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Power Ranking NFL Rules We Want Changed, the One Second Christmas Song Challenge, and Fantasy Court
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Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyperthen. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korol Beckett. Today it is Power Hour, where we power rank something every Wednesday. And today we are power ranking the rules we want to change in the NFL. We're going over Power Hour. We're changing rules. We're doing fantasy court, and we're going to do the one second song challenge for Christmas songs. And we'll do some kind of Preview for week 17. Deacon's already shaking his head.
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A lot going on in this episode. A lot going on.
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I still look like I'm in, you know, like, Breaking Bad when they want to show. It's like the Mexico filter on Netflix or. Yeah, I look like a Monarchos with my orange. Like the Marty supreme ping pong ball. So that's fun. And then. Yeah. And Craig and I have our Christmas sweaters on. And DK says he doesn't own any Christmas gear.
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C
Bah humbug.
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A
Yeah, that's a Scrooge thing to say.
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B
Bah humbug is. Yes.
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C
And not only that, DK seemed like the most muted shirt and hat.
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B
Craig, this is the most colorful shirt I own.
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Even the Grinch actually has pop. The color scheme, you know.
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B
Shoot. Sorry, guys. I. I actually, I. I quite honestly don't have any Christmas gear.
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C
The Grinch is a nice, vibrant green.
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He is.
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C
Why is the Grinch green?
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It's just Sad.
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It's a Dr. Seuss story.
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I watched the new one this week and I cried. It was great.
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C
What? Which one was the new one?
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Well, the newer. The new animated one. It's the one where Tyler, the creator, does the song in the beginning. It's like animated. It's like halfway between the old one and the. The Jim Carrey Mania.
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C
Oh, interesting. I have not seen that one.
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It's. It's pretty great.
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C
I recently watched Klaus. Have you seen that movie Animated?
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Oh, I heard about this.
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Maybe.
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I heard it was good.
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It's very good. I recommend it.
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Oh, interesting.
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Okay, we'll power in Christmas movies later. We're gonna go through all that stuff and then also follow us on Instagram TikTok Ringer. Fancy football. The Discord link is in the episode description. And if you tried yesterday and it expired. Sorry, there's a new one in this episode description, so check out the Discord. It is very fun. Check out the Discord and. Okay, with all that said, we're gonna take a quick break. This episode is brought to you by United Airlines Flying. Just got easier with the United Airlines app. Get real time flight updates like a live countdown clock to boarding even if your screen's locked, as well as play by play directions through the airport with a personalized map. And if you want to make a game time decision and go home early or stay longer, there are no fees to change your flight. Get the united app@united.com app no fees to change your flight excludes basic economy applies to flights originating in the US Fare difference may apply this episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter. This season, fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money trade banking fees for fee free banking, 1.5% cash back getting paid when you say and a higher APY in your savings. That's a lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the secured Chime Visa credit card provided by the Bancorp Bank NA or Stride Bank NA members FDIC optional services and products may have fees or charges details@chime.com fees info with a qualifying direct deposit earn 1.5% cash back on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com power hour time we are power ranking rules that we want changed. And unfortunately, disrespect to TomTom. We decided some of these rules might take way more than two minutes and some are gonna be like 20 seconds. But we have a bunch of rules. That was kind of inspired by the Monday conversation we had. But guys, you sent me the rules you want to change. I had a bunch. I'm here. And also the reason it looks so orange and everything. I'm at Jackie's brother's home. We're here for Christmas. I ran that. I asked Jackie's family for rules. I don't know if you guys. Did you guys solicit any outside opinions here?
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C
I asked Liz. She didn't have any.
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No.
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That's crazy.
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C
Too many games is what she said.
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Shorten the season. Liz also made the best comment of the season, which was like the guys batting the ball away from the end zone on a punt. And this was like, what's that?
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C
She's like, that's not. That can't be football. What the hell was that?
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It's a good take. I organize these from most realistic to least. I basically have three categories here, which are rules we want and also things that actually might happen this off season. And then rules that we actually think would improve the NFL. But we don't think the NFL will do. And then just what would the Savannah Bananas do if they did football? Banana ball. And those are. We're going to go stilts. Stilts? Yeah. Guys on stilts. Tackling, flamethrowers, clowns. I like the Savannah Bananas, though.
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C
I do, too. Why not? I mean, they're great. They sell out so much. Also, the guy who owns it is cool. He's, like, not jacking up any of the prices. He's never going to sell it.
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Yellow suit. TK do you have a yellow suit? You should have put that on for this.
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I would have if I did, but I don't.
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Oh. All right. So with that said, I want to get into the power over here. Should we play TomTom once just to kick it off, Just to make ourselves.
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B
Feel good, feel the vibes?
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C
Sure.
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Okay. Just one Tom Tom. Merry Christmas to Tom Tom. I want to start with the number one best rule. And this is a rule that I think actually needs to happen in the NFL. Might actually do, but number one. Craig, you sent this. We have to unjuice the kicking balls.
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C
Unjuice the kicking balls, Slash and. Or change the field position rules.
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B
Let.
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Let's.
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C
Let's go back to 2024. The NFL introduced the dynamic kickoffs, which is the thing we see now that does not resemble the game I knew and loved on every kickoff where, like, nobody moves and it's all bizarre. Anyway, last year when they implemented that, the. The starting line, where the field position was 30 yards after a touchback, you started the 30 yard line. Then in 2025, they moved that up even more to the 35 yard line. That plus the K, the K balls, which sounds like a drug. The K which allows you to work, basically work in the football for the entire season. It used to be you only had that day. It used to be like it was game day. And you had to like massage the balls to the point where they were less slick, easier to kick, allows you to be more accurate. Now the NFL allows you to do that the entire season. So these teams get basically unlimited time to. To massage these balls, which is good.
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Usually.
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C
That's good. You want a lot of time for that.
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B
We don't. We don't shame that usually. Except for a list instance.
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C
Yeah, but now these kickers are more accurate than ever. They can kick it further than ever. And field position is better than ever, which has resulted in the most field goals we've ever seen. Not only from close range, but at long range. Two weeks ago, we saw Philip Rivers Playing the Seahawks, he completed two passes for 19 yards and that was enough to get his team into field goal position to kick a game tying field goal against the Seahawks. And I hate that teams are just field position merchants now. And if you look at the numbers, it's crazy of what's happening with field goals over the last 10 years, five years even two years. Ten years ago, kickers made 104 field goals of 50 plus. This year we're already at 195. So it's doubled in 10 years. Last year when they changed the kickoff rules, there were 15 attempts of 60 plus yards. 15. Four of those were made, which is 26%. 26% of 60 plus yard field goals were made last year. This year the numbers 50%.
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Damn.
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C
And we've already kicked 20 of them.
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You know this reminds me of the 2060 yarders.
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C
We have 20 attempts already of 60 plus yarders and we've made 10.
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And just to context that 1060 yard field goals made this season, there were four 60 yard field goals made in the entire 20th century and they were all last year.
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B
You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of like when a little kid decides they don't want their turtle anymore, so they release it into the local pond and then after four generations, the turtles have completely eradicated some like, you know what I mean? Like they've completely taken over the ecosystem and like killed all.
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C
At what cost?
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B
Yeah, like killed all the other certain animal. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but you know what I mean. They fucked with the ecosystem. They're changing football for the worse. Craig, the last two seasons, not only like everything you said, totally agree with all that. The last two seasons, to put it simply, are the most field goals made per game ever. Like who wants this? The least actual football part of football is now. Well, I know that the name is like football, but the least actual spiritual part of football is now fucking field goals. Who wants this? Why is this good? No one wants this.
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The I think that the NFL had two parallel things they were working on and they didn't really think enough about the the confluence where they meet because they were trying to make the kickoff safer and they were but still get returns which they've totally succeeded at with the dynamic kickoff. Like there are more kickoffs and I think it's worked like there's way more kick returns. And they also basically, I think some teams were probably fudging the cable thing and they wanted, I don't know what why they decided to let the cable thing happen. But basically what they've done is they made field goals into participation trophies. Because when we were growing up, this is my first real back in my day rant. But you used to need 50 yards to get in scoring position. Like, you would get the touchback at the 20 and you would need about 50 yards to get to the other team's 30. And that was field goal range. And now the kickoff, the touchback is at the 35 and you just have to cross the 50. So we've gone from needing 50 yards to. If you're Dallas, you need like 15.
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Which that's so ridiculous. Awful.
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It's terrible. Which would you rather change the cables or the field position?
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The cables. And I don't think it's close for two reasons. One, the kickoff has worked. The whole reason they changed the kickoff was can we get kick returns while not basically the NFL, you know, I don't want to pretend like they care too much about safety and head and concussions and everything, but punts and kickoffs were disproportionately really high risk plays for concussions. And the NFL was like, wait, why do the percentage wise. The most at risk concussion play is the most boring one where people get up to piss. Like, why are guys getting concussed on plays that fans are leaving their seats and pissing in the bathroom?
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They.
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That's insane. So they're like, can we make it interesting but not dangerous anymore. So that's why they have done all these rules, which is just to line the guys up 10 yards apart so they're not running full speed at each other. It's so that they can kind of block and they're not having really dangerous plays. So my short version is that's worked. They've actually kind of. I think it's okay to keep the kickoff as it is because it's safer and there are more returns. And I like the kickoffs being returned. I think the answer then is we shouldn't have the balls be worked in. Like, it's like. It's a base. It's like a baseball glove. Getting one day to work it in is different than months. And I think we should just go back to how it was a couple of years ago. Stop letting teams beat the crap out of the balls and just. Thank you for trying to be mature as I said that. Go back to having 60 yard kicks be kind of hard.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How many third string kickers have we seen this year? I had to look this up, but I Off the top of my head, they're logs. The niners made a third string kicker this year. Made a 60 yard field goal. I believe the, I believe the packers backup kicker made a 60 yard field goal. I think there's been two or three 60 yarders by second or third string kickers which. That's stupid.
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Here are the 60 yards hit this year. Brandon Aubrey has three. Everybody else here, the rest of the guys have one. Chris Boswell, Chase McLaughlin, Evan McPherson, Lucas Haver, sick, Blake Groupie, Will Reichard, Cam Little. That's the list.
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Three of those guys were cut. Like that's, that's kind of the point. So anyway, I think we should go back to the world where 60 yarders are impressive and we unjuice the cake.
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Start on the 25. I don't like starting on the 35.
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You're too close. But with that is the difference between teams returning kicks or not. Because if you don't, if you don't. If you put it at the 35, if you. The touchback goes to the 25, teams will just boot it into the end zone. Teams would rather just kick the ball out of bounds past the end zone then coach players to like defend the kickoff. It has to be so far removed. So the reason the kickoff goes to the 35 is so the they force the team kicking off to actually kick it inbounds. Otherwise they're just going to boot it out of the end zone.
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What if that's just the rule? What if it's just like you have to kick it in bounce and if it's not, it's a massive penalty but that's it.
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But would you be. But if there's like a gust of wind and it brings into the end zone and you get a 30 yard penalty, wouldn't you be mad about that? I don't know. I don't know. I just think the simplest answer to your point is like we should just stop letting them fuck with the balls.
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Part of me thinks that having a worked in football like makes sense. I don't want baseball players to be playing with a stiff glove. That's dumb. And so I'm like, it's part of me is like it's kind of cool that we're seeing guys like Brandon Aubrey and cam little kick 65 yarders. That's cool. And we're seeing people get better and their craft is improving and I kind of like that or I appreciate that. But I, I don't like that you just get the ball 35% of the way down the field for doing nothing. Like, I almost think there should be no kickoffs. And you just start on the fucking 20, the NF.
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That's what the NFL wants to avoid. DK, what do you. What do you think of that? Because I just think you're right about the kicking thing. My take is just. It's just easier to change one thing than fix the kickoff.
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Why does the NFL want to get. Not want to get. Get rid of kickoffs?
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They don't want to change the game.
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I think it's an exciting play, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I will say this, and I don't have anything against the new dynamic kicking rules, but I just think generally, like Hyphen said it earlier, everybody's, like, taking a piston kickoff. It's like, it's. It's just not a huge part of the game anymore, I don't think. And I think that taking that out, rather than taking the balls out, actually maybe in terms of, like being able to do the cable, I think that actually makes a little bit more sense.
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Yeah. You'd rather eliminate kickoff entirely than just go back to how we did it last 25.
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I think so.
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100%. I don't give a shit about kickoffs. They don't matter. They're stupid. Like, look at what the game already looks like. Like, the amount of ways we've had to contort to make the kickoff work is already so clunky and awkward that I'm like, just get rid of it.
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Coaches will be pissed because it's like special teams. It's like now suddenly get rid of special teams is basically what happens.
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I mean, you still have field goals and punts.
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Yeah.
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We can talk.
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We can talk about this more of the offseason. This. This rule, I think will get addressed in some way because it's. It's a score again. Used to do 50 yards. Now you need 15. While other rule that I think will happen. Rule changes. We want. I've just. You know what?
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Just ban the tush push in some way. I think it's. You gotta ban being able to push your player forward. Right? Yeah.
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This is. This is the. You know, it's so funny. And again, I have defended the tush push, I think more than I. I've been like a nine and a half out of ten. Push, tush push defender. I think teams that were trying to ban it before they even tried to run, it was pathetic. I like the Eagles, though. I'm just tired and I surrender and I'm tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of seeing it. Like I, I'm not even against it as much as I'm just exhausted by all of this. But I agree dk. One of the reasons that the NFL the tush push ban failed because the NFL basically used the Packers. Goodell used the packers to kind of like put the proposition on the table. And they had two issues. One they kind of pretended was about player safety and everyone was like that's horseshit. The other problems they had was writing the rule is so much harder than you think because without a blanket ban on offensive linemen can push guys forward. It's actually really hard to write the rule. But that's the other question is okay, Tushbush is one thing there are. This never happened I feel like but now it is so commonplace for a guy like a running back at the goal line to get off. This is the next version of it.
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Shouldn't we just make that illegal?
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Well that's, that's the question is is it legal for your offensive lineman? Because honestly it becomes like a second play where the lineman just. Just launch like this happened. Drew Dalman I think the for the Bears just took common and threw him.
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Pick him up in yards, carry him into the end zone. I feel like that should just be illegal.
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You can like manufacture a scrum and then push your player forward for like 10 yards which is stupid because if you can do that forward you should be able to do it backwards which they wouldn't allow cuz forward progress gets stopped. So it's like you can push them forward indefinitely but you couldn't push them backwards.
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Or we get rid of forward progress entirely and we just actually make it like yeah, just push just scrum and we reinvent the rugby scrum.
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I agree with this. I think they should get rid of the tush push and I think it should be more broadly about figuring out a way to stop offensive linemen from just basically picking up and pushing their players forward.
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Yeah. I will not bore everyone but maybe we get to the off season I'll some of the how hard it is to write the proposals and having hearing like I think Mike Tomlin one of the coaches talking about like actually reading the proposals and like what writing the rule is of like it's. It's so much dumber than you think. The actual legalies of like well you could push him if he's a quarterback and like just basically writing it in a way that teams can't get around it but but doesn't cover other things.
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It's funny we can leave that to the lawyers.
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Yeah, the refs. The refs can deal with that. Okay. Let's get to more fun things. Things we actually want in the NFL. But I. The NFL won't start. Won't do. Which dk. Probably the most single most popular thing that we'll do in this.
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B
I mean, look, I could run in on this platform and I think I'd win unlimited throwback uniform days. Why do we have a limit on this? I don't understand this at all. I think unanimously, uniformly, pun intended. Every single throwback is better than the ones the teams are using now. Is that, is that true? What do you think, Craig?
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Here's my question for you. If you have ice cream every single night for dinner, it no longer becomes fun.
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I think I disagree with that. I think ice cream is delicious every day. Craig. I don't think I could get sick of ice.
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You want your cake and eat it too?
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I do. Yeah.
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C
I, I, I think I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm kind of just playing devil's advocate, but because, like, my God, the Seahawks jerseys in the Rams Seahawks game last year, Royal blues were abominable. They like, they should have been kicked out of the league.
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B
That was like, Oregon straight up.
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C
It looked like, like Oregon Photoshop that. They're like, this one's terrible. Let's throw this in the trash. And then they gave it to Seattle.
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It's a hand me down.
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They just like shipped it up a couple hours north to Seattle. You guys have these?
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Yeah, yeah, they grew on me.
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C
But then the old. But the week before. The Seattle throwbacks were incredible. But I'm like, do we just fully go back to like the 90s esthetic and every team just has the 90s jerseys? Maybe we do that.
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B
My clarification is it can't be alternates like Oregon, where it's every, every game is like some different colored uniform where you don't actually know what the Oregon uniform is like. I have no idea. Could you tell me what the Oregon uniform is?
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No. They are purposely different every single time.
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I could tell you what Oregon's helmets are anymore. They change.
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B
So, So I don't want that to be clear. What I do want is teams can choose which they can choose to use the throwbacks all the time if they want. Like, they don't have to use their current whatever uniforms.
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C
How about this? At the. In August every year or July every. Make it a fan vote. Put up 5,000. Let the fans pick what the home jerseys are this year.
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Well, this is just a larger thing with NFL fashion, too, which Craig. I mean, I think your guys's partners aren't as into football as mine, but I think I've noticed a lot that women's, like, football gear is so bad. It's just men's gear, but, like, smaller and pink. And it's actually, like, once Jackie pointed out to me, I actually can't believe how unimaginative football fashion is. It's crazy. It's just the logo in the middle of the shirt. It's like they haven't tried to actually do anything with any of the clothing they sell in, like, 40 years.
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C
Yeah. And now Kyle Jus Checks wife is. Is trying to change that.
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Yeah, it literally. Yeah. It took Taylor Swift wearing her jacket for us to be like, oh, man, I don't know. Should we. Should we try with the clothing?
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C
Yeah. And honestly, a lot of the older gear, I would say, looks better. There's, like, cool T shirts and stuff from, like, the 80s and 90s that are just more interesting.
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A
We used to. Well, this is a different conversation, too, because we used to have colors. Like, you know, millennial gray. It's like the cars and suitcases and houses used to be colors, and now everything's just black, silver, or gray beige.
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B
Every team's uniform. Fucking Rams bone. The Rams the bone color.
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A
He's like, what did. What did France give the world? He's like, democracy, existentialism, and zeblo jobs. Like, what did millennials give the world? It's like grayish fleem.
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B
They gave the color of this T shirt I'm wearing today.
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A
I agree with the throwback thing. I just think throwback jerseys need to. I think it's good when both teams wear the throwbacks. Like the Bucks see when the pack. When the jets just randomly wear a jersey from 100 years ago, it looks.
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B
What if you raffle off a. And then both teams wear their uniforms from that year?
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A
Well, that was the Bucks Seahawks game, which was good.
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B
It's like, kind of a fun little wrinkle.
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C
It should be a fan vote. Fucking American Idol. I want to pick what my team looks like every year.
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B
You could freaking sell it to advertisers. This is the Michelob Ultra 1977 throwback day. And it's like, whatever. You can make money off this. That's what we got.
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A
That's good. We should let the NFL know there's ways to make money. That's a good idea.
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B
The.
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A
Okay, the other one we actually want. But the NFL won't do, which is DK you. I. We've never talked about this in the show. You said.
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B
I think we had one time, okay.
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A
You said you wanted holding to be a five yard penalty and not automatic first down.
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B
So the automatic reply to this is like, if you actually watch where a lot of holding takes place, it's like 10 yards backwards because the quarterback's dropping back. So I kind of understand why that's a. Why that is a rule. However, in the interest. And this is, this is unabashedly a fantasy rule. And it's. It's to boost scoring. Every time you see a fucking holding penalty, it's like, okay, well the drive's over. You know what I mean? Like, not literally, but the amount of times that a holding penalty will kill a drive is really, really high. If you make that a 5 yard penalty instead of a 10 yard penalty, I think scoring will go up in a kind of a natural way. It's not necessarily like you're just not allowing defenders to do anything. It's just like this is a boost offense. However, in the interest of fairness, I'll turn it around and say you pair this with. Defensive holding is now no longer an automatic first down. So defenders have a little more leeway. They can, they can decide strategically when to hold a little bit more. It's only a five yard penalty or whatever it is. Maybe, maybe it'd be like at the spot of the foul, whatever, but it's not an automatic first down. Gives a little bit of. Gives a little bit more power to each side, I think, I think scoring would go up a lot if this was the rule. This, like, if you go back to the. Do you remember in the com or. Sorry, in the COVID year. I think it was 20, 20, 20, 21, I can't remember which one. They basically just stopped fucking calling holding and the NFL scored more than any other year ever. I'm not trying to go all the way full Covid, but like, maybe this is like a good compromise in between.
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C
You never go full coverage.
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Don't go full covered again.
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C
I, I think I hear you more on the offensive side than the defensive side. I think defensively, like, if it's only. If it's not an automatic first down and you're a cornerback and it's like third and 15 and you get beat, you could just yank a guy back and they, you know, essentially they'd have to.
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B
What if we, what if we do this instead? Instead of pass interference being a spot foul, you make it like a 15 yard pedal don't they have that in college? I believe that's the rule in college.
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Yeah, I think it that that the the college one reminds you of like Xbox versus PlayStation and it's like I like spot foul.
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C
I think it once again makes sense because if it's like some deep ball and you don't want to give it up, you could just like crush the wide receiver and it's only a 15 yard penalty.
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B
But then there's like so many ticky tack PI penalties. It's like I think it goes both ways a little bit.
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A
Those things depend on I think you're. When it's a spot foul or the defensive look the reality is spoiler we're always going to complain about shit when it pass interference is a spot foul. You're going to complain about bad calls that are ticky tack that are like getting spot fouled and you're going to complain about a ticky tack defensive holdings of first down. If you make it not an automatic first or you make it not a spot foul, you're going to complain about a 50 yard touchdown. That was the egregious now becomes what you get away with.
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B
Well you get that maybe they agree just like if you just fucking tackle a guy that is a spot foul.
- [23:57]
A
Well, but now the refs get it's like a flagrant. But now the refs get to pick and then that's another decision they have to tackling.
- [24:03]
B
That's that's pretty easy to see.
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C
Wouldn't you say though DK right now that the way it is right now makes it so the cornerback is disadvantaged.
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A
If the cost of committing a foul goes down, there will be more fouls.
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C
Like that's the problem 100%.
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A
If you're like oh like literally left tackles, right tackles like oh I'm doing miles Gary. I'm like only 5 yards if I get called for this it's like so everyone's going to hold more.
- [24:23]
C
Cornerbacks are terrified to give up 40 yards so they're not doing anything. And now if it's like oh it's only going to be a 10, 15 yard penalty, I'll just commit past interference every single time.
- [24:32]
A
Yeah. So there's more flags, be more flag and then you're angrier.
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C
The holding one is interesting. Let me, let me toss this by a dk. I just thought of this because I go back and forth five yards versus ten yards. What if the first I don't know three holding penalties of the day are five yards.
- [24:49]
B
After that they become ten like Progressive wells.
- [24:53]
C
Yes. How cool would that be? Talk about incentivizing, not holding at the end of the game. It's like, hey, we can't hold now because now it's a 10 yard penalty.
- [24:59]
B
Oh, I kind of like that. Kind of like that. I like where, I like where we're going.
- [25:04]
C
The first three holdings of the game are five yards. After that they're ten.
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B
There we go.
- [25:09]
A
I always fear making stuff more complicated, but that's pretty good. I, I, that's not bad. That's not, there's something there.
- [25:15]
B
We can't worry too much about making it too complicated. The rulebook is 100 pages.
- [25:18]
A
That's a good point.
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C
What's 101?
- [25:20]
A
Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, so speaking of which, my instant replay, this is my fix. And I, you know, if I, if I had to pick all the things I'm right about, I would pick this first of, like the most, like instant replay, the standard. Like again, you're never going to be perfect. No one's ever going to be able to slow down this game going at a thousand miles per hour, take granular instant replay and like everything. Right. However, the standard to overturn a call on the field is clear and obvious evidence. And I think that the referee should like almost, maybe literally not be allowed to view any camera angle five times. Like they get to look at the camera angles each one, but they only get to look at each angle three times. And then you make a decision and then if you can't decide, it's not clear and it's not obvious and if you want to look, you want to make a decision and watch a fourth time to make sure. Cool. But like you literally don't get to watch it more than three times. You can watch every angle three, thrice and then fucking decide should it, should.
- [26:12]
C
It be, should it be based on time and not the amount of times you get to watch an angle? Should it be more of just like a clock? You have like a shot clock?
- [26:21]
A
No, because two reasons. You don't want them rushing. And also statistically, literally everything that's ever been researched ever. If you add a clock, a timer to any kind of human activity, it make people get worse. Like if you were like, hey, you have 60 seconds to do this, everyone just like TomTom Club, like, exactly. No, it just, the refs will get worse, not better, if they're rushing and they know they're on the clock.
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B
Name a woman.
- [26:45]
A
Yeah, name a woman. But yeah, so I just, if you watch something three fucking times and you get to slow mo it and like, these guys were making the call in judgment, and you still don't know that's the answer. Sorry.
- [26:58]
B
Yeah. Somehow we forgot to add the. The rule into this, Doc. That everything is just reviewable so they can get it right.
- [27:05]
A
I don't see. I think that's really dangerous. And I think people, I. Technology is not going to save you. Dangerous technology is not going to save you. Because suddenly, if everything's reviewable, then when any close game, like Seahawks, technology is.
- [27:17]
B
Saving a lot of us.
- [27:19]
A
So for now, I'm just saying that, like, medical technology.
- [27:23]
B
Come on.
- [27:24]
A
I think when everyone now has NFL plus and can get all 22 and that you can look at every play and people are gonna be like, well, this was holding and this was that. It's like you pulled the thread and you're like, hey, guess what? 80% of these calls are fucking subjective. You're gonna make everything reviewable. Like, it's hard to enforce rules on a clear, chaotic game. Like, I don't. I think it's. Frankly, I think. I don't think everything should be reviewable. I think they're. The standard. Should be egregious penalties, which is what the expedited replay, I think was supposed to be for, which is, like, instantly recognizable. Catastrophic mistakes. Break glass in case of emergency. We can undo it. We got it.
- [28:00]
B
We have to figure out a way. I just think when we do a review, we got to get rid of the this is not reviewable thing. You know what I mean? Because this has happened. This happens constantly.
- [28:13]
A
That almost never happens, except for a whistle, when the whistle's blown.
- [28:15]
B
Yeah, this happens constantly. It's like, oh, this was weird. We're taking a look at this, but it's. And you can see clearly that this has happened. But this is not a reviewable judgment. This is not a reviewable call. So therefore, we're just going to tell you that we're wrong on this and go ahead and go ahead and, like, make this a thing.
- [28:32]
C
This dovetails nicely into my rule, which we can basically combine, which is that the ref in the booth, aka Terry McCauley, gene stereotor, whoever it is, gets the veto button. They're like Michael Buble on the fucking Voice. Yeah, they. They hit the button, the chair spins around, and they can make the call. Yeah, because, for example, the Sunday night game, Patriots, Ravens, booty case on booty got assaulted 40 yards down the field. They did not call the flag.
- [28:59]
B
Not reviewable.
- [29:00]
C
He literally got tackled for, like, 10 seconds. It was like, in slow motion. The penalty. I've never seen anything like it. They don't call anything. Collinsworth and Tariko are beside themselves. They bring in Terry McCauley. McCauley immediately goes. Yeah, I don't know what that was. That was a flag. That was a pass interference. He should get to hit the button and say, I'm stepping in. It's a pass interference.
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A
I think this is your best take. Craig pivoting from. I don't want those guys. I think that was a terrible power if.
- [29:27]
C
What are they there for if they don't have power?
- [29:28]
A
They should be the refs, because all those guys were refs for 20 or 30 years. I think you're right. They should be the refs. And they should have to explain to everybody based on the angle we're seeing.
- [29:38]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [29:38]
A
Live.
- [29:39]
C
He's looking at the 50 Sunday Night Football cameras. Let him make the call and he.
- [29:43]
A
Explains it to us. I think you're right. I actually think those guys.
- [29:47]
B
I don't think things should be revealable. But you think Craig's right here. Okay.
- [29:51]
A
No, I'm saying every. Every place.
- [29:54]
C
My role.
- [29:54]
B
No, I love your role, Craig. You're. The fact that you said it, and heifers agree to it.
- [29:58]
A
That's great.
- [29:59]
B
He just was disagreeing with me in general. I think we're saying the same thing, Craig.
- [30:05]
A
We're saying the same thing.
- [30:06]
B
Craig.
- [30:06]
C
Craig.
- [30:07]
B
We can have somebody who just decides something is clearly illegal, is basically.
- [30:12]
A
No, no, no. To be clear, that already exists. We're saying the New York Command center, every single instant replay, like it goes to New York, and they're like. It goes.
- [30:20]
C
But then why are they always wrong? Why are they always Disagreeing with Terry McCauley?
- [30:24]
A
No, but those are different things, DK. What I'm saying is things that maybe we're not on the same page. What I'm saying is change the rules so everything's reviewable. Like, that's a little pindorous box. What I'm saying is, instead of the referees having to consult with New York, this shadowy banker, like, dealer. No deal. Like, this shadowy figure, that person is Terry McCauley. Like Terry McCauley is. Instead of this, like, private person that, like, in New York, in this, like, New York Park Avenue, like, control center, I think that person, shadowy Terry McCauley. And they have to look at it, and then they instantly make a decision and they explain it to everybody live. And that he. There is no middleman. There's no New York Control center head ref. They are the Head ref.
- [31:03]
B
I agree, I agree.
- [31:03]
C
But. But to defend DK here, the play I was just outlining, the K Sean Booty play that was not revealable. I think Terry McCauley should be allowed to come in and say I'm throwing a flag. Yeah, I'm pressing the flag button.
- [31:14]
A
Yeah, I agree. For egregiousness. I think it has to be like. Honestly my rule for that would be to watch it once. If you have to watch a play twice, even you don't get to reverse it for the non reviewable ones. Because it should be like the Saints Rams championship game one. That should be reviewable. You're right. But you didn't have to watch it twice.
- [31:30]
C
It's just remarkable that Mike Tirico, Chris COLLINSWORTH and Terry McCauley, three, you know, ostensibly football experts, former players, former refs, all three of them go, man, that really looked like a flag. And the one guy who literally was ref goes, yeah, I would have thrown a flag there. And nothing can be done about it.
- [31:48]
B
It happens every game. It like legit happen every game.
- [31:51]
A
So this is what the exofilter, the sky ref. I think that's.
- [31:55]
C
Is that right?
- [31:56]
A
Yeah, basically I'm just saying everything shouldn't be reviewable all the time. It should be like, wow, that was like a huge mistake. But yeah, okay, the next rule here, this is simple. I just think safety should be worth four points.
- [32:07]
C
I agree.
- [32:08]
B
Yeah, done.
- [32:09]
C
You know how fucking hard is to get safety? It's like the hardest thing to do.
- [32:12]
B
This should go up higher hyphens. This should be in the ones they. I don't know what we are in now, but this is a no brainer.
- [32:18]
C
It being less than a field goal. Especially with us just talking about how fucking easy it is to kick a field goal. You know, how hard is to get a safety? How many are there a year? Like seven? Yeah, it should be way more.
- [32:26]
A
It's insane. It's so. And you still get to keep possession. I'm like, people are like, well, if you make it a bunch of points and you keep possession, it's powerful. It should be powerful. You tackled the other team in their own end zone.
- [32:38]
C
Yeah, I agree. Even if you want to make it three, that's fine. But it shouldn't be less than a field goal.
- [32:44]
A
You could convince me that it should be like Harry Potter and Quidditch. It's like games go to 40 or 50, but if you catch the Golden Snitch, you get like 300 points and the game's over. You could Convince me that the safety should be walk off no matter what time it is.
- [32:55]
C
It's death cup.
- [32:56]
A
Yes. It's like death. I think that's.
- [32:58]
B
I think that's dumb.
- [32:59]
A
Safety.
- [33:01]
B
Safety is a bridge too far here.
- [33:02]
A
If you get tackled in your. Isn't football just cosplay for war? End zone should be your capital city. If you get tackled in your end zone like it's fucking like. The whole point is it's sacred.
- [33:14]
C
You can wage a guerrilla war.
- [33:15]
B
You don't need a capital. Come on.
- [33:17]
A
I think team should punt on first fucking down before you get safety. It's so embarrassing.
- [33:21]
C
And that's funny. If it's like 1st and 10 on the 1 inch line, they're just like, fuck it, we're just punting.
- [33:27]
A
I really. I really. You could. It should be death cup. I like that.
- [33:30]
B
I don't.
- [33:31]
C
That's fun.
- [33:32]
B
I think it's funny. I don't think they should do it.
- [33:34]
A
I make it for this one. Dk, you wrote this in. But this. So did Jackie's brother. Joe had the same idea. Oh no, no, wait. No. You didn't send me this one. You get. You and Joe had two of the same ideas. This is not one of them. Sorry. We said there should be emergency quarterbacks and we joke that they should be like NFL employees and we send them to cities. You know what's so funny? They have this in hockey. This is a very real thing. So in hockey they're called E bugs. They're called emergency backup goalkeepers. And this is the thing.
- [33:59]
B
So the stone.
- [34:00]
A
They're not league employee. They have the home team has to arrange for an emergency backup at every game. And he's the third string goalkeeper and he could play for either team. So he's not a team employee, but he has experience. And it's like all like. But it's such a real thing. Every like two or three years it happens. But this is a real thing. And like the fact that the NHL does this. This is every game. It's like a rule that the home team has to provide this. So the fact that the NHL is out here doing this every game for 80. How many. What are they? 81 or 82 games a year in hockey.
- [34:30]
B
They still have ebugs come in and play in games.
- [34:34]
A
Yeah, it happened at least it happened once. Yes, it happened during 2020. It does happen sometimes.
- [34:39]
B
And these are like 50 year old men or. Who are these guys?
- [34:41]
A
42. Yeah, I could. I mean. Here, wait, I'll.
- [34:43]
C
Why? Why? I don't understand that why in. In hockey, I'm like, why can't they just get like. Let's say they're. They're two first goalies get hurt. Why can't they just, like, take a player and put him in goalie gear and throw him in the net?
- [34:54]
B
Takes too long to put all that on Craig.
- [34:58]
A
You know how long it takes in.
- [34:59]
C
The gear in the stands. He's already in the gear, dude.
- [35:03]
A
He does sit in the stands, though. He just sits in the stands. It's insane.
- [35:06]
B
He sits in the stands, dude.
- [35:08]
A
You want me to read the rules? Yeah, he's. He. So he can't. Yeah, he can't.
- [35:10]
B
Hockey is. Hockey is the best sport in the world.
- [35:13]
A
It is the best sport. He is. He can't be a paid team employee because he could play for the away team if the away team needs him. Typically has playing experience at the pro college or at least. At least high school level, which is so high school. They get.
- [35:27]
C
They find the fattest guy they can and they fucking the squarest build.
- [35:31]
A
Yeah, they get professional trial contracts allow ebugs to be paid $500 a game. They get paid hourly. That's so fun, dude.
- [35:38]
B
I want to be a professional ebug.
- [35:40]
A
I know.
- [35:40]
C
What do you work once every five.
- [35:42]
A
Years, if that the per game.
- [35:44]
B
Just a lot of travel. Probably eating out at good restaurants.
- [35:47]
C
This is a good idea for a movie you could call a movie Bug. And it's like a hockey movie, and it's about a guy who's like the. Who's the E Bug? He has to come in and like, you know, he. He does something incredible. That would work.
- [35:58]
B
Get Chalamet to do it. Craig.
- [35:59]
A
Oh, oh, Shalom. Is the Bug.
- [36:01]
B
He's not exactly built.
- [36:02]
A
No, it's Sandler for an ebug. No, he's.
- [36:05]
C
No, it's like, you know, somebody in the. Who's like, yeah, I guess it'll be somebody in their 40s who's, like, getting a little older. I mean, Sandler, I guess, would probably be great.
- [36:12]
B
Yeah.
- [36:12]
C
50 year old and. And he hasn't really done a hockey movie. He kind of has with Happy Gilmore. Let him actually do one.
- [36:18]
A
It's like. It's also like the Rookie, the Dennis Quaid movie. The guy who tries to make majors at four or five reasons. Yeah, it's pretty good, but yeah, Jamis, Philip Rivers and, you know, Joe Flacco, like, Joe Flacco just gets to be the emergency backup for the fact that this is a real thing on one of the other four major American men's sports is actually like okay, yeah, the NFL should do this.
- [36:36]
B
There's precedent here.
- [36:37]
C
Flacco should be employed by the NFL, not on a specific team.
- [36:41]
B
There's no like he's like got the, the, the NFL hat. Like the.
- [36:45]
A
Yeah.
- [36:46]
B
Rob Lowens NFL.
- [36:48]
A
They get a health care for their 11 kids.
- [36:50]
B
For Flako just wears an NFL uniform.
- [36:53]
C
But so is it a waiver system? Can you only have him for one week? Like how does that work?
- [36:57]
B
They're roving band of like, like goes.
- [37:01]
C
Down in the Bengals, let's say our first on waivers to get the all time QB pick. Can they get three Flacco for three months or is it only one week? How's that work?
- [37:08]
A
I don't know. I think we'll have to figure out some details. But I think, I think we'd have to make this happen. This is pretty good.
- [37:14]
C
We can't be having Chris a lot.
- [37:15]
A
Of in exactly playing football. Where was, where was exactly. Where was James for that game? Okay.
- [37:22]
B
This is actually the best rule.
- [37:24]
A
I think we actually have great rules here. Okay. The other one that the NFL should do that will never do, which is Craig.
- [37:29]
B
Yep.
- [37:29]
A
You have perfected an idea of how the NFL should actually run their season and the draft order.
- [37:35]
C
I feel very strongly about this. I think the NFL needs a loser's bracket. I think it is a way to make the end of the season entertaining across the board and does not eliminate basically last month of the season. Half the teams are irrelevant. And I think this is a money making opportunity for the NFL and could make the game more interesting. I basically think it's like whatever, it's the losers bracket, toilet bowl, it's the nit. I basically think the final month of the season, once teams are officially eliminated from the playoffs, they enter a losers bracket. So it's like the bottom 10 teams face off in a tournament style March Madness style showdown to com. Basically like the College football Playoff to compete for draft order and maybe cash as well or something like that.
- [38:15]
A
Well, the end of the game is trying to make money, not give it away.
- [38:18]
C
Craig. Well, we'll see. But I like want to incentivize the players. Like would. Would Tua want to play for his own replacement? Maybe not. So I'm like we. You have to figure that out, I guess. But how it would work is like all right, so like this week it basically starts like week 14, 15, 16 and 17 losers bracket. Like this week would be the semifinals and I even think you could add spreads to it because you know let's say the bottom 10. Yes. Because like, the Bengals are eliminated from the playoffs, they would probably win this bracket. So I think they should apply spreads like, like in our dynasty league where it's like the teams who are the higher seeds, they get. They get added points to their. To their. To their scores to ensure that they have a better chance of winning. Like the Bengals, it should have to beat the Giants by seven or more in order to win the game.
- [39:06]
A
But. But not just for no reason, because that. For the Bengals to leapfrog the Giants in the draft order, you're saying that the teams with more wins should get. Have to give.
- [39:14]
C
Yeah, and I think FanDuel should just buy this and sponsor this. Like, it should be, like. Yeah, it should be the FanDuel losers bracket or the fuck it's called. And then the actual spreads that FanDuel applies, it should be like, all right, if it works out where it's Bengals Giants in the losers bowl championship, it'll be Bengals minus seven, and the Bengals have to win by eight in order to get the first pick. And if they don't, the Giants get the first pick.
- [39:37]
A
This segment was presented by fanduel. No, I'm kidding. That was not. But I think you don't spot.
- [39:42]
B
You just spot teams certain amount of points.
- [39:44]
C
You spot teams points because if it gets imbalanced, like, you know, ideally it's like, you know, it would be Giants, Raiders battling for first pick, but if a team like the Cardinals, who are a little bit better, are winning each game, they have to be beating the spreads in order to.
- [39:56]
A
I. I think I'll speak for many people listening who are like, you know what, Craig? I like this because I don't think there's enough gambling that's been injected into football recently. I think people are dying.
- [40:04]
B
It's actually the opposite. We need more.
- [40:06]
C
It's already there.
- [40:07]
A
Lean in. No, I think I'm out on the spreads thing, but I love the idea. I think you're dead on, though, where.
- [40:13]
C
But hear me out with the spreads thing. The spreads make sense. Let's say it's the bottom 10 teams. If you look at that right now, the Bengals qualify, Miami qualifies, Arizona qualifies. Those teams are just straight up better than the Raiders. I don't think it would be, to me that that would allow the middling teams of the league to always get the first pick, which I don't think is fair.
- [40:30]
A
I think it's simpler to just. I think that's too complicated because I think, frankly, I Don't think any of those teams should be competing for the first pick. I think the simpler idea that I think you're like really close to which.
- [40:41]
C
Would be you could just do the bottom four teams the last two weeks.
- [40:43]
A
Yeah. That is like actually something that in like a 10 or 15 year horizon I actually think the NFL might do. Like, I think there's a world to what you're saying where like right now if you just look at the standings and frankly this is every single season. If you just look with two weeks left, there are always. Yeah, so the Giants and Raiders have two wins and then there's like Jets, Titans, Browns, Cardinals have three wins every season. Generally speaking, kind of looks like that where anybody could end up with the second pick or eighth or whatever. And to me it's really simple. This week the Giants and Raiders are going to play and the loser will probably get the first pick. And the part of what you're saying that I like is, should be about winning. The winner of that game should get the first pick and the loser should get the second pick.
- [41:25]
C
Yeah. So you can set it up so it's like this week it's yeah, Giants and Raiders and then, and then it's jets and Browns and the winner of those two games play each other in the toilet Bowl Championship next week. You put it on Monday night because there's no Monday night game on it. Week 18. And it's fucking great. And I think people would watch it and care. However, I think the reason why people could hate that is because, I don't know, like, I think, I think you need to expand it to like the bottom eight because all eight teams who suck could technically get the first round.
- [41:52]
A
Well, it's like the College Football Playoff. We could get to 12 teams later. Let's start with like two. And I just, you know what I mean? I just think that it's really, to me it's like the simplest version of that. You start small, you build it out. Honestly, the NFL is never have spreads in games. I think that gets into a whole thing. But I think your other part of this idea, I don't know, I think this is super. But I think this is super realistic though. If you just talk about if the final week of the season, the final two teams. Because this actually solves a problem for everybody involved, which is the Ted Lasso. We just play half empty stadiums, listless, meaningless games.
- [42:22]
C
Yeah. No one cares about half these teams.
- [42:24]
A
Think about this to me is not crazy. If the final week of the season, the teams with the two worst records played each other. Winner gets the first pick, loser gets the second. You're solving a bunch of problems. Fans now who hate their teams and are rooting against them can now root for their team to win a big game. The players have something to play for and then which. Which matters. I think that, like, having literal, like you get to win something like, is nice and it solves stuff for the league because now this game, that nobody wants to watch it, it's pathetic. And like, there's tanking questions. The teams want to lose now. There's no question about who's trying to. And then also it's a ratings thing. They actually. People would watch this game. Winner gets the first pick.
- [42:59]
C
Percent that.
- [43:00]
A
That I think works. Whether I want a tournament where the 10th team can get the first pick, that is hard for me to wrap my mind around. But I kind of. I don't know. I. I think that's legit.
- [43:11]
C
It doesn't make sense that every time the Giants lose, we're like, high Fitz, you should be happy. That's dumb.
- [43:15]
A
Yeah, that's stupid. The Giants should be able to win their way out. Yeah.
- [43:19]
C
Honestly, you could probably do it in every sport in the NBA. You do it every sport. Like the bottom four, six, eight, whatever. You just do a loser's bracket the last two weeks of the season.
- [43:27]
A
I agree.
- [43:29]
C
NFL is going to do this. I feel good about it.
- [43:32]
A
I think it checks a lot of boxes for the NFL needs other than just the scheduling being perfect right now, but for just simplicity. But yeah, okay, similar dk, something kind of like this. You wanted. You want relegation.
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B
This is a complicated matter because then you have to have sort of like a lower league. You know, I think the NFL has tried that with partnering with other different, like, lower leagues and all that stuff, but it hasn't really caught on. I do think it would be different if every year the, like, worst team just has to go down or whatever to the, to the lower league and the other one comes up number one. You'd get more variety. You could expand the NFL to more cities, blah, blah, blah. There's some interesting, like, variables there, but it does give you the. And maybe we combine with Craig's thing where, you know, we're playing a tournament for the top pick and then that. That team does. Also doesn't have to be relegated anyway. I, I just think it'd be fun, like the idea of relegation where there's no penalty, honestly, for being the worst team in the league. It just makes it more interesting and fun. Will this ever happen? No, but it is a fun idea.
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A
I have good news and bad news. What do you want first?
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B
The bad news.
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A
I don't think this is a thing for the NFL. Can I tell you the good news? Yeah. I earnestly think this is how college football should work. I think this is the solution to college football. Is that what eventually, like Alabama will.
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B
Play in the NFL?
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A
In the NFL, I'm saying there's the power for whatever they're calling.
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B
We could get answered the question, could the Browns beat Bama?
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A
Yeah. And it's like the theory is that the Browns versus Bama and then we sent them down to the Big Ten. No. I think that the real answer is that everyone's afraid that they're going to leave these top whatever teams in the Big Ten and SEC are going to leave the NCAA and form their own super league conference and it'll be like a table you can't sit at. And then everyone's just trying to sit at the table. And I think the answer is it should be like the Premier League. College football should become like your. Like English soccer, which is the top whatever the number 24, 36, 64, whatever you want to call it. Chip Kelly talked about this, like 10 years ago. There should be relegation to the group of five or to the. Whatever the tiers become and you should be able to kick out. So if the top 36 college football teams, if you're in the bottom four, you go down and you have to win your way up. So how much cooler would it be if James Madison had won their way up and they get to stick around? Like, college football is perfect for a relegation system.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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C
I don't disagree with that.
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A
And the revenue sharing and all these questions that we don't have answers to in college football. Like, this would solve a lot of it.
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C
It also gives. Yeah. I mean, like, it's fun for like my alma mater, sdsu. Like, they're a solid football program. They're not going to make the Colle playoff and even if they did, they're going to get their ass kicked. It'd be fun to be like, they're in the league below and every year we're battling to try to get bumped up into the Premier League. That would be really cool.
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B
You get to play all the good teams. Yeah.
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C
You get more money that way and then you can like recruit better, get more prestige.
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A
It's funny, dk, I know you were kind of joking, but I actually think this would work.
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B
I have a question if, for. For People. Okay, I want, like, English people who have been in soccer their whole life to answer this question. Like, is the. Is the Premier League and just basically the, like, European soccer setup? Is that actually a good thing? Do people like it?
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A
I mean, people, like, email us. Yeah, email us if you like soccer.
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B
No, no, I'm not saying, do you like soccer? I'm saying, is that actually a system that we should strive for, or is it absolutely, like, idiotic, maniac thing that.
- [46:55]
A
Just emails and money at gmail dot com? I can already hear Ryan o', Hanlon, who we used to work with, who is your editor, dk and is the man. He. He was the person who explained to me there is a pretty neat correlation between how much team spends and how good the roster is. Like, how much they spend, how much money they make. Right? It's like just an up. It's up and to the right. Like, the more money you make, the better. It's like, even baseball, it's like, The Mets can spend 350 million and suck. But, like, generally in soccer, you spend money, you make it, you're gonna have a good team. Okay, the next category rules here. I want to do. This is banana ball, where I try to. We were trying to think of, if the Savannah Bananas actually did football, what would they do? And I asked Jackie's brother this, and he just immediately delivered. And Jackie's brother was like, they should.
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B
Allow taunting, merciless taunting.
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A
Why is that a flag?
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C
I know. It's so lame. They muzzle the hell out of these guys on the field. You can't even, like. You can't even point for a first down if it looks too much like a gun dude standing.
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A
Who was the guy the other day who's. Whose flag is. He just stood over the guy for, like, you can't Half of a second.
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B
You can't spin a ball in a player's direction.
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C
I think that was last month.
- [47:58]
B
So fucking stupid.
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C
Troy Aikman was disgusted by that dude.
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A
Troy Aik was like, oh, not my league.
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B
How dare you spin a ball at a person.
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C
Some, like, safety hit a receiver and like, like, look down at him for, like, two seconds. Flag dude.
- [48:14]
A
You know when this started, the really taunting.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, because the owners. They're all the owners, they wanted to be fit. Let's not get too deep into it.
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C
But they want to keep these people in line.
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B
No.
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A
Yes.
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C
Let them know who's really in charge.
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A
Honestly. Yeah. You know what's funny? You know who's essential to a lot of the taunting? Recent crackdowns is actually John Mera, the Giants owner, who, you know, he was. He's talked about this. He was appalled when I think The Niners Chiefs 2019 season, Tyree Kill. I forget what super bowl this was. There were too many for the Chiefs. He ran into the end zone. He did the peace sign at the defender. Peace. And they were like, no place for that.
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C
No, we can't do that.
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A
No place for that. Can you imagine? And he hated that. He was doing the peace sign as he ran by him in the end zone.
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C
Which is funny because that's, like, now a really memorable moment.
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A
Yes. And you know what else is funny? All the taunting. Suspect. If you just look up all the fines for taunting and just pull up NFL social media, all the clips they cut are like, yeah, the best parts of the week. It was all the taunting. The other one here, dk, you mentioned hockey earlier. You sent in the banana. They should have power plays.
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B
This one. This one's just pure chaos. So obviously in hockey, the power plays, if you have a penalty, you. One of your players has to go and sit in the penalty box for a given amount of time. It would be hilarious if for certain penalties. And it would have to be like, really, like high. Fitz is saying earlier, like, really egregious. Clear penalties come down from on top. Maybe they make that call. You have to send one player off and you have to play a man down. And then you could do power plays. Like, it just. I feel like that would be such a fun way to ignite the game. Power play. You know, you're playing 12 on 11.
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C
Or 11 on 12 or whatever. If it's like unnecessary roughness or unsportsman, like conduct after the play or something by some D lineman, it's like, all right, great. That D lineman has to sit the next play out, and you can't replace him.
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A
I love this so much. And can I actually suggest. I actually think this is, I mean, as dumb as it gets, pretty realistic for a crazy idea. I think you should get to choose on personal fouls between taking the 15 yards automatic first down, or you get to do a redo and they get 10 players on the field and that guy called for it goes off.
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B
So you get one play.
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C
What if you get an extra player?
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A
You get 12?
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B
12 on 11 is what they get.
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C
12, 11 on 10 or 13 on 12 on 11?
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A
Probably 11 on 10.
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B
Just spacing wise.
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A
Well, actually, you know, it's funny in theory, 11 on 10 in practice, the defense has never, ever, ever practiced for 12 people on the field. And so it might just break everyone's brains.
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C
So actually they haven't practiced with 10 either.
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A
No, but like happens. Like sometimes guys get fall down immediately. Like happens. You know what I mean? You're like, oh, we'll rush three and just hope it works. But 12, there's no scheme for 12.
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B
But you know how like, like in power plays in hockey, it's just such an intense period of time. It's so. It's so exciting because holding your breath like the team that's. That's down a man is just like in survival mode and the other team is pressing. And sometimes you have, you know, teams will like go on the fast break during a power play and score. Like you score when you're a man down. Like, that's the dude.
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A
The Rangers in the semi finals one year were three on five power play and they scored a goal. Down, down two guys. And I was like.
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B
I was like, that's the ultimate. That's the ultimate alpha move. Power move. Anyway, I just think it's pure chaos. It would be really funny. It'd be fun. Maybe this is like an overtime rule or something like that. I don't know.
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A
But I think this is my favorite idea in the entire list because no one talks. Honestly, the theme of this episode is we should just take all the cool.
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C
Hot and then we can get.
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B
Then we can get a penalty box on the sideline.
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A
League of nations. No, not really. Is the nation's cup. League of nations is different.
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C
It really is just like, man, hockey figured it out.
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A
Hockey's got this.
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C
They know they let people fight. Like, let's do that.
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B
Yeah, that. Well, I'm gonna get to that.
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A
Crazy haunting penalty boxes.
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C
DK Metcalf should be bring the fans.
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B
Stepping on my freaking rule from.
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A
Wait, what was it? What was it?
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B
There should be. At least one player is allowed to punch a fan at least once a season just to. Just to give fans a little bit of fear.
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A
You know what I mean?
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B
You got to plant that seed. I could get punched in the face by an NFL player if I do this.
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C
That.
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B
That right now does not exist. That. That fans are too. This is the whole DK method. Fans think they can say whatever the they want.
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C
The world would honestly be better if people were always afraid that if they're a. They might get punched.
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B
I could get punched in the face for this.
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A
Was it Mike Tyson? Some old. I think it was a pro fighter, but I could be wrong. Someone posted. The problem with the Internet is people have gotten too comfortable saying Wild to people without the threat of being punched in the face.
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C
Yeah, 100%.
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B
So, yeah, Craig, like you're saying DK Metcalf. I don't think people would be talking a lot of. To DK Metcalf. I would never insult a man of your size, but anybody in the NFL is huge for the most part.
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A
Come on. He just called. First name drags him out.
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B
You just get. It's like the. You know, the.
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C
The.
- [53:05]
B
Well, there is that spot. I don't even know what this is. The slap sport where the just, like, slap each other.
- [53:10]
C
Fucking Dana White game. Is that still going?
- [53:13]
A
That should be it. That should be. Every team gets one fan a year.
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B
Maybe. Maybe to make it a little more politically correct, you get this. That that fan has to suit up in a football uniform and then get.
- [53:27]
A
No, they wear what they're wearing. That guy with the clown hatted Lions, he's got to be wearing that. And then I think the team gets to vote because that way you'll know if what they happened was legit or they're just like, no, the players being a dick or like, I want the fa. The team gets to vote on the fan. They're like, yeah, that guy.
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B
We all hate him.
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A
One guy. Everyone gets one. I like that. This is. We're. We're kind of cooking here, so taunting, power plays. You can hit one fan a year. This is great.
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B
You get one swing.
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A
The best idea anyone's had on the show all year. Craig, you said this earlier, and I wrote it down in my notes months ago when I found it was. You said kickers for field goals should come out of the tunnel like closers.
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C
In baseball to walk out. Music.
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B
Hell, yeah. I actually.
- [54:08]
C
How sick would that be? Cairo Santos in Chicago. They lower the lights. Kyro Santos comes running out of the tunnel. They're playing Serious by Alan Parsons Project to turn. He's got to run 50 yards into the midfield. Lights are down. Everyone's hushed. That's incredible.
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B
I. I love this idea.
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A
No.
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B
Why do we not do it?
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A
Why don't they do this? This is. If the Savannah Ben did football, they would do this.
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B
The Edwin Diaz, like, whole production.
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A
The trumpets.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Harrison Meis is out of breath by the time he gets there. They got to take a timeout. Oh, my God.
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B
Yeah.
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C
When we were in Ireland, we were with Bex, who works for Spotify, but she's in the London office. She came with us to her first NFL game, and she was kind of like, man, there's so much, like, ridiculous shit going on here, there's, like, horns and fire. Cannons being fire. Fucking insane pyrotechnics everywhere. Yeah. There's like a band playing.
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A
We're not done.
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C
Yeah, keep going, man. Walk out music.
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A
Okay, I. I like that. So can I tweak? I haven't. I have a lot of kicking ideas, so I think that should be for field goals. Of course.
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C
Okay.
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A
I. This one I kind of cooked. Somebody emailed it. Someone commented this on something made months ago. I think whoever scores the touchdown should have to kick the extra point.
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B
Yeah, this is like. This is like basketball. If you get fouled, you have to shoot the free throw.
- [55:27]
A
Exactly.
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B
And then you can't do hack a shack. So then you're finding the worst kicker on the team and just. I don't know how that works, but. Yeah.
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C
Well, basically all that does is then every day at practice, like, most of the players have to practice kicking.
- [55:41]
A
Yeah, but I just think it'd be funny that. Don't love that you have to make the extra point.
- [55:45]
C
Every coach is like, God damn it. All my receivers have to practice kicking.
- [55:48]
A
Now imagine trying to explain this to, like, Kaderius Tony.
- [55:51]
B
We get the worst fucking attorneys.
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A
George Pickens didn't.
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C
Kaderius Tony. Isn't he good at kicking?
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B
Or am I thinking he's really good at throwing? He has an incredible arm.
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A
Kadirius Tony. There was a point where Daniel Jones had the third best arm on the New York Giants.
- [56:05]
C
Yeah, he had a nice pass once.
- [56:06]
A
I remember Kadiris. Tony can throw. Odell could throw. This is why I don't understand why Taysom Hill is the only guy who can throw.
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B
Isn't he, lefty?
- [56:12]
A
Yeah. Tony's lefty. Yeah, I think. Or Odell was left.
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C
This is great. I love this.
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A
Yeah.
- [56:19]
C
Darnell Washington lining up to kick an extra point.
- [56:22]
A
That's good.
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B
He just fucking crushes it.
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C
Do you have to kick it? Can you run a fake?
- [56:27]
A
Oh, yeah, for sure. The. Oh, wow. I just thought of. If you don't want to do the thing, then you have to do, like, an Oklahoma drill as a. Like a tournament of champions. Like the beginning of Troy.
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C
Just one on the. Okay.
- [56:40]
A
I do love the oak. I'm sorry. It's the fucking bad. Have you ever done it? It's the coolest thing in the world.
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C
I did it as a freshman and did not have a good time.
- [56:49]
B
How big were you then? Like 126 pounds.
- [56:51]
C
Oh, lower. My guy.
- [56:53]
B
Wow.
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C
110.
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B
Jesus.
- [56:55]
A
Winning an Oklahoma drill is like. It's just. There's nothing like it man.
- [56:59]
B
Heifetz likes to do Oklahoma drills on the basketball court.
- [57:02]
C
I still think quarterbacks should have to punt.
- [57:05]
B
Yeah, I like that.
- [57:06]
C
No specialist, no quarterbacks upon.
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B
I mean that's, that is kind of a good segue to my role here. And this is basically like we watch. We went to Ireland, we watched hurling. It's a combination of a bunch of different sports, but basically they have the, they have a goal post and it's split in two. And so if you bat the ball into the upper part of the goal post, it's like one point if you hit it. If you manage to hit it into the lower part, it's worth three, right? Is that what it was? Yeah.
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C
And it's basically like there's a soccer goal below, right? And then on top of the soccer goal is just a goal post.
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B
Right. So we get in order to make kicking more challenging and more exciting. Because right now it's just like Craig was saying earlier, it's like 60 yard field goals all the time. It's like, what the hell? Make it split the goalposts into sections. You can start to, you can start to really dial in where you're trying to hit it. And if you get it into bollock, like into the goal, that's like extra points. But then you got, then you got like defense trying to defend that and they can return it.
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A
Could we make it like the doinks are worth five, but you have to call it like bank? Yeah, yeah, just like bank. And it doesn't care.
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B
There was an epic doink in the, in the Monday night game this week. I think he hit, he hit it, the kicker hit it from like 60 yards or something like that and just hit the crossbar. Just the most satisfying doink.
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C
Imagine this. We completely eliminate the goalpost and it's now a giant dartboard and the football sticks to it.
- [58:29]
B
Oh, I like that.
- [58:30]
C
Velcros to the dartboard.
- [58:34]
B
Now we're talking. Now we are fucking cooking.
- [58:37]
C
You have in the middle, there's the tiny. You know, the tiniest bullseye is like seven.
- [58:41]
B
You replace cables and then outside of that, it's one. You replace the cables with velcro balls.
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C
Yeah, that's good.
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A
Yeah, that's.
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C
Or like goes through it, you know, like a bullet and you can.
- [58:52]
A
Oh yeah, like through it. You're like, yeah, like those things in the movies where the cops are shooting, like the little outline to the guys and.
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C
Yeah, yeah, it's like that. And it's like, are you gonna hit the ring of three? The bullseye of seven or the outside of the pretty.
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A
I like this. We'll test this at the Pro bowl and then we'll. And then we'll see it for the real season. The other one I like is if we keep the goalpost. I like the idea that because, you know, now we have these longer kicks. You can make them from distance, right. So like they're kind of going skirt. Like these 65 yard kicks are kind of skirting through. I think you should be able to block them like Mike Evans should be able. I want Mike Evans in the end zone instead of just guys that are return. If it's short, they should be able to jump up and rob it like a center fielder.
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C
Goaltending, right.
- [59:28]
A
Yeah. You literally should be able to goal 10, like if it should be low enough. That's the other answer to the field goal thing. We're like, well, these guys are making for too long away. Like I want. I want. Like I want Mike Evans and Tede roll McMillan out there. Like batting passes.
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C
Hear me out. What if each team gets a designated skeet shooter and they got one shot at the ball as it's being kicked?
- [59:47]
A
You want to revive Carson Wentz's career?
- [59:50]
C
How sick would that be? They go put, they go pull.
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B
Everybody gets the deck.
- [59:57]
C
There's a camera on the guy and he gets to try to shoot the ball one time and knock it down.
- [60:02]
B
But the first downs are still with his pistol.
- [60:04]
A
But it's still a flag. If you like do the air guns for the first down, but you do get a guy with a shotgun, there's.
- [60:09]
C
Yeah. Like if. If you celebrate the skeet shooting with a gun motion, it's a flag.
- [60:13]
A
That's a flag. That.
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B
That's an audit because we're not trying to glorify it. Yeah.
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C
How sick would that be if you could shoot the ball down?
- [60:20]
A
It's pretty good.
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B
It's like Duck Hunt.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah, exactly.
- [60:25]
A
Dude, that would be sick. That would open up a difference that would give a various players the careers back, you know?
- [60:32]
C
Yeah.
- [60:32]
A
Certain guys might be able to return.
- [60:34]
C
We could bring some veterans in honor our veterans. Maybe on veteran. Maybe it's just a Veterans Day thing, dude.
- [60:39]
A
Veterans Day. We just do the flyover.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Bucks Pirate ship. That's. That's a huge.
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B
The flyovers now, they release balls and if the ball goes through the uprights.
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C
O. All right. That's how the game starts. The ball gets dropped in the middle of the field and. And it's a scrum to get. Try to get it.
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A
Well, that was the xfl, they did that instead of the coin toss. They did that. They threw the ball in the thing and they fight over it. Yeah.
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C
Like, it's like dodgeball.
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A
Yeah. They'd run 50 yards and grab it from each other and fight over it, which is like a real drill.
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C
Jesus.
- [61:12]
A
I didn't even know that's planes were flying over. It's insane.
- [61:17]
C
I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.
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A
Oh, yeah. Okay, email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com More rules you want addressed? I gotta tell you, I think the hockey stuff, those three hockey ideas, emergency quarterbacks, power plays. If instead of the 15 yards and then what was the other?
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B
Hockey.
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C
They can fight.
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A
Oh, yeah. They could fight and taunt. It's great. Okay, cool. Emails are fantasy football gmail.com if you have other rules, you want to add it to the NFL. Okay. And then email us soccer fans if you want to be like, the Premier League's a mistake. But I like it. Ringer Fantasy Football League update. Chris and Mallor in the final DK and I first round.
- [61:56]
B
By the devastating performance on both of our parts.
- [61:59]
A
Is there a better summation of fantasy football than Danny King, Kelly and I and you. We spend hundreds of hours talking about fantasy football every week. And Chris Ryan, who wasn't at the draft and did not draft his team.
- [62:09]
B
Did not spend $1 of his waiver money.
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C
I'm not even sure he knew that he could.
- [62:14]
A
Made three moves all year and he's in the finals. Also, Chris was in last or tied for last for like six weeks.
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C
Yeah, dude, they're both. Mal and Chris were both 6 and 8 this year.
- [62:25]
A
They were not actually in the playoffs.
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B
This is like the. Until the end of the season beating the Saints. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [62:31]
A
This is like the under 500 division winner makes the Super Bowl.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Devastating.
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B
Yeah.
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A
This is the dumbest sport thing we do.
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B
Redemption for Tate.
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A
Redemption for Tate.
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B
We. We made fun of Tate so much for drafting Chris's team and now he's.
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A
In the finals, which honestly is a thing to remember that shout out to mocked.
- [62:51]
C
Has Chris, like, added or dropped anybody? Is he just spending zero dollars on them?
- [62:56]
A
I think he added a defense when they were on by and a kicker when they were on by.
- [62:58]
C
And that was literally so he is the same roster that he drafted week.
- [63:01]
B
He is a fucking visionary.
- [63:03]
A
He added a tight end, a defensive kicker, and he beat the shit out of us.
- [63:06]
C
He's got the same team, dude.
- [63:08]
A
Nobody got hurt, so nobody got hurt. Like, he got the big.
- [63:11]
B
This mirrors the real NFL, Craig. It's the healthiest team wins.
- [63:15]
A
He has Jameer Gibbs and then the rest of the team. Honestly, I'd still a perfect example. You look at the team and you're like, what happened here? His receivers are like Zay Flowers, AJ Brown, Keenan Allen, and you're like, okay, yeah, that team's not going to make it. He's Gibbs and Kyron Williams even. He has Travis Kelsey, DJ Moore, all these guys where you're like, there's no way this worked.
- [63:33]
C
He had Devonte Adams who was great.
- [63:36]
A
TJ Hawkinson who never even cut TJ Hawkinson. He said tj. He's the only guy he added was Hawkinson.
- [63:41]
B
He always believed in him. He's a.
- [63:43]
A
He still has Matthew Golden Glue guy.
- [63:47]
C
Oh, that's. That's really sad. Kind of like us winning Ringer 107 despite not having any gambling expertise and not trying.
- [63:54]
A
It is exactly like that. It's. There's a lesson in all this. If only we could find it.
- [63:59]
B
Okay, here's the lesson. The NFL needs lines for every game handicaps. That's the lesson.
- [64:07]
A
All right. Before one second song challenge and other shenanigans. What do you Fantasy court.
- [64:13]
B
Sure, let's do it.
- [64:14]
A
Hell yeah.
- [64:16]
B
Definitely don't tell anyone in session that you're doing.
- [64:19]
A
I don't really want to be handcuffed.
- [64:21]
C
The definition of an object is a material thing.
- [64:23]
A
That can be the definition of an object. Okay. He's like, this is fantasy court case. Here is from Mickey.
- [64:29]
B
Mickey Embo.
- [64:31]
A
Cut me.
- [64:31]
B
Mick Michael.
- [64:33]
A
Mickey writes, my college league is in its 17th season and we've had unprecedented levels of apathy and disrespect for the law. We've had a last place punishment in place in this league for years and years and some past ones have included a guy living in Singapore had to take the SATs at a high school. Oh. Someone documented a weekend at a sad Airbnb in a random one street Colorado town. Someone had to run a tough mud or dressed like they were in the God squad from Righteous Gemstones.
- [65:03]
B
Oh my gosh.
- [65:04]
A
And then 2023 season someone slacked on their punishment of drawing caricatures of strangers in a public park. And then they were threatened with a points deduction midway through the season until they did it. So that's pretty legit.
- [65:15]
B
Wow. Like, yeah.
- [65:17]
A
And Mickey writes, mind you, this is a co ed league filled mostly with couples in early 30s. Almost all of them have one or more young kids now. So the 2024 punishment last season's punishment was the loser had to create, build and design. Or I guess it's more design, create and build a first and last place trophy for the league.
- [65:35]
B
Wow. Tremendous looking trophies.
- [65:37]
A
I think that's pretty tame compared to the other one.
- [65:40]
B
Oh, that's easy as hell.
- [65:42]
A
Way easier. Yeah, it's like money, but it's not embarrassing or effort.
- [65:47]
B
Yeah.
- [65:48]
A
So while it has been light so the 2024 loser has still not produced any trophies. Obviously they've had like 11 months. And while it has been lightly called out all year, the drumbeat has this week hit a fever pitch and the league is out for blood. And fast track to today. This is the week of Christmas. The guy not making the trophies is going to be in our championship for this season.
- [66:09]
B
Wow.
- [66:09]
A
He's not made any of the trophies and for no reason other than he's just claims he's overcomplicating it to make it cool. Even though he told us about this at the draft and he said just make something and get it done. The people now want some kind of penalty because it would be really fucked for the league champ to owe everyone punishment from the year before. So they want to know what to do about this point. Deductions that would go back and alter the results of the season seem too punitive to take him out of the finals. Basically, the commissioners made a decree that he will deduct 40 points from this guy in week one of 2026 and there will be an ongoing weekly 40 point deduction for all punishment dodgers going forward. So every week you don't do it, you lose 40 points of that matchup. Someone else suggested that after a certain date in the off season, you have a deadline to get it done. And after that date, someone else can do your punishment for you and then they get your first round pick.
- [67:00]
C
Okay.
- [67:01]
A
Which is I've never heard before, but it's really funny. They the 2025 punishment, this year's punishment is that the loser has to eat nothing but unseasoned ground beef for lunch and dinner for an entire week. And hence the name of the subject line of this email is Fantasy court.
- [67:18]
C
That's kind of the dream. That's so lean, dude.
- [67:21]
A
That's pretty good, you know.
- [67:22]
C
So you're just going to enter ketosis for a week. Sounds good to me.
- [67:26]
A
So the emailer Mickey says he thinks that the winner of this league, in addition to designing the trophies, should also have, even if they win, have to do the beef week unseasoned ground beef punch and Nick beef week Beef Week. Beef week. So they want to know, fantasy court, how do you think this should be solved? What? And I think there's two questions. How do you resolve this winner situation? How do you prevent this going forward? But dk, what do you. Chief justice here, what do you think?
- [67:51]
B
So sorry. The question is, how do they get him to make the trophies asap?
- [67:56]
A
No, it's what do they do? How should this be handled? That the winner of the league, maybe this year, the guy in the championship hasn't made. How should they punish him? What should the punishment be?
- [68:05]
B
Well, I think if I was, if I was running this league, I would say I'm detecting five points from your fantasy finals score every day until the fucking trophies get done.
- [68:16]
C
I don't, I don't like just fucking do it.
- [68:19]
B
Go to, go to Goodwill and buy some trophies. It takes 10 minutes.
- [68:23]
C
It's the holidays. I don't like meddling with the championship week.
- [68:27]
B
Craig is so lenient.
- [68:29]
C
I don't know, I'm like, It's like hard. He's like, you're traveling your in laws. You have like kids.
- [68:33]
A
So much for tough on crime, Craig.
- [68:38]
C
I think I like, I mean like subtracting 40 points from your score every week is quite severe, but I think that would actually get you to do something. You know, I'm fine with like deducting or like revoking your first round pick or, or deducting 40 points. I think stuff like that's good.
- [68:54]
A
I think he has to do. I think this person has to do the ground beef thing.
- [69:00]
C
Yeah, that's fair.
- [69:00]
A
And in addition to make the trophies.
- [69:02]
B
And how are they going to police that though? He's. He hasn't made the fucking trophies. He's not going to eat the fucking beef.
- [69:11]
A
Well then, but you have to. That's the thing. You have to pair it with one of these other rules. Either after a certain date, the thing of I can just do your punishment and I get your first rounder is really funny. I think the real answer, you probably deduct 40 points every week until they, you know. But it's funnier to have someone else steal your pick. That's hilarious.
- [69:27]
C
I think he should do the ground beef even though he probably won't. And then I don't know what you. Because then we're gonna get another email in three weeks being like, he didn't do the ground beef thing either.
- [69:34]
A
Now you combine it with the 40 points thing. So he would lose 40 points every week of next season. You don't do the punishment. So Basically, you're losing every week. You just. You can't win again.
- [69:44]
C
So every week he doesn't build the trophies or eat the ground beef, he gets deducted 40 points for either of those. So it could be 80 points per week.
- [69:51]
A
Bingo.
- [69:52]
C
Yeah, I like that. Make it impossible for him to win a game. If he doesn't do that, I think.
- [69:57]
A
DK is the right. I'm leading with dk, I think five points every day till he gets the fucking trophies.
- [70:01]
C
This week to Christmas week.
- [70:03]
A
Yeah. He's had fucking a year. He, like, he came in last place 51 weeks ago.
- [70:08]
B
I don't know.
- [70:09]
A
It's that. You know what the issue is? It's the easiest punishment they've ever had. It's a trophy. It's too easy. It's why I put it off.
- [70:17]
C
I do get that.
- [70:19]
A
Go to Mike.
- [70:19]
B
How about we start on the 26th, Craig?
- [70:21]
C
So it's just Friday, Saturday.
- [70:23]
B
Yeah. And we can deduct 10 points per day. These fucking trophies are getting made before Sunday, pal.
- [70:30]
C
He's got to make these over the holiday season.
- [70:33]
B
Slap a sticker on it.
- [70:34]
C
He can go to. Yeah, what if he's flying to a different coast?
- [70:39]
A
That's what the first 15 weeks of the year were for.
- [70:41]
B
These rules aren't designed to be convenient.
- [70:44]
C
I disagree. I don't care.
- [70:45]
A
Remember that time Jordan Addison was like, pick your four months in prison. And like, you know, it's just, you know, through the dui, they're like, yeah, just pick whatever months you want, Craig. Just, you know, it's like you have a certain amount of time.
- [70:53]
C
You have a window in the spirit of Christmas. I'm going to give him four days. That's all.
- [70:59]
A
No, write it in your dissent. Write about it on your blog. Before we move on, we get this question a lot. It's not the most interesting, but I think people talk about this a lot. What do you. We don't talk about it a lot. What do you guys think of people who are out of the playoffs making waiver wire transactions while other people in the championship just depends on the type.
- [71:13]
B
Of league you're in.
- [71:14]
C
Is there a toilet bowl?
- [71:15]
B
Yeah.
- [71:15]
A
Let's say it's a rage, a redraft league. And it's not toilet bowl or championship. People are just adding players.
- [71:20]
B
That's weird.
- [71:22]
C
I think that should be locked and. Yeah, not allowed.
- [71:25]
A
What about toilet bowl?
- [71:26]
B
I think anything is allowed. Then you try not to get last.
- [71:29]
A
Yeah, yeah. I'm in lockstep with you guys. But if someone adds Michael Carter and They're just in fifth.
- [71:33]
B
I think the idea of adding players so other people can't get them even though your team isn't actually doing anything is dumb.
- [71:39]
A
But is it a gentleman's agreement and they violated that or is it like a rule?
- [71:43]
C
Should be a rule. I think like if you're in a meaningless fifth place game and there's no.
- [71:47]
B
Prize for that roster should lock.
- [71:48]
A
Is it, is it bad? Is it, is it, it's the, the, the, you know, the hangover, masturbating on an airplane. It's not legal. It's just frowned upon.
- [71:56]
C
I think it's.
- [71:57]
B
Think it's illegal.
- [72:00]
A
Oh, thanks, Bin Laden.
- [72:01]
C
I think it should be illegal just so there's not more work to be done after, after the crime is committed. That way, if it's a rule, then you know that it's a transgression rather than like, oh, we get a fantasy court next week. That's like the guy in fifth added Michael Carter. But we never talked about it. Like it should just be a rule.
- [72:16]
A
Yeah, I think you have to turn it from frowned upon to a rule. But toilet bowl. You should be able to make ads like if there's stakes. This episode is brought to you by Ford Blue Cruise. It's not just where you're going, it's how you get there. And Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology helps make the journey more enjoyable. We took it for a test drive so we could experience the convenience for ourselves. So I tested the Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology last month and it was amazing. I was blown away. Like we're just on the highway and you can just hit a blinker and it just changes lanes and you can set how many car lengths ahead you want the truck to be in front of or behind the car. Like how far you want it from the nearest car. It was amazing. I didn't realize we were there. I felt like I was living the future. So it was absolutely mind blowing. With Ford Blue Cruise, you arrive at your destination ready to take on whatever comes your way. But don't just take our word for it. Experience the convenience for yourself. Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving for a hands on life available feature on BlueCruise equipped vehicles. BlueCruise requires a connected services plan and modem activation. BlueCruise Driver Assist features can be activated in hands free blue zones and do not replace safe driving and drivers need to control the vehicle. See Ford.com BlueCruise for more details on available plans and hands free models. This episode is Brought to you by McAfee Game days can be hectic, which is why having McAfee watching your back just makes sense. From checking stadium bag policies to scouting player stats, safe browsing alerts you to risky or unsafe sites faster than a ref throws a flag. Visit mcafee.com/online protection today to get award winning online protection for just 3999 your first year. Cancel anytime terms apply. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn ads. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the wrong people. So when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals, including 130 million decision makers. And that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You can target your buyers by job title, industry, company role, seniority, skills, company revenue so you can stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. It's why LinkedIn Ads generates the highest B2B return on ad spend of all online ad networks. Seriously, all of them. Spend $250 in your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com Ringer Fantasy that is LinkedIn.com/Ringer Fantasy. Terms and conditions apply. All right, we have a very special, very special segment here. We are going to do the One second Song Challenge Christmas Edition. For those who don't know this kind of spurned from us having an argument about like what are the most instantly recognizable songs ever which led to what are songs you could literally identify in 11 second which led to us trying to compete which has led to I actually don't even know how many iterations of this we've done. I think this is the fourth. I think all of us have hosted it. Right.
- [75:13]
C
This might be the fifth. I think I've gone up against DK twice and up against Heifets once maybe.
- [75:19]
B
So I went up against High Fitz once.
- [75:21]
A
So this is the Christmas version. And again, if you want emails ringer fantasy football gmail.com I will send you the original one second song challenge playlist. It's very fun to play this with your friends and family over the holidays. So if you want a Christmas one, I have this is a special Christmas edition. And yeah, emails to bring your fancy football. Gmail.com I'll send you that playlist. Christmas Songs here.
- [75:39]
C
Everyone knows Christmas songs. I feel like almost the point of a Christmas song is like you know it but you have no idea what.
- [75:44]
A
It'S called or who exactly which Is why this is funnier.
- [75:48]
B
We can get, like, legit zero of these, and it would be that surprising.
- [75:51]
C
But I'll know the song.
- [75:52]
B
Yeah.
- [75:53]
A
So here. So should we do a test here just so people understand the. So basically, if it's. You make it a drinking game, it's really good, too, where it's. Basically, you play one second of the song and someone buzzes in. And then whoever buzzes first, you get to guess the name of the song and the artist. And if you're making this a drinking game at home, you get. If you get those right, you give a drink for the name of the song, give a drink for the name of the artist, and if you're wrong, you take a drink. Take a drink. So you could do one, and you could split it one on one if you want. So here I just. As we have a little buzzer system for all the people who yelled at us about it not liking where we just yell buzz. We actually have a buzzer shout out to Benton, who emailed us a little website to actually have a buzzer system for once. You know, we're getting big time here. So you guys want to do a test one here just to. Just to get the kinks out?
- [76:37]
B
Sure.
- [76:38]
C
No.
- [76:39]
B
Okay. I like to go running without exercise or without warming up. Okay.
- [76:44]
C
Did you go with, like, deep cuts? Did you try to go real popular? What was your strategy?
- [76:48]
A
I'm not telling you, but they're not deep cuts. Okay, You'll. You'll know all this. So you'll know all the songs here. We'll just do it. This is not a Christmas song. It's just a little test here. All right, so, dk, you buzzed in first.
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B
It's Eminem.
- [77:05]
A
Tick, tock, tick, tock.
- [77:07]
B
My name is.
- [77:07]
A
Nope, wrong.
- [77:08]
B
Oh, that. We did this before the song Real Slim.
- [77:11]
C
Real Slim Shady.
- [77:12]
A
So that would be one point to dk, one point to Craig. Okay, so now we're going to go Christmas edition, and here's the deal. I've decided, and I made the.
- [77:19]
B
That's not a Christmas song.
- [77:21]
A
Well, it could be. It's like Die Hard.
- [77:22]
B
Yeah.
- [77:22]
A
I made the executive decision that because Christmas music, I was making the list. I was like, you know, you might not know these artists. Who makes what song? I will. If you cannot name the artist, you need to sing some of the song. And if you sing it with gusto, by my sole subjective decision of how hard you're trying to sing, I will award you a point. If you can't name the artist. Yes.
- [77:43]
C
Craig, is this A humiliation ritual, or is it to show that you actually know the song?
- [77:48]
A
It's to show that you know some of the song. And I want you to try. It doesn't have to be good, but I want you to actually sing. And I want to show, like, why.
- [77:58]
B
Do we do this to ourselves? I don't know.
- [78:01]
A
People like humiliation for content. I can't explain it.
- [78:03]
B
Right.
- [78:03]
A
Okay.
- [78:04]
B
This is the trivia.
- [78:06]
A
Honestly, the hardest part's gonna be me trying to pause for a second. All right, so you guys ready?
- [78:11]
C
Sure.
- [78:11]
A
All right, let's do it. Okay.
- [78:14]
B
All right. Merry Christmas, Craig.
- [78:16]
A
Merry Christmas, Danny. All right, first song on the docket. You guys ready?
- [78:21]
C
Yeah, yeah, sure. The song. The song is Jingle Bell Rock.
- [78:35]
A
Correct.
- [78:37]
C
And I think the artist is. Oh, Helms something. Helms.
- [78:45]
A
Correct. Yes. Bobby Helms. I'll give it to you. That was Buzzer Beater.
- [78:49]
B
Okay, I'm officially fucked. If Craig got that one, I'm fucked.
- [78:56]
A
Just be complaining like, I don't know Christmas music.
- [78:58]
B
To be clear, I wasn't complaining. I'm just stating for the record, I don't know any Christmas music at all.
- [79:03]
C
But you knew that song.
- [79:04]
B
I knew the song. I. I've never even heard of Eddie Helms or whoever it was.
- [79:08]
A
Bobby Helms.
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B
Bobby Helms.
- [79:10]
A
I. I haven't either. Other than that, I think he was.
- [79:12]
C
Kind of around with Cloys.
- [79:13]
A
Yeah, he was. He was a big. Him and Choice Box were partying.
- [79:16]
B
I would have gotten Jingle Bell Rock. I did buzz in.
- [79:18]
A
Okay. Yeah, you lost. Okay. All right, next up here. You guys ready?
- [79:21]
B
Yeah.
- [79:22]
C
Yeah.
- [79:27]
A
Craig.
- [79:28]
C
Mariah Carey.
- [79:29]
A
You fucking got that?
- [79:30]
C
All I want for Christmas is you.
- [79:31]
A
Yeah. Oh, dk. This might. All right, maybe.
- [79:33]
B
I mean, I thought I buzzed fast on that.
- [79:35]
A
Okay.
- [79:35]
B
That's tough.
- [79:36]
A
All right.
- [79:41]
C
I can't buzz.
- [79:42]
A
Oh, I fucked it up. I fucked up the buzzer that time. D Kept giving it to dk. Dk.
- [79:52]
B
Last Christmas. I don't know what the name of the song. Last Christmas I gave you my heart and George Michael.
- [79:58]
A
Oh, wrong, Craig.
- [79:59]
C
Wham.
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B
Wham.
- [80:00]
A
Wham. Wow.
- [80:02]
B
He was in Wham though, right?
- [80:03]
C
Yes.
- [80:04]
A
Oh, I kind of.
- [80:06]
B
He was the lead guy.
- [80:08]
A
I'm going to give it to. I'll give it to me.
- [80:10]
B
Christmas.
- [80:11]
C
Horseshit. That's horseshit.
- [80:12]
A
If you. If. If I name the Beatles and you're like fucking horseshit if you say John Lennon. That's not wrong.
- [80:18]
C
Well, George Michael had a solo career.
- [80:20]
A
Just had a solo career. Maybe I'm literally wrong. But spiritually, that's like. That's not A wrong answer. He's literally the guy singing. That's. I'm giving it to Deacon.
- [80:28]
B
I'm gonna need it. Craig.
- [80:30]
A
No, I'm. He named the guy who's singing the words. That's not wrong. Come on.
- [80:34]
B
All right, well, I got. I got two cheat points there because I buzzed in really quickly as soon as he refreshed it. Now you got to refresh it.
- [80:41]
C
Let me ask you this.
- [80:42]
A
Yeah.
- [80:43]
C
I don't know if you're gonna play it. John Lennon has a Christmas song called Happy Christmas, War is over. If I said the Beatles, is that fine?
- [80:50]
A
That is less right than naming the lead singer of a band. That's. For whatever reason. I think that is similar argument. But John Lennon is unambiguously in the Beatles, but the Beatles are not necessarily in John Lennon, if that makes sense.
- [81:03]
C
So just to be clear, if you played that song and I said the Beatles, that. That. Or I said. Oh, I see. I see.
- [81:09]
B
Here's the deal. Here's the.
- [81:10]
A
That guy was talking. Come on.
- [81:12]
B
Here's the deal. I want it. I'm actually taking my point away because I cheated. Anyway. I hit the buzz button.
- [81:19]
A
I'm giving dk. I am decider here. You're like that kid in the basketball commercials. Like, hey, coach, I touched it when it bounced. Shut up. Win the game.
- [81:27]
B
All right. Okay.
- [81:27]
C
Win the game. What are we talking about? You up the buzzer and gave him a guess.
- [81:32]
A
Yeah. And I'm taking. Yeah, I'm. I'm. I am deciding. I'm.
- [81:35]
B
Sky.
- [81:35]
A
Win the game. All right, guys, next song. Have your son. Come on, Craig.
- [81:46]
C
Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas by Frank Sinatra.
- [81:48]
A
Yes, that is correct.
- [81:49]
C
Old Blue Eyes himself.
- [81:51]
A
Yeah. Ted Lassa just was like, oh, I'm sorry. I think Old blue Eyes, mercurial personality. All right, next up here.
- [82:06]
B
White.
- [82:07]
C
No, wait.
- [82:08]
A
Did Craig win that one?
- [82:10]
C
Oh, that's on me. That's on me.
- [82:12]
A
Sorry, dk.
- [82:17]
B
I don't know. Craig, you go.
- [82:21]
C
I. I. Chestnuts roasting on an open fire.
- [82:26]
A
I'll give you a point for that.
- [82:28]
C
And I'll give you snipping at your nose.
- [82:31]
A
I'll give Craig one point for single singing.
- [82:35]
C
I don't know the name of that song.
- [82:36]
A
I'm. I'm ending the. The window to guess is over, but if you guys want to keep going, you can go. But I'm. I'll give Craig one point. That's the end of the round. But do you want to try Dean Martin? Nat King Cole.
- [82:48]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [82:49]
A
And it's the Christmas song. But it's one of those where there's, like, parentheses.
- [82:52]
B
It's called the Christmas Song.
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A
It's called the Christmas Song slash, Merry Christmas to. Yeah. Okay.
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B
Okay.
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A
All right, next song here. Craig buzzed.
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B
Go ahead.
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C
I believe that is Bruce Springsteen.
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A
Correct.
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C
And it's Santa Claus is Coming to Town.
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A
Correct. I think it was.
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B
Right.
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A
He's gonna get wrong.
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B
I told you. I told you.
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A
You know what's so funny? You know what, dk? When you kept saying, I'm not going to Christmas music, when we discussed that, you never, at any point mentioned you don't even own any Christmas clothing, which I think would have really painted the portrait that we were kind of rolling for.
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C
DK is just listening to jazz still right now. And on December 23rd. DK, are you. Do you listen to Christmas music or.
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B
No, I do not.
- [83:44]
C
What happened?
- [83:45]
B
Guess I just don't have the Christmas spirit, Craig.
- [83:47]
A
Why?
- [83:47]
B
What?
- [83:47]
A
Was that always a thing, or did.
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B
You start guilt tripping me about this? I just never had it.
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C
I don't know. Do you not like it?
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B
No, I do like it. I just don't.
- [83:57]
C
So you're telling me, like, tonight, cooking dinner, whatever. You wouldn't just throw on a Christmas playlist?
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B
The Christmas playlist that we play, and I apologize if we're stepping on this for later, is the Peanuts Christmas album.
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C
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
- [84:12]
B
Which. And I'm gonna be honest, I don't know the name of the band that does that.
- [84:16]
C
I don't even think that is a band. It's Peanuts.
- [84:18]
A
Well, I have bad news because.
- [84:21]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [84:24]
A
Craig buzzed in first. God damn it.
- [84:26]
B
Because my fucking hand was not on the buzzer.
- [84:29]
A
You didn't tell me. I'm giving it. I'll give it, actually. Craig, you have no chance. You have no chance.
- [84:38]
C
It's not just, like the Peanuts band.
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A
Believe it or not, it's not. This is the. I kept it in, but this is the most unfair one. But I'm hoping DK can get it.
- [84:47]
B
Well, I.
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C
You can't even sing it?
- [84:49]
A
No, it's.
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B
Is the name of the song A Charlie Brown Christmas?
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A
Man, I can't.
- [84:57]
B
What is the name of the song that is that?
- [84:59]
A
You know, it's so funny. I'm here on Spotify. We're company men. That's not the name of the song, but if you look at the thing, that is, in fact, the actual words plastered on my phone. So I kind of want to give him the point there, but can you name the guy?
- [85:11]
B
Well, you just showed it to me.
- [85:12]
A
Oh, well, you did you read it?
- [85:14]
B
Thomas Guaraldi Trio.
- [85:16]
A
Oh, Vincent. I'll give you one.
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B
I saw Geraldi or Geraldi.
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C
So he didn't get the name of the song right, and then you gave him the name of the band?
- [85:23]
A
Yeah, but I didn't realize how much he hated Christmas. When I. Craig to do this.
- [85:26]
B
Turns out Craig. Craig doesn't like it when the host puts his thumb on the. On the.
- [85:31]
C
What is happening here?
- [85:32]
A
It's the Christmas spirit, Craig. I didn't realize he didn't own any goddamn Christmas clothing. When I told him he'd do a Christmas challenge.
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B
I told you six or seven times. I0 Christmas music.
- [85:41]
C
Oh, stop. You just named. You knew the peanut.
- [85:43]
A
This is the honest. And I didn't know you, literally. I just thought you didn't know the names of bands like Christmas.
- [85:48]
C
You know the Christmas songs. Well, he's known all these ones. I just buzzed it first.
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A
Craig.
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C
It's like. It's like the Hawaiian Miki laka is a thing to say, right?
- [86:03]
A
Yes, that is. That is the. You're right about the song. Can you get. Can you get the Hawaiian name of the song? No. Do you know who sang it?
- [86:14]
C
No.
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B
DK Les Paul?
- [86:18]
A
No.
- [86:20]
B
Then I don't know.
- [86:21]
A
Craig, you. Last chance to sing.
- [86:24]
C
Malika Liki Locke is a thing to say when on Christmas day that's the island reason that I give to you.
- [86:34]
A
All right, that is good. That is enough of the song to overcome the fact that it's Melee Kalikimaka. But you really did. You did keep going there. So I'm gonna give you one point on that. That's pretty.
- [86:41]
C
I did say Melakiliki maca.
- [86:43]
A
Yes. Eventually we got there.
- [86:45]
C
I mean, I like a couple letters.
- [86:46]
A
Sort of there, but, my God, close enough. If I don't get that, it's one of them. Like, did you get it close enough that you could autocorrect it? You know, sometimes you just have to spell it close enough and you get there. So.
- [86:56]
C
All right, wait, wait. Who sings it?
- [87:03]
A
Craig.
- [87:06]
C
Run, run, Rudolph.
- [87:07]
A
Correct.
- [87:09]
C
That's by what? Chuck. Chuck. Why am I blanking on this? Chuck. Barry.
- [87:18]
A
Sorry. Yes. Correct. Okay.
- [87:21]
B
This is a fun game. What do you say? No, I'm fine. I'm just. I actually know less than I thought, which is.
- [87:31]
C
You knew that.
- [87:32]
B
Shocking. No, I didn't know that song.
- [87:34]
C
Wait, play hi, Vince. Play like, five seconds of that song. You don't know that. Run, run, Rudolph. Okay.
- [87:46]
B
Yeah, I guess I would recognize that.
- [87:49]
A
All right, well, next up here. That one. You know what that one's. It's. It's Here Comes Santa Claus. Like, Come Santa Claus. I don't like that song.
- [88:05]
B
Wait, did you. Did no one. I buzzed.
- [88:07]
A
Oh, you did? Oh, sorry.
- [88:09]
B
You gotta pay. You gotta pay attention to the buzzer thing.
- [88:11]
A
Oh, sorry. I did. You're right. This is the system created. Well, did you know that? Honor system.
- [88:16]
C
Honor system. Would you have known that?
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B
I would have known. Here comes Santa Claus.
- [88:20]
A
Well, I didn't say the name. Do you know who did it?
- [88:22]
B
No, I have no idea.
- [88:23]
A
Can you sing it?
- [88:25]
B
Here comes Santa Claus Here comes Santa Claus Right down Santa Claus Lane that.
- [88:29]
A
Is what I was looking for was history.
- [88:32]
B
Santa Claus Lane is the name of the song.
- [88:34]
A
No, I just. I wanted you to sing enough of the song that I felt like you knew the song.
- [88:38]
C
Okay, wait, wait, wait. Two.
- [88:42]
B
One.
- [88:42]
A
Because instead of. In lieu of the name of the guy, he sang the song. Song.
- [88:45]
C
But I feel like if you know the name of the song, it's easy to sing the song.
- [88:51]
B
Well, yeah, it is indeed.
- [88:52]
C
So you shouldn't get double the points. It's the same. You should if you only know the artist, but you can also sing the song to me. Then you get two points.
- [88:59]
A
Craig, you're up 12 to 5.
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B
Yeah. Craig, there's no way I'm winning this.
- [89:02]
C
Okay, well, it's not that funny. It's.
- [89:04]
A
It's dk.
- [89:07]
B
I didn't buzz.
- [89:08]
A
I was lying because I buzzed. I did the buzzer wrong. Okay, Craig.
- [89:12]
C
Santa baby.
- [89:13]
A
Yes. This is the hardest name in the thing. I would suggest you sing Santa again.
- [89:20]
C
I don't think I should get a point with Santa, baby. Slip a Rolex under the tree for me. Yeah, I've been an awful good guy.
- [89:31]
A
It's good. Eartha Kitt was the singer.
- [89:33]
C
Oh, Eartha Kitt.
- [89:35]
A
She's legend. Famous Eartha Kitt is a legend.
- [89:39]
B
I can't stress enough how much better Craig is at this than me.
- [89:42]
A
One more time.
- [89:51]
B
Craig. Did you get it?
- [89:53]
A
High.
- [89:53]
B
Fitz, you have to tell us. You have to tell us who won the buzz. And don't lie, Craig.
- [89:57]
A
Got it.
- [89:58]
C
I believe it's Let it Snow.
- [90:00]
A
Yes.
- [90:02]
C
I don't know. Dean Martin.
- [90:04]
A
Yes.
- [90:05]
B
Oh, the weather outside is frightful or.
- [90:09]
C
Ing frightful Frightful because the fire is so delightful Let it snow, let it snow, Let it snow.
- [90:16]
B
I knew that one. And I would have guessed Dean Martin, because that's just my guess for everyone.
- [90:21]
A
Just keep going. All right, this is important one, guys. Lock in. Craig buzzed.
- [90:28]
C
Holly jolly Christmas.
- [90:30]
A
Yes.
- [90:31]
C
Buble.
- [90:32]
A
Yes.
- [90:32]
B
Oh, it's our guy. I'm glad we got that one. And by we, I mean Craig.
- [90:39]
C
I'm kind of Mr. Christmas.
- [90:40]
B
You really are.
- [90:41]
A
Yeah. This is. This is. This is where I. I'm Jewish, and I think I could have competed.
- [90:45]
C
Maybe next time you guys will listen to me.
- [90:47]
A
I. Yeah, probably. All right, next one here. Craig Again?
- [90:54]
C
Yeah.
- [90:54]
B
I didn't even buzz.
- [90:56]
C
Oh, I'm blanking. I need. I. I need to hear that again. Damn it.
- [91:01]
A
Three, two, one.
- [91:03]
C
It can go to dk.
- [91:07]
B
I don't know. The beach voice.
- [91:08]
C
No, can you do. Can we do it again?
- [91:15]
A
Oh, my God.
- [91:16]
C
I know it. Don't tell me.
- [91:19]
A
I would.
- [91:19]
B
I'll be clear. I have no idea. Never heard that song.
- [91:25]
A
You're. You're going to be mad.
- [91:27]
C
Can I. Can you give me two seconds or.
- [91:29]
B
No, give him two.
- [91:36]
A
Come on.
- [91:37]
C
I know the horns. I know the horns. What is it?
- [91:41]
A
Feliz Navidad. Oh.
- [91:43]
B
Oh, that does make sense.
- [91:45]
A
Jose Feliciano, baby. All right, I'll do one more here because this is just a brutal, brutal, embarrassed.
- [91:52]
C
All right, you gotta. You gotta reset the buzzer.
- [91:54]
A
Yeah, let me. All right, last one here. This one's worth 20 points. Winner. Winner take all. DK just buzzed in.
- [92:07]
B
Elvis Presley.
- [92:08]
A
Yes.
- [92:09]
B
Are you fucking serious?
- [92:13]
C
I don't know the guy going.
- [92:18]
A
I.
- [92:18]
B
Don'T know the name of the song. Santa Claus.
- [92:20]
C
No, it's. It's Blue Christmas.
- [92:23]
B
No, I don't. I've never heard that song.
- [92:24]
A
Okay. Tika gets 10 and then still loses, actually, because Craig gets water. That's still. Okay, there you go. Craig walks away with the winner of the Christmas one second song challenge.
- [92:33]
B
And we all know that was competitive.
- [92:35]
C
Guys, you didn't even play my favorite Christmas song.
- [92:37]
A
I left him off. What is your favorite Christmas song?
- [92:42]
C
Rocking around the Christmas Tree by Brenda Lee.
- [92:44]
A
Oh, I skipped that to go to the Charlie Brown one because I thought it was funny. Yes, I did have that one on. That one, honestly, is maybe the most of them all. Actually, I. I had that right in front of the Charlie Brown one. But yeah, that's that.
- [92:55]
C
The Brenda Lee song.
- [92:56]
A
Oh, number one.
- [92:58]
B
Rocking around the Christmas tree.
- [93:01]
C
You know, fantastic Christmas soundtrack is Home Alone.
- [93:04]
A
SNL just did that. That was good. God damn. All right, one second song challenge. Email serving your fancy football Gmail dot com. If you want that playlist. Well, the Christmas one, honestly, you can look it up like just a Christmas playlist. But if you want the full version of the One Second Song Challenge, emails@ringer fancy football gmail.com.
- [93:18]
B
Sorry, Christmas. I apologize.
- [93:21]
A
Chris DK's Christmas Music Knowledge matches his current color palette today, which Millennial Gray. Millennial Gray.
- [93:29]
C
Dk, can you do you have one homework assignment and it's I'm going to send you a Christmas playlist and you have to listen to the whole thing this week.
- [93:36]
B
All right.
- [93:37]
A
It is.
- [93:37]
C
Don't you have to eat ground beef for a week straight?
- [93:40]
A
That's true. Just drop.
- [93:42]
B
Craig said, send me the Christmas spirit. I need some of yours.
- [93:47]
C
I do fucking love Christmas.
- [93:48]
A
Ringer107 this week's Ringer107 is presented by FanDuel.
- [93:53]
C
Seventeen weeks in, boys, and we are still somehow we're fucking hanging on.
- [93:57]
A
And I, I know people doing it help setting their lineups to the championships and everything, but honestly, recording this Tuesday afternoon, it's like the injury reports games Thursday and Saturday and Sunday and Monday and I'm like, I, we, we can try to help you on social and everything and DM us on Instagram or emails, but we'll set rankings and everything. But it's going to be, frankly, I don't think we're going to give like cutting edge analysis right now on Tuesday when you're going to have questions like five days, six days from now. So we're going to make our picks. Godspeed. If you're in the championship, are there any lines that stand out to you guys?
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C
Yes. Six of them.
- [94:27]
A
Phenomenal.
- [94:28]
C
Let's hear them. I think we could bet the favorites in every single Christmas Day game. You have Dallas favored by seven points against Josh Johnson. Mario, I don't think he's going to play. It's Detroit -7 against Max Brosmer. And then the night game, the Broncos minus 12 and a half versus Chris Ola. Duken. I'm like, so here's what I was thinking. You can parlay all those money lines together and It's. And it's minus 110.
- [94:54]
A
No, let's just do the Broncos minus 12 and a half or solo Duke. He's like, nate barely played football.
- [94:58]
C
You want to do all three of those? I kind of like all three.
- [95:01]
A
Just all the favorites to win on.
- [95:03]
C
Dallas minus seven versus Josh Johnson. Detroit bright minus seven versus Max Brosmer.
- [95:07]
A
Honestly, I kind of am. Okay.
- [95:09]
B
I had, I already had Lions and Broncos circled.
- [95:11]
A
So I'm, I'm down for the Washington one I like. The Cowboys one I like the least. But what are the other ones? I mean, Texans. Chargers, dude, the Texans.
- [95:17]
C
The other ones I like are, I like the packers minus two and a half versus Baltimore. I think Baltimore Gave up. I think Lamar's hurt. Isaiah likely's talking about how they're. What did he say? We ass as fuck.
- [95:29]
A
I have a rule when players say we ass as fuck, then I bet against them.
- [95:33]
C
Them I. If this line is still at a less than a field goal, it's at minus two and a half. Like the, the packers just came off a loss.
- [95:39]
A
Is Malik Willis playing or is Jordan.
- [95:40]
B
Love playing or either of them playing?
- [95:43]
A
Yeah, let's not do that. We can't bet if we don't. If Jordan Love misses this game, I don't want to bet on.
- [95:48]
C
All right, that's fair. Okay, the other one I was thinking about the Bucks minus five and a half playing the Dolphins.
- [95:53]
A
Sold. Quinn, you were sold, right?
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C
I'm just like the Bucs also still have a division title to play for. The game's in Miami, but it's like.
- [96:01]
A
Miami's running the ball. Well, maybe Miami wins the game outright. The Bucs are injured, but I just don't. Yeah, I'll just take Tampa Bay.
- [96:06]
B
They're also in Florida. They can fucking handle it.
- [96:09]
C
It's not really. And then the other one I have was the Patriots minus 12 and a half versus the fucking Jets.
- [96:13]
B
I had the Patriots on there. Yep.
- [96:15]
A
Wait, so are we going to break our record? Because like two weeks ago we, we bet we laid 58 points and we went four and one and so this week we'd be doing nearly like 42. So we did. Broncos giving 12 and a half, Cowboys giving seven. Lions giving seven bucks giving five and a half. Patriots giving 12 and a half. The only one I'd swap out. Cowboys giving seven up for the Texans getting points versus the Chargers and their fifth string tackles. I know they just played the Raiders, but Party wants to throw the game out.
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C
Why?
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A
I think great defenses respond. I think frankly sometimes that like I, I, I think the Texans just kind of lalagad because they thought they'd, they'd roll the Raiders.
- [96:49]
C
You feel more confident that the Texans are going to cover against a playoff Chargers team than the Cowboys can beat Josh Johnson by seven.
- [96:58]
A
I guess we can do the Cowboys.
- [96:59]
B
I like the Cowboys one. Yeah.
- [97:01]
A
All right, fine. So we'll do those five. So Lions, but Broncos, Cowboys, Bucks, Patriots giving 42 points combined.
- [97:06]
C
Well, I know that's like 44 points you're laying. Well, if it's. Why are you, are you nervous about Josh Johnson being competent?
- [97:13]
A
I just. The Cowboys are just a weird team, but no, screw it, let's do it. I think we're going to you know, five. And I, like, every week, I like this. Let's do it.
- [97:22]
C
I mean, it's just all favorites, but I'm like, I don't know. This is the time of year where, like, we're in losers bracket territory.
- [97:27]
A
The Giants getting important half. I just feel like the Giants are going to win this game, and the Giants are going to cost themselves.
- [97:32]
C
Oh, really?
- [97:33]
A
Well, I know. I guess I want to hope for that, but no, let's. Let's go with these five. I like these five.
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B
Yeah.
- [97:37]
C
I mean, the Giants are underdogs by a point and a half.
- [97:41]
A
Yeah.
- [97:41]
C
Against the fucking Raiders.
- [97:43]
A
Pretty pathetic. All right, let's do these five Pats, Bucks. We're also doing the quarterback, so. Yeah, it's the quarterback. So that. It's. It's Goff against Brosmer. It's Bo Nix against a lot of con. It's. It's.
- [97:52]
C
We are betting against Brady Cook, Quinn Ewers, Chris Oladucan, Max Brosmer, and Josh Johnson.
- [97:58]
A
Yeah, let's not overthink it like that.
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C
That's. That's. That's erotic.
- [98:02]
A
Yeah, that is pretty. That's pretty great. All right, today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel. Odd subject to change. All right, anything else you guys want to do? Christmas. Everything. I just want to shout. The Giants defensive line coach has prostate cancer, and he was like, get checked.
- [98:14]
B
And.
- [98:14]
A
Yeah. So, man, if you're listening, get your asses checked. If you're of a certain age, do it. It's very treatable.
- [98:19]
B
Yeah.
- [98:20]
A
Merry Christmas. Thank you to everyone who's been with us all year.
- [98:22]
C
Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, everybody. Please tweet us. You know, you're. If you're doing the one second song challenge. If you're baking cookies. Baking bread. I'm gonna make bread this holiday season. Send us what's going on. Tag us on Instagram. Whatever.
- [98:35]
A
Tag. Yeah. Bring your fantasy football on Instagram. Drop it in the discord if you want. The invite link is in the episode description. Thank you to the mods there. They're, you know, beef and swish. Got it going on. Thank you very much to DK and Craig. I'm thankful for you guys. Appreciate you guys. And also, shout out to Carlos and shout out to Kai and shout out to Cam and shout out to Austin. And thank you, Ronick, everyone who's helped us this season. And of course, thank you, Lorne.
- [99:01]
B
Lorne. Thank you, Judy Garland. I don't know. I clearly don't know much Christmas music, but thank you, Craig. Craig sent me his Christmas mix.
- [99:10]
A
Mix?
- [99:10]
C
Yeah.
- [99:11]
B
I cannot wait to look at this.
- [99:12]
C
I made that with my bare hands.
- [99:15]
B
I love a good mix. I'm not gonna lie. I wish that mixes were a more popular thing to share with each other.
- [99:20]
C
It was fun when you used to burn people's cities.
- [99:22]
B
People don't do it as much anymore. I feel like you could just find random mixes online. Where's the soul in that?
- [99:31]
C
Does Judy Garland have popular Christmas songs or did you just pick her because she sat. Because her name is Garland.
- [99:36]
B
She has have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas.
- [99:40]
C
I don't think I knew that she sang Christmas songs.
- [99:43]
B
I'm not gonna lie.
- [99:44]
A
Incredible Christmas song. It's an incredible Christmas song.
- [99:47]
C
Which one?
- [99:48]
A
It's have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas. It's Jackie's favorite Christmas song. Is Judy Garland.
- [99:54]
C
Fired up?
- [99:54]
A
Yeah, it's okay. All right. Thank you to everyone and. Yeah. Merry Christmas. Goodbye, everyone.
- [100:21]
C
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A
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B
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C
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