Lions-Ravens Reaction, and Week 4 Waivers

Summary

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Episode Title: Lions-Ravens Reaction, and Week 4 Waivers
Air Date: September 23, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
Main Theme:
The hosts break down one of the most thrilling games of the season—Lions vs. Ravens—and deliver their actionable waiver wire advice heading into Week 4, with detailed positional breakdowns and strategic recommendations. Along the way, they analyze current NFL narratives, air some strong opinions about team cultures, and keep it entertaining with signature humor and banter.

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Lions vs. Ravens Reaction (01:03–27:47)

Game Flow & Atmosphere (01:03–05:55)

• Game Result: Lions beat the Ravens on the road, 38–30, in what the hosts call the “second best game of the year.”
• Danny Heifetz gushes:
  “I really do think that's the second best game of the year… Every time I watch this Lions team… Detroit Lions are the most fun team I've ever seen.” (01:03–01:43)
• Detroit’s Offense:
  • The theme is “a symphony” of play action, discipline, and selfless receivers.
  • Danny Kelly: “They are the most aesthetically pleasing offense to watch… It feels like a symphony… The wide receivers are blocking their asses off.” (02:18)
  • When Goff is protected, he's in total control, facilitating like the "prime San Antonio Spurs" (02:56).

Lions’ Style and Coaching (03:06–05:49)

• Praises for Dan Campbell’s “psychopath” energy and consistent 4th down aggression ("we're just going to go win the fucking game every time." – Heifetz, 03:50).
• Team gets rewarded: “The Lions went for it on fourth down three times, got all three, and then scored a touchdown each time.” (03:27)
• Hosts love the culture: “The only team I've covered that make me wish I had played football longer.” (03:50)

Ravens’ Struggles and Key Plays (04:49–11:01)

• Defensively, the Lions dominated:
  • “Lamar got sacked seven times… tied for the most of his career.” (05:09)
  • “Did you ever think you'd see a game where Lamar Jackson got sacked seven times and Jared Goff didn't get sacked once?” (05:49)
• Ravens’ Playcalling Critique:
  • “Situational football was pretty atrocious in this game.” (09:05)
  • Questions over field goal rulings and red zone overthinking; the hosts vent about confusing NFL rules on upright height (09:44+).

Turnovers & Momentum (08:05–09:23)

• The Derrick Henry fumble was a turning point:
  • “If Derek Henry doesn't fumble, the Ravens are 3–0… The Lions only got three points but it was absolutely the turning point.” (08:09)
• Twitter stat: “Derrick Henry, three fumbles on 652 touches (2023-24). This year: three fumbles in 43 touches.” (15:48)

Critical Assessment of Ravens (11:45–27:47)

• The hosts see a psychological block with the Ravens in big moments, especially in the playoffs:
  • “It's hard…not [to] connect the theme of the Lamar Jackson era Ravens being incredible in the regular season and then kind of failing in the playoffs… They make the hard things look easy, and they make the easy things look hard.” (25:59)
  • “They're the best team I've ever seen that I don't trust at all.” (25:44 – Danny Kelly)
  • “There's just a feeling about them that is hard to not let infect you…” (26:50)
• Mark Andrews, after being doubted, goes off for two TDs—“Hilarious Mark Andrews game” (27:28), but confidence in him and the Ravens’ consistency persists as a real issue.

Notable Quotes

• "[Dan Campbell is] the only guy who coaches like my fucking JV football coach." – Heifetz (03:50)
• “The trick plays the Lions do are earned by kicking the shit out of you all the other times.” – Heifetz (21:08)

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Week 4 Waiver Wire Breakdown (28:44–68:32)

Running Backs (28:44–39:36)

Top Priority: Trey Benson (Arizona Cardinals)

• “Benson is the first waiver league-winning RB of the year… 60, 70, 80% of your FAAB budget.” – Craig (30:19)
• “Six yards per carry… pretty highly drafted… excited to see what he can do.” – Danny Kelly (30:19)

Other Running Backs:

• Woody Marks (Texans) – Flashes passing game upside.
• Blake Corum (Rams) – Looks good if Kyren Williams gets hurt.
• Kareem Hunt, Ali Gordon, Tyler Allgeier – Touchdown-dependent desperation plays.
• “If you actually need to play someone, unfortunately I would probably pick Kareem Hunt... but all these guys, I'm just going to rip through…” – Heifetz (36:53)

Wide Receivers (41:04–60:01)

Main Pick: Trey Tucker (Raiders)

• “He had 41 points this week… number three receiver in fantasy… Pick that guy.” – Heifetz (43:21, 44:28)
• “He is unique to what the team has right now… he's like small, quick, twitchy.” – Craig (47:56)
• “If Trey Tucker is good the rest of the year and you don’t pick him up, you'll feel like an idiot.” – Heifetz (47:40)

Other Top Recommendations:

• Elic Ayomanor (Titans) – Steady number one on a bad team, lots of targets.
• Calvin Austin (Steelers) – Deep flex option for TDs, PPR upside.
• Jaylen Tolbert (Cowboys), Romeo Doubs/DonTayvion Wicks (Packers), Troy Franklin (Broncos), Luther Burden (Eagles) – Given specific notes for stashing, upside for later in season.

Tight Ends (60:19–68:32)

Top Priority: Hunter Henry

• “Hunter Henry is literally the number one tight end in fantasy… pick him up.” – Heifetz (60:53)

Other Options:

• T.J. Hockenson (if dropped)
• Brenton Strange (Jaguars) – “Quietly leads the Jaguars in catches and yards…” – Craig (64:04)
• Chigoziem Okonkwo (Titans) – “If you absolutely need to play someone, go with Chig.” – DK (62:28)
• Isaiah Likely (Ravens) – “If Mark Andrews is out, Likely is the stash with top 10 upside.” (63:07)
• Donald Parham, Oronde Gadsden II (Chargers) – ultra-deep stashes.

Quarterbacks (70:58–75:55)

• Best Streamer: Geno Smith (Seahawks vs Bears); “worth chasing after last week.” (72:08)
• Darnold (Seahawks vs Cardinals); “he's running the offense with efficiency.” – DK (74:26)
• Deep stashes: Jackson Dart (Giants), Marcus Mariota (Falcons if Jaden Daniels misses more time), Tyrod Taylor (Jets).

Defenses/Special Teams (75:55–79:43)

• “Vikings, Seahawks, Packers, Eagles, Houston, Bills—just go get them.”
• Browns: “Play the Lions next week but then have Vikings, Steelers, Dolphins, Patriots on deck.”
• Chargers (vs Giants), Rams (vs Colts), Patriots (vs Panthers) also recommended.
• “Chargers defense is a phenomenal choice… the Rams at some point Daniel Jones is going to look awful and I think that could be versus the Rams.” (77:39)

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Culture, Banter & Notable Moments

• Lions’ culture, Dan Campbell/Ben Johnson love: Multiple comparisons to the Seahawks’ Legion of Boom era and to a JV football coach’s intensity.
• Rule rants:
  Heifetz rails against NFL’s ambiguous field goal rules (09:44–11:17).
• Derrick Henry’s Fumbling:
  “Derrick Henry… three fumbles on 43 touches.” – Twitter stat, Ian Hartitz (15:48)
• Amon-Ra St. Brown Love Fest:
  “He's kind of under discussed, but if you just take him at the end of the first round, you'll never think about your wide receiver position.” – Craig (18:25)
• Fantasy Philosophy:
  “The S&P 500 strategy—just draft dependable guys.” – Craig on Amon-Ra and the old Keenan Allen standard (18:25)
• Great Quotes:
  • “They make the hard things look easy, and they make the easy things look hard.” – Craig (25:59)
• Guinness Trivia & Running Gags:
  Extensive and hilarious trivia segments woven throughout, relating to their upcoming trip to Dublin, e.g.:
  • “What is the official time to pour the perfect pint of Guinness?” (31:48–34:15; answer: 119.5 seconds)
  • “Arthur Guinness signed a 9,000-year lease for the brewery.” (35:03)
  • Guinness Book of World Records trivia (51:11: first published in 1955)
  • Name game: how many people in the world are named “Bone”? (65:07; ~54,213)

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Closing (93:02-end)

• Upcoming Travel:
  No Monday episode next week; instead, waivers will be appended to the Sunday show from Dublin.
  “Follow us on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok… We’ll post shenanigans.”

• Music Tangent:
  Extended detour on Dire Straits songs—“Money for Nothing,” “Sultans of Swing,” “Walk of Life”—classic 80s guitar riffs and nostalgia.

• Listener Emails:
  Discussion about ancient engineering (Stonehenge), evolutionary biology (the origin of wiping), and legendary sports nicknames (“Big Dumper,” “The Big Unit”).

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Key Timestamps

• Lions-Ravens Game Breakdown: 01:03–27:47
• Waivers:
  • Running Backs: 28:44–39:36
  • Wide Receivers: 41:04–60:01
  • Tight Ends: 60:19–68:32
  • Quarterbacks: 70:58–75:55
  • Defenses: 75:55–79:43
• Banter, Trivia, Culture, and Music: Scattered throughout, especially 31:30–36:05, 44:45–47:56, 65:07, 93:11–97:51

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Final Takeaways

• Lions are winning hearts with culture, aggression, and play action synergy; Dan Campbell gets full respect.
• The Ravens cannot shake their reputation—brilliant but unreliable in big moments.
• Trey Benson (RB), Trey Tucker (WR), and Hunter Henry (TE) are your top Week 4 waivers.
• Show delivers not just actionable advice but the blend of humor, tangents, and community that’s become its trademark.

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Transcript

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Foreign.

[B]

Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphen. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Robeck and we are going over waivers. After week three, entering week four, we're gonna go through all the players you need to add first. We're actually gonna hit Ravens, Lions, which just happened. We're gonna go through that because honestly that if Bill's Ravens Week 1 was the best game of the year, that was the second best game of the year. That was unbelievable. And then, yeah, we're not just a bit of housekeeping up top. We're not gonna have a Monday episode next week. We're gonna do waivers at the back of our study episode, but we're going to Dublin in Ireland. So starting Friday we're gonna be in Dublin. Our Sunday show is going to be from Dublin. Our Monday show, we're gonna be coming back from Ireland. So we're not gonna have our money show next week, but we'll have the waivers in the back of the Sunday show. Going to make it up to you right now because we're going to have this episode, right, Craig?

[A]

Yeah. Everybody, it's going to be a great show. Dire Straits is here. Okay, so stick around. We're going to be right back.

[B]

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[C]

They are the most aesthetically pleasing offense to watch from. Like, a point of it. It feels like a symphony when they're on offense because it's all play action. Everybody's working together. The. The wide receivers are blocking downfield, which is a huge part of their win. That this week, you. There's like so many runs where you're just. If you watch the receivers, they're all bought in and all blocking their asses off at the right time and sealing off guys helping to create these big runs. Yeah, it's just super fun to watch. And Jared Goff, honestly, for being kind of a slow guy, is pretty aesthetically pleasing to watch because he's really accurate and he's not afraid to throw the ball down the field.

[A]

Now, when Goff is protected, he's there. In general, the Lions, they're like the prime San Antonio Spurs. It's just like, ball movement. Anybody can make a play.

[B]

Such a team.

[A]

It's such a team. And you combine that honestly with Dan Campbell's psychopath ness of just like, it's 4th and 1, they're on the 50, there's 3 minutes left in the game, and you're like, it. We're fourth and two, I think it was. And actually we're not even going to run the ball, even though we've been running the ball the whole night. We're going to throw, like, a deep fade, a deep post to.

[C]

To manage it only. Yeah.

[B]

I'm so glad you brought up camp. I mean, the game had. There's so many things you can take from this game, but if you had to describe what happened in a sentence. The Lions went for it on fourth down three times, got all three, and then scored a touchdown each time. And then the Ravens just couldn't do that.

[A]

Dude. Fourth and two, running a corner to a Monra to seal the game.

[C]

It's pretty sick.

[B]

It's just awesome. They're so. Dan Campbell is so consistent to who they are. They've been this team the whole time where they're. I remember, honestly, the Lions are the only team I've covered that make me wish I had played football longer. Like, I wish I could have played football for Dan Campbell. I remember, like, JV hearing Mark coach be like, if we can't get a yard when we need it we don't deserve to win the game. And I remember thinking, that sounds super, right? And like, Dan Campbell's the only guy who coaches like, my fucking JV football coach. And I just like. But going down the line here, like, I'm. But you know what I mean? Like, the fear seeps into all these other people, and Dan Campbell's like, we're just going to go win the fucking game every time. And he doesn't overthink it. He's like, I don't know.

[C]

I was going to say the worries that we had about Dan. Sorry about Ben Johnson leaving over the offseason seems so quaint now. So it's like they didn't. It turns out they didn't throw away the playbook.

[B]

I think this game, if you rewatched it or whatever, years later, you would forget that Ben Johnson was not the offensive coordinator. Like, you would never have known if you had just turned on this game that he had left.

[C]

They still had all the misdirection plays. Like, obviously the play action was huge in this game. They did not turn the ball over. They lot. This is from next gen stats. Zero turnovers, zero sacks. They made the optimal decision on every fourth down. They only missed four tackles on defense. And then alternatively, the Ravens missed 20 tackles on defense.

[A]

And. And yeah, and Lamar got sacked seven times. I think as good as the Lions were on offense, I think they were just as good on defense.

[C]

Aiden Hutchinson is everywhere, dude.

[A]

If. If you look at the stat sheet, it'll Show Lamar had 300 yards and three touchdowns. I don't think Lamar had a good game. He was sacked seven times, tied for the most of his career. Derek Henry had one good run in the first quarter to score a touchdown. After that, he was completely bottled up. They couldn't run the ball, which means they couldn't really pass the ball. Nobody was open. I. I can't believe It's. It's honestly bizarre to watch Lamar get sacked so many times. It's almost hard to, like, understand that somebody as athletic and mobile as him is able to be sacked seven times.

[B]

It.

[A]

It was a phenomenal defensive.

[B]

Did you ever think you'd see a game where Lamar Jackson got sacked seven times and Jared Goff didn't get sacked once? I mean, that was pretty incredible.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah, I was going to defend Lamar a little bit. I thought he had a pretty good game. He. He made some pretty incredible throws.

[A]

He did. I. I thought.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I would not say it was one of his better games.

[B]

I don't think the sacks were on.

[A]

Him high for Lamar.

[B]

Lamar, for the most part, there's always one you can point. I mean, I think.

[A]

No, I agree with that. It was more. The Lions limited Lamar defensively. I'm. I'm more complimenting what the Lions did defensively. Lamar was. Was very solid and made good throws. But like, I more meant the stat sheet where if you just log on right now and check the box score, you're like, oh, my God, Lamar shredded and was great. And you're like, well, that's kind of half true. Like, he made some good throws and stuff like that. But the Lions weirdly bottled him up for how many stats he had in this.

[B]

They just tackled him three times in a row on. On what to end one drive. And I just think everyone made the same joke where it was like, I'd never seen Lamar Jackson hit by like maybe ran out of bounds, but I've never seen him hit tackled three times in a row. Like, that was weird. But I just think overall the seven sacks indicated more. The Lions were just covering him really well. Like the Lions had a spy on Lamar.

[A]

Yeah, the spy.

[B]

And then still cover downfield a lot. And it was kind of weird how frequently they had committed a spy to Lamar who won. The spy was able to bottle him up and. And that. That takes discipline. This is what they always talk about with Mahomes. But it really matters more for Lamar where everyone has to work in tandem. You can't. No one can be hero. Like, you're trying to herd Lamar, but then you're still covering downfield long enough. And like they did that a lot that in tandem with Derrick Henry with the ultimate. Like now the tuxedos seem kind of fucked up. Fumble of like, all right. The rate Week one thing. That's awful. Wow, what a horrible way to lose a game. Week one, the Bills like, you'll carry that with them all season. Then he fumbles again versus the Browns.

[A]

And then the Ravens are three and oh, if Derek Henry doesn't fumble.

[B]

Yes. And so Derek Henry Fumbles again in this game, and the Lions only get the three points from it. But was absolutely the turning point in the game. And. And Derek Henry crashed out as. As the kids would say, but like smashes out literally match.

[C]

His helmet fell into the bench.

[B]

I remember thinking, if someone as good as something as Derrick Henry can be at football being so mad, I remember thinking, like, I actually felt a little bit better about my own life watching that. Like that. He.

[C]

It's funny because at the beginning of the game, this felt like it was going to be a 500 yard game from Derrick Henry. Like, he started out just steamrolling dudes. He had like that big rushing touchdown. Think it was on a third down.

[A]

And he probably had 15 rushing yards after that.

[B]

Can I give you a fun fact? If after that first drive, how many first downs do you think the Ravens would have ran for in this game?

[A]

Do I think they would have ran for.

[B]

Yeah, you would have guessed like 30, right? The Ravens ran for four first downs in this game.

[A]

Yeah, dude. They. They completely bottled Derek Henry.

[B]

I looked it up.

[C]

Their situational football was pretty atrocious in this game.

[B]

I. I agree. Like, they couldn't run for that. My first downs. I think they're the. Lamar.

[C]

They botched a couple red zone possessions. Yeah. It was like, really ugly.

[B]

It's the Ravens. I have to miss some kicks. There's maybe.

[C]

No, he actually made the kick. Sorry.

[A]

He missed the kick.

[B]

We got to talk about that. That. What order do we miss these things.

[A]

That did not go through the upright.

[B]

Let's do the field goal thing. And then I want to come back to what DK is saying because it's important and I think it connects to the Ravens overall. Don't let me forget that with the goal line stuff. But the. The kick. The rule is if again, because the NFL, I guess, is too cheap to make the uprights taller. So the rule is, we don't have the technology.

[A]

Shoot a beam of light into the.

[B]

Sky, it's not revealed.

[C]

Here's an idea.

[B]

Yeah, we don't have the technology. When they're just like, look, we put chips in the ball. The rule is, inside the entire ball has to be inside the outside of the upright.

[C]

The entire ball.

[B]

The entire ball. Oh, now one. That's one of those sentences you have to say like three times to understand what that means. The ball is to be inside entirely inside the outside of the upright. How the fuck does that make sense? That means it hit the fucking upright.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How does that make sense? So that's like the definition of a doink hitting the inside of the out. The entire ball hit the inside of the outside. The upright is fucking hitting the upright. If it was taller, it wouldn't go in. How is that by definition a field goal? Insane.

[A]

Anyway, understand how when you watch tennis, the second the ball goes out of bounds, the tennis player can be like, can I get a check on that? And we get like 19 cameras, zoom in and see exactly where the tennis ball hit on the court. And yet we just are kind of winging it with feel.

[C]

You got some like 70 year old guy looking up, he's like, that went in.

[B]

I eyeballed it. They're like, can we review it? Nope.

[C]

You know, you know how b much your eyes deteriorate as you get older, guys, you got to go get checked for glaucoma.

[A]

Let me tell you something. That ball did not go through the.

[B]

No, it's insane. I.

[C]

We actually, I will say the first angle that it showed on the live broadcast, it looked like it missed wide by about 2ft and they called it right. And I would say the second angle they showed after the commercials, I was like, oh, that looked like it went in. But I don't. But it's like if it's an angle thing, it's kind of.

[B]

I don't think I ever appreciated though, until tonight that the rule doesn't make any sense. That's not what it means to go through the uprights. That's hiding the upright.

[C]

I think Heifet says one rule rant like once a week.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

You hate.

[B]

You know what I mean? Inside the outside of the upright. That's just hitting the fucking upright. Anyway, that doesn't matter if you just.

[A]

Reduce it down to this. When you watched it, did you say to yourself, that went in or that missed. That missed. That's all.

[B]

Anyway, but I will miss. But the Ravens, here's the thing though, they lost by eight. So the field goal doesn't matter. This will matter one day. But I want to get to active's point about the the Ravens galaxy brain in the red zone. And I don't want to be all like metaphor, but to me there is. It's hard for me, to my brain to not connect the constant theme of the Lamar Jackson era Ravens being incredible in the regular season and then kind of failing in the playoffs with. Honestly, Ravens, if you look at the regular season is between the twenties and then the red zone being the playoffs. The Ravens have a bizarre ability to get in the red zone and then they just. Galaxy brain Troy Aikman nailed what happened on the first red zone drive at the Ravens where they just got to the 1 yard line and then decided to go quick, quick huddle four times. And Troyman's like, they're doing this because they think it gives them an advantage, but it kind of screws at the offensive lineman. And Nick Baumgartner at the athletic made a great point. The Lions defense practices against quick snap every day because Ben Johnson loved it for four years. And so the Ravens just like quick snap themselves out of. And then Lamar fumbles on the goal line and they lose the ball 20 yards back. Then they go back to the goal line and they're. What was the grand play they had? It was Derrick Henry throwing up the ball. But like, which is awesome when it works. But like the Lions are the trick play.

[A]

People like Derek Henry, they used to have him do the Tebow where he like runs straight like it's a half like a hbo and then he kind of jumps and flips it over the line. They had him rolling out like Ladanian Tomlinson.

[B]

If Derek had just turned and thrown to the wide open Lamar Jackson, we'd be like, wow, how brilliant. I get that. I'm just saying there is something to the fact that. And the other one with Lamar, they ended up getting back backward, backward, and they ended up converting a third and very long and goal to Mark Andrews. But like, the Ravens somehow have the best backfield I've like ever seen with Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry together. And then the moment they have to get like one yard, it's so complicated for them. And then you watch the Lions and they just run duo and it's like every time they need a yard, David Montgomery runs fucking seven.

[C]

David Montgomery looked like.

[A]

Felt like best.

[C]

Most yards, best games.

[B]

152 yards.

[A]

Yeah, I mean it felt like The Lions averaged 10 yards of carry. Derrick Henry's like the weirdest player in the league. I swear to God, if it's 4th and 1, I, I think I would take. Take him like 15th out of running.

[C]

He has a weird lack of power. This is what we, we talked about this like a couple months ago, where there are some plays where he looks like the worst running back in the NFL if he doesn't get a head start. He looks, he looks.

[A]

He needs to get moving.

[C]

You my trucks like kind of like buck a little bit before they get going. He's like, yeah, he's just really slow to get going. But he does get like. This was one of Those games, if you came down, you know, from a different planet or whatever, and we're like, that guy's like one of the greatest running backs of all time. Literally awful.

[B]

If the yards before contact thing, I can't stress enough. Like the. What we talked about. The Titans were last yards before contact, and now it's the Raiders and the Ravens were first. When he gets the three yards ahead, Steam, he's the best running back ever, but he really is the Saddam Hussein falling like this statue falling over, dictator toppling in the town square. Like he looks. You get his ankles before he gets moving and. But I do think that's weird, though, with the short yardage thing. But I will say I after the Bills game and also early in this one was like, I. The first half of this game, I just, in my notes, I was just like, the four best teams in the NFL are so obviously the Lions and the Ravens and the Cheat and sorry and the Bills and the Eagles and like, it's not close to everyone else is playing for fifth. And I still kind of stood by what I said in week one where I was like, the Bills are the best. Like, I may have won that game, but the Ravens are the best team. And I have to. And that was the first half. I was like, the Ravens are so good. And watching this game, I hate to say it, but the mental thing, it is hard for me to not think that Derek Henry is going to carry this fumble thing, like, all year. And more importantly, the defense. I don't know if it means anything, but Derek Henry is a target now at the fumbling thing, like it's. It's these guys who can't tackle them. Everyone's going for the ball now. Like, everyone is going to go for the ball.

[C]

Ian Harditz tweeted this out. 22, 2023 to 2024. So two full seasons, Derek Henry, three fumbles on 652 touches, 20, 25, three fumbles on 43 touches.

[A]

He's fumbled in every game. I will say, I will say this fumble in this game was kind of like everyone's fumbling in that situation. Like, Aiden Hutchinson basically snuck up behind him and like, punched the ball from behind. You're not even looking that way or anticipating that as a running back. I do think that was more of a fantastic play by Aiden Hutchinson than it was like, loose ball carrying by every peanut.

[B]

Punch is a great play, but every player is great at this punch. Now, like, we talked to Craig. You pointed this out a couple years ago. We're in this like golden age of players being able to just throw a random hook and just knock the ball out. Like the accuracy. This went from like a niche thing 10 years ago to every team has like six guys who can do this really well.

[A]

Borderline ruining the sport if you ask me.

[B]

It's kind of like maybe no punching in football. It's good. That's seriously, it's a, it's amazing though. You guys can do it.

[C]

Now can we talk about the Derek Henry thing again? That's, it's frustrating. Can we get, just get. First of all, the Lions offense, give them credit. Second Ravens defense gave up 426 yards to the Lions. The Lions went 7 for 14 on third down and 3 for 3 on fourth down. So they were just absolutely incredible on pretty much almost every crunch time play. And, and when they needed to get a, when they needed to get some yards, they got those yards and they made some incredible plays. One Astro I think obviously the, the Henry thing sucks but like the defense did not help.

[B]

Can I put one asterisk on that defense? I'm not going to take anything away from the lines. The Lions offensive line looked back like honestly, like I mean Tate Rallage, they.

[C]

Were making some great blocks.

[B]

I will just say this. The Ravens did not have, they did not have Justin Matabike who is their defensive tackle. And I hard for me to not think that mattered. They also didn't have. Well, yeah, Calvin Noy. I, I just, I, I, they I can imagine it getting better. But yeah, I mean Imanra St. Brown rocked Marlon Humphrey in this game like a Monroe kind of like honestly, every important catch Amanra had, Marlon Humphrey was just trailing behind him looking really upset. And I, I also aman we a Monroe. I know that there's more talented players like CD Lamb's more talented I guess that Amar State Brown. How many if your season was on the line or games on the line, how many players would you actually want to catch a pass? Like how many receivers like you, you.

[C]

Design a play for one receiver to like make a play. Like he'd be up there.

[B]

Jamar Chase Jefferson. I'm like, is Amanra third?

[A]

I think back in like 2020 or 2021. We did a segment in the summer where we joked about Keenan Allen being like the S&P 500 when it was like stop doing the Cathie Wood bullshit. Stop investing in like tech companies and just like just, just draft Keenan Allen. Like he will, he will be dependable. He'll give you 100 catches 1300 yards in 10 touchdowns every single year. That is now a Monroe. St. Brown I think a Monroe is probably better than prime Keenan Allen. But Amon Ra is now just. And he's kind of has the same reputation even in fantasy where it's like he's kind of under discussed but if you just take him at the end of the first round, you'll never think about your wide receiver position once for the entire season.

[B]

Amanra. I mean in a game where the lions ran for 224 yards and I mean the Lions, I mean 18 play, 98 yard drive, they ran it 13 times. Lines had a 95 yard drive. They still did on the two biggest plays of the game go to a Monroe like, you know what I mean? Like and, and, and they were running it all over but then I, I just. So he had seven catches, 77 yards, a touchdown, five first downs and again fourth and one catch over Marlon Humphrey. He had the touchdown over Marlon Humphrey where he said like I'm that guy. Paraphrasing but he said I'm that guy. He's such a gamer.

[C]

You can swear on the show.

[B]

No, no, no, not that kind. Honestly never heard such a loud1 on ESPN in my whole life. But just the f. Like there's so.

[C]

I didn't actually hear what he said.

[B]

So don't worry about record something bad.

[A]

Assuming you can put that together what.

[C]

He said that hyp like it's all coming together.

[B]

Yeah, it's. I love when a play comes together. I will say though the.

[C]

Don't say it. Sorry.

[B]

The intensity from Amanra. I don't know why it keeps. I'm not going to single out a different receiver or whatever but like I love them. I love receivers that have the mix of like they want the ball, they think they're the baddest dude in the world, but they also really give a fuck about winning. And I know that it's not necessarily as easy to tell but like I.

[A]

Just, I think it's usually the guys who aren't like top 15 picks to be honest.

[B]

Yeah, there's a hunger.

[C]

I saw, I just saw a quote from Dan Campbell after this game and it's so succinct and so powerful. Our best players are our hardest workers.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

And I'm like dude, that. And obviously like look, I recognize they turn everything into a Seahawks discussion but this, this lion scene does remind me a lot of like the, the peak era Seahawks where both sides of the ball really good. Some of the hardest workers, the most competitive guys you've ever seen, you know, balance run the football play, defense. I, I don't know. There's just a lot of parallels there with that team. So that was the first thing I thought of is just like the fact that their best players are their hardest workers. That's a culture thing.

[B]

That's downstream of that. I'm glad because God, when Micah Parsons and I'm the packers may have won that game but I'm telling you Lions are going to kick the shit out of the packers next time they play. And Michael Parsons said teams that run trick plays think they can't beat you straight up. And that is so wrong because to your point the trick plays the Lions do are earned by kicking the shit out of you all the other times. And like to your point, like all the crazy stuff the Lions do is because they're winning straight up so much that they get to do it like that other fourth and one we didn't talk about where they ran the like he pitched it like he swept it to an option. Yeah. They ran a speed option where go handed to Amanra and then Amanra pitched it to Gibbs. And I'm watching this and I'm like we even talk about Jir Gibbs. Jir Gibbs at in sports looks unbelievable. Jameson Williams comes out in the first drive. They force feed him the ball three times. I disappeared the rest of the game.

[C]

But they know that was wild.

[B]

They just there's so much talent on this team and there's just so much fun to watch. I can't say enough about the Lions.

[C]

I, I just high Fitz. That was what I was going to say is I think sometimes people think teams run trick plays because they don't have the talent to just line up and run regular plays. But the Lions are so fucking good at trick plays because they have so much talent.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like that speed option to Jameer Gibbs. Very. I don't feel like a lot of running backs could do that because Gibbs is explosiveness and just turbo button once he gets the ball in his hands is different than almost every other run.

[A]

And also like your, your ability to just trust a Monroe St. To run.

[C]

That to handle the football. Yeah, yeah. And Aman Ross St. Brown did the throwback too. Or no, sorry, that was David Montgomery. I think maybe I, I can't throw back to Goff.

[B]

I, you know it's funny I, I, I keep comparing Dan Campbell to like meathead Ted Lasso and I just, I am just. You still feel the culture coming through this team. So I can't. I can't stand.

[C]

The Rams are fine.

[B]

It's so much fun. The Ravens. We'll see. It's insane. It's actually crazy to think the Ravens and Chiefs are both one and two heading into this Ravens, Chiefs game in week four, and that Ravens or Chiefs will be one and one of them will be one and three, which is insane.

[A]

That that Bill's Ravens loss for the Ravens, like, decided the entire outcome of the season. Also, like, yeah, whichever team won that game was going to be the one that made the super bowl, the afc.

[B]

And also, I mean, can you imagine being the Ravens and coming in and being like, you're the baddest team and then like, you might lose to the Chief? Like, they're in their own heads. They can say whatever they want. But all these losses over the years way where there's a lot of pressure on them to win this Chiefs game way more than there should be, frankly. For they could. You know what I mean? They couldn't even pretend for that be Bills game that it was like any other game, because the Bills knocked him out. The Chiefs knocked him. The. The Bill Ravens should have gone to the super bowl two years ago, and the Chiefs beat him. And now it's like, you're going to fall to 1 and 3. Like, the Ravens might miss the playoffs if they lose this game. Probably not. Like, I'm sure the Ravens could rattle off nine straight wins, but I'm not worried because I. I kind of still wonder if I still think the Ravens are the best team in the afc. Maybe, but it's. How many collapses? I mean, it's funny because on one hand, Mark Andrew. It's like Mark Andrews looked back at this game, bizarrely, after we joked about Mark Andrews or Hunter Henry, they both had two touchdowns over the top two Titans of the week.

[C]

Yeah, people were. People were tweeting at me. I can't even remember what I said about Mark Andrews at this point, but I'm sure it wasn't very nice.

[A]

I mean, we burned him. And then I said Hunter Henry would outscore him, which he did.

[B]

He did. That's true.

[A]

Yeah. Scored him.

[C]

I was too busy winning four.

[A]

So you were. You're welcome. If you won by one point because you start 100, it's because of me.

[C]

Nice. Good job.

[A]

The Ravens are not the best team in the AFC anymore. Like, come on.

[B]

I'm not saying that based on outcome, but I still look at them and I'm like, everything's here. But, like, I'LL admit I'm starting to. I wasn't worried about the mental stuff affecting them. I am a little bit. Like, I actually need to see a little resilience now. I need to Smashed out. Oh, I hate. Stop with the James Harden thing. Oh, my God.

[A]

Whoever you want to pick, like the kick at the monkey off the back can't win the big one. That is. I don't care if James Harden and the Rockets or if it's another team.

[B]

I just.

[A]

They 100 are. That they are fine.

[B]

I just. The James Harden one bothers me because these got his jersey up in the rafters in a strip club, and I'm like, that's not the Ravens. Like, come on.

[A]

That has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about on the. On the field and on the court. It's very similar.

[B]

He's fat. No, I. Sorry. You're. I just get fat. It's Harden. I just.

[A]

Okay, so is Luca. What's the. What does that do?

[B]

I just.

[A]

Are they good or they not?

[B]

I think James Harden. There's an implication of work ethic that I won't accept. And maybe that's just. Maybe I just. When I see James Harden, I think about, like, those things. But you're right. Like, yeah, it's. It's an issue. But like, I. I would say. Funny, because Mark Andrews is.

[C]

Here's how I would frame it. They're the best team I've ever seen. That I don't trust at all.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That I don't trust them whatsoever.

[B]

That's exactly. That's exactly what it is. And I will say they're gonna find.

[C]

Some fucking way to let me down.

[A]

They make the hard things look easy, and they make the easy things look hard.

[B]

I really. I really didn't buy people saying that until the Henry fumble and the clat and everything. I'm like, man. And also, I will say, not for nothing, to bring it home. Derek Henry being of, like, at the very least, the potential for him to get in his own head later in the season is tough. Tyler Loop also, like, the kicks were close. Like, this kid was supposed to be a really good rookie kicker.

[C]

I don't like how he fucked up a kickoff, too.

[B]

Kickoffs were out of bounds, which if that's on purpose, I. I've been begging teams to be more aggressive with that. It depends whether he was trying or not. But I just. There are elements here. I don't like. The deep, like Marlon Humphrey getting beat, like Matabki being hurt, the kicker missing everything. Henry and Henry just fumbling, man. Like, that would be. I mean, at the end of the day, like, if Henry fumbles to the playoffs, like, it's kind of going to be how we remember the end of his career.

[C]

I think Henry's going to be fine. I think he'll be fine. But I think the other stuff worries me more.

[A]

Yeah, dude. It's like, unfortunately, this team has had enough bad luck now mixed with bonehead plays that there's just a feeling about them that is hard to not let infect you. Like, that stuff just gets into your brain. And I do feel like the Ravens now when it's the fourth quarter and they're down 7 or they're up 7 or whatever, it's like, how are they gonna blow it?

[B]

It's just weird that they need Keaton Mitchell at the goal line and like, not Derek Henry can't get over that. But it feels true. And they'll be fine anyway. Okay. Anything else in this game? That was a lot, but honestly, that was one of the. That was, to me, the second best.

[C]

Game I'm trying to remember. Let's not forget anybody who.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

No, we talked about Mark Andrews. That's good. Check. Yeah.

[A]

Hilarious. A hilarious Mark Andrews game.

[B]

Touchdown he had was just the longer version of the two point conversion. He dropped, like a harder version, but it was in the same spot and everything.

[A]

Just, just. I love it. No, nobody started him this week. Everybody will start him next week. He'll have two catches for 8 yards next week.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It's just the best fantasy is the best.

[B]

All right, let's get to our waivers picks. All right, we're going to get to waivers right now. Just a reminder, next Monday, we are not going to have a Monday episode because we're going to be coming back from Dublin. But if you want to see behind the scenes of our Dublin shenanigans, follow us on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, whatever. Follow us there. And we're going to have all the stuff about Dublin. We're going to have a Friday episode from Dublin or Sunday episode from Dublin, and we will add some waiver players to the back of our Sunday episodes. If you do want waiver players, we'll have that on the back of the Sunday episode that's coming next week. So, yeah, that'll be fun. Without further ado, there's a lot to get to, actually. There's a ton of injuries. Honestly, if you just. I'm just looking at just like the headlines of ESPN and it's straight up just Nick Bosa torn ACL done for season CD lam out this week Giant Tyrone Tracy missing time Browns tackle Duan Jones Season ending injury Just like injuries James Connor, Naji Harris Literally every NFL update on like every single one is an injury thing.

[A]

We're officially back. It was a really healthy first two weeks. I and I believe I even jinxed all the running backs last week by saying that it was a very healthy start to the season for running backs. So sorry about that.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Austin Eckler. Yeah, sorry.

[B]

So we'll go position by position. We're going to each pick or top pick at that position and then if anyone has the same guy then we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker to figure out who gets that guy and then we' go down and down the list and then hopefully at some point we that way are able to simulate if you're in a 10 team league, a 14 team league, whatever, we'll eventually hit players that are available in your league. That's the idea. Emails, trivia, questions, ringer, fancy football. Gmail.com put a trivia in the subject line and just make it a number. Okay, without further ado, running backs, we all the same guy here, right? Number one guy, it's right DK James Connor after the season, Trey Benson, the Cardinals running back up next.

[C]

Yeah, if Trey Benson's out there in your league, he becomes a pretty top priority here. Obviously. Former early third round pick from last year, explosive player. He's already been being worked into the offense like a lot more than he was last year. It was about a 60, 40 split before James Conner got hurt and then after Connor got hurt, Benson was the lead back very clearly for the Cardinals. I expect that to go to be the case going forward. And the nice part about Benson is, you know, obviously he brings the explosive on the ground ability, he's a big play creator. But he's also been pretty involved in the passing game. 12.5% target rate this year so far which is pretty solid. Eight catches for 45 yards. He's averaging almost six yards per carry. So all in all there's a huge opportunity here from a former pretty highly drafted player. And so I'm excited to kind of see what he can do in this offense.

[A]

Yeah, Benson is the first waiver wire league winning running back of the year. Like this is somebody who if you are in a free agent auction bidding league, you should spend a significant portion of your money on him. I would say like yeah, 60, 70, 80% I think of your budget should be going towards Trey Benson.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, if you are 1 and 2 or I hope, hope nobody, it's Owen 3, but obviously some people are going to be owing 3. And so if you're. That you're actually looking at starting someone else like a Kareem Hunt and you're like, oh, I actually need to go get a running back of waivers. Like just, just do whatever you got to do. Just go get Trey medicine. Obviously if you're in waivers, you can't necessarily do that, but yeah, that's easy. It's just. He's just starting running back. We'll see. Amari DeMarcato is also a guy that go frogs for Kai, but also just a guy that will probably play for Arizona going forward. But I would rather have Trey Benson by a lot. I think DeMarcado is just going to be a, like a pass catching backup guy. But I think Benson is the guy you want. So. Yeah, I mean, easy, easy peasy Trey bone.

[A]

All right. It is the Trey Benson showdown time. Ooh, we really got. If we're ever in studio, like if we ever are at a point in our lives where we record every episode together in the same room, we gotta have a giant gong.

[C]

Just a big ass gong.

[B]

Yeah, I would ring the gong. That'd be great. Okay, so David emails us.

[C]

Debone.

[B]

David emailed us several trivia questions in honor of our trip to Dublin about Guinness. Really knew the audience.

[A]

Okay, love that.

[B]

David says there are six official steps to pouring a Guinness. A pint of Guinness, which I didn't know. And the question is in seconds, what is the official time to pour the perfect pint of Guinness per Guinness.

[A]

How long does it take?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Very interesting question.

[B]

I. I've never thought before how long it takes to pour a beer.

[A]

I. I know. Well, I. I do know there is a specific thing with Guinness about, but I won't say.

[B]

Say it. Coward.

[A]

Well, you're. I know you're supposed to like, you're not supposed to pour the whole thing at once. I'm sure you know that you're supposed to pour a portion of it and wait and then finish it off.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That helps a lot actually. Thank you for telling me.

[C]

Great. Did you really not know that?

[B]

I didn't know. I didn't know that. Oh, really?

[A]

God, yeah.

[B]

When do I pour Guinness?

[A]

Well, you don't ever watch, like people pour Guinness at a bar. You have to like, you. You pour a portion of it and then you wait and you let it settle.

[C]

Never once looked in the eyes of a server before, so.

[A]

That is true. He's such an asshole to servers.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's actually the opposite. He's like the piece of.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I've never gone to a restaurant without Heifetz making. Becoming best friends with a server.

[A]

If it's just a real, like. Excuse me. What's your name, man? John. It's great to meet you, John. Yeah, the Brussels sprouts sound great. Thanks.

[B]

Like, what you're saying yesterday, strippers. I'm like, no, no, no. They like me. They're not just.

[C]

He really does become best friends with them, so.

[A]

All right, I got a number up.

[C]

Yeah, I got one, too. I think three. So two seconds, right?

[B]

Yeah. Three, two, 11 seconds.

[C]

Oh, crap. We did the exact same thing.

[B]

Use two minutes.

[C]

I said 120 seconds, which is the same.

[A]

Wait, so how do you want. Do you want to take the. We got to start guessing more specific numbers. I think we always just guess really clean, round numbers. I got to start saying, like, 2 minutes and 5 seconds just to make things easier.

[C]

I'll let you. You can choose. What do you want, the over or the under? Like, do one second. Over.

[A]

Hi, Fitz. What did you take?

[B]

I just said 20 seconds, so, I.

[A]

Mean, that's not it. Oh, I actually think it's. This is big. Dk. I'll. I'll take. Can I. I'll take the under. I'll take the slide under.

[C]

Okay. Are you sure?

[B]

I just looked at the answer. You sure you want the under high?

[C]

Fitz, what are you doing?

[A]

Why. Why would you say that?

[B]

I thought it'd be funny.

[A]

All right. Yeah.

[C]

No, he's taking the under. He already. He's committed.

[B]

I. I just checked the answer. The answer is 119.5 seconds.

[A]

You get.

[C]

Get the fuck out of here.

[A]

Why? 0.5.

[B]

Like, literally two minutes minus half a second. That is literally the answer. So I. That's why I was kind of shocked.

[C]

So we're still tied.

[A]

What do you mean? I took. I took under.

[C]

Oh, I thought you were. I thought you were saying.

[B]

No, but that's 19. His point is. Right. You said under, and he went like it is in fact, Hence why I was trying to fix the situation.

[C]

But you.

[B]

Yeah, actually, I have an extra. Guinness related trivia. We have four. I check dk.

[A]

We crushed that. Good job.

[B]

Yeah. That's pretty impressive. And I'll do another one here. Arthur Guinness. Arthur Guinness signed a lease in 1759 for the St. James Gate Brewery in Dublin. How many years was the original lease for.

[C]

I remember. I, I, I've heard this before. Craig, do you want to guess wrong?

[A]

No. But is it, is it like 500 years or something insane?

[B]

I don't know. I assume since it was like sent to us as a trivia question, it wasn't like three years. Yeah, but I, I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, well, yeah. So is that your guess? What do you want to guess?

[A]

I'm gonna say a thousand years.

[C]

The first number that came to my mind was 2000 years. So that's what I'll go with.

[A]

Is it 1500?

[B]

The answer is 9000 years. A 9000 release. At that point, don't you just own it? How will you have a 9,000 year lease and you donate, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow, that's incredible.

[A]

Like just, just like keeping that contract around for 9,000 years feels, I don't.

[B]

Even know how I could. I don't.

[C]

Yeah, that's, it's in a, it's in some drawer somewhere.

[B]

That's so funny. Let's find the lease. Where's the 9000 year drawer? Prove it. Some clock he buried in the desert. That's like a CCM atom clock. Anyway, we don't have time for this.

[A]

Anyway, other running backs, you earned.

[C]

You earned.

[B]

All right, Craig, who do you want as the next running back? There's a huge drop.

[A]

Yeah. It's a massive mass.

[B]

Like if you actually need to play someone from fantasy Benson and then if it's like probably seven receivers. If you actually need to play someone this week and then I agree, we.

[A]

Don'T need to spend a ton of time. I'm gonna go with Woody Mark, the rookie running back on the Texans, Daria Agumbawale, who was kind of the guy playing ahead of Woody Marks as the past catching back didn't play a snap last week. It's kind of now just split. It's Nick Chubb playing half the snaps and Woody Marks playing half. It was 33 to 30. So I'm going to go with Woody Marks as a guy who I think throughout the season could end up becoming like a nice player who can catch some passes for you. And also Nick Chubb, you know, who knows what's going to happen with him injury wise this, this season. So I'll go with Woody Marks.

[B]

That's cool. I mean all these guys suck and it's kind of just a mix of do you actually need to play someone this week or do you want for longer term? I will say if you actually need to play someone, unfortunately I would probably pick Kareem Hunt, like, It sucks. Like 10 carries, 30 yards a touchdown. Like, he's not really the kind of player you want on your bench or on your team. It's like you just pray he's going to get touchdown. Honestly, all these guys, I'm just going to rip through a bunch of guys that I think are all the same vibe of like, you just hope they score and that's kind of it. But like some guys are going to have way better upside. So that's why I don't love Kareem Hunt really probably. I mean, Ollie Gordon for the Dolphins, clearly the short down and distance goal line back for Miami. I don't really love Ollie Gordon because it's like he's the backup to Hn, but hn his values as a receiver, not a running back. So if hn gets hurt, Ali Gordon's not going to take the receiving work. So it's like what's the short down and distance stuff worth on a team that isn't really good at that? Having said that, he's a short down distance running back. Same with Tyler Algier. It's like the tides go in and out. It's like they play the Panthers with a terrible run d and Tyler Algeria gets like one carry. So you'll never know there. Devin Singletary will probably play more for the Giants. Cause Tyrone Tracy's hurt. But like, do you really want him? So I'm like, honestly, man, I. I guess maybe better than Kareem Haunt it. Maybe I should just take Blake Corum, who at least I need carries. I'd probably take him because it's eight carries, 50 yards in a touchdown. The difference being like Blake Corum I actually think is good. And if Kyron Williams got hurt, like, Blake Corum would probably just be Kyron Williams.

[A]

He looks good.

[C]

I know. I was gonna say he's playing more.

[A]

This year and he looks good.

[B]

So actually I would take. Yeah, I would take Blake Corum over Cream Hunt and then the other guys. I just want to mention someone for the Chargers is going to end up playing Naji Harris toys Achilles. I kind of think it's going to be Hassan Haskins. I don't think he's that good, but he played at Michigan for Harbor, I believe. And so that might just be enough. But I don't. I don't know. There's like Kyle Manungai for the Bears where it's as simple to me as DeAndre Swift is playing through a quad injury. And then if he re injures the quad, man, guy's just kind of the starter for the Bears. But yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty. I it's pretty brutal.

[C]

If you need actual running the waiver wire at running back this week is tough. I would say it's it's Trey Benson, then a whole bunch of other guys. How do you want to do the official order here? Trey Benson, Woody Marks, and then I.

[B]

Think Benson and Marks is the same thing where it's I would do quorum over Mark simply because Nick Chubb is more likely to get hurt than than.

[C]

The Rams offense is significant.

[B]

Yeah, it's like what is it worth to be the running back for the team with the worst offensive line in the NFL? So I personally would do Benson Corum.

[A]

For just next week.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's tough because like next week the Rams are playing the Colts, so it's like what does that mean? But then the Texans are going to.

[A]

Get the kicked out of them.

[B]

I know the Texans are playing the Titans. I, I, I don't care that much if you want. I mean, Marks looks good, that's cool. But the point is it's like the same thing. It's like the guy in front of them gets hurt. They could play. If not, you just like throwing a dart.

[A]

Marks is playing though. He plays playing half the snaps now.

[B]

So there you go, Benson. There you go. So yeah, so Trey Benson, Woody Marks and Blake Corum and then like a bunch of guys, you know, I mean, yeah. Kendra Miller on the Saints, Taj Chris. A lot of flotsam. All right, we're going to get to receivers, but first, this episode is brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. You can watch every game, every Sunday all in one place so you don't miss a key moment on the field with NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV. And now you can get it monthly. Get NFL Sunday Ticket month to month and cancel any time. Head to YouTube.com ringerfantasy to sign up local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games excludes digital only games. Base plan required. Renews every month during the 2025 regular season. Only your membership for the following month can be canceled any time before your renewal date. Terms, restrictions and embargoes apply, commercial use excluded.

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[B]

Okay, receivers, I think there's way more to talk about at wide receiver this week.

[C]

This one was hard. It's hard to choose the top guy here.

[B]

I think CD Lamb is a high ankle sprain. Mike Evans is a low grade hamstring Malik. Neighbors is just sad. You know, I don't know if we're gonna have a ton of agreement here, but Deacon, curious who's your number one receiver you'd add off waivers this week?

[C]

Yeah, I waffled on this a lot. I think I'll go with Elik IO Manor from the Titans. And I know that we've probably said his name seven different ways this season. Still not quite sure exactly.

[B]

Covering all our bases.

[C]

Yeah. But it just truly feels like he is the number one receiver on this team. Calvin Ridley has not really been very good. He's. He's struggled. He's dropped a few passes. It seems like Cam Ward really trusts IO Manor. And the nice part, like, obviously I. I am a little bit nervous about recommending a guy on the Titans and I recognize that. Right. Like their offense has been horrific so far. However, like I said last night, they've gone through the gauntlet of defenses, Rams, Broncos and Colts so far this year. And then it starts to ease up after next week. So the Texans are next week and then after that the schedule lightens up quite a bit. They go the Cardinals, Raiders, Patriots, Colts, Chargers. So it's obviously not the easiest, but I would say I.O. manor is my top guy. But I don't feel super strongly about that.

[B]

Craig.

[A]

I went with IO Manor too. I know we really like him. I think he's market correcting Calvin Ridley. I think it's pretty remarkable what this guy's doing as a fourth round, fourth rounder.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like so quickly he. I mean, he leads the team in end zone targets. He has two touchdowns this year. Ward looks to him in the end zone and he looks good. Calvin Ridley's got three drops in three weeks, I think, which is a bummer. I mean, I thought Calvin Ridley was going to be awesome this year. I also liked IO Menorah, but I had no idea that this takeover was.

[C]

Going to happen so quickly.

[A]

Yeah. If at all this year. So I. I was between him and Trey Tucker on the Raiders, to be honest.

[C]

Same, same.

[A]

But I think, I think long term it's more likely that I.O. manor becomes like, the number one and is awesome. And then he's like, like, if you had to pick somebody who could be the Puka Nuku of this year, like, I think it's him. And Trey Tucker feels a little bit more like, all right, you're getting Marquez Valdez scantling on the Raiders, and it's like the guy who they. They throw deep shots to, but he has been good.

[B]

If it's break the tie and I. It's. What'd you say, dk?

[C]

I said, like, if Craig and I are both between Trey Tucker and Eli Manor, like, you break the tie, you choose one.

[B]

I'll do Trent Tucker, man. Because I'm like, I. I feel like.

[C]

After talking about it, I lean that way too now, actually, because I. I.

[B]

Agree with everything you said. I am like, I. I think Elick is probably the less fun, correct answer because to your point, Amanor is probably just gonna be the number one receiver on an NFL team and you can add him and he's probably gonna roll all season and he'll probably get better and better as the season goes on, not worse. The rookie wall is not really. It's a myth. It's actually like rookies, like, generally, you're gonna get better as the season goes. But I think with Trey Tucker is like, he had 41 points this week, and he had 140 something yards and eight catches and three touchdowns. And I understand, like, literally the number one player in fantasy. And I understand that, like, oh, you can't just chase that Mike. Yeah, but he's. Do you know, on the season, he's the number three receiver in fantasy, like, of all receivers. Tred Tucker's third. Part of me is like, I don't know. Pick that guy.

[C]

I know it's like kind of like, don't get too cute. Here's the other reason. Here's the other reasons. I kind of lean that way, too. As I was thinking about it, is there has been a steady drum beat of hype about this guy going back into the off season. We heard about him a lot. He is by far playing the most snaps alongside Jacoby Myers. So there's that. He is like, in 90 plus percent of the.

[A]

He's basically out there as much as Jacoby Myers.

[C]

And then the other thing I want to add here, and this is just a little piece of context, I don't think he really. He didn't come out of nowhere. Nowhere. I actually liked him a lot going back, and I. I could dig up My. My tweet about this. The two most impressive people at the Senior bowl when I went that year, which was three years ago, were Jaden Reed and Trey Tucker. And I thought they had similar skill types, similar body side. I think Jane Reed's a little bit bigger, but they were both very, very impressive at the Senior Bowl. And it's not that surprising to me to see Trey Tucker, like, producing legit numbers here. So I just say that that's my.

[B]

Other thing with this. So. So here's the thing. And just. Just to give people an idea, just. And first of all, I want to read some dumb stats that don't mean anything but are funny. Last week, Trey Tucker outscored Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Ladd McConkey, Teagans, and CD Lamb combined. Now, that doesn't necessarily matter. There's always some random receiver, a tight end who catches three touchdowns, and then they never do that ever again in their entire career. And it's like random and inexplicable, and random stuff happens. To your point, though, DK part of me does wonder with Trey Tucker that we're just stuck to the bias of, well, he's 5 foot 8, like 108 pounds, and no one wants to believe he's good. He didn't really do much his first years in the NFL. And ironically, it reminds me a little bit of Nico Collins. Not literally, because Nico Collins is different style, eight inches taller.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, it's a different thing. But Nico Collins, when he was good people, he was an idea. But you were like, oh, yeah, Nico Collins is going to be a top six guy. And then he just was. And I'm not saying it's like that with Trey Tucker, but I think it's easy to stereotype into what Craig said. Marquez Valdez, scantling. That's why no one wants to believe it. But I'm like, I saw a few things. And Austin Gayle, who's a big Raiders fan here and just knows football and knows the Raiders, and his point was, it's not just a big deep threat with Trey Tucker, but Trey Tucker on the scramble drills with Gino was the one who was connecting with Gino on the scrambled drills. And in a world where Jacoby Myers is not a deep threat, Brock Bowers is not healthy. Michael. Michael Mayer, the other tight end, has a concussion. And I, you know, Dante Thornton, you know, people are like, well, Dante Thornton, pick him up. He's 6 foot 5. Like, I don't care that he's 6 foot 5 like Trey Tucker has demonstrated an ability to connect with Geno Smith not only on deep balls but off schedule. And the touchdown he had was intermediate. Like that was a short route that wasn't necessarily a deep shot. The first of the three touchdowns. And I'm like, you know what? Also Geno Smith is a Stafford. Geno Smith is a guy who just like when he has his guys, he forces them the ball and I guess. I guess I'm coming back around on the. It's like the bell curve meme. It's like pick up the guy who's third in points. And then I'm like, well you know, he doesn't really have a role and he's 5 foot 8 and blah blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't know. Gino's probably gonna keep throwing him the ball. It worked last week. And I'm like I kind of just want it. So I think I'll do that. I totally understand how one he could have no catches for the next two weeks and you cut him and then he does it again and you pick him up and he sucks. I just kind of think though if you. It's to me it's this simple. If Trey Tucker is good the rest of the year and you don't pick him up, you'll feel like an idiot.

[A]

It.

[C]

I'm sure there's going to be ups and downs but I will say the last two weeks he's had nine targets and eight targets. Plus he has a couple of rushes. He has two total rushes.

[B]

So one which is also to me suggests they're trying to get him the ball.

[C]

Right. They're scheming him up ways to touch the football. They.

[A]

He's unique to what the team has right now. Like he like his like small, quick, twitchy. Like they don't really. They have Deontay Thornton who's like big. They have Jacoby Myers who's not really that type. They have Brock Bowers. Like he does provide a certain thing to the offense and in their I mean 19% target share is. Is not terrible. He only has one less target than Brock Bowers this year who I admittedly is beat up. But Gino launches the ball. Gino has the most 20, 20 yard completions in the league this year.

[B]

He's checking and I understand it was garbage time for Washington. I guess my thing is look, I guess want to get the caveat.

[C]

I understand the Raiders this year though.

[B]

I know but I understand exactly. That's exactly. The Raiders are Going to be the shootouts. And then also just again, Trey Tucker could suck. All these guys could suck. Like, like Trey Franklin. We. We like last week, Trey Franklin. How many yards did he have?

[A]

Less than 10, nine, eight.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm like, all these guys could do that. I'm like, none of these guys we're talking about are probably going to do what Trey Tucker did this year. I'm just curious if he could do it again anyway.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But I am more confident in Elick for the Titans having a role. So I have no. It's just, what do you want? You want a guy you can put in your flex and not freak out that he could have no role? Or do you want, like a crazy home run shot? That, to me is Trey Tucker. And the other guy in this group while we're here is also I. That I would put third. And then there's, to me, a teardrop. Is Calvin Austin for the Steelers? Because I think Calvin Austin is a pretty good bet to catch a touchdown every week. And if you need him in flex and buy weeks, it's like, I don't know if Calvin Austin's gonna have 150 yards, but he might have nine catches and a touchdown some week just because of the way Rogers is playing. So that, to me, is a guy I would put third. And I think after that, to me, there's a teardrop.

[A]

Oh, I. I don't know if I'd put him in this tier, to be honest.

[C]

Like, he had one third.

[A]

Yeah, he had 22 yards last week. He had 34 yards this week. This. I don't know. Rogers threw for like 140 yards this year. I just don't. I don't know what the volume is there. I agree he's like a pretty good player, but I don't. I don't know if the same volume is there as, like, Trey Tucker. I don't.

[B]

That's fair. I guess you could. That's fair. I guess you could put Calvinos at the top of the next tier. To me, that's probably a better way to put it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so there we go. So then still.

[C]

So we'll roll with Tucker, right?

[A]

Yeah, we'll roll with Tucker. And then also he's way more available.

[B]

I think Elick might be rostered in leagues. I don't think Tucker's roster. Right.

[A]

And then the loser can get Elick. And then we'll see what we do with third. Okay. All right. It is the Trey Tucker of the Las Vegas Raiders showdown.

[B]

Time. Love that. Gong.

[A]

Let's rip it.

[B]

The Guinness Book of World Records was made. This is from Dave again. The Guinness Book of World Records was made to settle a pub argument involving Sir Hugh Beaver.

[C]

Christ.

[B]

Funny.

[A]

What'd you call me?

[B]

The managing director of Guinness brewery was named Sir Hugh Beaver. What's so funny? Dk that's on the old school. Put that on the Gen X spelling bee. I bet Kai doesn't even know what that means.

[C]

The what?

[B]

Oh, Beaver. I bet that's a. That's a. That's.

[A]

I bet he knows. I bet he knows, like, what it.

[C]

Refers to in slang.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Anyway, Sir Hugh Beaver and was arguing with someone over the fastest game bird in Europe.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And I want a classic pub combo.

[A]

I had that argument last week with a friend.

[B]

Exactly. So what the question. What year was the first Guinness Book of World Records published? And then also I kind of want to finish, figure out what the fastest game bird is.

[C]

Guinness Book of World Records. I always wondered.

[B]

9,000 years ago.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. Just gonna take a stab at it.

[B]

Sure. Three, two, one, eight.

[C]

1990. Okay, so Craig said 1910. I said 1898. High. Fitz.

[B]

I said 1840.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, 1955.

[C]

Craig.

[A]

That was huge. I really.

[C]

1845. I feel like it. It's felt older than that, but that's fine.

[A]

I feel like there. There was my. Thinking there was there. There's not enough ability to actually, like, speak to other people across the country and world and figure out what records there were.

[B]

Like, they were probably lying. Yeah.

[A]

It just felt like you.

[B]

You.

[A]

There was the reach wasn't. Wasn't possible in the 1800s.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Craig, double or nothing on fastest game bird in Europe.

[A]

Hell no.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I need to hold on to that win. What is the fastest game bird, though? Can we. Can you tell me?

[B]

I think Gemini misunderstood me. The. Oh, the European golden plover plover.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What is a European golden plover plover. Pl. Like Glover, but with a P. Plover. Like a Range Rover, but a P. L. Plover Plover. Eurasian golden plover. Plover plover.

[C]

That's duly noted. Anyway, okay, Craig, you're gonna take. You're gonna take Tucker.

[A]

Yeah, I'll take Tucker. And then that means DK gets. I am an or, which means high fits. You get your pick of the litter here for number three. You're taking Calvin Austin.

[B]

Okay, I got. I'm gonna make a contra. There's a. First of all, can I just run through a ton of guys? Yeah.

[C]

Just see if you guys out there. Yeah.

[B]

Guys that I would look at and think about for more than two seconds. You know, sometimes your eyes just delete. People think I Troy Franklin on the Broncos who we talked about last week sucked last week. But I'm like, okay, they're playing the Bengals this week and the Bengals defense obviously sucks because the vikings just scored 48 points. Jalen Tolbert for the Cowboys because CD Lamb is his high and close. Like I'll try to play next week. I if the Cowboys let CD Lamb play in a high ankle, they're idiots. So Jalen Tolbert and Kevonte Turpin. But I I would prefer Tolbert. Romeo Doves ends on Tavian Wicks going from the Browns defense and then the packers next week play Dallas. And again that one is interesting me we just saw what Caleb Williams did to Dallas. You would kind of think packers like I know Matthew Golden, Don Taven Wicks, Romeo Dubs, all those guys have been disappointing. But I'm like the Cowboys defense is ass and then lesser extent Wondale. But I'd rather not chase what Wanda did versus Dallas and chase what the packers could do to Dallas. Booty for the Patriots I like, but I don't know if I would want to throw them in this week because the Patriots are playing the Panthers like you could. Luther Burden is exciting, but I'm like, I don't know. The big play was a flea flicker.

[C]

Like, yeah, but he's a good stash.

[B]

I would say he's a good stash.

[A]

If you have a deep league and you want to take a risk. He's barely playing still, but he clearly has the talent. He's an early second round pick. It's like eventually he can work his way in ahead of Alameda Zakias and be the number three guy probably. But it's, it's not yet exactly like.

[B]

Luther Burden, I think will probably get one to three touches every game, but I kind of don't think he's going to get six or seven in the next few weeks.

[A]

But if you, if you had to pick any of these guys who by week 14 is crushing, it's probably Luther Burden.

[B]

Exactly. And that's the thing I want to distinguish because I know everyone has different things. It's like if you need someone for this week in the next two, it's like, all right, Jaylen Tolbert's on this list. You have the luxury. Three we on Sea Point, Luther Burden, Tori Horton for the Seahawks. All he does is catch touchdowns. That's another rookie that I just feel like is going to get better and better as the season goes on. I don't want to put him in now. Christian Kirk for the Texans I have to say if there is a guy that I'm kind of like and I'm a little this week maybe it's dumb but there's a guy where I'm like oh my God. Who do I actually think is just going to beat these guys though? I kind of think it's Taekwond Thornton from the Chiefs.

[C]

I was going to say throw him in there.

[B]

Yeah, it's weird because we're going to do the topper from Ravens Lions but I haven't watched Ravens Lions yet and that the Ravens defense is good. I will say though, of all the the post Tyreek Hill era Chiefs and all the receivers Kansas City has trotted out in the attempt to replace the speed and all these like spare parts, I think Tyquan Thornton like clearly looks like the best one and I'm not counting Rasheed right Rasheed Wright isn't spare parties like a second round pick but I actually think Taekwond Thornton looks better than Xavier Worthy. He looks worthier than Worthy. Like, like Thornton is the deep threat guy that Valdez scantly was. But Thornton has hands like Thornton's going up and getting passes like Thornton like, like I don't know. I, I I, he had what, nine targets. He had five catches, 71 yards and nine targets. But I, I, I don't know. It's the Chief's offense. It's hard for them to get stuff going. Maybe it's dumb to pick him against the Ravens because it's like the Ravens defense is so good but I'm like I, I am more pessimistic the most. I don't care that they're like oh Worthy might come back, schefter said on ESPN on Sunday morning. The injury is worse than people think. I'm not really worried about Worthy having a big impact the next two weeks. I think you have a three week continued window where Rasheed Rice is not playing in that. If you need a guy for that three weeks like a CD Lamb, I kind of, I'm kind of leaning toward Thornton. I understand that's probably a stupid pick for a few reasons but I don't know. I, I kind of just think he will score the most points of these guys next week. I don't mind mating too.

[A]

Also a second round pick, Taekwond Thornton by the Patriots.

[B]

He's like a sprinter. He's like a track sprinter that became.

[A]

An NFL player well and it's funny that. So he had that great like long ball he brought down. Contested catch was awesome. But the play before that was a much easier deep ball that he dropped. And I swear like if he had just dropped that ball and Mahomes didn't go back to him and he brought in that, that, that really difficult catch, I think everybody would have been out on Taekwond Thornton, him catching that pass like around the defender, I think made people realize that actually he might be be something.

[B]

He ran a 428-40-yard dash. Xavier Worthy's record was 421 dynamic.

[A]

He's extremely tall and skinny at that point.

[B]

428-422. It doesn't matter like can you catch? Can you do all this other stuff? And I'm like where are these still shoulders still busted? Like I don't know. I'm kind of shocked at how competent Thornton looks in this offense. They've had so many guys they try to cycle in and out. I don't.

[C]

Yeah, he looks like a real receiver in this offense. Everybody else has major issues and like that drop, even though it was I guess technically a drop, like he lost it going to the ground, it wasn't necessarily like a super easy play. So yeah, I think he right now he seems to have a pretty regular role in this offense and has earned Patrick Mahomes trust. And the nice part is he might not get a ton of volume each game, but he's always dangerous for like a big play. And so you know, if you're kind of. This is definitely more of a flex play if you're a little bit desperate. But I don't hate this.

[B]

Am I crazy for picking him over like Jalen Tolbert? Because I'm like CD Lamb's targets being distributed. I'm like, Jake Ferguson's going to be in pick.

[C]

Ferguson's going to catch like 160.

[A]

He's quietly. He is second in the NFL and catches Jake.

[C]

He's on. He's on. I think he's on pace for like 150something catches.

[A]

He had 12 last week.

[B]

Yeah, and that's between that I'm like, I don't really want to have Tolbert vs. The Packers D. I think you can talk me into basically taking one more swing at the Tavian Wicks or Romeo probably Don Tavian Wicks or Romeo Dobbs against the Packer.

[C]

Try my luck with Troy Franklin over.

[B]

Yeah. Versus the Bengals. Like I, I have. I'm not even gonna pretend I have a strong feeling on that. But I think that to me is the next group. Troy Franklin versus the Bengals. But you're playing the Sean Payton roulette Tyquan Thornton where you're like, can the Chiefs beat the Ravens? Like move the ball in the Ravens, which is probably iffy itself.

[C]

The other guy to mention real quick, I don't. Hi Fitz. You might have mentioned him. Sterling Shepard for the buccaneers who went four catches for 80 yards. Mike Evans is going to be out for the indefinite future. And the only thing that holds me back from being a little bit more excited about starting shepherd, who I think is just like a Wiley vet who knows how to get open.

[B]

He's 32 and had the Klay Thompson five years ago.

[A]

Yeah. A rare 0% rostered on Yahoo leagues.

[C]

This is. You have to kind of pay attention this week to what's going on with Chris Godwin. There is, there's reports, Schefter said it on Sunday that Chris Godwin could come back this week. Wouldn't be super surprising if it took an extra week. So if you're really desperate with Mike Evans out and if Chris Godwin is not back, swing. Shepard is like the number two receiver for the Buccaneers. So just throw that out there.

[B]

That's an interesting one. So would you. What, what would you guys do if you were in my spot where it's like, okay, you're saying, okay, if Trey Tucker's gone, if Eli Kaymanora is gone, would you go with Troy Franklin versus the Bengals? Would you play? Would you go with like a Don Taven Wicks or Dobbs versus Dallas where part of me is like, it's that simple. I'm like the Dallas defense.

[A]

Dobbs plays the most snaps. They're playing the Cowboys. It's a bounce back week for Green Bay. Like Dobbs is the number one receiver in terms of snaps and routes. I'd probably go with Dobbs.

[B]

That's totally fair. Part of me is just like play players against Dallas Russell. Caleb Williams just had the best game of his career against Dallas. Russell Wilson just had statistically like one of the two or three best games of his career against Dallas. Just do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So maybe that's the simplest way to do it is just Dobbs or Wicks. Don Tamon Wix is around too. If Dobbs is rostered, Wicks is there. Yeah. Okay.

[C]

Also if. If for some reason Chris Godwin is still out there on your league, pick him up. Now.

[B]

The. Okay, so we're saying.

[C]

Craig, Craig got Tucker, I got Menor and you go Wicks Tucker.

[B]

I am sorry Tucker, I am an or. Dobbs.

[C]

Dobbs.

[A]

Dobbs. Yeah.

[B]

Tight end. I want to just give a shout out to Craig because the number one guy is definitely Hunter Henry. On Friday's show, we were talking about Mark Andrews or Hunter Henry and you're like, I would bench him. And I was like, okay, but like, for who? Where's the line? And you were like, I would play Hunter Henry over Mark Andrews. And. Well, actually, no, I think I'm remembering wrong. I tried to convince you to play Hunter Henry and you. You insisted that Mark Andrews was the play. I. I beat the drum for Hunter Henry. And Hunter Henry is not only number one tight end this week, Hunter Henry is literally the number one tight end of fantasy on the season so far.

[C]

Wild.

[B]

Which is hilarious, but literally number one. So I think we can.

[A]

We'll see. You know, maybe Mark Andrews has three touchdowns tonight. We don't know.

[B]

That would be great. I will say if he's available, it's not even worth doing the trivia, but if Hunter Henry's available. Yeah, pick him up. He's the number one tight end fantasy. Like, you know, he's only 60% rostered on Yahoo. He's like under 50 at ESPN. It depends on your league size. But if Hunter Henry is available, like, yeah, pick up one Titan fantasy. Groundbreaking. I also will say we didn't include him in this, but TJ Hawkinson, I've seen him released like the ringer fantasy. Oh, yeah, I picked him up. So if anyone caught Hawkinson, I would add him too. And I assume you guys would take him over the other people here.

[A]

Yeah, probably. It's been tough. Also, Jordan Addison coming back next week.

[B]

Dude, I would take hot anyway.

[A]

I mean, yeah, we're talking about guys like I would take Hawkinson over like Brenton Strange or something.

[B]

Yeah. So with that said, DK Hunter Henry taken out of it. Hawkinson, if he's been cut, taken out of it. Who's your number one tight end for waivers after week three?

[C]

I think I'm going to couch it between good stash versus guy that you need to play this week. If you absolutely need to play someone this week, I think I would go with Chiga Conquo for the Titans, who has been a big pretty. A pretty big part of their offense. And again, like I said with IO Menorah, they played really good defenses so far. Theoretically, we could see them open things up a little bit more going forward. So last week he had four catches for 35 yards on six targets. The week before that he had six targets, five catches, 66 yards. He looks pretty good right now. But again, the tight end waivers is pretty bleak.

[B]

It's horrific.

[C]

And then the other guy, I was gonna say he was better than six.

[A]

He had five catches for 66 yards this week.

[C]

Oh, did I. I had that mixed up. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. Five for 66 this week. Last week he had six targets, four catches, 35 yards. The guy that I would say I would stash but not necessarily feel great about starting. Is Isaiah likely for the Ravens?

[A]

I think so too. Likely is a guy who I feel like is. Is constantly teasing you in fantasy. He'll have a big week and then he'll disappear for a while. But if the Mark Andrews thing is over, then Isaiah likely is going to be relevant this season. So I agree. I would say he's probably my number one as well.

[B]

He's likely or chick likely if I.

[C]

Think likely has a higher upside.

[B]

It's tough because we haven't watched Ravens Lions, so maybe this is like either Isaiah likely hasn't played or did anything. I guess my issue is Isaiah likely.

[C]

Had foot surgery like a month ago.

[B]

Three weeks ago, three limited practices. So they're gonna.

[C]

They're gonna.

[B]

They're gonna like, probably work him up on a snap count. So it's one of those things where until I see him play, I kind of. It's hard for me to be like, yeah, put him in your lineup, but unambiguously the best player of this group.

[A]

He's the long term. Like, if any of these guys is going to be a top 10 tight end at the end of the season, it's gonna be him.

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, I. I agree with that. The. I have no problem.

[C]

Yeah, so we'll do likely as a stash. But then if you really need to play someone this week.

[A]

Yeah, I honestly, I might go. Brenton Strange. It's funny. Brenton Strange quietly leads the the Jaguars and catches in yards over Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter or anybody else. He's number one in catches and yards.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Playing the Niners next week. They just lost Nick Bosa. I don't know. I think Strange is somewhat reliable in terms of volume. The only thing, he's not getting his end zone targets because the Jags can't score. Trevor Lawrence has been really bad in the red zone. He is Breton. Strange is zero red zone targets and zero end zone targets.

[B]

I. I would go Brenton Strange too. He's. He would be my number one pick.

[A]

He's just consistently in the mix.

[C]

I'm Fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with that. It was close Between.

[A]

It's all in the same tier. I think him and Chig are on the same tier. A fun. Chig also quietly leads the Titans and catches and yards.

[B]

So funny.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, Brenton. Strange showdown time.

[A]

We're doing the strange. All right. For some strange showdown time.

[B]

I'm out of Guinness questions. So I have a question here from jbone.

[A]

J Bone.

[B]

Jay. For breakfast, I had yogurt. Specifically Icelandic yogurt called Skir.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Skir. With berries and granola on top.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

That sounds freaking delicious.

[A]

Great way to start your day.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

As a J. Bone. The best of the Bones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I got to thinking I'm an imposter. J Bone is just a nickname for me. But how many people are truly named Bone? So my trivia question is, how many people in the entire world have the last name Bone?

[C]

Like Ken Bone.

[B]

Ken Bone. Yes, exactly.

[C]

Oh, that's great. Good question.

[B]

It's a pretty inspired question.

[C]

I've never heard of anyone besides Ken Bone.

[B]

It's just Ken Bone, Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also incredible. Ken Bone's not important.

[C]

Are there any other, like, sports players or anybody that you can remember having last name Bone?

[B]

Bone. I. I know.

[C]

I'm sure there are, but I can't remember them.

[A]

This is one of those questions where I could be so off, man. Okay, sure. I'm just gonna say the first number that popped into my head. Are we ready? Same.

[B]

Sure. Three, two, one.

[A]

30,000.

[B]

I said 10,000. Would you say DK?

[C]

I said 5,000. I went low.

[A]

I said 30.

[B]

Wow. Oh, Craig. Craig's in a good position here.

[C]

Craig went high.

[A]

Boom. It's like 14.

[B]

Damn. We actually were pretty close. 54,213.

[A]

We're cooking today, baby.

[B]

54Bears.

[C]

IO 54,000 people named Bone.

[B]

There are so many. 7 billion on Earth.

[A]

God. 54,000 people out here with last name Bone.

[C]

Jesus. The Bone family.

[B]

Just fill a stadium with people named Bone.

[A]

Imagine meeting your partner's father, and his name is Mr. Bone.

[C]

It's a Norman English surname of Norman origin. And so that would be like northern France. And comes from the old French word bon, which means good.

[A]

Ah, okay. There you go. You mean Bone Bon.

[B]

Oh, Bon.

[C]

Bon appetit.

[A]

Like above. Yeah.

[B]

How about that?

[C]

It can also be. It can also be an English nickname derived from Middle English for bone or leg, which makes obvious sense.

[A]

Bone or leg or bone.

[C]

Bone or leg.

[A]

Got it. Is that bone?

[B]

Do you think that's where it came from?

[C]

Bone. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Bone Thugs in Harmony. Do they count?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, dk, you get. Who'd you pick?

[C]

So Craig. I got last. Oh.

[B]

Oh, Yeah.

[C]

I said 5,000. Craig got it number one.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm taking Strange. I'm out. I found some Strange.

[B]

That's why I like that we do it like waivers where it's like, I went for him, but I kind of got screwed because I went for Strange and then DK got a conquest. So now I have to pick a third guy, which kind of sucks ass.

[C]

No, I think I'm last. What did you have Britain Strange?

[A]

No, no, you said 10,000. DK said 5,000.

[B]

Okay. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Then I would take chicka conquo Good luck, dk.

[C]

And then Isaiah likely doesn't count or what?

[B]

No, sure.

[C]

All right, I'll throw. I'll throw. Just a chip on a ronde. Gadson. Gadsden.

[A]

Gadsden. Dsd.

[C]

Yeah. From the Chargers, who was active for the first time this year. And he. Look, he only played 25 of the snap. So this is a stash only.

[A]

He kind of cooked and he looked.

[B]

He had point. You say likely if you want like he's playing. That's what Isaiah likely would do in a snap count.

[C]

Right. I. I want like. Likely would be my first choice anyway, so I'm gonna.

[A]

But.

[C]

But I want to throw out Gadsden as a potential just stash. You know, he had seven targets on 25% of the steps, so there's that.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, he. Gadsden had more catches on Sunday than Tyler Conklin, Will Disley and Tucker Fisk have combined for all season. He's a fifth round rookie. I mean, he looked good. And Herbert moves the ball around. This is obviously like a real shot in the dark because there's a lot going on with the tight end situation and with the Chargers. But Greg Roman, tight ends, maybe this guy ends up being good. But I. I did think he looked. He looked good. I mean, yeah, he had a very important day in this. In a very important game.

[C]

He's more of a. He's even more of a receiver than a tight end. He's 6, 5, 2, 36. So he's, you know, not necessarily an inline guy.

[A]

A feather.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

All right, let's get to quarterbacks, but first we're going to take a quick break.

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[B]

All right, quarterback streamers.

[C]

So.

[B]

You might have, I mean if you picked up like Marcus Marot or someone, that probably worked that well. But obviously we don't know right now. Maybe Jim Daniels plays this week. Maybe he doesn't seem like right now. Yeah, so we don't know if these guys are going to play. So we'll just go through because again, there still were a bunch of quarterback injuries. I also added to that list, actually. Not only did Nick Bose a Terry's ACL for the Niners, but Mac Jones, the Niners backup quarterback, re aggravated a PCL injury in week three. So it's like maybe he can play through. Niners can't catch a break. But if he can't play, Adrian. If Purdy can't play. Yeah, Purdy might play. But Adrian Martinez is the third stringer.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

The. No. Adrian Martinez I think was the mvp. Oh, of the ufl. I can't keep track of which leagues are which now.

[A]

Who's the Indiana? I thought the Niners had an Indiana kid.

[B]

No, a Curtis Rourke.

[C]

Adrian Martinez. He started with the Lions, then he went to the Birmingham stallions and won UFL MVP and was a UFL champion kind of thing.

[B]

2024 actually would be weirdly fantasy relevant if he played for the Niners, but.

[C]

He was at Nebraska and then Kansas State. Craig.

[B]

Yeah, but you think Curtis Rourke. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Who's on the team?

[B]

So the. If you do need a quarterback for whatever reason, I I do think Gino. It's kind of funny to chase Gino after he's played somewhat up and down, but obviously statistically he had a huge day. He was the top five quarterback last week and they're playing the Bears and I don't think the Bears defense is great and so I do think Gino is worth chasing after that. It gets a little squirrely.

[A]

There's not a lot of good stuff. I mean we're. Next week is the beginning of the international slate at will be in Dublin, obviously and it's going to be Steelers, Vikings. It's like Wentz Rogers playing in Dublin. I think you. You don't. You don't pick players playing overseas, especially backups. Like it's just a mess out there. You know, usually you don't really want.

[B]

To play Rogers versus the Vikings. Like the Vikings were the team that Rodgers played last year and got Robert Sala fired because Rogers played so poorly.

[A]

The offense is more of like Rogers is his ceiling. Most games is going to be 200 yards and you hope that he can get to two touchdowns. That's kind of about it. And again, usually the international games, sometimes it takes a little bit for these. For these teams to find their footing out there. Sometimes literally if you're in Brazil.

[C]

Good one.

[B]

So there's not. There honestly aren't a ton of quarterbacks.

[A]

Go get Jackson Dart. I'll tell you, I mean Schefter tweeted that day Ball was. I think Shefter tweeted it that day ball was non committal about who's going to start next week. If Dart, even if you're two, three weeks early and you got to hold on to him, if you have kind of. If you have shitty quarterbacks on your team, if you're starting C.J. stroud and Trevor Lawrence every week, go get Dart because when he plays he's going to be mobile and he could immediately change the Giants overnight if he's electric. And I it's worth it. Keep starting CJ Stroud if you're going to have to drop somebody to pick up Carson Wentz. But Dart is a worthy pick in my opinion.

[B]

The other guy. And yeah, that's the other thing. Maybe even playing Stroud and he sucks the other guy, unfortunately, I think Darnold is the guy that's pretty available that I think is worth picking up. I think the Seahawks offense, I do think they're going to keep. I mean not as well as. What do they beat? The Saints 44.

[A]

We didn't really touch that last night.

[B]

Jesus didn't hit on it. You're Seahawks beat your Saints. You're too chill.

[C]

My Saints. That was a snowball game. It just immediately snowballed on them like they were down big within like five minutes of the game.

[A]

I haven't seen it blow out that bad since the Super Bowl.

[C]

Yeah, it was great. I love a no stress Sunday where you don't have to worry about your team.

[A]

It's like 21:0 with like four minutes left in the first quarter.

[C]

It was amazing, I will say. Yeah, but like to, to your point, Darnold has looked he for what it's worth, he's played very, very efficiently outside of that one. Really bad, I guess. Well, it wasn't that bad but the, the turnover late in the game where he got strip sacked or whatever when they were going down and trying to win that Niners. Yeah, yeah, he's played pretty well otherwise, I would say. You know, I think according to pff he's like one of their highest graded passers according to EPA for drop back. He's pretty, pretty efficient. So he's, you know, he's running the offense with efficiency. Hopefully it doesn't fall apart like he has in the past. But yeah, the, the Seahawks, man, they really just friggin blew the doors off the Saints.

[B]

The problem with Darnold is that he plays on Thursday versus the Cardinals and so if you're waiting on your quarterback to be questionable or whatever, that kind of sucks to have to make the decision on Thursday night. Like that's not ideal. So if you kind of know you're like Stroud and you're like I'm done with this or whatever, then you can do Darnold. If you're waiting in a questionable situation, then you'll see. I mean I also if Jaden Daniels misses time again, Marcus Mariota, I mean they're clearly going to use him.

[C]

He runs a lot.

[B]

A lot.

[C]

So Todd Taylor also ran quite a bit for the Jets. If and I there's a chance, I think that Fields maybe misses a little bit of time here because he was ruled out from that game really early, which you don't speculate of course, but felt like maybe this was a serious concussion. So yeah, he's A he's a guy to keep in mind here if Fields can't play again.

[B]

Okay, cool. And defenses. So there's one. I mean, look, Vikings, you don't need me to tell you they, they scored many points and probably worth their picking up no matter the opponent. Seattle's defense I think is legit. They're a wagon. I think the packers defense is legit. And arrow wagon, the Eagles, Houston, I think if they're available, just go get them, whatever. I don't know. Sometimes people cut defenses for weird reasons. The Bills defense, if it's available in whatever reason I was going to mention them, but I'm like, I saw them available one league I'm in and they're playing the Saints like, you know, Vikings, Seahawks, Packers, Eagles, Houston, Bills, just go get them. I also would say other teams, the Browns, this one's a little weird. Browns defense is clearly legit. On ESPN. They're available in 98% of leagues. Yeah, like they're. They're around. The Browns are around. The problem is they play the Lions next week. I haven't seen Monday Night Football yet, but you listening to this have. So you pro. Like maybe you have the, the confidence to play the Browns vs. Detroit. But I will say if you can find a different defense versus next week, then the after the Lions, the Browns defense, which again just beat Green Bay. The Browns then play the Vikings and Carson Wentz in Europe or that games in London and then the.

[A]

The.

[B]

The Steelers, the Dolphins and the Patriots. So I think the Browns defense like that could work out pretty well. The other ones I really like, the Chargers defense is legit. Like it's very legit. And they play the Giants this week and the Giants suck. So the Chargers defense is a phenomenal choice. I also think the Rams. This is probably a little bit controversial, but Rams played the Colts this week. I am personally of the opinion that Daniel Jones's statistical comps only being the 2007 New England Patriots will probably run its course at some point.

[A]

Okay, sure, I don't love that, but all right.

[B]

So I kind of just. Yeah, I kind of think the Rams at some point Daniel Jones is going to look awful and I think that could be versus the Rams. I know that's a little more down bad, but that's why I listed 11 other defenses first. But I would certainly take the Chargers over them. And I also kind of think even if you think it's crazy to pick a team against the Ram. The Colts, then I would do the Patriots, who they're playing Carolina I think the Patriots are not awful on defense. And I think Carolina, I'm not worried about 30 nothing last week. Like, I, I, I actually, I kind of like Mike Vrabel versus Bryce Young. So there you go.

[A]

Yeah. We have breaking news. Adam Schefter reports. Falcons head coach Raheem Morris told reporters that offensive coordinator Zach Robinson will now move from the coaching box down to the field. Danny Kelly, your response?

[C]

The first response to this tweet is kk. That's my response also.

[B]

Okay, maybe there was a problem last week because they couldn't see Bryce Young from the field.

[A]

Field.

[B]

Is that low hanging fruit? I guess that's a coordinator. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, it's so funny, I think about all the time how sometimes you're like, why, why aren't they all up there? Whatever. And then it's like someone told me once, one of the reasons Brian Dable wanted to be out in the Booth with Sean McDermott for the When Dable's running the Bills offense is he didn't want to see McDermott on the sideline because he thought McDermott would tell him to mix in a run in person but would be less likely to do it on the radio.

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

And so it was like a personal reason. He wanted to be further from the coach.

[A]

And you could eat up there.

[B]

You can.

[C]

Yeah, you can eat up there.

[A]

You can sneak in a hot dog, no problem.

[B]

Mark Sanchez sneaks in a hot dog on the sideline. No one ever forgets it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do they know when they're going on camera? Because they do cut to the camera thing. But do you think they know or like, you just have to.

[A]

I don't. The booth be aware.

[C]

You just have to be aware.

[B]

It could be anything in the booth and just eating a hot dog and they cut to them like we probably get. I guess you eat while you're on defense.

[A]

I gotta say, I think I'd be a booth guy. I feel like it's just much easier to see the field from up there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Technology around you. I just don't like the idea of being down on that. I actually think it's a terrible view of the game from the field.

[B]

Yeah, it's, it's an awful view of the game.

[A]

Yeah. So I don't know. It's interesting.

[C]

But then you'd have to, you have to like talk on the phone to the quarterback and stuff. And so like just being there to explain to them.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, you're always, you're always Kind of radioing in, but I guess during timeouts and stuff.

[C]

But like, I've seen you see coaches going over stuff with guys on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know, like the. The Whatever. The tablet and. Yeah, that seems like the communication. Halftime easier.

[B]

That takes like the whole. Almost all of halftime to just go back and forth from the booth to the locker.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You're right, though, Craig. The booth is definitely. They're probably like to be in the booth also.

[A]

Breaking news. Houston Rockets is Fred Van Fleet towards acl.

[B]

Just like during summer workouts.

[A]

I guess so.

[B]

Well, that sucks.

[A]

Yeah. Dk, your response.

[C]

Bummer.

[A]

Yeah. You were big on Houston this year.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You got Kevin Durant. I don't know if you knew that.

[C]

Kevin Durant deep dive into the Atlanta. The advanced stats on that and agreed.

[B]

Kevin Durant going to Houston. I was kind of like, yeah, you know what? Like, I.

[A]

He's been on too many teams.

[B]

You can jump.

[A]

You can jump the Shark.

[C]

And he talked about too many teams.

[A]

It's over.

[B]

I just didn't care if he wins.

[A]

The title on the. It doesn't matter. He's just like, you're on too many teams.

[B]

I totally agree.

[A]

What do you think the limit is? 3? I guess it depends how long your career is.

[C]

But, yes, three.

[A]

Three teams is about it. LeBron did three teams. I even think a lot of people are kind of like Lakers, really? But, like, that's probably about it before people start to not take you seriously.

[B]

Yeah, I just. I just can't keep up with Russell.

[A]

Russell Westbrook's been on, like, nine teams.

[B]

I have so many questions about Russell.

[A]

Westbrook passed around.

[C]

Craig.

[A]

He is. He's probably had, like, four different teams in four different years, if you look it up.

[B]

Yeah, he's like Carson Wentz.

[A]

Yes, he is. He just. He is. He's been on Denver. I mean, like, you could throw a rock and hit a team. Russell Westbrook's been on.

[B]

We'll do it. We'll do an NBA season preview where we just talk about the Knicks the entire time.

[A]

Great.

[C]

Did we do the name game yet with the NBA?

[B]

I forgot the name game.

[A]

We did. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We just haven't done baseball.

[C]

We've done hockey and basketball. Okay.

[A]

Did we not do football?

[B]

I don't think so. The football one inspired it because we realized none of us knew what the Buffalo Bills were. We were like, what the.

[A]

Is a Bill named Bill?

[B]

I'm like, it's Buffalo Bill. Like, that's the Bill. Like, because we're like, oh, the logo is the. The city. We're like, oh, my God. The logo is the city. What? It's a bill.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when none of us knew that.

[A]

No.

[B]

We were like, what? Anyway, we should do baseball. Listening. Just got their mind blown.

[A]

We should do baseball. I don't. I don't know what the. A Cincinnati Red is.

[B]

Oh, no, we. Well, we might have done it because I know it's a red stocking. It was red socks, but also the red stockings.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

Two different red team. They used to.

[A]

The red team stockings. There's a red socks and the red.

[B]

Stocks and the white socks. They used to. They just named the teams after the socks they were wearing.

[A]

Well, the. Wasn't it the black socks as well, way back in the day?

[B]

Yep. There you go.

[A]

Yeah. What's it.

[B]

So the black socks. That was the White Sox tainted themselves. I don't know if the Black Sox were a team. I think that was just like they were, you know, besmirched. Oh, we must have done this, because now it's all coming back to the Cubs are. Because they're little bears.

[C]

From 1881 into 1889, they were the Cincinnati Red Stockings. Then they turned into the Reds from 1890-52 to 1952, and then Cincinnati Red Legs from 53 to 58.

[B]

Sean Parker got to them, and then.

[C]

They went back to Reds.

[A]

Yeah. Though you're right, Hive. The Black Sox refers to eight members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox who conspired with gamblers to lose the 1919 World Series against.

[B]

I'm sure that'll never happen again.

[A]

It definitely hasn't happened, right?

[B]

No.

[A]

Maybe it's already happened. Kings Lakers, 01.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, Craig's ready to open up that can of worms.

[B]

Are you guys want emails?

[C]

Yeah, emails.

[B]

How much? Well, how much? Well, I guess we'll start tame, and then we'll get to the butts.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Clinton. We got an email from Clinton.

[C]

Clinton, C. Bone.

[B]

Clint, a good clarification on how Deacon have this running thing of whether we could re. I could rebuild Stonehenge if you gave me 30 people and an uninterrupted, like, 60 years?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Clinton had a good clarification. When it comes to Danny Heifet's building Stonehenge, is he just getting rocks up, or does it have to align with the stars and measure time like actual Stonehenge?

[C]

Excellent point. I was just thinking more about getting rocks up.

[B]

Okay, me too. Good. Clinton thinks I could get the rocks together. Less sure I can. I can't align that with the stars. That seems super hard. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do think we can.

[C]

That would make it extra hard. I feel like. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. All right, well, that's settled.

[C]

Still stand, though. I don't think you'll get the rocks up, but that's fine.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Really heavy, those rocks.

[B]

We also have yesterday we had a long conversation because about. Basically I was. I guess it started with I was saying, you know, like people don't like talking. People don't know what to do with their hands when they talk and they're standing up. You want to hold the beer, you got to hold something. And I think that's because people genetically haven't actually stood on all on just two legs.

[C]

We're still a young species.

[B]

I think genetically, like, it just feels like it's a little weird.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Deep in your bones, still a little unnatural. Yeah. And I think that's good.

[C]

On all fours.

[B]

And so that led to a question where I was like, when did people start? I guess it led to when did. How long people been wiping their butts?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because obviously we do it differently.

[A]

We ask is there anybody out there who actually knows that or has looked into that or could know that?

[B]

It, it, it seems the answer. It seems to go, if you will, hand in hand. It seems like as soon as people started walking, that's when we developed the bots. The answer.

[A]

Benny wipe in when they started walking.

[B]

Well, Ben. Ben emiled in Ben Heifers. He says Heifetz may not have realized it, but the two questions of when people started walking and when they started wiping resolve each other elegantly. Humans started wiping at the same time they started walking because the transition from quadrupedal to bipedal locomotion made the gluteus maximus, or in other words, the ass became fat when we started walking. Like our butts got huge when we started walking. And without upright walking, there'd be no cheeks and thus no need for wiping. What do you think? Who do you think uses more toilet paper every day? Zendaya or Cal Raleigh? It's about geometry, surface area.

[A]

What the fuck?

[B]

I don't know, but this is what Ben said. And I was like, I just thought that alone was funny.

[C]

Cal Raleigh, AKA Big Dump.

[B]

The Big Dumper.

[C]

Big Cal Raleigh is having an all.

[B]

Time season most home runs in Mariners history.

[A]

So the fatter the ass, the more your wife be.

[B]

Trending that way. I don't think it's the idea, I think, but this. But anyway, more people emailed on this. And it was B. That was basically the idea. It's like being upright is why we actually had to start.

[A]

Wait, what's the Cal Rale Z comparison for it? Unless it means bigger butt, more wiping.

[B]

Yeah, I think that is the idea.

[A]

Also. He's just calling out Zeda is not having a big butt.

[B]

Okay. I know. I thought it was controversial from Ben. Pretty out of line.

[A]

You should have said like, Emmanuel Forbes or something.

[C]

Flat Stanley.

[B]

Flat Stanley.

[A]

Go after Zendaya the Queen.

[B]

Good point.

[C]

So offended.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cal Raleigh, 58 homers. Awesome.

[B]

It's pretty great.

[C]

More than Ken Griffey ever hit, I believe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Wow. I think Griffey's high was 56.

[A]

Big dumper.

[C]

The Big Dump.

[B]

Is that one of the best nicknames ever? How many people have had a better nickname than Big Dumper? Like, you're holding this.

[C]

I mean, you'd have to go back into the early 1900s.

[B]

Big unit. All the Mariners. The Big Unit Unit. The Mariner's best dude. The best two seasons American history are basically a pitcher whose nickname was Big Dick and a hitter whose nickname was Big Ass.

[C]

Randy Johnson's real name was Randy Johnson.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Horny Dick. And his name was the Big Unit. There was a guy that came up in the major. In the. In the. I believe it was in the Mariners minor leagues that was like really tall and they called him the Little Unit, which seems really mean.

[A]

They always used to do that. Like, the big guy would always be like named Pip Squeak or something.

[C]

The Big Unit. God, what a fucking great name.

[A]

Frank Thomas. The Big Hurt.

[C]

The Big Hurt is so good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't get it.

[C]

The Big Hurt.

[B]

Just. Big Hurt. Just hurts.

[A]

Yeah, he's gonna.

[C]

You're gonna inflict pain.

[B]

Okay. Oh, that's cool. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I like that. Yeah. Big Hurt.

[C]

Pain don't hurt.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com other like, maybe the best.

[C]

Some of the all time great nicknames.

[B]

Yeah. I want to know the best nicknames.

[C]

Like what's Tom Brady's one that no one ever uses?

[B]

Tom Terrific. Or some. His name's Tom Brady. People with three syllables don't necessarily need a nickname.

[C]

Isn't if you go to PFR or whatever the Peyton Mannings is the Sheriff, which no one ever once called him that in his life.

[B]

That's like one of those things where if there's like a little documentary about him or saying they don't want to say pit Manning like 500 times, they'll call him the Sheriff once, but, like, that's it.

[A]

I know. I'm trying to think, like, are there any. Who's the best player ever that doesn't have any nickname?

[B]

Ichiro.

[A]

No nickname.

[B]

I can't imagine. I've never heard Ichiro referred to by anything.

[A]

Is there nobody better? I guess.

[B]

I mean, Ichiro's pretty incredible.

[C]

How dare you.

[B]

Would you say Lebron reference Ichiro? Oh, oh, Lebron.

[A]

Is he King James? Like, is that.

[C]

Yeah, that's pretty popular.

[B]

If you say the King, though, people, like, unfortunately know who you're talking. Talking about with in basketball, so. Which I think is kind of the definition of a nickname.

[C]

It's a good question, though, you know, I don't. I don't know the answer to that.

[A]

Did Joe Montana have a nickname? Broad. No, that's Joe.

[C]

That was. Yeah, Joe Namath.

[B]

Montana. It sounds. Joe Montana sounds like a nickname. It sounds fake.

[A]

Joe.

[C]

Joe Cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was trying to remember if they called that Namath Joe Cool. Also they call that Broadway.

[B]

It's Joe. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, wait, didn't we already answer it? It's Tom Brady. Tom Brady doesn't have a nickname.

[B]

Oh, yeah, It's a good point. We literally just said it. Yeah. Tom Brady is not everything.

[C]

Well, he does according to pfr.

[A]

But he does. No, but he does.

[C]

Tom Terrific, I would say is something I've heard.

[B]

We should get. We've talked before. We need to get a player reference. We want to get a nickname on there. They'll put anything on that website for the nicknames.

[C]

The Pharaoh. No one is ever Tom Brady. No one has ever called Tom Brady the fucking Pharaoh.

[B]

Imagine walking up to Brady, be like, pharaoh.

[C]

What up, the Pharaoh.

[A]

What up, the Pharaoh.

[C]

Excuse me. The Pharaoh. Can I get your autograph? These are the nicknames on Pro Football Reference. TB12. Tom Terrific. Touchdown Tom. I guess I've heard those.

[B]

TB12 is like his company.

[C]

So yeah, that's.

[A]

That was like his health diet method.

[B]

That's a book he wrote.

[C]

Goat, which is. That's debatable. We call a lot of people go, no, the Pharaoh Comeback Kid. Or Sir.

[D]

Sir.

[C]

Sir.

[A]

Sir from holes.

[C]

Sir Tom Brady, Mr. Sir from All's.

[A]

What a poll shouts out John Voight. That movie rocks.

[B]

Craig Thomas is a seminal text that people older than us have never heard of. And don't.

[A]

I have seen holes in Red Holes more than I think any other book movie combination.

[B]

Holes is one of the most things to me that I don't think DK's ever heard of.

[C]

Well, that's Too damn bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's the only thing.

[A]

Tired of digging holes, Grandpa.

[B]

Peaches.

[C]

I have no idea what the context is. Digging these holes, though.

[B]

I can fix that.

[A]

That Weaver is an absolute B in that movie.

[B]

So good. So good.

[A]

There's so many people in that movie. Henry Winkler's in that film. Rick Fox is randomly in it.

[B]

Fox.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Patricia Arquette, John Voight, Tim Blake Nelson, Shila Buff. It's a fat cast banger.

[B]

All right, let's get out of here. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you everybody for listening. Reminder, on next week's waiver episode, we're going to put the waivers in the back of the Sunday episode. We won't have a Monday once. We will have Monday ones going forward. After that, we'll be in Dublin. Follow us on Instagram, follow us on YouTube. Follow us on Tick Tock. We're going to be in Dublin. We'll post shenanigans. It'll be. It'll be fun. Have you guys been to Ireland? No, I've not.

[C]

Have.

[B]

None of us, dk. We've never been Ireland. Craig and I. Email us more. Ireland. Rex, thank you for all the recommendations people sent us to Dublin and yeah, thank you, Lord.

[A]

Lord.

[C]

Thank you, Dire Straits.

[A]

Nice. Money for Nothing. Six song Chicks for Free. That song's like one of the all timers.

[C]

One of the great hooks, right? Like. Or whatever you would call that. I don't know what the technical term.

[A]

Yeah, the like, the like riff. Riff. Yeah, it's like the preamble or whatever it's called. Great song. Also Sultans of Swing. Banger. You would know that if you played it an all time.

[B]

I don't know the names of any of these songs off the D. Not gonna lie.

[C]

Their big one. Their big one is Money for nothing.

[A]

Yes. I want my MTV.

[B]

MTV. Aren't they from the 70s?

[C]

No, I think that song was from the 80s.

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Money for nothing in the Chicks for Free. You don't know that. That ain't working. That's the way you do it.

[C]

They re. They released that in 85.

[A]

Money for nothing in the Chicks for Free. There's. It's always. There's like. There's like all these fun 80s references in it. You've got to install microwave oven.

[B]

Is that a joke? Are you serious?

[A]

No, that's in it.

[C]

We got to move these refrigerators.

[A]

Yeah, we've got to move these refrigerators.

[C]

Refrigerators.

[A]

We've got to move these. It's great.

[B]

This is a famous song.

[A]

Huge song.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[C]

Hyphens?

[B]

You never.

[C]

Okay, play the song. You'll recognize it.

[A]

Play Money for Nothing.

[B]

Money for Nothing.

[A]

It'll take a while. It takes like a minute and a half to. Before it really starts.

[C]

Yeah, a classic 80s song where it just. You're waiting for.

[B]

Find other things.

[A]

There's a lot of foreplay.

[C]

Nowadays. We want our sex with no foreplay.

[A]

You know, it's a great song that is literally called foreplay. Long Time is from Boston, which has like a two minute opening kind of instrumental thing before the song starts. And it's great. Yeah, I was a big Boston fan growing up.

[C]

I.

[A]

That was another. I had a cd. I used to just play ping pong in my garage growing up and play my parents CDs on like the stereo in the garage. And it's awesome. Like, it's why I love ABBA and ACDC in Boston because there's just all the CDs lying around.

[C]

Craig still got it with the ping pong too, man. I played you when we were at Spotify offices like a year ago and you whoop my ass and I'm.

[B]

I was. I was humbled. Craig's pretty good at ping pong. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty good. I. I'm listening to the song now. Money for Nothing. I have never heard this song. Or more likely I've probably heard the song, but I have zero. Not even an inkling of. Oh yeah, I remember this. Not even a little.

[C]

God, that blows my mind.

[B]

It's good though. It's got a good riff.

[A]

Dude, wait, quickly.

[C]

It's like one of the most famous guitar riffs of all time.

[A]

Yeah, quickly put on Sultans of Swing because I think like the first five seconds you'll know if you know it or not because that's what the song sounds like. The guitar kind of riff, it's like a real vibey song. You could just throw it on. It's a great driving song.

[B]

Hold, hold, hold on. Hold the phone.

[C]

Oh yeah, I know this song.

[B]

Oh yeah, this gets played all the time.

[A]

Yeah, great song.

[C]

You know this song, but you don't know.

[B]

Yeah, this is. This is welcome to Culture dk. This was definitely used in some television show that like made 30 years after this. People made this sounds like it's like.

[A]

The intro song for True Detective, but it's not.

[B]

Oh yeah, wait, this is definitely in a. It's gonna come to me.

[A]

I think DK this song has the most streams on. On Spotify.

[C]

I just think the money for nothing guitar riff is so iconic, it's hard to believe.

[B]

I gotta find something Swing. What montage it's from.

[A]

Also, Walk of Life is also big. We do the Walk of Life. You know that song?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think Dire Straits is a pretty cool band name.

[A]

So cool. I don't really know a lot about them. They're British, I think. Yeah.

[C]

Formed in 1977.

[A]

We are the sultans of swing.

[B]

Yeah. I gotta tell. I don't know where I know the song from, but yeah, I've heard it. I tried. All right, Well, I got really distracted listening to the song. I should have ended the show like a while ago.

[A]

That's all right. End the show and get right back on there. Toss the cans back on. Can't.

[C]

Oh, that's one of my favorite slangs of all time.

[B]

At it with beaver.

[A]

Easy.

[B]

All right, goodbye, everyone.

[C]

Toss the cans back on.

[B]

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[C]

Your teen adjective used to describe an.

[D]

Individual whose spirit is unyielding, unconstrained, one.

[C]

Who navigates life on their own terms effortlessly. They do not always show up on time, but when they arrive, you notice an individual confident in their contradictions. They know the rules, but behave as if they do not exist.

[D]

New Teen, the new fragrance by Miu.

[A]

Miu defined by you.