you know what I mean? It looked like no one could hold onto the ball. The Chargers couldn't block. Herbert could. Every running back trying to block Nicobi Dean was getting rocked. Justin Herbert could not hold onto the ball because of his broken hand. They got surgery on six days ago. Jalen hurts. The entire offense was Jalen hurts. Just not throwing to his first read because it was covered. Sprinting and then throwing the ball away. And then Troyman's like, he's got to see the check down. And then before Trachman's sentence was finished, he would throw a pick on the next play. That happened like three times.

[C]

There was a sequence in this game where there was five turnovers in 11 plays.

[A]

Which did that include? The one where there was three turnovers on one fucking play. Cause that was insane.

[C]

Yeah. Five turnovers in 11 plays.

[A]

With all that said, get your thoughts together. We have to take a break to chime and we have to come back in and still talk about this game.

[C]

Okay? Yeah. All right.

[A]

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[C]

I Do you guys think the right team won the game?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

No. Which is crazy.

[A]

Like, it should have been, right?

[C]

It should have been a tie.

[A]

It should have been a tie. I think that was. Of all the ties I've ever watched, that was the most tie game this Was too.

[C]

I mean, what I learned watching this game was both these teams are bad. And this win does not change my opinion of the Chargers at all. It continues to make me believe that Herbert is a superhero. And what he continues to do every single season with, like, homeless guys on the offensive line and broken bones and torn ligaments. Every single season. He led the team in rushing. Today, he had 66 yards rushing on 10 carries. By the end of the game, they're just designing runs for him. I know.

[B]

That was, like, the only thing that worked.

[C]

I mean, it's unbelievable what Justin Herbert does in the. And then at the end of the game. I don't know if you guys saw it. They caught it on camera. The sideline reporter is trying to go up to him, do a postgame interview on the field. You can literally hear him say, they basically cut to them too early. She thought he got him. They, they hadn't gotten them yet. The camera cuts to them, and she's like, hey, can I talk to you? And he's like, hey, I really just want to go celebrate with my teammates. I don't want to talk to you. And then she's like, no, please stay. And he's like, okay, fine. But, dude, Justin Herbert. Watching what Justin Herbert embodies as a quarterback versus Jalen Hurts on the other side of the field, who, who has five turnovers in the game and is sitting on the sidelines like he's on a morphine drip. It's unbelievable.

[A]

You know, Bill used to have the thing of whether you could test whether coaches were alive, like alive or dead on the sideline, like Jim Caldwell. People didn't blink. Jaylen Herz is the first athlete I've ever wondered if he was alive on, on the sideline. And like, that's a superpower. Really cool when he's playing well and they're winning. And like, the side, the railings falling over in Washington Stadium, and he doesn't blink. But in games like this, I, I, I have so many icks from this Jalen Hurts game, but the one that sticks with me is also every time he throws the ball away, it looks too hard. Like, even when he's on the run, it looks like he has to fucking put everything it just to get the ball to the sideline.

[C]

Yeah, there's like a probably like a tennis grunt with it. He's like, I, I, I.

[A]

It's true a tennis, but on. But he had at one point a pick that was dropped, and then they had a punt and it was overturned. And then the next drive he came, comes back throw and then has the 2 turnover the 3 turnover play like he throws the pick and then Will Shipley forces a fumble and Jalen Hurts recovers it and then he gets stripped again which is Elias Sportsboro bureau confirmed is the only on record play ever where one person turned it over.

[C]

He lost four points in a play.

[A]

I I know no one we do a good job not talking about our teams on this fantasy show. But like I I had Hertz and Kymani Vidal, I needed 20 points to get a first round buy. Kamani Vidal got seven of the 20 points on the second play of the game. So I needed 13 points. And over the next three hours they got like five more points and including Jaylen Herz taking away four on one play it I but there's so many people like this. Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com I was wondering if people who started Herz up half a point were going to lose this game because he like Herz was going to lose net points in this performance.

[B]

This game. It felt to me and again sorry for talking about our fantasy leagues but I think I I feel like people, a lot of people had the same experience.

[A]

Every league had this.

[C]

I mean if we released the group chat today, we texted more today over one game than we did on we.

[B]

Can'T really there was 14 we I had, I was down four points. I needed Jalen Hurts to outscore the Eagles defense by four points and I was like, I'm pretty sure God hates me because Jalen Hurts would turn the ball over and then the Eagles defense would turn around and fucking create a turnover. And I was just like okay, I'm, I'm done. I can't handle this. I can't watch. I did a, I just did a shotgun anyway just because Jaylen Herz made me so mad.

[C]

So we have a weekly, our weekly Shield Kapadia tweet. Shield Kapadia, our friend here at the ringer, he tweeted today after the game zooming out. That's now five straight games where the Eagles have finished with A success rate 30th percentile or worse. One touchdown on 13 offensive possessions today. The Eagles are now 28th in offensive success rate on the season and the.

[A]

One touchdown was fake. It was a tush push where they just did they It's a three year long con where they did the tush push and it's a great design. They're reinventing the the origins of football and but they just did a toss to Saquon off the tush push and he ran 60 yards, like, untouched for a touchdown. That was the only play they had in the whole game that got anything that wasn't to A.J. brown. I, I the Herz. I know we've been hard on Herz and I know we've talked about Herz a lot. Eagles fans, it's actually been sad because we watched them go from the super bowl where they were so mad that Herz wasn't getting the respect he needed at super bowl mvp. Like, we had a video talk about how good the Eagles offense was or the whole roster and coaching, and DK got screamed out by thousands of Eagles fans who were like, you didn't mention Herz early enough in the video. And then like, it was like six.

[B]

Months straight and 11 months.

[C]

We should repost that video right now.

[A]

We should post the video again 11 months later. I no, I don't think Eagles fans are 100% confident Jaylen Herz should be the quarterback of the team next year. I mean, he had, he had four interceptions tonight. And even the one that wasn't his fault was to A.J. brown, who it was a high throw and then A.J. brown. I don't Business decisions a little. It was just like he was going to. It was a hospital ball and A.J. brown was distracted because he was going to get lit the fuck up again.

[B]

Also, he dropped the best throw that Jalen Hurts made tonight, too.

[C]

Yeah, bad game.

[A]

Oh, yeah. The ends, which. Well, don't forget the first drive. There was a ball that was in the end zone, but also, yes, dk, they should have had the game winner in the end zone. That was a hard catch, but it's like, that's what the money's for. He should have caught it again in.

[B]

Overtime, laid it up there perfectly for him.

[A]

It was not tipped.

[C]

He should have caught that.

[A]

That was Hertz's best throw. You're right. But the other one, the overtime when they, they. I think I forget there were so many freaking drives, but the Chargers, basically, I think they, they set like seven or maybe even probably seven guys on the blitz to try to knock the Eagles out of field. Go range. And Hertz identified immediately, put it up. And A.J. brown, as the ball's landing, is trying to push off the cornerback and catch it with one hand, which is like, you're ahead of him. Catch with the ball with two hands, the game is over. If you make this, he just needs.

[B]

To, he needs to look like he's trying harder.

[A]

I Craig, in the middle of this.

[B]

He'S the most whatever his aesthetic is, he just, he never looks like he's trying.

[A]

Craig, can I read the text that you sent about A.J. brown and Hertz? Yeah, you texted in the middle of this game. It was so funny.

[B]

Austin just, just this is the worst picture I've ever seen.

It's like a It's Jalen Hurts as.

[C]

Nine doing the JJ McCarthy post.

[A]

Craig said her Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown are like a couple that knows they are emotionally cheating on each other.

[C]

There was a J Jalen Hurts like there was one moment I forget after which turnover there were so many he was on the sideline and he tried to like high five all of his teammates to galvanize them except he like wasn't even looking at them or speaking with them. He just walked by and high fived him and AJ Brown like literally looked at him as short as any human being could look at another one. Like it was the quickest like high five like get the out of my face. It is clearly so awkward on this team. I don't. I don't know who's hated the most between Hertz and Sirianni and AJ Brown and what's going on but the vibes are terrible.

[A]

I and again Hertz gets the blame but I still think that this is Nick Sirianni's fault but like it has to it's either the who running who's running the offense or the quarterback. I I get so Jalen Hurts completed 21 of 40 passes and 21 seems high 240 yards, four interceptions, took one sack fumbled also fumbled the ball on the same play he picked which cannot stress enough has never been done in the history of professional football.

Eagles are this is unbelievable game and.

[C]

Hertz is not a top I don't know I mean you you could probably go for a while before if you said I got to start an offense from scratch and Jalen Hurts is your quarterback he is not in the top 10. Fifteen, maybe 20. I don't know. It's a long list.

[A]

Now this is a game is a perfect example of and I know Eagles fans are going to be mad but this is what we're talking about where when the Eagles don't have the best offensive line in the NFL they don't it's like average and they don't have Lane Johnson and and like they still have AJ Brown. Devonte Smith sake 1 Jalen Hurts Drake been pointing this out all night when Jalen Hurts his first read is not there. He cannot play from the pocket but he also can't throw on the run, so he's not creating out of structure either. Like, the scrambles. Like, he's just running to the sideline and throwing the ball away like seven times a game.

[B]

He.

[C]

He's a little bit, like, basically athletic. Derek Carr sometimes where.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You know what I mean? Where it's like, dude, you just bail immediately and throw the ball away every single time. And it is so frustrating to watch.

[A]

It is.

[C]

It is. I mean, fantasy murder of the year is.

[B]

I mean, it's just the. The irony of the guy who, like, never turns the ball over having five turnovers in the, you know, last regular season game of. Of the season.

[A]

The first half of the season, the Eagles had three turnovers on the year, and that was the fewest in the history of the NFL. They had three turnovers in. In half a season. And then Jalen Hurts had two turnovers of one fucking play, which is the Eagles entire season in a nutshell. Jason Kelsey was like, yeah, that's kind of like the whole year, right? And then they went to push and shotgun or they went to. They didn't at the goal line. They went shotgun instead. Anyway, I don't. Yeah, the group chat was on fire. Speaking of which, if people would be interested, maybe we'll do a discord. Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if we want to do a discord or something. I don't know. I don't know if any of us particularly even are great at that, but, like, if you'd be interested in a ringer fantasy football discord, let us know.

[C]

Maybe. I. Yeah, I need to commiserate more closely with everyone about what just occurred.

[A]

I was thinking about that tonight because I was just like, I. The. I actually couldn't believe what I was watching, but. Dk, any other thoughts? Where. Dk, where does this rate this? Is this the number one most angry you've been watching a game for fantasy football purposes?

[B]

I think Alvin Camara, scoring six touchdowns, still has a slight lead. But I was very upset in this game. I was. I was livid at points.

It was to the point where I'm, like, kind of grumpy and, like, not spending quality time with my family. Point of, like, this.

[C]

This.

[B]

This game needed to end high.

[C]

Fitz asking that question is just the angriest you've ever been watching the game. Then I immediately just am scrolling up through our text and where DK texted us. I've never been more angry watching the game.

[B]

Check the tape.

[C]

AJ Said. AJ Brown is Also on my never forgive list.

And then you said this is worse than the Alvin Camara 6 touchdown game.

[B]

All right, fine. I guess I'll go with that then. Number one, most angry I've ever been.

[C]

Hi. There was a moment very deep into this game where Hertz had negative points and you texted us, Hertz has negative one points on Yahoo. People who were winning with him might lose that.

[A]

That was a thing. There were people who started him like up half a point. And just. Why would you bench Jalen Hurts in case he gets negative points? What's going to happen? He's going to turn over the ball five times.

[B]

This was like. Yeah, this was a one in a thousand, one in a million outcome game.

[C]

There are going to be.

[B]

Who could have thought this would happen?

[C]

There are probably going to be more people who gave up on Jalen Hurts tonight than any other player of the NFL season this year.

[A]

And you know what's so funny? The Eagles so close to winning the game. The chart. We're letting the Chargers off the hook here.

[C]

They were terrible.

[A]

Too horrific. I mean, the Eagles defense was horrible.

[B]

Tough.

[A]

Watch the Chargers. The Chargers. I mean, The Eagles had three turnovers in the first half and the Chargers were up four points. They kept getting the ball at the 40 yard line and they couldn't move the fucking ball.

[C]

This, this ticked down at the end because the overtime drive, Herbert wasn't really pressured. But the game was about to end in the fourth quarter and Robert Mace tweeted out that per next gen stats, Justin Herbert was pressured on a career high 72% of dropbacks, which was a next gen stats record.

[A]

I mean it was unbelievable how frequently those. And also those pressures were all directly up the A gap. Those pressures were. It was either the center Bradley Boseman was just going the wrong way, which is, I can't stress how embarrassing.

[C]

Their new str. They're going to let a guy in and Herbert just has to like truck the safety and then make the throw. That was like their new blitz pickup was Herbert picks up his own blitz and then rolls out.

[A]

That's. That breaks the math of football. You know, it really. It breaks the math. Unbelievable. Okay, we can get to the rest of the show, but that was absolutely insane. Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com and yeah, I think this game single handedly might inspire us to start a discord. So if you're interested in that, let us know.

[C]

Is that because it sowed so much discord among us?

[A]

Yeah, I think Eagles inspired. All right, let's get to the rest of the show. This episode is brought to you by United Airlines. Flying just got easier with the United Airlines app. Get real time flight updates like a live countdown clock to boarding, even if your screen's locked, as well as play by play directions through the airport with a personalized map. And if you want to make a game time decision and go home early or stay longer, there are no fees to change your flight. Get the united [e-mail] app no fees to change your flight Excludes basic economy applies to flights originating in the US Fare difference may apply. All right, we're going to get into waivers, but first we have to hit some news that just happened here. This is unbelievable. So.

Philip Rivers is working out with the Colts that Phil.

Couldn'T believe it. So Daniel Jones obviously tore his Achilles for the Colts and then Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve with the broken orbital bone in his face. And also he has an eye injury, so he's still an injured reserve. Riley Leonard, the third stringer apparently also has a knee injury. So the only healthy quarterback in the Colts roster is Brett Rippen, who is, I mean, practice squatter. So somehow some way the Colts are so desperate that they have, they are actually bringing Philip Rivers into the facility. I assume to check his pulse because did you say today it's his 44th.

[C]

Birthday today, December 8th is Philip Rivers 44th birthday?

[B]

Craig, not only that, not only is Philip Rivers 44 years old, Philip Rivers is a grandfather.

Is a grandfather.

Is this going to be the first grandfather to play in the NFL that.

[A]

He must be close. I mean, I guess George Blanda was. Dude, that's even better. I was, I thought let's get back.

[B]

Let's get you back to bed.

[A]

Grandpa, literally, grandpa, tell us about the war, dude. Can you imagine Rivers telling all these zoomers on the tongue trying to tell Tyler Warren about playing in the OH4? I mean Philip Rivers with the 04 draft. Tyler Warren was born in like 2001. I Rivers was literally in college when these kids were born in the Colts. I thought the grandpa thinks better. I thought it was crazy. Philip Rivers was named as a semifinalist for the hall of Fame two weeks ago.

Really? Yes, in like, like late November. He was named as trying to boost his case semifinalist I Tom Brady.

[C]

How does this work now though? Like, do they have to remove his name from consideration because now he's if he's back in the league, does he have to wait five more years if he signs?

[A]

I think so. If he signed a real deal and played, yeah, I think he would have to wait five years. He's not going to get it. It doesn't matter. I just think it's insane that he's like that's the two options. It's been 20. So I, I, I played a fun game which was because he hasn't played since January 3, 2021. So I looked up what was the head front page of the New York Times the day Philip Rivers last played in an NFL game and it was the headline was Mike Pence decries Ridiculous challenge from GOP Lawmakers to Overturn election. So like he last played before January 6th. Like that's literally like that even happened yet.

[B]

Interesting, interesting.

[C]

So he was free that day?

[A]

Yeah, he was available. So I'm just, you know, asking questions.

[C]

It is wild.

[B]

He hasn't played since the 2020 season.

[A]

What?

[C]

Why, why, why Philip Rivers? We can't get anyone else. There's no one that you can grab that's better than 44 year old Philip Craig.

[B]

There is nothing. I checked. No one better.

[C]

You checked?

[A]

I mean I assume the reason is because Shane Steichen is the head coach of the Colts. He was with The Chargers for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, I guess seven years overlap, I guess six years overlapping with Rivers. So I think the idea is that Rivers could come in and just know the offense or at least a lot of the offense automatically I guess is the idea. But do we have any current pictures of Phil Rivers?

[B]

Like is how's he looking these days?

[A]

He's been coaching, he's been coaching his kids team in Al In Alabama. He's from the Alabama part of Florida.

[C]

Can they not go get like Russell Wilson or something? They have to get Phil Rivers. I what's Russell Wilson doing? They can't waive him or give them a seventh round pick for Russell Wilson.

[A]

You know what's fucked up? I actually think Rivers would be better than Russell Wilson. I actually think that.

[B]

Yeah, no, he would be. I think actually, I mean Russell Wilson.

[A]

Remember the last stop?

[C]

You're right. Maybe he hasn't played football in five years and he's a pocket guy. Well, here's 44. How many he hasn't played in five years. Only a year older than is a unicorn freak who did pilates every day and didn't eat tomatoes. Joe Flacco was three years younger than Philip Rivers and he looks old.

[B]

Philip Rivers has 10 kids.

[A]

They keep it 12. Dude. I think it's, he's had some since.

[B]

I think, I think it's 10. The breaking Internet. It's 10.

[C]

Just the age is less of an issue, and it's more how long it's been since he's played football. If Philip Rivers had been in the league this entire time, keeping up with it, I. In theory, you could make a better case. He hasn't played football in five years. You know, that's half a decade. D.J. what were you doing when you were 37, 38.

[B]

I was up to no good, Craig.

[C]

Yeah, you had an earring, long hair at that point. Still.

[B]

Ah, those are the days. This bonkers Phil Rivers had a child born October 30, 2023. He.

[A]

He's still cranking him out. He's still ready.

[B]

I think he. I. I mean, I'm looking at some pictures of him coaching. He looks like he's in shape.

[A]

Well, this is why they need him at the facility, because they actually just. It's going to be so awkward, too. But I just. You're right, though, Craig. I think that the aging is about how long you've been out of the league. Tom Brady, since Rivers retired. Tom Brady won a Super Bowl. Retired, Unretired. Played two more seasons with the Buccaneers, retired again, bought part of a team, became an announcer, announced a different super bowl, and then is now announcing again.

Rivers was out the entire time. I also.

[B]

Maybe he's just been getting healthy, guys.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

It's. It's.

[C]

Maybe they should get Tom Brady.

[A]

They should. I mean, I think Brady would be. Brady would be better than Brady's 48.

[B]

48.

[A]

Is that true? That's not true. You made that up.

[C]

I mean, he retired at 45. It's been three years.

[A]

Oh, he is. He's 48.

[C]

Has it been three years since he retired? Yeah.

[B]

God damn it. Time goes by too fast.

[C]

Anyway. This is.

[A]

It's just not.

[C]

This is not going to work.

[A]

We might have to do for Power Hour tomorrow. We're just going to like, I really want this situation.

[C]

It's bad when Ian Rapoport has to tweet. This is real.

[A]

Yeah, it's not great. That's like, this is the end when it's like, never again. This is real. It's like, oh, God.

[C]

All right, well, this is real. It's so good.

[A]

We'll come up with a better solution for the Colts tomorrow on Power Hour, probably. So in the interim.

Let'S get to waivers. I'm sure the number one waiver this week could be Phil Rivers. Surely that'll fix everything. So we're gonna go through waivers again. Emails, trivia, ringer fantasy football Gmail dot com. Dude, he's actually probably not even in a player pool. Wait, let me check Yahoo real quick. Do you. They probably took him out.

[C]

Dude. The Colts play the Seahawk? No, the Seahawks next week.

44 year old Phil Rivers in Seattle.

[B]

He's not going to play this week.

[A]

Can you imagine those going to.

[C]

Riley Leonard is weak to it.

[A]

Ripping.

Sacrificial limb.

[C]

They should just go wildcat the whole game.

[A]

They might. It might be.

[C]

You know what? Tyler Warren should just play quarterback.

[A]

They might. That might be a better option than Rivers trying to play versus the Seahawks.

[C]

Haven't thrown 10 passes the whole game. It's just mostly him doing read option with Jonathan Taylor.

[A]

I kind of like that DK getting the waivers here.

[B]

What?

[A]

He had a running back entering Week 15 for the fantasy playoffs and you have to win. We're going one week at a time here to stay.

[C]

I'm sorry but Shane Steichen is 40 years old and was a quarterback. He could probably play and maybe be better than Philip Rivers.

[A]

They tried to do that during COVID with the Broncos. The Broncos wondered if the assistant coach could. Could be a quarterback in the NFL rule. No, the NFL is really the problem here. Cause Steichen could play and Brady. They could sign Brady, but it's not for rules.

[C]

Yeah, that'd be crazy to me. He'd be an owner of a different team, a broadcaster and a starting player.

That's like. That's like the 1950s. That's like close box.

[A]

That would be way cooler.

[C]

That's the modern clo.

[A]

Brady has to be better than Max Brosmer at the least. McCarthy.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

I'm just wondering how many quarterbacks Brady would be better than with no practice. Like he had three hours.

[C]

Like the 22nd best quarterback right now. Right. If he came in of of the guys who are currently starting week to week, he's probably like 22 to 25 reigns, right? Yeah.

[B]

What number announcer do you think he is?

[C]

How many announcers are there?

[A]

Philip Rivers and Brady should switch jobs. Rivers is great.

[B]

Let's say there's 32, then he's 32.

[A]

Oh my God.

[C]

No, no, I kid. He's. He's probably 28 in the 20s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rivers should. Brady should be a quarterback for the Colts. Rivers should take his spot as an announcer. I think everyone would be happier.

[C]

Anyway. Sorry I interrupted that. We can get back to running back here.

[B]

All right. I'm going with Blake Corum for the Rams.

[A]

Yeah, that was pretty easy.

[B]

We're going to do this every week. I feel like we've been talking about Blake Corum the last month. You should have already added him. Shame on you for not doing it. He's only rostered in 30, 32% of Yahoo leagues right now. Blowout game last week, obviously against the Cardinals. He rushed 12 times for 128 yards and two touchdowns. He's definitely cut into Kyron Williams workload. Kyron Williams is still the lead back, but you know, I think they're just trying to kind of spread the, spread the workload out a little bit. They play the Lions this week though, so that's kind of tough.

[C]

Is there a little bit of recency bias here? I feel like on the surface the, the sticker shock of Blake Corum's game, you know, 130 yards, two touchdowns, makes you think, oh, obviously Corum. But I'm like, this is his first game in a month with over 10 touches. And I'm like, Chris Rodriguez running back for the Commanders. They're playing the Giants who give up the second most fantasy points to running backs. I look at a guy like Devin Singletary who we don't know if Tyrone Tracy is going to play. He had an injury last week. They went on by, they're playing Washington terrible against the run. I'm like, I actually to me, I think all three of these options are viable. I mean, Jalen Wright throwing. If Devon Achan doesn't play, Jalen Wright going up against the Steelers. I don't think this is like super clear, at least to me.

[B]

I think the way that I look at Corum is if you, if you have to play someone, I would hear your argument that you could play Chris Rodriguez. I think I would maybe do that if you're just looking for a one week fill in. But if you're looking for a potential league winning player, that's Blake Corum. If Kyron Williams like pulls his hammy this weekend, then you're set with a guy for the playoffs that's going to score like 20 points a game.

[C]

But it's your like wild card round. I just want to get to the second round of the playoffs. I need a guy who can maybe score 20 this week. Do you think it's Corum still?

[A]

Yeah, because he just did it last week and I know it was a better matchup against the Cardinals. But the, I think the part that I think you're overlooking is that the Rams are the best offense in the NFL and they're going to get to the red zone every fucking drive and like that's the difference is the Rams genuinely can have seven red zone drives in one game. And so Corum only needs to rotate in every other drive or every three drives and he can still make the red zone two or three times and he can get a touchdown. So the floor is really high. This is also a game where Kyron Williams wasn't hurt. Like, this wasn't even garbage time, where Blake Corn racked this up like he was rotating in. And I think it's a mix of Kyron Williams had an ankle thing, so Blake Corm got a little more run. But when players have performances like this, they earn more playing time. So I think it's much more of a share, like a Zach Sharp and a Ken Walker mix. If the Seahawks could run the ball like I think that's what you're seeing with the Rams right now. So I think, yeah, the lines are tougher matchup. But Chris Rodriguez you could talk me into because the Giants run D is so bad. I wouldn't take any of those other players on the same level as Quorum. I think that would be a mistake. I think it's. If you want to go Chris Rodriguez over Quorum, I wouldn't do that. But I get it. Tyrone, Devin Singletary, I would have way below because Tyrone Tracy said it's a stinger. Also, I don't really trust the Giants offense. I mean, Devin Singletary, you're banking at Devin Singleton goal line guy. Instead of Blake Corum, I would take Corum. And then the other guy you mentioned was Jalen Wright for the Dolphins. Fair. But Devon Hn, he had a rib injury. And my issue is. So I think we've since learned they play Monday night.

[C]

Devon Achan is getting treatment on his ribs. But let's just say this.

[A]

He said he could enter the game, though, and that he could have gone back in. And Mike McDaniel was like, I chose not to put it back in.

[C]

Right. But now he's getting treatment. He's going to miss a couple practices. Let's say tomorrow, Tuesday. You find out Devon H. They're going to play it safe. He's going to miss next week. Is Jalen right your pick?

[A]

I think Jalen, yeah, probably because he got 25 carries last week in the Steelers run D sucks. So if we knew for a fact that Jalen Wright was going to start and Devon Achan was going to miss the game, then yeah, for this week, I was like, jalen Wright's going to get the most touches and the Stewart run defense sucks. The Combination of not knowing that and it being Monday football. Murky's it. But I don't, I kind of don't want to overthink it. Blake Corma's the number three running back last week. Like, I, I don't know. And no one got hurt.

[C]

No, I, I, I'm, I'm fine. Cora. My thing is number one for me. I do think that, like, there are other guys that I, I, I could hear an argument for. And I, I don't think it'd be terrible. And I, I do think if HN's out, which it's going to be tough, Monday Night Football, HN's probably going to play. It's going to. You don't want to wait to determine whether or not.

[A]

Probably for not. Because I think the difference is a lot of leagues. Quorum's probably rostered, and I think what we're agreeing on is a lot of leagues if you're competitive in the playoffs. Quorum's roster, Chris Rodriguez is probably rostered, but Jalen Wright is not. So I think what we're saying is that's probably like the order, right, we're talking about.

[C]

So let's do this right. We'll do the Corum showdown time and then we'll see how this maps out, like, how we rank the remaining guys.

[A]

Okay. Quorum showdown time.

[C]

All right. It is the Blake Corum.

Showdown time.

All right, Trivia update high. Fitz is at 15. I'm right below him with 14. Dks at 9 still.

[B]

I'm basically on Craig's team now.

[C]

You got time, dude. You went, you go 30 today. You're right back in it.

[B]

Really? Oh, okay. I thought this was last time. I guess we're going to do it through the playoffs. Yeah. Okay.

[C]

We got three more good nine zero.

[B]

That will definitely happen.

[C]

Blow us out of the water.

[A]

Dick is like, no, he's just not going to play in the ball game. DK's like, oh, and going home. This is from CJ.

[C]

I'm gonna, by the way, I'm gonna release it when I don't make the ringer Fantasy Football League playoffs. I'm going to release a statement like Notre Dame.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

So prepare for that.

[A]

So CJ says breakfast was two big cups of coffee and a plain bagel with onion and chive cream cheese.

[B]

Sounds great. Okay, I'm into that.

[A]

There is a cat bagels.

[C]

A lot of people are eating bagels. A lot of people eat bagels.

[B]

I do eat a lot of bagels.

[A]

CJ writes there's a capital one commercial. John Travolta dressed as Santa singing Grease Lightning from Grease, which obviously John Travolta originally sang in the movie version of Grease. And a side note in the commercial, one of the lines of the song they cut out in the. In the original lyrics of Greece, they have, you are supreme. The chicxul cream for Greece lightning. And he's wondering why capital one took that out. What reason could that be? Which maybe we should investigate.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But anyway, his question is.

[B]

Google it.

[A]

What date was Grease released in America? The movie.

[B]

Oh, that's a good question.

[A]

You're both shaking your heads.

[B]

Do what? Or are we doing a year?

[A]

A day? A date with a year.

Okay.

[C]

All right, I think I have a guess.

[A]

Okay. Three, two, one.

[C]

June 20, 1978.

[B]

I was gonna say 1976. June 1, 1976.

[A]

The old best June. So my answer, the one I wrote down, I had June. What did I write down here?

[B]

I feel like they're like a summer release.

[A]

I wrote down June 5th, 1971. What did you guys say?

[C]

I said June 20th, 1978.

[B]

I said June 1st.

[C]

It's not 76.

[A]

Really. Craig's really close. June 16th, 1978. Were you two days off or four days off?

[C]

Four days off, baby.

[A]

That's probably the closest gift, the closest guess we've ever had.

[B]

How did you do that, Craig?

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

How'd he do that?

[C]

He did it after seven.

[A]

How'd he do that, K.B.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

How'd he do that?

[A]

What a guess by Craig there. He guessed the movie.

[B]

An absolute dime of a guess.

[A]

KB well, now we go live to. To. To the rigor trivia. Trivia showdown time where Craig has an incredible get. Just watch. Tune in.

[C]

Where Craig Horlbeck is. Is inching in on Heifex for the lead. Trivia.

[B]

Did you just tie him up?

[A]

Yeah, I did. Okay, so you get.

[B]

First of all, we all guessed June, which is weird. Good job, us.

[C]

Well, some of love. And I feel like you kind of know that's a summer movie and then.

[B]

All right, well, don't just take away all the credit that we just got.

[C]

Well, no, I just feel like that's all of our instincts were correct, that it feels like a movie comes out in the summer.

[A]

So do you want Blake Corm or not?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

After the gun to your head incident of last week when we bet Justin Jefferson versus Alec Pierce and then Justin Jefferson second lowest yards of his career, we didn't even mention that. 11 yards.

[C]

Heavyweight. The head with the crown.

Yeah. I'll take Blake warm.

[A]

Okay DK was closer neck than me.

[B]

So the other guy that I wanted to talk about here is Bam Knight for the Cardinals who had not very many points this last week but basically has been the lead back the starting running back for the Cardinals last few games. It does not feel like Trey Benson's coming back. I want to say they have a couple of days to get him back before they have to put him on the season any iron Wednesday.

[A]

They don't activate Trey Benson by Wednesday per the injured reserve rules that he just will not come back this season.

[B]

And he hasn't practiced I think in the whole time.

[A]

Jonathan Gannon said today and I the he and I quote about him returning. John Getdon said we'll see which is a weird thing to say after someone who's been activated for two and a half weeks. I think he understand back yeah there's.

[B]

No reason for him to come back anyway. I think Bam Knight's gonna be the guy for the rest of the year. This week I would not play him because they're playing Houston but if you make it the next couple of weeks they got Atlanta and Cincy so I think I'm going to go with Bam Knight.

[A]

Really and just he's a starting running back on waivers. He is straight up a starting running back and the only reason he's available is because people kept thinking Trey Benson would come back and Trey Benson's not coming back.

[B]

The obvious caveat here is if you have to start someone Bam Knight probably not the guy but if you're just talking about guys you should add to your team. I think that's fair.

[C]

I yeah he and he actually gets a lot of receiving work. He gets about four catches a game.

[A]

And Michael Carter was playing a lot of the garbage time but to me that even means I don't know. I think Bam Knight is gonna I I think you're right. Bam nights are starting right back.

[B]

That's a good one but Chris Rodriguez is a good one as well.

[A]

Well I think this the top tier is very clear to me it's like Blake Corum Bam Knight and then but I agree with what you're saying. We're versus the Texans is an ideal Chris Rodriguez for Washington slowly because the Giants run defense is so bad. Jaden Daniels is probably not playing in this game but Marcus Mario I I still think as bad as Washington look vs. Minnesota the I do think Chris Rodriguez will probably just odds are have a touchdown versus the Giants. So I think that's perfectly fine and even versus the Vikings, he had 10 carries for 52 yards. And again the number one guy though if Jalen Wright, if a chan misses time I would you would certainly want to play Jalen Wright for Miami. I don't know how I would feel about it if HN's gonna play. I don't know if the Steelers run defense is bad enough that you could support both realistically if you actually are down bad enough that you need to play a running back off waivers this week I would try to add Jalen Wright and Chris and I would add two of those four guys of I'm right Chris Rodriguez or Bam Knight and if those guys aren't available like a Devin single Terry for the Giants and then just hope that HN misses the game and you can play Jalen Wright.

[C]

But you think you'd rather have Rodriguez or single Terry rest of season Chris.

[A]

Rodriguez because the the Washington schedule coming up is they get the Giants, the Eagles Cowboys. So the Eagles run defense is like stops and starts. But the Cowboys run defense I'm still not that afraid of. I, I, I think Chris Rodriguez is just another he's a starting running back on a team that has two and a half good matchups coming up, which is more than you can say for these other guys. And Singletary is just a goal line back on the Giants, which take that as you want, take that as you will. I don't know how helpful that is. And then true, you know, there's Sean Tucker in the box, all these other guys are handcuffs. But I don't think at that point we're too far gone for that. So those are running backs. This episode is brought to you by Ford Blue Cruise. It's not just where you're going, it's how you get there. And Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology helps make the journey more enjoyable. We took it for a test drive so we could experience the convenience for ourselves. So I tested the Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology last month and it was amazing. I was blown away. Like we're just on the highway and you can just hit a blinker and it just changes lanes and you can set how many car lengths ahead you want the truck to be in front of or behind the car, like how far you want it from the nearest car. It was amazing. I was, I didn't realize we were there. I felt like I was living the future. So it was absolutely mind blowing. With Ford Blue Cruise, you arrive at your destination ready to take on whatever comes your way. But don't just Take our word for it. Experience the convenience for yourself. Ford Blue Cruise Hands free highway driving for hands on life available feature on Blue Cruise equipped vehicles. Blue Cruise requires a connected services plan and modem activation. Blue Cruise driver assist features can be activated in hands free blue zones and do not replace safe driving and drivers need to control the vehicle. See Ford.com BlueCruise for more details on available plans and hands free models. This episode is brought to you by Velveeta. Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first, who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks and cheesy jarred quesos. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Receivers dk if you had to play receiver this week.

[B]

Hmm, this one's a little tough because there's a handful of guys that I like. I'm going to lean Luther Burden for the Bears. I think this is also just kind of assuming that Roman Dunes is not going to be back immediately. Right now I think they've listed him as week to week and they ruled.

[A]

Him out on Friday, right. Or Saturday. Like they ruled him out. Not. It wasn't like a game time decision for.

[B]

No, they ruled him out pretty early and then they said he was weak to week.

[A]

Oh, stress fracture in his foot for Roma duty.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm gonna go with Luther Burden. He's kind of like just every game gotten a little bit better. His playing time has been increasing. His target rate has increased. DJ Moore is just an absolute afterthought. Just an absolute afterthought.

[C]

An absolute afterthought. KB.

[B]

The Bears play the Browns this week, though, so that's not like the best. But I'm gonna stick with Luther Burton.

[A]

Craig.

[C]

I do love Luther Burden, but he, he still is not playing all that much. Like Zacchaeus is still there. DJ Moore, I don't know. I mean, it's tough. There's guys like Jaden Reed is back for the packers in the mix, but all these guys are. The difficult thing about this, about this week for receivers is they're all playing.

[B]

Great defenses, all playing Denver.

[C]

Jane Reed's playing Denver. Ryan Flournoy is how Al Michaels pronounced it. Is that how it's pronounced?

[A]

Flournoy I thought it's Flournoy, but I also don't know.

[B]

I like to say flower noi.

[C]

Flower noi. That's. I'm sure that's how you spell he. They're playing the Vikings, and then you have. Yeah, Luther Burton's playing the Browns.

[B]

Maybe throw out Jaden Higgins.

[C]

Jaden Higgins on the Texans, they're playing Arizona.

[A]

Jaden Reed on the packers is playing the fucking Broncos, which also isn't sick.

[C]

I don't know, man. I get. If I had to bet my life on this, which my life is already meaningless because it's over.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Void Devon Valley.

[C]

I kind of think I would go with Jaden Higgins. Is that bad?

[B]

No, I. I like that.

[A]

Well, the Texans just gave up 45 points to the Rams, and the Texans aren't exactly the Rams, but I mean, I get the logic.

[C]

You mean the Cardinal.

[B]

Cardinals.

[A]

Sorry, The Cardinals. Yeah.

[C]

I think I'm going to go with Jaden Higgins.

[A]

That's fair. I. I think part of me thinks the answer should be Jaden Reed for the backers because he came on off injured reserve and just immediately had a role for Green Bay. But the fact they're playing Denver, I just think Jade Reed is a noise for the injury at the end zone. And I think he. Over the length of the playoffs to go. Jade Reed. But if I had to play someone for this week, and it's a little dicey, I think the answer is Ryan Flournoy for the Cowboys. And it's a little dicey because CD Lamb has concussion. Well, no, I don't. I mean, when he. When he's out, I. When CD Lamb misses time. I mean, last week, CD Lamb got hurt in the middle of the game. It's the Lions, so the Lions defense isn't great, but Ryan Flor had 13 targets for nine catches, 115 yards and a touchdown. Another when CD Lamb, this time for the Jets. Ryan Flora had nine targets for six catches, 114 yards. Like. And again, if you just look at it, who are the quarterbacks, you guys? You're taking C.J. stroud and the Texans. I mean, there's Jaden Higgins has C.J. stroud, Luther Burden. As Caleb is up and down, I'm like, I know the Vikings defense is tough, but Brian Flores has for years been like a litmus test of like a pass fail for quarterbacks. Dak Prescott's above the line for all the blitzes they're gonna throw in Minnesota. I kind of just do want to bet on Dak to get the Ball and distribute it around to Pickens, Jake Ferguson and Ryan Flournoy, which I, I don't think that's insane, but also if you're listening and that sounds insane with the playoffs online, I think Jaden Reed's like the only guy on this list that will have multiple plays designed for him at the goal line. So I think the floor is Jaden Reed, but I do think Ryan Flannery has like the highest ceiling on this list.

[C]

I just don't like Minnesota.

[A]

I get that. That's fair. But you love Dak.

[C]

You love Dak Dax, great. But a guy named Ryan Flournoy versus Minnesota, I'm like, man, Also, there's a.

[B]

Chance CD comes back.

[A]

If CD oh, sorry. Thank you. If CD plays, you can't play Flannoy. But if CD isn't playing, then I think defenses are very much like, yeah, it's what we were talking about. It's the cloud coverage on Pickens and then make other guys beat you. And he's been the guy. So he's got, I mean, at 13 targets in that game. I will say the other person I would actually do instead of even Jaden Higgins. I think Jalen Coker for the Panthers, who is. He's ever. This is the most available guy on the list. He's 4% rostered. The Panthers were on by. I think he's the most talented player like in the versus mix of talent versus playing time. Like he's an undrafted free agent from a couple years ago. But Jalen Coker is good. He's 6 foot 3 size. The Panthers are playing the Saints. It's indoors, which I don't think can be overstated. Versus it's Monday. We don't know what the weather is going to be in the Chicago Browns game or.

[C]

I'll tell you. Let's. Let's do a trivia right now.

[B]

What do you.

[C]

What do you think the high is in Chicago on Sunday?

[A]

The high 26, 19, 8. Get the fuck out.

[C]

Yeah, we need to get a player, we need to get a player on and ask them like, when. When does the cold actually matter? Is it at like 25? Is it 15? Is it sub 10? When is it actually affecting you as a player?

[A]

But this is. It depends on where they're from. California soft.

[C]

And it probably depends on the position. I But I would love to know if like I would love to ask Luther Burden or something like a player who's been in league a long time, like, when are you like, this is actually so cold. It affects my Play.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good question. Eight probably around the answer. Eight single digits is tough because, you know, It's. Mentally, it's like 100. Yeah, I kind of think Jaden Reeve for the Packers. I guess maybe that should be my answer instead of flying away and then Coker and then Flint away.

[C]

All right, so we're all over the map. So DK's taking Luther, I'm taking Jaden Higgins, and you're taking Jaden Reed.

[A]

Yeah, I'll take you. I. I just. Jaden Reed just. Matt Lefler loves Jaden Reed, dude.

[C]

Yeah.

That'S not a bad pick. I don't. I don't mind Jaden Reed.

[B]

All right, so are we gonna. Are we gonna just do a trivia for fun then?

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

They're all for fun, really? In my book.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So how do I. The question is, is how do I. How do I announce the showdown?

[B]

Do the. Do Jaden Higgins one just for fun.

[C]

No, I'm gonna say them all. Okay. All right. It is the Jaden Reed, Jaden Higgins, Luther Burden.

Showdown time.

All right, High Fitz, let's do this.

[A]

From. I'm redacting it because they wrote no breakfast this morning. Suffering from food poisoning. Typing this on my toilet.

[C]

Oh, geez.

[B]

That's why you're redacting it.

[A]

Gentleman's piss club forgot their name as I copy and pasted it.

Okay, questions. How many Hawaiian islands are there?

[B]

Damn it. I guess.

[C]

It'S never crossed my mind. I know the big ones. I know the main ones, but.

[A]

Well, you've been to Hawaii, so you have a pretty large advantage.

[C]

I don't mean. I. I actually, I'm not sure that's that big of an advantage.

[A]

It didn't come up. No. All right, well, never mind. Well, I have my answer, so you guys let me know.

[C]

I have been to Hawaii many times. I've only been to one island. I've been to Maui.

[A]

So there's at least one.

[C]

So there is one. I. I guarantee there's a couple at least.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

No, I don't know, but it's like.

[B]

I feel like there's probably, like, a hundred little ones, like. And does that count?

[C]

I mean, it's like Greece. How many islands are there in Greece?

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like a hundred movie hundreds?

[C]

No, not the movie.

[A]

Oh.

The country.

[C]

Well, didn't we do one about Sweden? How many islands there are up there?

[A]

I. I don't know.

[B]

In the world.

[C]

It's like, 200. Right.

[A]

More coastline than the state of California.

[B]

There's, like A thousand.

[C]

Oh, was it a thousand?

[B]

Something like that?

[C]

Yeah. Dude, Greece has 6,000 islands.

[A]

That's a lot.

[C]

Okay, anyway, I'm buying.

[B]

I'm.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

3, 2, 1.

[C]

18.

[A]

You said 18. What? You said DK6. What happened to your hundreds thing?

[B]

Well, I'm just going on the low side.

[C]

I think there's a. I think there's a couple. I said a handful.

[A]

I said 60.

[B]

Well, I'm just curious how this question. This question is a little bit.

[A]

The answer is 137.

[B]

Ah, I was going for the bigger ones.

[C]

Damn. What really is an island?

[B]

You know, it's like, is Pluto a planet?

[C]

Right? Like when does it. When is it an island and when is it just a little plot of.

[A]

Land that probably if it's unnamed year round, year round land.

[B]

So sorry, who won by me?

[A]

Okay, I will take Jaden Reed.

[C]

Yeah, I will take Jaden Higgins.

[B]

Cool. I'm gonna take Burden.

[A]

And then if those guys were all gone, would you take Ryan Flannori or Jalen Coker or someone else?

[C]

Why don't we. Why don't we do it again now? High fit, you're up again. Now. Pick a. Pick a second guy.

[A]

Oh, I would take.

I would take Ryan Flannoy. I'd rather go down with Dak than Bryce Young.

[C]

I would take.

[A]

If CD Lamb is out.

[C]

I guess I would take Jayla Coker.

[B]

DK taking Vale.

[A]

You really like Devon Vela? Would you really go to Von Vale over.

[B]

Tyler Shuck is balling the F out right now. You guys, settle down.

He had a 27% target rate this last last week. I'm telling you, he's the number two receiver on this team. None of these options are super excellent. Of course, John Mechi came to mind.

[A]

Yeah, that one. If Tara Taylor's not playing, I don't know if I'm going down with my ship. With Brady Cook at quarterback for the New York Football Jets.

[B]

Shamir. Dk. By the way, did you know Shamir? I don't know how to say his first name. I'm sorry. DK from the Titans. He leads the NFL in all purpose yards.

[A]

Well, he just returns. He returns punts. Right.

[B]

Kicks and kicks. Yeah.

[C]

Good.

[B]

Kick returner. Yeah, punt returner.

[A]

Cool. I also the Nate Yankee had a great stat of. Pff. That Pat Bryant for the Broncos. The Jags allow the most points to X receivers in fantasy this year. So Pat Bryant might maybe just trust Sean Payton. With your season of the line, if you're really, really, really desperate and deeply okay Tight ends. This one people really might need. Dk, who would be your number one tight end?

[B]

AD Harold Fannin from the Browns.

[C]

That's all me too. I mean, Harold Fannin with Shador Sanders is like, I think the number two tight end in fantasy football.

[A]

Shoulder said early when he got the quarterback job, he was like, I'm a big trust guy. And you just. He clearly just gives fan and all the jump balls. And Fanon's awesome. He's a JJ. Zachary Fanon is a 28% target share with Cheater, so I believe he is.

[C]

Only behind McBride, Trey McBride, since Shador has been starting.

[A]

All right, well, that. That was real. That was. That's really easy. Yeah. Harold Fannin.

[C]

All right, that settles it then. It is The Harold Fannin Jr.

Oh, my God. Showdown time.

He got whiskey dick there for a second.

[A]

This is from Dave DeBone. Davey Bo Boy. Breakfast was Chia pudding made with canned coconut milk, bananas, peanut butter, and granola. Oh, wow. And a grapefruit.

[C]

Wait, wait, run through that again.

[A]

Chia pudding made with canned coconut milk, bananas, peanut butter, granola, and a grapefruit.

[C]

What a healthy. What a healthy way to start your day.

[A]

That is a really healthy way to start your day.

[B]

Sounds awful. I'm sorry.

[A]

Sounds horrific. A former Division 2 basketball player just broke the record for most three pointers made in 24 hours. How many three pointers did he make.

[C]

Made in 24 hours?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I think it was a live shooting three point.

[A]

Oh, like a. Oh, like a Guinness world record. But he's trying to do it on YouTube or something.

[C]

I mean.

[B]

24 hours.

[A]

24 hours.

[B]

I hate. I hate math. I hate doing this stuff.

[C]

Wait, sorry. Was it how in a row or total?

[A]

Oh, total. No, total.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. All right.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I got one.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Three, two, one.

[C]

5100.

[A]

Oh, you. What'd you say, DK?

[B]

I said 5000.

[A]

I wrote down 5000 too. We all. You said 5 5. And you said 51, Craig.

[C]

I said 51 because I always want to guess a little bit off a whole round number. Now just. Just in case.

[A]

All right, well, T.K. you can go higher or lower than me.

[C]

You should probably go lower.

[B]

Lower.

[A]

Idiot. It's 5001. No, it's not. It's. The answer is 10,628.

[C]

Bang.

[A]

Which is a lot. It's a lot of three pointers.

[B]

A lot of three pointers.

[A]

I wonder what that guy's breakfast was that day. Okay, so, dk, you get to pick. You get fannin no, Craig gets Fannin.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna go. Sorry.

[C]

Yeah, you're.

[B]

Yeah, you're next.

[A]

I. It's. I think there's two guys. It's between Darren Waller for the Dolphins who I know isn't playing a ton, but I kind of don't care because his next two weeks is the Steelers and the Bengals. I think Waller realistically is probably a better stash if you have a first round buy. I am doing this in the ringer league. I'm stashing Darren waller for week 16 cause he's playing the Bengals. But by that logic, I think you probably for this week want Isaiah likely for the Ravens even though all this motherfucker does is get cut touchdowns called back from week one of like last year. Like all Isaiah likely does is. But, you know, but the Ravens, literally the top tight ends in fantasy this year are just Trey McBride and then tight ends who've played the Bengals. And so when Isaiah likely played the Bengals on Thanksgiving, he had 95 yards and again fumbled the touchdown out of the end zone. He didn't get credit for. He had the touchdown last week that got knocked out of his hands, but that would have been second of the day. So I think Isaiah likely versus the Bengals, if he's available, is a uncommonly good streaming option.

[B]

Yeah, he took my answer on that one. I'll go with Colson Loveland going all bears on mine. What could go wrong?

[A]

Just love the eight degrees.

[B]

Yeah, sounds great.

[C]

The other Carol Fannin is going to be like a top five pick. A tight end in fantasy.

[A]

Next year's the quarterback kind of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fannin's like a receiver man and fan. I mean the comp for him was like an Isaiah likely, like a smaller school, smaller tight end who's really receiver. But I mean Fanon's done more this season than likely kind of ever has in the year.

[B]

You know, he's playing a ton too.

[C]

He looks good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I. I think Fannin's been phenomenal. The other titan, I'll say. And a guy who I think is available is Theo Johnson for the Giants, who I they run a buy. I think he might have gotten cut again. The Giants had two weeks to target Bobby Wagner, who again I. Bobby Wagner, inside lineback for Washington is amazing against the run still, Even though he's 36 and getting a master's or he's getting his NBA right now. But I don't think Bobby Wagner is going to be able to cover tight ends. I know these great coverage right now and I think The Giants. Theo Johnson's also just a really, really good bet for a touchdown off waiver wire tight end.

[C]

He's also. Theo Johnson is a dog. Theo Johnson fought that Patriots player after the Jackson dart hit like it's.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

He's kind of trying to be a disgusting brother with Scatter Boo and dart like he wants to be the bonus Jonas the third. The third.

[A]

Hundred percent. He is quietly the bonus Jonas.

[C]

He's also like, I'm also here too. I'm also a sicko.

[A]

Yeah, he's fighting guys. He's replaced Gato as the Boo Boo super.

[C]

Yeah, I like him. He's also massive.

[A]

He's a huge guy. No. Yeah. Theo Johnson's the man. Shout out to DK and athletic tight ends.

[B]

One of the most athletic testers of all time.

[A]

So, Harold Fannin. So is Mikey sick and you hate his ass.

[B]

Penn State.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

By the way, I would go with.

[B]

Mike Kasicki this week if T. Higgins is out, which he very.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Tegan's a concussed as well. Yeah. So Mike Kosicki probably isn't good.

[B]

Changing my answer to Mike Kisicki.

[A]

Over who?

[B]

Over Loveland.

[A]

Would you take Fannin or Kasiki for this week? Fanon, Would you take Isaiah likely or Gasicki this week?

[B]

Likely.

[A]

And then Kasiki third, I think. Kisiki third, Theo Johnson or Loveland fourth.

[C]

Would you for sure take Fannin over Gasecki?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, they're playing at Chicago again. This is gonna be that. This is the 8 degrees game and the Bengals and Gasicki are playing the Ravens with Burrow.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, I guess you probably do take Fanny because he's been so good. But.

[A]

I know what you're saying during.

[C]

An 8 degree game versus Joe Burrow.

[A]

I. I know what you're saying. It's one of those when it makes sense and then you turn the game on and you're watching the Cleveland Browns and then like the other TVs the Cincinnati Bengals, and you're like, which one of these did I pick with my season on the line?

[B]

Yeah, it's tough. Fanon is going to be more valuable for multiple weeks, though.

[A]

I would say, well, it's one week at a time.

[C]

T. Higgins also might not be back for multiple weeks. He's had two concussions in three weeks.

[B]

Yeah, you're right.

[A]

Also, Kisiki. The week after that the Bengals played the Dolphins. And the Dolphins can't really cover tight ends either. I also don't think the multi week thing. If you're streaming a tight end, you can't think a week like I think you gotta go like if it's. I think that's a tiebreaker.

[C]

No, you got to think like Dom Toretto.

[A]

Quarter mile, quarter mile time.

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Man, there's a lot of quarterback stuff. I mean it's not necessarily all fantasy stuff but I mean Geno Smith is hurts. So Kenny Pickett might be playing for the Raiders shooter. Sanders is going to start for the Browns. I don't think you want those people. I think for fantasy if you actually need to play a quarterback, I think Marcus Mariota for Washington, like he had 24 points versus Denver and then he had negative points last week versus the Vikings. But they're playing the Washington's playing the Giants. The Giants have actually led the most rushing yards per game to quarterbacks opposing quarterbacks fantasy. So I would play Mariota if he's not there. I guess I would play CJ Stroud before I went down with my season online with J.J. mcCarthy. But McCarthy is probably, I guess startable as is Tyler Shuck who is actually Tyler shuck probably over McCarthy for your pride. But I think yeah, Mariota stroud, Tyler Shuck McCarthy and I. I wouldn't be. I can't have my season online play shooter Sanders. So I think those are the guys you don't.

[C]

You're not buying into the Kenny Pickett revenge game in Philadelphia?

[A]

No.

Okay, good though. I mean you just.

[C]

You just wait.

[A]

Can he pick at the filter? The sort defenses I think the Jags defense because if they're playing they're playing the Jets. You're getting either the injured Torod Taylor or injured Justin Fields or undrafted free agent Brady Cook. So I think that is incredible. If the Jags are available. The Niners defense off of buy versus Cam Ward, who I know had a good game but he still takes sacks. And I still think Niners D could have a good game versus Tennessee. Bears defense versus the Browns. That's a big one. Bears defense leads the NFL in turnovers. Shadur Sanders feeling himself off 360 yards. The Browns center Ethan Pochic has a torn Achilles postage. And I mean centers are underrated injuries in terms of offense function. I just think Chider's prime to have a regression. And then if you want to stash for Week 16, Chiefs are facing the Titans. Cam Ward again takes a lot of sacks. Buffalo versus Cleveland. Also, I know the Buffalo defense hasn't been great, but I still kind of think Shador might be a good target. And then week 17, if anyone has cut them because of the buy the Patriots play the jets in week 17. And if anyone cut the Patriots defense because they were on by the jets, whether it's Trod Taylor, Justin Fields or Brady Cook versus the weekly week 17 I think could be profitable.

[C]

Apologies if you mentioned them, but if you're just doing week to week and you'll reassess the following week. Did you mention Dallas? They're playing Minnesota.

[A]

Dallas is also. You could do Dallas as well versus the Vikings. Yeah.

[C]

The Vikings have given up the single most fantasy points to opposing defenses this season.

[A]

I.

[C]

You.

[A]

You could do worse than trying to just target JJ.

[C]

Maybe that's dumb, but I'm like JJ McCarthy. Would you guys say it's more likely he throws three touchdowns or three picks next week?

[A]

Probably three picks.

Yeah.

[B]

All right, you.

[A]

So I do some emails and get out of here.

[B]

Let's do it. Sure.

[A]

Also wait. I'm doing kickers. We never took kickers. I. If they're available. Because I if they're available. They're probably not. Obviously. Brandon Aubrey, Jason Myers in Seattle. Cam Dicker the kicker for the Chargers. Jake Bates for the Lions. Chris Boswell for the Steelers, I would take those guys. I assume they're rostered. If not Kaimi Fairbairn for the Texans who's an awesome kicker. Perfect fantasy kicker. Cause the Texans defense is awesome. The Texans offense cannot score in the red zone. All indoors. Arizona Raiders, Chargers. Don't worry about freaking weather. Kami Fairbairn. Andy Borgales for the Patriots is a good kicker. It's outside so it's not as fun. But the. The. He's just a Vrabel is not a fourth down guy. The Patriots are always in field position. I just think Andy Borgalis carry me Fairbairn, even fricking Harrison Mevis. If you also want to just play the indoors game. The thick kicker. It's tough because the Rams always score in the red zone. But Mavis like me, this camp little thicker kicker. Yeah, I don't like weather. I don't want the fucking Brandon McManus with my season on the line in eight degree weather. Okay. Emails. Craig, you asked for Josh Allen getting a nickname.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So this is from Chris.

[C]

Chris C. Bone.

[A]

Turns out Josh Allen has a nickname. I guess the Bills fans call him the Winter Soldier.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

I don't like that.

[A]

I don't like it either. I'd rather call him Josh Allen.

[B]

I'd rather call him the Snowplow.

[A]

So they call him the.

[C]

That was kind of sick.

[A]

Ryan emailed in and called him the Indomie.

[B]

I don't accept the Winter Soldier.

[C]

Snowplow's gritty.

[A]

What about the indomitable throw man?

[C]

No, really funny. Clever too. Hard to say.

[A]

Someone else emailed in the Buffalo and I was like, oh, that's harder than buff. Someone else just said we should call him Buffalo Bill.

[C]

If his name was Bill, sure, of course.

[B]

But we've run into a problem here. His name's not Bill.

[A]

Could be Bill Merritt. It didn't stop him. All right, Winter Soldier.

[C]

Winter Soldier. I. Nope.

[A]

It's stuck though. Nope.

[C]

I didn't know, did I? Does that ring a bell now?

[A]

See my email somewhere in the recesses of my brain. Of course. Once I got the email that I saw it in ESPN like three times.

[C]

Oh, really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I mean, I get. It's a. It is a. It fits. It's a good name. It's relevant. I understand it. Okay.

[A]

This email is from Shane.

[B]

Shane S. Bone.

[A]

I am. So the subject. Subject line is I'm a football ref in high school and low level college.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

After we went on a referee rant and Shane writes, why? Well, he gets into it. Shane writes, I Fought the urge to send this email for months, but I couldn't hold back this time. I agree that your criticisms of NFL officiating are valid and I cringe when the product looks sloppy, overturning a Booth review, taking 20 minutes to review something that looks obvious to 90% of America, et cetera. From my perspective, part of the problem is that every high level game, and of course every game in the NFL, the game, every game, has evaluators grading the officials and the crew on their performance. And because of that, I tend to notice over corrections on mistakes in prior weeks. So there's points of emphasis. Furthermore, evaluators have different rule interpretations and may want some things called that others don't. So there's a brutal, so he points out, like a brutal missed offensive pass interference that 90% of America saw one week, the next week there's too many offenses, pass interferences and it becomes a point of emphasis. And that is what leads to a lot of overcorrections. No official wants to be that guy who missed the glaring call. So when they're kind of like, oh, like call this this week. Then they all call it.

[C]

It's funny that just, that just feels so, I don't know, unprofessional and like reactive. And that just seems like a very human thing to do. And I don't really see them as that.

[B]

I guess they're subhuman.

[C]

They just, I can't believe that. It's like, well, I don't want people to be mad at me because of last week, so I'll overcompensate this week. I don't know, I just.

[B]

So Shane also seemed like a good system.

[C]

Yeah, I'm like, well, like any, I.

[A]

Don'T know, Shane also writes on top. This one I did. This one I, I, I did not really fully understand. On top of that, the NFL rulebook is incredibly complex. I read it yearly and I find myself going, huh, half the time. The answer is usually not in the rule book. The answer is usually in the case book, which is a separate document that covers all the what if this weird thing happened scenarios.

[C]

So it's literally case law, but for lawyers, but for refs.

[A]

That's why they're all lawyers. So I didn't know this. So for example, the Isaiah likely touchdown ruling would be found in the casebook, not the rulebook, because the rulebook does not explicitly address something like what happens if the receiver is 2 1/2ft down and extends the ball and then as the third foot's coming down, he Loses control.

[C]

And that's called, like, likely v. Pittsburgh 2025.

[B]

So all that's supposed to do with the casebook.

[A]

I need it. So, all that to say, regarding Craig's comment. You couldn't pay me enough to be a ref. He says, in high school games, 95% of the time, everything goes smoothly. And maybe each coach has a question or two, but a call, and we explain what we saw. The other 5% are either really fun or awful.

[C]

Well, I. I feel like as a high school ref, there. There is not 52 cameras for 50 million people to sit on their couch and watch and judge you off of.

[A]

Exactly. I. Oh, the angriest I ever was at a high school ref was on my football team. We had our running back. This was, you know, just, you know, like something you. You beat the guys to the edge and you kind of, like, run through the corner. He ran through the corner and, like, he, like, untouched, like a jog to the corner of the pylon. Just beat everyone. And the ref ruled that the ball never crossed the pylon. The ref ruled that he just ran through the end zone. He didn't, like, knock the pilot over. And the ref was like, well, the ball never crossed the angle of his torso. And the ref starts explaining to my coach that the ball never crossed even though he ran through the end zone.

[C]

Who won that battle?

[A]

We lost because of the. Oh, yeah. No, he. He. The ref.

[C]

I'm saying that call was not overturned. The ref stuck with that call.

[A]

The ref stuck with the call. And the coach. My coach wasn't even angry. He just looked at him, was like, you don't do that, man.

[C]

You don't do that.

[A]

That's.

[C]

You know, you don't do it.

[A]

That's not.

[C]

You got in the end zone. His two feet were in the end.

[B]

Zach, you're the first person to ever call this.

[A]

It's like, fuck, it was his first day probably anyway. All right, so Shane will be a ref correspondent.

[C]

Dude, that's great. We need to get more of those.

[A]

More.

[C]

I want more. Course, like, he needs to be. We need our own Terry McCauley.

[A]

Okay, just to pop in, like, I'll read the trivia and then someone else pops in it. Carlos is like, that's actually wrong. But we don't update the standings.

[C]

You know what somebody asked me over the weekend? They were like, why doesn't Carlos read the trivia and find the trivia so that we can't complain about Heifetz knowing the answer or preparing for the answer for Hours on end. Why doesn't just the.

[A]

I don't know. We have, we have figured out the system, which is when I read the emails, I write down the answer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that. Because I think that it was fair that I had more time to think about it. So I'm like, I'll just answer it like 10 seconds. I'll think about it for like 2. As much time as you guys think. I think 5 seconds and I write it down and then start yelling.

[C]

That cannot be simpler than just the producer finding the questions and asking them, than us relying to us just having to believe that you answer the question in 10 seconds.

[A]

You don't believe me.

[C]

That's not what I'm saying. I mean, this was an outside perspective.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's all.

[A]

Sounds like you don't. Sounds like you don't believe me.

[C]

I, I can see.

[B]

Don't fully.

[C]

I can see their point. It's like, why wouldn't you say fourth person read the trivia question to the three participants? And to me that does make sense.

[A]

Maybe. I.

[C]

It is rare that, you know on trivia night at the bar that the person reading the questions is also participating in the trip.

[A]

Well, not even winning anywhere.

[B]

It's rare.

[C]

You're at first.

[A]

I'm tied for first. Yeah, well, tied for second.

Last one. We can go. This was a pretty great email. All right. This is from David.

[C]

Dave D. Bone.

[A]

Watching a game this weekend when a penalty for false start was announced, I heard in my head, false fart.

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

From listening to many fart or shirt segments. And I immediately thought that false fart could be a part of shart. As in fart shart or false fart.

[C]

Isn'T a false fart. I, I guess. What would that be in the context of that category?

[A]

I think you have to. You, you, you don't. It's like Joe Burrow, like farted like he kind of lost them the game. But it's a false fart. It's like he threw two picks in a row. No one cares. But that's Rams, Panthers.

[C]

That's what a fart is in, in the category. A fart is when it's something that you don't believe is permanent.

[A]

That's true. I just kind of wanted a reason. I think false farts just really false.

[B]

Fart sounds like a shit to me.

[A]

Oh, maybe shar. Oh.

False shart.

[C]

A false fart.

[B]

Maybe it's not a full on shart.

[A]

Maybe a false shart is when you think you have to.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

If there's a difference, once you shard a little bit, there's no difference between sharting a lot.

[C]

Look, I, I, Dave, I want to say thank you for trying to innovate coming in here, but unfortunately, Farter Shard is bulletproof.

[B]

It's perfect as it is.

[C]

I don't know what to say. That thing's fucking ironclad. All right? That thing is locked in and ready to go week after week.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Keep emailing shirts on that institution. Okay.

[C]

Kind of impenetrable.

[A]

All right, I think that's all we got. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Email us your fantasy courts, ringer, fantasy football, gmail.com emails, edits on farter Shart. No false farts. Craig doesn't want any false farts. No false farting.

Thank you, Lord. Lord.

[B]

Thank you. DJ Cool with a K. Yeah, K.

[A]

E, W, L. Let me clear my throat.

[C]

No, I think it's O L.

[A]

Dc.

[C]

If y' all want to party like we do. If y' all want to party like us Let me hear you say it.

It's a good song.

[B]

It is. Gets. Gets the people going. Yeah. I don't know if he did any other songs. That might be his only song that he ever made.

[C]

What a time that was when you could name yourself DJ Cool. And everyone's like, cool name, man.

[B]

I wish. Why didn't I take that?

[C]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Now it's like you could only get away with that if it's, like, incredibly ironic.

Right, DJ Cool?

[B]

I mean, like, if I'm kind of like LMFAO. Yeah.

[C]

Like, if my Twitter handle was like, Mr. Football.

[B]

You know, Mr. Manager.

[A]

Goodbye, everyone.

[C]

Foreign.

[A]

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