Joe Flacco Traded to Cincy, Players You Want to Bench, Fantasy Court, and Heifetz Explains Childbirth

Summary

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Episode Title: Joe Flacco Traded to Cincy, Players You Want to Bench, Fantasy Court, and Heifetz Explains Childbirth
Release Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Overview

In this episode, Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck react to the surprise trade sending Joe Flacco from the Browns to the rival Bengals, analyze players fantasy managers are thinking about benching or cutting ("the five stages of grief"), and preside over a hilarious round of "Fantasy Court"—including deliberations on setting lineups during childbirth. The show balances actionable fantasy insights, comedic therapy for frustrated managers, and irreverent tangents.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

Joe Flacco Traded to the Bengals (03:20–10:34)

• Trade Details: Joe Flacco traded from Browns to Bengals for a minor late-round pick swap—remarkable for being an intra-division QB trade and the first-ever Browns-Bengals trade.
• Reactions:
  • Craig: "I laughed... The Browns are fucking with the Bengals. Joe Flacco has been absolutely atrocious... But he's better than Jake Browning." (03:20–03:45)
  • DK: Mocks "fantasy service"—move only matters for fantasy managers of Bengals skill players, not for real NFL upside. Flacco’s old, slow, behind a bad line: “The last quarterback I would pick to withstand the Bengals OL... is 40-year-old Joe Flacco.” (04:15–04:33)
• NFL History: Heifetz explains the longstanding grudge between franchises—first time in history they’ve dealt, breaking a 60-year “Omerta” due to desperation. (05:31–05:50)
• Fantasy Implications: Marginal real-world impact; Bengals WRs might get a "Flacco bump," especially in PPR with checkdowns.

Power Hour: Bench/Cut Candidates – The Five Stages of Fantasy Grief (11:22–40:47)

Using the “five stages of grief” as a framework, the hosts confront the agony of disappointing fantasy draft picks. They debate bench/cut/hold/buy-low value, offering emotional catharsis and analysis.

1. A.J. Brown (Philadelphia Eagles)

• Stats: WR52, 6.98 PPG—worse than Kevontae Turpin (!)
• Hosts: "Five stages of grief... Week 5 is acceptance: 'Okay, I'm just not going to play him anymore.'" (02:10)
• Advice: Don’t cut; still start him, huge buy-low window. Passing offense will rebound.
• Quote: Heifetz: “You’re a monster if you cut him. But people are thinking about benching.” (12:22)
• Stat: "After disastrous Week 1, he’s 7th in targets per game." (14:29–14:39)

2. Derrick Henry (Baltimore Ravens)

• Stats: 28 fantasy points in Week 1, 28 points since.
• DK: “He looks like the Saddam Hussein statue falling over sometimes...” (16:12–16:14)
• Advice: Benchable this week, but strong hold/buy-low. Upcoming schedule (post-bye) is favorable.

3. & 4. Chase Brown & Tee Higgins (Cincinnati Bengals)

• Chase Brown: Massive offseason sleeper, tanked by Burrow injury & poor production. “One of the least efficient RBs in the NFL. Hard to recreate lightning in a bottle.” (18:21–19:15)
• Tee Higgins: Still must-play in most formats. “You still need to be playing [Higgins].” (19:59)
• Advice: Hold both, but bench Chase Brown until further notice.

5. DJ Moore (Chicago Bears)

• Narration: Managers clung to hope after preseason rumors, but “all that stuff actually did matter.” Target share has cratered below even role players.
• Stats: 28% career target rate — now 16%. “DJ Moore’s target rate is less than Olamide Zaccheaus right now.” (21:13)
• Advice: DO NOT cut, but bench. Could get traded.

6. Jameson Williams (Detroit Lions)

• Disappointment: Dropping from preseason darling to WR57.
• Heifetz: “He’s the hardest to bench because the upside is so high... the new DeSean Jackson—two points or 24.” (24:49)
• Advice: Worth a speculative play due to Detroit D injuries and potential shootouts.

7. RJ Harvey (Denver Broncos)

• GK: “Big L for preseason hype... but look, I was right about Sean Payton again, the guy just loves to rotate.” (26:39–27:28)
• Frustration: Rookie hype lost to consistent J.K. Dobbins production and a three-way RB carousel.
• Advice: Easiest 'buy-low' of any name discussed; “Everyone’s sick of him, but you should trade for Harvey.” (31:58)

8. TreVeyon Henderson (New England Patriots)

• Letdown: Massive preseason hype, but “hasn’t looked very good—only four missed tackles forced.” (32:55)
• Recommendation: Bench until proven otherwise, though opportunity may grow due to RB injuries.

9. Ladd McConkey (LAC Chargers)

• Change in role: More underneath, explosive plays gone. Is now “a borderline flex.” (36:16)
• Comparison: More optimistic than DJ Moore, still part of the offense.

10. Brian Thomas Jr. (Jacksonville Jaguars)

• Catch Rate Concerns: “19th in targets, 73rd in catches. Third-worst catch rate among all WRs.” (38:40)
• Outlook: Highly likely for regression to the mean. Still a hold.

Fantasy Court & Listener Questions (45:34–63:44)

Fantasy Scoring Oddities

• Tennessee/Arizona D/ST Scoring: Chronicling a wild fantasy scoring loophole on a fumble/touchdown play—who should get credit, TD or points allowed? Sometimes “the defense turns into the offense” in the stat book. (47:24–48:57)

ER-Visit Lineup Change Dilemma

• Scenario: Listener Justice asks if he should have been allowed to make a lineup change after spending the night in the ER and missing a Thursday game.
• Hosts Debate:
  • DK: “If you’re in the hospital, that takes precedent.”
  • Craig: Insists on knowing what put him in the hospital! “If you go to the hospital because you need your stomach pumped... that’s your fault.” (55:03–55:28)
• Ruling: Generally, a hospital visit deserves leeway, but setting expectation for all.

Blackmail in Delivery Room? (57:10–63:40)

• Emailer: Claims he stalked brother-in-law’s fantasy transactions and found proof he made a waiver move during his child’s delivery; considers blackmailing him for a trade.
• Hosts:
  • “PROTECT THE SHIELD.” – DK (59:46)
  • “What is he doing 17 minutes before the birth?!” – Heifetz (61:05)
• Advice: Don’t blackmail; don't narc. The real risk is the wife finding out.

Childbirth Sidetracks

• Lots of running jokes about labor, what’s acceptable, and how fantasy priorities clash.
• “Email us labor stories!” — Heifetz soliciting stories about what men did during their partners’ deliveries. (63:07–63:14)

Hilarious Childhood Misunderstanding Emails (64:14–76:49)

• Sam’s story: Mistook "jizzed in my pants" for peed, and blurted it out in the family car (72:22).
• Heifetz’s Austin Powers Goldmember misunderstanding: Believed you’re supposed to have three testicles due to a movie gag (73:53–74:32).
• Danny Kelly: Thought brother’s floss in the toilet was... “that’s what semen is.” (75:00–75:54)
• Hosts encourage more childhood confusion anecdotes.

Miscellany: Platform Rants & Personal Catch-up (76:49–79:46)

• Quick venting over U2’s Apple Music auto-download era.
• Spotify plug.
• Closing banter and thanks.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “The five stages of grief align completely with being disappointed by a fantasy player.” – Heifetz (01:43)
• “I'm just a guy who has AJ Brown on his bench. That's just my season.” – DK (02:18)
• “The last quarterback I would pick to withstand the Bengals OL... is 40-year-old Joe Flacco.” – DK (04:33)
• “It’s funny, Joe Flacco should be the NFL’s rental umbrella.” – Heifetz (05:05)
• “That’s why you don’t take victory laps after Week 1!” – DK, about Derrick Henry’s hot then cold start (16:14)
• “He looks like the Saddam Hussein statue falling down sometimes.” – DK on Derrick Henry (16:12)
• “DJ Moore’s target rate is less than Olamide Zaccheaus right now on the Bears.” – Craig (21:13)
• “He has the same target rate as Rashod Bateman. Less than Calvin Austin. This is horrific.” – Craig (21:53)
• “Easiest ‘buy-low’ of anyone—RJ Harvey. No one wants him.” – Heifetz (31:58)
• “The fantasy community is the only place where grown men argue about third-string RBs on winning teams. Sean Payton’s a Hall of Fame coach, but online everyone screams ‘play the rookie!’” – Heifetz (29:22)
• “What do you do if your brother-in-law sets a fantasy lineup during his wife’s delivery? Is blackmail legal in fantasy court?” – Heifetz (59:33)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Joe Flacco Trade & Reactions: 03:20–10:34
• Power Hour: Bench/Cut Candidates: 11:22–40:47
  • A.J. Brown discussion: 12:03–15:07
  • Derrick Henry: 15:15–16:58
  • Bengals WRs: 17:22–19:59
  • DJ Moore: 20:22–22:57
  • Jameson Williams: 23:01–26:27
  • RJ Harvey: 26:29–31:58
• Fantasy Court (Scoring Oddities/ER Visit/Childbirth): 45:34–63:44
• Listener Emails – Childhood Misunderstandings: 64:14–76:49

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a standout blend of actionable fantasy debate, sharp group therapy for frustrated managers, and hilarious off-topic diversions. The show’s unique flavor leans heavily into the human side of fantasy football, openly acknowledging the pettiness, pain, and comedy of the pursuit. Listeners are encouraged to embrace their “grief,” hold steady through early-season struggles, and share their own stories—on or off the field.

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Transcript

[Danny Heifetz]

This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan.

[Danny Kelly]

Real United Airlines customers.

[Danny Heifetz]

We were returning home, and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kathryn.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Andrew. I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

[Craig Korolbeck]

These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.

[Danny Heifetz]

Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's how good leads the way.

[Danny Heifetz]

This episode is brought to you by Velveeta. Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first. Who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks, and cheesy jarred quesos. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hy. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korolbeck. And today it is Power Hour, where every Wednesday we power rank something. And today we are going to power rank the players we are thinking about benching or maybe even cutting because we hate them so much. Well, it's true. I'm sorry? It's true. They say there are five stages of grief, and I don't know if that's actually true in real life, but it is absolutely true in fantasy football because the five stages of grief completely align with a player who is disappointing you in the five first five weeks of a fantasy football season. Right, Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

They really do. Like, week five is when you start to get fed up and ready to make get rid of them. Do I bench them? Do I cut them? Or do I stick with them?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's like, week one, guy sucks, and you're like, it's denial. It's week one. Who cares? Week two, guy sucks your anger. You're like, hey, Jalen hurts. Throw A.J. brown the ball. Week three, you're like, whatever. Maybe I could trade Ashton Jente or whatever. Week four, you're just depressed. You're like, oh, my.

[Danny Kelly]

Week four is like, nobody wants Ashton Jenti.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Week five actually works so well.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's week four, you're like, damn. No one wants A.J. brown, week five is acceptance. You're like, oh, okay, I'm just not going to play him anymore.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Not my year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't need to play.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just a guy who has AJ Brown on his bench. That's just my season.

[Danny Heifetz]

That is who I am. So we're going to go through the five stages of grief. I know we're going to move in and out because on one hand nobody's cutting A.J. brown. We understand that. So like really talking about benching A.J. brown. And the flip side is it's not controversial to say you're going to bench like RJ Harvey, but people might be thinking about cutting RJ Harvey. And we're going to go through whether we're going to acknowledge your feelings, to give people a space to feel these emotions, while also perhaps advising whether you actually should act on your feelings, which, you know, sometimes it's going with your gut and sometimes that's a huge mistake. So with that said, we're going to go through all that. But first we do have to hit news because there was a pretty. I don't funds the word, but the most shocking late pick swap trade I could remember, which was the Browns traded Joe Flacco to the end 6th round pick to the Cincinnati Bengals for a 5th round pick. They pick swapped to send a quarterback inside their own division. Dk, what was your first reaction to this trade that the Browns sent Joe Flacco to the Bengals?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I laughed. I think I laughed first and then I was like, that's kind of interesting. Number one, it's an intra division trade. You don't hardly ever see two teams in the same division trade with each other, especially quarterbacks. And my first thought was like, oh, the Browns are fucking with the Bengals. Because Joe Flacco has been absolutely atrocious the last couple of years of seasons. But I do think he's better than Jake Browning. So I don't know. I think it's like one of those things where both of these teams kind of know what. Know what they are. And the, the Bengals are just trying to kind of salvage things in the short term. If they, if they thought they could really make the playoffs, I think they probably would have tried to trade for someone better, don't you think? I don't. This just feels kind of like a fan service thing. Like we know, we know this is going horribly and therefore we'll do something, but it's kind of a token move to just placate people. I don't know how, I don't know how I feel about this. I don't think it helps him significantly.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it feels like fantasy service. It feels like.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Right. That's what I was looking at.

[Danny Kelly]

You know what I mean? It feels like they're like, man, we can't just have people benching Jamar Chase and T. Higgins and Chase Brown and fantasy. We got to give them something. It is funny though. It's like how bad the Bengals offensive line is. I would say the last quarterback I would pick to be able to withstand the beating behind the Bengals line is probably like 38 year old stilt Joe Floyd.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's 40. Don't worry, I'm 40 years old.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So it's like I, you know, what's the over under on weeks we're gonna give Joe Flacco. But in general, I'm supportive of this move. I think Joe Flacco should be the all time quarterback of the NFL. What I, I believe the NFL, in order to boost ratings, should have a few quarterbacks that like decide to retire. Like, nobody wants to sign them. Like kind of Joe Flacco, 37, 38. And they. He just works for the NFL. He's like, it's like the hired. Yeah, yeah. And anytime a quarterback gets hurt and the backup sucks, you can rent Joe Flacco. And so I'm happy that the Bengals.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a really good call. Like when we were in Dublin, my hotel had a umbrella rental and it was like €2. And as long as you brought the umbrella back, you could just put the umbrella back into the thing and like you should have that for Joe Flacco. And that's kind of what's going on here. I'm just amazed that one these two teams did it in the division. And if you're wondering, wow, the Browns and Bengals, they made a trade. That's weird. Yeah. This is the first team. This is the first time the Browns and Bengals have ever made a trade. Ever. They have never made a trade.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, which I'll spare. I had a whole nerdy NFL history thing. I'll spare you. But the Browns are called the Browns because of Paul Brown. And then they fired Paul Brown, so he started his own team. That team is called the Cincinnati Bengals. His son still owns the team. So they had never made a trade because his son is like, you fired my dad. And they. Your team is named after my father. It's a very weird dynamic. And then this trade broke the seal of these teams hating each other for 60 years is Joe. That's how desperate the Bengals are. They broke a 60 year or Merta of dealing with this team. And I don't know who's getting out better from this because on one hand, it's weird that the Browns were willing to basically move the 210th pick to the 183rd pick or whatever this is going to end up being to give the Bengals a better quarterback. Like, that's kind of weird in your own division. And the flip side is, to Craig's point, Joe Flacco's 40, what is this offense going to look like? How much under center play action, moving the pocket can you do? How is he really going to be? I don't know. It's weird. But on the other hand, he. It's funny because Jake Browning was dead last in EPA per drop back. They did have to make a change. Joe Flacco was second to last in EPA per drop back.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. It's the only reason why I think an interdivision trade took place is because it just goes to show you what the Browns think of Joe Flacco and how it doesn't matter.

[Craig Korolbeck]

You can have them. Yeah, Better for us.

[Danny Kelly]

Two teams that are probably not going to make the playoffs and, you know, maybe Flacco will help the Bengals win a couple more games and the Browns get a better pick. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I asked someone who works for an NFL team. I just text them because I was like, so shocked by this. And I was like, are you surprised that the Browns didn't just cut Flacco and let the Bengals sign him instead of just giving him to a division rival? Like, I feel like if it goes wrong, the fans are going to be really mad. You know what I mean? Like, the idea, like, what if the Bengals do well with Joe Flacco? And the guy's response was basically, since when have the Cleveland Browns ever cared what anybody thought about them? You know, it's a pretty good answer.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, the guy named his damn team after himself. Browns. Like, he didn't care what anybody thinks. Did he also try to. I'm surprised he went from naming. She's like, all right, Cleveland Browns, because I'm Paul Brown. And then for the Bengals, he was like, let's just do Bengals.

[Danny Heifetz]

They were taken.

[Craig Korolbeck]

His son liked Tigers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Exactly. Just big into Tigers. Diana Rossini at the Athletic reported the Bengals never even called the Giants about James Winston or Russell Wilson, which is too bad because for our purposes, that would have been very fun.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Jamis is definitely the most fantasy player ever. Like the. The player that the fantasy people like and Want him to play. And then everyone else in the league is like, are you kidding? Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

They're like, I'm not gonna do that. We're not gonna.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I'd rather do anything than have Jameis Winston start turnovers a game. Like, we can't win that way. But fantasy people like him for obvious reasons. I mean, he just absolutely throws bombs down the field and turns people. He's like. He's like Matt Stafford light in fantasy. Just every player, every receiver that he has his turns. Great. But I actually understand this from the Bengals point of view that you wouldn't want to do that. I think Flacco. This is how far I've. My opinion is Russell Wilson has fallen. I think Flacco actually probably is a better option than Russell Wilson. What do you think happens? Do you think they should have called Wilson instead?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I. I think ironically, I kind of think Joe Flacco will make the Bengals more fantasy relevant. They did the big. We talked about this on Sunday. The Bengals did need a new quarterback because Jake Browning, nice guy, played beer pong with him. We did it in the Super Bowl. But however, he's been the backup quarterback, I think, for three seasons and has eight interceptions in three and a half games. And it's. This is. If he couldn't beat the Lions, they fell down how they were done, 20 points, 20, 25 points to the Lions.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I mean, they were un. They were non competitive. What's the strongest word you can talk say for, like, not being able to compete? I mean, they were down like 30 points.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the Vikings, too.

[Danny Kelly]

Jamar Chase had like, more tackles than.

[Danny Heifetz]

Three tackles and four catches at one point. Jamar Chase did, which is probably going to remain one of the craziest deaths of the year. And it's like, look, if you've been the backup for three seasons and that's your performance, it's not getting better. So I get that they had to do it. I. Ironically, I don't know if Joe Flacco will make the Bengals better as a team, but I do think he'll make him better for fantasy style, which is funny.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Interesting. I think it's ironic and funny that the Bear. That the Browns had enough quarterbacks to actually trade away a quarterback.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's. Well, well, now, like Shadir Sanders. Dylan Gabriel Bailey's backup.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. So I. We'll see. I mean, I don't know. I. I still kind of don't think it comes down to this. Will the Bengals have good enough record in December that Joe Burrow comes back on the shorter end of the injury timeline. Probably not. That's really what this is about. They ironically, the one year the Bengals start two and oh, instead of 02, they're probably not going to actually be competitive in December. And I don't know if Burrow even comes back this season, which is, you know, important for real life and fantasy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's just brutal. The amount of waiting Bengals fans have to do and Bengals players have to do, like the amount of times that Jamar Chase and T. Higgins have to just be like, all right, I guess it'll have to be next year. 11 more weeks with a backup. Okay, I'll see you next August. It's pretty.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. I feel for them.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's too bad. So we can get a. I have a couple more thoughts on the specific Bengals guys for fantasy, but unless you guys have anything else on Flacco and the Bengals and again, I just can't. A quarterback being set in the division. Crazy. We can get into power ranking guys that were really. We're just accepting. We're accepting these guys. Circumstances and just. Guys, we're thinking about cutting and benching. And again, to be a hundred percent clear, we're not saying you should do it. We're not. If we talk about Derek Henry, we're not saying bench Derek Henry. Definitely. I don't want to get blamed if you end up doing it. And we're also. We're not saying cut like Jameson Williams. I'm not saying that. And if. Don't just do that because this guy's name is in this episode. It's more. We know you've thought about it at some point and we're going to just acknowledge that. But don't just automatically do it. Pull trig. But we're going to acknowledge, we're accepting.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That it's okay if you do that. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, well, for some of you guys, we'll go through. We'll try to be as clear as we can, but again, we're gonna do this Power Hour style. You guys sent me players that basically we have gone through the fight. We're grieving. These are players we're grieving. And you guys sent me a few players that you're grieving. And then I had mine and I ranked them in the order of how much grief I think there is. And if you disagree with it, well, sorry, I made the ranking so you can yell at me. Email serena fantasy football gmail.com if you hate my rankings. And yeah, without further ado you want to just go through power hour here?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Do it.

[Danny Heifetz]

So again, power ranking players were grieving this season, starting with A.J. brown, Philadelphia Eagles. Craig, you sent this in. I think he's easily the number one grief player.

[Danny Kelly]

No secret. We've been talking about him often this season. He's the wide receiver 52. He is averaging 6.98 fantasy points per game. That is less than Kevonte Turpin. Ah, just let's jump scare Craig. Here's what I'll say I A.J. brown is not a cut. Right guys, you shouldn't be cutting him. Should you be starting him is the question. He's been horrific. They are playing the Giants this week on Thursday Night Football and there has been, I mean basically every week. There's like narratives about it. But there was two bad weeks to start the season. He bitched. Week three, he went off. There has now been two more bad weeks for Major Brown. He's. He's commented to the media. Him and Saquon and Jalen Hurts had a private meeting. All these players love having private meetings for a couple hours, I think.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Was that the report that they met for like a few hours?

[Danny Kelly]

It was just A.J. brown going through tapes. He could have thrown it to me there.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then Jalen Hurts is like, remember when I threw it to a here and then you slowed down. It didn't catch a touchdown.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, yeah, well, yeah, it's true. I think you're still starting A.J. brown is. Is I think where I've landed. Do you guys agree?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I think so, yes. I think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

Absolutely. He's a huge buy low. The Giant secondary is not prepared. I think if you can try to get AJ Brown for Thursday Night Football, it's probably the last window you have because I think it's going to turn around. He's going to get the ball. I think the Eagles hot. It's like a hipster take. The Eagles passing offense I don't think will be an issue going forward as much as it has. I think the running offense is an issue because Landon Dickerson, the guard is going to be out. This stat in a nutshell is why I think we've talked about the Eagles so much and also I'm not so worried going forward and I know some people are like, why are we all freaking out with The Eagles? It's 4 and 1. Why are we talking about this? Zach Berman at the athletic kind of stat that I think summed it up. The Eagles have gone three and out on almost half their drives this season. The tush push team three and out half. Not only is that the most in the NFL, that's wild. Oh, more. The Titans are second with Cam Ward. The Eagles have gone three and out 47% of the time. Not only is that the most this season, that is the most any team has done through five weeks in 20 years. Three and a half your drives. That's a lot of plays that aren't happening.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So yeah, coming into the season with. With Brown, real quick. I think the thesis for why we would be excited about him was that their defense is not going to be quite as good. They're going to have to play more snaps. They're going to have to pass more. There's going to be more plays. There's just going to be more fantasy points available in the in like in their offense. And that hasn't really happened at all.

[Danny Kelly]

What's funny, one final stat before we go. The disastrous Week 1. He had one target. After that, he's seventh in targets per game in the NFL.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's going to rebound. I'm telling you, this is your last chance. The giant secondary is unprepared for A.J. brown. Obviously Saquon's. He's releasing a documentary around this game. Obviously Saquon's gonna get his stuff too in this game. The Giants run D is bad. Saquon and you should honestly just same game, parlay AJ Brown and. And Saquon will score a touchdown Thursday. I really don't want to watch that game. Okay. Number two players were grieving here. I guess that whole thing was me not really accepting that A.J. brown's bad.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's the stage of non acceptance.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Not six is by low. Yeah. Comes back around. Number two player. You're grieving this season.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Craig, you sent me this one too. Derek Henry for the Ravens.

[Danny Kelly]

Derek Henry had 28 points in week one. He's had 28 points since. I will Derek Henry. This kind of two pronged. I think you could legitimately bench Derek Henry this week. However, I think Derek Henry is a screaming bilo. They play the Rams without Lamar, most likely. Then they go on by and then they come back and they play the Bears, the Dolphins, the jets. They play the Bengals twice. The Ravens are going to be trying their absolute hardest to sneak into the playoffs. And so I don't think Derrick Henry is washed. I think Derrick Henry is a product of his surroundings. And it's like sometimes, like we said, he looks like Saddam Hussein statue falling down. I think when Lamar's back and they're Playing shitty teams like they're going to look like they did in the first half of week one. I honestly feel that way. So I genuinely think like this week you could bench him for Tony Pollard. DeAndre Swift, Cam Scatter, boo. Like there are. I think he is like a fringe top 24 guy this week. Outside of that, I think you should trade for him.

[Danny Heifetz]

I agree with every word you just said. Craig, what do you think?

[Craig Korolbeck]

DK I think yes, I think I believe that as well. It's funny because this is why you don't do victory laps after one week or at least you probably shouldn't. Because I loved Derek Henry coming into the season and obviously it's been extremely disappointing. But you know, we saw kind of what he could do week one. He had 18 carries, 169 yards and two touchdowns plus a catch for 13 yards. So I mean, I think he's, he's not washed, obviously. I think it's just like Craig said, it's the offense is really, really struggling. You know, they don't have Lamar. The offensive line is not as good as it was last year. Everything is falling apart for the Ravens, but at the end of the day they are going to get back to scoring more points. I mean they scored 40 points in week one. I think the offense will rebound.

[Danny Heifetz]

I totally, I can't stress enough how much the run quality of run defenses the Ravens face as after the buy changes. And if you have Derek Henry, people don't have time. Also people like trading away guys before bye week.

[Danny Kelly]

Also the teams who have Derek Henry, they're probably desperate and they don't want to have to deal with Derek Henry giving you nothing this week and then a buyer. It's like by then you're going to be anyway. So maybe people will want to get.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rid of Derek Henry next guy here, people. You're grieving. I, I just put the Bengals, I put three and four here. I just put Chase Brown and T.

[Danny Kelly]

Higgins, the Flacco bump the flap.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was going to put Jamar Chase here even three and eight quarters into that Bengals Lions game. But then Jamar Chase had two touchdowns and 100 whatever yards. But yeah, when he had three tackles and four catches, I was like him too. You're going to play Jamar Chase now, but you're certainly thinking about benching T. Higgins. You're certainly, I mean you probably already are benching Chase Brown. Chase Brown. I just want to mention Chase Brown, the running back for the Bengals, who is a hugely popular sleeper, obviously wasn't easy to See coming Joe Burrow getting hurt was everything. Chase Brown's averaging eight fantasy points a game, 160 yards and 65 carries. Players who have not gotten 60 carries or sorry, players with 60 carries through five games but not reached 160 yards are like guys at the end of the cruise. It's like zeke Elliott in 2022, Beanie Wells in 2012, Thomas Jones 2010, Mike Alstott 2002. Like that's the list that is so inefficient. Chase Brown has been.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, the problem, I think the reason I never got fully on board with the Chase Brown hype train coming into the season is like, I just wasn't really sure if he's actually that good. And the situation he had last year where he was in a high scoring offense, high acting offense with a ton of other weapons and, and he was getting just an insane amount of touches. He was like one of the, I think since he, once he took over, he led the NFL in touches per game. He was just getting all the volume. This year he's getting 16 touches a game, which is like 20th among running backs. And he's not doing very much with it. He's one of the least efficient running backs in the NFL. So this is, this just reminds me. It's a reminder that, you know, sometimes these guys catch lightning in a bottle and if they're not an elite player, it's hard to like recreate that. And obviously like the Joe Burrow thing is a massive, a massive variable here. But even when Burrow was playing, he wasn't doing a whole lot.

[Danny Kelly]

So I mean, he's a. I would say that Chase Brown is a bench. But hold, I don't think you're cutting him.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think you should probably can't play him. I think you should go get Chase Brown because the Flacco thing again, it could stay bad, but he's still starting running. Flacco averaged eight and a half targets to running backs this season before he got benched. And the Browns. Tom Tom, you know, didn't even introduce Tom Tom. The beginning of power hour. I'm rusty, but I'm like, yeah, Tom, Tom every two minutes. But yeah, the Browns threw a third of their passes to running backs this season, which is, yeah, about as high as it gets in the NFL. So I think Chase Brown will come back around, maybe even in a cheat code. Fantasy football is kind of dumb scoring wise way. But I still think Chase Brown could like be top three in catches for running backs going forward. Teagan's too but that's scarier. There's a lot of respect.

[Danny Kelly]

I think. I think Chase Brown, it's okay to say that this week, like against the packers, you could sit Chase Brown. If you have like Tony Pollard or Cam Scattergoo or something like that. I think T. Higgins, you still need to be playing.

[Danny Heifetz]

Chase Brown and Derek Henry both have matchups that you ask about someone this week, they're like, I don't know. And then they play poorly. And then you're like, next week. They're like, hey, still down for that?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Next up here, guys. You're grieving. DJ Moore receiving.

[Danny Kelly]

This is a good one. We haven't talked about DJ Moore once.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He has been. Yeah, we haven't really talked about him at all. And he's been an absolute disaster. I mean, he was basically a top 50ish pick right in that range in half PPR and he's been an absolute disaster. I mean, like, I was actually very excited about him coming into the season because I thought it was a chance to go against the grain, go against the narrative. Everyone was talking about him possibly getting traded. He was in the doghouse. Like, Ben Johnson was saying all this stuff about, you know, trying harder and like, what you're doing away from the football. I thought there was a chance here that an elite player was going to bounce back and we were going to look at what we were talking about in the preseason and sound stupid. But now I'm like, oh, all that stuff actually did matter. Sometimes that actually really, it does translate to the regular season. He has a worse target rate this year than a Lamade's a Kias.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm sorry, let me say that one again.

[Craig Korolbeck]

DJ Moore's target rate is less than a lamed A Zacchaeus right now on the Bears. He going back three seasons. So the three prior seasons to last year or sorry, to this year, D.J. moore had a 28% target rate. Essentially, he was tied for third among all receivers. Only neighbors and Devonte Adams had a higher target rate in those three seasons. Obviously, neighbors only played one year, so it's really only Devonte Adams had a higher target rate than DJ Moore coming into the season. DJ Moore's target rate this year is 16%, which is 47th or something like that is like really low. And the guy target rate has the same target rate as Rashad Bateman. It's less than Calvin Austin, Trey Tucker and Josh Downs. This is horrific. It's actually. He has two red zone targets this year.

[Danny Kelly]

So where are you? Are you Cut. Hold bench.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I think you have to. I don't think you cut him because there's a chance he gets traded and I still think he's a good player. I don't think his talent is missing. I think it's really just kind of checked out and the team is moving on from him more and more. Like, you know, and like Roma, Dunes has turned into the clear cut number one in this offense. They're getting, they like a lot of days a Kias. They're probably going to get Luther Burden more involved as the season goes along. Colson Levin hasn't done jack yet and he's probably going to get more involved as the season goes along. I don't really know if there's much upside here for DJ Moore on the Bears going forward, but I do think there's a chance the team just tries to move on from him because maybe these. All the, all the signs that they were fed up with his effort and everything like that are real.

[Danny Heifetz]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't cut DG Moore. Definitely wouldn't do.

[Craig Korolbeck]

No, I'm not cutting. I'm not cutting him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Keith Cummings had a joke that was. If I told you before the season that DJ Moore was going to outscore Lad McConkey, Brian Thomas and DJ Brown, you'd be like, Damn, I gotta draft DJ Moore.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, that's brutal.

[Danny Heifetz]

Whoops.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Today he is. It's his. This is the worst target, right, he's had since his rookie year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Another guy we haven't talked about. Number six. Here I have Jameson Williams, receiver for the Detroit Lions. I. If I told. Who do you. If I had to tell you the names, you think Jameson Williams is like ranked around in points per game, what names would you kind of throw out there?

[Danny Kelly]

Calvin Austin. No, it's Calvin Austin's probably outscoring him.

[Danny Heifetz]

But Sterling Shepard is like same points per game as Jameson Williams. Jameson Williams ranks 57th among receivers and points per game. Amman Ross, st. Brown's number two. Jameson's 57th. It's. I mean, been, I mean, considering Jameson Williams the week of the season, got a 26 million dollar a year contract from the Lions. You'd think he would have more than seven catches in the last four games. And this is so unselfish and happy that the Lions are winning these games and not demanding the football at all. He isn't tweeting any bible verses. It's unbelievable. Doesn't even want the ball. Just happy to win games. So that's been horrible.

[Craig Korolbeck]

This is the other side of the Coin here. When you talk about preseason hype and listening to it or not, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Jameson Williams had so much hype this offseason. You couldn't, you couldn't like the, his coaches were absolutely raving about him. There's, there's people that were thinking maybe there's a chance he actually surpasses Amon Ross St. Brown as the team's number one receiver. He was absolutely just, you know, Dan Campbell was glowing every time he talked to him. They gave him an extension in the off season. You know, wheels that for Jameson Williams. And then he has, he has absolutely done nothing. I mean he looks exciting when he touches the football every time. He just doesn't touch the football.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's not that much. I, I do think that he will be better going for you. I, I also. He's the guy that to me is the hardest to bench because the upside's so high. He's, he's kind of to me like almost the new desean Jackson. Not necessarily stylistically beyond being fast, but just that it feels like it's two points or 24 and.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, yeah, I, I think that like the. What's happening to Jameson Williams this year is kind of why I'm high on Luther Burden. Because it feels like Ben Johnson's ability to create those like big downfield spike plays to the kind of downfield threat guy which was Jameson Williams in Detroit, that kind of is Luther Burton in Chicago. And I honestly feel like there's just a little bit less of that now in Detroit with, with the offense and what Jameson's willing to do. Do you think he is a. Like, is he, is he a bench? Don't cut obviously, but is he a bench until further notice, I actually would.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kind of play Jameson Williams.

[Danny Kelly]

You think?

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I would. I. He's of all these guys that would play him. And here's why. The Lions defense is falling apart again like last season. And if you look at the last season for the Lions, the first half of the year the Lions were I think bottom three, 30th in pass attempts. So bottom three in pass attempts. And then their defense fell apart in the second half of the season. The Lions were like top seven in pass attempts. It's kind of happening again. The Lions corner and cornerbacks. DJ Reed, who's a really good quarterback they signed is injured reserve of the hamstring injury. Khalil Dorsey did not play last week in his hurt to. Ryan Arnold, who is a first round pick for the Lions is injured his shoulder maybe out for the entire season. Maybe. And it's Rick Straw, who's another highly drafted cornerback is already after the season. They're starting Rocky Sin and Avante Maddox at cornerback and like they, they have real depth issues in Detroit at cornerback. It is week five going to week six, and they're already literally down their top four guys. I think the Lions are going to go back to shootouts all the time. Not having the luxury of just running 40 times a game with Montgomery and Gibbs. And I think that just means that the difference for Jameson Williams more than anybody of going from two catches a game to five is a big deal. So I'm not promising you he'll get better, but I would not be shocked at all.

[Danny Kelly]

Wild Tom. Tom, disrespect there.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sorry, that was really up of me. How dare I. Number seven guys that you're grieving. RJ Harvey for the Broncos. This is the big L for preseason hype and I will shut down.

[Danny Kelly]

We have back to back coming up.

[Craig Korolbeck]

But yes, yeah, this is a look. I, I still believe you should invest in rookie running backs, especially highly drafted rookie running backs. I still think that's a thing. And, and obviously we've seen so far there's been some huge performances from those guys, but it's not 100% RJ Harvey. And this gives me no pleasure. But look, I was right about Sean Payton again. The guy just a fucking maniac. He just loves to rotate his guys. I think the other thing that I, I was, I underestimated about this whole situation is J.K. dobbins is a lot better than I think we gave him credit for. Certainly I, that I gave him credit for. I think a lot of people thought when they signed him late in the off season that he was just like an insurance piece for them. He's going to be around just in case Harvey gets hurt or whatever. And he is a clear cut number one running back on that team. I mean, through five weeks he's the RB11 on the year. He's been very reliable.

[Danny Kelly]

We should point out that this is exactly what happened with J.K. dobbins last year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, can I. Yeah, early on.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Early on.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, here's my question.

[Danny Kelly]

Like a top 12 guy in the.

[Danny Heifetz]

First month of the season, how many times did we joke that instead of taking a Marian Hampton in the top 40, you should take Naji Harris like a hundredth and then trade Najee Harris for Hampton like week six, obviously Najee Hampton. Najee Harris had the eye injury and then so it didn't really go that way and then now Hampton and Harris are both hurt. But is it the same principle here with RG Harvey and Dobbins, where you had to take Harvey in the sixth round and Dobbins, you could have gotten the 11th, but it's going into week six and J.K. dobbins has such a long history of lower leg issues that couldn't you now flip Dobbins for Harvey and like a really good receiver and then would Harvey take over later in the season? Like, isn't this exactly what we've been saying the whole time about rookie running backs that aren't first round picks?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, but I, I don't feel comfortable doing that really. I mean, I think you're, you're basically banking on a J.K. dobbins injury, which in the past has worked. But I don't know, like if you can necessarily guarantee that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean you're good if you want to do a Tanya Harding, but you're.

[Danny Kelly]

Benching, you're like, you can't start RJ.

[Craig Korolbeck]

You can't play RJ Harvey right now. He has one good week out of five. I mean, and J.K. dobbins has been really consistent. Dobbins has been, you know, double digit points in every, every week and RB13, RB15, RB12, RB29.

[Danny Kelly]

You can't start Harvey until he pops and then you start him.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, right now the other thing is it's a three headed monster in, in Denver and I think there's been some talk like Sean Payton even said he wants to go down to a two man rotation, but it's like, okay, then do it. You're the coach. Like, I don't know what we're waiting for here, but Tyler Bidet is still playing 30, 42% of the third down. So he's like sniping away 42% of the most opportunity situations that, that Harvey could have. So yeah, I mean it's. Right now it's just a mess for fantasy and you just can't start Harvey until either the rotation changes or they start, you know, someone gets hurt.

[Danny Heifetz]

But I don't mean to disrespect TomTom further, but my favorite thing in fantasy, to me, the funniest part of fantasy football is fantasy players complaining about the third running back getting playing time over a rookie running back for a team that's like four and one for Sean Payton who's gonna be a Hall of Fame coach. And people like stop playing this guy. And like you just look up like RG Harvey in any platform everyone's like, stop playing him. And I'm like, well, they're. They're winning.

[Danny Kelly]

Kenneth Gainwell playing over Caleb Johnson. Annoying.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I generally agree with that, but I think in some cases, it's like, coaches are just. They're gonna go with the more experienced guy because they're old school. I mean, Harvey's looked awesome.

[Danny Heifetz]

He looks awesome.

[Craig Korolbeck]

But I just get out there, like, he. I think he leads the NFL in yards after contact per carry.

[Danny Heifetz]

He does, like. And that's kind of why I'm like, okay. Like.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Like, to me, it's just play the guy that's electric that you drafted in the second round. Like, we don't care about Tyler Bday. Like, what are we doing here? It's just I. Obviously, yes, I'm a.

[Danny Kelly]

We don't use bays here in America. We don't care. I'm totally fantasy brain.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yes. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like, s. Jaya. People would vote him off if they could, but, you know, it just kind of keeps sticking around.

[Danny Kelly]

San.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

What a. I don't know what recess of my brain I just pulled back from.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I don't even know what that is.

[Danny Heifetz]

If we get Sanjay in the show, would you guys let. Can we have him on?

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Who is that?

[Danny Heifetz]

The American Idol. He was kind of. He was fine, but, like, then it got too deep into the season, and he should have gone. And Howard Stern had this campaign to keep Sanjaya on American idol, and everyone voted.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I didn't. I didn't know the Howard Stern thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, Howard Stern kept. Because everyone. This was before they realized the Internet was. He was the original Bodie McBoat face, really was Sanjaya, who was good enough to make the top 25, but he didn't deserve to be, like, there with, like, freaking Carrie Underwood or whoever it was that this season. So Howard Stern was like, it'll be funny to mess with American idol if we rig this vote. And so s made, like, top five in almost one American Idol because of Howard D.K.

[Danny Kelly]

He'S from Seattle. You should know him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude. We recognize only two degrees of separation from sin.

[Craig Korolbeck]

If email.

[Danny Kelly]

If you know, local coffee shop.

[Danny Heifetz]

Next week.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

I actually would be interested in talking to Sinjay. Maybe I'll just solopot it. I don't know. You guys don't want to do it? We'll see. Contact us if you know, sir, please.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Last from the past.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Anyway, you guys are. You guys are recommending either buy low on Harvey or certainly hold. I. I agree Hold. I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

I just bench though. I mean we have to be. We have.

[Craig Korolbeck]

You can't hear, but I can't play.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rj. What I'm saying with. I know a lot. I'm like, oh, trade for him. And I'm like, it's hard to make fantasy trades. Of all these people. RJ Harvey's probably definitely the easiest person to acquire because you click on him and he had one good game. It just doesn't play like that's the easiest of all the people. People are going to look and be like, wait, Hassan Haskins for the Chargers is going to play more than this guy because Adam of waivers and trade Archie Harvey. He will be the easiest person to acquire, I think.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah. And the. What differentiates him from the next guy I want to talk about is he's looked really good so far.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sorry, I apologize to Tom Tom directly. Trevion Henderson for the Patriots.

[Danny Kelly]

We just got maybe turn Tom Tom off today.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I know.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe send him home.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sorry, that was my fault.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Send him home. Trayon Henderson from the Patriots. Again, look at the difference between preseason and regular season.

[Danny Kelly]

Guys.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It's a, it's a real thing. Trayon got so much hype in the preseason that he got bumped up to like a third or fourth round pick. I think I picked him in the third round in one draft. Obviously that's not going well for me. He has. First of all, I think that the most surprising thing is he hasn't looked very good. Like to my eye. I don't know if you guys have a different opinion. He only has four missed tackles for us this year, which is 47th out of 50 running backs that have 20 carries this year. He has three runs of 10 plus yards. It's 36th. Well, he's not getting the ball. He's 45th in PFF. Run grade. I. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

It's.

[Craig Korolbeck]

To me it just hasn't popped at all. And, and there's a. Probably that's part of the reason he's not getting any play. Despite the fact Ron Ramondre Stevenson is fumbled. He's leading the NFL in fumbling and, and again. And that's like already been his problem.

[Danny Kelly]

Antonio Gibson also just tore his acl.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

So it's now just these. Because Antonio Gibson was stealing a lot of the third down stuff from Travy and Henderson and now it's just the two of them. I think he's. It's tricky. Like do you try to get cute with it and be like, well, there's no Antonio Gibson this week, do I start Trayvon Henderson or is he for you, just an absolute bench until he goes off?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I think it just depends. But I, I would say bench probably for most teams. He's getting like Craig, you said it last week, he's getting like eight touches a game. Obviously it goes from a three man backfield to a two man backfield, but they still, I feel like Radre Steven has like compromising information on Mike Vrabel or something like that. I don't understand why they keep giving him the ball. They can't trust him at this point.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think you can play Henderson going forward. I. If you have to. Like, I'm not saying you should, but if you have just because the Gibson injury, he's gonna play and they paid.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I really hope you're right. I really hope this is like his. The turning point of the season for him.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it is.

[Danny Kelly]

I also just said he wants to get him back there returning kicks. So I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign.

[Craig Korolbeck]

The law of the transitive, like if, if Kyron Williams can return kicks and then you'd be like the number true.

[Danny Heifetz]

Maybe variable doesn't. Maybe he's like get Henderson in the game and no one can find him because the text on his jersey is so small.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's more, I, I feel more optimistic in the short term about Trayvon Henderson than I do RJ Harvey because of Antonio Gibson.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I agree.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's. Yeah. Next up here, lad McConkey, receiver for the Chargers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. So lad has been really disappointing. Wide receiver, 47. What's funny is if you kind of look under the hood, a lot of the numbers are similar from last year in terms of like target share and things like that. I honestly think it's just like Keenan Allen's here now and Quentin Johnson's a little bit better and the Chargers are struggling offensively. I like that's just kind of it. I think Lad's good. I think when the offense is right, the team's good. But I honestly think he's just splitting the targets between two, three guys now. And it was really just one last year and it barely was that because Quentin Johnson has clearly taken a leap this year. I don't particularly feel like lad McConkey, like, I kind of think what we're seeing is what we're going to get. Maybe it'll tick up a little bit, but I feel like he is kind of like the fourth best receiver on your fantasy team now and he Might have a couple good weeks, but like, I don't know, I just think it's more of like an even split amongst these three guys. Do you guys disagree? Keenan Allen, Quentin and McKie.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, this is a really hard one. I think I would have said a couple weeks ago that I feel strongly that he's going to end up leading the team and receiving. I don't feel quite as strongly after that, like a couple weeks later.

[Danny Kelly]

The biggest difference is that he's become an underneath guy. His explosive play rate has gone from 25% to 9. And it's like Quinn Johnson's the big play guy and KENAN Allen's the third down guy. And then there's kind of McConkey filling in the holes and that's kind of just what the offense is right now.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, he. Last year he had seven receiving touchdowns. This year only has one. He's five receiving. There's five receptions per game last year, that's four. So it's definitely just like ticked down a bit. It's not like that dramatic.

[Danny Kelly]

No. Well, it's just a big play. He's not scoring and there's no big plays. He's become like a. Like a borderline flex. I. I don't even like high. Fitz, would you call him a buy low? I don't think I would.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, he is low. I think the question is whether you should buy low. I, I probably less confident than him and the others because there's stacking issues because it's not just the competition from Keenan Allen and Quentin. Is the offensive line is concerned. Yeah.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It kind of feels like he's kind of like DJ Moore to me. Where I believe in the talent. I think he's still a good player, but something has to change for him to go.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm more optimistic about McConkey than Moore because I would.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree. I think LAD is playable. I think LAD is like your flex play every week and. Cause I. Yeah, I believe. I. I think DJ Moore is like getting phased out of the offense and I feel like lad McConkey is still a part of it. It's just more.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. The difference is I'm way more confident Justin Herbert than Caleb and to Craig's point. Yeah, just Lad's part of the team going forward and DG more probably isn't beyond this season. I agree. Similar thing though. In just a quarter, receivers from last year that were great, that are struggling. The last guy here I have Brian Thomas Jr. For the Jaguars, who, you know, obviously was incredible last year just One of the better rookie seasons we've seen. Overshadowed in some ways because there's so many other guys that were awesome. But Brian Thomas has been absolutely infuriating. You drafted him probably in the second round. And his point, he's got like 9 points, 8 points, 7 points, 9 points, 11 points. Like, he's basically tied with Tory Horton in Seattle as the 40th best receiver in fantasy this year. Which is crazy, right, dk?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I mean, it's brutal. Yeah. It just feels like they. He hasn't been on the same page with Charlie Lawrence at all. Maybe that changes a little bit after last night because it felt like they did get some positive momentum going and like confidence or whatever. But yeah, I think, you know, he's been one of the most disappointing players in fantasy, like full stop. So I do think he's going to continue to improve. But he was always a high variance type guy, kind of like in the DK Metcalf mold where he's like big play Reliant, touchdown Reliant. And there's going to be some down games for sure. And they just haven't gotten on the same page together with him and Trevor Lawrence.

[Danny Kelly]

Is he. What stage of grief are we at here? Are you holding on to him?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm going to test if Bill Simmons listens this far in the show because I'm going to try to pry him off Bill's team in the ringer fantasy league later. But I, I just. Brian, to me it's really simple. He's not catching the balls that are thrown at him. To your point, like the same page.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He's not receiving the footballs, Brian.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, he's, he's. They're sending him not receiving. Brian Thomas ranks 19th in targets, but he's 73rd in catches. 19th targets, 73rd catches. Brian Thomas has the same amount of catches as Travis Hunter, even though Brian Thomas is 60 more, 60% more targets than Travis Hunter. If you rank every, like, qualifying receivers, like, if you just look at guys that meet the bare minimum. There's 177 qualifying receivers this season. Brian Thomas's catch rate, catches divided by targets is third to last, 175th out of 177. That is not a form of regression we always discuss, but that is absolutely going to just go back to freaking even closer to that. Even just below average, like regular below average catch rate for Ryan Thomas will like get him 60% more catches and yards.

[Craig Korolbeck]

His target rate is higher than Emeka Buka.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like Brian Thomas is. Like, maybe he won't be he's like.

[Craig Korolbeck]

The number two or three receiver.

[Danny Heifetz]

Maybe he won't be the second rounder. You drafted him. I. He could be, maybe won't. He will be. Absolutely get better. At the rate the Jaguars offense is.

[Danny Kelly]

Going, this is a good transition out of power hour to give a bringer fantasy football league update. So high. Fitz. So I tried to trade Ashton Genti two Bill for Jamar Chase. He said no. Now you're going to try to trade for Brian Thomas. Can you. Who are you going to trade?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know what he wants. See, my. I think I make a lot of trades. Right. We're in le together. I think I made a good amount of trades. Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, look at your team. Tell me what you think you're going to do. I think it's funny if you try to predict it right now and see.

[Danny Heifetz]

What I don't know because it depends what he wants. My problem with the ringer league is I like my. It's the classic.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, he doesn't want wide receivers. He wants running backs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why now? The problem is I like my running backs, which is the thing you get like really stingy when you have a good record. I have Taylor McCaffrey and Javante and Frank.

[Danny Kelly]

You'd have to give up Javante.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, we'll see. I have to think about it. Javante is like third in fantasy points, but he's third and expected points. It's not like crazy. It's like he's the lead back on the best offense. Like the Cowboys are incredible.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That would be a pretty. I think that would be like a good trade from a process point of view.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Probably kind of don't want to do it though.

[Craig Korolbeck]

But it might not work like. But it might not work out for you or it might not even be a big enough draw for Simmons. Yeah. That's an interesting one, though.

[Danny Heifetz]

We'll see. The. I don't know. We'll see. I got, you know, I got Charbonnet, Chase Brown.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know if he's going to do Charbonnet.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Yes. The three teams are tied at first. Sal, Sean, Finesse and me. Sal's team's crushing.

[Danny Kelly]

Sal's team is a wagon.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I would say the three of us are doing well. We all have winning records. We're all in the top five. Hyphen second. DK's in fourth. I'm in third.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Fifth.

[Danny Kelly]

Bill got his first win. He's no longer in last.

[Danny Heifetz]

He actually tied for last. He just doesn't know he has a win now.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, he's like 40 points above the guy in last, but Bill had a huge week. He put up like 180. He's kind of back two of his five quarterbacks. He started the correct two. He started Trevor Lawrence and Tua. But yeah, it's all going to be like, who can take down Sal? And I have to survive. I managed to squeak out a win without Lamar, so that's the goal. Stay alive. Should I trade for Joe? Joe Flacco, Just like the Ravens.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, just Flacco.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

Wait, I want to ask if can we can we agree right now that if two of us are in the finals of the Ringer Fantasy Football League, you guys have to fly out to LA and we and we do it live in the theater? I feel like we have to do that.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Sure. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, we can do that.

[Danny Kelly]

Is like, oh, that sounds. I guess that's literally Christmas Day.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was. I kind of was waiting for you to realize that.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, we got to make it work. We'll figure it out.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

[Danny Kelly]

How important is Christmas? Just fly out. What better Christmas gift than. Than watching you beating DK in person at Spotify Matteo.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a good question.

[Craig Korolbeck]

If it's.

[Danny Kelly]

Come on me and you, you can.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Come out to Bellingham, hang out.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that's nice. The.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was gonna say. Craig, why don't you. Yeah, you come to Bellingham or D.C. how about that? Come our way for once.

[Danny Kelly]

How are we gonna live stream that? I feel like it's easy.

[Craig Korolbeck]

We'll figure it out.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think we'll figure it out. Maybe, Maybe not. All right.

[Craig Korolbeck]

We're resourceful. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't really want to be handcuffed.

[Danny Kelly]

The dream definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fantasy court. We have a couple funny emails, but first, I want to mention a pretty funny thing. So I. I. In the ring of fantasy league on Yahoo. The only platform for fantasy the world, the scoring was updated. And I don't think Yahoo did this. So they have like a big red. It looks like a hurricane warning system on the front page of the show. And it's. Of the page and it says basically it was about that crazy play where the Titans came over through the pick that the Cardinals fumbled into the end zone and Tyler Lockett recovered it. And the. I think the fantasy. But really the NFL changed the scoring and they changed it to. The Tennessee defense is credited for a touchdown.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, right. This is. We've talked about this before. Like, the offense turns into the detail.

[Danny Heifetz]

So yeah, it's essentially the scoring purpose in the NFL. It's a weird loophole where, like, weird when the defense has the ball, they're kind of the offense now.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Locket, which doesn't get a td.

[Danny Heifetz]

That doesn't really matter because, like, no one was playing him. But what matters is a lot of people probably had the car. Yeah. Did you really?

[Danny Kelly]

I played him in our dynasty league. Get the out where I'm tanking. Yeah.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So it's good for you.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, he lost the touchdown. Oh, yeah. There you go. You like the Giants. Welcome. Congrats. But the Cardinals defense gives up their credited with allowing 16 points instead of.

[Danny Kelly]

22, which is pretty funny because that. That gave them one point extra in fantasy. And I started Arizona's defense this week and I had that close game against House where I won by 0.9 points so that really mattered. Like ended up booting me up to 1.9 but still like that could have. If Mahomes completes a 30 yard pass at the end of that game, that Arizona point adjust adjustment would have given me the win.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the Tennessee defense, I'm sure people also played the Tennessee defense. They get a touchdown even though Tyler Lockett recovered the ball. So I know this doesn't affect everyone, but some people absolutely like just want to match up on a scoring position because they Titans defense get a touchdown on a Tuesday and a play where a wide receiver for the Titans offense got a touchdown.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which is just fantasy. It's just funny. So. Well, I guess the fantasy score question is we probably have to go with official NFL scoring, but if someone's kind of like, that's dumb. Hard to argue with that. That is. Yeah, a receiver got a touchdown. Why does the defense get the point?

[Danny Kelly]

It sucks, but that's the way it is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, that's actually probably the answer. Okay, want to get to some other fantasy court case? We have a couple good ones here. Okay, so it's from Justice. Justice, a little famous fantasy Justice.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Breakfast, he says, I love breakfast. I really eat it. But if I could, I'd eat candy, bacon and pancakes every day.

[Danny Kelly]

Which, candy, comma, bacon or candy bacon?

[Danny Heifetz]

Like brown sugar on a bake. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you could do that, that would be great. Anyway, he says for now, eight buttered bagels will do the trick, which will come in handy later.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like that's pretty close to just having butter baked or candied bacon.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, please.

[Danny Kelly]

At least you're getting some protein with the bacon.

[Danny Heifetz]

Justice says, butter bagel.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you got there?

[Danny Heifetz]

Are you comparing candied bacon and pancakes to a buttered bagel?

[Danny Kelly]

No, just the bacon part. Not, not the pancakes. But like we acted like the buttered bagel was like, oh, thank God, it's so much healthier. You know, it's just pure carbs. It's literally probably right, but a lot.

[Danny Heifetz]

Of people listening are probably pretty insulted that candied bacon's being compared to buttered bagel.

[Craig Korolbeck]

They're not. Neither is good.

[Danny Kelly]

Neither are healthy breakfast is my point.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's probably factually correct for sure. Justice writes, my fantasy league is ruthless. I need to know if I'm in the right or wrong here. I had to go to the emergency room last week on Wednesday night for a bizarre stomach issue. And as a Result, I was there from 11pm What'd you say?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, from all bagels, just the gut bomb in your stomach.

[Danny Heifetz]

X ray, just all bagels.

[Danny Kelly]

It's just candied bacon and bagels everywhere.

[Danny Heifetz]

Austin Powers, what did you eat?

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's funny.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was in the emergency room from 11pm to 8am on Thursday morning. Thursday morning, 8am obviously wasn't super locked into the fantasy roster. Well, I was in the emergency room, come home from the emergency room Thursday morning, hadn't slept, kind of down a butter to bagel, easy on the stomach, you know, pass out, wake up Thursday night football is at halftime. He slept like slept the whole 12 hours after the emergency room and he realizes he has. So this story was a couple of weeks ago, but he realizes Josh Palmer was in his lineup and he's like, no offense to Craig, obviously wasn't trying to play Josh Palmer on purpose. And so he asked the guys in the group chat, he's like, hey, you mind? I may or may not have spent nine hours in a hospital like today, basically, do you mind if I kind of like get to bench Josh Palmer? Because obviously was going to play him. And they responded, quote, you have to live with your decisions.

[Craig Korolbeck]

You know, I'm gonna be a little bit. This is probably rude and I know HIPAA is involved. I would like to know what exactly was the reason for going to the hospital? Was it self affected? Was it because he's living an unhealthy lifestyle?

[Danny Kelly]

You think it matters why he went to the hospital?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

What is, what would an example be? You say you don't care something.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Danny Heifetz]

Like you like you went to the hospital for this and you're like, nope, nope, no, you got to live with the hospital.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's your fault.

[Danny Kelly]

This is somewhat similar to a. Just kidding. That took place in my, one of my leagues. The Jalen Warren situation where Jalen Warren was ruled out in the Dublin game. You know, it's super early 5:36am on the west coast where my all my friends live. And, and one of the guys in my league, Sam was like, hey, I was asleep. Can I like I would have swapped him out for this guy. Is that okay? Can we retroactively do that? Can we retroactively, you know, make that swap? Because I obviously would have done it and it sparked a huge discussion of like should we be forcing everybody to wake up at 6am just to make sure that the guy playing in the game doesn't get hurt or should we allow you to retroactively swap what did you guys decide. We didn't let him swap.

[Danny Heifetz]

What if he had like, I don't know, but I think. In the emergency room for nine hours?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, yeah, it's a decent point. I'm like.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because you're comparing west coast time, like that's the west coast bias of the show that I reel against the West Coast.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it only makes sense.

[Danny Heifetz]

You just compare living on the west coast to being in the emergency room.

[Danny Kelly]

No, obviously not. Because it's the opposite of being in the emergency room. Living on the West Coast. Great vibes out here. Great vibes. No, but the point is, like, if you're not around, it's like, it is kind of ridiculous that you would have to wake up at 6am on a Sunday just to make sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I think more platforms are sick. More platforms are offering like auto subs, which I think is a thing now. And I think that is the right answer, which is just like if a guy's injured or whatever. But like, I think the short answer is if you want to make that a policy, but you need to offer it for like everybody. I think for one person it's like everything to do this and it's whether the commissioner is going to manage that or not.

[Danny Kelly]

I think this guy in the ER deserves a mulligan.

[Danny Heifetz]

He does. But I think, I think part of me is like, he didn't push. I think the friends were just kind of doing a bit and he didn't push hard enough through the bit. Maybe he kind of just let. He relented to the bit.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe this will set a precedent going forward. But I mean, if you're in the hospital, I feel like that's kind of like takes precedent.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Here's the thing that I get hung up on, which is exactly what I just said. He had like a solid 10 hours. Like, I think when he. From when he got home.

[Danny Kelly]

We don't have the context. We don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

We have all the context. He was in the. He did not sleep in the emergency room. He was just there. He went to the emergency room and he was there from a 11 o' clock till 8 in the morning, came home and then he slept for 12 hours.

[Danny Kelly]

So you guys.

[Craig Korolbeck]

And also, why was Josh Palmer in the lineup? I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

That's fair. That's weird.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Well, also, the, the, the friends here, you have to live with your decisions. To me, that like, indicates there was some decision, bad decision making.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he argues it was not. He really writes. I would argue it was not my Decision. I was at the goddamn hospital. It's a question.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk. See, there's different things here. Craig's trying to start a larger conversation about starting and players and DK is like this guy probably didn't even need to go.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He's a little. No, that's not what I'm saying.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kind of.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I was just curious. I need more information here on why he was in the hospital. Let's just assume it was not his fault he ended up in the hospital.

[Danny Kelly]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think victim blaming of the hospital.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I know. Who gives.

[Danny Kelly]

What are you talking about?

[Danny Heifetz]

Whose fault is it when they go to the hospital?

[Danny Kelly]

Like you're telling me, like if he rode a bike without a helmet, then it's like. Well then him, he.

[Danny Heifetz]

He has to start Josh Palmer Ghost Pepper challenge.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He's like doing drugs or drinking too much or something.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

If he went to the hospital at 11 o' clock in your lineup.

[Craig Korolbeck]

If you go to the hospital because you need your stomach pumped.

[Danny Heifetz]

If. OK. If he got his stomach pumped at 11pm on a Thursday. Sure. Like that's all I'm saying. Look, watch the kid.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Know this guy. Maybe, maybe he went there because he was being.

[Danny Kelly]

If he like thought he needed an appendectomy or something and was in terrible.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Stomach pain, let's assume that's what happened.

[Danny Kelly]

He just got blacked out on a Thursday night.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I'm just trying to get the information here. All right. You know, so we can make an impartial. Let's see a decision here.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think this was two weeks ago. We can get it. We can wait another couple days. We can get it. We can ask.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Okay, well, what do you guys think?

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, like what you're saying. I want to know get hipaa. I want to know all the hipaa. We're a court. We can subpoena that or whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. If we can't acquire any more information, I think he should get a mulligan. But I guess we'll wait and see why he went to the.

[Danny Heifetz]

So there you go.

[Craig Korolbeck]

We don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's justice. Just send us your health care records, logins, Social Security numbers, everything will review and. And we'll give you a really.

[Danny Kelly]

You're right though, dk. Them saying live with your decisions is like weirdly cutting and personal for. It's like. It's like placing a lot of somebody who's this having a terrible day.

[Danny Heifetz]

Watch him just.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I almost just made like. Yeah, I almost just made a horrible joke about Mark Sanchez. But like, let's Be honest. We don't know why he was in the hospital.

[Danny Heifetz]

Most people get stabbed don't get arrested.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, yeah. Let's give them a ball again. That's fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, this next one here, it's from redacted. They didn't redact their name.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I did. Wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

The story.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Okay, okay. Our bone.

[Danny Heifetz]

Our bone redacted writes this week. This is the shadow docket. We can't even get names on it. This week my sister had her second baby, which is very exciting.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Congrats.

[Danny Heifetz]

And he says, I'm in a couple fantasy leagues with my sister's husband. Obviously that's my brother in law, but it's my sister's husband. And my brother in law is like most of us really into fantasy football. My sister hates fantasy football. My sister hates all sports with a fiery passion.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the only thing my sister hates, my sister hates more than fantasy football is how much time her husband spends constantly on his phone. This is where it gets interesting. My wife and I. This is now the redacted writing. My wife and I are watching my sister's child while my sister is in the hospital delivering the baby.

[Danny Kelly]

Watching the other child.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. They have an older child, the younger kids getting delivered. So redacted here is watching babysitting the niece or son, I don't know. And the second kid's being delivered by his sister. And as we're patiently waiting for news of whether we're gonna, you know, they're how the baby's doing, I see an alert in the fantasy app that my brother in law has made multiple ad drop roster moves. Nothing shady. Oh no, nothing nefarious. Just added a new defense, got a replacement at receiver. But this was like 4:23pm in the afternoon. So I say to my wife, oh man, must be going slow at the hospital. He just made a fantasy move. Fast forward to 5:37pm or whatever time, and we get a picture of a brand new baby. And I said to my wife, whoa. He must have been tinkering with his lineup during the delivery. My wife immediately furious that a husband could do that. She's not even the one who gave birth. Did a little more research and we find out the baby was born officially at 4:30, which is like 7:12 minutes after he made these moves. So yeah, he was on his phone during the delivery of the baby. And if my sister finds out, she'd be furious. And I'm talking like maybe divorce him for furious. So I've got a few. I've got two options here. Okay, I should be the. I could be the bigger person. Could ignore it. Could pretend like nothing happened. Maybe tease him about it.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Are we talking blackmail here?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he says blackmail my brother in law to trade me a first round pick or a star player or something really valuable so I don't ruin his life, get him divorced by being a narc and rat him out to my sister. What do you think? Is blackmail legal in the eyes of fantasy court?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Very funny story, but no.

[Danny Heifetz]

Probably can't blackmail him. However, let's be real. What do you think of this guy doing the roster lineups during delivery?

[Danny Kelly]

I have a bigger issue with redacted for squealing like a little rat.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Protect the sanctity of the league.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Protect the shield.

[Danny Kelly]

Protect.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's why I redacted his name. He didn't redact his name.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I was like, I'm not.

[Danny Kelly]

See, because also it's. It's. Honestly, it's not up to redacted to whether he's going to squeal. It's up to his wife. His wife is going to squeal.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I wasn't thinking.

[Craig Korolbeck]

What he told his wife.

[Danny Heifetz]

He wasn't thinking. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

The second the words left his mouth and went into his wife's ear is done. She will know. Unless he is going to have to convince his wife not to say anything. But he doesn't have the power in this situation. I don't think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk, what is the. Like, I understand that like when a woman goes into like labor, that can technically be lab labor. Yeah, sounds easy. No, like the water breath. It's not like a TV show, more like fun.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, exactly.

[Danny Heifetz]

Seems super easy. No, but I know that it's like when. So like the. Basically, as you can tell, I don't have any kids, but like when the process starts, it's not necessarily like the panic to run to the hospital, whatever. And it can take like a long time.

[Craig Korolbeck]

However, it can take a long time, but it still hurts like hell.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I know, but I'm saying. But this club, the idea that he was on his phone 15 minutes before like the actual baby was delivered.

[Danny Kelly]

17.

[Craig Korolbeck]

The optics.

[Danny Kelly]

17 minutes.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It doesn't look good. Why?

[Danny Heifetz]

How are you on your phone? And like what is going on? 17 worried about this couple.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, that's not a good look. Not a good look. I don't know what to say. You should probably not be looking on your phone while your wife is either having contractions or in active labor. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

What were the moves that he made? Were they smart.

[Danny Heifetz]

Out of the Texans defense. Incredible job. Ravens did. Probably won his week off that, I guess. Here's my thing.

[Danny Kelly]

Did he, like, sneak in and add dowdle? Like, what happened? Dude?

[Danny Heifetz]

If he got dowdle, though, she should be happy. Dude. Life changing.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, he's. He's honestly, like, trying to, like, make money for his. For his two.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He's trying to make money for his new family.

[Danny Heifetz]

Here's my question, TK Though. What. What is he doing on his. Like, does the. What is he in a position where the wife doesn't see him on his phone or is he pretending? Because even if it's fantasy, I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

This is so case by case. I feel like some people would say, like, go sit over there. I don't want you near me. Some people are like, hold my hand. I feel like you right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you think he's an eyeshot? Like, do you think she sees him on the phone and he's pretending to do something helpful? Or is he just on his phone?

[Craig Korolbeck]

Would the funniest thing be, like, if he. Because, like, you kind of have an option of being up near your significant other's face or being down, ready to catch the baby. Being down in that area. It would be very funny if he was, like, hidden behind, like, the gown or something. Down ready to catch the babies. Like, on his phone, like, underneath the bed.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's just like, this is like a screaming. The Steelers defense. I'm by. It's unbelievable.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It's like, honey, you're doing great.

[Danny Kelly]

You're, like, dedicated to the craft.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is like Adam Gase, my all time favorite NFL story. My number one favorite story of all time. When Adam Gay.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Seriously, you good?

[Danny Kelly]

You good?

[Danny Heifetz]

Walked it. Yeah. His wife got a C section and they were like, you want to cut the umbilical cord? He's like, I'm good. To his wife.

[Craig Korolbeck]

What if it was a C section and he wasn't, like, allowed to be in the.

[Danny Heifetz]

The room?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I don't know why that would happen, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

And he's just nervously scrolling. You're trying to have empathy.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

What if he had, like, the nervous poops and was in a. On in the bathroom?

[Danny Heifetz]

That's got to be an ick. If your husband has to. While you're giving birth. I feel like that's got to be an ick.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, that's.

[Danny Kelly]

It's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us stories about labor stories. Ringer, Fantasy Football. Gmail.com. email us labor stories.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe it's a sympathy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Especially if any women listening and they have hate your husbands or Whatever. Please email us. But any, your, anything your friends did, I would take stories of what men were doing while they're women while their wives were giving birth.

[Danny Kelly]

That is good. I, I, I, I would be curious to know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I would love that.

[Danny Kelly]

What shenanigans these, these dudes get up to while their wives are literally delivering a child. Okay, man, so wait, our advice to him is like, don't say anything.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he's a narc who wants to blackmail.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Korolbeck]

We don't condone any.

[Danny Kelly]

He shouldn't have told his wife in the first place.

[Danny Heifetz]

But also, nar, also.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, do we know if he likes this guy? We don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

He didn't say anything positive. But also, we don't know.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I mean, he's not telling his sister immediately, so that is a sign that he likes him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He's got to find a way to make money off this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Probably got Joe Burr out of it. And Joe Burr got hurt. It's karma. Okay, that's fantasy court. You guys want to do a couple emails, we'll get out of here.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Emails. Can I preface the emails with something, please? I know we're going to talk about the Sopranos. I slept on it. High. Fitz. I changed my mind and I decided that I don't care what 12 year old you is doing with your free time.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I also, I also kind of felt you would come to that.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So I was initially, I think I initially was triggered because you intimated that, like, there's no way to watch the show.

[Danny Kelly]

I think that's also triggered me.

[Craig Korolbeck]

And then it was like generational anger.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It was like, these kids need to figure out that we, there's ways to watch this show outside of like live tv.

[Danny Kelly]

Meanwhile, right now DK is like, I have no idea how to download a movie.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was, it was too. Absolutely. Just. You thought I was saying there was nothing, no way to do anything.

[Craig Korolbeck]

And then I kind of like painted myself into this corner and, and then I, after I got off to the pod, I was like, why do I, I don't. Why do I fucking care what 12 year old heifers is doing?

[Danny Heifetz]

For those who have no idea what we're talking about, watch it.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Out of order on Be My Guest.

[Danny Heifetz]

On Monday's show, we got into an argument because I know I admitted that I actually watched the Sopranos at. I basically got into, I was like 12 years old and I just watched the final season of the Sopranos first and I was like, yeah, that's not a great way to do It. But then I watched that season first because it was like a big deal at the time and we got in a whole argument about that and the emails triggered. Yeah, now that, I mean, that's insane. And I have an email on that.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Well, anyway, I apologize because.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, well, the. There's one we heard from a lot of people who did this with Thrones. And I wanted to email. I wanted to read one email from Greg G. Bone. G. Bone, who basically says it's. He says his opening line was funny. I'm really disappointed in this latest episode in DK and Craig for spurring me to do the unthinkable and defend Danny Heifetz on a day. But here we are.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Sorry, Greg.

[Danny Heifetz]

Perfectly normal to come into a show to the last season, the artistic integrity or not watching a show, whatever, being damaged, who cares? However, when a landmark shows on its final season and you hadn't gotten on the train early, you don't want to be entirely left out of the collective conversation that occurs, especially in 2007. And Greg's point is I did this more specifically as a hater fueled version when I easily could have caught up with Game of Thrones. Greg says, I watched the first season of Game of Thrones, hated it. Saw early that people mistook shot killings for actual intrigue. And when the time had come for the final season, the hype for the show is at a fever pitch. And all my favorite podcasts, even favorite sports podcasts, are doing Sunday night recaps of the episodes. Everyone was fucking talking about it. So I hopped back in for the last season, didn't catch up. Not only being left out of all the recap conversations because it was too complicated, but more importantly, I wanted to shit all over my friends for investing years of their lives in a shitty show that all along had no idea where it was going. And I was finally vindicated. And to this day, out of the blue, I text my group chat and say, hey guys, remember when the dragon burnt down the throne instead of Jon Snow? Because power corruption is the real enemy. That was crazy.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So this guy's just a hipster.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I think so too. That was kind of my take.

[Craig Korolbeck]

He says he people mistook shock killings for actual intrigue. This guy's not impressed.

[Danny Heifetz]

He didn't watch the show. He's pretty good, actually. He should.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I love this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pretty sick.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I. I take back my apology. I don't apologize to Greg.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, no, Greg. Yeah, no, also, he said that also it was cool that Craig guessed that guy's name was Ed.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, yeah. Also, Craig, good job. Good job.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I was in a cranky mood. I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. You immediately poo pooed that. I was like, damn.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like the name out of done it, right?

[Craig Korolbeck]

It wasn't.

[Danny Kelly]

You're like Craig, everybody, 1840s.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was like, well, I guess that was so funny.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Craig, you're. You're a sage. You're a genius. What can I say?

[Danny Heifetz]

It was because I was excited about it and he was mad.

[Danny Kelly]

You're good looking, right. Attractive.

[Danny Heifetz]

Related to what we were just talking about here. I want to read an email from Mike about his crazy friend Abby.

[Danny Kelly]

Michael Mbone.

[Danny Heifetz]

So, again, related to. I watched the final season of the Sopranos first because it was live, which I think there's reasons Mike says just listen to you go down the rabbit hole of Danny watching the final seasons of TV series without seeing any of the prior seasons. Maybe think of my friend Abby. She's a big book reader, but reads all books beginning with the final chapter and then goes back to the start and reads the rest of the book.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, to be honest, I think that's more common. That's more common than. I think a lot of people read the last page of books before.

[Danny Heifetz]

Before they start it.

[Craig Korolbeck]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't. I. I think, I mean, it's a.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Thing that I've heard of.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Really?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, for sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. I'm glad I read this because I read this and thought this person was crazy. You're saying, oh, no, You've never heard.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah, people do this.

[Danny Heifetz]

I now want emails for people who do this. And I earnestly, without judgment want to know why?

[Danny Kelly]

I. Here's why I think. I think it's because it's so easy. Like, the first page and the last page are literally like right there. They're right there in your hand. It's not like scrolling to the end of the Sopranos and clicking the finale and then watching. It's like you can just. Just as easily as you can read the first page. Like you can read the last page. And I do feel like sometimes people are just like, I want to know this is worth it. Or I want to know if it's like an interesting ending. And then I'll. Then I'll know if it's good or not.

[Danny Heifetz]

You skip to the last page and it's like he was streaming the Steelers defense while she was in labor making moves.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, this is. To me, this is because I don't really mind spoilers so much. It doesn't bother me if you Give me a spoiler. Like the synopsis. But like going and reading the last scene is like a, that's a bridge too far for me. I don't understand that.

[Danny Kelly]

I despise spoilers. I like, try to avoid them at all costs.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

I try to avoid movie trailers. I will like have like Twitter mute the title of a movie if I haven't seen it yet, just so I don't see the tweets about it.

[Danny Heifetz]

I've become more vigilant against spoilers for things I know I'll see and I care less about things that I'm thinking about. And I'm more willing to just be spoiled and be intrigued by something. I'm debating because there's so much content, but it's something I know I don't want to see the trailer anymore. If it's thing I know like sitters, I'm like, I'm not going to watch this trailer. I'm going to just go.

[Danny Kelly]

There are movies that are like coming out that I haven't seen yet. Like one battle after another I haven't seen.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm avoiding that at all costs until I can actually sit down and watch it.

[Craig Korolbeck]

This, this somehow reminds me too of how Austin watches movies at like 2x.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, that's just another level. That's just a different discussion.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Like what, what, what's the point?

[Danny Kelly]

I actually can't think about that too much.

[Danny Heifetz]

I agree.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I, I what happens is enjoying like a movie for being a movie.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't want to think about that either. It's boggles. I have one more email here I want to read. This is from Sam Sammy S Bone. I didn't know how to ask for what email prompt I wanted, but it was this. Sam writes Heifet's talking about watching the Sopranos out of order, AKA his parents, not really allowing him to watch and then eventually allowing him. Reminded me of one of my favorite stories of me as a kid, which is for reference. I'm 23 years old and this lined up a little bit with the early 2010s golden age of SNL. And I would frequently watch the skits and half get the more adult oriented. Like didn't really get all the adult. Yeah, you're laughing for. You really get it. And probably like a lot of people my age, around 23 years old, I loved Lonely island and all the skits they did growing up. Watch them on YouTube all the time with my friend G Bone specifically. I remember watching the video jizzed in my pants. The skit. And thinking it was hilarious.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Great, great song, despite.

[Danny Kelly]

And I jizzed.

[Craig Korolbeck]

The whole videos.

[Danny Kelly]

That's it. And Sam writes, it's like all whispered. It's like walked in the room. And I said, hello. And then I. And then I heard.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I felt the same slight breeze come in the window.

[Danny Kelly]

And I jizzed in my pant.

[Danny Heifetz]

And Sam.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, you're. Please don't never apologize for singing that song. Sam writes. Naively, because I was 12, I kind of just assumed that Andy Samberg was peeing in his pants.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so this kind of cemented the idea for me that jizzing and peeing were interchangeable terms. And.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, no.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jizzing was just a funnier way to say peeing.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, no.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cue to. A week later, I'm in the car with both my parents and my three little siblings. Three little siblings. I need to go to the bathroom. And I say, my pants. Can we go to the gas station?

[Danny Kelly]

I. It's. It's a shock. They didn't crash the car.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's lucky to be alive.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a miracle that they all survived that drive.

[Craig Korolbeck]

I'm about to chase in my pants.

[Danny Heifetz]

I would like more stories like this. Please email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com. like encountering adult things in the wild. You have got.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow, that's so funny.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I. I've told you this in person, but I've ever said on the show my Austin Powers Gold member story, that was the least appropriate thing. My parents allowed me to watch Shout out to Michael. One of my babysitters came over and was just like. They were like. I was. And they were like, you want to watch Austin Powers? And I was like, seven. I was like, sure. And Gold member. And remember.

[Danny Kelly]

Surprise. You remember that?

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't forget it because I'd never seen anything like that. Yeah, I was. It was. I was used to spongebob and Cat Dog and I'm watching Austin Powers. It's totally, like, crazy. And do you remember the scene where Dr. Evil.

[Craig Korolbeck]

The.

[Danny Heifetz]

They have all the, like. It's like a diorama or whatever. They have all the planets. And then one gets cut and it hits him in the nuts.

[Danny Kelly]

And he hits who in the nuts?

[Danny Heifetz]

Doctor gets hit in the nuts. And he's like, oh, wait, I gotta find him. One, two.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

And three.

[Craig Korolbeck]

We're good.

[Danny Heifetz]

I thought you.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Don't tell me you thought.

[Danny Heifetz]

I didn't get. That was a joke. Because I was like, seven when I saw this. Eight, maybe this is 2003, I think it came out. So it's like eight years old. So I thought you were supposed to have three balls.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So then you've definitely told this story.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't.

[Craig Korolbeck]

So good.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I thought it was supposed to be three. So then I, you know, I start investigating, and I'm like, oh, my God, there's a huge problem here. I can only find two. And I went to my huge problem, and I went to my mom. Like, a week. I racked with guilt. I'm worried about this for a week. And I go to my mom and I'm like, hey, Mom, I. I only have two balls. And my mom's like, I think that's normal. And I remember walking away and being like, she's a woman. She doesn't think. She doesn't know.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

But, yeah, email stories like that.

[Danny Kelly]

How did you find out? Did you go to your brother or your dad?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a great question. I don't remember anything other than thinking my mom had no idea what she was talking about.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, wow, that's really good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you guys have anything like that? Nothing. Email [e-mail]. dude, I'm sure I do, but I'd.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Rather not say on the show.

[Danny Heifetz]

Should I have kept that to my. No, I think. No, that's. It's Mike Myers's fault. He did that to me. Not really.

[Craig Korolbeck]

It was one, two, and three. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

One, two, and three. Okay, we're good.

[Danny Kelly]

This is kind of. This is kind of stupid, but when I was a kid, my brother used to floss before going to sleep or whatever, but then he would throw. And I don't think I. Because we're like four and a half years apart. So I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe he was 14 and I was 10 or nine and a half or he was 15 and I was 11. I don't know. But there would always be the floss. He would throw it in the toilet. And we shared a bathroom growing up. So then I, like. He would just floss through the toilet, and then I would come in after, like, get ready for bed, and I would always look in the toilet and. And I thought that that's what semen was. I thought that, like, that's. I was like, oh, he's 15.

[Craig Korolbeck]

There are ropes.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I was like, that's what that is. You know, it's this thing that comes out of you, you know, that's really good. I think it was like one time and I was like, that's, that's a weird, like what is that? Like floss?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like, ah, right, okay, right, right, right, right.

[Danny Kelly]

I felt like it was like war. One big sperm that comes out like the giant eel and Super Mario, you know, I was like one big thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

Did, does your brother know that story or is he hearing this right now?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I don't know if he remembers it. I, I, I'll have to, he'll probably text me.

[Danny Heifetz]

One big.

[Craig Korolbeck]

That's really funny.

[Danny Kelly]

I was like, what is that toilet?

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us @rigorfantasy football gmail.com if you have other just anything, man. All right. Thank you dk. Thank you Craig. Thank you Carlos. Thank you Ronick. Thank you Kai. Thank you Austin. Thank you everyone for helping with the show. Thank you for emailing us. Thank you everyone who defended me at the Sopranos thing. But mostly thank you to the people who were like mad that they were defending me. You guys. I really appreciated the honesty there where they were like, I hate agreeing with Heifetz. So thank you for the people kept it real. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Lord.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Thank you. You too.

[Danny Kelly]

I got to say, worst day of my life was when I was a kid and I had Apple music and they auto downloaded the YouTube album.

[Danny Heifetz]

So did it really bother you? I always dramatic with this.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I hated it because every time I would back in the day, like when you had like the cassette thing where you had to like plug the cord into your phone, it would autoplay you too. Every time.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's true. It fell into my car. I mean still does.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I don't have that issue. No, it doesn't autoplay for some reason it would auto play for me. Like it would just the song would begin.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I, I still, I guess I'm so used to it that I forget that that still happens where like if I'm listening to Spotify and then something on my iPhone happens or there's, I don't even, I can't explain the glitch, but sometimes it just, it ends up playing on my phone and I guess actually still happens to me.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh yeah, it was, it was. I like it single handedly like made me not like you two as a band.

[Danny Heifetz]

What year I'm out?

[Danny Kelly]

It's probably in high school. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

Did you care?

[Craig Korolbeck]

I remember that I don't think it was the worst day of my life, but I do remember you like couldn't delete it out of your itunes. Like, you couldn't get rid of it.

[Danny Kelly]

It was like auto embedded in your. Like, I don't want this fucking YouTube in here. So annoying. It was like, at the top. Every time you open the app, it was like, right there. I hated it.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, I do remember that part.

[Danny Kelly]

It was the album Songs of Innocence, 2014. So I guess I was in college.

[Danny Heifetz]

Worst day of your life.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, I get it. I get it.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, I became a Spotify fan from that day on. I actually did. Because in college, you could get the Spotify discount.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Oh, God.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

That was incredible.

[Danny Kelly]

Best idea. I was like 3.99amonth or something. If you're a student.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, go to the love Spotify company, man. Boy, do they have a good app. Check it out. If you're listening right now on a different platform, you're doing it wrong. All right. Go to Spotify.

[Danny Heifetz]

I actually agree.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah. Look.

[Danny Kelly]

Look at this great app.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Wow. Is that how it looks? That's amazing.

[Danny Kelly]

Look at all my favorite shows and things. Look, the song would by Taylor Swift.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, your favorite songs. Yeah. There you go.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I gave the album a re. Listen.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. It's fine. It's fine. It's just, like, one word.

[Craig Korolbeck]

Yeah, one word. Review.

[Danny Kelly]

You're right. That's fine. Reviews. It's fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

If someone came out of a coma and I was like, this is the biggest artist in our lifetime, they'd be like, oh, that's kind of weird. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But, yeah, sounds like a pop album.

[Danny Heifetz]

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