Micah Parsons Traded and the 2025 Take Purge, With Bill Simmons

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Episode: "Micah Parsons Traded and the 2025 Take Purge, With Bill Simmons"
Date: August 29, 2025
Summary by: The Ringer Podcast Summarizer

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Episode Overview

This special episode begins with the crew (Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck) diving into the much-anticipated annual "Take Purge"—their tradition of unleashing all their wild, irrational, or half-baked NFL/fantasy football opinions, regardless of how much they truly believe them. Midway through their chaotic, free-flowing takes, earth-shattering NFL news breaks: Dallas Cowboys star pass rusher Micah Parsons is traded to the Green Bay Packers. The hosts experience the shock in real time and pivot into an immediate, emotional analysis of one of the most seismic NFL trades in recent years. As the dust starts to settle, Bill Simmons, Ringer founder and sports pundit, barges in with his chair to give his takes on the bombshell and its repercussions.

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Main Segments

1. The Annual "Take Purge"

00:10 – 41:00

• Concept: The "Take Purge" grants the hosts a guilt-free hour to air “intrusive thoughts”—NFL/fantasy football takes that may be illogical, unsubstantiated, or not even genuinely held.
• Purpose: “We do so many shows, we do so much prep, and you end up with these unwanted thoughts...every year we have to just do a purge where we get rid of [them].” – Craig Korlbeck (03:15)
• Tone: Playful, irreverent, and self-aware.

Key Hot Takes & Discussions

• Danny Kelly's Dolphins Optimism:

  • Take: Miami will win 11 games and make the playoffs, despite “terrible vibes” and heavy criticism this offseason.
  • “Miami is the team that nobody is talking about, and every time Tua plays, they fucking win.” – Danny Kelly (08:17)
  • Supporting points: Team’s record when Tua is healthy is elite. Schedule is favorable. Underrated defense.
  • Consensus: Not as wild as it seems; plenty of support from the group.

• Fantasy Running Back Contrarianism:

  • Breece Hall (“buy the dip”):
    • “I don’t think anyone in fantasy has had a worse preseason than Breece Hall... I genuinely think he's still a league-winner.” – Danny Heifetz (10:58)
    • Cites Hall’s consistent receiving work and potential benefits from a Justin Fields-led offense, in contrast to Rodgers’ impact.
  • Ali Gordon as Miami Sleeper RB:
    • “Ollie Gordon might be the best running back sleeper in all of fantasy football.” – Danny Heifetz (09:48)

• Steelers and Aaron Rodgers Double-down:

  • “The Steelers are going to be really good. I think Aaron Rodgers will play like a borderline story of the season, elite level. And the Steelers are making the AFC Championship.” – Craig Korlbeck (16:41, 16:55)
  • Predicts a Favre-esque arc for Rodgers, ending with a heroic choke and retirement.
  • On the Steelers: “They won 10 games with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields and no wide receivers.” – Danny Kelly (18:36)

• Bold College Football Take:

  • "Bill Belichick's going to crush at UNC...They're going to be with Clemson, winning the ACC next season." – Craig Korlbeck (22:50)
  • Predicts Belichick will dominate with transfer portal savvy and NFL gameplanning.

• Quarterback “Year One” Rule:

  • “If you sucked in year one, you're going to suck. If you were good in year one, that means you're good.” – Danny Kelly (43:11)
  • Calls out Trevor Lawrence and Caleb Williams as “not guys,” declares the art of QB development is dead.

• Miscellaneous/Rapid Fire Purges:

  • George Pickens will be out of the NFL in two years (16:16)
  • Top 5 fantasy QBs next year will include Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, and Jackson Dart (36:25)
  • Giants: Playoff dark horses (“If the Giants sneak into the fucking playoffs...you'd only be shocked if they beat the Eagles.” – 40:02)
  • Bo Nix will have a better career than Drew Brees (47:59)
  • JJ McCarthy to outscore Bo Nix in fantasy this year (49:50)
  • Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell on the “future disappointment” radar (53:12)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “These are not our responsibility, these takes. It's not us making these takes. It's whatever happens inside that 60 minute window.” – Danny Kelly (06:07)
• “Professional credibility is suspended. Including things we don't believe.” – Craig Korlbeck (06:13)

2. The Micah Parsons Trade Shocks the Show

55:52 – 74:34

Breaking News (Live Reaction): Cowboys trade Micah Parsons to Packers

• The News: Adam Schefter tweets that the Cowboys have traded 3x All-Pro LB Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers for two first-round picks and a “frontline” player (later revealed as 29-year-old DT Kenny Clark).
• Immediate Reactions:
  • Disbelief and scrambling to confirm:
    • “I kind of just kept waiting for this to be fake.” – Craig Korlbeck (91:27)
    • “Is this a take purge or are we doing pranks?” – Danny Kelly (58:09)
  • Emotional/Contextual framing:
    • “This is Reggie White all over again.” – Craig Korlbeck (59:10)
    • “This right here [two firsts and Kenny Clark]—disaster.” – Danny Heifetz (61:42)

Full-Scale Analysis

• CRITIQUE OF THE TRADE:
  • Consensus is the Cowboys lost the trade, regardless of value.
    • “This is a white flag. We’re surrendering.” – Danny Heifetz (58:45)
    • “Two firsts—these are going to be the 28th pick.” – Craig Korlbeck (58:41)
  • On what it takes to “win” the trade: “How many firsts? Five? Three? The odds that you hit on three firsts [equal Parsons]...” – Danny Kelly (58:48)
• Jerry Jones’s “Dick-Swinging” Standoff with Agent:
  • Extensive theorizing about Jones’ attempts to circumvent star agent David Mulaguetta.
    • “David Mulaguetta runs athletes first and is now the most powerful agent in the NFL... Jerry Jones... was basically like, you don't exist.” – Craig Korlbeck (60:38)
    • “I bet you Jerry, it was like a dick measuring contest. And Jerry was like, ‘You’re gonna tell me that I did it? See you later.’” – Danny Kelly (75:06)
• Impact on the Cowboys:
  • Acknowledges Cowboys’ defense is now “bottom three” in the NFL; offense likely to go pass-heavy/outscore everyone, Bengals-style (86:48).

Parsons' Statement (Read Live, 65:30):

• “Not everything was in my control. My heart has always been here, and it still is. Through it all, I never made any demands. I never asked for anything more than fairness. I only asked that the person I trust to negotiate my contract be part of the process.” – Micah Parsons (65:30)

Comparisons and City Context

• “In Dallas in one year has lost Luca [Doncic] and Micah Parsons. That’s the best young NBA player and probably the best young defender in the NFL in a year.” – Craig Korlbeck (63:04)
• “What’s worse, Luka or this?” – Bill Simmons (75:44)

Packers' Outlook

• Defense now a real Super Bowl threat:
  • “Now they have Micah Parsons. He’s a force multiplier.” – Danny Heifetz (68:10)
  • Packers odds move to 12-1; consensus is they’ve outfoxed Dallas.
  • “Green Bay needed a couple blue chippers...they had a good roster, but they didn’t have the difference makers. Now they do.” – Danny Kelly (88:05)

On the Trading Logic:

• “You can’t replace these [players]. The entire point of running a sports franchise is to acquire a player like Micah Parsons.” – Danny Heifetz (57:59)
• “Fans, and maybe now teams and Jerry Jones, become obsessed with cap space. Use your money on great players. Giving your best player lots of money is actually good!” – Danny Heifetz (81:37)

3. Bill Simmons Drops In

75:52 – 89:57

• Bill's Picks & Reactions:
  • “I picked [the Packers] for the Super Bowl on part two of my pod that just went up.” – Bill Simmons (76:01)
  • Emphasizes the lopsided nature of the trade: “There are seven blue chippers you’d want in the league, including quarterback. There’s no way [Micah Parsons] isn’t one of them. So how is it not three firsts?” (77:29)
  • Contextualizes the disaster for Dallas: “This is like an irrational, crazy old guy move...If they owned one of your favorite teams and they do like this, it’s the other way you’re helpless, like being President.” (80:50)
• Comparisons:
  • Wonders aloud why other teams didn’t get involved; reviews Jamal Adams, Herschel Walker, Russell Wilson trades as context for blockbuster dead-ends.
  • “If you go over, even like the Russell Wilson trade...if you’re giving up more than two firsts for a player, usually not a great idea. Unless the player is 26, best pass rusher in the league, and never available.” (85:13)

4. Show Wrap, Surreal Processing

90:26 – end

• The hosts process what happened, flipping between incredulity, analysis, and gallows humor.
• Running jokes: “Take Purge never ends.” “Jerry’s the content king.”
• Close with a digression on iconic NBA theme music and playful banter to decompress after the King's ransom of all football content.

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Timestamps for Key Topics

| Topic | Time | |------------------------------------|--------------| | Take Purge concept & intro | 00:10–06:30 | | Dolphins hot take (Kelly) | 06:43–09:37 | | Breece Hall “buy the dip” | 10:57–15:55 | | Steelers/Rodgers optimism | 16:22–19:22 | | Belichick hot take/UNC | 22:50–26:42 | | Giants playoff case | 36:32–41:10 | | QB Year One Test | 43:10–47:41 | | Micah Parsons trade breaks live | 55:52–74:34 | | Parsons’ statement (read aloud) | 65:28–67:11 | | Bill Simmons joins for aftermath | 75:52–89:57 | | Packers’ new Super Bowl odds | 69:49–70:21 |

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Notable Quotes

“Miami is the team that nobody is talking about, and every time Tua plays, they fucking win.”
—Danny Kelly (08:17)

“If you sucked in year one, you're going to suck. If you were good in year one, that means you're good.”
—Danny Kelly (43:11)

“This is Reggie White all over again.”
—Craig Korlbeck (59:10)

“This right here [two firsts and Kenny Clark]—disaster.”
—Danny Heifetz (61:42)

“The entire point of running a sports franchise is to acquire a player like Micah Parsons.”
—Danny Heifetz (57:59)

“There are seven blue chippers you’d want in the league, including quarterback. There’s no way [Micah Parsons] isn’t one of them. So how is it not three firsts?”
—Bill Simmons (77:29)

“If somebody gets old and crazy, you’re kind of helpless. ...Like if they owned your team and don’t sell, and do like this. There’s no outs.”
—Bill Simmons (80:14)

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Episode Takeaways

• Take Purge: The tradition is both a meta-commentary on sports talk culture and a genuinely thought-provoking “predictive dump” before the season. The best (and craziest) opinions often surface when you allow for the irrational.
• Micah Parsons trade: One of the most jaw-dropping mid-episode news drops ever. The entire crew (plus Bill Simmons) agrees it's a colossal mistake for the Cowboys, a game-changer for the Packers, and a window into the perils of owner-ego and front-office dysfunction.
• Real-time shock adds value: The hosts embody the fan experience in real time, enhancing both authenticity and entertainment.
• Cowboys’ future: Questionable; likely shifting to an offense-first, high-scoring approach out of necessity.
• Packers’ outlook: Legitimate Super Bowl threat; now possess a cornerstone defensive superstar at the peak of his powers.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode will be remembered both for its riotous, permission-granted “Take Purge” and for the live, raw breakdown as the hosts (plus Bill Simmons) grapple with the Micah Parsons bombshell. Whether you care about fantasy football, the NFL at large, or simply enjoy football chaos, this is a must-listen episode encapsulating the unpredictability and drama that makes both football and great sports commentary so unique.

Transcript

[Danny Heifetz]

Foreign.

[Danny Kelly]

This is not a test.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is your emergency podcast system announcing the commencement of the annual Take Purge at the Siren. All takes, including things you don't actually believe, will be legal for 60 continuous minutes. No players, coaches, or media members of any kind will be granted immunity. All rational thought, logic, and professional credibility will be suspended. The Ringer Podcast network thanks you for your participation. May our take God, Chris Sims be with you all. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korlbeck and oh, my God, we were doing the take Purge and then Micah Parsons got traded in the middle of it. So this episode's kind of going to be one third or one half take Purge, which, if you don't know, is like our favorite episode thing we do all year. We'll explain it in a moment. Then it's like a quarter. Micah Parsons got traded and we freak out. Then Bill Simmons walks in, and then we just kind of talk about the Michael Parsons trade again.

[Danny Kelly]

I didn't even know he was at the office today. No, he came barging in holding his own chair.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Follow us on his own chair. Follow us on Instagram Ringer Fantasy Football. They got a video, Jo, me and you guys got a video of Bill actually sneaking in on the recording and brought byoc. Brought his own chair to this recording. So falls on your screen.

[Danny Kelly]

It actually worked out quite nicely because we were kind of getting to the end of our take purge hour. We were like 50 minutes in.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And then Jerry Jones had his own take Purge and Micah Parsons was traded.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. So spoiler Take Purge. You know, it's great trade for Dallas, right? We all agree? Yeah. Great. Great move by Dallas. Thank God Luka Doncic. Yeah, thank God Luka and Micah Parsons don't play for them anymore. Everyone was so happy there. So, yeah, honestly, this is the most electric show we've had and I can't even remember, so.

[Danny Heifetz]

And also we forgot to end the take bridge, so.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, we forgot. Yes. Well, I think the theme is to take Purge really never ends.

[Danny Kelly]

We're still in it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right, so we're going to get to all that. If you are here because you want to hear about the Michael Parsons part, you can skip ahead to the Michael Parsons part. If you want to come on this journey with us, then stick around. We're going to take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai getaway sales event and get away with A deal so right it almost feels wrong. You can get huge savings on their adventure ready SUV's like the Hyundai Santa Fe and Santa Fe hybrid models. Or go all electric and choose from America's most awarded EV lineup like the breakthrough Ioniq 5 or Ioniq 6. Visit Hyundai USA.com or call 562-314-4603 for details. Offers end September 2nd, 2025. All right, I'm joined now by three men here ready to purge our souls.

[Danny Kelly]

You joined by three men? You're rich.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, I'm here. Whatever, man. Whatever. You know what? It's not about counting dk. It's about the take purge.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like we're here. We're joined by the Holy Spirit.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It's how we're going to have to survive this whole thing.

[Danny Kelly]

We're joined by Chris Sims in spirit.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Exactly. He's always with us.

[Danny Heifetz]

AKA the Holy Spirit.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. I mean again, we do this content. We do so many shows, we do so much prep, we do so much research, and you end up with these unwanted thoughts, these intrusive thoughts, these unwanted ideations that we don't know what to do with. And so just every. Every year we have to just do a purge where we get rid of. We have a safe space hour to unleash all these things so we can be pure and respectable members of. Of. Of the citizen citizenry in the Republic for the rest of the year.

[Danny Kelly]

We can cleanse ourselves of these haunting thoughts. I love the take Purge. Ari Aster has been in talks with us to turn it into a movie. So hopefully that works out.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Have any of us. Have any of us watched the Purge yet?

[Danny Kelly]

I have. We did have three watchables.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You did? Have we? No, no, I watched some.

[Danny Heifetz]

I refuse to watch it now. It principal. But yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah, no, this is good actually. Purge is a good movie.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is my favorite episode we do.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you find this year to be easier? Harder than other years?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Easier.

[Danny Kelly]

Easier.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Way easier. I. I had. I've written a lot of these down over the course last five weeks. I.

[Danny Heifetz]

My process Craig is one hour before the show. I come up with all my take them bubble up. Yeah, I can't think of one before. One hour before the show. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I.

[Craig Korlbeck]

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[Danny Kelly]

Do you think? I think there's one thing that we, we. We need to remember for the take purge. And we heard it in the intro where Liz clearly outlines that we are not. We are not responsible for these takes.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

And I. And I think sometimes we still feel encumbered by outside criticism for these takes.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But.

[Danny Kelly]

But these are not our responsibility, these takes. It's not us making these takes. It's whatever happens inside that 60 minute.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Window, professional credibility is suspended. Including things. Some of these things are things we don't even believe.

[Danny Kelly]

Correct? Most of them, perhaps almost all of them, yes.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Except the ones we get, right.

[Danny Kelly]

We believe intrusive thoughts. And so if these takes end up being right, I don't want credit for him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, there it is. I mean, it's my heart rate going 60 minutes. We have an hour. We're going to come out of this as different people, but it's time to either you gentlemen. Anyone want to go first?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I'll start.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay. Craig, please purge. Bathe in the light.

[Danny Kelly]

There's been a lot of criticism about the Miami Dolphins this year. The vibes are terrible. I think Miami's going to win 11 games and make the playoffs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. And I think Carlos is pumping his fist.

[Danny Kelly]

I think this has all gone way too far. Dk, how many games do you think they won last year? Last year was a disaster.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I was just about to look that up.

[Danny Heifetz]

Was it eight?

[Danny Kelly]

They won eight games.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Games last year like a fine team.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, they're fine. Totally fine.

[Danny Kelly]

In the games Tua has started and finished, the Dolphins are 38 and 20, which is a 65% win percentage.

[Danny Heifetz]

So their quarterback has to stay healthy, which is like every other team in the NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

Correct.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

65% win percentage. When Tua starts and finishes games, that's better than Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, C.J. stroud, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott. It's only behind.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Can I go further than that? You know what? 65% win percentages, roughly what Brady and Belichick won in the regular season together, is about two thirds of the game a TUA mvp.

[Danny Kelly]

It's only behind Mahomes, Lamar, Josh and Hertz. That winning percentage.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

So I'm kind of just like, you know what? I'm just going to zag on Miami. Everyone's like, vibes are terrible. I'm like, the vibes are terrible. Tyreek. Every single offseason, he's Tyreek Hill. You know what I mean? They also have the ninth easiest schedule in the league. Their first eight games, they play the Colts, the Pats, the Bills, the Jets, the Panthers, the Browns, the Falcons, and the Chargers. They can be six and two after week eight. You know, it's like their offensive line question marks. Sure. They tried to kind of revamp the middle of it. They also have sneaky, fantastic defensive line with Jalen Phillips. Bradley Chubb is back. Chop Robinson is a hit. I'm kind of.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Zach Sealer's good.

[Danny Kelly]

Zach Sealer's good. I'm kind of just like, Miami is the team that nobody is talking about, and every time to a plays, they fucking win.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can I get you to admit that Jalen Waddle is good in this?

[Danny Kelly]

In the take part?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think this is that even that hot. I think that this is.

[Danny Kelly]

I think every single person you're saying.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They'Re going to win 11 games and make the wild card round. Yeah, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Or I guess they could win the division, but I just, I think they will be in the playoffs and they're gonna win 11 games.

[Danny Heifetz]

I really like this. Yeah, I'm very into this. I love the. Whenever we have like preseason narratives and it seems like everyone agrees on something, I feel like that's definitely been. Things are just terrible in Miami. People are talking about Mike McDaniel getting canned at the end of the year.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, he's the odds leader for first coach fire.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

I would say outside of the teams that are like the true bottom of the barrel, like the Browns and stuff like that, the Saints quarterback situation, I think Miami has the like the quote unquote worst vibes in the NFL right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

This Kenneth Grant guy has gotten tons of hype in preseason.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Worst vibe, Browns, Colts.

[Danny Kelly]

I just said outside of the Browns and the Saints with like the bad quarterback, I guess you could have the Colts. But I'm saying outside of the teams that are considered to be bottom chan.

[Danny Heifetz]

Has been hurt all preseason. Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I. Overall, yeah, I think that I don't think the Dolphins are like a real.

[Danny Kelly]

Contender for a team that wins 65% of the time when their quarterback plays. I feel like the public sentiment around them is horrible.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Is it public sentiment? Is it our sentiment of us on our show that I've been kind of.

[Danny Heifetz]

I feel like I've been kind of pushing back a little, but I do like this. I want to piggyback on that a little bit.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

And this is just something I thought of right now. This was not pre planned, but like Ollie Gordon might be the best running back sleeper in all of fantasy football. Right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I agree. Jaylen Wright just got surgery. We're recording. We're so recording. Thursday, August 28th and this is coming out not Thursday, August, Labor Day. But yeah, Jalen Wright just got surgery. I agree. I think Ali Gordon is like a must add.

[Danny Heifetz]

Devon Hn is the type of running back where they're going to feed him a lot of opportunities, but he is not like a three down. Just pound him into the.

[Danny Kelly]

Like he needs a David Montgomery.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Like he needs a David Montgomery and.

[Danny Heifetz]

That'S the exact type of running back I think Ollie Gordon is. He's just a big, physical downhill guy. He's the perfect compliment to Devon Hn and now he has a Runway to be basically the 1B in this offense. We saw Raheem Moster a couple years ago and Achan. Both were top 10, whatever. They were. Top five running backs.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they were like two and three.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm not saying that the run game is going to be as good this year as it was that year, but I think there's a huge, huge opportunity here for, for Ollie Gordon to come in and like overshadow a lot of the other big time rookies that we've been talking about in the preseason. So he's. He was on my mind even before we started this, and so I'm piggybacking on that. Do you want me to go?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

This one is maybe like really obvious, but Breeze hall is going to be a league winner. I actually believe this somewhat in my heart. And I'm not just doing this to counter all the, like, off season narratives, basically. I don't think any player in fantasy, any big name player in fantasy has had a worse preseason than Breeze Hall. Like, he's fallen. I would like to see the stats on terms of like, adp, how many, how much he's fallen. But we've seen in the past a huge edge in fantasy can be to just completely fade preseason narratives. And a lot of it is narrative based. Everyone thinks Braylon hall is going to be this big new thing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They put the jerseys on and everyone's like, oh, yeah, jets, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

What?

[Craig Korlbeck]

You said the preseason narratives. But it's like people watch the preseason games and photos come out and they're like, oh, yeah, wait, he's on the Jets. I hate the Jets.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the jets and the jets have an awful history, of course. But I mean, that hasn't stopped us from liking Breeze hall in the past. Breeze hall was injured last year. He's still averaged 13 points per game. It wasn't like he was fucking terrible.

[Danny Kelly]

No, stop.

[Danny Heifetz]

He was 13 points per game.

[Danny Kelly]

That's fucking terrible for the guy you picked second in the league.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay?

[Danny Heifetz]

He was a disappointing relative to where you got him. He wasn't a fucking disaster.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I think he, he actually. I think he might have been the single biggest disaster in fantasy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay? So last year, and that's painting. I think that's definitely painting our impression of him this year. Let's do the last two seasons combined, okay? Because obviously there was a reason he was the number two pick in fantasy the last two seasons combined because we were all hot. No running back has more receiving yards than Braylon Allen. Only.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You mean Bristol is Ross Rachel saying the name wrong. Name in the altar.

[Danny Kelly]

Christ.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no. Running back has more receiving calls than receiving calls. Receding yards than hall last two seasons. Only Alvin Kamara has more targets and receptions than Breeze in the last few seasons. Only Rashad White and Devon Hn have scored more receiving touchdowns than Breeze hall in the last few seasons. I'm going to admit Braylon Hall, Braylon Allen, he's going to have a lot of carries in this offense but they're going to be the less valuable type. I think Breece hall is going to get a ton of receptions. Last year Justin Fields passed 22% of his passes to running backs which was let's see here, fifth among quarterbacks with 100 attempts last year. Justin Fields, what like basically what if Justin Fields is actually better for the jets offense than Aaron Rodgers was this year? Aaron Rodgers I think ruined the jets run game last year. The way that he plays quarterback, the way that he changes everything at the line, the way that he is constantly manipulating the play call based on what he sees on the defense and all that. It like a lot of runs checking into short throws with that kind of thing. I think it really with your run game. So I'm just, I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm zagging when everybody is out on Breeze Hall.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think this fundamentally what you're doing is a Warren Buffett by the dip of this guy was top five picks.

[Danny Heifetz]

Most importantly like big picture. I still think he's really good. Like I know that you don't believe that in your core. I still think he's good.

[Danny Kelly]

No look this is, this is what the essence of the take Bridges. This is correct. This is something you deep down maybe you don't even really believe but it's. It's bubbling up.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Also this is also the take purchase for because now I'm just going to think of Braylon Allen as just Rachel just Ross on this.

[Danny Kelly]

What was his who was the woman?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Emily. They were in the church in England and the whole thing and Rachel walked in and he said Rachel, you know stuff. That's kind of what he just did. But no overall to your point dk I actually originally felt this way like in early July I thought I was going to be big Breeze hall guy because of just the simple premise of he's going he was a first round pick going 50th and that just when does that happen for someone who isn't coming off an ACL or knee injury or 30. Yeah and he's none of those things. He's totally healthy. Like it's just really rare. And also jets have an awesome offensive line like every Like, I think Justin.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fields is going to augment their run game, whereas Aaron Rodgers made it worse. I think the way that Justin Fields can run is going to open up run lanes. Like, like you see with a lot of, like the read option type quarterbacks, it holds a defender, so it creates more space.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Lamar and Derek, Kenry, Jalen, Hurts and Saquon.

[Danny Heifetz]

Um, the other thing I was going to say here, and I'm trying to remember my point because I got derailed.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Breeze Hall. His name's Breeze Hall.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, I guess just the other thing is, like, there's a lot of assumptions being made with Braylon Allen where he's like this big dude who looks good in the preseason, but he did that last year too, and then completely fucking faded. And I think, like, we're doing the same thing with Braille out. I do like Braylon Allen. I'm not saying I don't.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We're.

[Danny Kelly]

We're wish casting Braylon, right?

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's still really young and really inexperienced.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that's a great. That's a great, like, example of. I think, like, a lot of the narrative has been like, he's 21 years old. Like, okay, that's bad. So it's Kyle Pitts.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There are interns at wherever you work that are older than Braylon Allen. Like, sometimes that's bad.

[Danny Heifetz]

I just, I look at the Breeze hall narrative and again, I don't think anyone's had a worse preseason than Breeze hall in terms of like the big names in fantasy football. And I'm just like, I feel like it's gone too far.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think this is true. I think this is good.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree.

[Craig Korlbeck]

These are, like, really convincing. I'm surprised. These are take purge takes. I think these are just like really well reasoned arguments, but they're things. Your souls aren't as corrupt as mine.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like, know if I even believe this?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I might not. No, you. You do.

[Danny Heifetz]

I do, but I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, do I actually think Miami's going to win, like 11 games? Probably not.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right?

[Danny Kelly]

But at night.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. When you're staying up at night. Yeah. Speaking of, I have something.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, you know what? All right, go.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I have some stuff I got to get off my chest, guys.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, let's hear it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Are you guys ready?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, hold on, let me spill this.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Lacroix on, please. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be awesome this year.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Obviously I had that coming.

[Danny Heifetz]

Next.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think. I think the Steelers are going to be really good. Yeah, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Aaron, me too. Baby, let's cook. Let's do it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Aaron Rogers has a really weird, like a really underratedly weird thing going on of just this crazy full circle arc of Brett Favre's career where he's played exactly 15 years for the Packers. Goes to the jets, then. Yeah, like, then goes to the Jets.

[Danny Kelly]

Wanted to go to the Vikings.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wanted to go to the Vikings. Yeah, Jets. And then now I kind of think the same thing's going to happen where Aaron Rodgers is going to be like borderline story of the season. How well he's playing, like elite, like with Mahomes or Josh Allen, but like, well, like they're going to win a lot of games and I think the Steelers are going to like make the AFC championship.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm erect right now.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I also think Aaron Rodgers is going to throw like Brett Favre back breaking interception in a game they should win and the Steelers will lose literally on the last play of the game being a Rogers interception. And then he will retire. And like, I. Yeah, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I want.

[Danny Heifetz]

Then he'll steal money from some like thing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're a comedy podcast. And Pat McAfee, because he said that. Very litigious. Brett Favre. I know.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, What I wrote down was the Steelers and Rodgers are going to work and no one in media will know how to handle it. No one's going to know what to do.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't know what to say. No, no. This is how we handle it. Aaron Rodgers is going to be play great. Because it's actually not Aaron Rodgers. It's a crisis actor.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, I do think this is going to work. Mike Tomlin's not Robert Sala and the Steelers aren't the Jets.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. Okay. What I wanted to add to this is that I think we collectively undersell the fact that Rogers tore his fucking. At 39 years old, came back and wasn't that good on the fucking Jets.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And everyone's like cooked, washed, terrible, ruined. The team sucks.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I'm like, yeah, pan to Sean Fennesee. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, Kirk Cousins was fucking benched at 36 years old coming off a torn Achilles. To me, it's a miracle. Rogers played all 17 games and threw 28 touchdowns. At 40 years old coming off a torn Achilles. I think that's actually extremely impressive.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think just. Yeah, he's gonna, it's probably gonna work.

[Danny Kelly]

He'll figure it out a year after that, it's like we always do the year after the year after. And I get that he's old and all that stuff. But I'm like, the Steelers might have the best defense in the NFL. They have the most competent coach in the NFL, unlike Robert Sala. I don't know, man. Like, The Steelers won 10 games with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields and no wide receivers. They won 10 games with Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph and Mitch Trubisky. And they won nine games with rookie Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I, I kind of just, I'm a little. I think they're going to do a lot of two to like, like multiple tight end stuff that's going to fix a running game. And I. Look, I still have all my concerns about how it could go wrong, but I all. I just kind of think Rogers is actually underrated now. He's fine. He'll be better. Like the Steelers are not the jets.

[Danny Kelly]

The Steelers, they're gonna be good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're gonna make the playoffs. It's gonna be fun.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I like, I like all your arguments.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think they make sense logically. I think the only hole in this whole thing that, that could be a fatal flaw is that he's 41 years old.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, sure, but that's, but that's also.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like maybe he just won't get back to being good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's why everyone agrees he can't do it. Like Sheil Capati, our co worker here keeps saying that the only guy who's ever done the 40 year old thing is Brady and Farve.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, well who, who's the, who's the best quarterback other than Tom Brady of this century?

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's what I'm saying. I want to say she's like, you know what? None of them are, none of them are old enough to have done tried it yet. You know, Brady, like, I don't know. I agree. I actually think it's gonna be fine. Can I give it related. Any of the Rogers thoughts you want to purchase? I mean, you have a lot of Rogers related stuff here.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I have, I have thoughts about like that he doesn't want to get hit narrative and all that stuff.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm like, okay, well this is the moment.

[Danny Kelly]

First of all, who, who does want to get hit? Okay. I mean he had the, he had the ninth running backs.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I guess. But quarterbacks will take hits. There's a difference.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure. Okay. But I'm like, does any quarterback like over 34 want to get hit? That's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, but like even Matt Stafford last year, like they're taking hits to make throws and I think the difference is Rogers.

[Danny Kelly]

Aaron Rodgers was sacked the 9th most times last year and everyone's like, oh, the deep ball game, all this stuff. Yeah, his air yards per attempt was low. He was, he was throwing short passes. But you know, it was above Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Jared Goff. His time to throw is basically the same as Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Dak Prescott. I'm kind of just like, I'm sick of cherry picking certain stats that Aaron Rodgers has that a lot of other great quarterbacks.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I can't wait for Carlos to take a clip of Craig from like a month ago. No, no. Look at all these people. Just look at Rogers's stats.

[Danny Kelly]

No. Where are we right now? I don't know what, what. This is basically severance.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know what Audi. Craig is saying.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Speaking of which, I have another Steelers related thing while we're talking about. All professional credibility has been suspended and you can't prove that I said this.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Craig Korlbeck]

George Pickens will be out of the NFL in two years. Oh, like George Pickens is gonna. George Pickens will be on the Birmingham Stallions in two seasons.

[Danny Kelly]

Why? What happens?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Because Mike Tomlin gave up on him and Mike literally. It is just a graveyard of players. Mike Tomlin gave up on literally, like if. I mean Antonio Brown, like went to Looney Tune land after he left Deontay. Do you know like a third of the way into the season last year Deontay Johnson was third in targets in the NFL. He has since been on four teams in 11 months and there will probably not be a fifth guy like Le'Veon Bell became a boxer shortly after he left the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like Juju. Juju Smith Schuster has not averaged 20 yards a game in the last two seasons. Chase Claypool is 27 years old. Do you know what team Chase Claypool is on? Can either of you tell me?

[Danny Heifetz]

Cfl?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think he's on a team.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's not on a team. He's 27. I'm just saying. George Pickens, they decided not to pay him. Now, I know what you're thinking. I bet Jerry Jones did such a good job vetting George Pickens. Right? That's. Come on. Right? There's no way. The Cowboys just kind of went on their draft grade and rep and they totally did their. I don't need to feel like this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is a hot take.

[Danny Kelly]

I.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is like. This is like a normal take.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We're in the sixth round.

[Danny Kelly]

I believe Bill said this like earlier.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But he's Just like, mean. Fine. But he's just going alongside Jameson Williams. And meanwhile, like, I don't know, isn't the mean. All right, fine. Me. All right, fine, fine.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, hold on.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Didn't realize that was such a soft take.

[Danny Heifetz]

It is very soft.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. It's a little soft. I mean, saying George Pickens is. Is a wild card.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay, fine. All right, fine. You want a hot take then?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right. Bill Belichick's going to crush at unc. They're going to be like, maybe they're going to be with Clemson winning the, like, winning the ACC next season.

[Danny Heifetz]

What's going to be. What is going to be the phrase that they trademark after this year, after they win the national title. Think about that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, yeah, the digging for gold on a Cincinnati. Yeah. I don't know. But no. And also, I think the Belichick thing's going to work. I really do. I. I'm like, I'm. I'm serious about this. I have been. This has been rattling around my head for months.

[Danny Kelly]

But again, is this a hot take?

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm saying. I'm saying College Football Playoff, like it's going to work. Like they're going to be seriously in contagious.

[Danny Heifetz]

I seriously doubt it. For the national championship does feel hot enough to me.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Who is talking about this? I'm just saying. Everyone's just kind of joking, writing it off. And I look at the. Before you Google it, the odds for them to win the acc, what do you think they are? Not the College Football. The ACC. Duke is 25 to 1. What do you think UNC is?

[Danny Kelly]

You're saying this.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You said for this year. What do you think the odds are?

[Danny Kelly]

Are you making the bet that they're going to win this year, next year?

[Craig Korlbeck]

No. Well, I'm saying I actually think they'll do it next year. But I'm saying this season, Duke is 25 to 1. What do you. And also what is the UNC is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Going to be in the line?

[Craig Korlbeck]

It is 45 to 1 college football playoff.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's your.

[Danny Kelly]

No, that means. That means they win the acc.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, no. I'm saying, what's your take?

[Craig Korlbeck]

My take is this is going to work. And I think that they're going to be this year.

[Danny Kelly]

You're saying the odds are important this year, but they're also not going to.

[Craig Korlbeck]

What I'm actually thinking. So what I think is going to happen is that I think we're going to look at this and Bill Belichick is going to coach fucking circles. Around all these guys, like, we're going to get to week four and realize that Bill Belichick is the greatest game planner of our lifetime and our father's lifetimes ever. In the end, like we've seen in football. And he's going to be coaching. Gets fucking Mario Cristobal and all. If you talk to assistant college coaches, they all tell you, these head coaches in college, they don't know as much football as you think. They're recruiters. They're hucksters. They would be another life with fewer, like, breaks, like great car salesmen or something else. They're recruiters. They don't have to recruit anymore. That's what the money's for. We're in this in between era where these guys with these jobs, like Bill Belichick's walking in when he demonstrates that Belichick is serious about this job this year. I think they're going to, they have to be like, the recording. This is going to come out, I think Monday, Labor Day, their first games. Tonight versus tcu. They might get rocked. I don't care. By the end of the season, I think it's going to be clear that Belichick is going to care. He's going to be. And once it's demonstrated to these kids this is not a joke, he's actually taking this seriously, he's going to dominate the transfer portal.

[Danny Kelly]

Jordan tells the students that real and this is not a joke, but for.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Real, I do think that the transfer portal is going to bend his way over the off season. And then they're going to have their pick of all these talented kids, and he's going to pick the work ethic and mental profiles of all these talented kids. And this 20, 26 with a real team, I think they're going to be like a fucking, like, sub powerhouse. I think it's going to work, man.

[Danny Kelly]

Is this, that Bill Belichick, the best coach ever in football in two years.

[Danny Heifetz]

We gotta stop with the, we gotta stop with the in two years thing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I said this.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's a seven out of 10. I think if you said they're gonna win the ACC this year, that's a take. That's a hot take.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I, I, I'm surprised.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, once Bill Belichick gets a year of recruiting and they get to two years under his belt, they'll be really good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm saying 45 to 1 this year. And I'm saying, I straight up think they're gonna like, like, be in the ACC title game. I'm here's the thing. You're saying this is lukewarm. When I tell this to people.

[Danny Kelly]

They last year listing the odds of this year, but you're talking about next year. What are the odds going to be next year?

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right, fine, whatever that fucking win this year. I don't give a shit. I think it's going to work.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, you know what I mean? Yeah, they're like, they're like 8th out of 15 in the odds right now, but if they finish the season strong and next year they're like a top three bet. Is that. Is that a hot T?

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, but when I say win the acc, I'm not saying like that's the stop. I'm saying when they win the acc, you're in the cultural playoff. I guess what I'm trying to say is they will be in the mix to win the national championship after the season.

[Danny Kelly]

It's going to be like Georgia and Bama and Oregon and Ohio State.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Like we're going to get North Carolina versus Georgia in the college football playoff games. Yeah, maybe I'm not being clear enough. When I say win the ACC means you get to fucking. Maybe you're going to be in the final four teams. Like it's going to be a real game.

[Danny Heifetz]

Goes golfing with Tate once and t.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Everyone else laughs at me, man. Tate's the only one who knows.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think, I think, I think this is hot enough. I do.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't want to hear this isn't a hot take.

[Danny Heifetz]

I do doubt. I have. I have some doubts and I'm cynical that he's going to be able to like connect with college aged people.

[Danny Kelly]

Connecting with one right now every night.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Have you heard one person who fair. That was really good. Have you heard one person who doesn't.

[Danny Kelly]

Go to every night?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's got that kind of energy. Come on. Oh, God.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, well, I rest. I'll stop. I take that. I take it back.

[Danny Kelly]

Can I. I want to stay in the college range.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Please.

[Danny Kelly]

I think like, Liam Cohen is going to be coaching like UCLA next. Oh, come on. And Trevor Lawrence going to be on the Saints. Yeah, I think that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wait, how do you get on the Saints?

[Danny Kelly]

He's just not going to be on the Saints.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're going to punt on.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. If you look at. So Liam Cohen brought nobody from Tampa Bay with him because he couldn't because he left at the last second after Trent Balky left. He was going to stay in Tampa Bay. Then he went to Jacksonville. So he brought nobody with him and he's just figuring this out. They spent a first round pick next year to get Travis Hunter this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Which I love Travis Hunter. And like they paid. Like he will play both ways. Not like he could.

[Danny Kelly]

Correct. If you look at the. Do you dk, can you tell me the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator of the Jags?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Damn it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't test me on this. I know it's a weird named guy on the Jags.

[Danny Kelly]

You're talking about the oc.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Grant Yudinsky.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, that's what he'd been.

[Danny Kelly]

Grant Yudinsky is 29 years old.

[Danny Heifetz]

Grant Yudinsky.

[Danny Kelly]

He's 29 years old.

[Danny Heifetz]

In fairness, I don't really need to know his name because it's Liam Cohen's offense.

[Danny Kelly]

But their defensive coordinator, Anthony Campanile has never called plays before. And Liam Cohen, they're kind of lean. Cohen has five years of NFL coaching experience. I'm not talking about play calling. Five years in general of NFL coaching experience. And their GM is Doogie Howser.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Did you collectively lack a lot of experience.

[Danny Kelly]

Like the average age for those.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Not for those listening who don't know. When we were at the combine, I went to James Gladstone, the Jaguars GM's press conference, and I just thought it was a PR assistant, like setting up the, setting up the microphone. And then he started talking in. My jaw dropped because I just assumed, well, he's 25. He's not. I can't wait to see the GM.

[Danny Heifetz]

So yeah, I will say everything concerning everything the Jags are doing, if it doesn't work in like a year or two, we'll be like, well, that obviously wasn't going to work.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, are we super confident in the Jacksonville ownership situation? Trevor Lawrence has been bad for five straight years and they have a 29 year old offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator who's never called plays, a head coach who has nobody with him from his staff in Tampa Bay. That was a super stable situation, you know, with a good offensive line.

[Craig Korlbeck]

When you put it like that, I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's going to be a college coach again. He'll be getting Will Levis drafted again.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Can I add that? Then Trevor Lawrence shaves, cuts his hair for once and then he becomes great somewhere else.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that's good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

When he cuts his hair. Harry is going to be awesome.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I think this is a good take.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is pretty good to say it, to be honest.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I also haven't, I feel like I haven't heard that the like great Trevor Lawrence buzz this off season. No like, man, he. He's figured it out. It's a whole different situation. Him and Liam Cohen are, like, firing on. I just haven't heard any of that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a little disconcerting.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a little quiet down there. Pretty good in Florida.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's pretty good to get. You want one or you want. You want me to go, or you got another one?

[Danny Heifetz]

I got one. I thought of this this morning.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Thanks.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Great.

[Danny Heifetz]

Debo Samuel is going to outscore Terry McLaren in fantasy. And I want to be clear. This is not Terry McLaurin hate. This is more Debo Samuel is a great sleeper. So here's this. Number one. He's not that fat. All right?

[Danny Kelly]

He's not that.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's not that fat. He's only. He's husky, and that's kind of been his thing for a long time. He's, like, basically a running back.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He'S fat.

[Danny Kelly]

He's not.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's not that fat. He's.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, it's the first thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

He might even be in pretty good shape. I haven't seen him lately. You know, training camp is hard. It's hot out there. They're running around. Maybe he's lost some weight, trimmed up a bit. Number two. Here's my argument.

[Danny Kelly]

Here's my argument. Maybe not that maybe.

[Danny Heifetz]

Maybe he's trimmed up a bit.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Okay. It's hot on the east coast right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

You're in Washington, but more importantly.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, yeah, you saw it. I've been on the ground. I've been doing my reporting. It is hot in Washington, D.C. in August.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, it's on a swamp. Heifers always says it.

[Danny Kelly]

It is built on a swamp that we're draining.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You're doing great. I never would have known you came up with this today.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, but here's the deal. I'm actually. I do actually kind of feel this way because in this offense, it's going to be, I think, concentrated with McLaurin and Debo, there's not a lot of other competition right now in. Who's their number three receiver right now? Craig. Can you name him?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Dude.

[Danny Kelly]

Luke McCaffrey. McCaffrey. I was about to say.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think. I don't even think he's. I think right now, Jalen Lane, the rookie, is in front of live. Yeah, probably McCaffrey. So basically, it's going to be. It's going to be a concentrated offense. We're putting a lot on Bill Crosby, Merritt's shoulders in terms of, like, Projecting what he can bring.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Our first overall pick.

[Danny Heifetz]

When they, when they traded away Brian Robinson, I can't remember who it was either Dan Quinn or maybe it was Cliff. He was basically saying our offense is going to be a little unconventional, which to me is like they're going to try and turn Debo back into the old Debo. During his all pro season where he was essentially a wing back, he was playing receiver, playing running back. He's probably going to get a lot of goal line touches because of the, the way that he can stretch the offense horizontally. Think about that with Jaden Daniels at quarterback. I, I just am very excited to see how he's utilized. I think he's going to be, I think he's going to have way more touches and way more opportunities than we're expecting right now. And he's going to has the opportunity to score a lot of touchdowns.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a good call that losing them, trading Brian Robinson, a lot of people was like, oh, obviously Bill Crosky, Merritt, it's a huge boon for him. But I do think we haven't talked enough about what that actually means for Debo Samuel because they have Bill Merritt, the seventh rounder and outside of that they have like Chris Rodriguez and, and Austin Eckler.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Austin Eckler also led the league in touchdowns. Over to your span with Anthony Lynn, who's the run game coordinator for Washington, and Debo Samuel Moonlitz as a running back. And you didn't even mention the Deebo Samuel being fat thing. Started when he was out of shape, entering a con. He had a contract issue in a contract year this year. Like he's playing for a contract. And again, he had pneumonia last year and played a football game five days later. Most people get pneumonia, can't walk up the stairs for a few days.

[Danny Heifetz]

Absolutely. This is the ultimate buy low opportunity on Debo.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, it's like, oh, wow. His yards per game went cut in half after he got pneumonia.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can't breathe.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Fatso.

[Danny Heifetz]

You can't breathe when you have pneumonia. Your lungs are full.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I like this. You know, I like this one, dk.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I am.

[Danny Heifetz]

I landed the plane.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There you go. Good job.

[Danny Kelly]

He's not that fat.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't actually think he's fat. I think he's just built. That's just how he's built.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he thick.

[Craig Korlbeck]

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[Danny Kelly]

Isn't Texas like the first number one seed to be underdogs in like 20 years or something crazy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Which they. I mean, yeah, both sounds right. Like I don't know if you, how.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you be the number one seed if you're not favored in the first game?

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's a funny test because Ohio State.

[Danny Heifetz]

Number one ranked team.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

People get mad when the the national champion loses all their good players. Like I mean a Buka and Henderson, all these guys like and I mean will Howard like everyone lose. Like oh, you're automatically number one. But it's also funny.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a great team.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, it's just, it's a funny thing. So yeah, I just kind of want to bet on Arch in particular.

[Danny Kelly]

Like you want to take Texas?

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's weird because I guess when I sit they're the number one team but they feel like the underdog like they literally are. If Archman comes in and throws for 400 yards, like that's cool. I will say if Archman gets wall like no matter what happens it's cool for content. But I do that game is going to be awesome. So yeah, I'm rolling with Archman. I think the world will be a little more fun if archmanning is actually cool. Actually good at football. So bet confidently because with a no sweat bet, even your first miss comes with a second chance. Download the FanDuel app now or head to FanDuel.com Ringer Fantasy to get started must be 21 + and present in select states or 18 + and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required refund issued as non withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Max refund $5 unless otherwise specified restrictions apply including token expiration. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org ChatInElectric this episode is brought to you by Disney, Hulu and the new ESPN app. For the first time ever, get all of ESPN along with Disney and Hulu. With an incredible limited time offer, it's all the entertainment you need for just $29.99 a month for 12 months. Visit Disney Hulu ESPNbundle.com for details. Ad supported plan auto renews at Regular price. Currently 35.99amonth. Subject to change unless canceled. Ends January 5, 2026. Terms apply. Can I get another one off my chest? The top five fantasy quarterbacks off the board next year will be in order. Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson. Jaden Daniels. Jalen Hurts. Ooh.

[Danny Kelly]

Don't tell me you're not going to say Drake May.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's Jackson. Darth. Okay, sick.

[Danny Kelly]

That's awesome.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm so.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm dark. I'm a dart head. What's the dart Nick? Like, what's the fan?

[Craig Korlbeck]

He doesn't need a nickname.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no.

[Danny Heifetz]

What's the fan group ripping for?

[Danny Kelly]

Dart.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dart Rippers.

[Danny Kelly]

The dart Rippers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Dart ripper. Yeah. Ripping darts. Yeah. Dart rip. Dart Darth. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

The lung darts?

[Danny Kelly]

The dart ears.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, Darty.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a dart like a day party.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. No, I think he's gonna be good. He's gonna be awesome. I'm so in.

[Danny Kelly]

This one's great. I. I debated doing darty, boys. I debated doing that. The Giants are just going to make the playoffs this year.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, you want to go further?

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay. This is this professional credibility suspended. Right? You're talking about intrusive thoughts.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Do you remember when Russell Wilson hit that, that 80 yard touchdown in the preseason versus the Bills? He hit that and I was like, the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl.

[Danny Heifetz]

So is it going to be Russell Wilson or dart?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Both. I think they're going to miss a match all the season. I think, like the whole season, like.

[Danny Kelly]

They'Re going to go, what do you mean?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Sometimes it's a full story. This was how football was like in the six 50s and 60s. Sometimes was like they actually would flip at halftime. But I do think we've lost the plot. No, but, like, I can put it this way. I know it sounds and I know it's a little irrational.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like, men would cheat on their wives.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, I think Russ plays eventually. But like, I don't know because I think the Giants can be better than you think. But here's why the deep Giants? Obviously the Giants beat the Patriots a couple of times with a quarterback. Everyone else thinks it's pretty mediocre. And Eli Manning and a defensive line that was unbelievable. This Giants defensive line, honestly is probably.

[Danny Heifetz]

We've seen this movie before.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's going to be better. Here's the thing. This defensive line has a serious chance to be better than the defensive lines that beat the Patriots both times.

[Danny Kelly]

The top four is probably better than any other top four in the league.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yes. But here's the thing that one had. I mean, the edge rushers, the depth was crazy. It was like Strahan and OC Manure and they had Justin Tuck and all these guys. And like, maybe the edge group isn't quite as good as those guys. But you have Abdul Carter, Brian Burns, probably the best number two pass rusher in the NFL, cave on Thibodeau, who's not the number one you wanted. But I'm pretty crazy over rotational pass, right? To be a rotational guy. And his whole thing is he's really good at pressuring the quarterback, but he's. He hasn't been able to finish sacks. But like he's been training this whole off season on like the actual art of like finishing and taking down the quarterback. So if he actually, that works, that's pretty crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Here's the training in the art of finishing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Craig, I, you know what? I. I was. You told me to power through and.

[Danny Kelly]

Like that's what Bill's doing and you had right now.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But I'm just saying the difference is those. Dexter Lawrence is like the best defensive line in the NFL. Like, like the Giants never had defensive tackle like Dexter Lawrence and all this. It's almost like if those teams had like a sub like a level below a JJ Watt during that era. So my point being, if that's the case, the Giants just need to make the playoffs. Because here's the thing, too. The cornerbacks suck. The cornerbacks suck. On most NFL teams. There were three, maybe four teams very.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hard to play corner.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There are no. So here's the thing. Every team in the nfc, who in the NFC got better this year? The Lions are much worse. The Eagles are still great and clearly favorites, but they are worse.

[Danny Kelly]

Who got better? Dallas.

[Craig Korlbeck]

How? With who? They got their quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Pickens.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay, so fine.

[Danny Kelly]

They got Tyler, Booker, Dak.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, sure.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's not a team I'm afraid of, frankly, in a Super bowl caliber contender. I'm just saying, like the Lions are much worse. The packers have no cornerbacks or pass rush at all. The Vikings have a rookie quarterback and if that doesn't work out like the guy behind J.J. mcCarthy is Carson Wentz.

[Danny Kelly]

The Falcons got better.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Sure, the Falcons. But that's my point is it's not insane. I don't know. They're. They added a rookie golden. I'm like there's cute. They have no edge rush. They have no cornerbacks. The Giants have no quarterbacks. But they have an awesome pass rush. My point is if the Giants sneak into the fucking playoffs, even with the hardest schedule in the NFL on paper.

[Danny Kelly]

You can make sure happen in a while.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You're going to be shocked if the Giants are the great defensive line beat the Cowboys or the Falcons or the Packers. No, you'd only be shocked if they beat the Eagles. The Lions are a good example of like Lions are awesome. That defense, you have 14 guys coming off injury. They're not all healthy. That's 14 guys rehabbing injuries last year. Like I'm just saying only the Eagles and Lions to me qualify as like shocking wins. Even the Buccaneers got worse. Like I just. The Giants could make a run and I'm watching and I'm like, you know what they the only shocking team in the NFC to me is the Eagles. Otherwise the Giants I do think are going to be able to give a game to everyone else in the conference.

[Danny Kelly]

I like this Heifetz. I do.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a well crafted take.

[Danny Kelly]

I believe in Darth.

[Danny Heifetz]

Afraid that he believes it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I have been. Me too.

[Danny Heifetz]

Terrified.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. The only thing that's tough about it, I guess that's like the schedule sucks. That's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's hard.

[Danny Kelly]

That's unfortunate. Which they got. They got a draw with that having the hard schedule in the league.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'll always be a football optimist because The Giants started 2007. 02 and then beat the Patriots who went 18 0. So I'll always be a like a football romantic. But I do look generally the nfc every. All the good teams are trending down. The AFC is harder like the Ravens, the Bills. All these teams are like kind of plateauing.

[Danny Kelly]

Joe Burrow can't even make the playoffs in the afc. That's how hard.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And I'm like I. Yeah. So. But. But I just again great defense and again the offensive line. You kind of just need to have a Neil to become a competent guard. But the O line, if the O line solid Malik neighbors is better than anyone those Giants teams had. It just.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not if the quarterback's good in electric. I mean all the pieces. You have all the pieces that you need. You're like an electric playmaker, Malik Neighbors, and you have the defensive line.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm just saying there.

[Danny Heifetz]

There are some parallels. It does remind me, I will admit, of just the early days of the Russell Wilson era, where Russell came in and electrified the offense and kind of made it more exciting. And, you know, they. They at that time, and that was early on when sort of the read option was coming back into the NFL. But they adopted that. They embraced it. They. They built their offense around like Marshawn lynch and Russell Wilson being able to do that and his deep ball. It wasn't like he was like a really, you know, he wasn't attacking all areas of the field and like dropping back and, you know, dicing up people. He was. He was basically good at like a handful of things, and he did that really well. So I don't know. There are some parallels to that dude.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And also, I really do believe Abdul Carter is going to be like a Micah Parsons level figure. Like, I think it's just going to be amazing really quickly.

[Danny Kelly]

I hope the Giants are good. I think it'd be really. It's a. It's a great.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fun to see.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And again, the weakness of the Giants is cornerbacks on defense. I can't tell you. Go down the list of NFL teams. Tell me who has good cornerbacks other than the Ravens, the Texans, and the Cardinals. Like, find me. Even the Eagles fans are like, they think the cornerbacks after Quinn and Mitchell and DeJean are the weaknesses. Like, you know what I mean? It's like there's five teams at most that have a good secondary.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay. Anything else that was. I can't tell you how long it holds.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let's ask for some dart heads like the Jackson Dart Club names.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right.

[Danny Kelly]

Should I go?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Please.

[Danny Kelly]

I've been thinking a lot about kind of just like the. I've seen enough idea, the year one test. And more and more now, I'm actually starting to believe that just like, if you sucked in year one, you're going to suck. And if you were good in year one, that means you're good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

And like, that's kind of it.

[Danny Heifetz]

More often than not, I think all.

[Danny Kelly]

The quarterbacks who were bad last year are just bad. And I think all the quarterbacks who were good last year are good. And it's usually like the second you start playing, you kind of know if you're good or not. The second Justin Herbert played, we knew he was good. Jaden Daniels, we knew he was good. Mahomes, we knew he was good. Brock Purdy, kind of the second he played like, that guy's good. You know who wasn't good? Trevor Lawrence. Caleb Williams. He wasn't good, and I don't think he's going to be good. And you can. Trevor Lawrence. Oh, you had Urban Meyer. Caleb Williams was a mess in Chicago. I kind of don't care. It's not like Herbert walked into the perfect situation.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Jaden Daniels didn't walk into a perfect situation. So more and more I'm like, Anthony Richardson sucked. And you know what? He sucks. He was bad in year one. He's bad.

[Danny Heifetz]

What happened to development?

[Danny Kelly]

Justin Fields league? He was bad.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Year one point there is done. It's like you sink or swim. I like this.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I'm like, if you were bad in year one, I don't actually don't care about the situation.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Honestly, what you're. It sounds like a joke. But to your point, what happened to development? They used to develop quarterbacks, and now the art of quarterback development's dead. So to your point, if you don't have time to do it, throw you in the pool, and if you can't swim, then you're, you're. I mean, you're done.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, I, I see Jackson Dart, if Jackson Dart plays the first month of the season, he's good. I'm like, all right, he's good.

[Danny Heifetz]

So what do you say? The. The counter to that would be. Yeah, the obvious one is Jared Goff, who is like the worst rookie quarterback of all time.

[Danny Kelly]

The.

[Danny Heifetz]

The other count. The other counters to that would be Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith. Are those. Were those guys bad?

[Danny Kelly]

I think more what I'm getting at is like, those guys are fine starters, but they are not guys.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But also all those guys have a lot in common, which is Gino almost is a different category because he's a backup for like eight years. And I almost think you need to put him separately, I think, because. But the, the other guys, Goff, Baker, I mean, they both went number one overall. Darnold is also like a top three pick. Gino's like a second rounder who sat for eight years and the Giants tried to play. The other guys are all. When they went to a situation with either. I mean, Sean McVeigh is like the modern Bill Walsh are all awesome offensive lines with pretty great skill, talent. And I will say that, to me, is because I feel like I've been the chief person of, like, quarterbacks fail or organizations fail. Young quarterbacks before quarterbacks fail organizations. But I don't even feel like that is in conflict with it because I'm. What I'm saying is, if the situation's right, these guys can be better than you think. But I also kind of see what you're saying where, like, none of those guys could have gone to Washington last year and been good. I'm like, yeah, kind of like, C.J.

[Danny Kelly]

Stroud was just good. He walked into the shitty Texans. It was good. He had. He had a bad play caller, Bobby. He was just good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why was he bad last year, then?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I mean, I believe that C.J. stroud is like a guy. I believe C.J. stroud.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't think Stroud was bad. The offense was bad and Stroud was there. But to his point, we saw enough from Stroud that the idea that Stroud isn't good is ridiculous to me.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, I, I even, like, I saw Bo Nix last year. I'm like, bonix is good. Caleb's not.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, I'm not.

[Danny Kelly]

And that's kind of how I feel.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think, well, anything else? I have a Bo. Next note. But this is a good point. I like this.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right.

[Danny Kelly]

It's kind of the opposite of nature versus nurture, but not really. It's a little. It's a little spun off of that. But I. I just more than ever believe in the year one test, regardless of context. I'm just like, if I watch you when you're good versus if I watch you. What about Josh Howard? Yeah, look, he's like the exception that proves the rule. Like, there are situations like that that. Especially with quarterbacks who run like, Josh Allen.

[Danny Heifetz]

Where are you at on Bryce Young?

[Danny Kelly]

See, like, I. He's a good one. He was bad year one. And to be honest, like, I don't think Bryce Young is like, the guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who can be like a quarterback franchise.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he can be a starter in the league, but I, I don't think he could be like a top eight guy. I don't.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't even mind this. It sounds like the opposite of what I always say, but I actually think they could exist in conjunction where it's like, if you give up on these elite guys, that can still be like, above average quarterbacks in great situations with the right coaching and the right talent. But to your point, if you want an elite quarterback, you kind of see it immediately. And I do think that unless you're Josh Allen, who's the best physical. Josh Allen was Cam Newton again, like, without the college success But Josh Allen was a Cam Newton build, which is. You can't compare other people to that. So unless you're a Cam Newton build. I agree, like eliteness kind of shows immediately and competency can be achieved with a great like Baker Goff. What they've not that's above competency. That's like you can have a great offense if everything around them is. But really what we're saying with that is those guys can be a reflection of their surrounding circumstances. And if the coordinators, the line and skill groups are great, Baker Goff, et cetera can reflect that greatness, the level.

[Danny Kelly]

Of your situation, those guys.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And you're saying the people who rise above the situation for the most part, rise immediately. I actually, I actually honestly, I do think that's kind of been my.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, Trevor Lawrence will never win a Super Bowl.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Kyler Murray will never win when he cuts his hair. He's gonna, he's gonna win a Super Bowl. I'm gonna bet so much money when Trevor Lawrence goes to say everyone is at me on every social media. When Trevor Lawrence goes to save there. I do want to mention B. Knicks because this talk about things that I just true take purges rattling around my head. I think B. Knicks is going to be better than Drew Brees.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Are you going to break all the records going to like, I think like he's literally have a better career. He's like a true breeze could run. And here's the thing. Everyone listening now has probably lost me. All the ghosts are screaming. They're like, this is a hot take. And I will say, I will say I love it. I will say this, whatever. Unlike obviously, however unlikely you think it is that Bonex could achieve what Drew Brees did, I think this is almost inarguable. Drew Brees achieving what Drew Brees did was at the time far more unlikely than Bo. Nick's doing it now because Drew Brees was the first pick of the second round and then basically had what many people thought was a career ending injury to his throwing arm to the point where Nick Saban and the Dolphins failed his medical. They wouldn't even sign him as a free agent, which is the single biggest sliding doors probably the 21st century in the NFL. So I'm not saying like, I'm just saying Drew Brees going on and having the career he did is frankly one of the. It's up there with Kurt Warner. It's one of the least likely career things that's happened in the entire 21st century. After the injury had he was failed by a medical team in free agency. So with that said, when I watch Bo Nix, I'm like, what if we pretend that Bo Nix had Caleb Williams height? If I just pretend we do the Freaky Friday. If I just pretend. If I just pretend that I thought Bo Nix was going to be great the whole time, I'm like, huh, Broncos have a top 5o line, top 5 coach who's been doing this forever and still understands how to win in the NFL. I'm like, I kind of think Bonix is going to do this for like 15 years except he can run and I don't think it's going to stop.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, this is absolutely absurd, but sure, I think Drew Brees is second all time in passing yards.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, he's going to pass him.

[Danny Heifetz]

He has a Super bowl title.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, he's gonna get two.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is just stupid. Okay, but here's my, here's my.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Becoming the all time leading pastor in 2006 was preposterous.

[Danny Kelly]

Top 15 pick in the draft. All right, Drew Brees, what? Second round.

[Danny Heifetz]

Here's my take. J.J. mcCarthy's gonna outscore Bo Nix this year in fantasy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I mean I just got a.

[Danny Heifetz]

Gut feeling about JJ McCarthy. I don't know what it is. I just think in this offense with Kevin o', Connell, who over the years he's had a very like in. I think the assumption is, and I've kind of talked about this too and so I'm like probably guilty of this too. But I think the assumption is they're going to be like really run heavy. They're going to take everything off of the quarterback's shoulders and just try and run and be balanced and all that. But if you go back over the years, Kevin McConnell's offenses have been really in terms of pass rate over expectation. They've been past happy and they certainly have the weapons to do that, the scheme to do that. I think that just the, you know, we saw what, what Sam Darnold did last year in this offense. I think JJ McCarthy has the physical tools to be really pretty good. And so. And I also think he runs a lot. He will run more than you think too. He's a scrambler.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We did get an email that's like, why aren't we worried about his season ending knee injury? And I don't know what you think to get. I don't wanna speak for you. My answer was like, well, it happened in August. And I'm like, mobility is relative. And I'm like, Bo Nix is I mean McCarthy is not Lamar Jackson, but he's faster than like Michael Bennicks.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I think, I think it's certainly something that, to like keep in mind. But like you said, it happened in the preseason last year, so he's very.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Removed from injury and I just think.

[Danny Heifetz]

Overall the offensive system and the environment that he is being dropped into now he's named a captain, obviously like his teammates respect him and all that stuff. I don't know like what the mechanics and policy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, they rig it, sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

But I think I, I don't know. I don't, I don't actually have like a real, real reason for this. It's just like my gut is he's gonna be really sharp in this offense and is gonna fucking put up big numbers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. The Kevin O' Connell thing, if JJ McCarthy's immediately good Kevin O', Connell, I'm. It's kind of like I don't, I don't know what else he needs to do.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know what I mean? Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Like him obviously was, you know, had Kirk Cousins, but then doing the Josh Dobbs thing and then getting Sam. If he does JJ McCarthy, I mean he truly becomes like a real kick maker as a, as a.

[Danny Heifetz]

And they also just traded for Thielen the other day, by the way, which we haven't really discussed. They've got Adam Thielen, obviously. Justin Jefferson is a one of the best number one receivers. Big time playmaker, big play creator, touchdown creator. Hawkinson Addison after three weeks. I think Addison is going to have a very good season. I'm also very high on Addison and I just think the scheme is just like such a difference maker, such a force multiplier for them. I don't know, I just got a good feeling about it.

[Danny Kelly]

It's funny because I've my gut feeling the entire offseason has been the opposite of that. I am kind of soft avoiding all Vikings because I'm just like, eh, yeah, they're all being priced as though the quarterback's going to be great. I'm like knocking Justin Jefferson a little bit. I'm just kind of knocking everybody a little bit.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The Vikings and Bucks are very similar to me. Where last year we were like, how are the Vikings going to do with Darnold, how are the Bucks going to do with Baker? But a new coordinator and both those situations. Baker did fine with Liam Cohen and the Vikings did fine Darnold. So now a year later, there's a new quarterback, there's a new coordinator and we're like, well, last year was fine. So, I mean, it'll. Why even ask the question? And I agree. I actually have. Last year, I did this, and I had a list of players that people that everyone likes now that we're going to be, like, a little soured on. And I actually think Kevin OConnell's on my list of guys were at universal approval right now. And a year from now, people are gonna be like, McCarthy, huh?

[Danny Kelly]

We're gonna be like, they should have kept Darnold.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The other. The other guy that I have on that list of just people that everyone loves right now. And by the end of the season, we're gonna be like, so not me, but some. Some people are gonna be like, I don't know, Dan Campbell. Universal approval at this moment in time. And I'm flagging it because that's good.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's going to be like, well, it's probably because Ben Johnson was good.

[Danny Kelly]

Bill has a great take that. He's like, you can't think the Lions are going to be good and the Bears are going to be good. You have to pick. You have to believe in Ben Johnson or you have to believe in Dan Campbell.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The truth and the cold, hard reality of the NFL is this is. The Lions are my most favorite team I think I've ever rooted for, like, the last two years. The Lions, other than the Giants, like.

[Danny Heifetz]

They'Re the most fun team by far.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Never had more fun. The Bills are high up there, but these Lions are so much fun. They missed their window, and they know it because David Montgomery, who's again, the heart and soul of that team, David Montgomery said he literally was like, this is our reckoning year. Like, this is our. Like, he basically didn't say last chance, but he's like, this is our chance. Like, we all, like, you don't want to be the team that gets happy being close enough. Like, none of us are happy that we get. We. We don't have to repeat. But between all the coaches, they lost the players, they lost the injuries. It is just unfortunate. Most championships and most sports are for better or for worse, dictated by the best team that stayed healthy. And that just wasn't Detroit the last couple years also, and they missed their window. And it's going to be different. And then the culture of Dan Campbell built. It's going to be techn.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think. Yeah. The thing that I'm thinking about the whole time when it. With regards to, like, the Lions and this era of their, you know, team is it does take a little bit of luck to become a Dynasty or right. Like a lot of like you have to have the ball bounce the right way in big games and all that stuff.

[Danny Kelly]

Like I would say almost every single champion in sports has to have an element of luck.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Exactly. And so.

[Danny Heifetz]

And they've just got man they've had been so unlucky with multiple different things. Obviously the injuries last year with was horrible for them and they just couldn't outlast it essentially. And so I'm not that I'm calling them a dynasty but like they're the type of team where it's like you know, front office play coaches and play callers and everything kind of was aligned and talent. They're the type of team that could have become a dynasty if. If things had kind of gone right for them. But it was just like it's so hard to keep that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And here's why I think it's going to rear its head this year. The simplest way. And this is other sports too but particularly in football the story of teams rising and falling, why teams fall off is just injuries and drafts and the teams that rise hit a bunch of drafts in a row. And the draft doesn't affect you really unless you have great rookies that year. A bad draft affects you beginning the year after. And so the Lions are doing great when you take Aiden Hutchinson and Jameson Williams and Kirby Joseph and they hit all those picks Bennet Sewell like Ali McNeil, Monroe St. Brown like they hit all these picks and then like the draft we made fun of them for is Jameer Gibbs, Jack Campbell, Sam Laporta, Brian Branch like they hit all these picks.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is this real?

[Danny Kelly]

Holy. Is this real?

[Craig Korlbeck]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

Adam Schefter reports the Cowboys are trading Micah Parsons to the Packers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wait, is this a take piece?

[Danny Kelly]

Who tweeted Cowboys are trading three time Micah packers to the Green Bay Packers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh my God.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Is this really Schefter? Hold on. Yeah, this is Schefter.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wait. All right, I'm Gonna read this.

[Danny Heifetz]

11.5 million followers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Cowboys are trading 3 time all pro linebacker Micah Packers Micah Parkers Parsons to the Green Bay Packers Parsons and the packers have already have reached agreement on a four year $188 million contract. David Mulugeta of Athletes first had a hand in the trade ultimately negotiate the record breaking contract that includes 120 million fully guaranteed signing makes Parsons the highest bid non quarterback in NFL history. I think we'll find out what the compensation is in a moment. I think this is Reggie White again. This is Reggie White like when free Agency was first started. The packers signed Reggie White. The packers never do this. The packers never trade a bunch of firsts for a player. And it's because my immediate reaction to this is the difference between Michael Parsons and Miles Garrett making 40 million a year is Michael Parsons is 25.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And Miles Garrett's 30 with foot injuries his entire life. I like, like, I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

We were literally just talking about this before the show. Like, what, what it would take to trade for Michael Parsons.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Jeff Chows, who is a lock.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So here's, here's my, here's my answer to this. Like, how much money you pay people? Blah, blah, blah, blah. There's, I think Bill, Bill James, the guy who really is the father of sabermetrics in math and sports at some point was at the idea of like, of you quantify what players are worth and everything. And, you know, how do you recreate them in the aggregate? And can, you know, Jason Giambi leaves the A's. Can you recreate him in the aggregate with a platoon? And Bill James was like, here's the problem is some people follow that logic to the end. And like, you know, it was a famous trade with like, they traded Ricky Henderson. And Bill James had this thing where he was like, the mistake people make is the entire point of running a sports franchise is to acquire a player like Ricky Anderson. Right. And my reaction to this whole thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

It'S like, this is what the money. It's good to pay your good players a lot of money. Like, that's a good thing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Like Michael.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's what the cap is for, to.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Play good players like Micah Parsons. To me, I'm doing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I actually think the relationship must have soured to the point where there was like no coming.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, let's, let's start with Dallas with this because I. Wow. Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Are we doing this during the take first we have.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is a Michael Parson show.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought this was a take purge for a second. I was like, are we doing pranks? Is.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't think that. Well, here's the thing. What are the chances that the. I also think the packers are like super bowl contenders now because they don't pass rush Dallas.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why did they trade him to. They traded him to a team in the nfc.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So I have crazy. I have a lot of thoughts here in our conference. My. I have many thoughts, but I want to start with dk. My immediate reaction to this is the Cowboys lose if you get two first round, but we'll see the compensation if they Got two first round picks from Green Bay. That's going to be in the 28th pick. Do you like what do. How do you feel about that? I feel like Cowboys lost in Packers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is a white flag. We're surrendering.

[Danny Kelly]

How many first round picks would they need to have acquired where you would say The Cowboys won 5, 3.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And you can talk about it but like the odds that you hit three first. Here's the. But Michael Parsons is like the as good of a pass rusher as there's the NFL. But the point is who are the other ones? Garrett Miles. Garrett T.J. watt. 30. 30. Michael Parsons is 26. He just turned 26.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is wild.

[Danny Kelly]

This is awesome.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, he even. I don't even know if he'll be 30 when his contract ends. So I really think this is Reggie White all over again.

[Danny Heifetz]

The packers just really needed one more first round defensive player to really just get them over the top here.

[Danny Kelly]

This is Jerry Jones's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, I will say this is so there's. I know Jerry Jones. This is a moment I would like.

[Danny Kelly]

To remind everyone all time. Fucking what?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden. Like this is where I would like to remind everyone Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden. And I've been saying a lot that this isn't a real thing, that the Cowboys are going to get this deal done the Thursday of the. Of the season and it's all commercial and I still kind of think that's probably what they intended, but I think they may have soured the relationship so much. I'm curious what comes out. But do you think that the Cowboys actually didn't want to do it or do you think Michael Parsons was like fuck this, I want to play somewhere else.

[Danny Kelly]

Green Bay was rumored.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, it was rumored the last day or two. Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

This has been around for. This has been like yeah, leaked or whatever. There's been random ass accounts on. On Twitter talking about it. But like, like I don't know. This is very strange. It feels to me like because so, so the background is the Cowboys or Jerry Jones tried to. Essentially he was like saying he negotiated like directly with Micah Parsons and they had a handshake deal.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

And it's like, like I'm an oil man and therefore that deals.

[Danny Kelly]

He looks me in the eye. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like come on. And. And then obviously. So my guess.

[Danny Kelly]

My.

[Danny Heifetz]

My first thought is is the. The agent for Michael Parsons was like fuck this team forever.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You can't underrate the personal aspect of the agents and the Teams hating each other because Jerry. What Jerry specifically was doing was trying to cut David Mulaguetta out. And David Mulaguer runs athletes first and is frankly probably at this point surpassed. Drew Rosenhaus is like the biggest. I mean, certainly now surpassed Rosenhaus as the most powerful agent in the NFL. And Jerry Jones, the most powerful owner in the NFL is basically like, you don't exist. I mean, David. I mean, and I may honestly, that personal element itself, David Mulligetta and athletes first versus Jerry Jones is also probably a huge issue here of how this happened. The packers are runaway winners. We'll see exactly what the compensation is. Do we know that yet?

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Korlbeck]

My two firsts, the Green Bay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, in the. In the tweet, it said that netted them two first rounders.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So maybe there's swaps and stuff. So the actual.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know what that means yet.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So the money that comes out, I always end up be. I'm always the number one person was like, oh, the money ends up being fake. But for the most part, they're saying 47 million a year. It's probably more. It's probably not quite that. But, like, he's clearly the highest paid, not a quarterback. So T.J. watts at 41. Jamar Chase is at 40. Miles Garrett's at 40. Daniel Hunter's at, like, 35.

[Danny Heifetz]

Too late.

[Danny Kelly]

Firsts is all you said. Disaster.

[Danny Heifetz]

That right there. Disaster.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Daniel Hunter. Daniel Hunter, who's on the Texans, makes 35 million a year. Like, also Daniel Hunter's like 29. Micah Parsons going to make 45. Who do you want to pay? Do you want to Give Michael Parsons 45? Max Crosby.

[Danny Kelly]

The number does not exist. The limit does not exist.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Max Crosby makes 35. I love Max Crosby, but isn't he also, like, 30 years old?

[Danny Kelly]

He's like 29.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You don't acquire these people don't become available because the concept. It wouldn't occur to most teams to, like, let someone like Michael Parsons go. The other thing here, dk, I'm curious what you think, Jerry. This I actually think has a chance to. The Cowboys fan base is so big, but this is frankly, probably the biggest test Jerry's ever had with the fan base. Because these fan bases are like. Like, the Cowboys fan base is, like, borderline religious, and this is, like, real heretical.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm just. Yeah, I'm trying to think of ways in which the Cowboys will end up looking right. And it's. It has. It's only basically live.

[Danny Kelly]

Take bridge. Right now, you're pro Cowboys.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Great. This is a great, great deal. Great trade for Dallas. Can't believe you got rid of that locker room. Micah Parsons.

[Danny Heifetz]

This feels like the Luca thing like.

[Craig Korlbeck]

In Dallas in one year has lost Luca and Luca Don with this city. Wow, that's such a good call. Luca and Micah Parsons in one year.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like did they call anyone else?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, what.

[Craig Korlbeck]

What I was going to say. I'm surprised some teams would like also. How if you're the also. Can we take one moment that Atlanta Falcons traded a future first to move up 20 spots and get who? James Pierce Jr. Dude, you could have two first. You could have got Michael Parks.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is why you save that ammo. That's why you keep your power.

[Danny Kelly]

The last team that the Cowboys lost to in the playoffs, Green Bay Packers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, well that's the other thing is the 20, 23.

[Danny Kelly]

They got shit on by the Green Bay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The reason Mike McCarthy is coaching the cow so was coaching the Cowboys is because him and Aaron Rodgers kept being the Cowboys in the playoffs. Packard. Dude, this is. This is. This is also like a. There's like a what? I can't think I keep anthology a fucking lesson here of you know who doesn't have an owner. The Green Bay Packers. Ed Policy and Brian.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ed Policy was on the horn making the deal happen.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Ed Policy. Like I don't know. I've always looked the only team that's ever pulled off a quarterback transition. They like no team can do a quarterback transition. The packers have done it twice. They went from Rogers to far. Sorry Farve to Rogers, Rogers to Jordan Love. And they're pulling deals like this. And then you have to like Jerry Jones. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

The only way this makes. This only way this makes any sense is if he has like arthritic knees or something like this is so ridiculous.

[Danny Kelly]

2. I can't get over how unbelievably cosmically stupid two first round picks from the Green Bay pack.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Maybe it's more than that.

[Danny Kelly]

This very well might be like the 32nd pick in the first round.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So where is this? I think Bill, if he were here with us today I would be like where's his ranking all time. Like tough years for a sports city. Because Dallas, it's like you don't really feel bad for Dallas a lot. But dude, losing Luca and Micah, I mean that's the best. I mean young NBA player one of them and probably the best young defender in the NFL in a year. It's the same year.

[Danny Kelly]

And Dallas was given a gift with the first Overall pick in the draft when they got Cooper flag. Will that happen? Maybe. Maybe they'll be the first overall pick and get. Get. I don't even know. Caleb Downs.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't know, dude. Jerry, this up. That's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is wild.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm still like, processing this also again, can I revisit? The Giants are going to win the Super Bowl. I should know. The packers gonna win the Super Bowl.

[Danny Kelly]

Micah released a statement.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. What? So Micah son Jordan Schultz, son of Howard Schultz.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you want to read the statement?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, please.

[Danny Kelly]

The whole thing?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, we're. Yeah, we're here. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Growing up Cowboys Nation. Growing up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, I was one of the few kids in my neighborhood who cheered for the Dallas Cowboys near everyone around support of the Eagles. But I always believed in the star. To wear the blue and white at Penn State and then carry the same colors into the NFL as a cowboy was more than a dream. It was destiny. From the moment I arrived in Dallas, you embraced me and my family as your own. You made a kid from the east coast feel right at home at Texas. Every time I pulled up to work, every time I stepped into the field, I felt the weight and pride of representing you. You didn't just give me a jersey, you gave me a place to belong. I never. I never wanted this chapter to end. But not everything was in my control. My heart has always been here, and it's still is. Through it all, I never made any demands. I never asked for anything more than fairness. I only asked that the person I trust to negotiate my contract be part of the process. This is a sad day, but not a bitter one. I'll never forget the joy of draft night, the adrenaline of running out of the tunnel.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, dude, this guy did not want to leave. I can't stress enough how much, how many players take their agent's advice. Don't show up, don't practice, don't do stuff.

[Danny Kelly]

I only ask that the person I trust to negotiate my contract be part of the process.

[Danny Heifetz]

Unbelievable, Jerry, they fucked this up.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Here's multiple levels to it. There are guys who want a new contract and then, like, won't play then. And they're like, like, Rashan Slater is like, I'm going to respectfully hold out. And like, you know what? That's why you do it. You might get hurt being on the field. Then there are guys who bitch and scream and, like, you know, want trades and all this stuff. Micah Parsons basically said, I respect guys to do that, but I'm not going to do any of that we're trying to win a Super Bowl. I'm going to show up and be here every day. And he was just part of the team. And Jerry literally basically like belittled and bullied and basically made Micah Parsons regret so much being a good soldier that he pushed him all the way by refusing to talk to his agent. That his agent basically seems like pulled a power and he was like, fuss this.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm surprised that they went ahead with the trade, remember, like a week ago or two weeks ago, and Jerry Jones was like, don't lose sleep over this.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's the other thing that's interesting is that like it's August 28th. You tell me that what Green Bay gave him a deadline. Like Green Bay is going to change their mind on this. You couldn't have called more people? Like, the Rams have two first round picks next year. What? Like you're not like, wouldn't. Couldn't you see if the Rams would give you three? I'm so curious.

[Danny Kelly]

Physically restrained Jerry Jones.

[Danny Heifetz]

Brian shot. What's Brian Schottenheimer thinking right now?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Dude, My. That motherfucker's got impressed. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Michael Harrison's name is trending. Lol.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You think Nico did this?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I was just like, man, Dallas.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Do you think the Cowboys gonna get the first pick? You get Arch Manning. Oh, my God. Yeah. Carlos says week four is Packers Cowboys.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, we're in Dublin. We're in Dublin.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We think, well, honestly, we could do the show during the game. Wow. Oh, my God.

[Danny Heifetz]

So the packers defense is gonna be fun as hell.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, the packers defense now is like every other defense with the terrible cornerbacks, but now they have Michael Parsons.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's a force multiplier, though. Like he makes everyone around him better. You know what I mean?

[Craig Korlbeck]

So Rashawn Gary's now a great number two pass rusher. Like. Like Lucas Van Ness can go back to not being a starter. Would you like? Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Yahoo. Fantasy. Yahoo. Fantasy is the best place to play fantasy football. Hurry. The season starts September 4th. Want more ways to play? Try the new yahoo. Fantasy guillotine league mode where the lowest scoring team gets eliminated weekly. Want to play instantly with friends? Try the new draft with friends mode. Prefer the classics. Play in private, head to head leagues or join a public league. The season is almost here. So draft [e-mail] theringer this episode is brought to you by Hyundai. Get in to the Hyundai getaway sales event and get away with the deal. So right. It almost almost feels wrong. Score a great deal on their adventure. Ready SUVs like Kona, Tucson, Santa Fe and Palisade, their bold and stylish Elantra, their most advanced Sonata yet and the all electric Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6. Plus every Hyundai is backed by America's Best Warranty and Hyundai complimentary maintenance. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for details. Offer and ends September 2, 2025.

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[Craig Korlbeck]

Any other thoughts on this off the Jones I mean, I think I will say let's just real quick. I want to look at super bowl ads.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like we can't go back to just like some random take.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I know now I'm like, what am I? How am I fall? Following this show, my purge, they're going.

[Danny Heifetz]

To trade Micah Parsons.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So here's the thing. I want to let you guys know. Stop me when you think that so the packers have already shot up in super bowl odds. So the Ravens are now 7 to 1. The Eagles are basically 7 to 1. The Bills are 7 to 1. Chiefs are 8 to 1. Lions are 12 to 1. Packers are tied with the lines at 12 to 1, ahead of the Niners at 19, Washington at 19. Rams are at 20, Broncos are 22. I mean honestly, I think packers are a better team than Luke. Lions.

[Danny Kelly]

I think. I think Ravens, Eagles, Bills, Chiefs.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I mean it sounds Packers. You have to prove it. Like, because Jordan Love is not Lamar. Like, you know, he's not the Eagles offense with Hertz. It's not Josh Allen.

[Danny Kelly]

Lamar never been to a Super Bowl. Jordan Love's gotten just as close as Lamar has. Almost beat the niners in the NFC championship.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right. Mr. Lamar should have been MVP last year.

[Danny Kelly]

Completely different arguments. That's a regular season award and I believe that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All right.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just saying he hasn't been to the super bowl either.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Man.

[Danny Heifetz]

So again, so hold on. Adam Schefter says trade package includes two first round picks and a frontline player, whatever that means.

[Danny Kelly]

Kenny Clark.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Kenny. Oh, Kenny. Oldest player on the pack.

[Danny Heifetz]

An old defensive tackle.

[Danny Kelly]

He's 29.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's 29. But that's. The packers are the youngest team in the NFL. Kenny Clark was the oldest player they had. They got rid of a 29 year old defensive tackle. I think the Cowboys are probably sitting here like we can't stop the run. If I can try to be charitable to Dallas for One second. Second, one. This is probably a terrible idea. I will say there is something to be said of Dallas's defense. Last year was horrific. They couldn't stop the run. They have no cornerbacks. But the difference is you're paying a ton of money to Micah to lock in having a pretty bad defense. Like, they were bad defense, and so they paid a ton of money.

[Danny Heifetz]

An elite pass rusher is good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I. I'm just trying to understand. It's a good thing, but I'm trying.

[Danny Kelly]

To make the case how.

[Danny Heifetz]

How about this? Don't trade him and just do something else to make your defense better.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm not saying it's smart. I'm trying to understand. When they're at the table talking about doing this, they're getting. They turn to Will McClay, who is the guy who's in charge of their football strategy. He's their big scout. He's the. He. Will McClay is the reason that the Cowboys actually draft really well. Like, the Cowboys drafted Zach Martin and Tyrone Smith and Travis Frederick and I think Tyler Booker is going to be great. The Cowboys are drafted. Well, Will McClay is the guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I'm trying to understand Mozzie Smith, like a couple years ago.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, that was. Well, that's the thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

The fucking draft is a crap. You cannot depend on that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And that's the thing. They kind of probably told themselves, well, we met. Mozzie Smith has been a disaster even then. They're like, well, they told him to gain 15 pounds, then lose. They kind of screwed him over. But you're right, he's terrible. So they're adding Kenny Clark probably for. This is.

[Danny Kelly]

This is insane.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They probably said, we want three first round picks. And the packers were like, we'll give you two. And Kenny Clark and Cowboys like, Jerry.

[Danny Kelly]

Kenny Clark was a first round pick, so it's really the same thing. And he's already guaranteed that he's good. And Jerry's like, yeah, you're right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So is this where I get to my take purge that I did last year and I'm gonna do again now, which is Jerry Jones's kid should kill.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a good. Let's get back into the purge there. That's good. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I can't. I can't. Two first two. Late round first is just.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's the other thing. If the packers, like, how bad do these picks have to be where it's worth it? Like if the packers got two top five picks, you're like, oh, it's a pretty good deal. But these are going to be.

[Danny Kelly]

They will be in the 20s.

[Craig Korlbeck]

If the packers make the divisional round.

[Danny Kelly]

They could be in the 20s.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, the packers make even just the divisional round. Even if the packers don't make the NFC championship game.

[Danny Kelly]

Pick 26, 27.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's brutal. I mean, who is the. I mean the Packers.

[Danny Heifetz]

The least amount of games they've won in a year since 2019 is 8.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I always say, I love that the.

[Danny Kelly]

Packers kick the shit out of the Cowboys. The last time the Cowboys won the.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Playoffs and now they got Michael Parsons. Look at the guys. So you. You always say need fused to judge a graft. I'm just randomly pulling up 20, 22. The 25th pick was Tyler Linder, Bomb of the Ravens. He's great. Jermaine Johnson went to the Jets. Devin Lloyd to the Jaguars. Devonte Wyatt to the Packers. Cole Strange was the 29th pick to the Patriots. George Carlo Zach Sale Lewis scene.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like, man, dude, the late first is.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a crapshoot.

[Danny Heifetz]

It is a crap crap shoot.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The Bills just had Dalton Kincaid and Kyrie Elam as late round picks. Those guys don't even barely play first. Yeah, this is pretty horrific. So, I mean, this is. Dallas is really. That's one of the worst stretches I can remember for two teams. I mean, these are the two most popular players in the city.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't believe this.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Kenny Clark's a funny. Is there anything, anything else? I mean, packers are 12 to 1. Where the Cowboys Super bowl odds have fallen to 60 to 1. 60 to 1.

[Danny Heifetz]

In other news, this is good for their offense.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Do you still think The Giants are 200 1? You don't think that's a good bet?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Do it now.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Would you rather do Cowboys? Oh, I did it. When it was 400 to 1. I did it. And this in this table. Actually I bet them $10 at 501.

[Danny Kelly]

On this at this table.

[Craig Korlbeck]

At the super bowl last year.

[Danny Kelly]

Year.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Like when we came back from LA from the Super Bowl. I bet the Giants like 450 to 1. Anyway, any other thoughts on this DK before we get out of here? I. I think my.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think we've. I think we've talked. Yeah, we've gotten our thoughts on it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So do you. Would you. Good move. Who do you think won the trade?

[Danny Heifetz]

Hot take. Really bad.

[Danny Kelly]

Look, Kenny Clark's gonna go nuts this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hell yeah. He's gonna be so good on first and second down.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Trying to think what we missed. If he's unhealthy do you think Jerry Jones is, like, dying? Dying?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, we're all dying. Really?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I, I bet you. I bet you, Jerry. It was like a dick measuring contest. And Jerry was like, oh, you're gonna tell me that, that I did it?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm an oil.

[Danny Kelly]

I negotiated improperly. See you later.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Honestly, it's probably that. I really bet when you lay wrap all the layer, you get all the layers of the onion out the center of. It's just like you.

[Danny Kelly]

You one screaming match of a call. And Jerry Jones is like you, David Mulla.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yep.

[Danny Kelly]

See you later. Go wherever you want.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Super emotional. Oh, my God. I'm literally gonna come back in. All right. We decided to publish this. Oh, yes, Bill. Yes, I'll share. Danny's.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, Bill. What's worse? Luca or this?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wait, we're still recording, right? I was. Everything's recording. Yeah. All right, great.

[Bill Simmons]

I was focused on the Pats for this.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh.

[Bill Simmons]

But I thought it was going to be the, I thought it was ultimately the Packers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They did.

[Bill Simmons]

They needed it the most. Is that what you guys said?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I picked them for the super.

[Bill Simmons]

Bowl on part two of my pod that just went up.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you?

[Craig Korlbeck]

No one's going to believe that. That was before.

[Bill Simmons]

Versus Green Bay was my Super Bowl.

[Danny Kelly]

You saw what the Cowboys got in return, right?

[Bill Simmons]

Just two first and Kenny Clark, who's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The oldest player on the Packers. He's 29.

[Bill Simmons]

How did the Patriots on top that? Seahawks on top.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's what I asked.

[Danny Heifetz]

Should I talk into him?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, yeah. Share with them.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's what I asked. Did they not, did they not call anyone out else?

[Bill Simmons]

So who do you think they called?

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think the packers are smart enough to call them. I think that I, I, I think that this really does.

[Bill Simmons]

They started like badgering them to do it, right?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

This is shocking. These two first round picks are going to be the 25th pick to the 30th pick.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Cole Strange was the 29th pick.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, so, Danny, did you do the Jamal Adams conversation part of this yet? Because you did this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. I mean, this is essentially what the Seahawks gave us up for. Jamal Adams. That was awful. I think they gave up more than that, too.

[Craig Korlbeck]

A box safety, like a two firsts.

[Danny Heifetz]

And a third or something like that.

[Danny Kelly]

This is the best pass rusher in the NFL.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I, I, the thing I said, my immediate reaction is, was this is Reggie White all over again. Because a player of this caliber at this age just should not be available.

[Bill Simmons]

And he's like, there's seven of these in the League, including quarterback.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All of them are 30. Like red. Like the other guys making this money. Miles Garrett's making this money just signed. He's 30 with a history of footage. TG Watt is 30. Like Max Crosby is 29. 30. Like all these. Micah Parsons just turned 26.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, but I'm saying there's seven of these meaning all positions.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Like if we're doing NBA trade value, like If I for NFL, there's no way he's not one of the seven blue chippers you'd want in the league, including quarterback.

[Craig Korlbeck]

100%. We were just.

[Bill Simmons]

So how is it not three firsts?

[Danny Kelly]

It's shocking.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think it's because they wanted. I think it's because David Mulugetta wanted 46, 47.

[Danny Kelly]

But again, why are you not trading Micah Parsons to a bad team so that these first round picks. Top five, top seven picks.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think the bad teams probably don't want. I think the the answer now 6.

[Danny Kelly]

In Super bowl odds. Like this team was in the NFC championship two years ago.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The thing I'm surprised are going to.

[Danny Kelly]

Be in the late 20s, early 30s. It could literally be the 32nd pick in the draft.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I keep wondering about the Rams who have two first next year. And I'm like, you couldn't call the Rams try to get two first and the first in 26. Now maybe no one wanted to do it and they called everyone. But part of me just thinks what we were saying right before you came in, Bill was. Part of me is like everyone just got super emotional and Jerry Jones tried to cut out David Mulaguetta and David Mulgetta. This is like his little. Like he's the biggest agent in the NFL now. Like. Like he's our past Rosenhaus. He did the Deshaun Watson trade. Like and Jerry Jones tried to cut out the biggest agent in the NFL and then Cowboys got burned. And this is going to be Jerry's legacy now.

[Bill Simmons]

So if they had done this with the Patriots, you could talk yourself into maybe that'll be like the 14th pick in the draft and then maybe they'll have some injuries. Like the packers are just going to be good.

[Danny Kelly]

They were going to be good without.

[Bill Simmons]

This is who you didn't want first round picks from.

[Danny Kelly]

No, it makes sense.

[Bill Simmons]

But if I'm a bad like basically you would want to do your version of the Travis Hunter deal where Cleveland's like, this is great. We have Jacksonville's first next year.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're going to try. Exactly.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a team that should have Traded for him, Jacksonville or something like that. And then you get two or maybe even three first round picks from a team that could actually give you top 10 picks.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Bill, where does this rank in just Dallas, calendar year, worst. You know, Dallas didn't lose a team or anything, but Dallas's year starting with losing Luka Doncic and more or less starting.

[Bill Simmons]

Think about that part.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They lost Luka Doncic and Micah Parsons in the same year.

[Danny Kelly]

What's a more unforgivable move? Luca or this?

[Bill Simmons]

Luka. Cause this was clearly. They just felt like he was worth a certain number and they weren't going.

[Danny Heifetz]

To go over it.

[Bill Simmons]

But I just think I need to get at least two firsts. I probably need a second. Maybe it's two years later and I need some sort of Kenny Clark.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Clark. Kenny Clark.

[Bill Simmons]

Like really? I thought Rashawn Gary was like a lock to be in this, but maybe they couldn't have made it work with the cap.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I was just gonna say I think the Kenny Clark bit, like the Kenny Clark addition to this trade just makes it. Let's just puts it over the top. It's. I don't understand that at all. It's like a, A run stopping. I mean, I know he's a good player, but you know, you're an interior defensive lineman who's not going to be like a top tier pass rusher. Who's older.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Bill, is now a good time to mention that Jerry Jones is older than Joe Biden. Biden.

[Danny Kelly]

This is the ultimate going down, going out on bottom.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[Bill Simmons]

The ultimate lesson in this is there's two pieces of life where if somebody gets old and crazy, you're kind of helpless. One is if they were the president, United States, for example.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Bill Simmons]

The other is if they owned one of your favorite teams and they don't sell the team and they do like this. And there's no ads like I'm sure every Cowboy fan is like, cool, cool. We just traded the number one blue chip pass rusher you would want at the right age. And we're gonna get like the 30th pick and the 29th pick in the draft.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yep.

[Bill Simmons]

So you could save money because. And meanwhile your team just got announced it was $12 billion. Like, this is like an irrational, crazy old guy move.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's Jamar Chase for defense. But even then, it is easier to replace a Jamar Chase on offense than replace a Michael Parsons on defense. Probably.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, you would have to talk yourself into. If you're going to get first round picks from Michael Parsons, you have to convince yourself that you could try to get another Micah Parsons. Those picks which in the late 20s is extremely difficult. These guys do not grow on trees like Abdul Carter went third overall.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The reason they're paid so much money is because teams have decided that it's. You can't replace their value in the aggregate. The other positions you can. And so it just, it really, to me, at the end of the day, I do think they just ruined the emotions. I do think Jerry Jones was trying. Someone's trying to power play. Someone's trying to Big dick Jerry Jones and he's like, fuck that. And the relationship just ended. I can't think of another reason.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it was a dick swinging contest and he was like, you're going to tell me what to do, I'll fucking trade him right now.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Now I just, I just want to.

[Danny Heifetz]

Reiterate my take on. I think like in this era of football with the, with the salary cap, fans become obsessed and maybe now teams and Jerry Jones become obsessed with cap space. Cap space. We got so much cap space. You use. Use your money to keep very good players. Use that money. That's actually good. If you give your really good players a lot of money, that's a good thing. I just want to reiterate that.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, because you can roll over cap space forever, which is what Philadelphia did. I'm just wondering where everyone else was. The more I'm thinking about this because this just happened. Like you guys knew about. I was recording a prestige TV podcast and found out right after there's like 17. Like could Denver have gotten in this?

[Craig Korlbeck]

I was wondering about them too.

[Bill Simmons]

Yeah, could like this. Honestly, could the Steelers have gotten in this?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, they just paid TJ Watt 41 million.

[Bill Simmons]

So part of it had to be.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You don't.

[Bill Simmons]

You don't. You couldn't have had your own $40 to $45 million crazy contract guy yet you.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I do think that the packers, ironically, because they all these, they use eight of their last 10 picks. I'm doing this off the top of my head, but eight of last top ten picks were defensive. Ironically, none of them are that good. So they kind of didn't have massive extensions for any of these guys. So they actually on the defensive side of the ball really had the cap flexibility to do it. And you're right, like they weren't hamstrung by a huge contract. But overall, I don't know. There's always money in the Banana stand, man. Like I do think that maybe some teams don't want to give two first round picks and a play to give up 46, 47 million. But generally speaking, no, probably most teams probably did want to make this trade. Like the Chargers, I feel like probably would have wanted to do it. I just think sometimes it's as simple as some teams. It's like it's not that different than fantasy football. You see a league, a trade in your league, you're like, how didn't you tell me? And you're like, I don't know, man. I was thinking about he had the offer.

[Danny Kelly]

I just wanted to do it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They don't always make the decision.

[Bill Simmons]

That always happens in fantasy football.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I was right here.

[Danny Kelly]

We talked last week.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're not always.

[Bill Simmons]

I asked you if you're going to trade Parsons.

[Craig Korlbeck]

What the fuck? It's honestly the same thing, man. I'm like, I don't think they called 20 to the teams. I think the packers, it's the same thing with Luca.

[Danny Kelly]

All the other teams like wait a minute.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, that was different.

[Bill Simmons]

That was rigged by the NBA. This doesn't feel rigged by the NBA.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is something.

[Bill Simmons]

So I think Denver could have done it. I think Pittsburgh, even though they paid Watt, it's just the kind of thing they would have done.

[Danny Kelly]

Here's how you trade from interconference to the Packers. Who was the last time that beat you in the playoffs was the packers two years ago.

[Craig Korlbeck]

See the AFC existing alone with the quarterbacks make it so much less likely that you'll make the suit. Like it'll be a good pick because.

[Bill Simmons]

Like trader Tennessee, maybe you could luck out and get like a top 10 pick 100%.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And I think and maybe those teams were like, he's not on our timeline. But even then I'm like, they probably gave a good picks. I think the reason you know this is good is you know who the least the team that is probably the most stingy about trading with future firsts, the Green Bay packers. Like there is no team for this is literally 30 years of this. In the way the packers have their leadership where they don't just give away first round picks. That's why comp it to Reggie White where like the packers are not the archetype of team you thought would dip into free agency first. But they're like. But this is an uncommon situation. I think Micah Parsons like Luka, like very rare other situations where players of this calib caliber are just not available very often. Like Ricky henderson being traded 40 years ago, like, he just shouldn't be on the market.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, why didn't Cincinnati go for this?

[Bill Simmons]

Oh, that's interesting because they've, they've already like spread their money.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Quarter of a billion dollars.

[Bill Simmons]

What Heifetz just said it. This does happen at every other sport and in football it's way less likely to happen. But I also think teams have been burned by trades like this. If you go over even like the Russell Wilson trade. But yeah, I'd love to see all these trades laid out. Like, Herschel Walker is the most famous one. But if you go through the years, if you're giving up more than two firsts for a player, it's usually not a great idea. The counter, 26 year old, best pass rusher in the league is never available, ever.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, it's usually the guy who's like around 30 years old. It was like, is Miles Garrett going to go somewhere else? Do you risk that you're going to be paying him until he's 34? This is not that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think this is the second most important position in football other than quarterback.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think the whole trade is out of sample because it's kind of like if some crazy deal in a house and you're kind of sniffing around, you're like, what's wrong with the house? Why does it cost us? Why is this even available if it's so great? And you're like, those other trades like Russell Wilson and you're like, okay, the answer is the Seahawks are trading because they have been around Russell Wilson for 10 years and they don't think they can really. They don't think he's as good, you know, he's worth the money. Like, most of these trades are ultimately teams that have the player and they're like, he's not working. And you look at Micah and they're like, they did want to pay Micah. I think that this is. There's no health issue, there's no play issue. They just destroyed the personal dynamic. And I. And again, maybe there's stuff we don't know, maybe there's stuff about the health we don't know. Maybe there's things behind the scenes. But my read of the situation is it actually is just a giant emotional dick swinging contest that Dallas lost. And there's nothing like just nothing about this player should be have been available in the trade market.

[Bill Simmons]

Well, when he laid on the trainer's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Table, that wasn't great.

[Bill Simmons]

I'm just showing you my notes from the NFC.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Buffalo over Denver, Green Bay over Philly, Green Bay 12 and 5 pre Michael Parsons.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh my God.

[Bill Simmons]

And I have like bets on them that I made. Like I'm, I wish I could have tripled down.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And if you're listening for fantasy I think we've talked all year about how the cow you have made this comp at the New York live show that the Cowboys are the Kirkland brand Bengals because it's like Dak and Burrow similar styles of quarterbacks going to funnel their offense through passing and it's like T. Higgins and Jamar Chase are like a off brand.

[Danny Kelly]

It's just going to be wheels up. They're going to lead the league in points defense ago.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah the Cowboys, we haven't even gotten to this. Do you realize how bad the Cowboys defense now is? Now it is a bottom three in the NFL because they couldn't stop the run with Michael Parsons. Their cornerbacks are awful. Like I, I, I mean the, the.

[Danny Kelly]

Cowboys have also Week 4, Week 4 Sunday Night Football Packers Cowboys.

[Bill Simmons]

Danny, do do you think this was a situation where they finished the trade and the the Cowboys war room celebration.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Like we did it. We got the video.

[Bill Simmons]

We got two first for Parsons and Kenny Clark. Best guy in the league.

[Danny Heifetz]

We did it.

[Bill Simmons]

Number 32. Number 30, here we come. Terrible stuff. Are they the best? Is this the best fantasy defense now or would you still have Houston or Philly or some of the other Green Bay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't think they're the best but it just drags their overall defense to like maybe above average which again that I think the defense was the question for Green Bay because I just was like they have no cornerbacks and they have no they lost Jerry Alexander and Eric Stokes who weren't great. But the, I mean Keyshawn Nixon's the best cornerback in Green Bay. He was a kick returner two years ago. Like they have slot guys playing on the outside. But now the whole reason at Michael Parsons is that makes everyone better if the quarterback has a second less and yeah, I mean they're a real contender now. I still think Denver, Houston, Vikings for fantasy better.

[Danny Kelly]

Green Bay needed a couple blue chippers. It was like they had a good overall roster but they didn't have the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Difference makers because they kept picking in the late part of the first round.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Right, Bill? I know. Bill, where do you think this is.

[Danny Kelly]

Like Jerry better get scouting. You've been watching a lot of college football this year. You got to find that dog Simon in the rough.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Is there, is there a comp you can think of for Dallas? A city like Dallas losing Luke and Parsons in the same year for like.

[Danny Kelly]

All time Sports City calamities.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Losing one team is still worse than two players. But this is pretty bad.

[Bill Simmons]

There's that. There's also the. Like, when it. When it came out this morning, they were talking about. They are getting phone calls for Parsons. He's the number one owner. And we're like, oh, he's going to be fucking crazy enough to trade this dude. I can't think of maybe Matt Ishby. Are there three owners across the sports that you'd be like, he's definitely dumb enough to trade Michael Parsons. Like, this is unconscionable.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They haven't traded Dallas hasn't actually got rid of one of their big players in years. Like, usually when you're cowboy, you're cowboy for life. I mean, they brought Zeke back. You know, they have really kept people within the family for a long time.

[Bill Simmons]

Can I ask Danny, would you. Would you have traded two firsts?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Bill Simmons]

And what Pass rusher? Give me one.

[Danny Heifetz]

You don't really have any Nuoso or.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, you would have given Witherspoon anybody. I mean, really. Anybody.

[Bill Simmons]

You've done two firsts and a third.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Bill Simmons]

Would you have done two firsts and a second?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. Also, why did they do the deal today? You have five more days to get a deal. Like you. Five more. Like the packers are going to set a deadline on you. I don't know. Maybe I'm not smart enough of reading this stuff, but I'm like, what are the packers going to say no to this tomorrow? Why? Did you have another week to get the season going?

[Bill Simmons]

You already answered that. It's a dick swinging thing, obviously. Like, I'm done with this guy. I'm out.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Maybe.

[Bill Simmons]

What's our best offer? They canvas the teams. We can get two. First from Green Bay is like, take it. Yeah, I'm done with this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Does this raise any other questions for you guys? For any other questions? No. I'm going to leave.

[Bill Simmons]

That was the end of my cameo.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Thank you. Oh, my God. Holy. What a day.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Like Schefter. There's an article that came out. He, Michael Parsons got two MRIs in August. He was cleared medically by the team. He was suffering from back tightness.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The back tightness was pretending he was hurt so that he could justify not participating in practice. I'm like, I don't know. He didn't magically tear his back not playing. I. I don't know, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think we hit the Parsons Thing. Do you want to do a couple extra take purges and get out of here?

[Danny Kelly]

I can't even tell if we should like or do we just end it?

[Craig Korlbeck]

We'll save it. We'll save him for the next one. All right. Wow. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Bill Simmons, for stopping in.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Thanks, Jo. Jerry.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Thank you, Jerry, for the content. Jerry, as always, you know what's.

[Danny Kelly]

Take Purge. You son of a.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Take purge. Jerry Jones is the smartest person in sports. This is why The NFL makes $2 billion a month hurdling toward three. Jerry Jones is the only person who understands content. Shout out, Jerry. Thank you to Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, ct. Thank you ever really, dude. Thank you, Jerry, for the content. Unbelievable. The man gets it. Cowboys are going to be boring. He understands. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Lord.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, God.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who do we even pick for a band on this one, man?

[Danny Kelly]

Alan Parsons project.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Love that. Thanks for the little tip there. What do you got? What's your favorite song from them?

[Danny Kelly]

They do the. The don't they do the walkout Michael Jordan song.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, that's. I can't believe this happened. I kind of just like. I kind of just kept the. When we first. The first 60 seconds we talked about, I kept waiting for this to be fake.

[Danny Kelly]

Same.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Wow. Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it serious? Is that there's song. Is that the Michael Jordan song?

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the Bulls walk.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think it's serious sounds, right.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Serious. Hell yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's. That takes me back, man. That song. Yeah, that was great.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, there. The. The NBC is getting the NBA back and they're bringing back a lot of that 90s stuff, which is. They got it. They. They finally did this for the finals where they brought back the intro music and I'm like, thank you. You don't have to sell it every moment.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, this is how we should start the Tig first NBA.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We should. The NBA Finals having this again, like.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rip off the, like the warm up.

[Danny Kelly]

We got standing 61.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. Michael. Dude, even in Space Jam, it hits so hard when they introduce. Oh, my God.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, I was just thinking of while in that era, like the John Tesh.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. People are thrilled that it's like people are over the. You've seen the. The SNL.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Basketball.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's so good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There's a.

[Danny Heifetz]

There's a like a little vignette on how John Tesh thought of that. It was John Tesh, right?

[Danny Kelly]

I think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

How he thought of that song. Like it came to him in the moment. And he had like wrote it down. Yeah. So good. Hold on. I want to make sure it's John.

[Danny Kelly]

Tish before I think it is John Tish. That sounds right.

[Danny Heifetz]

So good.

[Danny Kelly]

There's also the Nelly song Heart of a Champion that samples that. Yeah. Is that Heart of a Champion?

[Danny Heifetz]

Hold on, Let me play that. Oh, damn it. It's an ad.

[Danny Kelly]

J.T. don't say who the ad's for eight skip ad.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

They should be at Coachella next year.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Just on the keys, tripping molly for like an hour of this thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

What year was this?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Man? Man, Frank Ocean's ice rink melted. They should have played this. He looks like he's.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like, he's. He looks like a dealer on a cruise ship.

[Danny Kelly]

Actually. Perfect.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like he's dealing cards on a cruise ship.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, man, he's got like the dye blonde hair with the goatee vest.

[Danny Heifetz]

What year was this? I gotta find, find out When.

[Danny Kelly]

When?

[Danny Heifetz]

1995.

[Danny Kelly]

When. How do you spell tash? When did John Tash invent NBA?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it was 95. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

He composed it originally. 1989.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

For the 1990 NBA season. Stud. Thank you, John.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Shout out. John playing it again. Okay, started. He's like. He's like.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is. This is like the background as you drift. Quibbling.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Crowds going nuts. Goodbye.

[Craig Korlbeck]

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