Round 1 Reactions: Rams Reach for Ty Simpson?! Cardinals Fall in Love, Giants Steal Arvell Reese, Worst Picks, WR Rankings, and Punching Friends in the Taint

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show: 2026 NFL Draft – Round 1 Reactions

Episode Title:
Round 1 Reactions: Rams Reach for Ty Simpson?! Cardinals Fall in Love, Giants Steal Arvell Reese, Worst Picks, WR Rankings, and Punching Friends in the Taint
Date: April 24, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (DK), Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

In this highly anticipated episode, the trio dive into the wildest moments, best and worst picks, positional rankings and fantasy implications from the 2026 NFL Draft’s first round. Expect plenty of rapid banter, informed disagreement, draft nerd-depth, and even a detour into possibly the most painful fantasy football side-bet of all time.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Most Shocking Draft Moment: The Rams' Ty Simpson Pick

• [02:25 – 12:34]
  The show immediately zeroes in on the Los Angeles Rams taking QB Ty Simpson at #13. The kicker: Head coach Sean McVay’s post-draft presser strongly suggests he was not on board with the pick.

  • McVay visibly dismayed:
    “The smirks at the end of every answer – he’s just, he’s seething, it seems.” — DK [03:28]

  • GM Les Snead, not McVay, appears to have driven the pick, citing Simpson’s processing, Bama pedigree, and “response to adversity.”

  • Debate over taking a QB early as a ‘Super Bowl contender’:

    • “I think it makes more sense than people think.” — Heifetz
    • “Get the fuck out of here.” — Craig [04:38]
    • Craig likens it to the Warriors’ two-timeline experiment with young talent while trying to win now.

  • Profile Concerns:
    DK: “This is not a profile of a first-round quarterback. They’re wishcasting what he can be based on some traits.” [09:12]

    • Only 15 starts, some injury/size issues; comped (arguably generously) to Daniel Jones.
    • DK: “He has below-average traits and not very many starts. This is a very narrow path for success.”

  • Foundational issue:

    • “The entire premise of this pick making sense is I just assumed Sean McVay was down.” — Heifetz [07:18]
    • With McVay not on board, the whole ‘succession plan’ theory frays.

2. Arizona Cardinals’ Head-Scratching Move at #3

• [13:13 – 18:50]
  The Cards take RB Jeremiah Love 3rd overall—passing on top defensive prospects (notably Arvell Reese). Hosts rip the choice as a classic “owner wants the shiny toy” move, not a sound team-building pick.

  • “They’re just going to burn a year of Jeremiah Love while they wait for a quarterback.” — Craig [14:22]
  • The value mechanics of rookie contracts make top-3 running backs a poor use of resources: “You could walk into the supermarket, you’re like, you get one thing…” — Heifetz [16:18]
  • Team context:
    “The ownership is sneaky, tumultuous, on par with Cleveland and the Jets, and no one cares because it’s Arizona and nice weather.” — Heifetz [15:39]

3. The Giants Steal Arvell Reese

• [19:04 – 24:25]
  New York Giants nab edge/LB Arvell Reese, considered by all three the true blue-chip player in this draft.
  DK: “He has the highest upside of almost any player in the draft—maybe any player. He could be Micah Parsons-ish.” [24:02]

  • Reese’s rare traits, versatility, and relentless motor touted as possible franchise-defining
  • “He’s the queen of the chessboard.” — Heifetz on Reese’s hybrid skill set [21:02]
  • “This was the absolute steal of the draft.” — Heifetz
  • Debate whether Giants would have traded Dexter Lawrence had they but known Reese would drop

4. Other Major Value Picks

• Baltimore Ravens:
  Land OG Vega Ioane at #14—classic “Ravens let the draft come to them.”
  “They just sit there, no one’s thinking of them… good player lands in their lap.” — Craig [27:03]

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers:
  Reuben Bain falls to 15. “Maybe the most productive pass rusher in college football. All he does: pressure.” [29:30]

• Dallas Cowboys:
  Trade up for S Caleb Downs at #11.
  “Unbelievable. I think he’s maybe the best defender in college football for two years.” — Heifetz [31:14]

• Cleveland Browns:
  Textbook analytics-trade back, get both a franchise T (Spencer Fano) and a top WR (Casey Concepcion). “Very competent first round.” — Craig [36:03]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Rams’ lack of organizational alignment:
“If Sean McVay is not on board, there is no succession plan. The fact that you’d do this without McVay’s blessing—even if we’re reading too much into it—if he was jazzed, he wouldn’t look like that.”
— Danny Heifetz, [11:01]

On Cardinals’ owner-driven draft:
“Jay Gruden said we’d do months of research, then Dan Snyder would step off his yacht and make the pick. I think this is Michael Bidwill stepping in.”
— Heifetz, [14:32]

On Giants’ Arvell Reese selection:
“Ali Connolly… had Arvell Reese as the second-highest LB he’d graded behind Luke Kuechly.”
— Heifetz, [21:29]

On Lucas Oil’s infinite running back contracts:
“Cardinals’ rookie RB contract: 50 million—largest for a RB ever—50% higher than Saquon’s.”
— Craig, [17:09]

On the agony of losing a WR to a trade-up:
“Steelers were on the phone with Lemon, being like, ‘We’re going to take you at 21.’ Then the Eagles trade up, swoop in, and take Makai Lemon. I’m fine with it, but it did sting a little.”
— Craig, [52:32]

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Awards & Category Segments

Most Shocking/Controversial Picks

• Rams (Ty Simpson, 13th): Major on-air disbelief; excoriated for discord between GM and coach [02:48 – 12:34]
• Cardinals (Jeremiah Love, 3rd): Blamed on ownership, misses value, team direction questioned

Best Value/Impact Picks

• Giants (Reese) [19:04–24:25]
• Cowboys (Caleb Downs) [31:04–33:34]
• Ravens (Guard Vega Ioane) [27:12–29:18]
• Browns (Trading back for Fano & Concepcion) [35:41–36:42]
• Bucs (Reuben Bain) [29:33–30:59]

Worst Picks / “Bold Strategy, Cotton”

• Vikings: DT Caleb Banks at 18, described as “the riskiest pick in the first round...big guys with foot injuries, not a great history.” — DK [38:01–41:26]
• Jets: Passing on Arvell Reese for David Bailey (conservative, “higher floor, lesser player” pick), doubling up on pass-catching TEs [41:45–47:37]
• General confusion: Cardinals’ running back, Jets' WR/TE redundancy [43:25–45:55]

High-Upside/“Swing for the Fences” Picks

• Washington (Sonny Styles, LB) [59:39–60:25]
• Chiefs (Peter Woods, DT): “Coming into the season, some thought top-5 pick. Fascinating first round.” — DK [60:25–61:29]

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Fantasy Football Segment

[49:06–58:09]
Quick positional analysis and landing spot outlook for rookie WRs and TEs.

• Carnell Tate (Titans): “Probably the WR I’d take first in redraft. He’s what Cam Ward needs.” — DK [51:03]
• Jordan Tyson (Saints): “Pretty good landing spot; should get vol.” [51:16]
• Makai Lemon (Eagles): “Interesting group—he’s more over the middle, but unsure on fit/volume concerns.” [53:00+]
• Jets’ WR group: “Now quietly, kind of a lot going on there,” not confident on a clear fantasy option.
• Casey Concepcion (Browns): “Gone but not forgotten. I’ll see you in three years, buddy.” [58:34]

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Noteworthy/Lighthearted Side Segments

The Nuts Bet:

[87:52 – 96:48]
A listener writes in describing a bet: “If the Seahawks take a running back with their first pick, I both pay $200 and my friend gets to kick me in the nuts as hard as he wants.” The Seahawks take RB Jadarian Price at #32.

• The show erupts in anticipation of the video:
  “Ice up your balls. Ice up, son!” — DK [90:16]
• Extended riffing on bets, testicle injuries, a urology doctor's concerns, and the medical term for “taint” (perineum)
• “He said all of us call him Dead Ball to this day.” [93:27]

Draft Room Hijinks:

• Steelers get leap-frogged by the Eagles for Makai Lemon, while literally on the phone with Lemon.
• Humorous asides on Red Bull-fueled excitement, broken glasses at dinner, and… cows’ A2 milk proteins [77:40–78:57]

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Draft Philosophy & Team Trends

• Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles, Browns lauded for letting the draft “come to them” and nailing value.
• Jets, Cardinals, Vikings skewered for regime disunity or ignoring positional value.
• “Sometimes being ‘boring and responsible’ (drafting OL early) is exactly what you should do.” — Multiple points

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Notable Timestamps / Segments

| Segment | Summary | Timestamp | |---------|---------|----------| | Rams Ty Simpson Pick | Draft shock, McVay’s visible annoyance, organizational discord | 02:25 – 12:34 | | Cardinals/Jeremiah Love | Owner influence, RB value, team direction | 13:13 – 18:50 | | Giants/Arvell Reese | Steal of the draft, hybrid talent, Giants’ pass rush rebuilt | 19:04 – 24:25 | | Best Value Picks | Discussion of Ravens, Cowboys, Browns, Bucs | 27:03 – 36:42 | | Worst Risky Picks | Vikings, Jets puzzling strategy | 38:01 – 47:37 | | Fantasy Rookie WR/TE | Ranking and landing spot evaluation | 49:06 – 58:09 | | “Nuts Bet” Side Story | Listener side-bet with physical consequences, emails, anatomy | 87:52 – 96:48 |

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Tone, Language & Energy

• Unfiltered, witty, and irreverent, with running jokes (Red Bulls, taint/ball bets, “wife or daughter?”).
• Deep-dive draft nerdery balanced with pop culture riffs and gleeful skewering.
• Giddy, caffeinated enthusiasm, especially as the recording extends late into the night.

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Final Takeaways

• The 2026 first round delivered classic draft drama: spectacular values, egregious reaches, and organizational dysfunction on full display.
• The Giants are the panel consensus “winners” with Arvell Reese.
• Rams could spiral if the McVay/Snead dysfunction festers.
• The show closes with shoutouts to restaurant Budanoki, Renegade playing in Pittsburgh, massive draft crowd attendance, and a plea for listeners' travel tips ("How do you pee at the draft?").

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Memorable Quotes Recap:

• “If Sean McVay is not on board, then there is no succession plan.” — Heifetz [11:01]
• “The ownership is sneaky-tumultuous on par with Cleveland.” — Heifetz [15:39]
• “Queen of the chessboard.” — Heifetz on Reese [21:02]
• “I think this was the absolute steal of the draft.” — Heifetz
• “Ice up your balls. Ice up, son.” — DK [90:16]
• “All of us call him Dead Ball to this day.” [93:27]

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Stay tuned for more recaps throughout the weekend and summer, as The Ringer crew continues peeling back the layers on every selection and fantasy implication!

Transcript

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[Danny Heitz]

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[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, that's cool.

[Danny Heitz]

No, you don't understand.

[Dana Killings]

It went perfectly.

[Danny Heitz]

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[Dana Killings]

They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem.

[Danny Heitz]

Nothing in my life goes as smoothly.

[Dana Killings]

I'm waiting for the catch.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Maybe there's no catch.

[Dana Killings]

That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wow. You need to relax.

[Dana Killings]

I need to knock on wood. Do we have. What is this table wood?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think it's laminate.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, that's good.

[Danny Heitz]

That's close enough.

[Dana Killings]

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[Craig Horlbeck]

car today on Carvana. Pick up fees may apply Foreign.

[Danny Heitz]

Welcome to the Ringer NFL draft show. My name is Danny Heitz and I'm joined by Dana killing Craig Horlbeck and boys, round one is over. We did it. Well, we didn't do anything but we just watched it on tv. But I did some stuff. You did some stuff. He gets draft grades are atnfldraft.thecom if you want to see. He gave your team a shitty grade.

[Dana Killings]

I'm a glutton. Punishment. Let me know.

[Danny Heitz]

Comment on Instagram if you hate DK's draft grades.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No F's or D's though from right.

[Dana Killings]

It was not that crazy of a first round this year, I think and there was also just a lot of down the fairway picks I feel like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay, well.

[Dana Killings]

But otherwise. Well, we'll talk about a lot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There's a couple we're going to so

[Danny Heitz]

we're going to go through and again we're going to have more episodes Friday night, Sunday next week and then we're going to have episodes all summer. So if you've gotten this far Then stick with us for the entire summer. We're just going to go three on one. We have a bunch of awards we're going to give out. Starting with most shocking moment of the draft. Yep. I think we have to start with the Rams taking Ty Simpson at number 13 overall. And then after the draft, Sean McVeigh looked pretty pissed about it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Less need. And McVay did like a 10 minute presser after. And it really seems like McVay did not want Ty Simpson and like Les need did.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Here, dk, I don't. We're gonna play the clip of a reporter asking Sean McVeigh about this selection.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

DK has not seen this.

[Dana Killings]

I haven't really seen it yet. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Also you have to listen really carefully because you. The. The. The reporter's not miked.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, I did. I'll keep that between us. We'll see. He's going to compete with Stetson.

[Dana Killings]

The, the smirks at the end of every answer. He's just, he's seething, it seems.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes. And for those who couldn't hear, the question was, did you talk to Matt Stafford? He goes, yeah, I did. And they were like, what'd you say? He's like, I'll keep that between us. And they're like, so you. Do you expect Ty Simpson to be the backup quarterback? He's like, we'll see. He'll compete with Stetson Bennett.

[Dana Killings]

Stetson Bennett, who's 2013 overall pick, is going to compete with Stetson Bennett.

[Danny Heitz]

People might say we're reading too much into this. You can tell this happens all the time. Marvin Lewis was famous for this with the Bengals, where you could just tell if he wanted the pick or not by his face. And it's like, he can't.

[Dana Killings]

Like, he's not a very good actor. If that's. If that is genuine anger. He's not a very good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

McVeigh has never been somebody, in my opinion, who's been able to conceal his emotions.

[Danny Heitz]

No.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You can always kind of see what's feeling.

[Danny Heitz]

I think that there was. This was a very controversial pick. In one of the biggest stories of the draft, the Rams taking Ty Simpson before we found out the McVeigh thing. And I think there was a whole conversation we were probably going to have about. I think it's two different questions. Does it make sense to take a quarterback in the first round when you're a Super bowl team?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No,

[Danny Heitz]

I think it makes more sense than people think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Danny Heitz]

But then there's a separate question of Whether Ty Simpson's the guy plowed through it. Okay, well, I'm just saying, like, it's not. Look, the.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It is so rare that you are a team as good as the Rams, who almost made the super bowl and arguably were the best team in the NFL last year. All right, I'm just saying. I said arguably. And you have the 13th pick in the draft and you can get somebody who could immediately step in and contribute and help you get over the hump. And you do the. And also, it's not like Ty Simpson is some generational prospect that you kind of jumped up to get because you thought it was a steal. This is a guy who, like most people thought could have been a second rounder. Would you have been a problem with using the second rounder? To me, you know what this reminded me of a little bit was the two timeline. Warriors with Joe lacob and how the warriors refused to trade Jonathan Kaminga and Moody because they wanted to win in the future because Jordan Poole was playing well. And they're like, actually, we can do both at the same time. We want a title, but we don't want to double down on Steph. We're not doubling down on Stafford, I guess is the loose comparison I'm making. And Les Snead was like, well, Stafford's 38. Why don't we get a guy who we think can work in the system? Which is what Les said in the presser. He said he's. We picked him because of his processing ability playing football, his ability to execute a passing offense, and his mobility. And then he talked about how Sneed grew up in Alabama, and he loved that Bama lost that first game to Florida State. And he was like, I love how Ty Simpson responded. They went on to win like eight or nine games in a row. And like Bama football. You know, Bama in football. And like the way Ty Simpson respond. And I'm just like, what do we. And McVeigh is sitting there just like fucking not blinking.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm like, you could have.

[Dana Killings]

Can see the vein in his forehead.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They could have taken Mai, Lemon, Vega, Yani, Ruben, Bane, Monroe, Freeling, all those guys on the board.

[Dana Killings]

It just feels very. It. It feels very out of character for what the Rams have done lately, too, where they, you know, the F them picks thing, where they're taking guys that can contribute right away, putting. It felt like they were always putting their chips in a lot for each season and then we'll figure it out down the line.

[Craig Horlbeck]

To your point, I thought when they made the pick that everybody in the Rams was on the same page.

[Danny Heitz]

That's a normal thing. You think? The fact that Sean McVay seems to not be happy about this is crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And my first thought. My first thought was, like, oh, interesting. Maybe Stafford told them, I'm doing one more year and that's it. And they were like, okay, let's get ahead of it. We have a rare opportunity to, like, guarantee the quarterback of the. Of the next generation after Stafford, and we know we can get him at 13. And this was a free pick that we got from Atlanta, so, like, fuck it, we already used our real pick to get Trent McDuffie. Let's just, like, use this free pick. Stafford's going to be gone in a year. He told us, let's do that. But that doesn't sound like that was the case.

[Danny Heitz]

The entire premise of this pick making sense to me is I just assumed Sean McVay was down.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Of course.

[Danny Heitz]

Like, why wouldn't I? This is why. This is also, by the way, why the draft's fucking impossible to figure out is if I had told you before the Rams are going to take ty Simpson, but McVeigh is going to be pissed, you'd be like, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like, how am I supposed to know who a team is going to take if the head coach and the GM don't even know who they're going to take?

[Danny Heitz]

Exactly. Which happens a lot more than you think. I think to my. Like, to what I was saying earlier, I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good idea. What I'm saying is the packers took Jordan Love, and that was widely panned because they had Rogers. And on one hand, you'd be like, well, thank God they did, because Rogers, like, was only there for so much longer, and then the packers have Jordan Love now. However, you also could be like, well, if the packers are taking a cornerback there, maybe they would have made the Super Bowl. But I think the interesting difference to me, I just basically, I think taking a quarterback when you don't need one is a good idea and investing the position smart. If Stafford gets hurt this season, which he had a back injury last year, he didn't get hurt. But even Stafford was like, I'm shocked. I feel good late in the season if maybe Ty Simpson can help them. I think. And I'm curious what you think, dk. I think what's interesting is Ty Simpson is nothing like Jordan Love, who is a really toolsy, crazy Arm. Crazy talented player. That was like raw. Ty Simpson is raw, but not as toolsy. Like, he's fast, but he's almost like a less talented Daniel Jones. Like he did. Like his arm is good. Ty Simpson's arm is good. He's not as good as like a Sam Darnold or something. He's fast, but he's not as fast as Daniel Jones pre Achilles. And I'm curious,

[Craig Horlbeck]

why did you pick Daniel Jones?

[Danny Heitz]

Because I think Ty Simpson's a lot like Daniel Jones, honestly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, really?

[Danny Heitz]

I think he's. I think he's like kind of like a slower Daniel Jones.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Interesting. Do you see that?

[Dana Killings]

I'm not really sure the comp. Yeah, I don't know. Not really.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I thought you just picked him because he's white.

[Danny Heitz]

No, I actually had that written in my notes and then Dane Brugler had it too and I was like, okay, good.

[Dana Killings]

So, yeah, I don't know.

[Danny Heitz]

I guess my question for you is. Well, I guess what did you think of this before you thought Sean McVeigh liked him and then after you found out?

[Dana Killings]

Well, my first, my first reaction, and I've been very clear about this from the beginning, is just like, this is not a profile of a first round quarterback. They're wish casting what he can be based on some traits.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And how many games did he start?

[Dana Killings]

14, 15 games in his career.

[Danny Heitz]

And the first rounders this century you've done that are.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's Anthony Richardson, Mitch Trub, and even

[Dana Killings]

if you expand it to like 25 games, the list is pretty.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The only one who really pops is basically Josh Allen.

[Dana Killings]

Right. And like Sam Darnold who is now on his fifth team.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Sure.

[Dana Killings]

So yeah, I mean, to me, just the profile of a guy who's a. You know, it took him four years or five years to get to actually become the starter on his team. He only has one year of starting experience. He was hurt for half of that year. Which by the way is possibly related to the fact that he's undersized. I think he's a quarterback who has under. He has below average traits and, and not very many starts. And so this is just to me a very narrow path in which he could be successful in the NFL.

[Craig Horlbeck]

However, it sounds like they like his brain more than.

[Dana Killings]

Well, yeah, and that's. And that's fair. But to me that's like. I mean, he's like a coach's son. He went to Bama.

[Danny Heitz]

I'm from Alabama and all my like families from Alabama and like subconscious everything

[Dana Killings]

I just said Though, like you mentioned

[Craig Horlbeck]

the Florida State thing twice in the 10 minute presser, how they lost the Florida State.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, they love that stuff.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's getting cute.

[Danny Heitz]

It's getting.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's getting extremely cute.

[Dana Killings]

But I want to say, I want to be clear because I said, and I said this before the draft. I said it was before he was picked by the Rams. I said, if he gets picked by the Rams, then all bets are off because of that offensive system. Because McVay is the quarterback whisperer because of so much success they've had in an offense. Now I'm like, he could be successful. He could be an outlier because he's on the Rams now.

[Danny Heitz]

He's just made McVeigh a whisperer because he's like, yeah, I like to pick.

[Dana Killings]

I still think this is a dumb pick. I think they could have gotten him quite a bit later.

[Danny Heitz]

First of all, look, I could sit here and make the case for. Against Ty Simpson because again, he got hurt halfway through the senior, his only year of playing, which you could say, well, he got hurt because he's small. He's not the experience. He's half a good season. You also could be like, well, he had this back injury against South Carolina halfway through the season. Before the Injury, he had 20 touchdowns and one pick. Afterward, he had eight touchdowns and four picks. His completion percentage went from 70 to 60. But overall, I think he had the lowest interception rate in the history of Alabama football. He threw less than an interception per 100 times. Like, he'd go through all that and be like, oh, well, maybe he was good. The point to me, though, is the entire premise of taking a quarterback to when you are a super. When you are a Super bowl team. And in the Rams mind, they were better than theahs last year and they should have won. And Zach Sharp and I picked up the football and randomly and they should have won. The entire point, though, of a quarterback succession plan is organizational alignment and the whole thing that Sean McVay the quarterback whisperer. If Sean McVay is not on board, then there is no succession plan. Like the fact that he did like the idea that you would do this without McVeigh's blessing. Never mind it actually being. And maybe we're reading too much into it. I don't think we are because he was excited and jazzed about it. He wouldn't look like that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, he was pissed.

[Danny Heitz]

He's pretty, like, clear and dude, he's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He was pissed. Like, if you.

[Danny Heitz]

And if anyone here thinks we're reading too much into this, go up and pull up a video of like, Sean McVeigh talking about someone they're excited about. Like, go up when he got Devonte Adams. Yeah, yeah. And so we can move on to another pick. But I just think that is my lasting impression of this. The idea that you're going to have McVay invest time in a court, like you need McVay to care, like you need him to want Ty Simpson to be the guy. And if he doesn't, like, it's not going to work.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's just kind of weird. Stafford's 38 years old because the Super bowl is in LA this year. They were extremely close to winning a Super bowl last year and they did not select a player who will contribute to the team in at the 13th overall break.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay, we can go. So that's the most shocking moment. I actually think the most shocking moment of the draft was after the draft, McVeigh saying, looking pissed.

[Craig Horlbeck]

McVeigh closed the, the, the presser by saying they asked about, like, you know, Ty Simpson learning behind under Matt Stafford and he was like, yeah, no, I mean, it'll certainly be beneficial for Simpson. He'll be learning behind the. Learning behind the reigning MVP and a first ballot hall of Famer. I was like, hey, that's.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, that's. That is. Anyway, the next most shocking moment of the draft. Dk, which of the Notre Dame running backs that went in the first round was the most shocking moment?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would say we have Jeremiah Love at 3 to the Cardinals and Jadarian Price at 32.

[Dana Killings]

I would say to the Seahawks, Jeremiah Love to the Cardinals with Arvel Reese on the board. So there was, there was a number of. Yeah, the first round kind of went crazy, the way that everything kind of came off the board. Arvl Reese fell. He didn't fall that far, but he fell based on where everyone kind of

[Danny Heitz]

experienced just to the right spot.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. And. But to me, the, the, the Cardinals picking Love with Reese on the board is like unforgivable. It. It's just. Again, I know not to belabor what we've said basically this whole time, but this is not a team that's in the position to add a running back and it's going to make a significant difference towards their wins. They don't even have a quarterback.

[Danny Heitz]

They signed Tyler.

[Dana Killings]

What are we doing?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I have less of a problem with it being third in. Like, you can't take a running back third. To me, it's like I, I thought if the Titans took a running back fourth or the commanders took a running back seven. I would have been fine with that. Because you ostensibly have your quarterback, right? Like the Cardinals need fucking everything and they. Especially a quarterback. And you're taking Jeremiah Love, you're just going to burn a year of Jeremiah

[Danny Heitz]

Love when At least a year, at

[Craig Horlbeck]

least the year of Jeremiah Love. And then. And then cross your fingers that you find a quarterback next year. I mean, Jeremiah Loves. Fucking rookie contract might be done before they find their quarterback in Arizona.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

When Jay Gruden was the head coach of Washington, he said that we would do four months of research and then Dan Snyder would come in, get off his yacht, make the pick. I think the Cardinals, I'm willing to say this is Michael Bidwell, the owner of the Cardinals, coming in and being like, I want Jeremiah Love. Because Arvo Reese fundamentally is. Tweeners may be the wrong word, but it's like, oh, well, he can play two positions.

[Dana Killings]

He's too close to Isaiah Simmons.

[Danny Heitz]

And the Cardinals have drafted the amount of guys who were like, oh, he's like a linebacker, defensive and hybrid. Or he's like a linebacker, safety, hybrid. It's like Xavin Collins was like that. As you know, linebacker, defensive. Isaiah Simmons was a safety, linebacker, hybrid. Dion Buchanan, Hassan redick, they've had five first or four first round picks in the last like 15 years that were that. None of them worked really. And I think Michael Bidwill is basically like, I've heard this same pitch from three or four different coaching staffs. And Michael Bid was like, fuck that. I want the cool running back. And relatedly, I want to point out the Arizona Cardinals have never had a head coach longer than six years. The Arizona Cardinals, believe it or not, are the oldest team in the NFL.

[Dana Killings]

Is that right?

[Danny Heitz]

Because they used to be in Chicago.

[Dana Killings]

The Cardinals are over 100 franchise. Yeah, sorry, I thought you meant the roster.

[Danny Heitz]

No, not the roster. The Cardinals are the oldest franchise in the entire league and they've never had a coach older than six years. And Michael Bildwell or his family has owned it like almost the entire time. And I just think these things are all related. Like, the ownership is sneaky, tumultuous, on par with Cleveland and the jets, and no one cares because people don't care about Arizona. And it's nice weather, no one's feel bad for them. But like, this is one of the worst ownership situations in the league. And I think it's that simple. As he wanted a cool running back,

[Craig Horlbeck]

you need a tackle. You don't have a quarterback, you Need a lot of help on defense. And now this is a team with Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison Jr. And Trey

[Dana Killings]

McBride and they signed Tyler Algier in the off season.

[Danny Heitz]

And it's worth remembering too what we were talking about last week with the draft, where the way it works is whoever the Cardinals take with the third pick because the slot is pre negotiated as part of the collective bargaining agreement, the third pick in the draft is whoever the Cardinals took was going to get 52 and a half million dollars over four years. It doesn't matter if they took a quarterback or a running back. So when people talk about the value of a running back, it's, well, a running back, top five salaries like $14 million and a quarterback's top five salaries, almost $50 million. And so if you take a different position, you're getting a deal because it's like you could walk into the supermarket, you're like, you get one thing. Do you want a Hershey's bar? Do you want like a porterhouse steak? It's like the value. So like the running back comes in and like Jeremiah Love has the largest guarantee in the NFL almost.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, 50 million in guaranteed salary, which is by far the most ever. No running back in NFL history has guaranteed that much money.

[Danny Heitz]

It's 50% higher than Saquon's guaranteed deal.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Saquon was 36 and Jeremiah Love is 50.

[Danny Heitz]

And yeah, so I look back, I

[Dana Killings]

went back and looked at the. Sorry, I have the Giants records during Saquon's first four seasons. It was like four wins, four wins. He missed almost the entire season, then four wins.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, this is, this is the thing with the running backs. We've. It's like the cherry on the bottom of the Sunday or the top. And it's like the first. The really high drafted running backs worked when it was. You go to the best offensive line in the NFL. So it's Zeke Elliott to the Cowboys, it's Jameer Gibbs to the Lions, it's Saquon going in free agency, the Eagles. Or it's a running back going to the best offensive coach in the NFL. It's McCaffrey to Shanahan, it's Gurley to McVeigh. The ones that don't work are McCafferty, the Panthers or sake one of the Giants or Gen 2, the Raiders. It's like, it's like, yeah, four nets. Well, that even then I think, I mean that was a bad pick. Like that kind of worked. But he was disappointing. Like for the most part. If you're A bad team, like you shouldn't have a running back this high and the Cardinal. Yeah. So if, you know, Chiefs, maybe.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. Anyway, just, just a. To me it's just a gross misallocation of resources. You only have so many edges that you can find in the NFL. One of them is finding an elite player at a position where you're saving a whole lot of money. So like if they had taken Arvell Reese there and he becomes a top tier pass rusher, you're saving insane amount of money which you can then put into other positions like say a running back and whatever. And. But like so that. So they're using a high end draft piece of draft capital number three overall pick, plus paying him at the end the top of the market. And also just the entire history that we have of like running backs not really making that big of a difference. If you're a bad team, it's also

[Craig Horlbeck]

just like a lame spot for him to land. Like as a fan of football and I get fantasy football, you're like, now what do I do?

[Dana Killings]

Well, and what are they going to do at quarterback, by the way?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, it'll be a very interesting fantasy season for the Cardinals because it's like whoever's throwing the ball, like they need to just throw it 50 times a game. And you can probably rack up a lot of fantasy stats even though they're going to win two or three games.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, you know what was sick though was the Cardinals didn't take Arvl Reese. You know what? The Titans didn't take Arvl Reese. You know what? The Giants got Arvl Reese. And that was honestly the best moment of how with the Giants.

[Dana Killings]

If it's just had a shitty grin on his face for the last like two hours.

[Danny Heitz]

I just. Argill. Recent Red Bull just coursing through my.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. How many Red Bulls has had three Red Bulls in the last like hour and a half? And it's crazy. 10pm right now. He is wired.

[Dana Killings]

He's double fisting Red Bulls.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He literally. I don't even know how that made sense, but he finished two Red Bulls at the same time. I don't know why he wasn't going one at a time.

[Dana Killings]

He's like, which one do I do do that again? No, no, I was doing like the Farva like, oh, yeah, wait, one more time. No, that, that would be like more like up here.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay, wait, what would that be like?

[Dana Killings]

It'd be like up here we're talking. Yeah, if that's what you're looking for.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What if the Red Bull can was really big and you needed two hands to drink it?

[Danny Heitz]

That's it.

[Dana Killings]

It'd be like this.

[Danny Heitz]

Craig, Matt Khalil,

[Dana Killings]

I know what you're doing, and I actually think it's funny.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know what you're doing, and I don't like it. Hi, Vince.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, you were.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I haven't seen you that happy since.

[Dana Killings]

He was jumping for joy. You were like genuine jumping for joy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Danced around the office.

[Danny Heitz]

I can't believe. I mean, the jets didn't take Arville Reese, which I think is hilarious. And then the jets get David Bailey and then the Giants get Arvo Reese. I think they'll be compared for, I mean, the next five years, basically.

[Dana Killings]

Can we talk about the Giants defensive line? Just name the people on your offense.

[Danny Heitz]

I mean, they got rid of Dex Lawrence, but now, I mean, the Giants have Brian Burns, who sneakily had like 16 sacks last year. And then they have Abdul Carter, who is considered like a Micah Parsons clone that they took last year. And now you, I mean, cave on Thibodeau. I kind of think is going to get traded tomorrow. But then you. Now you have Arvo Reese, who, whether he's edge rusher, inside linebacker Tremayne Burns, he's like this. He's the queen of the chess.

[Dana Killings]

Burns, Reese and Abdul Carter is freaking sick.

[Danny Heitz]

I think Arvo Reese, some Giants fans are upset about this. This blows him a bit. I think Arvo Reese is easily the best player in the draft, or at least Jeremiah Love. Running back Arvo Reese should be the number one player on every team's board other than Fernando Mendoza. I'm going to just steal like some. This is. Ali Connolly had this at his substack read optional. But Ali Connolly was trained as a linebackers scout and he had Arville Reese as the second highest linebacker he had ever graded behind Luke Keakley.

[Dana Killings]

Oh. Which he's pretty good. Oh.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, dear.

[Dana Killings]

Keechlee was insane.

[Danny Heitz]

Reese. And for all that, Reece has been kind of graded as an edge rusher. I've always kind of played linebacker at Ohio State. He kind of played both and he moved all over. He did some edge rusher stuff, but he's really playing linebacker. And I mean, Reese's elite athleticism, he has elite technique. He see. I think he actually sees the game at an elite level. I think Olly Connolly made a great point that he gets stuck. He doesn't get stuck in the mud. Like, I almost think if it's like 1917, you. The movie like runs across the trenches. Like you have to be able to run through all this traffic.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, you have to sift through the trash, is the term that people use. And it's like, you have to move laterally while keeping your eye in the backfield and then still staying clean and not getting blocked to arrive at the ball carrier. He's really. He's really sneaky at getting through the line, too. Like, he's big and powerful, and he can overwhelm guys at the point of attack, but he's also really just slick at avoiding contact and getting into the backfield.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, I, I. Reese is the kind of guy that can go around a left tackle, but he also can probably cover for one play. Like, the best receiver on a team, maybe. I know that's kind of an insane thing to say, but, like, he's ceiling his defensive player of the year, I think. I think he's an incredible player. He's able to do everything. Like, he can line up a lot. Like, I don't want him to be trained as just a regular edge rusher. I think that Abdul Carter and Arvo Reese. The upside is, well, Carter was a

[Dana Killings]

linebacker, too, before he trans, before he switched over to linebacker. There's so much versatility with those playmakers.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, I. I think that. Dude, I, I am over the moon. But also, the other things about Arville Reese is. I mean, Solak talked to him at ESPN on. I don't know what ESPN does now, but it was TikTok clone that they have Solak doing that. I don't know what it's called, but. But so, like, was described. Solak was like, describing this, those young people videos. Well, it wasn't on TikTok. ESPN built a clone in the ESPN app. And I'm like, oh, so like Dr. Arvo Reese. And he's like, short explaining to Arvo Reese all these moves he does. And he was like, arvo Reese is like, oh, is that what you call it? I don't know. I was kind of just vibing out there. I don't really know. And so, like, you never practiced this? He's like, no, I don't know. I've been playing defensive end, like, one year, and it's never.

[Dana Killings]

It's my first time, literally.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like, abigail, how often do you play?

[Danny Heitz]

Never have. But it is kind of like that. But the little things with Arvl Reese, and I think the difference between him and other players is and dk. I mean, you know this better than me, but he doesn't take any plays off. Like, the motor and everything. Like. Like, even Sonny Styles, who. Some people were kind of like, oh, Sonny Styles didn't miss any tackles. And I was like, well, sometimes he wasn't close enough to there because he was kind of like getting a little bored. Arvo Reese is kind of doing all the little things. Well, the technique, the fundamentals, combined with the crazy athleticism and everything. I don't know. I think the sky's the limit. I think this. I'm biased, but I think this was the absolute steal of the draft.

[Dana Killings]

He has one. He has the highest upside of almost any player in the draft, maybe any player in the draft. He could be, you know, Michael Parsons esque caliber player.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Now we have.

[Danny Heitz]

Now we have two Micah Parsons because Abdul Carter was Michael Parsons. Reese is Michael Parsons. The packers only had one Micah Parsons, and he tore his acl. So we kind of have, like, we kind of cornered the market on Michael

[Craig Horlbeck]

Parsons, and we've learned that doubling down on what you're already good at is a good thing.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, I wonder. I don't know if this would have made any difference whatsoever, but I wonder if the Giants had known that they were going to get Reese, if they still would be so excited to trade Dexter Lawrence.

[Danny Heitz]

I kind of wish we'd kept him.

[Dana Killings]

You know what I mean? Because I mean that it doesn't make a huge difference.

[Danny Heitz]

But, dude, if we had Lawrence, the

[Craig Horlbeck]

greatest defensive line of all time, I

[Danny Heitz]

kind of wish you'd kept him and just we had a recent.

[Dana Killings]

See how that goes.

[Danny Heitz]

I wish we did it on the clock, man. They would have just been like, you know what? We're good.

[Dana Killings]

Because I don't think there's any. I mean, very few permutations that I saw in mock drafts that Reese was falling much. I mean, I guess there was a few people that suggested it could happen, but.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, it's funny because it really was like, the perfect scenario for the Giants because I. I bet you teams like Arizona and Tennessee had Reese graded very highly. But because we talked about earlier with Arizona being like, look, we don't want a tweener. We've failed at that. So we're going to go a different direction. And then when it comes to Tennessee at 4, we were talking about, how does. Is Tennessee going to get somebody for Cam Ward? And Jeremiah Love was already gone. And I wonder if Jeremiah Love was there at 4, if Tennessee would have taken him. And. But they instead had to just go with, like, all right, I guess we're going to take Carnell Tate because Jeremiah Love is gone. We need to get Cam Ward, somebody, and then just Arville Reese happened to just be sitting there at 5 because of that dude.

[Danny Heitz]

I, I, I like myself. I couldn't believe it. I was, I was the best. Yeah. Whose draft should be every day?

[Dana Killings]

The draft is crazy fun.

[Danny Heitz]

It's great. Other than Arville Reese, what do you think was the best pick of the round? DK first round.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, let's do that. Best.

[Dana Killings]

The best overall pick, other than our

[Danny Heitz]

goal, is obviously the best pick. Well, Ty Simpson. Can you believe Sean Mc. I kind of can't get over Sean McVay. Didn't want a quarterback in the first round. As if he isn't like a Super bowl winning guru. Could do whatever the fuck he wants. I just can't believe it.

[Dana Killings]

So this, I feel like this could

[Craig Horlbeck]

have been on the Rams.

[Danny Heitz]

I just, I can't get, like, when Devon.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Devonte Adams has hamstring issues and who the hell knows what's going on with Puka? Like, it'd be nice to have Makai

[Dana Killings]

Lemon, who's their wide receiver three right now?

[Danny Heitz]

Jordan Whittington.

[Dana Killings]

Whittington.

[Danny Heitz]

Isn't it instructive, though, about life that even Sean McVay doesn't really get to pick the first. Like, Sean McVeigh can just be like, I don't want a quarterback in the round.

[Craig Horlbeck]

One's home tonight. She's like, how was work? He's like, fucking. My boss is an asshole quarterback.

[Danny Heitz]

One MVP is like, we had to get another one. It's. There's a lesson in there somewhere anyway.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. So to me, to answer the question of who the best pick was, I don't think. I don't know if there was one. Clear cut, huge. This was the best pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

But it seems to happen every year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Outside.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

All right, calm down.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's the Red Bull talking.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. This seems to happen every year. The Ravens kind of just sit there. No one's thinking about them.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There's a couple teams that always just

[Dana Killings]

seems overthink everything, and then some really good player lands in the Ravens lap. It just seems to happen every year.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I feel like it's Philly, it's Baltimore, Dallas. Dallas always drafts really well. There's always a few teams.

[Danny Heitz]

Dallas getting Caleb Downs. Oh, my God.

[Dana Killings]

Great pick.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

I mean, that's perfect for them.

[Danny Heitz]

But the Ravens.

[Dana Killings]

The Ravens taking Vega. Ione Ioane, I should say, just perfect. I think for a lot of reasons. Number one, he just feels like a Ravens type player. Super reliable, super tough, physical. Gonna kick you. Like, he's a guard. He's a guard. Offensive guard. Which by the way, because the Bengals, this division rival, probably the greatest threat to the Ravens in. In the division. Sorry, not the Steelers, although maybe we'll see. But anyway, the Bengals obviously went and traded for decades.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Won the division last year. Is not the biggest threat. Yeah. That beat them to. To win.

[Danny Heitz]

Does anyone have more forgettable division titles than the Steelers?

[Dana Killings]

Yes, that's correct. Anyway, you know, they went and traded for an elite defensive tackle and losing after losing Tyler Linderbaum, you know, that's a huge question mark. The interior defensive line, our offensive line for the Ravens. And so I just thought just rock solid sort of. Yeah. Storm of like we're just going to sit here and let a really good player fall to us. I think obviously he's a guard, so that's not as elite of a position in terms of value. But for what they want to do, it makes a lot of sense. Plus, you know, you can open up run lanes for Derrick Henry. Going to give Lamar Jackson a little bit cleaner pocket. That was a huge issue for him last year. Took way more sacks than he normally takes. So to me, that was a great one. And then right after that.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, just on the Ravens thing, it's worth noting, guard was the downfall of the Ravens last year. The Ravens went in with this experimental attempt at guard where they had the biggest guard that's ever been a guard is in Daniel Fille at left guard.

[Dana Killings]

Six, eight.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, he's like six foot eight and he's on the Giants now as a backup guard. But like, and then Andrew Voorhees was their. The left guard and then he, he had like a bunch of knee injuries or leg injuries early in his career. And they tried to like just take him and see if he could be an experiment. And just. It was like a total experiment for a team that should win a Super bowl. And they paid the price because Lamar got hurt and everything was horrible. But then, I mean, you want a Hughes second team all American, but no sacks allowed, no holding flags the past two years. And that's from danger.

[Dana Killings]

As reliable as you get.

[Danny Heitz]

And he can play in any plug and play immediately. And they signed John Simpson. So you have Derek Henry running behind the guard. But yeah, the fact that the Ravens also got to pick between Yoane and then Reuben Bain and then they picked one and then the buccaneers give Ruben Bane at 15 was also pretty crazy,

[Dana Killings]

I think on the, on the broadcast. I don't remember who, who said it, but it was like they're in no world did they think that Reuben Bain was going to be there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, a month ago, Ruby Bane was like the fourth pick in the five pick.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, yeah. And obviously, look, there is the issue that he has with, with the shorter arms. There is the recent report that he was involved in that car accident when a person was killed. But you know, I don't think anyone really thought he would fall this far in the draft. 15th overall pick. I mean, this is a guy who is one of the most, if not the most productive pass rusher in college football. He brings positional versatility. I think he could line up in sub packages on the inside and just absolutely wreck shop against guards. He's powerful, tough, physical, explosive, really strong, good against the run. He can play every down.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. So bait, shorter, good player.

[Dana Killings]

Just. This is another type of thing that bucks tend to have happen to them. I feel like they just pick like good trench players.

[Danny Heitz]

So he, Reuben Bain was the, he was named the top defensive end in college football last year. He led the entire college football and quarterback pressures. It's the most a guy's had in college football like almost 10 years. Which, the more college football playoff games they had.

[Dana Killings]

He played more games, right? Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

He also played more snaps than anyone college football. So it's weird because he led in all pressures but was like 40th in pressure rate. But regardless, but he's playing. You watch college football. He was the best.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Defensive, like defensive lineman and. Yeah. Shortest arms for an edge rusher in round one since in at least all of those.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Those criticisms start to fade away when you're at the 15th pick.

[Dana Killings]

Right?

[Danny Heitz]

Yes.

[Dana Killings]

In a draft like this especially, I mean he was, I think the, the biggest blue chip player left on the board there.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. And the, the other, the other one that I just think was like the best pick was the Cowboys. Trading the Cowboys getting Caleb downs with the 11th pick is unbelievable.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, they swap picks with Miami basically to move up.

[Danny Heitz]

Gave two fifth round picks to move from 12 to 11 and then got Caleb Downs. I, I just still think Caleb Downs is maybe the best defender in college football for two years in a row. I mean, he was a freshman. He was the first freshman to ever lead Alabama in tackles. I think he led Alabama in tackles by like 40 tackles.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We were sitting there watching. The giants had the 10th pick and if they had selected Caleb Downs, I think Heifetz would have sprouted red bull wings and flown off into the heavens.

[Dana Killings]

He wouldn't be here right now.

[Danny Heitz]

I was, dude, I, I was. Yeah, I was about to spin off this plan.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I want. I thought it was gonna be awesome. Reese and Downs, the Giants would have been really cool.

[Danny Heitz]

I would have, I would have. I really would have.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And they took Maui Noah, which is fine, but it was just like vegetables.

[Dana Killings]

I wanted more ice cream. That's a good pick.

[Danny Heitz]

I wanted a third Red Bull, but I mean. So Caleb Downs. So he's Josh Downs's younger brother, the receiver from the Colts. His uncle's Dre Bly, who was always a great trade target in Madden.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Great name.

[Danny Heitz]

All time.

[Dana Killings]

All time name.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So good.

[Danny Heitz]

So Caleb down transferred to Ohio State when Saban retired and he just immediately won a national championship and I would argue maybe the best player on that national championship team, which between last year's draft and this year's draft, what, like over 20 guys are getting the most

[Craig Horlbeck]

competent college football player last year.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. And I just.

[Dana Killings]

He's the definition of a football player, you know what I mean? Because he, he's not the biggest guy, he's not the fastest guy or explosive guy or whatever. And those are the types of players that typically would go a little bit higher, but just instinctive, knows where to go, knows where the ball is going, can read the defense, can read the quarterback's eyes, recognize his route concepts, anticipates where he needs to be, undercuts routes, gets, gets the football. He can play the run, can play the pass. He can line up everywhere on the, on the field. He's going to start out. I think I heard he was going to start out at nickel.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Down.

[Dana Killings]

Just like it's his versatility and just pro maturity I think is what really stands out.

[Danny Heitz]

Mina Kime's compared him to like Brian Branch and I do think he's. Caleb Downs is like a better Brian Branch. I would also say Caleb Downs reminds me of JSN in that Jackson, Smith and jig. But when you watch college football when he was healthy, you're like, oh well, he's one of the better players I've ever seen. And then you go through the draft brain and you're like, he's not that fast. And it's like. Was like, how's he at football? Oh my God, he's incredible.

[Dana Killings]

Catches everything.

[Danny Heitz]

He's, you know what I mean? And then somehow Jason goes 20th and Downs going 11th reminds me of that in a bad draft that 10 guys

[Craig Horlbeck]

go ahead of him and of course it go Dallas, man, Dallas. They're good at drafting. Anybody can be good at drafting. It is funny.

[Dana Killings]

Your players is the hard part.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It Is funny for how much and how much everybody makes fun of Dallas and they are, like, quietly awesome at drafting.

[Danny Heitz]

Do you think Bill Clinton helped Jerry Jones make the pick?

[Dana Killings]

What is this? What world are we living in?

[Danny Heitz]

We didn't talk enough that Jerry Jones saw Bill Clinton at. I thought this was AI when I first saw it. Like, Bill Clinton, he was doing a pre draft. Pre draft press conference. Bill Clinton just walks in and then Jerry gets up and actually falls. And then his. No, he stumbles. He stumbles, but he was going to fall and they caught him.

[Dana Killings]

I did not see that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He kind of caught himself in a somewhat agile way. His, like, leg kind of like he was caught. Oh, it didn't look like it to me.

[Dana Killings]

Do we need to argue whether he fell?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Should we zipruder film this?

[Danny Heitz]

He almost fell into Bill Clinton and did a two for one. Like, he almost traded that. Like him and Bill Clinton almost just broke both their hips the day before the draft.

[Dana Killings]

Is Bill Clinton doing there?

[Craig Horlbeck]

He. He.

[Danny Heitz]

I think Arkansas. Old Arkansas money.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That. What? He just. He was there.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, I don't know. I was there, but I'm saying I think they go back like, 40 years.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But he's asking, like, why was he there? That at that moment. I don't know. I've been wa.

[Danny Heitz]

Someone to tell me this. I have no idea.

[Dana Killings]

Why is he at the Cowboy?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Maybe he picked Caleb down.

[Danny Heitz]

It's crazy. What are we doing there?

[Dana Killings]

And he wasn't like, the headliner. He just came in.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

It wasn't even planned.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know what funny is? In my head, Bill Clinton is, like, ancient because he was the president so long before I was born. And he's still younger than Trump and Biden.

[Danny Heitz]

It's crazy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Crazy.

[Danny Heitz]

It's insane. Dude, Al Gore is younger than these.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's wild. My head.

[Danny Heitz]

Unbelievable.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Clinton is like 98 years old.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The other pick. I want to shout out for one of the better picks of the first round. This is less sexy, but I just think the Browns did a. Did a good job for the Browns, you know, like, you know what we got out of this? We'll get to the Jets. There are two franchises that I don't trust the most. It's Browns and the Jets. I thought the Browns actually did a decent job. They had the six pick. They traded out of it down to nine with the Chiefs. The Chiefs took Mansour Delay in the corner and the Browns at nine, they got a third and a fifth back from Kansas City. They went back to nine and then they took Spencer Fano who was the first tackle taken in the draft who they probably would have just taken at six. So I thought that was nice that they basically still got to pick the first tackle in the draft at nine instead of six. And then at 24, the 24th pick, they had a second first round pick. They took Casey Concepcion on the wide receiver.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Which dk? He's the third wide receiver on your board.

[Dana Killings]

I really liked him. I thought that was a great value for them.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Two things they needed. They needed a number one wide receiver, they needed a tackle and they were able to trade back and still get both of those.

[Dana Killings]

Like a very competent. Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Very competent first round for the Browns.

[Dana Killings]

This is exactly, exactly the type of draft you would have expected a like, really analytics heavy front office to execute. And you know, I think they've been all over the place. Like the trade for Deshaun Watson was, you know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You didn't like that one?

[Dana Killings]

No, that one didn't turn out. That one didn't age so well.

[Danny Heitz]

You sure?

[Craig Horlbeck]

We'll see.

[Dana Killings]

We didn't like it. We didn't like it when it happened

[Danny Heitz]

either, for the record.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Right. But.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, I know. But to me this was like exactly what you picture in your mind when you're like, oh, this is an analytics heavy front office is trade back, pick up extra picks, take more swings. That they still got their top ranked tackle. He was the first tackle off the board. He really good player. Also exactly what they needed.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Go back to last year, like trading out of two to. To get an extra first round pick for the Travis Hunter selection. They. They still got Mason Graham, a guy they probably wouldn't take it anyway.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, Travis Hunter is going to be the best football player of all time, so it's probably a bad player.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jerry's still out.

[Danny Heitz]

Probably.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I mean, yeah.

[Dana Killings]

But yeah, so I agree with you. Like, just all things considered, Browns did a really good job. It's hard to get excited about the Browns, but that's a really solid step forward.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Defensive rookie of the year in the second round last year. Like the Quinton Jenkins.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like on. On the field seems to be like

[Dana Killings]

Judkins was a very good player jogging around at OTAs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Judkins was last year. I'm just saying, like the Browns in the last two years have done really well.

[Danny Heitz]

My pet peeve. Is the object permanent. This is an annoying thing that I, that just I. When guys get hurt and then they just six months later are jogging, are moving and everyone's like, dude, he's fine. What did you think he was doing. I just. But it's not just you. It's just like my whole.

[Dana Killings]

I don't know. I'm. It really is. It's stupid. Yes. But like when you watch a guy

[Craig Horlbeck]

move they're going out there and they're playing catch Mahomes.

[Danny Heitz]

My home's just throwing a football.

[Craig Horlbeck]

His legs are jogging. Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

He said shorts.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You can jog with a torn acl. You can jog with an ACL that

[Danny Heitz]

jump it off the field.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that's fine. My dad tore his ACL when he was 39. Has yet to have surgery.

[Dana Killings]

Some people just don't need it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He can still run.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay. Worst picks AKA bold strategy. Cotton.

[Dana Killings]

So yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who wants to go?

[Dana Killings]

I can start it off. I was really shocked when the Vikings at what pick was it?

[Danny Heitz]

Pick 18.

[Dana Killings]

Pick 18. And there's a lot of really good players on the board. Monroe Freeling is still on the board.

[Craig Horlbeck]

A lot of guys are falling handful

[Dana Killings]

of the good receivers.

[Danny Heitz]

I know you work draft crates but people need to know what college and

[Dana Killings]

position Monroe freeing Monroe Freeling from Georgia.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tackle.

[Dana Killings]

Tackle who was, you know, really, really highly rated guy. Great athlete.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Dylan Dieneman was still on the board.

[Dana Killings]

He was still there. He was really highly safety at Oregon. So several corners I think people thought they might need.

[Danny Heitz]

Did they take any of those really good players the Vikings.

[Dana Killings]

But instead they took Caleb Banks who look, I understand the appeal and he's

[Craig Horlbeck]

a defensive tackle out of Florida.

[Dana Killings]

A siren song because he's 6, 6 3, 27 moves really well. What did you say?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Identifying.

[Danny Heitz]

Studying the draft for four months. No one knows a Caleb Banks. You need to give a position in the column.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I'm like the Tony Hale drive this is here.

[Danny Heitz]

He's like wife or daughter. Wife or daughter.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wife or daughter is like the best game of all time.

[Dana Killings]

Anyway. Caleb Banks, defensive tackle out of Florida.

[Danny Heitz]

Thank you.

[Dana Killings]

Anyway, he.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He.

[Dana Killings]

I think the potential is there. Like this is a really high variance. Very risky play for the Vikings. I was not. I was surprised to see them do something like this. I thought Caleb Banks would probably be a second rounder because. And that's I think what most people thought going into the draft because he missed almost the entire 2025 season to a foot injury. Broke his. He broke his foot in the preseason. Tried to come back.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Why?

[Dana Killings]

Why do you have a shit eating grin on your face? I was just staring at me.

[Danny Heitz]

I'm like thinking about Tony Halen V. Just thinking about him. Just like wife, not daughter. Wife.

[Dana Killings]

Anyway.

[Danny Heitz]

Also because he's 350 pounds. He broke his foot.

[Dana Killings]

Well, he's like home 33, 30.

[Danny Heitz]

And then he broke his foot again.

[Dana Killings]

He broke his foot at the combine

[Danny Heitz]

and he went, he went 18th and

[Dana Killings]

he, by the way, he ran really fast. He was like one of the most athletic defensive tackles we've ever seen. So fast on a fucking broken foot.

[Danny Heitz]

I feel like when defensive tackles have foot injuries, they just disappear. Like, think about Johnny Newton. What has he done for Washington?

[Dana Killings]

Like, I mean it to me. And that's what this is exactly. The point is this is the risk. Probably the riskiest. Maybe the riskiest.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I don't know.

[Dana Killings]

Ty Simpson maybe is a little bit more risky, but one of the riskiest picks in the first round. Because big guys with foot injuries, there's not a great history there. And you know, again, they're kind of in that position where they could be in their, in their window to compete right now. They wouldn't got Kyler Murray. Like, there's people that have high expectations for this team. But to me, that was just kind of a weird pick, honestly. Like, I thought he would be an early second rounder. That's. That's not like a huge difference, I guess. But. Yeah, especially with all the people that were still on the board.

[Danny Heitz]

It's worth remembering the Vikings fired their general manager a few months ago. Question. And then Kevin o' Connell is the head coach there. And then they have an assistant. Yeah, but I don't know how much power it is, but it's worth remembering. I assume Kevin o' Connell has more power there than like the interim general manager. Like, and so this is it. Kind of like a lot of. It's funny because some teams are like what the Rams are doing where even you think they're win now, but it's less need. The GM is like, we're going to think about the future even if we don't want to. And then there are teams where Dave Canales, the Panthers head coach, just says at the onus meeting and just refreshing, honestly, is like, yeah, I really want to start. Who can help us immediately? And I don't really care about long term or value or anything. I want a starter. And that is how some teams think. And I think this is when coaches get involved. Coaches want fucking starters. And I think that's what the Vikings did.

[Dana Killings]

But he might be. I mean, he's hurt. He's supposed to be ready for. For what it's worth, he's, he's. I saw a report that said he's supposed to he's on track to be on the field in June, which gives him plenty of leeway.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But call me when he's jogging in a video.

[Dana Killings]

Right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Any other shooting shots, any other bolt strategy cottons for you?

[Craig Horlbeck]

I just want to kind of generally shout out the jets because the jets took three players in the first round. They traded in for a third at the end. They took David Bailey second instead of Arvel Reese.

[Dana Killings]

That's going to be interesting to watch that those two players.

[Danny Heitz]

I think it was a little cowardly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it's like the higher floor, safer pick.

[Dana Killings]

It's. Yeah, it's a coach in GM or I guess GM's new, but the coach feeling a lot of pressure to win right away.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You think he was making that pick?

[Danny Heitz]

I think. But here's the thing. Do you feel like isn't half the reason David Bailey's getting picked here is because he probably fits a little better with what Aaron Glenn wants to do? Or do you think that if Aaron Glenn gets fired, David Bailey fits with whatever the next coach would do? Either way, it's just a losing mentality to take at the number two pick a lesser player, safer player that like, well, you're like, well, we'll probably screw him up anyway. Maybe there's some kind of profound self awareness there. But it just feels like they're like, no, I don't want a Ferrari. I don't know to drive it. I can't drive a stick shift.

[Dana Killings]

I can't drive a stick. That's pretty good.

[Danny Heitz]

So we can't get an Aston Martin. I don't know how.

[Dana Killings]

So yeah, the, the Bailey over Reese thing, that's going to be very interesting as next as we go along.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like if Arvo Reese is incredible through eight weeks, that's going to look really bad really quickly.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Then they take Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end at Oregon, 16th overall, which was slightly puzzling because last year they took a tight end 42nd overall, Mason Taylor, who was pretty good and seems like like a hit of a pick and it's like okay, you know, two tight end sets, stuff like that. Mason Taylor and Kenyan Sadiq are like both more pass catching tight ends. So it's like how often are these guys going to be on the field? Are you picking a guy 16th overall who's not going to be a full time player?

[Dana Killings]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And then they go on and they take another pass catcher and Omar Cooper at the end of the first and it's like you just took two wide receivers in the first round basically and you just took it. So I don't know, it's a little confusing to me what they're doing.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, I, I, jets fans are angry enough at me. But I would say this about any team. When you take two tight ends that are both kind of pass catching tight ends that also both kind of struggle to block. And like, I think Kenyon sneaks a willing blocker, but he's like the fastest tight end 40 yard dash in like 20 years. Or the fastest tight end since Vernon Davis. That's the idea. He's not that big. He's 6 4, 2 50, like DK. Like when the Raiders do it for Brock Bowers, that's like, well, we can't not take Brock Bowers because we took Michael Mayer. So he's just going to start over. Michael Mary's better. This is more like, oh, we'll take two tight ends, we'll run two 10 sets. Do you feel like that ever works? When it seems like we'll just do. We'll have two tight ends that we. And we'll play both of them like that. I don't get it.

[Dana Killings]

It's usually not, I mean, like, there's two examples of it ever working or whatever. It's like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, the

[Danny Heitz]

convicted murderer is dead. Yeah, like that name. Actually,

[Dana Killings]

I was like, Jordan Reed. That doesn't sound right. Sorry.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Jordan.

[Danny Heitz]

Re.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who was it?

[Danny Heitz]

What was his name?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Late?

[Dana Killings]

I, I haven't had two Red Bulls.

[Danny Heitz]

I should take that back. He's not a convicted murderer anymore because actually he died during an appeal. So he actually was not, he was unconvicted, believe it or not.

[Dana Killings]

All right, cool. No, but the point stands is, is there. To me, it feels like there's redundancy there. So it's like either going to be one or the other. And so you're kind of giving up on, you're giving up on the other guy, Taylor, and going with this. And I like, I don't know. They're not in that. They're not, they're not in the place where they can be doing that. I feel like, I don't know, maybe.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can you see?

[Danny Heitz]

Awesome. I just also, I don't look like I don't love athletic tight ends. They're like, oh, it's just everyone's like, oh, he's going to be great. Like, if he was in last year's draft, he would just, he's not in the same class as Tyler Warren or no, Colson love. He's just not in the same caliber

[Dana Killings]

I mean, the production was not there, which is a huge red flag.

[Danny Heitz]

And he had the most touchdowns of any tight end college football last year. But it was like eight and I'm like, okay, it's not like 15. Like, I don't know. I just feel like, honestly, I don't think he was the best tight end on that Oregon team. I think a year from now we're going to be talking about like, Jamar Johnson's like a better tight end than him. I don't know. It's. I don't want Kenyan Sadiq to be bad. I actually would love if Garrett Wilson and Kenyan Sadiq and Omar Cooper could be good and Breeze hall, but I don't know. Why would you?

[Dana Killings]

They drafted a receiver and a tight end in the first round.

[Danny Heitz]

What's the deepest position in this entire draft? Maybe tight end.

[Dana Killings]

Well, probably receiver.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I just.

[Danny Heitz]

I don't know why.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Either way.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Dip into. I don't know. I. I don't get it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Also, I think with Sadiq, he's the type of guy who is probably going to need like a couple years. You know what I mean? Like, he's definitely the, the athleticism, the freakiness and speed, everything that he brings is there, but the production wasn't there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So that.

[Dana Killings]

What's the question is like, how does that translate? Is he going to be asked to be on the field every. Every. Every down? I think he probably could do that, but there's like a certain way that he can do it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm ready. I'll counter my own, My own pick here. The jets have three first round picks in 2027. So in theory, you know, we're looking at. Arizona has like, wow, you have Jeremiah Love, you have Marvin Harrison, you have Trey McBride. You have no quarterback. The jets are like, oh, you have Garrett Wilson. You have two tight ends you like, you have Breece hall, you have. Now Omar Cooper. You have no quarterback or, you know, Geno Smith. But maybe it's. Maybe the jets are like, fuck it, man. Sadiq was, was the highest guy on our board. We think he's awesome. We have three first round picks next year. We feel very confident that we are going to get a quarterback. And like, let's just build the ship now so that when the quarterback steps in next season, he'll have people to work with.

[Danny Heitz]

I don't have a problem with that. I just kind of. I don't really believe in Sadiq as much. And maybe he's awesome. Maybe I'm totally wrong and like, maybe he'll be fantastic because again, I mean, the jets now have first run pick of Garrett Wilson, first round pick at Omar Cooper, first round pick at Kenya Siddiq, a very high second round pick at Mason Taylor, first round left tackle, first round right tackle. And then, I mean, the interior guards aren't cheap either. Like they have. Well, the interior offensive line is now more of a question, but I mean, man, like, that's a lot of investment. So they, yeah, they better get a quarterback next year.

[Dana Killings]

Could have taken. Could have taken a corner at that spot. Sorry. Taken or took it.

[Danny Heitz]

I was like, could have get your chain. Took a. Coulda took it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Anyway, I think it's. Coulda took a. You can tell it's late because that was not that funny and everybody laughed.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, what was it last year where I laughed? It's like you said, really hard. You're like, that's so, so awkward.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think that was at this table.

[Danny Heitz]

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[Danny Heitz]

Worst Wait, no fit, no fantasy. God, it is late. Geez. Fantasy. Check in.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

So starting with Omar Cooper and Sadiq Gino Smith.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They're going to be low down the list, I think. I mean, rookie tight ends in general. Yeah, the jets. There's now quietly, like, kind of a lot going on there. It's not like a Carnell Tate situation or even Jordan Tyson where you're like, I know where the ball is going.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Also, people are going to yell like, will rookie tight ends have been better lately? Brock Bowers was Brock Bowers one of them best tight end prospects ever?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Kyle Pitts was also one of the best tenement prospects ever, whatever you think of him. And then Tyler Warren was production wise had one of the best seasons ever for a title. Like all those guys coming to college were like completely outliers.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

And like Kenyan Stakes. Not like that otherwise. Cardinal tate to the Titans 1 I, I, I, I still kind of like I called him Teeny Higgins and I still kind of think that's the comp where it's like probably one of the better number two receivers in the NFL and it's kind of like what if T. Higgins was smaller and got the chance to be on the Titans with Cam Ward. I kind of like that. I still think Cam Ward has a lot of Matt Stafford to him where you throw and I think Colonel Tate has a great catch radius.

[Dana Killings]

I just want to say I love that the Titans did this. Did we not talk about that much because people, Titans fans kind of mad at me for poo pooing the whole Jeremiah Love thing for the last couple of months. I'm so glad it worked out this way for them. Jeremiah Love wasn't there for him so they didn't have that choice to make. But I think they made a right, the right move taking Carnell Tate. He was my top receiver by far. He was in his own tier by himself and I think he is actually exactly what Cam Ward needs. Yeah, he's really reliable, great hands, he wins combat catches. And Cam Ward is the type of guy who throw the ball up and, and let his receivers do the work down the field. And he's a number, he's like he's going to be their number one receiver. I think he has the, the skill set and traits to be a number one receiver even though he wasn't playing next to Jeremiah Smith.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, I like this a lot. And I think he's also among the rookies for at least the first season for like redraft fantasy. He's probably the highest ranked guys. He's probably number one. I mean.

[Dana Killings]

Yes.

[Danny Heitz]

Because.

[Dana Killings]

Let's go, let's just go down the list of the receivers Jordan Tyson landed with the Saints. The Saints.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Dana Killings]

It's a pretty good landing spot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's not bad. I mean considering that Olave is there but I mean there is literally nothing else. So it depends how much you believe in Tyler Shock but like you know he's going to be like on the field every snap. I think the number two on this team.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. And Kellen Moore has been a big proponent of running a lot of plays and like, fantasy, the more plays you have, the better chances you have of scoring points. And so I think.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, yeah.

[Dana Killings]

I mean, just being in that offense, like, it's going to. I think he's probably going forward. The wide receiver, one that. In fantasy, don't you think? Like, do you think you would take him over him or Tate, like, in

[Craig Horlbeck]

dynasty or the next year?

[Dana Killings]

For this next year, probably Tate.

[Danny Heitz]

Tate.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Tate and redraft pretty close, I think. Yeah. I mean, also, Jordan Tyson, not the healthiest guy in the world. Chris Olave, not the healthiest guy in the world. Like, there's a lot of up in the air in New Orleans.

[Danny Heitz]

That's true.

[Dana Killings]

So then going down the line, Makai Lemon landed with the Eagles. They traded up to grab him.

[Danny Heitz]

I can't believe A.J. brown's just gone.

[Dana Killings]

We're gonna get.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Let's linger on this, though. Makai Lemon on the Eagles.

[Danny Heitz]

Sorry, you gotta Right.

[Dana Killings]

He did this again, by the way.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He did do it again. It's just.

[Dana Killings]

Who?

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's just in his DNA. He's 1% shifty. Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

1% snake.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So the Steelers had the 21st pick. The 20th pick was on the clock, and it was Dallas. Apparently, Pittsburgh. This was reported after the draft. Apparently Pittsburgh was on the phone with Lemon.

[Dana Killings]

No, Lemon said it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Oh, Lemon said it. Yeah. Yeah. Steelers were on the phone with him, being like, we're going to take you at 21. And then the Eagles trade up with Dallas, their division rival, trade up to 20, swoop in and take Makai Lemon, which I'm fine with. But it did sting a little bit. First I was like, oh, now that even though I wasn't the biggest Makai Lemon guy, but, yeah, Steelers never do.

[Dana Killings]

You have to be kind of perfect.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know. It's like he's kind of differentiates that, like the styles of D.K. metcalf and Pittman and London would have been cool, but now, so. So now in Philly, you have A.J. brown and Devonte Smith, you have Makai Lemon. They brought in Devon Dontavian Wicks this all. This all but confirms that A.J. brown's gone.

[Danny Heitz]

A.J. brown's gonna get traded after the Jude first deadline of the Patriots. Yes, he's gonna get traded.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's now. It's an interesting group. Like, A.J. brown worked for Jalen Hurts because he's like, really good down the sideline. He's this big body, and it's like,

[Dana Killings]

yeah, throw it up to him.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Makai Lemon is more of like an over the middle of the field guy. And now you have devonte Smith, who's like a very specific build at wide receiver. You have Makai Lemon.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, he's good downfield, but I agree. I mean, I mean, he should. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The super bowl, it's an interesting collection of people for Jalen hurts 100.

[Dana Killings]

I don't know.

[Danny Heitz]

The first thing when you get, I would have said was Boston, you were

[Dana Killings]

fit into this offense because they don't really pass over the middle of field.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, well, they're going to try to get Jalen Hurts to pass over the middle of field.

[Dana Killings]

I will say I think Lemon could do some of this stuff. It's going to be interesting to see kind of how they deploy him because. But I do think, like, I'm thinking of A.J. brown, his deployment. I know his was more from like an exposition, but the way we're in

[Danny Heitz]

an act of war, we can't just say deployment.

[Dana Killings]

The way that he was utilized, I can't say it. I'm sorry.

[Craig Horlbeck]

People will get confused.

[Dana Killings]

Right?

[Danny Heitz]

It's late. You just said, you know, his people will think A.J.

[Craig Horlbeck]

brown's in Iran right now. Yeah, Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

I don't want that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You don't want that?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. Okay. Sorry. The way that he was utilizing the offense where he went on the field. Would you go run over there and get on the right side? He was running slant, like, you know, he'll, he'll get off the line, run a slant. They'll throw a slant, the slant to him, and then he'll run after the catch.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, but AJ Brown's fucking huge.

[Dana Killings]

But I think, like, in different ways, Makai Lemon lining up in the slot could do a lot of that type of stuff. We saw that a lot when he was at USC where he was catching the ball, running after the catch, creating after the catch because he's really, you know, he turns into like a running back after the catch.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But I just grade this.

[Dana Killings]

You created a B. I think it's

[Danny Heitz]

because I think it should have been doing.

[Dana Killings]

It's one of those things. Where are they doing this because they want to help Jalen Hurts do better over the middle of field. I think that's kind of like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Or was it like we're getting rid of A.J. brown and this guy's the best receiver on our board?

[Danny Heitz]

I think that Howie Roseman doesn't know to draft receiver is just like it. They're throwing darts at a board. I, I, I do think it's about getting over the Middle field. I got to tell you, I like, I didn't think I, I didn't think I would like Makai Lemon as much as I did. But first they won the political for best receiver in the country. I don't think I care about that anymore because after the Jalen Hyatt. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Once I read the last 15 winners and like five of them worked, you're

[Danny Heitz]

like, ah, but what I do like though is so. And again, Dane Brugler had a lot of these stats of the Beast, which is the most comprehensive document I've ever seen about football.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I really enjoyed his article where he like attached movie quotes. Yeah, that was fun.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, shout out to Dane for that. I still can't believe Dane Brugler ranked like 40 kickers. Yeah, I used to. Jesus.

[Dana Killings]

Sicko. Sicko behavior.

[Danny Heitz]

It's real. I'm concerned for him. Moon Sullivan is 48th ranked kicker.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No kicker in the first round.

[Danny Heitz]

No, no.

[Dana Killings]

Darn.

[Danny Heitz]

But Dane had this stat that busted my parlay Makai Lemon had. He led all college football in first downs and he also were the first down catches and he also was the only Big Ten player with 500 yards after the catch. And I, and I also just liked it. So Mikhail Lemons played cornerback in high school and his freshman year at. Yeah, usc. And I like, I think you could see that in his game. And Mikhail Lemons talked about how he thinks playing cornerback even for like a limited time in college lets he understand he's a better idea of like what cornerbacks are trying to do. And then he sits in zones and so it's like the only issues with MK Lemon's game are his size and the lack of like an elite top gear at speed. But like how many times do we need to see that receivers don't need elite speed? Justin Jefferson does not have like elite speed like Jackson, Smith and Jig, but does not have like an elite top gear. They're still wide open all the time. Mikhail Emine is a smaller guy. I mean, he compares himself to Monroe, but everything that you want, receiver, like, well, he gets open. His route running is great. His hands are unbelievable. He's incredible after the catch. He doesn't go down easily. He knows how to find slots and he blocks his ass off. And I'm like, this is everything you want in a football player. He's just not in like the perfect Calvin Johnson body. But I'm like, I'm pissed that he went to the Eagles.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Steelers so want it.

[Dana Killings]

That's pretty. That's brutal. Can you Imagine being in the Steelers war room and just, just. Sorry, their draft room.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

[Dana Killings]

And having that happen. They're literally talking to the guy they're

[Craig Horlbeck]

about to on the phone. That's tough.

[Danny Heitz]

That's, that is. It's actually embarrassing that they call him and they're just like, yeah, yeah. Like, there's no, like, it's kind of pathetic.

[Dana Killings]

Kind of pathetic.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's a tough beat. I don't know if it's pathetic, but like, they're just doing what they're supposed to do.

[Danny Heitz]

Jinxing it. Like you're just calling the guy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What else do you do you wait for.

[Danny Heitz]

I don't know. Wouldn't you wait for the other pick to be.

[Dana Killings]

It is a little bit. Like, how common is that? It's like, I'm sure it's very common.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

You have to get a little ahead

[Danny Heitz]

of me that they would know. I, I guess I just assumed when they call the guys that they know that the team ahead of them is not calling the guy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I, I would. I, yeah, I see your point. I don't know, but I don't know how common that is. Just because of, like, you want to

[Danny Heitz]

get ahead of it maybe, but it's just the idea that you're. Every time I've ever seen a player on the phone with them, I just kind of assumed they're like, yeah, the

[Craig Horlbeck]

team that's calling is on the clock.

[Danny Heitz]

Been picked yet? Yeah, I don't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So, okay, fantasy wise, so we have Carnell Tate. We think this year is the number one guy in Redraft.

[Dana Killings]

We'd probably say him or Jordan Tyson. I say.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And is Makai Lemon not in that conversation?

[Danny Heitz]

No. What do we do with Jalen Hurts Gone. But Jalen Hurts can be an under

[Craig Horlbeck]

center offense if AJ Brown's gone.

[Dana Killings]

I'm still a little bit worried about the volume. Volume issues. Yeah. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And then, and then just the fact

[Dana Killings]

that he doesn't really fit what they've done. And the where and where Jalen Hurts likes to throw of football.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You have Omar Cooper on the jets. And then we have Casey Concepcion to the Browns, which I, we should give him his own award of like, I'll see you in three years, buddy.

[Danny Heitz]

Gone but not forgotten. Loved your tape. Loved your tape. There's. I, I, I'm making a pact for myself right now. I, there's no chance I'm drafting Casey Concepcion. If he's happy, I'll be so every time he catches a pass, I'll be so happy for him and I will. There's no chance.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So we think it goes fantasy wasteland. Tate Tyson, who's three

[Danny Heitz]

with Gino. I actually kind of trust Gino to get Omar Cooper the ball. Maybe Lemon, maybe.

[Dana Killings]

That's kind of a sneaky one. I like that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can I. Can I make the case for Casey Concepcion and say get the fuck out?

[Dana Killings]

No, I don't. You could. You could.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can I. Can I hit you with. Someone's got to catch the ball in this offense. I know they have hair.

[Dana Killings]

You're going to.

[Danny Heitz]

You're going to have a Cleveland Browns receiver.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's not like the fucking Jet. The Jet situation is fantastic.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, at least they don't have Lake effect affecting. Even if you have a Browns receiver and they're good and then you like turn on the Browns game in December, you're like, oh, yeah, right. They're on Lake Erie. And like, this is.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's funny. I'll probably just slot into the number three spot. Wherever Denzel Boston lands, take him at three. Okay.

[Dana Killings]

All right.

[Danny Heitz]

Highest upside picks of the draft. I want to start honestly. Washington getting Sunny Styles at linebacker.

[Dana Killings]

I. I kind of flew under the radar a little.

[Danny Heitz]

I love Sonny Styles. I think I lost my love for him when people kept saying the Giants would get him. Only because I'm like, we just signed Tremaine Edmonds to like 12 million a year. I don't know. Like, we're also spend the fifth pick on a linebacker. Sonny Styles is awesome. And what the NFC is just getting all these Ohio State guys. Like, Downs went to the Dallas Cowboys. The Giants got Arvel Reese almost got Downs. And then Washington getting Sonny Styles. He's a perfect successor to Bobby Wagner. I think that's frustratingly exactly what Washington needed. But I don't know. What do you think is the highest upside pick other than our village to the Giants?

[Dana Killings]

The Styles one is great. The Chiefs, one that I thought was interesting in the late part of the draft was Peter woods because again, going

[Danny Heitz]

back to defensive tackle from Clemson.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Shylood.

[Dana Killings]

Shyloot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wife, not daughter.

[Danny Heitz]

Wife, not daughter. No daughter, not wife. No. Wife, not daughter.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. Going back to. Coming into this college season, there are some people that thought he could be like a top five pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mood deep.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

A little desert mouse.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They're calling him Mood Deep.

[Dana Killings]

Nasty women.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They call him Lisa. No, Gabriel.

[Dana Killings]

By the way, I. I compared him to Shia Lud is why Craig is doing that.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The worm from Dune, the movie. I saw the first seven minutes of Dune 3.

[Dana Killings]

He. He likes to chase the rhythmic footsteps of a quarterback into the pocket. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, he, to me, is one of the more fascinating first rounds. Do I. Should I even keep going?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, you should.

[Dana Killings]

No, this is actually, at this point I'm like, do. Why am I.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, keep going, please.

[Dana Killings]

He's a defense defensive tackle. He could be good.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He.

[Dana Killings]

He moves really well.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Dana Killings]

And put him next to the. Chris. Chris Jones, maybe. Sure could see something happen there.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Very high upside pick. That is the definition of a high upside.

[Dana Killings]

Thanks, Craig.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mine would probably be. I think this is less high upside than like Sonny Styles and Peter woods, but I. I just liked the Bears getting Dylan Thieman, safety out of Oregon so late. He went 25th. The Bears lost both of their safeties that drew Quan Brisker and Kevin Byard. And so now they have Kobe Bryant, not the Lakers player, Kobe Bryant. But we're in an active war. But Kobe Bryant, Dylan Thieman, which dk. Your comp for him was shades of Jaquan Brisker guy. They literally just lost.

[Dana Killings]

Right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Right. So I don't know. I just feel like he's a really versatile, like, great safety. He was awesome at Oregon and the Bears just getting him at 25 was a fantastic pick.

[Dana Killings]

I just remember Brisker towards the end of the season was having some incredible performances.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, that packers game.

[Dana Killings]

And just basically you could line them up in the slot. You can line him up.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What team did he land on?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, where is he?

[Danny Heitz]

He went to the Steelers.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's right, baby.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Hey.

[Dana Killings]

Anyway, yeah, he just. The versatility coverage, playing the run, coming down into the box and. And blitzing can, like, do a little bit of everything. Yeah, he's. And he's really fast, instinctive. I really like that pick. I feel like that that was one of the low key, just best picks of the round.

[Danny Heitz]

That. Yeah, that was. I'm shocked Carolina didn't take him. That was responsible and boring of the Panthers to just take Monroe Freely. They got left tackle out of Georgia and I think they were kind of shocked.

[Dana Killings]

I wonder if they thought he was even going to be there.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, I love, I love also, every team just says that. They're like, we can't believe he was here. It's just 26 picks.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Patriots.

[Dana Killings]

Sometimes. It's true, though. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

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[Craig Horlbeck]

Who are the most. What were your favorite? Like boring, responsible. Go home to your wife picks where like, like the Steelers.

[Danny Heitz]

What were you saying about the Patriots?

[Craig Horlbeck]

The Steelers taking it out like a tackle? I was like, I wanted Thienaman or Denzel Boston or someone cool. And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Killings]

I mean that was, that's actually a good one. And Craig's reaction live to that pick was like you get up by the tv, you're all excited, heart rate's up and then it's Max and you're like, okay.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm like, yeah, look, I've been on Roger Jones for two years. Like this is probably good. This fine. I mean I. He is probably also somebody who fits in the prior category, which is high upside and like kind of a low floor because this guy just hasn't played a ton of football. And so, dude, he's played very little football but he's extremely like physically gifted.

[Danny Heitz]

So we say all the time, like not a lot of football. He didn't, his high school didn't even have football. He went to juco to play football

[Dana Killings]

and he started out, he thought he was going to be a tight end.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're talking about Max Ionatur. Yes.

[Dana Killings]

Anyway, yeah, I thought that was a good pick. And then they're going to move Troy Faltano to the left side.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think probably because this guy's only

[Dana Killings]

played right tackle and Faltano played left tackle in college.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes.

[Dana Killings]

So I mean it's, it's good. You gotta, you gotta address that because there's a big need for the Steelers, probably the biggest need for the Steelers

[Craig Horlbeck]

to protect our 42 year old quarterback who I. Who definitely, hopefully maybe not coming back.

[Danny Heitz]

I still think Rogers just refusing to tell them is like the funniest thing we haven't talked about enough. I think Rogers just the consistency with which Aaron Rodgers has decided to mirror the end of Brett Favre's career is unbelievable. Right down to playing for the jets after 15 years at the Green Bay and then just holding the team fucking hostage every year, just not telling them if you're going to play or not.

[Dana Killings]

I saw some report that he's mad that they're talking about it.

[Danny Heitz]

Him. Oh, yeah, he's like pissed. It's like, why, why do people keep

[Craig Horlbeck]

bringing my name out of my mouth?

[Dana Killings]

Out of your mouth.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like, well, they don't have any quarterbacks right now.

[Dana Killings]

Buddy, we're got to talk about you.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do you think that Tomlin leaving and now that it's McCarthy, his ex wife, do you think he's just like, yeah, who cares? Like if it was Tomlin, he's like, I respect Tomlin so much I would have told him. But now that it's McCarthy, he's like,

[Danny Heitz]

I let him sweat? Yeah, a little.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, a little.

[Danny Heitz]

It's not. Not. No. I felt the exact same way about what you described about the Steelers taking a tackle as the Giants taking Francis Marino. I was standing in front of the tv.

[Dana Killings]

Fine, it's good pick.

[Danny Heitz]

All I wanted was Caleb Downs. With, with every fiber of my being, I wanted the Giants to say Caleb Downs and they took Francis Marineau. I'm like, you know what, Eat your vegetables. You know, I like that they took a tackle.

[Dana Killings]

When they took, when the Seahawks took Gray Zabel last year, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, like a guard.

[Danny Heitz]

I think he should have won offensive rookie of the year.

[Dana Killings]

And then he actually was very integral to like fixing the Seahawks offense.

[Danny Heitz]

He should have won offensive rookie of the year and honestly, Nick Edmond, Warrior should have won defense rookie of the year for the Seahawks. But the. Yeah, Marino, he's the number one tackle in his high school class. He was a consensus first team all American. He allowed two sacks the last two seasons. 99 Again, Dane Burglar had this stat at the Beast. 99 and a half percent of Francis Marinella's college snaps were at right tackle and basically all of his snaps and high school at right tackle except his senior year. So he's basically only played right tackle really, except the senior of high school. And the Giants signed Jermaine Elementor, he's 32 years old, to another two year extension. But I like that the Giants didn't be like, well, we have a 32 year old right tackle so we can't take. I like that. Whether Mary Noah goes to guard or elementary play, guard goes to guard. Whatever happens, like you're protecting your 42 year old quarterback. The Giants are protecting their 24 year old quarterback. Like there you go, good business.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Both equally as likely to get injured. Injured.

[Danny Heitz]

That's. Well, if Rogers doesn't play, he can't get hurt.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's true. Rogers didn't get hurt last year. People forget that.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, those just go home to your wife. The other one I want to shout out for going home to your wife is the Buffalo Bills who traded back. Did they trade back three different times in this draft?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, they're like, we, we're just not going to take anybody.

[Danny Heitz]

I, Well, I have to say everyone hated this draft. Everyone's like, well there's only 11 good players or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And there's no difference between the 15th player and the 50th player in the draft. The only team that acted like it was Buffalo who just traded back and completely recouped the. Not second round pick, but the 60th overall choice that they sent to Chicago for DJ Moore. And then the Bills just basically picked it all up and they basically ended up, I think more or less if you boil down all the trades, they basically turned the 26 pick to like they moved back 10 spots and they ended up getting like another third rounder. Basically. Like there was a. I forget the exact net of the trade, but they, they did great.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Very responsible. Are we. Should we. When do we mention Fernando Mendoza? Is it even worth it?

[Dana Killings]

Oh, right. The first overall pick.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Good value. I. I don't know. I feel like everyone knows.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I know. It's like I, I just wanted to say it that we, we know that he went.

[Danny Heitz]

We're aware he went first.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yes. Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Honestly, I. The most entertaining moment I have with Mendoza all night was just realizing his ringtone.

[Dana Killings]

Oh God. So great.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's what you expect it would be.

[Danny Heitz]

It's just ringtone.

[Dana Killings]

You gonna play it?

[Danny Heitz]

It. Wait, let me see if I can find it. Craig, can you reenact it?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No, I, I'm trying to remember it specifically. It's like a cartoonish horn. Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

He's like getting the call from the

[Craig Horlbeck]

Raiders that he's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon sound effect. Yeah. It's like somebody tiptoeing across like, you

[Danny Heitz]

know, is that Mendoza's ringtone?

[Dana Killings]

Just insanely on.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Believe that. Is that real?

[Dana Killings]

I don't know.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, I should have checked.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Probably not.

[Danny Heitz]

I think so.

[Dana Killings]

Whatever.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No. Yes.

[Danny Heitz]

Because the video is from Indiana football. This is the official Indiana Football account. Posting this way one more time. It's so funny. It does sound like Tom and Jerry.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It does.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But yes, the Raiders took him. Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

He went first. He's the first pick. Yeah, he's good.

[Dana Killings]

That was the pick I got in my mock draft. Right. You know, that was cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Should we talk about that? Our mock drafts?

[Danny Heitz]

Sure.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How'd you do?

[Dana Killings]

Not very well.

[Danny Heitz]

Was it Mach 1.0 or Mach 2.0? On the way over here, we were talking about how it's 1.0 is the funniest.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's not mock draft one. 1.0.

[Dana Killings]

Can we do like a 1.1? No, I.

[Danny Heitz]

My.

[Dana Killings]

My real final mock draft, which I published on an actual website.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Dana Killings]

I didn't do as bad as the one that Austin made me do right before the show or right before the draft started where he was like, look, let's just put together a top 10.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

And I got Fernando Mendoza, right?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

That's all wrong on Orville Reese. And the rest was history.

[Danny Heitz]

It was a batting average. You would be cut from single A baseball. Okay. Logs. Log. Which again, DK maybe. Who does. I always forget. Is it Brian Regan? Who?

[Dana Killings]

Brian Regan. I saw two log trucks going by each other in opposite directions on the road the other day. And I was like, well, if they need logs and they need logs, let me keep going. Phone call could have saved a lot of trouble.

[Danny Heitz]

So offensive lineman. Log. Log. The Dolphins took Kaden Proctor, the left tackle from Alabama with the 12th pick. They moved back with Dallas and they got two fifth rounders and took Kaden Proctor. I thought it was good. I mean, Kaden Proctor. My question. Proctor has been. So let me get this straight. He's like the biggest guy in the draft. He's like 6, 7 or 6, 8. And then 350 pounds. Has had weight issues. But he's also crazy athlete. Has like three catches, like 20 rushing yards or whatever.

[Dana Killings]

He moves way better than you think. A 350 pound man.

[Danny Heitz]

So why is he not the best tackle in the class if he's the best size and the best athlete?

[Dana Killings]

Some people might think he is. I don't personally, I thought he struggled. What?

[Danny Heitz]

I haven't seen anyone say he's the best.

[Dana Killings]

Mike Renner had him as his number one.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So how about that One for three?

[Dana Killings]

Go yourself. All right. So. But yeah, I mean, the question is, I think, can he handle speed on the outside? I thought that was like a huge issue. He was one of those where he would have really dominant reps and then wildly unsuccessful reps. Against guys. And you're like, jesus Christ, this guy needs to play guard.

[Danny Heitz]

Kaden Proctor had one of those things that was just, like, a little too honest, where he was like, Tyler. Tyler Booker, who's a guard at Bama, who got drafted by the Cowboys. He was like, tyler Booker called me and told me that all the NFL teams love my tape, but they're really concerned about my weight. And they're like, I really have. So he went on a weight plan, and they. You know what they call him? Kaden Proctor. This is one of those things. Like, you can't admit these things. They called him.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, no.

[Danny Heitz]

Fuck, I lost.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, he can't remember.

[Danny Heitz]

No, he's called Crispy, I think, because he Krispy Kreme.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, that's tough.

[Danny Heitz]

And he had to cut Krispy Kreme out.

[Dana Killings]

Well, Saban said something. Saban. I saw this on Twitter, someone quoting it. Saban had said something on the broadcaster before that was not the best thing. Basically, like, you got to keep him in the building and keep him focused and not, like, if he gets outside the building or whatever, he's gonna, like, gain weight. Like, basically he was saying, this is. This was a problem, dude.

[Danny Heitz]

All the packages, when Bama would throw him the ball was called Crispy because he ate so many donuts. But then Tyler Booker called him, was like, you actually have to stop any donuts.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They only designed those plays for him because they burned more calories.

[Dana Killings]

Gotta get his cardio.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, my God. But, yeah, so the Dolphins took him. They also took Chris Johnson, quarterback from. I'm forgetting San Diego State. Goddamn right.

[Craig Horlbeck]

First round corner. No big deal.

[Dana Killings]

Seahawks to take him. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Best of luck, I think Miami. Chris going from San Diego to Miami, Living the dream.

[Danny Heitz]

I also, dude, that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That this guy. Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Do you think.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do you think he's never seen a cloudy day?

[Danny Heitz]

No adversity. I got a two kid and Proctor grew up in Iowa. Iowa to Miami. That's pretty sweet. I know he went to Alabama, but Iowa to Miami Pipeline. That's pretty sweet.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I to Chris Johnson stayed at STSU for all four years. Went in first round the portal.

[Dana Killings]

He didn't want to leave San Diego.

[Danny Heitz]

I was going to say, who goes to San Diego?

[Dana Killings]

And it's like the greatest city in the world, according to Craig.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, dude.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And to Ron Burgundy. Scholars maintain that the translation was lost. Years ago.

[Dana Killings]

We were quoted.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think it means Saint Diego.

[Danny Heitz]

Like, can't possibly be right.

[Dana Killings]

A whale's vagina. And then she's like, there's no way

[Craig Horlbeck]

that's I wonder how many different phrases that will improvised in that scene. And they went with whale's drink.

[Dana Killings]

Craig pulled out of. There's no way that's correct. To us last night, what were we talking about? Hiz had the hiccups. And by the way, sounded like a drunken sailor.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're driving home from dinner in the car. Hid is in the back seat burping left and right with his hiccups.

[Dana Killings]

And then Deacon, we're trying to ask him questions. He was like, like,

[Craig Horlbeck]

you have like one beer. What's the problem here?

[Dana Killings]

It's like, freaking, dude. You sound like you're about to die back there.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So explain the video that you. Can you actually just play the video that you.

[Dana Killings]

Basically, it was like, I saw something on. On Instagram that was basically.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's a remedy for like here.

[Dana Killings]

Host of a podcast had the hiccups. And she was like, oh, I have the hiccups. Do you have any good remedies for that? And he was like, say ttdd kaka.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And she did it and it fucking worked. And I'm like, there's just no way this is correct.

[Dana Killings]

Craig's like, there's no way that's correct.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There's simply no way this is.

[Dana Killings]

You said, there is simply no way that works.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's a prank.

[Dana Killings]

I was like, I really wanted it to work.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, that's just old school.

[Dana Killings]

I've been waiting to sit down on somebody.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, got me.

[Dana Killings]

There's abs. There's simply no way that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What are we talking about? Just going.

[Danny Heitz]

I hated the way I was doing it. You hated the way I was saying it.

[Dana Killings]

I said, say tt cot. Whatever the the words were. And he was like, tt kaka.

[Craig Horlbeck]

DD Like, I'm like the guy in Dumb and Dumber. I'm like, guys, guys. Yeah, this is the back. Hey, you want to hear the most?

[Danny Heitz]

Play the radio.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You should have called an Uber. Why did I drive you home?

[Danny Heitz]

Mock

[Craig Horlbeck]

draft.

[Danny Heitz]

You want to hear the most desoring side of the world? Dd Kaka.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mock draft. I caught that.

[Dana Killings]

Christ.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay, anyway, the logs log the offensive lineman back to.

[Danny Heitz]

You know, Lions took Blake Miller, offensive tackle.

[Craig Horlbeck]

People were surprised. They didn't take Monroe feeling right the lines.

[Danny Heitz]

So they took Blake Miller, who is like the all first team. Just. We just listed the number of starts he played and was like durable. But Blake. So he did just 96 and a half percent of his college snaps.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is that a Clemson tackle?

[Danny Heitz]

Yes, Clemson right tackle. And then so I think the lines are going to move Penne Sewell to Left tackle because Taylor Decker retired. And Blake Miller I just have believed to have missed one practice in four years. And it's because he like broke his fucking leg, which.

[Dana Killings]

So he missed one practice.

[Danny Heitz]

What a legend. That's. That's a. We should have known when we saw that.

[Dana Killings]

He's so lionsy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do you think if you broke your leg you'd be here tomorrow at work?

[Danny Heitz]

No.

[Craig Horlbeck]

To record a podcast.

[Dana Killings]

No, no, absolutely.

[Danny Heitz]

Also, wait, I want to tell you something about Blake Miller. I. I also cannot shout out again enough Dane Brugler's Beast. I had such a great time just diving in all these players on the plane right over.

[Dana Killings]

I did it. I did a draft guide.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You know, hyphens admitted to me that on his flight here he did have WI fi, but he chose not to enable it. To kind of just live up and, you know, just raw dog it and isolation up there.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, I like that. That.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I respect that. It's the only time in your life where you can truly disconnect. Is that 30,000.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, yeah. Sorry. Taylor Decker's release. Didn't retire. But yeah, no, I did just decide to just read the Beast and not be on the Internet in the plane. I just. I just wanted to.

[Dana Killings]

I love that.

[Danny Heitz]

So I wanted to read you this thing from Dane Bruger, which stopped me in my tracks. So 1. Blake Miller's father got Blake Miller Weightlifting at age 8. Which don't love that is what the Gronkowski's did. That's what Rob Gronkowski's father did. That's why they all made the NFL gallons. Rob Gronkowski was. They were. They would go through, I think three gallons of milk at breakfast every. Every morning. Gronkowski.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They were 3 gallons of milk everywhere.

[Danny Heitz]

Not each the collective family.

[Dana Killings]

No. I know how many people are in the family.

[Danny Heitz]

Five brothers, the five Gronkowski brothers. And I think they have one sister

[Craig Horlbeck]

almost drinking a gallon, half gallon each, every morning.

[Danny Heitz]

Mom said they'll go through three gallons of milk each morning.

[Dana Killings]

That's insane.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, they're all weightless.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I'm telling you something, we got to get back in on milk.

[Danny Heitz]

Milk is.

[Dana Killings]

I never left.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, me neither.

[Danny Heitz]

So. But here's the other one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So this in the, in the public consciousness, we need to accept milk again. So unless you're lactose intolerant, then there's other things you can do.

[Dana Killings]

Oat milk.

[Danny Heitz]

So not only.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's like the A2 milk. You ever had that. You ever tried that?

[Danny Heitz]

A2? What's A2? There's like Wagyu.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There's A1 proteins and there's A2 proteins in cow's milk. And. And A2 milk, I believe, only has the A2 protein and not the A1 protein. And apparently it's much easier on the gut

[Danny Heitz]

is pasteurized or not?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, it is raw if it's good enough for Gwyneth Paltrow. You know what I mean? No, it's. It is pasteurized.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay, cool.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Give it a try.

[Danny Heitz]

Maybe I will.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Just not near me.

[Danny Heitz]

All right, guess where the eight year. Guess where Blake Miller went to high school. This guy started weightlifting at 8.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like the name of his high school. Axel Weightlifters High.

[Danny Heitz]

Strongsville.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heitz]

Pretty close.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Mechanicsville High School.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Tyler Ward from Mechanicsville. No, he went to Strongsville High School, which I thought was the funniest thing. Strongsville, Strongsville. Imagine being Clemson. Be like, yeah, we'll take that guy.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Dan Campbell's like, I've seen enough. Say less.

[Danny Heitz]

The Texans traded up.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I would pay to lead.

[Danny Heitz]

The Texans traded up to the 26 pick and took Keelan Rutledge, the guard from. Oh, I don't have it written down. Georgia Tech. And I thought this was funny.

[Dana Killings]

Just.

[Danny Heitz]

I don't think anyone cares about this as much as me. I thought it was funny that the Texans jumped ahead of the Niners and D. Ryan's, the head coach came from San Francisco and the Texans just run the same offense more or less as the Niners do. And I thought it was funny that they just both kind of needed the same guard and they just separately evaluated and we're like, where are you going to want the same guys? And the Texans went up and we're like, hey, fuck you, San Francisco. We're taking this guy. And then I just immediately traded out of the pick because they promoted the same player.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, the Niners traded all the way out of the first round and now have the first pick of the second round.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, right, that's. Oh, that's actually sweet. They'll probably trade that too, but. So the Texans got killer Rutledge and the Patriots traded up for Caleb Lomo, the left tackle at a Utah. So Elliot Wolf, the gm fake GM who doesn't have the GM title, is the GM said that Caleb Lomo could compete for all the positions on the line, which is a very diplomatic way of saying later, Will Campbell will be moved from left tackle to the guard, and then Caleb Loma can be left tackle. And then when two years when Caleb Loma is not a good left tackle, they can Find a new left tackle.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Just keep moving in.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Everyone just keeps. Me and Will Campbell could be center,

[Craig Horlbeck]

and then he'll go to right guard.

[Danny Heitz]

Exactly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Just keep it down and just create right tackle.

[Danny Heitz]

Exactly. That's the only Patriots news. Yeah, that's. I don't have anything else.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I think so. Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Think of anything?

[Craig Horlbeck]

No.

[Danny Heitz]

Dude. The funniest text I got all weekend was when the news article that Mike Vrabel is going to miss day three of the draft to go to counseling. And Austin just texted back. He's like, a lot of men would probably be better off going to counseling than being there for day three, the draft.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I like the, like, the tweets that are like. Like the order of things that. That Mike V. Cares about. Day one of the draft, Day two of the draft, his family. Day three of the draft,

[Dana Killings]

specifically this one.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's like, I'm not missing day one or two.

[Danny Heitz]

Those are important.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I'll bail on rounds fucking five, six, and seven. Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

That could be an email.

[Danny Heitz]

Boring picks that I didn't have much to say about. The Chargers took a key. Messador, with the 22nd pick. I just want to point out that Keldrick Falk, who was the titans pick at 31, is. Akeem Etor is three and a half years older than the Titans pick. Like. Like, Akeem Essador. He is. I mean, on the same college football team, the University of Miami, which almost won the title. You had Malachi, Tony, who's this freshman who was born in, like, 2007, and on the same team as Akeem Essador, who was born before 9, 11, and like, they're on the same college football team.

[Craig Horlbeck]

DK, if Hakeem Messador was 21 or 22, would he be a top 10 pick?

[Dana Killings]

I think so, yeah. Based on what he did last year. Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

So maybe it's like, yeah, wasn't.

[Danny Heitz]

It. Doesn't matter.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wasn't he incredible last year? Yeah, it's like, maybe the Chargers are like, yeah, we don't win this. Like, the whole point is like, we think we're good enough to win now, and he's great. Whatever. We have him for four or five years. Yeah, sure, he's 30. When. When his contract will be up, but it's like, what?

[Danny Heitz]

Well, all the extra years. It's not just Covid. It's. It's. Did he miss two seasons with foot injuries? He had multiple foot injuries in college, which is as a pass rusher. It's one of those where he's. I don't usually give a shit about the. How old is he? Like, oh, with the second. But I'm like 30 years old. In your second contract when you had multiple foot injuries at colleges. It's not nothing now. Maybe in this kind of draft, you're right. It's like the Chargers, they really do need more beef up front. I still think the charges.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We'll get a guy who's really good

[Dana Killings]

now, whatever that player.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

I just still think the Chargers under Jim Harbaugh, they just don't have the heft, the beef and the. The front seven that you would think. But yeah, we'll see. Also want to just note because Miss, it was old. This one stopped me. My track also. This was also in the. No, this was in an interview. He was talking about being coached by Jason Taylor, who's the defensive line coach at Miami. And he's like, oh, he's like a big brother to me. I'm like, bro, he has a son in the NFL. Jason Taylor's son is in the NFL.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How about like a father? Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Stop me in my tracks, but just

[Craig Horlbeck]

tell his son is.

[Danny Heitz]

That's good. Entering his second year of football anyway. That's good. And then the Titans took Kelv on logs. I just want to know. Titans to Keldrick Falk. And again, things that stop me in my tracks. Oh, this was the freaks list by Bruce Feldman that Keldrick Falk can reportedly squat 700 pounds.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That blew me away. Is that the record?

[Danny Heitz]

I didn't know.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is anyone else doing 700 plus and

[Danny Heitz]

then he can bench 450.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Are we going to hit like a thousand?

[Dana Killings]

Anyone else else doing 700 plus?

[Danny Heitz]

He can bench 415 and he can squat 700. That's a lot. And again, I don't know if that's

[Craig Horlbeck]

true, but like, do you think we see 1000 in our lifetime?

[Danny Heitz]

Well, they're going to do the enhanced games and Which I'm kind of into.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What's that? What do you mean?

[Danny Heitz]

They're going to do steroid Olympics. They're like hosting. They're basically going to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Who's we?

[Dana Killings]

Who?

[Danny Heitz]

Somebody. Some entrepreneur guy, some Savannah bananas ass guy is just basically like.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, he's like it. I'll just let all you guys.

[Danny Heitz]

They're going to do the Olympics but for like steroids. And they're like. And the whole pitch is basically these are the real world records. Because it's basically like, what's the heaviest? What's the fastest anyone's ever ran? It's going to be this and 2. You want to watch it and you know it. That's basically the pitch is like, don't pretend like you don't want to see.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Are they going to start a baseball league with steroids?

[Danny Heitz]

They should.

[Dana Killings]

You want to hear the heaviest squad ever?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Okay. Yes.

[Dana Killings]

It was Ray Williams in 2019. In competition it was 1080 pounds.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Wow.

[Dana Killings]

In non competition, Rodney Woodward, 1322 pounds.

[Craig Horlbeck]

13.

[Dana Killings]

Wait, 22 multiply equipped.

[Danny Heitz]

The enhanced games are in Vegas May 24th.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And the enhanced Games need to reach out to our name brand agency because we need to rename that the Enhanced Games. That's terrible.

[Danny Heitz]

It sounds like an ED pill.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Were they credentials? This is a week after my wedding. Should we go?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Where is it?

[Danny Heitz]

Vegas.

[Dana Killings]

Whoa.

[Danny Heitz]

Reverse bachelor party.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What are the events?

[Danny Heitz]

Swimming, track, weightlifting. Oh, that's it. There was a longer list. Honestly, Steroid Olympics is pretty sweet. I think that's pretty.

[Dana Killings]

Pretty sweet.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They just call it that.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Steroid Olympics, Games.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Juiced.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah. Dude, this is something. Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

I'm trying to think, were there any other picks that did. We hit every pick. I'm sure someone's screaming we missed.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Probably Malachi Lawrence went to the Cowboys. We missed. Keldrick Falk went to Tennessee. They traded back in.

[Danny Heitz]

He's the hands game 700 pass.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, sure.

[Danny Heitz]

That one also. He's. He again.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's actually, I think we did hit every other.

[Dana Killings]

We didn't talk about the Seahawks yet.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We didn't talk about Mansour delaying going to the Chiefs at six.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, yeah, that was a good pick. They traded up one or two.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Three, nine to six.

[Dana Killings]

Okay, there we go.

[Danny Heitz]

Wow, look at us. Yeah. Delink. Good pick. Okay, now we hit everything.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There you go.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, he. I like that he talked because he was. He must have been on the phone with Adam Peters too, or talking to Adam Peters. The GM of Washington was picking seven. And during his press conference, man.

[Dana Killings]

Sir.

[Danny Heitz]

Delaney, who was again the LSU cornerback who went to the Chiefs, he just said. Yeah, Mr. I think he said.

[Craig Horlbeck]

When was he on the phone with him?

[Danny Heitz]

I don't know. But during his press conference, Delane said, Adam Peters. Like you were too. Fuck. I should just look up what he said.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, I wonder if that. It's like the same with the makai.

[Danny Heitz]

I'm wondering the same thing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Even though they were the next pick, if they called called him, you. I think you tip them off and say, hey, we're thinking about take. Or we're like planning on taking you. Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

A lot of times they try and just get a hold of you. And they're like, hey, we're thinking about picking you here. Be ready.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Because you're gonna be on tv.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're gonna be a big star.

[Dana Killings]

Also, did you. Did you. Did you mean to do the thing where you just skipped the Seahawks pick? Or was that a joke? Or were you serious?

[Craig Horlbeck]

We talked about it.

[Dana Killings]

Do we.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You said, we talked about the worst picks are the most baffling.

[Danny Heitz]

No, we didn't really get to it.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I guess we only do Jaren priced

[Danny Heitz]

Aaron Price was 32nd.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah, you're right. I thought we hit both Notre Dame. We didn't.

[Danny Heitz]

This is. I'm sorry for starting the show with Ty Simpson. We should have started the show with this. We got an email from a guy last week.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Who said. Forgot about it. He had a bet with a friend that the Seahawks would not take a running back at any point in this draft. And if the Seahawks took a running back with their first pick, his friend, not only does he have to pay his friend $200, but his friend gets to kick him in the nuts as hard as he can. And that guy's getting kicked in the nuts. I literally.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Emphasis on as hard as he can.

[Danny Heitz]

I emailed this guy back as soon as the Seahawks dictionary and Price. I emailed this guy back from the ringer email. I cc'd my real email. I was like, get us the video asap. I'm gonna see if he responded. This guy's gonna kick

[Dana Killings]

with, like, his legs.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Surrender cobra.

[Dana Killings]

Like, spread open so this guy can get full foot God action in the nuts.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I. If I'm. If I'm the person doing the kicking, I think I just say, hey, double the money. I'm not kicking you in the nuts.

[Dana Killings]

There we go. Now we're talking.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh. The top email right now is from Annie, who's. Who's a ball doctor. She's worried.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That's the legal term.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, she's a urology resident, but she's, like, being honest. I'm a ball doctor.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heitz]

All right. And flex. Look, she's worried. Annie's worried about this guy. Basically sounds like as she should be. And he's.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But Annie, people. People get hit in the balls all the time. How are we all okay?

[Dana Killings]

We're not, Craig.

[Danny Heitz]

What do you mean?

[Dana Killings]

Some people don't have two balls?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Some, yes, but.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, actually, you want an email about that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You want an email about that every single day.

[Danny Heitz]

So I've been meeting. I haven't told you guys this yet, but I Think the ball thing is the most. One of the most emailed subjects you've ever had?

[Dana Killings]

Of course.

[Danny Heitz]

The. The ball in. Getting kicked in the balls is. Is I maybe the top. There's nothing female thing we've ever had. Do I. Can I read you one of them? The.

[Dana Killings]

Yes, sure.

[Danny Heitz]

Wait.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I just think we. We're getting hit in the balls all the time. As a kid, you get punched in the nuts. You take a baseball to the nuts, a grounder hits you, you're on your bike, something. It's like things just happen and it's. It's. Most of the time it's just fine. Even though those. Those guys are just hanging out down there, just vulnerable, naked.

[Danny Heitz]

Sorry. The guy emailed me back. The guy emailed me back.

[Craig Horlbeck]

The nuts guy.

[Danny Heitz]

Damn. You had that email queued up. I got.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He did. It was like 30 seconds after the

[Danny Heitz]

pick and Hyvin's like, I'm emailing that guy. I might have beaten his own stream. He might have gotten the email instantaneously. He said, damn you. The queued up. I got a package in the mail today from my friend who I made the bet with. It said, don't open it till the pick is in. And then I opened it. It was a bucket and a bottle of champagne with a note that said, please add ice.

[Dana Killings]

Ice up your balls. Ice up, son.

[Danny Heitz]

Ice up, son. Oh, my God, that is so good.

[Dana Killings]

This guy's gonna really.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Did we get any good info about getting kicked in the nuts and the damage?

[Dana Killings]

When is the nut kicking taking place? If you send him a package. Are they not even in the same town?

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, does he have to take a

[Dana Killings]

flight to get his nuts kicked?

[Danny Heitz]

Honestly, he actually like a really good movie.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, first you have to go through

[Dana Killings]

TSA and then you have to get your nuts kicked.

[Danny Heitz]

I gotta fly.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You have to like make a cross country trip to get your nuts kicked.

[Danny Heitz]

Kicked.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That feels like something that should have. That's like an Andy Samberg movie.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, you gotta, like, use them a few times before you lose them.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, on the trip.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, wow.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Interesting.

[Dana Killings]

It's like a. It's like a coming of age story. Sorry,

[Craig Horlbeck]

That would be on the poster. The coming of age story. I'm sure that's happened before. You can't find it, can you? You whatever you.

[Danny Heitz]

So many people email me.

[Dana Killings]

Killing the nuts.

[Danny Heitz]

I am. Wait, can I reach you. Wait, can I read you this? I. I don't know if you guys are going to find this as funny as I did, but I was reading this one. I Was this is from Bradley.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Brad B.

[Dana Killings]

Bone Bradley.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, firstly, protein, chocolate milk for breakfast. Two parts.

[Dana Killings]

Wow.

[Danny Heitz]

First of all, back in high school, maybe age 15 or so, my friends and I used to play a game called nutball.

[Dana Killings]

Sounds right.

[Danny Heitz]

The premise was you sat on opposite sides of the living room and your boss. Yeah. Rolling a softball across the floor, aiming for the other person's crotch.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Never mind.

[Danny Heitz]

The game ends when someone quits.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

And you would have forced yourself not to flinch because if they got hit while hanging like a punching bag, it's way worse. Instead of just stationary, we used to

[Craig Horlbeck]

play where like it'd be like five or six of us, we'd all sit in like a big circle just on your butts and we'd have like a. I guess it was maybe just like a tennis ball or sometimes and you just. Just toss it up and try to land it right on the nuts.

[Danny Heitz]

Wait, so the next part of the email, the Bradley writes, also related, but different. Around the same age, I had a friend with an older cousin. The older cousin was a senior. When we were freshmen, he heard a rumor that if you get hit in the taint hard enough, it would make you shit yourself.

[Craig Horlbeck]

We're the best.

[Dana Killings]

It's just physics.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Ain't nobody doing it like 15 year old boys, you know what I mean?

[Danny Heitz]

This crew, he heard a rumor that there was a rumor yourself. So on a drunken. So he's a senior in high school, he says on a drunken night, he asked his friend to punch him in the tank.

[Dana Killings]

Punch him in the taint and see if he would.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And what?

[Dana Killings]

Punching him in the taint? What are you bending over?

[Danny Heitz]

Well, I'll tell you what happened. The friend missed.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, for.

[Danny Heitz]

Punched him directly in the paws. And after

[Dana Killings]

from behind. That's like not a common way to get hit in the balls.

[Craig Horlbeck]

From punch in the balls?

[Dana Killings]

In the balls from behind.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, he might be the first one.

[Dana Killings]

I mean, it's. It's certainly possible to happen, but it just. That's not the one you hear about the most.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No.

[Danny Heitz]

So after a hospital trip, he finds out that one of his balls could no longer make sperm.

[Craig Horlbeck]

No way.

[Danny Heitz]

See, Craig, now everyone also.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Well, yeah, he got punched in the balls from behind.

[Danny Heitz]

He said all of us call him Dead Ball to this day.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh my God. Damn.

[Dana Killings]

Wait, so did he ever find out

[Craig Horlbeck]

about shitting yourself all because of that taint rumor?

[Dana Killings]

God, who started this rumor?

[Danny Heitz]

Dude, I was.

[Dana Killings]

What? A girl?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, this would be funny.

[Danny Heitz]

He heard a rumor that if you got hit at the taint hard enough it would make you shit yourself.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, that's. I'm trying to think about the, the actual, like, how they decided this was gonna work thing. Because he's like, did he take down his pants?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is there an official medical term for the taint?

[Dana Killings]

Perennial.

[Danny Heitz]

That's a great question.

[Dana Killings]

What is it called?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Is that right?

[Dana Killings]

Well, now I gotta. Do I have to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

People call it the gooch. The taint. Is there or is it just like the space in between?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, it's grundle.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

You Google scientific term for taint?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Perineum, paraneum.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, I actually think I have heard that.

[Dana Killings]

Okay. That's what I was trying to say.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

I'm just not good at speaking.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Can we. Can I quickly give you some football thing? I saw that Austin sent us.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Ty Simpson said that he has. He's Never met Sean McVeigh.

[Danny Heitz]

What the are you talking about?

[Craig Horlbeck]

He said on Sirius xm. It seems great.

[Dana Killings]

Never met him.

[Danny Heitz]

He's. They never met and they took him.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This is a mess.

[Danny Heitz]

I really. I, I.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He never met him. Like, does that mean that's crazy. Could he have spoken over the phone with him, or does that mean no?

[Danny Heitz]

I feel like you would have mentioned that.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

You'd say, I, we. We talked on the phone. But I'm excited to get to.

[Craig Horlbeck]

I hope this isn't out of context. And he was like, I've never met Sean McVeigh. I mean, I've talked to him over the phone, but they only clip.

[Danny Heitz]

But here's the thing. I still like the idea that you would have a quarterback succession plan is, like, unpopular among fans. But if everyone believes in it and they're like, look, you know, look, Stafford, we're like, maybe you'd be like, we're lucky staff.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, if it was McVeigh being like, Look, I believe in this. She'd be like, okay.

[Danny Heitz]

The entire premise of the Rams taking Ty Simpson is like, well, McVeigh must know what he's doing. The idea that McVeigh is also like, nah, this is fucked. This guy sucks. Is less. Honestly. Lesson's putting his job on the line or really his balls on the line. It's just me.

[Dana Killings]

He's like, punch me as hard as

[Craig Horlbeck]

you can in the taint and the

[Danny Heitz]

thing's going to miss.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's like, if Ty Simpson isn't a pro bowler by year three, you can kick me as hard as you want in the nuts.

[Dana Killings]

I feel like I know the answer to this because you said you won't kick hes in the nuts. If you asked.

[Craig Horlbeck]

But would.

[Dana Killings]

For your best friend, would you kick. Would you punch him in the taint if he asked you to?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah,

[Dana Killings]

Because I'm a good friend.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

If he wants. He wants me to. Is different.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, you. You're like, yeah, yeah. He might throw up. That'd be funny.

[Danny Heitz]

Or you might.

[Dana Killings]

Himself.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're gonna have to get out of the way.

[Danny Heitz]

You have your problem with doing it for. From the back. No wonder he missed. It's like you're kind of thinking, what if this works?

[Dana Killings]

What are you. You're doing an uppercut. I'm like, picturing like, a. Like a. Like a bending over, like, you got.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. He'd have to really have that thing up. He'd have to really be ass up.

[Dana Killings]

That's what I'm saying.

[Craig Horlbeck]

How did the arch that back, buddy? Dang.

[Dana Killings]

I'm just saying, like, Jesus, he did an uppercut. No wonder he hit him in the nuts.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally hit it from the back.

[Danny Heitz]

Jesus Christ. All right, well, on that note, we

[Craig Horlbeck]

should say, I do want to shout out. Yesterday, we got dinner at a great restaurant called Budanoki, and it's fantastic.

[Dana Killings]

Delicious.

[Craig Horlbeck]

It's in Virgil Village. It's like an Isakaya Japanese spot. Shouts out Eric, the owner, Ebone.

[Danny Heitz]

If you're in Los Angeles, you should go to Budanoki.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Fantastic place.

[Dana Killings]

Great vibes, too, in the restaurant.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Like, it's like Japanese bites.

[Danny Heitz]

Beer.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Great vibe. We had a wonderful time. Shout out, Budoki. That's where I have a drink. The one beer and then got the hiccups. Sounded like classic. Thank God it didn't happen at dinners, which there's like, bubbles.

[Dana Killings]

Bubbles coming out of his mouth. It's like, Jesus, dude.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What's happening? What's going on back there? Like,

[Danny Heitz]

Seen a chicken?

[Dana Killings]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Danny Heitz]

All right, we have. We have a round two, round three recap. We're gonna record tomorrow night. Hopefully, it's as ridiculous as this one. We're gonna have another episode going up Sunday night or Monday morning, and then we have more episodes coming next week. And again, we're gonna have episodes every week. We have fantasy landing spots next week. We're gonna have recaps of the draft, and we're gonna have episodes every week, all summer. So if you've made it this far with the taints and all this stuff, then you'll probably enjoy the episodes we do over the summer too. And yeah, thank you to Ebon at Budanoki, and thank you everyone who helped us there. You guys were Great. Sorry, I broke a glass. Ivan said break a glass with the chops.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They were very nice about it.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, they were.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to. Oh, I'll shout out bad. Shout out to Good Kit. I saw them.

[Dana Killings]

Oh, yeah, that's awesome.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Oh, yeah, that's cool.

[Danny Heitz]

Cool. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Carlos, thank you to Austin. Thank you to everyone for listening and thank you, Lord, Lord.

[Dana Killings]

Thank you, Sticks.

[Danny Heitz]

Oh, nice.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Okay. They were playing Renegade before the Steelers picked the 21st pick. They played the entire song and they're like doing this cool video montage like showing the whole space in Pittsburgh. And DK's like doing his draft grades and he looks up, he's like, like, how long is this they going to play the whole damn song? I'm like, they're in Pittsburgh, dk.

[Danny Heitz]

I know.

[Dana Killings]

I kind of forgot it was in Pittsburgh, but I was just like, God,

[Craig Horlbeck]

are they going to play this whole. Wrap it up already. We get it.

[Dana Killings]

It's like a three minute song, dude.

[Danny Heitz]

Also, those people were standing there for like 14 hours and all they wanted to hear was that song. And he's like, come on. No.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, I just kind of forgot that it was Pittsburgh thing.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Do they normally. So when Goodell walks out to begin the draft and everybody boos him. This year he came out with Cam Hayward and TJ Watt to try to like, to like prevent the crowd from

[Dana Killings]

booing and be like, yeah, it was

[Craig Horlbeck]

like, it's like a blockade of goodwill.

[Danny Heitz]

Who's that 14 year old streamer walks around the big bodyguards. Jack, what's his face? Oh, yeah, that look was Goodell walking with Cameron?

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. And of course he still got booed. And he was like, come on, look at these guys.

[Dana Killings]

The way that he does that is so.

[Craig Horlbeck]

He's trying to always do that where he comes out with beloved players.

[Danny Heitz]

He came out with Detroit. I think he came out with Eminem. He came out with I think one year he tried with like, one year he tried with like, it was like make a wish kids. Or like he came out with like literal children and the kids got booed. Like, he's tried everything. He's tried everything to not get booed. And now he pretends to be okay. He's like, come on, louder. But he dies a little inside every time.

[Dana Killings]

He doesn't give a.

[Danny Heitz]

He hate. He hates. No, there was internal memos.

[Craig Horlbeck]

There were like, nobody likes being booed by 300,000 people.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, nobody's like, fine, I don't care who. No, there Was.

[Dana Killings]

That's fair.

[Danny Heitz]

A while ago. Yeah. There was. Universally reviled.

[Dana Killings]

I changed my mind.

[Danny Heitz]

That's fair.

[Craig Horlbeck]

That does sound bad. There were 300. This draft set the record by a mile. Apparently 320, 000 people in attendance. The previous record was like 275. I had 320, 000 people were in attendance to watch the NFL draft. That there are 120, 000 people at Coachella to see, like, Justin Bieber and Sabrina Carpenter and 50 other, like, turn this song off. There are triple that amount of people who watch. Watch a guy stand on the stage and go with the 26 pick. The Panthers select Monroe Freeling. You can't even see what you're watching

[Danny Heitz]

it on a screen. The Bill Burr video. Yes, dude. Meanwhile, imagine being a Bills fan and drove, like, all the way from Buffalo to Pittsburgh and they just traded out back. You trade out three times.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Danny Heitz]

Also, a friend of mine truly built

[Craig Horlbeck]

different than people who do that.

[Danny Heitz]

Someone put that fact or that stat or whatever in the group chat. Group chat. I've been for one of my leagues, so, like, 350,000. One of my friends like, yeah, there's no way that's right. Right.

[Dana Killings]

How do they count that?

[Danny Heitz]

That's what I was like. How do they count the 300?

[Dana Killings]

Wild guess.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What do you mean? They probably have to walk. Do you have to walk through security and they're like.

[Danny Heitz]

Well, you think the security guards are just clicking through each.

[Craig Horlbeck]

They have to go through, like, a turnstile type thing. Maybe it's like, register.

[Danny Heitz]

I think to some degree that number is fake. I. It's very oddly precise. 315,000 people. What showed up to the city went to the.

[Dana Killings]

Well, that's how I feel about when the river. When they like, like, do the 1 million people came to this super bowl parade thing.

[Danny Heitz]

Yes. It's like. It's a highly educated guess.

[Dana Killings]

Sure.

[Craig Horlbeck]

And, you know, I don't want to yuck anybody's yum. If you're a listener of the show,

[Dana Killings]

I feel like we do that a lot.

[Craig Horlbeck]

You're right. If you're a listener of the show, I love yuck. And you went to the draft or you've been to draft in the past and you had a great time, Email us and sell us on why it's worth it. I want to know pitches.

[Danny Heitz]

Also tell us how you went to the.

[Dana Killings]

They serve alcohol.

[Craig Horlbeck]

If you went and regretted it, I want to know that as well. But if you're like, actually, it's the best you guys don't know what you're talking about.

[Danny Heitz]

Out.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Let us know why.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, that sounds good. I would love to be p. How do you pee? I want to know that. It's like New Year's like time screen

[Dana Killings]

like any other concert.

[Craig Horlbeck]

What was the weather today in Pittsburgh?

[Danny Heitz]

That was a nice day.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Was it?

[Danny Heitz]

The scenery is pretty great. That's a great spot for. Oh, it look.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, I agree. It looked beautiful. Yeah, the Highway 60, that's not bad.

[Danny Heitz]

Sticks Renegade, baby.

[Dana Killings]

The J is up.

[Craig Horlbeck]

When's this over?

[Dana Killings]

So I literally was just like, are they gonna play this whole song? And Craig's like, shot, dude.

[Craig Horlbeck]

This is all I have. All right. We're gonna go nine and eight again. Let me live.

[Dana Killings]

It was like I truth, truly in the moment, forgot you were a Steelers fan and forgot it was in Pittsburgh. And I was like, goddamn song.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah, we should say the draft was way quicker this year. Oh, yeah, it was like an hour. Used to be 10 minutes between picks. Now it's eight. And you felt it. It was like pitch clock in baseball. Man, this is is tight now. I. I had a great time.

[Danny Heitz]

Yeah, I did too.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Danny Heitz]

Good draft.

[Dana Killings]

Yeah.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Yeah.

[Dana Killings]

All right.

[Danny Heitz]

Do it again tomorrow.

[Craig Horlbeck]

Let's go to bed.

[Danny Heitz]

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[Craig Horlbeck]

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[Danny Heitz]

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