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Danny Kelly
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Danny Kanell
So with that said, with that said.
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Danny Kelly
We can get to overall quarterback strategy for fantasy in 2025. I don't know about you guys just looking at quarterback this year, I actually have never felt stronger about what I want to do. I might be wrong, but I actually know every time I go into a draft, I know exactly what I want to accomplish. I don't know dk, do you feel that way?
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Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, I mean, I think that there's. For me, I have a specific strategy I'm going with this year and that is. Should I just say it now?
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Danny Kanell
Reveal it.
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Danny Kelly
Let's hold it, hold it.
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Danny Kanell
Unboxing right now on air.
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Craig Krolczyk
It's very not novel. Craig. I want one of the top four guys or I'm going to wait a really long time.
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Danny Kelly
Give me one of them big ones.
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Craig Krolczyk
Give me one of them big ones. Basically the, the God tier of fantasy quarterbacks. I think I'll really want to kind of go for it. It's just these are the types of guys that not only have a really high floor week in and week out, they're going to be really consistent. They're going to get you your, you know, 16, 17 points almost surely. And then they also have the upside because of the rushing to get you 22, 25, 30, sometimes even more points, depending on what they do. So there's Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts Heifetz. If you have a different tier one, let me know. But those guys, all four of those guys scored 100 plus points last year in rushing alone. They're the only quarterbacks I think in that stratosphere right now that we, that we know of, maybe some, maybe someone will emerge this year that does end up rushing for. And these guys are basically like the ceiling is a thousand yards and or 10 rushing touchdowns, realistic range of options for them. And then obviously all four of these guys are also good passers. So the God tier to me is very interesting. I feel like if you get one of those guys, even though it's expensive, it's just giving you such a massive advantage over your league mates every week.
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Danny Kelly
Craig, is that how you feel? Do you want one of the top.
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Danny Kanell
Four guys, you know, this year? I think my answer is no. I have a different strategy. I think the last few years it has been you gotta get one of the big four. And the big four used to be you probably swapped Jaden Daniels out from Mahomes originally, maybe Burrow, but it was like kind of, you know, the big four is what you wanted. I think quarterback is deeper than ever since we've been doing this show right now. And I actually feel more comfortable waiting on quarterback this Year. I think because of the influx of talent that came in last year with those six rookies, five of which worked out JJ McCarthy, TBD and then the rookies the year before that also it seems to be working out. I think they're outside of the Browns, the Giants and the Saints. You could argue every other quarterback in the league could be a viable fantasy starter. I mean like the worst guys in the league, the guys you are taking almost at the who aren't even getting drafted are guys like Geno Smith and Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was a top 10 quarterback last year. He like isn't even getting drafted. So to me there's also a lot more rushing influx right now as well. I mean you already have the Jalen Hurts, the Josh Allen, the Lamar Jacksons, you have Kyler Murray and you have now Justin Fields as a starter. You add in Jaden Daniels, Bo Nicks who is a mid tier rusher. You had Drake May who is potentially flirting with being a top tier rusher. I just think that the depth of the position from a skill standpoint is deeper than ever. And the rushing floor, add in Caleb Williams rushing possibilities, the rushing floor for a lot of guys. Brock Purdy rush is just little higher than it's been. There are a lot of guys now that like kind of could get to 400 yards rushing and five touchdowns and there are just a lot of quarterbacks I like. And so I actually think I'm not going to stress too much about needing Josh Allen this year if his price is super high because I feel like I can cobble together some good options late late in the draft.
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Danny Kelly
So I'm going to cheat. I'm going to say I actually want to do what both of you are saying.
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Craig Krolczyk
You're right in the middle.
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Danny Kelly
I am in the middle but ironically like I'm not averaging, I'm not trying to meet you in the middle. Like I'm saying Ricky Bobby, I, I want to either do what DK saying where I want to be one of the first people to get a quarterback and I want to get one of the elite guys. And to be clear, those elite guys as Craig mentioned are Josh. We can go through them a little more specifically but the top tier is Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts. Like those are the top four guys. I want one of them and if I'm not getting one of them, I want to be the last person to get a quarterback. Basically like what Craig's saying.
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Craig Krolczyk
Because that's essentially what I was saying too first, first, earlier, late.
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Danny Kelly
So yeah, and so I'm a big believer in the Ricky Bobby style quarterback this year. But overall I agree with what Craig's saying too because I want two quarterbacks so one of them has to be able to run. But basically I don't want a pocket passer this year because it's so. But to Craig's point, it's so deep because again, I don't want to pick on Baker Mayfield because Baker again is about as likable as it gets in the NFL. He's just a fun player to root for. But Baker Mayfield I think is an example of quarterback who had never had 30 passing touchdowns of the year and then last year he had 40. So maybe Baker does that again. But in reality last year, Baker you could have gotten as like the 17th quarterback or whatever. And there's always a guy at the late that ends up going hot. But in a world like if you. I don't want to take Baker Mayfield 75th or whatever overall when as Craig pointed out the. And you can rank these guys however you want. But if Drake May is the 14th quarterback and Justin Herbert's the 15th quarterback and Dak Prescott's the 16th quarterback and C.J. stroud is the 17th quarterback and Jordan Love is the 18th quarterback. Trevor Lawrence, whatever you think of him, maybe you don't like him. Trevor Lawrence is the 19th quarterback in Fan. Like at that rate, I don't want to pay for a pocket passer. I am only paying up if the guy runs or falls to me really late. And so the only people I want to pay up for are those top four people DK mentioned. And we'll. I think there's two kinds of leagues. I don't know the word for one, but basically quote unquote, I hate the term sharper leagues, but ones where people basically think they're too good for quarterbacks or whatever. Leagues where people are going to be taking Bree hall over Jalen Hurts and I want Jalen Hurts instead of Breeze Hall. And then there are leagues with your friends where Patrick Mahomes is like the ninth pick in the draft. You know what I mean? Like sometimes your friends are just like, well, I'm a Bills fan and why, why how could I go through season without Josh Allen? I'm going to take him eighth. And you know what? That person probably makes the playoffs every year. And so I'm. If it's one of those leagues, I'm fine to not get one of the four quarterbacks and be last. But I, I am fine to reach for, quote, unquote, reach for Jalen hurts this year. Like, I feel so good about it.
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Danny Kanell
Yeah. Hertz and Allen. So I was looking at like the big five every year and how consistent they are. Because that's also something you want, right? Is like, if you're going to spend a lot of money or an early draft pick on these guys. Josh Allen and Hertz are the only two quarterbacks to score more than 20 points per game in each of the last four seasons. Lamar has had seasons where he gets dinged up, he drops off, and then obviously Daniels is only one year into his career. His injury concerns, I don't know, I guess you could say are a little bit higher because of his frame. So if I did commit, if I did need to commit to any of the top tier, I think I would prioritize Josh Allen and Hertz for their consistency.
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Danny Kelly
I agree. So Josh Allen is the most consistent fantasy football player of the 2020s. It's not close. If you just look, since Josh Allen came online basically in 2020 and became the current version of Josh Allen, here's where he ranked end of season fantasy points among quarterbacks. First. First. Second. First. Second.
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Craig Krolczyk
Yeah.
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Danny Kelly
So that's pretty.
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Craig Krolczyk
He's an alien. Yeah.
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Danny Kelly
And the way we don't have to belabor the Josh Allen rating. MVP is good. I will just lead on this. Josh Allen is more passing touchdowns in his career than Joe Burrow, and Josh Allen is more rushing touchdowns in his career than Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey. So, like, that's what you're getting with Josh Allen.
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Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, yeah.
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Danny Kelly
My question for you guys is Lamar Jackson. So, I mean, again, just going through the stat, 41 touchdowns and four picks for Lamar last year.
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Craig Krolczyk
He averaged three points per game more than Josh Allen last year.
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Danny Kelly
Yeah, we're, we're, we're picking nits. But I just wanted to ask Craig, you have Lamar Jackson first among quarterbacks. Dk, you have Lamar third, which isn't that big of a difference. And yet I actually curious. Dk, Yam third.
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Craig Krolczyk
I mean, honestly, it. You could switch any of them and it wouldn't matter to me. They're all like the exact same tier, essentially. Like, get whatever you want. Like I would say before last year, coming into last year, Lamar Jackson was a big target of mine because I felt like his reputation had slipped a little bit. You know, there was like injury concerns. He was a little inconsistent. Like the playoff failures, obviously, like weighing on people's minds or whatever. But, you know, he's still, to me, the prototype of this cheat code at quarterback where he's running a ton. He doesn't rush for a lot of touchdowns, but he's one of the best, if not the best running quarterback in the NFL in terms of just running talent. So he feels maybe, maybe it'll be different this year. I'm not quite sure. But he still feels like the guy that's sort of the value in this group, if there is such a thing. Because I think people don't view him as. He's just not as sexy, I guess, as Josh Allen and Jane Daniels. And then Jalen Hurts has.
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Danny Kelly
You think? I think Lamar is just the same. I think Lamar.
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Craig Krolczyk
Well, maybe not. Maybe not now. Maybe not now after last year, obviously, but that was how I felt going into last year and it definitely kind of played out that way. They're all for a little bit less.
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Danny Kanell
Lamar's one for me, just because I think I feel like he has the highest ceiling. If you wanted to shoot for the stars like, I think Lamar could. I mean, what he did last year, I guess is, is that where he throws for 40 touchdowns and basically runs for a thousand yards. Um, but yeah, but they're literally all next to each other.
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Danny Kelly
It's a good reminder what we're talking about with tears. And again, the reason we do this in tears is because tears is, I think, the way you should draft. Like, we have our rankings out of fantasy football.the ringer.com you can go there for our new. Like our rankings got a facelift. You can check them out, they're updated. But basically you want to have an idea of tiers that groupings of positions of guys that are similarly ranked, so that when you're on the clock and it's tick, tick, tick, and you're going to be up again in five spots. If there's one receiver left in a tier and four running backs, you should take the receiver because a similar running back will be available. Whereas vice versa, you take the running back, you probably won't get that receiver. So, like, you want to. It's a decision making framework. So when we're doing these tiers, broadly speaking, what we're saying is these groups of guys, maybe we have an opinion on how they're ranked, but if you rank them differently within the tier, we don't give a shit. Like, I don't give. I don't really care that DK is Lamar Jackson third or Craig has him first. I have Lamar Jackson second, Josh first, Jalen Hurts third, Jaden Daniels fourth. I Don't really care if you switch that to a random number generation generator. But those should be the first four guys and I'd be mad if someone else was in that group. So I think that's broadly going to apply. And what we're going to do here is figure out what the tiers are and see if we disagree about the groupings themselves. One last thing I want to argue about for these guys, there's a statistical argument for having a great fantasy quarterback about predictability. Jalen hurts all these guys. I will just say overall though, it is super underrated how awesome it is to have a sick fantasy quarterback. It is awesome having two cocks. It's like having two cocks. It really is. And because for so long it was like, well, you can't really predict year to year passing environment, so it's not really a plus expected value thing to like have a late quarterback. And like that was true. But now that guys like Josh Allen has more rushing touchdowns than Saquon in his career, that's the easiest thing there is to predict. You know what the easiest thing for football to predict? Jaylen herz, who has 52 rushing touchdowns in his last 52 games that mattered. And the NFL's trying to ban a play because it works too well at the goal line. Like it's the easiest thing in football. So knowing that it's an advantage. So like the mathematically it's caught up. But that's not the point. The point is if you root like, like me for the New York Giants or the Cleveland Browns or the Indianapolis Colts or the New Orleans Saints and you have to watch these shitty quarterbacks every week, the whole reason you play fantasy football is escapism from your own shitty team. And if you can sign up for 150 hours over the course of 17 Sundays and Lamar Jackson gets to be on your team, that's the whole reason we do this, is I want to skate my shitty team. And so I will just say, highly recommend having Josh Allen on your team or Lamar Jackson on your team or Jen Daniels on your team. If like, if your team sucks, like I can't. There is no way to quantify that, but it's the only thing that will help you.
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Craig Krolczyk
The psychological feeling of having one of these guys too is so great because if you're actually watching the game that they're in, like the final minute, they could score another 15 points, you know what I mean? Like, like the two minute drill, they're running around, they're scrambling, they could get a touchdown they could go to overtime. You're like, it just. You feel like you could be God. You like, you know the, the line from wedding crashes, like they were looking at me like God. And you know what? I kind of felt like I felt like I did turn into.
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Danny Kanell
You basically just get to be a fan of like one of the best teams in the NFL for the season.
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Craig Krolczyk
Right?
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Danny Kelly
Why would you not have Josh Allen be your quarterback if you could do. If you could like the idea that you're like, you know what? No, I'd rather have Breeze hall on my fantasy team. No, you wouldn't.
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Craig Krolczyk
There's so many other quarterbacks that you're just like, ah, like depending on game script or whatever. You're like, I'm fucked.
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Danny Kanell
Yeah, well. And it's.
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Craig Krolczyk
This guy's going to give me five.
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Danny Kanell
Points, 100% or 12 points. It's like the safest, warmest feeling you could have waking up Sunday morning being like, Josh Allen's playing the Panthers.
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Danny Kelly
I know this is dumb and maybe this isn't like the sharpest analysis, but there is something about the entire pregame package like, Josh Allen's on the goddamn poster. And you're like, that's my guy.
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Danny Kanell
You get a lot of. You get. Your quarterback is in like the most nationally televised games. You're getting Monday night, Sunday night, you're getting all that fun points for a commercial.
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Danny Kelly
We, and I understand that, like, you know what's fun? Winning is fun. But you know what? So we have our rankings. I made my rankings very specific. I have 21 guys that I would take above them. And then I listed those four quarterbacks. Two 22, 23, 24, 25. So like, in our rankings, I would. My only quibbles, we have Bucky Irving right in front of Josh Allen. No, I love Bucky Irving. No fucking way am I taking Bucky Irving before Josh if they're both there. I'm like, I need Josh Allen on my team because I don't think I'm sacrificing that much because again, he's probably going to be a top two quarterback. And also it's just the Giant. I don't want to. Russell Wilson will be my only escape this year. So anyway, that's my rant. And the only other thing I want to say about that tears is that I think Jalen hurts is weirdly undervalued this year. I don't know why, but Jalen hurts. That's probably the guy I'll end up with the most because it's weird. People Are treating him like he's like the black sheep of this four person group.
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Craig Krolczyk
What do you finish first?
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Danny Kelly
Yeah.
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Craig Krolczyk
He had a good day though.
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Danny Kelly
Yeah.
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Danny Kanell
At the end of the year though, he hasn't. But they win the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's, I think they're going to throw more. I think his rushing floor is, I mean, is just as high. Even with Saquon. You also factor in like, potentially you have Saquon taking a step back and they literally ran the ball more than any team in, in years. Last year were leading in games historically last year in the second half, we're not throwing the ball. Like, I think this, the, the passing ceiling for Jalen Hurts is way higher this year. And the rushing floor is just as stable.
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Danny Kelly
Jalen Hurts hasn't had less than 13 rushing touchdowns in a season in four years. Yeah, I just, I, I, the idea again, there are players going ahead of him where I'm like, I just, you know, that's, you can do that. But I will take Jalen Hurts.
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Danny Kanell
Did you see the Sprite commercial with him?
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Danny Kelly
No.
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Craig Krolczyk
No.
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Danny Kanell
Yeah. He's in a new, he's like, I guess like the, the spokesperson for Sprite now. He's like in their new campaign and you can tell they tried so hard to be like, all right, how do we make him interesting?
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Craig Krolczyk
How do we make him out of.
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Danny Kanell
His comfort zone here interesting? And the whole like, idea around the ad is like, he doesn't talk.
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Danny Kelly
That's great.
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Danny Kanell
And it's like, let your game speak for yourself.
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Craig Krolczyk
We got to get Chris Ryan in on this, man. Get Chris Ryan to do the monster truck, like talk for Jalen Hurts. That's how the whole like metal draft started.
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Danny Kanell
The tagline at the end is like, does Sprite make you a better football player? And he goes, no, but it tastes good.
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Craig Krolczyk
It's pretty good, actually.
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Danny Kelly
That's like the other, the other thing about Jalen Hurts too, because he's just total psycho like that. Like, he just is so singularly focused.
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Danny Kanell
And he went to Michael still live in like a two bed apartment, I think.
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Danny Kelly
So he went to Michael Jordan for advice.
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Craig Krolczyk
You better two bedroom, Craig.
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Danny Kanell
I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
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Danny Kelly
He's got.
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Craig Krolczyk
It's a studio with two beds.
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Danny Kelly
Yeah, but, so I, I don't know if this is true, but I believe that there's no confirmation. Jalen Hurts has put on his super bowl ring. I, I don't know if he's opened it. Like they did photos with all the Eagles wearing it. And he just held the box well.
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Danny Kanell
And then in a. In a presser, they asked him, they're like, why aren't you wearing your super bowl ring? And he was like, that was last year. I'm focused on this year.
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Danny Kelly
I think that is so sick.
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Craig Krolczyk
He's like some version. He's like a he. He's the inverse Russell Wilson, but also like just as annoying.
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Danny Kelly
Yeah, well, he's. No, it's so. That's such a good call.
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Craig Krolczyk
His whatever stoicism is like, actually kind of corny.
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Danny Kanell
He. Well, he's like, if Russell Wilson losing, it's corny.
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Danny Kelly
When he's winning, it's pretty cool.
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Danny Kanell
He's like, if Russell Wilson had like swagger.
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Danny Kelly
Yeah, it's. It's like, it's like if Russell Wilson talked. As much as everyone wishes, Russell Wilson would talk. But I will. But he. But again, Jalen hurts. It's annoying when they're losing and you're like a football monk, but when they're winning, Jalen hurts. Goes to Michael Jordan and it's like, ask for advice. And he kind of. He doesn't tell stories, But Jalen hurts. It seems like what Michael Jordan said was, you're not defending. Like, you're not the defending champs. You won the 2024 season that happened and it's 2025, but you're not defending anything. Like, if you lose it, it doesn't matter.
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Danny Kanell
It's object permanence. It's. Yeah, it's season permanence.
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Danny Kelly
Give me the guy who didn't put on the ring and has a play the NFL wants to ban anyway.
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Danny Kanell
I like, I do. Look, while I agree with everything you're saying, I've. It's about having a good quarterback, and the security of that is better than any other feeling of fantasy. I 100% agree with all of that. However, this year I am tempted the most to not get a top four quarterback.
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Danny Kelly
And I totally get it if the.
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Danny Kanell
Price is a little bit high. Like even those mid tier guys that I know, generally we don't, you know, like, that's always trickier going after the like Bo Nix is. The guys going in the Middle east, even those, the Kyler Murray's, Bo Nixes, Patrick Mahomes, Brock Purdy. I am more willing to take those guys than I have been in a while.
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Danny Kelly
That's totally fair. And again, no one has to take that advice. I think the simplest thing I'd say is if the quarterbacks go in the second round, that's too rich. For me, like, if you're using the 18th pick on Josh Allen, like, that's the line for me, 25, 28. That's where I'm like, oh, just give me the quarterback. But you also could might win your league this week, this year. Not doing that. So I want to. That's also the easy tier to talk about. The top four. Everyone else, I think, is where the meat is. So the next one, this is what I have, is the next tier. At first I wrote down just Joe Burrow and then I was like, screw it. And I put Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes in the same tier. Because I almost think that you're lying to yourself if you think Mahomes isn't in that tier with Burrow, where obviously Burrow is expected to be the best passing quarterback. And a purely statistical view of it, like Burrow is obviously expected to just be the most reliable pocket passer. But in my experience, drafting in fantasy football, someone always just takes Mahomes so high that the idea that he wouldn't be taking around Burrow was like, that's not realistic to me. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm overthinking it. But I think. But I could be talked out of it, but I think the tier is either just Joe Burrow or Burrow and Mahomes.
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Danny Kanell
I don't think he should be in there. I don't have him in there. I have him in the next one. I have. I have Burrow in a tier of his own. Because here's my question for you, dk. If you're staring there, if it's the fourth, fifth round, whatever it is, if Burrow and Mahomes are sitting there, is there any world in which you're taking Mahomes over Burrow?
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Danny Kelly
No. Yeah, yeah. I'm not either.
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Craig Krolczyk
That's a fair point. I was, I was going to kind of. I was kind of on high here. More like just aesthetically it's a. Like the tier is, you know, pocket.
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Danny Kanell
Passers, the two best pocket passers in the league that.
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Craig Krolczyk
Pocket passers who could throw 50 touchdowns. It wouldn't really shock you, right? But. No, but I think you're right, Craig. I would definitely way rather have Burrow.
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Danny Kanell
I do think this is a great, like, buy low Mahomes year. However, I still think that he should be at the tier below.
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Craig Krolczyk
Okay, so do you put Mahomes in his own career too?
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Danny Kanell
That. No, no, I think Mahomes is with a tier below.
- [23:29]
Craig Krolczyk
Okay.
- [23:29]
Danny Kanell
Personally, I'm.
- [23:30]
Danny Kelly
I'm fine with that because I originally had. And we have Burrow way higher too. So I just kind of looked at it and was like, am I lying to myself about how my drafts will actually go? Someone's going to take him. But you're right. And again, Burrow led the NFL in past attempts. Pass completions, passing yards, passing touchdowns. Some idiots last year were like worried about whether his wrist would be good. I don't know what those people were thinking thinking.
- [23:45]
Craig Krolczyk
But I just, I look at Mahomes just to linger on my homes for a minute here. The last two seasons he's averaged 17 points per game.
- [23:53]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, he hasn't been a top 10 quarterback each of the last two years.
- [23:56]
Danny Kelly
And.
- [23:56]
Craig Krolczyk
But going before that, before that real quick, 24 points per game, 21 points per game, 25 points per game, 20 points per game, 26 points per game. That was the previous five.
- [24:06]
Danny Kanell
Yeah. You have different situation, better offensive line. You have Tyree Kill, you have prime Travis Kelce. The way they were defending the Chiefs was different back then. A lot has changed. And I think this year you would make the case that, that his targets are the best they've been in in a while. However, we now might have a Rasheed Rice suspension for four to six games. The offensive line is a question mark. And then you're looking at like the last year of Travis Kelce, Xavier Worthy. You know, there's not Marquis Brown, there's not as much going on. I like it, but I don't know if I love it.
- [24:34]
Danny Kelly
Well, I, I'm torn. I don't know because. And again I, I think you're Craig convinced me. I think Burrow should be his own tier. But I do think it's get to tier three here and I have basically Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray for the Cardinals, Bo Nicks for the Broncos, Justin Fields for the Jets.
- [24:47]
Danny Kanell
I think this is correct.
- [24:48]
Danny Kelly
Really funny to have Patrick Mahomes in a tier with Justin Fields in anything which is hilarious other than Bears quarterbacks that should have been. But I will say about Mahomes, I think you're both right. You're right that Mahomes has not been as prolific of a passer. And like the last couple years, I mean honestly, ever since defenses we kept saying two high safeties. But where defenses really did is they just moved a run defender into the pass game. And ever since they did that and the Chiefs skimped at receiver and skipped it left tackle. The Chiefs, Mahomes became like Alex Smith, if he was cool like Alex Smith in his last Season's chief starter was pushing the ball significantly further downfield on average than Mahomes was the last few seasons. However. And I think this could be one of the biggest developments of the year. I think the Chiefs. There's a chance the Chiefs offense looks more like it did five years ago since. Since closest to having Tyreek kill this season than they have since. In the three years since they got rid of Tyreek Hill for everything Craig just listed. Basically they have Josh Simmons, the rookie at Ohio State, at left tackle. And I'm not saying, you know, I think you should always be careful when.
- [25:49]
Danny Kanell
People the reports seem to be glowing about him.
- [25:51]
Danny Kelly
That's the thing. Like rookie coming off an injury, I'm a little dubious left tackle. But I'm like, but everyone's saying he's good. And I'm like, all right. I. I want to see it in a game like I don't love. It's like, okay, cool. They just put on padded practices. Calm down. But the combo of more left tackle help Jalen Moore, that could compete him with you want to at right time. The offensive line should be improved, which is always in theory. But the combo of the receiver head thing has been such a shoestring and bubble gum where just like look at last year. Rasheed Rice was supposed to be a huge part of the team. And you know, Mahomes blew his. Rashee Rice's knee out in the first three or four weeks.
- [26:22]
Danny Kanell
Marquis Brown, Mahomes cooked rice.
- [26:24]
Danny Kelly
Mahomes cooked Rice. Marquis Brown was supposed to be a first round pick, was supposed to be a part of the Chiefs offense. And he hurt a shoulder like immediately in training camp. Barely practiced, didn't play at all till like December. Didn't even practice till December. So. And then so Xavier Worthy, a rookie was just like thrown into fire this season. I know Rasheed Wright suspended, but he's able to practice with the team, which matters. Xavier Worthy is leveled up and you have all these guys. And so Matt Nagy, who's the Chief's offensive coordinator, said a couple months ago he said this about the super bowl where incredibly my bet for Xavier Worthy to score two touchdowns cashed, which was really funny when it was like 40 nothing but so Matt Nagy said at the end of the Eagles game, I know the score wasn't what we wanted, but there was a pretty good throw there at the end of the year, which he said the 50 yard touchdown Xavier Worthy. And he said, I think we're excited to get back to some of that and all that's to say, I think the Chiefs are fucking tired of this dink and dunk shit and they want to go back to hitting dingers. And I think they're going to try to hit more dingers.
- [27:18]
Craig Krolczyk
Socking some dingers.
- [27:20]
Danny Kelly
Sock and dingers. And so if that means you can get Patrick Mahomes 75th in your draft and Xavier Worthy, like 54th in your draft, I think there's a world where Worthy, Rice, Mahomes, like, you just can stack the Chiefs this year, which is kind of crazy to think about. If they go back to that, that would be pretty fascinating.
- [27:39]
Danny Kanell
I do agree that this is the right time to buy low on Mahomes. It was. Everybody said it was last year because it was a down year in fantasy, but they also won the super bowl this year. They're coming off a super embarrassing loss. It's Patrick Mahomes. I agree with you that the receiving court should be the best it's been since Tyreek Hill left this year, even with the Rice suspension. And just like the fuck you Chiefs, the fuck you Mahomes narrative I like, am fully buying in on. So, yeah, I do agree with you, but I still think, you know, you can say all that stuff. There's a lot riding on Xavier Worthy being great.
- [28:15]
Danny Kelly
I like Worthy. I think I'm. I'm the only person in the world who's. I think I'm actually realizing I'm. I'm like the biggest Xavier Worthy guy. And I don't think I intended to be, but I just look at rankings that I'm like, I'm definitely the highest on this person. I think you're worthy is. Is Kirkland Brand, desean Jackson. I think he's got the speed, the ball tracking route running like again, Deshaun, it's not enough to be fast. You have to be able to track the ball like a center fielder. I think Xavier Worthy can do it, and I think I'm the only person who thinks that.
- [28:38]
Danny Kanell
Well, he was out of bounds for half his catches last year, so he needs to be a little bit better at that.
- [28:42]
Danny Kelly
Well, here you go.
- [28:43]
Craig Krolczyk
Get him a warning track.
- [28:44]
Danny Kelly
There we go. We're going to get him a warning track.
- [28:46]
Craig Krolczyk
Center.
- [28:46]
Danny Kanell
You know that Xavier Worthy. Despite Rasheed Rice leaving in week four, Xavier Worthy never had more than 80 receiving yards in a game last year. In a. In a regular, no, but once you.
- [28:55]
Danny Kelly
Include this, the playoffs. But here's the thing. It's his rookie year.
- [28:57]
Danny Kanell
He did it once in the playoffs.
- [28:59]
Danny Kelly
But the same thing happened with Rasheed Rice because Rasheed Rice. Look at Rasheed Rice's rookie year. Before Thanksgiving. He didn't do shit. Everything happened after Thanksgiving. Like, you have to get like Matt. I mean, honestly, if. If you want to have a worthy conversation, basically we could do that. On the Receivers episode, But in short, Matt Nagy talked about this where last year, Xavier Worthy. You're not seeing an offense. You're just trying to like, like get the snap counts right. And like, you're just, what route do I run? What do these words mean? And he's like, Xavier's in two oh one now where he's understand seeing defenses, seeing coverages. And then the third level is, can you do it on. Can you see what Pat sees? That's the next thing he's working, which is a huge jump. That's where Rasheed Rice was last year. So anyway, I'm a big believer in him.
- [29:36]
Danny Kanell
But you're. But you have to combine that with Rasheed Rice. Let's say he comes back week four, five, six, whatever. Like, it will be Rasheed Rice. It will be a healthy Marquis Brown and Xavier Worthy. Last year it was no Marquis Brown, no Rashee Rice.
- [29:49]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, but he's rookie. I mean, again, but Xavier Worthy is going around like Sam Laporta.
- [29:54]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, that kind of sounds.
- [29:56]
Danny Kelly
I like Sabreworthy, but anyway, any other guys in this tier, you guys want to talk about? Dk? We have the other guys in this tier. Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Bonex, Justin Fields.
- [30:04]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, I mean, I think Kyler Murray to me is. Is a tough one to evaluate because I think he has the skill set and I don't know about talent, but he has the skill set to be in that top tier.
- [30:17]
Danny Kelly
However, what is the difference to you between talent, skill set?
- [30:23]
Craig Krolczyk
I think. Okay, that's a good question, actually. I don't know. I would say Kyler is just much more inconsistent.
- [30:31]
Danny Kelly
I don't know.
- [30:31]
Craig Krolczyk
Like, I don't think he's as good of a pocket passer as any of the other guys in that top tier. Maybe he'd be like right there with. With Hertz, but in theory. So, like, theoretically, I think he could. He has the speed, explosiveness, and when I say skill set, I mean like, he. He could run a lot.
- [30:48]
Danny Kelly
He's too short to be a conventional pocket passer. It seems like Russell Wilson, like, he can't necessarily drop back and play from an offense. Like he's 6 foot 5.
- [30:55]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah.
- [30:56]
Danny Kelly
But he's a 99th percentile scrambler arm talent.
- [30:58]
Craig Krolczyk
I think it's. It's tough because I feel like if he wanted to, he could be in that top tier of fantasy quarterbacks if he wanted to. But he continually, every off season talks about how he doesn't want to run and he gets hurt.
- [31:10]
Danny Kelly
I hate running too.
- [31:11]
Craig Krolczyk
And he gets hurt a lot, so.
- [31:13]
Danny Kanell
Well, and he also was in that like 2021, he was the QB4, 2022, he was the QB7.
- [31:18]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah.
- [31:18]
Danny Kelly
So we tore his AC and then he tore his.
- [31:21]
Craig Krolczyk
So I, I'm talking theoretically not ACL just.
- [31:24]
Danny Kelly
Or. Yeah, no, it was an acl.
- [31:25]
Danny Kanell
Yeah.
- [31:26]
Craig Krolczyk
Theoretically this year I think he could leapfrog, burrow and be in that top tier of like the quote unquote dual threat quarterbacks, guys that can rush for either a thousand yards or ten plus touchdowns or both. But he's probably not gonna. Would be kind of like how I see it, you know what I mean? Like I don't trust him to do that. So he's a little bit lower on the hierarchy. But he's gonna be a guy I target actually if I miss out on that top tier because he has that upside, he has that potential. He's an incredible scrambler. And it sounds like he's like fully healthy now after, you know, kind of. It takes like a year to fully come back and get like the confidence back as a runner and all that. And he's finally back, I think to, to, you know, normal health, regular health and.
- [32:07]
Danny Kanell
And he's the year after.
- [32:09]
Craig Krolczyk
Right, so.
- [32:11]
Danny Kelly
Well, you know, you're after the year after, the year after.
- [32:14]
Danny Kanell
No. Didn't he get hurt 2023, 2022.
- [32:19]
Craig Krolczyk
Is that right?
- [32:20]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Oh, he says no, he did just say wow, timing yesterday. Says he feels like it did before the ACL tear. He said that yesterday. He said now it feels like it's. He said it's as close as it's going to be.
- [32:34]
Craig Krolczyk
It's the year after, the year after hype.
- [32:36]
Danny Kelly
It's.
- [32:36]
Craig Krolczyk
No, you're right, it is what.
- [32:38]
Danny Kanell
It's confusing because he came back halfway.
- [32:41]
Danny Kelly
Through 2023 bear and also December 2022. This is the. We talk about it is tearing your ACL in December is different than September. So he tore December, probably didn't get surger early January of 23. But he literally said yes, I'll read his words. Kyler Murray said Monday that his right knee was quote, as close as it's going to get, end quote to being back to completely healthy after tearing his ACL December 2022. So last point we say is it takes a while to get the feeling right but that's what you want is you want guys to feel like they did before.
- [33:08]
Danny Kanell
Last season was the first full season he's played since the injury.
- [33:12]
Danny Kelly
So yeah. And again the big picture reason we have these guys in this group. And again so it's Mahomes because he's not with Burrow. But then it's Kyler Bo, Nick Fields. As long as the rules of fantasy are stupid and a rushing yard is worth more than. It's almost three times more than a passing yard. I look at this group as supply and demand as much as anything else I have after this a giant group of pocket passers we can talk about. But I'm like Bo Nicks, Kyler Murray, Justin Fields. Those are just guys that could run for 10 touchdowns and no one would blink. And it's that simple. Like that is what it comes down to. And also we think there's passing upside too.
- [33:43]
Craig Krolczyk
This is like Kyler. I think obviously Josh Allen's so valuable because he's a goal line converter. Kyler Murray actually rushed for more yards than Josh Allen last year, which I don't know if I realize that. You know what I mean? He's, he's more of a scrambler. They're not doing as many designed rushes for him. But I mean again he's just one of those guys that has that upside, has that potential. If he really decides to like are you going to Kyler this year?
- [34:10]
Danny Kanell
I would, I think if it was at the right price I would.
- [34:13]
Danny Kelly
But are, but are you gonna like.
- [34:15]
Danny Kanell
Look, if you're in an auction draft and Josh Allen goes for $58 and I can get Kyler Murray for 30. Yeah.
- [34:21]
Danny Kelly
Two quarterback league you mean?
- [34:23]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, yeah, in a two quarterback league. Super Flex. Whatever. I'm just saying I would take him.
- [34:27]
Craig Krolczyk
In a one QB league too.
- [34:28]
Danny Kanell
You can get him for half the price. Yeah.
- [34:31]
Craig Krolczyk
Like who do you, do you trust Justin Fields more than Kyler Murray?
- [34:36]
Danny Kelly
No, no Fields.
- [34:40]
Craig Krolczyk
And they're like right now according to our ranks we've got them like 12 apart.
- [34:44]
Danny Kelly
Trust is not the worst.
- [34:46]
Craig Krolczyk
So feels one round apart. I'd rather way rather have Murray Justin.
- [34:49]
Danny Kelly
Fields I have here I written down basically. I know he keeps saying this but most rushing yards by a quarterback ever in a single season. Lamar Jackson, 2019. Justin Fields, 2022, Michael Vick, 2006. Those are the three most ever. And again upside with Fields is the rushing and they don't. Todd Taylor I don't think will supplant Justin Fields. He's going to play for Them. And to me it's really simple. I'm not ranking Justin Fields as like the ninth quarterback because I think he will average out as the ninth quarterback. It's supply and demand to me that Justin Fields is one of a handful of people that you think has a very obvious path to being like a top five quarterback. And there's very small amount of players that could do that. And I just small supply. I want to move them up because again, is Justin Fields gonna outdo like Jared Goff? I don't know. But like if he does it. But if Just Fields does outplay Jared Goff, it could be by a lot. But if Jared Goff out plays by Justin Fields, it'll be by little. And that's kind of as simple as it is. Cause if you miss him, Justin Fields, it doesn't really matter and that, you know what I mean? But if you hit, it could matter a lot. And so that's, it's a weird one. But anyway, so that's kind of how I feel about Kyler Bo Nick's Fields. You can also argue Bo Nix is the most underrated guy in this whole tier. Because Bo Nicks, frankly there's overlapping biases. We're biased against seeing him as a rusher because he's white, boring, check down artist, unsexy super senior. Like, like there's just overlapping reasons. We want to ignore him. We didn't believe he should have been drafted as high as he was. I kept calling him Boomer Bow. I didn't like he was old. I didn't like this. I didn't like that a third of his college passes were behind the line of scrimmage. I didn't like that Sean Payton compared him to Patrick Mahomes when he took him in the draft. And yeah, like white dude. Weird to think that, yeah, he's actually a great rusher. He's a really talented runner and I don't want to believe any of those things. And so you could very easily argue that Bo Nicks is higher up rushing upside than Fields, better offense and Sean Payton's his play designer instead of fucking Tanner Angstrand with the Jets. So you could very easily convince me Bo Nick should be the fifth quarterback.
- [36:43]
Danny Kanell
I don't know if he's a higher rushing upside than Fields, but I agree.
- [36:46]
Danny Kelly
With you that upside's the wrong term. Like at me, mean outcome is probably the right way to put it.
- [36:51]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, Nick, See this is why I'm like kind of okay getting a quarterback anywhere. I'm just going to wait Until a guy becomes a value, kind of. Because I think in every tier I can find a guy I really like. Bo Nix is one of them. Bo Nicks, the first two weeks of the season, he was bad. He was, I mean, he was a Rookie from week three on. He put up 20 fantasy points a game. That's like, like Jalen Hurts scored 21. He was one point behind Jalen Hurts. A rookie. Bo Nicks. And they just added Evan ingram. They're bring R.J. harvey. This is, this is only. This is the first year that Bo Nix has the same quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator and head coach since high school. I don't know. Great offensive line.
- [37:33]
Craig Krolczyk
He had more passing touchdowns than Josh Allen.
- [37:36]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. When we do the, when we do the all boring team, I think Bon has to be the quarterback for the all boring team. Like Bonick. Yeah, I, I think Bonix is. If you're a Broncos fan, I would go get him.
- [37:46]
Craig Krolczyk
There's. There's going to be like. For me, I feel like I'm watching. There's a little bit of an element of like I'm watching from the outside. What Russell Wilson was for the Seahawks early in his career where everyone was like, his defense props him up. His, you know, his offensive line is run game or whatever. Like, he's just perfect fit. He's just a scrambler and like he's just getting. He. He's not the reason that the, the Broncos are good. It's like he's good because the Broncos are good. Kind. I feel like that's where I'm going to end up landing with him with Bo Nix. Whereas a lot of people were like that with Russell Wilson in the early part of his career. And I was like, russell Wilson's awesome. What are you talking about? But, but yeah, there, there are those elements there where like his defense is awesome. I think I saw a stat where, you know, like when the, when the Broncos are leading, his EPA is like really good. And when they're behind, it's like horrific. So it's like propped up by his defense. Propped up by whatever. But at the end of the day, he had more passing touchdowns than Josh Allen. Last year he had 29, sixth most in the NFL.
- [38:47]
Danny Kanell
If Andy runs, if Caleb Johnson. Sorry. If Caleb Williams last year had threw for 29 touchdowns, 12 picks, ran for 400 yards and four, we'd be going.
- [38:56]
Danny Kelly
Made the playoffs.
- [38:57]
Danny Kanell
Made the playoffs.
- [38:58]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, we'd be, we'd be losing our minds.
- [39:00]
Craig Krolczyk
So basically, long story short, what I'm saying is I'm admitting My bias a little bit here.
- [39:04]
Danny Kelly
Should we do a freaky Friday where we pretend we read stat lines from a player and then actually it was from a different player? Player.
- [39:11]
Danny Kanell
Yeah. That's great because Caleb Williams. If Caleb Williams had stat line, he'd be like the fifth quarterback off the board this year.
- [39:17]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God. Like if or. Yeah. Yeah. Caleb Williams, 29 touchdowns, 3,775 yard passing yards, which would probably be like top three in Bears history. Honestly.
- [39:27]
Danny Kanell
430 rushing yards, four touchdowns. Maybe playoffs. We'll be going nuts. Bo Nicks were like, is he good?
- [39:33]
Craig Krolczyk
This guy's gonna be a problem.
- [39:35]
Danny Kanell
This problem.
- [39:35]
Danny Kelly
We should hold on.
- [39:37]
Craig Krolczyk
What's the tier here? We got Kyler Nicks Fields and Patrick Mahomes. And Mahomes. And you're not going to include anybody else in that tier?
- [39:45]
Danny Kelly
I will. I'm going to read the next tier and I want you guys to challenge me. This is controversial. Discover Ralph's Club, New York. The new fragrance by Ralph Lauren with black currant, vanilla and sandalwood. This scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like the city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York. Ralph Lauren Shop now at Macy's dot com. Discover Ralph's Club New York. The new fragrance by Ralph Lauren with blackcurrant vanilla and sandalwood. This scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like a city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York. Ralph Lauren Shop now@macy's.com I have in the next. So again, just to recap the tier so far, the top four, we have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Jen Daniels. Elite rushing quarterbacks. Tier 5. Tier 2 is just Joe Burrow, the best pocket pastor. Tier 3, we have Mahomes and then Kyler, Bo Nix, Justin Fields. Guys who have high rushing upsets. Here is my tier four, which is I. I called it. Pocket passers. Choose your fighter and you could rank these guys. I'm not you. Any order you want. I won't disagree. But here's the order I put them. I have Brock Purdy for the Niners, Baker Mayfield for the Bucks. Caleb Williams for the Bears. Jared Goff for the Lions. Justin Herbert for the Chargers. Drake Bay for the Patriots. Trevor Lord. Sorry. Dak Prescott for the Cowboys.
- [41:17]
Danny Kanell
C.J.
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Danny Kelly
Stroud for the Texans. Jordan Love for the Packers. I have not. I have 10 or 10 players in that tier. And I would love to hear the argument that those guys aren't all roughly the same. And it is just an order of how much you believe in them, their team, the offense, the situation, which is like, I think Brock Purdy should be the head of the tier and I think Baker should be second. But you could tell me Dak Prescott should be the 13th quarterback or 18th. You could tell me Drake May should be 11th. I'll hear anything, but I have it as a giant gluttony. And that tier to me frankly informs my entire draft strategy this year to what Craig's saying where I'm like, I, I just want the cheapest of any of these guys. Whoever's the Dak falls to me, Jordan Love, I'll take any of these guys, I don't care.
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Danny Kanell
It doesn't have to be the cheapest. When I see this tier, I'm like the, like the guy I like the most in this tier you can get at a reasonable price. And I think that they offer like top seven potential. Like to me, I really don't know what the difference is between Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield going into this year. They're going to be ranked 100%.
- [42:14]
Danny Kelly
Agree.
- [42:14]
Danny Kanell
Very like far apart. Dak in 2023 was the QB4. Baker in 2024 the QB4. A great way to look at quarterbacks and to see like regression. What what their year looked like compared to what it normally is is just look at touchdown rate, which is like what percentage of their throws were touchdowns. Baker Mayfield last year, 7.2 touchdown rate, which is extremely high. The league average is 4 1/2. Baker had not previously had a season over 5.3. He was 7.2 last year. Like just looking at that as like a natural regression point is a great way to kind of understand. And meanwhile Dak Prescott had the lowest of his career last year and prior to that was at an MVP level and he was around 6% the three years before that. And so I'm like, I don't know. These are two teams with great passing options with good offensive lines. I don't know why Baker Mayfield, who just had a career that something he's never done before, should be so much higher than a guy like Dak Prescott who kind of has done this multiple times.
- [43:07]
Danny Kelly
I totally the best analogy and I'm stealing it. JG Zacharizen, who does great work late Round Fantasy and JJ Zacharies and describes as like a handicap. If Baker Mayfield had never thrown 30 touchdown passes in his season. 30 and then last year he throws 40, why would you expect him to throw 40? It's like if you're a 90 handicap in golf and you shoot an 80, you don't go out and expect to shoot an 80. You're probably gonna expect to shoot a 90. So I'm gonna go ahead and expect that Baker Mayfield's gonna have under about 30 or under touchdown passes, and it's that simple. But I totally agree. And I think the point you made, Craig, is I think my favorite, which is pick which one of these guys you believe in the most and go with that guy. So if you're like, I think the Niners are obviously a playoff team, way better. Like, I believe the Niners is your get Brock Birdie. If you think the Lions are being counted out, like, take Jared Goff. If you think Drake May is the truth and the Patriots are going to make the playoffs under variable and he's going to be so much better with Josh McDaniels. Take Drake May. If you believe in Liam Cohen and the Jags, like, I'd rather have Liam Cohen, who was Baker Mayfield's coordinator with the Jags for half the price. Take Trevor Lawrence. But it's very much choose your fighter. So with that said, dk, which of these guys do you want roughly at cost? Because there's again, Herdy, Dak, Prescott, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Drake May, Justin Herbert. Like, which of these guys Jordan love? Trevor Lawrence. Who of these guys do you want to bet on? Roughly? Yeah, roughly available?
- [44:23]
Craig Krolczyk
I. Yeah, this is really tough because, so like, while you were talking, I was kind of like formulating. We've talked about this a lot in the past, like the coward rankings or whatever, the non cowardly rankings where like, if you really get down to brass tacks, what's the fucking difference between Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, some of these other. Jordan loves C.J. stroud.
- [44:45]
Danny Kelly
That's why I put him in a tier.
- [44:46]
Craig Krolczyk
I'm like, my point was I left out Drake May, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. Because you just got done with a whole tier called guys that can run, Right? We added Mahomes, but I mean, at the end of the day, it's Murray, Nick's Fields. And the reason they're ranked there and Fields is kind of sticking out like a sore thumb here. The reason they're ranked here is because they run. And in reality, like, I would rather have a guy who can run over, like, you know, trying to decide to play whack a mole over which one of those quarterbacks is going to pass for 35 touchdowns this year. You know what I mean? Like, Maybe Baker Mayfield will do it. Maybe. Maybe this year Justin Herbert will do it. Maybe it's Jared Goffic. Maybe it's Jordan Love. I don't know, like C.J. stroud. Maybe he'll have a great year. But these, most of these guys are wholly dependent on passing for a ton of yards and a ton of touchdowns. Whereas if you're chasing. If, like, if we're getting real honest here, I think I would rather have Kayla Williams or Brock Purdy or Trevor Lawrence, because these guys are rushing the way that they rush. And honestly, this is ridiculous, of course, but you could throw in Bryce Young, who scrambles a ton. These guys are rushing for four point. Like, they're averaging like 4.3, three to four points a game just from running or scrambling.
- [46:06]
Danny Kelly
Can I ask you a question then? I think that's a great point, dk. I like the way you put it. Whack a mole. It's like, maybe there's so many pocket passers. Then like, well, what are actually the odds you pick the right one? Kind of low. But we. And that's the reason rushing quarterbacks change everything. It's not just that they score more points. It's that you know, who's fast and who's not. So with that said, so I think the.
- [46:22]
Craig Krolczyk
Sorry to interrupt you, but real quick. It's like the reason we're ranking these guys in order is because. In this order is because we're cowards. We probably should just be ranking like, K. Like, we should probably be ranking these pocket passers, like, really late. And then the guy, anybody who can even remotely run, like, higher than them.
- [46:36]
Danny Kelly
Well, I don't want to. I'm not going to call you because I. Yeah, I agree. I have.
- [46:40]
Craig Krolczyk
I mean, I'm calling myself later. I'm just like, I didn't have these rankings.
- [46:44]
Danny Kelly
So here's my question, though, for you, Drake May. I have some Drake May rushing stats here, if you want. Should we just put Drake May ranked 10th among quarterbacks? Because right after people, everyone puts out their projections of here's how we think the season's gonna go. And then you look at your projections and you apply, like, common sense, because projections are kind of like, you know, what could happen. But then you also need to factor in ceiling and upside. Upside kind of matters more. And you apply context and then also, like, what actually matters. But then you look, Drake May is being projected for somewhere between the 13th and 18th quarterback. But to what you're saying, the difference is we know he can run. So it's you know how easy it is to pair Drake May with Jordan Love. You know, easy it is to pair Drake May with. With CJ Str.
- [47:28]
Craig Krolczyk
Take your pocket passer Goff Geno Smith. That's like undressed.
- [47:31]
Danny Kelly
So with the supply and demand of it of like we know that the odds of pocket passer between the quarter, the 12th quarterback and the 23rd quarterback, the odds of picking the right one are like the same. It doesn't matter. With that said, should we actually just do supply and demand and put Drake May 10, Caleb Williams 11th and then all the pocket path and then Brock Purdy, even though he probably has better chances of beating them. He should probably be 12th.
- [47:54]
Danny Kanell
Probably. I mean, Drake May, he is by far my favorite late round guy to draft. I mean, he ran for 420 yards last year on one designed run. He basically just did that, improvising and scrambling on a terrible team. And now he has a new offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, who was the offensive coordinator in New England with Cam Newton. They have both said that they wanted to recreate that style of rushing ability with Drake May. Drake May. Cam Newton is Drake May's favorite quarterback. If you just extrapolate out when Drake May came in him scoring or him rushing for 420 yards in the games he played, that immediately extrapolates like 600, 700 yards. And if you start factoring in the use of him in the red zone, the designing plays for him, six, 700 yards rushing and you know, six to eight touchdowns immediately puts him in an elite tier of quarterback rushing. That's like Josh Allen is rushing for those yards every year or maybe even less. So if you factor in the fact that Will Campbell comes in at left tackle, that, you know, they, they did their best with the receiver room, which isn't that great, but it is improved. You have a better team. I mean, in terms of upside, Drake May might have 800 yards rushing this year and nine touchdowns. And next year he will be one of the top six quarterbacks you draft because of his rushing floor.
- [49:07]
Danny Kelly
And it's a little scary because you're talking about taking Drake May 90, taking Drake May 100th but the reality is, all right, you can, you can get your in love like 130th or something like, and if Drake May really sucks, and you know what, he's won one game in his career, Drake May starts like, all right. If Drake May really sucks and we overhyped him, like, all right, like you have Geno 2 flavors.
- [49:28]
Danny Kanell
Take two guys down there.
- [49:29]
Danny Kelly
And so yeah, so I, I, I, I, I think just the supply and demand of it makes sense. It's just so I, I agree. Right.
- [49:35]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, I think and it's like for our professional, like for our professional rankings, we're going to put the guys who have kind of scored around the same amount of points every year for their careers or whatever because they're safe. Those are the floor picks. But if you're in a one quarterback league in particular, like those guys don't really help you that much. They, they're not going to win you your league.
- [49:55]
Danny Kelly
No.
- [49:55]
Craig Krolczyk
You want guys that are going to score 20 points a game. You know what I mean? And so, and I mean you could throw Caleb Williams into there. Obviously he was horrific in his rookie year most of the time and I had him on a team last year there was, he had I think three or four or five games where he scored over 20 points. He was awesome. But then he had a bunch of games where he scored like seven or five and it was a, it was an absolute disaster. Obviously you can't have that again. But if, if you know Ben Johnson is, is as good as we think he is, that floor is going to be raised for Caleb Williams in theory and he could still have the, he already showed us that he has that upside. He rushed for almost 500 yards just because he was scrambling around so much. So these are the types of decisions I think you have to make in the, in if you're in that area, if you're shopping in that, that aisle for a quarterback you can play whack a mole with CJ Stroud and some of the Jared Goff and some of these pocket could throw for 35, 40 touchdowns. Yes, they could and they might end up scoring, but you have to pick the right one and that can be kind of hard. And most of the time these guys are probably not going to have still even the same type of upside as these Russian quarterbacks. So again, Heifet's always decry or what is it. You just like moan and, and hate the fact that like rushing is a cheat code or whatever in fantasy football.
- [51:06]
Danny Kelly
Need to figure out something.
- [51:07]
Craig Krolczyk
You bemoan we shouldn't be arbitraging this. Yeah, but I mean it's, it's the reality. It is a cheat code. And so it's just so much better to have one of those guys that could score 25 points a game because he's running around scoring rushing touchdowns too.
- [51:20]
Danny Kelly
I think. Yeah, I, for league setups, my simple fix would Be like rushing first down should probably worth half a point. But like it should just be lumped in with passing yards for quarterbacks. And like if you get the first down, cool. But like for anyway don't get me started. But overall, and this is maybe a bad analogy and maybe I'll retire it, never use again. But I think overall pocket passers are like if you're hitting a baseball with a wooden bat when you're in a softball league and maybe you're like, oh, I'm going to use a torpedo bat or use some other bat. It's like, you know what you're not, you're probably gonna hit when you hit the rushing quarterbacks are like metal bats. And it's like if you connect, you're gonna hit it so much further. But also even weak contact is probably get you hit like Justin Fields. Even weak contact with Justin Fields, even a light like he's gonna get you on base.
- [52:00]
Craig Krolczyk
And I think scramble, a scramble situation where the protection completely breaks down. He ends up running around for five seconds. He picks up eight yards on a scramble. It's a disaster of a play or whatever. He picks up three yards on a scramble. It's a disaster of a play. That's still a positive play. In fantasy. It's like so funny how that works.
- [52:16]
Danny Kelly
So with that said, my next tier here, which is the last person that would draft in a one quarterback league is Anthony Richardson, who I think is a one man tier. Again, he probably sucks, might lose his job. I don't want to just repeat myself in every episode, but it's the quarterback tier episode. So I will just, just say I think Anthony Richardson's the most obvious by low by the dip player I've ever seen in fantasy football. This is a player that we talked ourselves into for the upside case, going as a top 60 player last year purely for upside. He's fallen 140 spots. Basically he's undrafted and yet all the upside is untouched. Remains exactly the same. There's not one argument upside wise for Anthony Richardson that we made last year that doesn't apply this year. The downside's different, but the downside's priced in. And that's the simplest thing. I'll say the downside for Anthony Richardson of well, he might not play and when he does play he might suck is why he's going undrafted. The upside is not priced in. And so I think the last pick of your drafts, as long as it's possible, should be Anthony Richardson. Because again the week one test, if Anthony Richardson Plays in week one and looks great for one half. You're going to feel so stupid for not picking him 17 times in a row.
- [53:26]
Danny Kanell
Maybe one whole game, maybe one.
- [53:30]
Danny Kelly
There.
- [53:30]
Craig Krolczyk
I want to see him get through one whole game.
- [53:32]
Danny Kanell
I need him to play a great entire game.
- [53:35]
Danny Kelly
But that's why I like the week one test. Because you know what? Maybe it's actually more like I actually need a quarter into, like, week two.
- [53:41]
Danny Kanell
Yeah.
- [53:42]
Danny Kelly
Like, I need Scott Hansen on Red Zone to come and be like, look what Anthony Richard just did. Career turnaround. And it's like him hitting Alec Pierce. But it's like week two and you're like, oh, God, I didn't take that guy 17 times in a row because he was tired for one snap last year.
- [53:55]
Danny Kanell
Just remember, season or week one last year, he threw the greatest throw I saw the entire season.
- [54:01]
Danny Kelly
I know. I'm just saying again, I know I sound like an idiot talking about Anthony Richardson, but I'm like, he's your last pick pick. How often do you hold on to your last pick?
- [54:08]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, with the price, I completely agree.
- [54:11]
Danny Kelly
And anyway, so I, I, I'm gonna repeat myself over and over. I know people are probably gawking if they haven't heard me do this before, but it's just like, it, it's. He has scored a rushing touchdown in two thirds of his games and he's undrafted.
- [54:24]
Craig Krolczyk
So anyway, I think, by the way, and this is the type of, this is a perfect example of, like, what happens during the summer in, in fantasy football and like, ADP tracking ADPs. Like, like there was a couple weeks there where it was very obvious Daniel Jones is going to be the starter. Everyone's saying it basically as a fact. Daniel Jones is. He's going to be a starter for this team. Like, he's, he's going to be the starter. At the last week, that is completely flipped. I. Everything I've seen is like, Anthony Richardson has been really good in practice, or at least surprisingly good, maybe put it that way. And now everyone's like, oh, Anthony Richardson, he's winning. He's winning the job. Like, he's going to start.
- [54:59]
Danny Kelly
He.
- [54:59]
Craig Krolczyk
And honestly, by the way, the Colts are very motivated for Anthony Richardson to be good. Right? Like, it's a huge, huge failure on their part if they have to start Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, they really want Anthony Richardson to be good. And if he is even, like, remotely slightly better than Daniel Jones, he's going to start.
- [55:16]
Danny Kelly
I dk. I wish I had harped on that more myself. Like Chris Ballard, the Colts GM waited five years basically after Andrew look retired to draft a quarterback. And every year it was like, well, when I draft a quarterback, it's going to be tick tock on my career. So I want to get the right one. Anthony Richardson being a flame out and Daniel Jones, who the Giants cut in the middle of last year being their quarterback is a failure. And Chris Ballard will probably be fired at the end of the year if Daniel Jones actually has to play because Anthony Richardson's that bad. Like they need him to be good to save all their jobs. Their jobs do depend on him getting better. That is plan A. I think Craig.
- [55:48]
Craig Krolczyk
Said this maybe a couple shows ago. He's like, no one's risen higher in the ranks with without doing anything the last few months than Daniel Jones is literally just not Anthony Richardson.
- [55:58]
Danny Kelly
It's the epitome of like PR101. Just go away and like, like don't.
- [56:01]
Craig Krolczyk
Do anything and you're gonna ride.
- [56:03]
Danny Kelly
This makes the heart grow fonder. As a Giants fan, I heard everything everyone said about Daniel Jones when that was playing. No one would shut up about how much they hated watching.
- [56:10]
Craig Krolczyk
Right. And that's.
- [56:12]
Danny Kelly
Everyone loves him.
- [56:13]
Craig Krolczyk
Training camp starts and all the beat writers are like, oh God, Daniel Jones.
- [56:16]
Danny Kanell
Is that meme of the guy just pointing at himself in the couch like me? Oh. Just accidentally became important at my job.
- [56:23]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, dude, that's the opening line is super bad. You ever see Daniel Jones on his own? Not for me, not for me.
- [56:31]
Craig Krolczyk
But so to bottom, bottom line, I don't think the Anthony Richardson hype is stupid, especially at the cost. Like he doesn't cost you that much.
- [56:37]
Danny Kanell
It's all about the cost.
- [56:38]
Danny Kelly
In my perfect draft, I am getting a one of the top four quarterbacks perfectly. Josh Allen. But realistically, Jalen Hurts in the fourth round and I can get a couple receivers and a running back or some. Something like Brock Bowers, you know, like a crazy first three picks. And then I get Jalen Hurts Hammer Running back, receiver 10. And my last pick is Anthony Richardson and I have Jalen Hurts and Anthony Richardson at quarterback with my fourth pick in my last pick. And I'm like, I'm going to win this fucking league.
- [57:06]
Craig Krolczyk
Pure sex right there. Yeah.
- [57:08]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. That's my perfect draft.
- [57:09]
Craig Krolczyk
And then what's the inverse of that? If you had. If, if you miss out on the first couple guys and someone just goes out of left field and takes Anthony Richardson and you. And basically you're forced to take a middle of the pack quarterback, which one do you like the most?
- [57:24]
Danny Kanell
Drake May.
- [57:25]
Craig Krolczyk
I would take Drake May and then probably Justin Fields for high Fitz. Right?
- [57:28]
Danny Kelly
I like Justin Fields. I. The dislocated toe. I mean, maybe it doesn't matter.
- [57:32]
Craig Krolczyk
That's tough.
- [57:33]
Danny Kelly
I keep thinking about how I'm like betting on the jets and Justin Fields and I'm like, is that stupid?
- [57:38]
Danny Kanell
I also think Drake May could be like, awesome. Like, we know Justin Fields is not awesome. We know that Fields.
- [57:45]
Danny Kelly
Fields got priced. Like you're betting, you're betting on. It's a little problem.
- [57:48]
Craig Krolczyk
You're not any good.
- [57:49]
Danny Kelly
You're betting on Fields to have a Darnold, like resurrection is the other end of it. And I'm like, Darnold had so much infrastructure. Like, ain't no Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Hawkinson and offensive, you know, like in New York, like that or Kevin o' Connell and so kind of. I also just thought Fields would be priced differently. Like, I kind of thought there was a chance Fields might go like 120th, which is at that point like J.K. dobbins, you know, like, oh, like, you know, those are. Javante Williams is going above that and I was like, oh, and that. But he's going. Justin fields might go 90th or higher. And I'm like, at that point I'm like, now I'm betting on the jets and I didn't want it. That wasn't my intention.
- [58:23]
Craig Krolczyk
I High Fitz. I mean, obviously, like, I know that you've been saying this forever, but it is ringing true to me right now in this moment that it's funny that we spend all this time thinking about quarterbacks and in real life football, like guys like Justin Herbert, C.J. stroud, I don't know, like some of these Pocket Pastors. Matt Stafford, for instance.
- [58:42]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [58:42]
Craig Krolczyk
Like, I would so much rather have one of these guys as my quarterback play football. You know what I mean? Like, I would be doing backflips if one of these guys was the starter for my team.
- [58:51]
Danny Kanell
Of course.
- [58:52]
Craig Krolczyk
And then. But like, meanwhile we're talking about like, you know, freaking Anthony Richardson or whoever these running quarterbacks are rushing. Yeah. And I, and I, I understand it like in this moment, I'm like, this.
- [59:03]
Danny Kanell
Is silly, but it's also, it's kind of, kind of awesome, you know, it's like kind of fun because it's so chaotic.
- [59:10]
Danny Kelly
I, I think that it would. I just think that you should be. The missing piece in fantasy is you should be rewarded for first downs. Right. And it would be yard for quarterbacks yards. And first down should be the same thing like it doesn't like they should just all and it's. If you're able to get it by rushing, that's sick. But you should be rewarded because you were not able to do it by passing. It's not worth more like that's insane. The point is you made something out of nothing. That's the value anyway. We don't have that argument now. No, I know.
- [59:37]
Craig Krolczyk
I'm not trying to make that argument. I'm not trying to have that argument. I just, I am, I'm feeling in this moment I understand you a little bit. I'm having some empathy for you. That means I appreciate that. Still it is, it is still the reality and this is why we're having this discussion.
- [59:49]
Danny Kelly
The last tier I want to hit here is basically if you're in a super flex league, guys that I would classify as like really high end third quarterbacks or totally serviceable second quarterbacks which is I just put them all together. Tua Michael Pennix for the Falcons, Stafford for the Rams, Bryce Young for the Panthers, J.J. mcCarthy for the Vikings, Gino Smith for the Raiders, Darnold for the Seahawks, now Cam Ward even for the Titans. Yeah, you could convince me in a different order. You could convince me J.J. mcCarthy should be at the top of that tier. You could convince me two I should be higher. I, I personally just don't I to led the league in passing yards a couple years ago. Wasn't even that high in fantasy. But I think McCarthy, Gino, you convince me of these guys but I'm like if that's your third guy you're cooking and if that's your second guy I think you're fine. And so in super flex I'm happy with all those guys. And basically if you have like Daniel Jones, Joe Flacker or Tyler Shuck then like as playing for you should waltz into the fucking C. Who do you think? Who do you think?
- [60:42]
Danny Kanell
What do you think? If one of these guys was the QB9 at the end of the season, who is it?
- [60:48]
Danny Kelly
McCarthy plays 80% as well as Darnold but it runs more. That would be my pick. Like darn McCarthy actually runs for like six touchdowns.
- [60:56]
Craig Krolczyk
Cam Ward, he kind of sticks out to me because of the out of control through the stratosphere dog levels with him. Just love, just love him. And I feel like they're going to put a lot on him, you know what I mean? Like from day one he's going to get to do a lot of stuff. And so I think maybe there's a world in which he has kind of like a bonex rookie year.
- [61:19]
Danny Kelly
Oh wait. Also wait, sorry, there's another guy. Hello. Michael Pennix Jr. For the fastball.
- [61:22]
Danny Kanell
That's what I was gonna say.
- [61:23]
Danny Kelly
That's the.
- [61:24]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, yeah. There's a chance that, that Pennix goes full Jameis throws like 35 touchdowns. 18 picks and they're just like scoring a zillion points in shootouts every day in the NFC south. And it's just like fantasy points galore.
- [61:36]
Danny Kelly
I agree. Cause I think Stafford for the Rams, like obviously Stafford could be great. Geno too. But I think the Raiders ultimately are going to want to run the ball. But yeah, I look at Pennix. Pennix, it's just gonna. I just think it's gonna air it out, man. I think it's just gonna hit dingers.
- [61:51]
Danny Kanell
So I want to see what did Jameson 2019, the famous 30, 30 year.
- [61:56]
Danny Kelly
He was the QB 8 and Mike Evans, both top five receivers.
- [62:01]
Craig Krolczyk
30 for 30 picks.
- [62:03]
Danny Kelly
I think that might go down. That might never happen again. I think that might go down. That might be one of those records. Like the interception records are never going to get touched ever again.
- [62:10]
Craig Krolczyk
So funny.
- [62:11]
Danny Kelly
60 picks in their career, which will never happen again. Okay, before we go to some dumb emails and other stuff, any other parting thoughts on quarterbacks? I think so. Those are basically our themes is like having a sick fantasy quarterback is really fun and like get a good one if you can. But also it's a very deep and varied year at quarterback. So you can kind of. I think what we're saying is you can be picky and get guys you want or you can be selective and get guys you think are values. Like you can hold out for value or rushing upside if that's what you want.
- [62:42]
Danny Kanell
And like it's a year I would say you don't need to reach. Just take the guy you want when he seems like he's a good value.
- [62:50]
Danny Kelly
I think that's a good way to put it. And if you have an opinion, like I think the packers are underrated this year. Yeah, cool. Like go get you in love. And if you don't really have an opinion, like or Dak Prescott's a good example. If you believe in Dak cool, go get him. But if you don't have an opinion, probably just go get a rushing quarterback. Call it a day, you guys.
- [63:09]
Craig Krolczyk
You're going to sleep a lot better at night having true Jaden Daniels on your at your quarterback spot.
- [63:15]
Danny Kelly
Have like Lamar look like Lamar Jackson could just be on your team. Like I just do that.
- [63:23]
Danny Kanell
Did you guys see the video today of Will Johnson, the cornerback rookie, guarding Marvin Harrison? No.
- [63:29]
Danny Kelly
No, I missed it.
- [63:30]
Danny Kanell
He, like, throws Marvin Harrison to the ground, and it was a huge ick. And I'm worried.
- [63:35]
Danny Kelly
So what are you saying? This was the legs, not his arms.
- [63:38]
Danny Kanell
Like, Marvin Harrison just added 15 pounds of muscle and got tossed. Like the hockey player throwing that guy on the golf course.
- [63:44]
Craig Krolczyk
Craig, you gotta. I'll. I'll send you the video. There's another video circulating yesterday. That was Marvin Harrison. Like, one hand catch, back shoulder. Awesome play.
- [63:55]
Danny Kelly
I.
- [63:55]
Craig Krolczyk
The best. It's like. It's like you can have 50 compliments and one insult. You're like, fuck.
- [64:01]
Danny Kanell
Yeah.
- [64:01]
Danny Kelly
Well, I.
- [64:01]
Danny Kanell
Only thing you think about.
- [64:03]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, but Marvin Harrison arms getting bigger. Like, with the biceps thing. The one thing about it that freaks me out is that we. We really were on to something when we were like, it's bad that Will Levis was ripped.
- [64:14]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, Too ripped.
- [64:14]
Danny Kelly
That's bad. Because it's like that none of the quarterbacks. Like, that's not. Those muscles just don't help you throw a football. Like, everything's about limber play. If you ever listen to anything Tom Brady's ever said, all the quarterbacks are getting. It's more about, like, flexibility, pliability, flexibility. And it was weird that Levis did that. Similarly, like, if you're an NFL athlete, biceps are, like, purely vain. Like, I mean, your legs.
- [64:36]
Craig Krolczyk
We should do it on this.
- [64:38]
Danny Kanell
The only quarterback who is truly, like, ripped is Jalen. Hurts all. Even, like, Lamar's not, like, yoked Josh.
- [64:45]
Craig Krolczyk
Well, he got kind of yoked.
- [64:47]
Danny Kelly
£600. It's not his arms. It's his fucking legs. And it's like, Marvin Harrison aren't like. Honestly, my armchair psychology. That's probably. Probably inappropriate for me to say. I just think he's insecure. Like, I think that he's, like, deep down embarrassed that Marvin Harrison had a bad year, which is every other draft pick. Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas, malik, neighbors, Vlad McConkey. They were all so much better than him. I think he's embarrassed. And so he's like, oh, I'm gonna get swole. And it's like, why are your arms big? You're a receiver.
- [65:16]
Danny Kanell
I know. And nobody was like, marvin Harrison's too small. That was not a critique.
- [65:20]
Danny Kelly
No, but I think it's like, he.
- [65:21]
Craig Krolczyk
Played kind of small last year, though. Yeah.
- [65:24]
Danny Kelly
It's getting. No, that guys.
- [65:25]
Danny Kanell
But that's up here. Dk.
- [65:27]
Craig Krolczyk
It's true.
- [65:27]
Danny Kelly
I mean, but when guys. No, when guys add weight it's because they either felt they were either told their body's breaking down or whatever, like, hey, you need to get stronger, but or sometimes they're just like you physically were getting bodied and they're like embarrassed by it and they're like, I gotta get larger. But if you wanna get faster, you, I don't know, I'm a little worried.
- [65:44]
Danny Kanell
So I was a little offended that you didn't mention Aaron Rodgers, last year's QB18.
- [65:50]
Danny Kelly
Oh, sorry. I, I, that's an error. Rogers is in the group with Daniel Jones Flacco and Tyler Shuck of I'm sorry. No, I'll put him next to Camborg Rogers.
- [65:58]
Danny Kanell
Let's see, last year scored better than Matthew Stafford, C.J. stroud, Drake May, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, Anthony Richardson, Caleb Williams.
- [66:06]
Craig Krolczyk
Shut up, Craig.
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Danny Kelly
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- [67:08]
Craig Krolczyk
I think, I think after talking through, talking this through, I have less clarity on everything than before.
- [67:14]
Danny Kanell
Okay.
- [67:17]
Craig Krolczyk
It's a funny, it's a funny position.
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Danny Kelly
All right, so toe rankings. We had a conversation because Justin Fields dislocated his toe. We started talking about which toe is the most important. Well, big toe obviously is number one. What are the what are after big.
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Danny Kanell
Toe is the clear one zero one.
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Danny Kelly
Well like the tier between second and five. It's know it's like a really. We don't know how to rank them. So this we got our blue sky post from Andrew and Drewi who labeled himself the official podiatrist of the pod.
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Danny Kanell
Okay, sure.
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Craig Krolczyk
I mean I guess it wasn't taken.
- [67:50]
Danny Kanell
For the record, if this is a good email, it's yours.
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Danny Kelly
Andrew came out. Dude, talk about sentence score. Something that's never been said before. Andrew said, having amputated more toes in central Pennsylvania than anyone. Gee.
- [68:07]
Craig Krolczyk
Sometimes it's really funny to think about people like our listeners, like, as a. It's like part of our family. Like someone in our family has amputated a lot of toes.
- [68:18]
Danny Kelly
Way more than anyone.
- [68:19]
Craig Krolczyk
They're cutting off toes over here.
- [68:21]
Danny Kanell
Central PA Toe.
- [68:24]
Danny Kelly
Send this guy a belt.
- [68:25]
Craig Krolczyk
Somebody I know is cutting off a lot of toes.
- [68:28]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [68:29]
Craig Krolczyk
So benevolently, by the way.
- [68:32]
Danny Kelly
They have to come off.
- [68:33]
Danny Kanell
We don't know.
- [68:34]
Danny Kelly
Well, having amputated more toes in central Pennsylvania than anyone. My official toe importance ranking is. What do you guys think it is?
- [68:42]
Danny Kanell
I think it's 1, 2, 3. Is it 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
- [68:48]
Danny Kelly
No, I thought it was 1, 2, 3, 5 4.
- [68:50]
Craig Krolczyk
I saw this. I saw this guy or whatever.
- [68:52]
Danny Kelly
So he says it is 15223.
- [68:55]
Danny Kanell
Pinky number two. I told you, DK, the pinky is important.
- [68:59]
Danny Kelly
I was robbed. One, five, two, three four. Let's go.
- [69:03]
Craig Krolczyk
Regulation size or what?
- [69:07]
Danny Kelly
So he said, better luck next year.
- [69:12]
Craig Krolczyk
I don't believe you. The toe.
- [69:14]
Danny Kelly
The pinky says you can lose your fourth toe and forget about it in a month. And again, this is your biggest one.
- [69:18]
Craig Krolczyk
Makes sense. Yeah. I never have, like, one stone thought about my fourth toe.
- [69:22]
Danny Kelly
I don't even know what the name of it is.
- [69:24]
Craig Krolczyk
Ring toe.
- [69:24]
Danny Kanell
Ringtone.
- [69:26]
Craig Krolczyk
Which sounds like a disease.
- [69:27]
Danny Kelly
It does sound like a ringworm because you got. You know, I got a ring toe on my back. Pinky toe. You got a middle toe. The second. I don't know what the second one's called. Does that have a name?
- [69:39]
Danny Kanell
No.
- [69:41]
Craig Krolczyk
Pointer toe. Is your. Is your big toe your thumb? Technically, yeah.
- [69:46]
Danny Kelly
I think it's got to be.
- [69:47]
Craig Krolczyk
That's weird to think about sometimes the.
- [69:48]
Danny Kanell
That. That. That pointer toe is longer than the big toe on some feet and sometimes.
- [69:52]
Danny Kelly
Called the classic foot. I got that.
- [69:54]
Craig Krolczyk
A classic foot. As the middle toe was longer than the big toe for the other people.
- [69:59]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [70:00]
Danny Kanell
My big toe was longer than any.
- [70:02]
Craig Krolczyk
Other toe you say was.
- [70:04]
Danny Kanell
Is.
- [70:05]
Danny Kelly
Oh.
- [70:06]
Danny Kanell
Unless Andrew gets a hold of it.
- [70:09]
Craig Krolczyk
Keep away. Keep away from Andrew. Dr. Drew, over here.
- [70:13]
Danny Kanell
DK.
- [70:14]
Danny Kelly
What do you got? A jar of toes like heart eye. You have the gilore.
- [70:17]
Danny Kanell
Are.
- [70:17]
Craig Krolczyk
Is your big toe the longest toe, though?
- [70:20]
Danny Kanell
Got that message toe, though, dk, Is your big toe longer or is the middle toe longer?
- [70:25]
Craig Krolczyk
I can't remember.
- [70:26]
Danny Kanell
I think right now.
- [70:27]
Danny Kelly
I can't remember.
- [70:28]
Danny Kanell
Look at Your foot.
- [70:29]
Danny Kelly
My shoe.
- [70:30]
Craig Krolczyk
Okay, hold on one second.
- [70:31]
Danny Kelly
Second toe. Oh, God.
- [70:33]
Craig Krolczyk
Not going to put it on camera. That's going to cost you.
- [70:37]
Danny Kelly
Foot on my.
- [70:39]
Craig Krolczyk
My big toe is longer.
- [70:42]
Danny Kanell
It is concerning. You didn't know that?
- [70:44]
Danny Kelly
I couldn't remember.
- [70:46]
Craig Krolczyk
I told you.
- [70:47]
Danny Kelly
I never.
- [70:47]
Craig Krolczyk
I feel like now I feel like Happy's caddy. Wait, no, that's just cuz you're only wearing one shoe.
- [70:53]
Danny Kanell
Oh. Oh, yeah.
- [70:54]
Danny Kelly
Oh yeah.
- [70:55]
Danny Kanell
He eats the cracker.
- [70:58]
Craig Krolczyk
Got one shoe on quarter.
- [71:00]
Danny Kanell
That guy's great. That guy's in a lot of Adam Sandler movies. That guy's in Big Daddy. Andrew. I have a question for Andrew. What did you call it? High Fitz. What's your foot called?
- [71:09]
Craig Krolczyk
Classic foot.
- [71:09]
Danny Kanell
Classic foot.
- [71:10]
Danny Kelly
That's what my grandmother told me it was. Maybe she was just.
- [71:13]
Danny Kanell
I'm Andrew, email us back. Which foot design is. Is more conducive for athletic activities.
- [71:20]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh, God.
- [71:21]
Danny Kanell
Or does it matter? Like, does that have to do anything with running? Does it help balance? I'm curious.
- [71:27]
Danny Kelly
I do want to. I feel like we don't know that much about. Well, not we. I don't know that much about feet. Feet. My feet. I don't know. I have very flat feet.
- [71:33]
Danny Kanell
You do. You got wood planks down there, right?
- [71:36]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [71:36]
Danny Kanell
He's running on two by fours.
- [71:38]
Danny Kelly
Just clop, clop, clop. My brother, his wife, they call him Potatoes.
- [71:41]
Danny Kanell
He's got those Jesus sandals down there.
- [71:43]
Danny Kelly
Dude. I actually, fun fact, back when I lived in la, we did ringer pickup shout out to Richie Bozek. Yeah, Richie's good. I. Ringer pickup was annoying because everyone like tall. Everyone was like 6, 2, 6, 3 and could shoot, which is like so sucks. But I'm five, ten and unathletic. But I actually once stopped.
- [72:01]
Craig Krolczyk
It was annoying. Everyone was tall.
- [72:03]
Danny Kelly
I once stopped a Richie Bozek fast break because I was like 20ft behind him, but I was running and my footsteps were so loud.
- [72:14]
Danny Kanell
Thundering.
- [72:15]
Danny Kelly
He thought I was like way closer than I was the layup and tried it.
- [72:19]
Craig Krolczyk
Like you're throwing the sound with your feet.
- [72:22]
Danny Kelly
I was like at the three point line. He thought I was going to fucking LeBron Iguodala, you know?
- [72:26]
Craig Krolczyk
You know how in Monty Python they like when they're running around, they like make the little clop noise with like the coconut.
- [72:32]
Danny Kelly
Yes, that's me. That's me running. Can hear me coming.
- [72:38]
Craig Krolczyk
Every time. I cannot get enough High Fitz basketball stories. There's. There's nothing better in the world.
- [72:44]
Danny Kanell
If we were still doing it today, we would definitely put it on YouTube. It would be like a live stream every time we play.
- [72:48]
Danny Kelly
I. Yeah, I think I. It took me a long time to realize that. I just kind of really took the football lineman DNA and just played basketball.
- [72:57]
Danny Kanell
He couldn't play in a league with refs because he'd foul out in five minutes.
- [73:00]
Danny Kelly
Well, you know that. No. You know when I had to fill into the ringer league with refs? Right. Have I told the story of the show?
- [73:05]
Craig Krolczyk
I think so, but let's hear it again.
- [73:06]
Danny Kanell
Would you go full bounty gate on somebody and then get ejected?
- [73:09]
Danny Kelly
No.
- [73:10]
Craig Krolczyk
Well, basically, who's. Who's offering heits the $20 per foul?
- [73:13]
Danny Kelly
Zack Cran comes up to me one day. I think I was still an intern. Zach Cran comes up to me one day and just says, do you have basketball shoes? And I didn't. Do you play basketball? Do you have shoes? I was like, yeah. And he's like, so we had a league, whatever. And he's like, four people can come today. Only, like, we don't have five people. And he's like, if we don't have a fifth person, we forfeit. And if we forfeit his game, the season's over. So I was like, oh, my God. Like, I just have to show up and play or else the season's over, which is crazy. Then I learned it's a church league, and you get attack if you can't swear. So if you curse. So if I curse twice, the season is over for the team. So. And then I actually made a three on my first shot. And then I just. L. They had a law firm. They had a guy was 6, 8, and I just elbowed him in the kidneys till he called me a. And I got him ejected and we won. You're like, I pissed him off.
- [74:10]
Danny Kanell
You're like Lance Stevenson blowing in LeBron's ear.
- [74:13]
Danny Kelly
Literally, like, that was all I had. So I got about halfway through.
- [74:18]
Danny Kanell
That's useful. Every team needs one of those guys, dude.
- [74:21]
Danny Kelly
I was like, I'm. I'm just trying not to. I literally was like, I made my first shot. I was like, I am not shooting again. And just don't get ejected. Get this guy ejected and we will win. I did my job. Did my job. What.
- [74:32]
Danny Kanell
What kind of basketball shoes were you wearing?
- [74:34]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God. Do you want to know? Oh, my God. Taylor's eo, a now defunct brand for people with multiple ankle sprains. That is like a ankle brace built literally user basketball shoes. And I had ankle braces built into my shoes. Oh, it's Defunct Ektio. If those people are listening, like please make them again. They're the most old man thing about me is I would, I bought. When they went out of business. I bought four of these because I was. I'm gonna wear them the rest of my life.
- [75:02]
Danny Kanell
Oh, I think they're.
- [75:03]
Danny Kelly
But they had ankle braces built in.
- [75:06]
Craig Krolczyk
This looks like something Michael J. Fox is wearing in like Back to the Future.
- [75:10]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, they do. They look like space shoes.
- [75:12]
Danny Kelly
Dude. Shout out to fto.
- [75:14]
Danny Kanell
This is so funny that you were wearing these.
- [75:16]
Danny Kelly
Of course.
- [75:17]
Danny Kanell
Of course you were.
- [75:20]
Danny Kelly
Dude. They were incredible. They were great. I, you know, obviously limited market. They super went out of business.
- [75:24]
Danny Kanell
Do you still have them?
- [75:26]
Danny Kelly
Oh yeah. Three brains.
- [75:27]
Craig Krolczyk
You don't throw away five.
- [75:28]
Danny Kelly
When they went out of business.
- [75:29]
Danny Kanell
Do you still, you still hooping every now and then or.
- [75:31]
Danny Kelly
No, no, I'm, I, I, I. The pandemic. I just like, I don't know. I, I didn't. I probably played pickup basketball like two, two or three times the last like five years. I haven't played really since but golf.
- [75:42]
Danny Kanell
And tennis now I'm still playing in a ringer, a league with some ex ringer guys and other dudes. I still play Jackson.
- [75:49]
Craig Krolczyk
Nice.
- [75:49]
Danny Kelly
My fear is like I feel like I'm too old now to just go and just get my shot back.
- [75:54]
Danny Kanell
But like I don't think so. You're not.
- [75:56]
Danny Kelly
I mean, no, but my shot has rusted. Like I, I actually would be.
- [75:59]
Danny Kanell
But I feel like your shot is the one thing that you can get back as you age.
- [76:02]
Craig Krolczyk
Right. You can't get your never getting your win back.
- [76:04]
Danny Kanell
If you went to the gym for three months and just shot around a bunch, you would get your shot back.
- [76:08]
Danny Kelly
But that's it. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go either work, going to play golf.
- [76:11]
Craig Krolczyk
He's going to go once every six months.
- [76:13]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to just go and play basketball.
- [76:16]
Craig Krolczyk
This is going to be.
- [76:17]
Danny Kanell
You do lose it quickly. Like me going to Italy. I basically stopped playing for like three, four weeks, came back and was like completely cold.
- [76:23]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh yeah. I completely, I completely vouch for that. You can you lose it within like.
- [76:28]
Danny Kanell
A week so fast.
- [76:29]
Craig Krolczyk
It's crazy.
- [76:29]
Danny Kelly
And I don't exactly have the kind of game where if someone just like, oh, he can't shoot, they're like, I'm kind of. Because I'm a rebounder who's 5 foot 10, which on the wrong court is. And you can't.
- [76:40]
Craig Krolczyk
I bet you can Box out with the best of them.
- [76:42]
Danny Kelly
Yes.
- [76:42]
Craig Krolczyk
Just get low, play big. Just box them out into the, into, like, the stands.
- [76:47]
Danny Kelly
But I can't triple and I'm short. So if I can't box out and rebound, nothing's worth. Again, the ringer thing, where it's like, everyone's six, three and can shoot. Like, everyone's just three and D in this and everyone has a handle. And I'm like, if I can't shoot, then I'm like, I just, I'm just, I'm just land. I'm just fouling. Like, I'm just, I'm the, the enforcer.
- [77:05]
Craig Krolczyk
And the, the only thing you could do is get other people ejected.
- [77:08]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Lance Stevenson. Yeah. And I'm like, what's he, Is he play, even play? He's probably playing.
- [77:12]
Craig Krolczyk
You kind of have, like, Rodman's skill set.
- [77:14]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [77:15]
Craig Krolczyk
Say it's like rebounds and getting other.
- [77:17]
Danny Kanell
People ejected was over here, do this.
- [77:23]
Danny Kelly
God.
- [77:23]
Danny Kanell
And I can't. What's your wingspan? Do you know?
- [77:26]
Danny Kelly
Do you know your wingspan?
- [77:28]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, I don't know my wingspan.
- [77:30]
Danny Kelly
How do you. When did you get your wingspan measurement?
- [77:33]
Danny Kanell
I feel like dudes, like, when you're bored, all the, like, you're, you', of course, measuring your wingspan.
- [77:37]
Danny Kelly
That's the most.
- [77:38]
Danny Kanell
Like this guy.
- [77:38]
Danny Kelly
Spotify poll. I do not know my wingspan.
- [77:41]
Danny Kanell
Oh, really? I think high school athletes who play basketball, every single one knows their wingspan.
- [77:47]
Craig Krolczyk
I did that.
- [77:48]
Danny Kelly
I don't know, like, if through the poll, do you, off the top of your head, know your wingspan?
- [77:52]
Danny Kanell
If you play sports, if you, like, have never played a sport in your life, then I don't think I played.
- [77:57]
Danny Kelly
Football in high school. Like, I, I, I, I mean, I.
- [77:59]
Craig Krolczyk
Played basketball in high school, Craig and I, I didn't. I don't know my wingspan.
- [78:02]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Oh, wow.
- [78:03]
Danny Kanell
I'd be curious, but I played neighbors.
- [78:05]
Craig Krolczyk
It's like a whole different area.
- [78:08]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Seven inches a yard. How long is that? Okay, another email here. Oh, to some. Jonathan just emailed in to say that he broke his. The day before he listened to the show and kind of realized it was broken, like, listening to the show.
- [78:23]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh.
- [78:24]
Danny Kanell
Oh, John.
- [78:24]
Craig Krolczyk
Interesting.
- [78:25]
Danny Kanell
Johnny.
- [78:26]
Craig Krolczyk
Did he get it fixed?
- [78:28]
Danny Kanell
Johnny? No. Toes. That's what we call them.
- [78:33]
Danny Kelly
Johnny Note says we gotta hear more.
- [78:35]
Craig Krolczyk
About this guy that's cutting off toes.
- [78:37]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, yeah. Email us back about the official podiatrist of the pod. You're the official amputator of the pod.
- [78:42]
Craig Krolczyk
Are people skin, like, frostbite hunting and stuff or what's the deal here?
- [78:46]
Danny Kelly
There's A lot of reasons.
- [78:47]
Craig Krolczyk
That's what I want to know.
- [78:48]
Danny Kanell
I mean, that's going to be the punishment for the ring of fantasy toe off.
- [78:51]
Danny Kelly
Okay. It's like Mr. Deeds with the. Yeah. The foot.
- [78:54]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah. It's just black.
- [78:55]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Oh, no. Two more emails I want to read. This one's from James.
- [79:00]
Danny Kanell
Jimmy.
- [79:01]
Danny Kelly
Just talking about Jimmy. We just thought Jimmy, Jim, Jimmy, James. We were talking about Aaron Donald workouts and how Jared Verse literally tried to lie to get out of the Aaron Donald workout. And then James emailed in and he sent this video. I forgot about this. But Matt Stafford went on the Kelsey podcast. I forget went. And Matt Stafford told the story about Aaron Donald and a. Basically a make a wish kid. Make a wish came to the Rams and said, we have a make a wish kid who just wants to work out with Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald invites him to the workout at facility and Aaron Donald works to wake a wish kid so hard that Matt Stafford works by. And Aaron, the make a wish kid is just puking in the trash can.
- [79:40]
Danny Kanell
No way. He got his.
- [79:41]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, he got his wish. Wow.
- [79:43]
Danny Kelly
Careful what you wish for, kid.
- [79:46]
Craig Krolczyk
This is. This is what a workout's like.
- [79:48]
Danny Kanell
How old, how old was the kid? It'd be funny if he was like 9.
- [79:51]
Danny Kelly
It's funnier if he was like 8, but I think he was like 16. I think he was a high school football player, which is less funny. But I would love the idea of a seven year old working out with Aerodonald just throwing up.
- [80:04]
Danny Kanell
Like Puka Nuku and Jared Verse also puking.
- [80:06]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, Puka Nuku is like. Did you also have jack in the box for breakfast?
- [80:10]
Danny Kanell
I mean, have you ever gone to a workout class with a friend, like, who always goes to the class and you've never been. That shit is the hardest thing to just pick up and join in on one day.
- [80:19]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, Craig, I was thinking that same thing just now. I was like the. The closest I've gotten to puking in the last like decade was I went to a workout with my buddy at this gym that he goes to and it was.
- [80:30]
Danny Kanell
I don't remember.
- [80:31]
Craig Krolczyk
It was like the final part of the, of the workout where they do like a. It's like a whole circuit. You have to do. Come in, you like do like 100 push ups or whatever it is. You go run and then you come back and you do like another thing and you run. And I was. By the end I was like, work out and die.
- [80:46]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, dude. I went to a soul cycle once. I've only been one Time in my life kicked my ass. It was so hard.
- [80:54]
Danny Kelly
The.
- [80:55]
Craig Krolczyk
So I quit.
- [80:56]
Danny Kelly
I feel like I. Speaking of high school, I feel like the first, like real workout, your first like 2A days and stuff, you end up puking if you're not in shape. But also the other one, honestly, the other one is just like yoga where I can't even get it. Like, the poses go so fast that I'm like, I am so out of my depth right now. Oh, my God.
- [81:11]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, I took Pilates in high school. I mean, in college.
- [81:16]
Danny Kelly
Okay.
- [81:16]
Craig Krolczyk
So I thought somewhat similar to what Pilates was.
- [81:19]
Danny Kelly
And I don't think I have any idea what Pilates was.
- [81:21]
Danny Kanell
It's. It's like if yoga was harder.
- [81:24]
Danny Kelly
So is Pilates like the one where you're on a machine?
- [81:26]
Danny Kanell
There's two types. There's. There's body Pilates and then there's that type where you're on. I forget what the name of it is. Like a Reformer or something.
- [81:33]
Danny Kelly
And there's a reformer. Yeah, I actually didn't know that's what. Pilates. Pilates. I thought Pilates was a branch of Reformers. A medieval torture contraption.
- [81:41]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, yeah. It's like you are essentially, you're in an iron lung contorting yourself with resistance bands.
- [81:46]
Danny Kelly
And like, I was impressed when I. I saw it on Veep and was like, what's this? And then I saw videos, I think Monster crown. It was like pro athletes being like, I can't do this. Which is always gets my attention. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, because it's all like the.
- [82:01]
Danny Kanell
It's all resistance, which is so difficult.
- [82:05]
Danny Kelly
This.
- [82:05]
Craig Krolczyk
This looks like a new age. This looks like they. They laid a Nordic track on the ground and you have to do everything horizontal.
- [82:14]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God. Email us if you do reformer Pilates and why you do that to yourself?
- [82:18]
Craig Krolczyk
Do you guys know what a Nordic track is, by the way?
- [82:21]
Danny Kelly
I think I just thought you're talking about like. Like the Olympics.
- [82:25]
Craig Krolczyk
No, go Google Nordic track. It was a whole thing in like the. In the 1990s and 80s.
- [82:29]
Danny Kelly
Nordic Track?
- [82:31]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah.
- [82:33]
Danny Kelly
You mean like a stairmast? Oh, hold on.
- [82:35]
Danny Kanell
No, I see what you're talking about. What are these things?
- [82:38]
Danny Kelly
A treadmill.
- [82:39]
Craig Krolczyk
It's a contraption. No, hold on. Some of the pics that come up aren't right.
- [82:44]
Danny Kanell
It kind of looks like a elliptical machine. Like the first elliptical machine ever made.
- [82:48]
Craig Krolczyk
It's got a bunch of wires.
- [82:50]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God, this looks so medieval. This looks like my podcast Arm Boob.
- [82:54]
Craig Krolczyk
It's like basically you. It's it's emulating cross country skiing. So you're like using. You're using the handheld things. You got like your stomach up against the pad and you're, you're. It's essentially like you're using the hands as with your poles or whatever.
- [83:09]
Danny Kanell
I'm obsessed with like 80s and 90s workout machines. Craig.
- [83:14]
Craig Krolczyk
If you go on Craigslist right now, there will be probably like 30 Nordic tracks available on the side of the street. So birthday gift in Los Angeles.
- [83:22]
Danny Kelly
You know the ones coming up? Should we get them a Nordic Track?
- [83:24]
Danny Kanell
You know the ones where your like, legs swing back and forth?
- [83:27]
Craig Krolczyk
You're like, those are the ellipticals.
- [83:28]
Danny Kanell
Yeah, yeah, but it's like, it's weirder. I don't know. And then there's a. There's a bike one where you're biking, but you're also moving back and forth with your arms if you're doing rows and biking at the same time.
- [83:41]
Craig Krolczyk
Robix, like craze of the 80s and 90s was so fun.
- [83:45]
Danny Kanell
Death machines.
- [83:47]
Danny Kelly
Email us if you have fun. Nordic Track stories or Nordic Track in Los Angeles.
- [83:50]
Craig Krolczyk
You want to. And they were. They were advertising them on infomercials. Remember those things? You guys might not.
- [83:57]
Danny Kanell
No, I. Billy Mays, like, you wake up in the middle of the night and there's like Billy mays talking about OxiClean. Yeah.
- [84:04]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God.
- [84:05]
Craig Krolczyk
Slapping the tape on the outside of the Slap Chop.
- [84:08]
Danny Kanell
The Slap Chop. Cutting the vegetables.
- [84:10]
Danny Kelly
That guy, that boat. But he's just like. We built it with tape.
- [84:14]
Danny Kanell
Oh, yeah. Flex tape. What's that called?
- [84:16]
Danny Kelly
Flex tape.
- [84:16]
Danny Kanell
It's a Flex tape.
- [84:17]
Danny Kelly
Damn.
- [84:19]
Craig Krolczyk
I've bought a few things off of.
- [84:20]
Danny Kanell
Infomercials before I. ShamWow.
- [84:22]
Danny Kelly
Yeah. Sham. Wow. Shake Weight.
- [84:25]
Danny Kanell
Shake Weight was a big one.
- [84:28]
Craig Krolczyk
Shake Weight's maybe the funniest one of all emails.
- [84:31]
Danny Kelly
If you have any infomercial stories, we have two more emails here. I don't know. We're right.
- [84:35]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh, let's get to them. Sorry.
- [84:36]
Danny Kelly
What do you want to do?
- [84:37]
Danny Kanell
No, go ahead, go ahead. At least do one.
- [84:39]
Danny Kelly
So we talked about the name Storm Duck last episode, and Craig did the thing of people whose name you meet. The parents. Well, we got an email from someone who said, my name's Craig. Similarly ridiculous. This email is from first name Chess.
- [84:55]
Craig Krolczyk
Chess.
- [84:56]
Danny Kanell
C H E S S. Yes.
- [84:58]
Danny Kelly
Like the game. So his name is Chess. Necessary.
- [85:06]
Danny Kanell
How do you sell necessary?
- [85:08]
Danny Kelly
Like the word.
- [85:08]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh, Necessary.
- [85:11]
Danny Kelly
Chess. Necessary.
- [85:13]
Danny Kanell
He hangs out with Ed. Policy.
- [85:17]
Danny Kelly
Just Necessary.
- [85:18]
Craig Krolczyk
The Necessary Policy.
- [85:20]
Danny Kanell
Imagine if they were a law firm. Necessary Policy.
- [85:24]
Craig Krolczyk
The chest. Necessary. Good God.
- [85:27]
Danny Kelly
Chess Necessary.
- [85:28]
Danny Kanell
And he says sick name. That sounds awesome. Chess Necessary is such a cool name.
- [85:32]
Danny Kelly
So his middle name is Michael. Oh, come on, Chess. He said the fact that Storm's Duck's middle name is Chandler really resonated with.
- [85:41]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, yeah.
- [85:41]
Danny Kanell
It's like really? Mom and dad.
- [85:43]
Danny Kelly
Chef, you couldn't have. Michael Necessary.
- [85:45]
Danny Kanell
I couldn't have been Chandler Storm Duck.
- [85:48]
Craig Krolczyk
I just can't get over the fact his last name is Necessary.
- [85:50]
Danny Kelly
Chest. Necessary. Necessary.
- [85:53]
Craig Krolczyk
Necessary. I'm googling this. How many people with the last name Necessary.
- [85:59]
Danny Kanell
Necessary. That sounds like a movie character in like an old Lethal Weapon Chest Necessary.
- [86:05]
Danny Kelly
Just thought that was incredible.
- [86:07]
Craig Krolczyk
That's just necessary. As of 2000, necessary was the 23, 922nd most common surname. Yeah, there's like less than a thousand people.
- [86:23]
Danny Kanell
I think I found Chess Necessary because I don't. I can't imagine there's many. I think I found him on LinkedIn.
- [86:29]
Craig Krolczyk
We're gonna check the Google, the Google like stats.
- [86:32]
Danny Kanell
I won't out him, but I think I got a.
- [86:34]
Danny Kelly
You won't ask him. I think everyone's going to be able to find him.
- [86:37]
Craig Krolczyk
Ladies and gentlemen, we got here.
- [86:38]
Danny Kanell
Is that him? Lexington, Kentucky.
- [86:41]
Danny Kelly
I think there's only one. It looks like a nice guy.
- [86:46]
Danny Kanell
He's got a good job. National security business development lead.
- [86:50]
Craig Krolczyk
I feel like we maybe shouldn't be saying all this online, but that's fine.
- [86:53]
Danny Kanell
It's on LinkedIn. It's public.
- [86:56]
Craig Krolczyk
I found his Instagram doesn't follow me, by the way. Kind of rude.
- [87:02]
Danny Kanell
Okay. Chess.
- [87:03]
Craig Krolczyk
God.
- [87:04]
Danny Kanell
Chess Necessary.
- [87:05]
Danny Kelly
Chess Necessary. Unbelievable.
- [87:09]
Danny Kanell
Oh, it looks like you got married. Congrats.
- [87:11]
Danny Kelly
Congrats. Chess.
- [87:12]
Danny Kanell
This is Necessary.
- [87:13]
Danny Kelly
Found a queen.
- [87:16]
Craig Krolczyk
Oh, all right. Well played. It's not really, but kind of.
- [87:19]
Danny Kelly
It's pretty poorly played. I'm playing checkers over here. All right. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone.
- [87:26]
Danny Kanell
Thank you. Chess.
- [87:29]
Danny Kelly
Chess. Unbelievable.
- [87:30]
Craig Krolczyk
What are his siblings name? That's what I want to know.
- [87:32]
Danny Kelly
Oh, my God. Yeah. Chest.
- [87:34]
Craig Krolczyk
Follow up.
- [87:35]
Danny Kelly
Let us know. Thank you to Chess. Thank you to Chess's parents. Thank you to Storm Duck. Thank you to quarterbacks. Thank you to everyone who lets me get Jalen Hurts in fantasy this year. Thank you to Anthony Richardson for making me look smart for once in my life, hopefully. Thank you, everyone. Email us for your fantasy football gmail.com. our rankings are fantasy football.textal.com Follow Something youg Fantasy on Instagram, tick tock and YouTube baby ringer fantasy football if YouTube channel. Now go and subscribe thank you, Lord Lauren.
- [87:59]
Craig Krolczyk
Thank you, Skilo.
- [88:02]
Danny Kanell
Nope. No, couldn't, I guess if you.
- [88:05]
Danny Kelly
I couldn't even fathom. I guess.
- [88:06]
Danny Kanell
Skilo.
- [88:07]
Craig Krolczyk
You don't know about Skilo. I, I, I wish I was a little bit taller. Wish I was a baller.
- [88:12]
Danny Kelly
Oh, sure, of course. That's what I. Oh, ski. Oh, it's ski. Like ski ball. Okay. Yeah.
- [88:17]
Danny Kanell
No, actually, is that, Was he a one hit wonder?
- [88:21]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah, pretty much, I'd say.
- [88:23]
Danny Kelly
Oh, yeah. I'm looking at his. Yeah, that's the only thing he ever charted, really.
- [88:26]
Danny Kanell
I wish I was a little bit taller.
- [88:28]
Danny Kelly
I wish I was a baller.
- [88:31]
Craig Krolczyk
I mean, iconic song.
- [88:33]
Danny Kelly
I mean, it's like tough because I'm looking at his Wikipedia, like top chart positions and it's like 10 songs and I wish that song is the only one that has the blue link. That has means that song is its own.
- [88:42]
Craig Krolczyk
Right.
- [88:43]
Danny Kelly
You know, it's the only one that has a page. It's kind of how you know, so.
- [88:46]
Craig Krolczyk
Yes. One hit wonder.
- [88:49]
Danny Kelly
Where did that come from? Oh, because the ski thing.
- [88:52]
Danny Kanell
What?
- [88:53]
Danny Kelly
I was kind of like, how did you think of that? And then I realized it was the Nordic track.
- [88:56]
Danny Kanell
Oh, that sounds.
- [88:57]
Craig Krolczyk
No, I was thinking, I was thinking of you playing basketball with all the talls.
- [89:02]
Danny Kelly
Oh, oh, like low.
- [89:05]
Craig Krolczyk
No, you.
- [89:06]
Danny Kelly
Oh, I wish I was taller.
- [89:07]
Craig Krolczyk
You wish you were a little taller because you're playing against all the 6 foot 2 shooters from the ringer.
- [89:11]
Danny Kelly
Got it. You also, it's just all lanky. Like, everyone's, like, everyone's got length too. Every wingspan. No one. Craig measures his wingspan. He's got long arms.
- [89:20]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah. Craig is kind. Craig's all legs.
- [89:24]
Danny Kanell
I am, I'm all limbs. I'm, I'm just kind of.
- [89:29]
Craig Krolczyk
When Craig sits in a chair, it just looks like it was built for like someone 500 years ago. You know what I mean? Like when they were all short, the, the lyrics, because they were all malnourished.
- [89:40]
Danny Kanell
I wish I was a little bit taller. I wish I was a baller. The next line. I wish I had a girl who looked good. I would call her.
- [89:47]
Craig Krolczyk
Okay, wish you had a rabbit.
- [89:49]
Danny Kanell
I wish I had a rabbit and a hat with a bat and a six, four Impala.
- [89:53]
Craig Krolczyk
Impala.
- [89:54]
Danny Kelly
Is a rabbit a metaphor for something? Is that like a slang or is he just wants a bunny?
- [90:00]
Danny Kanell
I don't get that. Why does he want a rabbit in a hat? Is that like a magician thing? So he could be taller?
- [90:05]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah.
- [90:06]
Danny Kanell
I wish I was like 6 foot.
- [90:08]
Craig Krolczyk
9 because then I could get with Yoshi Yeah, she don't know me, but she. Yo, she's really fine.
- [90:14]
Danny Kanell
Keep going, keep going.
- [90:15]
Danny Kelly
Yeah, you're cooking.
- [90:16]
Craig Krolczyk
Wait, give me, give me a hint. What's the next.
- [90:20]
Danny Kanell
Because she don't know me, but Yoshi really fine. You know I see her all the time.
- [90:24]
Craig Krolczyk
I don't know what's next.
- [90:24]
Danny Kanell
Everywhere I go and even in my dreams I can scheme of ways to make her mine.
- [90:31]
Craig Krolczyk
Yeah. Great song. I don't think I could do the entire lyrics. I can do like the first couple bars, whatever, but I just, I don't.
- [90:39]
Danny Kanell
Know, like in the writer's room, you're like, all right, what is the second line? I wish I had a girl who looked good. I would call her.
- [90:47]
Craig Krolczyk
Well, he was a one hit wonder, Craig.
- [90:50]
Danny Kelly
He had one line.
- [90:54]
Craig Krolczyk
Maybe writing wasn't, you know, his calling.
- [90:58]
Danny Kelly
Yeah.
- [90:58]
Danny Kanell
Put together a sick beat. Words don't matter.
- [91:01]
Danny Kelly
If anyone knows Skilo, email us. Thank you, Lord.
- [91:07]
Danny Kanell
You already did that. We're talking about Skilo, right?
- [91:11]
Danny Kelly
I meant goodbye, everyone. It's been a long day.
- [91:16]
Craig Krolczyk
That was good.
- [91:18]
Danny Kelly
Goodbye, everyone. Sam.