Power Ranking Buy-Low Fantasy Trade Targets, Fantasy Court, and the Assassination of William McKinley

Summary

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Episode: Power Ranking Buy-Low Fantasy Trade Targets, Fantasy Court, and the Assassination of William McKinley
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (DK), Craig Horlbeck
Date: November 12, 2025

Episode Overview

This lively episode delivers a full power hour on the best buy-low and trade targets for the 2025 fantasy football season, just ahead of most leagues’ trade deadlines. Danny Heifetz, DK, and Craig break down their philosophies and personal favorite targets for “buy low” and “league-winning” trades, share trading etiquette, run a raucous Fantasy Court, and dive into absurd league drama and random musings (including presidential conspiracies and literally what is a jug). As always, it’s a blend of sharp insights and signature Ringer banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trade Deadline Context and Philosophy

Timestamps: 00:00–09:30

• The hosts clarify the upcoming trade deadlines on major fantasy platforms and urge listeners to always verify league settings.
• Trade Advice:
  • Personalize your offers and conversations, don’t just send blanket trades. “Approaching people individually and asking them to do stuff is kind of the way to go about it rather than just sending out blanket offers.” — DK (01:45)
  • Think from your trade partner’s perspective.
  • Identify your team needs not just by position, but by whether you’re a “November” (must-win now) or “December” (prepping for playoffs) team.
  • Trading should not be about bamboozling: “Just find someone who has the opposite of what you need and just make a deal that helps both teams.” — Danny Heifetz (06:47)
• Don’t lowball; don’t oversell the guy you’re ditching.
• Timing and context (like player blurbs and recent “bad” weeks) can grease deals.

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2. Power Ranking the Best Trade Targets (Buy Lows & Beyond)

Timestamps: 10:00–46:21

Approaching the trade deadline, these are the names to target, with rationale and strategic advice.

Wide Receivers

• Jameson Williams (DET):
  “He’s been very high variance... but it just felt intentional to me that the way that Dan Campbell incorporated [him] into the offense... got him involved more in the short and intermediate, the crossers, the things where he can catch the ball and run...” — DK (11:37)
  • Risky, but upside is real and could be a second-half league-winner.
• DK Metcalf (PIT):
  • Recent poor performances mean he could be had for much less.
  • “Probably the best receiver that the person who has them is actually nervous about playing him each week.” — Danny Kelly (21:00)
• A.J. Brown (PHI):
  • Season from hell so far, but immense talent and cupcake schedule ahead makes him a top buy-low.
  • “Could you give up Ken Walker to get AJ Brown? ...people are so fed up with AJ Brown, who’s the WR42 on the season...” — Craig (23:44)
• Rashid Shaheed (SEA):
  • High-variance, spike week type, fits well with Darnold under new scheme.
  • “He could crush and win you weeks... exactly what Darnold is good at.” — Craig (39:33)

Running Backs

• David Montgomery (DET):
  • Snap share trending up, TDs due to regress, favorable dome-heavy schedule.
  • “I think David Montgomery passes the blurb test... the Lions are just going to be in a dome... The Lions are going to go bananas...” — Danny Heifetz (13:51)
• Derrick Henry (BAL):
  • Not playing like his old self, but Ravens’ schedule opens up and he’s historically stronger in the back half.
  • “Probably the single most talented player on an elite team that’s super acquirable now because he has been bad enough that we’ve made fun of him.” — Danny Heifetz (15:56)
• Jalen Warren (PIT):
  • Solid floor, trending toward RB1/2 usage, easy schedule.
  • “He’s getting most of the play since he came back... really useful and reliable running back for your team.” — DK (19:16)
• Aaron Jones (MIN):
  • Bellcow potential established, good playoff matchups.
  • “When he’s on the field, he straight up looks better than Jordan Mason…” — Craig (35:27)
• O’Marian Hampton (LAC) and Trey Benson (ARI):
  • Stash as playoff lottery tickets if you have roster space; prime for return just in time for fantasy playoffs.
  • “This is someone you can stick on your IR/bench and maybe have a full workload by week 14. That’s December 4.” — Danny Heifetz (37:58)

Other Noteworthy Names

• Courtland Sutton (DEN): Possible for dirt cheap, high volume due to recent negative sentiment.
• Rhamondre Stevenson (NE): Injured, but best-case scenario could return to bellcow status with soft schedule.
• Brian Thomas Jr. (JAX) & Ricky Pearsall (SF): Deep “throw-ins” for desperate managers.

Consensus Picks for Best Trade Target

• Derrick Henry (“High risk, high reward... his ceiling is infinitely higher than any of these other guys... true league winner.” — DK, 46:40)
• David Montgomery (“Dave Montgomery and Derrick Henry have crazy ceilings.” — Danny Heifetz, 46:26)
• A.J. Brown as a “total shake-up” value.

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3. Fantasy Court: League Drama & Shenanigans

Timestamps: 51:50–62:34

• Case 1:

  • A league’s chaotic “11th-place makes a rule” system created “The Great Rebalancing”: after 10 weeks, last place can force a 1-for-1 player swap with first place (i.e., Jonathan Taylor for a useless Joe Mixon).
  • Collusion ensued as several top managers benched their starters to manipulate playoff seeding.
  • Verdict: “There was definitely collusion. The correct fix is to retroactively set all lineups as last week’s, swap out BYE/injured as appropriate, and see who’s in first.”
  • Noted: The “spirit of chaos” brings mayhem, but the rules were technically broken.

• Case 2:

  • One listener suspects his commissioner is “fantasy catfishing” via multiple teams all named “Greg.”
  • “It’s a fantasy catfish situation. He’s wondering if the commissioner is fantasy catfishing him with three teams all named Greg.” — Danny Heifetz (68:17)
  • General consensus: Hilarious but concerning; maybe check platform owner details.

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4. Lighter Segments & Banter

Timestamps: 62:34–86:00

• Breakfast Sandwich Policing: Is cream cheese, bacon, and egg on cinnamon raisin bagel psychotic or inspired?
• Science Corner: The sun’s temp (core: 27 million °F) and aurora borealis as plasma—Brooke B. corrects their sun trivia.
• Pitcher, Catcher & Position Name Accuracy: Spirited debate over sports naming conventions.
• Conspiracies:
  • Wildest conspiracy the hosts believe? Danny Heifetz: “I think Teddy Roosevelt totally had William McKinley killed.” (85:53)
• Listener Emails:
  • “Jug” as a football nickname, why the Vikings WR is called that (his head looks like a jug).
  • The existential wonderment of sports, the cosmos, and…why we haven’t spun off the Earth despite rotating at 1,000+ mph.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On trade etiquette:
  • “Stop worrying about you. You've got to take two seconds to think about what that person needs. And that's like 80% of it.” — Danny Heifetz (03:59)
• On fantasy collusion:
  • “Are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy? Give me that.” — Danny Heifetz channeling The Wire (61:05)
• On crazy buy-lows:
  • “Could you trade Alvin Kamara for AJ Brown? ...Could you give up Ken Walker? ...People are so fed up with AJ Brown...” — Craig (23:38)
• On Derrick Henry:
  • “He could be a true league winner. ...He could just go nuclear down the stretch.” — DK (16:43, 46:40)
• On fantasy catfishing:
  • “It’s a fantasy catfish situation. He’s wondering if the commissioner is fantasy catfishing him with three teams named Greg.” — Danny Heifetz (68:17)
• Science Corner:
  • “Plasma is the fourth state of matter where there’s so much energy, the electrons break apart, leave the protons, and there’s a soup of free electrons all bouncing around like a chaotic ocean of electricity. And that’s what the sun is made of.” — Danny Heifetz, relaying listener Brooke’s explanation (80:38)
• Conspiracy Corner:
  • “I think Teddy Roosevelt totally had William McKinley killed.” — Danny Heifetz (85:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–09:30 Opening, trade etiquette & philosophy
• 10:00–46:21 Power Ranking Trade Targets
• 51:50–62:34 Fantasy Court (Great Rebalancing Collusion)
• 62:34–68:17 Catfished by “Gregs”
• 70:00–77:00 Listener emails (“Jug” and sports nicknames)
• 77:06–81:43 Science Corner: Sun, aurora, plasma
• 83:00–88:00 Conspiracies, presidential mayhem
• 86:00–end Episode close, final asides

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Tone & Style

Consistently playful, self-deprecating, and intellectually curious—sharp fantasy analysis delivered through a lens of pop culture, inside jokes, and relatable league tales.

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This summary captures all major discussions, standout quotes, and the essential flavor of The Ringer Fantasy Football Show’s November 12, 2025 episode, providing valuable strategic takeaways and plenty of entertainment even for non-listeners.

Transcript

[Danny Kelly]

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[DK]

I think, you know, approaching people individually and asking them to do stuff is kind of the way to go about it rather than just sending out blanket offers.

[Craig Roback]

That's your move at bars too, right?

[DK]

Totally.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[DK]

You guys want to do stuff. Yeah. I think trying to make it personalized is the way to go because if you just send out blanket offers, people and just say no and then move on with their day.

[Craig Roback]

But yeah, it's like Lil Dicky and his show Dave, his move when he goes and hits on women is he says what. What is your openness to being hit on right now? And I feel like there you can actually translate that a little bit to how you trade with somebody where you almost go up to them and say like, hey, look, what is your willingness to. To making a trade?

[DK]

What's your willingness to potentially ruin your team and or make it better?

[Craig Roback]

What's your willingness to getting ripped off by me right now?

[Danny Kelly]

That's actually. Yeah, there you go. So there you go. You See just the little dicky approach to trades. Okay, we're get to just a bunch of trade targets in a moment, but first we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter. This season, fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money trade banking fees for fee free banking, 1.5% cash back getting paid when you say and a higher APY on your savings. That's the lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the secured Chime Visa credit card provided by the Bancorp Bank NA or Stride Bank NA members. FDIC optional services and products may have fees or charges [e-mail] fees info with a qualifying direct deposit. Earn 1.5% cash back on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield.

[DK]

Learn [e-mail] feel like that's how Heitz does trades. He's like, all right, let's get down to brass tax. We got to make a deal.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Pour right from there. We're coming back in right off that. Yeah, that is how I make trades. I have a radical approach. If I text people and ask, what do you want? And they tell me and then if.

[DK]

That, what can I do for you?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, honestly, that's how you make trades. You stop worrying about you. You have to take two seconds to think about what that person needs. And, and that's like 80% of it. Honestly.

[Craig Roback]

This is like, this is like Howie Roseman. I. I kind of just won't trade with him. Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't trust it. We've made small trades, but I won't do anything big. We almost made a massive Justin Jefferson trade in our Dynasty league. I didn't do it.

[Danny Kelly]

Everyone's just on the edge of their seat hearing about Dynasty, Lamar Jackson or Justin Jefferson trade. I will say though, just general, general stuff just approach. I think frames all this because there's. We talk a lot about buy lows in the beginning of the year. I think the end of the year is a little different. The again, it sounds really simple, but I think people forget this. You can't just make people make a trade. It's fantasy football people stuff going on. Like finding the right team is half the battle.

[DK]

So. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Danny Kelly]

The obvious, like maybe this will sound super obvious and if it does that you guys can make fun of me or whatever. But like the first just identify Your timeline, are you a November team or December team? Like, what's more important if you're just scrapping for a playoff spot, deal with the playoffs when you get there. Like you need to, you're a November team. You need to win the next four weeks and make the playoffs. But if you're kind of already locked into the playoffs, you're just trying to lock in a buy and just like you're already going to make the playoffs, you're December team, you're thinking about weeks 15, 16, 17, and if you get the buy, just 16, 17. So like, sure, like, that's an important thing to figure out about what your needs are. Like November, December. The second one obviously is like, what do you need positions? Like, you know, you don't need me to tell you if you have Jaden Daniels and Kyler Murray, you're probably screwed at quarterback. Like, you know you need a quarterback. Just if you have Brock Bowers and Tyler Warren, then you're like, okay, I can get rid of a tight end, figure out what you, what you need, and then what do you have to trade? And then it's not complicated. But go through every team in your league from worst place to first place and be like, who's your opposite? You need to find your bizarro team. If you have two tight ends that are great, find a team that has none and are streaming terrible ones every week. And then hopefully that team has what you need. And if there's a team that has like you need running backs and you have receivers and they have running backs and they need receivers, like that's the ideal. If it's not that simple, mix that with the November December thing. Like if the first place team, team, they don't want to make a trade, but maybe you're like scrapping and you have like Garrett Wilson who just is now going to be out another three or four weeks. Garrett Wilson's useless to you. If you're like four and six right now and you need to just get back to like, you know, you need to get.

[DK]

Yeah, you need to start winning.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So like the first place team might want like Garrett Wilson and Terry McLaurin. Like some of these guys who are hurt and aren't going to play for like six weeks, they might want those guys or o' Marian Hampton for the Chargers. The flip side is maybe if you're first place, you can go get some of those guys because they're useless. But the point is between the positions and time, just find someone who you don't have to Like Svengali, Rasputin trick. Just find someone who, like, has the opposite of what you need and just make a deal that helps both teams. You don't have to trick anyone.

[DK]

Like many things in life, the key here is putting a little effort in, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Just take two seconds, whether it makes sense for them.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Craig Roback]

Treat your trade partner like a human being.

[DK]

Right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[DK]

Don't send them some bullshit offer and the. The poison, the.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, the truest trade advice I can give you in fantasy football, and probably in life too, is the most transparently bullshit thing is if you have to really talk up the player you're getting rid of. It just is the most transparently bullshit. Like, unless you need a very specific reason why you're getting rid of the players. Player.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. Like, you gotta give up something to get something. Like, to be honest, it's like you just gotta be transparent. I do feel like honesty work. Like, if you're like, hey, I'm really deep at exposition and this guy's good, I'm willing to give him up for this. I honestly think that's just like a transparent, easy approach. And you can actually have like an open dialogue rather than both, like, lie to each other in a group, in a text until, you know, both of you say no. Just be honest with him. Here's why I want that guy, and here's why I'm willing to give up this guy. The trade has to make sense for it to work. Unfortunately, like, it's kind of rare that you can truly just like, bamboozle somebody. Like, it does kind of have to work and make sense both ways.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's understand the difference between sometimes, like, what you want and what you need. And sometimes you can't get what you want. But some, like, if you really need the tight end, you need a quarterback or something like that.

[DK]

Don't let perfect get in the way of Good.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, it's a great. That's a great Rolling Stone song.

[DK]

Is that really so. I didn't know that.

[Craig Roback]

Well, you can't always get what you want.

[Danny Kelly]

He gets like, perfect enemy. Good. I didn't know those.

[Craig Roback]

You can't always get what you want. It's a great song.

[Danny Kelly]

It is funny how those early. Some of the key to those early hits are like, man, they just had full. They just had all the sayings.

[Craig Roback]

They did like.

[Danny Kelly]

And none of the sayings had been mine.

[DK]

I mean, their. Their name is a saying.

[Craig Roback]

It's kind of like old movies. It's like, man, they had the concepts.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, guy loves bank Robbery.

[Craig Roback]

It's like, guy loves girl.

[DK]

Wow, this resonates.

[Craig Roback]

Teen wants to get laid. This is going to make a billion dollars. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

The Beatles are like, have you guys heard about, like, love? Like, fuck, no one's hit that yet.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And then also the most timeless rule of all, which is in addition to what we're saying, don't lowball people. The blurb rule. It'll 10 times easier to get a player if the blurb is negative. Like, if you open a player's like, nobody makes a trade without reading that blurb, and it's probably the first and last thing they'll click on before they do the deal. And if the. The blurb says stock soaring because he's just crushing this amazing, talented player versus TK Metcalf, scoreless again.

[DK]

Once again, gets three targets.

[Craig Roback]

Really? AJ Brown. Jesus Christ.

[Danny Kelly]

What are you gonna do?

[Craig Roback]

This guy.

[Danny Kelly]

It really is easier to get a player if their blurb is negative. So anyway, just keep all that in mind. So with that said, we're gonna get to trade targets for the trade deadline and really, seriously, make sure to trade. Check your trade deadline and let people know.

[DK]

How did you rank these, by the way? By the ones you like the most?

[Danny Kelly]

I ranked them in the order that I thought would be good for a conversation. And we can figure out during the show what is actually the best target here.

[DK]

Okay. Yeah.

[Craig Roback]

At the end, let's. Let's elect the single best trade target.

[DK]

I think that is the right. I like it.

[Danny Kelly]

Starting with the number one person I was most intrigued by.

[Craig Roback]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. We're doing TomTom, right?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Craig Roback]

Come on. He's been off. TomTom was off last week.

[Danny Kelly]

I know, you're right.

[Craig Roback]

He had a hammy.

[Danny Kelly]

But he's back like A.J. brown. We'll know he's going to try harder. But yeah, we're going to power rank all these. Well, really at the end. But we're gonna do this Power Hour style. So every two minutes you can hear this sound.

[Craig Roback]

Good to have you back, Mr. Club.

[Danny Kelly]

Look, they never left number one. And again, these aren't all by low. Some of these people are playing. All right, but I was gonna say this.

[Craig Roback]

This first one goes against what we just said. So I'm curious.

[Danny Kelly]

Number one is Jameson Williams, the receiver for the Lions, which is funny because DK threw this out and it's like James Williams kind of in battle year and then has one great week, and DK is like, trade target. But I kind of agree. So dk, why he's had two good weeks.

[DK]

These are two good weeks in a row. I think really this is a gut thing for me more and I, and I recognize that it's pretty risky because Jameson Williams has been all over the map this year. He's been very high variance in the sense that some days he'll get five, six targets and be a big part of the offense. And then other games he's absolutely invisible, which actually makes me think he'd be like he could be had for a reasonable cost. He's not going to cost you like a really big player. But it just felt intentional to me that the way that Dan Campbell incorporated it into their offense, into the Lions offense after taking over play calling this week got him involved more in the short and intermediate, the crossers, the things where he can catch the ball and run rather than just straight up chucking it downfield and hoping he can make a play. So there was an intentionality there that I felt and kind of just a gut feeling that they're going to try and use him a lot more. They recognize that when they're using him a lot it makes their offense much more dangerous. So. And obviously they signed him to this big contract. They talked about ball off season that he hasn't really done a lot this year. So I think maybe he could be a second half player. So Jameson Williams overall risky, but I think the upside is there.

[Craig Roback]

I don't disagree with you that also the Lions have a nice schedule coming up that we'll get into. But the only tough part is just like people have probably been holding on to him all year on their bench, trying to play him when they think it makes sense. He's been burning them. But he had a good week last week and even if you didn't start him last week, they probably started in this week against the Commanders and then he blew up. So I do feel like you might have to offer something decent to get him.

[DK]

Yeah, I think, yeah, people could use it as, as an excuse to sell high too, thinking he might be really high variance.

[Craig Roback]

With that said, it's easier to acquire a wide receiver than say a running back or something.

[Danny Kelly]

Always, always, always, always. I think the biggest issue with fantasy rankings is something I want to talk about how to fix with you guys next year is rankings don't account for the fact that four weeks in everyone wants running backs and everyone's trying to turn receivers into running backs.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, like, like I've been trying to acquire a running back in my home league and I go to each team and I look at their. And I'm just like, there's no way anybody's going to give me one of these like two or three running backs on their team. Even if they're mediocre. It's all they have.

[Danny Kelly]

So speaking of which, number two guy here. And I'm curious what you guys think. Craig, you had David Montgomery the running back for the Lions.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. So I think you could get away with this one because he hasn't had more than 10 fantasy points since week five and he's been pretty mediocre all season. And a little bit to DK's point about Dan Campbell, Campbell calling plays. Dan Campbell likes David Montgomery and I'm.

[DK]

Kind of just the, the style he brings.

[Craig Roback]

He likes the one, two punch. He likes evening things out a little bit more. And the numbers bore out yesterday. Like David Montgomery out snapped Jabir Gibbs 75% and long down and distance stuff. He, Montgomery played the highest percentage of snaps he's played all season. They were under center way more. There was way more play action. And also, so I think he's been a little light in the touchdown department. I kind of think that's more variance. He's still like the guy who's playing the most snaps inside the five yard line. All that stuff. Like, I'm just kind of betting on the Lions also. They have four of their next five games are indoors. They have three straight home games. They play the Cowboys, they play the Giants. So I do think that I'm just kind of betting on David Montgomery kind of getting back to old school. David Montgomery over the second, over these next, you know, seven weeks.

[Danny Kelly]

I totally agree. David Montgomery passes the blurb test because even like Yahoo, it's like Montgomery was overshadowed by a huge performance from Junior Gibbs. This is the time. I agree with what you're saying, Craig. Like, the Lions are going to score a lot. To your point, the Lions play the Eagles this week on Sunday football. And then after that, the Lions don't play outside again, like not for fantasy. Like the Lions after the Eagles, it's like home for the Giants, home for the packers, home for Dallas, which is going to be a bar. Like a lot of points at Rams for Sofi Stadium, home for the Steelers, and then they're at Minnesota, who has a dome. So the Lions are just going to be in a dome. And since 2022, which is when the Lions really started, this version of early began, the Lions averaged like seven points more indoors than outdoors. So and that's not like, you know, a guarantee or anything, but I Think the Lions are going to go bananas but just actually scoring bonanza going forward. So all of them. So with that said, dk, would you trade David Montgomery for Jameson Williams?

[DK]

That's a good one. Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I would rather.

[Craig Roback]

Well, yeah, I mean also, you usually always want a running back than a wide receiver, but in terms of just value, like let's say for some weird reason you. You are deep at running back, you would get rid of David Montgomery to acquire Jameson Williams.

[DK]

Dk. Yeah, I think that's in the ballpark. By the way, we Anthony Amico text tweeted at us that Tom Tom plays during transitions in the show loot on Apple tv.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, the Vince Vaughn show. Is that with Vince Vaughn?

[DK]

I don't know. Loot or is that. No, that's with Maya Rudolph.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, that's the one where she's like Mackenzie Bezos knockoff. Yeah, yeah, she's the one. She. It's like takes over, is the richest man in the world.

[Craig Roback]

Oh yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

50 billion in cash.

[Craig Roback]

The Vince Vaughn show is bad monkey.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? TomTom is in loot. Okay.

[DK]

If anyone involved transitioned, maybe they. Maybe they're fans of the show.

[Craig Roback]

We haven't we seen TomTom on ESPN before in Trent, they were doing Monday Night Football.

[Danny Kelly]

They were doing Big Energy by lotto.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, right.

[DK]

So kinda.

[Danny Kelly]

But really, TomTom, if you think about it, number three, similar vein, I have Derek Henry, the running back for the Ravens, which I feel like is Derek Henry is probably the single most talented player on an elite team that is super acquirable now because he has been bad enough that we've made fun of him. He hasn't had a nuclear Derek Henry performance when the Ravens offense was all healthy. The whole frankly defining part of the Ravens was other than injuries was Derek Henry fumbling a lot. Literally showed his ass. I mean like I. But Derek Henry, after this week, it's Cleveland, which is a tough defense. Then it's like the jets, they get the Bengals twice. The Steelers were. Derek Henry ran for 200 yards last year. I don't know DK, where are you at? On vs Derek Henry could lose a little playing time to keep Mitchell versus Derek Henry could just go nuclear down the stretch again.

[DK]

I think it's more likely the latter that he'll just go nuclear down the stretch. This is a great trade target, I think because my initial reaction is like this is kind of tough because right now my confidence level on just him in general is so low. But it's Derek Henry. I mean he's done this year in and year out, I don't think he looks any, he doesn't look significantly different than he has in other years in terms of like, when he gets going, he still looks really fast to me. I just think the, they just haven't really got the run game rolling. But yeah, I, I, I think that he could be had. Like you said, he could be had for a lot less than, you know, he could be traded for.

[Craig Roback]

And I think this is a great one high. Fitz. I fully agree. Watching Baltimore this year, like last week, they, they played Minnesota, who's a really good defense, and they give the Ravens trouble and he had a mediocre game. But like, he, he's just been a little thin in the touchdown department. And then we talked about how he like can't punch the ball in from the one yard line. But I still think it's all there. And I think the Ravens are still like, getting their together and getting better and Lamar's getting healthier. And I totally agree that. I think it's more likely that he has a classic Derrick Henry. Just like he gets better in the second half of games. I think he'll get better in the second half of the season.

[Danny Kelly]

That was the thing for the longest time, too. His yards per carry went up and everybody. Yeah, it was.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Just bizarre.

[Craig Roback]

No, I think that I, I think this one just makes a ton of sense. Their schedule's so bad. Bengals. Steelers.

[Danny Kelly]

Bengals.

[DK]

Dude, when the weather gets cold, tackling Derrick Henry.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[DK]

Can you imagine.

[Craig Roback]

Again, the only tough thing is just like, are you, is somebody gonna get rid of Derrick Henry who's like, they probably spent $45.

[Danny Kelly]

This is where you could include a running back and a receiver. Require Henry and someone else. Or just like it's where if you have a bunch of players that are on your bench and like, this is where you can approach someone who has Derrick Henry and they might look at. And you're hoping they look at it as this person who I'm getting is probably gonna be just as good as Henry to running back. And I could use.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, I know you gotta offer like ETN and I don't know a receiver with it. ETN and I don't know Cortland Sutton. Probably not. You're probably not doing that.

[Danny Kelly]

You ha. You have Cortland Sutton. You hate Cortland Sutton.

[Craig Roback]

He's been, yeah, he's been really frustrated.

[Danny Kelly]

I almost put Corden Sutton on this list.

[Craig Roback]

He's been so annoying this year.

[Danny Kelly]

Never draft Broncos if you're willing to do Broncos. I will say Though I. The Broncos to me are a buy low solely for the virtue that everyone just watched them on Thursday Night Football and is out on Denver because they saw that game. And I'm like, cortland Sutton will just be better going forward solely because everyone's agreed Bo Nicks and Sutton are bad.

[Craig Roback]

It's not hard to be better going forward based on what he's done the last five days. But yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Jaylen Warren, running back for the Steelers.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, interesting. Who has this dk.

[DK]

I got that.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[DK]

I think they're. He's not necessarily someone who is looked at as a bad fantasy player, but I think he does still suffer from. He's just not a star. And I think, you know, depending on what position when you look for, may probably trading for like a quarterback or a, you know, receiver, something like that. But I think Warren has a real potential to be like a low end running back 1/high end running back 2 down the stretch. Just a really useful and reliable running back for your team. He's getting most of the play since he came back from his injury, so 70% of the rushes. He's about 10% target rate around 16 touches per game, which I think could go up as they play easier teams down the stretch. The last, let's see, the last three games that the Steelers have played, the Chargers, the Colts and the packers all have like pretty good defenses. And going forward they play the Bengals, Bears, Bills, the Ravens have a good defense, I think so that one will be tough. But then the Dolphins after that, so they got a really easy stretch here coming up of defenses. And I think that Jalen Warren could like far outplay kind of like his perceived value right now.

[Craig Roback]

He's like the most dependable offensive player on the Steelers right now. The only fear with him is he's a little bit of an in between the 20s guy. Like he just doesn't get into the end zone that much. Yeah, but the bad defenses is what you have to bet on them getting in the red zone. Like Rogers is actually throwing a lot when they're inside the 10 and getting these like short little touchdowns. That's why he has so many touchdowns this year and he doesn't have a lot of yards. But no, Warren is great. Super dependable. I wish he threw to him a little bit more. I feel like he doesn't catch as many passes as he should, but rock solid.

[Danny Kelly]

The other Steeler that I like a lot for Bylo is DK Metcalf for the same reason everyone just saw the Steelers get Embarrassed and Sunday football people. That's a good Rogers is cooked. And DK Metcalf.

[DK]

And again to that schedule coming up.

[Danny Kelly]

Yahoo blurb. DK Metcalf disappears in lopsided week 10 loss. Great blurb. And then you look, you're like you have 5 points 1.14 then 6. I think Metcalf is one of the better receivers that probably the best receiver that the person who has them is like actually nervous about playing him each week. And obviously he has a ton of upside, but I think it's missed on.

[DK]

A few big plays too recently.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. Like the touchdown at the end, like in that game. Like I think Rogers is not going to stop throwing a cafe the ball. The problem is I think a lot of defenses are going to treat Metcalf the way Jamar Chase should be treated on the Bengals, which is going to be like, yeah, we're going to make Calvin Austin, who can't catch, catch the ball. They're going to just take away Metcalf.

[DK]

And be like, yeah, Calvin Austin. Is he just going to get sent back to the bench? Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

I think yes.

[Craig Roback]

Honestly, it depends if like Roman Wilson can step up. He makes a few garbage time plays every game, but there's not a lot of other options.

[Danny Kelly]

Calvin Austin has two strikes. If he has another horrible drop, Rodgers will not tolerate it. Fourth unless he has to and they run out of people. But yeah, I think Metcalf and Warren are great choices.

[Craig Roback]

Do we get it under the gun there? Wow, we're being really efficient today. Speaking of wide receivers who just get doubled and don't get thrown the ball. Dare I dare I suggest AJ Brown.

[DK]

Who this one is.

[Danny Kelly]

This is the bias.

[DK]

Yeah. As bold as you can get, this.

[Danny Kelly]

Is the lowest buy of all.

[Craig Roback]

By lows, I mean just a crucial letdown on Monday Night Football. The amount of people who probably went into Monday Night football having needing 6, 7, 8, 9 points, thinking they got a shot and he gives you three.

[Danny Kelly]

Two catches for 13 yards, two catches.

[Craig Roback]

For 13 yards, three targets. And look, it's been, it will have been by the time next, next week comes along. It'll basically have been a month since AJ Brown did anything good for you. Week nine he was ruled out with a hammy kind of like out of nowhere. So you missed.

[Danny Kelly]

It was ahead of the trade deadline. It was kind of like then week.

[Craig Roback]

10 by and then week 11 he has three points. So it's been a long time. And look, I've been as critical of the Eagles offense as anybody, but I'm like You could probably get him for next to nothing. And Everybody who has A.J. brown, including myself on a team, you, you've been figuring it out without him, like Troy Franklin, Romeo Dobbs. Like there have been guys that you've grabbed on the waiver wire this year that you, you are playing over AJ Brown half the time because he's been so bad. Like. And if you look at the Eagles schedule, they play the Lions, the Cowboys, the Bears, the Chargers, Raiders, Commanders, Bills. Five of the seven teams are playing are bottom eight in fantasy points allowed to wide receivers. It is a huge risk, but I think people are so fed up with A.J. brown, who's the wide receiver, 42 on the season. Like, could you, could you trade Alvin Camara for A.J. brown?

[DK]

Probably after Camara. Pretty good game this last week. Yeah. Maybe Ken Walker.

[Craig Roback]

Could you, could you give up Ken walker to get A.J. brown?

[Danny Kelly]

That's.

[DK]

I think, I think people like you said Craig are totally fed up with them and would and would part with him for not a whole lot.

[Craig Roback]

He's basically had two good games this year.

[DK]

Devonte Smith is outscoring him. I mean maybe that was obvious, but devonte Smith has more fantasy points than him this year.

[Danny Kelly]

Certain receipt. There are certain players, mostly receivers, where the actual vibe right now with managers is like, I actually want this guy off my team, AJ Brown. And then on like Brian Thomas who's hurt as an ankle sprain and like. But those guys are available for such crazy discounts. The funny part is A.J. what do you. What would have to happen where you could put A.J. brown in your lineup and actually feel good about.

[Craig Roback]

You're betting on a good player and a good team.

[Danny Kelly]

Even Dallas. I know, but even Dallas in week one he went 59 minutes without a target, which is just incredible. But again, it's just, it's just smart by the dip because in real life he's still a top five real life receiver even if he's not getting the ball.

[DK]

So it's smart. Yeah. This is a good buy low because I personally want nothing to do with the AJ Brown thing and I would like, I would give him away for very long.

[Craig Roback]

Sean White, like you could give like kind of these random running back.

[Danny Kelly]

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[DK]

I've never seen anything like it.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Craig Roback]

Serious question. Do you think if Ben Johnson's. If his life depended on it and I. And I was playing quarterback for his team, he could get me more than 54 passing yards in a game?

[Danny Kelly]

I think little jet sweep flips, maybe fence didn't know it was you. If you could put on Jared Goff's jersey.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Then like, Or I guess Benjamin Bears, whatever. I think that if they didn't. If it took them like a little bit, because once they knew it was you, then they would just not care. But if they. He could get you, like the little pot pass thing.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And maybe you got, like, two plays to break one. Maybe.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. It'd be the Lions. Cause I could probably most. I could pass for a skinny, tall, white, kind of like Jared Goff.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So, like, they. You'd have like three plays, and then they figured out that you're probably not Jared Goff.

[Craig Roback]

Like Justin Fields had in week two. Justin Fields had 27 passing yards. I feel like I could do that. I just feel like. Right.

[DK]

I don't think you could.

[Craig Roback]

You know, if Dan Campbell is scheming it up for me. You don't think I can get 27.

[Danny Kelly]

You could do the pop past thing. You could probably walk out with a week of practice. You could walk out and, like, do the little pop pass. Just give it to James.

[Craig Roback]

First play, pop. Little pop pass. Second play is like, I. I screen again, Scramble back. Screen pass. I might be at 27 already. And then they figure out who I am and they yank me.

[Danny Kelly]

But we should do. We're gonna do this the end of this season. When we do the rewatchables and we recap the season, we all should get to pick one thing that we think we could have done on the year. Like, there's one play that, like, I could have done that. Maybe that would be yours.

[Craig Roback]

Dk, would you trust yourself more to hit to complete a screen pass or kick an extra point?

[DK]

Hit a screen pass.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the thing about screen is because it goes behind the line of scrimmage, you're like, that doesn't mean it's zero yards. Like, a screen could be like 25 yards. That's far for a normal person to throw a football.

[DK]

Feel like there's just more variables when you're kicking it. I don't think.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think there's way less variables when you're kicking it.

[DK]

There's. There's less variables than Just chucking it to a guy on a.

[Danny Kelly]

On a. You have to. As a quarterback, you have to screen. Do it.

[Craig Roback]

Offense, the screen pass is tough because the whole point of the screen passes the offensive line allows the lineman to chase you before you pass the ball.

[DK]

I guess it depends on what kind of screen we're running here. Yeah, I guess. I think there's definitely more screen or like if I have to do anything tricky. I was thinking you just like, like hike the ball and throw it to like a. Like a smoke pass or to like.

[Craig Roback]

Like a wide receiver bubble screen. That's.

[DK]

But you don't even.

[Danny Kelly]

But you have to hike the ball. The. The. You don't even do that as the kicker.

[DK]

Holder doesn't.

[Danny Kelly]

What are the variables on a kick? I don't know.

[DK]

It's. It's not that easy to kick a ball. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

No, but I'm saying anything that affects.

[DK]

Throw a ball more than I do to kick a ball, is that okay?

[Danny Kelly]

19.

[DK]

Why did you ask me if you're just going to try and talk me out of it?

[Danny Kelly]

I did. He asked. Okay.

[DK]

Well, just. Okay. Do you think you'd rather kick it then? That's cool.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I just had a quibble of the variables. Okay. I think the field goal is the least variables of any play.

[DK]

I think. Okay. Variables is maybe the wrong word. Variance is what I was thinking. I think the ball could just come off your foot totally different. I feel like I. I'm more confident in my ability to throw a football than to kick it.

[Craig Roback]

I love just tossing a hot potato between you two and then bailing.

[DK]

Jesus Christ. This guy could argue about truly anything. I like legitimately. Any subject in the universe to skill.

[Craig Roback]

To skill.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I was right about that part, but it's fine.

[DK]

Okay. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just saying no variables. That'll kick you just go up and kick it.

[DK]

You don't think the snap and the hold are variables?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but it's their job to put it down. You don't have to deal with the hole.

[DK]

It's the center's job to hike the ball. You just have to catch it well.

[Danny Kelly]

But you have to call. There's a cadence that you have to get right.

[DK]

Oh, yeah, you're having to do all that too. Okay. Okay. Okay. I see.

[Craig Roback]

I think there are more.

[DK]

I'm fucking prisoner in this argument.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't even care. We'll move on.

[DK]

I don't want to fucking talk about this anymore.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just saying I'm doing that thing Where.

[DK]

Hey, Fitz, excuse me for a minute and then I'm leaving.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm leaving.

[DK]

I'm leaving the argument.

[Danny Kelly]

Vikings next top. All right, next trade target here, Vikings running back Aaron Jones. Dk. He. He's never had to kick.

[Craig Roback]

Two minutes on the clock for Aaron Jones.

[DK]

Yeah, Aaron Jones could kick a field goal.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm gonna. I think he did kick something once.

[DK]

Why does it feel familiar that he kicked it? I don't know if he did. Anyways, Aaron Jones, I think, just clearly has way more juice at the running back position than Jordan Mason. I think Jordan Mason is a good running back, but he's not very fast, not very explosive. Aaron Jones provides the element of speed that the Vikings desperately need. And in this last game, in fact, in the last two games. And props to Dwayne McFarland who pointed this out, basically he was getting the massive lion's share of the volume before he got hurt two weeks ago, he went out with like an AC joint sprain. And then this last week, he against the Ravens, he, you know, 72% of snaps, which is like bell cow usage ranch a ton of routes, 15% target rate. Got all the carries inside the five yard line, all the two minute drill stuff. So he was, he was the guy for them. And I think we can see that going forward. And importantly, they have some decent opponents on the schedule. I mean, obviously they play the packers in the Seahawks, which is not easy, but they play the Bears next week, the Commanders in a few weeks. And then in the playoffs, it's the Cowboys and Giants and Lions, so some really good opponent matchups in that game, in those games. And I think they're just going to give the ball to him a lot. Gigi McCarthy still hasn't really proven anything. I think they. They want to rely on their playmakers. So Aaron Jones, if someone is willing to part with him, obviously he's not gonna be super cheap. Not, certainly not as cheap as he was when he was injured. But I think there's proof of concept there that he's going to be the guy.

[Craig Roback]

I think Aaron Jones has been largely irrelevant this season, which helps your case. TK I think like people have had to make do without him for so long and even when he has played, it hasn't really been that great. So I do think this is like an attainable. This is like an aging guy who splits time in a backfield on a mediocre offense. But I agree with you that when he's on the field, he straight up looks better than Jordan Mason, who I kind of was not impressed with in the time that Aaron Jones was out. He didn't really do a lot with it.

[Danny Kelly]

No Aaron Jones.

[Craig Roback]

Cut off by Tom.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean Tom. Tom. Tom. Tom knows that. End of argument.

[DK]

Did you, did you look up the Aaron Jones kicking thing? I couldn't.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think he's kicked the ball. I don't know.

[DK]

We both have. That goes weird.

[Danny Kelly]

Any Aaron jokes playing Dallas impression first Aaron Jones playing Dallas the first round of the playoffs is, is if you you're going to clinch the playoffs, a pretty great person to target. Another person that I think if you are a playoff team in fantasy and you are going to make it, that you could target is Omarion Hampton, the running back for the Chargers. This one is I think a good example of taking a leap, but you don't have to spend that much to figure it out because Amir and Hampton, rookie running back for the Charges first round pick not lived up to how high you took him obviously because the injury he, he got hurt not and then the Chargers tackles got hurt. So it's not the same community. Vidal has been good in relief, but Harp Jim Jim Harbaugh said that Amirian Hampton probably is not going to be back until week 13. But if it's his first game back as a rookie from injury, he's probably not gonna have a full workload in week 13. So maybe he'd have a full workload of week 14. That's December 4th. So if you have him, if someone else in your league is a Marion Hampton and Amirian Hampton or the team that has him is again 5 and 5 just trying to get in the playoffs, you might be able to give them some kind of short term player that they need now and then you can just stick a Marian Hampton maybe on your injured reserve slot, not even use a spot on him for like a month maybe or three weeks. And then if he comes back and does usurp Kymani Vidal, you'd have a Marian Hampton for the playoffs. It's not like necessarily foolproof, but I think if you have if the person has a Marian Hampton is not like locked into a playoff spot. I don't think they need that much for him necessarily. So I think that's someone that I would go and knock on the door for for Hampton.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, I agree. Hanseller also just looks great when he played. I like fully believe in him as a talent.

[Danny Kelly]

Exact same logic also for Trey Benson, the running back of the Cardinals where he played like one game without James Connor or with without James Conner, Trey Benson got hurt, went into reserve. I don't know exactly when Trey Benson's going to come back, but they Cardinals play the Bengals in week 17 and the Bengals are the worst run defense in the league. And that's something where if you're in first or second place and you might get a buy and you want to just stash a running back on IR just on the deep bench and then the person who hasn't maybe isn't going to play them. I think Trey Benson just Benson, Hampton super acquirable people if they're on like mid teams.

[DK]

Right. Like look for the teams that can't afford to wait around for these guys anymore.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Craig Roback]

The Hampton team has to be struggling and they need wins. Now if that team's in first or second place, it won't work. But if they're like four and five right now or something. Five and five.

[Danny Kelly]

Next up here, Craig, you put Rashid Shahid Seahawks receipt now Seahawks receiver after they traded for him from the Saints. I, this is smart.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, I just think he's kind of been, I mean he's irrelevant and he's, he has had two games with more than 10 points this year with this trying to trade for him. Basically I'm banking on it being week 11 and people have just made do without sheed for the whole season and I, I really think he could crush and win you weeks. Like I, he's going to be high variance but I think the spike weeks with him, I mean you go back to last year on the Saints, the first two weeks with the Saints, Derek Carr, Kubiak, he was the wide receiver 8. The first five weeks he was the wide receiver 21. He was top 10 in yards per route run. He had over 70 yards in four of the first five games before he got hurt with the Saints last year and Derek Carr was just going deep to him and it's exactly what Darnold is good at and what they have been doing. Darnold is first an explosive pass rate in the league this year. He's first in air yards per attempt and it's just a perfect fit. It's exactly what she does. Well and maybe you can bank on the fact that with the Seahawks game they won by so much. Shahid did absolutely nothing. I mean he ran eight routes. It's not, it's not his fault.

[DK]

Darnold. Dude, they threw twice in the second half.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. So it's like it's. And maybe people are going to be like, oh well that, that didn't work. Like yeah, he's going to be kind of an afterthought in this offense or whatever or super Boomer bust. I can't rely on that right now. But if you're a good team and you kind of want to take a shot on a guy who come like week 14, 15, 16 could be catching 60 yard touchdowns. I think Shahid is a fantastic pick and there's not a lot of other competition like Darnold does not throw to the tight ends that much. He does not throw to the running backs that much. There's like Cooper cup and Torrey Horton who was inactive last week. I think it really could be a blow up spot for Shahid in December.

[Danny Kelly]

The fear is that Rashid, she can make the six better in real life just by existing and just stretching the field horizontally, vertically. But also the best way to get teams to respect that is to hit a couple bombs through Shaheed. So I think that's a great call.

[DK]

Especially if they used him on Wilson. They used him on a couple like running back carries.

[Craig Roback]

They did, yeah.

[DK]

So maybe there's some more to how they see him being utilized in their offense going forward. Obviously that's not going to be like enough to bank on for fantasy, but you know, Kubiak knows him and knows him well and knows how to incorporate him into their offense. I think this last week it was just the game got out of hand immediately. They scored two defensive touchdowns in the first quarter and then all of a sudden they're like, we don't have to do anything for the rest of the game.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, it's funny. Like I don't really, I still don't really understand why somebody like JSN this entire season has been just completely unstoppable and yet AJ Brown was like, oh yeah, they shifted the safety over so I wasn't open. I'm like, why the. I don't get it. Why you just do that to Jackson Smith? Jake? Yeah, I don't get it.

[Danny Kelly]

I think, yeah, when you put it.

[Craig Roback]

Like that it's like so you're telling me 10 defenses in a row have not thought of that against jsm like, oh, Jerry Rice.

[DK]

Oh, you know what, I was doing well for a while there, but then.

[Craig Roback]

He'S the only good player on the offense.

[DK]

But then they moved the safety over. I think honestly, like, I think Kubia scheme is like really good and obviously you know the way that they can scheme him open. And also JSN has been awesome. Like route runner, he's been, they've been getting him involved over the middle of field on in breakers on deep shots on wheel routes. They had like one wheel route the other day where he like ran a route from the backfield at the running back spot. So it's just. Yeah, they're just really getting.

[Craig Roback]

It's a testament to the spike calling because Angie Brown is obviously talented and is like a top 10 talent but they are not able to get him the fucking football.

[Danny Kelly]

I think also the difference is that when in Jigba has been smothered Sam Donald has gotten touchdowns to Tori Horton and AJ Barnum and Darnold has just has consistent maybe not consistently for fantasy found different like the same guy like a number two but Darnold has really consistently gotten the ball around the offense what it is in Jigba. So. But yeah, Kubiak. That's why I kind of want Kubect for the Giants. Like I think Kubiax. I've kind of seen enough. Like I'm impressed. Yeah.

[DK]

I know.

[Craig Roback]

You can get Clint and Clay. Yeah.

[DK]

Isn't there a Klein?

[Craig Roback]

Oh wait, is it Klein?

[DK]

I think there's a Clay and a Klein.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. We just. Right because there were three K's.

[DK]

What's Klein doing?

[Craig Roback]

Klein is.

[DK]

Where is in college.

[Craig Roback]

Klein is a scout for the Cowboys. Clay is the.

[DK]

No wonder the Cowboys offense is so good.

[Craig Roback]

Clint, Clay and Klein. It's a lot of K's.

[DK]

There's three in fact.

[Craig Roback]

That's getting frisky. What are the middle names? Any.

[Danny Kelly]

Any number other than that is. Is better. The worst amount of K's.

[Craig Roback]

Let me check the middle name on all these people. Hold on.

[DK]

I think we did this. It's not. They're not K's.

[Danny Kelly]

We checked.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[DK]

We did. I'm pretty sure talking point. If it was.

[Danny Kelly]

There'S no way we would.

[Craig Roback]

I think they're all K. A K, Clay, Anthony, Kubia, Clint Alexander, Kubiak and I can't find Klein's.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you guys into planning kind of names like that? Like having like a larger like universe your kids names are fitting into? Basically that isn't just like my father was named this. But you're like they're all gonna have these initials.

[DK]

I'm not like against it, but I don't. I wouldn't do that.

[Craig Roback]

I don't want to yuck anyone's yum. I don't feel. I don't have strong feelings about it. Do you?

[Danny Kelly]

I. I've just never occurred to me. And when I. I would just never think of it and then when people do that I'M kind of like, I don't even know. It's not that I judge it or not. I just kind of don't even know where they're coming from.

[DK]

I kind of like it. Like, in the Game of Thrones universe, all the brothers and sisters have, like, very similar names. I kind of think it's cool, but that's in the Game of Thrones universe.

[Craig Roback]

And do you like when the Kardashians name.

[DK]

I'll start with K. Not as much.

[Craig Roback]

No.

[DK]

It doesn't hit the same.

[Danny Kelly]

I forgot about that because Courtney's a kid.

[Craig Roback]

Chris, Courtney, Kendall, Kylie, Chloe.

[Danny Kelly]

I actually never put that together. They're KK's too. We should mix the Kubiaks and the in the Kardashians.

[Craig Roback]

I can't think of a famous person that they would want to date less than a Kubiak.

[DK]

Times are getting rough. Times are getting bad for the Kardashians.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you say Kim didn't pass the bar?

[DK]

Yeah, when she tried to study with AI. What? Where's Tom Tom? Did we pass Tom Tom?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yes. No. I just was gonna do a smattering of just other players that I don't know if I want to endorse, but I just think are acquirable. Courtland, Sutton, because everyone's out in the Broncos. Just pure bilo. If you need a receiver and, like, you can't get any bites, you're like, you know what people give you Courtland, people have no interest in him. And it's like a dart. I don't even know if I endorse that, though. Remandre Stevenson for the Patriots. Just another kind of on principle. You've probably never been easier to get him all season than right now because.

[Craig Roback]

You know, the second he's back. Variables. Slotting him right into the starting 90 snaps.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Part of me thinks Ramantra comes back. It's, you know, even if he misses this week, the Patriots have, like, the easiest running back left for. Sorry, the easiest schedule left for running backs. So for. Munchy does get the job back. He could be pretty incredible. But whoever has him is probably panicking about the injury mixed with Travy on Henderson having a big games. He could kind of strike there.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Craig Roback]

Does have a knee injury also.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's. It. It's probably fake because I think he had that before he had that long run, but people know that.

[Craig Roback]

But sometimes these guys can, like, play through it, finish the game, and then they're actually hurt trying to learn.

[Danny Kelly]

And then just other people that I think are acquirable. Ricky Piercel for the Niners and also just Brian Thomas Jr. For the Jags, which is if you're really hype, if you really just want to take care, like we always talk about, oh, add Luther Burden, and I'm like, you could do that. But also, I think whoever's Brian Thomas, if they're not really high, I think.

[DK]

They'Re like, I think they would give me anyone. I'll give you Brian Thomas.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they want to cut Brian Thomas, but kind of can't out of.

[DK]

Give me anyone of value. I'll give you Brian Thomas because.

[Danny Kelly]

So I think if you just kind.

[Craig Roback]

Of rather have AJ Brown or Brian Thomas.

[DK]

AJ Brown.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, AJ Brown, because he's an ankle spray and he just plays like it. But I don't know. I like. I don't know if you have to give anything up for Brian Thomas because if you're 5 and 5, he's not even playing. He's hurt.

[Craig Roback]

So should we decide now? Should we pick the. The single best trade?

[DK]

Best one.

[Danny Kelly]

I like David Montgomery because I just think he could. I think Dave Montgomery and Derek Henry have, like, crazy ceilings and have.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And you could acquire. It's hard to pick a running back. It's just hard to get a running back.

[DK]

I think my favorite one on here. And. And to be clear, I don't feel great about that about this, but I think that makes him much more acquirable is Derek Henry. I think his ceiling is infinitely higher than any of these other guys that we've talked about. He could be a true league winner.

[Craig Roback]

You're just gonna have to give up a lot because, like, he hasn't been that bad. He's just been okay.

[DK]

Yeah, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

But I think he's. You could.

[DK]

High risk, high reward.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, again, Derek Henry down the stretch last year, like, just looking at the end of last season, the last three games, he had 160 yards, 147 and 138. Yeah.

[DK]

And he had like 190 in week one. So I don't know. I feel like the. The Ravens will get back to where they were at some point here, and he has a chance to just go nuclear. I don't think any of these other guys have a chance to go nuclear. They're more like just good values, you know?

[Danny Kelly]

And A.J. brown also, just out of. I don't know if that's a good idea, but it's. It basically, if you're like, I don't know what's going on my season they're gonna shake it up sometimes.

[DK]

Like fifth place.

[Danny Kelly]

This happens all the time.

[Craig Roback]

Doing the Jack Nicholson nod. Me.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. A player who was bad all year then explodes in every sport, every season. This is fantasy baseball. This is fantasy football, Basketball. We write off, let's say 10 players a year. One or two of the guys always explodes down the stretch. It just. You never. So yeah. A.J. brown. I'm in support of that as well.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[DK]

He's going to.

[Danny Kelly]

He's awful. It's a terrible idea. I don't know why you came up with that ringer. Fantasy league update. I am in first. DK's in second. House are tied for third. Craig and Sean are tied for fifth. Bangkok Craig Mal is all alone in seventh, outside looking at the playoffs. And the Bill is tied for last.

[Craig Roback]

I'm. My team is like the. I'm like the Steelers, actually. I'm gonna sneak into the playoffs and get the. My doors blown off from the wild card around.

[DK]

Blow the bloody doors off you.

[Craig Roback]

I'm like the Packers. I'm so fraudulent.

[DK]

I think my team's a little bit fraudulent too, because I lost both of my starting quarterbacks. I had Jaden and Kyler to start the year. Now I'm going Brissette and Mariota.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[DK]

Which it's fine. But I don't think I'm gonna win.

[Craig Roback]

I really want to get you guys out to LA if you're in the championship. You too.

[DK]

Oh, my God. Playing each other.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I'm cool with that.

[DK]

Win. Win for the podcast.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it's the problem with the fantasy championship, which we haven't talked about before the championship, but the. The NFL schedule is in this awful place where it's between 16 game era in the 18 game era, which is probably two or three years away that they're going to do it. So now the Fantasy championship is Christmas week, which means there's like two to three games. I think. I think three games on Christmas now or two. That's Thursday this year. Then there's also games on Saturday, Sunday and Monday. That's so. It's like. It's so dispersed because it's like Christmas morning. You're like supposed to be with your family or whatever and you're setting your championship lineup. And the. And it's.

[DK]

Hold on, I need to look at my phone.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. I just. That's just wrong.

[Craig Roback]

Daddy would like peace and quiet for Christmas this year. Family.

[Danny Kelly]

And you're between like two people. And you're like, wait, hamstring. He's gonna Play on like Sunday. And I have to make this decision about playing him now on Thursday or not, because that's when my backup. You know what I mean? It's just. It's kind of fragmented. It's kind of crazy.

[Craig Roback]

Wait, I don't believe there are Saturday games. Hyphens. It's just Sunday.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I think there are. They just haven't been assigned yet.

[DK]

Oh.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh.

[Craig Roback]

I'm looking at the schedule. Currently says none, but maybe it'll change.

[Danny Kelly]

So I can double check. But the thought they spared.

[DK]

Yeah, there's. There's four games. Five games here that are. That say tbd.

[Danny Kelly]

There's five Saturday games. No, no, but they're gonna. No, there's only three. Sorry. Two. Two of the five are gonna get moves. They flex them based on the games that like are. They move them. But there are three games on Saturday.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, damn. Well, that sucks.

[DK]

Craig. Craig's disdain towards the schedule. Hate it.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, that. So I only brought that up because you were like, you'll file us out for the championship. Which day? Christmas.

[Craig Roback]

Well, the only thing I guess we could do is like, is if it came down to a crucial Monday night football matchup and like, one of you was down 10 points and had a player. Maybe Rams. Falcons. Is Monday night. One of you Falcons. Puka. And you're down 20. That'd be sweet.

[DK]

We can lie. We can do a live show.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that'd be funny.

[DK]

Watch me tilt.

[Danny Kelly]

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[DK]

Craig?

[Craig Roback]

Nothing. Nothing at all.

[Danny Kelly]

Goddamn right. Got something about ae.com got something against it?

[DK]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

All right. Fantasy Court.

[DK]

Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't really want to be handcuffed.

[Craig Roback]

The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.

[DK]

Craig just in his powdered wig, reading from the dictionary with my monocle. The definition of an object.

[Danny Kelly]

So we have a Couple good fantasy courts here.

[DK]

All right.

[Danny Kelly]

And I actually usually read these and have a strong sense of whose side I'm on.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I really don't know what I think about this one. Okay, so this one's from Richard.

[Craig Roback]

Richie.

[DK]

Our bow.

[Craig Roback]

Anybody seen Richie? You guys, you guys really gotta watch it.

[DK]

Still don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Send me the clip I watch.

[DK]

Probably not gonna watch one day later. Still don't get it.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought you guys were gonna say dick, but yeah, I'm.

[Craig Roback]

I'm so bone. As a 31 year old man who exclusively watches shitty 80s movies, I have no one to talk to.

[DK]

Craig, if you give me a heads up on the rewatchables movies, I'll watch them with you.

[Craig Roback]

I can do that.

[DK]

Because I need to. I need to get back some of them. It makes me very nostalgic for the 80s.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, watch Snake Eyes. That just came out last night. Nick Cage, Brian De Palma, 1998. Good movie.

[DK]

Oh, love it. Anyway, Brian De Palma, he did Scarface, right?

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[DK]

Nice. Okay. Hi, Vince. Go ahead.

[Craig Roback]

Sorry. I like the Palma movies. Blowout with Travolta is a great one. I think I said that recently on a pod.

[Danny Kelly]

This one's from Richard. Right? I did that already. Sorry, I got lost the case here from Arbone. My typical breakfast is just a granola bar and a banana with a glass of apple juice.

[DK]

Apple juice.

[Danny Kelly]

Apple juice in the morning. Interesting. But he says. Now for the urgent matter requiring your assistance, I'm the commissioner of our fantasy league. With my friends we have a stupid rule that whoever finishes in second to last place gets to institute a rule change for the following season with no league vote and no questions asked.

[DK]

Why second to last?

[Craig Roback]

So you try. Makes like the loser bracket more interesting, I guess.

[Danny Kelly]

I guess I have no idea.

[DK]

I feel like second might be the best one.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's probably incentivize the bad teams. Like if you got to change a rule, you'd probably like really try at the end.

[DK]

It's like all about like trying to fix parody maybe or something like that. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

They also do have a severe last place punishment, but they severe severe. So of course this rule comes with the caveat that you do have to roster a real team and you do have to play your best lineup. So in other words, you can't just intentionally tank in the loser's bracket just to get the rule change. And we have a pretty severe last place punishment to further disincentivize foul play. Now usually the rule change.

[DK]

Did he not give the punishment. Now I want to know what the punishment is. I know.

[Danny Kelly]

Now I want to send us the severe punishment.

[DK]

Email him.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Come on. But usually the rule changes the scoring settings like ppr, half ppr, making tight ends get more points perception or adding a super flex or getting rid of it. Well, last year, the 11th place player who we will call Mac Mac Bone Ambone added the controversial rule that Whoever was in last place 10 weeks into the season could force any one for one player trade on their team with the person in first place.

[Craig Roback]

Oh my God.

[Danny Kelly]

And Matt called it the great rebalancing.

[DK]

See, it's the means of production. Okay. This is wild.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So the last.

[DK]

Any other team.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no. The first place team.

[DK]

First place only. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Must accept any trade gonna be Jonathan.

[Craig Roback]

Taylor for Kareem Hunt.

[DK]

Yeah, worse.

[Danny Kelly]

So unsurprisingly, this rule is totally transformed the strategy and integrity.

[DK]

No one wants to be in first.

[Danny Kelly]

Flattening the top of the standings because no one wants to lose their best player. This is like tax cheating on your taxes. But for fantasy. This is like I don't make. It's like I don't make that much money. All of this came crashing down in week 10. Mack was in fourth place entering the week. He is Jonathan Taylor. But Mack had the most points scored on the year. So the three league members on the in the first three at the top of the standings, the people in first, second and third place made a separate group chat with some of the with with each other. And they convinced Max opponent to bench their entire roster.

[DK]

Collusion.

[Danny Kelly]

Mack had already started Jonathan T in the Germany game. So Mack is be going to beat this guy because he's benched his all his players. Then the top three seeds all benched all of their players which forced. So Mack won the top three. He's in fourth.

[Craig Roback]

The top three people lost.

[Danny Kelly]

They all benched their players. So the person Mack who's in fourth place now is in first place after 10 weeks.

[Craig Roback]

Yep.

[DK]

So I thought they had a rule that you had to make your best lineup.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, we're getting that. So now that this has happened, Mack is on top of the standings at 6 and 4 after 10 weeks. Last place is insisting on acquiring Jonathan Taylor straight up for Joe Mixon, who has not played all year and will not play. So Mack is adamant that sitting these players is collusion and goes against the intent of his rule, citing the general requirement to set a real lineup. But people have been manipulating the rosters all season and most of the league is happy to See, Mac is the one to suffer for his own monstrous creation.

[Craig Roback]

So people have already been manipulating their rosters to try to.

[DK]

They don't want to be in first.

[Danny Kelly]

Probably why 6 and 4 is in first place in this league.

[Craig Roback]

I guess there is a difference between manipulating something independently and colluding with others to do it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So. Yeah. So as the commissioner, my first impulse is to push the mix and trade through, then set a leave vote to terminate the role of the season. We're. We're willing to act in whatever way the court seems appropriate. Now, I want to start with this. The act of creating a group chat and conspiring to bench all of your players and then convincing his opponent is the definition of collusion.

[DK]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

So there was collusion. I feel like the question is not whether there was collusion. They are very much breaking the rules by not setting their best lineup. I think the question here is not whether they broke the rules. They absolutely together colluded to break a rule. The question is, is this funny enough to justify breaking the rules, to have this guy be the person? But, like, tell me if you guys agree. There's no question that they colluded to break a very specific rule.

[DK]

Rule.

[Craig Roback]

Wait, and. And the guy who's in first was the guy who got 11th last year.

[Danny Kelly]

He's the guy who got 11th and invented this rule.

[Craig Roback]

The guy.

[Danny Kelly]

The great rebalancing was his idea. So now he has to send John Taylor.

[Craig Roback]

The guy with. John Taylor came up with the role.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[DK]

That wasn't, like, naturally what happened? They, like, colluded to get him into first.

[Craig Roback]

Well, have there been other examples of. Of group collusion this season or.

[Danny Kelly]

I think maybe it's like someone played a player over this. I don't think anyone's benched all. And if they have, that would be. Actually be important to know. I don't. I think we should assume that no one has benched all of their players to take a loss.

[Craig Roback]

I can't tell because this is this guy's rule. It's hilarious. They'll get rid of it after this year. The rule itself sows chaos, and that's what is happening. Like, that was the point of the rule, was to make the season chaos.

[Danny Kelly]

Also.

[DK]

That is one of your core tenets of your league, is that there's going to be a chaotic rule.

[Craig Roback]

Yes.

[DK]

You just have to live with it.

[Craig Roback]

You have to set your best lineup as a rule, even though nobody's been following it.

[Danny Kelly]

I think there's a difference between, like, you're playing Trey Tucker over Alec Pierce and you're going to bet. And then there's like, I'm going to.

[Craig Roback]

Be all my players to lose everyone.

[Danny Kelly]

And then there's everyone colluding to bench all of their players, which probably should. I mean, here's the thing. The right answer here is probably they should have to have set their lineups. Basically whatever lineups were set last week have to be reset for this week. Flip in the obvious bi week players and then whoever ends up in first has to make a trade.

[Craig Roback]

I don't like that they benched all of their players. They started zero people.

[Danny Kelly]

They convinced everyone else to fetch. I think that's the thing is like funny answer here. The funny answer here being removed from it is like, it's funny that this guy made the rule and he has to trade Jonathan Taylor for Joe Mixon. But like obviously it's up to.

[Craig Roback]

I might have been okay with it if they all fielded a roster, but it was just the worst players on their team.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. You know why? You know what? They screwed up. Ronick, can you play the intro again for Fantasy Court?

[DK]

Definitely don't tell him.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the first rule. I don't really want to be handcuffed.

[Craig Roback]

The definition of an object is a material thing.

[DK]

They left a paper trail is touched. Definitely don't tell anybody you're doing.

[Danny Kelly]

It's the first thing we say is.

[Craig Roback]

I can't have this group chat leaked.

[Danny Kelly]

That's.

[DK]

They should have, they should have done a face to face meeting where it can be recorded and then made bad lineups that were somewhat defensible in a court of law. This is, this is just like caught red handed.

[Craig Roback]

If this is sloppy slop.

[Danny Kelly]

The funniest rule, the funniest line in the, in the wire is like there's like a literal meeting of all the drug dealers like a, like a, like a cartel. And they. And then the guy in the corner, the number two, and he comes up and String Idris Elba comes over. He's like, are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy? Give me that. And he like shreds up the paper. That's what they did. They took notes on a criminal conspiracy.

[Craig Roback]

How did, how did Mac find out that there was a group chat?

[Danny Kelly]

Probably when he. Everybody zero points for a third of the league benched all their players.

[Craig Roback]

I would have denied that was happenstance.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they added like other people in the chat too, who weren't part of it.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, unfortunately, I don't, I don't think you should allow this trade.

[DK]

I Think, yeah, like, kudos for the bit, but no good bit.

[Danny Kelly]

We're undoing it. And specifically, I think the simplest thing for the commissioner, because, like, this is the problem, being commissioner, you got to deal with shit like this. Last week's lineups for all three teams and four teams actually, that bench copy paste by weak people or people that didn't play good. Injuries, just the most obvious, honestly, because they did this. The highest scoring person goes in from their bench, and then whoever ends up at first has to do the fucking rebalancing trade.

[DK]

You guys all agreed to make this. To have this be a rule in your league that the 11th place person makes rule. So you made your bet.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. That is insane.

[DK]

You made.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, that's fair. You should just see who would have been in first and then. And then make the trade.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Roback]

What a dis. What a absolutely diabolical rule.

[Danny Kelly]

It's funny though.

[DK]

After week 10.

[Danny Kelly]

It is week 10. It's so funny. Okay.

[DK]

They're all jockeying to be in, like, fourth place. It's pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. That is. That is really funny. The. Actually, the next fantasy court here. I have so many questions about this one. I almost kept it out because I actually really wanted to follow up with this person. I'm checking now. They have not emailed me back, which is too bad. But. No, not yet. It's okay. But I'm gonna read it anyway because I had so many questions. So this. So this is from George.

[DK]

George G. Bone.

[Danny Kelly]

So, George. Hey, guys. Love the show. Breakfast cold brew with a toasted cinnamon raisin bagel, cream cheese, bacon and egg sandwich.

[DK]

Wow.

[Craig Roback]

Cream cheese. Wait, it's a cream cheese, bacon, cream cheese, bacon.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it's bacon and egg.

[Craig Roback]

Or is the cream cheese on the cinnamon bagel?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, it's toast, cinnamon bagel, cream cheese.

[DK]

Bacon and egg sandwich.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, he probably had half a bagel with cream cheese and then bacon and egg. Or do you think it was a cinnamon raisin bagel that had cream cheese, bacon and egg?

[DK]

Yes, the second one.

[Craig Roback]

No, that can't be. A cinnamon raisin bagel with cream cheese, eggs, and bacon.

[DK]

Sure.

[Craig Roback]

A lot going on there. I think he had a cinnamon bagel with cream cheese, which is acceptable, and then a bacon, egg, and cheese.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I think DK is. I think. I think it.

[Craig Roback]

You think it's all in one.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I do, I do. This is a big divide.

[DK]

B.

[Danny Kelly]

This is a big divide between. I feel like there's a. A coastal elitism to what can be on a breakfast sandwich. Frankly, And I'm part of it.

[Craig Roback]

But a coastal elitism.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just being honest. I don't know what else to call it. Upping us like. Like, I think New York, I'm part of it. New Yorkers. Gatekeep. What can go on a breakfast sandwich?

[Craig Roback]

But look, it's not what can go on. It's. It's the combination of flavors. It's not. I'm not upset that it's cream cheese.

[DK]

Or it's cinnamon raisin is what you're.

[Craig Roback]

It's things that go together.

[Danny Kelly]

The cream cheese with bacon and egg is. Is the.

[DK]

Is.

[Danny Kelly]

Is the sin here. Cinnamon raisin.

[Craig Roback]

And the cinnamon raisin is weird.

[Danny Kelly]

I think.

[Craig Roback]

I think the weirdest part of the whole thing is combining cinnamon raisin with egg was.

[DK]

Does the bacon, egg and cheese sandwich that's so famous in New York, is that what it is? Those are the three things. Does it have, like. Is it dry? Does it have, like, butter or. There's no cream cheese or whatever. I forget.

[Danny Kelly]

It's butter. Butter.

[DK]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Or not.

[Craig Roback]

I mean. Or it's just a toasted bagel.

[Danny Kelly]

If you've paid for money for baconing and cheese, there's butter on it.

[Craig Roback]

But like, it's. It's egg, you know, Or. Or you get like ketchup or hot sauce or something.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, there's massive disparities in what cream cheese.

[DK]

Let's follow up with this guy.

[Craig Roback]

I think cinnamon raisin and egg is. Is. Is the part that stands out to me. That's.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, George let us know.

[Craig Roback]

So anyway, I like the idea of egg, bacon, cream cheese. I'm willing to give that a shot. That sounds kind of good, actually.

[Danny Kelly]

So George writes, this isn't. I don't think this is a case. I just have questions and I wanted to read this to you guys, and I want to know what questions we want. Back the. To George here. George says, I'm going to leave with my best friend since seventh grade. His wife. His friends with one of their wives as well. And he has this whole thing where he kind of sets it up where he kind of thinks his friend might be doing the wife. You know, maybe some famous. With the trades. But that's not the part that's interesting to. I have questions about. So George writes, my friend, we'll call him Nick, has been the commissioner and introduced me to fantasy and have fallen off. Has fallen in love with it. This year, something weird has happened in the league. We have three people with the same team name. Our commissioner, apparently Nick and another player who I don't know. Has copied someone's team name, Greg to make it difficult to know which manager is actually the real one. They're all named Greg.

[Craig Roback]

No problem.

[Danny Kelly]

Greg.

[Craig Roback]

No problem with that. That's funny.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the ringer league. Like the ringer league is everywhere.

[DK]

The ringer league, everyone's named Danny Kelly.

[Danny Kelly]

Which was Craig Start and then Craig. Everyone did it and then Craig got out.

[DK]

So anyway, the Lemons and Bail.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So we have three teams named Greg. One is the real Greg, one is Nick, one is unknown. And I didn't really see a problem with this until I tried to negotiate a trade with Nick and he wouldn't give me a straight answer on which team was actually his. And he finally gave me an answer, but then he just joked that he actually had two teams.

[DK]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

And this. And then George writes, this upset me. The commissioner might have two teams. Because if that was true, that's obviously cheating. Fast forward two weeks, I found out the team he told me isn't actually his, but the real Greg. What the fuck? My question, is my friend, the commissioner being untrustworthy or am I overreacting?

[Craig Roback]

How do you not know who's in your league?

[Danny Kelly]

That's what I said. What do you mean you don't know who this person is? He doesn't know if he's like, it's like Kaiser Soze in fantasy. He thinks the 10th person is league doesn't exist.

[Craig Roback]

Did he say they've been in this since seventh grade?

[Danny Kelly]

His friend is from seventh grade. But I think he's like. Like he's that guy who doesn't know everybody.

[DK]

So yeah, he's in a. In a league with my best friend, his wife. He's like the out of towner and his friends.

[Craig Roback]

But like, is there a group chat? Count the amount of people in the group chat.

[Danny Kelly]

That's what I said. I. That you could just not know. Like, look, everyone is a league where maybe you don't know the 10.

[DK]

I don't think it's that uncommon to not really know everybody in the league.

[Craig Roback]

But also like, whatever platform you're using, like Yahoo. You can go in and see like, it's like, it's like Instagram where you have a handle but also a name. You can go in and actually see the owner of the team.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the funny part. Dk. It's not that they don't know. It's like he's this guy. Inability to identify the person when I'm like, is George a boomer who can't click on a team and find the email, find the person's name. There's no group chat. You can't even ask someone whose number is this? Like, like, to me, the idea that there actually might be nine teams in a league and the commissioner has made a burner team that is just propping up him and his wife's team is like the fact that that was even possible.

[Craig Roback]

He's getting fantasy catfished.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. It's a fantasy catfish situation. He's wondering if the commissioner is fantasy catfishing him with three teams named Greg.

[Craig Roback]

It's a hot blonde woman named Lauren.

[DK]

What's going on with this?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. Greg Tuyasa Sopo out over here is like fucking running one of these 10.

[Craig Roback]

The 10th manager in league is this really pretty blonde lady. She wants to make a trade with me, but she, she wants to do it in person. She seems great.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. It's like all the Instagram and the ringer fantasy football, the Instagram. There's all these, like, beautiful women in bikinis who want to help us build.

[Craig Roback]

She just credit card information and then we'll do the trade.

[Danny Kelly]

It's so crazy.

[Craig Roback]

I like the idea of getting fantasy catfished.

[Danny Kelly]

Fantasy catfished by a team. And you're like, who the fuck runs?

[Craig Roback]

Doesn't exist.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like the Charlie Kelly be from Suddy where he's just like, Pepe silly Carol, Carol.

[Craig Roback]

It's like that lady on the plane. That man does not exist. That team isn't real.

[Danny Kelly]

That motherfucker is not real. So I, I, there's no case here. I just was, like, blown away by this person not being able to identify who the 10th person in the league is.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, I, I need you to do some digging, George, if it because I.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I actually don't want them to respond yet. And I do want you to email back, George. My fear was that they would respond and be like, oh, I just clicked on the name and it's Bill. And I was like, oh, that would have been disappointing. I, like, I wanted to keep alive the idea that the commissioner has two teams. Anyway, I thought that was really funny.

[DK]

Three teams named Greg, three teams named Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. All right, Billy. George probably just is a boomer. Anyway, we got some emails here.

[DK]

Emails.

[Danny Kelly]

This one's from Jake with all the discussion about the name Jug.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, Jug.

[Danny Kelly]

I wanted to bring your to your attention that the Minnesota Vikings kick returner Miles Price is nicknamed Jug in the locker room because his head looks like a Jug.

[DK]

His head looks like a Jug.

[Danny Kelly]

The Vikings have decided his team. His head looks like a jug. And while you look that up, Minnesota. So the Minnesota Star Tribune wrote a story where they quoted the special teams coordinator who said. Asked about why his nickname is Jug, the special teams coordinator said, and I quote, his head looks like a jug.

[Craig Roback]

It's a little jug. Like, I suppose it's kind of a rounder head.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like it's a picture. I feel like I need a360 to see the real jug. Like, it just kind of looks like a head to me.

[DK]

I know he looks pretty normal to.

[Danny Kelly]

Me, but they can see the head from all angles.

[Craig Roback]

I'm talking about legally.

[DK]

Legally named their Christian because they were baptized Jug.

[Craig Roback]

Jug Earp was not his real name. That was his.

[Danny Kelly]

Jug Earp.

[DK]

I hereby baptize Jug.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, yeah. Craig and Liz are bringing their baby jug over today.

[DK]

Oh, man is a funny word, because.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't even know the right word. How many things even qualify? What's. What is a jug? I mean, I own a jug.

[DK]

It's a vessel to hold water.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. That's kind of it. Like a Gatorade jug.

[Danny Kelly]

But even that. What. What actual shape? What is the jug?

[Craig Roback]

Is it just like how the jug is a large cylinder?

[DK]

I'm seeing all kinds of different.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm realizing now I care.

[DK]

It's like a pitcher. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But it's a jug of water. But I'm like, what is a jug?

[Craig Roback]

Big cylinder that you put liquid in.

[Danny Kelly]

But like the Gatorade. That's not a. Is that a jug? Not like I'm like, getting the.

[Craig Roback]

It's kind of like a jug with a top.

[DK]

Like a. There's a plastic gallon jug. Like a jug of milk.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I guess people say jug of gallon jug, huh?

[DK]

When you say jug a lot, it starts to sound real weird. Yeah.

[Craig Roback]

The definition of jug is a large container for liquids with a narrow mouth and typically a stopper or cap.

[DK]

There you go.

[Craig Roback]

So I guess it is just a pitcher.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Well, that's like a growler thing. Definition of a jug.

[Craig Roback]

Why is a pitcher called a pitcher, Craig? I don't know what the.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not pitching.

[DK]

Why is anything named anything?

[Danny Kelly]

It should be called a poorer.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. Like, I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

That is, like, you would definitely like. Hey, can I pitch you some water?

[DK]

Because you.

[Craig Roback]

When you pitch something, you're throwing it.

[DK]

You're pitching the. The. The layer or the level over and the water flies out.

[Danny Kelly]

Pitch.

[DK]

Yeah, it's pitched to an angle, and then the water comes out.

[Danny Kelly]

What Pitching means you're.

[DK]

It's a pit. It's pitched like you pitch it to the side.

[Craig Roback]

Like there's a slope.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Is that what pitching means? Like something. It's not just throwing? Hold on.

[Craig Roback]

It does say.

[DK]

Here's the deal. A lot of words mean more than one thing.

[Craig Roback]

The second definition of pitch is the steepness of a slope.

[DK]

There you go. The pitch. You change the pitch and the water falls out.

[Craig Roback]

And I guess that does make sense with it with a pitcher in baseball even, huh?

[Danny Kelly]

So there's. Pitchers both pitch and throw, and they.

[Craig Roback]

Change the angle and. Yeah. And they're even throwing from a mound. So this. There's a slope also.

[DK]

It just could be the same word. Means two different things.

[Craig Roback]

Pitchers.

[Danny Kelly]

Pitchers.

[Craig Roback]

Perfectly named.

[Danny Kelly]

Satisfy all three things. That's. That's amazing, actually. It's like super. Right. Name.

[Craig Roback]

Which position name is the least accurate to what they actually do as a player?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, shortstop's the coolest name, but the worst name.

[Craig Roback]

Oh, shortstop's the coolest name.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I think the worst name is offensive tackle. Because your whole point, like, don't get anyone tackled.

[Craig Roback]

Don't get anyone tackled.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like the opposite of what you do. Yeah. There is no offensive tackling.

[DK]

I mean, that. Yeah, that's it right there.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. No, it's not a thing. The best name is center. Because they have to be like, you know, you're right.

[Craig Roback]

Offense. I'm trying to think. I'm, like, running through basketball. They all make sense. Goalie makes sense.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, shooting guard is funny because all of them shoot. But.

[DK]

Yeah, quarterback doesn't really make any sense anymore either.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. Quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

No, quarterbacks. Quarterback's like a vestigial name. Yeah.

[DK]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

It made sense at the time.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Halfback.

[Craig Roback]

I mean, catcher is rock solid.

[Danny Kelly]

Catcher is top tier.

[DK]

You say the word catcher, you know exactly what that guy's doing.

[Danny Kelly]

Pitcher. Catcher.

[Craig Roback]

Center. Goalie. Pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

Goalie's like a little like.

[DK]

Like a. Yeah, Goalie's like a little fun, little pizzazz.

[Danny Kelly]

He's the goalie. Yeah. The other one. That's funny. Guard. Guards. Perfect. Offensive. Like in football, like he does. Guard. They should all be called guards.

[Craig Roback]

The goalie should really be, like, the stopper.

[Danny Kelly]

Stopper. Yeah. That's good.

[DK]

There is a position, isn't there, in soccer, called a stopper?

[Danny Kelly]

Striker.

[DK]

Well, there's also a striker.

[Danny Kelly]

Soccer has a position called stopper.

[Craig Roback]

I was unaware of that. Stopper. Are you sure?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think that's true.

[DK]

Yeah. Stopper in soccer is a Defensive player, typically a center back. Maybe that's just like in soccer. I don't know. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

I've watched 30 soccer games in my home.

[DK]

I don't know if they still do stopper and like FIFA or whatever, but it was at one point something that they used to describe.

[Danny Kelly]

Unlike a more free roaming sweeper, according to Gemini, the stopper is the more physically imposing player. So he's the strong safety, the cam.

[DK]

Chancellor, if you will.

[Danny Kelly]

Thomas.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, yeah, I would say punter. Right on the nose. Punter, kicker.

[Danny Kelly]

Should this be power?

[DK]

Wide receiver is pretty good.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Wide receiver.

[Craig Roback]

I mean running back is pretty good.

[DK]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Running back is good. Tight end is tight end describes where they stand solid. So they name describes where you line up. So the top. So his pitcher get its own tier because it means like three different. I think pitcher satisfying every definition is crazy.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. But pitcher actually. No. Yeah, you're right. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

But then no notes is like catcher, center kicker, punter.

[Craig Roback]

I mean third base man is pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

First base man, that's pretty good. Third baseman. Yeah, that's pretty good.

[DK]

He's the man on first face. Descriptive.

[Craig Roback]

That's.

[Danny Kelly]

Those are pretty good. Baseball's figured it out.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah. Baseball, baseball.

[DK]

The names haven't changed because the sport hasn't really changed.

[Danny Kelly]

It's really just every name's right except shortstop, which is just kind of cool sounding.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Roback]

I'm glad we did that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, me too.

[Craig Roback]

That was really worthwhile.

[DK]

What other sports are we? Basketball. Now they just number them.

[Craig Roback]

If I could name the hockey positions, I would, but I. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it's forward, there's center and forward and. But it's complicated because what are the defensive players?

[DK]

Hockey, center, right wing, left wing, right defense, left defense and goalie.

[Craig Roback]

There's no defensive positions. They're just called all just defensemen.

[DK]

Right defense, left defense.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know, I think it's just defenseman with a C, which is Canadian, I guess. Anyway, you guys want. Should we end the show or do you want a little science?

[Craig Roback]

I'll take a little science.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[DK]

Give me a little. Give me just a scope, a little taste.

[Danny Kelly]

All right. This is from Brooke.

[Craig Roback]

Brooke B.

[DK]

Bone.

[Danny Kelly]

So Brooke, who has sent us great physics stuff in the past, wanted to one clarify the temperature of the sun. Trivia question.

[DK]

Thank you.

[Danny Kelly]

Where we all felt a little dumb because it was 10,000 degrees. Oh yeah, she. Well said. So Brooke says. I think that trivia question did you all a little dirty because. Yes, the surface of the sun is 10,000 degrees. Fahrenheit. But the core of the sun is hot AF like 27 million degrees. And even the outer. Better atmosphere. The outer atmosphere of the sun is like over a million degrees. So we actually were kind of close. What did it.

[DK]

What did we say? I can't even remember.

[Danny Kelly]

We. You said 100. Craig said 500. I said a million or somewhat. Something like that.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And I remember because I was literally thinking of those three numbers, and then you two said the other two.

[DK]

I did? Oh, yeah. I was like, I wanted to say a million. Then I went a little lower.

[Danny Kelly]

So.

[DK]

Okay, well, that makes me feel better.

[Danny Kelly]

We also spent a long time talking about how do you know the temperature of the sun? DK was like, it's like an anal thermometer. Brook said that's actually exactly correct.

[DK]

Probe.

[Danny Kelly]

No, just kidding. No, that's obviously wrong. She said they know how hot the surface is, much like how you can tell the temperature of heated metal by its glow. We all knew that it's based on color, the wavelength. Wavelength of the light coming off it. We know the core temperature of the sun because we understand the fusion reactions going on in the core of the sun. And that has to be how hot or it has to be that hot for them the fusion reactions to work.

[DK]

Hmm.

[Craig Roback]

The sun is scary. Sounds.

[DK]

It is.

[Danny Kelly]

Sounds nuts.

[DK]

It's so hot.

[Craig Roback]

Sometimes I think about, like, everything that's going on in space, and I'm like, man, I really hope everything is just stable, you know, it's.

[DK]

Craig, I heard that they're. The sun's shooting extra rays at us these days just in this specific time, which means we could get some aurora borealis going on. The fact that northern lights.

[Danny Kelly]

That's one of the most underrated things that's happening is like, I don't know what's on. Global warming. We're all kind of numb to it. The fact that anything's going on where. Like the northern lights, where. You have to go to Scandinavia to see this in certain times of the year, and if it's cloudy, you're. And they're like, yeah, it's kind of just gonna happen wherever now. That's crazy.

[DK]

Well, no, it's. I think it's. Well, I read something about this. I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

Solar flares.

[DK]

I'm not obviously not an expert on anything science, but apparently the sun goes through stages of activity where it's more reactive and whatnot, and it shoots whatever it is that shoots at the. At the Earth. The. The rays of things, energy particles. I don't Know what the fuck I'm talking about? But anyways, it shoots stuff towards us, and then when that hits the atmosphere, that's what helps create the northern lights. So there's periods of more northern light activity which we. I saw the northern lights, like, I don't know, maybe a year ago or six months ago or something. It was huge where I live, which is very, very rare. And I guess it was because there was just more sun activity. And they go in cycle. It goes in cycles of, like, 10 years.

[Danny Kelly]

And you know what the aurora borealis is? Fucking plasma.

[DK]

Plasma.

[Danny Kelly]

And Brooke said plasma is okay. I was like, what's plasma? She's really easy. Solid is locked, Atoms not going anywhere. Liquid loosely held together, atoms kind of just hanging on. And then gas is when atoms are just flying everywhere. Like. Like, just flying all the time. Like, that's gas. And. But as energy increases, atoms go insane. Plasma is next level. Plasma is the fourth state of matter where there's so much energy, the fucking electrons break apart, leave the protons, and there's a soup of free electrons all bouncing around like a chaotic ocean of electricity. And that's what the sun is made of.

[DK]

Wow, that is scary.

[Craig Roback]

See, you know what I mean? I'm like, ah, that's. That seems unstable.

[DK]

I always think about this, like, the sun is however many million miles away, it's like fucking far away. And the difference in temperature in the sun and the shade is, like, pretty dramatic.

[Craig Roback]

I know.

[DK]

Think about how fucking far away the sun is. Like, I'm just like, that is insane to me.

[Danny Kelly]

That's why people come to the show, because last week we were like, sun's hot. Now we're like, sun's far, dude.

[DK]

The sun is far and hot.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[DK]

The slight tilt of the Earth is what makes the seasons. That's why right now, all the leaves are falling off by trees.

[Craig Roback]

I know.

[DK]

It is actually wild.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's crazy to just think about. It's pretty amazing.

[DK]

Calvin's like, why is it so dark? I picked him up at daycare the other day, and he was like, why are you so late? I'm like, I'm not late. It's just. It gets dark earlier and you're like.

[Danny Kelly]

So listen here, Calvin, we're actually moving at 70,000 miles an hour around the sun.

[DK]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

All right. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ronnie. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Email us more Fantasy courts, ringofantasy football gmail.com George, let us know what's going on with this 10th person. George. My God. Any other fantasy catfishing let us know that science if we had our fill emails trivia questions as well about anything. Yeah. Fantasy football.torino.com for rankings this week. Thank you Lord.

[Craig Roback]

Lord.

[DK]

Thank you. The Killers.

[Danny Kelly]

Nice.

[Craig Roback]

Nice.

[DK]

Trying to think of a sun related. What's a sun related band?

[Danny Kelly]

Casey and the Sunshine Band.

[DK]

Sunny, Sonny and Cher.

[Craig Roback]

Casey in the Sunshine Band. Great one.

[DK]

Oh yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Sonny and share. Yeah, I'm glad you got that right. Glad you you nailed that.

[Craig Roback]

Still can't believe that Sonny.

[Danny Kelly]

What the is the O there for.

[Craig Roback]

The word S O n?

[DK]

We don't have to get into it. I didn't know it was funny, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

Who says Sonny? Did people in your life say that? Say one E like, hey, Sonny, if.

[Craig Roback]

That'S you're my son.

[Danny Kelly]

She's like, what if Sonny boy.

[DK]

Listen to your Sonny boy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's literally like goalie for a person's name.

[DK]

Yeah. You had an I E on the.

[Danny Kelly]

End of it or you had a son. You're like sunny. It's like the least creative thing.

[Craig Roback]

No one's ever been named Sonny. It's like the. There are famous Sonny Liston.

[Danny Kelly]

Sonny.

[Craig Roback]

Sonny from Godfather. You know what I mean?

[DK]

Sonny Jurgensen thought it was like every.

[Danny Kelly]

Other name spelled that way. I'm like Ronnie. Like, I wouldn't say Ronnie, but like the.

[Craig Roback]

The baseball player Sonny Gray. What did you think his name was?

[Danny Kelly]

I was confused.

[DK]

He thought it was Sonny Craig.

[Craig Roback]

You never heard anyone say Sonny Gray's name?

[Danny Kelly]

I saw in the Yankees and I was like, why do they say it like this? This is weird.

[Craig Roback]

You know, they were all wrong.

[Danny Kelly]

Surely if his name is Sonny, there'd be a U.

[DK]

Surely you can't be serious.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, dude. The earth.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a perfect. That is the best example of culture being like the Paul Newman thing. That line is known by people saw Airplane and then there was a generational gap and then was people who saw the end of call of duty 4.

[Craig Roback]

And then what line?

[DK]

Surely you can't be serious.

[Danny Kelly]

There's a reference to that in call of Duty 4, which was the biggest video game ever at the time. And that is how everyone learned about that line of my age personally.

[DK]

It's all cyclical. It's like I saw. I got to witness Heifet's realizing that Warren g sampled Michael McDonald.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that was wild. Regulate was like, what? Regulate sampling Michael McDonald. I couldn't gotten in a trillion years.

[Craig Roback]

Dude, how is the Earth spinning at 1,000 miles per hour?

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, this is wild.

[DK]

I don't know, Craig.

[Craig Roback]

The Earth is spinning right now at 1,000 miles per hour.

[DK]

You're gonna spin off this planet. Why don't we. Why don't we just fly off?

[Craig Roback]

You ever hear like that? You're like, I can see how people don't believe that.

[DK]

Oh, yeah, well, that's the whole point. The whole point of, like, people having conspiracy theories. It's like you just don't understand what's happening with your own.

[Craig Roback]

It's mind bottling, you know, it's so crazy in a bottle.

[Danny Kelly]

Just.

[Craig Roback]

I don't know. If some. If I walked up to somebody, I was like, this earth is moving 67, 000 miles per hour right now, and it's spinning 1,000 miles per hour while doing that. Somebody be like, no way. Rogers would be like, no way.

[DK]

He was like, I'm not a doctor, but you know what? There's no way.

[Craig Roback]

He's like, Rogers.

[Danny Kelly]

If you get up to him, like, I think the Earth's completely still. He'd be like, like, no way. But it's moving fast.

[Craig Roback]

Yeah, it's whatever you say, like that.

[Danny Kelly]

That's actually how we should convince the flat Earthers. We're like, I think they're super flat. And they're like, nah, I bet this shit's around.

[DK]

What's the conspiracy that you believe the most?

[Danny Kelly]

Can I give you one that I actually organically thought of? And I'm sure other people have come up.

[DK]

You came up with this conspiracy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's kind of the same way. You come up with an idea. I'm like, I'm sure other people have had this idea, but it's not mainstream. I've never heard it from anyone else. I just kind of was like, that doesn't make sense. I don't believe this story. So you know how, like, William McKinley was president and Teddy Roosevelt was vice president? William McKinley was shot by this random guy?

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Teddy Roosevelt totally had William McKinley killed.

[DK]

Why?

[Danny Kelly]

Because big picture, everything you know about Teddy Roosevelt is he's like this unstoppable force of nature. He's like a total hawk. He's like a Winston Churchill. Like a lifelong. Like, we're going to war. Like, Before World War I, when America did enter World War I, Teddy Roosevelt took a region, like a group of people, and went to upstate New York and trained for the war for, like, three years until they entered so they'd be ready. Like, he's just a very, like, deterministic, manifest destiny. I like person. And the idea that and he was so politically powerful that they put him at vice president because vice president was like useless at the time. It was like a career ending thing. And they stuck him there to get rid of Teddy Roosevelt and his career. And the idea that Teddy Roosevelt is one of the most influential people in the history of the United States of America just so happened. How lucky. What a lucky break for Teddy Roosevelt to become president because the guy ahead of him was shot by a totally random guy for no reason. Just doesn't.

[DK]

Just doesn't make stuck who stuck him at vice president?

[Danny Kelly]

The leaders of the Bull Moose Illuminati. His part. It's kind of like how Pete Buttigieg got fucking transportation secretary. They're like, go do something boring. Like they just didn't want. You know what I mean? But that was vice president at the time.

[DK]

I mean, I can't disprove this.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I can't either. I'm probably wrong, but I just. It just seems like quite the coincidence for the what in every other context of his life was the most like, aggressive fuck. Teddy Roosevelt had his seat. He lowered the couch in the Oval Office so he could fucking peer over people. It like be taller than them. He'd stare them down. I'm like, I kind of think he just had.

[DK]

He was a pretty big badass.

[Danny Kelly]

I knew all this before. I just was kind of like thinking about it like this.

[DK]

He put two and two together.

[Craig Roback]

Why are you such a Teddy Roosevelt head?

[Danny Kelly]

He's an important guy.

[Craig Roback]

A lot of important people.

[DK]

I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[DK]

Because he was manly. That's why.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[DK]

He was the original.

[Danny Kelly]

Also save football. Teddy Roosevelt's actually the one who made too many people are dying football playing football. And he was the one who's like wear helmets like the packers, you know? You know that Romeo Dobs.

[DK]

Without knowing a lot about Teddy Roosevelt. He was a badass. That's why. Craig.

[Craig Roback]

Okay.

[DK]

That's all.

[Craig Roback]

Just. Just curious. There was no, no, no negative intent in there. Just asking why you're interested in Teddy.

[Danny Kelly]

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