Mock Draft Oscars, All 32 First-Round Picks, and Heifetz's Birthday Revelations

Summary

The Ringer NFL Draft Show: "Mock Draft Oscars, All 32 First-Round Picks, and Heifetz's Birthday Revelations"
Episode Release: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

In this playful, fast-paced, and insight-packed episode, the trio of Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck present the annual “Mock Draft Oscars.” They alternate as NFL GMs through all 32 first-round picks, with Craig wielding the “Oscars playoff music” to keep his co-hosts from ranting too long on each selection. Along the way, they riff on Oscars memories, current NFL roster storylines, emerging draft narratives, and even Danny Heifetz’s 31st birthday and the introspections that come with it. Expect hot takes, offbeat humor, and rare behind-the-curtain nuggets from the world of NFL scouting mixed with the unmistakable chemistry of three friends goading and capping each other.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. Setting the Scene (01:20–04:45)

• Craig explains his new role as timekeeper with the "Oscars playoff music."
• Initial Oscar-moment comparisons to draft rituals and tight TV production (“You have to set the tone early.” – Craig, 02:32).
• March Madness bracket logistics and Danny Heifetz’s comical snafu in ESPN group management.

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2. The Mock Draft Oscars: All 32 Picks (04:45–88:00)

How the Mock Works

• DK (Danny Kelly) picks for even-numbered teams, Heifetz for odd-numbered.
• Craig cues the “Oscars” music to hurry them along if they get too wordy.

Select Picks – Notable Teams and Quotes

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Top 10 Highlights

1. Raiders: Fernando Mendoza, QB
(Fast-tracked. All agree he’s the obvious No. 1, no speech needed.)

2. Jets: Arvell Reese, LB, Ohio State

• “Jets have hedged at a lot of positions, but I still really like the versatility Arvell Reese brings.” – DK (05:14)
• Discussion of free agency moves and defensive needs.

3. Cardinals: Francis Maui Noah, T, Miami

• Talk of positional value, Samoan pronunciation, and the “just get on base” OL philosophy.
• “Just hit a layup...and have good offensive lines for when the Cardinals take a quarterback in 2027.” – Heifetz (07:03)
• “If I was GM, I’d take the pass rusher, but I totally understand building through the trenches.” – DK (07:19)

4. Titans: Jeremiah Love, RB, Notre Dame

• “It’s not what will get them what they should want; it’s what will get them what they want. It’s about selling tickets.” – Heifetz (11:25)
• Spirited debate about positional value and the impact on team success.

5. Giants: Sonny Styles, LB, Ohio State

• Frustration over “best player available” vs. need, jokes about grammar (“Who vs. whom” mini-tangent).

9. Chiefs: Spencer Fano, OT, Utah

• “Trust your buddies. Two people knowing each other can decide who gets drafted.” – DK, on the BYU-Andy Reid pipeline (27:41, 27:53)

10. Bengals: Caleb Downs, S, Ohio State

• “The Bengals just love football players, man. And I love the way Caleb Downs plays.” – Heifetz (29:59)

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Picks 11–20: Trends and Insights

• Dolphins double down on trenches: Vega Ioane (G, Penn State) at 11, later trade up for another OT, reinforcing that “no one’s upset with a surplus of OL” (32:31–32:36).
• Saints & Commanders mirror strategy: Both have a star Ohio State WR (Olave, McLaurin), tons of former first-round OL, and desperately need a #2 receiver and defensive help.
• Cowboys: Mansoor Delane, CB, LSU
  • “I really like this corner class. I’m just not sure if we’ll see a top 10 guy.” – DK, in-depth breakdown of CB class strengths and weaknesses (33:43–35:22)
• Lions trade up: “Lions trading up for Monroe Freeling (OT, Georgia) to recapture their mauling identity. Their starting LT is a project from British Columbia!” – Heifetz (44:01–44:33)

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Picks 21–32: End-of-Round Dynamic

• Steelers zero in on left tackle run: “This is the left tackle run. Which tackle should I take?” – Craig cues DK and Heifetz to weigh in (61:27–62:29)
• 49ers: Kenyon Sadiq, TE, Idaho
  • "Here's where a tight end actually makes sense for the Niners as an heir to Kittle," referencing positional scarcity and value.
• Bills, Bears, Browns focus on trench and pass rush help, reflecting a clear run on edge defenders and interior guys in the 20s.
• Peter Woods fall storyline: DK laments that a player once graded in the top tier is hard to peg, “He’s fallen far enough at this point. He’s still a really twitchy, explosive interior lineman.” (81:07)
• Chiefs, Eagles, Patriots, Seahawks: Covered Denzel Boston’s falling stock; debates on whether NE would really go WR or focus on another man-cover corner (Jermod McCoy).
• Seahawks: Chris Johnson, CB, San Diego State
  • “He just plays exactly how the Seahawks want their corners to play. Intense, physical, fun as hell to watch.” – DK (85:30–85:49)

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3. Segment: Mock Draft Recap & Lessons (87:23–89:09)

• Summary graphics promised on Spotify/Netflix and Instagram.
• Key insight: Run on tackles likely to spark aggressive early trades. WR and TE “fall” due to positional depth.
• “That’s the hardest part of mock drafts—how do you gauge an injury guy’s fall, like Jamad McCoy? Literally, doctors disagree.” – Heifetz (88:43)
• “The fall of Peter Woods: How far is he going to drop? That’s the big question for me…” – DK (89:00)

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4. Memorable Banter, Sidebars & Humor

• Oscars playoff music: Craig gleefully uses it to override “droning” explanations, likening it to “Curb Your Enthusiasm music for ending awkward dinner party conversations.” (09:53–10:02)
• Running back jokes: “It’s like getting your first Christmas bonus and just buying a Rolex.” – Craig, on the Titans RB pick. (11:21)
• Bizarre pro day facts and rookie anecdotes peppered throughout, especially regarding odd college-to-Andy Reid connections and offensive line trajectories.
• Birthday revelations & adulting in your 30s: After the draft, Heifetz reflects on what 31 feels like, trading running gags with DK and Craig about fitness, phone addiction, and attention span in the digital age.

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5. Heifetz’s Birthday Segment: Reflections and Rituals (90:14–103:28, with sidebars continuing)

• DK & Craig lead a surprise happy birthday song (starts at 93:43).
• Heifetz: “First time I said it out loud—I’m 31. I don’t like how that feels!” (94:44)
• Chat about forming habits, fitness, “spiritual and literal heart health,” and how adult routines shape up.
• “Literally walk before you run. You carve out time, and then you’re the guy who doesn’t miss it. That’s my goal for 31.” – Heifetz (101:00)
• Deeper dive on presence and the struggle to use phones less.
• “If you can claw back an hour a day from your phone, that’s like gaining a month a year.” – Heifetz (108:04)

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6. Notable Quotes & Moments

• Mock Draft underlying philosophy:
  • “[First round] is kind of best player available, within positions you need to hire for. After that, it’s just best player at positions of true need.” – Heifetz (19:29)
• The ‘fallers’ phenomenon:
  • “Peter Woods is one of those guys, like they say, ‘beat up enough.’ He’s fallen far enough, but in the NFL, somebody’s going to grab that value before the round’s up.” – DK (81:01)
• On sports fandom and stress:
  • “Stress is a big part of rooting for your team...Eustress, or euphoric stress—that emotional roller coaster—is a core motive of sports fandom.” – Craig, reading listener email (90:54)

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7. Tone & Style

• Zany, conversational, highly informed but full of irreverence.
• Numerous inside jokes, quick pivots from granular draft details to philosophical musings on life, friendship, and adulthood.
• Self-referential humor about droning explanations, self-muting, and playing each other off.

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8. Final Thoughts / Takeaways

• The 2026 Mock Draft is an unpredictable animal: tackle scarcity sparks trade-up runs, “deep” WR class paradoxically causes top names to slide, and the fall of high-ceiling prospects (Peter Woods, Jermod McCoy) will be a draft-night drama.
• Always expect “weird shit” to happen in the first round—teams rarely stick to script.
• Hosts showcase that NFL analysis can be both detailed and deeply human, with earnest discussions of middle-aged routines and the search for presence in a digital world wrapped up in running gags and mock drafts.

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Selected Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:45] – Draft mock begins with the Raiders.
• [07:03] – Cardinals’ OL strategy: “just get on base”
• [11:25–13:06] – DK, Heifetz, and Craig debate Titans RB logic and ticket sales.
• [27:41–27:53] – Andy Reid, BYU connection, and the “great kid” pipeline.
• [33:43–35:22] – Mansoor Delane/Cowboys and CB breakdown.
• [44:33] – Lions’ left tackle needs and the odd path of British Columbia’s Manu.
• [88:43–89:00] – Hardest part of mocking: projecting injury falls.
• [93:43–95:01] – Birthday surprise and the “I’m 31” moment.
• [101:00–102:25] – “Walking before running”—building sustainable routines.

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To sum up: This episode is a masterclass in NFL Draft speculation, with sharp, sometimes chaotic energy, vivid scouting notes, and life lessons from three close friends who can toggle deftly between hot-take football analysis and genuine reflection on modern adulthood.

Transcript

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[Craig Krolbek]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Keep that in welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, AKA the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Heifetz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbeck and they're already sick of me even though we haven't started the show. Just wait. We are doing the mock draft Oscars where DK and I are going to alternate picks and do an entire mock draft and Craig, who was at the Oscars on Sunday, is going to be our Conan o' Brien and literally play us off with music if either of us drone on too long.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's right. I don't think Conan was actually playing people off, but pushing the button for the purposes of this show. He he was. And I will be doing that. I don't know if you guys saw the song golden, which is the original song from K Pop Demon Hunters won best original song and they got played off in a brutal manner. The lead singer girl EJ came on, she had a very nice speech and then some other dude tried to speak and they just blasted him off with the music. Because earlier on in the broadcast when they had extra time, they let people bulldoze through the music where they kept talking through the music. They turned the music back down and so now everybody thought, great, if I keep talking I can power through the music. Because at the end they were running out of time. Even though these awards are technically more buzzy, they just completely neutered the golden guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

You have to set the tone early. Yeah, but the other crazy thing was they actually Dropped the mic.

[Craig Krolbek]

They set the tone early. They literally let people bulldoze through it early.

[Danny Heifetz]

They need to set the tone early. But the other thing is, Craig, you were in person. They cut this on the broadcast, but I don't think they just played the music on that guy. They, the mic would lower into this ground like automatic. They would pull the mic stand up and down to the surf in the ground and for the music acts and they pulled the microphone into the ground on the guy. They didn't just play music. They lowered the mic away from him while he was talking.

[Craig Krolbek]

And Cony came out and was like, you can't lower a mic on a man while he's trying, while he's, while he's talking. And he's like, that was hilarious.

[Danny Heifetz]

So if you're watching us on Spotify or watch us on Netflix, just put the episode on while you're leaving your house. Craig also has remotely connected and our microphones will just lower into the ground round.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's right. I've also, I've hacked into the main frame so I will be controlling the board today. So when, when DK or Highit starts droning on about some offensive lineman, nobody cares about it. The 21st pick, you're going to hear this song, Which is the best copyright free Oscars is music we could find.

[Danny Heifetz]

Boom.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, so yeah, with that said, by the way, before we begin, one more note. If you're listening to this in the morning on Thursday, you technically have a few more hours to join our March Madness bracket on espn. So do that. Go to the link.

[Danny Kelly]

Which one?

[Craig Krolbek]

Description of the episode. Yeah, so unfortunately Heifetz, I think, I think he accidentally created a new bracket for this year, but then didn't realize that there was one from last year that ESPN automatically renewed.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I didn't know, I thought I'd have to activate it and I just made a new group and I guess both groups are live. So we have like half the people in one and half in the other. And I'm sorry. And I should have checked. And also, why does it automatically renew?

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, it's more like 8021 is called Ringer Fantasy Football show that's got over 3,000 people. You could join. That one's called Ringer NFL Draft Show Bracket Challenge that only has 700 people. Better us to win. Yeah, maybe one in each.

[Danny Heifetz]

We will send merch to the highest score of both or of, of the combined. Or maybe both. Sure.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. So join that link in the episode description. And with that said. Yeah, so we're Going to do mock draft Oscars. We're going to go through all 32 picks. You guys are going to alternate picks. Like, this is like you're the GMs of 16 teams each and every. And I'm even. And I'm going to. DK's even. High Fitz is odd.

[Danny Heifetz]

So just like, just like real life,

[Craig Krolbek]

we'll get things started with a technical category. This is like, like sound mixing, which they've gotten rid of at the Academy Awards. We're going to start the Raiders number one overall pick. Everybody knows they're taking Fernando Mendoza, so I'm just going to get. We don't need a speech behind that. We know he's going number one, and I think we can officially start with number two, which, as we said before, DK is even. So, dk, you're on the clock. New York jets, second pick in the mock draft Oscars. Go.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, I'm going to go with the Chalky pick here. Arvella Reese, linebacker out of Ohio State. Very versatile. You can play him at linebacker. You play him off the edge. I think what the jets did in free agency is. Is hedge at a lot of positions. They basically signed 12 different guys and now they don't have. They don't like, basically not pigeonholed into drafting one position or one guy. But I still kind of like the. Or I still really like the versatility that Arvell Reese brings. High Fitz, what say you?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I think you're dead right. The jets have the second pick and they have the 16th pick from the Colts from the Sauce Gardner trade. And yeah, it's like they didn't have an interception last year. Frankly, Aaron Glenn is probably gonna get fired on the jets if they don't have a better defense. So you take Orville Rees here and then you get a receiver behind Garrett Wilson later and it's. You can't do the other.

[Danny Kelly]

You want me to name all the free agents? The jets signed this. This off season. Devontra Sweat. Ah. David Anim. Kingsley Hun. Demario Davis. Joseph Osai N Wright. Minga Fitzpatrick. Dan Belton.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, we're back from commercial.

[Danny Kelly]

I want a literal hook.

[Danny Heifetz]

Big go.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, okay, like, I don't care about

[Craig Krolbek]

the jets moving on. I don't care for Job. Moving on to the third pick, Danny Hiz. Arizona Cardinals on the clock.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Cardinals are full rebuild. I'm giving him Francis Marinoa here, the tackle out of Miami. He actually goes by cc. This is actually because Francis is actually his Americanized name. So he's Actually, because he's Samoan. So it's. He actually, it's Francis. It's like shortened. But he actually. All his family and friends call him Cece and that's spelled like Maui Goa, but it's Maui Noah because that's just the Samoan pronunciation. But I'm kind of like, I. Deacon. Curious, you think? I don't think the defensive ends here are good enough for like, David Bailey out of Texas Tech. I just don't think he's a good enough run defender for the Cardinals to take him. Third, I feel like Ruben Bain is a great player, but the arm length, it is an outlier at number three that if you look dumb if he ends up not being good Will Campbell style. So I think the Cardinals are like, you know, just hit a layup, take Francis, Maui Noah at right tackle. You have Paris Johnson Jr. Left tackle and like, just have good offensive lines for when the Cardinals take a quarterback in 2027. That's kind of my logic here. It's get on base.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I. I personally would probably. If I was a GM of the Cardinals, I probably would take the pass rusher, but I totally understand building through the trenches in terms of the offensive line. What. Whoever ends up being the quarterback of the future will have just a better chance of succeeding long term. They got to fix their own game.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which pass rusher would you take for Arizona?

[Danny Kelly]

I probably would take David Bailey. I think David Bailey, it's interesting because he's kind of being overlooked a little bit because of the Ohio State brothers, Sunny Style and Arvell Reese. And David Bailey is a very good pass rusher. Like he was extremely productive. High energy creates a lot of havoc off the edge. I don't think he's an elite run defender and he's a little light in the pants. But, I mean, these guys aren't getting paid to stop. They're getting paid to freaking bring down

[Craig Krolbek]

small dick joke or what.

[Danny Kelly]

Light the old pants. Imagine saying that to his crystal region. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hey, David, heard your light in the pants.

[Craig Krolbek]

Imagine you go on a date with a girl, spend a night with her, she goes home next morning with her friends at brunch. How was your date with Craig? He's a little light in the pants.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, it's about as brutal as you can get.

[Craig Krolbek]

Not as bad as it gets.

[Danny Kelly]

But that's not what I was saying about him. You know, he. He's probably super well endowed. How. How would I know? But however, his ass is not very big is what I'm saying, but yeah, that to me, it's like, that doesn't matter. He's going to bring down the quarterback. That's really what matters with these guys. And so I would have no fear drafting David Bailey at 3 on DK,

[Craig Krolbek]

you have Francis, Maui Noah ninth on your big board. Is that right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Where does he compare to somebody like Will Campbell, who went fourth last year in the draft? Like, how good of a tackle is Maui Noah compared to last few years?

[Danny Kelly]

To you, he is probably right in that same range. I mean, there's some question whether he's going to be a tackle or guard at the NFL level, which is like, pretty much exactly what we heard about Will Campbell. He played right tackle primarily. So I think there's depending on how you view that, you know, in the current NFL, some people probably don't have a huge difference between left and right tackle anymore because a lot of really good pass rushers come off the right side. But that is sort of traditionally slightly less valuable than a left tackle. And you know what I mean? Like, he might be attacked, he might be a guard at the next level. So I think he's going to face a lot of the similar questions as. As Will Campbell did in terms of overall length, overall foot speed. Is he going to be able to deal with guys off the edge? Super, super explosive guys off the edge? You asked, pal. You asked me the question.

[Craig Krolbek]

I. I got bored. But that's good to know that he's kind of in that Will Campbell range. And now. And now he's going earlier than Will Campbell.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Can we bring.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we have like, a playoff music for conversations you want to get out of at like a dinner party?

[Craig Krolbek]

That's like a curb your enthusiasm idea. But Larry just has music he plays,

[Danny Heifetz]

connects to the one, the Bluetooth at every restaurant he's in.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, let's move on to the number four pick here, dk, that's me. Put your. Put your Mike Borgonzi hat on and tell me who the Titans are taking at number four. I want you to do it. I want you to say it.

[Danny Kelly]

You want me to say what? Who they're taking.

[Craig Krolbek]

You know who I want you to pick.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I'm not fucking doing it. I'm not doing it. I know everybody wants Jeremiah Love to go to the Titans just because this

[Craig Krolbek]

what you think should happen or what you think will happen.

[Danny Kelly]

I think there's a pretty strong chance that they do it, but I think it's incredibly stupid if they.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm doing what I'm picking What I think will happen. We probably should have figured this out

[Craig Krolbek]

for the show because what's the point of doing a mock draft if it's just what you think should happen?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm doing what I think the teams will do.

[Danny Kelly]

If you value my opinion, Craig.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well, but isn't the whole thing you try to get it as accurate as you can?

[Danny Kelly]

It depends, man. We're building, you know, building things that could happen. Okay, fine. If we're gonna do it. That's a good, that's a good way to reference it, Hyp. It's things that should happen or things that things you think will happen.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, yeah, things will, will happen. Even if we disagree.

[Danny Kelly]

Even though I think it's dumb. I guess I'll put Jeremiah Love here. I just don't think a running back is going to put them over the edge where they want to be. They have such a. Their roster has so many holes, but it's going to be. It's the siren song of this guy's the most talented player at that spot.

[Craig Krolbek]

It's like getting your first Christmas bonus and just buy a Rolex, you know?

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I, I will disagree with DK because you said it won't get them what they want. It will get them what they want. Because the underlying thing is it's not

[Danny Kelly]

about we'll get them what they should want.

[Danny Heifetz]

Selling ticket tickets. And they have Cam Ward and nobody. You said Kimir. DK is not selling season tickets.

[Danny Kelly]

You don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

They're opening a stadium. If you think a new owner cares about anything more than when they open a stadium. Like it is such a big project. It takes a decade and it's the only thing that matters. It sets you up to sell the team.

[Danny Kelly]

There's such stupid reasons.

[Danny Heifetz]

Billions of dollars. If you ever sell the team, the stadium is different to billion dollars. I will just say this. Taji, bad team.

[Danny Kelly]

Stay bad.

[Danny Heifetz]

I have an email and don't play me off. I have an email from Joe, but coffee with cream and an almond granola bar for breakfast.

[Danny Kelly]

He's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Joe says, I'll do it quick. I live in Nashville. When the Titans announced the new prices for season tickets, not a single one of my friends who had season tickets was going to keep their season tickets. Then the Titans realized that they weren't selling any. And so they hired a new person with Robert Salah and maybe an entirely new team or. Sorry, a new person, a new team whose entire job was just to entice people to re up their season tickets. Like they have refurbish their entire season. Take it off. I'm telling you, Cam Ward and Jeremiah Love are going to be on giant banners on this stadium in 2027.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I mean, I. I understand what you're saying. I get it. It's stupid, but that's fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll sound so dumb if they're wrong. If they just take a tackle, I'll feel like an idiot.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, we just saw the Raiders do this. Well, to be clear, the first pick

[Danny Heifetz]

in the draft, Saints signing Travis H.N. eTN for the Jaguars and the chief signing Kenneth Walker from the Seahawks was us. Seeing NFL teams think Jeremiah Love is not going to fall to seven or eight. So, like, NFL teams clearly think Jeremiah Love is going to be a top six pick. That is part of the reason we're getting confident about this. So it's like, well, who in the top six?

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, I put.

[Danny Kelly]

I did the pick. I think that there's a strong chance this happens. I'm just being very clear. I think it's stupid.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. How much faith would you have in Tennessee's offense this year, dk if they don't take Jeremiah Love and they basically start the season with Tony Pollard? Come here, D.K. old Calvin Ridley and Elick IO Manor. Like, if that's the team.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wandale Robinson, 19 million.

[Craig Krolbek]

Of course. How could I forget Wanda Robinson? Like, how confident are you that that offense can win five or six games?

[Danny Kelly]

Not very confident. But I also don't think Jeremiah Love is gonna advert many wins.

[Craig Krolbek]

You don't think at all?

[Danny Kelly]

No. We've had this conversation a hundred times. Elite running backs, very good running backs move the needle for teams that are already really good. Very good running backs don't do jack for teams.

[Craig Krolbek]

That is correct. That is mostly correct. However, if Kim Ward ends up being very good and this is a leap year for him, I think having Jeremiah Love would help a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

I think that's fair, but I don't

[Craig Krolbek]

think he's going to make line is not in shambles. Yeah, maybe

[Danny Kelly]

we've just seen it a million. We've seen this a million times.

[Craig Krolbek]

I like it. Anyway. Okay, let's move on. Hit Hitz is playing us off. We're going to go to the fifth pick in the draft. Heitz, you are odd, which means you have your New York Giants, who won't be getting Jeremiah Love, which means they will be getting who?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. Just trying to.

[Danny Heifetz]

My office.

[Craig Krolbek]

You know what my hot take is? I think we need to get rid of whom.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree I don't actually know how to use it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Whom is that for? Like, right, what is money needs it. My cat is trying to break down my door. That is crazy psycho.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, screaming at you to not.

[Craig Krolbek]

The only reason why whom exists is so other people can correct you that it's whom, not who. That's the only reason why.

[Danny Heifetz]

A hundred percent. I, I, it's almost like the they're there thing where it's like, yes, it's the wrong thing, but don't correct it.

[Craig Krolbek]

Like, remember, Remember in elementary school, you go up to your teacher, can I go to the bathroom? May you go to the bathroom? And it's like, ugh. That's. That's how I feel about who. Whom.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is why the boomers hate our generation.

[Danny Kelly]

But I did, Craig. I corrected you, and I was kind of joking. I don't actually know if I corrected you for the correct way to do

[Craig Krolbek]

it, and I didn't know either. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, hyphens, who are the Giants taking?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think the Giants are going to take Sonny Styles in this situation. I don't know if I agree with it, but I think they are, because, in short, I don't think John Harper says he wants to go big at the position, but they resigned Jermaine Elimina at right tackle. So I kind of don't think they take an offensive lineman here, even though I think they should consider it. I don't think they go defensive line because there's no defensive tackle good enough. And they have Abdul Carter and Brian Burns an edge. And everyone team says, well, we'll take the best player available. The truth is, most teams fricking don't, which is why we talk out of both sides of our mouth. A lot of teams say they want best player available, and then they actually kind of limit best player available within the positions we need to hire. And so I think they need Sunny Styles at linebacker, and, sorry, my cat. I don't know what's happening out there. I'm really concerned. You need to check, but maybe. But, yeah, I just, I think the Giants will take Jeremiah Love if he falls to five, but if not, I think they're happy to take Sonny Styles, and he's just a monster for them. And I'll be, I'll be happy about it. I'm gonna make sure my cat's okay.

[Craig Krolbek]

Really? Okay,

[Danny Kelly]

well, this is good, because this gives me a minute to think about who I want to pick for the freaking Browns.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. Sorry. Significantly weirder. Cat was sleeping. I have no idea what that was. Did you hear what it. My door was just rattling.

[Craig Krolbek]

No, did not hear that. You have door open. Windy day. What's going on?

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know what I want to think about it.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pulled. I don't know.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well, we're now moving on to the sixth pick in the draft here, which is owned by the Cleveland Browns, who have one of the worst offensive lines in the league. DK, will you be going offensive line to protect DeShawn Watson and Shador Sanders?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know, man. Like, they. They signed a bunch of people in the off season. Zion Johnson, Elgin Jenkins, Titus Howard. I think they traded for. They have Tevin Jenkins already.

[Danny Heifetz]

So they.

[Danny Kelly]

They've did enough here where again, they kind of hedge.

[Craig Krolbek]

You feel good about that?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't feel good about it.

[Danny Heifetz]

If you look at those teams, the Browns took the cast offs from the other worst o lines in the league. They took Titus Howard from the Texans. They paid Zion Johnson a guard from the Chargers. They took Tevin Jenkins from. When the be offensive line sucked and Elton Jenkins was cut from the Packers. That's one of the worst. Elton Jenkins is good. Titus Howard, he was a guard and he wants to play right tackle for money, which makes sense. But the Texans didn't want to play him at right tackle. So it's like the Browns do need a left tackle. My question to Case. Do you think Spencer Fano, the Utah tackle, is a left tackle or is he a guard because his arms are shorter than Will Campbell's, but some teams might have him as a tackle.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's possible. He played right tackle, too. By the way, he got. He got replaced at left tackle by a guy, Loma, who's going to go quite a bit later, I believe Caleb Lomu.

[Craig Krolbek]

So are you taking.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm going best player available here. I'm going. Well, best player available and with one condition since they took. They took. Sorry, what's his name? Mason Graham, last year. Who is shorty short arm shorty McShorter.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a good point.

[Danny Kelly]

Actually, I'm not going to take Reuben Bain. I'm going to take David Bailey because you don't want to keep betting on outliers every. Are you having the issue again? What's going on?

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you hear this?

[Danny Kelly]

No, we can't hear it. Okay, then I'll explain it. Is it a guy?

[Danny Heifetz]

I actually, this is. They're doing construction behind me. Got it. Okay, if you can't hear it, I don't care.

[Craig Krolbek]

This is so interesting because I feel like the Browns Offense is completely in shambles and their defense isn't bad and they have a lot of like decent pieces that you're somewhat okay with. I mean they had the defensive rookie of the year last year, Carson Swessinger, but this is a real best player available. This is a Andrew Barry analytics move. Best.

[Danny Kelly]

They also have Craig. They also have two first round picks.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So they could. And, and they can get some offensive players later. I, I do think it. One thing that you kind of lose sight of during this time of year when we're doing mock drafts and believe me, every time I do a mock draft, someone's like, they don't even have. That's not even a need for them, blah, blah, blah. And then every draft weird stuff happens and teams take players that they just think is the best player. They double up at positions and they're like, they strength on a strength. Things like that. They. This happens in every single draft and

[Danny Heifetz]

there's always people say people like that makes no sense.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. There's no way in hell this is going to happen. Like, dude, have you ever watched the draft? Every year something crazy happens. So I try not to like, get too beholden to, quote unquote, the biggest need for a team when you know teams are just going to take the player that they think is going to be the biggest impact player over the long term. Look at how much rosters turn over year in and year out.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a good point. It depends. The truth is nobody drafts best player available after round one. Like after the round one ends, it becomes best player available. If a crazy talent falls, then they're trying to hire people at positions they need like any other company. And then the first round is kind of. But the question, some teams do it for the first round. 32 picks. Some teams do best player available for the first round grades where they have like 11 and they don't see a difference between the 19th player and the 35th player. As much as you think,

[Danny Kelly]

whatever, Craig, just straight face.

[Craig Krolbek]

I am drunk with power.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I deserve that. Let's be honest.

[Danny Kelly]

It's such a powerful tool.

[Craig Krolbek]

I know. I really don't know what else the Oscars can do because it's so awkward and uncomfortable in the moment every time. But you can't, I mean, what. You can't just let people talk forever because they will. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. You give people an inch, they'll take a mile.

[Craig Krolbek]

It's sad because it's like they've worked their entire life for this two minute stretch where they can thank everybody and acknowledge their. Their, you know, what they've done. And it's like, yeah, yeah, keep it moving, big guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

And everyone's like, mind's blank. It's like they don't know. They're like, oh. And it's like, boom.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. Okay, moving on here. So DK took David Bailey, the edge rusher, to the Browns, seventh pick here. The Washington commanders are up for high fits here. The commanders only have two picks in the top 140. So this is very important if it's what you do right here.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. The second and fourth round of Washington gave to Houston the Laramie Tunsil traits. So I think in this scenario, I think Washington could go defense, but they signed three edge rushers. They signed four defensive linemen. If you include Leo Chanel, they send five defensive linemen kind of. Or linebacker. I think if Washington. Sonny Styles is here, they would do that. But the Giants took them. I kind of think if Carnell Tate falls to Washington, they do that. Maybe they want to go defense, and maybe they would go Ruben Bane, but I think Cardinal Tate to Washington, because Washington's depth chart is Terry McLaurin. And then it looks like Miami's or looks like all these other teams. And frankly, I think all the teams that get the Ohio State receivers want another one because they're like, God, these guys are good and pro.

[Craig Krolbek]

Why not?

[Danny Heifetz]

Terry McLaren's 31. And then the other guys are like, Luke McCaffrey and Diami Brown went back there, and they're like fours and fives. And so I think Cardinal Tate with Jaden Daniels, like, they need that to be better. And then Washington kind of could focus everything else on defense. So I. I would give them Cardinal Tate. Dk, does that make sense to you?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, I like that. I think pairing him with McLaren is really interesting. Makes a ton of sense. You gotta. You gotta put some skill, player, talent around your receiver, talent, particularly around your young quarterback. He can't. They cannot have another year like last year where Jaden Daniels struggled, was hurt all the time, and they got to put everything around him to succeed this year. So that one makes a lot of sense to me, honestly. The commanders can go any direction. It wouldn't really surprise me. They did kind of what the jets did, which was sign a ton of players in free agency, and they don't have to paint themselves into a corner in a particular position.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, yeah, the wide receivers in Washington, I mean, it's at the point now where you're like, all right, we know Jaden Daniels is good. Now we have to actually give him people to throw the ball to. Outside of McLaren, Traylon, Burks, Luke McCaffrey, Deami Brown, they're tight ends. They brought in chica conquo but like it's pretty bleak. So I like that. Carnell Tate. Okay, eighth pick DK on the clock. New Orleans Saints.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm going with Reuben Bain here for edge player from Miami. They do need edge talent. They've lost some guys over the years. They. Generally speaking, the Saints are a team that likes to invest in the trenches. Over the last like five, six years, that's kind of been their M.O. and I know that he has short arms, but man, he just plays so hard. He's so explosive, so strong. I don't think he in particular, I don't think his arm length is going to be a huge, huge detriment to him. I think it's maybe something that you see every once in a while, but he's still going to be a really good player, really productive player. So I'm giving him that's a. That to me is a really good value for them.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you don't want to make a habit of betting on outliers. And Ruben Bain will have basically like the shortest arms of any first rounder ever drafted, more or less. But I think that it is more important for an offensive tackle than a defensive end because as you said dk, the offensive tackle is almost always less athletic unless you're Trent Williams, so you need the buffer. But defensive ends, you're kind of the one playing basketball, so it's better. But Ruben, it's always a weird term to use, but he plays violently. And I know that that's weird because frankly it's weird to describe football players as like violent, but you need to be a violent. You need to play violently to succeed in a defensive end and on the defensive line. And the. The Saints, I mean cam Jordan is 36. Whether he comes back or not. Then Chase Young has been hurt a lot and Carl Granderson I think is like 29. Like the saints don' have a lot of defensive end depth and the Saints could win the division and they, they're like one piece away in off Saints are a lot like Washington. They need a number two receiver and then all defense. Like the Saints have actually invested a ton in their offense around shock. It's like a lot of first round picks, highly paid guys on offense. They need defense and they Saints could easily win the NFC South.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, and the way this mock has gone, Colonel Tate's been a guy that I've kind of connected to the Saints. I. I've connected Jeremiah Love. I think he probably not if he does fall, he's not getting past the. Although I guess they signed etn so that probably changes things now.

[Danny Heifetz]

But Travis Hn.

[Danny Kelly]

Hn. Sorry, my bad. That.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's going to take us years.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, this makes sense for the Saints, I think.

[Craig Krolbek]

But you're right. I mean the. Again the Saints wide receivers, dude, after Chris Olave, Devon Vale, Mason Tipton, they have Bub Means, Kelvin Austin, Jalen Polk.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a lot. It's the. I'm seriously. The Saints in Washington rosters are oddly similar because they both have a number one Ohio State receiver in Chris Olave and Terry McL with a bunch of five receivers that are six or seventh round picks or washed out from other teams and then they actually have a lot of investment in the offensive line. They have both Washington, New Orleans as a first round pick at left tackle, at right tackle, on a. At a guard. They have a quarterback that they like. They have a running back like Washington just signed Rashad White. The Saints have Travis Hn and they kind of need a number two receiver and then just half a dozen spots on defense. And I think Cardinal Tate would go to Washington or the Saints.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, so let's recap. Top eight picks here. This. I want to stop here because this leads in nicely to the Chiefs at nine and there's a couple interesting guys available for them. So the top eight picks, if you're watching on Spotify or on Netflix, you will. You can see a little graphic. It looks like you're watching a real draft. You can see who the top eight picks have been, but I'll run through them. The Raiders at 1 took Fernando Mendoza. The jets at 2, Arvell Reese from Ohio State. The Cardinals at 3 took Francis Maui Noah out of Miami. The tackle. The Titans took Jeremiah Love running back out of Notre Dame. The Giants at 5 took linebacker Sonny Styles out of Ohio State. The Browns took David Bailey from Texas Tech. The edge rusher. The Commanders, Carnell Tate from Ohio State, the wide receiver. And the Saints just took Reuben Bain the address out of Miami. So now we have the ninth pick coming up for Heifetz. I'm looking at Caleb Downs, who some people think he think is maybe the best player in this draft. We have Spencer Fano attack lot of Utah. The Chiefs lost their safety Brian Cook this year, who they had for the last three years went to the Bengals and they Obviously need offensive line help. What are you doing?

[Danny Heifetz]

So the Chiefs have attacked free agency in a way where they, they. Some teams just put everything into one spot and they're going to draft the other. And then the Chiefs have invested enough at every spot where they don't need to take any position. The Chiefs lost their entire secondary. But then they added guys like, you know, they signed some cornerbacks, they signed some safe. So they could do anything. I think you could take a cornerback here because the Chiefs just lost like three cornerbacks in this everything. I think the Chiefs should take a right tackle. I think the Chiefs. So they cut Juwan Taylor, who was the side. Mr. Juwan, I call him the belt line Taylor because he was the guy who was always fricking offsides and they cut him. And they have Jalen Moore at right tackle, who is the Trent Williams backup for the 49ers they signed. But the Chiefs had so many weird things. It's like left tackle is Josh Simmons. He was in and out last year. That was a strange situation. They have Wanya Morris, they have Jaylen Moore. Patrick Morris is coming off a torn acl. And part of me is like, you're missing the force for the trees. Feel like you take a quarterback, take this. I'm like, take a. Take an offensive lineman to protect Patrick Mawman's office. Torn acl. Think about the next decade. So I'm going to give them Spencer Fano, the tackle at a Utah. And there are questions about length and everything, but Daniel Jeremiah at NFL Network made a great point this week, which is the coach at BYU played with Andy Reid at BYU forever ago. And wow, you can't. At the end of the day, football's like anything else.

[Danny Kelly]

Trust your buddies.

[Craig Krolbek]

What they're saying, you can't underestimate two people kind of knowing each other, kind

[Danny Heifetz]

of knowing each other about like, hey, should I hire this 22 year old kid? Yeah, great kid. You're like, all right. My buddy Mike. Buddy says he's a great kid. Don't underestimate that.

[Danny Kelly]

And I think great kid, you know, they're saying those exact words.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, he's a great kid.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so it's like, it's frankly great joke. But the arm length thing is easier to dismiss when Andy Reid's like, my guy says he's a great kid.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so I'm gonna give him Spencer F. This is.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a good little tidbit. Yeah, that's good.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, Chiefs, are you really gonna regret

[Danny Heifetz]

protecting Mahomes like you're gonna look back on that. Like, there's no way that that's, like, bad. No, it's my two cents.

[Danny Kelly]

It's also funny sometimes. This is like, the one thing that came into my head is when you have players have that have the same color uniform in college and in pros, for some reason, it, like, works. Except for Caleb Johnson.

[Danny Heifetz]

So.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

T. Higgins. Clemson to the Bengals.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Was all timer for that one for me. I agree. I think it's LSU a little bit. Like, it's like yellow purple. Justin Jefferson to purple yellow. With the Vikings a little bit more in the helmet.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, the one that I was thinking of, that I just made fun of Craig of. I don't know if you caught it, Craig, but Caleb Johnson, the running back, went from Iowa.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

To the Steelers. Did not. It was almost identical. Uniform did not work out great yet. But there's time. There's time.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. That's been a disaster. Mike Evans, A and M to Bucks.

[Danny Kelly]

Dark, kind of. Kind of.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess I helmet a little.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, what, they're both like dark red. Come on.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I think you're right.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. He's like.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well, one's maroon.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay. Tenth pick, Cincinnati Bengals.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, you're sorry. You're right about Evans

[Danny Kelly]

sprinting to the podium to take Caleb Downs, Ohio State safety. The Bengals just need defensive players, period. And I think this makes sense. They did sign Brian Cook. I kind of still like this, though. Like, get as many guys in that secondary as you can. I don't think that precludes them. Brian Cook is. Is sort of like a thumper type. And Caleb Downs can play all over the defensive formation. He can be kind of a nickelback. So, yeah, I do think even with what happened in free agency for the Bengals sprinting to get one of the best players in the draft, even though there are potential knee issues here.

[Craig Krolbek]

High Fitch, you like this?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. You know, the Bengals are an organization that they just love football players, man. You know what I mean? And obviously, like, the Bengals are in a group of teams like me, like the Saints, the Cowboys, the Saints, Washington. There are like five or six teams that are almost done on offense. They have like nine or 10 players that they've paid or put a first round pick into an offense. And then defense, they did half a dozen players, and you look at the defense, you're like, yeah, they lost Trey Hendrickson. They gives a pass rusher. But, you know, if Reuben Bain is gone and David Bailey's gone, I think the Bengals are the kind of Team that we just. They're like, I love the same reason I love Caleb Downs, where they're like, man, I know his positional value, safety, whatever, but I'm like, this Caleb Downs is so impressive to me with his football iq. I love the way he plays, I love the way he tackles. I. You know, again, it means something to me that Caleb Downs was the captain of the championship game Ohio State played vs. Notre Dame when he was a transfer that year. Like, that means something to me. There was like, if you combine last year and this year, there's probably like 15 guys, 16 guys are going to be drafted from their Ohio State defense and the transfer comes in as one of the younger guys and gets to be the captain. I just think he's the glue of everything and he changed. I love Caleb Downs, so I think the Bengals will too. I think it totally makes sense for me.

[Craig Krolbek]

Number 11 here high fitz. We have the Dolphins, who also just acquired the 30th pick in the draft by trading Jalen Waddle. So they have 11 and 30. Who are you giving them at 11?

[Danny Heifetz]

So the dolphins. It's weird because now you got to remember the Dolphins are run by the packers now. Like the packers brain trust is running.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Danny Heifetz]

So you want to, you want. If Cardinal Tate fell to the Miami. I think the Miami would take Cardinal Tate in the situation where he's gone. You look at Jordan Tyson, who is a great receiver from Arizona State but has a lot of knee issues, had a collarbone broken, had multiple ACL tear, and I'm like, the packers don't pick these guys. I think it makes sense. You remind me, take the guard. I'm going to go with Vega. Yoane, dk. Am I doing that right out of Penn State?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a guard. I don't care. He's a, he's a Mauler. He's. I just. Miami needs to get tougher in the trenches, man. Like the book of Miami, a little soft. Tua I don't think had a great situation in Miami, but also Tua never had a good offensive line. Miami missed on a lot of their players. Austin Jackson's back for them. But a right tackle is a one year deal for not that much money. You know, I think they're going to have like Jamari, Jamari Salier at right tackle from the Chargers to get like a minimum deal. Like they don't have a right guard. And I just think Miami needs to have an interior that can protect Malik Willis and like if Malik Willis is not the quarterback of the future. Long term, you need to build something where you can succeed. And then you have all these other picks. They have four third rounders. They have a second rounder. They have another first. That's where you just take volume darts at receiver and so you don't try at the receiver. So I know receiver is tempting here, but I would just do that later and get the guard down.

[Craig Krolbek]

When your offense is stripped down, when your entire team is stripped down to the studs like Miami's, like, just start with the trenches.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Building offense, your quarterback.

[Craig Krolbek]

No one's going to be upset if you have a good offensive line and a bad quarterback.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jim Harbaugh said offensive line is the only position that makes every position better. Literally every single one in the team.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, that gets us to the 12th pick here. Dallas on the clock. DK. What are the Cowboys doing?

[Danny Kelly]

So I think defense is where I go to with the Cowboys. And in particular, I'm kind of looking at corner. Just the way what things have shaken out in Dallas, I feel like cornerback is kind of an issue for them. And Mansoor Delaine, I think, is who I'm gonna go with here. I personally really like avion Terrell. He's A.J. terrell's little brother, but he's. He's a little bit small. Some people think he might be more of like a Nickelback type. I'm not sure he would go quite this high. So I'm going with a guy who is, I think, generally known as the number one corner in this class. There's a handful of guys that could take that title, but he's really, really instinctive. Can play zone, can play, man. Just kind of like a plug and play starter for a team that needs a. Needs more help at corner.

[Craig Krolbek]

Talk to me about this cornerback class. A little bit. And yeah, in general, like, how?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I think it's an interesting one. I don't know if there's any top 10 picks at corner just because every guy. And it's like this is part of this whole class. It feels like every guy kind of has like a butt attached to them in terms of, like, Mansur Delaine, you know, really instinctive, good ball production, but a little bit slower, a little bit like less length or whatever. So maybe not a number one cornerback. Avian Terrell, same deal. He's a little bit small. Javon McCoy, Tennessee is really good. His 2024 tape was really good, but he didn't play in 2025 and then he didn't compete at the combine. So people are wondering what's going on with his knee because he had an ACL injury and they drafted Siobhan Ravelle

[Danny Heifetz]

last year as a rookie in the third round who had a knee reconstruction. John Bland has two foot surgeries in two years, which is like you can't draft another injured corner.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? That's a great call. So. And then Craig, your. Your boy. Chris Johnson, San Diego State corner man. He is really fun. I'm really hoping he kind of the see the Seahawks. I have kind of circled for him. Hopefully Caleb Colton Hood from Tennessee, the guy that played opposite or sort of the opposite of McCoy also very intriguing. This is a pretty good class of corners, but just no elite guys. I would say Brandon C. Say from South Carol is is super fast. D' Angelo Ponce from Indiana, another guy who's super undersized but just plays like a maniac in a good way. Kind of got the Devin Witherspoon Persona to him. Keanu Keante Scott from Miami, another guy who's kind of in that same mold where a little bit undersized, sort of a Nickelback guy, but plays really hard, ferocious. I really like this corner class. I'm just not sure if they're. If we're going to see a top 10 guy that's saying.

[Danny Heifetz]

So you hate cornerbacks.

[Danny Kelly]

I know some of these corners this year are really fun to watch and again, I don't want to make everything about Devin Witherspoon because. But I just love the way he plays. He's so ferocious, so tenacious, tone setter and energy to a defense. You see a couple guys in that. Yeah. Avion Terrell to me is one of those guys where he's just. Man, he's just everywhere he tackles, he's a blitzer, he ups the intensity on a defense. Like I said, d' Angelo Pond's undersized but super fun to watch. There's some nickelback type guys in this class that are going to be really fun to watch.

[Danny Heifetz]

But to that point, the Cowboys taking Minster Lane, the top cornerback in this draft probably makes sense because the Cowboys honestly, I would argue the Cowboys have missed three picks in the first round in the last 20 years. The Cowboys always hit like the Cowboys pick is always like they're kind of like the Ravens where you're like damn, I can't believe that happened. And delane fall into the Cowboys like they would take them. You're like, oh yeah, they got a good football player.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, Jerry knows. Don't question Jerry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Will McClay knows, but yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, 13th pick, the Rams. So. Dh, you're on the clock here. The Rams did have two first round picks, but they gave one to the Chiefs for Trent McDuffie. So now they just have the 13th pick, which they got from Atlanta. So he. Fitz, what are the rams doing at 13?

[Danny Heifetz]

We're on the phone with Howie Roseman. Ooh, we're getting. I think the Rams are getting two calls. The Lions are on the phone. The Lions want to trade up. The Lions have the. The night. The 17th pick. The Lions want to move up 4 DK.

[Craig Krolbek]

Wait, can you play Brad Holmes, DK?

[Danny Heifetz]

You're not carrying your giant balls in with you.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, who. What running back or receiver am I trading up for here?

[Danny Heifetz]

We can't tell you. I'm the Lions too. You know, I could. I do think the Lions are on the phone. They're like, oh, we want to move up. But you're like, remember we. We. Because Brad Holmes worked for the Rams.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, right.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the Rams are like, you want to give us a fourth to move back four spots? Unless needs. Like, you know what? We don't hunt for bait. Fish. Right. We're going for sharks. Like, we're trying to get a fish.

[Danny Kelly]

Next year's first.

[Danny Heifetz]

Gotta get a marlin.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I want to ask you guys, do you think the Rams pay up for like an AJ Brown or a Max Crosby deal and, like, because they say they're out but draft night, or do they pick. Because I don't think they move back unless they're getting a first or like a future first like last year or a player. I don't think they're moving back four spots.

[Craig Krolbek]

Do you think they would move on from Devonte Adams if they're bringing in A.J. brown?

[Danny Heifetz]

No. They're winning a Super Bowl. They don't give a.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's kind of wild to me. Then go. I really don't understand. I feel like the one thing I didn't think the Rams needed was another wide receiver.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like, well, devonte Adams, he's banging. The injury situation, I think is, like, kind of weighing on.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, Puka is not exactly the. He's not a careful guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, like, try to guard those teams. It's like. It's an embarrassment riches. It's like imagine Sean McVeigh with the best players. That's it. Most great teams are a great coach with a ton of great players.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, man.

[Craig Krolbek]

Just the idea of AJ Brown, Puka and Devonte Adams rolling out there in the playoffs, and they're all probably going to be hurt, but.

[Danny Kelly]

So you're saying the Rams maybe give up the 13th pick for A.J. brown?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you know what? I kind of want to do it. I don't know if this is really going to happen, but I kind of want to do it.

[Craig Krolbek]

That would be ridiculous value for Philly.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Ridiculous.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is that wrong? I don't want to do it. If you think that's.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think. I don't think they're giving up.

[Craig Krolbek]

I don't think they would do that either.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

No. Watch him get your. Brown's too old.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, man.

[Craig Krolbek]

You think.

[Danny Heifetz]

You say you. Brown's 28.

[Danny Kelly]

It would be more complicated than straight up for 13, probably, right? Like a trade back plus next year's second or something like that.

[Craig Krolbek]

A.J. brown is 29 on June 30th, so he's 29 for the season.

[Danny Kelly]

And I don't know, man.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, maybe they don't care about the headache and they think that he can slot in and it's like a, you know, Odell on the Rams type of thing. But

[Danny Kelly]

let's just avoid.

[Craig Krolbek]

Let's avoid.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's avoid doing trades in this just

[Danny Heifetz]

because I'm gonna do it in the trade. I'm gonna call you next time.

[Danny Kelly]

You never told me this beforehand, but okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's okay. I'm gonna call you.

[Craig Krolbek]

So. Wait, who are they? What are they doing here?

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk, do you think it's crazy if the Rams take Makai Lemon here? I don't know if I feel about him as a first rounder, to be totally honest, but I kind of think the Rams want a receiver. You know what.

[Danny Kelly]

What about Jordan Tyson?

[Craig Krolbek]

I think Makai Lemon, you know what, provides something that the Rams don't have right now. I feel like he stylistically is like something new for them, but I. I like Jordan Tyson way more, to be honest.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm going to do Jordan Tyson because I think Jordan Tyson makes sense as the Devonte Adams replacement. And I think Jordan Tyson is a great third receiver, but Devonta Adams is going to be 34, and then Tyson, his style and everything, like, just the really. I. He's not like the fastest straight line guy, but honestly, a lot of those guys, I think Jordan Tyson makes a ton of sense for the Rams and he can help immediately. But then I do think in two years, he's the man beater for the Rams and then stays as the zone beater. So, yeah, I'll give them.

[Danny Kelly]

There are some aspects of Jordan Tyson's game that remind me of devonte in fact like just like footwork and the short area quickness that he has. Like his. His wiggle is reminiscent. I don't think he's nearly as good at kind of at the catch point as devonte Adams is.

[Danny Heifetz]

But it's an underrated part of receiver because we. We obsess over Xavier worthy and the straight line speed. But much of receiver of what actually succeeds is could you actually beat someone off the dribble than basketball? Like these guys are playing bat and like Xavier is fast but could he get around a cornerback to the basket to where he's going? Not necessarily. And like that's Devonte Adams has like he's the Kyrie Irving of receivers.

[Craig Krolbek]

Jordan Tyson has good game feel like even if he's not faster than Xavier worthy, like he moves well in the field and like when he's going left to right and forward and back and diagonally, like he has agility and speed that way and you just jumps off. You just see it.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the catch radius Stafford like you want a guy with a catch radius for that. Where Stafford's going to be like put it in this like really small window and Tyson goes up and get it. So yeah, I'll give Tyson and I think he can help him win a Super bowl this year, which is the

[Craig Krolbek]

point that's incredibly sexy. And well, it's funny. Okay, now that you attach a name to it, would you trade Jordan Tyson for A.J. brown straight up?

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, it's funny, it's hard to say because on one hand I'm like, I'm curious who you think dk but Jordan Tyson is these the injuries. But so does A.J. brown. A.J. brown played the whole second season. He got like 1100 yards and he. They told him he's out for the season.

[Craig Krolbek]

Like how much better will 2026 and 2027 be for AJ Brown than Jordan Tyson?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think AJ Brown's really underrated because

[Danny Kelly]

I would rather have AJ Brown.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right. I think AJ Brown is the most obvious buy low candidate. I think the reason he has been trade against the money. I think AJ Brown is still like an elite football player and everyone's like, oh, he's frustrated. But we're also like, oh, so the Eagles might replace in a year from now, the Eagles might be talking about replacement replacing Jalen Hurts or two years and we're gonna look back and be like, oh yeah, Jalen hurts was. Or AJ Brown was probably right. I if I think AJ Brown could get traded and have 1600 yards next year. I wouldn't be shocked at all. I think he's still a top six.

[Craig Krolbek]

I think that's right. I think I. I would lean towards that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, here's with the knee. His. We don't know how he'll age, but I think he's incredible.

[Craig Krolbek]

14th pick DK, Baltimore Ravens.

[Danny Kelly]

What the hell do I do with the Ravens?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm on the phone. I got it. Dk. Don't worry. Thank you.

[Danny Kelly]

Save me.

[Danny Heifetz]

What do you got from the Lions here, Colin? We have the fourth round pick. We will give you our fourth and we're going to give you our fourth round pick and we want to swap seconds so you can just have our fourth rounded move back three spot or sorry, four spots here and you can just have the 120th pick. And then on top of it, you're also going to be able to move up a little bit it. In round two or. Sorry. Never mind.

[Craig Krolbek]

Not round two.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a different thing. I'll give you a fourth rounder deal.

[Danny Kelly]

That doesn't feel like very much. Make it a third.

[Danny Heifetz]

We don't have a third. We try to because we love. This is why I'm calling it the Lions lines get itchy. The lines trade up for Jameson Williams.

[Danny Kelly]

All right. We can, we can come. We can come up with a creative compensation here. And I'll just say go ahead because I'm actually. I. I do think the Raven. There's sort of like a teardrop here for. Yeah like offensive linemen and edge players and stuff. Like I. I think moving back a few spots is not going to hurt the Ravens.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Lions get so itchy when they want to play.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And like they trade up all the time. The Ravens always trade back. So I really do think that this is an obvious one.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm gonna have the lines move up and I think the lines are going to take Monroe Freeling, the tackle from Georgia. And I'm curious if you agree, dk but it's very simple. It's the stat. We. None of us can really. Not stat but the. The fact none of us can really get over it, which is the Lions have one starting offensive lineman from two years ago. Yeah, they were like. It's the identity of the team. The Lions probably have bigger need. They might need an edge rusher. They might need whatever. But the Lions identity has to be mauling, running the ball. They have to get back to it. I think the right side of the line for Detroit's. Okay. They have penny se like you Know, top two right tackle in the NFL, Tate Lydge will. I think it'd be good. They got a center. Cade May is the Panthers guy. The left side they have Giovanni Manu. Who. What is he from British Columbia? He was like a third round pick.

[Danny Kelly]

Some teams have him talk about that.

[Craig Krolbek]

Imagine Timbuktu. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

What is he like?

[Danny Kelly]

He's British Columbian.

[Danny Heifetz]

He didn't like, I don't think. I don't know if he even played college football is my point. Like, he's like a total project. And the idea that like yeah, he was. He went to college and he was the first player from the University of British Columbia ever drafted in the NFL. Like he didn't go to a college football program. And so the idea. That's the starting left tackle for the Lions this year. He's. That's a swing tackle project. And so I think the Lions trading up for Monroe Freeland, which. Tell me if you disagree. Dk, he's like, I think has the physic and I could be wrong. I think it's the physicality that Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes will be like, he's a Lion.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, yeah, I can see this.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think in your draft card you have him as feisty and I think they need someone like that.

[Danny Kelly]

Really, really athletic mover, light feet, tons of tons of length. He's kind of got that. He's a little bit of a project think one year starter. But he's. He's got the upside to be a really good player for a really good starter for years and years.

[Danny Heifetz]

And they cut Taylor Decker, the left attack.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Y. And to stress why the Lions would do this. DK According to your big board. So if they take Monroe freeling here at 14, you don't have another offensive lineman until 27th on your big board.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, I think that, that And Heifetz, when I was thinking of who to give the Ravens here, I'm like, I don't know, like maybe they would go offensive line, but I think with Ronnie Stanley just signed a contract last year, so they got that guy and then they got Roger Rosengarden at the right tackle spot. So they're probably not going to take out their tackle then. Yeah, whatever.

[Craig Krolbek]

The number 15th pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Heifetz, who will they take?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm giving them Akeem Esther, the University of Miami pass rusher. He is the other one aside from Ruben Bay in the edge rusher and he is the one who's 25 years old. And some teams want youth, some teams don't the Buccaneers are a win now. Todd Bowles is as hot seed as you can get for an established coach. Todd Bulls fired all three coordinators. Bucks are quietly a mess. Like they fired all three coordinators. Mike Evans left. They collapsed down the stretch. They should have won the division.

[Craig Krolbek]

They didn't like dude, it's crazy at like week five last year the Bucks were like a top four super bowl favorite.

[Danny Heifetz]

They absolutely collapsed.

[Danny Kelly]

Baker Mayfield was like an MVP candidate.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so I think some teams look at the age thing and are bad. Todd Bowles is short term. They're like we need and not that he's making the pick. Jason Light is the gm, but I think Todd Bowles needs a password to contribute. Trevor Sikima, who does great work on the drafted pro Football Focus, is a huge Bucks fan. I really trust what Trevor thinks about the Bucks and he thinks they've needed edge rusher for years. None of the pass rushers that Bucks have picked DK have made it. Like they have like Yaya Diabi. They have like, you know, Chris Braswell was from Bama, kind of a run pass guy. Joe Tran Shayinka. Like none of these edge rushers have really made an impact. Like the Bucks used to be defined by it. When they won the super bowl with the Brady, it was before Brady got there was edge defense. They need pass rush. So I think Tampa is going to take someone who can contribute immediately.

[Danny Kelly]

That makes sense.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you like Messador as a player?

[Danny Kelly]

I do, man. I think he's really good. Other than he's gonna be 25 years old. Yeah. Jim Carrey from the Cable Guy. You guys gotta watch that movie. It's freaking hilarious. Just imagine just an absolute maniac on the field. You don't want to be near him on the field in a good way. Complimentary. So I, I do like him. I think the only problem is he's a five year player or whatever or six year player. He's gonna be 25 years old as a rookie. So there's some concern that he's sort of at the peak of his development arc and won't get any better or wasn't really all that good until he was 25 years old playing against, you know, 18 and 19 year olds or whatever.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Mitch Edberg line.

[Danny Kelly]

Wish I could go back to Little League now and kick some ass. But yeah, I, I do really like him. I think he's. He's in a similar vein as Ruin Bane. Honestly. Just an absolute ferocious.

[Craig Krolbek]

Craig just said we're halfway through the show, baby. We got to keep moving.

[Danny Kelly]

I was about to tell you, you

[Craig Krolbek]

got to be a little more trigger

[Danny Kelly]

happy on that on the playoff music because we got to be careful what

[Craig Krolbek]

you wish for, sir.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, the jets are up at 16. DK. What are the jets doing?

[Danny Kelly]

This is the Sauce Gardener pick I'm gonna give them. Dude, I'm looking at their. Their roster. They filled so many holes. Not. Maybe not filled is the right word, but they addressed a lot of holes on their defense, in free agency and in trades. So I'm going to address the offense here. Geno Smith, give him at least a fighter's chance of doing something this year. And I'm going to take Makai Lemon from usc, who I think is a good complement to what they have at the receiver core. Garrett Wilson, kind of a do everything guy. AD Mitchell, you know, he showed some flashes as an outside player for them, but put. Put Makai Lemon in the slot and I think he could be really, really productive for them. And doing run after the catch stuff. He's really, really tough at the catch point. Gives them some tenacity on offense. Yeah, I mean, you saw I'm like the serpentine interview at the. At the combine. He's just an intense dude and I really like him. I think, you know, he has the potential to be productive from day one

[Craig Krolbek]

for them, I gotta say. The jets taking a guy named Lemon. No shot.

[Danny Kelly]

Drafted 11 in the first round.

[Craig Krolbek]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

The jets took a Lemon, right? Fights itself.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. I mean, round two of Geno Smith on the jets throw into a guy named Lemon.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

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[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, yeah, that's fair. So quick, let's review the last eight picks here. Once again, if you're watching on Spotify or Netflix, you can pull up the video and you can see our graphic of the picks. So far.

[Danny Heifetz]

Turn us on Netflix when you're leaving your house.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let it run.

[Craig Krolbek]

Let your dog watch us. So the ninth pick or your cat? Ninth pick in the draft. We gave Spencer Fano the tackle to the Chiefs at 10. The Bengals took safety Caleb Downs out of Ohio State at 11. Miami took Vega Ione Yoani.

[Danny Kelly]

You want it.

[Craig Krolbek]

You want it and I do. Dallas Cowboys took Manz or Delaney. Delane. Delaney.

[Danny Kelly]

Delaney.

[Craig Krolbek]

These are hard. Delane at 12. At 13, we had the Rams taking wide receiver Jordan Tyson. 14, we had a trade. The Lions traded up to grab Monroe Freeling the tackle from Georgia. The Bucks at 15 took address or Akeem Messador. And the jets just took Makai Lemon the receiver out of usc, which now high fits. The Ravens have just traded back to 17. I have a feeling you're going to give them Sadiq Bay here because they need a tight end. I mean, Sadiq Bay, Kenyon Sadiq, not the NBA player. That would be cool, though.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I think DK is on Ravens duty.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you want me to take this?

[Craig Krolbek]

Oh, this is dk? Yeah. Are you giving them Kenyon Sadiq now? Tight end? They lost Isaiah likely.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Krolbek]

Mark Andrews is old. You're not doing it.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I think they. I don't know. That's a good question. The Ravens, it's interesting because if you look at the last few years, their biggest hits in the draft have been quote unquote, non premium positions. You look at like Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton, Tyler Linderbaum, some of these guys that have come in and like fall into them because they're not premium positions. But then they turn into all pro players. Kenyan City could be a next in that line. I think that they'll just do the sort of Ravens thing, which is address the trenches. Big, big, strong, powerful, high upside pass rushers. I'm gonna go with Keldrick Falk from Auburn.

[Craig Krolbek]

He.

[Danny Kelly]

He fits. Kind of what they've done in the past where you're. You're looking for traits over production. Maybe they'll change now because it hasn't really worked out for them. That's kind of why they traded for. For Max Crosby and then backed out of it.

[Danny Heifetz]

But took Adafe away to Penn State. He had no career sacks.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but I don't know how. I don't know if they're going to completely abandon their previous philosophy or maybe I don't know. So. But that's just kind of like where.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like. Like two days and then they regretted it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, they're like, I gotta go back to my wife. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna go with Keldrick Falk. He's just big, strong, athletic, very young. Like, tons of upside potential to. As he grows, like, you know, figures out more moves and things like that as a pass rusher. But I just think from day one, he's a, you know, plug him in and he's just gonna, like, wreck shop on the defensive line.

[Danny Heifetz]

Speaking of the Ravens, I know I'm watching Mad Men. I'm comparing everything to Mad Men right now, but spoiler in a show that's like almost 20 years old. But I got. I'm just spoil season six, so skip forward if you want, but I got to the point where Ted sleeps with Peggy, and then he's like, I love you. I'm going to leave my wife. Like, let's get me. I love you. Like, let's do this. And Peggy's like, okay. And she's like, don't rush it. Like, I don't want a scandal. Like, he's like, I'm going to leave my wife. And he goes home and he gets in bed and he sees his kids, and he's like, what am I doing? And he's like, we're moving to California. He's like, I'm getting away from this woman. I'm like, this is the Ravens. Like, that's what the Ravens did. They're like, max, Carl, I'm doing this. Like, we're doing this. And then they saw the thing, they went home, and they're like, what am I doing? And then she takes the trip.

[Danny Kelly]

They got hormonal, as Pete Carroll would put it.

[Craig Krolbek]

So who does that make Trey Hendrickson, then? Is that. Who's that?

[Danny Heifetz]

The California office?

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

[Craig Krolbek]

A walk on the beach. All right.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

So that brings us to pick 18. Minnesota Vikings DK. What are we thinking?

[Danny Kelly]

This is like, absolutely shock now because everybody is connecting these two player or the player and team here. But I'm going with Dylan Thieman, Oregon safety, Just the Harrison Smith replacement. And he is so. He's one of my favorite players in this draft, full stop. He's just really athletic, rangy, hard hitter, plays with good discipline. One of the most athletic players in the combine. I just think there's a ton of ton of upside here. He is this year's version of Nick Em and worry.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think white Dylan Tienemann is white chocolate Minka Fitzpatrick from eight years ago, but. Except the league now is better suited to make A Fitzpatrick skill set than when he came in. Like Mika Fitzpatrick was in the Dolphins didn't really fit anywhere. He's a tweener. Then the Steelers gave up a first to get make of Fitzpatrick because the first time the Steelers had given up their own first round pick in like 50 years. That's how good Mike Tomlin thought make a Fitzpatrick was. He was incredible. That skill set of being able to play all these different positions on defense that five years ago was like, oh, what do we do with this guy? Now it's like, it's like NBA switch everything. Oh, you can guard a big. Now you got to be able to take a point guard at the top of the key. And so like they need cornerbacks who can switch on now that they have more tight ends. Can you do a tight end? Can you blitz? Can you take on a block? Can you tackle a running back? Can you like they need guys who can do everything. Tinaman is so athletic. I was close and. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Craig Krolbek]

It's a good pick though. I like it. I'm excited to watch him. Everybody loves him. I feel like since the combine I've been hearing about how much of a freak he is.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay. That brings us to the 19th pick, the Panthers high. Fitz, what are the Panthers doing at night team?

[Danny Heifetz]

So this is the first one where I'm a little. I think the Panthers also need a safety and would love Tinaman to fall to them and would take Tina in a heartbeat. But frankly, I'm a little. I don't know what to do here. I think Carolina is a little more analytics oriented than you think. I don't know what they would do here. Part of me thinks the. Part of me just thinks the obvious answer is maybe Carolina just takes Kaden Proctor out of Alabama, which is a little crazy. But Iki Aquanu, their left tackle, had a very serious knee injury and maybe I'm overrating that, but part of me is like, just take an offensive lineman. Like you cannot lose the offensive line for Bryce Young. I know they have Taylor Motor, crucial left tackle maybe, and they brought in

[Craig Krolbek]

Rasheed Walker as well.

[Danny Heifetz]

This year they signed Rashid Walker. Yeah, I guess maybe they wouldn't do that. But I look at the other, other

[Craig Krolbek]

players, they don't have a tight end. Why is nobody picking Kenyan Sadiq? Would they not get a tight end? The Carolinas, Tommy Tremble, Jatavian Sanders. Who do they have a tight end?

[Danny Heifetz]

Because there's a lot of. I think it's. It's this. Honestly, it's not that different than fantasy football where you're like, do you want to take a tight end in the second round? You're like, yeah, I get one later. Because it's like, can you get a defensive tackle in the third round? It's really hard. But a tight end, I mean, Trey McBride was a second round pick. Kelsey was the third round pick. George Kittle was not a first round pick. Like all the great tight ends. Not that you know, other than, I mean, who. I mean, really. What, Colson Loveland and Brock Bowers? Not if you look at the best titans in the NFL.

[Craig Krolbek]

Tyler Warren.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Tyler Warren was good, but like Tucker Kraft was, I think he was the second tight end the packers took in that draft.

[Craig Krolbek]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I think teams want to wait.

[Craig Krolbek]

What about a safety? What about Emmanuel McNeil Warren?

[Danny Heifetz]

You know what? Maybe. Honestly, that's probably the right answer. Can I swap it out? I think that's correct because I think they sure. Panthers really need a safety. And the defense is really close. Offense, they put in some again, they're another team that has Jalen coker and Ted McMillan. They have Bryce Young, they have everything else. And I think the defense, like, you know. Yeah. So I think that makes sense.

[Craig Krolbek]

McNeil Warren, he's another one that got a ton of buzz in Indianapolis.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I feel like, dude, he has a great peanut punch. Craig, he just punches the out of the ball and it's awesome. Okay, that's my analysis on that.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, so we're officially giving McNeil Warren to the Panthers 20th pick. Now, DK, we have the. The. The Cowboys.

[Danny Kelly]

Cowboys again.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's right.

[Danny Kelly]

So they're in the first. Their first of two first rounders. I picked Mansour Delane, LSU corner. I think the Cowboys, one of the main reasons they traded Micah Parsons was so they could add multiple players to their defense and try and not be just so dependent on one guy. I am kind of looking at Kenyon Sadiq here and I'm interested. You know, Jake Ferguson, I think is a fine player, but he's not like a game changing talent. He's not someone that can, you know, tilt the field in any direction. But I think I'm gonna go meat and potatoes here. Edge, T.J. parker, Clemson. This is the range where I think guys like him will start coming off the board because he was one of those players who in 2024 was much more productive. He kind of fell off in 2025. The production wasn't there. What people thought he. They should or he should have or was expected to have. But you could say that about pretty much everybody. On Clemson in general, it was just a really disappointing year for them. And so I think he did, you know, enough, he flashed enough in terms of power on the edge. He's a big bodied guy, good upside potential to get back, you know, on the positive as a pass rush because like in 2024 he was pretty productive as pass rusher. So I think teams are still going to look at that and think this guy, they can extract some of that from him and going forward. So I'm gonna go with T.J. parker for Clemson.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that makes sense. I mean Cowboys, they need a defense, they need a pass rush. I'm trying to think if the Cowboys had a pass rusher recently that was good, that they need to replace the other.

[Danny Kelly]

The other edge guys that like are talked about in this, in this range are all kind of have one glaring issue. Cassius Howell, Texas A and M, extremely short arms. He's another guy that has just like outlier length arms. You got R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma, who is really explosive but a little undersized. You got Zion Young from Missouri. I think he could actually end up going late first round just because he plays with so much power. Gabe Jackass from Illinois, I'm probably saying that wrong. Yakis, he's really a fun player. He just absolutely clobbers people. Derek Moore from Michigan, a lot of these guys are power rushers with not a lot of bend but just incredible strength at the point of attack to bull rush. But I think this is sort of that range where you could see a handful of different edge guys come off the board.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, that brings us to my Pittsburgh Steelers at 21 now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you're gonna make it.

[Danny Kelly]

Get some lobbying in here, Craig.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well, so look, I wanted the Steelers to take a wide receiver, but then they brought in Michael Pittman. Do they. They still need more help at wide receiver because behind DK Metcalf and, and Michael Pittman is, is brutal. It's. And it's like Bas. Ben Skoronic and that's it. I don't know if they're gonna draft like Denzel Boston or Kevin Concepcion or something like that. I don't know. DK isn't Peter woods the dune worm guy. Maybe they just bring in him and just keep adding to the defensive line. Cam Hayward's, you know, this is probably his last year in the league. Like try to find your Cam Hayward replacement. Derek Harmon was a good rookie year player. You have Keanu Betting Yaya Black. But, like, you can't have too. I mean, just like, do the Eagles thing. Just build the best defensive line in the trenches that you can.

[Danny Kelly]

And he's. He's. He reminds me of, like an Eagles type pick of a guy who was really good a year before and then kind of fell off for whatever reason and then fell in the draft. And then the Eagles end up getting, like, this really good player, and everyone's like, God damn it, why did they get him? You know, Peter Woods.

[Craig Krolbek]

Do.

[Danny Kelly]

Do your. Yeah, I think you should take him shy. Hulu. Do your shy Hull.

[Craig Krolbek]

Bit shy aloud. Ball of trade. He's pesky ball. Women of Arrakis.

[Danny Kelly]

Nasty, nasty women trying to wage a holy war.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Peter woods because. Cool. That just sounds. That just sounds like the smart move. Unless there's an offensive lineman that you think. I mean, because I would just love them to take an offensive lineman as much as possible.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, Kaden Proctor is there a left tackle?

[Danny Heifetz]

Makes sense.

[Craig Krolbek]

Not good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I think it. Left tackle makes sense for Pittsburgh as well.

[Craig Krolbek]

I know I was thinking, like, best player available. I'm looking at. I'm looking at Peter woods. But then if it's like you want to take an actual need, finding a Broderick Jones replacement would be lovely.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think Kaden Proctor. I think Caleb Lomo from Utah. The tackle. The other one outside from Spencer Fano. I, I, I mean, I mean, even Matt Max. I can't pronounce it. Ian Echo from Arizona. I, I think a left tack. This is the left tackle run. This is.

[Craig Krolbek]

Let's switch it then. I want to switch it because what's the best tackle I should take? Kaden Proctor.

[Danny Kelly]

He might be a guard.

[Danny Heifetz]

He might be what?

[Danny Kelly]

He might be a guard. If you want a pure tackle.

[Craig Krolbek]

Caleb, if he's huge and kind of slow. We already have that in Broderick Jones, so I'd like to go with something huge and fast.

[Danny Heifetz]

He actually caught a touchdown this year. Right? I mean, he's really.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, he, He's. He's like £360. So fast is relative. I mean, he's, you know.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, But I mean, for 67360, I think he's pretty.

[Craig Krolbek]

So what am I doing? I, I will defer to you, dk. Who, who, which, which tackle should I take?

[Danny Kelly]

Caleb Lomu probably has the most upside out of Utah as a left tackle. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like a pure left tackle.

[Craig Krolbek]

Let's go with Caleb Lomu.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right. Chargers at 22 DK. What are we doing for my boys?

[Danny Kelly]

This is a team that I've connected to Kaden Proctor, because they went out and did the. Who was the Eagles guy that they signed last off season that ended up being kind of a bus. Makai Becton, that is. I think Proctor is nice because you could play tackle on a pinch if. If one of the tackles ends up not being healthy by the time they're ready to go. But I think he's going to be an ass kicker at guard at the very least. So Kaden Proctor from Alabama has been a player, team connection that I kind of like.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is a great example for the Chargers of, yeah, take the best player available. Best. The best player who plays offensive line available. It's like, you know what I mean? It just. Yeah, protect Justin Herbert. Like, protect Justin Herbert.

[Craig Krolbek]

You literally cannot have enough offensive linemen on the Chargers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jim Harbaugh literally made a rule. We haven't talked about this enough. Jim harbor made a rule that team players can't high five Justin Herbert because Jim Harbaugh said he woke up in the middle of the night and was worried that a high five. He saw the earlier days. Like the players are high fiving and dapping up Justin Herbert too violently. No one's allowed to high five Justin Herbert anymore. And I'm like, they're going to get him alignment.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's. That's a little playing scared. I don't know if I like that. No, I. Yeah. All right. If It's Eagles at 23, what's Howie doing? He wasn't able to make a trade earlier, so what's he doing at 23?

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, the right answer is probably trading back, but they also, the Eagles trade up sometimes. I think the Eagles are going to get a pass rusher here. I don't know. I think the Eagles. I'm going to go ahead and give them.

[Danny Kelly]

Give him a guy like Zion Young or

[Danny Heifetz]

Thomas.

[Danny Kelly]

Our Mason Thomas. Yeah. Explosive guy, high, high energy. I like that. He's just a little bit undersized, but I don't think that's. I don't think that's like a deal breaker necessarily. I could see them liking a guy like. Well, they have. They're pretty solid at defensive tackle, but

[Danny Heifetz]

yeah, unless they trade Jalen Carter.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

They've done. They've been rumored.

[Danny Kelly]

So who are you liking?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm gonna go with. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Mason Thomas at Oklahoma. I'll be honest, I don't know if that makes sense for them. Totally. As A fit. But I do think the Eagles go want a pass rusher. They usually go premium position or trade back and this. Honestly, they probably would trade back in this situation. But I don't know who's going to trade up right now. But I think that the Eagles, they really are kind of the cupboards bear at the defensive end. Like when they won the super bowl, they were just. They had seven guys that were like rotating in. They've lost all of them. You know what I mean? I mean, they have. They thought they were going to get Jalen Phillips back. He went to Carolina. You know what I mean? The Eagles, I mean, Jalen Carter has been rumored and traded at this point that I'm kind of like a little curious. But if you look at the Eagles depth chart, I mean.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, why would they trade Jalen Carter? They think they've extracted all the value out of him and he's only going to. He's not a Long term.

[Danny Kelly]

It's got to be like knucklehead something.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like if you're willing to trade Jalen Carter, if the Eagles are making calls about Jalen Carter, you probably don't want to trade for it.

[Danny Heifetz]

What do you know?

[Craig Krolbek]

Exactly.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's. It's concerning.

[Danny Kelly]

There's. There are some similarities with Nolan Smith and our Mason Thomas. So I can kind of see this stylistically.

[Craig Krolbek]

So his name is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can I. Can I tweak this? I figured what's gonna happen. They're not gonna pick here. I'm gonna do.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's trading again.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Dolphin. Yes. The Dolphins are going to trade up with the Eagles. The Dolphins are going to give two third round picks. They're going to move up seven spots and they're going to go ahead and they're going to take like.

[Craig Krolbek]

Because the Dolphins have like four third round picks.

[Danny Heifetz]

They have four third round picks, and I think they trade up and I think Miami goes ahead and they take one of the offensive tackles left. I think maybe they get. Wait, is Kaden Proctor got. Yeah, Loma went. Yeah. So there's an offensive tackle run happening and I think the last offensive tackle left. Dk. And correct me if I'm wrong, that's really a tackle. Is Max A. And Etch or from Arizona State.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm sorry, That's a. That's a smart one. I kind of like that one. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

If the Dolphins don't get a tackle there, there's no tackle in the range. And I think the Dolphins going in, building the trenches. I Think it just makes sense. And then you have a second and you still have 2/3 to go up. Receiver.

[Danny Kelly]

I like that. Actually, it's one of those things where you might not have to trade back, you might not have to trade up for him. But like you said, if there's a run on tackles happening, you get itchy and you move up.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes, someone will.

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah, because he's. He's more, I think of. He. He's sort of considered that first, second round turn type of player, you know, might be a second round or might be a. Might be a late, late first. He's very new to football. He's only played for a couple of years. In fact, he didn't play high school football. He was a soccer, I think in basketball, you know.

[Craig Krolbek]

Oh, he played. What do you play in high school?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, tackle. Makes sense. Meat and potatoes for the, for the Dolphins. Wait, who did they take with their first one? They took a guard, so man guard and attack tackle.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I know this is. And you're like, well, who's the receiver? I'm like, well, kind of like one was signed. DeAndre Hopkins. And that's a start that should know. You know what I mean? I just think building it. No one's gonna be upset if The Dolphins take two offline in the first round.

[Danny Kelly]

That's fair.

[Craig Krolbek]

Browns. Browns on the clock. Their second pick. They already had the sixth pick in the draft. They took David Bailey, DK. What are they doing at 24?

[Danny Kelly]

This is one where they could go receiver and try and build out that receiver group, which is pretty bad right now. Jerry Judy, they gave all that money to. And he stinks. Cedric Tillman I think has talent, but he was hurt last year. He hurt part of the year last year. Isaiah Bond ended up not doing anything. I think receiver is kind of who I'm looking at right here to help. Help out whoever they have playing quarterback. Let's see the. The high. My highest ranked receiver on the board right now is Casey Concepcion from Texas A M, who I love. And he, I think would be a good long term replacement for Jerry Judy as like a Z type receiver. A guy could play outside, could play inside. Explosive runoff to catch talent, great body control. He has some drops on tape, but he also has incredible catches. So I think it's more of just a concentration type deal with him. And I think he could be a big time playmaker in the NFL. So I'm going with Casey Concepcion.

[Craig Krolbek]

Imagine. Imagine being a prospect in the, in the 2026 NFL Draft and you're projected to go late in the first round, and maybe you wanted to go in the early first round, but then your friends and family are like, you know what? At the very least, at least you're going to a good team. And you're like, that's true. And then at the 24th pick, you get selected by the Cleveland Browns.

[Danny Heifetz]

That actually. It must be heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, 25th pick here, Chicago Bears, who had an interesting free agency, lost a lot of guys, kind of a decent amount of turnover in Chicago. Heifetz. What are they doing at 25?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think they're gonna go. I think in this situation, they would. They would go defensive tackle. I think the Bears probably would go safety. They lost the Chaquang Brisker. They lost Kevin. They lost Chauncey Gardner, Johnson. But all there was a safety run. They kind of missed it.

[Danny Kelly]

They signed Kobe Bryant from Seattle, which kind of helps out.

[Danny Heifetz]

They signed Kobe Bryant, which helps. They also signed.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, not the guy on the Lakers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jesus, I'll never move that one down. I think the Bears could flip this pick for Max Crosby, but I don't know if the Raiders want to wait. I think it's. At this point, the Raiders carry it into August and try to get first in 2027. So I don't. I think. I wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders trade back into this pick, but I think. I think what the Bears do here, because the safeties are gone, it's good. Defensive tackle Caden McDonald at Ohio State. I am flipping on DK's board. DK. Is Peter woods at 21st on his board? I do think NFL teams might be considered. Peter woods played way better two seasons ago than last season. And I think. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

He's got short arms. He was not. He did not put up good numbers athletically, I don't think.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think there's questions about Peter woods is whatever. That for whatever reason, teams might just not want to. No one wants to stake their name to him in the first round because they're worried for whatever reason. And I can't put my finger on it, but I know.

[Danny Kelly]

I think that's probably Donald true.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Bears have no trench presence. They have nothing in the middle of the defensive line. They're so old in the middle of the defensive line and too old. It's too old. And Kaden McDonald I don't think is going to be an all pro defensive tackle, but he will be average or above average.

[Danny Kelly]

And he's a shit kicker on the inside. He just Absolutely. Stuffs the run.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's. And that's exactly what Chicago needs. They need the giant guy in the middle who's young. And I. I think that's exactly what Chicago needs.

[Craig Krolbek]

DK 26th pick, Buffalo Bills. Ooh.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, so the Bills. What are the. What are the Bills biggest need hyphens? You're working on the team needs right now for the NFL draft guide. What do you see as kind of like the biggest needs? They signed Bradley Chubb as rusher in the office.

[Danny Heifetz]

They need edge rusher because if you look at the bill. So they signed again. They traded four. They traded DJ Moore. They traded for DJ Moore. They traded the second router, which, as Craig keeps reminding us correctly, it was like the 60th pick. So the Buffalo has the picks 26. They don't pick again until 91. And you. This is a team that needs to win a Super bowl and fired Sean McDermott because he couldn't win a Super Bowl. So the offense, they've invested a ton of the offensive line. They brought back Conor McGovern. I think the offensive line's okay. They edge rusher is huge. Like, it lost in that drive. The Bills Broncos game where they lost was that Joey Bosa really played terribly in that game. The Bills keep bringing in these, like, aging mercenary edge rushers that are kind of, like, flawed and like, they're getting pretty old at that spot for a team that wants to win a Super bowl. They don't really have the stable of edge rushing talent that you want. They have Gregory, so. But after that, it's like Bradley Chubb they brought in from Miami, Bradley Chubbs, the epitome of the aging mercenary guy who's available in cheap because he's always hurt. And they need youth to balance out the Vaughn. They tried Von Miller. They tried Joey Bosan. They tried Bradley Chubb. You can't just depend on aging injured defensive ends that were good five years ago. So I think they have to go edge rusher here.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Yeah. And this is an interesting spot. The. The. When I think about the Bills and their pass rushers that they've drafted over the last, like, decade, it's always these big, long, kind of slow guys.

[Craig Krolbek]

Gregory.

[Danny Kelly]

Gregory Rousseau comes to mind. Obviously. He's, like, athletic, but he's really big, sort of a power rusher. Now they got Bradley Chubb, another power rusher. And so I kind of want to go, like, a different direction, give them a little bit different flavor. I'm gonna go Cash's howl. I. I think he's probably been beaten up enough in. In this sort of process with the arm length thing, and that's definitely a concern. He's definitely an outlier, but he's still really productive, really explosive, really disruptive off the edge, and I think that's exactly the type of player they need. Maybe he's not going to be. Maybe the arm length will be a slight issue in the pros, but again, it's. It's the same as Ruben Bane. Like, when he's rushing out there, you don't really notice it because he's so explosive. So I'm gonna go with Cash Howell. And even though he has really, really short arms, I think this is still the range. You can take him and feel okay about it.

[Craig Krolbek]

Okay, that brings us to 27 with San Francisco here, who are we with George Kittle tearing his Achilles? Are we in Kenya and Zadiq range?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, 100. You know who I'm changing. My. My comp for him is. Is Vernon Davis.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think. I think Kenyan sneak is exactly the Niners would take here, and I'm gonna give it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because I.

[Danny Kelly]

Damn it.

[Danny Heifetz]

They went older receiver, they went Mike Evans and they went Christian Kirk at receiver. They have Ricky Paris souls young. But I agree George Kittle not replacing him. But I mean, George Kittle is towards Achilles, but he is 31. He's 32. Turns 33 this season. I think Kenyon's Deak. This is where he goes Niners, I think this is.

[Danny Kelly]

That's like his floor. In fact, he's probably not going to fall as far as I think he

[Danny Heifetz]

might because he just look at the position. Like, think about how many tackles we have at this spot. Like we have. If you're counting Spencer Fano as a tackle, you got Maui Noah, you got Spencer Fano, you got Monroe Freeling, you've got Caleb, Lomu, Proctor and Max. So there's like six, seven guys. Maybe you can't get a tackle that can start in the third round, or at least you don't want to bank on it. You can get a tight end that can start for you. And I just think teams look at it that way. You know what I mean?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I think Daniel Jeremiah. Sorry, DJ Kind of threw this out there, and he. He likes to throw out little nuggets that he's hearing. And I think Kenyon Siddiq was a big follower in his latest mock draft, which is usually what he's hearing. So there. I think there is a chance that Sadiq kind of in that late first round area versus high end first round. So I got the Texans next.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's right. 28th pick Texans.

[Danny Kelly]

Texans have a good roster man. They offensive line is always a big deal for them. They, they keep trading away their offensive linemen.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well and looking at your big board, I mean hi vis you you trading up for Detroit earlier to get Monroe Freeling made a lot of sense because the offensive linemen disappear quickly. And looking at the rest of DK's big board, there are literally no more offensive line or one more offensive offensive lineman on your big board.

[Danny Kelly]

We got so offensive tackle in particular. I think the next guy on my board would be a Blake Miller, Clemson, who some people think he might be a first rounder. He's one of those. He's one of those guys who the tape isn't like elite but everybody, everything you hear about him, he's just absolute, you know, blue chip type guy from a football character point of view. You know what I mean? Like just an absolute badass. Works his ass off place through injuries. He has a ton of experience. I think there's a chance this is the pick here for the Texans because of all those intangible type things. And he's not like a bad offensive tackle. I think he's you know, maybe a little bit slow footed at times. He has a little bit of issues sometimes with with speed off the edge. But he's just like such a stalwart type of offensive lineman and that does matter in the pros because these guys have to play through injuries all the time. So I think that's an option here. Even though it looks like a pretty big reach. What else are we looking at here? Because they have. They're pretty set in the secondary I

[Danny Heifetz]

think offensive line, I mean there's some places that could go defense. I think the number one thing is can they help them win the season. I think the Texans have to go for a Super bowl. Like they're going to give Stroud an extension this year next and they are at the end of that rookie contract window. The defense is elite. The defense can win a Super Kyle Shannon don't take my word for Kyle Shannon said said the day of the super bowl on television. The two defenses he thought could win a Super bowl on their own if the offense didn't screw it up were Seattle and Houston and CG Strat screwed it up. The Texans run it back. They hope they're healthy and they go for it. The offensive line's the only they need

[Danny Kelly]

to be able to win the ball.

[Danny Heifetz]

The other if there's no alignment that could start this year. They might not do it.

[Danny Kelly]

So they did. They did trade for or sorry. They did sign Braden Smith to be their right tackle.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So they could go interior. Offensive line here wouldn't be that big of a shock. The other guy that I like is Emmanuel Pregnon from Oregon who could play

[Danny Heifetz]

this year if they had and he's

[Danny Kelly]

like a plug and play starter to me. Even though he has like a lower ceiling. I think I'll go pregnant. I'm sure I'm saying that wrong. Pregnant from Oregon, Emmanuel pregnant.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hey again, it's best player available. Kind of a myth sometimes it's like sometimes they just take exactly they need and yeah, I think that. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

So now 29th pick with the Chiefs. I see a lot of cornerbacks who have fallen and the Chiefs just let two cornerbacks go.

[Danny Heifetz]

I completely agree. So the Chiefs brought some quarterbacks in, but I think this is where DK it's always weird to project a guy who's hurt, but I think this is. There's two cornerbacks from Tennessee that are the next guys left. It's Jermad McCoy who's the best may probably the best cornerback in this draft if he was healthy. But he tore his own December, didn't go to the we went to the combine, didn't play last season, then didn't work out at the combine. If he does his pro day like it's. It's probably fine but like it's a little weird but maybe he could rehab with my homes off his acl. But it's that then he kind of got frame mocked by Colton Hood who's the cornerback of Tennessee.

[Craig Krolbek]

Well, wait, hold on here. Avion Terrell is still on the board

[Danny Kelly]

from Clemson and he kind of reminds me of the the dude they just traded to the Rams whose name is escaping me.

[Danny Heifetz]

I won't lie. Oh, oh the Trump Jalen. I won't lie. Chiefs will totally. Yeah. Avian Terrell with the Chiefs. That is exactly what would happen.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he can play outside, he can play inside for them. He's awesome as a blitzer. He's a high intensity type of player. I think opinions on him are kind of all over the place, but I really like Avion Terrell.

[Craig Krolbek]

So now that gives the Chiefs Spencer Fano at the ninth pick and Avion Terrell the corner at 29. And now we have what would have been the Eagles pick is. Oh no, it was Miami. Now it's the Eagles after this trade. So the Eagles are now sitting at

[Danny Kelly]

at 30 there's one glaring guy here on the board that I'm like, I don't think he's gonna fall this far, and that's Denzel Boston, the receiver out of Washington.

[Craig Krolbek]

Love him.

[Danny Kelly]

And it makes sense for the Eagles

[Danny Heifetz]

if they ultimately end up trading Brown and then they.

[Danny Kelly]

A.J.

[Craig Krolbek]

brown.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, Eagles also, they highly value receiver. I mean, they constantly spent on them. Yeah, they spent. They spend up on those. Those. That position. They are also, by the way, just kind of churning the number three receiver spot over the last few years, trying to sign like former first round guys that kind of didn't work out. John Dotson is the first one that comes to mind, but they, they kind of continue to churn that spot. And this could be at the very least a good number three receiver in the short term that turns into the number 2/1A, 1B with Devonte Smith long term. So I like, I like this for the Eagles.

[Craig Krolbek]

I would, I would be bummed if they got Denzel Boston. I think he's great. Yeah, I really like him. Crazy agility for his size.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk, do you think the Eagles will take Denzel Boston over like Zion. You have Zion Young from Missouri and edge rusher still there. I know that that's a little bit of a reach, but it's an edge rusher. And part of me, I guess, Denzel, you have Denzel Boston, 24th in your board. You have Zion Young at 42nd. But part of me's like, yeah, the Eagles, they need pass rushers.

[Danny Kelly]

But you're right, the Eagles also are a team I'm looking at for like the Clemson guys, Peter woods, just because of, you know, they're falling and just grab the value. Right? Exactly.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Because it's Peter what's gonna fall out of the first round. I guess it's possible. It's possible. He was the number one player on some people's boards coming into the season. The number one player and he's definitely fallen off.

[Danny Heifetz]

Really? Howie Roseman move like we're just gonna stack Peter Woods. You know what? You want to give the Eagles Peter woods and they're just gonna stack.

[Danny Kelly]

I want to give him. I want Denzel Boston to be okay. But I am a little dubious that Peter woods is going to fall out of the first round because they lost

[Danny Heifetz]

Johan Dawson, who's like their other kind of X receiver. They signed Marquis Brown, but the Eagles don't really have an ex, like big receiver. Other if they trade A.J. brown, the Eagles don't really have a guy and the ex is probably kind of back this year.

[Craig Krolbek]

So if. If the Eagles didn't take Denzel Boston, would you have given him to the Patriots with the next pick?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Oh, you're not asking me, but yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

No. Yeah. Either of you. I think it's more fun to give Peter woods to the Eagles and Denzel Boston to the Patriots, and that is the point of the month.

[Danny Kelly]

If you. Yeah, if. If all we're doing is roster baiting here, fine.

[Craig Krolbek]

I'm.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm okay with that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm okay. The Eagles taking defensive tackles, I think they're a huge value and I think. I agree. Peter woods is as good as people thought he was last year. That is very Howie Roseman thing. So it. Let's just give. Yeah, let's.

[Danny Kelly]

He's. Peter woods is one of those guys. This is like expression you hear is like he's got beaten up enough. You know what I mean? Where.

[Craig Krolbek]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

People. He. He's fallen far enough at this point. He's still a really twitchy, explosive interior defensive tackle who can create disruption on the inside. He has shorter arms. I think that's an issue for him. And the production fell off this last season, so people are a little bit scared of him, but he's still. He's still a twitchy, explosive interior alignment.

[Craig Krolbek]

And now at 31, if you give New England Denzel Boston and now their wide receiver group rounds out a little bit because now it's like Denzel Boston is this big outside deep threat type. You have Romeo Dobbs, who can do a little bit of everything you have. You have Keisha Booty, who in a compliment role now looks pretty nice. Now it's kind of not bad with the three of those guys.

[Danny Kelly]

Kyle Williams is potentially still Demario Douglas.

[Danny Heifetz]

So we're giving Peter woods to the Eagles at 30, and then the Patriots could take Denzel Boston is what we're saying.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. You don't think so?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, my concern is so variable. I think wants big people in the first round. Unless it's an A.J.

[Craig Krolbek]

brown, Denzel Washington. Denzel Boston's huge.

[Danny Kelly]

Austin's big.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, no, but I meant big play, big positions. And Elliot Wolf, who's the G. What's the GM for the Patriots? Not really. He's like kind of cool. I don't know. He's like a 1B assistant, but his father, Ron Wolf. I just. I don't know if they're the team that would take a first round receiver right now. Especially.

[Danny Kelly]

Who is the big guy that you like in this spot, though?

[Danny Heifetz]

So Caleb Banks out Of Florida is weird because he's a good defensive tackle, but he missed all but, what, three games of the footage.

[Danny Kelly]

Then he, like, he broke his foot at the combine. I don't think he's gonna be a first player anymore. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then if Peter was gone, part of me's like, man, I'm looking at your mod. But Jermond McCoy, the Tennessee cornerback's still there, and I'm like, the way Mike Vrabel wants to play defense, if you had Christian GONZALEZ and Jermyn McCoy is still there if he recovers from the injury. If you can have two guys that could actually play man coverage, I think Jamad McCoy is the guy that would go like, we still have. I think the Patriots would. How many teams have two cornerbacks that can actually man up with almost anybody in the league? Like, nobody?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, teams do that.

[Danny Heifetz]

That is a tremendous schematic advantage that I think. Think. I don't think the Patriots have. I think they'd rather have a man cover corner than a. Like, an extra sacrificial exercise.

[Craig Krolbek]

Kind of have decent corners, though. Marcus Jones is a good nickel. They have Carlton Davis and Christian Gonzalez.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, but Carlton Davis was making plays in the playoffs because he was getting targeted. Like, sometimes you hear quarterbacks name a lot because of throwing, because the defense thinks, the offense thinks they have an advantage. Carlton Davis was signed in free agency, but he's also how old like, Carlton Davis? 30, 29? Those guys. I don't know. At the end of the day, it's this simple talent. Jermod McCoy never tore his ACL. Is he a top eight pick?

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe top 15.

[Danny Heifetz]

Top 15. You see? Maybe the number one quarterback in this draft. If he was healthy.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, but he's not healthy. I mean, he's like. Yeah, I think. Can we just go with what Craig said to make it simpler?

[Craig Krolbek]

No, no, no. I'm not the drafter here. I'm not the gm. I'm the media.

[Danny Kelly]

I changed my pick because I thought that's what we were doing fine. I was told there would be no math. I think we should do Peter Woodson pick.

[Craig Krolbek]

What do you want? I don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't think the Patriots would take Denzel Boston or Jamal McCoy. I just don't.

[Craig Krolbek]

All right, Jermaine McCoy, the cornerback. That leaves DK Seattle Seahawks at 30.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, to your point. Okay. You have Jermon McCoy higher on your board than Denzel Boston. Just. We're saying.

[Danny Kelly]

I know, but he's injured. That. That's a huge variable.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's been Beaten up enough, as some people say.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, so this leaves me with the 32nd pick for the Seahawks, which is super fun. There's a lot of players on the board who I really like here. I think, man. Is there any way that Denzel Boston falls out of the first round? I guess that's possible.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the same as tight end. There's so many receivers that the deeper positions, the scarcity people reach for the thing that won't be there later, and then those positions fall when it's deep. It's like running back last year.

[Danny Kelly]

Like T. Higgins fell into the early part of the second round.

[Danny Heifetz]

Think about all the running backs last year that fell, quote, unquote. Because there were so many running backs, no one started the run.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So I'm gonna go with one of my favorite players in this draft. Super fun player to watch. I'm trying to think of what John Schneider would do here. I think since they signed Rashid Shahid to a bigger contract, I don't think they take a receiver, especially since they run so many two receiver sets. Anyway.

[Danny Heifetz]

What do you think about Colton Hood? Would they tackle? They lost a lot of corner.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, Colton Hood is definitely on. On the menu here just because he's a super athletic long corner. The guy who I really want the Seahawks to take is Chris Johnson from San Diego State.

[Danny Heifetz]

Really

[Craig Krolbek]

sick.

[Danny Kelly]

He's freaking awesome. And he plays. He plays an intense style of football. I think he would fit in with the Seahawks defensive backs group. They lost a couple corners. Well, they did resign Josh Job, so I don't know if they would take a corner here, but I think I feel like corner is one of those positions where you can't have too many of them.

[Danny Heifetz]

No. And it's like defensive end and quarterback. No super bowl teams ever said we have too many cornerbacks and too many defense.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. And the only other thing. So I'm gonna give him Chris Johnson. But the only other positions here, which I'm kind of considering strongly are edge players are our Mason Thomas, I think is. Is in consideration here. Zion Young from Missouri, Gabe Yakis from Illinois and Jackets. I'm sorry if I'm saying that wrong. Derek Moore from Michigan. Those. Those guys, I think make a lot of sense for the Seahawks because just keeping that. Keeping that stable of pass rushers, you know, like full and. And have tons of guys that can rotate every. Every week. I think that was a huge part of their success last year. But it's harder to find corners. And I just think. I just think Johnson plays exactly like, they want their corners to play.

[Craig Krolbek]

I love it. It's a great consolation prize for S Issue not making March Madness is that they're going to have a player in the. In the first round.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbek]

And. And honestly, if you look at the second round, talking about Denzel Boston falling, I mean, I guess we. We. Did we give Carnell Tate to. Oh, no. The jets took Makai Lemon, but, dude, the third pick is the Titans. They could take Denzel Boston. The fourth, the Raiders, they could take Denzel Boston. And the fifth, the Giants, they could take, like, all three of those teams could take.

[Danny Kelly]

And teams are going to be calling for those three spots, too, to try and move up.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the thing. The Seahawks might move back. The Patriots might move back. Like, teams might move back.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, 100. I could see the Seahawks moving back from this spot. That's actually probably what they will do because there's so many different options that they could go with here.

[Craig Krolbek]

Do we want. Do we want to review it? Do I need to read every. All 32 picks or is that horrible podcast.

[Danny Kelly]

Put it up on the screen. People can read about it screen if

[Danny Heifetz]

you want to see it. And we'll also put. We'll post these on Instagram, too. So if you go to the Ringer Fantasy Football Instagram and you want to see the full mock draft, we'll post it. Follow us on Instagram at Ringer Fantasy football. And then why don't we just kind of recap what are the things we learned from this? My learn. My thing I learned is that I think the teams that need offensive tackles are going to have to trade up because there's going to be a run and it's like anything else where there's six, seven guys that are like, we think you could be a starter. So if the Browns want a left tackle, you're going to have to trade up. You know what I mean? What? Oh, God.

[Craig Krolbek]

DK made a 6, 7 joke.

[Danny Heifetz]

Did I got. I'm a little worried that it's a mind virus that's in my head.

[Craig Krolbek]

I know it does come up way more than it should, but DK's acknowledgment of it was the problem. Not that you said it. No, I shook my head in disdain.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Wild.

[Danny Kelly]

I'll never do it again.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right. What did you learn doing this?

[Danny Kelly]

I think you're right, though. I think there's probably going to be a run on offensive lineman just because there's so few, you know, plug and play offensive tackles. I think we could see because of the depth of the receiver position. That's another one where you could see guys who are like locks and quote unquote, first round locks maybe fall into the early part of the second. That tends to happen. And then the Kenyan Sadiq thing falling. Would not, not be surprised to see him fall. And then I just don't know what to make of Jamad McCoy and how early he's gonna go.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because the hardest part of doing draft analysis, I think, is trying to figure out where an injury your guy's gonna go. Because, like, half the teams, it's like the Max Crosby thing, but like, half the teams in the NFL might not be like, yeah, we passed the NFL. We passed his knee. And then some teams might not pass his knee. So it's like literally, doctors disagree on this. So it's impossible to know who's gonna

[Danny Kelly]

go and I don't know where. I don't know where Peter woods is gonna go. That is the. That is a big question in my mind as we did this mock draft, is how far is he gonna fall or is he gonna fall at all? You know, because some teams might just look at what he did in 2024 and be like, we're going to take that guy. And then some teams will be like,

[Danny Heifetz]

you know, defensive tackles need it. And look at Seattle. They took by. They took Byron Murphy.

[Craig Krolbek]

Draft's over.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like, my night's over. Let's go get drunk.

[Craig Krolbek]

That was really fun.

[Danny Kelly]

That was great. What?

[Craig Krolbek]

Playing the music or the backdrop with my gavel. I felt great. So good, so good, so good.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

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[Craig Krolbek]

That's why you rack.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Craig Krolbek]

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[Danny Heifetz]

You can add protein cold foam to your favorite drink or try one of our new protein lattes or matcha. Try it today at Starbucks. All right. Well, Craig, since you're hosting, I have this email here and since you. You've been the talk.

[Craig Krolbek]

You want me to read the email?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I do. You said last episode you're talking about how being a Warriors fan stressful and I'm sure you Enraged thousands of people. And then you were like. But, well, not like being Warriors. You're watching the game anyway, so, Alex, send us an email if you've had

[Craig Krolbek]

a good team, you know what I mean? All right. Alex says for breakfast, a fiat yogurt with honey on the side and a double espresso. That's. That's a sexy breakfast, right?

[Danny Kelly]

That's like my. That's like, when I do eat breakfast, that's what I'm going for.

[Craig Krolbek]

It sounds really good. All right. Alex says, as you guys mentioned on the show on Monday, stress is a big part of rooting for your team. There is a professor from Murray State named Daniel Wan, and he has published a number of works over the years on the psychology of sports fandom. He identified eight different fan motives. Most are straightforward, like group affiliation and entertainment. But my favorite one is. Is eustress or euphoric stress. Interesting. In other words, the emotional roller coaster of watching sports and the absolute elation one feels when your team wins is a core motive of sports fandom. So when Craig says he and his buddies freak out when the warriors are down 16, that stress is completely offset by the absolute joy when they complete the comeback and win championships. And that joy bonds him more to his team, his friends, and sports in general. So being stressed about sports is fun, right? This all comes from a Jets fan. So the eustress I felt was in 2010. Euphoric stress.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So you're chasing that. It's like you're chasing that high.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So it's bdsm. Sports stress is bdsm. It's like really painful. And then there's like.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, it's like, you need to slap me.

[Danny Kelly]

Pain. It. Pain is pleasure.

[Craig Krolbek]

I mean, they're very close to one another.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Isn't that the whole thing? Is there like the. A little overlap in the brain?

[Danny Kelly]

We used to do 50 Shades of Gray, you guys. Maybe we should bring that back.

[Craig Krolbek]

Like when you have like something very hot, spicy, hot sauce, like, that feeling is like pain, but it's also kind of euphoric. Right. It's kind of an out of body experience.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like a spicy thing. There's certain.

[Craig Krolbek]

You crave it.

[Danny Heifetz]

It.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. Yes. It becomes addictive. Hurts so good.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the point. Oh, I did. I was just learning the other day.

[Danny Kelly]

It hurts so good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Someone was posting on Blue sky the other day. I think Spencer hall was talking about there's some guy who sells a hot sauce called Pucker Butt.

[Danny Kelly]

Pucker Butt.

[Danny Heifetz]

I thought it was made up, but it's real. Like, I just assumed Pucker Butt wasn't real, but there's a Pucker Butt Pepper Company. And the point was, if our hot sauce doesn't make your butt pucker, then it's not Pucker Butt.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that. That's. That is a visual. A visual description.

[Danny Heifetz]

That. That's not me. That's the owner of. Of. Of Pucker Butt. Hotsoft said that.

[Craig Krolbek]

Pucker Butt. I can't imagine what the logo is.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's.

[Danny Kelly]

Should I Google it? Is it safe?

[Danny Heifetz]

Pepper X. World's hottest pepper. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I assume they're Pucker Butt Pepper Company. It's just a. Well, their logo is like a flame, but it is kind of in a circle, which. Which sort of sends your mind to a certain body part.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I don't know if they even. I think Puckerbutt is the logo, but, yeah, we're onto something here about, like, sports are painful. That's the point.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I almost forgot this was the whole point. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Craig Krolbek]

Before we go, we do have one other thing to hit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, God.

[Craig Krolbek]

Dk. Please join me and everyone at home. Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Danny keeps singing. Happy birthday dear

[Danny Kelly]

Happy birthday to you

[Craig Krolbek]

Drink whiskey and rum Go out and have fun. Get plastered, you bastard.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know this one.

[Danny Heifetz]

I really thought I was gonna get away with it.

[Danny Kelly]

Hi, Fitz. You think we forgot?

[Craig Krolbek]

Come on, the big three one. Dude. Come on. 30 was a gimmick. Now you're really in your 30s.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You're one knee deep in it.

[Craig Krolbek]

31.

[Danny Heifetz]

30s. No, 31 is. I'm in my 30s now. I. I felt 30 for a long time. 31. It's the first time I said it out loud. Wow. Everyone who's 23 is, like, you feeling

[Craig Krolbek]

some euphoric stress right now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Stress. Wow. 31. You know that moment I've never. I just said the age out loud for the first time. I'm 31. I don't like how I try that on. It's fine. I actually feel like I'm. Oh, I'm an adult now. You know why?

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's my birthday. D.C. this morning, 26 degrees, got up at 7 and went to the gym.

[Danny Kelly]

Look at you.

[Danny Heifetz]

And you know what? I don't know if past years, on my birthday when it was 26 degrees, I would have gone to the gym. And you know what? I was there and I was like, I guess this is 31.

[Danny Kelly]

You've turned over a new leap this is 31 birthday.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm like, eggs, make me the eggs the good way.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you have any goals in your 31st year? Or I guess it's your year when you're 31, because technically it would be like your 32nd year. I don't know. Earnestly, I think, because you're zero for a year, you know, Are we doing the.

[Danny Heifetz]

The. Are we doing serious guy stuff? Are we deflecting?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I do serious guy stuff.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm telling you. My motto is just take care of your heart, you know?

[Craig Krolbek]

You mean literally or spiritually?

[Danny Heifetz]

Both. Spiritual nourishment, actually. Like. Like, just. I actually want, like, cardio stuff. Just get, like, stronger muscles as. All this research about, like, you need muscles as you get older, but also just like, take care of my heart. I'm like 31. I'm like, yeah, that's about time.

[Danny Kelly]

Mind.

[Craig Krolbek]

I think cardio, really, as good as it is for your heart, it's also equally beneficial to your brain. It just feels so good.

[Danny Kelly]

The runner's high is a real thing.

[Craig Krolbek]

Dude, you know what sucks? I. I got injured last week and I can't run, and it's been a huge problem. I got turf toe, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, and it just sucks.

[Craig Krolbek]

I think it. I. I'm 99, sure. I have turf toe, dude. It is one of the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Rename it.

[Craig Krolbek]

I. I gotta rename it severed foot. I have a torn ligament in my foot.

[Danny Heifetz]

Foot. Severed ligament, foot.

[Craig Krolbek]

It is one of the more debilitating, painful injuries to have because there's nothing I can do. I walk with a limp. I can't run.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I, like, can't play basketball.

[Craig Krolbek]

No, not at all. I mean, I. I can barely walk like a mile.

[Danny Heifetz]

We finally know what turf toe was after six years, which is. There's basically. I think it's. There's three ligament or three tendons in your foot, and turf toe is tearing one of them. So it's really like you tore one third of the things that make your foot work.

[Craig Krolbek]

And I think I have a grade two or three strain and it says like four to six weeks of recovery. And I'm. I'm.

[Danny Kelly]

You just have to rest.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're just slow running. Literally and figuratively. The injuries actual NFL players have because I pulled my hamstring and all the whimsical sounding. One pull my hamstring. You tore your leg. You.

[Craig Krolbek]

You pour your hamstring. You pulled your hamstring badly. I mean, it was bruised.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was bruised. It was the four to eight weeks. It was like the it was the middle of September, and they were like. If you. They're like, you, in theory, could get back to stuff by Halloween, but, bruh, if you retard this thing, you don't.

[Danny Kelly]

Bruh.

[Danny Heifetz]

They're like, thanks, bruh, but I was. Yeah, but wow. Sorry about your foot, Craig, but, yeah, no, it's. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

That sucks, man.

[Craig Krolbek]

I think I'm going to try to start swimming just because it's the only

[Danny Kelly]

thing I can do. Oh, we go. I will say hiit. It's good that you're getting into this stuff early, you know what I mean? Like 31 that you're. That year. You got so much time to, like, worry about your heart.

[Danny Heifetz]

I had my heart in the first half, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's great that you're doing this. I. I will say, as I've turned, I'm 30. I'm 43 now. I've gotten into running in the last year, which I never thought I would do. I thought running is the stupidest sport. It's painful. It sucks. I don't understand why people do this.

[Craig Krolbek]

It's boring.

[Danny Kelly]

And now I, like, love it. It's so funny how that happens. As you get older in life, you start to, like, do things that you used to, like, you tried to. We're so stupid without music. What's that?

[Craig Krolbek]

Raw Dog, Your run.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I haven't done it without music yet. I mean, I have done that before.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you remember us talking about this, Craig? DK didn't know. Yeah, but you remember when I said run with that music? You thought I was crazy.

[Craig Krolbek]

And then all the time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Forgot your headphones one day.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, I do it all the time.

[Danny Heifetz]

You just leave. I thought. My friend Mike told me. He's a huge runner. Told me this by my friend Mike, who never listens to the show. One time I told him Tate Frazier came on. He was like, oh, sick. And then he turned it on. He's a huge runner. And he told me, and it really is true. You kind of leave your thoughts and anxieties behind. Like, you just think about them. And they say meditation is. Or the way you might. One way you might want to meditate is it's kind of like picturing you're sitting at a river and there's all these, like, lily pads floating. And your thoughts, you think, and then they just float away. And they're on the little lily pads. They're going away. Running is like if the river is a road and you're the one moving, like you were leaving behind all These anxieties. And it's. It. It is incredible how much it is body over mind to a degree. Like, we're kind of just like Wilderbeast. You have anxieties, you have cortisol, and you do have fight orf flight. And you need to either run or box. Like, at the end of the day, you need to find something to do.

[Danny Kelly]

There's something to movement that is so important.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

For our physiology or whatever. I don't. I. I don't have, like, the actual definition of it, but moving around and moving your body, whether you're walking, running, cycling, swimming, or whatever, your body just gets all up when you're not moving around. Man, it's crazy.

[Craig Krolbek]

I watched this fascinating video about how your brain relaxes and how it's kind of a misnomer that, you know, you go to the beach and you sit in a chair and you stare at the ocean, and that's supposed to be relaxing, and it's actually kind of not. Like, you sit down, you stare at the water, and then kind of 15 minutes in, you're like, I'm bored. I guess I'll look at my phone. I need to read a book. I need to do something. And it was. It was basically about how doing something passive. Doing one task passively is kind of the best way for your brain to relax. Because when your brain has to think of 10 different things at once, that is stress. But when your brain can just focus on one thing, it allows it to relax. And that's why I think I like cooking or baking or running. Doing one thing allows your brain to completely decompress, and then the rest of it can be kind of like the river just kind of flowing in and out. If you focus on one thing, it's actually a lot easier to do that than to just, like, sit and stare at something. That's actually not that relaxing. Doing one thing is kind of relaxing.

[Danny Kelly]

Totally agree. Totally agree. When I'm stressed doing something and, you know, even just listening to a podcast where you feel like you're accomplish. You're multitasking, you're accomplishing more than one thing, it, like, de stresses me because I'm both accomplishing something and then putting my body to, like, work or whatever,

[Danny Heifetz]

you're saying everybody should turn on the podcast, even ag. So you'll just put it on. Put the show.

[Danny Kelly]

Absolutely.

[Danny Heifetz]

Netflix. Just let it play. It's really what you're saying?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Big time.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's real, though. Like, I. It's your point about running, because I actually think this is worth it. And if anyone listening. I'm sure a lot of people listening, are one better at working on doing this health stuff than me. But also some people like. And everyone at some point has probably felt that they want to up their level. And dk, I think your story is interesting because it reminds me of what I'm trying to do this year, which is you started walking during the pandemic, right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And you didn't really make time to work out. And then you kind of became a father, and then you were like, I. You kind of had that moment. Right. And so you started walking and you would listen to audiobooks. And I think we used to joke that, like, whether you can say that

[Danny Kelly]

is reading, whether you count. Whether that counts as reading a book.

[Craig Krolbek]

If you.

[Danny Kelly]

Doesn't I consumed that book.

[Craig Krolbek]

You listened to the book.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sure. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm aware of what happens in the book.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I get why people.

[Craig Krolbek]

If you read the plot of a movie. Did you watch the movie?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but I heard every word in the book.

[Danny Heifetz]

Look, I'm not weighing in, but I think it's interesting because I feel like as you get older, you realize cliches or cliches for a reason.

[Craig Krolbek]

Totally.

[Danny Heifetz]

You literally walk before you run. And Dicky. Literally, it's about carving out the space in your day, every day. And you carved out. It took you, like, what, five years to carve out the space where you're like, I'm gonna walk every day and I'm not gonna miss it. And that point where it's hard to start. So eventually, like, you get to the. It's like, this is how Jason Tatum described shooting basketball. He's like, I don't practice till you make it. You practice. You can't miss. You start, and it's hard to. To get. Go on a walk two hours. Are you kidding me? And then you get to the point where you're like, I'm not going to miss this.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then you started running. And that's actually what I'm trying to do with going to the gym is my actual goal of being honest with 31 is getting the point where I just would never miss that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's honestly all I want out of this year. So that's what. When I say it, that's what I mean is I want to get to the point where in the habits, I actually love it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah. Not to get too earnest, but it. It's. There's something empowering about finding a rhythm and getting into a routine of working out and making it a big part of your. Your daily life, even though it's. You're like, we're busy, we're. It's. Work is stressful, life is stressful. Having a kid is constant logistics. But carving out time to work out every day or not every day, but like three or four or five times a week, there's something so empowering. It's like, oh, I can actually do that. I can. I. For. Because for a long time in, like, I would say my late 30s and into the pandemic, I gained like 20 pounds because I was just sitting around and not doing anything. And I was like, man, so is this just the trajectory I'm on for the rest of my life? I can't do anything about this. I'm just going to be continually getting in worse shape and then figuring out a way to reverse that. And I lost like £30 walking and work and starting to work out and all this stuff. And it's like, damn, I can actually fucking do this. I know that this is like overly earnest, but it's like, like crazy when you realize you can actually do something about it.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's funny, but like, it matters. You've been working. I forget when you started going to like you. You have that workouts you do each week or the specific ones. I forget.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I work out with my buddy Adam, like three to four times a week.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you used to offer to move it for our recordings and now you don't, which I still respect. No, but I mean it. Like, you're like, no, no, no. Like, I, you're 43. I'm like, this, this, this is. I'm not changing this. Which isn't. Which is the point though.

[Danny Kelly]

And I.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, we're getting down a different road and maybe Craig's gonna play the music on me. How long, Speaking of routine thing, how long until you guys do Your first like 5 minute scroll in the morning? Because some people, I think at this point I'm concerned for like most people under 40. I think people start their day, you grab your phone alarm and then people just are on their phone. And that's how you begin each day. And I think the biggest thing that has happened for me in terms of trying to have that morning routine and actually get everything has been delaying how long I am on my phone as long as possible.

[Craig Krolbek]

I.

[Danny Kelly]

That's. Yeah, that's a big thing.

[Craig Krolbek]

Recently, I set a limit on my phone. You can do it through Apple, like just in your settings. I set a limit for how long I can Be on my. On like TikTok, Instagram and Twitter. And it basically all three of them combined. I do less than an hour a day is my goal. So basically like 20 minutes per app which I can usually accomplish lately and I've been trying hard to do that. But the problem is is in the morning what's changed about working from home is I don't get up and scroll. I get up and check email and slack and I basically I wake up at 7:30 and I'm working at 7:35 because totally I have an email, I have two slacks, I have two work

[Danny Heifetz]

texts and I'm just west coast time bites. You totally anti sports thing is you are, you are starting behind every day

[Craig Krolbek]

because even if like in theory your day starts at 9. Like I can't just be up between 7:30 and 9 and like not and on my phone or making breakfast or doing and not looking at like the six slacks notifications I have, I can't ignore those until nine. I just can't.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I, it's. It's weird. I. I really do and I'm. Look, I'm not trying to be like I've solved this or anything. I haven't. But for me, this for what's working for me and I don't want to stop is brick. That thing is working for me. I'm trying to brick my phone and I'm like if you need to look at social media or whatever or like a slack, I'm like do it on your computer. Because the truth is you weren't designed to be addicted to your laptop. They designed it to be addicted to your phone. You're not addicted to apps, you're addicted to your phone. Scrolling. It's like 100%. I can't wait for my. I can't. Honestly, I don't think I. It's hard for me to wait for my elevator to come in my building without checking my phone. And it's like you need to hit.

[Danny Kelly]

You can't do anything. Like you said passively. You can't just sit there.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I used to have 12 cigarettes a day and now it's like I need to pick up my phone 180 times or whatever the hell you pick up.

[Craig Krolbek]

And you can feel it when this, when this thing, this Brick or whatever you use, like whatever the limiter is when, when it shuts down the apps, you realize how often you open your phone and instinctively your hand goes to

[Danny Kelly]

the idea all the time.

[Danny Heifetz]

How crazy quickly the urge passes. That is the like if you know and some people think they have ADHD or whatever you have, you weaponize it and it's like, actually that urge to look at Instagram or whatever your social media is. TikTok. Like, I've been amazed how quickly it passes. And I'm like, do I want to go upstairs, get my laptop? Like, nope, I'll look at this later.

[Craig Krolbek]

I've been trying to learn how to be comfortable in silence and not only that, but almost seek it out, where there are times where I'm like, oh, on this trip down to my car to move the car in the parking garage, that'll take five minutes. Like, I won't take my phone. And I'll just try to, like, as dumb as it sounds like, live in the moment for the five minutes where I'm going down and waiting for the elevator, getting in my car, getting back in the elevator and walking down the hallway. Like, a lot of those times I'd have my phone, I'd be like, looking at something. I'm sending a text, and it's like, I'm take five minutes and not do that. And I try to stack those up as much as I can throughout a day.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's huge.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

The, the.

[Craig Krolbek]

The.

[Danny Kelly]

It's really relatable what you said about how when you have an app limiter or whatever, it doesn't allow you to look at your apps. Like, how it's just a compulsion to open up your phone and click on Instagram or, or X or whatever it is. And then when you have those limiters or you take the apps off your phone for a certain amount of time or whatever to try and like, break that cycle, you get, you open your phone, you're like, oh, damn. Like, like, there's nothing to do here. Why am I even, like, I'm like,

[Craig Krolbek]

I guess I'll open the New York Times.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's. Dude, that's what I scroll our email account, which I love. I love getting emails from people I love. I try to respond. I know I can't respond to them. I love scrolling through our emails. And everyone who emails, ring your face. So much fun. Scroll showing the news. Scrolling, like, that's productive. And like, that's a good scroll. But I, I really. If you think of it this way, like, if you ever want to really, like, get a little nervous, if you ever look at your screen time, and I think the screen time is second only to a nude of something I don't want other people to see about me. I don't want them to see how

[Danny Kelly]

much is On a new.

[Danny Heifetz]

And if you ever do the math.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, are those out there send nudes?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, but I. This one B is. I don't want anyone. See a time I'm on my phone. Because you can convince yourself you can work from your phone, but, like, if you just. How many hours am I on this each day? And then you multiply that by 365, and you're great. It's horrible. That's like a. It's like. It's like a month, dude. It's like a month. Think about it. I know some people are like, I don't want to pay 30 bucks to get this brick. I'm like, okay, cool. Time is money. What would you pay to have another month each year? And then it's like the. It's a cliche, but it's like. It's stupid, but it's like, most billionaires would actually give you a billion dollars back for another billion seconds, right? And it's like, if you could. You're young, and you're like, oh, I'm on my phone a lot. It's like, anything that even has a 10% chance. Chance of getting you an hour back a day is, like, incalculably valuable. So, like, I don't know. It's. Now, I don't want to get lecture, but, like, that's. That's. I guess what I'm thinking about at 31 is like, I want to use my phone less. I want to move more. I want to learn to be present with my thoughts. Yeah. Like, I look alcohol, they ended up doing an Alcoholics Anonymous. Cigarettes, they ended up doing nicotine patches and all these things. And it's like, the truth is, there's going to be five or six different ways that people end up trying to use their phone list. Because spoiler. Like, the first version of us using phones, like, is not perfect, and we're all addicted to it. So I'm trying to be on my

[Danny Kelly]

phone less, trying to move more movement. I like that a lot.

[Craig Krolbek]

But even if you don't want to get brick and pay for it, the Apple, like, screen time function. Try it. Because you can set a time limit, and it. I mean, you can still open the app and you have to type in a code, and you have to tell them how much longer you want. It just adds, like, four steps to the process, and it does limit you. So I would at least try that. It's easy.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's good.

[Craig Krolbek]

But look at us, dude. The 30s, you just become so introspective in your 30s, you know, start to really re evaluate things.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, thank you, dk. Thank you to Craig. Thank you to Jackie and everyone for my birthday and all these great things. Thank you to my parents for having me. Thank you for listening. Email us from your fancy football gmail dot com. I love scrolling the email instead of scrolling my phone. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Abu. Thank you to Carlos. Thank you to everyone who makes the show, which they're amazing and incredibly patient with us as we have this long conversation. Play in our bracket challenge if it's still time, although by now we probably missed it. But join us at ESPN in either league and vote for that Mariners. The Mariners nurse. The nurse who wants to throw out the first pitch at the Mariners game. We'll keep that in the episode description. His name is Tyler Taniguchi. We're going to get him to the Mariners. First pitch.

[Danny Kelly]

I got to do that vote.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Email. Thank you, Lord.

[Craig Krolbek]

Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank you, Charlie xcx, because you were singing boom clap.

[Craig Krolbek]

I love Charlie, which, which is really og Charlie xcx.

[Danny Kelly]

Totally. I celebrate her early work especially, you know, I, I.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I will admit, as I've gotten older, I, I don't know if you feel correct. I feel like I've aged into just loving pop music. But I actually, I've always loved it, but. Yeah, but I love EDM too. And the same way our show is like, like kind of serious up front, but then becomes like this business in front.

[Danny Kelly]

Party in the back.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. The mullet. Yeah. Charlie XCX's songs are like pop music, but, like, if you stay long enough, they're like, become like boiler room sets.

[Danny Kelly]

And I don't know what that means.

[Danny Heifetz]

Edm, like a race and they're rave in the back. And I, I love that.

[Craig Krolbek]

I really respect Charlie XX and her ability to cultivate the vibe successfully.

[Danny Heifetz]

The only pop album, Brad, is a pop album that feels like, like, not underground's the wrong term, but like you could play. It's hard to have a pop album with like five songs you can play to rave. They're phenomenal.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah. She created like a, like a legitimate culture around an album.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. The rave thing is sort of one thing that I just can't understand. That's like, when I think of the differences between generations, I'm just like, I, I don't understand that.

[Danny Heifetz]

What do you mean? Your generation, the kids.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, my generation had raves, but I feel like the newer generations are way

[Danny Heifetz]

Seattle in the 90s.

[Danny Kelly]

That was grunge Baby, same shit, but it's different music. Totally different.

[Craig Krolbek]

But it's like. It's like you're in a pit and you're, like, disassociating.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, but the music is very different.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, but, like, the idea is this. And the.

[Danny Kelly]

And the vibes are very different.

[Danny Heifetz]

How different is the vibe between, like, doing Molly dress, Like, do Molly, go

[Craig Krolbek]

see Arnold Bryan, the dress. You have a problem with the wardrobe?

[Danny Kelly]

No, it's just different.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, what. What is the vibe?

[Danny Kelly]

That's the most detached from the. The younger generation. I feel that's the peak of my being. Like, I could never do this. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I get how you could listen to Chris Lake right now or, like, Fred again and be like, I don't get this, but is the vibe like, I'm going to do Molly and dance and, like.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, that. Doing drugs and listening to music isn't, like, something I'm against. I just.

[Craig Krolbek]

It.

[Danny Kelly]

The vibe at a rave is like, I could never do. I could never get into that.

[Craig Krolbek]

That's fine. I would not. I'm not a rave. Doesn't sound fun to me either. But I. I still like dancing to music at a bar.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I'm not saying that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I rave every now and then. It's pretty great.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I'm just like, you know, the. I just don't get it.

[Craig Krolbek]

That.

[Danny Kelly]

That's. That's when I feel the oldest, is when I see people attending raves. I'm like, just.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's nothing.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I could never do that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. You know, it's funny. Just.

[Danny Kelly]

No, thank you.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was at a music festival once, and we were in the. I was younger. I was in the front.

[Craig Krolbek]

And actually, back in your 20s?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I. I was Porter Robinson, who I love, And. And at the back, I actually found Robert Mays, who's at the very back, and he was like, yeah, I was you once. He's like, you know, the longer you come to these, the further back you sit. And the further back. And I was like, that is the truest shit ever. It's like every year I still go to artists, but I'm like, you know what? I stand a little further back.

[Craig Krolbek]

Yeah, it's like that Onion. That's the Onion article, man. Actively enjoying concert. Cannot wait for it to be over.

[Danny Kelly]

The truest thing.

[Craig Krolbek]

It's unbelievable. Nothing more, more true has ever been spoken.

[Danny Heifetz]

And we're being played off.

[Danny Kelly]

There it is.

[Danny Heifetz]

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