Midseason Awards: MVP, Best Sleeper, and Biggest Bust. Plus, Heifetz vs. Craig Fantasy Court.

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: Midseason Awards – MVP, Best Sleeper, and Biggest Bust. Plus, Heifetz vs. Craig Fantasy Court
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (DK), Craig Horlbeck
Date: October 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode celebrates the halfway point of the 2025 fantasy football season with the annual “Midseason Awards,” including Fantasy MVP, Sleeper of the Year (and its ignominious opposite), and Biggest Bust, plus playful takes on coaching and player narratives. The hosts evaluate their preseason calls, reflect on notable surprises and disappointments, and address a commissioner controversy in “Fantasy Court.” The conversation mixes data-driven insights, jokes, and listener stories, flowing with the pod’s trademark irreverent camaraderie.

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Main Themes & Structure

• Power Hour–style countdown of midseason fantasy awards
• In-depth breakdown of fantasy season narratives, with emphasis on notable player performances
• Self-deprecating and behind-the-scenes stories about drafting and league management
• Lively debate and banter, especially in Fantasy Court

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

[01:36–10:30] Midseason Check-In & News

• Hosts balk at technical “midpoint”: “Nerds, I don’t want to hear about how this isn’t actually halfway through.” (Danny Heifetz, 01:58)
• Quarterback Carousel: Discussion on Saints benching Spencer Rattler for Tyler Shuck, who they joke, “has four college degrees,” and Vikings’ backup woes after Carson Wentz’s injury:
  • “They have to… trade for a quarterback, even to just back up J.J. McCarthy.” (Heifetz, 06:50)
  • “It’s time for Kevin O’Connell to fix Jameis Winston.” (DK, 07:16)
• Inside Jokes: Speculate on teams inventing fake players to test beat writers’ knowledge—a running bit about “Ty Whittingham out of Western Michigan” (Heifetz, 09:08).

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[10:30–16:00] Power Hour Midseason Fantasy Awards

• Hosts set up the awards format: Using submitted ballots, but letting debate decide close calls.
• Award #1 – Fantasy MVP:
  • Winner: Jonathan Taylor (Colts RB)
  • “RB1 by a mile… 14 touchdowns, four games with three plus touchdowns this year.” (Craig, 12:55)
  • “A running back hasn’t had 20 rushing touchdowns in 20 years, and Jonathan Taylor has 14 halfway through.” (Heifetz, 13:37)
  • “He’s the poster boy for boring, talented players getting overlooked.” (Heifetz, 14:11)
  • Perspective: In rare historic company; “enjoy this and revel in it.” (Craig, 15:13)

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[16:00–18:15] Sleeper of the Year (Complimentary)

• Winner: Drake Maye (Patriots QB)
• “He was drafted as QB16, now QB4 in PPG behind only Mahomes, Allen, and Hurts.” (DK, 16:46)
• “He was the most hyped QB, and he’s outperforming even that.” (Heifetz, 17:33)
• “He’s as good at real football as he is in fantasy.” (DK, 18:06)
• Noted: Hype picks (Emeka Egbuka, Tyler Warren) also delivered this year, unusual vs. historical hit rates.

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[18:15–23:26] Sleeper of the Year (Derogatory – “Best Busty Sleeper”)

• Winner: Caleb Johnson (Steelers RB)
• “He was probably droppped after two weeks.” (Craig, 18:53)
• With just 13 touches all season: “He’s an afterthought, he’s on waivers.” (Craig, 21:07)
• Also roasted:
  • RJ Harvey (“infuriating” and unplayable despite hype),
  • Matthew Golden (Packers WR, “the 65th best WR with no touchdowns”),
  • Colston Loveland (Bears TE, “most painful rookie TE pick if you missed the others”)
  • Braylon Allen (Jets RB, “all we heard about in August, did absolutely nothing”)

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[24:58–29:44] Non-Jonathan Taylor Fantasy MVP

• Winner: Jackson Smith-Njigba (Seahawks WR)
• “He leads the league in receiving yards by over 100 despite already having a bye.” (Heifetz, 27:14)
• “He’s doing things people thought he couldn’t do—winning deep, winning outside.” (Craig, 28:27 & 28:46)
• “He has a 38% target share, which leads all receivers in the league.” (DK, 28:49)

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[29:44–31:09] Biggest Bust — Player Taken Instead of JSN

• Winner: Brian Thomas (Jaguars WR)
• “He was a borderline first-round pick… now WR42, averaging nine points per game.” (Craig, 29:50)
• “Vibes are horrific — not in sync with Trevor Lawrence, coaching in flux.” (Craig, 30:57)
• DK: “Has the yips, bunch of drops, losing his role, it might get worse.”

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[31:09–34:06] Waiver Wire MVP

• Winner: Daniel Jones (Colts QB)
• “A guy that basically went undrafted, scoring 21 PPG—massively valuable.” (Craig, 32:21)
• “He’s QB5, one of seven over 20 PPG.” (DK, 32:40)
• Runners-up: Keenan Allen (Chargers WR), Rico Dowdle (Panthers RB)

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[33:54–37:16] Most Embarrassing Good Pick (Auto/Mocked Pick That Paid Off)

• Winner: Jalen Waddle (Dolphins WR)
  • “I despised this man, but had to take him because he was $5… he’s WR12, but since Tyreek went down, WR5.” (DK, 34:06)
  • “There are moments the Miami offense finds its rhythm, and Waddle’s getting his.” (DK, 35:07)
• Others mentioned: Quentin Johnston (Chargers), Javonte Williams (Cowboys), Michael Pittman Jr. (Colts)
• “The Kyle Pitts experience: serviceable! (barely)” [36:52]

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[37:16–41:11] Tight End of the Year Debate

• Leading candidates:
  • Tucker Kraft (Packers): “TE1 in fantasy, 14 PPG, now focal point of the offense.” (Craig, 37:34)
  • Tyler Warren (Colts): “Consistently fun and a big part of the fun Colts ride.” (Heifetz, 41:09)
  • Jake Ferguson (Cowboys): “In PPR, he’s tight end #1—massively outpacing others in targets.” (Heifetz, 40:33)
  • Dallas Goedert (Eagles)
• “I’ll give the tiebreaker to Tyler Warren.” (Heifetz, 41:09)

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[41:11–44:12] Hype Guy Who Actually Delivered

• Nominees: Drake Maye (Patriots, winner); Emeka Egbuka (Bucs); Tyler Warren (Colts); George Pickens (Cowboys)
• “Everybody was saying Drake Maye, and it just absolutely was.” (DK, 41:27)
• Craig: “Pickens was my favorite… he’s WR6, just balling out and happy in Dallas.” (42:58)

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[44:12–46:29] The “Never Again” List — Most Emotionally Frustrating Drafted Player

• Winner: A.J. Brown (Eagles WR)
• “I don’t know if I want to ever do it again… always bullshit with him, always a hamstring injury.” (DK, 44:29)
• “Even when he scores, the juice is not worth the squeeze.” (Craig, 44:57)
• Honorable misery: TreVeyon Henderson (Patriots RB)

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[47:24–48:58] Ringer Fantasy League Update

• Heifetz and Craig tied at 6–2 for first.
• “I play Craig this week, so that'll be a big game.” (Heifetz, 47:27)
• “Bill is still in last.” (DK, 47:49)
• DK: Team riddled by injuries, “kind of hanging on.”
• Prophecy: “So fantasy's going to win.” (Heifetz, 48:20) — accepting the randomness of the game.

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[49:02–67:10] FANTASY COURT: Heifetz vs. Craig, Commissioner's Dilemma

• Issue: Yahoo IR glitch locks teams if player is still on IR after being activated; Craig couldn’t manage roster.
• Craig’s take: Thought it was a routine fix, but Heifetz “sent a 2,000-word text to the league, making it seem shadier than it was."
• Heifetz’s perspective: Defensive, over-explains to avoid drama with bosses/league, invokes “sunlight is the best disinfectant.”
• DK’s arbitration: “Somewhere in the middle—it’s a weird power dynamic, but this was a completely unhinged text” (Craig, 59:33)
• Key moment:
  • “The price of fixing your team is I get to make fun of you in the chat. It’s the toll!” (Heifetz, 64:48)
  • “You fomented a controversy that did not exist just to kind of get things going.” (DK, 58:27)
• Amazing display of pod’s dynamic—joking, annoyed, and self-aware all at once.
• “Anyway, Craig lost.” (Heifetz, 65:25)

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[69:54–72:14] Fantasy Court: Fat-Finger Accepting a Trade

• Listener “Max” asks if a trade he butt-dialed an acceptance to—with immediate regret—can be reversed.
• “Undo it, right?” (DK, 71:12) — all agree, fairness wins, just make it right.
• Include suggestion: “Maybe there should be a punishment—a second ‘are you sure?’ click.”

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[72:14–84:14] Listener Emails, Premier League Story Time, "Cousins" Relationship Poll

• All-time Premier League prank: A guy impersonates George Weah’s cousin, bluffs his way onto Southampton in 1995.
  • “Turns out the guy made the whole thing up.” (Heifetz, 75:13)
• “Cousins” romance follow-up: Listeners overwhelmingly say, “Do it, kid."
  • “Every email was: yeah, there’s no blood, why is it weird?” (Heifetz, 78:31)
• Breakfast check-ins: Blueberry muffin, Red Bull & a cigarette, Ikea yogurt.
  • “Muffins are breakfast cake.” (Heifetz, 72:26)

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[84:14–90:53] Off-Topic Goofing—Tattoos and Earrings

• DK reveals “freckle tattoo”—a tiny dot.
• Craig had a mid-aughts cartilage hoop earring.
• Possible future fantasy league punishments: temporary/henna tramp stamps.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Jonathan Taylor:
  • “The talent was always there, but I feel like he never had that reputation… now this year, rightfully so, he’s in that conversation.” (DK, 14:48)
• On midseason takeaways:
  • “This is a good reminder to enjoy this and revel in it.” (Craig, 15:13)
• On waivers:
  • “No one made fun of you when you had to add Keenan Allen. I think that’s what pushes Daniel Jones over [for waiver MVP].” (Heifetz, 31:55)
• On A.J. Brown:
  • “The juice is not worth the squeeze.” (Craig, 44:57)
• On league drama:
  • “The price of fixing your team is I get to make fun of you in the chat.” (Heifetz, 64:48)
• Listener polling on 'cousin' romance:
  • “The only argument to not do it is that it will be really awkward if it doesn’t work out at family functions.” (DK, 78:59)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 01:36 – Show intro, midway point banter
• 02:43 – NFL news, QB changes
• 10:30 – Outline of award categories & voting process
• 11:44 – Fantasy MVP: Jonathan Taylor
• 16:00 – Compliment Sleeper: Drake Maye
• 18:15 – Bust Sleeper: Caleb Johnson & others
• 24:58 – Non-JT MVP: Jackson Smith-Njigba
• 29:44 – Bust: Brian Thomas
• 31:09 – Waiver Wire MVP
• 33:54 – Embarrassing Good Pick
• 37:16 – Tight End of the Year
• 41:11 – Hype Guy Who Delivered
• 44:12 – “Never Again” Player
• 47:24 – Ringer League update
• 49:02 – Fantasy Court: Yahoo IR Glitch drama
• 69:54 – Fantasy Court: Butt-dial trade disaster
• 72:14 – Listener interaction: Premier League grift, “cousins” dilemma
• 84:14 – Fun closing: tattoos, earrings, punishment ideas

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Final Thoughts

The pod captures the roller-coaster of expectations, the randomness of fantasy football, and the fun of friendly league drama. With their characteristic blend of stats, snark, and real-life war stories, the hosts bring midseason reflection to life for listeners—whether they’re atop their standings or plotting next year’s draft revenge.

For more, follow @RingerFantasy and check out the weekly rankings at fantasyfootball.theringer.com.

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Transcript

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Heifetz]

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I am joined by Danny K. And Craig Korbeck and it is Power Hour where every Wednesday we power rank something. This week we are giving out the mid season fantasy football awards because we are somehow halfway through the NFL season, which I kind of can't believe. Also, I don't really want to hear from anyone that there's 17 games and eight isn't really half. I don't give a. We're doing half.

[Craig Korbeck]

Close. I don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

Nerds. I don't want to hear about how this isn't actually halfway through. No interest in that. Craig, is it? I feel like have I feel like every week eight for my entire life we've been like, wow, it's week eight already.

[Danny K]

I know, I know. It's like as you get older, you like the small talk that you used to think was annoying when you become an adult, you're like, oh, I actually am now starting to say these things every day. I'm like, man, at least it's a great day out, boy. Like when you go to an amusement park. I remember my dad used to always make the dad joke of like, when we get to a ride and we'd beat the line, like we'd get off the ride and then there'd be a huge line and he'd be like, boy, did we come at the right time. I'm starting to say those things. Which is the same vibe as like, can you believe we're halfway through the NFL season?

[Craig Korbeck]

So we're burning daylight here with I.

[Danny K]

Can'T believe we're halfway through the NFL season.

[Danny Heifetz]

Days are long, years are short. Okay, so with that, let's just get to a couple things in news and then I'll get to the mid season awards. We'll probably hit these all more in depth on the Friday episode. Just previewing the week, but I want to just note Saints benched quarterback Spencer Rattler.

[Danny K]

Big news.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know, I know. It's. They're gonna start Tyler Shuck. I just kind of wanted DK to remind people, Tyler Shuck mostly for scouting report. That's a lie. Someone for scouting report mostly so we could just get a one pot shot in at Tyler Schuck. Being old.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, 26 years old. I think it's ironic and hilarious that they, the Saints decided to pick the one guy who most resembles Derek Carr in the draft after New Orleans fans completely turned on him very quickly. He probably has a like better personality, to be fair.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, but statistically, definitely.

[Craig Korbeck]

Probably the reason he's so similar.

[Danny K]

Is he a better guy or football player, you think?

[Danny Heifetz]

Better guy.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know, honestly. Because make it to the NFL and go in the second round, you gotta be pretty fucking good. He's probably a better quarterback. I will say the one thing that stood out to me most on his tape is just his. I don't even know how to explain it. He is just so terrified of taking sacks that he will throw the ball wherever. There's one play in particular where he sees the passengers coming, pass rush coming and it's seriously like he underhands it and goes and like, like throws it almost directly to a defender. I believe they dropped it, so that was fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

But there's no polite way to say it other than I think the most objective way you could say it is Tyler Schuck plays like someone who had to take three medical shirt red shirt years.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right? Sure he. Do you remember the play where Geno Smith saw Aaron Donald come in and goes, oh, that is the ethos that Tyler Shuck plays.

[Danny Heifetz]

The fact Jordan Morgan, baby.

[Danny K]

Jordan.

[Danny Heifetz]

Run. Jordan.

[Danny K]

I feel like Tyler Schuck is such a good example of the draft season being too long. Where by the time it was actually like late April, there were a few people talking themselves into why Tyler Schuck could maybe work in the NFL. And now that we're actually. He's on a team and we're in the NFL season and he's in a game, you're like, how the fuck was this guy's second round pick? There's no way this is going to work. Like, there's no way.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's just also so funny just pulling up his Tyler Schuck's career college stats because there's just so many lines for college. Like it just says, right? Like 2018, Oregon, 2019 Oregon, 2020 Oregon, Texas Tech. Texas Tech. Texas Tech, Louisville. I don't just. You just never see seven years in one person.

[Craig Korbeck]

He has four college degrees.

[Danny Heifetz]

Does he really have four?

[Craig Korbeck]

That's two. That's at least two too many.

[Danny K]

He has degrees from all four.

[Craig Korbeck]

I'm pretty sure he has four college degrees.

[Danny K]

How is that possible?

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's like Van Wilder.

[Danny K]

He backed up Justin Herbert.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's actually crazy.

[Danny K]

Who's in year five of his career?

[Danny Heifetz]

Justin Herbert has. Has rookie contract has expired and he's been paid a quarter of a billion dollars and is now outperforming that contract. You know what, people get it. Anyway.

[Craig Korbeck]

All this being said though, he's starting.

[Danny Heifetz]

He'll.

[Craig Korbeck]

I will note, it probably makes sense for them to see what he can do at this point.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, they took him. They should probably see also.

[Danny K]

I'm sorry, Justin Herbert is in year six of his career.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's actually.

[Danny K]

That is nuts.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's unreal. Anyway, so what? Speaking of people got hurt, Carson Wentz has season ending surgery. We talked about this a little.

[Craig Korbeck]

Real convenient. Sorry, continue.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, convenient. Anyway, so fixing his dislocated left shoulder, torn labrum, fractured socket. Really convenient. The.

[Craig Korbeck]

Well, I was making reference to the fact that the Vikings don't really want to start J.J. mcCarthy, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, they. Who do you think would outperform the only other Vikings quarterback on the roster? Now that Wentz is hurt, he is going to get surgery. He's going to be gone. He is Max Brosmer, who is had one year at the University of Minnesota and then the previous few years was at New Hampshire.

[Danny K]

I don't think he's real.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I mean, he seems like a cat.

[Craig Korbeck]

That man is not real.

[Danny K]

Oh, my God. On the plane, that man's not real Max Brosma.

[Danny Heifetz]

They have to. Vikings have to trade for a quarterback even to just back up JG McCarthy. Like you can't have J.J. mcCarthy is going to play with this high ankle sprain that needed two months to heal. If he hurts his ankle again, they're going to have Max Brosber. Like they need to trade for trade deadline's next week. Minnesota actually has to go get a backup, and the backup will probably just compete for the job with McCarthy.

[Danny K]

Naturally, they're kind of, you know what it's time for? It's time for Kevin oconnell to fix Jamis Winston.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, God.

[Danny K]

That's what needs to happen, James.

[Craig Korbeck]

I vote for Anthony Richards.

[Danny Heifetz]

That is way better than all the fake trades I had thought of.

[Danny K]

Jamis is going to be good under Kevin oconnell, you watch. And Justin Jefferson is going to finish as the number one wide receiver in fantasy.

[Craig Korbeck]

Well, I could see that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I actually had.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's not very far fetched.

[Danny Heifetz]

I actually had never once in my entire life actually considered like, what if Jameis Winston stopped making bad decisions on the football field, how good he could be. Actually, there's no limit and that won't happen. But even thinking about it is really funny.

[Danny K]

The limit does not exist. The ceiling is the roof. If that happens.

[Danny Heifetz]

Honestly, I keep wondering if Kirk's gonna end up there. And the Kirk cousins played so poorly last week, I don't think they could even do it. So when you have to trade for quarterback, were they just going to have McCarthy injured with nobody behind him?

[Craig Korbeck]

When you said the Max Brosner thing. Brosmer, sorry. That he's not real, it occurred to me it'd be funny if teams did this as a bit. Because beat reporters and sports writers in general don't like to admit when they've never heard of a player. And like, you know, everybody wants to know where everyone is. Needs to know where this guy went to college. Like, it's the one sports writer thing is like we all know where someone went to college. It would be funny if a team just randomly started putting in like fake players and see how long it takes beat reporters to be like, wait, this guy's not actually real. I've never heard of this.

[Danny K]

Yeah, you have to beat reporter. Like, so what did you think of Elliot Richmond in college? And they're like scrambling. Oh yeah, I actually thought he was. He was underrated. Well, he's not real.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, I remember watching it. I remember seeing him when, when they were playing Duke. Yeah, he definitely stood out.

[Danny K]

You remember his Big game against Louisville, right?

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny K]

No, Yeah, I do. Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Me and someone I will not name were joking that we. We've always wanted to make up a player at the combine each year and just be like, yeah, the kid from like made up like real school made a player center and just be like, wow, yeah, coach is done. And just see if we could create buzz around a player.

[Craig Korbeck]

Water cooler buzz. Yeah.

[Danny K]

See, Ty Whittingham out of Western Michigan is nice.

[Danny Heifetz]

We always wanted to start it on the first day and see if by the end of the trip someone else told it to us.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's like. That would be the dream.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's good.

[Danny K]

We should. We should bring somebody from the ringer with us to the combine and pretend like they're a player and like follow behind them.

[Craig Korbeck]

Pretend they're a gm.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like James Gladstone.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll never get over that. Anyway, I do it. Remind me about emails. Remind me about an email relevant to this conversation at the end episode. Also, Lamar Jackson's probably gonna play Thursday night football playing the Dolphins. Ravens, obviously, if they win that game, claw back to three and five and then they could face JG McCarthy or Max Brosser, the Vikings and the Dylan Gabriel at the Browns and Fields with the jets or Tyra Taylor. Ravens do have a serious path back to six and five, but they need it. But if Lamar can beat Miami on Thursday, it'd be big. And then also, yeah, Broncos cornerback Patrick Certain is out for weeks and we just made a face.

[Craig Korbeck]

Dk, you said it, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you bullied me into it. I just. Why is the eye there? And if it's not certain, why the fuck is the eye there? I know it's Patrick's or Tan, but it always trips me up.

[Danny K]

Yeah, but you don't say, I am certain that we are going to the movies later today.

[Craig Korbeck]

You say, sir, checkmate.

[Danny Heifetz]

Damn, that's true. But you say stain.

[Danny K]

I like and complain.

[Craig Korbeck]

You're always so indignant about spelling things.

[Danny K]

Well, English language is. English is difficult.

[Danny Heifetz]

English is super hard.

[Danny K]

There's no rhyme or reason to have the way you say things in English.

[Craig Korbeck]

Certain.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like, sir, you know what, let's move on. We're gonna power rank. The good point though. We're gonna power rank the mid season awards and we're gonna just go through and we're gonna give up awards to fantasy players at the first. Not like people listening. The players in the field, the real players that are on our fantasy teams.

[Danny K]

Yeah, we're. We're deep into the season now enough to. To, like, know the narratives that are going to stick. Like this is now. When you're talking to people about the fantasy season, you can already kind of recap what was a disaster and what wasn't with some kind of clarity where it's like, look, Jonathan Taylor is good. This is not a fluke. They think like that.

[Danny Heifetz]

And it's a fun time capsule in case anything changes or there's interesting stuff. So it's worth memorializing. So gonna go through this power hour style every two minutes. You can hear this sound.

[Danny K]

It's a great song.

[Craig Korbeck]

Love that song.

[Danny Heifetz]

Incredible song. Okay, so we're just gonna go through these awards 1 to 10 kind of lying about. I don't really know if this is a power ranking. It's kind of just the awards in an order that I thought would work. So I don't know if that's a ranking.

[Danny K]

We submitted our picks and then we kind of distributed it based on how passionate we were about who should win each award.

[Danny Heifetz]

I.

[Danny K]

We've.

[Danny Heifetz]

I've taken your picks and doled out the ones that were obvious and have like a third of them. We still have to figure out during the conversation. Those will take longer.

[Danny K]

That's half the fun. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So with that said, number one, this one's super easy. Fantasy mvp, which honestly. Don't get lost in the V of the VP Valuable. It's like, who's having the best season.

[Danny K]

I know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Get lost. I was wondering that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know.

[Craig Korbeck]

You know what? You can't. I'm. I'm giving you permission to get lost.

[Danny Heifetz]

In the V. I had this thought.

[Danny K]

Though, for I'm Sit this one out.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't get lost in the vlog.

[Danny K]

Be.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's true.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. The val. The valuable part. Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Everyone get mvp and it's all this like, well, what's value? And it's like, who had the best year? Everyone's.

[Craig Korbeck]

You know, unfortunately, this is a player that high. Fitz took in the ringer fantasy League. I feel like that's kind of a theme here. If it's always takes the right players. Which is. Is still very weird to me. Hiitz is especially because I'm weirdly good at this. This game that we play.

[Danny K]

What. Why is it weirdly good? Isn't that his job?

[Craig Korbeck]

No, I'm just. I'm just giving him. Of course he. He's very good at this. I just want to give him his flowers. But I can't do it in a very nice way. I have to do it in sort.

[Danny K]

Of a circadian Backhand it?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, probably because I recommend players that do poorly and other people take them, and then the players who are good, I end up with.

[Danny K]

So, you know, it's kind of just.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like every fantasy leg I'm in with heights. He's just a wagon.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, so the MVP is Colts Jonathan Taylor.

[Craig Korbeck]

Jonathan Taylor for the Colts. Who Was the running back? 9 in average draft position. I think a lot of people were very afraid that the Anthony Richardson offense would suck and that Jonathan Taylor would not catch any passes. The Colts offense does not suck. In fact, it is through eight weeks. I saw this, the fourth best offense of all time according to dvoa. And it's like the teams ahead of them are the ones you'd think. It's the 07 Patriots, the 2013 Broncos. So, yeah, this is a very, very good offense. And Jonathan Taylor is the engine that runs that offense. He's the RB one by a mile. He's averaging almost 26 points per game. Next closest is Christian McCaffrey, who also is on Heifetz's team. At 21 points a game, he has 14 touchdowns, four games with three plus touchdowns this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

A running back hasn't had 20 rushing touchdowns in the NFL in 20 years. And Jonathan Taylor is 14 halfway through the season.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's wild.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sorry. He has 12 for rushing. I just. We've talked. Well, there you go. Everyone gets it at this point. That's good timing. It's fine. We've. We've talked about John Taylor.

[Danny K]

I do think a lot of people, and this is not discrediting Heifetz, but, like, heifers took Chase Brown an entire round before Jonathan Taylor. I think a lot of people really reluctantly just landed on Jonathan Taylor. I think it was like, he's there and there's like, no one else I really like. I guess I'll take him. Nobody was, like, reaching for him in drafts.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was between Chase Brown and Jonathan Taylor, and then he fucking came back to me around later, and I. I couldn't believe it. And I just was like, okay, sure. And honestly, that's how you usually win your leagues. Yeah, he's. We're going to do a whole episode about him next year. Probably just. He's the poster boy for what we always say. Boring players, 100%, for whatever reason. Boring, talented players.

[Danny K]

I'm looking at our draft van took Alvin Camara before Jonathan Taylor. Like, people just were not into him. It's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it just fades into the background. So, yeah, John Taylor, we've talked about him a lot. So we can.

[Danny K]

It's nice he's getting the recognition because the talent was always there, but I feel like he never had that reputation. And now this year, rightfully so, is putting him in that conversation.

[Danny Heifetz]

Currently the fourth best. Just running backs who've had 200 fantasy points halfway through the season in the last 20 years is just like McCaffrey 2019. Todd Gurley 2018. Ladanian Thomas in 2006, which is the best fantasy season ever. And then John Delir this year. So that's pretty.

[Craig Korbeck]

I think, yeah, this is a good reminder to, like, enjoy this and. Yeah, yeah. Revel in it.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then, you know what? It. Whatever. I know I've tried to move on twice, but third time's the charm. The guys with four hat tricks in one season in the 21st century are just Marshall Falk breaking the touchdown record in 2000. Priest Holmes breaking the touchdown record in 02. Priest Toms re breaking the touchdown record in 2003. Chevy Sean Alexander breaking the touchdown record in 05, with Danny Thompson breaking the record in 06. So it's like literally just only historic seasons are what John Taylor has been doing.

[Danny K]

And he did it in eight games.

[Danny Heifetz]

He did in eight games, not a full season. So it really is unbelievable. Okay, third time's the charm here. Moving on. Sleeper of the year. Complimentary. Like, the best sleeper of the year. This one. I think it dk. I feel like it has to be Drake May, the Patriots quarterback.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. So I think we always come into the seasons looking for the elusive dual threat guys. And for whatever reason, I don't think we talked ourselves into Drake May as much as we should have. But he was definitely sort of one of those guys in that group where I could see him throwing a bunch of touchdowns and also rushing a little bit because he scrambled so much. And so we talked about him a lot in the off season, and people that took that risk and made that gamble, it's definitely paying off. He is. He was drafted as a QB16, and through eight weeks, he is the QB4 in points per game behind only Mahomes, Allen and hertz. He has 15 pass touchdowns, only three picks. He's rushing for a bunch of yards. He's third in rushing yards at quarterback position. And I mean, maybe among all players, the guy that's made the biggest jump in the NFL.

[Danny K]

We have a category coming up later called the hype guy who actually delivered. And I think the reason why, dk, you're like, oh, I don't know if he was necessarily discussed as much as he should have been. Blah, blah is. I think people. People were kind of. It was so obvious that Drake, like every fantasy analyst was like, drake may is the best pick you can make outside of the top 10 quarterbacks, bar none. And it. And it was almost like if. If there was almost so much conversation around it, like Trevor Lawrence being the number one overall pick or. Or camp. Like, we just didn't talk about it and then it ended up working out. So I. I feel like it was something that every fantasy analyst, like, kind of agreed on. And I almost think that sp scared us. We were like, this is so obvious.

[Danny Heifetz]

About him as being the ninth. We had him ranked as the ninth quarter.

[Danny K]

No, we totally did. Yeah, we definitely did. But it's almost hard. It's like you can only gush over somebody so much in the off season. We almost just like stopped and moved on.

[Danny Heifetz]

But yeah, half the problems we work for Bill and we don't want to just be like talking about the goddamn Patriots quarterback the entire offseason. But we had him ranked as a top 10 quarterback the entire time. And I think what's cool is he was the most hyped quarterback of the entire year for fantasy and he's outperforming it. And honestly, hype in general won this year because between Mecca Buka for the Bucks, Tyler Warren.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the hype players outperformed. If you reached for the hype guys, they still were rewarding you.

[Danny K]

And like, he's the sleeper of the year in fantasy. And also that's translated in real life. Like, he's probably even better at real life football than he is at fantasy.

[Craig Korbeck]

Seriously. Yeah.

[Danny K]

It's not just like a Justin Field situation where it's like, oh, he's going to run enough to get you 20 points a game. He is actually as good as in real life as he is in fantasy, if not better.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he's been unbelievable. So the next category here is sleeper of the year, but it's derogatory. It's all the other sleepers you took over the cool sleepers and you regret it. So, Craig, I, you know, I think chief anger correspondent here. Who's the sleeper of the year? Derogatory.

[Danny K]

I. There's a lot of candidates here. Where my head actually went was Caleb Johnson, the third round pick, running back to the Steelers. I almost think we forget about how big of a bus he was because how. Of how immediately irrelevant he became. I mean, he was probably dropped in fantasy leagues after like two weeks. He was taken 75th overall in fantasy drafts. He was the RB28.

[Craig Korbeck]

75Th. Wow.

[Danny K]

Yes, he was the RB28. I mean most people thought it's like we already forget this because Kenneth Gainwell has been kind of a thing and Johnson has disappeared. But like it was like, oh, the Arthur Smith run game. It's going to be Warren and Caleb Johnson. Najee Harris is gone. People were comparing Caleb Johnson's running style to like Derrick Henry light. Derrick Henry with Arthur Smith worked. This is going to be like Dion Lewis and and Derrick Henry on the Titans and he was just immediately irrelevant. He basically lost the Steelers that game to the Seahawks where he screwed the kickoff. Oh yeah, the kickoff. And he basically hasn't played since. He gets like a carry a game.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's I one of my bigger regrets of the year is not pounding the table for Jalen Warren just because Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator is a hard guy to play for and so is Aaron Rodgers as a rookie there. And just the two of them, it wasn't gonna work. Caleb.

[Craig Korbeck]

Respect. It seems so obvious, doesn't it?

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I'm furious at myself. I, I There are some other nominees here for sleepers that if we're gonna go over here, but there's so many people that we have to air grievances with.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

RJ Harvey for the Broncos just had a great game for the Dallas, he had three touchdowns. How many times have we talked about how mad we are? Trivia Henderson and the Patriots like every week for a month. Yeah. RJ Harvey until last week had like six more points than Trivian Henderson and RJ Harvey went just as high basically, depending.

[Craig Korbeck]

Also didn't he have. He had three touchdowns on like eight touches.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Or seven touches.

[Danny Heifetz]

So it's just that Harvey is like been infuriating. Matthew golden, the receiver for the Packers. I will take the L. If you have golden, it's probably because I talked about him.

[Danny K]

This is the whole thing with rookies, though.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's hard.

[Danny K]

Like these rookies take a while.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's all off season.

[Craig Korbeck]

We were like if you needed gambles with rookies. Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

We were like, you get a Mika Buco, that's the best case. If you compare him with Ricky Parasol, that's plan B. And then Paris will get hurt. Plan C is man. Matthew golden, what a great sleeper. And what's mad about Matthew Golden? He's the 65th best receiver in the season. No touchdowns, three different games, under 20 yards. And then last week, if you've had golden this whole time, you're like, I need you this week by Apocalypse. Six teams are on by. If you play, you might have had to play Matthew golden this last week. Gets four yards.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I'm like, God damn it, Matthew Golden.

[Danny K]

I do think it's still. Caleb Johnson, though, is the winner because he's got Matthew Golden, RJ Harvey. They are still on rosters. People are holding on like Caleb Johnson is. Is.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's an afterthought. He's on waver.

[Danny K]

Caleb Johnson has 13 touches this entire season.

[Craig Korbeck]

We haven't brought him up one time on the waiver wire.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, he doesn't play. He's just. He doesn't. He doesn't play. There's one other person I want to make the case for. Just because we haven't talked about this person. We talked about waivers. We talk about adding Colston Loveland, the tight end for the Bears.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And we did even mention. I actually think you could argue that Colson Loveland's the most painful of all these picks because the thesis was like, oh, man, you can get the next Brock Bowers. And you were probably between two rookie tight ends, Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren, and you might have taken Loveland over Warren.

[Danny K]

Oh, I bet you. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Oh, Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. This Colts team, we have no idea. Or Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams in the new, improved Bears offense. I want 10th overall Ben Johnson made.

[Craig Korbeck]

Laporta the number one tight end when he was in Detroit.

[Danny Heifetz]

How many people were probably like, I don't want to take a top tight end this year, so I'm not going to take Brock Bowers. Not. You're not going to take even in Joku Hawkinson, Evan Ingram, a washed class of guys. I'm going to take a late round tight end. And the. You threw a dart and you hit the only one that was bad because Jake Ferguson and Dallas Goddard and Tucker Kraft and Tyler Warren. And so I would argue Loveland is like in that group. The only miss of tight end at that. If you. That's kind of hard. You probably also cut him after two or three weeks.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So. But yeah, that one's a good one.

[Craig Korbeck]

The other one that I want to shout out real quick is Braylon Allen. I feel like we did. We heard about Braylon Allen for a solid month and about how he was going to take. He was going to put Breeze hall in the cuck chair as he scores all the touchdowns for the. For the Jets. Well, that's really how it felt like. I don't think any player had a worse August than Breeze Hall. If we looked at the actual adp, I bet he fell further than almost any other player that didn't get hurt. Because there was so much hype around Braylon Allen. They were using Braille and Allen pretty interchangeably in the preseason. Braylon Allen was a great sleeper pick. I picked him in a couple of leagues just because I was like, you know, kind of buying into all that hype. And then Braylon Allen just, he just never did anything. He had zero useful weeks. He had the most he scored in a game, 6.9 points. His max rushing yards in a game was 30. And then he got hurt. So that was like the biggest, biggest much ado of nothing I can remember. In August, all we heard about was Braylon Allen and then he just literally did nothing.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny K]

Yeah. It's almost like this is like the lifetime achievement award, even though this is like his third season. But sometimes you just have to give an honorary Oscar to somebody and we're giving it to jsn who's just like, I is it fair to say this is kind of out of nowhere, that he's just a top five receiver in the NFL?

[Craig Korbeck]

I think so. I think that's fair. I would say he was a, he was a good number two. That's kind of his reputation now. He might be one of the best number ones in the NFL. He, he and Drake May, to me are the two guys that have, you know, over overshot what we expected by the most in terms of the two players in the NFL.

[Danny Heifetz]

So the interesting thing with injigba is if you look into it so the counting stats, like he has the most yards by a hundred even though he already had a buy, he's the crux of the offense. Like his 4.4 yards per rep run, which for context is as good as it possibly gets like 4.4 yards per run is like what Tyree Kill was doing in 2023 when he was going to get 2,000 yards. Like four. There it is. There is no level higher that we have ever seen beyond 4.4 yards per out run. Whether 07 Ready Moss or anything, no one's been higher than that. But he's doing that even though in Jig, his A dot is his, like average depth of target is 13 yards downfield. This isn't like his first year with the Shane are we live Waldron, where In Jing was getting the ball at the line of scrimmage. Like, he's going downfield. He's up there with like Troy Franklin's average depth of target. Tyree Kill's average depth of target. Like he's down. Like he's winning at all three levels. He's winning on slants, the inside, he's winning along the sideline. He's winning deep. He's winning on crossers. He's doing it also from the outside. Because that's the other thing is a Jigba is only in the slot 20 of the time. That's the same amount as like Nico Collins or Ted McMillan or like DK Metcalf. Like these giant classic X receivers. It's. They're not just spamming him in the slot. Like Jig was just winning on the outside over and over and over and over again. It's just, it's unbelievable.

[Danny K]

It's.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's. He's doing the things that people thought he couldn't do when they came into. When he came into the NFL, which is win deep and win from the outside. And he's. He is like untraditional number one receiver, but he absolutely is the number one receiver. In fact, like, his. His win rate on the outside is one of the best in the NFL.

[Danny K]

He also has a 38 target share, which leads all receivers in the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I need to do a tattoo for the draft. I. I just. I remember watching the Rose bowl when he had the 300 yards or whatever and being like, this is. This guy will.

[Craig Korbeck]

This guy's good.

[Danny Heifetz]

This guy will be amazing.

[Danny K]

If you. We should have a rule. If you have 300 yards in a college game, you're good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Except for Zay Jones.

[Craig Korbeck]

Otherwise, okay, he's still in the league.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think he has the record matches in the game. College.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's having a good career. Ish.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

He had a good day, though.

[Danny Heifetz]

So next category here I have, which is the biggest bust. And I, frankly, I just. This is the category of players you drafted. Instead of taking Jackson, Smith and Jigba, like who's the most disappointing player that you took when you could have had Jackson, Smith and Jake? But I think the nominees are Brian Thomas on the Jaguars, lad McConkey on the Chargers, frankly, Ashton Genti and Brock Bowers on the Raiders, and then just A.J. brown. And so DK, of those nominees, who do you think is the most disappointing person you took over? Jackson, Smith and Jake?

[Craig Korbeck]

I think Brian Thomas. He. So he to me would be the type of player that if you're in last place, it's in. He's the guy you can blame because he was, he was legitimately a borderline first round player. I think some people you had to reach a little bit to take him in the first round, but he's like first, second round turn and right now he is the wide receiver. 42 on the season. He's averaging nine points per game. He has one game over 20 points and just three games with double digit points. And in addition to all that, I mean, the vibes are horrific. He's not in sync with Trevor Lawrence. It seems like they're getting in arguments or, you know, shooting glances in every game. You know, the coaching situation is kind of weird there. They're trying to put in a new offense and everything. He has the yips, he has more. He has like a bunch of drops this season. And if you just go back the last four games, it feels like he's kind of losing his role as the number one receiver because only he only has four more points total than Travis Hunter in the last month. And so with a lot of these guys, I'm like, oh, it might get better down the, down the stretch of the season. But I don't really know if I feel that way about Brian Tides. Like it might get worse.

[Danny K]

It's. I think the answer is Brian Thomas. There are other nominees. They're like, Marvin Harrison Jr. Is also scoring the same amount of points as Brian Thomas. I think DJ Moore has been really disappointing for a receiver. You could have theoretically taken over JSN, but it's, it has to be Brian Thomas. Like DK said, he was going like 11th in drafts. Like this guy was supposed to be a superstar.

[Danny Heifetz]

I still maintain that if I was like one of these guys in the Jaguars, plays cornerback too and doesn't practice that much with the offense, you'd be like, oh yeah, it's Brian Thomas.

[Danny K]

Yeah, Travis Hunter's starting to look good at wide receiver and he doesn't even practice Wide receiver. And he's look looks pretty good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Liam Cohen was like, we're not trading Brian Thomas, which I hate that. That had to get clarified.

[Craig Korbeck]

I mean, that's when things are going well.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Number six here. Number six awards, the waiver wire. MVP of the year. Just the player. The best player. You added off waivers this year. I feel like there's frankly, like, two candidates. Three. And I think it's Daniel Jones, the quarterback for the Colts, It's Keenan Allen, the receiver for the Chargers, and it's Rico Dowdle, running back.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Panthers. I. I feel like it has to be Daniel Jones in part because, like, my brother added him off in this, the oldest league I'm in. And everyone, like, mocked him relentlessly. Even after Daniel Jones was good in week one, everyone made so much fun of him. And then now he just keeps sending these Daniel Jones, Indiana Jones memes to the chat every week. Like, no one made fun of you when you had to. Keen Allen. I think that that has to put. That pushes it over. What do you think, dk?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. I mean, a guy that basically went undrafted scoring almost 21 points a game is massively, massively valuable in fantasy. And, yeah, I put. I put Rico Dowdle because I kind of just forgot about Daniel Jones in a sense. But I think Daniel Jones is the clear cut answer here. I mean, Rico Dowdle has certainly helped a lot of people, but Daniel Jones is the answer.

[Danny K]

Yeah, Dowdle's little. It's like Daniel's had two good weeks. Daniel Jones is the QB5 on the season. He's. He's one of seven quarterbacks averaging 20 points a game. The guy is top 10 in MVP odds. He has the same MVP odds as Jalen Hurts and Baker Mayfield. Like, he is just. And again, he is the reason why nobody drafted Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, it's like this weird one, two punch where it's like. Because nobody believed in Daniel Jones, nobody drafted any Colts players, and now all of them are fantastic because of Daniel Jones and other stuff. But I think it has to be Jones. I mean, he's the QB5.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, it's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I agree. Jones. I. I'm happy for him. I shout out Chase Stewart at Football Perspective, who pointed out that the Giants and Jets have three wins this season and the top two quarterbacks in net yards per attempt this season are Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, so that's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Chill. Tom. Tom, save me. Oh, my God.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Thank you.

[Danny K]

And he's. I just like. He's not spamming points like Daniel Jones like it's all legit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Similarly, the next award here, the embarrassing pick that you either auto drafted or made fun of taking and then now that person is actually crushing it.

[Craig Korbeck]

This is a fun one.

[Danny Heifetz]

I feel like the nominees here are Michael Pittman, the receiver for the Colts, as we were just saying, Quentin Johnson, receiver for the Chargers, Javante Williams for the Cowboys. But honestly, it might have to be Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins because I.

[Danny K]

Think, I think so. Jalen Waddle, who I'm in three leagues, I do have Jalen Waddle in one league because he was going for $5 in an auction draft. And I couldn't help myself, even though I despise this man I drafted.

[Craig Korbeck]

You went against all your I did better thoughts.

[Danny K]

I was like this, we talked about this in August. We were like. As painful as it is to admit, I think there's value with Jalen Waddle. He's the wide receiver 12 on on the season and points per game. But more importantly since Tyreek Hill went down and if you remove that Cleveland terrible weather game, that was a disaster, he's the wide receiver five. He's averaging 17 points per game. And like there are moments where the Miami Dolphins offense like finds its rhythm. It's like it takes a little while. It's like it takes a while to start the car, but the car does start and, and they are using Waddle in that old school dolphins Mike McDaniel way where he's like coming across the middle, these crossing routes, he slants, he's in breaking routes. And Waddle's good. Like you know, he's good when everything's working and it's working.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. I think this is, that's a great call because that was not a pick you could feel very great about making. It was kind of like truly just okay. I think the values here, what I gonna take him because yeah, everybody went.

[Danny K]

Good luck with that guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Testing your principles.

[Craig Korbeck]

Totally. Yeah.

[Danny K]

Yeah. But I think there, there are, there were a lot of nominees. But I what the, the like what Waddle did to the three of us specifically last year, I also think like makes him even more, you know, likely to win this award.

[Danny Heifetz]

But yeah, I also think, well, Michael Pittman to me was a guy that was so late that you're kind of like that wasn't that embarrassing.

[Danny K]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Quentin Johnson was also probably waiver ad. But yeah, Javante Williams is like a classic auto. Like he got auto drafted by people.

[Danny K]

Good one. He wasn't really an embarrassing pick. It was because again it was pretty Late waddle was like, you took him in the fourth round.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right. The Pitman one is interesting because again, it goes back to everything we were talking about with with Daniel Jones and the expectations for the Colts, but high. Fitz, you picked Michael Pittman in the last round of the fantasy draft, isn't that right?

[Danny K]

Yeah, you got Pittman.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's a top 12 receiver on the year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. He literally just didn't get drafted. I also added Javante Williams off waivers.

[Danny K]

Jesus Christ.

[Craig Korbeck]

The. The Quentin Johnson one. I just want to real quick mention is I. I remember at the beginning of the year if you would have taken him in the last round or like auto drafted on accident, even just picked him up off waivers, I think I probably would have been like, ha, that's a waste at the beginning of the year. And now, I mean he's the wide receiver. 19 and he's fading. He had zero points in this last game and, and McConkey is certainly coming on. But like he's been very, very useful for you for the first eight weeks of the season.

[Danny K]

There's also like this guy has not been that good. But there is in terms of getting made fun of for making this pick. Kyle Pitts has been serviceable this year.

[Craig Korbeck]

Totally.

[Danny Heifetz]

What I remember offering DK money out of my wallet to put pits on our list of sleepers.

[Danny K]

You're like 20 bucks, 40 bucks. Kyle Pitts is the wider tight end. Eleven. Like he's been. He's been all right.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's fine. Speaking of which, though, we do have to do have to do next category here we have tight end of the year. And I actually just went with tight end of the year because honestly, there was a lot of tight ends that are good and I wanted to give them all their shine. Tucker Craft on the Packers, Tyler Warren on the Colts, Jake Ferguson and the Cowboys and even Dallas Goddard and the Eagles. I think if you went back through the last four weeks and you had asked us who's the tight end of the year, we would have had one of these four guys. As a different answer, you should last four weeks. So dk, who's the definitive tight end of the year and not someone that we'll just change our mind on Again.

[Craig Korbeck]

This is definitely not recency bias. It's Tucker Kraft for the packers who absolutely went bonkers last week. He is the tight end won on the season by a good amount right now 14 points per game and half PPR. And and I think that the fear with him coming into the season was the packers offense. It's like every week it's something different. They folk, they make a focal point of based on matchups or whatever. But he has a solid 21% target rate, which is fourth most among tight ends. It's not a fluke. This is, this guy is that he's talented enough that they're making him a central part of their passing game and it's really working for them. So I don't think this is a fluke at all. There's going to be ups and downs with every tight end probably. But I mean, Tucker Kraft, he looks like a top three real life tight end and he's the tight end of one in fantasy.

[Danny K]

Yeah, it's tough. Warren. It's like you could give it to Warren just because of the rookie tight end thing. It's just like hard for these guys to. I mean, the second the season started, you watched one game of Tyler Warren and you were like, yep, top five guy. And I think that's the case for him. Kraft, though, I feel like is like the spreadsheets were right. There were all that like all of the fantasy analysts in the offseason were like, oh, the yards per route run stuff in yards after the catch stuff with the Tucker Kraft, like, even if the volume wasn't there, what we saw from him, if you extrapolate it, like, he, he has all the characteristics of being a guy like the next George Kittle type. And he kind of has had a weird season because he has basically just two huge spike weeks and then outside of that, he's been a little bit hot and cold. But the spike weeks are so big and what he can do in the offense is so explosive that he'll like win you weeks. Tyler Warren has been a little bit like 15 points every single game.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, absolutely. The other guy to mention here is Dallas Goddard, who you could have taken on waivers probably and dk.

[Danny K]

The other guy, your favorite, Jake Ferguson.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, yeah. Ferg.

[Danny K]

He.

[Craig Korbeck]

He, you know, he had zero points this last week, so that, that kind of hurts his. His.

[Danny K]

The tight end too after. After a goose egg.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like he was on pace to set the record for most receptions from a tight end.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I know he had a goose egg, but I didn't want to cut him out of this because he had one bad week. Jake Ferg instead, if you're in a full PPR league, Jake Ferguson is by far the number one tight end. In fact, Ferguson, because again, Cat, I. People know how I feel. I think catches getting a full point is insane. The concept that one catch is Equal to first down is stupid. However, if that's how you score points. Jake Ferguson has 60% more catches than Tucker Crafter, Dallas Goddard. Jake Ferguson is 51 catches. There is only one other tight end that has 40, and Jake Ferguson is over 50. The gap between him and everyone else is. Is massive. And that's after not catching a pass last week. It's funny.

[Danny K]

He's like the opposite of Tucker Kraft. He has. He has 18 more. Oh, no. I guess he. Oh. He has 21 more catches than Tucker Kraft and yet he has 130 less yards.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

So PPR is more of a catch and fall down type of guy. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ppr. Tight end of the year is Jake for Ferguson.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, wait.

[Danny K]

So who. Who's winning? Is it Warren or is it Craft?

[Craig Korbeck]

High Fitz, you get to be the judge here.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it is Tyler Warren because you have been able to be part of this Colts ride, which is extra cool. Tucker Craft had two massive spike weeks, but actually kind of lulled in the middle. And you probably were like there was a buy early buy and an injury and like there was a little. You were kind of. You were probably wondering if Tucker Kraft was a flash in the pan. Warren has been just consistently fun and it's cooler to be a part of the cults thing. So I. I will give the tiebreaker to Tyler Warren.

[Danny K]

I agree.

[Craig Korbeck]

Sweet.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hype. Got next one here. Hype guy who actually delivered and I know we just sleeper the year. It's similar. Drake May, Emeka Buka, Tyler Warren. Are they even eligible for this? I think we almost have to put them. Are we putting the side or what are we doing here?

[Danny K]

I mean, my answer was Drake May because I just think like everybody was. Was saying it's going to be Drake May and it just absolutely was.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, they just kind of delivered.

[Danny K]

Like you couldn't find somebody who wasn't into Drake. Man. Fantasy this off season. And it's worked. Usually that doesn't happen.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk, what do you have?

[Craig Korbeck]

I think you wrote a booka and I think that's a very fair one because we were everybody. It was like everywhere you looked. It was every. It was your favorite fantasy analysts favorite guy in the draft basically because everyone kind of fixated on him. Chris Godwin coming off this big injury. So I think he definitely fits this bill. The one guy who I pointed out just. And this is more of just a personal thing because I talked about him incessantly. I got to the point where I was like, I probably should just shut up about this guy, because he is probably pretty volatile coming into the season, but George Pickens for the Cowboys, who. He was one of my favorite picks. I have him on like seven teams. I just kept picking him. He felt like a really great value going from a terrible passing offense in Pittsburgh to, you know, one of the best passing offenses in the NFL in. In Dallas. Obviously it helps his case that CD Lamb got hurt. So there was like a little bit of luck with the run out in terms of like the points he was scoring per game. But I think I haven't really heard anything about off field stuff with him. That was like always the big question, what is he going to do if he starts not getting enough targets? He's just been balling out basically from start to finish. He's the wide receiver. Six on the season so far. 685 yards and six touchdowns. He's tied for second in the NFL and touchdowns. Seems like he's loving life in Dallas right now.

[Danny K]

Yeah, he's happy right now. He's getting fed.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

We always knew he had the talent, right?

[Craig Korbeck]

It was, it was always a big question, but I don't know, I was always a little bit like, I don't, you know what to make of this narrative that Mike Tomlin trading away a receiver automatically means death of that receiver in the pros. I was just. I think I pushed. I pushed back on that because I had way too many George Pickens bags probably. But yeah, it's good to see him thriving right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Tomlin thing was the history of every receiver who's ever left Pittsburgh, except.

[Craig Korbeck]

For not every, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Emmanuel Sanders, who went to the best offense in the history of the NFL was the exception.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, he sucked, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, yeah, obviously he did. Well, no, the answer was the Pickens was like a head case, but. Well, no, that's still. Yeah, good call.

[Craig Korbeck]

Well, I'm just saying he's the wide receiver. Six.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hopefully he also. Maybe we'll see though. Maybe he got CD Lamb hurt. You know, maybe it wasn't luck. Maybe, you know, make your own luck.

[Craig Korbeck]

Nancy Kerrigan situation.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, exactly.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny K]

Also, like, this doesn't rule out the fact that like Pickens, if the Cowboys sneak into the playoffs, will have some ridiculous unsportsman like contact penalty in a crucial moment in the fourth quarter and everybody will be like, yep, that's George Pickens.

[Danny Heifetz]

Last one here.

[Craig Korbeck]

I'm taking my lap right now, Craig.

[Danny K]

For sure, for sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's why we do the show. The last one here is the guy you will never, ever Draft again because of what he's done the last eight weeks. Even if you know it's a good idea, you emotionally aren't ready for the journey.

[Danny K]

I nominated A.J. brown.

[Craig Korbeck]

Who? I second the motion.

[Danny K]

Yeah. I don't know if I want to ever do it again. I won't do it again. It's always going to be bullshit with him. I feel like it just. He also feels like he's always going to have a hamstring injury when it's convenient for him. And I can't read the Diana Rossini articles every week anymore. I just can't. It's just, it's cool when he plays well, but he, he. It feels like he's like dogging routes when he knows he's not going to be targeted. I just. I'm good. I'm out.

[Craig Korbeck]

The juice is not worth the squeeze.

[Danny K]

No, it's not.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm shocked you didn't say Trayvon Henderson for this one. Craig.

[Danny K]

AJ My expectations with AJ Brown were like, I got one of the best wide receivers in the league on one of the best offenses in the league and he is one of the safest players you can draft and will deliver every week. And it's been the exact opposite. At least with Travion, it's like, I don't know, this guy's a second round pick and he's a backup to start the season. Like A.J. brown. This every. When I drafted A.J. brown in my high school, everybody went, great pick. Damn, I really wanted A.J. brown. Wow. Oh. 32 bucks. Pretty good for A.J. brown. And it's a disaster. I'm never going to spend that money on him again.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's a highly unenjoyable experience.

[Danny K]

Horrible, horrible experience. I'm having a terrible time with him and I can't do anything about. I just have to start him every week. He's handcuffed me.

[Craig Korbeck]

Even when he scores a lot of points, it doesn't give you confidence that it'll ever happen again.

[Danny K]

It even feels like with the touchdowns he scores, for some reason they don't even really look like he's trying, which maybe shows that he's that good and athletic. But there are like. His 50 yard touchdowns are coming, kind of like jogging and he's still begrudgingly scoring.

[Danny Heifetz]

It feels like they're humoring him too.

[Danny K]

Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is awkward and weird.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny K]

He's gonna be 29 next year. I just like, I don't want to. I don't. I'm not doing it again.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that's.

[Craig Korbeck]

Did you have anyone else?

[Danny Heifetz]

Honestly, just Trayvon. But realistically, Trayvon, I'm not never going to draft him again.

[Danny K]

If, if, if Travian has an awesome month of December, like I'll probably be exactly year.

[Danny Heifetz]

You'll be back on it next year. It's like he was a rookie. A.J.

[Danny K]

Brown'S probably ready. If A.J. brown has an awesome month, awesome month of December, I won't care. Because he should. That's who he is.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny K]

Look at you two boys. Look at us both. Six and two.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're six and two. We're first. And I play Craig this week, so that'll be a big game.

[Danny K]

I'm hanging on here at 4 and 4. I'm in sixth place. My team's kind of been hit by the. The injury bus. Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy have not been kind to me this season.

[Craig Korbeck]

Let's play Bang Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

Bang Craig.

[Danny K]

Bang. Craig is hanging on by a thread.

[Danny Heifetz]

Bangkok.

[Danny K]

Craig is just, you know, Bill unfortunately is still in last. He's two and six tied.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, I hung on to beat Bill this last week. It was, it was not a great week for me. I only scored, I think 116 points, but Marcus Mariota put me over the finish line there. Thank you, Marcus.

[Danny K]

It's looking like the U2 and Sal have the three best teams and I, I think it's going to be one of you three in the end.

[Danny Heifetz]

So we have the three best teams. So what? So fantasy is going to win.

[Danny K]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, just that's how fantasy works.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. Fantasy might win it. Fantasy. It would be, it would be funny because we made fantasy choose all the jobs players.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was saying both it's like the three best teams. It's like, all right, someone else will win.

[Danny K]

Oh, no.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I do. I do feel I'm, you know, just whoever ends up being healthy. I like my team a lot. We'll see if I can get injuries. It's kind of just how it always goes.

[Danny K]

Yeah, I feel like I'm. I'm like Brock Purdy. Even if you play, it's like this guy's never going to be healthy, like, all season. I don't know what the hell I'm.

[Danny Heifetz]

Gonna do with Brock Purdy. And you're playing house this week. House is four and four. You two have the last two playoff spots, so whoever wins that might fall out of the playoffs. So if you beat.

[Danny K]

I'm playing you this week. I'm not playing house.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah. Sorry. Wait. No. Yeah. So you're playing.

[Craig Korbeck]

I'm playing house.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Sorry, T.K. you're playing house.

[Danny K]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right.

[Danny K]

Yeah. You know, we're grinding. We are. We are in the. The doldrums of the season right now. You got to fight.

[Danny Heifetz]

I have been. Speaking of fighting. I have been waiting to talk about this for three days for Fantasy Court. I.

[Craig Korbeck]

So it feels. First of all, it feels very good to not be embroiled in the middle of this. That's all I can say.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I. Craig and I have not spoken about this. We are going to hash this out right now. So I'm going to give. Basically, what happened was.

[Danny K]

Are you going to give as long of a speech now as you did in the text thread, or will it be a little bit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, go ahead. Why don't you explain what happened?

[Danny K]

Okay. I honestly. I. I honestly personally feel like this is like, a very small, like, like, glitch in Yahoo. That is like, a very common thing. And I think. Hi. Vids just made it a lot bigger than it was for kind of no reason other than to kind of make fun of me in the chat, which is fine, I guess, but. So I have. Aaron Jones. He's been on the IR for a long time. Aaron Jones played on Thursday. He was. He was taken off IR late.

[Craig Korbeck]

So hour before the game, hour before.

[Danny K]

The game, we were all in person. I left right after we recorded to drive up to Paso Robo. So I was, like, not looking at my phone or my roster, whatever. Aaron Jones was, like, on my bench, obviously not playing anyway. I think most people probably weren't playing.

[Craig Korbeck]

Aaron Jones.

[Danny K]

Same issue happened in a league that I am the commissioner of. Another guy had the same issue where if you Have. If you have like somebody in your IR spot and then they play a game without you taking them out of your IR spot, it locks your roster. Like, you cannot do anything. You cannot drop or add anybody. And so, of course, it was like Friday or something. I look at my roster, I'm like, oh, you know, Drake London got ruled out late, and I was like, oh, I need to make a move here. Lamar Jackson's not playing. I need to make a move here. And I couldn't. Like, the entire roster is locked. So I go to Heifers and I'm like, hey, just like my buddy Hunter did to me in my other league. I was like, hey, I need you to move Aaron Jones from IR to my bench so that I can, like, make some changes because whatever. And then Heifetz sends like, I think like seven or eight paragraphs to the ringer league and, and, and in it says things like, I know everyone's going to be really upset about Craig, about this. Also, after Craig tried to change the Ravens Pick and Ringer107, which is co.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sign, we were just. Okay.

[Danny K]

I just thought it was like, I mean, it was funny because, like, it. I. I think high Fitz, even you would admit that you were like, you want to break. Like, we want to kind of stoke some out.

[Danny Heifetz]

I wanted to get ahead of it here. Okay, so. But it was your commission.

[Danny K]

It was very over the top.

[Danny Heifetz]

I have in leagues that I'm the commissioner of where on certain platforms, if you have a commissioner change, it gets sent as a push notification to everybody. So I did the same thing you're talking about. We're, again, I. Overall, we get email this all the time. The locking of the rosters because you left someone in IR is insane. Like, you shouldn't get like, the idea that you left a running back in on Thursday. So you can't change your kicker. You can't cut the. You couldn't even cut the player in ir. You can't cut a different player to rectify that. So you don't get to move your kicker, your quarterback on Sunday or Monday because, like, you made IR guy played on Thursday is a crazy rule. So we get emailed about this all the time and we're always like, same answer, like, let them. You should unlock the roster.

[Craig Korbeck]

I think we've probably done this on fantasy court.

[Danny Heifetz]

We have. Because it's a crazy problem. Having said that, that doesn't mean that when you're the commissioner, like, I did this last year and I had to do this for Jackie's team And of course it was Jackie's team. So I was like, I'll just undo it. And of course I get hit with days and days and days of collusion. Commissioner shadow, changing the matchup to help your fiat. Like, all I heard about for weeks was like, that I fucking just changed this setting because it says there's a log. It says commissioner made an update or whatever and change the roster. When do you edit a roster? Yahoo is the same thing where it's like on the Yahoo page underneath all the transactions, it says, commissioner edited Craig's roster and it'll be there. This is the same day we asked Bill, like, we want to take back seats on the Ravens line minus six and a half because Lamar's playing. So the say, so basically there will be a log of the same day we asked to change the rigor. 107. It's going to be like Heifetz edited Craig's roster for him. After the sorry, Sunday morning, it was going to be Heifetz change Craig's roster. And then you've clearly never been in a fantasy league with Mallory Rubin, because I have personally been also, all these people are our bosses and you have never clearly dealt with Mallory Rubin's wrath of like, Mallory once whipped the votes like house of cards for to veto a trade I made. And it was terrifying. And so I did not want the wrath of this league coming down on me when it was easily explained. Because the flip side is we say nothing and then they're like, what the fuck is this? And then I explain it and they're like, that seems pretty shady. So I was like, let me get out of this.

[Danny K]

I completely understand all that.

[Craig Korbeck]

Actually.

[Danny K]

That's very fair. However, you saying that this can be easily explained does not reflect the text that you sent to the group, which again was like 2,000 words.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's kind of complicated to explain.

[Danny K]

It's not that comp. Like, it happened my other league. Somebody was like, hey, Aaron Jones, IR roster lock. Craig, can you move it around? I said, yep, no problem. Nobody said a fucking peep. And this is a league that's been going on for 15 years. To me, you made something that was not very shady at all seem incredibly shady. I think it would have been sending this extremely over the top explanation.

[Danny Heifetz]

And also some light is the best disinfectant. I'm sorry. Like, like, literally just like, hey, here's.

[Danny K]

What we're doing and why.

[Danny Heifetz]

And guess what?

[Danny K]

I think that you very much led the witnesses to believe that I was doing something that was a much bigger deal than it actually was. You spent. This was the longest text I think I've ever seen you send in my life. And that's saying something for you.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's complicated to explain.

[Danny K]

It doesn't even affect who I play. Like, I wasn't even going to play Aaron Jones regardless, because you already, like. It didn't even change my roster. It was just like, it was just. It was nothing. And then I should say, so you. In this text, you, you. This is what you wrote among the 900 paragraphs between this and the Ringer 107 Ravens request from yesterday. Just a brutal weekend for Craig requesting takebacks. Unfortunately, 24 hours.

[Danny Heifetz]

This ringer contest, you wanted take backsies in the same day for both things. I'm like, that had to be addressed.

[Danny K]

Yeah. However, what you did not acknowledge is that I asked you guys first if I should ask Bill about the Ravens take back seats, and you said yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I, I was in the middle of something and I didn't realize you were going to put it in the show.

[Danny K]

So you're just completely throwing me under the bus and then starting this. So you're piling on a brutal weekend for Craig row hasting. Take back seats. You go on to say, unfortunately, though, this will likely happen again this season to somebody else probably.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it happens.

[Danny K]

Can you let me finish? Sorry. You're saying, unfortunately, though, this will likely happen again this season to somebody else parentheses. Probably somebody who doesn't host a fantasy pod and should know better. It's like, Jesus, like, you're supposed to be the objective commissioner here. What are you doing?

[Danny Heifetz]

I was ruling in your. I made, I fixed your team. And the price of fixing your team, I. Look, I, as commissioner, am now going to get the wrath of Bill and Mal and Van and, And the price of that is I'm going to run it with you and then give you what you asked for.

[Danny K]

You were not going to get the wrath. You made this seem like such a bigger issue than it was. And if you are an objective commissioner, if this is a rule that you believe is correct, then you cannot throw me under the bus for not knowing the rule or not preparing for the rule and toss in the Ringer 107 thing. You have to pick a side. Either you think this is bullshit or you think this is just a glitch. And you're doing what you're supposed to do as commissioner, and you didn't do that at all. You made it.

[Danny Heifetz]

I picked your side. I changed your roster, and you got the win.

[Danny K]

Yeah, but you completely threw me under the bus. Like, you completely made it seem like I was doing something way shadier than I was. And I dk you can. I mean, I showed. I was on an Airbnb trip with my friends.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

I showed them this thing, and they were like, Jesus fucking Christ. Like, what? This is not a big deal. And he is completely making it seem like you're trying to, like, pull a fast one on the league.

[Craig Korbeck]

There was, like, a strong element. I don't know if Streisand effect is really the right term for this, but, like, Heifetz was, like, fanning the. Like, it was like.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess I just, like, inarguably.

[Craig Korbeck]

The alarm emoji. Things like, when he could have just said, hey, this is what's going on. I made this switch, I guess.

[Danny K]

Hey. Craig's roster got locked. There's a weird Yahoo glitch. I'm going to move Aaron Jones out of his bench, but it won't affect who he's playing this week. Thanks, guys.

[Danny Heifetz]

You're. We're all the commissioners of this league of different leagues. Do you guys not get, like, totally harassed by everyone in your league?

[Danny K]

I. I think so. Some of the fantasy courts we get. I feel like the. The. The ruling at the end is like, all right, this is supposed to be fun and not insane and ridiculous. And, like, to me, this completely falls into the category of, like, all right.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is the part I forgot. I forgot. On Yahoo, you don't get a push notification to everyone's phone that says, the commissioner edited Craig's roster. On other platforms, it gets sent to everyone's phone immediately that, like, I edited your roster. So if I do that on those things and I don't say anything, then you're right. So. But then if I'm like, oh, edit the roster. I'm like, oh, there's a glitch. And then people. Then everyone's going to pile on, like, collusion, Cheating, cheating. I'm like. And I literally thought to myself, I'm going to hear about this on Bill Show. I was like, bill's going to go on with Sal tonight. And they're going to be like, high. Fitz and Craig are cheating in the ringer, Ringer league. And I'm like, fuck. And you're right. Maybe I should have just left it. But I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to hear about this all week.

[Danny K]

I think you fomented a controversy that did not exist just to kind of get things.

[Danny Heifetz]

Guess what my boring long text van said this is cheating. And then no one responded.

[Danny K]

So it was. Again, it was not a boring, long text. The text was completely destroying me and calling me a clown, essentially. And then. And then people were like, wait a minute. What's going on? Yeah, he is a clown, this commissioner.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let's get it.

[Danny K]

Sending 10 paragraphs. This must be a big deal if he's sending 10 paragraphs about it.

[Craig Korbeck]

You sound so nervous right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, well, I just.

[Craig Korbeck]

I land somewhere in the middle. Real quick. I land somewhere in the middle because I understand from Heifetz's point of view that this is his boss's, and that's like a weird dynamic where this is his boss. He has to be. Yeah.

[Danny K]

What are we talking about here?

[Craig Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

These people run our company.

[Danny K]

I know.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's a weird. It's a weird dynamic, Craig. It's weird power dynamic.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay?

[Danny K]

This league is for free. Like, what do we. There's. There's no power dynamic here. This is like a stupid roster move. Week eight of a fantasy league just because Bill Simmons is the CEO of the company. I mean, like, I. I think I was just.

[Danny Heifetz]

How old are.

[Craig Korbeck]

Craig? You didn't let me get to the butt part.

[Danny K]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Craig Korbeck]

But this was a completely unhinged.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I think I see how it's unhinged. The context I want to give is that when I. Like, I. To be clear, Craig, I totally get what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. And, like, it is. It looks unhinged. The context I would give is I did that last year in this league, and I'm like, hey, there's. And I just edited Jackie's roster, and I was like, yes, she's my fiance, and that looks like a conflict of interest, but I would do this for anybody. And. And I did do it for other people later in the season where I'm like, anyone who has this happen. It was stupid.

[Danny K]

The IR thing you're talking about.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the IR thing. It just happened to happen to Jackie. First is fine. And I just did it, and then I didn't say anything of it. And then people were like, what happened? I'm like, there's a glitch. I didn't fucking hear the end of this. I never heard the end of it. It was all. So then I'm saying, I'm like, this is going to happen again. I'm like, they're going to be like, DK Heifers is helping Craig. They're cheating. And I'm like, oh, my God. And I. In fairness, it was probably anxiety brain. I. I was thinking about all the shit people yelled at me in my other league with my friends on the various Ringer network, and I'm like, oh, my God, I actually have to fucking explain this, don't I? And so I did.

[Danny K]

And so you're right.

[Danny Heifetz]

It probably was unhinged, but I was.

[Danny K]

Yeah, I think it was a little unhinged. And I think what you missed is sometimes more explanation does not necessarily mean it's. It's. It's like less unhinged. Like, more words don't always equal less outrage. Like sometimes you can explain something so much you're actually sounding more guilty.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny K]

And so that was 100. And then you also the little like barbs sprinkling in, like between this and Ringer107. This is a brutal week for Craig as somebody who should know better because he hosts a fantasy pot. It's like, all right, what are you actually trying to do, actually? Well, it was just hilarious because then everybody starts texting me. I don't know. It was just funny. I showed my. One of my friends was like, is he always like this? And I was like, this is like a two out of ten.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, definitely the.

[Craig Korbeck]

That was funny. I love. I was watching this happen in real time because I saw the texts come into the Ringer fantasy league.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, you left me out to dry way before Craig.

[Craig Korbeck]

What was I supposed to do?

[Danny Heifetz]

I need. I asked for your help.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, that's another part of the story, Craig, that I didn't actually talk to you about. He says he needed my help. I got about five texts at 5:30 in the morning, my time on Sunday.

[Danny Heifetz]

9Am Eastern, as they call it.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, I live on the West Coast. Once again, I'm asleep.

[Danny K]

Yeah. What?

[Craig Korbeck]

I got another text.

[Danny K]

Like, you're not allowed. You don't have to acknowledge DK's time zone because.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, he refuses to recognize our time zone.

[Danny K]

What does that mean?

[Craig Korbeck]

And then again, Craig, like an hour and a half later. Are you alive at 6:50?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's Sunday morning.

[Danny Heifetz]

It wasn't judgy. It was just.

[Craig Korbeck]

He was having an absolute meltdown. In other words. And so, like, the fact this all came out the way it did was so funny. And then I saw Craig. I saw Craig. Craig first texts us. It's just me and. Me and Danny that. Hey, by the way, can you get this done? Can you like, move this guy out? Because he hadn't read all the other texts yet. And then comes back after reading the ringer Fantasy league text and he's just.

[Danny K]

Like, what the fuck? What the fuck just happened here? This is like a routine thing.

[Craig Korbeck]

You threw me under the bus.

[Danny K]

I'm happy to post the text to Instagram so people can see how much you sent on this. Cuz I feel. Com completely comfortable and confident in the fact that this was way over the top.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was long. I. I looked at it as like, you know that scene in Veep where they're just like. Like, oh, you want to go through the files? And they just give like all the files. I'm like, I literally was like, this is going to take up my whole day in this thread. And I'm like, I'm going to hear everything, I think, and I'm going to get all done right now. And then no one cared. And you're right, maybe that was crazy. I also think there is a higher percentage chance than you think. It's not.

[Danny K]

Nobody cared. Everybody accused me of cheating because you sent that.

[Craig Korbeck]

The funniest part about you were directly.

[Danny K]

Responsible for the responses of all of those people who then were like, wait a minute, what's going on? Cheating.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like I said, I had to edit Craig's roster because of a glitch. People would have been like, cheating.

[Danny K]

Well, you should have tried that first. And then you could have sent the screed later.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, probably. Sorry.

[Craig Korbeck]

I totally forgot about that. Craig, he was like harassing me at 5:30 in the morning about this. I'm just like, I don't. What?

[Danny K]

And wait, what was he harassing you to do?

[Craig Korbeck]

He said he needed my help.

[Danny K]

For what?

[Craig Korbeck]

And then he said, are you alive?

[Danny Heifetz]

I want to be like an hour.

[Craig Korbeck]

And a half later.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm like, dude, should I explain myself or not?

[Danny K]

Oh, it was funny. That was funny.

[Craig Korbeck]

He whipped himself into a frenzy.

[Danny K]

Also, I don't appreciate you saying brutal week for Craig requesting take back seats. I texted you guys first asking if I should do that and you said yes. I had that text as well. Like, what the.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know you did. That's why I felt like I needed the sunlight. Because I'm like, they're gonna say we're all doing take backs.

[Danny K]

No, but. No but you said culture of take backs. You said Craig tried to take back the Ravens bet brutal week for him. We did.

[Danny Heifetz]

I did not. That I did.

[Danny K]

What kind of commissioner are you?

[Craig Korbeck]

You got to rule with an iron fist.

[Danny K]

I guess I. I guess that's what that is.

[Danny Heifetz]

I will say we're leaving out the fact that I did change your roster. You asked me And I did it. No, we didn't get made fun of in the chat.

[Danny K]

Yeah, yeah, you should have. It's a glitch.

[Danny Heifetz]

But also, if you ever have to ask the commissioner to do anything and, like, I have to go to commissioner Tools and, like, change it. The price of getting everyone to be like, yeah, yeah, the commissioner can edit stuff whenever he wants is, like, you got to make fun of the person. It's the toll.

[Danny K]

No, Yeah, I don't. Yeah, that's totally fine. It just. The way you did it was, to me, just, like, out of control.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's truly waking up on a Sunday morning to, like, a novel of text.

[Danny K]

Dude. I'm, like, trying to pack up to drive home from the bed. I'm like, what the Is happening?

[Craig Korbeck]

Right?

[Danny K]

What is going on?

[Craig Korbeck]

All right, that was funny.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, Craig lost. Anyway.

[Danny K]

I did lose, which again, it would have been the same either way.

[Danny Heifetz]

One point, and it would have been really funny.

[Danny K]

Less than one point. I lost by 0.6.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's crushing. It would have been way funnier if you'd won because of the move.

[Danny K]

Yeah. The real thing that we got made fun of for was the ringer 107 trying to take back the Ravens, but. And then we won. They covered.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, that's reverse karma.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know what they always say about a multiple choice test? Like, don't actually switch your answer at the last.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, just keep whatever you say.

[Danny K]

But wait, isn't there a whole book about how you should change your answer? It's not like, a whole thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it's never changed back. I think it's the ide. I think I forget what it never. Which I guess isn't what we did, but.

[Danny K]

Yeah, I read that book.

[Craig Korbeck]

O.

[Danny K]

What's it called? It's by.

[Danny Heifetz]

Didn't we joke once about doing a segment on the show about segments of books we can't remember by titles?

[Craig Korbeck]

We don't know it. It was really good, by the way.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't remember what they said, who wrote it, or the title, but I. The gist.

[Danny K]

Or maybe it is, oh, wow, I can't remember.

[Craig Korbeck]

You'll get back to us.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. All right. Can I read one other fantasy court here? I guess that went. I guess that was worked. All right, we'll do one other quarter. I think this is.

[Craig Korbeck]

We got to end on something a little happier than that.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is so simple.

[Danny K]

And it's called Think Again by Adam Grant.

[Craig Korbeck]

There we go.

[Danny K]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, you've talked about that book.

[Danny K]

Yeah, it's a good book. And it it is about it. Like, changing your answer often is. Ends up being the. The right move.

[Danny Heifetz]

Your first answer is really the best.

[Craig Korbeck]

First we get. Do we get a fantasy court drop for this next fantasy court?

[Danny K]

Yeah, we should.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know if we have one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he does the drop. I. Craig's right. Like, all these people probably think less of me now, which is funny.

[Craig Korbeck]

But he did change Craig's roster.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, that's the thing we're leaving out. I did. I did it.

[Danny K]

But, like, the. The alternative is you don't. Because you. You to protect the sanctity of. Of the Yahoo glitch.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I just. I Honestly. You're right. I was just speaking. I'm like, oh, my God. They're gonna be like, rigged. And I'm gonna be like, I can't deal with this. And you're right.

[Danny K]

Thought everybody else was as unhinged as he is. And he lives in that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I have seen Mallory Rubin veto a trade. Mallory can unhinge herself at any time for fantasy football.

[Craig Korbeck]

Sean. Sean, Fantasy did. He responded with some, like, jfk.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the jfk. Yeah, that was good.

[Danny K]

It's funny, the people who you were the most afraid of, like, Bill didn't even respond. And you're, like, terrified that the CEO.

[Craig Korbeck]

Probably never read it.

[Danny K]

No, of course not.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was learning about it.

[Danny K]

Like, 2,000 words.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, my God.

[Danny K]

All right, wait. We do have the drop for this fantasy.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, all right. Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't really want to be handcuffed.

[Danny K]

The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched. Did we determine if a cloud is an object?

[Danny Heifetz]

We changed our answer on that one.

[Danny K]

I don't think so, because it obviously can be seen. But can it be touched?

[Danny Heifetz]

We changed our answer on that.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know if we came to a conclusion.

[Danny K]

Craig, you touch a cloud, can you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can you touch fog?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't call fog an object, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, that's the closest we're going to get, right? Like a smoke machine or read the definition again.

[Danny K]

When a plane flies through a cloud, is it touching the cloud? Yeah, I guess if you're moving it, you're touching it.

[Craig Korbeck]

Okay, fine. It's an object.

[Danny K]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess it depends whether touch is just since, like, the perception of touch, like, as you perceive it, or just literally whether the atoms are touching because, like, obviously you're touching the cloud, whether you're perceiving it is up to interpretation.

[Danny K]

Right? Like, are we touching air every day? We are.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Like literally. Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

But we don't think about it.

[Danny K]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wind.

[Danny K]

Wind touches us.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. This is like that.

[Craig Korbeck]

That sort of riddle or trick or whatever about how water isn't actually wet.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, I know.

[Danny K]

Gets you wet.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like off. Wet is only when water touches you. Oh, my God.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

What is that meme you always post? Dk, your joke is factually incorrect.

[Craig Korbeck]

A guide to dying alone.

[Danny K]

Oh, I forgot about the second one.

[Craig Korbeck]

Your joke is factually incorrect. A guide to dying alone.

[Danny K]

That's so good.

[Craig Korbeck]

All right, let's do this fantasy court. What do we got?

[Danny Heifetz]

This is so simple. I love it. This is one of the. This is from Max.

[Danny K]

Max. Max Maxwell.

[Danny Heifetz]

The subject line is just. The subject line is just, I accidentally accepted a very lopsided trade.

[Craig Korbeck]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the email is as the subject says, I accidentally accepted a lopsided trade. I don't know what else to say. Look at the offer. It's terrible. I replied, basically told the guy to fuck off. And then I texted my. And then he said. And then he just hit the button to hit accept. He just fat. He just sausage fingered. He just thumbed the accept button and just hit it. And then immediately talk about your all time backfires. Immediately texted the trade guy and the commissioner and it was like, I don't want to do this at all, please. And he also set an unhinged text, which is great. That's clearly the theme of the day. This.

[Craig Korbeck]

This text is only three paragraphs. Yeah, yours was like seven.

[Danny K]

So this guy just butt Dial accepted.

[Danny Heifetz]

A trade, but Dial accepted a trade. Like he was telling the guy to himself.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think this is so funny.

[Danny K]

And he's asking like, should we be allowed to undo this trade?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think, yes. It's just funny to think that the answer is I accepted it by accident because I'm an idiot.

[Danny K]

His eyes just went towards the green button and just clicked accept.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

What do you think, dk? Undo this, right?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. Yeah. I think my general rule for commissionership is just do what's fair. Yeah. For the. For the good of the league. I guess he didn't want to accept this.

[Danny K]

Maybe he should.

[Craig Korbeck]

Maybe he should have to some sort of punishment for it up though in.

[Danny Heifetz]

This text, he said, I fumbled, I slipped in my tremors of laughter. I hit accept.

[Danny K]

I think every single, like whatever site you use, like when you hit accept or reject it should say, are you sure there should be a second click Yeah, I think most of them have that. Is it Instagram now or Tick Tock? There's some feed where it used to say if you retweeted something, it would ask you if you want to retweet it. And now it just automatically does, which is wild. Which is crazy, because you're like, you could fat thumb it. Now you're just retweeting something that you've. That's just in your algorithm.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. Gonna send Sydney Sweeney's Instagrams to other people's feeds. Like, that's wild. All right, I want to read. There's an email here I have to read.

[Danny K]

Okay.

[Craig Korbeck]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

From M. Bone.

[Craig Korbeck]

Another M. Bone.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Embones breakfast was blueberry muffin and coffee with oat milk.

[Danny K]

Oh, that sounds good. I love a blueberry muffin.

[Craig Korbeck]

Blueberry muffins are the goat.

[Danny Heifetz]

Someone just said muffins are breakfast cake. And I was like.

[Craig Korbeck]

And I. Yeah, they're not very good for you.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't.

[Craig Korbeck]

I mean, per se.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm of that age where I tried to learn how to make muffins, and I was like, oh, my God, is this what's in a muffin?

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

And I mean, it's not like pancakes and French toast are good for you.

[Danny K]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, no, but at least I know when I pour liquid syrup that this is dessert.

[Craig Korbeck]

But I didn't realize muffins are pure sugar.

[Danny K]

They're for sure just cake.

[Danny Heifetz]

I really thought muffins were, like, a bread cake hybrid, and they're basically just cake.

[Danny K]

I try to leave breakfast pastries to the weekend, you know, it's like. It's the best I could do.

[Craig Korbeck]

Craig, you're so healthy.

[Danny K]

I mean, not really. I have, like, 10 beers and a muffin.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, but all the other aspects of your life, pretty good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Craig's Breakfast. Ten beers. Yeah, the. Anyway, so M. Bone's story. So we asked for Premier League stories because I explained last week.

[Danny K]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Shout out Rhino Handlon, who said I did a good job, and that's all. The only approval I need is you said that I did okay.

[Craig Korbeck]

Debundo said you did well, too. For the.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll take it. So I was actually prepared for, like, ridicule. So I'm happy that I basically got the outline right. The. Although I forgot the most important part is that the Champions League is happening at the same time as the Premier League, which is crazy. But anyway, we asked for Premier League facts, and Bone had the best one. And Bone writes. My favorite Premier League story is the infamous story of Ali dia in advance. I'm not gonna get any of these names right, but ali Dia in 19. So anyway, fast forward or rewind. In 1995, this guy named Andrew. Sorry, George Weah W e a h George, we waya wins the Ballon d', or, which is like the player of the year. Like, he's the MVP of all European soccer. And he playing for, like, PSG in Milan, and so he's like, you know, the MVP of the whole continent. So there's this other Premier League team named Southampton, and a player actually gets in touch with the front office and gets the manager on the phone and says, hey, like, I'm George Way, his cousin. I grew up with him. Like, we played together. Like, I've beat. Like, I also played for PSG. I played an international competition, like, 13 times. I just need a contract. Like, give me a shot. Like, I'll join the practice squad. I'll do whatever. Like, just give me a jersey. Just give me a shot, please. And the manager's like, yeah, like, sure. You're the best player in the world's cousin. Sure. So, like, give him a one month contract. And then the team has, like, this injury crisis, and they actually have to dress him for a game, like, pretty quickly. And then there's more injuries. So he goes into the game and this performance, by all accounts, is the worst performance in the history of the Premier League. Like, Nathan Peterman left, like, worst performance ever. And it turns out the guy made the whole thing up.

[Craig Korbeck]

Why did they not check any of this?

[Danny Heifetz]

They didn't check any of it. The manager just heard the story, was like, sure. And they did no due diligence and signed him.

[Danny K]

Wait, what year was this?

[Danny Heifetz]

95.

[Danny K]

Oh, wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

He just called and said, I'm the MVP's cousin, and they fucking signed him and then played him.

[Danny K]

That's so funny. Imagine if that happened now.

[Danny Heifetz]

And this also isn't a lower level Southampton. At the time, it was like Premier League.

[Danny K]

Do you think soccer? Like, did he practice for. For a couple days. And they were like, I don't know about this guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's what I don't understand is how if he's scrimmaging, how he didn't hope out this guy?

[Craig Korbeck]

Who's this guy?

[Danny K]

Again, like, imagine if I was like, I'm Luke Rittenhouse nephew, let me play in the NBA.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

And I just show up and I'm clearly not good enough. Like, I don't know how that worked.

[Craig Korbeck]

This is even one of the highest levels of the sport. What are we doing?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the highest level of sport. What the fuck? I can't believe this happened. I agree, Craig. That was my question too. How did warm ups?

[Danny K]

You'd be like, this guy.

[Craig Korbeck]

This guy ain't it. This guy has no juice. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Danny K]

Wow, that's wild. So. So he played one game and then got booted.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. And then he did it again to some Swedish team. He did it two more times to two other teams.

[Craig Korbeck]

Wow.

[Danny K]

This is like catch me if you can, but sports.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Korbeck]

Seriously?

[Danny Heifetz]

Honestly? Yes.

[Danny K]

That's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

So there you go. I thought that was wild. And then last team in here just. We got a lot of reaction to the cousins thing. The redacted email about shitty.

[Craig Korbeck]

Once again, not actually cousins, but. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Not actually step cousins.

[Danny K]

Not even. No, not even that.

[Craig Korbeck]

Not step cousins. They're just two people.

[Danny Heifetz]

People live in boyfriend's niece.

[Danny K]

Yeah. There's two people that have a connection.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Through friends. Really?

[Craig Korbeck]

They're not even one of the 10 of people that are cousins that get married.

[Danny Heifetz]

So. Allegedly. So I wanted to email this. God, is this another M bone? That's crazy.

[Craig Korbeck]

A lot of M Bone. Bone.

[Danny Heifetz]

When I was 15. This is not me writing this. When I was 15, my mom was hanging out with this guy Barry. And at the time, Barry was introduced to us as her friend.

[Danny K]

That's not why Barry.

[Craig Korbeck]

That alone is funny.

[Danny K]

My mom was hanging out with this guy Barry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Barry.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

We began attending a lot of Barry's family functions.

[Danny K]

Wait, sorry. This kid's 15 and his mom is dating Barry?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny K]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Barry had a niece, also 15. Being 15 and full of hormones, Barry's niece. And I acted on this impulse almost immediately. Turns out my mom and Barry more than just friends. And so they dated for two years. And they were. They were just overlapping dating for like. Wow.

[Craig Korbeck]

So, like. Oh, but they didn't live together.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it was his niece, not the daughter. But overall.

[Danny K]

So the mom and Barry were dating while the son and the niece were dating?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Korbeck]

So how'd that go? Was it okay?

[Danny Heifetz]

They broke up. His point is, so he says, the embone says the romance only lasted three months. My mom and Barry were only together two years. But to this day, I'm now in my mid-30s. My friends still bring up the time I fucked my cousin. People don't forget.

[Craig Korbeck]

That was like 10 years ago.

[Danny K]

Years ago, man.

[Craig Korbeck]

Again, he should not say cousin. Yeah, it's not cousins.

[Danny K]

I think the front around the word cousin loosely.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Last one here. Words.

[Craig Korbeck]

Words mean something.

[Danny Heifetz]

I will say the overwhelming. The emails were basically like, do it. It was a lot of people.

[Craig Korbeck]

Really.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. My friends. A lot of people were basically had same stories of, like, there. There's a whole diverse range, but they all were just versions of. Yeah. Like someone was dating the guy and then the guys. And the whole theme was, yeah, there's no blood here. Why is it weird? And like, it was honestly 30, maybe 40 to 1 of people being like a handful of people. All right up. And it was 30x people being like, oh, just do it, kid.

[Danny K]

The only. The only argument to not do it is just that it will be really awkward if it doesn't work out at family, friends.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. That's.

[Danny K]

That's pretty much it.

[Danny Heifetz]

That was. That was the argument against.

[Craig Korbeck]

Is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Are you thinking this through? But the tension.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is also bad.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

The only thing worse than everyone knowing you guys have is everyone quietly thinking you should. Like, that's also kind of weird.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's not as bad.

[Danny K]

That's not. That's not worse.

[Danny Heifetz]

True. Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, I'm gonna wait to find out.

[Craig Korbeck]

If there's an update to this story someday.

[Danny Heifetz]

We will. So our bone.

[Craig Korbeck]

With baited breath.

[Danny K]

Our bone. Our bone. I want to know the names, but I understand if they want.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I'm not. I'm not volunteering these people for this information.

[Craig Korbeck]

Too sick. Too sick and twisted.

[Danny K]

Did they add their breakfast or what?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, you want me to pull it up? Yeah, Arbo might have forgot, but I'll. I'll read someone else's breakfast because there's a lot of good.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, just give us a breakfast. Yeah, any breakfast will do.

[Danny Heifetz]

Red Bull at a Sig.

[Craig Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Love how this guy's living his life.

[Danny Heifetz]

He says. Just kidding. But I did say that as a new hire at a corporate icebreaker to a. In my first year of college, and they were appalled.

[Danny K]

That's awesome. I like this guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Whichever. Breakfast Red Bull and a cigarette.

[Danny K]

Amazing.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then he gets fired.

[Danny K]

Celsius and four zins.

[Danny Heifetz]

DeBone's breakfast was Ikea halter, all mostly with berries. I don't know what that is.

[Craig Korbeck]

Maybe like, yogurt.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sounds like it. Anyway, Arbonne's email. I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna. It's really complicated to keep track of some of these stories.

[Craig Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I'm gonna paraphrase this email because the names and the. The cut. It's too hard to keep track of. So I'm gonna tell it from the perspective of. Basically, I'm just gonna tell I'm gonna re. Do the story. I'm just gonna explain it as simply as I can. There is a husband and a wife. They are no relation whatsoever. A normal husband, wife, couple. And then the husband's father and his parents are like, 92, 93 years old. And the. The husband's mother passes away. So the husband's father is a widow now. Widower. And husband's mom has passed away. And I believe the wife's.

[Craig Korbeck]

I know where this is going.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dad has passed away.

[Danny K]

Got it.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the two parents married each other.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

The husband's dad married the wife's mom.

[Danny K]

Married in their 90s.

[Danny Heifetz]

The wife's mom. Not sure she was in her 90s.

[Danny K]

Okay. Probably 80s.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. And so makes.

[Craig Korbeck]

It makes the inheritance go a little easier, probably.

[Danny K]

Sure.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

That one. That's. There's a lot going on there.

[Craig Korbeck]

I wish it was in a show or a movie or something. I feel like this is something that we've seen in pop. Like, pop culture somehow. But, yeah, it's very interesting. I would not be. That would be very weird.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, husband's dad married the wife's.

[Danny K]

Mom and I. Yeah. That's actually kind of unfathomable, applying that to my own life. Like, when you just, like, actually think about what that would mean for yourself if that happens.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

The funniest thing for our bones. So Arbone ends at, like, look, some family member thinks it's weird. I think it's great when you're 90. Don't have years to date around. Just get the companionship. Also, it's not like they're. To which I replied to our bone. I get it. But, like, dude, they're definitely.

[Danny K]

If. If he.

[Craig Korbeck]

If it's just ruined everything. He ruined the relationship with the father because.

[Danny Heifetz]

Grow up. Count Chocula.

[Danny K]

Did they need to get beer? You know, couldn't they just, like, see each other? They had to get married officially.

[Craig Korbeck]

Craig. Yeah, they did.

[Danny K]

Okay.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny K]

Like, that just makes it so much more. More official, obviously.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

There are. I've heard a lot of stories about this, that. That, like, nursing homes. Yeah. People are just crazy.

[Danny K]

It's like the Olympic Village.

[Danny Heifetz]

It is the Olympic.

[Craig Korbeck]

Seriously?

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

We got nothing to lose at this point. Let's just go.

[Danny K]

Is it like your hormones start ramping back up in old air age? Like, what. What's going on?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I think it's the same reason old people say with a lot of.

[Craig Korbeck]

Single people, you don't give a.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anymore. So to speak. Like, they don't Care.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Trying to seize the day, Craig.

[Danny K]

Yeah. Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

What else?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, apparently that's like a real thing.

[Danny K]

Yeah, for sure. And it's like, you know, I'm not gonna get anybody pregnant. Let's. Let's go wild.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right?

[Danny Heifetz]

This email really brought down the vibe. All right, well, we can get out of here. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you everyone who emailed in. You know, thank you to Arbone. Shout out, you know, companionship. Thank you Redacted for being vulnerable. Shout out companionship, you know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email suringer fantasy football gmail.com for any other cousin stuff. Any other weird athlete stories. We'll take catch me if you can stories like people running around, like, whatever you got. We'll take fantasy football. The ringer.com are rankings out this week. A preview in the week, and then we'll have those up. And then I think that. Yeah. Follow us on Instagram TikTok Ringer fantasy football. Thank you, Lord.

[Danny K]

Lord.

[Craig Korbeck]

Thank you, George Michael. I was thinking of George Michael Bluth.

[Danny Heifetz]

Bluth, yeah.

[Danny K]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

The cousin.

[Craig Korbeck]

The cousins thing.

[Danny Heifetz]

Give me sharing a room with your cousin.

[Danny K]

George Michael. Great voice. Wham. Yeah. Last Christmas, one of my favorite Christmas songs.

[Craig Korbeck]

There's a video circulating that. It's a guy driving a car and doing donuts in an intersection. And, like, a cop is chasing him. And it's just to this. To the George Michael song. Shoot. I don't know the name of it. It's just the. It's the most famous one with, like, the saxophone. What's it called? Hold on, let me look it up.

[Danny K]

The most famous. Oh, is it George Michael or Wham.

[Craig Korbeck]

Careless.

[Danny K]

Careless whisper.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. And he's, like, doing donuts, running away from the cops. Just like, sing it kind of makes the song slap a little bit.

[Danny Heifetz]

That song. We don't have a word for it, but that. That song has had, like, a whole rebirth on social.

[Craig Korbeck]

It has.

[Danny K]

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like the most famous elevator music of all time.

[Danny K]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's a banger.

[Danny K]

It's basically like a Kenny G song with lyrics.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. Also, I'm not gonna like googling George Michael right now. Like, he kind of got the sake one going on with just the one earring of the cross. I actually didn't know that was that old.

[Craig Korbeck]

He was. Yeah, he was an icon, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, now that Saquon just got the George Michael, it's not so cool.

[Danny K]

I would. Harrison Ford also been rocking the solo earring for a while.

[Danny Heifetz]

Would you guys ever do an earring?

[Danny K]

I don't think so.

[Craig Korbeck]

Not now. But when I. I did like the. I did the mid ots classic thing where I did like the top of my ear or whatever.

[Danny K]

You did?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, for a little while.

[Danny K]

Like in the cartilage. Up top?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, whatever that. Whatever that's called.

[Danny Heifetz]

How old were you?

[Craig Korbeck]

Like 22 or something?

[Danny K]

What was it, like a stud?

[Craig Korbeck]

No, it was a hoop.

[Danny K]

You had a hoop.

[Craig Korbeck]

So it was like popular in the mid aughts.

[Danny K]

You were not doing that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Now what was the inspo. Is it just like in the water Was a specific person?

[Craig Korbeck]

Just like my buddy and I went and did it. It's like, I don't think it, like, I don't. I haven't seen anyone with this for a very, very long time.

[Danny K]

Girls. I mean, I've seen a lot of girls.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, a lot of girls do it now, but who.

[Danny Heifetz]

What were the how. I'm not gonna lie. I don't know what the origin of the. The earrings are like, was. Just everyone.

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know. It was a thing for a while.

[Danny Heifetz]

How long did you rock it?

[Craig Korbeck]

Not very long.

[Danny K]

Did it hurt?

[Craig Korbeck]

Kind of on a lark. What's that?

[Danny K]

Did it hurt?

[Craig Korbeck]

No, not really.

[Danny Heifetz]

Means this at a mall?

[Craig Korbeck]

No.

[Danny K]

Do you get. You guys know about my stupid tattoo, right? Where I got a freckle tattoo?

[Danny Heifetz]

Didn't you just get a dot to say you have a tattoo?

[Danny K]

Yeah, me and my friend got dots on our arms.

[Craig Korbeck]

Looks like now it just looks like a freckle.

[Danny K]

Oh, it's terrible. It's on my forearm. It like all faded. Looks like crap.

[Craig Korbeck]

It looks badass. You look like a sailor. You sailor. You.

[Danny K]

You sailor. You sailor.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wait, will you show it to the camera?

[Danny K]

Oh, yeah, if I can. Yeah. It's like going to be really hard to see.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is a 10 year old dog.

[Craig Korbeck]

Don't zoom in.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, no. Just get closer. No. Oh, my God. There it is.

[Craig Korbeck]

You have multiple freckles. I can't tell.

[Danny Heifetz]

It is a different color than your other freckles.

[Danny K]

It's that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Could this be the thumbnail? Just Craig pointing.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, my God.

[Danny K]

Yeah. Anyway, I'm inked up.

[Danny Heifetz]

What was the tattoo artist response to you saying, I want a dot?

[Danny K]

I think she was like, you guys are losers.

[Danny Heifetz]

I bet she still tells that story.

[Danny K]

Yeah, because we. It took us a while because there's like a minimum payment required to just like break out a new needle, essentially. So it was always like 100 bucks, 150 bucks wherever we we it in New York and then la, because it was with my buddy who I lived in New York with after I graduated. And we couldn't find anybody who would do it for a reasonable price because we're like, hey, it's literally a dot. And then somewhere in LA, I think they did it for like 20 bucks. 20 bucks. I mean, I'm like, that's a dot. Come on.

[Craig Korbeck]

If I give you $20, will you.

[Danny K]

Just go, yeah, it was worth. Send the photo to my family of, like me in the middle of getting a tattoo. And then we sent it to like family group chat just to freak them out.

[Craig Korbeck]

You put like a giant covering, like the plast covering or whatever.

[Danny K]

Oh, yeah, we definitely hemmed it up. Try to make it seem like I was getting like the Ben Affleck Phoenix on my back.

[Craig Korbeck]

You want to see my new arm piece? That's good. Hi. You ever going to get tatted up?

[Danny Heifetz]

I have a couple in store, yeah.

[Danny K]

Oh, really?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think Jack and I. Yeah, Couple in store. Matching, we're thinking. Yeah, I think, I think I want the. The outline. I want my cat's ears because they clip my cat's ears. See, now you guys are going to bring it up, but they clip the cat's ears because it's like, where are.

[Craig Korbeck]

You going to get.

[Danny Heifetz]

So now you're like, fuck, he's talking about the cat. But I want.

[Craig Korbeck]

Just don't do the voice.

[Danny Heifetz]

One ear. I love my cat, but he's got.

[Danny K]

Are you going to do it on the kind of like on the small of your back? Honestly, so when you bend over, people can see it.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's pretty good. I like that.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, I thought of that. You know, if I reach up for something really tall, you could see it.

[Danny K]

It's sexy, it's provocative.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's good.

[Craig Korbeck]

Now we're talking.

[Danny Heifetz]

The punishment next year should be, I think, punishment next year. We should have like, like a temporary tramp stamp tattoo.

[Danny K]

Yeah, Temporary tattoos, sure.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like a henna. Yeah, sure.

[Danny K]

Those are great. My brother got those last like a week.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, my brother got one of those, like, tattoos because he basically. I get the idea where he was like, I wanted. I think I want a tattoo in this one place. And he was like, there's like a year long tattoo and he's basically, I want to live with it for a year and then if I like it, we'll get it, like done.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I was like, it's just gonna dissolve into your blood. Like it just goes away. That seems a little weird. He was like, yeah. So Anyway, two and a half years later, I was like, is that thing going away? He's like, no, no. I think they lied.

[Danny K]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's good, though. He got it touched up, though, for real. But it was just. I was like, yeah, that guy said it.

[Craig Korbeck]

You know what I was just thinking of? The other piercing that used to be really popular was like the bar that goes through two spots here.

[Danny K]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

What they're called? They're like. What are those called? Industrial or. I can't remember what they're called, but we should have that be a punishment. You have to get one of those. Keep it in for six months.

[Danny K]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Didn't you veto the piercing as a punishment this year at the draft?

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who did?

[Craig Korbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's called an industrial.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, goodbye, everyone.

[Craig Korbeck]

Foreign.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny K]

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