Combine Check-in: Rueben Bain's T. Rex Arms, Our Top 5 WRs, and NFLPA Report Card Leaks

Summary

The Ringer NFL Draft Show

Episode: "Rueben Bain Jr.'s T. Rex Arms, Steelers Have Only Five Toilets, and Craig Reveals His Top Five WRs"

Date: February 27, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Krolbeck
Location: Live from Indianapolis at the NFL Combine

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Episode Overview

This lively episode finds Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Krolbeck broadcasting together from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. The trio dives into the latest NFL trade news, features big-picture Draft analysis, breaks down combine measurements (with an obsessive focus on arms and hands), and finds comic relief in the Steelers’ shockingly sparse toilet situation, as revealed in the annual NFLPA workplace survey. Craig also reveals his personal top five wide receivers in the 2026 draft class, generating spirited debate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Titans-Jets Trade: Tavandre Sweat for Jermaine Johnson

[02:55-05:36]

• Overview: The Titans and Jets swapped former first-round edge rusher Jermaine Johnson (to Titans) for massive defensive tackle Tavandre Sweat (to Jets).
• Analysis:
  • Johnson reunites with Robert Saleh, his former coach, after an Achilles injury marred his trajectory.
  • Sweat is described by DK as a “huge, huge man…my favorite comp of all-time, I compared him to the Ever Given, the ship that got stuck in the Suez [Canal].” [04:07, Danny Kelly]
  • Both teams still have significant roster holes; this trade is viewed as more about “player fit” than reshaping either’s draft plans.
• Quote: “I was looking at the rosters like, I don't think this really changes much in the draft. It was just simply player fit. Johnson wanted to get out of New York and I wouldn't read a lot into this in terms of like what that means for the draft.” [04:26, Danny Kelly]

2. Anthony Richardson Trade Rumors & QB Market

[05:44-14:08]

• Rumors swirl that Anthony Richardson is on the trading block, possibly to the Vikings. There’s skepticism an NFL team can truly develop two first-round QBs simultaneously (Richardson and J.J. McCarthy) behind a vet like Kirk Cousins.
• Insightful Moment: “When he's playing well, [Richardson] is one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch in the NFL. I want him to be good so bad.” [06:22, Craig]
• Concerns About Richardson: Young, raw, only recently fully healthy (“Now they're like, don't worry, he can see.”—07:12, Heifetz). Commitment to the ‘professional’ NFL process is questioned.
• Best Fit?: Hosts agree Richardson needs a veteran QB as a model, referencing the Eagles and Jalen Hurts as ideal, versus learning from J.J. McCarthy or going to a struggling environment like the Jets or Browns.
• Wider Free Agency Market: Lamentations over a “terrible quarterback free agency market…none of these are inspiring at all.” [13:58, Craig]

3. Early NFL Draft Big Board Trends

[15:22-18:30]

• Top of the Draft: The crew analyzes projected picks and why certain fits (like the Giants selecting a non-receiver at #5) make more sense.
• Discussion about positional value: “There's never been a number two receiver taken…with a top-five pick.” [17:52, Heifetz]
• Tackles: Consensus that it's hard to argue with teams selecting top tackles even if individual results vary. “You can go wrong, but you can respect the decision.” [17:26, Kelly]

4. Combine Obsession: Rueben Bain Jr.'s “T-Rex Arms”

[18:30-24:43]

• Rueben Bain’s Arm Measurement: Drops into the 1st percentile for edge defenders, under 31 inches, considered an extreme outlier.
  • “He has short arms and people are acting like it's this huge deal, which it might be, but it's not a new piece of information.” [19:22, Kelly]
  • Debate if short-armed pass rushers can/should go top-15.
  • “Do you want to bet on outliers? But also…this guy is obsessed with football.” [21:04, Heifetz]
• Draft Philosophy: Avoiding physical outliers early is preferred, but Bain’s production is convincing. “He jumps off the screen when you watch.” [23:39, Craig]
• On Outliers: “If you're wrong, you look dumb.” [23:00, Heifetz]

5. NFL Combine Measurement Rant (Arms, Hands, & Height)

[24:43-38:57]

• Spirited critique of how the NFL measures arm length (should be hinge-to-wrist, not tip-to-finger), hands, and the “insanity” of percentiles.
  • Memorable: “We need hand turkeys. We need them to do a hand turkey Thanksgiving. Like, I want to see overall circumference.” [31:00, Heifetz]
  • On height measurements: “His height is 6024. What the f*ck is with these people?” [32:14, Heifetz]
• Caleb Banks, DT, Florida: Emerges as a “physical freak” of the draft, with off-the-charts size, wingspan, and explosiveness.
  • “Biggest man in this draft…He looked more like a power forward.” [36:24, Kelly]

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Most Memorable Segment: Steelers Have Only FIVE Toilet Stalls

[40:09-53:57]

• NFLPA Survey: The annual workplace survey (supposedly embargoed by the NFL, but leaked to ESPN) ranks the Steelers dead last in the league, infamous for just five bathroom stalls for the entire roster.
  • “The locker room only has five bathroom stalls for the entire team.” [42:50, Craig]
  • “That is wild...Less than half the bathrooms in Russell Wilson’s house.” [42:54, Danny Kelly]
  • Recurring joke: “Russell Wilson's house had four bedrooms, twelve bathrooms. The Steelers…90-man roster…Five stalls, dude.” [43:09-43:25]
• Institutional Arrogance & Cheapness: Discussion on how and why so many legacy NFL franchises resist investing in player facilities.
  • “It’s not arrogance, they're broke. The money…” [44:06, Heifetz]
  • “If it was good enough for my granddaddy…” [44:22, Kelly]
• Extended Bathroom Jokes & Sympathies: Musings on bathroom queue logistics, impact on shy poopers, and comparisons to “the worst toilet in Scotland” (see: Trainspotting).
  • “[Mike Tomlin] held a lot of sh*t together. The further we get away from this, the more I respect Tomlin.” [51:36-51:43]

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Craig's Top Five WRs: 2026 Draft Class

[57:54-67:13]

Craig unveils his top five receiver prospects, sparking debate among the trio.

Craig’s Top 5:

1. Jordan Tyson
   • “If the best play of Christian Watson's career is just every play of Jordan Tyson…he is like the 2.0 version.” [58:36, Craig]
2. Denzel Boston
   • “His energy and fluidity…at his size, I'm just like, this guy also moves just really well for a 6’4” [60:02, Craig]
3. Carnell Tate
4. (Tied) Makai Lemon & Omar Cooper
   • Lemon skepticism: “He seems way small…does not seem 5’11” to me.” [60:26, Craig]
   • Cooper praised as “just going to be productive in the end.” [63:57]
   • “Classic archetype that falls, like Amon-Ra St. Brown…Just knows how to play football. He's a professional.” [69:36, Heifetz]

DK’s Rankings Differ:

• Carnell Tate #1: “He’s really polished…he’s going to be really good.” [62:09, Kelly]
• Lemon #2, “incredible body control, great speed after the catch.”

Notable Quote:

• “Receivers more than any other position are pick your flavor. You have the types, or archetypes you gravitate to.” [69:58, Danny Kelly]

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Combine ‘Freak’ Safeties & The “Emanwori Effect”

[71:59-74:59]

• DK identifies a new trend (inspired by last year’s Nik Emanwori, a Seahawks rookie): Safeties who are rare athletes can “change the calculus” for team defenses.
  • Prospects to watch: Caleb Downs, Dylan Thienaman (Oregon), Emanuel McNeil Warren (Toledo)
  • “I think the M&W effect could rise, just because teams are going to be like, maybe we can get our version…” [74:47, Kelly]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• The Ever Given Comp:

  • “I compared [Tavandre Sweat] to the Ever Given, the ship that got stuck in the Suez…” [04:07, Kelly]

• On Rueben Bain:

  • “He didn't even get a haircut for the combine...You know how locked in you have to be?” [21:04, Heifetz]

• NFL Facilities Cheapness:

  • “I was meeting with this coordinator...they won't pay $40,000 for an assistant. Your time is so valuable…and yet you have to schedule your own meetings.” [54:28, Heifetz]

• Steelers Toilet Scandal:

  • “That’s less than half the bathrooms in Russell Wilson’s home in Denver.” [42:56, Kelly]
  • “Five stalls for an entire NFL team!” [43:35, Kelly]

• On Percentiles:

  • “He’s in the first percentile of arm length — bad. But if you’re rich, the top 1% is good. Math is hard!” [25:52, Craig]

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Additional Segments

• Combine Rants: Frustration over NFL measurement inconsistencies (height, arms, hands); impassioned, humorous, hyper-nerdy debate. [24:43-38:57]
• Egg Bites & Work Bathroom Politics: Post-content, the group swaps breakfast tips and crowd-sourced stories about awkward workplace bathroom situations. [76:06+]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Titans/Jets Trade, Defensive Fit: 02:55–05:36
• Anthony Richardson/Minnesota Rumors: 05:44–14:08
• Draft Top and Giants Debate: 15:22–18:30
• Rueben Bain Arm Length/Combine Obsessions: 18:30–24:43
• Percentiles & Measurement Rant: 24:43–38:57
• Steelers’ Five Toilets/Facilities Survey: 40:09–53:57
• Craig’s Top 5 WRs: 57:54–67:13
• Draft WR Philosophy, Archetypes: 68:23–70:46
• “Emanwori Effect” & Freak Safeties: 71:59–74:59

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Tone & Style

The show is loose, comedic, irreverent, and hyper-football-nerdy. The hosts veer wildly from in-depth scouting talk to rants about NFL traditions and institutional cheapness, punctuating serious evaluation with running gags (stalls, percentiles, outlier-avoidance). The camaraderie and sharp banter are as much a draw as any scouting wisdom.

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Recommended For

• Hardcore draftniks and combine obsessives
• Listeners who want NFL front-office gossip and league culture insights
• Anyone who enjoys sports podcasts with humor, chemistry, and a healthy dose of skepticism about NFL tradition

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Closing Note

For questions, survey leaks, or bathroom horror stories, the hosts encourage emails to [e-mail]. They’ll be back post-combine for more draft coverage, trade reactions, and likely even more jokes about facility neglect.

Transcript

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[Danny Kelly]

Foreign.

[Danny Heifetz]

Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbeck in person in Indianapolis at the combine. We have Reuben Baines arm length measured or do we? We don't know who finds out. We are going to go over DK's big board updated to top 50 players NFL draft.theear.com Craig our insider here. Craig is going to go over his top receivers, but we're going to cover the story that really matters as well, which is the Steelers coming in last in the NFLPA survey and not having enough players or places for their players to go to the bathroom. So we're going to hit all that. Some people keep the hard Hitting news from you, but we do the work we do. Yeah. All right. What should we do first?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Let's start with the trade. I mean it was a small, a smallish trade. Curious what you think if this, if this changes DK your opinion on what these teams will do in the draft. The Titans traded defensive tackle Tavandre Sweat to the jets and the jets sent edge rusher Jermaine Johnson right to the Titans. Is this a classic defensive philosophy Salah?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Tavonte Sweat did make sense for him. Sends him away for a guy that does make sense for him.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, I think that's what it was especially for Johnson who you know, reunites with Robert Salah in Tennessee. He is coming off so he, he ruptured his Achilles 10 in week two of 2024 season. This is a former first round pick by the way. Yeah, I don't think things have gone exactly how he expected it to. That injury was a huge part of that but gives him a chance to, you know he wanted to get out apparently Jermaine Johnson. The report is yeah, Jermaine Johnson wanted to get out from the jets, which don't blame join.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, like welcome to the party pal.

[Danny Kelly]

Get in line. But yeah and I think TV Sweat is interesting because I have always kind of liked him. I think he's huge, huge man, massive man, big guy. I think I. He was maybe my favorite comp of all time for my draft guide. I compared him to the ever given do you remember the ship that got stuck in the Suez?

[Danny Heifetz]

My favorite meme ever. The boat.

[Danny Kelly]

The little disrupted world trade for like a month or something.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The photos of the side Austin Powers like

[Danny Heifetz]

turn.

[Danny Kelly]

So anyways that's that guy. I'm glad we get to talk about him.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Great name too.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Tavontre Sweat.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh yeah. Tante Sweat.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So and I don't know he's. He's right now kind of a two down guy. Run stuff, run stuffer type of player. But there is I. He's a really good athlete for his size. So maybe there's some upside there if change of scenery could be good for him. But they both teams like still need everything basically. I was looking at the rosters like I don't think this really changes much in the draft. It was just simply player fit. Johnson wanted to get out of New York and I wouldn't read a lot into this in terms of like what that means for the draft.

[Danny Heifetz]

I agree. This is what happens. Coaches go somewhere and then they want players that they had in other places where they coached that they liked. And Robert Sall was the coach of the jets and he liked Jermaine Johnson and he wanted Jermaine Johnson. And so. And Tavancha Sweat probably didn't fit the Titans with what Robert Sal wants to do as much, and he just said at his press conference this week that it'll be hard for him to fit in and he'll try. But I totally agree with dk. I mean, it's interesting when the team with the number 2 pick in the drafts swaps to the number 4 pick in the draft. So I got distracted by whatever you. You just sent the text while we're on the. I did too. I was like, no way. And I opened the text.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm like, what I saying official 50440 for Caleb Banks. And I said, no way.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I just saw no way. And I was like, I didn't realize it was a joke response. Thanks.

[Danny Kelly]

Austin Craig texted and then looked at me like I was supposed to react to it or something.

[Danny Heifetz]

I also didn't know how to respond to that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sorry about that.

[Danny Heifetz]

No way.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Let me ask you how you respond to this. Anthony Richards. Yeah. Has requested a trade. Or it sounds like the team is open to trading him. That, you know, they've come to an agreement that his time is over in Indianapolis. Here in Indianapolis, and he'll be seeking a trade elsewhere. I feel like I don't have the reports. Are there actual official reports out there that Minnesota is interested in him? Because there was that, that video from a couple of years back with Kevin o', Connell, head coach of the Vikings, meeting with Anthony Richardson after a game. And he's in his ear and he's mic'd up, hugging him, hugging him. And you can hear him say, like, you're going to be in this league for a long time. You got a ton of talent. Like, keep your head up. Like you have what it takes.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like, I still believe in you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Totally.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, I would love to. First of all, Anthony Richardson, when he's playing well, is one of the most fun quarterbacks to watch in the NFL. I want him to be good so bad.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. He had one of the greatest throws we've ever seen.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Week one of the 2024 season. He threw like a 60 yard bomb. I think it was Alec Pierce or maybe eight. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Feet were on the logo and he slipped.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Step back. And it was a 60 yard dart to Alec Pierce. And it was the best throw I probably saw the entire season. And like, that was like in the first quarter of the game and by the second quarter I was like, oh, this guy stinks. But man, that first quarter was amazing

[Danny Kelly]

microcosm for his career thus far.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I would love to see what Kevin oconnell can do with him because he can kind of do no wrong with the quarterback position, I guess. But the problem is, is well, J.J. mcCarthy I understand but like, you know, what do in the past other than

[Danny Heifetz]

the last quarterback he drafted.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's been hurt. What can you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Richardson hasn't been hurt.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, wait, no, he can see now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He can see now.

[Danny Heifetz]

His eyes broke his orbital but then he had a vision problem. Now they're like, don't worry, he can see.

[Danny Kelly]

The report is yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So is Minnesota going to trade for Anthony Richardson and then have JG McCarthy and Anthony Richardson and then go have to find a third quarterback that could actually start the game?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm dubious of this because I did. Who is the last time an NFL team was trying to develop two first round picks at the same time? Reclamation projects while having a third guy started. Like the Panthers had Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield Field who were both top three picks in the same draft. But Darnold was playing. Yeah. And Baker was there.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Can you really have Kirk Cousins starting and While you're developing J.J. mcCarthy and Anthony Richardson, that's not enough practice time.

[Danny Kelly]

Honestly, one thing that does come to my my mind and I'm trying to remember the timeline on this, but I do believe at one point the 49ers had Trey Lance, Sam Darnold, maybe that was not when Darnold was there. And Brock Purdy. This might have been before Darnold, but

[Danny Heifetz]

at least Trey Lance like broke his leg and was recovering from an injury and like it was like he'd never played football.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah know what this means but there is already buzz at the combine here. Just like talking to people walking around the the hallways here that like the Vikings like him and want him and that's like a real thing. So I do think there's a strong chance this happens.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know I've been saying this for two years, but I really. The person who is most going to be like I'm going to buy the dip is Howie Roseman and the Eagles. I'm telling you, like Howie Roseman is price checking Anthony Richardson. I just, I just think that he makes so much sense to just sit on that team.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think, do you think it'll happen this week? Because the reason that this came out right now is because they're probably wanting to talk to everybody and get a Handshake deal in place at least because everybody's in the same spot. This is why this trade happened with Tantre Sweat. It's like these are where the deals happen in Indianapolis.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think I'd be surprised if Richardson got traded before, like Kyler Murray gets traded. I feel like. I feel like it happens to happen. A couple weeks, we'll see. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

So Minnesota's your favorite landing spot, I assume. Are there any. On the other. Are there any options that you can think of otherwise?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just want him to go somewhere where I trust that the coaching staff can actually develop him and do something right with him. I don't want a team to take a shot on him where I feel like even if he has a clear path to start, I don't have faith in their development program.

[Danny Kelly]

So not the Jets.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

But what about Cleveland? No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I want him to go somewhere cool with a coach that has a history of developing good quarterbacks. Send him the Niners. I don't care.

[Danny Kelly]

What about Stefanski and the Falcons? Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fan fiction.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Now I know that's what this is.

[Danny Kelly]

That's the only thing we do here. That's all we do here.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you think he has the highest upside of any quarterback that is not currently a starter in the NFL?

[Danny Heifetz]

Is Kyler starter? Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Carlos, is Malik Willis a starter? No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. I would say you can. You can involve him.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of think I. I would probably put Willis just slightly above because of what we've actually seen.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think he's higher upside.

[Danny Kelly]

Upside. Maybe not.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But higher degree of confidence that he's. What he's doing could be replicated.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ivan, you were early on that you think Donald has a shot camp, and obviously he's a completely different quarterback than Anthony Richardson does any part. What percentage of you thinks if he's in there, you're a big nurture versus nature guy. That if Anthony Richardson is in the right situation, it could work. What percentage of you?

[Danny Heifetz]

23.6%.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Nice school. Bill Simmons right there.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I think it's unlikely, but it's not impossible. I think that. I mean, just to be honest, one of the reasons they're giving up on him is that I think that there wasn't the demonstrated commitment to being a professional that I think they wanted. And, you know, it's. He didn't come up with like other quarterbacks where, you know, going to the camps when you're 14 and. And like learning going to Trent Dilfer's elite whatever camp at 15 and there's an advantage to that, that when you get to the NFL and being like, oh, like throwing with receivers after practice, all these little things, like studying all these things and like all this time of being a pro, he's like, he was like 21 when he came in. It was really young. And so I think that that has to be established first. But the NFL is better when Anthony Richardson's playing. So I want him to be a successful starter. That's why I kind of keep joking. But I'm like, I think the Eagles make sense because he doesn't have to play soon. And I think he needs to sit well.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And the thing that the Eagles have that Minnesota does not is that there's a quarterback ahead of him in Philly that you can model yourself after. Like, Jalen Hurts. Say what you will, like has great work ethic. And if he goes to JJ McCarthy who's just like way more junior and barely has barely played, he needs to be on a team with somebody who has a veteran quarterback.

[Danny Heifetz]

In a weird way, Anthony Richardson learning Jalen hurts. His work ethic, I think is exactly what he needs. Just sit there and just watch this man go about his business. And then frankly, way more talented than Jalen Hurts. But Jalen, it's like Jalen hurts is the hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I'm not saying Anthony Richards doesn't work hard, but I'm just saying, like, because a quarterback is, you're almost like running the team in a way. It's harder.

[Danny Kelly]

Speaking of that, the other team that I've heard in this discussion about Anthony Richardson is the Rams that's behind Stafford.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you mean it doesn't make sense to you? Sean McVeigh.

[Danny Kelly]

How dare you? How dare you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sick.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I feel like Sean McVeigh wants quarterbacks who can throw it to receivers.

[Danny Heifetz]

You want to hit him in the hands.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like Jared Goff wasn't good enough. He's like, I need, I need better arm talent. I need, I need a more accurate quarterback. Like Anthony Richardson can't throw the ball to put.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I, I don't think Anthony Richardson is going to be starting quarterback in the NFL next year. And I don't know if he will be.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just feel like if he goes to the Rams, the Rams are just become a completely different offense. And I feel like or McVeigh appreciates a quarterback who can be a genius and be an extension of McVeigh's brain, right? And, and like throw it to their talented wide receivers. Anthony Richardson that's not. I feel like the game plan you're kind of going for.

[Danny Heifetz]

Following up on the last conversation we had on the last episode to your point, about, like, oh, Sam Darnold was bad, and then he got benched and then he won the Super Bowl. Who's the next Darnold?

[Danny Kelly]

Whatever.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I don't think it's who's the next Darnold? Who's the next. But if you're asking the question, who's the next top five reclamation project quarterback that in the next scene, could do better, it is Kyler Murray. Like, what we were saying about Kyler Murray, Malik Willis, it's like, yeah, no one thinks about Arizona, but, like, Kyler Murray to me is like, for a fourth round pick or a third round pick, and you just pay him a big, like, take on that big, ugly contract. The odds of Kyler Murray succeeding at his Next stop are 10 times more than Anthony Richardson in the next two years.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And, yeah, for sure.

[Danny Kelly]

What I was just remembering yesterday, like, it's Kyler Murray.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What the are we talking about? Because we were like, who has a better chance of being good? Kyler Murray or Malik Willis?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm like, all right, but hence why I'm saying hater. But that's why I'm curious.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, sorry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't you feel like he has to get dealt last in the order? Like, I feel like Kyler gets dealt with and then, like, Will signs and then it's like, all right, yeah, Malik

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wills was really good when he played. He was, like, borderline perfect in the games he played, but he played three of them.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know. The last Richardson. Richardson's had, what, 21 games since seven years or whatever, But I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't feel confident about Kyler either. I don't. I think this is a terrible quarterback free agency market. Like, none of these are inspiring at all.

[Danny Heifetz]

Free agent quarterbacks are teams that saw a quarterback every day for five years, and we're like, we're good.

[Danny Kelly]

It's still wild to me that the Seahawks just signed Sam Darnold last year

[Danny Heifetz]

and no one else even wanted crazy. I'm one of the best free agent signings in any sport ever.

[Danny Kelly]

Probably. Yeah. And I. I mean, look, I was dubious about it a little bit, but it worked out.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You think so?

[Danny Kelly]

Jury's out.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Danny Heifetz]

We'll see. I mean, you gotta wait two or three years to check the main class going back to the Titans, jets trade for one second. I do think I agree with what you're saying because it's weird that the team with the second pick traded with the fourth pick. I don't think it affects anything. And they're both going to take the same positions anyway because the first pick is obviously going to be Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders. Second pick. I still think it's our Val Reese to the jets or at least some kind of defensive end. But maybe. Honestly, I just think they're like, no one's going to make fun of the jets if they take Carvel Reese. And I think Brick Johnson, the Woody Johnson's kid is going to be like Brick. And I just think they're going to take him. And then the Cardinals I think take like an offensive lineman at 3, probably Francis Marigoa. And then Titans are at 4 and they're still needed, they still need a pass rush. I know they just traded for Jermaine Johnson, but they had none and they need like six for Robert Sala. So like, I think this is to get one guy and then they drafted another edge rusher and then they have a starting defense. So I actually think even though the Titans just acquired a pass rusher that was the first round pick, they're still going to take a pass rusher fourth.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I think the Giants are actually the hardest team to figure out. Like that to me is when it starts being like, who do you want?

[Danny Kelly]

Who do you want? You want Caleb Downs?

[Danny Heifetz]

I want Caleb Downs. I kind of don't think they're going to take him solely because John Harbot some. I could find some effusive quote about Caleb Downs. I'm like, he would. He's too sharp and political to be singing the praises.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You'd think after the Kyle Hamilton thing they'd be like, this is kind of great having an awesome safety.

[Danny Heifetz]

I thought so too. But Harbaugh saying here, I could find it, but he just let me find the quote. Because I just read this and I'm like, he would never say this. Oh yeah, he said John Harbaugh taking Caleb Downs fifth overall would be just fine with me. He said, we favor hall of Fame safety. So if we have a chance to draft a potential future hall of Fame safety and Caleb Downs, that would be just fine with me. That's just not something Jaron harbor would have said in the last like 17 years about a player the Ravens actually wanted. I just think it's strange to, you know, you see that a lot with people with the first pick or the second pick. But I, I don't know, maybe he

[Danny Kelly]

just you know, you know who their new defensive coordinator is?

[Danny Heifetz]

Dinar Wilson.

[Danny Kelly]

What. What position did he play?

[Danny Heifetz]

Safety.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Also, I feel like it. It feels unlikely that any of the first four teams will take Caleb Downs. Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess that's true. Maybe they're confident he'll fold them. I will say the other. It's that or. I actually kind of think the funniest scenario would be the Giants taking Jeremiah Love. Like, well, we're quarterback. Everyone's, like, giving them a receiver. I'm like, the Giants are probably like, we need a running game. And it'd be funny if John Harbo's like, I want a running back. We're go to Jeremiah Love. It would be sick. And then it would be like, not so sick. Yeah. But anyway, that's kind of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We'll see.

[Danny Heifetz]

We'll just take a tackle.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Do you have a favorite one right now? Do you have a favorite tackle right now out of all this group?

[Danny Heifetz]

Because, you know, it's fine. I think Francis might go. I think he's bigger, and he's going to go to the Cardinals. And I just think that he's like a run blocker and like Michael flirt. Little baby LaFleur is going to need that. And it's just such an easy, like, right tackle. You have a left tackle. Paris Johnson Jr. The Cardinals just take a right tackle.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're saying MAU yoga.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I just. Bigger. He's like a more established run block. He's got the size. Spencer Fano, I think has little baby hands for a tackle. And they're going to be like, oh, you get to take him third. And they just think the Giants will be able to get Spencer Fano out of Utah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Can't go wrong taking a tackle. I would never be upset with the tackle.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, the Giants took Evan with that.

[Danny Kelly]

You can go wrong, but you can. You can respect the decision.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Giants literally took Evan Neal over Kyle Hamilton.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I know, but in the moment, were you upset?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, but I was wrong.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, but I'm saying you're not going to be upset taking a tackle. You can be upset in the moment if they take a running back.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, well, yeah, but the irony is processed over results.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, It's. Sometimes the results of a process is kind of cool.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like, if you take Carnell Tate, you're going to be pissed.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Because here's why everyone gave. And I just didn't like the idea that the Giants will take a receiver fifth, which I think was like, a consensus opinion for, like, a month. There's never been a number two receiver taken on a team with the top five pick in the NFL. Like the idea that Cardinal Tate would be drafted above Malik Neighbors and then play behind him. Like the team doesn't need to spend a top 10 pick on a receiver.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, like, and it's like he's Jamar

[Danny Heifetz]

Chase, you know, easy it is to find a great receiver in the second. T. Higgins, who's probably the best number two receiving the NFL, was the 33rd pick in the draft, like you can find. So I just, I would rather get your meat and potatoes or whatever or just a special player. Club downs. Anyway, speaking of which, though, I want to talk about the measurements.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. Today, Thursday we got some measurements for a lot of guys. The one on everyone's mind, Ruben Bane.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

T. Rex. Ruben.

[Danny Heifetz]

We talked about this on Friday and then put it up on Monday's show. Kind of nailed it. I actually was too generous. I said that Reuben Bain had a chance at 31 inch arms, which would put him in the second percentile. I was wrong. He is 30 inch and then seven eighths of an inch under 31 inches.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So he's in the first percentile of players, which is confusing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So what was he expected to come in around 31 inches.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So he basically did.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Which is, I think, bigger discussion of like how we react to the combine. A lot of people say, don't double count it. So it's like, for instance, Jeremiah Love is going to run this week and he's probably going to run super fast and then everyone's going to their pants.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's like, did you not watch him all.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you know he was fast?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

What are we talking about?

[Danny Heifetz]

When he broke the thing, you're like, well, yeah, he's fast.

[Danny Kelly]

So crazy. Like, yeah, he's in the 31st percentile. Maybe someone, maybe some people were holding out hope his arms would be like 34 inches or something. I don't know what it was. But the point is, we all knew this was coming. It's now confirmed that he has short arms and people are acting like it's this huge deal, which it might be, but it's not a new piece of information.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Right. You know what I mean? He is a big outlier physically.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

In this regard. Yes. Usually with those guys, you usually get a little bit of a discount in the draft, but with him, I feel like you're not really getting one. So he's gonna go in the top

[Danny Heifetz]

10 or 15 if he had 3 inches, if his arms were longer, I Think that he'd probably go higher, but.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But like, do you think he'll go in like the top 10? 15 ish. Probably in the first round?

[Danny Kelly]

I would probably bet like if the over under was 15, that would be where I'd probably set like the over under like 15. Because I think there are going to be some teams that just don't have them on their board or, or push them way down because the lack of the hinge settings.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's six feet tall and then you have 32.

[Danny Kelly]

They have these established parameters and, and benchmarks that they want their players to meet, especially in the top 15 picks.

[Craig Krolbeck]

When do you think he becomes a value and there's enough of a discount to take a chance on this outlier where you're like, yeah, it's worth it. Like, I mean, the eighth pick, are you like, that's a little early for me. But when does it start to become

[Danny Kelly]

like, yeah, I mean, right around there. Honestly, I've got it. I got it ranked like fifth or something.

[Danny Heifetz]

So commanders at seven. I kind of. They have no talent in this.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But that's not even. That's not really a discount. Like, you're just taking this guy at seven.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he's the third edge rusher in the draft. That's the thing. Because you're probably an Arville Reese to the jets. And I think the Titans are going to take David Bailey from Texas Tech. So it's more like he'd be the third pass rusher taken.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But we were talking about hindsight is 20, 20 like three years from now, are we going to look back and be like, oh man, this guy who's in the first percentile of arm length, taking him seventh overall. That's bad process.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think process wise it might be.

[Danny Heifetz]

You don't want to bet on outliers. But also he. Someone posted. I forget. I'm sorry, I don't. Who said this? Someone took a picture of Ruben Bane and they're like, this guy didn't even get a haircut for the combine. Do you know how locked in you have to be to be a player that doesn't fucking haircut for the NFL combine? He was like, this guy is obsessed with football.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you schedule your haircuts around major, like, moments in your. In your year?

[Danny Heifetz]

Sometimes I think the first time I ever did that in my life was actually my brother's wedding where I was like, oh, I guess I actually have to do this now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like before going to the Super Bowl. Would you be like, I'm gonna get A haircut the week before.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, probably. Like, if we have a live show.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think I do, too.

[Danny Kelly]

I have a lot to say about this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, he case with me. Why dk?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. You guys want to keep talking about haircuts? I miss her. I miss getting haircuts.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You have hats that you consider more formal?

[Danny Kelly]

Not really. I need to get another one of those, like, flat caps. So it's like a little. Little dressier. You know, like the ones in Ireland. Yeah, yeah. But that one has like a bar's name on the side.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm like.

[Danny Kelly]

Or it says something like Bailey's Whiskey or something on the side. I'm like, that's not.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, yeah, right. Pause in coffee or something.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I'm like, that's not super fancy.

[Danny Heifetz]

You could rock. You rock the flat cap, the peaky.

[Danny Kelly]

Should I. Should I do that?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

When's your birthday?

[Danny Kelly]

October.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think you should come out and do a live show with the hats that you put the beer in with the tube.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, actually, I'm into that idea.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. We should. Oh, we're not recording again this week.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

We'll figure it out. That's good.

[Danny Kelly]

What were we talking about, though? Oh, yeah. So Ruben Bane. Oh, this reminds me a little bit a different position, but it reminds me of last year with Will Campbell. Obviously, we talked about him a lot, but Mason Graham also did not have super long arm. He, like his length was not a big advantage for him or whatever. And it was kind of a concern the way how high he went in the draft. I think some people were kind of worried about that. And so, yes, I think what your question is, like, if you look back on this, the obvious answer is going to be that was bad process and he was any. And Reuben Bain ends up being not very good.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Because it's your philosophy generally avoid outliers this early in the draft.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because also because if you're wrong, you look dumb.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Of course.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cassius Howell, Texas A and M has. For a pass rusher, he is 30 inch arms, 30 and a quarter inch, which is the 0th.

[Danny Kelly]

He's a massive.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the shortest measured arm length among edge defenders since 1999.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So generally, like, this is considered somewhat of a weaker class. So when you look at Reuben Bain with his arm length, how much of an outlier he is? Is he good enough for you to take a risk on something like that to you? Like where. Where is he on. On the larger scale of outliers that you're willing to throw a dart at? Like, where does he rank?

[Danny Kelly]

He would rank pretty high on my willingness to throw a dart on him. Really? Yeah, because his production is out of the. Out of this world.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He jumps off the screen when you watch it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. 100.

[Danny Heifetz]

Every game is about him. And that's the thing. It's like, if the. To answer your question, if the Titans and Robert Sala wanted take him at fourth in the draft over David Bailey in Texas Tech, I have no problem with that. He's. He's. He's a monster. And I think. And we talk about this later with Mention and Todd as well, but it's easier for defenders, I think, to overcome this than offensive tackles.

[Danny Kelly]

It's probably just like, yeah, there's more ways you can mitigate that disadvantage or whatever you want to call it, because he's. He's explosive. He's really, really powerful. He plays really hard. He's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He plays, like every snap, right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's. He's really good against the run. He's really good against, you know, as a pass rusher. There's some people that think he can move inside. Like, he has that potential versatility to play inside, too. I think he could give guards a lot of trouble in, you know, obvious passing situations where they kind of move him all over the front of the formation.

[Craig Krolbeck]

As a more casual college football fan, I feel like it's much more rare when a defensive player just jumps off the screen. And yet every time I watched Miami, you. You. He immediately stood out. It was hard not to notice.

[Danny Kelly]

No, he's everywhere.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it's Trick. I. I think. I think Reuben Bain's gonna be awesome. And I.

[Danny Kelly]

So high. Fitz, hypothetical again. Sorry, I know we keep bringing up the Giants. If. If Bailey and Ruben Bane are there for you, for the Giants, do you. Who do you like more?

[Danny Heifetz]

If Bailey. David Bailey and Ruben Ban were there? Oh, I actually have not thought about that for the Giants purposes. It's weird.

[Danny Kelly]

Different styles. So Bailey is more. Bailey. I think. I think he measured out at 6, 3, 6 4, 251 today or something like that. So he's like, more your standard size for an edge defender.

[Danny Heifetz]

I gotta tell you, if Reuben Bane had to kick in and be like a. It's funny because the. The thing we don't talk about is there's also, like, a move to guard it on the defensive line.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Heifetz]

You're like, oh, like freaking, you know, five Tech or three Tech or whatever.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You love.

[Danny Kelly]

You love interior defenders. They set the. The set the tone.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I kind of think Reuben Vane would kind of work with the Giants in a weird way. I, I, I, it's weird to stat

[Danny Kelly]

lining him up next to Dexter Lawrence

[Danny Heifetz]

because there's also people like will you the players there. Because best player available is a lie, by the way. We always say best player available. It doesn't exist because if we. No one actually, it doesn't actually happen as much as you think. But I, I just get a good player first. I think Ruben Bane's gonna be awesome.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know what always has bothered me is the terminology of saying, like, the first percentile versus the 99th percentile. That, that doesn't make sense in my brain because. So if you're a 99th percentile athlete, that means you're a freak. That's a positive thing. However. So if you're in the first percentile, that's bad. Reuben Bain is in the first percentile of arm length bad. Yet if you're very rich, 1%, meaning you are the in the 1%. Most wealthy people in the world. Good. Yeah, it's confusing.

[Danny Kelly]

One, the 1% versus the first percentile.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. That's dumb to me.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why don't we even call percentage?

[Craig Krolbeck]

To me, it would make sense to be like, if somebody was a freak athlete, I'm like, they're in the top 1%.

[Danny Heifetz]

You're right. We should just say they're. You said you wanted to be in the top 1%.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, they're in the top 2%, top 3%.

[Danny Heifetz]

So down with percentiles.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But that's when somebody says they're a 93rd percentile athlete. Like, that doesn't register. I don't know what that means. But if somebody says, oh, you're the,

[Danny Heifetz]

you're in the world, they're better than 93 of people.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I see that.

[Danny Kelly]

That doesn't, I think 93 sounds cooler than you're in the seventh. You're in the top 7%.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know why? It's because 7%'s bad. If I'm just like, oh, do you want, like, you know, can I have 90 of your water? Or whatever.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But doesn't the financial comparison make sense to you?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes, you're in the top. You're in the 3%. Like, to me, that's like, oh, wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's what's confused you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's just the 1% thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Of course. Totally. But I think that model makes more sense in my brain.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, math is hard. Math is dumb. Cash is house. In the 0th percent 0. Saying that's insane.

[Craig Krolbeck]

0.

[Danny Heifetz]

It just says dead.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Last 100 of people are better than him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, you say he's in the one. You said 100%.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I agree. Percentiles are weird.

[Danny Kelly]

So Bane obviously is the big one.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That didn't land as hard. I thought I would convince one of you, but it's hard. No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, here's the thing. What's the replacement? This is why the nerds lose is that we have to get caught. They're like, saying this stuff, and I'm like, I didn't even track you on the. I don't even know what 93 percentile means.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Someone's like, yo, he's in the 82nd percentile. I'm like, so that. Is that good or bad?

[Danny Heifetz]

I know what you're saying, though, because if you just casually were talking to, like, your mom, you're like, yeah, this guy's arms are in the first percentile. She's like, oh, wow, they must be really long.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Exactly.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, no.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like, yeah, you're saying first you're like, oh, that means good. Usually a smaller percentage means you are elite. You know what I mean?

[Danny Heifetz]

Can I give you my rant?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

The arm length thing. This is sometimes when I actually have a beef with the NFL or something. Or like, why do you do it this way? And then you actually. If you ever talk to people in the league or teams, whatever, the answer is usually, yeah, we thought of that. You're not that smart. Like, there's a reason. Do you know what the. The thing is that I don't think that they actually just do it wrong.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is our length the way they measure it.

[Danny Heifetz]

The way they measure it. We do this later. We do this later with Todd and Mensch. They literally measure the arm length for, like, for a receiver, if you want to measure how long. Because a cornerback. A receiver. A cornerback can tip a pass with the tip of his fingers. So they go from your shoulder to the tip of your middle finger, which makes sense. But it's the same process for Reuben Bane where they do it with the tip of his middle finger or an offensive tackle. But think about it. Do I block you with the tip of my middle finger? No, I block you with my. At the hinge of my wrist. And they literally. So in theory.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which I'm sure we can find an example of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This hand size distorts arm length.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So there's a theory where if Reuben Bane had the little baby hands from Always Sunny in Philadelphia, like, little tiny hands in Theory, the hinge of his wrist could be further out than a player.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He could have really long fingers.

[Danny Heifetz]

He could have. But a player with big fingers and

[Craig Krolbeck]

it completely changes your arm length seems insane.

[Danny Heifetz]

But think about how many players who talk.

[Danny Kelly]

Imagine if he had, like, really, really, really short fingers, and that put took him from, like, like, 98th percent out at first. It doesn't matter.

[Danny Heifetz]

Now think about how much we talk about this with tackles. And they're like, oh, my God, 32 and a half. It's not even 32.68 or whatever. And it's. They care so much about the tenth of an inch.

[Danny Kelly]

The percentiles, too, are. It's not that big of a difference from 98 to first or whatever in terms of, like, if we're actually talking about a couple of inches, it's like, not that much.

[Danny Heifetz]

Here's what bothers me about this. I know you're probably. People are probably listening to this, like, losing their minds. I know people are probably losing this and losing their minds. But the thing is, I can't tell you how much teams and scouts and they, they care about this. It actually is like the hinge thing of the. It just gives them the ick. And the head coach is like, nope, I got told 30 years ago that I'm not supposed to take anyone.

[Danny Kelly]

Some teams care. Some teams don't care as much. I think.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't believe they don't measure to your. I don't know. Whatever. I can't.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You should stand up against a wall, back up against a flat wall.

[Danny Heifetz]

And yes, and they don't.

[Danny Kelly]

But it's just standardization, I think, is the main thing. But if they could standardize it per position, that would make sense.

[Danny Heifetz]

But here's the thing. I understand you have to capture the historical data. So just start adding more data. Start, like, collecting.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It could be an additional measurement.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You can still do the old school

[Danny Kelly]

way and then the hinge and not do this.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I agree.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, it just, I feel like I'm going crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

You go talk to some people.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, I, I know I'm right about this. It's insane that we tied the Will Campbell discourse. And we're sitting here and we even the hands for quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett's hands are nine inches from his thumb to his pinky. What about from his other thing to his middle finger? Like, that's also how you hold a football.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Bottom of the palm to the top of the middle.

[Danny Heifetz]

That doesn't make any sense either.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We learned, Shane Mench, that I have no stretch from. From bottom to top. They're big. Left to right. I got no stretch.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, the way they measure these, your

[Danny Kelly]

hands are like a rectangle in the wrong way.

[Danny Heifetz]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, you rotate.

[Danny Heifetz]

We need hand turkeys.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Very good.

[Danny Heifetz]

We need them to do a hand turkey Thanksgiving. Like, I want to see overall, like, circumference.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Surface area.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I like that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Actually, the turkey thing.

[Danny Kelly]

I was going to say something else. Get me on that. Hold on. Before we move on from hand side.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

There's something very important here. First of all, Cassius Howell, actually shorter. He's an edge rusher from Texas A. M. He's very explosive. I like him a lot. But as long as we're talking about Reuben Bane, Cassius Howell actually has shorter arms than Reuben Bain.

[Danny Heifetz]

Zero percentile.

[Danny Kelly]

So that could affect his draft stock. But the other one I wanted to bring up is I knew I might need to change one of my 100 percentile.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, he's the 0th percentile.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So it goes from 99 to 0.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, what are you doing?

[Danny Kelly]

No, he's 00.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's dead last.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, 100%. I would be like, he has the longest, longest arms of all time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Victor Wembanyama is 100.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyways, I. I might need to confuse.

[Danny Heifetz]

That means enough people listening confused, which means we. Oh, wait, can I confuse more? Can we talk about how they do height? I'm sorry. I'm so mad at the NFL. Do you know how they measure these people?

[Danny Kelly]

He gets very worked up.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is the dumbest thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's not enough oxygen in him. Sometimes he like. You can feel his voice training.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Peter woods, the defensive tackle from

[Danny Kelly]

Clemson, I couldn't possibly get this worked up about.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you know how they list height in the NFL? His height is 6024. Do you want to explain what that means? 6024.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Six.

[Danny Kelly]

Two and six foot. Two and four eighths.

[Danny Heifetz]

Four eighths of an inch.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So he's six. Two and a half. And they write that as 6024. What the is with these people?

[Danny Kelly]

It's just precision.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, that does suck.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's. So it's 6024.

[Danny Kelly]

Tradition. Really.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Anyway, it should be like six, whatever. Apostrophe two, the quote. And then it's like. And then. And four eights.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like, you know what?

[Danny Heifetz]

Four aces.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Half.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I feel like it was easier to enter this into a spreadsheet. So they're like, we're just gonna do that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it's definitely just shorthand. It's quick.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes, it's quick. I'm just saying these are the same

[Danny Kelly]

people who like writing. It's like when you're writing a check and you write the number and then you have to spell it out.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm just saying they care about the eighth of an inch, but they can't bend the hand anyway. I'll stop talking. Can I.

[Danny Kelly]

Can I talk? Talk about what? I was go say. So for the first time ever, short.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Short arms.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I wanted to mention him, but for the first time ever, I might be taking one of my comps and changing it to a different player. So sick. Peter Woods, Clemson. Nothing against him, but he also has very short arms.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

And I want to change my shy hallud desert sand worm from Arrakis. The Dune movies. I want to change it to Caleb Banks from Florida because this man is.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's built, so there's like a shy elude belt.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Caleb Banks is the biggest man in this draft.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

Six foot six, 327 pounds. And here we're gonna get into percentiles.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Six foot six, six foot six.

[Danny Kelly]

So this. These are percentiles. Six, two. Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

How many people that he's.

[Danny Kelly]

So he's over six.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Six foot six and a quarter.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six foot six and two eight.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Six foot two eight. Just say a quarter.

[Danny Kelly]

So he's from Florida. These are the percentiles for his height, weight, and from four defensive tackles. Six foot six, 98th percentile. 300 and 327 pounds. 89th percentile. 10 and seven eighth inch hands, which is 94th percentile. So just 98th. 89th. 94th is, I guess 35 inch arms. 94th percentile. 85 and three quarter inch wing, which is a hundredth percentile. Biggest of any defensive tackle since 1999.

[Danny Heifetz]

So it's like he goes in for a bear hug.

[Danny Kelly]

Technically, if we were getting really deep into these comps, shy hulud doesn't have arms, so the. The length probably doesn't matter. Right. So maybe I shouldn't change this, but I'm just. I want to give the Shia lewd comp. It's like the biggest, fastest, craziest athlete in the draft, and that might be Caleb Banks.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you guys know who has the largest hands in NFL history?

[Danny Heifetz]

Troy Aikman.

[Danny Kelly]

Richardson's up there, isn't he?

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's not on this list I'm looking at.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do your wives ever notice how big an NFL quarterback's hands are? The announcers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's like Liz ain't watching football. It's like, it's like, it's like the female version of like. I'm up here, guys. I'm up here.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Look me in the eyes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Big meaty paws, the largest hands. Mo Ali Cox.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, the largest man in the world. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you know how big?

[Danny Kelly]

11 and a half.

[Craig Krolbeck]

11.75. Which are bigger than Kawhi Leonards. Which are 11.5. 11 and a quarter.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kawaii.

[Danny Kelly]

I always love Mo Ali Cox. He was a basketball player.

[Danny Heifetz]

Vcu.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Anyway, what are some other measurements that jumped out to you today? Anything pique your interest?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, we haven't seen a ton yet. I think Caleb Banks was kind of like the buzziest one from today. He. He jumped 32 inches at.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

327 pounds with an 85 inch or, sorry, almost 86 inch wingspan. He dropped. He jumped 32 inches in the vertical, which is 81st percentile. That's just among defensive tackles. That's not from for guys. His weight. And then a 9, 6 broad jump, which is 96 percentile. This guy has huge. I mean, he's huge. He looked in, in terms of like his body composition. He was. He looked more like a power forward than I was expecting. I was kind of expecting like a big.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's a little leaner, right?

[Danny Kelly]

Exactly. So there's a lot of excitement around this, I think.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is he gonna go?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, he's a complicated one because he was injured for most of this last season. Dude, 2025, he had a foot injury. But these numbers I think are going to put that. The concerns over that injury maybe a little bit behind him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Austin just texted us. Caleb Banks's vert is the same vert as Bronnie James. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

That's from Underdog. That's hilarious.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Shout out. Underdog. That is unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean it just, it is crazy. The athleticism. It does jump off on 210.

[Danny Heifetz]

Caleb Banks is 327 and then six feet tall. That's crazy. Bronnie's six one, maybe six four. No, no, that's a lie.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, he's definitely like six foot six one, six two.

[Danny Heifetz]

Which is also probably a lie. Yeah. Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

So anyway, he couldn't. Caleb Banks could go in the first round. I think he is a, like I said, is a little complicated because he barely played this last season and it was an injury related thing. So teams are obviously going to be a little bit worried about that. But you know, late first, early second, this, this the way he tested today. And I'M guessing the way that he's interviewing and all that will make. Make a difference.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The whole. The whole my world is. Adam Schefter just posted. Quoting Schefter, Some context on measurements taken throughout the week of the combine. Measurements sometimes vary for players, depending on who measures them. To that end, at least two NFL teams measured Reuben Bain Jr's arms north of 32 inches.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you serious?

[Danny Heifetz]

Someone had him under 31. Someone had him over 32.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, we had this debate with McShay and Todd. It's like, how do you even fucking measure?

[Danny Heifetz]

Where's the meat of my shoulder?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Where does it start? On the shoulder?

[Danny Heifetz]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Here. This.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is the dumbest.

[Danny Kelly]

This is pointless. What are we doing?

[Danny Heifetz]

Come here.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Agent being like, hey, hey. Can you let them know that there were two teams and put him at.

[Danny Kelly]

Depends where you start the measurement.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes, I decided with the base. This is. This D. Lois, I. You know what? We. Let's. We should move. This is the dumbest thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It is the dumbest thing. Although maybe it's not because the Will Campbell thing maybe ended up mattering, but I think it's more important for T.

[Danny Heifetz]

I still am upset by. Because it. The thing no one mentions with the Will Campbell thing. He was a rookie who came off injured reserve and then sucked. He had a knee injury. He missed five weeks of the knee injury, and then he sucked coming back. And everyone's like, it's his arms. I'm like, maybe it was his leg. Anyway, let's get to the real news of the day here. What should wait before. So, Caleb Banks, Florida, rising.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yep.

[Danny Heifetz]

T. Rex, guys falling, except Ruben.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Bang.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, Ruben Bane riser, now over 32.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Split the difference. Called 31.

[Danny Kelly]

He's levitating.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

They say you should learn something new every day. Like how you should only drink Jagermeister at 0 degrees Fahrenheit, ice cold, like those frozen cavemen they find. Which makes you wonder, what would a caveman think of Jagermeister? Well, if you served it warm, he'd probably throw it in your face, say, unga bunga, and storm off. And nobody wants that, so drink it cold or not at all. Jagermeister. Damn, that's cold. Drink responsibly. Jagermeister liqueur, 35% alcohol by volume, imported by Mass. Jagermeister, U.S. white Plains, N.Y. so good,

[Craig Krolbeck]

so good, so good.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

How did I not know rack has Adidas?

[Danny Heifetz]

Cause there's always something new. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts. Shop new arrivals first and more. Plus buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. Okay, the NFLPA survey, which every year is frankly the most fun part of

[Danny Kelly]

the whole week, which is Streisand defect of the. Of the week where the NFL is trying to bury this account. In fact, they did get it buried.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This was leaked.

[Danny Heifetz]

You want to explain what happened? You want me to.

[Danny Kelly]

So yeah, sorry I just totally interrupted you here but basically the NFLPA has run this survey with like thousands, a couple thousand players across the league every year. And the questions range from, you know, how the ownership is willing to invest in the facilities, the food at the facility, the weight, the weight room and their trainers and things like that. What else am I forgetting?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Field conditions. Yeah, there's a million things.

[Danny Kelly]

Everything, right. Basically everything. They're trying to get a good measure of what organizations are the best essentially which. Which organizations take care of the players the most.

[Danny Heifetz]

Daycare at game day, like everything. Family treatment, everything.

[Danny Kelly]

So like over the last couple of years, if you average it out, they, the. The Cardinals have been the last place team. They've been the worst. They just. The owner doesn't give a shit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Washington with dance that it was last and then it was Arizona and then.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, strangely enough. And I would never have guessed this. I don't think just if I had no a knowledge of what they were doing. The Dolphins are the gold standard of the NFL which I just, I never

[Craig Krolbeck]

would have thought that because Minnesota's been up there for a while and Minnesota was second this year. But yeah, Miami. I agree. I would, I wouldn't because I mean

[Danny Kelly]

they're like, they like living in warm tropical area.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I also equate this with teams that are good. I just assume the teams that are have higher grades.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Chiefs. But the Chiefs training room and everything was horrific.

[Danny Kelly]

Got bad grades and that's a good segue for who's in last place this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was going to say so also. Shout out. Kayin Collard, ESPN Long story short, the NFL won an arbitration that they made the NFLPA not able to publish these this year. So they can collect them. They just can't publish them because they basically have an NFL.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like obviously that's going to leak.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Kayin car at ESPN did the Lord's work here and published him anyway. So shout out to Kaylin.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And who wants to read? Who wants the honor of reading? I. I'll gladly do it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Suppose I should do it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Craig, why don't you just read some select choices I have here from Kaylin's last.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Steelers are dead last. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

In fact, wait, sorry, there's a headline right here.

[Danny Kelly]

This is another thing that I do.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Rank first Steelers worst in NFL PA survey. It's so some quotes. Art Rooney, the owner, ranks last in the league for willingness to invest in facilities, a trend reflected in the Steelers poor facility ratings across the board.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the kind of thing like, oh yeah, your grandfather is rumored to have bought the team by winning 500 at a horse race.

[Craig Krolbeck]

In 1922, Steelers had the lowest rated home field in the league by a wide margin. That was a new category this year. Their locker room was graded an F. The players reported that quote, the locker room only has five bathroom stalls for the entire team.

[Danny Kelly]

This is. That is wild.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that's the craziest thing I've ever heard in 10 years.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. This to me is insane.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That is less than half of the bathrooms in Russell Wilson's home in Denver.

[Danny Heifetz]

Russell Wilson's house had 12.

[Danny Kelly]

The bathrooms per capita are just absolutely atrocious.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're gonna have players like we're talking at a minimum one stall for 10 guys.

[Danny Heifetz]

Russell Wilson. And they're all in the same. Or they're all in the locker room at the same time though. It's not like a normal thing. Russell Wilson's house had four bedrooms, 12 bathrooms. The Steelers have 55 guys in the team. Plus during locker room, it's 90 men. 90 man roster. Coaches, trainers.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Five stalls, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

And that. Yeah, the 90 man roster doesn't even count all the other people that are in the organization.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you guys know how much these guys achieve feet? Have you ever seen plates at an NFL facility? They're huge.

[Danny Kelly]

This is, this is the craziest thing I think I've ever heard. Five stalls for an entire NFL team

[Danny Heifetz]

and you know one then doesn't work. Think about damage.

[Danny Kelly]

Think about the damage those things are going through.

[Danny Heifetz]

If these girls could talk.

[Danny Kelly]

You know how like stuff gets weathered when it's in salt water air. Like this is like that times a hundred. Think about the damage these things go through.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This, this continues My, my point about the Steelers. Just like this institutional arrogance that they have where it's like they're fake.

[Danny Kelly]

They're fake blue blood.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

They're not Arrogant. They're broke. It's like the money.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. But it's like this non flashy thing that's like been baked into their blood of like, blue collar hardcore. And it's like baked into the actual facilities and the. Everything that's going on with the team here.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, his father was good.

[Danny Kelly]

If it was good enough for my granddaddy. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. It's ridiculous. And they're refusing to acknowledge it. They're just like, burying their head.

[Danny Kelly]

They're not. They're like, we're not putting in more toilets. I can't believe this. Five stalls.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, God.

[Danny Heifetz]

You guys know how much these like a bad.

[Danny Kelly]

That's like illegal at a concert, dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it's a fire hazard, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Russell Wilson's house having more than double the bathrooms that the Steelers entire.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Not only that, the Steelers. The Steelers strength coaches ranked last in the NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

The.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is that. That's like. What do you think about when you think of the Steelers? You just have like, strength because everyone's

[Danny Heifetz]

themselves while they're working.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you think of when you think of steel?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. You have nowhere to. And the strength coaches suck, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

The training staff ranks first and the strength coaches. Wait, first strength coaches because the strength

[Craig Krolbeck]

coaches are so bad. These guys get hurt all the time. And the training staff has to, you know, repair them.

[Danny Kelly]

I can't believe this. I can't believe this.

[Craig Krolbeck]

None of these guys are strong, so they get hurt. And the training stuff got really good because they have a lot to do.

[Danny Kelly]

Remember how we were talking? Remember how we were talking? Jared Goff is really bad on the road because he doesn't have anywhere good to.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Think about, I mean, the stress that this would cause someone who is a little bit of a shy pooper. When you're going. You're going into work every day.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How many bathrooms you think the visiting locker room has? 2.

[Danny Heifetz]

They have to share with you. They have to walk through the Steelers one. It's just in there. I can't.

[Danny Kelly]

How many times a day are they cleaning this thing?

[Danny Heifetz]

That's a great question.

[Danny Kelly]

Four to five times a day.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Them? Zero.

[Danny Heifetz]

God, that's a great question too, because, like, dude, we don't have to get too gnarly here, but, like, we can't stress enough. These things are getting blown.

[Danny Kelly]

Have you. Have you guys ever. You guys ever seen train spotting?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

The worst. The worst toilet in Scotland.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Unless we get sucked into it or whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Heifetz]

I've heard.

[Danny Kelly]

Just Google the worst toilet in Scotland.

[Danny Heifetz]

Should I actually do that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Brutal.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. Do it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

About a group of guys who do heroin in Scotland.

[Danny Heifetz]

1.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know if it's word to

[Danny Heifetz]

images or have to watch the scene.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, you just watch him entering the stall because he really has to. And he goes into the grossest stall in human history.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And has to make a decision.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, God. You looking at it, it's like there's a lot of debris everywhere on the floors.

[Danny Heifetz]

Tell me what.

[Danny Kelly]

Leaking walls.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, keep going on.

[Danny Kelly]

He's actually watching.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh. Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It is the grossest.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh. Oh, no.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's no lid.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, no.

[Craig Krolbeck]

To sit on the rim.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no. You. You just got to squat. You can't.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, you just. I go out in the woods or something at that point. You're not going in there.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's like. He's like, dry heaving, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

No wonder George Picket wanted to leave anyway.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, God, I can't even watch that. But this just.

[Danny Kelly]

This is. How many billions do they make every year? Sorry, my voice cracked. I was so upset.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is like six.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This just adds to the one. The idea that the Steelers are just, like the most apathetic team in the league.

[Danny Kelly]

At first, I. I admit I kind of felt like you're being a little whiny about the Steelers. This to me. This to me was like, okay, I'm actually on Craig's side now. Dead last in the NFL.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's just. There's just nothing there. Now.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is why the owners hate these surveys, too, because they actually have to do stuff.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And this is why the NFLP is not going to give it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What was it Arizona or Cincinnati that made their players pay for the. On the vending machines.

[Danny Heifetz]

Arizona. No, no, no lunch. Arizona made players pay for box lunches, which, again, nutrition pro athletes. It's like, easiest ROI you got is like, they should not eat. And they would if they took box lunches. Arizona deducted the cost of the lunch from their patrons.

[Danny Kelly]

Not even. They deducted it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, I can't even.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, that's so cheap.

[Danny Heifetz]

So. But there's the thing, like, the NFL, like, the owners do. The owners hate that this comes out, and they're just like, we have an agreement. I'll just shit on each other.

[Craig Krolbeck]

All the usual suspects of the owners were the ones who came out in opposition to this. It's like all the people you would expect. It was Woody Johnson's piss. Art Rooney, Robert Kraft, Michael Bidwell from Arizona, David Tepper of the Cardinals. Those are all the guys being like, this is bogus. We hate this. I wonder why.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I do think that the Steelers have a lot in common with the Yankees, with the Lakers and with the Giants, where you have these swashbuckling titans of industry who made their money themselves. And then they come in and then the kids to get the team. But they didn't have, like, they didn't have to make them.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And so just you gotta spend money to make money. And the kids who inherited it, they're less willing to take risks and take chances because they didn't have to to get to the point where they are in their life. This is my read on it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's Jerry Buss did crazy to get the Lakers. Jerry Jones crazy risk. And like, you don't want to take the risk. The Yankees. It's all the same thing. And so I think that's the thing is. Yeah, it's, it's scary to spend the money when you didn't make the money.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You just sit on your hands.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And you collect your check every year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, because there's no lid on the toilet.

[Danny Kelly]

Squat. You can't even sit on your hands.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is it. Please email us if you have any additional context on the five stalls. If anyone's like a.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we get a picture? Not in it, but I want to, I want to see, I want to see the facility.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Only five stalls.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude. I, I, we should move on.

[Danny Kelly]

But I feel like that's five stalls for an entire team. That's got to be one of the worst.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The bathroom in the, in the restaurant that we are sitting next to right now has five stalls.

[Danny Kelly]

I know this is what I was going to get. That's like, it's got to be one of the worst ratios I've ever heard of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I was saying minimum. This is one stall per 10 guys.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't stress enough.

[Craig Krolbeck]

20, really. During certain parts of the season.

[Danny Heifetz]

But the thing is, they all are on the same schedule. Like, they're all eating at the same time and they're all available to getting changed at the same time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is there a shit line in the morning?

[Danny Heifetz]

I need to know. There has to be.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Or is there an understanding? Like, hey, you got to go at home before you come in. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But then they're home all day. Sometimes it's unpredictable, man. Especially when they're feeding them like that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Maybe, maybe this is a sign that these guys got to be regular so that they get out. They go at home. They don't have to go at the facility.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's just unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like people who don't want to poop when they're camping, like me. I don't want to do. I'm not trying to do, like, woods poops. They're just holding it in for how many. I don't know how many days these. Steal it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pooping.

[Danny Kelly]

Not. I mean, not very often. Have you ever taken woods poop?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Once.

[Danny Kelly]

How was it?

[Danny Heifetz]

Awful? Worse.

[Danny Kelly]

Some people. Some people. Some people swear by it.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was fishing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What do you mean? You were in the water or you were in the woods?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, in the woods. I was fishing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And how did you wipe?

[Danny Heifetz]

Had paper towels.

[Danny Kelly]

This is the question we all want to know. Towels.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Not with toilet paper. Paper towels.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And you're. And you're digging a hole.

[Danny Heifetz]

Relative covering it back up. Luxury.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Did you dig a hole?

[Danny Heifetz]

You're going to have a shovel.

[Danny Kelly]

So.

[Danny Heifetz]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

He just left it out there. Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

In the woods. What am I supposed to do?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Fertilizer, I think.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the etiquette is you dig a hole and then the etiquette. Right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Bears do that.

[Danny Kelly]

Now we're going to have bears anyway. Wow. I didn't mean to bring that up, really, but I was just picturing pooping. Pooping in a hole. I just meant, like, you're gonna have guys that are. That have shy bladders and shy poops that are just holding it in. That's not healthy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Tomlin held a lot of together.

[Danny Kelly]

The further we get away from this, the more I respect Tomlin.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, he's the guy, the spider man meme. He's, like, holding the bus together. He's like the guy with the arrows all coming down.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think there's any toilets in the facility that are like the. Like, the coaches are like, you guys can't go in there.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Like, when I was in high school.

[Danny Kelly]

Secret poop. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

When I was in high school, the teachers had their, like, own little bathroom.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Same here.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And I went. By the time I was a junior, I figured out what the code was, and that's where I would go to the bathroom.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I saw a really funny video of this guy pretending to do a tour of, like, a big tech company's facilities. And it's like he's introduced or he's, like, giving the tour to a new employee. And he's like, here is like the cafeteria. We have a full cafeteria. Free lunch, breakfast, dinner every single day. Like, here's the bullpen. We got ping pong. We got this and that. There's like a rooftop if you want up and look out. And then Here there's one tiny bathroom where you can hear all your employees every single day.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like, what a nightmare.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Every coworker just have diarrhea nightmare. That is actually super true. I. I really identified with that.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the worst.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Every time you have to go to the bathroom at Spotify, I'm like, horrific. I need to walk a mile to find.

[Danny Kelly]

This is my previous career. I was working in like legal lit, litigation support. And we would go around to all these different law firms and deliver things. Things. And so like, I'm like sort of a salesman walking around and we had in each building like a favorite floor that had the best bathrooms. And it was like well known among people, like, where's the best toilets? It was great.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Ben Lindberg, who works here at the Ringer, like three weeks into Covid argued that he made. He wrote an article for the Ringer. You guys know Maslow's hierarchy. The idea you can't really enjoy anything until you have like food, water, shelter, etc, say, like once you have those

[Danny Kelly]

established, then you have the next set of needs. Right?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like you can't really enjoy the

[Craig Krolbeck]

Eiffel Tower private place to might be in the base.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ben Lindbergh Argentina arguments. Ben Lindbergh argued that the fact when Covid happened like March 2020, the fact that America just instantly ran out of toilet paper suggested that we had data that the actual things people need are food, water, shelter and place to. And white. Yeah. And he was like, literally that's like apparently the first thing people think.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I really, I can't believe that somebody. That a company hasn't figured out how to make bidets more mainstream in America.

[Danny Heifetz]

They're working on it. My tushy get at us.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm just saying, like, I mean that would solve so many issues and it's. It's on both sides. It would make a lot of money for whoever's doing it. And also it's just way cleaner and easier. You don't have to go buy toilet paper. Save money.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dog on your arm and you just wiped it off. And we're like, I'm good. I mean, look, be crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The example I've heard dog is even worse. But I was always like, I heard that, you know, if there's peanut butter on your arm and just wipe it off and then you smell your arm, like it's still going to smell like peanut butter.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's actually insane. I have a bidet and like shout out, Sean, you who told me the worst part of having a Bidet is when you aren't near your bidet. Yeah. Is addictive.

[Craig Krolbeck]

When I went to, when we went to Sweden and then I went to London after that. Dude, the bidet experience is unparalleled, luxurious.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm glad I brought that up.

[Danny Heifetz]

While we're just on the NFL, can I also tell you, I think we were talking about this yesterday and I wasn't going to bring this up on the show, but I kind of want to just because I think just in the vein of we're joking about all this. But the larger point is these teams are cheap and they don't invest as much as they invest a ton into certain things and way less than you think. In other words, like, the Chiefs almost did a three peat with no, like, infrastructure. And I was telling you guys this yesterday and you couldn't believe it, but it's very mainstream a court. I'm not going to say who, but a coordinator in the NFL was telling me years ago and I was meeting with this coordinator and they were telling me that one of the busiest parts was they had to hire multiple coaches on their staff at the combine. And they were like, oh, I have like 14. You know, if you have three or four positions, you have to hire four. You're like, I've scheduled 13 or 14 interviews and the hardest part is actually trying to do that. I was like, don't you have an assistant helping you? They're like, no, I have to do it. And I was like, how many? And maybe I'm wrong, but how many jobs in the United States of America could pay you a salary of two or three or four million dollars per year? Your time is so, yeah, your time is so valuable if you're an offensive or defensive coordinator that you're getting like three or four million dollars a year. But they won't. Don't pay 40 or $50,000 to get that person assisted. So you have to schedule all your meetings and do your everything yourself.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It genuinely makes no sense.

[Danny Kelly]

There's so many. I'm sure there's so many bottlenecks like that in pro football. Like, there's so many efficiencies that could be had.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And is it because, like, if you give an inch, take a mile, like if you allow one person to have an assistant, all the coaches are going to want assistance for that.

[Danny Heifetz]

They just, they're just not adding a person. It's absolutely.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, it is such a bottleneck back that stuff that, that tedious, like scheduling things, emails, stuff like that would take so long.

[Danny Heifetz]

Maybe I'm wrong. But, like, there cannot be that many other industries that pay anyone $4 million and they don't get it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I can't believe no one's budged. Like a coordinator going to their owner and being like, do you realize that I would be 30, better at my job, more efficient with my time if you gave me an assistant that we paid 60 grand a year?

[Danny Kelly]

They're like, we're not giving assistance to every coach.

[Danny Heifetz]

No one of these people sleep in their offices. It's because they're so.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, there's such a culture of grinding in the NFL where first in, last out, you know, you're a.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's obviously like. They're like, oh, so you're a. You can't do it all yourself.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, you. You need a six toilet in the locker room, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How about you win a playoff game?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com about stalls, everyone.

[Danny Kelly]

Toilets are for closers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. I want to go through.

[Danny Kelly]

We really lingered on.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I told you we could do that for the. The dk. You're a draft expert here at the Ringer NFL Draft, the RA.com. you got your big board. It's expanded to 50 players.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's a huge board.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's huge. It's pretty.

[Danny Kelly]

My big, girthy board. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm going to change. We got. I'm going to start lobbying to change it to my big, girthy, big board.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. Go to the ringer.com DK's big girthy board.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Biggest board you ever seen.

[Danny Heifetz]

You said they wouldn't remember the URL.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Big girthy board. Dot the ringer.

[Danny Heifetz]

But I will say, Craig, you are. You're our outsider insider here at the Ringer. Yeah. You're, you know, you're. You're. So I was going to say I kind of want Craig has.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig has been really brushing up with all his insider sources here.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's right. Talking to a lot of people. This is where you do it in Indianapolis.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We're out late every night talking to my sources, getting intel, watching highlights on YouTube, all that good stuff. No, but I want. I wanted to talk to you about wide receivers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Because we haven't really talked about them a whole lot on this show. And your big board expand. I think there's like six or seven guys on that list.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And so I wanted to give you who I thought were my favorite guys who jumped off the page. I love the screen. To me, I love it. Get your take. So I'm gonna give you my loose top five rankings.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Actually, they're not loose. They're. They're locked in. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You're not moving this.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

At all.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. And I. I feel very strongly about this top.

[Danny Kelly]

The pro days are not going to affect this.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I don't care about that.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

All right. My number one receiver is Jordan Tyson.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Who I think is sick.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. I think he's awesome. I think your conf for Christian Watson actually is great. Okay. And I feel like in the same way I kind of poo pooed a Doug Baldwin. Com. You're like Christian Watson. You're gonna send a first round pick on Christian Watson. But it is like Jordan Tyson because

[Danny Kelly]

you've actually watched Christian Watson play well.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. And when Christian Watson is at his.

[Danny Heifetz]

Not Watson.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Christian Watson at his best, like, Jordan Tyson to me is like, if every single. If the best play of Christian Watson. Watson's like, career is just every play of Jordan Tyson. He is like 2.0 version of him. He just seems so twitchy.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's the way he moved really reminded me that similar of Christian Watson in terms of, like, explosive, twitchy, you know, deep ball. Like, he's really good. Getting deep. Like his body control, basketball tendencies.

[Craig Krolbeck]

His brother's on the Cavs. First of all, he's in the NBA.

[Danny Kelly]

That's crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I'm shocked. He's only six two. He plays way bigger. I can't believe he's shorter than Carnell Tate.

[Danny Kelly]

He does feel taller. Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

He plays way bigger than trait in a receiver when you think they're taller because they play big.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I thought he was 6 4. Watching him, I just think he's great. And I. I know that he has injury concerns. Don't care. I just.

[Danny Kelly]

I think they're maybe like a little overblown.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, he had a really bad injury in 2022.

[Danny Heifetz]

ACL, MCL, NPCL. But I think he's certainly shown explosiveness since then. I think it does get docked because he had. And then he broke his collarbone 2024 at a hamstring issue last year. So he has an issue three of the last four seasons. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So I'm going Jordan Tyson one. I'm going Denzel Boston two. I'm going Carnell.

[Danny Kelly]

Take three. All right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm going to. And then Maai Lemon and Omar Cooper are tied for for four or five.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's where I'm at.

[Danny Kelly]

I like that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So let's go through it. Your number two receiver. Yeah. Let me Let me talk about Denzel Bots because he's a really fun guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Washington, 6, 4 2, 09 pounds.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. 6, 4, 2, 10.

[Danny Kelly]

He plays above the rim. He's just. Contestant catch is really strong.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Maybe I have a type. But like, his, like, energy and. And. And. And fluidity and ability. At his size, I'm just like, this guy also moves just really well for a 6 4.

[Danny Heifetz]

How many 64 guy receivers are punt returners.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. He returns.

[Danny Kelly]

He had, like, had touchdown. Very rare. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know, man. He jumped off the page to me. I liked him a lot. And the guy who I couldn't get behind was Makai Lemon, who I know a lot of people like.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

To me seems way small. I know. It's like, we'll see if he's 5'10 or 5'11. He's listed as 5'11. Does not seem 5'11 to me.

[Danny Kelly]

Is this because I Compton a Doug Bald Baldwin.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How tall is Doug Baldwin? 5 10.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You're like. You're like. Now I really don't like him.

[Danny Heifetz]

I gotta be honest. I don't mean this in a mean way. Just factual. We're never gonna get over the duck

[Danny Kelly]

ball because you guys haven't watched him play football.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. I was gonna say there's a little bit of name bias.

[Danny Heifetz]

There was a TV show when we were a kid, and Doug was not athletic.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No. Terrible measurables. First percentile.

[Danny Heifetz]

The youngest person I know is my. Until Doug Baldwin's like my.

[Craig Krolbeck]

My Doug in the show.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I have no idea Doug's last name.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't think Doug has. He's like eight years.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm gonna look that up.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Makai Lemon. I don't know, to me, does not seem like a top 15 pick in the draft.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also, it's one of those nominative determinisms. Like, literally his name. Lemon.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. He, like, reminds me of a running back, to be honest.

[Danny Kelly]

Doug funny.

[Danny Heifetz]

Doug funny.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, I knew that. That now sounds right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Doug funny.

[Danny Kelly]

I. E not. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Guy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, different spelling.

[Danny Kelly]

Different spelling.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Same name, different spelling.

[Danny Heifetz]

Different spelling.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Reminds me of running back, and I think he's, like, going to be 5, 9, and 3.

[Danny Heifetz]

He went to USC?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. Okay, give me your. Do you like him? What's your ranking?

[Danny Kelly]

My ranking is Cardinal Tate, number one.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay. Who I have fourth.

[Danny Kelly]

Why did you not like him?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I feel like to me, he seems high floor, low ceiling. I. I think he is the way, like devonte Smith. Smith a little bit. I think he's smaller than devonte Smith. But in the same way, where I'm like, I think this guy's gonna be

[Danny Kelly]

good, I think that's actually fair because I. The reason I have Jordan Tyson a little lower is because I think he's high ceiling, low floor.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And so I just thought Colonel Tate is really polished.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

He's body control. I just think he's gonna be really good. I have Mikhail. I'm in second because I like him so much. I think, number one, what's so good about incredible body control? Great speed after the catch. Good route runner. He can shake coverage really easily. He's really tough.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Who's your comp for him? Oh, it's Doug Baldwin, of course.

[Danny Kelly]

The goat. That was, like, a me question. I feel better now, but, yeah, and. And I just think he's really tough. And. And the other comp that I think people are throwing out for him, which I don't think is, like, quite right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Lemon.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes. Is Steve Smith senior. Steve Smith was, I think, a little bit like. Like thicker and more physical and explosive.

[Danny Heifetz]

Punch multiple people in the face on

[Danny Kelly]

his team, but that's another kind of, like, visualization. I think the point of mai Lemon, though, is interesting because he's going to measure in here in the next couple days, and what he. How tall he is will probably matter a lot to teams because there just aren't, frankly, a lot of 510 elite receivers.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's, like, very few. The list is pretty small.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I would say he doesn't play super big to me either.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sorry.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think he does.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hold on, wait. Adam Schefter just posted that actually some people had Mai Lemon at 6. 6ft over 6.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the height thing is, like, they're probably pretty close in the height,

[Danny Heifetz]

but, yeah, I am dubious of all of this, though.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's funny because how many

[Craig Krolbeck]

inches do you get from cleats?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, they have that figured out. You can't. You have to do bare feet.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I know, but just in general, is it. Do you get, like, an inch, two inches? How much you get from cleats?

[Danny Kelly]

Do you get it? Do you. Are you shorter because you have flat feet? Like, does the arch give you a little bit extra?

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know. I have flex fe. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe.

[Danny Heifetz]

Question. Anyway, I'm really six feet.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's what it says on your hinge, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. No, exactly.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But yeah, I would say my by far, my two favorites are Jordan Tyson and Denzel.

[Danny Kelly]

Boss, tell me about how you liked Omar Cooper.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Omar Cooper is just one of those guys that feels like he's just going to be productive in the end.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're doing the thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Omar, explain Omar Cooper. Why receiver in Indiana, Gus Johnson favorite Omar Cober.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, the best.

[Danny Kelly]

He had the most incredible catch of the year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude. Gus. I actually have no notes on all these big ten ass players and what Gus Johnson's like, celebrations for them are, it's. It's just phenomenal.

[Danny Kelly]

Big ten ass players. What did you say?

[Danny Heifetz]

I just feel like he does more big time big ten ass.

[Danny Kelly]

I was like, I just feel like

[Craig Krolbeck]

Cooper's gonna get drafted later by a good team and he'll be really productive on a good day.

[Danny Kelly]

I can see that. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just like, I don't know, what's your comp for him? He's like Golden Tate or something.

[Danny Kelly]

Mine was gonna be good. Well, I kind of like that. I said Josh Downs with a power up mushroom. So like, like, just. I thought that was more like the way he moves. Yeah. Power up mushroom.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Right.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, I see. Yeah. Mario Brothers. Yeah, he. He's a slot guy. He's probably not gonna like play outside a ton. I think he got moved. He played outside early in his career, got moved in this last season for Indiana and he was really good there. He runs after the catch. He's really tough, physical, like. Yeah. And he. I think he just moves similar to Josh Downs and since like he's got great balance.

[Danny Heifetz]

Interesting. I. I think Omar Cooper reminds me a lot of like a Monroe St. Brown. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And that's who Makai Lemon gets a lot of those comps.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's because the USC thing I see, I think Omar Cooper, I love him. And it's like really simple Indiana. You ask Kurt Signetti and he's like, the strategy is we run the ball so that we can throw it to Omar Cooper. Like, like just get the ball to number three is just what, like that was Indiana's offense and like they have, what's it.

[Danny Kelly]

They had some good receivers on that team.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

And Elijah Surat is another guy who's in this draft. He's really interesting.

[Danny Heifetz]

And when they couldn't get the ball to Omar co they would throw it to him. But like, but he blocks his ass off. And there's a difference between receivers who block and receivers who love to block. And like Amonra is like the same psychopath that he has where he just like would read what. He would read the names of every single receiver drafted before him out loud to himself before he goes to practice every day.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Even Though his girlfriend got the number wrong, and that's why he wears the wrong number.

[Danny Heifetz]

We don't talk about this.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, what?

[Craig Krolbeck]

So he.

[Danny Heifetz]

Receiver. He wears number 14, right?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Because he asked. Yes. He asked his girlfriend how many receivers went ahead of him. She got the number wrong. So he literally picked the wrong number.

[Danny Heifetz]

They were like, 16 instead of 14.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, well, I'm not changing anything now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. I think more that I think about that story. I think that I forget the timeline because Goff is 16 and he's 14. But the number should have been 16. I wonder if she did that on purpose.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Why be two off?

[Danny Heifetz]

Because he wanted the number, but Jared had it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But why? Why not be 15 then?

[Danny Heifetz]

15 is kind of lame.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Isn't 14 better for receiver than 14 is two touchdowns?

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's cool.

[Danny Kelly]

15's I have no idea.

[Craig Krolbeck]

14 or 15 is cooler for receivers. No, I just don't think it's obvious. You said that. Very matter of fact. You're like, well, obviously 15's lamer. That's why she went. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Four rips.

[Danny Kelly]

We all agree that 14's a football number.

[Danny Heifetz]

Come on. You don't see what I'm saying? 15 is not a football number. 14's a football.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm gonna look up famous 15's a

[Craig Krolbeck]

little more delicate, a little more dangerous.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll save you.

[Danny Kelly]

There you go. That's a good one. I mean, he's pretty good.

[Danny Heifetz]

1587. We might get the quarterback.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's not a. You know, it's different.

[Danny Heifetz]

Am I crazy? I'm just saying 14's a football number. You score two touchdowns, you get 14. That's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it's a more masculine number.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I know it's not.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Visually, it's more masculine. Sharp edges, not round. Not round edges. You know, there's a difference there.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You don't think so?

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. Brandon Marshall.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're still doing this?

[Danny Kelly]

God, this list takes forever. It's like one of those recipes. You try and Google a recipe and you have to read the life story. Wait, can I. Johnny Blood McNally. Damn.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What are you looking up?

[Danny Heifetz]

What are you talking.

[Danny Kelly]

That's number 15s in football. NFL history. He played in from 1926 to 19. Or, sorry. 1929 to 1936. Johnny Blood McNally.

[Danny Heifetz]

I do want to tell you. Chrono.

[Danny Kelly]

Dark star. Okay? There's not a lot of good ones. I might be on your guys's side now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. Cardinal Tate, when he scores touchdowns. Because Johnson would be like Carnell Tater.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Home run.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hitter and I was every it hit every time was just phenomenal. Phenomenal Tater.

[Danny Kelly]

Tim tebow is number 15.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, sure,

[Danny Heifetz]

sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I just love Omar Cooper and I think he's the classic, I think the kind of receivers that fall. I think one of the reasons that you know how long we would joke that sometimes the second and third round receivers end up better than the first round.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's because it's like defensive ends completely agree. Where what inevitably defensive ends ends up has a very similar thing where there are two kinds of prospects. Like the tippity tippity top. The Jamar Chase is the Julio Jones are guys who are really technically proficient and have great fundamentals and route running and skills, but also prototypical size and athleticism. And there's like one or two of those a draft or whatever, and they're elite and they go really high. But then you have more or less two buckets. Guys with all the physical tools and talent but not all the technical proficiency. And then guys who are really great at playing football but don't have ceiling athleticism.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Elite traits.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the NFL, especially at defensive end, usually leans towards the first round, ends up being crazy athletes that could be grid. And then the athletes who are and then players who actually are really good but have ceiling athleticism, which is like Donovan is Iraqu for the Cowboys. Or Ebiketti who I think went to the Falcons. Like guys who are like ceiling athletically but like technically proficient. Same thing happens at receiver where it's like the, the crazy ceiling athletes who don't know how to play kind of go high, but then the people who fall are like, Monroe St. Brown falls to the fifth round or whatever.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Good football player, great feel for the game, but physically not remarkable from a measurement and testing standpoint.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's how I feel looking at Omar. I say he's a bad athlete, but he's the kind of guy that he just knows how to play football. He's a professional.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I totally agree.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's gonna fall because he's 23 and he's older and he's like not going to test out of the gym. But I think if the Buffalo Bills get Omar Cooper in the back of the first round, that's phenomenal.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I, I, I totally agree. He's going to fall to some good team and be super productive immediately. Immediately.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I like your rankings. I feel like receivers more than any other position are pick your flavor. It just you have the types, you know what I mean? Or you have sort of archetypes that you really like or gravitate to. Maybe it's fantasy related. I don't know what. But I mean I could definitely get on board with some of these rankings. I have Tyson a little bit lower just because I think the consistency wasn't exactly there, but. But I understand the physical traits are.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think he's awesome. I will say I don't think any of these guys are above like McMillan last year, Luther Burton. I would put both those guys ahead of all the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, these people burden. I think Cardinal Tate and tight. I think. I think Tyson, if he didn't have any of the injury injuries would probably be the number one guy. Jordan Tyson.

[Danny Kelly]

I would have all these guys under McMillan.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a deep. It's a deep receiver classic.

[Danny Kelly]

He might be.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's the new Kaderius Tony.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like if Kaden Tony played football.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What does that mean?

[Danny Kelly]

He's like if Kaderius Tony played football.

[Danny Heifetz]

Your favorite receiver of all time, the best player you've ever seen play football. Kadarius Tony, he's better than that in a phone booth.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Kaderius Tony can't be tackled. But Luther Burton has way more diverse skill set than Tony.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I'm just nailing you any of the KC Concepcion. He didn't me.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, that's fine.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You Compton to Kil Shakir and I'm like, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I think my comps really give you the ick.

[Danny Heifetz]

Shakir gave me huge.

[Danny Kelly]

Watch the guys first before you look at my comp.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Watch them.

[Danny Kelly]

No, before you look at my comps. I mean.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, we read your guide.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. Don't just watch them first.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So at the top of the guide, can you say don't nobody read this unless highlights first.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't read the guide. We'll put that at the top. DK's girthy big guide. Don't read it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Big girthy throbbing guide.

[Danny Kelly]

Vy triumphant gu.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Jesus Christ

[Craig Krolbeck]

in your pants happy to see me. Are there any other dudes you want to mention from that you've been, you know, writing about that have risen up the ranks. Guys you're excited about from this week.

[Danny Kelly]

Something that has been happening this week is the em and worry effect. We talked about this a couple shows ago where Nick him and worry was the number one safety of all time on the relative athletic score. And that kind of thing that actually does kind of move me a little.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Safety of South Carolina like a physical freak of nature.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. He's the C Seahawks rookie. That was awesome. It kind of Changed their whole defense, allowed them to do some things that they hadn't been able to do before. I think there's going to be an M and warrior effect. It also is coincidental and, and you know, works really well here that there's three really good safeties or at least three really good safeties in this draft. And I think the three guys that I wanted to talk about. Caleb Downs, hyphens. You give a quick elevator pitch on Caleb Downs.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's the opposite of even a warrior. He's not a freak.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's pretty athletic though.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, the physical measurements, I mean he's a little bit undersized. He's not super duper fast.

[Danny Kelly]

With him it's less the athletic thing. I guess I should have prefaced that it's the safety being such an integral part of a defense thing with him. But then if you look at the other two guys that I wanted to bring up, the first one is Dylan Thman from Oregon who he was a freaks list guy from last year. I think Austin said he's going to run. He, he thinks he's going to run a 4 3. If he runs a 43 3. His stock is he's I think going to be on the radar big time after this week. But I watched him, I recently did his report. He's really, really exciting, really instinctive, flies around, versatile to play all the different types of positions in the back. Like he could play single high, he can play, you know, too high, come down into the slot, overhang, whatever. He's just really, really athletic, rangy, good tackler, good in coverage, instinctive in coverage, bunch of picks and I think he's going to be the guy that probably tests out of the gym at safety and kind of like people are going to start freaking out about. And then the other guy who I think is very interesting is Toledo's Emanuel McNeil Warren who he kind of reminds me of. Kalen Bullock who now is on the Texans. He just flies around. He's really instinctive in positioning himself to like so like for instance I just picture him, him blowing up screens, coming downhill really quick before the blocking can even get set up. Just he's another guy with a lot of ball production. He just flies all over the place. He has good hands and he's six three or at least he he's list at six three. He's really long tall, you know, smooth, rangy athlete. I'm excited to see how he tests as well. He was to me not as he was not very consistent as a Tackler. I think that was like, the one thing that kind of had them. Sorry. Thienaman. Above him for in my rankings. But they're both very, very intriguing defenders, and I think with the m and worry thing, what happened last year, I think they could rise just because teams are going to be like, maybe we can get our version of, you know, Hamilton or Emin. Worry. A guy that can kind of change the. The calculus of how we line up, the geometry of how we line up in the backfield, and he can be just, you know, match it with tight ends. Match, change. Change the way that you play defense. So I'm excited to see how those guys test.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's gonna be a cool combine. Good players are gonna.

[Danny Kelly]

People are testing, which is not always. You don't always see it. Some of the biggest names are actually testing, so that's exciting.

[Danny Heifetz]

Made it through the combine. We're here, and we're gonna cover the draft the. The whole way. I think we're probably gonna get some trades between now and the next show we record. Honestly, we'll probably be some trades that happen.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Free agency's coming soon.

[Danny Heifetz]

Free agency in a couple weeks. I'm literally losing.

[Danny Kelly]

He's choking up.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm just.

[Danny Kelly]

He can't wait for free agency.

[Danny Heifetz]

I just means so much to me. We're talking about malik Willis getting 35 million.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And we were like, mlik Willis out here. It's just bleak. You know what? That was way funny when I did it earlier.

[Danny Kelly]

It was. It was one of those things that, like, in the moment, it's funny, and then you try and recreate it funny.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, he think he misheard me because I said, oh, Malik Willis has been bleak. And then he was like, mlik Willis. Am I right?

[Danny Kelly]

Am I right?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Shoot or shoot?

[Danny Kelly]

I appreciate that you went for it. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sequester myself to a Steeler stall. All right, let's do an email. Let's get out of here. So this is from Brett.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Brett B.

[Danny Kelly]

Bone.

[Danny Heifetz]

B. Bones. Breakfast was homemade egg bites reheated with hot sauce and a coffee without milk.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Homemade egg bites.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a good idea.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Interesting.

[Danny Heifetz]

I do. I got to tell you guys what my. My breakfast has been. Recently, I've been like, My egg game has been leveled up.

[Danny Kelly]

How do you make an egg bite?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I was gonna ask. What's that?

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't have egg bites, but I've been doing.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it like milk and then.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's like Starbucks. It's like egg whites. And I think you just bake.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't Know how it works?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it's like a scrambled egg, but, you know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. And you almost like bake them in

[Danny Kelly]

little trays, like in cupcake.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like an ice. Yeah, like an ice cube tray.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ice cube tray.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You like little egg cheese, a little sausage, bacon, onion, rosemary. Bake it.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure, sprinkle it on there.

[Danny Heifetz]

You're fancy. Rosemary is a great idea. Wow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's guy who has plain quesadillas every day. He's like, what if you had rosemary?

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you ever want chicken or steak in your quesadilla? No, Never? Not once in 15 years. Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But anyway, I like what I like.

[Danny Kelly]

Leave me alone.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, Brett, Brett writes, we know about high school basketball chance.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh yeah, high school basketball chance.

[Danny Heifetz]

Chance, like things people yell.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And Brett writes, I went to Northern Virginia high school basketball game between a private school and a public school, like 2011. Some friends there, we jump in the student section, chairing the team team, and our school sucked at basketball, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, one of the kids on this other team was 6 foot 7, 240 pounds, top player in the state. You could tell he was a problem. And then one problem, he got fouled and went to the free throw line for a tough and one. And they decided to start making fun of him. And he, they just started screaming at him. And he misses the free throw. And the student section kind of goes into a frenzy because they kind of distracted him a little.

[Danny Kelly]

I like the term frenzy.

[Danny Heifetz]

And they're cheering so jubilantly that they got this 6 foot 7, 240 pound kid to miss a free throw that he actually like Michael Jordan space jam. He like gets his own rebound off the free throw. And then Tomahawk dumps, dunks the slam. It's slam, dunks the ball for a four point play. And all of us shut up immediately.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Why is it a 5, 4 point point play?

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know. I just read it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He missed the free.

[Danny Kelly]

It was such a thunderous dunk that they gave him four points.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know if his math checks out.

[Danny Kelly]

No, wait, hold on.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We got to come up with a new four points.

[Danny Heifetz]

He missed the first, misses the second three point.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, does he. Is it an N1?

[Pharmaceutical Advertiser]

Maybe.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And then he hits the one after that.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, it must, must have been.

[Danny Heifetz]

It must have been.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Did he miss the first free throw?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's an N1 because it's an N1. Misses it and then he gets. So he gets two. That's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, it was an N1 one and

[Danny Heifetz]

he misses the free throw. So it's two and then he dunks it so it's four.

[Danny Kelly]

So wait, they were celebrating when it like clanged off the ramp. Then he came in.

[Danny Heifetz]

Free throw.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So the frenzy was in there, like brief one second right after he missed it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And then he shoved it right back.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then they all shut the up.

[Danny Kelly]

Like all the pictures. It's like the gif of the guy who shoots the three and like turns around and holds his hand up and it's just like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So he turns around the student.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, totally. Nick Young.

[Danny Heifetz]

He turns to the student section and he just like flexes on them and is like, don't you do that it again. This guy right there, this person, the reason this was a month ago. And I'm pulling it because this guy was Mo Ali Cox.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No way.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mo Ali cox.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, what?

[Craig Krolbeck]

11.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mo Ali Cox was the guy who did this to them.

[Danny Kelly]

Shut up.

[Danny Heifetz]

I remember because he went to VCU and so Shaka Smart, who's the coach of VCU at the time, told him because he wanted to play like more aggressively. Shaka Smart, who's the coach that went to the final four and everything he told him every night before he went to bed, he wanted to look in the mirror and scream as loud as he could, I'm the baddest in the state of Virginia.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

And he said that to himself every night before he went to bed.

[Danny Kelly]

What if they went out of state?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, you're right. They made the final four and they lost. So I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Just. I mean, look, that doesn't matter. It's still cool.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Hin does that every night to prep

[Danny Heifetz]

himself of podcast, the baddest in Indiana,

[Danny Kelly]

in the District of Columbia.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Did you guys ever, when you were younger, like, did you ever have like a basketball hoop in the driveway or something and you would lower it so you could dunk?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There is no better feeling in the world.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We had.

[Danny Kelly]

We had a dunk hoops turn tournament. I don't remember how often we did it. We did a couple different times at this middle school by our house. So much fun. I think it was eight foot hoops.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Seven foot hoops, whatever it was. And people were doing like put back dunks. It was like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And it was 13 years old. It was doing alley.

[Danny Kelly]

So much fun.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, there's nothing better. We were tall enough to catch one. One hand and you feel like you're unbelievable.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like the greatest moment for a suburban white kids.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the dream.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'd be out there for hours throwing lobs.

[Danny Heifetz]

So my brother and I, we put up. We could put a chain net on the. On the thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ye.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was like the beginning of Space Jam with Michael Jordan. He's hitting the free throws on a chair. This is the number one thing that the Saved by the Bell millennials don't get about spongebob Millennials is the impact that Space Jam had.

[Danny Kelly]

I know you guys a lot. I didn't really get into space.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's Michael Jordan. What if Michael Jordan, Bugs Bunny, like were buds and it's unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that does. That does sound like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sounds awesome.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was four. It was crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I didn't.

[Danny Heifetz]

Crazy crossover.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Did you see the remake?

[Danny Heifetz]

I did. Did not. I did.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And it was remake sequel.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was remake cuz it was LeBron. And they, they did that multiverse thing with like Bugs Bunny and like Warner Brothers stuff. And it was like good enough.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But like what you saw, like, like characters from the larger Warner Brothers universe were popping in.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's bad. You know what's bad is I can't even remember. You saw it the night. Oh yeah, I did.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wow. You went to the theater?

[Danny Heifetz]

No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

What is the plot?

[Danny Heifetz]

Theater for spaceship. Oh. I waited my whole life for someone to ask me this.

[Danny Kelly]

God, now I'm regret it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Michael Jordan is go. Michael Jordan is golfing with Bill Murray and Michael Jordan reaches down into his. Makes a putt, reaches down in the cup and he gets sucked into Looney Tune world. And Bill Murray's at the golf course alone, being like, what do I do? And then the Bugs. Bugs Bunny that we need you to win a basketball game. Some people like, are gonna. We've challenged them to a basketball game. And if you lose, then all Looney Tune land. We're gonna like have to go to another planet. We're gonna die.

[Danny Kelly]

So Michael Jordan dark. Who. Who are the Monstars?

[Craig Krolbeck]

The bad guys.

[Danny Heifetz]

They steal. So what? They, they stole the talent from other NBA players. So they stole the talent from Charles Barkley. They stole the talent from Patrick Ewing. They stole the talent from all these guys. And so they were like, really good. They didn't get Michael Jordan's talent because he was retired playing baseball. And so he's playing baseball and they're like. And so the Looney Tunes though, don't believe he's good at basketball because they're like, he's a baseball player. He sucks. They're like, there's no way this guy's good at basketball. So he has to prove he's actually good at basket. It's sick. It's so good.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And apparently while filming on the set, Michael Jor make them build a basketball court.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like you know, on in the production area. And they had apparently like. Cuz all those guys were there. Charles Barkley on these dudes. And apparently they would have sick runs.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you have any idea what it's like for like Foghorn Leghorn to be like.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like a baseball player. He didn't really make contact with anything. This guy to play basketball.

[Danny Kelly]

How is that the first time he's ever done Foghorn Leghorn?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you just host a whole pod and. Foghorn Leghorn characters, welcome to Ring of Fantasy Football. Oh my God. Dude, he's. He's like getting rainy. Look at that. That is good. Yeah. By the way, Michael Jordan's like off season pickup games. He would organize them with NBA players. This was on the last dance, I think. Just stuff of legends. Like how hard they were playing. Anyway, I have to watch that movie. I don't. I think I've seen Snippet.

[Danny Heifetz]

You should show Calvin the movie.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah. Basketball this week. He did it's the perfect age.

[Danny Kelly]

Perfect. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's totally a good age. Oh, oh.

[Danny Heifetz]

Coming. They heard me do that voice.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a monstar going to jail.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, dude. Six year old Calvin Space Jam. Perfect.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you think the cops know I left? I didn't dig a hole in the woods that one time. Statute of limitations. Oh my God. Okay, let's get out of here. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Jake. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you ever for listening emails. Ring your fantasy football Gmail dot com. Email us about the stalls at the Steelers. I want to know 5. You think that's the right number?

[Danny Kelly]

What's the worst work pooping situation you've had?

[Danny Heifetz]

Poops is crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I want some anonymous emails from people inside the organization.

[Danny Kelly]

Whistleblowers, if you will.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What's going on in there? How bad is it?

[Danny Heifetz]

And I want to know from people. I want to know work poop stories. Because you're right. Well, you. Everyone has that version of you Go. If you go to work in an office, everyone has like a strategy of like work bathroom politics. Like it matters.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just love that video. There's a giant cafeteria. Everything you want. And then there's a tiny little bathroom where you can hear every single co worker take a shoot every day.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's so true.

[Danny Heifetz]

Thank you, Lord, Lord, thank you.

[Danny Kelly]

The Alan Parsons Project.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, nice. That's what I'm talking about.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, you're cooking now. Can you hear it?

[Danny Kelly]

Let's hear it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, the NBA, they bring. I think they started to bring back intros music for these Finals, the Thunder Finals. And it was the best move I've seen the NBA do in a long time. Like I know people giving them about tanking right now, but them ever getting away from intros like it is so much.

[Danny Kelly]

That was a huge part of my childhood.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Bulls.

[Danny Kelly]

Just intros? Yeah, the Bulls. Like that was my era. I mean it was like 96 or was when the Sonics played the Bulls in the Finals. I'm like, nothing is better than the intros to basketball games. This. The Sonics had their own whole thing for a while where they had Squatch I think it was. It was a Sasquatch was their mask mascot. And he would do the craziest ever. He was an incredible gymnast. Some of the dunks were insane. Wish I could remember what the song was like for the Sonics intro. I'm gonna have to go look that up. But anyway that's. They had their own iconic stuff that I grew up on. It was amazing. You know what the other one that I was thinking of is? Rock and Roll Part two. What was Nana?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Gary Glitter.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that's it. That just reminds me of 90s D's basketball.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Alan Parson song is called. Is it Serious?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

S I Us.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like an Egyptian guy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sirius xm. Well, right. I'm saying the spelling right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, spelling.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. I think it's named after like the Sun God or something. Or something.

[Craig Krolbeck]

More people are familiar with Siriusxm I would say than the spelling of the Sun God.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fair enough. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. Goodbye everyone. Monster Energy. Everybody knows White Monster Zero Ultra. That's the OG it kicked off this whole Zero Sugar Energy drink thing. But Ultra is a whole line them now you've got Strawberry Dreams, Blue Hawaiian Sunrise and Vice Guava. And they all bring the Monster Energy punch. So if you've been living in the white can branch out. Ultra's got a flavor for every vibe and every single one is Zero Sugar

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