Preseason Week 2 Risers and Fallers

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Preseason Week 2 Risers and Fallers

Date: August 19, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed episode dives into all the key developments from NFL Preseason Week 2, helping listeners sort out the biggest risers and fallers for the 2025 fantasy football season. The Ringer crew debates which teams and players are trending up or down, tackles major injury updates, analyzes coach and scheme changes, and delivers expert fantasy advice on sleepers, league-winners, and potential landmines to avoid. Plus: The return of the now-legendary “Jelly the Bear” conspiracy, and the sharpest Taylor Swift halftime show theory you’ll hear all year.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Location & Vibes

• The crew records in-person in New York City at Spotify headquarters, with plenty of Big Apple jokes and “first timer in NYC” banter from DK.
• “Bacon, egg, and cheese today. Hold the bacon.” – Danny Kelly [00:58]

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2. Episode Structure Preview [01:17]

• Preseason Week 2 recap: Standout player performances, notable injuries, and deep cut RB sleepers.
• Low stakes conspiracy: Taylor Swift’s (possible) Super Bowl halftime show.
• All-important update: The Jelly the Bear saga.

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3. Caleb Williams & The Chicago Bears

• Caleb Williams’ Preseason Debut: Looked sharp vs. the Bills—6/10, 107 yards, 1 TD, including a 93-yard TD drive and a 35-yard strike to Olamide Zaccheaus.
• Praise for his improved “on-time” play and in-rhythm execution.
• Recurring optimism (with caution) for Ben Johnson’s influence on the Bears and Williams’ ability to play “orchestral, not jazz” QB under a real system.
• Quote:
  “He looked like Jared Goff...just sitting in the pocket ripping passes.” – Danny Kelly [06:13]
• All hosts agree: Williams is a preseason “riser,” but Year 1 expectations should be managed amidst Chicago’s bigger struggles.

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4. Seahawks’ Revamped Run Game

• Major improvement in run scheme and offensive line play.
• Noted riser: Zach Charbonnet, capitalizing on Kenneth Walker’s ongoing injury struggles (foot/oblique). Charbonnet is a priority late-round sleeper.
• Quote:
  “Charbonnet to me is a league-winning player...Seattle’s running game could go from bottom four to top four.” – Danny Heifetz [13:12]
• Kenneth Walker labeled “injury-prone.” Hosts argue that Charbonnet should be drafted several rounds higher than current ADP.

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5. Titans’ Cam Ward: “Aura Guy” Alert

• Ward flashes leadership & big-play ability, despite ho-hum statline.
• Discussion: Ward’s “aura” versus Caleb Williams’ “aura farming.” Hosts rave about his intangibles, leadership, and X-factor.

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6. Giants’ QB Situation: Dart vs. Wilson

• Gushing about Jackson Dart’s preseason performance and “Gen Z vibes.”
• DK: “Jackson Dart fucking has aura. That’s it.”
• Dart seen as a possible future starter, with the Giants’ loaded D-line and young talent.
• Reminder to manage expectations: “Remember Kenny Pickett?”—Preseason hype can over-deliver.

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7. Other Rookie & Preseason Notes

• Ashn Genti (Raiders): Slow start, but reassures with strong second game.
  • Fantasy takeaway: Likely to get big touch share, but O-line quality is a concern.
  • “His potential is absolutely still through the roof.” – Claire Horlbeck [32:24]
• Tyler Warren (Colts TE): Breakout candidate; “as good a chance as anybody to be TE4 this year.”
  • On-field for 34/35 preseason snaps with starters [27:12]
  • “Make him your number two tight end, if you want, but you should probably just have Tyler Warren.” – Danny Hy [27:20]

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8. Major Injury Updates & Fantasy Adjustments

Rams: Matt Stafford’s Back

• Stafford has been MIA; now “proof of life,” but troubling McVay soundbites.
• “Drafting Puka Nacua is a two-legged parlay—Stafford’s health, and Puka staying upright.” – Danny Kelly [50:04]
• Devante Adams’ value is also shaky given backup situation (Garoppolo).

Packers WR Corps is Banged Up

• All main weapons besides Matthew Golden have injury issues.
• Recommendation: “Golden is an absolute smash value,” praised as a breakout candidate [58:11].

Bills WRs: Shakir’s High Ankle = Trouble

• No clear No. 1 pass-catcher behind Allen.
• Hosts advise passing on older/injured WRs in favor of rookies with clear upside (Golden, Pearsall, etc.) [84:05].

Other Notables:

• Brandon Aiyuk (Niners): Starting on PUP; Ricky Pearsall is “the steal” of current drafts.
• Miami RBs: Devon Achane soft-tissue injury. Jalen Wright & Ollie Gordon as backups but lack clarity; hands-off for now unless hard news emerges.
• Godwin (Bucs): Dislocated ankle; hosts strongly prefer rookie Egbuka, forecast as a “market-correcting” value [66:10].
• Najee Harris (Chargers): Lingering eye issue is possibly career-threatening (per speculative, third-hand doctor info).

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9. Rookie WRs/Tight Ends: Must-Have Breakouts

• Ricky Pearsall and Matthew Golden highlighted as undervalued, high-upside WRs.
• Tyler Warren at TE named as a premier sleeper, with the “high range of outcomes” (top-4 ceiling).
• Egbuka (Bucs) listed alongside Golden and Pearsall in the “get these on your bench” tier.

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10. Trade & Draft Strategy Bits

• Nick Chubb (Texans), J.K. Dobbins (Broncos): Both are injury risks but can be valuable for early-season trade bait.
• Platform ADP tip: Track Yahoo vs. ESPN vs. Sleeper; exploit discrepancies to get “your guys” cheaper.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “[Caleb Williams] looked crisp and in rhythm... Rarely saw that last year. I was really, really encouraged.” – Claire Korbeck [05:25]
• “Charbonnet is a league-winning player... Seattle’s running game could go from bottom four to top four.” – Danny Hy [13:12]
• “You ever heard of astronaut time for relationships?” – Danny Hy [04:47]
• “The entire time McVay talks about Stafford, I feel worse.” – Danny Hy [51:05]
• “Tyler Warren is my, like, A-list sleeper—he could be this year’s Sam LaPorta.” – Danny Hy [27:12]

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Funniest Exchanges

• The hosts propose “Rushing Roulette” (Russian roulette pun) as a perfect description for volatile fantasy QBs like Anthony Richardson [34:46].
• DK gets schooled on how NFL heights are denoted in the scouting community (5'7" 7/8") leading to a tangent [82:12].
• Queen moment: “I have a bear guy.” – Danny Hy [90:46] (on the Jelly the Bear saga).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bears/Caleb Williams Discussion: 03:41 – 08:58
• Seahawks Running Backs Update: 11:30 – 14:25
• Cam Ward & Titans QB Talk: 15:37 – 17:02
• Giants QB Room & Jackson Dart: 17:02 – 21:44
• Rookie Standouts & Deep Sleepers: 21:44 – 27:32
• Colts Tight End Tyler Warren: 27:32 – 30:49
• Rams Injury Crisis & Puka/Adams Value: 49:06 – 56:38
• Packers Injured Receivers Discussion: 57:23 – 58:42
• Bills Pass Catcher Dilemma: 58:49 – 60:24
• Niners WR Corps/Pearsall Hype: 62:14 – 66:16
• Miami Backfield Uncertainty: 68:46 – 70:36
• Rookie WR/Tight End Rankings Philosophy: 67:28 – 68:34
• Jelly the Bear Update: 87:51 – 95:55
• Taylor Swift Halftime Show Conspiracy: 96:29 – 107:23

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Miscellaneous Segments

The Jelly the Bear Conspiracy [87:51+]

• Ongoing public doubt over whether Turtleback Zoo even has a living bear (“Jelly”).
• Zoo responds with live video; fans remain skeptical (“That’s a crisis actor bear”). Hilarious and surprisingly contagious section.

Taylor Swift: Super Bowl Sourdough Theory [96:38+]

• Wild but persuasive theory that Taylor Swift's “sourdough” reference during the Kelsey brothers podcast was an allusion to her playing halftime at Super Bowl 60 in San Francisco (home of Sourdough Sam, the mascot).
• All bets are on: Taylor Swift will be the Super Bowl LVII halftime performer.

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Tone and Style

• Smart, fast, and irreverent; equal parts shrewd analysis and relentless digression.
• Playful, self-aware, and heavy on in-jokes—with transparent excitement and skepticism applied in equal measure to fantasy and real NFL storylines.

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Top Takeaways: Fantasy Football Moves

• Draft the rookie WR/TE breakouts: Pearsall, Golden, and Warren are all undervalued and likely to rise.
• Fade older/injured ‘boring’ veterans: e.g. Chris Godwin, godspeed.
• Zach Charbonnet: Bump up, Walker likely to miss time.
• Monitor injury situations (Matt Stafford, Najee Harris, Joe Mixon, etc.)—be nimble on rising backups.
• Jalen Waddle: Buy the dip with Tyreek/Achane banged up.
• Leverage ADP differences by platform for value hunting.

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For Next Week

• The Ringer Fantasy Football live draft and official final punishment vote are coming.
• Stay tuned on Instagram/TikTok for shenanigans and content direct from the team’s travels and recording sessions.

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Closing Quote

• “The dirty little secret of this podcast is that Heifetz is actually really good at fantasy.”—Claire Korbeck [79:28]

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For further questions, details, or low-stakes conspiracies ("Jelly the Bear truthers" unite), email: [e-mail]

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Transcript

[Danny Hy]

Well, your computer, not mine.

[Danny Kay]

Jesus Christ.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, are we recording, Ronick? That has to be the beginning of the little clip. We got to put that on Instagram.

[Danny Kay]

I'm wet.

[Danny Hy]

Welcome to the River Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hy. I'm joined in person by Danny Kay and Claire Korbeck. We were in New York City in the World Trade center and Spotify headquarters. DK has never been to New York City before. So the Big Apple.

[Claire Korbeck]

That's what they all say.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Big Apple. I'm walking here.

[Claire Korbeck]

I've slapped so many car hoods.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, you can't hail a cab to save your damn life.

[Claire Korbeck]

Teach me the form.

[Danny Hy]

Follow us at Ringer Fancy Football on Instagram, if you want, or on Instagram at Ringer Fantasy Football if you want to see our behind the scenes. DK just. We're just feeding him food and teaching him how to jaywalk and stuff. And so we're doing that. We're in our live show. Excited for the lecture.

[Danny Kay]

Bacon, egg and cheese today. Hold the bacon.

[Danny Hy]

I.

[Danny Kay]

So it's off to a rough start.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it's pretty brutal. Yeah. I will say, also in New York City, they let us do Amy Poehler's studio. This is where she does good hang with Amy Poehler. This is her ficus in her spot behind me. Oh, I. I am him.

[Danny Kay]

I mean, Idris Elba is going to join us.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, we have Idris Elba here. We're really excited for him.

[Danny Kay]

Right outside. They all just stay here.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

So, yeah, and then we're going to. We also get to. It's preseason week two winners. Like, there are a lot of players that looked really good. A lot of players have gotten hurt since we last did a show. So going through all the injuries, going through all the guys who look good, and we're running back deep cut sleepers. We kind of decided on if you guys really like it, sleepers. And then also, more importantly, Taylor Swift. We have a low stakes conspiracy theory on Taylor Swift. And then also most importantly of all, we have an update on Jelly the Bear.

[Danny Kay]

A verdict. An alleged verdict.

[Danny Hy]

Alleged. Allegedly alive. The Turtleback zoo went live on Instagram with the bear. We have a bear update. All that we, you know, kind of have to do the football first and then we have the bear update. So that's coming. But yeah, so we're very excited. Going to get to all of that. But first we're going to take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai. Getaway sales event and get away with a deal. So right it almost feels wrong. You can get huge savings on their adventure ready SUV's like the Hyundai Santa Fe and Santa Fe hybrid models. Or go all electric and choose from America's most awarded EV lineup like the Breakthrough Ioniq 5 or Ioniq 6. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for details. Offers end September 2, 2025 this episode is brought to you by Yahoo. Fantasy. It's my favorite time of the year. The NFL season is almost here and fantasy football season is in full swing. This season Yahoo Fantasy is taking it up a notch and giving you a fantasy football experience like never before. This year we're playing on Yahoo. Fantasy and you should too. We're doing the Ringer Fantasy Football League on Yahoo. Fantasy because it's the best place to do the league. Yahoo Fantasy is dropping 28 big new features over 28 days throughout August. They just dropped Yahoo Fantasy Guillotine leagues where the lowest scoring team gets eliminated weekly until one is left standing. Give this new mode a try or stick with the classics in private head to head leagues or public leagues. Stay tuned for more killer announcements and start playing Yahoo. Fantasy Football now@yahoo. Fantasy.com theringer we have to go through a tremendous amount of things that have happened over the last week since we last recorded together and I think we should just get into it because I mean contracts have been signed, hamstrings have been pulled. We'll get the zoo that was hiding the black bear. Jelly the Bear. They did in a live stream with Jelly the Bear. We have lots to get to.

[Claire Korbeck]

Proof of life for Jelly. Sort of.

[Danny Hy]

Craig, you've been on vacation so you got to pull your weight here. Just take us through. Like honestly, just take it through all the preseason games.

[Danny Kay]

This is the last week of preseason that matters. The next week it's going to be no starters. There was actually a lot of action this week. A lot of quarterbacks that we had questions about played this week, which is a great place to start. So Caleb. Caleb played last night. Sunday night.

[Danny Hy]

He's earned one.

[Claire Korbeck]

I like that.

[Danny Hy]

He's earned one name.

[Claire Korbeck]

Caleb Williams, the mononym.

[Danny Kay]

Well, he's the only Caleb that was there. If his name was Matt, it wouldn't work. But Caleb works.

[Danny Hy]

He lost 10 games in a row last season. He gets one. He's like Ichiro. Now we're going to call him one name.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, Caleb. Last night, played against the Bills. Caleb looked really good. He had two series in his first drive he had a 93 yard drive and a touchdown. In total his stat line, he finished 6 for 10, 107 yards and a touchdown. His touchdown was a 35 yard throw to Olamide Zakiye.

[Claire Korbeck]

Sleeper.

[Danny Kay]

This is a real like everybody breathe. Yeah. The Bears are the it's so over. We're so back team already 100% like every three days on social media it is like the Bears are screwed, Caleb's a bust and like wait a minute. Actually, Ben Johnson's going to fix all of this. I was today early at the gym. I were at the gym together. No big deal.

[Danny Hy]

Well, we were together. We didn't acknowledge we did that. Have you heard of astronaut time for relationships? It's like when you're living together, you like pretending one astronauts over there.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And so we didn't acknowledge each other.

[Danny Kay]

No. I was on the treadmill. Hi. Vinitz was hitting the weights.

[Claire Korbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Kay]

No big deal.

[Claire Korbeck]

Dumbbells and stuff.

[Danny Kay]

But I was get up was on is gym TV but they don't put.

[Danny Hy]

The captions on the gym TVs so it's just like just watching a screen.

[Danny Kay]

You don't know what they're saying, you know.

[Claire Korbeck]

The takes are good though.

[Danny Kay]

I want to ask you guys the same question that they asked Dan Orlovsky and get up crew. Sure. What did Caleb Williams prove last night? And I'm going to add my own.

[Claire Korbeck]

If anything at all, I would say maybe not. Proof is proof is a strong word. He gave me a lot of confidence. More confidence that he can play on time. And that was like the big thing when he was dropping like and they were playing under center, they were doing rollouts. They were doing things like that where, you know, it's not just, you know, in shotgun and he's doing his thing and running around and trying to make a play happen, which was I feel like a lot of last year he was hitting his back foot, getting the ball out, going over the middle of field and just playing in rhythm that I feel like we only saw in small spurts last year. It was like he had a couple of really good games where he kind of was like feeling it in this game. It just looked crisp and in rhythm and that was something I feel like we rarely saw last year. So I was really, really encouraged by that.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, he looked like Jared Goff, right?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

He was just sitting in the pocket ripping passes.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

To Cole Command to Zakia, sent to whoever and heaven. How much are you? Because you're out. You have been pretty, pretty Public the last couple of weeks about how you're kind of out on the Bears has this. I love preseason the most because this is like he threw 10 passes and he completed six of them. Are you now changing your entire opinion because of last year?

[Danny Hy]

Literally, I'm totally in on the Bears now. I think what I've been want to. I want to be clear that I think I've been out on the Bears necessarily for fantasy, because I think that actually Ben Johnson will fix this team. But I'm a little out on the whole thing being fixed in week. Sorry. In year one of this whole experiment.

[Claire Korbeck]

Like, it's like you don't fix a team ever, though. I mean, like, it's. It's not like all of a sudden we're fixed.

[Danny Hy]

It's tough.

[Claire Korbeck]

It's going to be gradual.

[Danny Hy]

It's tough because on one hand, the biggest change there is in the NFL is going a really bad coach to a great coach, which is what we all think The Patriots are going to be good because Gerard Mayo to Mike Vrabel is a huge change. And like, you know, back in the day when the Niners went from like Mike Singletary to Jim Harbaugh, it's like the team that had, I don't know, four wins, three wins went to like the NFC Championship game. So it does happen sometimes. But the flip side is when there are as many issues as Chicago had, Caleb Williams has to develop. I mean, Roma Dunes is out here saying we might not learn the offense in year one entirely. However, to your point about what did Caleb prove? I think the question has been basically for Caleb Williams, it's been to your point, can you play on time? Which what that means is football, the passing game, ever since Bill Walsh last 40 years as a West coast is the footwork of the quarterback is tied to the footwork of the receiver. It's dancing, it's timing. And so you have to be tied. But what Caleb Williams did under Lincoln Riley at USC is jazz. It's like, oh, yeah. It's like, you know, Lincoln Riley's kind of a vibes coach. And it's like, yeah, you figure it out. Like, it's going to be chill. Like, you know, here's plan A, but you got a riff. It's fine.

[Danny Kay]

Which is kind of just relying on raw physical talent.

[Danny Hy]

Physical talent and vibes and athleticism. I'm going to recruit the best quarterbacks.

[Danny Kay]

And they're going to figure it out.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. And so then Ben Johnson, when he was doing in Detroit, was like an orchestra, like it was so well done.

[Claire Korbeck]

Like, not quite my tempo. He's like the drum. The drum teacher.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, exactly. And so the question is, can Ben Johnson could adapt to someone who's not Jared Goff and is not 65 and going to play in this offense? And I think. I don't know what halfway is between jazz and orchestra, but it feels like a really cool rock band. That is, to me, what I saw. They proved to me that Ben Johnson could do something. Caleb Williams skill set, and that Caleb Williams can be a little closer to Goff, and they can do it in the preseason. I would like to see that. You know, was he sacked in a real game?

[Claire Korbeck]

I don't think he was sacked.

[Danny Kay]

I don't know if he's sacked.

[Danny Hy]

No, he got the ball out way faster. So, I mean, that's the simple. That's the simpler answer, is he got the ball out a second and a half. He took three and a half seconds on average to throw every goddamn football last year, and he throw the ball in under two seconds, like four times. That alone is great.

[Danny Kay]

I would like to announce that I'm back in on the Bears.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, he's back, baby.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I think I saw him throw three passes.

[Danny Kay]

Doesn't it also feel like. I think Caleb is the type of player who really benefits from positive momentum or he's really affected by momentum, kind of like, mentally and personally. To me, he seems like the type of guy where if he can parlay a couple good games together and the train gets moving, it's going to be really hard to stop that momentum. And I think once he starts to feel confident and he can just start playing and stop thinking, he'll be really good. But it's the same way in the other direction, where if things start to go poorly, you get in your own head, you start overthinking, it'll go really badly. I do think that he's kind of a little bit more volatile in that sense and that if, like, a couple games work out and he gets maybe even like a lucky bounce that wins them a game or something like that, it's enough to really get Caleb going. And he could take off earlier than.

[Danny Hy]

I think, kind of like. So you're saying if they hit adversity, it's bad? Kind of like, I don't know, just to make it up. Like, if you lose at a Hail mary, you lose 10 straight games.

[Danny Kay]

Exactly.

[Danny Hy]

Got it. Remember the time those 10 games after.

[Claire Korbeck]

Hail Mary, does it remind you at all of. Do you remember the narratives? And Jared Goff And Caleb Williams are different style of quarterbacks, but both top picks.

[Danny Hy]

I didn't. So I think. I didn't know that.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, they are both top picks. Both pretty atrocious in their first year in the NFL. And then now you're seeing like Sean McVay came in and basically Goff look completely different from the Jeff Fisher. Right. And then I'm hoping this is what we see sort of in the Ben Johnson offense. Like, it's just the detail. And this is what we hear. We've heard during training camp and why you probably were kind of like out on them is there's just been consistently negative reports every training camp practice.

[Danny Kay]

Well, everyone's just like, this is really hard.

[Danny Hy]

This is a great.

[Danny Kay]

It's like planning for the LSAT in a month and you're like, okay, maybe, but it's also difficult.

[Danny Hy]

This is why I've been so stubborn about Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville, people giving up on him. It's why I'm still stubborn about Anthony Richardson, where again, you're right. Jared Goff is a good example of how. Well how he played in Detroit where Matt. Jared Goff didn't make the super bowl last year. Basically, Jared Goff was a salary dump to the Lions and Baker Mayfield on the Bucks. Baker Mayfield, who were like, oh, yeah, three quarters. Not a problem. Baker Mayfield was salary dump from the Panthers. So I'm not giving up on any of these guys. That's a good point. Other team that looked really good, the Seahawks looked really good for the drive and a half. Basically, they played starters, trying not to get.

[Claire Korbeck]

I'm trying not to overreact.

[Danny Kay]

Preseason's the best.

[Danny Hy]

I know. It's awesome.

[Claire Korbeck]

Best offense ever. This reminds me so much of the first two weeks of the Saints last year.

[Danny Kay]

Sure.

[Claire Korbeck]

Where they couldn't. You couldn't do anything to stop him. Like the Saints off.

[Danny Hy]

I don't think I can die.

[Danny Kay]

Did you fall off the roof?

[Danny Hy]

You sailor, you.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, he. Clay looks great in warmups, doesn't he?

[Claire Korbeck]

But I will say the scheme. The scheme really does feel very different. There's a different identity. They want to run the football. They're doing a lot of play action stuff. It's just. It feels so much different. And this is like the classic preseason thing where I saw this from Ian Harditz. He. According to the charting, I don't know where he got this, but yards before contact. The Seahawks are fourth in the 2025 preseason. They were 30th last year.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Which is like a huge sign of scheme and offensive Lines.

[Claire Korbeck]

But Gray Zabel, I think, you know, obviously they've made changes. They drafted this guy in the first round and he's looked awesome. Jalen Sandel, their center, has looked really good too. Basically, if I'm starting to have a little bit of hope that this run game will completely change the Seahawks offense, I'm starting to buy into it a little bit. Every back that's played for the Seahawks so far in the preseason looks really good. Zach Charbonnet looked awesome in this last game. Damian Martinez, their rookie out of Miami, looks pretty good. And George Holani, who is I think a second year player, has like run for a bunch of yards. So it's like it's not just like one guy who looks good or whatever. It is kind of just this offense feels like it's really clicking. So I don't know, I'm starting to get excited.

[Danny Kay]

How do we feel about. So Charbonnet had another big day. Kenneth Walker hurt. This is four straight seasons with a foot issue for Kenneth Walker.

[Claire Korbeck]

He had, he had a, he's had multiple injuries. He's had like a oblique injury which is always some somewhat worrisome.

[Danny Kay]

He's one of the few players, you know, people always say there's no, you can't be injury prone. Players aren't injury prone. You just get hurt. He does. Kenneth Walker might be injury prone.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Hy]

I am out on Ken Walker just because he's so fun to watch when he's healthy. I am officially kind of like, I kind of can't handle like a running back with foot issues for the entirety of the season. Meanwhile, with Zach Charbonnet, I just think I'm looking at, we have him 118th which is, you know, basically like, you know, 10th, 11th round. We need to move him up 25 spots because I just feel like Zach Charbonnet is so like any game that Ken Walker misses is so clearly the number one back in Seattle. And Seattle's running back game is going to go from bottom four to top four.

[Danny Kay]

I mean, even if you look at last year when the running game was bottom five, Charbonnet, when Kenneth Walker was out was a top 12 running back straight up. Charbonnet, that top 12 group.

[Danny Hy]

Every week there's a weird quirk and I'm probably going to mention this a lot over the next couple weeks of shows, but I did a lot of diving into like basically what are like very basic differences in values of like ESPN and Yahoo or Sleeper or wherever you have your rankings. And for whatever reason, ESPN has ranked Zach Sharpity like 133rd. So like that's like what is that? Like a 13, like a 11th round pick, 12th round pick. And he's like 40 spots higher in. Yahoo. 40 spots. Iron sleeper. And like I. That's where I want to be. I think Charbonnet is, I mean like we use this term maybe too much, but Charbonne to me is a league winning player. We already know it's August. Kenneth Walker has a foot injury.

[Claire Korbeck]

He was back at practice this year.

[Danny Hy]

But like they don't go away. You're running back, it doesn't get better. It's a foot injury. Like he's a running back. I don't know.

[Danny Kay]

He's literally had four straight years.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it's like his foot, he just has a foot problem.

[Danny Kay]

His foot hurts all the time.

[Danny Hy]

His foot. Yeah, he's constantly.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's gonna play some.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, we gotta move him up.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Charbonnet is our running. Is the running back 36 and Walker's the running back 16.

[Danny Hy]

I literally did a podcast that with Sheil Kapadia, co host here at the Ringer and I picked the Cardinals to win the, to make the playoffs, not win the Super Bowl. Sorry, make the playoffs. And then I like saw the Seahawks play and I was like, God, that was stupid. I should have picked the Seahawks. It is another person who looked really good, I thought was Cam Ward for the Titans. Cam Ward, good example of bot. Like, you know when you're golfing sometimes and you're like, yeah, I mean I shot terribly but I played well. Cam Ward's stat lines like he completed two of seven passes, looked pretty bad, but he has sick throw to Van Jefferson that Van Jefferson did not catch, but it was awesome. He had another sick throw along the sideline that was called back for like holding or something stupid. But it was an awesome throw. And then like a good throw on third and three. But the cornerback like had a smart pass interference that like was not slick and was not called. And I'm like, I just. Kmaward hasn't been pressured a ton. And the Titans offensive line, if it's basically, you know, it's the preseason, maybe there's going to be more exotic blitzes, but if the Titans offensive line is good, Cam Ward in the backfield, I'm very, I'm bullish. I'm not saying the Titans are going to be great to make the playoffs or anything, but I'm really into Cam. I think he's going to be like a very exciting player.

[Danny Kay]

I do too. The Titans are On my short list of there's like the sleeper teams that aren't really the sleeper teams. Everyone's like the Bears. Those are the obvious ones. But there's always one team that truly comes out of nowhere, makes the playoffs.

[Claire Korbeck]

Nobody believes in the Titans right now.

[Danny Kay]

It's going to be the Titans, it's going to be the Panthers, it's going to be potentially the New York Giants. There are certain like teams that are truly in that group and I think the Titans are one of them. I also just think Ken Ward, sometimes you just know when somebody has an intangible, an X factor aura, as Gen Z likes to say.

[Danny Hy]

He has aura.

[Danny Kay]

He has aura, like. And you know who kind of doesn't to me is Caleb Williams. For how cool Caleb Williams is on the field, for his style of play, for how flash he is, all that stuff. When you see Caleb Williams in an interview, when you see him at practice versus Cam Ward, Cam Ward looks like he walked into Titans camp and was like, this is my team. I'm going to motivate everybody here. My speeches are awesome. He's already recruiting players to come with him. Get there early and work out. Get there early and start practicing before everybody shows up. Like, he just, even if he doesn't end up being an amazing quarterback, he seems like he's already a leader. And I just like, I buy into that.

[Danny Hy]

So you're saying Cam Ward has aura, but Caleb Williams is an aura farmer?

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, perhaps.

[Danny Hy]

Okay, we'll explain that to DK after the show. We'll put that on. We're going to bring back the Gen Z spelling bee. If you have Gen Z spelling.

[Danny Kay]

I keep hearing about that. When are we doing that?

[Danny Hy]

Well, Kai's moving to. He's not here. Yeah. So, okay.

[Danny Kay]

Can we talk about another guy who surprised me because he, he has aura.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

Is Jackson Dart. Jackson fucking Dart has aura that he has it. I don't know.

[Danny Hy]

You're God damn right.

[Claire Korbeck]

Did you say. Because you said last year, I think that Caleb Williams is the first Gen Z quarterback or whatever. I, I kind of understand what that means, but when I see Jackson Dart.

[Danny Hy]

I'm like, this guy's Jen Jackson Dart.

[Danny Kay]

He has a literal mullet.

[Danny Hy]

Jackson Dart is the first good Gen Z course.

[Claire Korbeck]

This guy looks like a youth to me. He's just a youth. He, he has like, his style is really an interesting. Did you see him in his post game presser? He's got like, he just has a crazy, crazy look to him. And I'm saying that I'm Recognizing very much that I sound like a boomer. He just has a crazy style.

[Danny Kay]

Sure.

[Danny Hy]

Well, he does the Star Wars. He does the eye black to remind himself he wants to look like Anakin Skywalker for the prequels. Which is funny because then Abdul Carter is such a star. He's Darth Vader guy. He wrote Darth Vader on his eye black for the orange ball.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Which mostly, first of all, the fact that Giants have two first round picks obsessed with the Star wars prequels, I'm like, that's pretty good for Star Wars. Like the jet. I mean these kids were even barely alive when those movies are made. So Star wars not, you know, maybe they're not making enough content. You know, you ever thought of that?

[Danny Kay]

I think they are.

[Danny Hy]

I think they probably are willingly pulling.

[Danny Kay]

Back because they realize they went too hard.

[Danny Hy]

Here's the biggest thing that's changed between when I last did a show with Craig and now when Craig left, I was like, man, I think the Giants are going to have like the best defensive line in football. I'm not saying the Giants can win the super bowl, but like the Giants, every Super bowl, all four times Giants ever won the super bowl, their defensive line looked like looking at photos of Jackson Dart dude. He, dude. Well, you know what?

[Danny Kay]

So James, he looks like he's walking around Venice Boulevard.

[Danny Hy]

So Jamis was asked, Jameis was asked about being in the Giants. You know what Jameis said? He said the white boys here have spice because it's Jackson Dart looking like that Tommy DeVito and Cam Scatterboo. And he's like, yeah, they got like, they got flavor.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And I was like, they do though.

[Claire Korbeck]

Like Dart was good As a 42 year old man, I'm like, I wouldn't even know how to have a conversation with this guy. I don't know what am I going to say? Hello, I like feathered hair, fellow youth. Hello, my fellow kid. You know, it's like, like, is Jackson.

[Danny Kay]

Dart a stage name or what's up? Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

And also his name is the most.

[Danny Kay]

Gen Z J A X S O.

[Danny Hy]

N. Jackson Jackson Dart. Also the dart emoji because you can do the bullet bullseye, but also you could do the cigarette.

[Danny Kay]

I mean, look, if he works out, one of the better quarterback names we've ever had.

[Danny Hy]

In all seriousness, the Dart Dart looks good. And like, I know I was skeptical of him, but he looked one the.

[Claire Korbeck]

Parts of he's all in.

[Danny Hy]

Here's what's changed.

[Danny Kay]

I'm kind of making everyone's coming. I'm holding myself down to not jump on the train.

[Danny Hy]

I'm so in on this team. Abdul Carter is Micah Parsons.

[Danny Kay]

Copy is truly poison dart, though, remember? Yeah, sorry. Remember Kenny Pickett? Do we remember?

[Danny Hy]

No, but, like.

[Danny Kay]

I know, I know.

[Danny Hy]

I'm just saying.

[Claire Korbeck]

I was like 11 for 11.

[Danny Kay]

He was incredible in the preseason, and everyone's like, we knew it was gonna take a year. He's like a professional Joe Montana. He's great. He's in his.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, we never said that. You said that.

[Danny Kay]

We all acknowledge that he looked good. Stop.

[Danny Hy]

Stop.

[Danny Kay]

Play the tape.

[Danny Hy]

No.

[Danny Kay]

Run it. Don't play the tape.

[Claire Korbeck]

No.

[Danny Hy]

Play Jackson dart. Look, he can move. The deep ball's good. Like the runner. Look, the part of Daniel Jones that was exciting in the beginning, people forget Jones got bad because Jones was really a good runner. He was physical and he had good deep ball. The part of Daniel Jones gets left out is he had a neck injury, a spinal injury, and he lost his deep ball. He was acl and he tore his acl. So suddenly, less athleticism. Not a deep ball. Now you're just like a shitty Alex Smith Jackson dart. Still, like, he's a good runner with a good arm. You know, not. The Ole Miss offense is not the most advanced thing, but I'm like, you know what? Unlike Russell Wilson, what's going to happen is Russell Wilson is going to play the first half of the or whenever, and then Dart's going to come in and he's actually going to throw over the middle field. It's going to be like a revelation. Anyway, I'm so excited.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think that's interesting because the Dart offense is very different from the Russell Wilson offense in terms of what they're totally trying to do, trying to accomplish, like, the way that they run it. And not for nothing, but Russell Wilson's look pretty sharp.

[Danny Kay]

Stop.

[Danny Hy]

We can't get into this.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

No, no, no. Stop.

[Danny Hy]

No.

[Claire Korbeck]

By which you're telling me to stop?

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, I am.

[Claire Korbeck]

All right, pal.

[Danny Kay]

You're like looking back on your Jackson dark future. She was actually pretty great. He had like an 80 yard touchdown. Stop. Stop.

[Danny Hy]

It was.

[Danny Kay]

It's going to be week four and he's going to be terrible, and people are going to be begging for Jackson dart. I think Dart is going to play.

[Claire Korbeck]

They want something. That's the thing.

[Danny Kay]

I know the Giant schedule is really hard and they got unlucky and that there's. There's no. There's no time that makes sense for Dart to come in until, like, week 12. I don't know, man, I think it's going to be hard to deny him after watching Russell Wilson for the first time.

[Claire Korbeck]

I drafted Jackson Dart in a draft this weekend.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

So in a one quarterback league, I mean. Oh, no, it is super flex, but.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, still, it's like you have the D line is incredible. You got Malik, neighbors, the offensive line.

[Claire Korbeck]

Dart, I just want to say hardest.

[Danny Kay]

The Giants are a month away from being like, holy scatter booze. Like, kind of doing things. You're like, man, they could be kind of sneaky, frisky.

[Claire Korbeck]

Okay, Okay. I just want to say I'm way.

[Danny Kay]

More on hype closer to Ivan.

[Claire Korbeck]

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I just want to say put it on the record to have it out there that regular season football, especially the defense looks very different.

[Danny Kay]

My spidey senses are tingling with Dart. I just want to say it.

[Danny Hy]

Speaking of spidey senses, Ash and Genti for the Raiders, I won't lie. Yeah, I was a little worried when the first game he had like negative yards. Seattle a little concerned.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And then got the ick.

[Danny Kay]

The second game he was a little bit better.

[Danny Hy]

Well, the Seahawks defense might just be great, but he did truck the Niners cornerback. D'. Amador. Lenore or Lenoir? I don't know. I'm not going to. It's like a French. I don't know. D', Amador, Lenore, but he got like, rocked. And I was like, that's the guy I know. And I'm like, all right, Genti's going to be good.

[Danny Kay]

Do you think if Genty only played in Week 1 of the preseason, his draft stock would have dropped maybe like a few.

[Claire Korbeck]

I bet, like a few picks A little.

[Danny Hy]

It's just like weird to be like, oh, negative yards in the preseason. That's weird. Yeah. But I just think the seal says.

[Claire Korbeck]

The guys who are all in on Jackson Dart.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, those are separate things. Dk.

[Danny Hy]

But he looked good and Genti looked bad. We're acknowledging what we saw. It's very consistent logic.

[Danny Kay]

Did Genti. Dk, you're big on Genti. You're our draft expert. In week two where he played a little bit better, he played a little more. Does Genty look like you thought he was going to look in the pros?

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean. I don't.

[Danny Hy]

Unstoppable is the right.

[Claire Korbeck]

I don't.

[Danny Kay]

He hasn't.

[Claire Korbeck]

No. He hasn't looked like different than what I expected.

[Danny Kay]

He hasn't looked. So he does look as.

[Claire Korbeck]

He looks about like what I was expecting.

[Danny Hy]

I Just think. I think the thing with Genti is like wait, what?

[Claire Korbeck]

Hasn't not looked. Hasn't on the same as what I was.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I think what Craig's saying is I would. No one wanted to criticize the Genti pick because we're like, yeah, you shouldn't take a running back that high, but this guy's sick.

[Danny Kay]

Yes.

[Danny Hy]

And I think that it's. This season will probably be a reminder that your offensive line matters a lot. And both Genti can be really good. And again, there's salary bullshit that we don't have to get into in the middle of August when the season's about to be here. But basically I am a little worried that the Raiders offensive line. But he's still going to get so many touches and I do think his upside is a receiver is really underrated.

[Danny Kay]

I think he's. He's properly ranked. Kind of the end of round one, beginning of round two, kind of going.

[Danny Hy]

To let other people have Genti. It's kind of where I've decided.

[Danny Kay]

It's so funny though because I'm going.

[Danny Hy]

To let other people.

[Danny Kay]

If he broke one 30 yard run in the preseason, I think I'd be.

[Danny Hy]

Like, well, he broke one 30 yard run and he sent Lenore D' Amador. Lenore into another stratosphere.

[Danny Kay]

I wanted to ask what is the absolute worst career comp. Jenty could have that would make him not a bust? Like if he had Josh Jacobs career when he's 28 years old, he's had Josh Jacobs career. Is he a bust or. No.

[Claire Korbeck]

Disappointment. Not a bust.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. I mean the, the, the. I think disappointment expectations are high. Yeah. Just fine. Change it to disappointment.

[Claire Korbeck]

No, he's thinking Richardson is a bus.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

But like relatively disappointing is what he's saying.

[Danny Kay]

If you're spending, you know what was he fifth or sixth?

[Danny Hy]

Sixth pick.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Like if he has Josh Jacobs career as the 6 pick.

[Danny Hy]

No, that's not.

[Danny Kay]

What would you want?

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kay]

So, so that's. So Josh Jacobs is not good enough. So raise.

[Claire Korbeck]

No, he has to be in the.

[Danny Kay]

What if he's. Ezekiel Elliott.

[Claire Korbeck]

Ezekiel Elliott, Todd Gurley, Christian McCaffrey. That tier. I think to live up to his draft. Yeah, his draft.

[Danny Kay]

Do you agree with that?

[Claire Korbeck]

I think he can be. Should be the expectation.

[Danny Kay]

The best running back in the league. Gurley's the best running back.

[Danny Hy]

They were one offensive player of the year. You went off into player the year one time. Then the pick was justified.

[Danny Kay]

So I think that he needs to be.

[Danny Hy]

What was the first name you said I thought that was like fair Zeke.

[Danny Kay]

I think Zeke makes more sense. I don't think Zeke was ever the best running back in the league.

[Danny Hy]

Zeke is tough because it's English a statistical comp because he went to the best offensive line fell I think a better comp honestly I think the floor is probably honestly Jonathan Taylor not saying Ashton Genti is necessarily that kind of guy but Jonathan Taylor like I don't think Colts fans don't like Jonathan Taylor. I also think if Jonathan Taylor had been drafted sixth he'd be disappointing. He was a second round pick. So it's like yeah I mean the Chiefs took Clyde Edwards a layer of Jonathan Taylor huge mistake. But if Jonathan Taylor gone six you're like I don't know if this guy's but that's to me is probably the worst player where you're like I'm still okay with this.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think though from the fantasy point of view what I was just about to say too and that this segues really good really well to that is basically I think you can expect you need to expect that he's going to have the type of production that we've seen from some of These other top 12 top 15 picks where he's a high end RB1 he was a receiver in high school.

[Danny Hy]

I do think he's a slot receiver in high school.

[Danny Kay]

Yes.

[Danny Hy]

That's what matters to me is he.

[Claire Korbeck]

Can catch a football he just wasn't astronauts.

[Danny Hy]

He replaced State who's it that random teammate that was good. Oh let's do our favorite thing reminding oh this is where all the podcast.

[Danny Kay]

Did he replace Marvin Mims?

[Danny Hy]

Yes, it was Marvin Mims.

[Danny Kay]

Marvin Mims who had the most receiver.

[Danny Hy]

Receiving yards in the history of Texas high school football and he replaced Marvin Mims and he replaced Mims.

[Danny Kay]

This is a good segue into another rookie. Tyler Warren, the tight end for the Colts has has looked great.

[Claire Korbeck]

Is it two weeks I've seen enough.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah for sure he was so the Colts took him I think 14th out of Penn State. I Warren is dangerously close to like I've seen enough. I do feel like I've seen enough like this guy.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah I want to give one stat over the over the two games he's played in the preseason the Colts starters have played 35 snaps and Tyler Warren has been on the field for 34 of them.

[Danny Hy]

I think Tyler Warren is like going to be not just my but like our show sleeper tight end of like if you're listening to this before your draft leave like get Tyler Warren and make him your number two tight end if you want. But like you should probably just have.

[Danny Kay]

Tyler Warren right now. In drafts. He's going like we have him around like round 11ish. And he's going after guys like Jake Ferguson, Evan Ingram and Tucker Craft. He's going right before guys like, like Colson Loveland, Dalton Kincaid and Kyle Pitts. Should he be. Do you think he should now be kind of elevated into the Jake Ferguson, Evan Ingram, Tucker Kraft and Joku Kelsey cadict here?

[Danny Hy]

Yes. Like, I mean, to me, easily because of something. We had a conversation on the way here about the nature of sleepers and stuff. And if there's something we could probably do a better job of is like highlighting underlying bolding players when it's like, no, no, no. But like the high range of outcome for this guy is top four.

[Danny Kay]

It's not just that like he could return some value where you're drafting him. I think Tyler Warren has as good a chance as anybody to be like the tight end for this year, which is there's the big three, right. You have Kittle, you have, you have Brock Bowers and you have Trey McBride. I think Warren could legitimately come in and be fourth this year. He checks a lot of boxes. Right. He's going to play a ton, which is like, honestly one of the biggest things for tight end is just how often are they on the field and running routes. He has no clear high end competition, which is also huge with tight ends. You need a guy who's like the number one guy or the number two guy on a really good offense. He has the chance to be the number one guy. And you can't say that for somebody like Colston Loveland, who is surrounded by a ton of talent.

[Danny Hy]

Tyler Warren said he tied or set the single game record for catches in an FBS college football game by a tight end. Literally, I think I forget 16 or 17. 17. He had 17 catches in game, which literally is the most any tight end has ever had in an FBS football game.

[Claire Korbeck]

The USC game.

[Danny Hy]

Like yeah, versus usc. And just the point being Nate Tice, our buddy Nate Tice, who's at Yahoo and does great stuff, made a great point that basically Tyler Warren got typecast as like a George Kittle. And I swear to God it's because George Kittle and Jeremy Shockey have long hair and so they were like good blockers who could catch. Tyler Warren is actually like, he's not quite Nevin Ingram, but he's not like some advanced blocker. He is a receiving tight End. And I'm dead serious. The long hair throws people off, but he is going to be catching balls. And you kept comparing to Dallas Goddard. We get the ick. But the point being Shane Steichen, coach of the Eagles or sorry, coach of the Colts. Imagine the Eagles.

[Claire Korbeck]

Steichen didn't have A.J. brown and Devonte Smith.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, but when. Shit. Exactly. Because when Shane Steichen was the coordinator of the Eagles, the first one that went to the super bowl and lost to the Chiefs, that team Zach hurts. They're there, but they're. No but their thing that season was Dallas Goddard screens. They were like just spamming these Dallas Goddard screens.

[Danny Kay]

That's my bad.

[Danny Hy]

Zach Ertz was on Arizona at the time. We thought he was going to be 17. No, no, sorry, sorry, sorry. There were three Eagles Super Bowls. I said first time. That's my fault. The Eagles won the Super bowl in 17. That wasn't stank. It Steichen was there in 2022 and they lost.

[Danny Kay]

Yes, you're talking.

[Danny Hy]

No, you were right. Earth won that game. You were right. So the start, the second. God, the Eagles have made three Super Bowls.

[Danny Kay]

It's kind of. It's kind of flies under the radar actually like how dominant the Eagles have been.

[Danny Hy]

Insane.

[Danny Kay]

Because it's been two completely different regimes. So I feel like you don't really think about both.

[Danny Hy]

I know so. But the point being that when they went to the super bowl and they lost to the Chiefs and that was like a great game. The Goddard that season was so many screens. And to your point, what if Tyler Warren just gets all those Dallas Goddard screens but all those like slants by AJ Brown are also Tyler Warren, the bar is so low for him to be a good tight end and so rookie. There is a pattern of like the elite. It's been three or four. Kyle Pitts had a first thousand yard thing in 60 years. Brock Bowers just had the most catches ever by rookie Sam Laporta. We are seeing elite tight ends every year for the first time ever be good as rookies. So yeah, I really think we should like officially stamp. Tyler Warren is one of like our favorite players this year.

[Danny Kay]

He's fucking huge. He's so big out there. He looks big even in larger than life, even in the NFL.

[Claire Korbeck]

He. Yeah, I think it's. People are scared of the quarterback thing and we could talk About Anthony Richardson vs. Daniel Jones@ some point in the show but I think it's mainly just people are. Look at the quarterback situation. They're like I'm out But I think he.

[Danny Kay]

He.

[Claire Korbeck]

Tyler Warren actually has a higher floor than people think because I think he's going to get like three or four schemed up, plays a game well.

[Danny Kay]

And. And he's the perfect match to Anthony Richardson because his catch radius is so big. Like, Anthony Richardson can literally be inaccurate and he'll still catch it.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, that's real. They should just. That's why they have Michael Pittman. There's as big as people as possible.

[Danny Hy]

That's why Michael Pittman has a bad back. Because the balls keep. Or pelting in hospital balls. Yeah. Other couple of things that happened. So the Browns named Joe Flacco the starter. Russia. Also the Colts thing changed.

[Claire Korbeck]

Should we talk about that?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, he's going to name his starter soon. I feel like by the time this comes out, we might even have one. What do you think?

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean, so the first game, Anthony Richardson started and then Daniel Jones came in after. I believe Richardson got rocked.

[Danny Kay]

Lit up, right?

[Claire Korbeck]

That's right. He broke his pinky. And then. Sorry, I didn't mean to laugh about that. It's not like.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I mean, it was. Go ahead, make fun of the player being hurt.

[Claire Korbeck]

And then Daniel Jones started this last weekend preseason, week two, and Anthony Richardson came in after. My impression, and maybe this is. I'm probably a little bit biased. And I said it before, though, I think if. If it's even close, they got to go Richardson. Even if. Even if Richardson is like a little bit worse than Daniel Jones, they still got to go Richardson.

[Danny Kay]

They have.

[Claire Korbeck]

They have so much draft capital tied up in him. His potential is absolutely still through the roof.

[Danny Kay]

It's more embarrassing. I just feel like Daniel Jones and then have to bench Daniel Jones to put Anthony Richardson back in.

[Danny Hy]

I have an idea. You guys ready?

[Claire Korbeck]

Oh, God.

[Danny Hy]

Anthony Richardson starts the season, plays like a couple weeks. Terrible. They bench him. No, it doesn't get hurt. They're healthy. They bench him.

[Claire Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

Shane Steichen's like, I'm going to play the best guy. Daniel Jones comes in, plays. All right. Stage a car crash, hit Daniel Jones. Anthony Richards pull a Bryce out. Exactly.

[Danny Kay]

He's already got a neck issue. That's kind of cruel.

[Danny Hy]

Well, he got a seatbelt.

[Claire Korbeck]

He'll be fine.

[Danny Hy]

We're faking it. Craig, Hollywood magic for you.

[Danny Kay]

All right. All right.

[Danny Hy]

And then Anthony Richardson comes back in, getting this chance. He never thought. Boom. Plays great.

[Claire Korbeck]

Anyway. I think Anthony Richardson looks better.

[Danny Hy]

He's going to get the job because holy shit. Everyone's going to get Fired if he sucks.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think I also. And it's kind of more like I don't think Daniel and I still do.

[Danny Hy]

Think Anthony Richardson should be your last pick in fantasy football for the simple reason that every week he plays the rushing. Like, you know, I'm just. I'm just. Again, you can cut him. If you think it's dumb, then whatever. But, like, I still.

[Danny Kay]

Have you ever had Anthony Richardson on your fantasy team?

[Claire Korbeck]

Do you know what it's like?

[Danny Kay]

Honest? Because it's kind of agonizing. You know, it's like.

[Danny Hy]

But he's on your bench, though. You haven't. He shouldn't be your quarterback.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, but here's the thing.

[Danny Hy]

Should be your backup quarterback.

[Danny Kay]

Okay, let's say you're. Let's say your starters. Jared Goff. And your backup is Anthony Richardson. And you obviously start golf week one. Golf has 18 points. Anthony Richardson runs for three touchdowns and puts up 29 points. You're like, holy shit. You make the swap next week.

[Danny Hy]

Don't make this.

[Danny Kay]

Leave him on your bench.

[Claire Korbeck]

What's the point?

[Danny Kay]

That's their whole argument. The upside is so insane. Starting Anthony Richardson on your fantasy team is truly one of the worst feelings.

[Danny Hy]

Can I flip it on you? If he has three rushing touchdowns week one and he's on waivers, aren't you going to feel stupid?

[Danny Kay]

But then if you add him off waivers, do you start them?

[Danny Hy]

How are you going to get them off waivers?

[Danny Kay]

What do you mean?

[Danny Hy]

11 other people in your league, everyone's going to want him.

[Danny Kay]

Well, I don't want him. That's my point is that whoever then has to start him next week. He's going to have four picks, zero rushing touchdowns, and score four points.

[Danny Hy]

I'm sorry. For the guy who. That's even in the range of outcomes. Like, you're basically like, why would you want a guy who could score three touchdowns in one game on your team? That's stupid.

[Danny Kay]

He's just Russian roulette. So they trade him three or four times a year. He'll put up 30 points, but the other 12 games, he'll lose you your week.

[Claire Korbeck]

Russian roulette. That's kind of good.

[Danny Hy]

Rushing a. Rushing roulette. Holy shit. That is Anthony Richardson.

[Danny Kay]

Your mind is trapped in a bottle.

[Claire Korbeck]

Rushing roulette.

[Danny Hy]

Dude, that's good. Justin Fields and Richardson are rushing roulette.

[Claire Korbeck]

Oh, man, that's actually pretty. Justin Fields does look pretty good.

[Danny Kay]

Rushing roulette.

[Claire Korbeck]

No, I didn't think that, but I.

[Danny Hy]

Thought, no, but that's great.

[Danny Kay]

Anyway, isn't that how they came up with the name Spotify. Wasn't it that Daniel Ek. Misheard, Right? Something like that, friend. And he was like, did you say Spotify? And he was like, no. And he was like, all right, Spotify.

[Danny Hy]

Where did he ask? Daniel.

[Danny Kay]

He's here. Come on in.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

Russian roulette. Rushing in and with like a apostrophe.

[Danny Hy]

No, they.

[Claire Korbeck]

Russian.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, yeah, that's actually. That's actually really good. Okay. You're like.

[Danny Kay]

Okay, no, no, I get it.

[Danny Hy]

Don't spike the football too much there. Okay. All right.

[Danny Kay]

Wait, wait, wait. Russian.

[Claire Korbeck]

Hold on, let me write it down.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, my God. Oh, actually, no, do write it down. We're going to.

[Claire Korbeck]

I'm going to write it down for you.

[Danny Hy]

The Browns named Joe Flacco the starter, which, I mean.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, I'm actually excited about that.

[Danny Hy]

I do want to. Just shut up. That's so weird.

[Claire Korbeck]

Craig, look, you're just.

[Danny Hy]

No, no. You're just excited because he's your age. He's playing football.

[Danny Kay]

Turn that around.

[Claire Korbeck]

Russian.

[Danny Hy]

Where's the camera? They're not going to be able to. This is so embarrassing.

[Danny Kay]

He just typed out in the words Russian in big.

[Danny Hy]

Did you think when you said Russian with an apostrophe, we didn't get it? Is that what.

[Claire Korbeck]

You didn't get it the first time?

[Danny Kay]

No, I got it the second you said.

[Danny Hy]

Why did you. Whatever, man.

[Claire Korbeck]

Okay, fine.

[Danny Kay]

No, that is good, though.

[Danny Hy]

No, it's great. It's great stuff.

[Danny Kay]

Flacco, the starter, week one.

[Claire Korbeck]

Flacco. Flacco, the starter for the Browns make zero sense from a. Like, a football strategy point of view, because who cares why they're. They're gonna try and win, like, three.

[Danny Kay]

Games.

[Danny Hy]

To be competitive.

[Danny Kay]

Wait until you feel like either Shador or Dylan Gabriel's ready.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it's like, okay, fine. Dylan Gabriel's a.

[Danny Kay]

You're not trying to win the super bowl right now. You're trying to build something.

[Claire Korbeck]

Why are we starting, Joe?

[Danny Hy]

I actually. I think that's crazy.

[Danny Kay]

You don't want to throw them to the wolves and just ruin him.

[Danny Hy]

I genuinely. I think this is a huge blind spot for you because you realize that what happened with the Seahawks. Russell Wilson, third round pick starting from week one. That's like big, borderline unprecedented in the history of the NFL for that to work. I don't know if there's two other examples in 50 years of a third round pick starting week one in his career working out. Like, you want him to, like, work at the NFL. Dylan Gabriel looked good in the preseason.

[Danny Kay]

Fourth and fifth rounders.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Dylan Gabriel worked well. He. He played well in the preseason games.

[Danny Kay]

Starting him because he was.

[Danny Hy]

I know. It's fucking crazy. That's, like, classic what someone says about another team that's not a fan of their team. That's like. Anyway, I think it's fucking pointless to.

[Claire Korbeck]

Start Joe Flacco, but I'm still for it.

[Danny Kay]

You just. You need to give time for Shador and Dylan Gabriel to, like, prepare for NFL.

[Danny Hy]

Who do you think gives them a better chance to win in week one?

[Claire Korbeck]

Remember, we had this.

[Danny Hy]

This.

[Claire Korbeck]

This is a terrible comparison because, like, Herbert's actually good. But remember when they were like, tyrod Taylor's gonna be our starter. We're not putting Herbert in for, like, way too long.

[Danny Kay]

He was the stage, an accident.

[Claire Korbeck]

Nobody thought he was really that good at the time.

[Danny Hy]

Remember, the Giants would have taken him number one the previous year. They were mad he didn't. He went back to school. The Giants wanted to take him again, though.

[Danny Kay]

First, he was the fifth overall pick.

[Danny Hy]

I know.

[Danny Kay]

Dylan Gabriel also gave me 5 foot 10 on a good day.

[Danny Hy]

Third. Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

All right, fine.

[Danny Hy]

Sorry. We just screamed. No, I, like, capitulated. You should have stuck with it.

[Danny Kay]

Gabriel looked kind of good.

[Danny Hy]

He looked good, though. Yeah, you're right. Also, probably play.

[Danny Kay]

Little bit of aura.

[Danny Hy]

He looks good.

[Danny Kay]

Dean Gabes.

[Claire Korbeck]

Dylan Gabes.

[Danny Hy]

The other. The other thing I want to mention.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

Southpaw, actually.

[Danny Hy]

We would have three lefties in the NFL between two and Dylan Gabriel.

[Danny Kay]

What's the most we've ever had starting in a season?

[Claire Korbeck]

Probably I don't think there's ever been more than one.

[Danny Kay]

Never Michael Vick. Was anybody with him? Steve Young was it. Who's with him?

[Danny Hy]

I don't. I don't know if I. I really highly doubt we've ever. Lefties overlapping.

[Danny Kay]

Let me get Gemini on this left.

[Danny Hy]

Because coaches don't want lefty backups.

[Danny Kay]

Jamie, pull that up.

[Danny Hy]

Coaches don't want.

[Danny Kay]

Dude.

[Danny Hy]

Steve Young.

[Danny Kay]

Ironic. Got that.

[Danny Hy]

Steve Young was a Joe Rogan joke. Steve Young at byu. The coach converted him to safety because he didn't want to flip his playbook.

[Claire Korbeck]

When did Kellen Moore play? Because he's lefty. Did he even ever get on the field?

[Danny Kay]

I don't think he.

[Danny Hy]

Are we going to get caught up in this?

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Hold on.

[Danny Hy]

Okay.

[Danny Kay]

Most lefties, starting QBs.

[Danny Hy]

I mean, it actually will be simpler to just pull up a list of all lefties and just eyeball.

[Claire Korbeck]

Kellen Moore played in 2015, but Kelmore didn't play Gemini. He played in 2015, three games.

[Danny Kay]

Gemini says the most left handed starting quarterbacks in a single season is two. And it was two. And Penix.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, dude, I don't think there's been, there probably have been under 15 lefty quarterbacks like ever period to throw football. Because coaches wouldn't teach you. It's like they wouldn't teach you.

[Danny Kay]

Coach and hate me.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, there you go, Craig. Craig is lefty. The other thing with the Browns, so Quinshot Judkins, the running back Ohio State, who was drafted by the Browns really high in the second round. And so it turns out he's not going to be charged criminally for this alleged domestic violence incident that happened in July. And so that the criminal charges are dropped the same day this we find this out. The Cleveland signs Texas receiver Isaiah Bond, who was charged with charges related to an alleged sexual assault incident before the draft. And nobody drafted him. And it was to me just a banner day for the Cleveland Browns where I feel like they're like, you know, I know we gave Deshaun Watson a quarter of a billion dollars, but guaranteed they had a meeting. They're like, can we alienate the women more? Like we're not doing enough. Yeah, triple down. Really? Because they added three, you know, three guys now they got the trifecta. But.

[Danny Kay]

Well, they haven't signed Judkins and they didn't know about it when they drafted him.

[Danny Hy]

No, I know, I just wanted to give them. But they signed Isaiah Bond.

[Danny Kay]

I'm not defending them, but they went.

[Danny Hy]

Out of the way to add Isaiah Bond which I think is just so. Just actual housekeeping here on the Judkins thing. So law enforcement dropping the investigation, but.

[Danny Kay]

The NFL still investigates.

[Danny Hy]

So the standard for the like a criminal charge is beyond a reasonable doubt. The NFL is much closer to just like more likely than not 51%. And so now, yeah, the NFL investigation begins now that the criminal investigation has ended. So for football purposes this is still weird because the Browns haven't signed him to a contract because he was the last holdout from the whole second round pick thing where none of the second rounders after Jen Higgins signed so that he just didn't have a contract. This is all just a bunch of weird situations. So he's unsigned. So for him to contribute the season Quinch, John Jenkins needs to sign a contract with the Browns. Then the NFL has to not put him on the commissioners exempt list and they have to decide they have to end up not suspending him. And then even if he does all that, then you need him to overcome missing the entirety of literal training camp with the Browns and just trying to get on the description Mike Tom and a lot of people always use it. It's getting on a moving train for rookies. And if you miss enough time early, it's like we just got the odds of, I mean, I know the football, the most important part of all this, but like the odds of him contributing as a rookie feels, I mean, unlikely, frankly.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Hy]

So you just have a backfield here with Jerome Ford and Dylan Sampson.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right. And from a fantasy point of view, it's complicated because like you said, he's probably not going to play for the first month as he like gets up to speed and then, I mean, it's going to be suspended probably for a while. I don't know. It's a tough one.

[Danny Hy]

The other thing, I'll say not, you know, not to be on a moral high horse, but I will say there's a juxtaposition for me personally because I get, I'm just reiterating of all the players I've ever spoken to at the NFL combine, my favorite person I've ever talked to is Dylan Sampson, the other running back they drafted this year. I was like more impressed with his just maturity, outlook on life. Like, I just thought he was so even guild and impressive as a guy. And again, it's like a 10 minute conversation. You don't know anything about people. You don't actually get to know him that well. But it's funny that these are the two rookie options in this backfield. Now with the Judkin situation, I'm like, I really would love for Sampson to succeed. I feel like he was like a Kirkland brand Tony Pollard, but like him, him and Ford, you know, again, this offense is probably going to suck, but whatever. The other thing that happened was Rasheed Rice had a weird. This happened a while ago, but Craig was out. But Rasheed Rice, basically it feels like he's. So what's the deal exactly with this Craig?

[Danny Kay]

So they pushed his NFL disciplinary hearing until September 30, which means a decision on a potential suspension can't happen until after September 30th.

[Claire Korbeck]

Isn't it going to an arbitrator too?

[Danny Kay]

Yes, I think so. But essentially he's going to play the first month of the season. So if he does get suspended, there's a chance. It's like Week 6 to 12 because the NFL wanted to suspend him for 10 games, which is strange, which is a lot.

[Danny Hy]

But this hearing, being in the middle of the Season is odd. They usually try to do this the week of the week one.

[Danny Kay]

So just keep that in mind that there's a chance that you could have received Rice for the first four games of the season, then not for the middle six to eight, depending on where they land on the suspension, and then have him back for the fantasy playoffs.

[Danny Hy]

This is where fantasy gets weird and fucked up, where you're like, I'm going to draft Rasheed Rice because I'm going to try to arbitrage the uncertainty around his car crash that almost killed people.

[Danny Kay]

There is. There's a conspiracy out there, though, that. That the NFL is basically allowing Rasheed Rice to play for the Chief for the first month when.

[Claire Korbeck]

Because they have a harder schedule.

[Danny Kay]

They have a harder schedule. And also they have a. They have a lot of PrimeTime games. Week one, they. They play the Chargers in Brazil. Week two, they play the Eagles. Week three, they play the Giants on Sunday Night Football. And then week four, they play Lamar Jackson, the Ravens. And then week five, it's the Jags, and they're like, all right, he can go now.

[Danny Hy]

You know, it's funny. I think I would have, in past years totally dismissed that. And the older I get, I'm like, well, that's not right.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think it's dumb. I think it's dumb.

[Danny Hy]

It's probably wrong, but I hear, has.

[Claire Korbeck]

Rice risen to that level where he's like some indispensable player that you, like, have a good year.

[Danny Kay]

Chiefs being good is good for business.

[Claire Korbeck]

He is getting. There's an arbitrator. Okay. Come on.

[Danny Hy]

I really don't think I ever would have.

[Claire Korbeck]

People get so weird about the Chiefs.

[Danny Hy]

People do get weird.

[Claire Korbeck]

Here's the deal. They're taking this to an arbitrator, Sue L. Robinson, who has done this.

[Danny Kay]

Are you familiar with her work?

[Claire Korbeck]

She's done.

[Danny Hy]

She does all this before.

[Claire Korbeck]

And apparently I think the. The reading between the lines here is that NFL and the NFL PA could not agree on terms. Which means, again, reading between lines, the NFL wanted a big suspension.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

And the NFLPA was like, it's rumor.

[Danny Kay]

That they wanted a 10 or 12 game suspension, which sounds like a lot.

[Danny Hy]

But I got to tell you, it is a crazy miracle that Rashid Rice didn't kill anyone in this race. Like, if you watch the video, it's actually also, cars wear your seatbelts. It's crazy.

[Danny Kay]

What?

[Danny Hy]

You could survive. Wear a seatbelt. If you don't wear a seatbelt, you're crazy.

[Danny Kay]

But I agree with that. I'm pro seat belt hot.

[Danny Hy]

Take but it's insane that like he really could have killed someone.

[Danny Kay]

It's, you know, but also like on the grand scale of things that people have been suspended for and how long they're suspended, him getting 10 to 12 games for this compared to what other people have received for what they did.

[Danny Hy]

Is out of whack, dude. I'm not going to sit here and defend the NFL's adjudication process, all right? We also have to do a bunch of injuries that have happened over the last week and we have to frankly kind of sit here and hash out what we want to do with certain players in our rankings. But first, football is almost here, which means it is time to start thinking about how the season will end. That is why FanDuel created a whole new holiday Futures Day happening on Tuesday, August 26th. It's 24 hours of deals on your season long picks, a day when you decide who will win the division, take home the MVP or take the whole thing for one day only. All customers get an instant bonus on any football futures bet, plus flash deals every three hours that you won't want to miss. So mark your calendars because the greatest day in futures history is coming August 26th. What are you doing for Futures Day? Visit the FanDuel app to learn more and get your picks ready. FanDuel play. Your game must be 21 plus in present in select states or 18 plus in present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. This episode is brought to you by Yahoo. Fantasy. Yahoo Fantasy is the best place to play fantasy football this season. Yahoo. Fantasy is dropping 28 big new features over 28 days throughout August. They just dropped Yahoo. Fantasy Guillotine Leagues, a killer new way to play on Yahoo. Where the lowest scoring team gets eliminated weekly until one is left standing. Give this new mode a try or stick with classics and private head to head leagues or public leagues played today@yahoo. Fantasy.com theringer this episode is brought to you by Wayfair. Your home is more than a space. It's where you express yourself. Like we've all got our setup for when the guys are over, right? So my thing when when when everyone's just around watching a game, watching a movie, whatever is I, I go for I want a corner couch. If it's a L shaped couch, I want the corner. That to me is like I don't know if it's the alpha spot. But I'm like, I. That's where I. That's like the Nestle. That's the cozy. That's where I want to be. And if that's not available, any kind of, like, single chair, like, where I'm not on the couch. Like, if it rocks. Unbelievable. Recliner. I'm in heaven. Recliner cup holder, full leg extension. Like, that is the dream. Because you can kind of get up whenever, but you're laying back. It's the best of every world. Like, that's the goal to me. So. However, whatever your vibe, Wayfair has every style for every home. They've got all your home essentials, storage solutions, decor, and more all in one place. I use Wayfair. So Jackie and I, we got a rug. And I'm not going to lie, I realized that Big Lebowski, they were right, like, the right room. The right rug really does bring the whole room together. It's so nice to walk on. I just. It's the nicest rug I've ever owned. And I didn't realize how much that would bring me joy. Maybe I'm just getting older in life, but I didn't realize that a really, really, really nice area rug just would bring me a ton of joy. But it does get inspired with room ideas and easy to shop collections, all with everyday ways to save. Shop everything [e-mail] with free and easy delivery straight to your door. That's W A Y F A I R.com Wayfair Every style, every home. Discover Ralph's Club New York. The new fragrance by Ralph Lauren with black currant, vanilla and sandalwood. This scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like the city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York Ralph Lauren shop now@macy's.com Discover Ralph's Club New York. The new fragrance by Ralph Lauren. With black currant, vanilla and sandalwood, this scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like the city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York Ralph Lauren shop now@macy's.com.

[Danny Kay]

Okay, all right, let's get to some injuries here. I want to focus in on Matt Stafford, who we talked a little bit about a couple weeks ago, and I. I was a little nervous. You guys shook it off a little bit about Matthew Stafford's back injury, where he was receiving epidurals, which is what they give women who are giving birth a Little bit of a red flag. He practiced for the first time today, much like jelly. We were kind of like, where is Stafford?

[Danny Hy]

Matt Stafford is jelly. Like we haven't knowing proof of life. I don't know if Matt Stafford's alive. Like he. Maybe he, you know, maybe it's been six months since anyone's laid eyes on him.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. So Stafford spent time in a restorative and rejuvenation chain chamber parked next to the Rams practice field. Have you seen it? Have you seen the. He's like the giant air.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's like the accountant. He's just living in this Airstream now.

[Danny Kay]

The auditors here know what he's doing in there. What is he doing in there? How do you guys feel about Matthew Stafford right now?

[Claire Korbeck]

And he practiced today.

[Danny Kay]

And the trickle down effect of Puka Nuku and Devonte Adams, Kyro Williams, everything going on.

[Claire Korbeck]

Got to tell you, not interested in Puka and Devonte right now.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, I've felt this way since the beginning. Drafting Puka Nukua is like hitting a two leg parlay, right? If he has a good season, it's because somehow Matthew Stafford's back held up for 17 games. And Puka Nukua didn't like get hit by a car like Happy Gilmore did on the golf course. That will happen to Pukanuku in like weeks six.

[Claire Korbeck]

Screw that. I gotta play. What would I know?

[Danny Kay]

I'm just a doctor.

[Danny Hy]

I'm just a doctor.

[Danny Kay]

British.

[Danny Hy]

One of the things we like resolved at the end of last season was just like, Pukinakua has no sense of self preservation. Every time. He's never ever once preserved his health going down.

[Claire Korbeck]

I'm going to say every time he.

[Danny Kay]

Catches a pass, I'm like, puka, look out, look out.

[Claire Korbeck]

She like goes like this too. Like when she says it.

[Danny Hy]

Oh my God.

[Danny Kay]

And then they killed her in the. In the sequel.

[Claire Korbeck]

Unbelievable.

[Danny Kay]

They should have heard.

[Claire Korbeck]

When I saw that part of the video movie, I was just like, okay.

[Danny Kay]

I think spongebob, like, I'm ahead.

[Danny Hy]

The Stafford thing is one of those where when I'm not thinking about it, my attitude is Matt Stafford is always hurt. He is honestly one of the single toughest players in sports, period. He plays through any. He won't tell anyone he's hurt. He wasn't. He won't even be. I genuinely think he's not even honest with the teams he plays for about how hard he is. He's a tough motherfucker. He's going to play. Then like every time Sean McVay opens his mouth. I feel worse. And I mean, literally every single thing Sean McVay has said about this since July 24th has made me. When he's.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's gonna be running or maybe walking.

[Danny Hy]

Like Sean, some of the things he said is like, he looked good walking around today.

[Danny Kay]

I saw him walking to breakfast.

[Claire Korbeck]

Like, should have seen him get out of bed.

[Danny Hy]

Someone asked if it was related to an injury he had a couple years ago, and Sean McVeigh said, this injury is not related to what Stafford went through a couple years ago after the Saints game. It's totally different.

[Danny Kay]

Great.

[Danny Hy]

And I'm like, great, awesome.

[Claire Korbeck]

Sean McVay's like, he had to get. He had to get one of those chairs that sort of just like slowly ejects you.

[Danny Kay]

You know, the things that take you up stairs.

[Claire Korbeck]

My grandparents had one of those. Just like, very, very slowly, sideways up the stairs.

[Danny Hy]

Dude. Sean McVeigh, they asked him, is the back injury a functional thing or a pain tolerance thing? And he's like, yeah, it's probably both. You know, the aggravated disc. He's like, we're trying to get our hands around this. You know, he's like, I don't really have much more information other than we're trying to get some different things that are hopefully going to be in alignment with getting him back out on the field. Dude, I'm like, McVeigh gave an update that was like, like, wrong with the timeline. I don't know if it pissed off Stafford or the Training staff for McVeigh had bad information. He said something, trying to be honest about it the first week of camp got it wrong. And then literally was like, I should have phrased it very differently. And everything he said since then has been so bad. And I just. I am thinking it's like, on one hand, the upside to me is obvious where this. If Stafford's healthy, puka. Devonte Adams. McVeigh, like, McVeigh is like our Bill Walsh. Devonte Adams is not washed. This offense, the ceiling is crazy. They could, like, make this a. It is worth remembering that while Stetson Bennett played well in the preseason, Jimmy Garoppolo is the backup here. Number two. Number three is. They did try to, like, not guarantee Matt Stafford's contract beyond this year leading to potential.

[Danny Kay]

Is that the whole thing? Like, well, they almost did him because they didn't want to give him long term deals.

[Danny Hy]

They didn't trust he could play.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And then Stafford called their bluff and they're like, well, he's too good to get rid of number Four. Let's say Stafford misses game. Jimmy Garoppolo's there. Devonte Adams requested a trade from the Raiders because of Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Claire Korbeck]

He literally is on Lose My Life.

[Danny Hy]

On the Netflix Receivers episode of like, that guy.

[Danny Kay]

Get out of here.

[Danny Hy]

Devonte's like, I'm going to lose my life, bro.

[Claire Korbeck]

The wording of that is so good.

[Danny Hy]

I'm going to lose my life playing for Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Danny Kay]

So the vibe shift at practice.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

Hey, Jimmy.

[Danny Hy]

How could it not be weird? I just. The vibe shift of, like, did he really say that?

[Claire Korbeck]

I'm going to.

[Danny Hy]

Was it.

[Danny Kay]

Was it that exact phrase?

[Danny Hy]

Dude. Marin Feder wrote a story for The Ringer. The Ringer.com. about how he wanted to get off. He didn't want to play with Jimmy. Like, he didn't feel safe. Do you know how hard it has to be for an NFL player to be like, I don't feel safe on the field. Dangerous. That has to be.

[Claire Korbeck]

This is the quote. I got to get the fuck out of here before I lose my fucking life.

[Danny Hy]

So I was underplaying before I lose. So it is worth quoting. That is literally the backup. Which again, you can't tell me that he's just over that. Like, he's 33. Like his.

[Claire Korbeck]

Like, yeah, absolutely.

[Danny Hy]

He's trying to win a. Devontae has never won a Super Bowl. He is also trying to get another. Like, he wants another payday. He just got it. But like, devonte wants to be an all time great. You cannot tell me this is just going to be like, okay. If Jimmy G. Just so. I'm just saying.

[Claire Korbeck]

Stetson Bennett's been balling out the preseason.

[Danny Hy]

I know. Maybe I'll settle down. Yeah, Please.

[Claire Korbeck]

Jackson dart guy.

[Danny Hy]

But the point being. Oh, get the fuck. How dare you, sir.

[Claire Korbeck]

Stetson Bennett wanted. He won a national title.

[Danny Hy]

He was old enough. He wasn't eligible for. He couldn't get on Cobalt anything.

[Danny Kay]

Why did I.

[Claire Korbeck]

How am I suddenly a Stetson Bennett defender? I did. I backed myself into this corner.

[Danny Kay]

Will Howard won a national championship. You in on him?

[Claire Korbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Hy]

He's a nice guy. I will.

[Claire Korbeck]

So all that nice firm handshake.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Look me in the eye.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. He's nice.

[Danny Kay]

Said. Nice to meet you, son.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Good.

[Claire Korbeck]

Nice young gentleman.

[Danny Hy]

I love that. We're just saps for anyone we've ever met. I was like four people.

[Danny Kay]

The. We walked by Kirk Cousins once. We were like, Kirk. Not that.

[Claire Korbeck]

Not that big.

[Danny Hy]

That was you guys.

[Danny Kay]

I didn't see him in Arizona.

[Claire Korbeck]

He wasn't really.

[Danny Hy]

We were on the plane with Sam Darnold. Not that big.

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean yeah, he's kind of like.

[Danny Hy]

Normal silence boarding the plane he bought. He had good etiquette boarding the plane. He was in coach.

[Danny Kay]

I was on the plane with Rome and Caleb.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right?

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Going to the.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, that's right. What the hell happened there?

[Danny Kay]

What do you mean?

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean not a great rookie year.

[Danny Hy]

It's funny to be on plane with Roman Dunesay because Roman Dunes then at the combine was like I couldn't fly a plane. Everyone on board would die. So you know, which is probably pretty.

[Danny Kay]

Is that the most obvious take of all time.

[Danny Hy]

But if male neighbor but a receiver can't have like normal confidence receiver needs like outlandish preposterous confidence like you I Malik neighbors I guarantee is like, yeah, I'd land the plan. He's wrong but it doesn't matter. Like the point is he wanted to believe he can anyway. So I actually do agree that I think that on if you're playing this in an Excel spreadsheet, Puka Kua to me could win the triple crown this year because this offense could be crazy. Devonte and him could both have a year where it's like they're both like 2019 bucks like Godwin and Evans both top five. However in reality I'm like betting on a 38 year old quarterback still back that the head coach literally is like I don't know.

[Claire Korbeck]

And also he's in an Airstream.

[Danny Hy]

I feel pretty cool.

[Claire Korbeck]

What are we doing in there, Matt.

[Danny Hy]

Stafford's not being honest with them either.

[Danny Kay]

Matt, he's got to be like Larry Bird, like laying flat on the ground when the defense is on the field.

[Danny Hy]

And so to your point, I do think we should probably move him down for Stafford and unfortunately Devonte, which I really wanted to be in on Devonte this year. But it does feel like at some point in the top of the draft you do want to avoid landmines. And the Rams do feel a little landminey considering Devonte Adams went on a reality show and said I hate Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Danny Kay]

It could blow up.

[Danny Hy]

It could blow up.

[Danny Kay]

It could blow up.

[Danny Hy]

But it could be great. So possibly highest ceiling floor variance in the league.

[Danny Kay]

Do you think Puka should still be in the tier with Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Aman Rah, Malik, neighbors, Brian?

[Danny Hy]

Yes. But he's just at the bottom of it because like the ceiling is higher. Is just as high as all those guys. Okay. The other quarterback that got hurt, I want to mention Is Jordan Love, which this matters and doesn't. So he had surgery or procedure or whatever on a thumb ligament in his hand, but it's his left hand. Yeah, it's his non throwing hand, so it kind of doesn't matter. However, what matters is it's not really a big deal. I think the larger deal is every receiver on the packers except the rookie. Matthew golden is an injured, like literally, if you go down the list. Jaden Reed has a foot sprain and was in a boot.

[Claire Korbeck]

He just had surgery too, I think.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. And it's separate from his toe issue, which is separate from the ankle issue injury had last year. Christian Watson's returning from acl. I'm like, maybe he's back around Christmas. Maybe Don Tavian Wicks is a calf issue. Romeo Dubs has a back issue. Savion Williams, the third round guy, the quarter L. Patterson, tcu like gadget type receiver they drafted has a shoulder issue, then got concussed and then hurt his shoulder more. So like it's weird because on one hand all these guys are expected back for week one, except obviously Christian Watson and Savion Williams. But the flip side is they're all hurt. So I don't know where. I love Jaden Reed, but I feel like I again, I'm like, why given the chance, would you draft a receiver who's gonna have a foot. Foot issue all year? I'm like, I just don't want that. And I know I'm just a broken record, but I just think Matthew golden, the rookie is. Is just an absolute smash player this year.

[Claire Korbeck]

It's looking really good for him right now.

[Danny Kay]

He needs to be significantly moved up. Right now we have him below Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed is like basically going in the ninth round. Matthew golden is going in the 10th round. I think now straight up, Matthew golden should be the highest ranked receiver in the basketball easily.

[Danny Hy]

I think Golden's right there with like Ricky Parasol as these guys that could like going in, you know, the six or like the seventh round that next year might be going in the third or fourth round. Like these are guys that might be your like a really great number two receiver for you next season. And I just, yeah, I'm really in on them.

[Danny Kay]

I agree.

[Danny Hy]

Other team, I don't know what to do with. Khalil Shakir in the Bills.

[Claire Korbeck]

He has a high ankle sprain.

[Danny Hy]

So Josh Allen's our number one quarterback. He's everyone's number one quarterback, so. And now his number one guy is a high ankle sprain. So we don't have, we don't really have any of Josh Allen's pass catchers in the top 100.

[Claire Korbeck]

Josh Palmer, Keon Coleman.

[Danny Hy]

I actually think we have to move Palmer up.

[Danny Kay]

I mean, yeah, we have to move him up for sure. We have to move Coleman up probably a little bit. I guess everybody should be moved up a little bit. The problem is is we don't know who it's going to be, if it's going to be anybody because it's going.

[Claire Korbeck]

To be someone different every year.

[Danny Kay]

Well, last year it was nobody and Josh Allen was the best quarterback in fantasy.

[Danny Hy]

So I like Khalil Shakir but I mean high ankle sprain sometimes I'm weird about reporting it but if it's really a high ankle sprain again when it's bad and there's different severities but if it's bad like Michael Thomas's career ended because he mishandled the high ankle sprain, like Odell Beckham's career was never the same as her high ankle sprain. Like it's a worse injury than it sounds. I just don't want a guy with a Hinkle sprain.

[Danny Kay]

No. And currently there is no Bills player outside of. No Bills pass catcher outside of. Oh, I'm sorry, there is no Bill's pass catcher we have going in the top 10 rounds.

[Danny Hy]

But I, but here's the thing. I think that's all right because the Bills literally the redesigned the run game and their whole offense to just be about we're going to throw it to his open but there is no alpha like when they got rid of Diggs. The whole thing was going to be this offense is about Josh and him.

[Claire Korbeck]

Distributing it and just matchups week to.

[Danny Hy]

Weekend and it's not predictable. Like it's not predictable. It's like what we say about the packers where ironically I think Matthew golden is going to be predictable now but just the Bills are going to be an enigma and they don't have a vision for like this guy's going to get fed. It's not like the Vikings are going to throw to Justin Jefferson every week and I just, I think it's okay to just not have any receivers in the Bills and that's okay.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, I still, if you're going to make a bet, I would still bet on Keon Coleman who like had moments last year. I think again when Keon Coleman played last year he was the most targeted receiver went on the field with the Bills.

[Claire Korbeck]

He'll get a lot of end zone targets as well. I think.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Josh Palmer just went off?

[Danny Hy]

I actually think we need to move him up. We need to move him up because he's a professional player. Like, there are certain times, like the floor because Matt Collins left Buffalo for New England and there are times when teams really need it, especially contending teams. Like, this is actually always my advice for like college kids going to the pros, like in like, not like football. I said that pro is really weird. I meant college kids going to like the workforce.

[Danny Kay]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

And they're like looking for a job. And I'm like, the most underrated thing is competency. Like they don't actually need you to be great if you're 22. Like, you just need to be competent. Kind of the same with rookies, honestly, where they're like. Like one of the issues with Luther Burden for the Bears is like, do you know where to line up? Do you know when to motion? He looked like, yeah, but I do think that Josh Palmer knows what to do. Like he's competent and at some point he will play like for the best offense.

[Danny Kay]

I just know he's going to be making crucial third down plays in the playoffs. You know what I mean?

[Claire Korbeck]

Who, Luther Burton?

[Danny Kay]

No, Josh Palmer. Hopefully Luther Burton.

[Claire Korbeck]

Did you hear what Greg Olson said about him?

[Danny Kay]

No, he, I think.

[Claire Korbeck]

And he might have let this slip. He might not have. He wasn't maybe supposed to say this or whatever, but he was talking to I think the GM Ryan Poles and he said on the broadcast that Polls thinks Burden could be better than Rome or DJ.

[Danny Kay]

100%.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

He's like, Ryan Polls traded the 32nd pick in the draft for fucking Chase Claypool.

[Claire Korbeck]

Fair point. Fair.

[Danny Hy]

He just likes athletic people who are five star recruits. I can just sort by filter by that in college football. 25. I don't.

[Danny Kay]

Well, all he needs is a 50% success rate then out of Claypool and Luther Burden for one of those to hit. And the odds are with him now.

[Danny Hy]

All right, Craig Taste other injured players.

[Danny Kay]

Well, I think we just got to talk about the Niners a little bit and what we want to do with that. I mean, Brandon Ayuk is going to start the season on pup. Going to miss at least four weeks. Could be more. We have Juwan Jennings who is still dealing with a calf injury. We don't exactly know.

[Danny Hy]

We don't know if it's a calf or just a. I want more money.

[Danny Kay]

So we don't really know what's going on with that. And then we have Ricky Pearsall, who has been healthy for the last few weeks, who I think should be the top player drafted outside of George Kittle on the Niners.

[Danny Hy]

I agree.

[Danny Kay]

And I think he's honestly one of like, the biggest Steel's best values right now in drafts is Pearsall. I mean, right now we have him as an 8th rounder. I think that's like, as low as he should go. You could talk me into six, seven, eighth round.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I do stick with what I said last time we were together, which was, I do think for receivers and running backs, white skill players, no one wants to believe it till they see it. And I do actually think Ricky Pearsall was, for a variety of reasons, underrated in college because he was a transfer. He was an older prospect and there's like huge biases against, I mean, obviously white receivers. But also just being an old prospect is kind of an ick. Like, it's just. You're immediately an outlier. But it's also the beginning of the transfer portal era. I think that's going to change. And so I think that we will look back and be like, it's okay if you, like, get great later. But Parasol just has all these really. He's a really talented thing at all the things that are hard to quantify at the receiver position with like ball tracking and placement, route running nuance and. You know who was a receiver in college? Kyle Shanahan. Like, Kyle Shanahan likes him. And the other thing is C.J. stroud did a live stream with Mike Renner for Bleach Report during that draft. And the only, like, you know, Stroud actually was, like, weirdly honest. It was in his podcast era. And when Ricky Pearsall was drafted, the Niners, Stroud was like, damn, I wanted him. He was like, mad. He was like, dude, this guy's going to be so good. And he just, like, did a great breakdown. And like, I don't know when Kyle Shannon, C.J. stroud and like, so many people I really trust and respect, like, he's great. And then he, like, gets shot and like, I don't. His rookie season, just a wash. This is a great player on a lead offense for Kyle Shannon, who's been turning random people into stars for, like, at this point, we're coming up on 15 years. Ricky Pearsall is on the list for me of my A list guys of what? Matthew Golden, Tyler Warren, the Titan for the Colts, and Ricky Piercel, just crazy talent who for really weird circumstances is underrated. But like everything about the situation lines up and he's like, he just should be more expensive than this.

[Danny Kay]

I agree. And it's. Even though he got shot last year and kind of got had a slow start, he kind of finished the season pretty strong.

[Claire Korbeck]

There are like, he's like their number one guy for.

[Danny Kay]

He led the 49ers in yards per run. Verse man, last year just straight up, he had three.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think he had three of the first four catches for the 49ers or maybe the first three catches for the 49ers in their preseason game. I'm just looking at this box score. Robbie chosen five catches, dude, two yards.

[Danny Hy]

They don't have choice either. I really chose it. I really do think it's as simple as its overlapping biases. And I'm half joking with the white thing, but I'm not because he's an older receiver which you didn't like. We didn't like that he transferred. We didn't like that the floor. But the Florida situation was weird and like everything about it was weird and I just. And again, most rookie years, we just don't know what to do with it.

[Claire Korbeck]

Purdy really seems to trust him too, which is huge.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, it's like, man, it's just going to be Juwan Jennings and Ricky Pierce hall and George Kittle. But this Niners team has a really easy schedule. Again, the season last year was a disaster, but they were not that they were second in yards in a play last year.

[Danny Hy]

And also the other thing. And again Brandon Ayuk, maybe he's back week four, week six, but when he's back, he's not going to be Brandon Iuk. Like there is a gap when you come return where you know, you can walk around, you can jog on a treadmill, but if you want to perform at the 100th percentile athleticism that's required to win on not just run a route on an NFL field, but win and beat a cornerback which are like the best athletes in America. You. Your brain doesn't throttles you down. Like it doesn't let you get there for a period of time. So IUK is just. I just think he's going to be the third best receiver on this team for this for the season. And so yeah, similar person as Chris Godwin for the Bucks who dislocated his ankle. And it's actually super similar to me at Tampa Bay where it's like Mike Evans is Mike Evans and I just think Amoka buk you guys on rewatchables Always joke about, like, market corrected to Mecca. Buck is totally market correcting Chris Godwin this year.

[Danny Kay]

They're going right around in our rankings. Are basically back to back in the 10th round. I don't know if there's a situation where I'm taking Godwin over a book.

[Claire Korbeck]

No, no, not now. Certainly not now. We need to look at incredible in the preseason too.

[Danny Hy]

Ibuka to me, should be in that same range.

[Danny Kay]

Everything out of camp is just that he is immediately stepped in and been a professional and looks great.

[Danny Hy]

And that's the trio of guys that I feel like I'll be doing great of. Like Matt, like in the 70th overall to 80th overall, which you can divide that by 10 or 12, depending how big your league is and what round that is. But basically, Matthew Golden, Buka for the Bucks and Ricky Parasol. Those are guys where I'm like, if I get one of those guys in my bench spot or like, if you want to go like two running backs, elite quarterback, elite tight end, and then like, that's your second. Like, you are cooking. I think if you are able to add multiple of those three guys, because that's the range of guys I want, like, breakouts that for whatever reason are kind of flying under the radar. Dk what? Anything else on the Bucks or a book is just like this start. He's like, Hansley, so hot right now.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah. I think it's feeling like a lost season for Godwin. He might still play, you know, in the second half or whatever.

[Danny Kay]

But it feels like the rookies are hotter than they've ever been this year. It feels like the value that used to, like, the whole, like, oh, the. You know, the secret trick to win your fantasy league is like, draft the rookie wide receiver, sit them on. Everyone is saying that. Everybody knows it. These guys are getting inflated with their. With their ranking.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kay]

It like no longer feels like Matthew golden or Abuka are values. It's like, yeah, we are projecting a lot for them and you have to.

[Danny Hy]

Pay for depends on your platform. The biggest advice. I have a column going up the ringer today about like, just how to win your league. And I do think the simplest thing you can do is just have other rankings up. We have our rankings@fantasy football.the ringer.com but again, everyone's looking at the same rankings. And so the easiest thing you can do is just not. Because, like, if you're just anchored to those. If you're looking at Buck Irving and it says expert rank 44, there's just like a little section, you're gonna think about 44. And so just having oh, ESPN isn't high and that's not what they have in ranked. But the point being a good example of this is Matthew golden on, on ESPN he's ranked 78th and on Yahoo, he's 102nd. That's Matthew golden for the Packers. And so it's like that's a huge difference. But ESPN is Ricky Piercel like three rounds after Yahoo. So just being aware of that, if you have a target, where is he on your platform? Is he gettable? So like that that's the difference between reaching. So if you reach your Matthew golden on Yahoo. Around earlier, that's like around later than he goes in esp. So like it's actually a value. So that's just something to be aware of as you go. All these names, I know it's hard sometimes to names. Where do you take them? Just literally look up where the difference is in average draft position. A couple other injury stuff that happened. TK I have no idea what's going on with Devon Hn in Miami or Tyreek Hill. What's going on.

[Claire Korbeck]

So Devon Achan, soft tissue, lower body injury. So I think it's very purposely vague. We don't really know exactly what's going on. And then Mike McDaniel said week days. It's days and week. It's between days and weeks when he's going to come back. So that's obviously like he says, he's confident.

[Danny Kay]

Days to weeks.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, McDaniel's a troll.

[Danny Kay]

He's getting pretty hard to ultimate the.

[Danny Hy]

McDaniel shtick when you're winning is cool. Wow, what a different independent thinker. Independent thinking when you're losing is.

[Claire Korbeck]

Riddles to us. But he said he's confident that he'll be back for week one, but I don't know if I trust that necessarily. I think it's kind of a mess right now. And then so to complicate that even further, and I haven't even gotten to Tyreek Hill yet, but to complicate that further right now, Jalen Wright is the. Is ostensibly the backup, I think in Miami.

[Danny Hy]

He's the Raheem Moster clone out of Tennessee.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Hy]

They drafted last year, right?

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah. And however, he has not looked good whatsoever in the preseason games. And Ollie Gordon, another rookie this year has looked great. I thought he's like shown a lot of explosiveness, toughness, like running between the tackles, like breaking a lot of tackles. So I don't know. I. I The what do we do about this? I think you still take hn. He probably moved down. He's moved down now. I think a little bit down.

[Danny Hy]

But that's another parlay where it's like if he's hurt. So you're already parlaying any Dolphins.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And then a chance hurt and you're like, oh, so he's a small guy.

[Claire Korbeck]

Just a super high variance, probably fantasy option. And then so like I guess who is the handcuff to him? I don't know if it's clear right now. Jalen Wright. I don't. I don't think he's looked very good at all in the preseason. And Ollie Gordon is a rookie, so maybe they don't trust him right away. But I think it's a complicated situation. Hopefully Hn can kind of come back before week one, so we kind of know what's going on.

[Danny Kay]

Here's the real question about Miami is, is Devon hn? We kind of know the volatility that he brings with to the whole thing. The upside, Tyree Kill has this oblique injury. We don't know a lot about that. He's had a bizarre off season. He's kind of lower now than he's ever been. He's like a third rounder now, but he's banged up. Devon Hn's banged up to his healthy. Jalen Waddle is just sitting there.

[Claire Korbeck]

Oh, yeah, Jalen Waddle is sitting there.

[Danny Kay]

He's. He's going in the fifth, sixth round. He's 52nd overall in our rankings.

[Claire Korbeck]

Forgot about Jalen.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, we forgot about Jayden Waddle. What should we do? Is it time to buy back in?

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean, I was never out. I always love Jalen Waddle.

[Danny Kay]

We have ignored him for this long because we hate him. However, it is kind of. It's screaming at me that this is an obvious good selection at 52nd overall next to DK Metcalf or Rasheed Rice or Tony Pollard or David Montgomery. That Jalen Waddle, if Tyree Kill misses any time, is Jalen Waddle.

[Claire Korbeck]

1600 yards this year have a 35% target rate. There's no John who Smith fifth. If H, especially if Hn's out, it.

[Danny Hy]

Would be Jalen Waddle and it'll be like Malik Washington receivers. I honestly it. You're probably right. Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

But it might be right.

[Danny Hy]

You're probably right. I hate to say it, but you're right again. Like 80 of the my Miami concentrates more of their passing game to their top three guys. Hill, Waddle and Hn than like, any like.

[Danny Kay]

And the other two are injured. I mean, so right now. Okay, let me ask you this. We have.

[Danny Hy]

This is like the part in the movie where you're looking like. Everyone listening right now is like, no, don't do it.

[Danny Kay]

Why are you like, yeah, we should go in the house. I think I heard a noise in the shed. I'm gonna go check it out.

[Claire Korbeck]

Go by yourself, though.

[Danny Kay]

Look, right now we have Jalen Waddle, 10 picks behind Terry McLaurin. Marvin Harrison Jr. Devonte Adams. Is that right?

[Danny Hy]

You're right. We should move him up.

[Danny Kay]

Is that right?

[Danny Hy]

This is also that. This is the end. He's like, we're not splitting up. This ain't Scooby Doo.

[Danny Kay]

I don't know.

[Danny Hy]

Jalen Waddle. Yeah, fuck it. We'll move. Jill, you're right. I think that. Well, that receiver break, that's. We haven't talked about this much, but to me, there's a. A weird receiver tier break where there's a top. I forget the exact number called 13 guys. Tyreek Hill really is, to me, the 13th guy. It's weird. Then there's like a subgroup of like, Mike Evans, Terry McLaurin, you know, like, guys that are good. Marvin Harrison Jr. Guys that we can. Mike. Are you going to bet against Mike Evans again? Probably not. You trust him? Marvin Harrison, Jr. Garrett Wilson. And then there's like this flattening of like DK Metcalf as like the 18th receiver or whatever, all the way to Calvin, really at like 31st or whatever. And, like, you could just take anyone. I would that the order of those. I would be so unsurprised if any of those guys finished in any order whatsoever. And I. You could kind of convince me that. You know what I mean? And so I don't care. Like, to me, it's like a, like a 15 receiver tier.

[Claire Korbeck]

Would you rather have, like, maybe. You mentioned this already. Sorry, Terry Mc. Terry McLaren or Waddle right now?

[Danny Hy]

All right. This is so funny because McLaurin's such a lovable, wonderful story, but I will.

[Claire Korbeck]

Say he was like, highly dependent on.

[Danny Kay]

He is the negative regression.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Hy]

And. Which is priced in, which is a weird thing because it's like, priced in. But I think the reason McLaurin is ranked where he's ranked is basically that even in the season where everything went perfectly and again, he tied the Washington record for the most time he was 10 wide receiver last year.

[Danny Kay]

I don't think he was well, because.

[Danny Hy]

Well, he had 13 touchdowns, but he only had like A thousand and eight yards. Like, he barely. He didn't only have a thousand something yards. And so then you add Debo Samuel and you're like, okay, what if Jaden Daniels, what if they don't go 87% on fourth down again? Like, what if he doesn't hit Terry McLaurin for like seven different teardrop, beautiful touchdown passes? Because if he has merely eight touchdowns, that's still a good season for Terry. But like he's probably not hitting 12. Like, what does it have to happen from 1300 yards now that Debo's there? Like, it's probably just harder. That's the. But having said that, Terry McLaurin and Washington such more fun offense. No offense to the Dolphins.

[Claire Korbeck]

Terry McLaurin was the wide receiver 15.

[Danny Kay]

In points per game.

[Danny Hy]

So that's why he's ranked where he's ranked.

[Claire Korbeck]

You know who the other one is. I think when we're talking about this and trying to figure out like sort of the hierarchy, I keep thinking I. Garrett Wilson. I don't think anyone has fallen more in terms of just the excitement level.

[Danny Kay]

I'm so out.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah, I love Garrett Wilson. And even I'm like, no, I don't think so.

[Danny Kay]

It's not Garrett Wilson's fault.

[Danny Hy]

No.

[Danny Kay]

If Justin Jefferson was on the jets instead of Garrett Wilson, I would also be dubious about him. And if Garrett Wilson was on the Vikings the last three years, he might have had Justin Jefferson, like seasons.

[Claire Korbeck]

So another like a 30% target rate over his career almost. It's like, it's like always high targets.

[Danny Kay]

Justin Fields passes to him this week. It's tough out there.

[Claire Korbeck]

I wanted it to be the first year that he actually had a, you know, 28% target rate and caught 70s whatever percent of his catches. So other it's not happening.

[Danny Hy]

A couple other injuries. I want to get to the Joe Mixon thing, which we've been on, but basically Joe Mixon's foot. We don't know exactly the deal, but for the most part I don't even know what Mixon is going to play this year. If he does, like, whatever's going on with his foot ankle situation is just seems not great. We don't know exactly what's going on, but I don't know when he will be available to play. So we just don't know who's going to be the running back for the Texans. I just think it's going to be Nick Chubb.

[Claire Korbeck]

I don't know ranked these people or Damian Pierce.

[Danny Hy]

Damian Pierce, who had a hamstring injury. He was also physically unable to perform, but he came off. So he's kind of behind. So you got Chubb and Pierce, you got Dario Gamba, Wally doing passing downs. Because again, Nick Chubb, even when he was great in Cleveland, wasn't really doing pass catching stuff. So there. So Woody Marks, who actually, I was concerned that he couldn't make a dent in this rotation. Then in the preseason game, I thought he looked good. I thought he had juice. But I'm kind of weirded out that he's playing behind like kind of randos for Houston. I don't know.

[Claire Korbeck]

I just have to take. You have to take a flyer on one of these guys in the last round of your draft or something.

[Danny Hy]

I do think Nick Chubb is a good example of someone that sometimes it's as simple as draft Nick Chubb in like the 11th round and let him be the starter for three weeks and then trade him to someone who needs a running back because the odds Nick Chubb makes it through a whole season are low. But the odds that Nick Chubb and like Jakey Dobbins to the Broncos we've barely talked about are like just good until they get hurt. I think it's really high. Like, Nick Chubb is going to be fine for. He's going to be the starting running back for Houston and you can get him 70 spots after you would have taken Joe Mixon.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, we have him ranked currently with like the high end backup, the Jordan Mason types, but we should probably shift him up towards the low end starters.

[Danny Hy]

It's one of those guys where it's hard to just decide. You almost need a philosophy on where to take a player. Like, that was like, Nick Chubbs probably start for the Texans and you got to roll dice. I'm like, all right, well, how long will that last? How long do you want a competent veteran starting running back on a decent team for? That's not going to be incredible, but like, you could just fill your second running back spot late, but he's not going to like, change your world or anything. He's probably going to get hurt.

[Claire Korbeck]

It is very similar to the J.K. dobbin situation because I feel like there's been a bunch of camp reports and quotes I think that fantasy people have glommed on to. And it's like, Chubb just looks bad. He just does not look explosive.

[Danny Hy]

But it was like a couple weeks ago, right?

[Claire Korbeck]

And he looked fine. And I didn't like, Dobbins didn't look especially explosive to me last year. And he still went over a thousand.

[Danny Hy]

Exactly.

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean, like, it's the. Sometimes you just have to not worry too much about the camp reports. If he looks trustworthy guy and he's. They're probably going to give that the majority of the carries to him to the guy they trust the most.

[Danny Hy]

The same way that I think your willingness to draft Brandon Ayuk very late is frankly different. Based on, like, our rankings would shift dramatically. I think if we could account for whether you have an IR spot or not. If you're in sleeper and you have like two IR spots, you can put Ayuk in from week one. That is different to me than if you have zero. Like, it's not worth a bench spot at all. Don't take him. But if no one's taking them, like, yeah, stick them in your IR because maybe, yes. I'm basically like, anything that's in real life and you can't do in fantasy football is like, defeats the purpose. Like, if you're like, well, you can't play Travis Hunter in an ID like a league that does defense because that's unfair. I'm like, well, if he can do it in real fucking life, why can't you do it in fantasy? So if they have IR in real life, why can't you create an extra roster spot? Are you anti football team?

[Danny Kay]

No, No.

[Danny Hy]

I think it gets weird. Like the league we're in, your dynasty league.

[Claire Korbeck]

I was just getting ready to hear that.

[Danny Hy]

But in your dynasty league that you with your friends, that I've won twice in three years and maybe a dick about it because you, you forgot who won. And I never brag. I don't brag about winning because it's our fucking job.

[Danny Kay]

Except right now.

[Danny Hy]

But then you asked me. Well, no, you asked me who won to my face was like, me, I won. You're like, did you really? And I realized if you don't talk shit as the winner, no one remembers. No one remembers who won your league because the moment you're out, you stop paying attention.

[Danny Kay]

The only person who knows is the person who's in the finals against you. Everybody else is knowing.

[Danny Hy]

And I realized that unless you're an.

[Danny Kay]

Asshole, block it out of your mind, move on, just get.

[Danny Hy]

Remembers who won. And I realized I'm not talking. No one knows.

[Claire Korbeck]

So, yeah, I mean, I'm. Yes, I was mad you didn't remember. You have to talk. You have to talk more.

[Danny Hy]

You're the commissioner and you asked me. I was so mad at you.

[Claire Korbeck]

You've won two out of three yes.

[Danny Hy]

You didn't even know that.

[Danny Kay]

Really?

[Danny Hy]

I hate you.

[Danny Kay]

I don't know.

[Claire Korbeck]

The dirty little secret of this podcast is that high Fitz is actually really good at fantasy.

[Danny Kay]

The dirty little secret.

[Claire Korbeck]

Heifetz is annoyingly good at this.

[Danny Kay]

A lot of fantasy is honestly effort. And it's like this is trying and like talking to people, negotiating, making trades, like living on the waiver wire. And Heiford is a maniac.

[Danny Hy]

That is also.

[Claire Korbeck]

He'll fucking sweet talk you into some trade.

[Danny Hy]

You did great with the trade. I gave you Evan Ingram, you gave me Agram and Conklin and I won the league and then. But you got the third round pick and you fucking drafted Puka Nicot with the pick. So I don't hear anything from you.

[Claire Korbeck]

Turned out all right.

[Danny Hy]

No one gives a shit about any of this. I will say, though, but the Chubb thing, that's a good segue with the trading. I actually think Chubb is worth more in a league where you actually think you can trade with your league mates. Because there are leagues where no one does trades and there are leagues where it's very possible. Nick Chubb, three weeks in the season, if he's good, someone's gonna be like, oh, Nick Chubb. Because, like, it is the easiest thing in the world to trade a running back. Three weeks in the fantasy season, like everyone. Three weeks in the, in the, in the season is like trying to trade. I have too many receivers. I want a running back. Like, eight of the 12 teams are trying to do that. So if you have Nick Chubb, you can flip them. But if it's an office league and you're like, I'm not going to make any trades, then to me it's worth a little. Anyway.

[Danny Kay]

There's. Yeah, there's a few more mini injury things. It's like Najee Harris is back at practice, but he's not practicing. Daniel Popper reported that he might go on the NFI list and might not be. I think four weeks of the season.

[Danny Hy]

I think Najee's career is, like, over.

[Danny Kay]

That's pretty grim.

[Danny Hy]

And I know. Well, I guess I'm not going to say I think it's over. I think it's, like, certain. I think it is. We're at the point where it might be more possible that Najee's career is over than he's going to, like, significantly contribute soon. I like. And I'm not trying to just say that, but it is really. This is like, now third hand information. But Evan Silva established the run, called his, like, Optimal. His friend is an eye doctor and relaying information from a different show.

[Danny Kay]

I know a guy, I know a.

[Danny Hy]

Guy who knows a guy called an eye doctor. I'm like, yeah, this isn't probably the best journalistic practice.

[Claire Korbeck]

Maybe have, have some eye doctors email us.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, email, oh, email us your doctor so we could be more responsible. But he basically was like his doctor was friend. Your eye heals really fast. And it was like the fact that like it took more than four days is back. We're coming up on like I, when was July 4th? Like a month and a half ago. Not great. So anyway, not ideal. I'm a little worried for Naji and again, I don't mean to make fun of it or anything. It's like his eye that sucks, right? But I, I, I don't think he's going to meaningfully contribute to the Los Angeles Chargers this year.

[Danny Kay]

That's a bummer, right?

[Danny Hy]

It sucks for him.

[Claire Korbeck]

It's always going to be. I saw a report the other day that Greg Roman is, he's like, I believe in a committee we're going to do.

[Danny Hy]

So there's a Mary Hampton, this Hassan Haskins, There's Kamani Vidal who I actually is weirdly young, but probably the best pass catching guy.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's like, he is the post type sleeper because people were in on him last year, sixth rounder out of Troy.

[Danny Hy]

And then I think Vidal is going to be the pass catching guy for the Chargers. And then Hassan Askins like played for Harbot, Michigan and like that's enough, dude.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's 572 15. Just come on. If it all 5757 or 5 8, probably the shortest.

[Danny Hy]

What do you mean 5,758? I guess.

[Claire Korbeck]

Well he's 5,077 so he's like closer to five.

[Danny Hy]

I don't want, I don't. Did you just give me a third decimal and a height?

[Claire Korbeck]

5077 is five foot and seven eight.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, okay, that's like he'd be five eight an inch but he's five seven.

[Claire Korbeck]

Five seven and seven eight.

[Danny Hy]

He's five eight in shoes, five seven. See, why can't we just say five seven seven eight? We already have a whole metric system.

[Claire Korbeck]

Five, seven, five seven. He's five seven and seven eight. That's a mouthful. Just say 577.

[Danny Hy]

But I don't know what 577 means.

[Claire Korbeck]

I told you.

[Danny Hy]

How about 77% of an eight?

[Danny Kay]

I told you.

[Claire Korbeck]

The last two are seven. Assume the second decimal eighth of an inch.

[Danny Kay]

How about five, 7.87?

[Danny Hy]

But that's. That's wrong. That's not what it is.

[Claire Korbeck]

What do you mean?

[Danny Kay]

Close enough. What are you, 5, 7.7? 5, 5, 7.75?

[Danny Hy]

No, he's saying he's five foot seven and seven eighths of an inch. So five, eight minus an eighth of an inch.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And you're trying to just add a different thing.

[Danny Kay]

I think. I think a decimal is an easier way to kind of understand that he's not quite 5 8.

[Danny Hy]

I will take the l here because big picture, I'm the one who said DK said like 5, 8, and I cut out. That was my point.

[Claire Korbeck]

Can I just say 5, 7, 5, 8. Who gives a fuck?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, he's right. 5, 8. I just didn't know what 5, 7, 7 meant.

[Danny Kay]

I was like, greg Roman should just give up on his dual backfield play. O' Mary O' Marian Hampton is built to get 300 touches a year.

[Danny Hy]

That guy, you know who's not five, eight.

[Danny Kay]

What are you doing? That's the whole point of having a guy like him is that he can always be on the field.

[Danny Hy]

Marian Hampton's 6 foot 2, 20. Yeah, he's a large person. All right. Any other injury? Quinn Johnson, also, he had a concussion, right? Yeah, yeah, I.

[Danny Kay]

He got knocked out.

[Danny Hy]

Any other injuries?

[Claire Korbeck]

You know, Darnell Mooney.

[Danny Kay]

Darnell Mooney's still got a shoulder thing.

[Claire Korbeck]

They'll get him back this year.

[Danny Hy]

I think the big picture takeaway from this long discussion is there is a class of unheralded, unsexy, boring receivers. Darnell Mooney, Khalil Shakir, Jaden Reed, Chris Godwin that are to some degree injured and are, like, going to be back for week one. Chris Godwin's injuries are serious. And I'm like, I kind of don't want any of these older guys who are going to be hurt unless they like, drop. If they drop, that's cool because they're boring hurt. Got the questionable, but I would way rather have the young guns of the Matthew golden, the Ricky Parasol, like, even Tyler, like these injured veterans like Mooney. Probably I'm more excited than the others, but I don't. I almost prefer shoulder injury to a low body thing, but I don't love veterans picking up injuries in training camp or whatever. Like, I think we're way more excited about the young rookies.

[Danny Kay]

Well, speaking of picking up injuries in training camp and young rookies, Ted McMillan not practicing hamstring.

[Danny Hy]

That sucks.

[Danny Kay]

It's so. It's so funny. How. How a headline can change your. Your. Your mood. Because one headline says, Ted McMillan not practicing due to a minor hamstring.

[Danny Hy]

The grades like defcon, where it's not the way you think.

[Claire Korbeck]

Hamstring minor.

[Danny Kay]

A minor hamstring injury. The next headline, panthers temporarily shut down.

[Danny Hy]

Well, that's one of those ones. If you miss practice, is that like.

[Danny Kay]

Are they temporarily shutting you down? Technically, Literally. That's correct. I guess they are shutting you down for that practice. We're so back.

[Danny Hy]

The other thing with the hamstring grades and all the, like, you know, they have like a grade one, grade two is. I always get it wrong, where it's like, oh, DEFCON fought. Oh, God, nuclear war. No, no, no. That means we're fine.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I'm like, one. Yeah. I think that's the same thing. Like, grade three hamstring. I'm like, oh, no. Anyway, other things. The contract. James Cook signed his contract with the Bills. End up getting, like. I don't remember, like, $12 million a year. Whatever. Congrats for him. It doesn't change anything for me. I don't think we priced it like it mattered. I think it's more just like he's going to us. He's like a late third round. Or like a. Like a late third round. Mid. Mid third round, mid fourth round pick.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Probably unlikely to crazy outdo his value because he just had 16 touchdowns after having two and then two the previous seasons.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. We actually have place fourth.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. So we're kind of like, he's a fine player.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's the poster child of Terry McLaurin.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

Touchdown.

[Danny Hy]

Which is progression coming, but it's also priced in. So, like, he's a. He's like, just putting it on the fairway. I don't think he's. He's unlikely to fail you. Unlikely to be the singular reason you won your league.

[Danny Kay]

I know, it is funny. Remember how that one year we were like, austin eckler can't have 20 touchdowns again, and then he had, like, 18.

[Danny Hy]

And then we did Fran Jones, he was like, he can't have 20 touchdowns again, and then he had 20 again.

[Danny Kay]

Right. It's kind of like there is a.

[Claire Korbeck]

World in which James Cook fits that archetype too, because he's a highly efficient, elusive runner.

[Danny Hy]

That's a great call. And James Cook will just have 16 again. But he wasn't.

[Claire Korbeck]

He wasn't actually as involved in the passing game as you wanted him to be either, though, so it's a. I don't know. It's a tough one.

[Danny Kay]

You can really talk yourself out of James Cook and into him. Like.

[Claire Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kay]

You can be like Ray Davis. Oh, the, the, the negative regression in the red zone. All that stuff is coming. And then you're like, what if they just do give it to him every time they're inside the five again and he has like 15 touchdowns and he's great.

[Danny Hy]

Any other we have to talk about the Bear and a low stakes conspiracy theory first. Any other really nerdy depth drop picks and running backs? We don't have to spend much time. I just want to say I think Tank basically look better than Travis Etienne at Jacksonville.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, boy.

[Danny Hy]

Kendry Miller in New Orleans to me looks like clearly the backup to.

[Claire Korbeck]

He's looked pretty good.

[Danny Hy]

You look good. I think the backup to Jonathan Taylor's DJ Giddens, who's a rookie. But also it's kind of weird because he's barely played running back that long. But Tyler Goodson's hurt. So that's, that's a weird situation. I don't think there's any clarity, honestly. I don't think you want the Colts running back if Jonathan Taylor gets hurt. It's not like the Falcons were Bijan's backup. Tyler ran for a thousand yards his rookie. It's not like that. But any other really nerdy deep cut running back takes dk.

[Claire Korbeck]

I think that's it.

[Danny Hy]

Okay.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

In that case, do you guys want to do a low stakes conspiracy first? Well, I guess we have to report on the bear.

[Claire Korbeck]

I know this is a huge story.

[Danny Hy]

So huge story we have. For those uninitiated, we have. We asked for low stakes conspiracy theories because high stakes conspiracy theories can affect lives. Low stakes ones are pretty fun. And we asked for and please email your low stakes conspiracy theories to Ringerfancy Football atgmail.com.

[Claire Korbeck]

And someone emailed the bear one must be just legend. The best time ever.

[Danny Hy]

And he said I go to this turtleback zoo in Essex County, New Jersey and I don't they have a bear. They claim they have a black bear. I don't think they have a bear.

[Danny Kay]

Named Jelly named Jelly.

[Danny Hy]

The bears named Jelly. He's like, jelly's not there. Jelly's never an enclosure. He's been there like a dozen, two dozen times with his kids. Bears never there.

[Claire Korbeck]

He thought the bear escaped and attacked a woman.

[Danny Hy]

A black bear in the same range where the zoo is the same national coincidence?

[Claire Korbeck]

I think not essentially, is what he said.

[Danny Hy]

So then we got all these other emails from like I'm talking. I Got. We got like over two dozen emails from people that were like, I also live in New Jersey, also go to that zoo, never seen the bear.

[Claire Korbeck]

I got text.

[Danny Hy]

We were like, what the hell?

[Claire Korbeck]

I got texts from people who are like season ticket holders at the zoo. Come to think of it, haven't seen this bear in, like years.

[Danny Hy]

A lot of people that were like, I've never seen this bear.

[Danny Kay]

So much so that the turtle. The Essex County Turtleback Zoo literally announced that they were going to go live on Instagram to show Jelly the fucking bear.

[Claire Korbeck]

Before they announced that they were gonna go live, you should have seen like all the comments on their previous five or six posts was just, show us.

[Danny Hy]

The bear, Jelly, where's Jelly? So they literally show us the bear. They didn't really acknowledge that I was our show, but they did do. I dubbed it. They went live stream with the bear, but it was in a live stream. And it was literally just them being like, we have a bear. Shut up, you weirdos. And but they did show and they. What they claim.

[Claire Korbeck]

Who's a weirdo?

[Danny Hy]

What they claim is that Jelly is, I mean, 20 years old, which is old for bear. And basically they're saying that it's Boo Radley. Like, it doesn't. The bear Jelly doesn't come out that much. I mean, yeah, it comes out for breakfast in like 10:30 the morning when the zoo opens and goes back in her enclosure. And like, it is kind of like old and doesn't give a fuck about them kids. And that's their explanation. And so on one hand I'm like, you know, maybe this bear is just 20. On the other hand, all the people in the Instagram comments were like, this bear is like a crisis actor. Or like, this bear is a man.

[Danny Kay]

And a bear stream.

[Claire Korbeck]

All the comments were like, fake. I can see the zipper. Like, because there are. There are zoos that have done this. Like, there wasn't there a famous. There was a famous case of a zoo in China had like, dogs that were like painted, like, and there was.

[Danny Hy]

An animatronic whale shark at a zoo in China that was like a fake wheelchair.

[Claire Korbeck]

Don't get mad at us.

[Danny Hy]

We're just looking for the facts, dude. Even my mom, who I went up, we're in New York City right now. I saw my parents before you guys got in and I, My mom even was just like, you know, how do we know we. That's the same bear? And I was like, wow, Jinxy cat.

[Danny Kay]

We don't really know you spray painted Jinxy cat. You spray painted a random cat to look like Jinxy.

[Danny Hy]

How.

[Claire Korbeck]

How hard is it to get a bear? I could get a bear in, like three days. What is your bear for you on the weekend?

[Danny Hy]

You got a bear guy? I do have a bear guy, actually. In college, one of my friends, his dad sent him bear meat.

[Danny Kay]

Like, whoa.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I know.

[Claire Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

I'm not gonna name anyone because I think it was illegal, but it was black bear.

[Danny Kay]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

Grounded up. No, I didn't eat it. It was mailed from Florida. I was gonna eat. Wasn't sent.

[Claire Korbeck]

They mailed the bear meat from Florida?

[Danny Kay]

It was not sent. No.

[Danny Hy]

Maybe brought it home from Florida. I don't know.

[Danny Kay]

It fresh bear meat?

[Danny Hy]

No, it was like, brown. I made burgers. I did not eat it.

[Claire Korbeck]

Let's get off.

[Danny Hy]

My friend listening, you know, let's get.

[Claire Korbeck]

Off of the bear meat.

[Danny Hy]

All my friends listening, know exactly who this person was.

[Danny Kay]

And he. Were you around when he was eating the burger?

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kay]

What. How did.

[Danny Hy]

Well, he's. He's like true Florida man. Like, he's like a true Florida man guy. And like, like, mullet had.

[Danny Kay]

He had burger before. I mean, bear before.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Oh, plenty of times. He thought it was weird that I thought it was weird eating black bear. I'm like, we're 21. What are you doing? Like, and he just. Yeah, he's.

[Claire Korbeck]

We're 21.

[Danny Hy]

That's definitely. Yeah, that's our definitely. Like, our liberal coastal elite blind spot is like hunting and killing the food you eat. That's our collective blind spot.

[Claire Korbeck]

Kill what you eat.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Claire Korbeck]

Anyway, Jelly probably alive. I think all the. There's a preponderance of evidence.

[Danny Hy]

Do you think our.

[Claire Korbeck]

Including. Including like 15 people in the comments saying they either work at the zoo or have been at the zoo lately.

[Danny Hy]

Do you think we're gonna, like, upset the conspiratorial wing of our coalition where they're just kind of like, we're like, stop talking about jelly. Stop talking about jelly. And everyone's gonna be like, you're. You're part of the COVID up, right?

[Danny Kay]

Well, this is how it goes, right? Like, if we like, we could just like double down and be like, actually, this is a big. How can we prove it? This goes all the way to the top and just like, big zoo, enter the rabbit hole. Or we'd be mature, like, hey, he's probably just an old bear.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, we could do the Aaron Rodgers and just be like, yeah, why me? I have to go visit for myself. But I'm like, yeah, you know what the I won't lie. The bear being old and won't come out was weirdly relatable.

[Claire Korbeck]

I was like, yeah, we tell Bill.

[Danny Kay]

Like, take a week off to visit this bear and see if it's real. Just like Aaron Rodgers, you know, I.

[Claire Korbeck]

Don'T think we're gonna be welcome at that zoo.

[Danny Kay]

They're not gonna know it's us. Yeah. Our photos are on the wall.

[Claire Korbeck]

Hide our. We gotta go and like, let's go.

[Danny Hy]

Let's do a poll. Disguises.

[Claire Korbeck]

Oh, there we go.

[Danny Hy]

Let's do a poll. What are the options of the poll? So do you think, like, basically, like, do we need. That's the real jelly. Yeah. Do we need. I. I think that was somewhat sad. Put it this way.

[Claire Korbeck]

Did they say anything specific about, like, the day?

[Danny Hy]

Yes, they did.

[Claire Korbeck]

Whatever.

[Danny Hy]

Okay. So. Well, I will also just say we're in New York.

[Danny Kay]

Definitely saw our clip.

[Danny Hy]

Well, they beat it, of course.

[Danny Kay]

They did so good.

[Danny Hy]

They beat us to the punch, though. And people are probably like, why are we going?

[Claire Korbeck]

Hundreds of comments saying, show us the bears.

[Danny Hy]

Show us the bears. Where's Joe?

[Danny Kay]

That was probably a really fun couple of days for them in the office, like a. At lunch being like this. What is this? Random fucking fantasy football podcast claiming our bear is fake.

[Danny Hy]

I know, it's the Internet. Well, this is why I wonder if.

[Claire Korbeck]

It was fun for them or if they actually just hate us.

[Danny Hy]

They might hate us. This is probably both seemed annoyed. I will say this is why I think, which I get. We're. Imagine taking care of this bear every day for 20 years, and we're like, we think he's dead. Like, that's probably pretty annoying.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danny Hy]

You know, although there was a lot.

[Danny Kay]

Of evidence, like, this bear has really been.

[Danny Hy]

We were contacting our defense for years. Net. Net after. I mean, it's been a couple weeks now. I think we heard from 60 different people that were like, I've never seen the bear. Which is a lot.

[Danny Kay]

You know what? Let me push back for a moment. So Essex claimed this zookeeper. Claimed. Claimed. We keep using that word, that Jelly comes out every morning at 10:30 to eat breakfast.

[Danny Hy]

I don't know if it's 10:30 every morning, but the point is she's. The best time to see Jelly is in the morning when they open. And basically after her morning appearance, she just goes and sits in a party.

[Claire Korbeck]

She goes and walk, watches cable news.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, she just watches Fox News. So in the. In the morning is the best time to see Jelly. We've gotten plenty of emails I forget the name of the guy who's like, I have three kids. They've been to the zoo more than anybody on this earth, probably. They've never been in the morning. They've never been when they're feeding Jelly.

[Danny Hy]

Well, this is. I will say we have now been contacted by a few people who say that they did see Jelly recently. We had two people email us. This happened since we last spoke. Two people did email burner accounts, said.

[Danny Kay]

They said keepers at Essex.

[Danny Hy]

Well, how deep does it go? But yeah, we did get it publicly. People saying, I saw Jelly. Like, one person said five, one year ago. Okay, one person said six months ago. A couple people said in July, like a month or two ago.

[Danny Kay]

That's a bummer.

[Danny Hy]

And so. But again, could have just been the replacement bear. We don't know.

[Danny Kay]

Right.

[Danny Hy]

The crisis actor.

[Danny Kay]

Don't tell Aaron Rogers.

[Claire Korbeck]

It would be easy to set up a few email accounts and just email some fantasy football podcast and say, hey, I saw the bear.

[Danny Kay]

Saw the bear.

[Claire Korbeck]

Case closed.

[Danny Hy]

Let's set up a poll. And basically, like Jelly is send me.

[Danny Kay]

A photo with your license in your email.

[Claire Korbeck]

I want, I want like one of those Reddit things where you have like a piece of paper, it says this date on it.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. You know, the newspaper.

[Claire Korbeck]

Give us one of those and then we'll drop it. All right.

[Danny Kay]

All right, Jelly, you're off the hook for now.

[Danny Hy]

Jelly looked like.

[Claire Korbeck]

Is it a boy or a girl?

[Danny Hy]

It's a girl. And her sister Jim passed away years ago. It was Jelly and Jim jam.

[Danny Kay]

So perhaps.

[Claire Korbeck]

Well, according to this live stream, she looks like she's doing great.

[Danny Hy]

Dude, the lot, the comments were funny. A lot of people were like, she's moving. Like Eddie lacy.

[Claire Korbeck]

Well, she's 20.

[Danny Hy]

I know. That's all the barriers. Okay. Emails are your fancy football. Gmail to come fill out the poll. We'll figure out a poll for. Basically, I'm.

[Claire Korbeck]

I have to come in on a Sunday and do a live stream.

[Danny Kay]

Lie for this stupid 100 psychos who think this bears fake dude.

[Danny Hy]

All the comments too were just like, not the real dude.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

All right, let's see the zipper.

[Danny Kay]

Don't you have something better to do with your time, you weirdos?

[Danny Hy]

Go back to your shanties. Go back to your shanty. This is zoo.

[Danny Kay]

We're not hiding a bear.

[Claire Korbeck]

All right.

[Danny Hy]

Another low stakes conspiracy. This one's more medium stakes, the high stakes, but it's like not. Not as low as a bear. Okay, so Taylor Swift went on the new heights. This was the biggest thing that's happened.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Taylor Swift went on the Kelsey podcast.

[Danny Kay]

First. First podcast he's ever done.

[Danny Hy]

First ever pod.

[Claire Korbeck]

Really?

[Danny Kay]

Wow.

[Danny Hy]

I think it was like the first must watch podcast. I don't know if there's ever been a must watch, but that was it.

[Claire Korbeck]

And honestly, how'd you do on the podcast?

[Danny Hy]

She did great.

[Claire Korbeck]

Did you listen?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, she did. I think Taylor Swift fans themselves would probably be the first to tell you. You almost watch it and you almost realize that she's never just sat down for one and a half hours or two hours and just been like, totally normal, comfortable.

[Danny Kay]

That's what.

[Danny Hy]

She's certainly the most relaxed I've ever seen her.

[Danny Kay]

Basically a two hour conversation.

[Danny Hy]

It was a two hour.

[Danny Kay]

It was a lot of her and Jason. And then Travis was just kind of. Of sitting there being like, just your best.

[Danny Hy]

Like, I actually. I actually was watching. It was so. He's just like, I can't.

[Danny Kay]

Can you, like, detailing how she won her rights back and the negotiations that went into that. And Jason's asking questions and she's like. And. And Travis is just like, you're the smartest person in the world, dude.

[Danny Hy]

Literally. You know that old tweet he has.

[Claire Korbeck]

Of, like, boyfriend, you know, he's a wife guy.

[Danny Hy]

Literally, at one girlfriend guy. At one point, he's like, you're so sexy and use big words. And she's like, like, you're such a. You're so handsome. Like, she literally is like.

[Danny Kay]

They really gave, like, average millennial couple vibes of just, like, telling cheesy jokes, hand on the hand in each other's thighs type of vibe.

[Danny Hy]

He's not acting. He actually said, I'm the luckiest man in the world, and he's the only person of him from. Like, yeah, you were like that. That was.

[Danny Kay]

She was talking about the moment she found out she was gonna get the rights to her music back. She was like. So I was in the house, I was so excited. And I was like, man, I gotta tell Travis. I go in the other room, like, he's playing video games. And I was just like, what is happening? He's like. He took his headphones off. He's like, boys, like, I gotta go. And I'm like, I don't know. There's something about that. He's in there. He's playing. He was weird with the boys. And I was like, man, all right.

[Danny Hy]

No, like, she lived with him in Kansas City, it seems, for, like, months at a time.

[Danny Kay]

Apparently, they're looking Ohio.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it was super normal. I Thought it was. It was good. Like, she was good. It was like, even Taylor Swift fans. I just. I think it was like the. Honestly, the most earnest.

[Danny Kay]

She seems normal.

[Danny Hy]

She was.

[Danny Kay]

She. Honestly, as normal as you can be.

[Danny Hy]

More normal than she has any business being as the most famous person in the world.

[Danny Kay]

Right. Which. Yeah. And she knows what she's doing. She announces a new album, Life of a Showgirl. It's coming out in October. So there's a lot of rumors swirling.

[Danny Hy]

This is the low stakes conspiracy. What's the lowest. What's the conspiracy? The low stakes conspiracy.

[Danny Kay]

The same one. Is this about the sourdough?

[Danny Hy]

Yes. Do you do it? I think it's. I think it's. I'm so confident.

[Danny Kay]

This is so good.

[Claire Korbeck]

Sourdough.

[Danny Kay]

This is how. Yeah, we'll get there.

[Claire Korbeck]

What?

[Danny Kay]

This is how. She is a genius, genius marketer. Probably the best marketer ever in media.

[Danny Hy]

She, like, really.

[Danny Kay]

She understands her.

[Danny Hy]

Blew open the Internet. She understands what we just did with the bear. Taylor Swift was the first artist to figure out that people will be like the bear. But what if the emails were fake?

[Danny Kay]

Like, the one lie she said on the pod is that she doesn't spend much time on the Internet, which I. That can't. I mean, the whole point is that, like, she like, knows so much about her fans and she hears what they're saying and she wants to make sure they're happy. But anyway, I could, I could see.

[Danny Hy]

Her just getting that printed out and handed to her.

[Claire Korbeck]

Maybe it's like the, like the briefing.

[Danny Hy]

The Trump's briefings that are just like giant text that are just like giving me an opiate.

[Danny Kay]

I just, I think a lot of celebrities lie. Like, we're not online. It's like Steph's online, LeBron's online.

[Danny Hy]

Steph Curry's checking his mentions at half times. Like, I didn't see that.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. So she says that she's been getting into bread making. She likes. She likes making bread.

[Claire Korbeck]

She's just speaking to you guys specifically.

[Danny Kay]

Sourdough bread.

[Danny Hy]

Sourdough boys right here.

[Danny Kay]

Sourdough bread. And she was saying that she. She had this one sentence that stood out as a little bit. It felt like inorganic.

[Danny Hy]

Only thing that felt prepared. The only thing the entire time that felt prepared.

[Danny Kay]

Like you. It's like an improv game where there's a secret word and you have to work it into. Into the scene or whatever.

[Claire Korbeck]

Does it, like, fit quite right?

[Danny Kay]

Yes. She goes, I think about bread. 60% of the time.

[Danny Hy]

It was so it was the only thing that caught me of like, what a weird thing to say.

[Danny Kay]

A normal person would be like, I think about making bread all the time. Like I'm obsessed with it.

[Danny Hy]

And I noticed it watching it. Having not known the theory, I just was like, that's that she just said it weird.

[Danny Kay]

So the theory of how she's making.

[Claire Korbeck]

Sour bread is going to be 60% or something like that.

[Danny Hy]

No, no, you will never get there.

[Danny Kay]

But the point is that she chose the number 60 specifically for a reason. Because.

[Danny Hy]

But this is also.

[Claire Korbeck]

She's into numerology.

[Danny Hy]

Like turf hits, right? Yes. This is during a 10 minute conversation about sourdough.

[Danny Kay]

I can't believe we're doing this. This is great. She chose. She chose 60 specifically because the super bowl this year is Super Bowl 60. Oh, the super bowl this year is taking place in San Francisco, home to Boudin Sourdough Bread, the mascot for the Niners. Sourdough Sam.

[Danny Hy]

Sourdough Sam's the name of the mascot.

[Danny Kay]

For the 49 year old.

[Danny Hy]

Yes, Sourdough Sam.

[Danny Kay]

So people think she's signaling to her fans that she will be performing at halftime.

[Danny Hy]

She said, I've thinking about sourdough 60. The sentence was, I've been thinking about sourdough like 60% of the time.

[Danny Kay]

And she does.

[Claire Korbeck]

She does little Easter eggs like that all the time.

[Danny Kay]

It was what she. This conversation was giving her fans things to kind of nibble on and build theories around.

[Danny Hy]

I forget if it was before or after, but she literally had an entire section where they asked her about the art of the Easter egg. And they. Because it's actually. If you don't know the deal, it's actually crazy smart. But the lengths they go to lay the Easter eggs where it's like, this is 180 days after whatever. Like it's really intentional. And she actually said, I would never do an Easter egg about my personal life, I think implying like I will not drop an Easter egg about my pregnant or getting married or pregnant, engaged, married, not gonna happen.

[Claire Korbeck]

She's not turning that into content. No.

[Danny Hy]

And she was like, my things are about my professional world, like release drops, albums, anything about anything I'm excited about. And then like either five or minutes before, after that, it's like this conversation. And I think that's. And the other part of this that no one's mentioning, which maybe it's so obvious to Taylor Swift fans, it doesn't get talked about. Why? Do you know how many shows she did of the eras tour? 149.

[Claire Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

What a strange number to stop at true. I think she will do the 150th.

[Claire Korbeck]

Is going to be the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hy]

150Th eras tour is going to be.

[Claire Korbeck]

The super bowl half done show.

[Danny Kay]

Strange number.

[Danny Hy]

Like, that's crazy.

[Claire Korbeck]

But did we have a cancellation?

[Danny Hy]

But no, they extended it. I don't. I'm not going to.

[Danny Kay]

I'm less convinced that she cares about 149 to 150. I think. I think I'm more convinced.

[Danny Hy]

Convinced about the 60 shower stops at 149.

[Claire Korbeck]

That's not a thing that would drive FIFA. It's crazy.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. This won't be the eras tour. It's like a different show.

[Danny Hy]

Okay. What do you think the halftime show is going to be? It's going to be one song from each era. Come on.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, maybe. I don't. I don't know.

[Claire Korbeck]

I mean, decide the super bowl halftime show this early?

[Danny Hy]

Yes.

[Danny Kay]

No.

[Danny Hy]

Yes, they do. They announced Kendrick Lamar in September. I'm saying in the next. It's August 18th. We're recording this at some point in the next month. We're going to hear the Taylor Swift's the halftime Show. Yes, they announced. I'm pretty sure. If you ask me, I don't think.

[Danny Kay]

Kendrick wants that until after the album comes out.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, sure, fine. When is it? October 3rd or. Yeah, so whenever. Yeah, there's smarter people than me could figure out. I mean, you're better at Hollywood than me. Whenever. Timing. But in conjunction with this album coming out, they're going to announce that she's doing the halftime show.

[Danny Kay]

And I think a lot of people thought that because she's never done it, that, oh, it's too small for her. After you've taken over the world, you have the most successful tour of all time. Like the Super Bowl's too small, but God, can you imagine if the fucking Chiefs make the Super Bowl? And Travis Kelsey's last game ever. Yeah, his girlfriend is performing at halftime. It's probably going to happen the second these guys started a podcast together. They have back to back seasons against one another in the Super Bowl.

[Claire Korbeck]

This is why there's conspiracy theory.

[Danny Kay]

This will probably all happen and September.

[Danny Hy]

So they announced Kendrick Lester September 8th, but they would.

[Danny Kay]

That's earlier than I thought.

[Danny Hy]

They would move it for Taylor's release because Taylor, frankly, is for sure they would even. They're not going to pay her because they don't pay the super bowl halftime artist because they're basically production. However, they would be more flexible to give her to her. No, she's no, she's going to be paid. She'll make more. But like, they would move the release date. They typically want the NFL if Taylor Swift would agree to do it. She's the only person like too big there. Even beyond. Like, no one's too big for it but Coldplay. Except for Coldplay.

[Danny Kay]

Maybe they could collab.

[Danny Hy]

They could collab. I really. I think this is gonna happen. I actually think this is going. I think this is a conspiracy. I totally believe she's going to the halftime show. They're gonna announce it's August 18th. I think by October 18th, she's confirmed.

[Danny Kay]

The other thing I think she's going to announce is I think she's going to play at the Sphere in Vegas. Yeah, I do think that's going to happen. I think life of a showgirl. Showgirl in Vegas. Like her new album has like a little month long residency in Las Vegas is like the fine. That's like a new medium for her. She's all. She's visual now. Like, she's. She puts a lot of effort into like the music videos, all that stuff. I think her at the Sphere is gonna happen.

[Danny Hy]

The best take. That's like the best take I've heard from you in a year. I gotta tell you, not getting to see the Grateful Dead at the Sphere.

[Danny Kay]

Damn.

[Danny Hy]

No, I'm smart. Not getting. I'm so jealous of everyone who's been to the Sphere. If anyone listening has been in the Sphere and I have, I know, like, I'm word a lot, I can say it.

[Claire Korbeck]

I would like to go there.

[Danny Hy]

I am so upset I didn't get there. No offense to the back.

[Claire Korbeck]

I just don't want to see them. Inside joke went day.

[Danny Hy]

I don't have the Grateful Dead like lore. My f. My parents aren't that into them. But like, I really regret. Not every video I've ever seen of anyone's goes talks about it like it was a transformative experience. I'm so upset. I haven't been. I think I'll. I will try. I guess there's no chance you're going.

[Danny Kay]

To figure out those tickets are going to be.

[Danny Hy]

Well, they don't resell them though.

[Danny Kay]

Expensive.

[Danny Hy]

No, they don't resell them like James don't. Again, it's the, you know, the Onion meme of like, the worst per. Oh, no. Heartbreaking. The worst person, you know, made a great point. James Dolan is like, heartbreaking. The worst person, you know, reinvented live entertainment. Like James Dolan solely owns Madison Square Garden. And here there's no resale. They have, like, a system and they do not resell tickets. I think the Grateful dead tour was 750 a pop. Really? And there was no. Like, they will let you sell resell it on their place at. Bruce Springsteen started doing this, like, 10 years ago. He didn't want his tickets resold, so. But I don't know if he invented it, but, like, the Severe. As far as I know, you can't just go on SeatGeek or StubHub and, like, just get $5,000 to paint. Like, they make you do it on their thing. I'm sure you can try, but, like, there's risk of a QR code or whatever that same ticket being used. But, like, you can't. They. They cap it. And so the Taylor Swift, like, obviously Swift, you work out your own deal. But, like, that would be pretty crazy. That's a good take.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Who knows? I mean, maybe she. That's not interested in it, but I. I could see that happening as her. It's like, what else? I don't think she's gonna want to go on tour again right after this album comes out after what she just did. And this fear makes perfect.

[Danny Hy]

If you. That's. That's smart. Because the other thing is, it was like, I mean, at this point, we're doing Taylor Swift stuff, and I don't.

[Claire Korbeck]

Know what I'm talking about, but I'm 20 minutes.

[Danny Hy]

How do you follow up?

[Claire Korbeck]

But I'm like, wrap it up, B. Wrap it up.

[Danny Hy]

I know, but I'm like, but you can't follow. I don't think she wants to follow it up with anything that would feel lesser than the errors to her. Like, you just did. The bar was set at like, it's going to be like 4ish hours every time. And it's going to visually look. And she kept talking about this. It's going to visually look different every 20 seconds. And she said. Said it looks like scrolling. She wanted people to get amnesia from the tour where it's four hours, you're captured and then you leave and you're like, I don't even know what I saw. That's also an interesting. And she said that was top of mind for her. That's where the sphere is also interesting. But, like, how are you gonna follow? You're gonna do a regular tour after this album? That's gonna top what she just did. Like, I don't think she would want to do something different, less impactful. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Well, we'll see.

[Danny Kay]

Probably won't happen.

[Claire Korbeck]

Totally.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Remember when we thought the relationship was fake?

[Claire Korbeck]

Can we run that clip?

[Danny Kay]

I stand by it. I mean, come on. Like, the odds of me being correct were high there.

[Danny Hy]

You know what makes me feel better?

[Claire Korbeck]

We spent 20 minutes talking about how brilliant of a businesswoman.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Well, you know what's funny? Well, because our relation, our first thought was, this is fake. And you know what Jason Kelsey says earlier on? He's like, when Travis told me, he was like, I did not believe you. Yeah. Which makes me feel better. Jason Kelsey is like, I did not believe you when he told me.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. It's like, do you believe Tom Cruise and Anna De Armas are really dating? I'm going to go out on a limit. Say, probably not. And they won't be together in six months. But I guess I could be wrong.

[Danny Hy]

Now they're going to.

[Danny Kay]

They'll probably get married.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, they're going to get married.

[Danny Kay]

Of course, they're also trying to sell a movie right now together. Tom Cruise and At Army.

[Claire Korbeck]

Interesting.

[Danny Hy]

All right, I think that's it. I think that basically covers it. We have a live show New York. We have a ton of shows coming up. We live show in New York and we have another show we're going to record here, World Trade on Wednesday. And then we have a lot of shows coming out. But yeah, if you want our rankings, Fantasy Football, the Rainbow.com, we're going to get those updated this week with some of the changes we talked about today. And then, yeah, this is like high time. Rankings, drafts, everything. So, yeah, follow us on Instagram.

[Danny Kay]

Did you say we're going to LA after this?

[Danny Hy]

Oh, yeah, sorry. We're going to la. We'll be in person for like the next two weeks. So we're going to get sick of each other. We'll give you tales of our travels and Taylor Swift conspiracy.

[Danny Kay]

Unfortunately, we're not sitting next to one another on our flight home.

[Claire Korbeck]

I know we could try to fix.

[Danny Hy]

That one day we'll talk about DK's flight here, which is crazy. But we were not going to do that now. But yeah, so we're together next. So follow us on Instagram if you care about our.

[Danny Kay]

We're also a week. We are a week out from our live draft.

[Danny Hy]

Our live draft. The rear Fantasy Football league's coming back.

[Danny Kay]

Yes. Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Bill, Mal, Chris, Sean's cousin, Sal House. Like, like Van Life. It's gonna be three of us.

[Danny Kay]

Like, it's gonna be later this week. We're gonna talk about the punishment. What the Punishment is officially going.

[Danny Hy]

Yes, we have Bill. Yeah, Bill. Bill's gonna be the adjudicator.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. So keep sending us emails. We're gonna compile a bunch of.

[Danny Hy]

That is important. Yeah. Email us the ideas and again, things people with kids will do. But they have to be funny and stop with love to everyone. You're not the first person to suggest doing a rewatchable with love. That has been suggested 500 times.

[Danny Kay]

They're all funny.

[Danny Hy]

They're all funny.

[Danny Kay]

But unlikely to have.

[Danny Hy]

Not going to happen. But also there's nothing no iteration of rewatchables that is going to happen that hasn't suggested already. So think of it some other kind and we will figure out what the punishment is going to be with Bill later this week and then. Yeah, that drops on Monday.

[Danny Kay]

Sicario in the rewatchables for five years. I don't think whatever your idea is probably not going to happen.

[Danny Hy]

Going to be locked on YouTube. The draft. The ringer fantasy football draft on Monday. Do we know what time it is?

[Danny Kay]

Like one or two o'. Clock. It'll be the afternoon Pacific time.

[Danny Hy]

So eat four or five eastern time.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stupid different 10 people. Snake draft. It's going to be great. All going to be in person.

[Danny Hy]

Emails, punishments for that. Email us any actual football questions you have and then if you want to see like we're going to put up a bunch of shenanigans on the Instagram of just like we're doing. If you want to see that. Our story. Whatever. Just rare fantasy football on Instagram and TikTok too. So thank you Craig. Thank you dk. Thank you Ronick. Thank you Carlos and Kai. Thank you Lord.

[Claire Korbeck]

Lord, thank you. 98 degrees.

[Danny Kay]

Oh yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I don't know who that is.

[Danny Kay]

Like a 90s.

[Claire Korbeck]

I don't think I've actually used that one before.

[Danny Kay]

The 90s. Early aughts.

[Danny Hy]

I thought you were gonna go.

[Claire Korbeck]

It was so confident or late.

[Danny Kay]

Yes, it was Lachi. It's Lachey 90s.

[Claire Korbeck]

I don't know any.

[Danny Hy]

I'm not gonna google them on Tell me what am I looking. What's 98 degrees?

[Danny Kay]

It's a boy band.

[Claire Korbeck]

It was like the counterpart to Backstreet Boys.

[Danny Hy]

They're like they crawl. Backstreet Boys could walk in one direction.

[Danny Kay]

They were like tier 2 or tier 3. Sinking backstreet bars or tier 1.

[Claire Korbeck]

I actually don't remember like what they're.

[Danny Kay]

They had one big song that if you tell me the name I'll probably remember it. Can you sing?

[Claire Korbeck]

Because of you True to your heart.

[Danny Hy]

Sing it.

[Claire Korbeck]

Wait, which song? I'm trying to remember the, like, the big ones that they did.

[Danny Hy]

We have these Spotify behind us and.

[Danny Kay]

We'Re just like, no. I get so I get cherish you. I don't know.

[Claire Korbeck]

I get Backstreet Boys and 98 Degrees and. And there was another one. Sync in sync. I get them all mixed. Like, I don't know the really.

[Danny Hy]

He was in college at that. Like, he was like, dude, I'm not going to lie.

[Claire Korbeck]

Is upset with me.

[Danny Hy]

Backstreet Boys didn't sync. Were a big deal. Are we going to get sued for this? Can we do this? Ronic's like, no. I don't know if he said no to getting sued or no to we.

[Claire Korbeck]

I like it 98 degree on. On Spotify. It's 98 with a little degree. So 9. It's not degrees.

[Danny Kay]

I don't know this song.

[Danny Hy]

That was literally a pre SEO. You can tell. That was before they had to type anything in.

[Danny Kay]

There was a song that I knew about him. Right.

[Danny Hy]

Sing it. Dk.

[Claire Korbeck]

I do. Is the best.

[Danny Kay]

Was it the.

[Danny Hy]

What are these guys up to now? Oh, who just told me the other day that Nick Lachey hosts Speaking. Anthony. Who's the Fatone in sync?

[Danny Kay]

Joey.

[Danny Hy]

Joey Fatone.

[Claire Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Is on Broadway doing a show. I guess I should Google it.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah. Nick Lachey does Love is blind.

[Danny Hy]

I'm glad they found something.

[Claire Korbeck]

He also had a show with Jessica Simpson back in the day.

[Danny Kay]

I'm glad Nick Lachey found something.

[Danny Hy]

I am.

[Claire Korbeck]

They're gonna make it.

[Danny Kay]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

You know, they're all right. I mean, it's tough. It's a tough situation being famous young. It's weird. You know, the Backstreet guys.

[Danny Kay]

You're going through it right now.

[Danny Hy]

Please. Joey Fatone is in. Is a Broadway musical. And Juliet. Oh, he's in.

[Danny Kay]

And Juliet's huge.

[Danny Hy]

And Juliet. And I think it's basically. It's if Juliet didn't die at the end of Romeo Juliet. And it's just like after one.

[Danny Kay]

Don't know this one either.

[Claire Korbeck]

I feel like they were a little.

[Danny Hy]

We were like four years old, but.

[Danny Kay]

There was a 98 degrees on. I think it's because of you.

[Claire Korbeck]

Percent is.

[Danny Kay]

I don't know.

[Danny Hy]

Our entry tickets for the World Trade center are in like eight minutes.

[Danny Kay]

Oh, all right, let's go.

[Danny Hy]

We should probably go check IG.

[Danny Kay]

DK's never been here.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. D's never been in New York. Check Instagram. We're just doing his first for everything on Instagram. So check us. Bring your fantasy football.

[Danny Kay]

All right, Goodbye.

[Danny Hy]

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