Rams-Seahawks, Part 3, Drake Maye Vs. Jarrett Stidham, Bills Press Conference Debacle, and Boomers Don't Drink Water

Summary

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Episode Title: Rams-Seahawks, Part 3, Drake Maye Vs. Jarrett Stidham, Bills Press Conference Debacle, and Boomers Don't Drink Water
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
Date: January 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck break down the NFC and AFC Championship matchups for the 2025 season, focus on quarterback showdowns (Sam Darnold vs. Matt Stafford and Drake Maye vs. Jarrett Stidham), and dive into the Bills' press conference controversy. The hosts also veer into lively, humorous discussions about generational differences, especially how Boomers just don't drink water.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rams vs. Seahawks: NFC Championship Breakdown

Main Focus: Historic rivalry, quarterback concerns, coaching chess match, special teams, DVOA historical context.

• Historic Parity:

  • The Seahawks and Rams are essentially even in their all-time rivalry:
    • "The Seahawks and Rams are 29-28 all-time, and Seattle has literally scored just one more point over their meetings." – Danny Hypert (04:15)
  • The rivalry is defined by close games, wild swings, and a grudging mutual respect rather than outright hatred.

• Quarterback Anxiety: Sam Darnold

  • Recent history: Darnold has thrown 7 interceptions and taken 16 sacks in his last four games vs. the Rams.
  • "I can't remember a game where a quarterback's mental resiliency felt so important to the outcome." – Danny Heifetz (18:44)
  • Rams seen as Darnold’s "kryptonite”: "He is powerless against this one team." – Danny Hypert (07:49)
  • Darnold’s oblique injury and its impact are debated, but there is some confidence in his ability to perform under pressure after recent playoff performances.

• Matt Stafford’s MVP Season & Rams’ Woes

  • Stafford: 46 TDs, 8 INTs – “really, really, really good this year.” But Rams limped through December, and Stafford is playing through finger and back issues.
  • Rams haven’t looked their best lately, while Seattle’s defense is surging.

• Defensive Showdown – All-Time DVOA Rankings

  • Seahawks' defense is ranked in the Top 5 all-time in DVOA, alongside legendary defenses like the 85 Bears and 91 Washington.
  • "This is the best playoff matchup by DVOA in recorded history," highlighting the high-level collision.

• Coaching & Tactical Chess Match

  • McVay vs. Mike Macdonald: Both are likely to have tricks ready to counter each other’s strengths.
  • The Rams may adjust to the Seahawks' nickel and dime packages with more creative looks or increased use of blitzes from Seattle to pressure Stafford.
  • Special teams edge: Seahawks are top 3 in both kick and punt return yardage and forced the Rams to fire their special teams coach after the last matchup. Rashid Shaheed is singled out as an X-factor.

• Key Quotes:

  • “If you zoom out… Sam Darnold led the league in turnovers, Matt Stafford threw for 46 TDs and only 8 picks. Who do you trust more in this spot?” – Danny Hypert (10:00)
  • “Everything’s been building to this… I do slightly lean Seahawks, but this feels like a true toss-up.” – Craig Horlbeck (12:43)

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2. Drake Maye vs. Jarrett Stidham: AFC Championship Game Preview

• Stidham’s Surreal Path

  • Has only started previously when other QBs were benched for contract reasons, never as a first-choice starter.
  • "This is a career built entirely on being benched to avoid injury guarantees." – Danny Kelly (34:51)

• Stats and Context:

  • Only the 7th QB to start a postseason game without a regular season start—prior QBs: 1-5 (Craig Horlbeck, 34:51).
  • Stidham, the "speaker guy" in Denver’s locker room—responsible for team music and vibes.
  • Stidham was once the #1 high school QB recruit.

• Broncos’ Chances and Limitations:

  • Denver’s defense has carried them, boasting the most sacks in franchise history, but their offensive line and receiver injuries are liabilities.
  • Major concern: "Denver is 12-2 in one-score games—most of that is because of Bo Nix. I don’t trust Stidham to be a hero late." – Craig Horlbeck (38:37)
  • Hosts agree Sean Payton will pull out every trick for a kitchen-sink game, but the margin for error is minuscule.

• New England Patriots:

  • Drake Maye has been loose with turnovers in these playoffs, but the defense is peaking.
  • Denver’s defense is trending down: “They haven’t been nearly as good in the second half of the season.” – Craig Horlbeck (48:15)
  • Patriots favored by 4.5, which all agree is a bit surprising given the QB disparity.

• Key Quotes:

  • “If you flipped Drake Maye and Jared Stidham, the line would be 14. Broncos are so much better, but I still can’t pick Jared Stidham.” – Danny Kelly (37:12)
  • “We desperately need New England to win this. We can’t have Jared Stidham squeeze his way into the Super Bowl!” – Danny Hypert (44:00)

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3. Bills Press Conference Debacle

• What Happened:

  • Bills owner Terry Pegula and GM Brandon Beane had a joint press conference trying—and failing—to explain the selection of WR Keon Coleman over others.
  • Pegula contradicted his own GM live: “I’ll address the Keon Coleman situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon... Keon was not Brandon’s next choice… and for some reason, he’s taking heat over it. I’m here to tell you the true story.” – Terry Pegula (58:01)
  • Multiple videos showed Beane was, in fact, high on Coleman pre-draft, making the press conference look even worse.
  • Underlying angst about "wasting" Josh Allen’s prime is the real driver of fan/media tension.

• Key Quotes:

  • “It was one of those peeks behind the curtain… this is just an old man who’s very angry.” – Danny Kelly (58:01)
  • “Bill Walsh was so right. The coaches are in the film room at midnight. The owners are at dinner, deciding what’s wrong with the team.” – Danny Kelly quoting Chris B. Brown (61:57)

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4. Generational Humor: Boomers Don’t Drink Water

• Theories and Anecdotes:

  • Listeners and hosts share stories:
    • “My boomer dad goes through six Cokes a day, two frappuccinos, glass of milk with dinner, never drinks water.” – Listener email (74:00)
    • "The water on the table is purely decorative." – Listener Alex (74:53)
  • Boomers are more likely to dry swallow pills, drink milk or soda with meals, and rarely hydrate.
  • Hosts joke about generational attitudes toward cash, navigation, and pill swallowing, weaving personal anecdotes throughout.

• Key Quotes:

  • “Boomers don’t drink water. They’d rather raw dog the pill than drink water.” – Danny Kelly (74:53)
  • “Almost everything boomers did was unhealthy—and yet they’re living to 80.” – Danny Hypert (75:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the weight of defenses in major matchups:
  “You look at the 16-0 Patriots, or that Broncos/Seahawks Super Bowl… history suggests the defense usually wins.” – Danny Hypert (25:29)

• On DVOA matchup significance:
  “This is the best game of all-time in the playoffs, according to DVOA matchup—the top-10 teams in DVOA history meeting each other.” – Craig Horlbeck (20:33)

• On Stidham running the Broncos’ locker room music:
  “He’s in charge of vibes. You trust someone to play music, that’s real leadership.” – Danny Hypert/Danny Kelly (36:04)

• On Denver’s hilarious slot as Super Bowl candidate:
  “We’re not acknowledging this. I can’t believe we’re so close to Jared Stidham in the Super Bowl.” – Danny Hypert (53:33)

• On generational divides:
  “People 50+ always tell you, you need to carry cash at all times. People under 25, like, ‘I don’t even have a wallet!’” – Danny Hypert (30:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Rams-Seahawks historical context: 04:15 – 06:45
• QB confidence discussion (Darnold/Stafford): 07:49 – 13:28
• Defensive DVOA historical breakdown: 20:19 – 20:43
• Special teams X-factors: 21:55 – 23:43
• Drake Maye vs. Jared Stidham preview: 34:46 – 44:09
• Bills press conference debrief: 57:14 – 63:15
• Boomers Don’t Drink Water discussion: 74:00 – 78:22

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Props & Bets (Ringer 107 segment)

• Picks:
  • Seahawks -2.5 over Rams
  • Patriots -4.5 over Broncos
  • Prop Bets:
    • Drake Maye over 30.5 rushing yards
    • Rashid Shaheed over 23.5 receiving yards (debated but taken for one big play upside)

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Additional Fun Diversions

• Rants on the origins of the "dime" and "nickel" package (29:35)
• Deep dive into boomers’ aversion to water, vegetables, and modern conveniences (74:00+)
• TV theme songs appreciation and Mad Men nostalgia (80:06 – 82:52)

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Tone and Style

Lively, irreverent, but deeply informed. The hosts banter and rib one another, especially about fan allegiances and generational quirks, but always circle back to sharply reasoned football insights and actionable fantasy angles.

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TL;DR

This episode covers every angle of Championship Weekend—historic matchups, quarterback volatility, defensive greatness, and coaching chess matches—then shifts to franchise dysfunction (Bills), and finishes with pure millennial-vs-boomer comic gold.

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For Further Listening...

• Fans of advanced football stats, hilarious fan therapy, and heated analytical debate will find this episode essential ahead of Conference Championship Weekend.
• For off-topic laughs: skip ahead to the final 25 minutes for the definitive take on why your parents/grandparents refuse to hydrate.

Transcript

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[Danny Kelly]

This episode is brought to you by TaxAct. TaxAct helps tackle taxes, guiding you step by step so you can get your maximum refund. Get tips along the way, add expert assist to talk to tax experts or let our experts do your taxes for you with expert full service. TaxAct helps you find the deductions and credits you deserve so you can get them over with. Visit taxact.com to learn more. More conditions apply. See taxact.com for details. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hypert. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korbeck and we are going over the conference championship games and also maybe some coaching is some cord. Brian d. And Mike McDaniel are openly just using offensive coordinator jobs as like, I don't know, holding teams hostage and just like being like, I'll come but maybe I won't. We'll get it all that later. The Bills owner did a press conference that calmed everyone down. Right, dk Everyone feels way better after the Bill's owner spoke for the first time in six years. So that solved.

[Craig Korbeck]

That was a disaster.

[Danny Hypert]

It rarely gets better when the owner speaks.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean it's, it's usually it doesn't get better. But the Bills owner, I think he everything is better than he spoke about it. Yeah. Great job. Reminder for everyone. We go all playoffs through the super bowl, after the super bowl, trades for agency and the draft. Danny Kelly's draft guide coming out next week.

[Craig Korbeck]

We're going to start going full tilt.

[Danny Kelly]

On the draft starting next week and beyond. So stick with us through the playoffs, through the super bowl, through the off season and everything.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

DK initially has Fernando Mendoza, fourth rounder, which is Crazy hot take, but we'll get into that in a couple weeks.

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly. So we have to start here. NFC Championship game. Rams are at the Seahawks, the two and a half point favorites at home to win the game. Dk Big game. Big game. We're going to learn a lot this year.

[Danny Hypert]

We're going to learn. You just wait until the Super Bowl. We're going to learn a lot, then we're going to learn a good amount now. And then we are going to learn everything we need to know to prepare for 2026, 6 NFL season in the Super Bowl.

[Craig Korbeck]

Must win game.

[Danny Kelly]

Must win game.

[Danny Hypert]

Yes. Win or go home. I would say probably.

[Danny Kelly]

DK how confident are you that Sam Darnold will not go full. CJ Stroud.

[Danny Hypert]

This is the only thing I want.

[Danny Kelly]

To talk about for this, in this game.

[Craig Korbeck]

How confident am I? I'm not very confident. So I was, I, I thought you were gonna ask me how confident I am. The Seahawks are going to win. And I'm, and I looked up this stat today. I saw this went after a week, it was like 16 or 17 they played and it was a crazy ass game. The Seahawks this year in two games against the Rams, the Rams have one more point and one more yard total. So one yard and one point separates the two games these two teams played this week, this year. And I mean, it's crazy too because both of the games were kind of like polar opposites. The first game, the Seahawks shut down the Rams offense. The second game, the Rams offense had the highest yardage and point total of the year. They had like 500 something yards of offense in that game.

[Danny Hypert]

I'll do you one further, dk. I think this came from the goat, Bill Barnwell at espn. In their all time history against each other, the Seahawks and Rams are 29 and 28 against one another. The Seahawks have the slight edge. They're 29, 28. And Seattle has scored 1223 yards in those games. LA has scored 1222 yards.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yard.

[Danny Kelly]

Points.

[Craig Korbeck]

Points or yards?

[Danny Hypert]

Sorry. Points. Damn it.

[Craig Korbeck]

One yard, one point difference.

[Danny Hypert]

In the entire history, they are 29 and 28. And the Seahawks have scored one more point than the Rams.

[Craig Korbeck]

See, that's so good. That's so perfect. And I was on Bill's show the other day. Bill Simmons show. You can go check that out. And he asked me if Seahawk fans hate the Rams. And, and I was like, not really. That. That's not the right word. I think there's a grudging respect between the two teams because going back as Long as I can remember watching the Seahawks, or at least when they were in the same division, the Rams have always given the Seahawks trouble. Even when the Rams were one of the worst teams in the NFL, they were winning like two games a year. When they were in St. Louis, they were still taking the Seahawks down to the final minute of every game. It was so frustrating. So these teams just have a history of going toe to toe. It's always. It always feels like a heavyweight bout every time they play. And it's never. It's never the same type of game either, which is kind of what I was getting at it before. Like, the two games that they played. So this year were totally different stylistically. And so, man, I don't know what to expect. I honestly don't know what to expect. I'm. I'm feeling good about the Seahawks. Like, I feel as good about the Seahawks as I have all year and as I possibly could right now. But I'm also. I. I fear the Rams. I think they're a great coach team with a really good quarterback and, you know, a lot of a good defense. A defense that can get after the quarterback and really has gotten into Sam Darnold's head in the last couple of games I played. So this is just going to be a crazy game. I honestly don't know what to expect. And it still hasn't sunk into me that if the Seahawks win, they're going to the Super Bowl. Like, that has not sunk in. It's kind of.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you excited? You. I was going to say, I don't know.

[Craig Korbeck]

It has not sunk in. I've been so busy doing draft guide stuff that I haven't really thought about the game or I've been able to sit down and like, really stew on this game quite yet. I'll probably do that on Saturday, but it's just crazy that, you know, the last time this happened was 2014. The Seahawks beat the packers in the NFC championship game, one of the craziest games I've ever seen, and they went to the Super Bowl. Obviously, the super bowl was super depressing, but, yeah, it's been. It's been a while since I've been in this position as a fan, so it's. It's really exciting, but I'm also. It just hasn't sunk in for me yet.

[Danny Kelly]

So. Rams, Seahawks. This is the third time they're playing this season. The first game, the Rams won and Sam Darnold threw four interceptions. The second game, the Seahawks won. 16 point comeback. Maybe like the best Thursday Night football game ever. And that's the one with Rasheed Shahid.

[Craig Korbeck]

Rashid.

[Danny Kelly]

I rewatched and I think I forgot that that was actually he was already in the end zone when that happened. So I thought it was like the five yard line.

[Danny Hypert]

The producer was in Al's ear. Like, Al, he literally scored. He scored.

[Craig Korbeck]

You gotta say something.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like lying down in the end.

[Craig Korbeck]

Zone and he's fielded the punt when he, when Rashid Shahid was like at the 10 yard line or he's talking.

[Danny Kelly]

About a game from 20 years ago when he fielded the punt. This was the Zach Charbonnet two point conversion game too. That one. But if you, I, I keep including. I think it has to be included. If you go back like 53 weeks, the Sam Darnold Vikings meltdown that ended up be giving the Vikings the confidence to let him go into Seattle, which was also against the Rams in the playoffs. Or maybe that was the wild card round. Sorry, that was definitely the wild card round. But so 54 weeks. But if you include that. So Darnold's last three games versus the Rams. He has a grand total of three touchdown passes, seven interceptions and 13 sacks in Darnold's last three games vs. The Rams. I think that the term kryptonite is probably overused, especially because I don't think anyone cares about Superman for Craig and I's age. But this is like a real, like he is powerless against this one team. So again, dk, you pretty deftly, completely and utterly skirted my question earlier. But I will ask you again, how confident are you that Sam Donald will not go full CJ Stroud?

[Craig Korbeck]

I said I'm not confident.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, fine, fine.

[Danny Hypert]

Are you said you're not confident in Darnold and yet you're confident the Seahawks are going to win the game.

[Craig Korbeck]

I feel as good about the Seahawks defense. I guess I should.

[Danny Kelly]

Fine. Yeah, let me rephrase. Who are you more confident will not lose the game for their team, Sam Darnold or Jared Stidham?

[Craig Korbeck]

I mean, I feel better about Sam Darnold than Jared Stidham.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Korbeck]

I gotta give him that much. But I mean, what your point is very correct that it's been, he's. The Rams have been sort of the big bad for Darnold the last two years and it's very scary that this is a do or die game to go to the super bowl and Sam Darnold has that history. I will say at the end of the last game between these two teams, Darnold did kind of get the monkey off his back a little bit. He had a really good fourth quarter and a really good overtime period. Made some incredible.

[Danny Kelly]

It was. It was overtime. He kind of blew it in the fourth quarter.

[Craig Korbeck]

Quarter. Well, whatever happened, he had two touchdown passes in the fourth quarter, I believe.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but he also had. Didn't have two interceptions in the fourth quarter too. I was like, I don't know. I was looking back and I was like, man, he could have.

[Craig Korbeck]

Well, the order in which it happened was he ended up doing well at the end is all.

[Danny Hypert]

I won the game. Yeah, he won the normal way.

[Craig Korbeck]

Stop trying to normal. I mean, obviously we ended up picking.

[Danny Kelly]

Up a 20.1 version.

[Craig Korbeck]

What are you trying to get out of me? Exactly? I feel like I've already answered your question five times.

[Danny Hypert]

We're buttering you up to make you take The Rams and Ringer 107 at the end of this. At the end of this episode. Don't.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

Do you guys think the bird's eye view, the like kind of general fans opinion on this game is that the Seahawks are the better team and should win? I feel like DK disagrees with this, but I've kind of been saying this the last few weeks, that even though Sam Darnold led the NFL in turnovers this year, to me as a non Seahawk fan who has not been watching every Seahawks snap religiously, it doesn't feel like Sam Darnold led the league in turnovers this year because they're 15 and three because they kick the shit out of everybody and they're a dominant team. So to me, I think going in, a lot of people are going to be like, oh, the Seahawks just kicked the shit out of the Niners. They've been playing fantastic. Their defense looks unstoppable and the Rams just look super shaky against Chicago and they barely won that game. I think the Seahawks are going to win and to me, I'm much more nervous about this game. And I know that the Seattle defense is obviously the best unit on the field. However, it's like I zoom out for a brief moment and I'm like, if I just talk to some, you know, a dad flew in and is sitting down to watch football for the first time this year. And I described to him the situation. I'm like, Sam Darnold and Mike McDonald in the NFC championship versus Matt Stafford, who's probably gonna win the MVP and Sean McVay who have already won a Super Bowl. Who do you trust more, by the way? The last four games, Sam Donald has played against the rams. He has seven picks and 16 sacks. Who do you feel good about? To me, I'm like, God, I'm terrified of Sam Darnold in this game.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, this is so. Yeah. What comes to my mind when you're talking about that is like, my first defense of the Seahawks would be like, they have an awesome defense. Their defense is sick.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

But the two games that the Rams have played, the Seahawks this year, they've averaged 29 points. So these are the. This is the only offense that they've really kind of sucked against.

[Danny Hypert]

I mean, the Rams had over like, 500 yards of offense. And that crazy game in Seattle at the end of the season, that's really.

[Danny Kelly]

Half the yards they've ever had against Seahawks in their whole history. Right.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's right. I think. I think the bottom line is that everything we've kind of said and led up to this is like, this is going to be an amazing game. I truly don't know which way I lean on this game. I picked before the playoffs started, I picked the Rams to go to the super bowl just because I thought they were kind of the red herring of the NFL. They lost late in the season and kind of fell off, but they were still one of the best teams. They had the MVP quarterback or one of the top MVP candidates in Matt Stafford. They got Sean McVay. They've done this before. They're super bowl champions with this nucleus. So I just kind of thought they're being overlooked. But now when this is. This game is really happening, it's just a true toss up again. I. I do feel pretty good about the Seahawks. The way that the Seahawks are playing right now, the confidence that they have, the just the absolute ass kickings that they gave to the 49ers the last two games. I feel like they're going to be really riding high and then on. And then conversely, the Rams have been kind of, you know, they've been beat up. They had to play that really tough game in Chicago, and they just haven't been as sharp, I think, as. As they were for the most of the rest of the season over their last couple of games. So I think that kind of leads me to think the Seahawks might be able to pull this one out. Plus, they're at home.

[Danny Hypert]

That's what I'm saying. I do think that things are leading you towards picking the Seahawks.

[Danny Kelly]

The.

[Danny Hypert]

The Rams haven't looked good in, like a month.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Hypert]

They've been dominating people. I mean, they almost lost to the Panthers. They had to create a miracle, come back to beat the Panthers had a crazy game against Chicago. Stafford's fingers hurt.

[Craig Korbeck]

All this stuff, my fingers hurt.

[Danny Hypert]

I, and yet, I don't know, I get really nervous. You know, this is like the Bill Simmons playoff manifesto type stuff where I'm like, on Monday morning, am I going to wake up and be like, of course I should have chosen Matt Stafford over Sam Darnold. Like Matt, Sam Darnold led the league in turnovers this year. Matt Stafford threw for 46 touchdowns only at eight picks. He had 11 turnovers on 627 drop backs this year. Stafford was really, really, really good this year.

[Craig Korbeck]

And, and the Seahawks, by the way, haven't really been able to pressure Stafford in the two games that they played him this year. They, I want to say they have zero sacks or one sack against Stafford all year, and that worries me because that's kind of the big part of Seahawks thing, is that they are incredible at getting pressure, getting sacks without blitzing. So it's like from a chess point of view, in terms of the chess match between McVeigh and McDonald, I think it's going to be really fun to see kind of how they change things up. Like I said, both games are totally different. What are they going to do to try and get more pressure on Stafford in this game? Are they going to like, bring a really blitz heavy something to the, to the table? I don't know. It's just going to be a lot of fun to see kind of how this game plays out.

[Danny Hypert]

Where is Sam Darnold's oblique at right now? Is it good? Is it hurt?

[Danny Kelly]

Fine. I think Darnold's oblique, I don't know. But you guys, if I watched last week's game of the Niners Seahawks game and I didn't know about Darnold's oblique, it would not have occurred to me that his oblique was hurt.

[Danny Hypert]

I mean, he played like two meaningful quarters and through like 16 passes, but.

[Danny Kelly]

But the passes he threw were pretty incredible. I'm not worried about that.

[Danny Hypert]

I, I, oh, I, I don't, that's funny. To me, that matters. I'm like, oblique injuries don't go away. Those are pretty serious injuries. And it's been like eight days since he last heard it. He didn't throw the ball for.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's gonna be, he's gonna be on a lot of drugs.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm not really concerned. I mean, the fact that he had that Jackson, Smith and Jigba throw rolling left to the end zone, with the amount of Heft he put on it. I'm kind of like, that's the exact kind of thing, like the torque you need across your midsection. I don't know.

[Danny Hypert]

I'm not gonna pretend to know about injuries and just assume he's healed, but I, I'm like, if, if he was hurt enough to not throw a pass for two days, I feel like that's.

[Craig Korbeck]

Not that about Stafford too, right. Like his. After he hurt his finger, his fella.

[Danny Kelly]

How about Stafford's back? He had an Airstream for three weeks in a parking lot and then he's played all, every game and he's gonna win mvp. I'm not really worried. I don't know.

[Danny Hypert]

Well, I, I watched him play 18 straight games and look great. Sam Darnold threw 16 passes in a mean.

[Danny Kelly]

But I think, yeah, I get what you're saying. I, I don't know. I, I think, Craig, I hear what you're saying about the whole like, oh, if I pick the Seahawks and the Rams win, I feel dumb taking Darnold over Stafford.

[Craig Korbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

If the Seahawks fucking obliterate the Rams, you're gonna be like, oh, so this is one of the best defenses ever. And I didn't pick them. Even though the ultimate playoff rulers defense wins championships in every sport. And the Seahawks are like a borderline historic defense. I mean this, the other stat that's been going around. I mean, so well, one, Dante Koppelowitz Fleming had this, that Matt Stafford led the NFL in passing yards. The Seahawks allowed the fewest points in the NFL. And then in the last 50 years, the player who led the league in passing yards is.06 in the playoffs versus the number one scoring defense. And one of those, of course was the Seahawks Broncos super bowl where the legion of boom went against the Peyton Manning offense that broke every record in the.

[Danny Hypert]

Did they win that Super Bowl?

[Danny Kelly]

I, I don't remember. I don't know if the six have. Yeah, maybe the Super Bowl. I don't remember.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh, they did.

[Craig Korbeck]

It was 43 to 8.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

[Craig Korbeck]

I think that was the final score. It was ass kicking.

[Danny Hypert]

You're right. I mean, you're right. Hype. It's the defense. I, I understand defense wins championships things, but usually, you know, look at like the Eagles last year, right? Fantastic defense, but their, their quarterback was Jalen Hurts, who his entire Persona is built around not turning over the football. And we've seen teams like Houston, who has a fantastic defense. When you have guys like C.J. stroud, they lose.

[Danny Kelly]

So what Are you saying here, are you saying Darnold does feel like he led the league in turnovers or doesn't? Because on one hand you're saying you don't feel like you're worried about it. Now you're like, what if he pulls the stroud?

[Danny Hypert]

I'm saying now that we're in the playoffs and I and I'm looking back and going, holy shit. I didn't really realize that Darnold had led the league in turnovers this entire season because the Seahawks were winning these games. I'm now nervous against a team in the Rams who we can all agree are the second best team in the NFL that relying on a guy who led the league in turnovers is a little nerve wracking to me as all.

[Craig Korbeck]

Especially after the Seahawks just lost one of their reliable running backs in Zach Charbonnet.

[Danny Kelly]

Overall, that matters a lot, the Charbonnet injury. I think the Rams are going to blitz the Seahawks a lot. And I think that the Charbonnet injury matters because Ken Walker is like this boom bust runner. And I mean, Ken Walker, he has a lot of like, you know, he gets stuffed, but he also has big plays. The second Rams Seahawks game this year, honestly, the first three, three quarters basically was just all the Seahawks yards, which is Ken Walker explosive plays and just big crazy plays that he was creating. But he has a lot of home runs and strikeouts. Zach Charbonnet is the on base guy. Zach Charbonnet is the one getting, grinding out the four yard carries and keeping the offense on schedule. And so I think when Zach Charbonnet is out, Ken Walker is going to get the most of the, of the rushing workload. So now the run game's a little more home run hitting strikeouts, but the passing game is kind of also boom bust. So now the Seahawks offense can tend to be more boom bust. And I just feel like the Rams are going to blitz a lot. I feel like Cam curl, the safety is going to be almost what Jaquan Brisker in that Bears game was to the Rams where you saw like Jaquan Brisker in that Bears game against the Rams. He was like that one drive, he had like a huge, huge play to blow up a run in the backfield, then the next play to sack and then on third long at a pass breakup. I think that's actually going to be like Cam Curl in this game where he's going to be everywhere and just kind of in the box and they're going to be trying to get Darnold into like these second and Third and longs and then like trying to. I think they're going to blitz the shit out of him because they. I think the Rams haven't really blitzed Arnold in any of these past three games that they've played versus him. But I think they're going to want Darnold making a lot of quick decisions and they're going to trade getting gash sometimes for they just kind of want. I think they're just going to want Darnold to throw a couple picks and really make a mistake early and get in his head. I do think Darnold's like I can't remember a game where a quarterback's like mental resiliency felt like such a part of the equation where like Darnold's the scene ghost guy. And ironically, if the Seahawks win this game, you might get to play the Patriots, which was the seeing ghost game. But Darnold's ability to make a mistake early in this game and move on. I can't remember the last time it felt so important to a game.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah. When the Rams were able to pressure Darnold this year, he had a 50% completion rate, one touchdown and four picks.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. And the overall turnover margin in the two games that they played is seven to one. So Seahawks seven turnovers, in the Rams only one turnover.

[Danny Hypert]

But a testament to Seattle's defense that all. Both those games are so close. Despite that.

[Danny Kelly]

Well at the defense we have to. The Seahawks defense is the reason I, I am going to push to take them also because DK is a Seahawks fan and I kind of refuse to root against the Seahawks or dk.

[Danny Hypert]

Sake would be funny though.

[Danny Kelly]

It'd be funny.

[Craig Korbeck]

I mean emotional hedge.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean just to get through this. So first we just. So Aaron Schatz does this stack called dvoa, which we talk about. But just a reminder what DVOA is, which is it's like context adjusted performance. So it's like his 10 yards on a play. Good. Well, 10 yards is great on third and 10 and 10 yards is pretty shitty on third and 20. And then if you do that versus the jets, it's not really as impressive as doing it versus the Texans. That's kind of all DVOA is. It's taking all these stats talk about into a context. So with dvoa, which is really, really matches the eye test, the best scoring teams by dvo, the best teams in the history of the DVOA stat are the 1991 Washington team, the 2007 Patriots that went, you know, 18 and one the 85 Bears, the 1989, 49ers. And then fifth on the list is this year's Seattle Seahawks.

[Craig Korbeck]

They're somehow higher than the frickin Seahawks who beat Peyton Manning in 2013. The, like one of the greatest defenses I've ever seen in my life. They're somehow better in DVOA than that team. And this, this is the other thing that I was going to bring up, by the way.

[Danny Hypert]

This is.

[Craig Korbeck]

I saw this from Aaron Shots too. This is the best game of all time in the playoffs according to the DVOA matchup. This is two of the top 10 teams in DVOA history.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know, because that Steelers, that.

[Danny Hypert]

Steelers Texans game, that was real football.

[Craig Korbeck]

And I do feel like it's been building to this for the last two months. Right. Like we've been talking about this for a while. I will say that the other, the couple things I wanted to add to the, to the mix here, that kind of again, sort of pushed me in the Seahawks direction a little bit. Even though I'm very wary of doing this is number one. It's playing in Seattle. The Seahawks atmosphere in Lumen Field, formerly Century Link. It feels like it's back. I talked to a couple of people that were at that game last week against the 49ers and the vibes are just out of control. Good. You talk, you, you hear people talking about how loud it is in there. It's not been the case really for the past six, seven years that that's been a good home field advantage. In fact, they've, they haven't really had a very strong home field advantage there. But it does feel like that is back. That's like a big variable here. The, the crowd noise. It's going to be very hard to communicate for the Rams. There was this funny video going around this week where Matt Stafford was trying to give a play call to the offense and Sean McVeigh's just like in his ear for like 10 or 15 straight seconds. He's like, he's still talking. He's still talking.

[Danny Hypert]

He's like, oh my God, shut up. I got it, I got it.

[Craig Korbeck]

So that's going to be a variable potentially here, is they're going to have to go to like silent counts and things like that. The communication between Stafford and McVeigh is going to be affected theoretically. Obviously their veteran coach and quarterback, they've been together a long time. It's probably not going to be like a huge devastating factor, but I do think it is something to talk about and the other big thing, and this goes along with the home field advantage is special teams have been such a detriment for the Rams. The Seahawks are one of the best special teams teams in the NFL. You know, Rashid Shahid has been a massive, massive X factor for him. The Seahawks have scored a league high. This is from Rich Rebar. Five touchdowns on special teams this year.

[Danny Kelly]

Rams missed the kick in that second game and that's why the game went to overtime is the Rams missed a.

[Craig Korbeck]

Field goal from 48 yards and they gave up a return touchdown. So they're in their top three in kickoff return yardage and punt return yardage. So the Seahawks got the Rams special teams coordinator fired after their last game. So that's a big variable here. And I think this is one of the things you talk about the Seahawks all year long is like they're just very good in all three phases. Offensively, they score a ton of points. Defensively, they're the one of the best units we've seen in a long time, maybe history. And special teams, they're very good on special teams. Their punters very good. Their kicker has been very reliable for the most part. So yeah, God, again, I don't know where to go with this. This game. It's going to be awesome. I do slightly lean Seahawks at because they're at home, but this does feel like a game where anything can happen.

[Danny Hypert]

Rashid Shahid is a big difference maker. Yeah, he is the type of. He's the type of player who's on super bowl winning teams.

[Craig Korbeck]

Also. I think they're going to use him in the backfield because now Charbonnet is gone. Yeah, he could be a little bit more of an X factor in the run game. They've gotten a lot of success from him where they're doing like reverses and things like that where they line him up in the backfield. So could be some creativity coming from that point of view.

[Danny Kelly]

I agree with that a lot. I think that that's actually been a theme of the playoffs. I think receivers in the backfield has been a theme actually in a lot of teams. And I agree. I think that she hit wasn't as integrated in the passing offense as you would think after he's traded there. Even though Kubiak was his offensive coordinator in New Orleans, you'd think there'd be a little more integration like of just him being used more. But the Rams game, the second one that Seattle won in, Seattle flipped when she did the punt return. But also on offense he had. They basically did the like you get an Xavier worthy style, like, hey, we've just recreated a punt for you, like do that. And she had had a huge play on that one too. I think it was maybe called back. But he was such a spark. And I think the Seahawks used the, the two weeks. I, I don't know but I kind of would be shocked if the Seahawks did not use the two weeks on by to create more Shaheed plays into the offense. And I don't think they had to use any of them because they were up like 17 to nothing on the Niners like immediately. So I don't think they had.

[Craig Korbeck]

I think there's 17 completions in that game.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, so he's actually playing more on offense. So I think he's a huge part of the game. I, the other part is just Kobe Turner, like I rewatched the game. Kobe Turner was just everywhere dominating the interior, which was again, that's, I mean every quarterback's issue is when there's interior pressure up the middle. But like it was actually Gray. Zable's probably worst game of the season was actually against the Rams. And it's like the Rams defensive line, it's when the Seahawks are in obvious passing situations, the Rams defense kind of cooks them. But when the Seahawks are staying on the Charbonnet schedule and they're getting the second and mids and the Rams can't defensive line doesn't get the. It's just cool as a pass rusher to be able to just say, I'm going to go sack Sam Darnold. It's more annoying to be like, I guess I have to also consider a run here. And that is kind of what it comes down to, I think the Rams defensive line, if they're going to have like the third and longs over and over, it's like it's hard to ask Arnold to do that over and over and over again. Again.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, it is funny how often the defense beats the offense historically. Like, I mean you go back to like the, the 16 and 0 Patriots. You look at like the Denver Broncos team against Seattle that the Seahawks allegedly won that Super Bowl.

[Craig Korbeck]

You're making a Bill Simmons joke right now, by the way.

[Danny Hypert]

And Bill had DK on to apologize, which I thought was really funny. He's like, I have nothing. I, I, it was a brain fart. I got nothing for you.

[Danny Kelly]

Which I respected.

[Danny Hypert]

And then, I mean, look, the Rams in 2019 against the Patriots, who were a phenomenal offense with Goff and, and Todd Gurley and stuff went in and lost. 30. I think that was 13. Three was at that super Bowl. How much?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, that was where the Rams had, like, the unstoppable offense. And then in the Super Bowl, Bill. Bill Belichick basically came up with a new way to stop their offense, and they couldn't adjust.

[Danny Kelly]

Bill Belichick was quite literally like, I have been doing this before you were born, literally. And I got to pull out a 1991 game plan.

[Danny Hypert]

History suggests the defense usually wins.

[Craig Korbeck]

The thing that's. I. I've had in my mind a couple times this week about this game is how much that super bowl loss to Belichick kind of sticks in McVeigh's mind and how important it is for him, I think, to not lean on kind of the things that got them there. Basically. Not just be too much, too predictable. And like, go back to last week. It was kind of strange. Last week, the. The Rams come out and play almost 11, like, almost exclusively 11 personnel after 13 personnel was their main thing or all year long. And they were so successful out of it. And they came out and. And kind of changed everything up. And it wasn't like a wholesale change, but it was very different from what they normally were doing.

[Danny Kelly]

It was different. I also think the Bears blitzed them out of it. I think they were trying to put the three tight ends on the field, and the Bears kept blitzing brisker and the defensive backs, and that forced the Rams to kind of be. Go from three tight ends to more like three receivers. And that was also a response to what the Bears were doing. So I kind of wonder. The Seahawks might do that, too. The Seahawks might try to blitz them and put them in three receivers instead of three tight ends. Because it worked.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, I. That was kind of what I was getting at is like, I think McVeigh is going to have something up his sleeve. I think that McDonald is going to have something up his sleeve to be different from what they've done. I saw Robert Mays did a really cool video on the Seahawks defense over at the Athletic, and he kind of talked about how the Seahawks have been. They've lived in too high. They. They live in nickel and dime packages. They almost never play base, and they're.

[Danny Kelly]

Really three linebackers on the field. The Seahawks are like, we're always just gonna have. We're gonna. Five defensive backs out.

[Craig Korbeck]

So that's nickel always. So nickel is five defensive backs, dime is five, six or more, which is.

[Danny Kelly]

Stupid because a nickel is five, but it's a Dumb name.

[Craig Korbeck]

But anyway, they. They've lived in that all year and I don't think they're going to do base. But the one thing that they might change up is they might blitz more in this game. That's kind of risky, obviously, when you're playing against, against Stafford because he's just so good. But they haven't been able to get pressure on him in the two games that they played.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he actually, you mentioned you thought that they actually haven't sacked the Stocks have not sacked Matt stafford Since Mike McDonald became the coach for the Seahawks. They haven't sacked him since 2023. Mike Sean Dukers Dugar said that on your friend Jackson Bevin's podcast Cigar Thoughts episode. But I could I. My jaw dropped when he said that. They haven't sacked Matt Stafford in two seasons.

[Craig Korbeck]

I think he missed a game or two.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's been three games, but there's, I mean, it's a lot of dropbacks. There's been a lot of plays for the Rams.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. For a team who has been one of the best at getting pressure this year, they don't blitz very much. I think, you know, they're like one of the highest pressure rate teams in the NFL. One of the lowest blitz rate teams in the. However, with the thing that May's pointed out is when the Seahawks do blitz, it's like a power up button. It's like they're, you know, their afterburner thing. They are one of the best teams at getting pressure and getting sacks of the last five years when they do blitz. So maybe this is kind of something that they've been like putting in their back pocket and saving. I don't know. I obviously have no idea what, what the game plan is going to be, but that's going to be something I'm watching is like how much are they going to blitz in this game? How are they going to do different things to get pressure on Stafford? Because it just hasn't really worked in the first two games. And so again, this is the chess match. It's going to be. It's gonna be crazy.

[Danny Hypert]

Is it called a dime package? Because on a dime package there's two nickel corners and two nickels is a.

[Danny Kelly]

Dimension, you know, that actually probably is it. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Craig Korbeck]

We figured it out. It was just right there in front of us, right? Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

One, two nickels is a dime.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

That's cool.

[Craig Korbeck]

No one even uses dimes anymore. They don't even make pennies.

[Danny Kelly]

They stop making pennies.

[Danny Hypert]

I can't believe that.

[Danny Kelly]

That's why. Yeah, they kind of just. I feel like they just decided that.

[Craig Korbeck]

Does people in your generation have cash? Do you guys carry cash?

[Danny Hypert]

People in our generation, and really the generation below us, they don't even carry wallets. Just pay with your phone.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I like having cash on me, but I think I'm the only one. I know that that feels that way. That's.

[Danny Hypert]

Everyone who's like 50 and up always tells me, you need to carry around cash at all times. And then everyone who's like, 20 years and younger is like, I literally don't even carry a wallet around here. I just use.

[Danny Kelly]

Then.

[Craig Korbeck]

D. Where do you even get cash?

[Danny Hypert]

Where. Where do you.

[Craig Korbeck]

Where does that come from?

[Danny Kelly]

It's.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, it's funny because it used to feel like. I think back in the day when kids, like, first got a credit card, that felt like free money. And now 20 bills to me feels like free money because I'm like, this is off the grid.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

I mean, like, there's no paper trace. There's no receipt of this. Like, I. I could. I could use anything for this. 20 bucks. And nobody will know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

And, like, their credit card is traced.

[Craig Korbeck]

There's a description of what I bought here. I don't like that.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, it's a Boomer thing, too. It's like, there's a Venn diagram between, like, parents who are, like, telling kids when you are trying to drive somewhere, they're telling you how to get there, like, and you're like, I just need an address. And they're like, okay, so you get on the highway and then you get off at exit 14. Take a look and like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna play. Those people also carry cash.

[Craig Korbeck]

I carry cash for the rest.

[Danny Hypert]

I mean, I. I'll even use whatever navigation system to get home from a place that I've come from a thousand times. Like, driving from the office to my apartment is something I've literally done a thousand times. And yet I will always use my map still.

[Craig Korbeck]

Is that mainly to see the traffic?

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, I think it's just in case there's, like, an accident.

[Danny Kelly]

It'll take me around it, but even.

[Danny Hypert]

If there wasn't, I still would.

[Danny Kelly]

We've been trained out of it, though. No, it's because the critical thinking. We've just don't have critical thinking while we're driving. It's like, I'm going to have maps on. I'm going to think about. I'm going to, like, listen to something.

[Danny Hypert]

I got to focus on my podcast.

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly.

[Danny Hypert]

Listening to.

[Danny Kelly]

Should we move on to the other game or should we just. I have an email about Boomers on this note.

[Danny Hypert]

No, we should. We should get through Drake Mae versus Jared Stidham.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, well, before we do that though, put a pit in this. We'll go to Ringer 107 later. But, like, we need to roughly be on the same page here. Do we believe in Sam Darnold, yes or no? Because it's either. You could be like, oh, he might be good and bad maybe, but no, no. He's either going to become a fucking pumpkin again and we're all going to be like, wow, Charlie Brown. Be like, this happened again. Or oh my God, he did it. Like, he played really well in this game. And I kind of want to make you guys pick one. And I am really. I am willing to be stupid. I actually believe in Darnold in this game.

[Danny Hypert]

I'm going to get outnumbered. I think I would pick the Rams, but I'm happy to take Seattle.

[Craig Korbeck]

Why did you leave me to it?

[Danny Hypert]

You're obviously. You're taking Seattle.

[Craig Korbeck]

You see. Yeah, I'll take Seattle.

[Danny Hypert]

I would take the points with the Rams, but I don't feel strongly.

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Hypert]

Should we do a little background on Jared Stidham for those who literally don't know who he is?

[Danny Kelly]

Please.

[Danny Hypert]

So just. Just for some. Some general background information. Jared Stidham, 29 years old. He was 29. Yeah, 29. A little older than I thought. I think I would have said 27. He was a former fourth round pick out of Auburn. He was drafted by the Patriots. He was then on the Raiders as Heifetz outlined, and now he's been on the Broncos since 2023. He will be the just the seventh quarterback to start in the postseason after not starting a game in the regular season. The previous six went one and five and better than I thought. This will be Stidham's fifth career start in the NFL. He has not thrown a pass since January 7, 2024 in a real game. And he has 197 pass attempts career. And in those, he had eight touchdowns, eight picks.

[Danny Kelly]

The thing I would add is that when he was drafted to the Patriots, it was like Josh McDaniels was the quarterback coach. McDaniels was his quarterback coach for two years at the Patriots. And then he also was the reason that he ended up on the Raiders in 2022. So he spent three of his however many seasons in the NFL under Josh McDaniels, who's obviously on the Patriot staff. That Was their coordinator.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's interesting.

[Danny Kelly]

The other thing Craig left, he left out two essential things about Jared Stidham. Okay. One, he's the speaker guy. I learned this from someone on the Broncos beat. He is in charge of the speakers in the, in the Broncos locker room.

[Danny Hypert]

Apparently he's on a water.

[Danny Kelly]

He's on aux.

[Craig Korbeck]

He has, he does the white boy Wednesdays.

[Danny Kelly]

He White boy Wednesdays. He does. He brings the waterproof speakers into the showers, I guess. And he's.

[Danny Hypert]

I thought White boy Wednesday was Houston, wasn't that.

[Craig Korbeck]

I was kidding Houston.

[Danny Hypert]

I didn't want to.

[Danny Kelly]

I didn't want to.

[Craig Korbeck]

That was a joke.

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah, no, but anyway, Stum's the speaker guy, which I couldn't tell if that was Nick or not because I, I, I'm like, that's not a Nick.

[Danny Hypert]

It's the object alpha.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah. It's a huge sign of trust.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

The other thing, the most important person at a party is the person playing.

[Craig Korbeck]

The team is behind this guy.

[Danny Kelly]

His leadership qualities. Really. He's in charge of vibes.

[Danny Hypert]

Trust his taste. That means a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

True. And also there's an established trust of him. Like people trust him to play music that actually, you know, it's important. The other thing I, Greg Rosenthal pointed this out. I couldn't believe it. So you know that meme that went around when Juwan Jennings in the Niners Eagles game had the longest pass of the game. Like he threw the trick play to Christian McCaffrey and then it went around the meme that he was like in the high school quarterback rankings. Juwan Jennings was a higher ranked high school recruited quarterback than like Joe Burrow and Sam Darnold and Lamar Jackson and all these people. She was like right there with Kyler Murray. The person who was number one on that list was Jared Stidham.

[Craig Korbeck]

Wow. Was he a five star?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he was like the 13th player.

[Danny Hypert]

So anyway, there's been moments throughout Jared Stidham's career where I remember in like the off season, it was kind of, oh, Jared Stidham actually might be the guy. Like the coaching staff might actually just want to like start the season with Jared Stidham. There's been a little bit of that, but it's clearly never materialized and was not a real thing.

[Danny Kelly]

But the point being that there's tools. Like he is like, he is going to be able to move and he, he has an arm. I this get. Dude, it's so funny. I got to tell you. I was thinking about it this way. If you flip Drake May and Jared Stidham, like Drake May was on the Broncos and Stidham was on Patriots. The line in this game that where we would pick the Patriots would have to be 14, right? Probably. Like the Broncos are such a better team to me and Drake Bay is such a better quarterback I that I actually have talked myself into the Broncos. And then in the sober light of the post game clarity, I'm like, I am not picking Jared Stidham to go to the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hypert]

I think you have more of a.

[Danny Kelly]

Chance than you think.

[Danny Hypert]

It's the bell curve. I'm like, Jared said I'm no way. And then I think about it for a while and I'm like, well, Sean Payton in his defense. Drake May's actually been pretty loose these playoffs. Like you could win with a backup in one game. Look at what lafleur can do with Malik Willis or Josh Dobbs in Minnesota won his first game. Look at Mac Jones on the ners. Like you can win a game with Sean Patri.

[Danny Kelly]

Patriots offensive line is terrible. Will Campbell and his T Rex arms. He since his MCL 20 to 17.

[Danny Hypert]

Sure you could. And then I'm like, no, what am I doing?

[Craig Korbeck]

I think that's pretty much where I am. Also, it's funny because I do think the people writing off Denver completely are, are making a mistake. I do think that they have a good enough defense. They're at home. You know that all that stuff and Sean Payton is a great coach. And there's just a lot of variables that I think the Broncos will stay in this game. I think the one thing. Well, there's multiple things I'm worried about with Stidham, though. It's like Bo Nicks has been so crucial for Denver this year because of what he's done late in games. Denver is 12 and 2 in one score games this year. That was from Rich Rebar. That is incredible. And that just is a testament to what Nicks is able to do late in games, obviously. And I don't think I tried. I don't think I trusted him to like, be a hero in those last moments of a big game.

[Danny Kelly]

Can I give you an intrusive thought?

[Craig Korbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't believe this. This is an intrusive thought. Part of me is like, you know, the reason Bonex has to bail him out all the time is because the Broncos were losing late in games. And part of me is like, what if Jared Stidham just has them right early in the game? And what if he's better than Bonix? Like I keep wondering, what if he just plays better?

[Danny Hypert]

Well, I don't think it's. What if he's better? It's. It's like the Broncos offense wasn't that good with Bo Nicks. And I, I don't know if that means I'm more confident in what they could do with Jared Stum or less, but I'm like, this offense was kind of mediocre this year, and the defense is really good and they won close, low scoring games. So I'm like, maybe they can be okay with Jared.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't actually believe that, but I have been wondering of, like, what is the percentage chance we come out of this? I'm like, yeah, Jared's did him way better. Like, he actually outplays Bo Dix. It'd be funny. But no, I. I don't know. I. I think that rust thing is real. Like, he hasn't play, like, the whole stat of, like, he hasn't. The gap between his last start and this next playoff starts, like, by far the most ever for a guy who's going to play in the playoffs. And that the rust is real.

[Craig Korbeck]

He gets the whole week to practice.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, that is true.

[Craig Korbeck]

Infinitely better than him coming in, like, you know, in the first quarter if Nick's got hurt or whatever. It's like that. That's a huge, huge difference. Not that I'm saying it's enough, but that does make a difference.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the. I think how this game's going to go, I. I think New England is going to. You know that scene in Pirates of the Caribbean when Jack Sparrow, like, he fights Orlando Bloom the first time and he, like, in the sword room, and they're just like, oh, not bad, actually. How's your footwork? And then they just. He just tests his game for like a full minute. He's like, oh, I think that's the pages. They're going to back up. Like, oh, go ahead, let's see it. Can you make screens?

[Craig Korbeck]

Cool.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you do it? And they're just going to actually see, literally, can he even run the offense? Like, go ahead. And the first drive, Sean Payton is going to try to do, like, the B side of the record. And then that second drive is going to be like, here's how we actually think we can move the ball for Jared Stidham in this game. And I think the Patriots, they're not going to go crazy or anything to be. They're just going to see Kenny actually operate the offense. This person has not done it in two years. And then if that doesn't go well, I will be very concerned. But I wouldn't be shocked if Stidham kind of dices up like a softer Patriots defense at the beginning of the game and then they kind of decide what they're doing and then they put the clamps on. But I don't know. I just think the problem for Broncos in this game isn't just that it's everything. It's the starting center, I think is coming back from injured reserve, but the center's banged up. The backup center is banged up with the quarterback. And then you also have, you know, Pat Bryant might play in this game, but the first three passes of Bill's Broncos game went to Pat Brian. He had a concussion. Maybe the odds are a little better he comes back because it's eight days, I think, between the games instead of seven, but that's not good. And then who? Troy Franklin, which I guess his whole thing was kind of connected with Bonix because they played together at Oregon. But Troy Franklin has a hamstring injury. I don't know if that gets better in a week. So the Broncos are a little thinner at receiver. Like, it's kind of. I just feel like it's going to be a lot of screens to Marvin Mims. Like they need a lot of Marvin Mims. Wacky stuff. I actually think they're going to have to test Christian Gonzalez downfield with Cortland Sutton, because I got it. They threw. I think they threw a Christian Gonzalez. The Texans did last week like 16 times, which I don't really think. I don't know. I feel like everyone's like, Christian Gonzalez is good and maybe you guys don't feel this way. I feel like when a cornerback is labeled as really good in the media, no one ever checks on it ever again.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

No one ever follows up.

[Craig Korbeck]

You don't hear his name?

[Danny Kelly]

No. And I just think Christian Gonzalez, we decided was good this year. But I. The Texans decided we're going to have a rookie, Jaden Higgins. We're going to throw a Christian Gonzalez 16 times. I kind of think the Broncos think Courtland Sutton's better than Jade Higgins. And like that's going to be their shot is now maybe not because they're going to be conservative, but I don't know. I think it's going to be a lot of dink and dunk from Sean Payton mixed with some crazy ass Sean Payton. Like I did an onsides kick in the Super Bowl. Sean Payton, I think R.J. harvey, the running back is Going to throw a pass in this game. I think you're going to have flea flickers. Like, I think you're going to have.

[Craig Korbeck]

Some tight end you've never heard of is going to score a touchdown.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. Like. Like sixth offensive lineman. Like, I think this is like, every trick in the book.

[Craig Korbeck]

God, who was that sixth alignment from last week? That's a touchdown. What was that?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, they threw it and it was.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I guess that guy kind of blew it for everybody.

[Danny Hypert]

It is going to be. It has to be a kitchen sink game. It's why it's going to stink if. If the. If Sean Payton pulls this off and they make the super bowl and then they have to go play like the Seahawks with Jared Stidham. And now Mike McDonald's got tape on Stidham, like, DK. It's funny because do you think the margin of victory for Seattle against Jarrett Stidham would be bigger or smaller than the Seahawks margin of victory against the best offense of all time in Peyton Manning?

[Craig Korbeck]

That's a good question. It's a good question.

[Danny Hypert]

Like, what they went when they want to get by 35 points. Like, would the Seahawks be. Jared said it by 35 points, maybe. Like, we desperately need New England to win this game. We can't have Jared Cinema squeeze his way into the. Speak for yourself. Well, then have Seattle playing Jared Stone. And we can't.

[Danny Kelly]

Also, if the Broncos win this game, what you're gonna hear, because Sean Payton also is. Talks to more people in the media than anyone over text. Like, people can just text him. Like, he doesn't have.

[Craig Korbeck]

Like, he's. He's laying out the narrative. He's clearly not texting me and. Well, or yet. Anyway. Have you tried Mad Texts?

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah, all we're gonna hear, though, is the Broncos win this game is that no coach has ever won the super bowl with two different teams, which is insane, but it's true. And then if he does it with Jiren Stidham and Bo Nix is hurt.

[Craig Korbeck]

I mean, I'll stop making fun of him.

[Danny Kelly]

If they win the season, unfortunately, we probably will have to, or else people will come for us. But, yeah, I. It's insane that it's either going to be that or the Patriots versus in a rematch of a game the Patriots have already won. It's either going to be Patriots Seahawks or Patriots Rams. We're going to hear about that or we're gonna have to do two weeks of Jared Stidham content. Which. Man, we're gonna need that playlist. Jared if you can help us, please. But yeah, this get the only thing I will give to the the part in the middle. Like at the beginning of this conversation, Jared stood and we're not going to bet him. The end is going to be Jared St. And we're not going to bet him. I will admit the middle is the rookie left tackle Will Campbell played well and then he went on injured reserve for his knee. And I think that people have gone too far.

[Danny Hypert]

People got cooked.

[Danny Kelly]

He got cooked. And that's the thing, people. It's not about his arms, it's his legs. He has an MCL injury and has returned and has been absolutely destroyed. And to the where I forget the exact stat, but I give him what, two forced fumbles and three sacks and all this stuff.

[Danny Hypert]

Will Anderson had his way with Will Campbell.

[Danny Kelly]

But the stat line Will Anderson had has only been done one other time in the history of the playoffs. And it was the other guy who faced Will Campbell the week before for the Chargers, which is a horrible, horrible sign. And so you had the Broncos, who have 68 sacks, the most sacks in the history of the team. They've Broncos have led the league in sacks for two years in a row. Nick Bonito is out here. You know, it's not easy to make sack is Josh Allen. And Nick Bonito is coming out of halftime. I mean I know the play before the first half is what people remember. Josh Allen kind of threw the ball away but but they also came out in the second half of the Bills Broncos game. And Nick Bonito goes ahead and strip sacks Josh Allen again immediately to start the half. And I just think Nick Benito and this Broncos defense that had the most sacks in the NFL is going to attack this Patriots offense where they have two rookies on the offensive line. It's by far the weakest part of the of the entire Patriots roster is the offensive line. It's a crazy mismatch. Drake May fumbled four times last week and that is the other part of this where if the Patriots lose weight, we're going to be like, oh yeah, we will remember the CJ Stroud Patriots performance for years of how bad he was. And the weirdest stat from the whole game is that Drake May had more picks and fumbles in that game than C.J. stroud did. And now he has to face a defense that's like the next best defense after the Texans. And the Texans just the ball didn't bounce their way. But if these fumbles bounce toward the Broncos, that is definitely, I think the way the New England's going to look the X factor.

[Craig Korbeck]

Um, this is going to be super simplistic. And I think that's kind of like sometimes it is good to just take a look from 30,000ft. And we talk about this all year. It's like a huge narrative. Maybe it's a cliche, but the teams that go to the super bowl are usually the teams that catch fire or peak at the right time. You know what I mean? Like, I'm thinking of the Ravens with flacco for in 2012. Like, they just peaked at the right time. They were so good for those four or five games, however many they played. I think it was whatever it was, three or four games. And it does just feel to me like the teams that are peaking right now are the Seahawks and the Patriots. The. The. The Rams are not peaking. I think the Rams are the Patriots peaking. Well, they've just beaten the Chargers and the Texans. Two really good defenses. I think their run game has been pretty good. Drake Mason, I think really. Admiral. He's played really admirably. Admirably against two.

[Danny Hypert]

No, you had it admirably.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's done an admiral job against two good defenses.

[Danny Kelly]

Admiral job.

[Craig Korbeck]

And I think on the. I think maybe they're not peaking, but relative to the Broncos, who really kind of. They did not go strongly into the playoffs and then they beat the Bills, but then they lost their starting quarterback to that point. They are not peaking.

[Danny Kelly]

By dva, the Patriots best four defensive performance of the year by DV Way are New England's last four games. The last four games are their best four.

[Craig Korbeck]

Conversely, and this is again from Rich Rebar, the Denver defense has not been nearly as good in the second half of the season as it was in the first half of the season. They're kind of going in the wrong direction. He listed out all these games. You know, they gave up a bunch of yards and points to the commanders and Marcus Mariota, they gave up a bunch of points and yards to Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen. So again, I'm just being super simplistic. Top level stuff like who's playing better right now. That's another way to kind of look at this. I think the Patriots are playing better.

[Danny Hypert]

I don't think we talked about the spread yet, but the Patriots are only favored by 4 1/2 points in this game, which.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it flipped like. But the Broncos were originally favored, so it flips A touchdown for Jared Stidham.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah. But I guess I'm a little surprised that there's only a two point difference between the Rams Seahawks spread and the Jared Stidham Drake May spread.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, but also seven points. I you don't usually I mean what do you wanted to move by Because I don't it takes Aaron Rodgers, it takes like Stafford to Jared Stidham to move a line 10 points. You know what I mean? Like it moves, it moved seven points I believe.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

The line right now is four and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah that's to me that's crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

I, I guess we got to do it. I, I, I, I just feel like.

[Danny Hypert]

Everything we're saying they're not going to blink and we're going to take New England -4 and a half which I mean everyone will take New England -4 and a half which maybe we'll learn that Vegas knows knows all and they're right but to me that that line seems low.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it will be a close game and New England will win and honestly we're all going to lose the bets and New England will win the game which is the worst case scenario. But Patriots can win by three because I think that what they're I think that Vrabel, unlike the Texans who made the sin of Stroud fumbled five times and then somehow came in and through four first half picks. I think Drake may will be more prepared to not turn the ball over because I think vrabel and Josh McDaniels understand that if the Patriots don't turn the ball over they're overwhelmingly likely to win this game because of the nature of it. And yeah the I, I, I just trust the coaching staff to make those corrections more than I trust trusted the Texans for example. I'm just disappointed that they're gone but overall I, I don't know the other part. I do keep wondering about the digs in this game too because I keep thinking about that Broncos Jags game where Parker Washington just kind of kept burning ironically McMillan who had that pick on Brandon Cooks that no one will stop talking about is I kind of think that's who actually the Patriots are going to target this game. Is it going to be diggs on McMillan? Yeah the anyway we can talk about this a lot but it's we're not taking Jared Stidham. Right.

[Danny Hypert]

I don't know like to me the Denver offense I think they were 16th and 19th in success rate this year. They were 16th in scoring and a lot of the mobility stuff that Bo Nix brings to the table was a huge piece of I feel like what that offense was capable of and Bonix Bailing them out of things, hitting big throws on the run, scrambling saving them on third down.

[Craig Korbeck]

Is a little bit of Brock Purdy in him?

[Danny Hypert]

Totally. And I'm like, man, they also can't run the ball. I mean they ran for like 40 yards last week against Buffalo and New England has a good run. D I to me, I feel comfortable taking four and a half and I think we don't overthink.

[Danny Kelly]

I think so too.

[Craig Korbeck]

Sweet.

[Danny Kelly]

The Ringer Fantasy Football show is brought to you by FanDuel. Four teams left, two games, and with a trip to Super Bowl 60 on the line, FanDuel's turning on playoff mode. And right now, all customers get a profit boost pack during the conference championship round. That means you'll find a pack loaded with multiple profit boosts waiting for you in the app. More boosts means more ways to level up your playoff bets. So visit fanduel.com ringer fantasy and and grab your profit boost pack for the NFC and AFC championships. 21 and present in select states or 18 and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. Okay, you guys want to do Ringer 107 right now? And then we'll get to the news and the Bills press conferences or. Okay, let's just finish up these games. So Ringer107. Today's Ringer107 is brought to you by Fandom. We are going. We're in this contest with all the other Ringer pods tied for first. No big deal. Even though you know they're trying harder. But we're winning. So. So we're doing this. We're not thinking we're taking the Seahawks giving two enough points to the Rams because I, Craig, can disagree and you can say I told you so if Darnold sucks. I don't want to be in the position of the Seahawks winning against the Rams. And Danny Kelly is like on the precipice of his team going to the super bowl and I'm like rooting against his team. I don't want that to happen.

[Craig Korbeck]

That might not be good for our friendship.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, no, I want to be on your side.

[Craig Korbeck]

Be careful what you say to me on Sunday.

[Danny Hypert]

What are you talking about? I'm taking the Seahawks with you.

[Danny Kelly]

You're voting for the ranch, your brother.

[Danny Hypert]

I'm not gonna be rooting for them if we have The Seahawks in 107. Maybe secretly.

[Craig Korbeck]

But that's fair.

[Danny Hypert]

That's fair.

[Danny Kelly]

Seahawks. And we're taking, we're taking New England. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, it's. I can. What we should really do is make one of our bets. The Patriots to win by, by exactly three points so that we lose the bet, but the Patriots go to the super bowl because that's what's going to happen.

[Danny Hypert]

I just, I can't imagine. I can't believe that we're so close to Jared's that of being in the Super Bowl.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. We're not, we're not acknowledging this. Yeah. I don't understand it, and I won't acknowledge it.

[Danny Hypert]

What's the spread gonna be if they, if what's the Seahawks Denver spread gonna be?

[Danny Kelly]

30. It's a funny point. They beat the greatest offense ever by.

[Craig Korbeck]

More or less than either the Rams or the Seahawks. It probably would be like eight or eight, maybe.

[Danny Hypert]

I wonder what the largest super bowl spread of all time is.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, that's a fun question.

[Danny Kelly]

It's probably, it's probably the third one. It has to be the Jets, Colts game, the Super Bowl 3. I can't imagine there was ever a bigger spread than that.

[Craig Korbeck]

Maybe Championship games, but the Chargers versus 49ers in 95.

[Danny Hypert]

It was a, it was a 19 point spread. What?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Well, that's because. Yeah, that's the. So the end of the AFC 8.

[Danny Hypert]

It was 18 and a half.

[Craig Korbeck]

The Niners were good, apparently.

[Danny Kelly]

Jesus Christ.

[Craig Korbeck]

95 Niners.

[Danny Kelly]

The NFC Championship game was seen as the super bowl for like a really long time. Like, the team that won the NFC just won the super bowl for like, mostly for like 15 years.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's wild.

[Danny Hypert]

And they covered.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, did they?

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, they won. 49, 26.

[Danny Kelly]

That's awesome. Well, keep that in mind. So what are, what are the other bets we're gonna do here? So we have to have four bets in this round. We have to have some props, too. I, I, Part of me thinks, should.

[Danny Hypert]

We just try to play rushing?

[Danny Kelly]

What is it? What's the number? Should we just not care and do it?

[Craig Korbeck]

Let me see what I can. I'll find it real quick. It's 30.5.

[Danny Hypert]

Done. Give me that.

[Danny Kelly]

And then what else it.

[Craig Korbeck]

Give me that.

[Danny Kelly]

The other one I want. Rashid Shahid's receiving is over 23 yards. And I kind. And he hasn't Done that a lot. He's done it, like, twice since he's been a Seahawk. I kind of just love the idea of us getting that in one play.

[Craig Korbeck]

Dog.

[Danny Hypert]

Book it.

[Danny Kelly]

Want it. So there. We spent no drink. May. Over rushing yards blind. We don't know. What is it? 30. Whatever.

[Danny Hypert]

30 and a half. Whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, 30 and a half. And then Shahid over 23 and a half receiving yards or whatever. The. I'll pull up the yardages.

[Craig Korbeck]

That one scares me a little. I'll be honest. But, I mean, why.

[Danny Kelly]

Because he's done it once in, like, three months.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, they just don't really use him on offense. But, I mean, he is such an electric player that I don't, like, hate this.

[Danny Kelly]

No, there is absolutely no.

[Craig Korbeck]

If it was rushing or receiving yards, I feel better about it.

[Danny Kelly]

There is no statistical argument I can make that Shahid will do this just off. He hasn't done it. It's entirely the idea that they have had, at this point, three weeks to get this man the ball, and I just think they will. But no, he's had, like, two catches a game, so. No, I mean, if by all means, we could do something else.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. In the last. Okay, this is their last four games. Here's his receiving yards. 0280. Yeah, that's fine.

[Danny Hypert]

It's 20. What?

[Danny Kelly]

23.

[Danny Hypert]

23.

[Craig Korbeck]

Why is it so high? Get out of here, Vegas.

[Danny Kelly]

He's good.

[Craig Korbeck]

All right. We'll take it. Maybe he just needs one. He just needs one.

[Danny Hypert]

He's like, my God. That is. That is a high number. Actually, you know what's funny?

[Danny Kelly]

I was gonna offer to let you guys pick something else. I actually. Now I'm dug in. I kind of want to keep it.

[Craig Korbeck]

I'm fine.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you guys want?

[Danny Hypert]

No, no, I. I don't. I'm good with that.

[Craig Korbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Hypert]

I Love Shahid.

[Danny Kelly]

Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel. Odd subject to change. Okay, you guys want to do some news here before we get out of here? News, dude. We got this. Bill's owner doing this press conference that made everything worse is one of the funnier non. Jerry Jones owner press conferences in a long time. Yeah, I.

[Danny Hypert]

Tough beat for Keon Coleman. Everyone's basically arguing over who took him and which was, like, the worst of the year. It's like, no, I didn't take him. You took him.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you remember Keon Coleman when he was drafted and we're. And he was, like, going shopping for, like, a. A co. In Buffalo and It was so sweet. And everyone's like, wow, this is like the sweetest guy. And everyone loved him. And now literally the owner is throwing coaches under the bus because they wanted him.

[Danny Hypert]

He's watching people. Keon Coleman is sitting at home watching people fight over who deserves blame for taking him.

[Danny Kelly]

God, that sucks for those who didn't see this. So Terry Pegula, who. The Pegula who owns the Bills, whose daughter is also competing in the Australian Open right now. So the owner of the bill said, did this joint press conference with Brandon being the GM because the GM got promoted to president, but head coach Sean McDermott got fired. And it was just like.

[Craig Korbeck]

Which a lot of people thought was the exact opposite of what they should have done.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. And so it was one of those peaks behind the curtain where you're like, you know what? This is just an old man who's very angry. And. And so Terry Piccolo, Brandon Bean, the GI now president, was asked about the Keon Coleman. You know, he was a healthy scratch for four games. Like, I know Keon Coleman, I feel bad for him. But also he literally, I think he was late for something. But he first round pick who literally was healthy and did not play for a month on a team, healthy scratch. That's how bad he was. So the owner interrupts the answer from the GM and says, I'll address the Keon Coleman situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted Keon, but Keon was not Brandon's next choice. That was Brandon Bean being a team player and taking the advice of his coaching staff, coaching staff who felt strongly about the guy. And, you know, he's taken, for some reason, heat over it. I'm not saying a word about it, but I'm here to tell you the true story, which was the end quote. And then all these videos came out. Brandon being at the, at the combine.

[Craig Korbeck]

Saying, like, they, they had a piece of paper that said Keon Coleman no matter what.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Written down. We found that. No, basically he was really into him. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. He was at the combine talking, oh, he's slow. 40. Good. It'll make it easier to get him. He was saying the night before the draft, they have him on camera and he was just like, I, I, unless someone blows us away with a trade off, we're taking Kevin Coleman. All those things could be true. Like, it could have decided to go with the coaches and everything. But it. Whether Brandon Bean is a schemer or actually just a guy doing his best, it made him look Way worse to have it seem like the owner has a completely different version of reality. And I. The most generous charitable interpretation of this is that the owner is very out of touch, because the other part of the press conference was him saying, I didn't like the vibe in the locker room, so I decided to fire Sean McDermott. And they tried cleaning it up later and saying, like, well, it was a bunch of other things, too. It was the whole season. But it really seemed like he said, I decided to fire Sean McDermott basically because of the Broncos game and. And the aftermath. And so the reporters were like, so if the Brandon Cooks catch goes the other way, you keep McDermott? And he's like, I'm not getting into that. But that's what happened.

[Danny Hypert]

That's always the case. So many of these firings come down to such arbitrary things. Like, again, Lamar Jackson doesn't get hurt. Harbaugh's probably still in Baltimore. You know what I mean? Like, if Josh Allen doesn't fumble at the end of the second quarter, McDermott might still be the head coach of the Bills. Why are we talking about Keon Coleman so much? Like, why was that a subject?

[Craig Korbeck]

I think it was because they. There was a lot of consternation among the fan base that he wasn't doing enough to put weapons around Josh Allen. And he got really. Brandon Bean got really mad in the media multiple times, basically saying, shut the up. We've been the highest scoring offense two years in a row, or whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Spike the football last season, because they had started. And he was like, we've had 30 points eight games in a row. It's an NFL record. Why are you talking about wide receivers? Yeah, and it was one of those, like, he was right, but just don't say that screaming people. But the other reason we're talking about it is because they took Keon Coleman 31st. Sorry, the first pick of the second round. And the next pick was Lad Bikonki for the Chargers. And you could argue that the Bill. The Bills might have, like, super bowl appearances this year and last year if they had just taken Lad Bikon instead of Karen Coleman. But it's become just a. I think he's just the flashpoint for the Josh Allen angst that they haven't made a Super bowl with Josh Allen. And then it's the larger Bills angst that they, you know, made four Super Bowls in a row, didn't win any. Then they went 17 years without making the playoffs, and now they have this era again, and there is this existential angst underneath the surface that they're wasting another prime era for the Bills. And I think Keon Coleman just become a flashpoint because no one is ready to explain why Josh Allen can't make a Super Bowl. And so. But even Terry Piculo was like, I.

[Craig Korbeck]

Don'T know why they just made everything so much worse in this presser. It was hilarious.

[Danny Kelly]

Big time Streisand effect. Shout out to Chris B. Brown who posted that. That page from Bill Walsh's book about owners and GMs and coaches. And he's like, coaches are at. In the film room at midnight. And like the. Bill Walsh is like, coaches are in the room at midnight trying to like figure out what's wrong with the team. But like the owners at dinner with the GM and the assistant person and the personnel guy drinking martinis, talking about what they think might be wrong with the team. And. And they're like, I bet it's the fucking coach. Meanwhile, the coach is not at dinner drinking martini. He's actually trying to figure it out. And just. He just fucking nailed it. Nothing's changed.

[Craig Korbeck]

This is why this. It's a such a thing. I stress during this time of year always is the relationship between the coach, the GM and the owner. And this is just something that goes back year like, you know, through the generations. It's like the best and most the longest lasting. I think dynasties or just like successful eras is when there's harmony between coach, GM and owner. And then obviously quarterback helps a lot too. Those are kind of like the four pillars. But when you have like a little finger situation going on where he's just, you know, chaos is a ladder. That's not good. That's not just. That's not going to be good long term for the team. And that's exactly what Bill Walsh was saying. So it's so like presant too. Prescient. Prescient. I don't know which. How do you say that word?

[Danny Kelly]

I say prescient, but I'm not. The pronunciation freshened.

[Craig Korbeck]

It was. I feel like he probably wrote that in like the 80s or the 90s. Yeah, but it is, it's just so true that there's. The relationships between gm, owner and coach can be pretty up.

[Danny Kelly]

On that note, the Dolphins hired the combo of the defensive coordinator, Jeff Halfley from the packers as their head coach. And then the gm, John Eric Sullivan for the Miami was the assistant G or the assistant GM in Green Bay. Sorry, the vice president of player personnel and dk. You texted us this morning that you guys. You think these Two men look identical. And I. I was like, what are you talking about? I looked. I'm like, you know what? They are kind of like indistinguishable chads.

[Craig Korbeck]

They both have the same haircut.

[Danny Kelly]

At the very least, they just. They do look very similar.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

I will say energy. John Eric Sullivan, the gm. There's the picture that I sent you guys. He's doing an interview with Cameron Wolf. He's got the widest sitting stance I've ever seen in my life. He's a wide stance guy. This is the widest sit stance, power stance. He's straight up, spread eagled on this chair.

[Danny Kelly]

It's actually insane how wide his legs are in this photograph.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's a. It's a power move. I respect it.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah. Honestly, Cameron Wolf trying to kind of match him, though.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's doing. He's doing it. He's doing it well.

[Danny Hypert]

It's like a power stance off between the two of them.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's like how Trump shakes hands.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah. In the background.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's like tugging on your arm. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Hypert]

Who can, man spread the most?

[Danny Kelly]

That's what the Democrats are got to do. They got to go to the focus on the handshakes. They got to just power. You got to just go, spread.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Spread. Sit. Yeah. Other news. We were gonna Talk about Mike McDaniel going to the Chargers, but then it's like, he's not actually going to the Chargers. And I think everyone saw the John Harbaugh thing where the media will run with it before he signs the contract. And so Mike McDaniel was, like, reported as going to the Chargers, except it's not done at all.

[Craig Korbeck]

Leverage, potentially.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I think he's still interviewing for head coaching jobs, which is why I was confused about it. They're, like, expected to hire Mike McDaniel, which is not the same as hiring him. And if he gets a head coaching job, I feel like he would take that. So.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

I was excited to talk about the combination of having Jim Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel just as people who say words to reporters on the same team, like, between Mike McDaniel saying, you know, it's a great day to. Even though every day we're closer to death. And then everything Jim Harbaugh says, like, I would love the electricity of that. And also just the khakis with Harbaugh.

[Craig Korbeck]

And the philosophy Tuesdays, they just, like, talk. They just wax poetic about Harbaugh. Different. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

Gifts, Daniel. Some chickens, you know, Exactly.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I would believe anything. Those. Imagine those Two guys just talking and.

[Danny Hypert]

Having Walking on the beach together and Marina Del Rey. Sounds great.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, yeah, unlikely animal friendship. Only other thing we don't even. I don't know if we want to talk about. There's gonna be a lot of substation talk between San Francisco as the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hypert]

John Lynch.

[Danny Kelly]

John lynch acknowledging that the substation, they're like, we're looking into it. Like Aaron Rogers.

[Danny Hypert]

Like, they're just doing it to get people off their back. They're like, yeah, yeah, all right, we'll look into it.

[Craig Korbeck]

We're looking into it. They're hiring Ace Ventura Electricity Detective to check it out.

[Danny Kelly]

That would actually. Oh, God, that actually would be funny. There should be. There should be an SNL bit between now and the Super Bowls, like the guys at the substation, but because can you imagine if John lynch said, nope, we're not going to look into it.

[Danny Hypert]

Well, I don't know if you guys saw, but a couple of 49ers. McAFFREY and was it used. Check. Were at the warriors game where Jimmy Butler tore his acl.

[Danny Kelly]

You think they're contagious?

[Danny Hypert]

I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe just them.

[Craig Korbeck]

There's something quantum happening here. The quantum leap.

[Danny Kelly]

Quantum field. I. At some point, we'll have to. I. I do have to mention the guy who started all this, other than the players. But the guy who was like, made the thread that went viral, thought that it was related to Levi's stadium opening in 2014. And then they informed him that the practice facility has been near the substation since 1988. And he was like, oh, huh.

[Danny Hypert]

Never mind.

[Danny Kelly]

Whoops.

[Craig Korbeck]

Huh.

[Danny Kelly]

And, you know, he's starting a company that will help you with emf. But it's. Yeah, it's a good bit, though.

[Danny Hypert]

So they need to just build a bigger wall at the practice stadium so you can't see the subject.

[Danny Kelly]

You want to build a wall.

[Danny Hypert]

That's the only.

[Danny Kelly]

Should we put that as the chiron below? Craig.

[Craig Korbeck]

Craig wants to build a wall.

[Danny Hypert]

The wall needs to be bigger.

[Danny Kelly]

And you know what? Funny, Craig kind of. There actually already is a wall, right?

[Danny Hypert]

There is a wall.

[Craig Korbeck]

Just make it tall enough.

[Danny Hypert]

If you make it tall substation, the narrative disappears. Just make it bigger.

[Craig Korbeck]

It is Craig. Did I tell you guys this? Like, there was a tweet I saw where someone was like, yes, Fred Warner.

[Danny Hypert]

He'S back at practice. He's running around.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's gonna be so close. And then someone just, quote, tweeted and said, you could literally see the factory behind him in this picture, it's just, like, looming in the background, like, menacingly.

[Danny Kelly]

Usually the super bowl team would practice one of them at the Niners facility, right. The field. There's no way either team's doing that. Not because the MF thing's real, but because the players believe it. Which I do think that's why this theory and thing is, like, alive. I don't think any of the CMF is real. I think the reason this has had staying power is that.

[Danny Hypert]

Well, you think there's, like, a subconscious element where these players think that they're going to get injured because they're near the substation. So they do.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I think the players believe it, and that's a problem. I think the players actually believe.

[Danny Hypert]

But. But. So if they believe it, then what, the Niners?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, no, no. I'm saying.

[Craig Korbeck]

You ever heard of SIBO effect?

[Danny Hypert]

That's. That's what I just said.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm saying the super bowl teams, you can't have during super bowl week where your whole thing is eliminating distractions to the point where. The only part of Belichick's book I was fascinated by was that the first 24 hours after they make the super bowl, he's like, I am just doing hotel rooms for everybody. I am personally handling everyone's hotel and ticket requests. Tickets and hotels goes through Bill Belichick because he's like, I can't have players in dealing with that after Tuesday. He's like, all that has to be buttoned up. He's like, I want them thinking about their jobs. You can't have players, uncles, texting them about the fucking substation. And then they're like, googling. And you're going to have, like, the starting linebacker on your team in the Super Bowl. Googling, like, chat GPT. Like, what happens with emf. Like, you need them focused, that it's not worth going there.

[Danny Hypert]

Every press conference are like, we're not answering any questions about the substation. All right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, exactly. And it's.

[Commercial Narrator]

But that's.

[Danny Kelly]

The problem is, like, even though they're.

[Craig Korbeck]

Doing live readings of the fucking electromagnetic fields at all times.

[Danny Kelly]

But this is the modern media problem, too. It's like media day. It's all they're going to fucking hear about. If one team's at this facility, they're going to get asked about EMF all day, which is. Yeah, like, you can't go there, by the way.

[Craig Korbeck]

Craig, sorry, I was distracted and so I didn't hear your placebo talk, but the Ravens are planning to hire Jesse Minter. It's being reported now. So the Ravens are hiring Jesse Mentor.

[Danny Kelly]

As their new head coach for realsies.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's what Ian Rapaport, Adam Schefter, Pelissero, they're all saying.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think, I mean, that makes sense. He's part of the Harbaugh.

[Craig Korbeck]

It was an easy connection.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he was at the. He was at the Ravens for like three years. He's on their defensive thing. He was also. He's like, I, I think the, the pitch is very simple. He's the other Mike McDonald. Like, that is what the pitch is because he was also on the Raven staff. He was. I believe he was also in Michigan for a time on a gym. He's coached under both the Harbaughs.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, he won the title with Michigan, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So he was like with Jim Harbaugh there. Obviously he's with the Harbaughs now in the Chargers and he worked for John Harbaugh as well. And so it's an easy pitch where it's the same basically all the, like these offensive, like Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan weaved in these like, new weave the old and the new of like play action, wide zone offenses with modern passing and then just like completely change the league. And then Mike McDonald. The Seahawks is just like the counter revolution of like, here's how to stop that, which is how you have, like, Kyle Shannon has three games as a coach with three points and two of them are the last two games, like this month versus Mike McDonald. And so the pitches, they're like, we need a Jesse Minter as the other Mike McDonald, like, he's part of the new wave of defensive Shannon McVeigher in the new wave of offense.

[Danny Hypert]

And then the Steelers get Mike McCarthy because there's no good reason.

[Danny Kelly]

He's. Is he from Pittsburgh?

[Danny Hypert]

They love guys from Pittsburgh.

[Danny Kelly]

They love guys from Pittsburgh. Kenny Pickett's from Pittsburgh.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, bring him back.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Mike. The only candidates are going to be like, you know, Kurt signetti and Mike McCarthy. Just Pittsburgh guys. If you, you're not. If you hired Mike McCarthy for the Steelers, what would you actually do?

[Danny Hypert]

I would root for the Chargers.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait him out.

[Craig Korbeck]

He's out.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm out.

[Danny Hypert]

I would wait the mouth.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait him out.

[Danny Hypert]

I'm not doing that. I'm sorry.

[Craig Korbeck]

Two weeks later, Craig is all, oh.

[Danny Kelly]

I will say someone posted the HR meme of, you know, like, the guy comes by and he hits on the woman and it's like, you can't do that because he's ugly, and someone comes by and does it.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, you're sweet.

[Danny Kelly]

And it was like, McCarthy's record and, like, John Harbaugh are, like, shockingly similar.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Wins, losses, playoff record, super bowl, like, the amount of, like, just incredibly similar.

[Danny Hypert]

Nick Sirianni's is probably better than both of theirs. Wouldn't want him either.

[Craig Korbeck]

It is.

[Danny Kelly]

Fair enough.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

All right. One email we get out of here. I wanted to. This is an email from Alex.

[Danny Hypert]

Alex. A bone.

[Danny Kelly]

So Alex's breakfast was a mocha pot of coffee. Leftover scrambled eggs. My toddler did not eat.

[Danny Hypert]

Of coffee.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know what that means. I was hoping you guys would.

[Craig Korbeck]

Mocha pot of coffee.

[Danny Kelly]

M o K a. M o K.

[Danny Hypert]

A. I don't know. I'm not the biggest coffee guy. I wouldn't know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Right? Yeah. I think mocha is a brand of coffee.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Danny Hypert]

So he said a. He said a pot of coffee. He drank a pot of coffee.

[Danny Kelly]

He said a mocha pot of coffee. Okay, well, he's got the toddler not eating. I understand why you need the coffee.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, a mocha pot is a stovetop electric coffee maker.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh.

[Danny Kelly]

Huh.

[Craig Korbeck]

So maybe I was wrong. Oh, I see. Oh, there also is a mocha coffee.

[Danny Kelly]

I've seen these. It's a kind of. Yeah, I've seen one of these. I have one of these.

[Craig Korbeck]

So he had coffee.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh, yeah. These little guys he had caught.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I. I don't know how to use that. It's actually in my kitchen, this thing. You have a cabinet for stuff you don't use or not.

[Craig Korbeck]

A French press. Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

We have like a. I have like a. A random. A miscellaneous drawer that comes in handy way more than you think.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Love the miscellaneous drawer.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's just like this guy right here. Percolator. It percolates. I've actually used one of these before on a. Like, a barbecue.

[Danny Kelly]

So Alex writes in about Craig saying that the boomers have this weird thing about, like, swallowing pills without water and their ability to just dry swallow a pill.

[Craig Korbeck]

I got a text about this too, for my buddy.

[Danny Kelly]

I got to tell you, Alex hit the nail on the head here.

[Danny Hypert]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

He said that the boomers dry swallowing pills is part of a larger thing. Boomers don't drink water.

[Danny Hypert]

That's true.

[Danny Kelly]

And Alex writes, my boomer dad goes through six Cokes a day, two frappuccinos in the glass bottles, and he has a big glass of milk with dinner.

[Craig Korbeck]

Is there our friend Sludge?

[Danny Kelly]

Sludge is My friend. Our friend's boomer dad moved into her new. Moved her like the dad moved the daughter into a new apartment on the fifth floor. No elevator was visibly gassed. She offers him water. He turns it down, asks for a Coca Cola. She doesn't have it. So he settled on a shot of tequila.

[Craig Korbeck]

Whoa.

[Danny Kelly]

And then he says, all moms in the south need to have sweet tea when we go out for dinner. The water on the table is purely decorative.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. And he says drinking water with a pill is off putting because they'd rather raw dog the pill than drink water. I think this is dead on. My father does not drink water. He. Jackie's mom, we just got her to start drinking water recently. She has a little water bottle now. My father, he's like, you got to drink more water. Daddy acts like it's fucking torture. What is going on? The boomers refuse to drink water.

[Danny Hypert]

Well, I mean, if you go back in time, almost everything these people did was not healthy. And yet they're. They're like living to 80 years old. But Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald were talking about this on the Watch. They were like, there has been a newfound discovery of hydration and how important it is for kind of people in the millennial range. And down. He was like. They were like, we were just drinking soda and juice until we were like, 40, until somebody was like, hey, you should have, like, a lot of water every day. And they just had no idea they were drinking Tang when they were 15 every day.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, I remember Tang. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Booty Tang.

[Craig Korbeck]

No. Oh, Tang is just a drink. It's like a powder you put in the water.

[Danny Kelly]

A powder.

[Craig Korbeck]

Powder.

[Danny Kelly]

That's wild.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

It was like orange flavored or I have colored.

[Danny Hypert]

I've never had Tang.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I have one healthy habit, and one of them is I love water. And it's been fun to watch the world come to me. It's my only healthy habit. But, like, I. It's. Water is like the only known source of all life.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, man. Back in the day, important. Cigarette in a steak for dinner, Martini for lunch, Diet Coke. The rest of the day living.

[Craig Korbeck]

There is water in all that stuff. I feel like. So that. That's why there's still a lot.

[Danny Hypert]

I mean, hey, a beer is like 95 water.

[Danny Kelly]

That's true.

[Danny Hypert]

So what's really, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. What's fight that? Science. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

I feel like. I mean, even, like playing sports, they'd have just. I mean, once Gatorade became a thing, then you just drink Gatorade on the Same.

[Danny Kelly]

This is good. Water was 10 times better growing up.

[Craig Korbeck]

We had Capri Suns at halftime of soccer games.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, no one's giving us water growing up.

[Danny Kelly]

It's funny too, because I'm like, I'm watching Mad Men with Jack and I've never seen Mad Men. It's just a pleasure to watch it for the first time.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's so funny.

[Danny Hypert]

Are you doing it out of order like Sopranos or, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, No, I am.

[Craig Korbeck]

No, I just watching random episodes.

[Danny Hypert]

You saw that hidden.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, I guess. Just youtubed all the cool scenes. Then I'm starting from the beginning. I'll skip some if it looks boring. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

It must be tricky because in some episodes, Peggy's alive, and then in upper other episodes, episode, she's not.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's crazy. No, it's. It's weird.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, yeah, no, it's. It's really odd.

[Danny Hypert]

Wait, so what is your revelation?

[Danny Kelly]

Watching Mad Men, I think the just.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's their fault.

[Danny Kelly]

It's their fault.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's.

[Danny Kelly]

People were like, you should drink Kool Aid instead. And they're like.

[Craig Korbeck]

I was literally going to say this before you brought it up. I was thinking about that. It's Mad Men's fault. It's the Madison Avenue advertisers who were like, you know, smoke cigarettes because they taste good. It's like, you know, all that you get fed your whole life. It's like Coca Cola. So refreshing. Oh, my God.

[Danny Hypert]

I know. Well, it's. It's hard for who to blame. Is it the advertisers or is it the cigarette brands? I don't know.

[Craig Korbeck]

Or is it human nature?

[Danny Kelly]

That's true. Anyway, sorry. This episode is brought to you by Lucky Strike.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, they're toasted.

[Craig Korbeck]

Less tar, a little less cancer.

[Danny Hypert]

They still have tar.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

We just want to be clear. There is tar, but less.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Anyway. But yeah, you. Most of your funny stories of your parents not drinking water or just any thoughts on boomers and their. In their habit? The other revelation. Boomers don't eat vegetables. Boomers.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh, yeah.

[Craig Korbeck]

That's true. Michaels.

[Danny Kelly]

The other Mad Men thing, like watching Mad Men and you're like, okay, they didn't know how to like cook vegetables other than like boiling them. So then our parents generation just doesn't eat vegetables. And like our generation learned to cook on the Internet.

[Danny Hypert]

It was all like wartime canned vegetables.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like two steps above MREs, and they're just out here and we're like, you know, if you add Brussels sprouts a little balsamic on that. And my parents are like, you guys are like Michelin star chefs. It's unbelievable. The bar is so low to give the vegetables to boomers.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Danny Hypert]

I love a roasted vegetable. Vegetables can be so tasty.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you remember somebody emailed this in with the. The Mr. Green man, the vegetable mascot.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And was like, they used to give you, like, a little green doll. The. The big green man or whatever.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And they used to give you a doll if you bought 10 cans and someone went into their father's attic and they found 200 little dolls, which meant that they're. That her grandmother had fed her father, like, like, 2, 000 cans of the Mr. Green man broccoli or whatever. And they're like, I see why my dad doesn't eat vegetables.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah, man. We were eating, like, green bean casserole for Thanksgiving and canned peas, and that lasts forever.

[Craig Korbeck]

This was. You're coming up in the age of the cold war when that you can get nuked at any time. You need to, like, be able to survive on your canned food for the next two years during the nuclear winter.

[Danny Kelly]

The old cans look cooler, though, though, I gotta tell you, the bud lights.

[Craig Korbeck]

And the cores that, like, everything looked cooler back then. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Those cans. They gotta bring those cans back high.

[Craig Korbeck]

Fitz. You know what? You know what? The thing that stood out to me because I watched Mad Men late. Obviously not. It's not as late as you, but the why Obviously because I watch everything late.

[Danny Hypert]

Oh.

[Craig Korbeck]

I'm always, like, two years behind on.

[Danny Kelly]

You texted us that Barbie was good. Like, Barbie.

[Craig Korbeck]

Barbie was awesome. There was one scene where they. Where Draper and his family do, like, a little picnic on the side of the road. And then when they get up, they just shake their blanket. All the garbage just goes everywhere. They just leave it behind. I was, like, disgusted.

[Danny Kelly]

They just leave all the garbage shaking.

[Craig Korbeck]

The garbage in this field.

[Danny Kelly]

Didn't even look behind them.

[Craig Korbeck]

Christ. But I'm like, that's kind of how it was back then.

[Danny Hypert]

You know, who cares? You could die at any moment.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Korbeck]

There literally is no tomorrow.

[Danny Kelly]

Start a new life.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Don Draper. Actually, no, sorry. Screw you, Don Draper. This is your fault that my father doesn't drink water. Email. So ringer, fantasy football, gmail.com for more funny names. And baseball. Old timey baseball players. And also just other things boomers don't do or drinking water. All that. That stuff. Yeah. Thank you, Lord, lord.

[Craig Korbeck]

Thank you, RJD. 2.

[Danny Kelly]

Also, thank you to Cam and Carlos and Kai and everyone. Sorry, dk, I forgot.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, it's all good. Yeah. Thank you to them. This is the. The artist that does the Mad Men theme song, which is a theme song.

[Danny Kelly]

RD who?

[Craig Korbeck]

It's RJD2, aka Ramble, John Crone.

[Danny Kelly]

It is. It is a good theme song.

[Craig Korbeck]

It's like such an iconic intro.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

Him falling. Fantastic. They don't make theme songs like they used to. Most recent banger is Succession. That's a great one.

[Danny Kelly]

Successions is amazing.

[Danny Hypert]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude. Nicholas Patel, man. You know what was ahead of their time scrubs? The 15 second intro. It's like a really short intro.

[Danny Hypert]

Breaking Bad had a really short one.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah, Breaking Bad.

[Craig Korbeck]

Yeah. But they like alternate it. Sometimes they have like a long one, sometimes they have a short one.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, they have the little, like little chemical elements in people's names, which I loved.

[Danny Hypert]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Sopranos.

[Danny Hypert]

Banger.

[Craig Korbeck]

I was thinking about this one the other day. Remember the intro to Weeds? Little boxes.

[Danny Kelly]

Never watched Weeds.

[Danny Hypert]

Never watched Weeds.

[Craig Korbeck]

Oh, really?

[Danny Hypert]

No. Season one and especially season two of White Lotus ripped.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God. Well, the season three was a catastrophe.

[Danny Hypert]

Because that guy left the composer and Mike White apparently didn't get along the.

[Danny Kelly]

Whole thing, but well, they should have broke up. Mike White wanted to change it. I'm like, dude, season two of White Lotus, that song was. Was. Oh, cuz.

[Danny Hypert]

They basically took the season 11 and added a beat to it and they were playing that like in bars for a full year.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude.

[Danny Hypert]

Just like that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

I feel like I'm there.

[Danny Kelly]

Pretty good. Yeah.

[Danny Hypert]

You do the John Ham. Yeah, you're like.

[Danny Kelly]

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