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Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Dan Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbecker. We're going over all the players you should add after week 10. Entering week 11. Gonna go over this.
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Man.
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Barn burner of a game.
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Yeah.
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Unbelievable. Packers Eagles gave really the spiritual successor to the Chiefs. Rams 54, 51. You know, that was it's a good.
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Thing most of the people in the country didn't have ESPN today because they didn't need it.
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Honestly, it really if you didn't get to watch this game because of that, you are really lucky. We're also going to Brian Dable, Giants coach fired. But first, we're going to take a quick break. You didn't say the band, Craig. We're still here. We're not taking it back yet.
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No.
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All right.
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Yeah, you're right. We have a great show tonight, everybody. All right. Citizen Cope. Is it Citizen Cope or Citizen.
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Oh, Citizen Kane's the movie.
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Citizen Kane was in my head. We have a great show for you tonight. Citizen Cope is here. So stick around and we'll be right back.
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Funny thing is, Space Jam came out when I was 2, so you'd actually think that movie would be More suited to DK over you and I dk. Have you not seen that movie?
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It wasn't it Michael Jordan? Yeah. Yeah. He was definitely in my era.
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I guess you just asked if it was Michael Jordan.
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So, I mean, I haven't seen the movie Space Jim.
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You never seen Space Jam, the financier?
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No. I knew that. That's why Mike Jordan.
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Yeah.
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This is more important than the game.
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Baseball player. Yeah. I think this was the least fun I've had watching a football game all season. This was terrible. Also going back, I mean, the primetime product over the last month of the NFL has been horrible. Look at the last four Sunday night, Monday night games. They've all been bad. And this was the worst of them all. I was thinking about this earlier. We can get into this a little bit later. But I thought maybe the packers or the Eagles were a team that I could in theory trust heading into this final stretch of the season. You cannot. I thought Jalen Hurts was terrible tonight. The offensive line was awful. Nobody could move the ball. Jordan Love wasn't good either. The. The packers had no wide receivers. They were dropping like flies. I don't think I have. The Eagles defense, I guess looks pretty good. Their corners look good. But man, I did not have a lot of positive things to say on. On the coaching I thought was crazy and bizarre.
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What was that fourth down play at.
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The end of the game?
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By the end, I don't know.
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Is there anything.
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Let's just get into the ending.
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Yeah, geez.
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Let's just get into the ending right now. We can get to bigger takeaways in a second. TK the ending. So just honestly, absolutely bizarre from both sides of the game.
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Right.
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I actually want to go back for two seconds to a moment. The packers really fucked up, which after this whole thing where the Eagles do the tush push and the packers wanted to ban it on the offseason, the NFL wanted to ban it and the packers do it. And it was so funny to me that the game almost ended this way. Under the two minute warning. The packers actually ended up with a fourth and one at midfield to keep their drive going. And instead of doing quarterback sneak, they literally lined up in shotgun and then were stopped. And I was like, you deserve that. What a fucking crazy play. Call Matt LeFleur who lines up in shotgun on 4th and 1. You're insane. So then the packers stop the. The Eagles and they actually hold the Eagles to a. A fourth and sixth at midfield. And it was. I guess I should pull this up to get the exact I think it was like 30.
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It was from the 35 yard, from Green Bay's 35 yard line with 33 seconds left.
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4Th and 6, 35 yard line. So DK tell me if you're following the Eagles call timeout to get the max amount of time off the clock. I then thought they were going to pretend to do a offsides or try to pretend to do the thing, try to get the packers get an offside, get to fourth and one and then either kick a field goal or do the tush push and end the game. And if not, they would take the delay a game and they would punt. Right. And instead the p. The Eagles ran a fourth and six play and then just took a deep shot to A.J. brown.
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Just like he just chucked it up there. A.J. brown looked like he was barely even trying to get to the ball. It was insane.
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AJ Brown, AJ Brown had not been thrown to, I think since like ten minutes into the, the, the game two and a half hours ago. The guy probably had forgot what a football looked like.
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Oh my God. So his, his effort on that play was. It left something to be desired.
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Jackie was watching me. She literally was like, is he even trying? And I was like, not really.
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He's not. We should say. The packers had zero timeouts left. So this situation where if the Eagles punt and you could give them the ball inside their 15, inside their 10 yard line, they'd have to go 40 yards to kick a field, 50 yards to kick a field goal, and instead they throw some deep pass basically into double coverage on 4th and 6.
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DK I thought this was one of the weirder. I thought this was one of the dumber coaching things I've ever seen.
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It felt like they messed up. It felt like they weren't supposed to do that. And then they accidentally snapped the ball and they were like, oh, I guess I'm going to chuck it down there. Like, it felt like one of those types of plays where it was like, oh, the snap is in my stomach. Oh God. And then you have to chuck it up. But it was apparently what they planned to do. And then, you know, obviously AAN and Buck were just like, what are they playing? What are they doing?
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It's the only play I can ever remember where all the analytics nerds were like, the model said to punt by a lot. And I actually think it might be the most. It probably is one of the more aggressive decisions in the history of football because it's not like the first hundred years of football teams were just willy nilly Going for it on 4th and 6 when every single logic of football says punt. It's like totally been role reversal in like the last five years. The fact that everybody was like just.
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Such a low percentage play too, also insane.
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I mean there is probably. It doesn't matter who's the quarterback or the team, you should punt that ball. But it's not as though The Eagles had 42 points in this game and Herz was like, like dicing the packers up. They couldn't throw the ball the whole game.
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Not, you know, else couldn't throw the ball the whole game. The packers. Why would you give the ball to the packers when they only needed to go 20 yards when the packers have seven points and can't move. Pin them inside the the 10 if you can. Or the 20. Also kicking his jump the shark because the fact that this Brandon McManus who the they're like, yeah, groin strain has made two kicks outside the 20. They're like he's going to try the longest kick in the history of Lambo.
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On a cold night, windy night.
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And then he steals the attempt even though they didn't actually run a play.
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And he tries, missed it by like a foot.
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One yard short, 64 yards in the dead of night. This motherfucker kicked it 62 yards.
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Yeah, that would. And probably pulled his groin. And then the actual kick, he couldn't get it off the ground.
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Just been outside. He missed it by a mile.
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Well, yeah, probably because he just hit a 62 yarder with an injury. But I that that kick and I'm sure the winds were swirling in ways I don't understand. The Eagles should have kicked a field goal before they went for it. The Eagles kick a field goal, then the packers have to go down and get a touchdown. I, I thought that was crazy for Nick Sirianni and a good example of what I always thought Dan Campbell does, which people thinks it's all math based and it's like 80% math, 20% like holding your balls, being like fuck you. This episode is brought to you by Ford Blue Cruise. It's not just where you're going, it's how you get there. And Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology helps make the journey more enjoyable. We took it for a test drive so we could experience the convenience for ourselves. So I tested the Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology last month and it was amazing. I was blown away. Like we're just on the highway and you can just hit a blinker and it just changes lanes and you can set how many car lengths ahead you want the truck to be in front of or behind the car like how far you want it from the nearest car. It was amazing. I was. I didn't realize we were there. I felt like I was living the future. So it was. It was absolutely mind blowing. With Ford BlueCruise you arrive at your destination ready to take on whatever comes your way. But don't just take our word for it. Experience the convenience for yourself. Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving for a hands on life available feature on BlueCruise equipped vehicles. Blue Cruise requires a connected services plan and modem activation. BlueCruise Driver Assist features can be activated in hands free blue zones and do not replace safe driving and drivers need to control the vehicle. See Ford.com BlueCruise for more details on available plans and hands free models.
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Which teams and or players and or coaches leave this game looking the worst. If you have to power rank who went who left this game looking the worst. Who's number one?
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I think it's Jordan Love.
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Siri. No, because they won. Well that decision was pretty indefensible but they won. Yeah.
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One of the worst decisions I've ever seen. A whole lot the DK the quarterbacking is the coaches were well the coaches were bad. LaFleur had bad moments in this game but I will say lafleur also schemed some really nice plays and again they lost Romeo dubs Romeo Dobbs during this game and the Tucker crafts out for the season and then you also obviously.
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Matt they were playing Bo Melton who was like a a converted to cornerback.
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Cornerback turn receiver Travis Hunter. You know the second most powerful two way player of the year I guess. But DK I thought Matt LaFleur actually schemed up some really nice plays and in that moment a different Packer screwed it up every time or the Eagles secondary to Craig what Craig said earlier the Eagles secondary great plays during this.
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Quinn Mitchell they knocked down a bunch of would be big plays.
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Quin was really good.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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DK did you feel that Jordan Love or Jalen Hurts was short circuiting at some point on like every drive in this game or was that just me?
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Yeah. Everything felt. You know how this is just an expression I like to use. Sometimes football feels really easy and sometimes it feels really hard for both of these teams. It was just so hard to do literally anything in this game. It felt like even the simplest play was just so difficult for whatever reason. Maybe it was a cold. Maybe it was just you know both defenses were playing Pretty well. But both offenses, man, it just looked like such a grind. Obviously it was 0 to 0 at halftime, 3, 3 to nothing at the end of three quarters. So this, this game set offensive football back a decade maybe. Also the tush push is definitely getting banned after this.
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Oh, the opening drive.
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Another prime time game where the tush push was just egregiously being miss referee or whatever misafficiated.
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I mean, the packers got the ball first and they didn't try a tush push. It was kind of a. Just more of a traditional Q sneak. But the refs missed a false start by Green Bay. Then Green Bay punts it to the Eagles and the Eagles run their own tush push and there was an egregious false start. Like the worst one I've ever seen from Philly. They missed that too.
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I don't.
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Maybe it's a makeup because they didn't call the packers one.
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Honestly, that would actually make more sense to me than that, them missing both those calls. It would make more sense that they missed the first one and they're like, all right, you guys get one.
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I just think everyone's turned on the tush bush at this point. It's over.
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Well, it's one of those even if you want to, like I have defended the tush push for a long time false start thing.
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I feel like pathetic. Once everybody kind of learned about that fact.
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Everyone was, I think the NFL, we've probably talked about this before, but the NFL is going to say this, this rule or this play is no longer. We can't officiate it anymore. It's not. You can't accurately officiate it. That's the, that's going to be the reason they cancel it or whatever.
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They also should just stop lying about the player safety thing and be like, we don't like it, it's ugly. And then just go with that. That'.
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Fine.
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Just, just stop pretending. The overall this game. I mean, again, The packers did 83 yards at half. I, Jordan Love, had one of the dumber looking fumbles you'll ever see. It looked like he was trying to do like a finger roll in a basketball game. Like he was actually trying to do a layup. He threw the ball up. I couldn't believe it. Josh Jacobs quietly kind of turned the entire game on that second last drive where he just did a reg like Madden classic halfback slip screen and he just turned the wrong way for no reason. Like I have no idea why he would run right instead of left in that moment. That was crazy. The packers lost Elton Jenkins in this game. Lane Johnson came back in at right tackle. He was in and out. Saquon could barely go. I thought this game also, in a nutshell, like, was last year's equals versus this year's equals. Saquon last year would have just broken a run at some point and he just couldn't.
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This year he had the one pass, but they couldn't run the ball. I mean, both teams really couldn't. They were basically just running for like three and a half yards every single time they hand the ball off the entire game. I don't know. This game was offensive in so many ways.
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And no, it was not offensive.
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Hey, yeah, the Eagles, dude, I know they won the game. I don't know why I'm more upset with them than I am.
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Because AJ Brown is effort sucked.
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That was to win the game with a walk off touchdown. And he like couldn't be bothered, just like threw.
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He just like, I'll stick one hand out, see what happens.
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You know what though? Like, I don't care. I'm team AJ Brown and all this. This is absurd.
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What?
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Like they don't throw him the ball. I mean, like there was the touchdown to Devonte Smith. You saw A.J. brown running like some deep cross pattern. He's like half running because he knows he's not getting the ball like it. And when it does, it's like all his targets are fake. Half of the targets that you see, it's like, oh, he actually has a half of them are like 10ft over his head. With Jalen hurts throwing out of bounds and it's technically A target to A.J.
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Brown.
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That's this game just when Eagles fans get so mad at us. Like sometimes I'm like, oh, I don't trust Jalen hurts in big games or whatever. And people are like, what are you talking about? Went to four college football playoffs and he. All he does is when he's been.
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Sorry, boys, he.
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This game. The throat of Grant Calcatera over the middle was the perfect example. Perfect pocket, zero pressure, wide the open, like any camera angle. You want to look at Grand Cal, like not the easiest throw a quarterback has, but one of the easier throws a quarterback has. Like, perfect. And he just sailed it five or ten yards over this guy's head. And like literal a throw that a quarterback should make 50 times out of 50.
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I just. They're such a safe team for how talented they are. There was a third and 12 when they got their first field goal. The first points in the game, it was a third and 12. They were in Green Bay territory. Third and 12.
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Just ran it.
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It might as well have been third and 28. They handed it off to Will Shipley, their third string running back. I'm like, it's third and 12. You have Jalen Hurts. You have a Super Bowl MVP.
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The one on fourth down on their own 20, right?
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Yeah. No, sorry.
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In the red zone.
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Yes, it was in the red zone or close to it. It's third and 12. They give it to Will Shipley. I'm like, what are we doing?
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I wrote that down too. I'm like, jalen Hurts is maybe the only Super Bowl MVP I've ever seen that is not trusted to take a snap on third and 12. And it's not even like they needed a closer field goal there. Like, that was just. I.
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It.
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It really feels sometimes watching this Eagles team like it felt watching Jalen hurts in like 20, 21 where they were like. The most important thing is that he doesn't make a mistake. And it almost is like the Eagles offense almost runs like the last three years haven't happened. He hasn't been to a Super Bowl. He hasn't done any of this stuff because he plays like. I keep hearing all these stories. You talk to Peyton Manning, he talked to Michael Jordan, he talked to all these people in the off season. What do I do? And it really seems like it's almost like everybody told him, just don't turn the ball over. And that's all he knows is like no picks, no fumbles and will win. And they kind of are winning. But it's.
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He did have a fumble in this game.
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That was a great play though. That was a peanut punch. Jordan loves fumble was ridiculous. That was a great fumb. Peanut punch.
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That's like that fumble on Jalen Hurts. That was like the one time he hasn't slid this this year. And of course he fumbled the ball. I mean, there's a fine line between Jackson dart where you just lower your head into every single defender no matter what. But I. There are moments where I would like to see Jaylen Herzl lower his shoulder once or twice or like pick up speed around the corner. He's a little bit like Derek Carr running the ball where it's like he is just sliding at the first opportunity he gets as a rusher. And it's. It's a little bit of an ick to me.
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And what's funny, and also hurts when he tries to throw in the run. He looks so unathletic it's so funny. Like he's. I feel like he's the most risk averse player who's like truly accomplished things I've ever seen. And then when he tries to do stuff, it's at such strange times. Like the one time he tries to throw across his body over the middle, it was like the dumbest time to do it. I don't know how he pulled it off. Yeah, I don't know. It's so strange.
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A.J. brown.
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But then Jordan loves the opposite. He can make every throw from every angle and he has no idea what the fuck is happening on anything.
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I feel bad. We're on the Eagles. Even though they won the game, Jordan love is.
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They deserve it. They should have lost. If the packers went two yards further, they would have made a 62 yard field goal. We'll lose.
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Packers were terrible too. I mean nobody. Jordan Love still makes just completely inexplicable throws. Some inexplicable throws sometimes. Like the whole thing was terrible.
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I can't wait, I can't wait to find someone on Twitter who's like, this is real football. This is what it's all about.
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Eagles fans will be mad. This secondary was great. Jaylen Phillips was great. The Eagles defense looked better than it's been. All right.
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It's bored out of my mind.
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I quickly want to I talk about one thing, what this week told me after watching the game last night, watching the game tonight, I've actually decided that I think there are only two teams in the NFL that I trust and they don't really make sense. I genuinely think there are just two. And I think it's a team with four losses, which is the Chiefs, who I trust, and I think it's the Los Angeles Rams, who I trust. That's it. And I knew you'd be like the Seahawks and the Pats are maybes for me. Just because you have Drake May, who's super young and Sam Darnold, who, like, I don't know, in the playoffs. But I think if you look at every the Eagles, the Packers, I don't trust the Lions this year. You can look at the leaders of every division. The AFC North, I don't trust anybody. The NFC South, I don't trust anybody. The AFC South, I don't trust anybody. I don't trust the Colts, I'm not trusting Daniel Jones and crunch time. Like I truly don't trust any teams in the NFL this year, except I think two. And it's Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford and I Think I'll just pick those two teams to make the Super Bowl.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't even, like, disagree with any of that. I think I maybe trust the Lions a little bit, but, I mean, they've had some weird losses this year, so I probably shouldn't. But. Yeah, I mean, top to bottom, I agree with you Patriots. I don't trust them. I think they're exciting and good, and they haven't really.
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I mean, they beat the Bills in the. In the bucks recently, but they've had an easy schedule, and it's like, look, I don't. I don't know what Drake May is yet in the playoffs, and I kind of need to see that. So I can't label them as a trust. I believe they're good, but I don't know if I can say I trust them.
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Don't trust the Colts. Don't trust the Broncos. Hell, no. Don't trust the Eagles. Yeah, it's a good point. It's a good. It's a good take. And I think this is, like, why it's such a wide open field this year. Like, anybody could win the Super Bowl.
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I think we're in for one of the better NFL playoffs in a while.
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Yeah.
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Lions, Eagles next week, and Ram Seahawks next week is just a massive, massive recalibration of the nfc. And I really do stand by what I said yesterday. I think the NFC is so much better than the afc, and I think the Chiefs are probably the best team. And then I think the next five good teams are the nfc.
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Third place in their own division.
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I love it.
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I also, once again, just psa. It's Game of Thrones, you know, it's like if. If you think this has a happy ending, you're not paying attention. We're getting Chief equals again.
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No, we're not.
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No, we're getting Chief sequels.
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No.
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Oh, I should say right now, the. The top two super bowl odds. Chiefs, Rams.
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There you go.
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You see? That would be great. That would be great for content, for all of us. We would.
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All.
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That would be thrilling.
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Number three nods, though. Philadelphia Eagles. Heifetz.
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We can get to waivers in a moment. First, I. Brian D. Fired.
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You did this? Hes. You got him fired for your rant.
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They saw that rant this morning and they fired him.
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I have no sense of how much you guys care about this, so you just have to. You just have to ask me questions, and we can just move on if you're not interested.
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How do you feel?
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You just. You just did this all last night though, like you basically made the entire case for why he should be fired.
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I blacked out. I don't remember anything so I will just say so Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator who he is going to be the assistant head. Well he was the assistant head coach. Now he's head coach interim. And then Joe Shane, the GM who came with D from the Bills is going to stay. What do you guys think? Dpk what do you think of Joe Shane staying? Before I say anything, what do you think of D them coming in together. D being fired even though D wanted dart and I don't know if Joshin.
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Did and the Joshin staying, I think they should clean house. They should have a coach and a GM come in together. So like whether that means the GM has all the ultimate decision making or the coach does and then he chooses the gm. I think they need to like start from scratch. I hate, I hate when teams do this like piecemeal firing of different guys in order to try and make it all work together. I understand that like firing everybody can kind of set you apart, set you back. But they've gone 2 and 8 the last three years. Like how much further can you be set back? Why don't you just clean the slate right now?
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Well, would you say Joe Shane has done a bad job drafting and trading? I feel like he's actually done a decent job.
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A lot of really he's had a. He's had a lot of misses, he's had a lot of hits. He's also had a lot of really high draft picks. So I don't know.
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That's a bingo bing. The. The things Joe Shane gets blamed for are Saquon and Daniel Jones. The Saquon leaving and Daniel Jones staying and I don't think either defensible Joe Shane's fault. Like yeah Saquon going to the Eagles and what happened happened.
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Would you rather have Daniel Jones right now or Jackson Dart?
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I think you'd rather quarterback thing worked out but also Joe Shane was the one who wanted to give Daniel Jones the contract. I'm convinced of that. I also am convinced that if the Giants had signed Saquon Barkley and won four games everyone would have made fun of them for keeping Saquon. So I don't think the problem with Joe Shane as the GM is just like again Abdul Cardi I get any credit for that. Brian D really wanted Jackson dart so this year's class is out. Malik neighbors you the sixth pick and it.
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I'm just saying he still Took Jackson Dart. He traded up for him. You got to give him something.
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He, he did it.
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The like, I know Day Ball pushed for it, but like he agreed to it. I just say you can't give him no clue.
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A
So it makes it. This is what makes it so hard to.
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B
I think there are literal videos in the draft room of Joe giving his opinion. And he's like, if you've made your evaluations and this is the guy you want, then we could like it. It's the most hemming and hawing shit I've ever seen from a general manager taking quarterback. I'm just saying Dart. D wanted Dart and he was right. But my point is like neighbors 6 pick. Do you get any credit for that? Like, that was a fucking murderous row. And that's the sixth pick. Like anyone, you get killed if you.
- [23:24]
C
Take the wrong pick, but you don't get credit if you take the right sometimes.
- [23:29]
B
Okay, the Colts get credit for taking Andrew Luck. I'm just saying, like the other stuff, like Evan Neal was at the, like the seventh overall pick was a literal, like, unplayable whiff. There's like Deontay Banks. They took over Joey Porter. It was just an absolute fucking whiff. Like, like you go, Wando Robinson was the 43rd pick in the draft, which is kind of wild. Like he's a good player, but like Wanda Robinson probably would have been there around later.
- [23:53]
C
I don't know why I'm defending him, by the way, but I just, I am. I don't know why.
- [23:58]
A
It's tough. I think it's tough to evaluate any GM because at the end of the day, like 99% of GMs are all the same in terms of just like over a long enough time period, you're all going to have some horrendous misses and some great picks.
- [24:11]
B
And the, the, the Brian D. Thing though, and I, I think Brian Dable's Joe Shane will have time to talk about the D thing. I want to say it's part of me is a little. I feel a little bad because I remember the early days and I just remember the first game D coach where he went for two. And I really do think it's, it's the, it's the story over time of Brian D. Starting out like coaching smart and he ended coaching scared. Like he started out going for two under two minutes to like win in regulation. And it's like, we will win or lose in this conversion. We're not going overtime. And he ended kicking a field goal from the half yard. Line on 4th and like inches because he wanted to like take the points and like you left the four points there.
- [24:48]
A
He was afraid of looking bad.
- [24:49]
B
Yeah, he was afraid of looking dumb. And guess what? They lost the game by four points and so he went out. But I, I mean all the, the losing, I just, I don't, I don't think I had the things in front of me, but I actually wanted to just pull some of the Giants numbers under Dable because it's just unbelievable. As DK said, 2 and 8 for the third year in a row, which that alone is unbelievable to me.
- [25:05]
A
You said that last night. I don't, I wonder if anyone's ever done that.
- [25:09]
B
Probably not, right? Oh, the blown lead stuff. We don't need to go over it again. But you know the Denver one, you guys know, I mean that was one.
- [25:18]
A
Of the most horrific losses of all time. So. Yeah.
- [25:21]
B
Oh, and for on the road, Owen, four on the. They have blown four different 10 point leads this season. Which not only is that the most this year would be the most among the last two seasons combined. And they did it in half a season. They've blown two four 10 point leads this year.
- [25:36]
A
That and his management of Dart. So are the reasons he's gone.
- [25:41]
B
Yeah, the, the Dart thing, yeah. I had all these other losing stats, but the dart, the Dart thing is the problem. Like I could go on and on about the losing.
- [25:48]
A
I want to just protect your quarterback, man.
- [25:50]
B
The, the fact that Dart went back onto the field after he was basically knocked out is to me the, the, the shortest answer of why he was fired. Like literally Brian D. Just cared more about his short term job security than Jackson Dart's long term health. And when you're. The season's already over, like there is no now the win now there's no win now. The idea that you would also jeopardize the future is just so fucking infuriating.
- [26:14]
C
Once day ball busted into the blue tent, I was like this man's tilting. I don't know.
- [26:19]
B
Yeah. All year.
- [26:22]
A
Yeah.
- [26:22]
C
It's going to be tough for him to, to break up with Dart. You know he's still going to be texting him, calling him.
- [26:29]
B
I think that it is traumatic for him.
- [26:31]
C
It's going to be tough. Breakups are hard.
- [26:33]
B
It's funny because Joe Brady for the Bills, the offensive coordinator is probably getting headed coaching job somewhere and then Brad Table will probably just go back to Buffalo and just be the Bill.
- [26:41]
A
If right now, if you had to choose among the different coaches that are rumored to Be in the running, who would you go for?
- [26:47]
C
I was going to bring this up, don't you think? He said this year, this offseason, at least right now seems like it's a little bit less sexy than like last year. You had Ben Johnson, you had Liam Cohen, you had Mike Table and now I'm like is Cliff Kingsbury going to get a job like Clint Kubiak? Like you're probably going to want to bring in an offensive minded guy, right?
- [27:05]
B
I definitely, I. So are you going to bring in.
- [27:09]
C
Joe Brady from the Bills? You're going to pick another guy in from the Bills?
- [27:11]
B
No, I think Clint Kubiak would be great. I think, I think he's the last of the Shanahan McVey tree that I actually would give a shot. I. We keep joking with the two weeks he added the Saints, but obviously I think it's what he's done with the Seattle so far.
- [27:22]
A
He's. He's starting to yeah solidify his awesomeness.
- [27:27]
B
But pretty impressive what he has done with an offensive line that was unworkable last year and now they're just like Darnold's on early down pass.
- [27:33]
C
I mean he's only been calling plays for like one and a half seasons.
- [27:36]
B
Yeah, like you know what, honestly he's, he's the Nep. When the Nepo babies are good, it's usually like it works like his father helped invent Mike Shanahan, invent the zone running scheme and like when Nepo babies are good, they're usually just good.
- [27:50]
A
Did he call? He didn't call plays ever before that. I mean when he's on the nine passing game coordinator.
- [27:55]
B
Yeah, he was offensive 38, he's old enough. It's thing. You never know. You got to interview these guys. You want honestly the thing that's hard. You want the most detail oriented possible people. Which is obvious to say. But the like when the Eagles hired andy Reid in 1999, he'd never been a coordinator, he was just a quarterbacks coach. He showed up with se. He showed up with binders that just laid out his entire practice schedule for the next two years like to the minute. So you can ask him what's your practice schedule on August 6 next year? And he had the answer but he had the why like wasn't bullshit. Like he's like the 41st minute of like we're doing all this and it's all scheduled because like the install over two year period with the roster, like he had it all and that's the level of Insanity. You need to run a team well. But that, like, that's so I would like the most detail oriented person who shows up. Is that Cliff Kingsbury? Probably not, but he's learned stuff in Washington. I will throw out. I think the Giants could throw a first round pick to Sean Payton and to the Broncos for Sean Payton. I think that's not impossible.
- [28:47]
A
All right.
- [28:48]
B
I think the Broncos, there's weird stuff going on there under the hood and I. Sean Peyton. There might be a Peyton people the wrong way.
- [28:58]
C
Really?
- [28:59]
B
I think it's possible.
- [28:59]
C
Why? What's going on?
- [29:01]
B
I think it's, I think the vibes are.
- [29:03]
C
Why? What do you mean? They're 7 and 2. Why are the vibes bad?
- [29:07]
B
I think, I think the vibes are strange.
- [29:08]
A
They're eight and two, Craig. Eight and two.
- [29:10]
C
Sorry.
- [29:10]
B
Boom.
- [29:12]
C
His beloved Bo Nicks, like, what's going on?
- [29:14]
A
I think he's ready to break up with Bo Nix already.
- [29:17]
B
I think there's weird stuff going on.
- [29:19]
A
He's like, ah, fuck this guy.
- [29:22]
B
He's getting a wandering eye to Jackson's art.
- [29:26]
A
I could see it.
- [29:26]
C
How long is he on like a 10 year contract with Denver? How many years did he sign with for?
- [29:30]
B
That's what the trade's for.
- [29:31]
C
No, I know, that's what I'm saying. How, but like, how many more years does he have under Dent?
- [29:35]
B
Probably a couple at least. Yeah, but yeah. Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin.
- [29:40]
C
You want Mike Tomlin?
- [29:41]
B
Would you, would you, would you give us Mike Donlin?
- [29:44]
C
For what?
- [29:45]
B
I'll give you a first show pick.
- [29:48]
C
No, I want two.
- [29:49]
A
Need two.
- [29:49]
B
Fuck that. You called me.
- [29:55]
C
Nah, I don't think so. I want two though. Two. And you got them.
- [30:00]
B
She'll throw out to me three first for Kyle Shanahan. And I was like, yeah, done.
- [30:04]
A
Of course. I would do that in a heartbeat.
- [30:07]
B
Overall, I, we, I, I know we've spent a lot of time on Dable now. I just, I, I, they just, they lost a lot of games, man. Like they literally had the worst winning, like the last three years. They have the worst winning percentage in the NFL other than the Titans. They have been blown out the last four years by like 10 double digit losses, more than any team except the Panthers.
- [30:25]
A
I think I saw somebody post this on Twitter the other day that the, the Giants and the jets, the two New York teams haven't won on the Same day since 2022. I didn't check it, but it sounds right.
- [30:37]
B
Track, I mean that just tracks. Yeah, they have the worst records in the NFL last like 10 years.
- [30:43]
A
It's just funny.
- [30:44]
B
Anyway, I. You guys have heard me talk about this a lot, but.
- [30:48]
A
Well, sorry and congrats. Hopefully something good comes from this.
- [30:52]
C
Well, who's the worst hire you guys could bring in?
- [30:55]
B
Jason Garrett.
- [30:57]
A
Oh, Lord.
- [30:58]
B
I would actually stop rooting for the team. I would. I would stop the team if they hired.
- [31:02]
A
Do you think there's any world in which it's like a hire like that?
- [31:05]
B
He knows them. I, I still think that is my overall summary of the, of the, of the Giants issues. And I, I know I had my D rant last then. If you're listening to this and you want. Part of me feels bad because maybe people tuned in to listen to my Brian D. Rant and I guess I'm like out of steam right now, but, like, because I did it last night.
- [31:19]
C
But yeah, like literally less than 24 hours ago, you did it, so.
- [31:23]
B
But the thing I left out is the Giant's core problem is still that someone in that building hired Jason Garrett and they still work there. They still own the team.
- [31:35]
A
Ah, yeah, that would be. That would be brutal. Anyway, you could be a Seahawks fan if you want.
- [31:41]
B
No, I don't think I can.
- [31:42]
A
Okay.
- [31:43]
B
Okay. You guys want to just do waivers?
- [31:45]
A
Let's do it.
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B
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A
I'm going with Blake Corum for the Rams, who is now basically just alternating drives with Kyron Williams. So he's playing a whole lot more over the last. So let's last game he played 37% of the snaps. He had almost half of the rushes. He ran a few routes, finished with 13 carries for 56 yards. He's had 13 touches in each of the last three weeks. He hasn't found the end zone and he hasn't really popped in the scoreboard. But 13 touches in three straight games is pretty solid on a very good offense. And add into that, I think he just has to be rostered because if Kyron Williams ever went down, he is a league winner. So I'm going with Blake Corum. I think he should be on rosters because of that. If you need to play someone this week, absolutely desperate, maybe Blake Corum wouldn't be the pick, but he would be. I think he's my number one pick just because of the implications down the, down the stretch the rest of the season and his role as like the handcuff to Kyron Williams.
- [34:37]
C
Yeah, I think there's this kind of, there's this tier of elite handcuffs that are starting to creep themselves onto the field more where you could actually maybe consider getting them, playing them as a flex. Like I think there's a tier of kind of plate. Blake Corum and Tyler Algier to me are kind of in that top tier. I agree with DK that I think Eileen, Blake Corum, if anything happens to Kyron Williams, he's a league winner and like you said, 12 carries. 13 carries. 13 carries last two weeks or last three weeks. They're playing Seattle this week, so that may be a little bit harder. You could go with somebody else but Tyler Algier because of the goal line work. And the only issue is they basically play him when this is. Sorry not the issue. The upside for Tyler Algeria is they. They play him more when they win. And the next three games for Atlanta are Carolina, New Orleans, and the Jets. So if Blake Corum is not there, like, I think Tyler Algier is a totally viable pick because I do think the next three weeks he's going to get a lot of run. It does get harder after that in fantasy playoffs, and maybe that's the Blake Corum time, but I think it's between those two.
- [35:38]
A
But I guess it depends on what you need.
- [35:40]
C
Yes.
- [35:40]
B
Yeah, I'll take Blake Corum, too. But I agree with what Craig's saying and what you're saying, dk, that overall at this point of the year, honestly, there's like a running back. You want eight points here, 12 points here, whatever. You might as well get a guy who can get you a touchdown or not like 10 points or whatever in your flex, but if there's an injury ahead of them, it's just like a top 15 running back. And that's Blake Corn for the Rams. That's Tyler Algeria on the Falcons. That is, I guess, Tank Bigsby in the Eagles. Even the Eagles didn't look great tonight. And Lane Johnson's hurt, but that's Sean, you know, Brian Robinson.
- [36:11]
A
Brian Robinson's another good one. He should probably be rostered, even if you, like, don't need to start him this week. He should be on your roster.
- [36:18]
B
Just get guys that are going to rotate in. But if there's an injury or just elite. And, like, because honestly, you're playing to either make the playoffs or win, and it's unlikely, but sometimes you need random to go your way. Like, sometimes that's just what happens. So that's that. Those guys are in their own class. So I'll start with Blake Corum.
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C
All right, let's do Corum.
- [36:37]
A
Then.
- [36:37]
C
It is the Blake Coram showdown time.
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B
Okay.
- [36:47]
A
Love the Gong.
- [36:49]
B
This trivia question is from Adam A. So, Craig, I don't remember what episode this was, but you're talking about Frankie Valley.
- [36:56]
C
Sure. That was the most recent episode we did.
- [36:57]
A
It was yesterday. Yeah.
- [36:58]
B
And it's been a long day. And you. I still barely know who Frankie Valli is, but he. I guess he's 91 and he still plays. Technically.
- [37:07]
A
Wow.
- [37:08]
C
Yeah.
- [37:08]
B
He's there.
- [37:09]
A
They wheel him out there.
- [37:10]
C
The song do play. Yeah.
- [37:12]
B
You said you thought he's. The songs do play. You said you thought he was the oldest musician or the oldest person who performs.
- [37:18]
A
Yeah.
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B
A lot of people demo this in.
- [37:20]
C
Yeah. Okay.
- [37:21]
A
Got it.
- [37:22]
B
A Bone. Yeah. Willie Nelson is 92 and still. Oh, what?
- [37:27]
A
Wow.
- [37:29]
B
And still touring.
- [37:30]
C
God, that's a great one.
- [37:31]
A
I went to a Willie Nelson concert back in the day.
- [37:33]
B
A lot of people emailed him about Willie Nelson. A lot of people said they went to Willie Nelson's. Oh, I forgot the name of the tour that he's on right now. But a lot of people said he was like, good at it. Like he had energy like this. Like he was with it.
- [37:44]
C
Marijuana, man. Miracle drug.
- [37:46]
B
So he has a one last tour lot, One last ride tour next year. Anyway, also, Adam said that Willie Nelson obviously was incessantly smoking weed until he quit this year. He said he still vapes and eats. Did Willie Nelson stop smoking weed this year?
- [38:01]
C
He stopped at 92.
- [38:02]
A
I have lung. He has lung issues. I wonder why.
- [38:08]
C
What do you mean? I mean, if he's made it 92.
- [38:10]
A
Years, it's pretty fucking good. Just like inevitable.
- [38:17]
B
So anyway, a Bone's question is, in what year did Willie Nelson infamously smoke a joint on the roof of the White House?
- [38:24]
A
Wow. Oh, that's a great question.
- [38:27]
B
I know. I love that. I actually have never heard love that.
- [38:30]
A
Love where you're going with that.
- [38:32]
B
I assume this is true because obviously if I'd fact checked it, I would have learned the answer.
- [38:35]
C
So wait, what was what year?
- [38:37]
B
What year did Willie Nelson infamously smoke and join the roof the White House, which cemented him as a legendary weed smoker?
- [38:47]
A
This is, this is interesting because you have to, I don't want to give anything away.
- [38:51]
B
Come to think of it, you got.
- [38:52]
A
To think about who was president at the time.
- [38:54]
C
Exactly. Also, like.
- [38:58]
B
Like, wait, Good point.
- [39:01]
C
Can you read the question again in, in full?
- [39:03]
B
What year did Willie Nelson famously smoke a joint on the roof of the White House? Probably wasn't the roof of the East Wing, like recently probably, right?
- [39:10]
C
Probably not. There was no sentence after that question. There was no like follow up sentence.
- [39:14]
B
It said, cementing him as one of America's most famous weed smokers.
- [39:19]
A
All right, I got, But I don't.
- [39:20]
B
Know if that's like an opinion or not.
- [39:22]
A
I don't know.
- [39:22]
C
I was gonna say.
- [39:23]
B
I, I, I, I don't know if that's a bone, like just kind of throwing it in or as part of the answer.
- [39:27]
C
Because, like the sentiment around weed has changed so much.
- [39:29]
A
I know, I'm like, he can't threw.
- [39:31]
B
Me off, like, being like, who's president now?
- [39:33]
A
I'm kind of.
- [39:33]
C
I know. I'm like, was this like in 2012?
- [39:35]
A
That's what I was thinking, I don't know.
- [39:38]
C
It's like Obama, I don't know.
- [39:39]
A
Oh, yeah, it's. It's. Yeah, it's tough. All right. I got an answer in my head, and I have no idea if it's right.
- [39:48]
B
All right. Three, two, one.
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A
19.
- [39:50]
C
89.
- [39:51]
B
69.
- [39:52]
A
Craig said 69. I said 80.
- [39:54]
B
I said 93. I was thinking Bill Clinton would.
- [39:57]
A
I mean.
- [39:57]
C
Yeah, I just went like, full Woodstock hippie movement.
- [40:00]
B
I think probably.
- [40:01]
A
I think it's very possible it was during Obama.
- [40:04]
B
The fact that we've never heard of this.
- [40:06]
C
Well, the sentence cementing him as a weed smoker. I'm like, all right, that wasn't 2012.
- [40:10]
B
Probably right. Good point. The answer is 78.
- [40:18]
A
Ooh.
- [40:19]
C
Oh, I don't get it.
- [40:20]
A
I think, right?
- [40:20]
C
What did you say? DK?
- [40:21]
A
I said 80.
- [40:22]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [40:22]
C
Okay.
- [40:23]
A
Jimmy Carter.
- [40:26]
C
Damn it. 78.
- [40:29]
A
I don't have any memory. Like, I don't. I did not know that he did that.
- [40:32]
B
I said 93.
- [40:36]
C
Okay. Interesting.
- [40:37]
A
Okay, so I'll take Corum.
- [40:38]
C
I'll take Algiers.
- [40:40]
B
Oh, so I actually have to do a little work here. Okay. I would probably take. Damn, that's harder. I will say, if I actually needed to win this week, I would take Sean Tucker for the Bucks. Yeah, he's available. Just because the play. The Bucks are gonna play the Bills, I don't think Bucky Irvin's gonna play this week. Like, Sean Tucker's playing more obviously. The Patriots have allowed, like, the fewest rushing yards, I think, of any team all year. They barely allowed a 50 yard rusher all season.
- [41:07]
C
So Tucker looks better than Rashad White.
- [41:09]
B
He does look better. And now that the. The Bucks are going to play the Bills. The Bills just allowed a bajillion yards to Devon H. And obviously different running styles. But, like, the Bills can't stop the run, especially the perimeter. So if I needed to win this week, if you're like 4 and 6 and you're like, I need to just make the playoffs, I would play Sean.
- [41:23]
A
I like the Tucker one. Yeah.
- [41:24]
B
Also because Bucky Irving, like, Sean Tucker might have staying power all year. If you want what we were talking about before. If I just want a guy who can maybe get me eight points but, like, has the crazy upside, I would probably just do Tank Bigsby or Brian Robbins. Take Bigsby on the Eagles is behind Saquon or Brian Robinson, who's buying McCaffrey just because I. Yeah, those. Those are the guys. The other person I want to shout out is the. Not shout out, but mention is that I think J.K. dobbins is more hurt than it's letting on because it was Thursday and I just. There's not really an update on that. But I kind of think J.K. dobbins for the Broncos is hurt and R.J. harvey is the classic. Like he'll get more work and then he kind of won't.
- [42:00]
A
So if you're in a Tyler Bidet.
- [42:02]
B
No, I think, I think bidet is there for special teams. I think Jalil McLaughlin who's like was inactive last week. If J.K. dobbins can't play, I think McLaughlin might lead the team. He carries even though he was inactive. Unless Sean Payton actually does classic thing. Yeah, I'm not saying you should play Jaleel McLaughlin, but if you're in a 14 team league or you listen to these and you're like, none of these guys are available. I promise you Jaleel McLaughlin's available. So like that. That's a guy with playing time in week 11. That actually could save you.
- [42:27]
A
Tajie Spears is another guy that's out there. He's like playing more than Pollard or right around the same amount as Pollard. He's had 10, 12, nine and nine opportunities the last four games. There's a low, low ceiling. But if you're desperate, him and also.
- [42:43]
B
The Washington guys like Chris Rodriguez and like I'm like, these teams suck. I don't want any part of them. The Cardinals, Mario DeMarcado or Michael Carter. We don't have an update on like what happened to Bam night's ankle quite. We don't know exactly. But DeMarcado, if he's available, is fine. Michael Carter's fine.
- [42:56]
A
Stash my boy Keaton Mitchell.
- [42:58]
B
Yeah. Keith Mitchell, actually. Yeah, it's tough. Cause you know what the Ravens would do if Derek Henry got hurt? Like it'd be Justice Hill and Keith Mitchell, but he's really good. But yeah, those are deeper cuts. But yeah, okay. Receivers. I feel like Alec Pierce for the Colts would be our answer, but the cults are on by. So he's like a totally reasonable person to have that. You want receivers for later?
- [43:18]
A
If he's out there, you got to get him.
- [43:19]
C
Not just reasonable. Alec Pierce leads the NFL in receiving yards over the last four weeks.
- [43:24]
B
So then you're gonna be available. You probably should.
- [43:26]
A
Yeah, just pick him up regardless.
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B
But DK, who is your number one receiver for week 11?
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Let's see here. I'm going to go with Parker Washington, I believe for the Jags. He's 41% rostered in Yahoo. This last week, he scored two touchdowns, one on a punt return. I just think he's a good player. He seems to be having a lot better chemistry with Trevor Lawrence than any other fucking receivers on the Jags right now. And they also have. They have the Chargers, Cardinals and Titans next. So I'm like, I'm starting Parker Washington. If I, if he's on my team, I think he's going to get. He's going to lead the team in target rate. He had a 30% target rate in this last game. Going back it's 21, 27 and then 29. So yeah, Parker Washington, I think is where I go with this one.
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I'm between him and I kind of want to get cute and say Christian Watson, who just played and didn't really do a whole lot, but Romeo Dobbs left with a chest injury.
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A
That's a good one.
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Super beat up at the wide receiver position. They're playing the Giants next week.
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A
I like that.
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C
I don't know.
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B
Watson also. I can't remember the last guy who came back from an injury, like an acl, like a real injury, and just immediately looked like the only way a team could get an explosive play.
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I mean, like, he's like flying down the field, still looks super athletic and fast. Like he recovered really quick. He got injured late in the year.
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B
Last year and he really. The Packers, I feel like he's the only. Like he's the only way they can get like 25 yards now than Tucker Crafts. I agree with Craig, actually. I think that Dobbs injury on top of golden being hurt and doing nothing this year.
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A
When does golden come back, do you think?
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It doesn't matter. Like at this point he's a field stretcher. Like Watson has came in and just like seamlessly replaced whatever golden was supposed to do. I think any hope I had for golden being more important down the stretch was Watson not recovering so quickly. So I, I will go with Watson.
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A
But so we'll say Pierce, Pierce if he's out there. But let's do Watson showdown time.
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C
All righty. It is the Christian Watson showdown time. Bang, bang.
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Ping, bing, bing, bop, bam. Okay. It's from Aaron.
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A
Aaron like a bone or e bone? Aaron a right Avon. Okay.
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B
Forgot to have an accent.
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A
There's two ways to spell it.
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B
Do you know Mallory? In a couple weeks ago, Mallory told me, she's like, I think you're getting a mid Atlantic accent. And it actually really. With my head, I was like, I don't feel that way she's like. It sounds like that.
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A
Like, what did she think? You have a New York accent before. Yeah. And then now it's just more like, I don't know.
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B
But she's from Baltimore, so she just knows, Okay? I live in dc.
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A
She would know.
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You freaked me out anyway.
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A
Well, you've lived there for a while now.
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I know.
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A
When in Rome.
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So. Aaron says, I work for a chemical analysis company. We use instruments that break down liquid solutions with a plasma source at a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun. So my question is, what is the temperature of the surface of the sun?
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A
Fucking A, Aaron. How do they get it hotter than the surface of the sun?
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That's what I was wondering.
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How do they know?
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Shit's wild.
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I don't know.
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A
They went there, they checked with what? Don't worry about it.
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C
Really strong thermometer.
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B
It's a neat thermometer.
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A
It's like an anal thermometer.
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C
Stick it in there, jam it into the sun. This might be the most embarrassing answer I've ever given. No, I have no idea who the knows this stuff. I kind of feel like I'm either. It's. It's not gonna be. It's either gonna be way too low or way too high.
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B
That's usually how guesses work.
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Well, but like, the surface of the sun, I'm. I'm in. In the vicinity.
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A
Okay, wait. I don't know. Oh.
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C
How hot was fire?
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It was hot.
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1500.
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It was like. Yeah. 2000 degrees.
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All right. 3, 2, 1. A million 100,000 degrees. Those were the three numbers I was thinking of. You see? 100,000. And you said 500,000.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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That's a million. Those were the three numbers.
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I feel like it sets too low.
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A
I wanted to. I wanted to guess a million. And then for some reason I said 500,000.
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C
It's.
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Motherfucker sent it to us in Kelvin. Oh, and Fahrenheit. Okay. Oh, my God. We're way off. It's 10,000 degrees.
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So Craig won. We went the other way with it. We overcompensated for saying 200 last time.
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B
You didn't say 200.
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Craig and I.
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B
Anyway, I guess I thought the sun was a million degrees. All right?
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For the record, I did.
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You thought the sun was a million degrees, idiot.
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Or bonita fish. Big.
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C
You were more off about that than I was about fire things. Think about that.
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A
Yeah. Also, we were guessing a cigar, not fire.
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C
True. The tip of a cigar threw me off.
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Fire of the cigar.
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A
We didn't think it Was fire. We. I didn't know what a ember on fire.
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B
Someone emailed us the part that's hot enough to vaporize matter into air.
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C
Oh, stop. I convinced you within 10 seconds that boiling water was just as hot.
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B
That's. Well, you raised some interesting points also.
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A
Conductivity or what was it? The heat transfer. There's something to do with that.
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B
I don't know. Well, Craig won, so you get Christian Watson and DK gets Parker Washington. So I'm fucked. So I actually have to make a pick again. I think there's a huge drop off. Is there anyone I'm forgetting? There's no the third. There's a drop off to the three guys here because I think Tess Johnson, Tez Johnson, because Baker Mayfield keeps finding him in the end zone. They're playing the Bills. I think the answer. This is not as fun. It's a one week answer. The answer to me clearly is Darius Slayton for the Giants because I think James Winston's going to play for the Giants this week. If Jackson D concussion, they're not going to play him. I think Jamis is going to play for the Giants and I think Darius Slayton.
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A
Yeah. What's M. Mike Kafka? Does he have a history with Jamis at all?
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No, he came from like the Chiefs, but I just think Jamis is way more like Russell Wilson can't run what dart does because Russ is old and sucks and can't hit the middle of the field. Jamis can. So I think they're going to do the same offense, but. Well, I mean, with less running. But like, I think Jameis is going to fucking chuck the ball. And yeah, John's playing the packers, so.
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I think that's a good one. But the other ones are Jaden Higgins for the Texans, Luther Burton maybe just waiting on those. These are stashes more than plays waiting on like the second half rookie bump. Weirdly enough, Mac Collins has like a 30% target rate over the last two weeks. I don't know if this is going to hold, but he did have 10 targets or. Sorry. He had 10 targets this week. Two the week before that and then seven the week before.
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Kha booty going out.
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I think for him. So he is like a desperation one. Tyler Lockett came in and was like a huge part of the freaking Raiders game Plano connection.
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B
You could tell with Lockett. I think Lockett and honestly the person. Maybe I should have taken over Darius Slayton's Trey Tucker because the Raiders. I know the Raiders look bad in primetime and Thursday football. But they go for the Broncos who are like a top three defense. And now the, the Raiders are going to play the Cowboys, who are a bottom three defense.
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C
True.
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B
And they have 11 days to prepare for that game. So they have 11 days for the Raiders to prepare for the Dallas Cowboys. I wouldn't be shocked if Tyler Lockett and Trey Tucker both have a good week. So Trey Tucker, maybe, maybe they should.
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A
Just not throw to those guys and throw to Brock Bowers instead. Just a thought.
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B
They could throw it out there.
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C
Can I just say briefly, like if you're in first or second place and you can just get cocky and do whatever you want. I, I really feel like Luther Burden. I'm pretty sure he's awesome. Like every DJ Moore is banged up. We don't really know. He's got like a shoulder thing. He missed time in the game and the second he DJ Moore would leave, Luther Burden would replace him. And he caught three passes for 51 yards.
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He's leading the team in yards per out run, which is always a good sign.
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I just, I really feel like he's going to be a thing and it might not happen this year, but if there's a chance that it does, I think the Bears offense is continuing to ascend and I think Burton is a. Is the best talent of any of.
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The guys on this list.
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I had him too, Craig.
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I like that super, super deep league, the Jets. I don't know if they're going to do Garrett Wilson's out in the three to four weeks. I don't think you want any of the jets because Justin fields threw for 50 yards this week, which is insane and I think he'll lose his job. But John Metchie and A.D. mitchell are going to be like the number one players in the team. Tyler Johnson, I don't think you wanted those players. I mean, Justin Fields had 54 passing yards. It's pretty pathetic. Okay. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn ads. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the wrong people. So when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals, including 130 million decision makers. And that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You can target your buyers by job title, industry, company role, seniority, skills, company revenue. So you can stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. It's why LinkedIn Ads generates the highest B2B return on ad spend of all online ad networks. Seriously, all of them spend $250 in your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com/ringer fantasy that is LinkedIn.com/ringer fantasy. Terms and conditions apply. This episode is brought to you by Velveeta Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first, who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks and cheesy jarred Queso's. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Tight ends Tight end.
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C
Not terrible.
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What's okay number one tight end.
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A
I'm going with Kate Otten for the Bucks who had 12 targets this week, nine catches, 82 yards going back. He's had 12, five, nine, six and four targets so he's getting consistent. He's a consistent part of this offense. I don't think Chris Godwin's coming back anytime soon. Mike Evans isn't coming back so this is like kind of stable in terms of it's going to be obviously a buka. Kate Otten I think is kind of like the underneath over the middle type of guy and then Ted Johnson is going to get some looks. Am I missing anybody? And then the running backs, I guess Sterling shepherd is in there sometimes. But yeah, I think Kate Otten feels like realistically going to give you a little bit of a higher floor than most of these other guys. I also like Harold Fannin from the Browns, but I would go with Kate on here I think.
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Yeah, I don't know. I'm between him and Colston Loveland and I know Loveland doesn't play as much and commit's back and all this stuff. I just think Loveland is good and explosive unlike all the other guys in this league list like Kate Otton and Dalton Schultz and these guys are like catch it and fall down dudes. Loveland to me is a guy who can actually like win you a week and put up 25 points or something like that. So I kind of, it's kind of a philosophical question but I don't know, I, I, I, I kind of keep thinking about Colson Love and I think I versus upside.
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A
Yeah, really. Which and I agree with you, I'm.
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C
Like you probably have somebody who's as good as Kate Otten. Loveland, I don't know. Loveland could explode over the second half.
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B
Loveland could be anything. It could even be Kate Otten.
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A
Right. The only reason I'm sticking with Kate Otton, just because I remember last year, KDOT was like the tight end one for. For like a stretch. Just because Baker likes to pepper him with targets in these shootout games that they play.
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B
I think. I think I'm gonna take. I have no problem if Colson Lovelander, if. Is available, but I. I'm gonna go with Kate Otten for the simple thing of. I mean, Tez Johnson caught two touchdowns this week. And it's just the touchdowns come and go. The touchdowns are going to ebb and flow.
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A
And I think, yeah, Johnson didn't have, like a ton of targets. He just happened to catch a couple touchdowns.
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B
I think their touchdowns are going to find Ott eventually, because I think teams are gonna be like, we don't want to boot to beat us in the red zone, and someone else has to do it, and Otten's gonna be the guy. So I'm gonna go to the Otten. But also, Loveland's a perfectly fine pick. And Harold Fannin, obviously, there's a lot of good tight ends. Weirdly, they're all going to fail you, but, you know, you can stream tight.
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A
Ends pretty well this year. I feel like, for the most part.
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B
It'S been the easiest position to deal with. I think other positions have been way harder. Yeah. But, yeah, there's Kate Otten showdown time here.
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C
Yeah, let's do it. It is the Kate Otten showdown time.
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A
He's a Husky.
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C
Is he?
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A
He's a Husky.
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C
I didn't know that. That's fun.
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B
How many people. Sorry, this is from Adam. A different Adam. How many people in America have the first name Jug?
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A
Great question. Amazing question. This is what I'm looking for.
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C
Legal, I guess. Legally, Right?
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A
Legally.
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C
The first name Jug.
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B
I. I guess I assumed right. I don't know how we would measure our nicknames.
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C
Cub, Buck, Jugger.
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A
Yeah. But we did another name recently where we tried to guess how many there were, and I was like, a hundred thousand, and it was like 200.
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C
Oh, what was it?
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B
No, you guessed like a million.
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A
Oh, it was it Alvin.
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B
It was. You guessed a million Alvins were named last year. And I'm like, there's only 300 million people in the marathon.
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A
I definitely over guess by a lot.
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C
How do people name.
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B
Half a percent of Americans are just Alvin's board Last year. That was DK's guess.
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A
Look, I didn't give it a lot of thought, all right? Sometimes I just say what comes into my mind.
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C
How many people name Jug?
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A
Jug? All right.
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B
Three, two, one.
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A
Four. How many did you say? If it's.
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B
I said 100.
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A
I said 18. Craig said four.
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C
You said 18. I wanted to capture the watch.
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B
Craig. If Craig wins this, that would be actually incredible.
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A
I think I said 18.
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C
I hope it's zero.
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B
Zero. The funniest.
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C
It crossed my mind that it would be zero.
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A
There's no joke.
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B
121. Really?
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A
Wow. Yeah.
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B
Wow.
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A
Sorry. What did you guess? If it's. You guessed a thousand.
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B
No, I get 100.
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A
You got 100. Okay, so you get first pick.
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B
101.
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A
That doesn't matter.
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B
To get the first pick at one.
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A
Yeah, but we got the running tally.
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B
True. Kate Otten.
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C
Ivan's is winning.
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A
There's a hundred Jugs.
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C
That's the dream.
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A
They're all. They're all in nursing homes at the moment. They're all octogenarians or above.
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C
I was assuming the question was about people with the first name Jug. Could this also be last name Jug?
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B
It literally. The question is, how many people in America have the first name Jug?
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C
The first name Jug. Really? 100 plus people?
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B
I don't buy per state. That's not Craig.
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C
Too many. Too many.
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A
Do your own research.
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C
It's all relatives of Jug Earp.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They're almost one family.
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C
It's like. It's like George Foreman.
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A
Yeah. Jug.
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B
Okay, so I'm gonna take K, Dot, and dk. You're gonna take Coulson Loveland. What are you doing here?
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A
I'll take Fanon.
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B
Harold Fanon. Okay, so the Craig, you, Coulson Loveland. Anyway.
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A
Great.
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B
The other people I would throw out Dalton Schultz for the Texans. I mean, he's alive. God, I don't know if the Texans are gonna be through. I mean, they're playing Titans this week. I don't think they'll be throwing like they were losing to the Jags all game, But, I mean, Luke Musgrave for the Packers. I mean, I literally wrote him down because I was like, I wonder how I'll do tonight? And packers were awful. So the other person want to throw out is Theo Johnson for the Giants.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because if and only if Jameis Winston starts.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Theo Johnson is Theo Johnson's super life. If Jameis Winston is going to play.
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C
May I also toss out Pat Friarmouth? The Steelers are playing the Bengals this week. The last time they played pat had over 100 yards and a touchdown.
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B
Didn't every tight end for the Steelers catch a touchdown against the Bengals?
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A
Don't remember.
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C
But Pat had the best game by far. It's not like they've been doing a whole lot, but he, you know, he's, he's the most explosive of the tight ends and the Bengals are horrible. And I do think the Steelers are going to win that game.
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A
I like it.
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B
Okay, now for a special segment of today's episode. Smarter Moves presented by Chime here to help you bank smarter this season. Chime's got smarter moves for your money and we've got smarter moves for your league this week. Quarterback if you got a stream of quarterback this week to Craig's point, Aaron Rogers because they're playing the Bengals and the Bengals defense sucks. Yeah, not that complicated. I know Aaron Rodgers look bad. That's a theme for me this week. I know Aaron Rogers looked bad last week, but they're playing this team this week. Even just Gino Smith if you're really desperate, like Cowboys, baby. Looked horrible playing the Cowboys like the two worst defenses. I mean even Justin Fields look great against Dallas and the Bengals.
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C
Yeah. Roger said four touchdowns when they played the Bengals a month ago.
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B
Marcus Mariota is a little bit on this thing. I know he looked bad. Kind of don't care. Like he runs mobile. He runs and you know, it's, it's not as bad. James Winston. James Winston plays with the Giants. I. I really think James Winston is.
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C
Capable fun 1. Who would you rather start, Rogers or Jamus?
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B
I mean for if I'm going to watch the game Jamus. If I'm going to just look at my box score later. The Rogers.
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A
I think Jacobe Brissette's a solid start too against a really banged up 49ers defense.
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B
That's another example of just burn like he played the best defense in the NFL. Don't think about it.
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A
Right. Well, I mean he still had. What do you have two touchdowns. I can't remember. But yeah, but that was.
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B
It was pathetic.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. He's. He's otherwise been pretty good.
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B
Only Marvin Harrison could have his like a great game just in like when you're watching, you're like this couldn't matter less what Marvin Harrison was doing that game Defenses again. If for any reason. If Seattle, if Denver, if Houston are available, like you have to go get them. I don't know how they're not rostered like 100 of leagues but Seattle, Denver, Houston and then even then Cleveland, the Ravens, the Rams, the Chargers. If those defenses are available, just get them like Cleveland, Raven, Rams, Chargers, Seattle, Denver, Houston. Like there's like seven defenses that should be had. Otherwise the Patriots are playing the Jets. Like that's come on Thursday of football. Justin Fields, they probably don't have a time to switch, so they're either gonna go to Todd Taylor, who's getting no reps, or they'll stick with Justin Fields, who again was. I think the number was 54 passing yards this week. We didn't talk about that enough. That's what I think Justin Fields is.
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A
It's been really bad.
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B
I think it's one of the worst passing attacks I've ever seen. And it was hidden by all the garbage time accumulation the jets had in the fourth quarter, like four different quarters. But I think Justin Fields really is quietly one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever. I've ever watched.
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C
And I almost wonder if people don't know, don't realize that because the only time they watched the jets this year was week one against the Steelers when they looked awesome. And then since then, they just haven't watched any of the games.
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B
He feels look good against the Steelers in week one, the Cowboys and Cincinnati. He has like, oh, it's week one and the two worst defenses in the NFL.
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A
He has 1, 2, 3. He has four games this year. And granted I think he left from injury maybe in one or two of these, but he has four games with less than 54 yards passing.
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C
Dude, that's crazy.
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A
He had 27 yards against Buffalo. He had 45 yards against Denver, 46 yards against Carolina and 54 against Cleveland.
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B
He got hurt against Buffalo, but like late, like not in the beginning.
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A
Yeah, and he. And yeah, and he had. But he went 3 for 11 in that game. He went 6 for 11 against Cleveland.
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B
You know, it's funny. If you could.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah.
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A
He doubled his completions over 50.
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B
Yeah, it's pathetic. I'm sorry, just. He seems like a nice guy, but. Yeah. The Patriots are playing the jets on Thursday. Football. That. That, that could be ugly. Baltimore again, if they're available. They're playing the Browns. The Ravens defense, they're. They're little back. I feel like they're not really rostered up to snuff, but like they're playing the Browns. Probably your last chance to get the Ravens. And then the Falcons are playing the Panthers. I know this game was 30 to nothing last time they played, but that's not the point. The Falcons defense is playing way better. I think that was just, frankly like a weird game. And the Panthers defense, Sorry, the Panthers offense is not moving the ball. They're really. Yeah, they can't throw the ball deep, which is funny because they have that. McMillan, but they can't. There's no downfield passing game for Carolina and the Falcons defense is humming. And so I think Falcons are perfectly, perfectly worthwhile candidate.
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C
Right.
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B
That's it for the week's edition of Smarter Moves. But remember, if you want to make your smartest move yet, switch to Chime. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by the Bancorp Bank NA or Stride Bank N A members FDIC learnmorechime.com okay, want to get a couple emails before we get out of here?
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A
Emails?
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I wanted to start by just saying we got an email from Richie.
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C
Anybody seen Richie? It's a Steven Seagal movie that nobody's seen.
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A
Anybody say. What's that?
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B
From the way you said that, I just thought it was the bear.
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C
You know what? That's fine. On a similar accent. I don't know what Seagull's doing, any of his movies, but it's. You should watch that film out for justice. Good time. Anyway, go ahead.
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B
Rich says my 8 year old son loves the fart or shart intro so much that he listens to that bit of the show with me now. And he wants to play fantasy football with me next season.
- [64:32]
A
Yeah. Hell yeah. Bridging the gap to the generations. I can see Calvin really liking it too. And he's six.
- [64:38]
C
Yeah.
- [64:39]
A
Every young boy like the age where farts are hilarious.
- [64:42]
B
Is Calvin Gen Alpha?
- [64:45]
A
Yeah, I think so.
- [64:45]
B
I don't think we should get to call them that. They should be called something else.
- [64:48]
A
They gotta earn it.
- [64:50]
B
Nominate determinism. They're gonna all run our. They're gonna be our bosses with AI or something if we don't change that.
- [64:55]
C
I think, honestly, unfortunately for udk, I feel like Gen X got screwed.
- [64:59]
A
I'm not.
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B
Gen X is kind of a cool name, I think.
- [65:01]
A
I think I'm technically a millennial.
- [65:03]
C
Are you millennial?
- [65:03]
A
I'm an elder. I'm a geriatric millennial.
- [65:07]
B
Gen X sounds cool.
- [65:08]
A
Gen X sounds cool. I think.
- [65:10]
C
Millennial, cool name.
- [65:12]
B
I feel like Gen X, they all have. They're like, oh, we got. They're mad about stuff.
- [65:16]
A
I want to say like millennials started in 80 or 81. I could be wrong. Let me look it up, actually. But. But yeah, okay.
- [65:24]
C
What's that? Is it going to be Gen Beta after Gen Alpha?
- [65:27]
B
I know that they're going to get brutal.
- [65:28]
C
That's what.
- [65:29]
B
I'm Pretty sure it's 80 to 95 millennial.
- [65:32]
A
Yeah, this one says 81 to 96. Close enough.
- [65:35]
B
Anyway.
- [65:35]
A
Also known as generation. Yeah, no one calls it that. Yeah.
- [65:40]
B
So. All right, next one here from Nick Nicky for breakfast. I have nothing. Breakfast isn't real. Kellogg's made it up.
- [65:54]
C
Okay, okay.
- [65:56]
A
You don't get hungry, that's fine.
- [65:59]
C
I kind of respect that answer.
- [66:02]
B
Dk, you don't really eat breakfast either.
- [66:04]
A
I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm. That doesn't mean sweet quesadilla doesn't mean that Kellogg's made up breakfast. I think breakfast was around before the. Kellogg's just throwing it out there.
- [66:17]
C
You know, there are some. I was telling Liz this the other day. We were driving down the freeway and there was like some advertisement for Christmas or something. And I was like, you know, I'm completely okay with the fact that Christmas is just a way to just sell me. But I, I'm. I'm totally fine with it. Yeah, I love the, like, the capitalist marketing of Christmas. I'm just completely okay with it. I love it. And I will buy shit every year because of it. And it makes me happy. Like, are there. What are the most capitalist, like, clearly just marketing ploys that you are fine with?
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A
Christmas is a good one.
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C
I'm fine. I just love. I'm totally okay with it. Like, I would, you know, it's the best.
- [66:56]
A
So, like, the other ones would be like Valentine's Day. So you're like, that's just invented to.
- [67:01]
B
Yeah.
- [67:01]
A
I mean, honestly, cereal is a great chocolates and stuff.
- [67:03]
C
Breakfast cereal is a great one. That's like a fake, made up thing. It's not good for you. You shouldn't have it in the morning, but everybody does. And if you're like, you know what, it's worth it. I love it. I don't care.
- [67:11]
A
That's marketing, I don't think. Yeah, like, cereal has never been really, like, good for you. I think the concept of eating in the morning is not made up. You're sleeping for eight hours. Of course you're hungry. You just don't have to eat like high processed, high sugar bullshit in milk.
- [67:29]
C
You don't have to eat something called Cookie Crisp, which is just a bag of cookies.
- [67:33]
B
That was fucking wild. What the fuck was Cookie Crisp?
- [67:36]
A
Like chocolate frosted sugar bombs.
- [67:38]
C
It is a bag of cookies. That's it.
- [67:41]
B
Cookie Crisp is the craziest shit anyone tried. Like, imagine the guy who Pitched that was like, hey, guys, I got an idea.
- [67:46]
A
You.
- [67:46]
C
I think about it a lot. Way more than I should. Cookie Crisp and how insane it is. I used to eat fast as a.
- [67:51]
A
Cereal when I was a kid. I would eat, like three bowls of cereal for breakfast.
- [67:55]
C
Yeah, dude, Captain Crunch. I'd have, like 103 grams of sugar to start my day. And like, nobody's. When you check the box on the side of a cereal box, it tells you, like, the serving size is like a 15 grams of sugar per serving. Each serving is like a half a cup. And you have like, what, two cups every with each bowl.
- [68:13]
A
It's like a thimble.
- [68:14]
B
Cereal is insane. The whole concept is crazy.
- [68:17]
C
Like, you are having four servings of cereal minimum.
- [68:21]
A
I wonder why Americans have trouble with, you know, healthiness.
- [68:25]
C
Cereal should be illegal, to be honest.
- [68:27]
A
Cereals agree with that, Craig. Should be illegal.
- [68:31]
B
How much of, like, cereal is just because it's hard to get your child to sit still in the morning and eat something?
- [68:38]
A
Yeah. I think a big part of it is it's very easy and very.
- [68:40]
C
Cereal is not going to help them sit still.
- [68:42]
B
Well, not the problem.
- [68:44]
A
Not my problem. He's going to pool, pal. Here, take this. Leave me alone.
- [68:48]
C
Here, eat this.
- [68:50]
B
Eat these cookies. Cookie Crisp is.
- [68:53]
C
Calvin, you haven't touched your Cookie Crisp yet. Anyway, have you been studying for your test? What is this?
- [68:59]
A
We don't have cereal. We don't really have cereal in our home.
- [69:02]
B
It is funny to think that, like, a European could come to or any from any continent could come to America and be like, so you just feed your children cookies and send them to school where they have their phones and they can look at boobs all day?
- [69:13]
C
Yeah, well, that's only during the weekday. On the weekends, they get fried cake with sugar sauce on them for breakfast.
- [69:18]
A
I will say Europeans are unequivocally way more healthy. But yes, when I went to Italy, they're eating like fucking scones with chocolate in the middle and they rip cigarettes. Yeah, it's not like they're eating, you know, freaking fruit. Well, maybe they do. I. I'm sure some people. It's just the serving size is way different.
- [69:40]
C
We're eating, like alien plasma. They're eating like a baked good that was made by human hands.
- [69:46]
B
You guys didn't think the plasma as I did.
- [69:49]
A
No, they definitely eat better than us. I'm not trying to argue against that.
- [69:52]
B
So what is the plasma in blood? The liquid component of blood. So what the is plasma? How is the thing in blood also for the thing in fire. How is that? Plas.
- [70:02]
A
I think they're two different types of plasma. Two different plasmas? No, no, I, I, they're two different things that are named the same.
- [70:08]
B
They're different things that are named would.
- [70:10]
A
Be my guess, but.
- [70:11]
B
Oh. Plasma is an ionized gas also often called the fourth state of matter. Okay, great, that answers that.
- [70:16]
C
So they are same. More different meanings.
- [70:18]
A
Now we understand it completely.
- [70:19]
C
Homin.
- [70:20]
B
That makes sense. Plasma rifle. God, I miss Halo.
- [70:23]
C
You do? You love Halo.
- [70:25]
A
When are we gonna play?
- [70:26]
B
Dude, I would. You don't.
- [70:28]
A
Can I, can, Can I introduce you to the. My style of playing where we put the box on the screen and like.
- [70:32]
B
No, because you can't connect to the Internet. Your style. So I. We have to wait.
- [70:36]
A
Well, no, I'm saying when we're in person.
- [70:38]
C
Well, you wouldn't need the box if you were playing in different rooms.
- [70:41]
A
No, but then you're not together.
- [70:42]
C
The whole point is you have to be together to have the box up.
- [70:44]
B
Otherwise I will 100% play you in Halo DK. If we can figure out a way to get.
- [70:48]
A
Oh God, I actually don't really want to. Sounds terrible.
- [70:53]
B
Lose.
- [70:54]
A
Yeah, probably. We should do it though.
- [70:56]
C
We should do it on the road trip to the super bowl in the back of the car. Set up a whole thing. When I was a kid, sometimes my parents, when we would drive to my grandparents house, like an hour drive, they would get rid of the middle seats in our like. What do we have? A Chevy Tahoe? I don't know. Well, we, we, they get rid of the.
- [71:11]
A
Remember the kind of car you had?
- [71:12]
C
Tahoe? I think it's a Tahoe. And we would sit in the back and then they, we'd bring in like this old gigantic television and then a Nintendo 64 and my brother and I could play while driving.
- [71:21]
A
How did you plug it into like the cigarette lighter?
- [71:24]
C
You plugged it into the car?
- [71:25]
A
No way.
- [71:26]
B
Yeah, the T. You could plug a TV into the car and a system.
- [71:31]
C
Yeah, it was sweet.
- [71:33]
A
My buddy when we were growing up had his family had a. And people that are listening who know this or my generation. Tell me if you can figure out what it is because I don't remember the name of it. Maybe it was like a GMC or something. It was like this family van you get in. I'm pretty sure it had a sliding door on the side and there was a chair on the left side of the car and it was like a swivel chair. So it would like swivel around.
- [71:57]
C
I Know what?
- [71:57]
A
You know, and then it had like a bench in the back and it had a TV in it.
- [72:01]
C
It was like a diner in there.
- [72:04]
A
It was like a really small motorhome. Yeah, I guess. I don't know what it's called, but anyway.
- [72:11]
C
Are you guys excited for when nobody drives cars anymore? No, I think I am. I like driving. I do like the idea of driving, but I feel like you could still sit in the drive. Maybe you could. You could still drive the car if you want, but the idea of not having to drive if you don't want to to me actually sounds great.
- [72:28]
B
Ford had me go out and drive the new truck. They have this thing called Blue Cruise in it. And I guess it's not the ad, so not all those legal mumble jumbos.
- [72:38]
C
Bonus extra credit.
- [72:41]
B
I was pretty blown away at how advanced the hands technology is. Yeah, it's a little freaky because, like, they can tell when you're not looking at the road. And I assume that was because my head would move and they're like, no. It's like you can track your eyes. I'm like, that's a little weird because they want you to still look at the road even when. But I was kind of amazed, frankly at just how good it was. You could just set how many car lengths you want. Like, I'm like, okay, put me two car lengths behind the car in front of me and just. And then you just shift lanes. You just hit the blinker and it just moves you to the other lane. I was like, oh. Like, I live in DC. It's like a top five traffic city in America. LA is 1, 2. I feel like Atlanta, like. And it would be pretty incredible if your commute was just.
- [73:30]
A
Just like driving the train. Yeah, yeah.
- [73:32]
C
I mean, I use Waymo all the time. As you guys know.
- [73:35]
A
Craig loves the clankers. Oh, I do.
- [73:37]
C
I love the Waymo. So nice dude experience. It just is.
- [73:42]
B
I hate the idea that people are.
- [73:43]
A
Craig told us that it felt like they were going too slow. He's like, you know what the one thing I don't like about Waymo is? They're too careful.
- [73:49]
C
They literally go the speed limit, which nobody does. So that's a little annoying. And like, sometimes it's like they can make the simple turn, but they have to take the long route. But other than that, you know, I don't know half the time. I. I got a lot of thoughts about ride sharing services, but I want.
- [74:04]
B
You know, my theory. We figured it out in Ireland, which is that the app should have been applied to the taxi drivers. And it was kind of a travesty that all the taxi drivers were undercut and set out of business. And now it's like.
- [74:15]
C
Yeah. I do not understand how the they're gonna have waymos in New York City because they're training them right now. And I don't. I literally don't understand how that is going to work.
- [74:23]
B
People are going to figure out real quick, you could just jaywalk in front of Wayo that shit's gonna stop and it'll never move.
- [74:27]
C
It'll just stand there and wait.
- [74:29]
A
No.
- [74:30]
B
Yeah. Being in a Waymo in like rush hour and like someone who's just gonna call a Waymo and not from New York and then people are just gonna walk in front of it the whole time.
- [74:36]
C
The whole point of driving in New York is like there are no rules. But you, like, you understand, like, you just like kind of know how to do it. It's like all feel. And so I have no idea how a Waymo is going to do that.
- [74:47]
B
Those are the last things AI can do is like, you know, just drive it. Yeah. Drive through rush hour Manhattan.
- [74:53]
A
Yeah.
- [74:54]
C
And so I'm surprised they're training them for New York.
- [75:00]
B
DK doesn't care.
- [75:01]
A
No, I do. Craig made us go in a Waymo resisting.
- [75:04]
B
Yeah.
- [75:04]
A
It was very. I was very anti. And then he tricked me.
- [75:07]
C
They're clean, they're nice. You can set the temp, you can play your music. It's wonderful.
- [75:12]
B
You can have sex with them one.
- [75:13]
A
Time and then they kick you out.
- [75:15]
C
Yeah. You get blacklisted. Yeah. You can, you can, you know, conceive your baby in there.
- [75:21]
A
You have one shot, one opportunity.
- [75:24]
C
Do you think a baby has been conceived in a Waymo yet?
- [75:26]
A
Probably, yeah.
- [75:28]
C
I'm gonna name.
- [75:29]
A
I bet like I would name. I bet like a million Alvins have been conceived in a Waymo.
- [75:34]
C
Do you think when is the first year a human being is named Waymo?
- [75:39]
B
It's probably a Waymo probably played with Buck and Jug back in the day. Cub, Cub, Cub, Cub, Jug.
- [75:47]
A
And some come and Jug bullshit, by the way.
- [75:50]
C
I do not buy that. There's 120 jugs out there.
- [75:54]
B
That's two. You live in California, Craig.
- [75:56]
A
Do you. Can you conceive of how many 400 million is?
- [76:02]
C
There's just not 120 jugs. I don't trust the math. I don't trust whatever.
- [76:07]
A
Jugs.
- [76:10]
C
There's not 120 where the legal name is Jug. I don't buy it.
- [76:18]
B
Thank you. Dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com for fantasy course. We will settle your court cases, emails, trivia, questions. I want to know more about plasma. Thank you, Lord.
- [76:36]
C
Lord.
- [76:37]
A
Thank you. Citizen Cope.
- [76:38]
C
Oh, nice.
- [76:39]
A
Do you remember him?
- [76:40]
B
Nice.
- [76:40]
C
Yeah, there's one song.
- [76:46]
B
That one's great. Steam just Sons of Anarchy and Bullet in the Target.
- [76:49]
A
Oh, yeah, remember that one? I was kind. I was really into a few of his songs. Like in the mid aughts.
- [76:54]
B
Let the Drummer Kick.
- [76:56]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [76:57]
B
Which I always thought was.
- [76:58]
A
He's still around.
- [77:00]
C
Like, is he alive?
- [77:02]
A
No, I mean, like, is he touring and stuff? I mean, maybe. Is he alive also?
- [77:05]
C
He is alive. He's 57.
- [77:08]
A
Wow.
- [77:08]
B
Is it just one guy?
- [77:11]
A
Yeah.
- [77:12]
B
Band thing going on.
- [77:14]
C
Clarence Greenwood. It's a cool name.
- [77:17]
B
Did you guys ever watch Sons of Anarchy?
- [77:19]
A
I watched like a. I think the first season or so.
- [77:22]
B
I watched it live when it was good, and then, like, I just fell off and I came back and everyone was like, this is good.
- [77:27]
A
I think it was good. There's some really good actors in that.
- [77:30]
C
There's a new Netflix show out about James Garfield that I want to watch.
- [77:35]
A
Oh, yeah. So that was. Didn't.
- [77:37]
B
The cat.
- [77:40]
A
God damn it. That was actually pretty good. I want to say Derek Thompson did.
- [77:52]
C
He did.
- [77:53]
A
He did a full episode.
- [77:54]
B
What was he doing when we got to James Garfield?
- [77:58]
A
He was talking about Sons of Anarchy. And then Craig, I think, thought of a different show that he wanted to watch.
- [78:02]
B
Oh, okay.
- [78:02]
C
Like, I. I had just heard that this show was good and you saying that people were talking about it.
- [78:05]
A
It looks really good. It looks really good. And I recommend highly listening to the James Garfield episode on. What does he call his. His history once?
- [78:15]
B
History.
- [78:16]
A
Yeah, Plain. It's a plain English podcast.
- [78:18]
C
It was about the biography of James Garfield, and I think he had the author on. It was basically, James Garfield didn't even want to be president. He's. He's one.
- [78:24]
A
But he was just, like, made for it because he was super smart, a genius.
- [78:28]
C
One of the most beautiful extemporaneous speakers of all time and is one of the lesser known presidents.
- [78:33]
A
They basically pressured him into doing it. And then some things happened that you could watch in the show.
- [78:40]
C
Yeah, there's like a decent cast of that. Somebody put. I think Michael Shannon plays James Garfield.
- [78:45]
A
And then the guy from Succession plays another character.
- [78:49]
C
Which guy?
- [78:52]
A
Well, I didn't watch the show, so I don't remember his name. He's the guy that. He's the guy that interviews The Nazi.
- [78:58]
C
Matthew McFadden.
- [78:59]
A
He's. Yeah.
- [79:01]
B
I love that you know succession from the memes.
- [79:03]
A
Yeah, I do. I honestly know succession from like memes and from clips on Instagram.
- [79:08]
B
That one's so good. When he's like. Have you ever read Minecon? Couple times.
- [79:12]
A
Did you miss. You miss some nuggets in there? The first time.
- [79:16]
C
I like that. I like that period in history. Which part?
- [79:20]
B
Is it true that your dog's name is just Hitler?
- [79:23]
A
Just checking the tilt. Just checking the till here. I think you're short a few minutes. Million.
- [79:26]
C
Yeah. He said, yeah. He's like 8 million Germans, 3 million Poles.
- [79:30]
A
You're missing 40 million Soviets, dude.
- [79:33]
B
He's like Hitler. No, no, it's a totally different spelling, dude.
- [79:36]
C
Tom Wan's all time character, dude.
- [79:40]
A
I have watched a few episodes of that.
- [79:41]
C
Incredibly capacious bag. Greg.
- [79:46]
A
The scene that I always see is where he's like, are you ready to sell your soul?
- [79:50]
C
Yeah. I love when they eat the bird at that like fancy restaurant where they put the towel over their head and they have to eat the fucking like fried bird. Is that real? Hi, Fitz. You know what I'm talking about. That scene where they eat that bird. It's like a. It's like a full bird. Like a quail.
- [80:07]
B
Like when they go pheasant hunting or whatever.
- [80:09]
C
No, no, they're in a fancy restaurant and you are served like a full bird and you put like a. Like a rag over your head and then you eat the head off the bird.
- [80:19]
B
I have no idea.
- [80:19]
C
You don't remember that episode? He. He's at dinner with Greg.
- [80:28]
B
Oh. It's a French delicacy called Ortolan and now illegal in France.
- [80:34]
C
So it's real.
- [80:35]
B
It does seem real. Yeah, that does seem some real fucked up, weird rich people shit. It's cooked.
- [80:41]
C
Eaten whole. Diners cover their heads with their napkin or a towel while eating the delicacy. The bird is so widely eaten that its French populations drop dangerously low, leading to laws restricting its use in 1999.
- [80:52]
A
Wow.
- [80:53]
B
Damn.
- [80:54]
C
By the way, a whole bird with a towel over your head in a restaurant.
- [80:57]
A
I don't want that. By the way, the show is called Death by Lightning on Netflix.
- [81:03]
B
Didn't he get shot?
- [81:05]
A
Well, you're gonna have to find out.
- [81:07]
B
Spoiler. I have one presidential conspiracy theory.
- [81:11]
A
Spoiler for something that happened.
- [81:14]
C
I bet you there's a guy named Jug in that show that would.
- [81:17]
B
I would check out one day. I'll run, you guys. I have one good presidential conspiracy theory.
- [81:23]
A
One day you'll let us know.
- [81:26]
C
One day. I'm. I'm excited to hear it. One day.
- [81:28]
A
Waiting on baited breath. Is that how you say it? Is that the word? What does that even mean?
- [81:34]
C
All right, wait.
- [81:35]
B
Goodbye.
- [81:41]
A
Foreign.
- [81:47]
B
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