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Power Ranking Players We're NOT Thankful For, the Waddle Model, and Fantasy Court
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Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyford. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Robeck. And today it is power hour where we power rank something every Wednesday. And this week we are power ranking the players. We are not thankful for. We are not thankful for these people at all. Right, dk.
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It's the anti spirit of the season really. Which is what we're going for.
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C
These are the Stephen Glanberg's of the season. Derogatory, right?
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Yeah.
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B
These want them to sit alone eating the pudding.
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We haven't been talking enough about how bad and annoying they've been.
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This is. These are just people that like there's just too much gratitude right now this week. You know, there's a lot. Exactly. Overwhelming.
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C
Everything's going too well in the country. Globe like I'm just like, it's time to be a little negative for once.
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Yes, for once. So we wanted to just introduce a little negativity to your life because I'm sure no one has enough. And we for the most part stayed away from the burn book. These aren't. Except for a couple people. These are, these are new people that are bothering us that we.
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C
Yes, we've talked enough about the burn Books. The A.J. browns. Like we on them all the time. These are the people who deserve more hate.
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Exactly. So we thought that was a fitting spirit into Thanksgiving. So just a reminder. Well also just I'm at home. I'm at home in my parents house for Thanksgiving. I'm already here and so hence my, my background looks different. And then a reminder, as we go to the end of the season, we cover the whole year. It's not just fantasy. So we do the real NFL playoffs, we do the draft, we do free agency. We do everything. DK's draft expert. So we stick with us. We cover the playoffs. It's really fun. We do a good job. Honestly off season, kind of weirder, more better. So stick with us all year. But with that said for power Hour, we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter. This season, fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money trade. Banking fees for fee free banking. 1.5% cash back getting paid. When you say. And a higher APY on your savings. That's the lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services. And the secured Chime Visa credit card provided by the Bancorp Bank NA or Stride bank. NA members FDIC optional services and products may have fees or charges details@chime.com fees info with a qualifying direct deposit, earn 1.5% cash back on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at Chime. All right, getting into power hour here. For those who don't know, this is the way it works. Deacon Craig sent me a bunch of players they hated power. Ranked them all, and every two minutes you're going to hear this sound.
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C
Man, what a song. I tell you what I am thankful for is Tom. Tom.
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The only people don't disappoint us, however, we didn't really power rank these players today. Instead, we're going to go by the models, we're going to go by the analysis, the hardcore statistics. Right, Craig?
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That's right. Last year we came up with our own proprietary model to determine how frustrating a player has been. And it was based off, you know, when you're on your fantasy platform and you're looking at the projections each week, that dictates a lot. I gotta say, even myself, a fantasy expert like myself, sometimes I will see that Romeo Dubs is projected more than Kenan Allen. And even if I like the matchup more from Keenan Allen, if Romeo dubs is projected 10 and Keenan Allen is projected 9, it's hard for your brain to not be anchored to the 10. And this exercise is about our beloved Jalen Waddle. This is how we thought of it. Jalen Waddle last year had one of the most frustrating seasons in fantasy football history, or since at least the show's been around. And what we notice is that every goddamn week Jalen waddle was projected 12, 13, 14 points and the MF never delivered. And then we came up with the Waddle model, which is how often does this player actually reach the projection that is listed on the fantasy platform? And today we're going to go through the. The 10, 11 guys that reached that projection the least.
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And to be clear here, the Waddle model, the water model, you could argue that maybe you want, you know, high variance players who are going to, like, when they go below it, they go a little below, but they go way over. Having said, that is undeniably infuriating. When someone is projected for 15 points and they get like six, it actually drives you crazy when it happens over and over and you're like, they can't hit that number.
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What's happiness? He expectation minus reality.
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Yeah, there you go. That's.
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C
It's a real, like, now the projections are starting to look up when it's like week 10 and it's, it's another 12 or for DK Metcalf and he's not gonna hit it.
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Yeah, it just bothers me.
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That is what all these stats are now. It's like over expectation or whatever points over expectation, value of expectation. And like what we're trying to explain, as DK says, happiness is expectation minus reality. We're like, what is the, the happiness under expectation is really kind of what we're trying to quantify here. So happiness over, I guess that would be ho. We'll come.
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B
We, we.
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We'll figure out a better name for that. But with that said, we ranked these players based on how we were ranking them by how little they hit the waddle model, like how high they are in the waddle model, how infrequently they actually hit the number that they're predicted for. And without further ado, we're going to power rank players in the water model who have pissed us off this year, starting with number one. Really. This is how you know you want a good stat to match the eye test. This episode is brought to you by Ford Blue Cruise. It's not just where you're going, it's how you get there. And Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology helps make the journey more enjoyable. We took it for a test drive so we could experience the convenience for ourselves. So I tested the Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology last month and it was amazing. I was blown away. Like we're just on the highway and you can just hit a blinker and it just changes lanes and you can set how many car lengths ahead you want the truck to be in front of or behind the car. Like how far you want it from the nearest car. It was amazing. I was, I didn't realize we were there. I felt like I was living the future. So it was, it was absolutely mind blowing. With Ford BlueCruise, you arrive at your destination ready to take on whatever comes your way. But don't just take our word for it. Experience the convenience for yourself. Ford Blue Cruise Hands free highway driving for a hands on life available feature on BlueCruise equipped vehicles. BlueCruise requires a connected services plan and modem activation. BlueCruise Driver Assist features can be activated in hands free blue zones and do not replace safe driving and drivers need to control the vehicle. See Ford.com BlueCruise for more details on available plans and hands free models. And this guy, number one, Brian Thomas Jr. The receiver from the Jaguars. Two minutes on the clock here. DK Brian Thomas Jr. Has hit his projected figure 13% of the time this year.
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He said he's hit on the waddle model. One out of eight games played one season, one time game this year. He was by the way the wide receiver 8 15th overall player in fantasy in average draft position prior to the season. Right now he is not that high in the rankings. He is wide receiver 44. If you're looking at points per game, 8.8 points per game. That is like below replacement level. Think of some of the other receivers that can hit 8.8 K. Sean Booty is right, like right behind Brian Thomas in that rank. Trey Tucker, Romeo Dubs, Alec Pierce, Troy Franklin. These are guys you're picking up on the waiver wire. Brian Thomas was a almost first round pick in fantasy drafts after going for 1282 yards and 10 touchdowns as a rookie. I think expectations were sky high obviously for this guy. Um, and he is flamed out harder I think than almost any player in fantasy football this season. You might be the most disappointing player in fantasy.
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I mean you could keep going outside of this year. I mean like when is the last time there has been a breakout rookie like a Brian Thomas who. I mean, I wouldn't say people expected him to be awesome coming in as a prospect. He was a late first round pick, but he exploded 87 catches, almost 1300 yards and 10 touchdowns as a rookie. With Trevor Lawrence, they get Liam Cohen coming in. I mean I. 1200 yards and 10 touchdowns. I would have said everybody would say that was his floor.
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B
We thought he was the next like Justin Jefferson, you know what I mean?
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C
I mean there's like just legitimate questions now if he's good at all, right?
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Yeah.
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And I think also in addition to obviously just being disappointing in fantasy, he's been really disappointing. It just doesn't feel like he has. It almost feels like he has the yips. He has so many drops. He has seven drops in eight games after having six drops all of last season in 17 games. If you remember. I believe he finished fourth in total points among receivers last year. Something like that. It was, you know, he, he just was absolute rocket ship and everybody was excited about what he was going to do this year and he's absolutely flamed out.
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C
So.
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B
Yeah, I don't, honestly, like, I don't, I don't know if he's good. Like I don't know if he'll, if he'll come back at this point.
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He will be one of the most fascinating talking points next offseason where Brian Thomas goes and if he is the ultimate Bilo post type sleeper, the next.
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Tier number two players who disappointed us here on the waddle model, players we're not thankful for. Dk, you put down just the Washington Commanders as a team.
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B
Yeah, this is like real football and fantasy football. The Commanders have absolutely just, you know, cratered after being one of the most exciting, sexiest teams in the NFL last year. Jayne Daniels came in as a rookie, lit it up. He was posting almost 22 points per game in fantasy, I think, and I said this in the offseason, I think he might be the hardest player to get in fantasy drafts coming into the season. And Jaden Daniel so far is beaten the waddle model one out of six games. And obviously, look, I understand that injuries are a huge part of this this year, but that was.
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Which one was it? Was it the hamstring pole or was it the knee sprain or was it the elbow dislocation?
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And. But, but I think kind of that is.
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Yeah.
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Baked into the evaluation with Jayden Daniels. That was why we were really nervous about him. Kind of coming into the NFL is like he has a really slight frame. Is he going to be able to hold up at the NFL level? He takes a lot of hits. I don't think he's taken like absurd hits once he's gotten to the league. But the injury thing has definitely been a huge factor and he does not play well relative to what he is, you know, when he's healthy. And we're seeing that with like Lamar this year too. So. Jayden Daniels, unfortunately, I understand that injuries have been a big part of this, but he's been one of the most disappointed, pointing players in the NFL this year. I'd say in fantasy and he might not come back this year. He obviously dislocated his elbow. But yeah, I mean, he's, he's. His rushing has gone down, his total production has gone down after. After averaging, like I said, 21 points per game last year. It's like down to 18 this year. So, yeah, it's super disappointing. Obviously he was supposed to be the chosen one. He was supposed to lead people to championships and that's not happening.
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I still believe when Anakin was said he was the chosen one, he also got his arm cut off, so.
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B
Oh, God.
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Whoa.
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Great call. Maybe would you say it worked out for Anakin or.
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No, for a while he had a good career.
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I mean, he kind of crushed for.
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A long time, didn't work out for the younglings.
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C
You know what I mean? We don't really know how old Darth Vader was when he died. Do we. Do we have his age?
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He looked old, but the other. I mean, Shane Bowen, who the Giants just fired as the defensive coordinator, looks like he's 60 and he's like 37. So I don't know.
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Yeah, so if Jaden turns into Darth, Not a bad run, I would say is the commander of the Death Star. I mean, that's, you know, it's pretty sick.
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The. Just to add to that real quick, McLaurin. Terry McLaurin. Also highly disappointed in fantasy. Obviously, injuries played a huge factor, but even when he was in. Didn't really do a whole lot. His best game this year, three catches for 54 yards and a touchdown.
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Yeah. Bill Merritt also. Who's in the burn book? The whole team has been a disaster.
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Brian Robinson was traded and some people maybe drafted him, and then Brian Robinson was traded. The whole team has just been horrific. So it's a good. Eckler tore his Achilles Y. Yeah, Just absolute disaster. TK the next one here we have top three, baby.
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C
You got all three.
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You're.
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You're.
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You eyeballed it really well. You eyeballed, yeah. These guys suck ass. The. The third one, this one's just sad. This is an old yeller situation. Alvin Camara, the running back for the Saints.
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Yeah, this one, I actually was surprised how poorly he's done this year relative to, I think, what I had imagined.
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A
He.
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He isn't in. In the waddle model. He's 2 out of 11. He is hit. He's hit his projections, which haven't even. His projections haven't even been that high. Um, and he's only hit it twice this season. Out of 11 tries, he's averaging 7.6 points per game.
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C
You guys, I love The Waddle model.
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7.6 points per game. He's behind Kyle Manangai, Kamani Vidal, Kenneth Gainwell, Kareem Hunt. Again, waiver wire editions. This guy was RB 15th, sorry, RB 15 in ADP coming into the year, 37th overall. You were spending like a third, fourth, fifth rounder on him. And I think, obviously, I think age is catching up with him a little bit. He's been banged up. But this offense is atrocious. They're not passing him the ball. He has the. He has a career low target rate this season, just 10%. His touches are down. He's. He's. He's averaging six fewer touches per game this season than he did last year. He has one game with double digit points in the last five weeks and now he's hurt. So he didn't really help you in fantasy whatsoever.
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And he's extremely loyal. For reasons that remain unclear, he doesn't want to leave.
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The worst part this wants to retire a saint. He was like, you want to go somewhere before the trade deadline? You want to go to Kansas City, you want to go play somewhere cool? He's like, no, I want to retire here with the Saints. Which I get it. Retiring in New Orleans is probably cool. And you know what kind of cool? That he's actually like a loyal athlete. We used to say we wanted those. But you know what I actually realized when he said that? That I don't want loyal athletes.
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Loyalty lies to my fantasy team.
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Yeah, if your team is basically never good, I don't think you need to be loyal. If, if your team always has a fighting shot, yeah, you'd be loyal. But if you guys are winning four games, like four out of five years in every decade, like you can go.
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When they had Sean Payton and Drew Brees and they should have made a Super bowl and they robbed of it. The problem is that Alvin Camara, like maybe he doesn't know the Saints are like just a money laundering operation that happened to be an N team.
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What I mean, when is the last time the Saints had a winning record?
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2021. 2020. They should have beaten the Bucks in the super. In the playoffs when Tom Brady went and won the super bowl. The Bucks, the Saints were like winning that game.
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20, 21, they were nine and eight.
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2023, they were nine and eight. Oh, you know what, by the way, Alvin Camara, one touchdown this year total.
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I mean he, he looks not good. So that's. This is hard. I will say though, surprising person in this list, but someone we've not talked enough about. This was a good snipe Craig you had among players we are not thankful for. Saquon Barkley.
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This is a good one.
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Saquon Barkley on The Waddle model. 3 out of 11 games. He has reached his projection. 3 out of 11. I want to just honestly look at some of the raw numbers for a second. He is the RB17 in points per game. He is scoring one more point per game than Breece hall and DeAndre Swift. He's averaging 62 yards rushing per game, which is also 17th last year he. Last year he averaged 125. This year, 62. Last year 125.
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He's averaging a 60 yard touchdown every game. Last year.
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He was averaging literally double last year, which was the second most of the last decade. He's averaging 3.7 yards per carry, which is 36th in the NFL. 3.6 yards of carry, 36 in the underval. Last year it was 5.8, which was second. And to me, the biggest difference with this is the yards before contact. Last year he was first. Two and a half yards, basically before contact. This year he's 20th, 1.4. And I, I really do think that, like, do I think Saquon's worst. No. I mean, maybe. Maybe the mileage is catching up to him a little bit, but I still think Saquon's a bit.
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Yeah.
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Yes. I really do think all that comes out to yards before contact. We talked about this with Derrick Henry when he was entering Baltimore, about how he went from the team with the lowest yards before contact to the teams with the highest yards before contact. And what did Derek Henry do? He ran for 1900 yards. At 30 years old, it really is quite. I do think it's like you need to find the offensive line in the scheme and you will find the gem. And it's like even with Liam Cohen and the Jags this year, I got it wrong. I thought it was Tank Bigsby, but the process was correct. And look what Travis Etienne is doing and what Liam Cohen did with the Bucs rushing game with Bucky Irving two years ago. Like, even what Ben Johnson is doing with DeAndre Swift. Yards before contact is like the clearest sign of which players you should draft and which ones you shouldn't. And I guess we couldn't predict that was going to happen with the Eagles and the offensive line issues and the Kevin Patullo of it all. But I do think it all comes down to that.
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I mean, I totally agree. I mean, also, just Lane Johnson being banged up, and I still think multiple Eagles linemen got hurt in Week one and they kind of just on the same play and then they kind of can play through it. But the Eagles offensive line hasn't been the same and that's made the whole offense, the whole offense worse because the offensive line's banged up so Saquon can't run. And also it's about getting to the second level, which they talk about all the time. But the idea that if the line blocks it properly, if, if, if Saquon's able to get into the secondary and either make linebackers or ideally safeties and cornerbacks have to make a tackle, that's when he's able to make a play. And because Saquon was getting the three yards before contact, what that really means is it's being blocked as designed and, and he's making two people miss because they're in the secondary. So that's how he's breaking off a 60 yard run in the fourth quarter every other week. That's what's missing.
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Yeah, because you know, any Kareem Hunt can probably get three yards just as good as Saquon can or close. It's what happens when you get to that second level that separates the great running backs from the average ones. And if you're not allowing your running back, it's like Derek Henry, once Derek Henry gets like five yards past line of scrimmage, like he's the best running back in the league, but before that he's one of the worst. And so you need to get your, I, I mean it sounds, it's really obvious, but you got to give your best running backs room to run and then they can actually showcase what their skills are.
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We've said all the time Saquon's like a home run hitter. And I think it's kind of similar to if you, if there's a, if it's 380ft to center field or whatever and you hit it 360, it's pretty close to a home run. But it's a pop out even if you hit it to the warning track. And I think that's what a lot of these sake 1 runs are last year where they were really close to be like the, it's a very thin margin between having a 60 yard touchdown run sometimes and like a 7 yard run. And he just hasn't had any of those pop. So yes, he also has not had.
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B
Nearly as many gold go rushes. I was just looking at his gold goal rush opportunities this year. He's had 10. Last year it was 22. I mean he, he is 19th. Like Ashton Genti has just as many goal to go rushes on the Raiders as Saquon does. So it's just bizarre.
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Yeah, I mean the line, the Eagles line is again, this is why originally everyone was saying you don't pay running backs is because when you don't have any plus offensive line, you know, it looks like this.
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C
They're averaging four less points a game this year. The Eagles, they scored 27 a game last year. They're putting up 23 a game this year.
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Number five players. We're not thankful for JG McCarthy and the all of the Minnesota Vikings. Specifically what J.J. mcCarthy has done to the Minnesota Vikings. I have been very hard on McCarthy last few weeks for the mechanical stuff and how again among qualifying passing seasons, JJ McCarthy is like 851 out of 852. But we haven't talked enough about the effect this has on the other players. Justin Jefferson has surpassed his projected points this season. Three out of 11 weeks.
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Were those with all with Wentz?
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Most of them, yeah. I mean, yeah, almost all of them actually because J.J. mcCarthy again, he had a high ankle sprain in week two. Actually, yeah, I think they all were with Wentz, except for one last week. Maybe McCarthy had this high ankle sprain. He missed two months, he came back. And the last three weeks with McCarthy, I mean Jordan Addison last three weeks is fewer fantasy points than Terrell Shavers. Justin Jefferson is like outside the top 40. The last three weeks since McCarthy came back, I mean Justin Jefferson's been worse than like Darnell Moody, TJ Hawkinson, who was like a top two tight end in fantasy football in 2023 or 2022. Hawkinson's like the 24th tight end in fantasy. He's like unplayable.
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B
He's irrelevant.
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Aaron Jones is basically on a points per game basis like Tony Pollard. Like none of the Vikings are playable. This team won 14 games last year and was unbelievable. Has multiple first round picks all over the offense and you literally there. To me, this is fantasy purgatory. You can't bench Justin Jefferson. And also now JJ McCarthy has a concussion that they say was reported on the flight back home. So now Max Brosmer, who is the quarterback at New Hampshire and the University of Minnesota is going to start against the Seattle Seahawks next week. You can't bench Justin Jefferson, but he's not going to play well. This is a nightmare. Deacon, what are we going to do.
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C
This or will he play well? Or is Max. The question is, is ma Max Brosmer going to pass the waddle model more.
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B
Than JJ McCarthy the next Josh Dobbs?
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I mean this is CRA. Also the concussion thing. I look, it's a very thin line when you start getting into whether a team is faking injuries or whatever to shadow bench a player because they don't want to bench JJ McCarthy. And on one hand, yeah, it would be good. JJ McCarthy got a concussion and he self reported symptoms on the plane. That's good. And players should, should report concussions. It is undeniably the most convenient concussion I've ever seen in terms of like we literally were like, wow, this guy's unplayable. They're playing a Top three defense next week, and then he has this. I don't know. I mean, if Max Brossberg comes out and plays well, it's actually, I, I, it's almost borderline concerning. But the Vikings, to me, are a good example of, like, I don't know how you play Jordan Addison, who's like a top. He's not even a top 60 receiver.
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B
Good call there. Criminy. Yeah, this is tough. I feel like a lot of these guys as we're talking, it's just such a, the, the thing that comes to my mind is man environment is so important, and that's like, one of the harder things to predict prior to the season. Or maybe it's not that hard and we just kind of ignore a lot of signs.
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Jefferson in them.
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Yeah, I mean, talking like, you know, the, the, the offense environment, obviously, for the Eagles, it's the offensive line fell apart and then their offense fell apart. For the Vikings, J.J. mcCarthy was, I mean, he, he's exponentially worse than I think anyone expected. I thought it would be okay. I thought he would, I thought it would work. I didn't think it was gonna be as good as last year with Sam Darnold, but I thought it would be okay and it would work. It has not.
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We talked about this entering the season. It was very similar with the quarterback in Minnesota to the offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay, where we were worried about it in 2023 with Darnold, and then they were so much better than we thought that entering this year, we're like, well, we basically are trusting Kevin o'. Connell. The same went Tampa Bay when they swapped out Dave Canales for Liam Cohen. And we were a little worried about Tampa. And then it was totally fine. Then Liam Cohen leaves. We're like, well, this time it'll be fine. In Tampa, we're not. And so in minute you look at Minnesota, we, we were like, well, what are the odds that J.J. mcCarthy, every time he completes a pass, it'll feel like a miracle. And you're like, ah, it's fine.
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C
Not to toot my own horn, but I was low on Justin Jefferson this year. I had him. Like, you were outside of the first round. Because I, I was like, the risk is too high that all the other guys like CD Lamb and Jamar Chase, I. Even though half their, like, burrow got hurt and whatnot, but I was like, at least I know their quarterbacks are good. I don't know that the thing we.
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Need to come back to next year is I think that sometimes more like, oh, well, it becomes a statistical thing of like, well, what are the chances that the quarterback's bad? And we need to remember the emotions of what it's like to watch a really talented, healthy player not be able to get the football and how. What the toll it takes. Not about them, about me. It's about what it's like for us to watch Justin Jefferson. Like, I. I die a little inside every time Justin Jefferson's open and doesn't get the ball. Probably hard for him, too.
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C
And it's. You can see that on his face.
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Yeah. Number six here. Players are not thankful for. Craig, your son, lad McConkey, receiver for the Chargers.
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C
This is difficult for you, I know. I think dk, DK disagrees with this a little bit. I think DK is a bigger LAD defender. I have Lad in two of my three leagues this year, so I've kind of felt day to day how frustrating he's been. Waddle model. 4 out of 11 games, he's hit his projection. And so look, he's the wide receiver, 27 this year. Last year he was the wide receiver 16, but he finished the season, really, the last 10 weeks of the season, he was like a top 10 guy. And the tough part was like, all the underlying metrics are great. His yards per route run, he was like eighth in the NFL in yards.
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Per route run last year, 200 yards in the playoffs against the Texans.
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He. He was like, literally already in rarefied air of like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase and Tyreek Hill. Like he was putting up yards per route run stats like them. So kind of like the ceiling was the roof for lad McConkey. And this year it's just been incredibly mediocre. And it's funny, if you look at everything, it's like target rates the same. Snaps are the same. The amount of routes he's running are the same. The biggest difference is, like, explosive play rate. And last year, you look at what he did last year, he had a 25% explosive play rate, which is incredibly. Jackson, Smith. And Jigba has a 25% explosive play rate this year right now. And that's what lad McConkey was doing last year. And this year it's like down to 15%, which is a normal number.
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B
And I'm wondering the touchdown rate for quarterbacks, like, if it's an outlier number, you have to kind of assume it's going to go down.
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C
Like, I think Lad's good. I think Lad is probably somewhere between last year and this year. And I'm one You know, it's hard. It feels like every season we say with the Chargers, well, you have to throw out this year and we'll pick things back up next year because this year's a disaster. Their team is like fine, but like the offensive line, it's just like they're just not doing what they could be doing. Based on what we saw early on in the season, he's not scoring that many touchdowns. So it's, it's just been, it's just been mediocre.
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B
Yeah, I think the, the post mortem thing with, with Lad in terms of like what, what are the lessons that we learned here, you know, in projecting this second year explosion from lad McConkey when it just hasn't come is I think a couple things happened that, that stifled this in addition to the team is just not as explosive, you know, all that stuff. Quentin Johnston was like a massive sensation for the first like month of the season or whatever it was. They signed Keenan Allen with like two weeks left in the, in the preseason and he came in and like stole a bunch of targets.
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A
If you drafted, if you drafted Lad McConkey in the third round, it's such a kick in the nuts for Quentin Johnson or Ande Gads and Keenan Allen to be better than him.
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B
No, I mean look, people in the dynasty streets liked around a Gadson. He's like a good like receiver esque type tight end. But no, I don't think anyone expected him to do this this early and this like this dramatically.
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C
But again, his target rate is exactly the same this year as it was last year. It's the fact that every time they threw to him last year was like a 30 yard play and that's just not happening this year.
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A
Yeah, well, that's been infuriating, which is.
- [26:54]
C
Maybe we should have good. It's. I think he's going to end up being between last year and this year. Is he the wide receiver eight? No. But is he probably the wide receiver like 15 or 16? Yes. He's not the wide receiver 27, which he is this year.
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A
I think if the Bills had drafted Lad McConkey instead of Keon Coleman, the Bills probably would have made the super bowl last year and might make another super bowl and they won't because they took Keon Coleman who's a healthy scratch for them currently.
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B
Dude, LAD on the Bills would be a lot of fun.
- [27:25]
A
Imagine if lad McConkey was the one. Khalil Shakir was their number two. Dalton Kincaid was like their third option. When he's healthy and then they had James Cook instead of Keon Coleman, who literally is not being dressed for games because he can't play football anyway. Other than that.
- [27:40]
B
Okay, dude, all the. All these sliding door moments in the NFL are tough. All the choices. What if. What if they. What if the Chiefs are drafted?
- [27:48]
A
Lad, the Chiefs traded up with the Bills.
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C
I'm happy, lads. On the Chargers, like, I think it's fun and it's good for her, but I like it. I just needs. It just needs to work.
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B
Yeah.
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C
The offensive line needs to block and not tear all of their ligaments in their knee every year.
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A
Yeah. Come on, get on that show. What are you doing? Next up, we should name this after this guy. Number seven on the list of players we are not thankful for. We should just name the. The annual we're not thankful list after this person. Kyle Pitts.
- [28:18]
B
At this point, I just feel bad.
- [28:20]
A
I think it's my fault. It's not his fault anymore.
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B
Anymore.
- [28:23]
A
It's cow. It's my fault. It's not Kyle Pitts's fault.
- [28:25]
B
That's.
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C
That's actually true.
- [28:26]
B
Fully once, shame on you.
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A
Shame on me. Exactly. Fool me twice, won't be.
- [28:31]
B
Yeah, gonna be shaming me.
- [28:34]
A
Not gonna be shamed again. I. Sometimes when Kyle Pitts drops a pass, I just think of that line in 8 mile in the beginning of the rap battle where he's like, I'm sick of this motherfucker. Like, I just. I just. I fucking hate him.
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C
What's the waddle model?
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A
The waddle model on Kyle Pitts is he has failed to hit it seven out of 11 weeks. Yeah. And I don't think that even tells the full story because he's never really gone over it by any meaningful amount. Kyle Pitts, the la. I mean, I saw, I have him in the ringer league and my team's doing well, I'm in first place and tight end is escaping gaping black hole for me because I think one of you actually cut someone. Cut Kyle Pitts when he went on by in week five and I picked him up and I'm like, man, maybe Kyle Pitts will make me. You know, it's never worked out for anyone else, but could work for me. And since the buy, when I loot.
- [29:22]
B
Themselves into believing something, that it'll work, but.
- [29:24]
A
Yeah, never works for anyone, but it could work for us. Since the buy, when I added Kyle Pitts, he has three points. 9, 10, 5, 4, 2, and 3 points. Kyle Pitts has 11 touchdowns in five seasons. This guy averages two touchdowns a season.
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C
And mind you, like, Mooney's hurt the whole season. Drake London's been out like Drake London didn't play last week. Kyle Pitts had two catches for 25.
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A
Yards and honestly he did a cadarius Tony. He dropped a pass off his chest that was picked sixth. So he honestly had a super net. He would have been better. The Falcons would have won by more if he didn't play it down.
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C
I think we can, if we can officially say that we are now, it's, it is over. We're never going to mention Kyle Pitts's name again in fantasy.
- [30:08]
B
Well, so this is next August.
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A
No, but this is the thing. So in real life, in fantasy, I'm like, oh, we'll never take him again this experiment. So we're in year five of Kyle Pitts. But here's the thing. He's taken fourth overall. He had a thousand yards as a rookie hurt his mcl, loss of explosiveness. But also he's just a big receiver. He's not a tight end. He's a below average receiver and frankly he doesn't have the habits of an elite NFL player. I think that's clear at this point. There's still talk about him developing offenses. He's no details. He doesn't know the soft spots and non stuff. Having said that, he's a free agent. Someone else is going to sign him. Atlanta's not going to resign him. He's going to go somewhere and guess what we're going to talk ourselves into, dude. I mean Kyle Pitts, I mean. Yeah, but he signed with the Rams. Like he's going to be in these Sean McVeigh, 12 personnel, two tight end sets. He's going to sign somewhere and we're going to talk ourselves into Kyle Pitts again next year and then we'll do it the year after too because like, well now he's a full off season.
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C
Which, which very famous hall of Fame tight end is retiring after this season.
- [31:06]
A
He's going to get the Chiefs. Kyle Pitts in Kansas City.
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C
That's the only way I think we would talk about him is if he goes to the fucking.
- [31:13]
A
Kyle Pitts to Kansas City replaces Kelsey. I will say that's actually not bad because the Chiefs are the kings of like. We don't care what this first round guy did. We don't care what crime he committed. We don't care why he was cut. The Chiefs will give up anyone who's a first round pick.
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C
The Chiefs, Tyree, Cadarius, Tony also, don't you think it's an ick that Kyle Pitts has senior next to his name. It just makes him feel old for.
- [31:33]
A
Someone who's done so little. Yes.
- [31:34]
B
It's weird for someone who's 21 years old.
- [31:37]
C
Like he feels when I watch him, he. He looks 31 to me.
- [31:41]
A
He does. He doesn't look. He the. The player that looked so athletic in Florida and even his rookie year, like he doesn't resemble that. But he's honestly, he's like a bad clear out receiver. He's.
- [31:55]
B
I'm trying to remember, was he one of the guys that we. That you guys tried to turn the key on and I was just like, I can't do.
- [32:00]
A
Yes.
- [32:00]
C
You refused. Was going to pay you for $40.
- [32:04]
A
To put me cold hard cash. He was going undrafted. Did basically. I was like 150th.
- [32:09]
B
I would rather have no one on my team.
- [32:11]
A
Speaking of which.
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C
Speaking of. I'd rather have no one.
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A
Speaking rather. All right, number eight, Marvin Harrison Jr. Cardinals receiver players were not thankful for who also has hit The Waddle model. Four out of 11 weeks and one of them three and a half. He hit it exactly on the dot. Which I don't even know what to do with that. It's really three out of 11 weeks. I.
- [32:31]
B
That's a push.
- [32:32]
A
Yeah, you are, you know, you're a draft expert at the ringer. You're not under fire. Literally everyone. Shart.
- [32:39]
B
It's a shart.
- [32:40]
A
Every. You know what the irony is? It is a shart from Arvin Dortch.
- [32:43]
B
Is better at this point.
- [32:44]
A
Dorch is better. Michael Wilson, I trust Dorch more. How many. You know what the irony is? Marvin Harrison Jr. Is billed to us as this generational player. And I think both in fantasy football and also in real life, I think Marvin Harrison's a completely average player.
- [33:00]
C
Dude.
- [33:01]
A
Maybe the most average receiver in the NFL.
- [33:04]
C
The. I love that Michael Wilson in the first game that Marvin Harrison Jr. Is out has 18 targets. He has 185 yards. He got 15 balls and we were like. And I was like, DK, is that going to happen again? Intrusive thought. Is he better than Marvin Harrison Jr. And all of us are like, no, come on. There's no way he's going to do that. Literally the next week he has 10 catches for 118 yards. Literally two games better than Marvin Harrison Jr. Has ever had. In the first two games Michael Wilson has played without Marvin Harrison Jr.
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A
Yeah, he's just not.
- [33:36]
B
It's getting tough to watch.
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C
I'm happy High. Vince, I feel like you and I were the most staunchly. Like, I don't want anything to do with them and I don't care. If I miss out, I'll miss out.
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A
There's a lesson I. I actually, I. The. The. Probably the badge of honor I wear the most as a. In my. I've never had Marvin Harrison Jr. On any team in any league. And I have 10 leagues and I've never had him on any of my teams. And I will say even. You know, it's so funny. The dumbest takes we have end up being the best. Our joke that if this was still Marvin Harrison's son, but just named Fred and you didn't have to say Marvin Harrison Jr. The whole time, he would have been drafted behind Blake Neighbors. I think that's true.
- [34:10]
C
If his name was Fred McDougall.
- [34:12]
A
If his name was Fred McDougall son of Marvin Harrison, like, he wouldn't have been drafted that high. And. But everything. But here's. It's. Statistically averages 10 fantasy points a game. I mean, all the. Statistically, he's average. Statistically. His yards per route run the season is 1.63 from Marvin Harrison. He's tied with Jacoby Myers, just ahead of Matt Collins, just behind Josh Palmer. Those are the three most average fucking receivers in the league. Like, Matt Collins is a blocker. Like, you know what I mean?
- [34:36]
B
And then.
- [34:36]
A
But the other thing. That's it. Athletically, Marvin looks so average, and it's kind of like Shador Sanders not doing anything at the combine and obviously different players. But you look back at Marvin Harrison not running a 40, and you're like, oh, maybe it's because he's really slow. And then you watch him play football and he's really slow and nothing. He doesn't have any NFL traits that are above average. His separation, his route running, like, his contested catch, all these things. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess my favorite catch he had in college was against Toledo.
- [35:05]
C
We're gonna have to do an investigation series in the offseason called Danny Kelly Investigates. And we're. And we're gonna look back on busts and be like, what? How did we all Miss Marvin Harrison Jr. We're gonna do that because it needs to be talked about.
- [35:18]
A
We really should. Because honestly, his best game of the year was against Seattle. We had a clutch stuff down the stretch. They were down 14, but they tied the game. And then Seattle won. Even that was Thursday football, which you kind of want to throw out his. I'm just saying his Other best games this year, like Dallas when Dallas was giving up 430 yards a game. Marvin Harrison junior's other game, best game was against Seattle when they were down 38 to 7. And then he added those yards. Look, if you take those things out, like he's got like eight fantasy points a game. He's the fourth pick in the draft with that. Where every receiver behind him was good. Anyway, anyway, I'm not thankful for him.
- [35:50]
B
Yeah, it's pretty brutal.
- [35:52]
A
Next up here, number nine players are not thankful. I was, I was most surprised by this of any player anyone submitted. Craig, you said Jordan Love for the packers you're not thankful for.
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C
Look, I know that Waddle Model 5 out of 11 games, which I guess isn't terrible, but I, I, it's the spike weeks aren't there and I think what's, I think what's tough about Jordan Love is I do think he's a good quarterback and I think I've now accepted that he's just better in real life than he is in fantasy. And you always got to play. You're basically throwing darts to hit the pocket pastor. That's going to pop in fantasy every year. This year's hits are Stafford, obviously, Dak Prescott, if you count Herbert as a pocket passer, although he's been rushing a lot, but you know there's like two or three pocket passers who hit every year. Jordan Loveman is the quarterback, 18. He has two touchdowns in his last four games. They just don't pass the ball that much. They just don't. They have the third lowest pass rate in the NFL and their defense is good. Their defense is top five in points allowed. And it's like Jordan Love, arm talent wise, might be one of the best passers in the league. And he's just a little bit of a game manager. And I think he's a really frustrating player to watch at times. It feels like the easy stuff is hard and the hard stuff is easy. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. And it's just like, I think I think of him in a different way now. I think this was the year I was like, all right, this is year three. Last year he had the knee injury in Brazil to start the season. We kind of, I guess we'll throw out the whole year. And now it's like this is a team that runs the ball, that game manages and that wins low scoring games. And that's who Jordan Love is.
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A
Well, the game managers thing is funny because I think you're right. That Matt LaFleur kind of wants a game manager. Like Steven Ruiz has the joke where Matt LaFleur just wants to run the ball to impress his friends, which I think is a little true. But dk, I don't know. It's funny because you're right that I think Jordan Love sometimes gets pigeonholed to be a game manager. But Jordan Love also has all the instincts of complimentary and derogatory of like a Trevor Lawrence where incredible plays. You're like, I don't know how many people. I don't even know if there's five other people who can make that throw on the planet. And also, Jordan Love has a lot of instincts to do dumb shit.
- [37:47]
B
Yeah. And it's funny because he is how many years into his career now? Obviously he sat for like four.
- [37:53]
A
How do you count? Three years?
- [37:54]
C
Like his sixth year, but it's his third year as a starter.
- [37:57]
B
Yeah. And I'm still not really sure what to think of him. It's kind of in the same vein as Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has just started every year his career.
- [38:06]
A
So it's like Jordan Love has played better.
- [38:08]
B
Oh, I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's as bad. Like, I'm pretty much out on Lawrence at this point. But like, I still think it's more like I just don't know if he's. He's the real deal. You know what I mean? I think I'm just not quite sold that he is in that elite echelon.
- [38:24]
C
Sometimes he's like a quarterback you can.
- [38:26]
B
Win with but not win.
- [38:27]
C
Because sometimes the way I look at a quarterback, especially in fantasy but also in real life, is like, if they're playing a tough defense, do I second guess playing them in fantasy? Do I think about them as potentially losing the game for the team? And Jordan Love is a guy where it's like, if they play the Cowboys, absolutely start Jordan Love. But if they play Denver, I'm like, ah, you know what I mean? Like, there are guys like that where I'm like, mahomes said it. Forget Josh Allen said it, Forget Matt Stafford. I don't care. He'll figure it out. Like, I trust those guys. Jordan Love is not in that camp.
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A
To me, if you had to not taking guy for the rest of their career and not taking someone for next week, but if you had to win the super bowl next season and let's just say everyone's healthy, so everyone's like magically back to 100% health. I kind of want to just play this game for two seconds of where you would take Jordan Love you to win the super bowl next year.
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C
Wait on their current teams or I'm starting a new.
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A
You're starting a new team and you get to this quarterback. Because I'm trying to not punish Burrow for having an injury. You know what I mean? Or like it's fresh team. But I think obviously Patrick Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, you would take over him, right? I think Matt Stafford for next season, you would certainly take Dakota. Right. That's all unanimous. Those are five guys. Herbert, that's six. Burrow is seven.
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C
Yep.
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A
Drake, that's.
- [39:43]
B
That's where you start to talk about.
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C
Oh, yeah, I would take Drake May 100.
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A
Would you take Drake May over Jordan Love for just next year?
- [39:52]
B
Yeah, probably. I think that's like right in the. We're in the right area code now.
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C
Oh, I'm not. I don't even blink at that.
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A
What about Baker Mayfield? Fully healthy.
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B
I think I take Jordan Love.
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C
Baker.
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B
Oh, I would actually. I'm pretty confident I would take Jordan Love.
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C
I think he's in that. He's in that group, though. Jordan Love and Baker. It's now this is that now we're in the debate zone.
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B
What about Jalen Hurts, the reigning quarterback?
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C
I would take Jordan Love, the guy.
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A
Who went 17 and oh, at one point in 17, Super Bowl MVP.
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C
If the team is not built around him like the Eagles is. I would. I'm taking Jordan Love if it's a replacement.
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A
Jalen Hurts is going to be the best argument ever forever. Because he's never played on a rock. Like every time his team. Is he even going back to college? He just had a death star college team or he didn't play that well. Like for his.
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C
I'm taking. I'm taking Jaden Daniels over Jordan Love too.
- [40:45]
A
I'll take fully healthy Jaden, but I would take Love over Hurts. So I guess the entry season.
- [40:49]
B
Yeah, we've got Jaden. Jaden. CJ Stroud deserves to go quite a bit higher, I think.
- [40:53]
C
No, I can't get there with Stroud.
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A
I would take Jordan Love over Stroud right now.
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B
Me too.
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A
Goff. What about Jared Goff or Jordan Love?
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B
That's close.
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C
That is close.
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A
Golf is another guy where. When it's Death Star, when it's Sean McVeigh with. With a Cooper cup and Robert woods in a perfect new avant garde offense or Detroit with the best O line and all these weapons and stuff. But I'm kind of.
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C
I. I think I would take Jordan Love because if you swap the teams they're on right now, if, if Jared Goff's on the packers, it's probably not going well. And if Jordan Love's on the Lions, they're fine.
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A
I totally agree. Yeah, I would take Jordan Love. So I think the answer is he's like 11.
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C
11, 12. Ish.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay.
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C
Brock Purdy.
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A
Tainted by last night. What the.
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B
What about Bo Nix? Do we mention him?
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A
Stop.
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B
What about Jackson? You mentioned C.J. stroud, correct?
- [41:47]
C
Yeah, yeah, we said love over Stroud. Caleb, we're taking.
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A
I would take love over Caleb. Yeah, Caleb's. Caleb's got six good weeks here.
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C
Davis Mills, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Joe Rocco.
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B
We're starting to get into the real heavy like asterisk.
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A
Dart dart. Darts probably had him. So that's 12. Yeah. The ringer Fantasy football show is brought to you by FanDuel. This Thanksgiving, FanDuel is introducing a brand new way to parlay together. It's called pass the leg. Here's how it works. Start a group, add your pick and then pass it to your friends so they can add theirs. When everyone is done, you can each lock in the parlay with your own funds on top. Everyone gets a 50% profit boost to use on their build. I would have to put in, I think Amanra St. Brown over over overs and everything versus the Packers. I don't like the packers cornerbacks. I like a Monroe St. Brown. I think teams are going to focus on Jameson Williams, stopping him and just letting Amon rack up catches and yards. So I like Amon Ra. I also as long as Rashee Rice plays, man, I don't think the Dallas cornerbacks can touch Rasheed Rice. Honestly, just, just George Pickens, Rashee Rice and Amanra St. Brown. I know that's really basic but and the honestly the number is going to be high but I would just do those three guys. I think it's going to be perfectly fine. And Missouri get ready because FanDuel's going live on December 1st. FanDuel play. Your game must be 21 plus in present in select states or 18 plus in President D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See terms@sportsbook.fanduel.com gambling problem. Call White 800 Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut this episode is brought to you by American Eagle. Gift Gift Hooray. Give great jeans this holiday season with American Eagle. They have all the wish list worthy new arrivals for everyone on your list, including you. Check out the comfy cozy sweaters, soft fleece sweatshirts, hoodies, flannels and so much more. Plus you'll love their trending jeans like the high waisted Stovepipe original straight boot cut and a whole bunch of other fits. They've got every style and everyone covered. You can check it all out@ae.com or just go to the store. This episode is brought to you by United Airlines Flying just got easier with the United Airlines app. Get real time flight updates like a live countdown clock to boarding even if your screen's locked, as well as play by play directions through the airport with a personalized map. And if you want to make a game time decision and go home early or stay longer, there are no fees to change your flight. Get the united app@united.com app no fees to change your flight excludes basic economy applies to flights originating in the US Fare difference may apply. This episode is brought to you by Velveeta Game day is all about the Tailgate spread. First things first, who's bringing the Velveeta Drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks and cheesy jarred quesos. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Okay, next one here. Craig, you had players you're not thankful for. Cortland Sutton and the Broncos.
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C
5 out of 11 Waddle models he's hitting. And I think the problem with Cortland Sutton is that the Broncos were everyone's pick this year, right? The Broncos were the team to make the leap. Everybody was excited about Bo Nix him having the first time of his career. He's had the same offensive coordinator and head coach and quarterbacks coach and all this stuff. And technically if you look at the record, they're 9:2 and that has happened. But it's not because of Cortland Sutton and it's really, really frustrating. The back half of the year he's been unplayable. He's been the wide receiver 51 for the last five weeks and honestly the biggest difference is what's happening in the red zone in the end zone. And I don't think anybody on earth could have predicted this, but Troy Franklin is the option in the red zone and in the end zone, not Cortland Sutton. And there's a random, randomly neat stat that I. I landed, I found last night. Last year, Cortland Sutton was fourth in the league in red zone targets with 15. This year, Troy Franklin is fourth in the league in red zone Targets with 14. But, like, through 11 weeks that last year and this year, Cortland Sutton was fourth last year in red zone targets after 11 weeks this. In the NFL this year, Troy Franklin has basically just slotted right in in his place and is now fourth in the NFL. And red zone targets is Troy Franklin. If you combine red zone and end zone targets through 11 weeks last year, Sutton had 24. This year, Franklin has 24. Like, they're just go. They're just. Franklin is the guy they throw to in the red zone now. And that's all it is.
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A
That was Craig's really intellectual way of saying that he drafted Cortland Sutton the ringer league, and he's going to miss the playoffs because of Cortland Sutton.
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C
He's hurting me. I have Troy Franklin, another league, so that's nice hurting me. But, yeah, he's hurting me. All my. I have Lad in the ringer league. I have lad McConkey. I have Cortland Sutton. I have Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy. It's a mess.
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B
Do you guys remember Randy Quaid in Independence Day? I've been saying it. I've been saying it for 10 damn years. Do not trust Sean fucking Payton. Do not shackle yourself to the whims of this egomaniac freaking guy that decides to make someone else, someone new the focal point of his offense every fucking week.
- [47:39]
A
Danny Kelly has.
- [47:42]
B
He just wants. He just wants to piss you off. He doesn't.
- [47:45]
A
He.
- [47:46]
B
He actually does. It's not that he doesn't care about your feelings. He actually wants to hurt your feelings. He hates you. He wants you to feel pain.
- [47:54]
C
He likes winning.
- [47:56]
A
Well, Danny Kelly has a long fuse.
- [47:58]
B
He doesn't like DK. Doesn't like I win, though.
- [48:00]
A
When DK is done with someone, his hit rate is like, 96%. We. That should just be a rule. If DK is like, nope, not for me. You just. We're out. We should move them to 150th on our ranking site unseen. Be like, don't take these people.
- [48:17]
C
Is there a more random player to just, like, become a thing than Troy Franklin?
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A
Oh, there's been some random. Because at least Troy Franklin played with Bonix in college, which is. I mean there's been some. I mean obviously the number one ever is Travis Fuldom, who was like the number one receiver in football for a month and then never played in the NFL again.
- [48:34]
C
I mean, I guess like Jackson Smith and Jay being the best receiver in the league all of a sudden is definitely a big jump. And Troy Franklin being very relevant. You know, not sure anybody had that on their bingo card.
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A
That's good though. There's been a lot of relevant. There's been a lot of randos.
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It's not. To me it's like, honestly, it's nothing against Troy Franklin. Like he might actually be really good. His numbers in college were outstanding. It's just you can't trust anybody week in and week out with this team. He's gonna. Pat Bryant's gonna have a 120 yards and a touchdown in this next game.
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A
Is more fantasy points than Jordan Addison. The last.
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C
You mean the guy Sean Payton compared to Michael Thomas the.
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B
You know, in the fantasy championship, it's going to be Evan Ingram with three touchdowns.
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A
We're getting out of the Sean. It's going to be a tattoo. We're getting out of the Sean Payton business next year. Probably the Matt LaFleur business too. Number 11.
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B
10 damn years.
- [49:30]
A
I have such strong feelings about that specific character in that movie. But I'll say. Really, I've never told you this. That's my all time. So in the rewatchables which you produce here at the Ringer, there is a category called nitpicks.
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C
Sure.
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My number one nitpick in any movie ever is in Independence Day.
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C
What is it?
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Because that character, the guy who's like the pilot who just was like he's been talking about getting abducted by aliens and everything's is crazy. And then my aliens invade the earth and they destroy everything. And then there's like a resistance meeting. And they're like, does anyone have a pilot? And he stands up and he's like, I actually got abducted by aliens. And everyone still don't believe him. Everyone fucking laughs at this fucking guy. They're at the meeting because the aliens have invaded the earth and burned all of their homes. And it's a. It's a fucking rescue shelter. They're all sleepy on cots because aliens have invaded the earth. And 100 people point and laugh at this fucking guy because he says he was abducted by aliens.
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C
We, it's. It goes to show that people don't ever want to be wrong.
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B
You know, I know it's anchoring.
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C
Yes. Human beings will do anything to it rather than admit that they were wrong about something.
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A
This is why we keep drafting Kyle Pitts every year anyway. Oh my God, 11 here. We're just gonna just include it because we can't do people we're not thankful for without doing the Jets, Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson. Which again, this was also something. We were so close because we were saying, you probably shouldn't draft the jets. And we should have just said, just don't fucking take these people ever.
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B
I think, yeah, this one's not. This one's a little hard because we all knew Justin Fields was risky. I, I thought the main risk with him was that he would get hurt. And he did get hurt, but he also just, he had games where it just felt like impossible how, how few yards he was able to create as a, as a quarterback. He had starts this year with 27 yards on 11 attempts, 45 yards on 17 attempts, 46 yards on 12 attempts, and 54 yards on 11 attempts.
- [51:29]
A
And also the last one, you just said the 54 yards includes a 40 yard screen to Breece Hall. He had 14 yards in that game.
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B
I've like, you know, my favorite expression is sometimes football seems really easy and sometimes it seems really hard. Like there's every single game that Justin Fields started where he's a quarter. But other than week one, weirdly enough, was like they can't move the football, like they can't complete a pass. And then obviously, you know, that hurts the rest of the players on the team. Breeze hall has actually been somewhat usable despite all this. But obviously Garrett Wilson, you know, he scored four out of seven on the waddle model. Not the worst. Justin Fields hit five out of nine on the waddle model, which isn't terrible unless you consider the lows were like single digits. You know what I mean? He's like you on those games where he's not, you know, he's not giving you like 11 point, he's giving you like 4 points and that really screws you in that certain week. So I think even though he had a couple of games with over 20 points, he is one of the most frustrating players in fantasy this year because then you just like plug him into your lineup the next week and he gives you three or whatever.
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C
Yeah, he was able to garbage time his way into like decent fantasy performances against bad defenses. Like he had 27 against Miami, 25 against Dallas. He had 20 against the Bengals. It's Just when he has to actually play a decent defense and try to be competitive In a game that he.
- [52:50]
B
Throws for 46 yards he had four of his four of his games out of nine he scored less than seven points and in three of those he scored less than five.
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A
I like this year for fantasy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I like feels this year for fantasy because I felt that he was cheap and the upside was there and the upside was immediately there. I the downside as a passer, even though we joked about being a Navy quarterback, I I I don't know if I thought it was possible to start four games and and, and failed at 55 yards passing.
- [53:21]
B
Our expectations were low but Holy exactly.
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A
I I okay that those are the players you're not thankful for. Although to be honest, Kyle Pitts is easily it's I hate him more than everyone else on the list combined, including Marvin Harrison Jr. I want to get to the things.
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B
On a kick with hating players these days.
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A
We're going to get to fantasy court in a moment, but first I want to hit these Thanksgiving games because we're doing this coming out on a Wednesday. The Thanksgiving games I feel like are just good now. I feel like this started a few years ago, but the Thanksgiving games this year, RIP I mean it's packers at Lions, the early game. The second game is Chiefs at Dallas and then the third game is Bengals with Burrow coming back at Baltimore, which is I don't know. I feel like these games are awesome, but I want to start packers at Lions. This is literally Jared Goff versus Jordan Love. But yeah, this to me, this is.
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B
Two mildly disappointing teams, at least from based on expectations because before the year I'm like these two are some of the favorites for the Super Bowl. Now I'm like, they're good but really flawed. I don't really know what to make of either of them. So I think both teams have a chance to kind of grab some momentum, grab some confidence coming out of this game. In dvoa, the packers are sixth, the Lions are fourth. So obviously this is a good matchup.
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A
And also week one, I mean the packers beat the lines 27:13, but that game was like 27 to 6 or whatever with 10 minutes left.
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B
Yeah. So you know, I think the packers defense has not been as impressive as I thought it was going to be with the addition of Micah Parson. So, you know, maybe they have a chance to kind of like pick things up going on. It's not like they're a bad defense, but I just thought they were going to be like world beaters, especially after watching week one. And then I think on the lion side, the, you know, Jameer Gibbs last week was incredible, but I still, I think the Dan Campbell calling plays experiment is still kind of gone back and forth. We got to get Jameson Williams back going. He had zero points on a, On a game where the, the lions had like 500 yards or whatever it was. There was a thousand yards in that game and Jameson Williams had zero. So I think again, you know, not, not just from a fantasy point of view, but I think Jameson Williams really changes the Lions offense. His ability to stretch the field, change the geometry of the Howe defense will defend them. You know, he can take a slant and take it 80 yards for a touchdown at any given point, so they got to get him more involved. And then, you know, from the packers point of view, it'll be interesting to see if Josh Jacobs comes back. I thought Emmanuel Wilson looked pretty good last week, honestly, so maybe they don't rush him back. But otherwise, you know, good divisional rivalry game here. I'm excited to watch this one.
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C
I don't want to be the guy who's like, we're going to learn a lot about these two teams in this game, but I do feel like I really. The back five, the back third of the schedule this year in the NFL is so jammed with like division matchups. There's often like, there, there's a handfuls of situations where it's like the Bengals play the Steelers, the, the, the Ravens and then the Steelers again. There's a lot of, like you play the same team twice in three weeks and so a lot of things will change. But I do feel like, I do feel like if one of these teams in this game can be the other team handedly, I will think differently about them. Like, if this is just like a, like a Muddy game and one team wins 21, 20, I'm not sure, but if one of these teams can win by two scores. Because I don't feel particularly confident with either of them right now. So I actually do think I will be curious to see like the outcome at this game and that will affect how I judge them if I can. If I think either of these teams are actually a playoff threat this year, because right now I don't think either are maybe the Lions.
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A
I like the packers as a team. If the packers beat the Lions ass, I'll be sad. And if the Lions beat the packers ass, I'll be kind of happy. I don't know why I feel that way. I can't Explain it.
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C
The Lions are really likable.
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A
Yeah, I just. I just. The packers spanked the lines in week one. I kind of want to see the line spank the packers in this game, to be honest. And just here would like.
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C
Here's who. Here is who the packers have beaten this year. Week one, they beat Detroit by a lot.
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A
That game was. That game was not competitive.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That made everyone the only non competitive game I've ever seen from the Lions in the last four seasons.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Week two, they beat Washington. Then they tied the Cowboys. They beat the Bengals without Joe Burrow. They beat the Cardinals, they beat the Steelers, they beat the Giants without Jackson Dart, and they beat J.J. mcCarthy.
- [57:35]
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They also lost to the Browns and lost to the Panthers as correcting point favorites.
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C
It's one of the more unimpressive schedules you'll find is they basically. They basically beat The Lions Week 1 and that's it.
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The packers are. It's weird because I think Matt LaFleur is unambiguously a good coach. The packers also, it's hard to draw any conclusion about them other than they just consistently seem like the hole is less than the sum of the parts. Like the amount. Like the defense is good, but it's. Considering the amount of first round picks that have been invested, it's just not great. The cornerback room is kind of a mess. The cornerback, the injuries in Green Bay and everything. But just the sec, it just. It's just very disappointing all around. Yeah.
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C
What do you guys think is the most Thanksgiving matchup? Do the Bears need to be in it? Is it Lions, packers high?
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A
Lions, Packers.
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B
That's pretty.
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C
I think it needs to be the Lions in there, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, it's either the Cowboys or the Lions because they're the teams who play in Thanksgiving every year. But I think the Lions, I feel like something about the Lions because they're bad. For so long it was. It just sticks in your mind more that the Lion. You just.
- [58:39]
B
Just picture the Lions on Thanksgiving.
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C
Yeah. Yeah. Wait, tell me. Who, what. What are the two teams in the game and what. What stadium? Who's home?
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A
Well, it's most Thanksgiving, Detroit, Dallas are always home. So I think it's in Detroit. And honestly, probably Lion, Lions, Packer, Lions, Bears, last year. That's very Thanksgiving. I think it's. It's that Vikings or Packers.
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C
I think it might be this. Packers in Detroit might be the most Thanksgiving.
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A
Very Thanksgiving. The other very Thanksgiving game, honestly, Washington, Dallas I think is very Thanksgiving. Washington in Dallas is very Thanksgiving.
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B
I know I was gonna Say Washington too is. Is another team that. It's like almost like their, their team colors remind me of.
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C
Like a turkey.
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A
Yes, exactly.
- [59:18]
C
Washington jerseys look like the food on your plate.
- [59:21]
A
You can almost say it's. It's kind, it's giving.
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C
It's all like browns and reds, yellows, autumnal, autumnal, autumnal.
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B
It's like a cornucopia. Puked on their, on their uniforms. Yeah, that's. This is what we got.
- [59:39]
A
Look like a Pottery Barn threw up all over you. Okay. The other game, the second game here is Chiefs are at Cowboys, which. This is a fun game. I mean my home's on Thanksgiving is fun.
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C
People are saying that this. People are saying Bill and Sal talked about this. Shafter tweeted. It's like now there's like a ratings record that might be broken in this. People think that this might be the most watched Thursday night football game ever or one of the most watched regular season games.
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A
Yeah, they choose the rating the way I, I have. I don't totally understand it, but I'm. The rate, the way the ratings are calculated, everything is juiced in ways because it's undercounted. But it's also over counted and everything. But yeah, they usually. The Cowboys Thanksgiving showcase is usually used to break the record every year. Like the Cowboys, they can put in week one this year and the opening night. Like the Cowboys, they kind of juice those big spots to dominate the top.
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C
Totally. Also the way the ratings are counted now, they like they've added in bars and restaurants like three years ago, which they never used to do. So now all the ratings are way up and you can sell more ads against that. But.
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A
Exactly.
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C
But it's.
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A
It's.
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C
Yes, people think, but I understand. I mean the Cowboys are, you know, the most popular team in America. Then you have Mahomes, the Chiefs and Kelsey and I'm sure Taylor Swift will be there and this probably will be like the most watched regular season game ever.
- [60:52]
B
What is the everyday fans reaction to hearing this? The ratings of a game. What's your dad like? If you told your dad what the ratings were, would he give a.
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C
This is what he would do. Dad, did you hear that the Cowboys Chiefs game was the most watched regular season NFL game ever. He'd go, really? Wow. Anyway, can you help me cut the turkey? Which is like, you know what? That's kind of all it needs to be. Icebreaker.
- [61:21]
B
Like a fucking.
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C
It's. It's something that you can look up from your phone and say and the people in your family go oh, wow.
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B
It's just. It's one of those things that people talk about a lot, but I'm like, who cares about this? Like, I don't understand, like, what we're supposed to do with this information. It's like, there's more people than ever.
- [61:37]
C
Isn't that the leader of our country? The President of the United States cares about ratings. Dk. So. So. Well, I know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I'm just saying, like, what does that. What does that do for the average person? If you told your mom, she'd be.
- [61:47]
C
Like, oh, my mom wouldn't give a shit. I loved when Trump was in the. In the. In the box, in the booth and Debo scored a touchdown. He's like, there we go. That'll get the ratings up. Closer game. Now the.
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A
This. This game also talk about things people don't care about. The Chiefs are kind of intertwined with Dallas. Mahomes grew up a Dallas fan. We're gonna hear about that all day. That Mahomes was a Cowboys fan. They're gonna pull up photos of him. The Chiefs owners are big Dallas people. They're like, dallas oil money. The kids. Chiefs were in Dallas before they were in Kansas City. And then they were right. Yes, they were the Dallas Texans. And they start. They're like, old oil money. And the son of this oil was Lamar Hunt. And he basically was like, fuck the NFL. I'm not going to buy a team. They want to sell me 20% of the. Of some team. They're like, screw that. I'm going to start a league. And he started the AFL with the Chiefs, which the Dallas Texans tried a few years compete with the Cowboys, couldn't move to Kansas City. They're like, we're going to call them the Kansas City Texans. And his business partner was like, you're a fucking idiot. That's stupid. So they named him the Kansas City Chiefs. But. And so they started the afl. And then that's why the AFC trophy, which the Chiefs always win, is called the Lamar Hunt Trophies, because he started the AFC and then merged it. And then. So the. But also just. They own that the Chiefs family owns the Dallas MLS team. Like, they own. They. They're like board of trustees at smu. I still kind of wonder if they drafted Rasheed Rice, because Rasheed Rice went to SMU and the owner of the Chiefs is on the board there. But I know it's just a lot of Dallas in this game for the Chiefs, but I think Rasheed. I think Rasheed Rice is going to play. It's Tuesday. I'm torn about this because the Dallas offense, Dallas defense has looked better, but it's against the Raiders who suck ass. And then the Dallas defense looked better once the Eagles decided to stop throwing. Which I'm like, all right, now we get to see them versus Mahomes and Rasheed Rice and everything in the Chiefs just had 33 first downs last last week, which Barnwell pointed out is the most any team has had in any game all year. So I kind of wonder if the Chiefs are going to be able to move the ball. But the flip side is I I mean, the Cowboys offense of Pickens and CD looks fucking unstoppable right now. So it's kind of like Chris Jones, will he try game? And I think yes, because it's Thanksgiving.
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B
Because it's Thanksgiving. Because the more people are going to.
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A
Be watching this game, that's who cares? It's Chris Jones cares.
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C
Craig, when he gets to, he gets to eat the turkey leg.
- [64:09]
A
If they win that turkey. Everyone says it's disgusting. Everyone says it's cold. It's been sitting there for like seven hours. Everyone says it's hard. Someone said that.
- [64:17]
C
Why is it sitting out for so long? Why don't they just keep it in the oven?
- [64:20]
A
Keep it in a fridge.
- [64:22]
B
Why?
- [64:23]
A
Because it was made like eight hours ago.
- [64:25]
B
Why?
- [64:25]
C
Why not just keep it hot in the oven?
- [64:27]
A
Because they need a shot of it. Now that you say it, it's weird that they have the shot of it on the sideline and they haven't eaten the same one. You think they could make two fucking turkeys?
- [64:34]
C
Yeah. What do we do?
- [64:35]
A
The answer is because they need footage of it three hours before the game. But now that I'm thinking about it, just have two turkeys.
- [64:40]
C
Two turkeys. This is the NFL. They can't serve you. They can't.
- [64:45]
A
We have two turkeys that are Thanksgiving because we can't agree on how to even cook it. So we just make two. I don't know why Fox can't get two turkeys.
- [64:51]
C
You have two different turkeys prepared differently.
- [64:53]
A
We smoke one outside on a Weber kettle and we cook one inside in the oven.
- [64:57]
C
Who is a fan of which my.
- [64:59]
A
Brother smokes the turkey outside and then my mom cooks a turkey in the oven. It's like the way my grandma would do it and the way my grandfather would do it.
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B
And actually I kind of like it.
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A
Sick.
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B
I. I don't hate that.
- [65:10]
C
Which do you prefer? Smoked.
- [65:12]
A
The smoked is higher degree of difficulty, but when done right. Unbelievable. I don't Think I'd ever fuck with frying a turkey just because, you know, the video. I've seen too much. I've seen too much. But the smoked turkey's unbelievable.
- [65:30]
B
Man. I got to come to your house for Thanksgiving.
- [65:32]
A
If you don't like the turkey. A man. Yeah. You have to switch up the way you're doing it.
- [65:36]
B
The.
- [65:37]
A
I also think I'm not good at many things, but I'm a fucking incredible at carving a turkey. I got it.
- [65:41]
C
Really.
- [65:42]
A
It's my only contribution in the kitchen.
- [65:44]
C
What's the secret? You have a key?
- [65:45]
A
Actually, yes. It's the thing that throws you off is you don't carve. You don't carve it. You tear it. It's like I use kitchen shears. I don't use it. I use a knife to get the. Like, I. I just kind of. If it's cooked right, you can kind of just tear and snip at the joints, and it should just come apart, but you don't actually want to cut it off. You want to just fucking pull it.
- [66:02]
B
So you're not using one of those, like, mechanical knives, Mike?
- [66:06]
A
No, my grandfather had that.
- [66:07]
B
Like a Sawza.
- [66:08]
C
Those are awesome.
- [66:09]
A
Those are sick. Those are awesome.
- [66:11]
C
Do you throw the gloves on to tear the turkey? Are you going bare hands?
- [66:14]
A
Oh, I. I just scrub up like, I'm the bear, and I go bare hands.
- [66:17]
C
Yeah.
- [66:17]
B
Okay. It's too hot.
- [66:19]
A
It is hot. Yeah.
- [66:21]
B
Scalding your hands.
- [66:22]
A
It's super painful. Yeah, it hurts, but that's the love of the game.
- [66:26]
B
Yeah, that's true. You get. You got to get your whatever, like.
- [66:29]
A
Calluses and whatnot going, but we'll do that. That's maybe why they can't have the players doing the hot turkey. I want to find out. I don't know. Richard Sherman. Someone said they got a turkey leg once, and he had a. And he had. He said. I thought he was going to crack a tooth on it, it was so cold. So keep an eye out on the. Watch the tape. When they. When they give up the legs.
- [66:46]
B
Who do you like in this game?
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C
Probably Kansas City.
- [66:49]
A
I'm going to go with Kansas City. Although we have to. We have to make a blood pact right now. If the Cowboys win against Mahomes on Thanksgiving in front of the most watched football game of all time, we might have to admit that Jerry actually is the one who cooked 100%. Jerry's been cooking.
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C
We should say a couple fantasy things. Isaiah Pacheco is going to be back in this game, and he's Going to play. So I'm assuming Kareem Hunt will take a step back. It's funny. Kareem Hunt was quietly pretty good and was kind of like settling in. I saw a crazy stat about him. He has a 55% success rate on short down and distance runs. He's, he's number one in third and fourth and one attempts out of 70, like running backs.
- [67:35]
B
How many. Yeah, he's seen. How many times have you seen the first guy tackle him?
- [67:39]
C
Like, listen to that. His success, his 55 success rate is the highest mark among all running backs with 70 carries this season. Kareem Hunt has converted 21 of 25 carries on third and fourth and one into first downs.
- [67:50]
A
I don't think Cream Hunt loses that workload for that reason because I don't care how Pacheco plays the Chiefs. So Mahomes broke his kneecap doing a quarterback steep in quarterback sneak in 2019. And then Andy Reid basically decided I'm never, literally never going to sneak him ever again. So the Chiefs are one of the three teams that don't do quarterback sneaks.
- [68:05]
C
Which is like kind of dumb.
- [68:07]
A
It's, it's funny because it's, it's how we would. It's, it's funny to think that like an 11 billion dollar company runs their team that way.
- [68:14]
C
It's like a little bit of like, like, like the food aversion where it's like I got sick on lasagna when I was sick, so I just never graded again.
- [68:20]
A
It's like. Yeah, it's like I don't do. Yeah, exactly.
- [68:23]
B
I don't eat. I don't, I don't eat cinnamon toast crunch anymore.
- [68:26]
C
Yeah, it's like in a crucial moment. I wonder if like if it was in the super bowl or the AFC championship or something, if they would sneak my home.
- [68:33]
A
I think they'd have to do this. But it's been six years and he doesn't sneak. So I mean they've been to three Super Bowls since then. And so anyway, the Chiefs have not. The Chiefs have actually been one of the worst short yardage teams on like third and one, fourth and one since they stopped sneaking. Like six years of them being terrible and then Cream Hunt this year has actually made them good. So I don't think he's going to lose that work. I'd be surprised. Watch him just Pacheco three touchdowns. But I kind of be surprised if they just swapped out Kareem Hunt on these, on these goal line packages now.
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C
Yeah. Rashid Rice, full participant in Practice on Tuesday. So he's probably going to play worthy. Are we playing worthy against Dallas?
- [69:07]
B
No, probably not.
- [69:08]
A
I mean.
- [69:11]
C
Talk about waddle model.
- [69:12]
A
No, worthy. Worthy's. No, he's actually.
- [69:14]
C
Oh my God. Wait a minute. I have his waddle model up right now.
- [69:17]
A
Zero. I bet it's zero.
- [69:19]
C
It's one.
- [69:20]
A
Yeah.
- [69:21]
C
Wow.
- [69:22]
A
And what did was the one did it get like 11 points the one time?
- [69:26]
C
14.
- [69:26]
A
14. Okay, cool. Good for him. Cool. Thanks. Thanks, Xavier. The last things last game of Thanksgiving. Big fast guy. Bengals are at the Baltimore Ravens.
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C
Yeah.
- [69:37]
A
Joe Burrow back for this game.
- [69:39]
C
Joe Burrow back for this game. It looks like that's fun. Jamar Chase back for this game after the one game suspension for spitting on Jalen Ramsey.
- [69:48]
A
This is awesome apology that I I that was written by some PR people that didn't name Jalen Ramsey.
- [69:53]
B
No, what I did was wrong. I believe he said, he said what.
- [69:57]
A
I did was wrong. I, I, we should stop pretending that these players wrote this stuff. But he said finally. I want to apologize to my fans. I don't take anyone who wears my jersey for granted. I do not take my position as a role model lightly.
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C
This is a fascinating game because so Ringer 107 this week, Bill, the all powerful Bill Simmons is allowing us to bet on the Thanksgiving games if we want to use that to include that. So we're going to do Ringer 107 in the next episode, which is the preview episode, which will come out on Friday, but we're going to make the picks on Tuesday, today. And so if we want to include one of these Thanksgiving games, we can do that. We can discuss that right now. But this game, the Ravens are seven point favorites in this game, the Ravens, we went through this a little bit last week, have been terrible since Lamar came back for the injury. Despite winning every game since he's come back for the first time in his career, Lamar has zero touchdowns at back to back games. It's the first time he's been held under a 60% completion rate and 200 yards passing in three straight games. He's clearly not healthy. It's bizarre. In four weeks he said four different injuries. He come back from the hamstring. The next week he has a knee injury and misses practice. The next week he has an ankle injury and misses practice. And this week he had a toe injury in missed practice. It's I don't know what the Ravens are doing if they're just coming up with new ones or if they're like there's like weird shit going on now because of that issue where he. They didn't consider him a full time participant. But I don't know. DK as Joe Burrow famously gets started slowly, right. He didn't start the season hot at all. He's coming back. He hasn't played in 10 weeks. And yet the Ravens are also haven't looked worse. Do you feel like the Bengals getting seven points here is like sneaky great or do you not want to touch Joe Burrow and there's no T. Higgins in this game.
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B
We should say my gut tells me right now. And you guys know what, what good that is. I'm kind of the cooler when it comes to these bets. I would, I would bet on the Ravens here. I, I'm worried about the. The Bengals starting hot. I think their defense stinks. The Bengals have also been horrific against tight ends and that's kind of what the Ravens do. So that's kind of where I'm leaning. It's like, are we going to see a third straight game when Lamar sucks?
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A
I.
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B
What are the odds of that?
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A
Really high because we already saw two in a row.
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B
So it's the first time in his career he's had two games in a row without a touchdown. And you think he's going to go three?
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C
He's hurt.
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A
I look, I'm not going to argue that the Bengals defense, you guys, you.
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B
Guys should probably just go opposite. What I think I kind of know.
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A
I. You know why? It's because Burrow's back. I've personally used up my lifetime allotment of doubting Joe Burrow. I think that unfortunately. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah, you're just.
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A
I kind of spent it all. I just. Every year, every. Look, the Ravens. The Bengals defense is so bad. I think that that's what this line is about with the Ravens being favored by seven. But overall, every time, any conversation about the Ravens for the last literally two months, I just feel like the conversation I like. I, I feel like there's like a game I missed because it's like the Ravens were one in five and like, well, they're still at eighth in super bowl odds and like, like I just keep waiting for them to play literally one game well from start to finish and they have gone further and further from that the further into the season. They look good in week one and then they blew it at the end and they look good against the Lions for half and then they look terrible and it's like they keep getting further and you're right. On paper, we should take the Ravens against the Bengals. Because the. In reality, I'm like, they were the Jets. Ravens game was 3 to 0 at halftime against the fucking Jets. And to Rod Taylor and John Mechi and Ty, like, like, these are people that I don't know if they would be in the NFL in other circumstances are playing in the jets and that it was three to nothing. Jets at halftime. How much do we need to see until we just admit that the Ravens aren't that good?
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B
At the end of the game, they.
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C
Said Kyle Hamilton could play. There's no Trey. Trey Hendrickson's probably not going to play for Cincinnati. This is a game that Derrick Henry should have 200 yards rushing, and they should dominate this game and win, like, 28 to 10. But I have to say, my initial instinct when I first saw this line was like, I think I'm just gonna take the Bengals plus seven.
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A
I. I get it. I don't want to do that, but I get it.
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C
Yeah, maybe we just stay away, but that was my initial read. Did you guys see Joe Burrow's Instagram announcing that he was coming back?
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B
The LeBron thing, what did he do?
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C
No, it's like a shot of him. It's like him taking a photo through his, like, mirror in his bedroom, and it's him standing in a LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers jersey, and it just says he's back. Berto is underratedly weird on the Internet.
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A
He was fun, enjoyable way joker for Halloween. He, like, did the thing with the hair and he did the video of the ha.
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B
Like, the taking pictures of his crystals.
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C
Like, if he wasn't, I wonder how we'd feel about Joe Burrow. Like, he's. He's so cool and confident and. And is attractive, and yet he is kind of really nerdy.
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A
Everyone who has seen the summer turn pretty knows that Joe Burrow is just Conrad.
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C
Yeah, I don't know.
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A
In a lot of ways you don't get it, but it's. I'm 100% right.
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B
How many people do you think that are listening right now? Get that?
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A
Probably at least 6.
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B
What percentage?
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C
It's a popular show.
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A
It's a very popular show.
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C
I don't know. Amongst. I don't know, the Venn diagram. Pretty great summer. I turn pretty in NFL fans. Probably not strong.
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B
That's what I'm saying.
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A
So, okay, so those are the Thanksgiving games. Do you want to do the Black Friday game now or want to do it on the. In the preview?
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C
We should probably do it now.
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A
We can. All right, so The Black Friday games. Bears are at the Eagles. The Eagles are another good game. This is a good game. I mean, last year was the. Or not two years ago was the Jets. Dolph, that was horrific.
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C
But you know what? Part of me is like, I kind of wish it was a shitty game because then I could actually spend time with my family.
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A
But that.
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C
No. Sorry, Mom. Eagles, Bears at noon.
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A
This game is at 3 o' clock noon Eastern.
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C
Just dead. Middle of the day. You want to go on a walk? We're not.
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A
Well, I. Well, that. You know what's so funny is I. I wrote a whole article about this for the Ringer a few years ago, but about how this game's on Amazon, it's Black Friday and you see it now on Thursday football. You could buy stuff directly. And I think that's one of the reasons the middle of the day is Amazon to want you to go fucking shopping. But the spread in this game is seven points. I think that's funny that the Eagles are favored win by seven, because the Eagles have only beaten one team by seven, more than seven all year. And it was the Giants.
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C
Yeah. And we'll also go through every single Bears game, every single game there, and they win by like 2.
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A
And so this game is to me, like the most football cliche of all football cliches of the turnovers, where it's like the Bears defense has the most turnovers in the NFL and the Eagles offense has the fewest turnovers in the NFL and the Bears have the most interceptions all year. The Bears have 16 picks on defense and the Eagles have the fewest interceptions all year because Jalen Hurts has thrown one interception. And in that game, the Giant, they lost to the Giants. And this is, to me, just. This is going to be the classic Eagles turtle. They're not going to be like, oh, well, we got the ball to A.J. brown and took the lead. They're like, no, they're going to turtle up. They're going to be like, we lost that game because Saquon fumbled and all this stuff. And they're going to turtle. They're going to Python. The Eagles are going to once again take a 21 point lead and then. Which they've been doing all season. And then they let the team kind of take it back and then they win at the end. And that's the Bears too. The Bears fall behind and then can't win in the first, can't win in the second like that. I know Schottenheimer said that, but that's really the Bears. And then the Bears are going to like this is like a classic. Eagles are going to take a lead, but they're going to win because they're not going to turn the ball over.
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C
Which is perfect for Ben Johnson because that's right where he wants them. He wants to be down 21 to 3 in the third. That's right where he wants him. But can you think of a larger offensive coordinator play calling discrepancy in this game than Ben Johnson versus Kevin Petula? A more beloved versus more hated play caller in the league right now?
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A
It's pretty good. No, that's. That's the entire spectrum probably right now. Also in pregame speeches. Bear. I also want to know. Bears are eight and three and have a negative three point differential. They've been outscored by three points this season. They're eight and three.
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B
That's wild.
- [77:52]
A
They've won six of their eight games by five or fewer points and I wanted it. This is, as we said, the beginning of the Bears schedule getting real where it's like Eagles, Packers, Browns, Packers, Niners, Lions. And the lions in Week 18 beat the Bears by five touchdowns earlier this season. So it's like the Bears are winning the NFC North. They're 3 to 1 to win the division by the end of the year. The leader of the division is three to one. And so I don't know, I kind of come down. I just think this is a Saquon get right game. I know we were talking about Saquon earlier in the episode, but the Bears allow five yards per carry and they're still down their top three linebackers. And I kind of think the Bears are to your point about yards before contact. The Bears defense is second to last in yards before contact. They allow like three and a half yards before contact. And the Eagles even without Lane Johnson. I actually am a little optimistic that Saquon gets going in this game. I also a little dubious about whether the Bears who actually on offense the Bears ranked first in yards before contact and I kind of don't think that's going to happen with the Eagles defensive tackles. But this is a big game for like the Bears interior offensive line. We talk so much about they got your dominant center and they got Joe Tunis left guard and they got Jonah Jackson at right guard and like they earn their money this week against the.
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C
Eagles defensive tackles, seven points is really high and I, it's probably going to make me stay away. But I do think that this is a classic game. The Eagles win and it's like they're coming off the loss. People are going to be down on them. People are up on the Bears because they win all these close games. I do my, my. I do lean towards Philly, but seven points is a lot.
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A
Yeah. For the way the Eels play. The Eagles don't believe in beating teams by more than seven points. You know, what are we doing about.
- [79:17]
C
DeAndre Swift these days? He's a guy who's like, almost made the burn book. He's almost made the Glansburg derogatory list. Are we playing him anymore? How do you feel about DeAndre Swift? Manon guy's like, no. Really starting to take over.
- [79:30]
B
I was gonna say this. Are there any players other than Caleb? I guess if you're playing in a, you know, at quarterback, are there any players you actually want to play in this game? Like Roma Dunesay has been completely unreliable.
- [79:41]
A
I think it's been fine. There's just like, they haven't been able to connect. But it's tough because it's the Eagles. Eagles. But I don't think it did.
- [79:46]
B
But from a fantasy point of view, are you excited about this?
- [79:49]
A
I'm not excited to play the Eagles, but I'm not worried about it.
- [79:52]
C
I mean, I'm a little worried about it, dude. Today.
- [79:54]
A
Well, I'm worried because the Eagles and the Browns in the schedule, but I don't think he's. I don't think he's playing poorly, I think.
- [80:01]
B
But. Yeah, I mean, but to Craig's point, the. The running back rotation is all kind of wonky right now. Manangai has kind of passed Swift. Or at least they're like 50, 50. And then they kind of ride the hot hand. I just think it's completely. All these players on the Bears are completely unreliable. In fantasy.
- [80:18]
C
Yeah, it's almost. It's like a full rotation. The only guy you're probably, I guess, starting is Ramadunze that you feel good about. And even he's.
- [80:26]
B
Even then I'm like, do we want.
- [80:28]
C
To bet any of these games in Ringer107? Do we like any of these?
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A
Not enough. Just fundamentally laying points with the Eagles. Laying points with the Chiefs jargon. Just betting on them to win by a field goal or more. No, for right now. We can decide on the next episode. We don't have to worry about it right now. We can decide on the next episode.
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B
Yeah.
- [80:52]
C
Okay.
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A
Fantasy court.
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C
Let's do it.
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A
Fantasy court's in session, baby.
- [80:58]
B
Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.
- [81:01]
A
I don't really want to be handcuffed.
- [81:03]
C
The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.
- [81:14]
B
I love seeing the video of that.
- [81:15]
A
I love the Craig Worldic, Esquire. So fantasy court, this fantasy court case. The plaintiff here is Franco, Franco, F.
- [81:24]
C
Bone James, Dave, first name James.
- [81:29]
A
Franco's been to other courts, I think. Hey. Oh. Franco writes, I'm in a work league. And he puts work in quotes. And he says, I put work in quotes because I have not worked at this company for two years.
- [81:43]
B
Okay, okay.
- [81:44]
A
But I've won the last two seasons. So they are my coworker, former coworkers are keeping me in the league until I lose. I'm the only person in the league that does not work at the company and I can't prove it, but I think the office is colluding to get me out of the league.
- [82:04]
C
Who is this guy who.
- [82:08]
A
Franco says, last year, while in first place, the team in second place traded away three players they got off waivers for Jamar Chase, Kyren Williams and Jaden Daniels from the last place team. And it sounds like Franco basically kind of complained about it from afar over his personal email and until he in a text until he got it vetaed. And he says this season it happened again. He's in first place again this year. And the same guy tried to trade Juwan Jennings and Rashad White from Derek Henry. This also got vetoed. But then he says a few days ago, someone who had two kickers decided at a running back and instead of dropping one of their two kickers, they dropped Jalen Hurts. So Franco says, I didn't think this was collusion or malice. I just like this is clearly a mistake. Like the guy tried to bench Hertz and fat thumbed it and dropped it, which happens. So in the group chat, Franco basically writes, hey, did you mean to cut Jalen Hurts? You have two kickers. Why don't we undo this? Because apparently this happened in league earlier this year. Franco writes, I was called a liar and a snake in the group chat from a few members in the league, including the aforementioned cheater, saying, I'm only complaining about Hertz being dropped because I have no free agent auction budget to spend and I can't bid on Jalen Hurts. Franco's like, I have Drake, man. I don't even need Jalen Hurts. I just assumed this was a mistake. The commissioner said he would put Jalen Hurts back where he was on the team. And then the guy who dropped Jalen Hurts, who's just had the commissioner Agree to give him back to the guy. And the guy who had Hertz and cut him snaps and says, hey, Franco, get off of my shit. You're in first, and don't worry about me. Which I also read in Danny McBride's voice, Franco, get off my shit.
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B
Oh, 100%.
- [83:53]
A
So Franco says, I'm getting accused of saying that I want Jalen Hurts dropped. I want Jalen Hurts undropped because I want to protect my spot in the league, and I'm afraid I'll lose and be kicked out. And he's like, I actually think that they're trying and really poorly colluding so that I lose.
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C
I think it's a hilarious scenario. That he's in a work league at a company that he no longer works at and he can't stop winning and everybody wants him out. Is a fucking hilarious setup.
- [84:21]
A
It's incredible. He says, also, you know, a lot of people are like, you know, we'll take your result as binding. I like this one, too, because he says, so this league, they won't listen to your ruling because they're all business district boomers. But am I being. I just like the note that, like, whatever you decide, they're not going to listen to it.
- [84:42]
C
Is there money in this league? This is money league.
- [84:45]
A
I don't know.
- [84:49]
C
So the guy who drops hurts. Did he admit that it was an accident or not?
- [84:53]
A
He said it was at first, and then he was like, get off my. Sorry. Get off my Franco.
- [84:59]
C
Because he's embarrassed. He's like, you don't tell me how to run my team. All right?
- [85:03]
A
This guy kept Kaimi Fairbairn on hip injury instead of Jalen Hurts. I mean, what's so fun. I actually believe him, though. I. I think he's right that they're like, fuck this guy. Imagine a guy leaving your company in the middle of the foot football season, and then he's in your league and he wins the league. You're like, fuck. And then everyone wants to kick him out. You're like, oh, well, he won the league. And then he wins again. And that was like, he's got to work there in two years. And people are like, I totally think that these people were probably like, now, fuck this guy.
- [85:31]
B
I think he's deciding, though.
- [85:34]
A
I think he really was. Wants to know if he's not crazy or not. If he thinks.
- [85:37]
C
No, I think his instincts are correct. I think there's some. Something is afoot.
- [85:42]
A
It's weird to drop. Jalen Hurts. And then the commissioner is like, okay, you can have him back. That was an accident. And he's like, get off my.
- [85:50]
C
I think this guy needs to try to stay in this league as long as humanly possible.
- [85:54]
B
That's the new.
- [85:54]
A
Should we help him run the team? I guess. He doesn't need any help. He's 13 years in a row.
- [85:58]
C
Yeah. He's doing just fine.
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A
But you. The co workers are conspiring, right? Like, they're dk. Do you feel that way?
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B
I think so.
- [86:08]
C
I think so, too.
- [86:08]
A
Three waiver ads for Jamar Chase, Kyron Williams, and Jaden Daniels last year.
- [86:12]
C
Also, these weird trades that the comm also shouts out this commissioner who feels like he's. He's delivering justice appropriately, but, like, all these trades being vetoes that are super lopsided. Like, what's that about?
- [86:22]
A
What's going. Yeah, what is. There's a lot going on here.
- [86:24]
B
What was it?
- [86:25]
C
Derrick Henry for who?
- [86:26]
A
It was, like, Derek Henry for Rashad White and.
- [86:33]
C
Somebody else who wasn't very good.
- [86:35]
A
Juwan Jennings.
- [86:36]
C
Yeah. Like, what are we doing? This is fishy.
- [86:40]
A
That I wouldn't veto in the. You know, Chase, Kyron, and Jaden for three waiver guys is pretty.
- [86:47]
C
Yeah.
- [86:48]
A
I think there's something going on in this league.
- [86:51]
C
No. Never leave. Never give up, Franco. Stay in this league as long as you can.
- [86:54]
A
If you need help, Franco, we're gonna help you. We're gonna make sure. Sure you would. Again, email us back, Franco. I just love the idea of being in a league for years because you can't stop winning. They won't get rid of.
- [87:01]
C
Also, I love that his name's Franco. I bet you they're like, franco, Franco, Franco.
- [87:06]
A
We got one email here. I have to read this one. This is from Joe, Joey J.
- [87:14]
B
Bone.
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A
Subject line. Heifetz is my wife's hall pass.
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C
Oh, sweet Christmas.
- [87:23]
A
Joe writes, sorry for the fake subject line. That's a complete lie.
- [87:27]
B
Oh, brilliant.
- [87:29]
A
Just wanted to see if you guys would open this email, because I still haven't gotten one on the show.
- [87:34]
C
If it's printed out that the.
- [87:36]
A
The Gmail page forwarded to Jackie, hoping she would just. Would not open the email. She. So Joe writes, I'm the guy who gave you the Clois Box box at the Chicago Live Show.
- [87:46]
B
Yeah.
- [87:47]
A
This guy's behind Craig. This guy gave us a box with just pictures of Cloy's box on it. Yeah.
- [87:52]
B
And choice box.
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A
The close box. So Joyce writes, sorry. Joe writes, I only add that again. Get my odds of the show getting this red go up my breakfast. Two poached eggs, hash browns, a piece of jalapeno cheddar, sourdough bread with black coffee.
- [88:05]
B
Wow, that sounds really good.
- [88:06]
C
Sounds like a really good breakfast. Poached eggs is. Takes a little bit extra worked.
- [88:10]
A
Eggs is.
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C
I respect.
- [88:11]
B
Eggs are good.
- [88:12]
A
Poached eggs is perfect. I love poached. I love a jammy egg. Joe writes, I'm emailing in because Craig brought up Hulk Hogan claiming that Andre the giant weighed over 600 pounds.
- [88:22]
C
Yeah, look, I'm defending Hulk Hogan in any way.
- [88:25]
A
Well, I kind of was saying I think Hulk Hogan's lying. And I think this listed way to.
- [88:28]
C
Say, yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
- [88:30]
A
So Joe writes, I'm a huge wrestling fan and all of us in the wrestling fan community know that Hulk Hogan is a notorious and awful liar. And then he linked to a Reddit thread of a bunch of things Hulk Hogan has claimed. And this brought me so much joy because there are so many crazy things that Hulk Hogan has said and I disturb distilled them down to just a few. But I wanted to just go through a few things Hulk Hogan and I went through. And I actually went and found the original. Like, these are real things. I've double checked this, starting with Hulk Hogan claimed that when Metallica's bassist Cliff Burton died, Hulk Hogan was considered as a replacement to be Metallica's basement basis. But it didn't work out.
- [89:10]
B
These are like dad lies.
- [89:12]
C
These are. This is like the, the like the 80s version of LeBron now where it's like, oh, I read that book. Oh yeah, no, I'm a huge soccer fan.
- [89:19]
A
Yeah.
- [89:20]
C
Oh yeah. What was your favorite chapter of the book? I liked all of them.
- [89:23]
A
I liked all of them. They're all good chapters.
- [89:25]
B
How can you really decide?
- [89:26]
A
You know, Howard Stern asked one of the Metallica guys about this later and they were like, who? Hulk Hogan also said that the director Darren Aronofsky offered Hulk Hogan the lead role for the movie the Wrestler multiple times and that Hulk Hogan said he turned it down because he didn't deserve it. And then Darren Aronofsky's answer was also basically, who? Not really. He just said he never offered in the part. Hulk Hogan also said he was offered the George Foreman grills and missed the call. And the next day they called George Foreman.
- [89:59]
C
I kind of believe that one.
- [90:00]
A
I kind of believe that one too.
- [90:01]
C
Yeah.
- [90:01]
A
But my favorite one of all these and the reason I wanted, I just thought this was very Craig specific. Craig, what's your favorite video ever on the Internet? If you could have one Internet video. What would you pick?
- [90:14]
C
The. I don't know if I. I don't know if I want this one forever. The first one that came to mind is the country boy.
- [90:21]
A
I love you.
- [90:22]
C
I don't know why there's a billion.
- [90:23]
A
I thought you were gonna say the guy who's like, I got three days in, one day you wake.
- [90:27]
C
Oh, I fucking. 6am to noon, boom. That's day one. 12 to 6, that's day two. 6pm to midnight, that's day three. Over the course of a week, I'm gonna kick your butt. Over the course of a month, you're toast. Over the course of a year, I'm going to run the world.
- [90:42]
A
So I wanted to read this one to you because I just, I thought of you when I wrote this crack. And I was like, I have to read this on the show.
- [90:46]
C
I love that guy so much. What's he doing now?
- [90:49]
A
I don't know what that guy's. He's running the world.
- [90:50]
C
He's like 170 years old.
- [90:52]
A
Somebody so old, dead for decades. So I thought of you, Craig, because Hulk Hogan wrote in his autobiography that he wrestled 400 days a year. Okay, I want to note Hulk Hogan did not write that he wrestles 400 times a year. Hulk Hogan wrote that he, he wrestled 400 days a year.
- [91:16]
B
He wrestles eight days a week.
- [91:18]
C
I mean, yeah, look, he lives on an alternate timeline.
- [91:21]
A
Well, he said he did. Hulk Hogan said because he flew back and forth to Japan so much, he's saving time. He would gain 14 hours each time and land yesterday. So he had way more than 365 days a year.
- [91:35]
C
Kind of genius, these guys, Their schedules were absolutely insane though. These guys got like no days off. If you watch that McMahon talk. They wrestled literally every single day.
- [91:46]
A
Oh my God.
- [91:49]
C
400 days a year is actually a hilarious quote.
- [91:53]
A
400 days a year.
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B
That reminds me, Craig. There was this guy, famously so I don't remember what airline it was like Delta or whatever that offered like a lifetime first class ticket for like whatever. If you buy it's like 250k. This was like in the 80s and if you buy it, it's like 250k. And then you get unlimited first class tickets for the, for the rest of your life. And this guy did it and like abused it so horribly, it was like he was actually going to like put the company out of business. He like would fly every day. He would like throw. Fly somewhere to go get lunch. He would like bring random people on the plane with him just to like get them free tickets.
- [92:32]
C
He like divorced his wife and abandoned his children just so he can fly around as much as possible.
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A
When he started running, yeah, he was.
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B
Like flying every day.
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C
He's just always flying between LA and Tokyo so that he. He's just constantly saving time. He just lives at one time that doesn't move.
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B
After a month, you're toast.
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C
I feel like that's a. That's like a subplot of Tenet is like, well, if you actually fly backwards through the time zones, you can live in between space and time.
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A
I had to explain Tenant to someone the other day who had never heard of it and they were like, that sounds dumb. And I was like, yeah, it was dumb.
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C
You know, I never saw Tenet.
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B
I didn't either.
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A
You didn't miss anything.
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C
Christopher Nolan film coming out like on streaming. I feel like in the pandemic I was like, ah, it's not going to hit the the same.
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A
Okay. A bunch of people just got home and they're all happy and like greeting each other, so we should probably get out of here.
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B
Thanksgiving.
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C
All this joy, Too much happiness in the world. That's why.
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B
That's why go ruin it for everyone.
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A
Yeah, it's true. It's. It's like things we're not thankful for nothing.
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C
Go, go. Power rank all the people in that room and tell them who you're least thankful for.
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A
I actually, I'm gonna do that right now. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Tucker.
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C
Tuck, Tuck, Tuck.
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B
Everlasting.
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A
Think I don't get that. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Hulk Hogan. Thank you, Austin.
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B
No thanks.
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A
Yeah, I got the letters wrong. Thank you, Lord.
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B
Lord. Thank you, the Naked and the famous.
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C
Don't. Don't think I know them.
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B
You would recognize. They have one famous song that you would recognize for sure.
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A
I'm a little worried right now to Google Naked Young Blood. I'm a little Spotify.
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B
When they go to Spotify Naked in a famous band.
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C
Young. What's there? Oh, Punching in a dream. Is that their big song?
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B
Youngblood.
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C
Young Blood's their famous song.
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B
Well, that's one I know.
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A
Lady Gun. Oh, no, it's just a random website. Never mind.
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C
Go to Spotify High Fitz.
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B
The. The Naked and famous, also known as Mr. Skin.
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C
Nice. You want to know what my biggest nitpick is in movie history? Is that in the movie Knocked up, Seth Rogen and all of his loser friends are creating a website called I don't even remember what it's called. It's basically a Mr. Skin. It might be called Naked and Famous. And yet we are supposed to believe that in this world where all these dudes do is look up online photos and watch movies to find naked women that they've never heard of Mr. Skin because the movie ends with him going, oh, it turns out Mr. Skin exists. So like, our idea is shit. They were working on that for years and they never heard of Mr. Skin. Yeah, but they're all life.
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B
They're all stoner idiots.
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C
Those are the people who subscribe and pay and watch Mr. Skin. It's ridiculous. How would they not know what that is?
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B
No, you're right. You're right.
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C
Wait, I need to know what the name of their. Their company is. So funny. Knocked up Mr. Skin company name. Oh, what is it called?
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A
I'm kind of learning what Mr. Skin is right now. Oh, got it. I figured it out.
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B
You just. You now know what Mr.
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C
Skin is?
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A
I. I had never heard of that.
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C
You had never heard of Mr. Skin?
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A
I don't think so.
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C
What?
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A
Well, I mean, I'm now familiar.
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B
Why is it so hard to find this.
- [96:09]
C
I know. What is the name of the Mr. Skin ripoff and knocked up Flesh of the Stars? I just. There's no way in hell these guys don't know what Mr. Skin is. But it's all right.
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A
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