Top-10 WR Prospect Player Comps, Kirk Cousins is a Raider, and Ping Bodie Won a Spaghetti Eating Contest Against an Ostrich

Summary

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The Ringer NFL Draft Show — April 6, 2026

Episode Focus:
The trio—Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck—dive deep into the top-10 (well, 11) wide receiver prospects in the 2026 NFL Draft, debating their NFL comps (both high-end and low-end), how the prospects fit into the modern passing game, and evaluating recent NFL Draft happenings. They also dish on the Kirk Cousins signing with the Raiders, rookie QB benches, bizarre NFL anecdotes, plus Ping Bodie’s legendary spaghetti-eating contest versus an ostrich.

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Main Theme & Purpose

The episode revolves around the rich, deep, and highly varied 2026 wide receiver draft class. The hosts compare prospects to current and former NFL players—debating the validity and value of comps—and discuss what makes certain prospects alluring (or risky). They kick off with breaking news: Kirk Cousins signing with the Raiders, and what that means for rookie QB Fernando Mendoza. The show blends sharp draft insights, off-the-wall humor, and nostalgic sports stories.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kirk Cousins Signs with the Raiders

[02:33–11:02]

• The hosts react to Kirk Cousins’ surprising move to the Raiders.
• Address debate over rookie Fernando Mendoza sitting and learning (“benched”).
• Discuss the evolution from rookie QBs being forced to start toward re-emphasizing apprenticeship—citing Tom Brady’s outspoken “tragedy that rookie quarterbacks play early” remark.

“I think it’s a tragedy that rookie quarterbacks play early.” – Tom Brady (via Stephen A. Smith pod, quoted by Heifetz, 07:07)

• Historical context: Most Hall of Famers sat (Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady).
• Danny Kelly: “I do think this is what’s best for Mendoza in the long run.” [08:35]
• Cousins praised for his organization, professionalism, and maximization of his career earnings.

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2. Top-10 Wide Receiver Prospects & NFL Player Comparisons

[11:02–72:00]

The segment structure for each WR includes:

• Prospect profile (measurables, college, general traits)
• High-end, low-end, and mid-range NFL comparisons
• Team fits, draft range, and unique “shades of” conversation

(1) Carnell Tate, Ohio State [12:02–19:35]

• Comp range:
  • High: Justin Jefferson (“Weird amount in common: size, polished, body control, technique, high floor”—Heifetz [13:44])
  • Mid: Tee Higgins (“He’s just a smaller Tee Higgins”)
  • Low: Rashod Bateman, Jordan Addison (“if he lands in bad QB situations”)
• Praised as “professional, modern, fluid,” potentially high-floor and high-ceiling.
• Zero drops, elite contested catch stats, and “Roger Federer-ass receiving—looks effortless.”
• “He’s hiding in plain sight...he is a modern player.” – Danny Heifetz [16:19]
• Projected as a top-10 pick, fits with teams seeking plug-and-play WRs.

(2) Makai Lemon, USC [19:36–24:50]

• Comp range:
  • High: Amon-Ra St. Brown (but faster) — self-identified comp
  • Mid: Jarvis Landry
  • Low: Jalen Reagor
• 2025 Biletnikoff Award winner. Slot guy, physical, “has that dog in him,” excels at breaking tackles.
• Question is whether he’ll play outside or be limited to slot—“can play above his weight class.”
• “He gives me running back vibes after the catch.” – Craig [21:59]

(3) KC Concepcion, Texas A&M [26:08–31:24]

• Comp range:
  • High: Brandon Aiyuk
  • Mid: Khalil Shakir
  • Low: Dontayvion Wicks, Curtis Samuel
• Excels at separation, suddenness, post-catch explosion; hands can be inconsistent.
• Inspiring off-field for embracing his stutter publicly at the combine.
• Projects as late first/early second, can be "move" piece, punt returner floor.

(4) Jordan Tyson, Arizona State [31:33–37:21]

• Comp range:
  • High: (More explosive) Davante Adams
  • Mid: Jerry Jeudy
  • Low: AD Mitchell
• “NBA athleticism, but also NBA bad at catching in traffic.”
• Injury red flags: torn ACL/MCL/PCL, re-aggravated hamstring, but “has highest ceiling” in the class.

“[He] really does look like he’s taking people off the dribble.” – Danny Kelly [36:47]

(5) Denzel Boston, Washington [37:23–42:21]

• Comp range:
  • High: Tedroa McMillan (“could be that good”)
  • Mid: Michael Pittman Jr.
  • Low: Early-career Nico Collins
• 6’4", moves fluidly “plays big,” can separate and win at the catch point.
• Punt return ability at that size is rare.
• “Big guys who play big—aggression, tone-setter.” – Heifetz

(6) Omar Cooper, Indiana [42:30–46:52]

• Comp range:
  • High: Rashee Rice, peak JuJu Smith-Schuster
  • Mid: Jayden Reed, "Big Josh Downs," Greg Ward (low)
• Most productive in the slot; big, physical, great after catch, coach’s favorite.
• Not sure if he can win as an outside WR in the NFL.

(7) Chris Brazzell II, Tennessee [46:53–53:10]

• Comp range:
  • High: George Pickens (in movement), “malnourished Christian Watson” (Heifetz)
  • Mid: Robbie Chosen (Robbie Anderson), DJ Chark
  • Low: Denzel Mims, MVS
• Tall (6’4"), skinny, super fast, but “Tennessee offense guys never pan out” analysis.
• “This is what we always do—a year later, we’re like, oh, you can’t just bet on traits.” – Craig [51:57]

(8) Zachariah Branch, Georgia [53:32–59:25]

• Comp range:
  • High: Poor man’s Percy Harvin, one-in-14-million shot at Tyreek Hill
  • Mid: Tavon Austin
  • Low: Kadarius Toney, Malachi Corley
• Elite return man, RAC threat, “screen god,” but small (5’8", 177), limited route tree.
• “Pure lust pick—DK’s irrational love guy.”
• “If you need a guy to win at tag, this is your man.” – Heifetz [58:07]

(9) Jeremy Bernard, Alabama [60:01–63:44]

• Comp range:
  • High: Randall Cobb, Debo Samuel (not allowed per Heifetz)
  • Mid: Robert Woods
  • Low: D’Wayne Eskridge
• Gadget-y, utility WR/RB type, blocks, high IQ, “just a good football player.”
• Stats aren’t ideal, may go Day 3—but “jack-of-all-trades.”
• “He just does everything... strong, hard to take down, does everything right.” – Craig

(10) Chris Bell, Louisville [63:45–70:06]

• Comp range:
  • High: AJ Brown (“whispered comp”), Johnathan Mingo (low/mid)
  • Mid: Cedric Tillman
• Big, strong, fast; coming off ACL tear. “Not polished, wins with power, not precision.”
• AJ Brown type of size and movement, but projecting him as an NFL star “might be a setup for disappointment.”

Honorable Mentions

• Antonio Williams, Clemson – Lad McConkey comp, sudden mover.
• Zach Branch–see above.
• Additional names like Malachi Corley, Matt Collins, etc., briefly cited.

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3. Other Notable and Quirky Segments

Memorable Quotes & Banter

• Danny: “Do you like debris in your ice cream?” [02:07]
• DK: “He’s a competitor. He just wants to win every play.” (on Makai Lemon, 21:42)
• On player comps: “Stylistic. Stylistic.” [12:01]
• “I never try to compare anyone to Justin Jefferson, but I just think there’s a weird amount [with Tate].” – Heifetz [15:35]
• “He’s a siren song because he’s tall and super fast.” (on Chris Brazzell, 53:26)

Historical Sidebars & Humor

• Ping Bodie vs. Ostrich Spaghetti Contest [79:38–87:40]
  • MLB player Ping Bodie beat Percy the ostrich in a 1919 spaghetti-eating contest. The ostrich collapsed after eating its handler’s pocket watch.
  • “Ping Bodie was Babe Ruth’s roommate...and inspired Joe DiMaggio...” [81:10]
  • “Never underestimate how much pasta a tiny Italian man can eat.” [93:01]
• Basketball Jump Shot Origin Story [76:04–78:30]
  • “My buddy’s grandpa swore his friend, Whitey Skook, invented the jump shot.”

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4. Listener Engagement & Callbacks

• Reading and riffing on emails: audience’s grandparent sports inventions (“Whitey Skoog and the jump shot”).
• Reminder for fantasy/dynasty rankings post-draft, listener mailbag, and “bracket challenge” participation.

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• [02:33] — Kirk Cousins to the Raiders: breakdown and NFL QB apprenticeship
• [07:07/07:35] — Tom Brady’s “tragedy” quote and rookie QB discussion
• [12:02] — Carnell Tate WR comp banter kicks off top-10 countdown
• [16:53] — Detailed drop/catch stats for Carnell Tate
• [23:00] — Makai Lemon, Biletnikoff winner, and “running back after catch” vibes
• [28:16] — KC Concepcion’s self-scout: “After the catch, I try to play like Ja’Marr Chase…”
• [35:37] — Jordan Tyson: injury log and “NBA athlete, NBA hands derogatory”
• [37:47] — Denzel Boston: 6’4” punt returner, “big guy who plays big”
• [51:57] — Chris Brazzell: “This is what we always do…can’t just bet on traits”
• [57:13] — Zachariah Branch: “pure screen/gadget guy, maybe real lottery ticket?”
• [62:26] — On Jeremy Bernard: “Every coach worries about what their guys will screw up—he’s a guy you trust with the ball”
• [69:22] — Chris Bell and the trap of AJ Brown comps
• [78:48] — “Who really invented the jump shot?” (Whitey Skoog discussion)
• [82:02] — Recap and dramatic retelling of Ping Bodie’s spaghetti-eating contest with an ostrich
• [89:53] — DK’s take on emus/ostriches as dangerous animals

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Tone & Style

The show flows with relaxed, sharp-witted camaraderie. Draft insights are genuinely deep and nuanced, but never clinical—the hosts embrace tangents, identify with prospects, and lean into banter. Humor is self-aware, playful, and references both old-school sports oddities and modern analytics. They never shy from poking fun at themselves, their erroneous past takes, or each other.

“He’s a thirst trap—DK’s irrational love guy!” – Heifetz on Zachariah Branch [57:52]

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Summary Verdict for Non-Listeners

This episode is a must for NFL fans and draft nerds. The trio offer a detailed, personality-filled breakdown of a receiver class possibly deeper than “draft Twitter” thinks, tying in stats, contextual comps, and question marks. It’s laced with fun, from the seriousness of rookie QB trajectories to ostrich-eating contests and the uncertain legacy of Whitey Skoog. You’ll finish entertained and ready for draft day debates—plus, you’ll know way more about 6-foot-4 punt returners and why never to underestimate a small Italian guy with pasta.

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Transcript

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[B]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, AKA the Ringer NFL Draft show. My name is Danny Heifer. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Greg Horlebeck and we are going over the best receivers in the 2026 NFL Draft. DK yeah. People have said maybe this is a bad draft. The more I look at it, I think it's kind of good. But the receiver position is maybe the best or maybe the deepest position in the entire draft this year.

[C]

I would say off the top of my head, corners and receivers. There's a lot of very good players at those two positions and there's a lot of different types of receivers. Pick your flavor. There's anything that you want.

[D]

Any flavor.

[C]

Any flavor you want.

[D]

That'd be cool.

[C]

You could do like a sampler. Just like a. What a. What are the. Whiskey samplers?

[D]

Yeah. Or ice cream. That's where my head was going.

[B]

Yeah, me too. It's kind of like the combine really is kind of like a sampler.

[D]

Yeah. I'm a child, so I was thinking ice cream. DK is a man, so he's.

[B]

Do you guys like debris in your ice cream?

[D]

You know, Craig, you don't know. I don't. I don't really like toppings on my ice cream.

[C]

I like it. I like.

[B]

I like.

[C]

I don't know. I don't really like that you said debris, but yes, I like it.

[D]

Well, I feel like you saying debris led me to believe that you didn't like toppings, but I think you do.

[B]

I don't know. My brother started saying it.

[C]

Do you like contaminants to your ice cream or.

[B]

Give me more. That windshield.

[C]

Disgusting contaminants.

[B]

All right, let's get into Some news before we get into all these receivers I want to start. So the Raiders signed Kirk Cousins and I actually we have not talked about this or communicated this at all.

[D]

But you did on Instagram. You little, you little Instagram star. Now I saw that video.

[B]

There you go. You say Instagram star, she's taking to Instagram without it.

[D]

Are you going to start OnlyFans next? I would love that.

[B]

You said it like it was an only fans. So I read as Adam Schefter's tweet, he posted this and I read this and I actually thought it was still April Fool's Day with all the dumb April Fool's jokes he made or everyone makes. Because I just saw Schefter says Kirk Cousins signing five year, $172 million deal with the Raiders and I was like, is it, is this a joke? And then I realized that kind of it's a one year deal for $20 million with the Raiders that blah blah, blah could be three for 100. But he's signing a one year deal of $20 million. I actually think this is pretty significant. DK, what was your first reaction to this?

[C]

That we're not going to see Fernando Mendoza for a little bit here, which is probably good for him, good for the organization. It's going to be hard once the season starts to not get like everyone's going to want to see him play, I bet. But this is going to be good for him in the long, in the long run, basically get to learn behind a veteran. And Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins has played in a lot of places and a lot of different offenses and it's got to be exciting for the Raiders too, I think a little bit because Cousins at least theoretically is going to make the offense competitive. So I don't know. I think this is good for everybody. Even though it's going to kind of be disappointing for Mendoza stands and everybody kind of looking forward to watching him.

[B]

Craig, the jokes kind of write themselves here, right? With Fernando Mendoza learning Cousins in Vegas,

[D]

the comp was Kirk Cousins, you know, vibes wise, he is a Kirk Cousins style guy, mentally. Yeah, I think we need. I know that Hard Knocks is the Patriots, but I, I want it in Vegas badly.

[C]

Seahawks too.

[B]

I don't talk about this a lot, but I. My first job in the NFL is I worked at the Washington commander's building and I worked for the team website, which, you know, you work for the team but you were there in the building and you do see the players and Kirk Cousins was the quarterback this year. And he ended up talking about this in the Netflix show. But this dude's Notebook, like he, his actual planner, like he wrote what he's doing for every five minute segment of his day is the most organized thing I'd ever seen in my entire life segments. He had whole highlighters. Like it was like the first day of school.

[D]

6am that's day one. Noon to six. That's day two. I got you beat already. Six to midnight, boom. That's day three. I'm living 21 days a week that

[B]

you're not even in Vegas. You could do either way. Some people have that like 6am is the end of their fourth day in Vegas. You know what I mean?

[D]

Don't you think? Kurt Cousins, this is Shefter tweeted this, which is remarkable. This is the 11th straight season in which Kirk Cousins. His contract will be fully guaranteed. Not nobody, he's.

[C]

No one else has done it like Kirk Cousins.

[D]

Not only is this man maximizing his abilities financially, I would also say Kirk Cousins, his career like physically high. Fitz ties into what you're saying about like how he prepares himself for the game and all that stuff. I feel like Kirk's career basically went as well as it could have for how good he is.

[B]

Well, it's funny because it's. I think it's a good example of like sometimes you get money and it's not actually what you want. Life. Because Kirk Cousins, I think the money was just something that happened to him on the way. And all he ever wanted was to be named a starter of a team and be the team starter from college on to Washington. He was the second quarterback drafted in that Washington team after RG3. And then Washington gave him the job but wouldn't give him a contract.

[C]

GM didn't remember his name.

[B]

The GM didn't know the. Bruce Allen didn't know his name. Kirk Cousins. All he wanted was a team to say, you're the quarterback. You don't have to worry anymore. Kirk Cousins lived 12 years basically just like on edge to be replaced the next year. And he. But he's also an example of how the NFL system works of the best players don't make the most money.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

The players who are good enough that to get paid but bad enough the teams keep letting them leave that free agency. Yeah. Because they had free agency. Like Kirk Cousins made the money because he kept dating free agency. And then anyone could like the great players actually don't make as much. But in terms of the Raiders, I think, I think this is the right move. And I think benching Fernando Mendoza for a lot of the Benching is the wrong words. Letting him sit and learn is benching not exactly what's happening.

[C]

He. They benched his ass.

[D]

You have to, you have to play to be benched. You have to start.

[B]

I think this is the right move. I think it takes someone like Tom Brady to have the chutzpah to do it. But everyone's like, what's the number one pick you got to play. Why? Like, that wasn't the norm going in in the past. You have to have an apprenticeship as a quarterback. And I actually pulled this quote that Stephen, Tom Brady went on Stephen A. Smith's podcast a couple years ago.

[C]

How did you remember this?

[D]

You said this in your little video, your little Instagram video. Great.

[B]

Only fits video. But Brady went on Stephen A. Smith's pod, he said, I think it's a tragedy that rookie quarterbacks play early. Like a tragedy is what Brady called it. And I'm just going to read the quote. He said, the reality is the only reason why we have rookie quarterbacks play early is because we have, we've dumbed the game down, which has allowed young quarterbacks to play it used. The game he's talking about used to be thought of at a higher level. We used to spend hours and hours as quarterbacks in the off season, in training camp, trying to be a little bit better the next year. That's kind of old man shit.

[C]

But this is very boomery.

[D]

But then Brady says, kids in the video games.

[C]

Yeah, well, he's.

[B]

I mean, Tom Brady played through three CBAs, which is crazy because they're every 10 years. But Brady, then the next thing he says, I think what happens is it discourages coaches from going to deep levels because they realize the quarterbacks don't have the opportunity to go to a deep level. So they're just, the coaches just teach quarterbacks where they're at. That's true. Like, that's just true. Like, and that you see that with Tua running a bunch of, you know, RPOs in Miami. RG3 originally, they just gave him the Baylor offense. Like you do. See, I wouldn't call it dumbing down, but Brady says that. But I think overall, I don't. Roger sat for three years. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year. Like Tom Brady sat for a year. And I think it takes an owner level person to have Tom Brady's confidence and be like, no, he needs to sit and like, learn the habits professionally, how you treat people in the building how you go about studying and everything. I think it makes a lot of sense.

[C]

How many, how many first overall picks have sat for a, a whole season.

[B]

It's been a long time. Any I'm sure in the 20th century. I don't think since.

[C]

Yeah, I, I don't think cause Brady was a sixth round pick. That being said, I do agree with him. I, I do think this is what's best for Mendoza in the long run. Probably.

[D]

I agree. I. This is, this is smart. Also Kirk Cousins is, is the perfect kind of quarterback to learn from. Like it. It'd be one thing if the starter was not good and it was like you wouldn't necessarily want your guy to learn from him. But Kirk is like the perfect example of somebody you'd want to, to model your game after, especially like Mendoza. So. And it's nice for Raiders fans because half the time you know, your first run quarterback, you know, starts the season one and five and you're like, well it's over. And like at least now you can like delay your hope. You know, you can have a whole season of being like, ooh, how good is Mendoza going to be?

[B]

And you're also at letting everyone else prepare at a level that isn't at Mendoza's level. It's like Kirk Cousins, his ability to function the offense which again say what you want of Kir. Just a reminder, he finished 50 at the Falcons. The Falcons were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs on December 1st. Finished technically tied for the win the lead in the division. And if Kirk had played more of last year. I don't know, I actually think, I mean he certainly was healthy. He had the Achilles tear and then he looked bad. But I think he was clearly two years removed from the Achilles. He's. I think he's healthier and better now than he was actually two years ago coming off it initially. So I think this is a good move and I, I'm radicalized on this but especially when you hear people have been like, I. If you hear like Matt Hasselback, explain how much he learned. I don't know. Quarterbacks seem to all feel this way that it's like we're just thrown into the absolute wolves and you need a

[D]

couple years to get to Also like long term planning. Let's look at the division that the Raiders are in. They're going up against the fucking Chargers, the Broncos and the Chiefs. You don't. Mendoza doesn't, you know, you're not going to win this division this year. It's okay, you know like, let's plan for two, three years down the road here.

[B]

Yeah. So a lot of teams are lying when they say they'll bench their quarterback that they drafted really high. Not bench. Sorry. Sit. I think this one's gonna happen. I think we might not bench Mendoza's bench hench.

[D]

We should make that graphic.

[C]

First of all.

[D]

Pick benched. Fuck yeah.

[B]

Let's put that Instagram next to my. Yeah, my.

[D]

The first number one overall pick to be benched in 40 years.

[B]

Also, we should say we're recording this on Thursday, April 2nd, which is. So if any big bank happened between now and when we're. This goes up on Monday. That's probably Super Worth.

[D]

It's April 2nd. Happy birthday to my brother.

[B]

Happy birthday to Scott, who actually we brought on the show for Craig's birthday and just made fun of, told stories that embarrass Craig. Yeah. Okay.

[D]

Not hard. There's many of those out there.

[B]

All right, let's get into the best receipt. The best receivers in this class.

[D]

Yeah. How many do we have?

[B]

We have 10 guys and some honorable mentions.

[D]

Yeah. So we're gonna get into the top 10 guys.

[C]

11 top.

[D]

Sorry, 11 guys. And we're going to do the high end and low end comps. 50 shades of. Yeah. We're going to do the shades of. For these.

[C]

Do you want the middle two or do you just want the high end

[B]

and the low end?

[D]

I want you to start with high,

[C]

low, all of those.

[D]

I want you to start with high, low, and then hit me with the middle.

[C]

Ooh.

[D]

Okay. How about that?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Until. But again, this is like the best version of a guy's career. Like, if you look back, you're like, this guy was so much better than we thought. And then we look back, actually, this guy's so much worse than we thought.

[C]

That's not really how I looked at it. Actually. For me, it's more like the high end stylistic comp. Like, you're getting this type of player that, like, here's his statistics after seven years in the league. Okay.

[D]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

A little different.

[D]

It's the same thing. I think we're saying the same thing, kind of. I don't think you have to explain a high end comparison and a low end comparison. People will get it.

[B]

I think we're on the same page.

[C]

Stylistic. Stylistic.

[D]

Sure. So let's start with Carnell Tate.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Out of Ohio state. He is 6 to 192 lb. DK.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What is your high end comp for Carnell Tate? And what is your low income so

[C]

worst case, best case you're getting a Chris Olave type player. Worst case, Rashad Bateman, where some excitement around him coming into the league. I don't think where he landed helped him all that much but he was pretty much a disappointment as a first round pick so. And then the middle range for me is like a Terry McLaurin type of player too. Where not a superstar necessarily but a very good player going to put up multiple thousand yard seasons and I just think he has a really high floor. Carnell Tate does.

[D]

Do you think Chris Olave now knowing what he is, if you could go back in time. When was he picked 12th, something like that.

[B]

22. Oh yeah. He was 12th. The Saints traded up I think 12th pick.

[D]

That sounds like that, right? Do you think that that's worth it? That that his skill level, his talent right now is like a top 10, top 12 pick?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You do.

[C]

It was the 11th pick. Yeah. Because I think again it's. It is relative. You can't get a superstar with every first round pick and there's so many first round picks that end up being misses. I do think he's worth a first round pick.

[D]

Hi Vids.

[C]

You agree with that? That high, I mean of a first round.

[B]

I think Cardinal Tate's better than Chris Olave. I think he will be better than Chris Olave. I think all. I agree DK like all the Ohio State receivers at this point are like these incredible high floor guys.

[C]

But I know it's crazy.

[B]

My high end. It's funny, I wanted to make my high end really the highest end for Carnell Tate as like Justin Jefferson. Like that's like they have a weird amount in common and I could go into that but it's. I kind of think I should be

[C]

number two receivers on their own.

[D]

Wait, I want get into it. What do they have in common?

[B]

They. I would say first of all basically the same height. They're both like 6:1. They're basically the same weight. They're both like 195. I would say they're both weirdly happen to be at absolute elite blue blood programs. Receivers. Ohio State, LSU with Justin Jefferson and Cardinal Tate overshadowed by like the best receiver prospect in six or seven years. Where it's like it was Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson who's younger than them is Jeremiah Smith who's like Julio Jones reborn with Cardinal Tate. And I think Jefferson and Colonel Tate were don't really have any elite physical abilities. Not the elite size, not elite speed, not only acceleration. Like they have fluidity they have like body control and like polish and technique. In other words, like all the things you actually need to play receiver instead of the things that just coaches or scouts want to hear. But like the body control of Carnel Tate, the catching of the football. Like, I think Carnell Tate and Jefferson have like some Roger Federer ass receiving. And what I mean by that is looks effortless.

[C]

You're starting to. Yeah, I'm feeling this in my chest right now. This is actually making me really starting

[D]

to feel a tingle.

[C]

Sweat from six. Yeah.

[B]

I have a rule that, like Gronkowski and Justin Jefferson and you're not supposed to compare players, but I think there's actually a weird narrative similarity. And if nothing else, the receiving Colonel Tate, if nothing else, enters the NFL and I think could join the Mount Rushmore of the best players in the NFL at catching a football. Like, if you just know the game, Jackpot. At recess, you throw the ball up, who catches it? I think it's DeAndre Hopkins.

[D]

Three flies up.

[B]

Yeah, three flies up, sure. But like, you catch a ball, who's going to catch it? DeAndre Hopkins had the best hands in the NFL. Like, who's going to get it? And then it's T. Higgins, Justin Jefferson, and I think Cardinal Tate actually is right there in terms of the hands.

[C]

He's like T. Higgins at the catch point.

[B]

Yeah, my medium comp was Teeny Higgins. Like, he's just a smaller Teeny Higgins. At the very least, you should start doing this.

[C]

Maybe you can help me out on these comps.

[B]

I guess I try to talk. I try to talk to you when you do the comps. You don't want to talk to me. But the I, I.

[C]

What?

[B]

Well, no, you're just busy.

[C]

It's okay. Yeah, that's it.

[B]

But I.

[D]

Let's keep pulling on that thread.

[C]

You get, you get yourself on the phone with hyphens, you're going to be on the phone for 90 minutes minimum.

[B]

Yeah, that's my problem. It's true. But I. Anyway, I know I never try to compare anyone to Justin Jefferson, but I just think there's a weird amount. And if you don't want to do that, then I think, imagine if George Pickens was an academic All American. That's kind of also what I like about Carnell Tate.

[D]

What are you trying to say?

[B]

I don't know. George Pickens might be his third team academical American.

[C]

He's a knucklehead, Craig.

[B]

I think Cardinal Tate's fucking awesome.

[C]

Yeah, this, this, really?

[B]

I like that he I just feel like Cardinal Tate, everyone's like, well, he's good, but he's not great. No one wants to call Carnell Tate great. And I look and I'm like, isn't this everything that is succeeding in the NFL right now? Like, he's a modern player. He is like a professional. He's hiding in plain sight. He can move anywhere. It's like, you know, it's like Jackson, Smith and Jigba was supposed to be a power slot. He just won offensive player of the year. I don't know. I look at Colonel Tate, I think the ceiling is in all the places. Like he's can be absolute A plus elite at all the things that matter. For being a wide receiver, which is getting open and playing, doing every kind of route at every spot.

[D]

Is he a better prospect than Jackson, Smith and Jigbo dk?

[C]

Oh, good question. I think JSN had a lot better production coming into the league. So like, if you're looking at it analytically, but I think the perception of him as a prospect, yeah, he's probably considered higher and he's probably going to go quite a bit higher than JSN did in the draft.

[D]

JSN went like what, 18th, 19th?

[C]

Yeah, something like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think George is barking his head off on cue. Sorry about that.

[D]

Your dog okay? That's all right.

[B]

The dog is just like, don't you compare him to jsn.

[C]

How dare you.

[D]

My very high level opinion of Carnell Tate is that he seems fine and will be a solid receiver in the league and will be like a good. He could be a good number one on your team. Closer to a Chris Olave type thing. I think that's right. He gives me like Devonte Smith, like you love him on your team.

[C]

Devonte Smith is a good one too.

[B]

Yeah, well, similar to why I meant with Teeny Higgins where it's like the most. And again, Jefferson is the highest end, but I think the realistic one is Teeny Higgins. Cardinal Tate's probably like the best or second best number two receiver in the NFL right there with T and Devonte.

[C]

Couple stats on Tate real quick before we move on. He averaged 17 point yards per reception, so he's a deep threat. Last year, zero drops. He went 12 of 14 in contested catch situations according to PFF and 22 out of 32 in his career. He has crazy body control. When you go up in the air and he twists and contorts and goes over guys and plucks a football. It is very reminiscent of like A T. Higgins, where you're just like, I don't understand how he caught that. So I love this guy. I do agree. Maybe he doesn't profile as a, you know, pure number one and whatever that means, but I do think he's going to be a really good player.

[B]

You know, profiles. The number one, Justin Jefferson, who, like, only played in the slot.

[C]

He was the slot receiver and he was number two on his team. Yeah.

[B]

Can he play outside? Turns out, yeah. The only thing I'll say about Carnell Tate, so the places he could go, Browns at number six could take him. I don't know if we could talk about that as we get closer. Do you take a tackler receiver there? Washington could take him at 7. I think all the teams with Ohio State receivers like Ohio State receivers. So Terry McLaurin and Cornell Tate, Saints. The next pick, Chris Olavi and Colonel Tate. The Chiefs at nine could take him. I think Miami at 11 is like the lowest he'll go. Colonel Tate, my question for you guys, and I think my lowest comp for Cardinal Tate, because he's the highest floor player. I thought my lowest confirm was if he goes to Cleveland. It's like, how did you feel about Jordan Addison last year with Shadow Sanders? Like, Jordan addison Playing with J.J. mcCarthy is kind of like, if it's going to play with Shador or Deshaun Watson. I'm like, how valuable is that? I have no idea.

[D]

Yeah, I agree. He seems like a safe pick. Honestly, most of these Ohio State wide receivers, like 90 of them, Pan out recently.

[B]

It feels like crazy rate.

[D]

Don't.

[C]

Don't mention Marvin Harrison. Don't.

[B]

The idea that he might be the worst one is insane. It's totally on the table.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. The next guy here, Makai Lemon at a USC 511, which I think surprised some people. People thought he'd be a little bit shorter. 511, 192 pounds, DK. Give me your high end, low end, and middle range for Mikhail Lemon.

[C]

I think the high end for him, and this is stylistically again and sort of narratively, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Low end Jaylen Rager.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Remember, remember him? I think he was. People were very excited about him because of the yak ability. I liked him, the athleticism, all that stuff. That's kind of what makes me just a little nervous is because I think people are talking about Makai Lemon. He runs after the catch. He's really tough and physical after the catch and eludes tacklers. But he is primarily a slot guy at Least he was at usc. That's what Jackson, Smithy Jibba was in at Ohio State. Also not the fastest guy in the world and not the biggest guy in the world. Those are another two things that we kind of talked about with jsn. So that's like, why stylistically, they're a little different players. I think Makai Lemon is more rugged and physical. But some of the narratives that you're hearing about him, I think if Mikhailman can end up playing on the outside in the NFL, that'll surprise some people. But I wouldn't put it past him. But to me, the biggest question is how is he going to be deployed in the NFL?

[D]

So who's your. What's your middle range for him?

[C]

A guy like Jarvis Landry, something like that, where, you know, you get him over the middle of field. He's pretty productive, but maybe not like an elite player and not elite athlete. I think I saw. I think I stole that from someone. I apologize. I can't remember off the top of my head who it is. Brett Whitefield, I think he mentioned that. But that, to me, that click too, is where it's just a really tough, rugged interior receiver who's probably going to be pretty productive, but maybe not the fastest guy in the world.

[D]

Hi, Fitz. Where is he?

[B]

For you, I have Makai Lemon. My high end was a Monroe St. Brown, but faster. And I think that they both went to usc, but Mikhail Lemon literally is like, I look at my game like a Monroe St. Brown. They're also like same size, same height, same weight. And Mikhail Lemon, honestly, same kind of player. Can a Monroe play in the slot, Move around? Turns out, yeah, but he's even a Monroe had. Half his snaps are outside. But. But Makai Lemon, I think he's faster than a Monroe. He blocks his ass off like a Monroe. Like, you can tell he.

[C]

He's got that dog in him kind of guy got that dog. He just. He just is a physical, wants to win every play. Yeah, he is just a competitor.

[B]

Yeah, competitor. And some receivers take a route off. Some receivers take it when they're not getting the ball. Some receivers don't want to block if it's going. Mikhail Lemon is. Is just going like never doesn't stop, which I love.

[D]

He reminds me of a running back. Like, once he catches the ball, if you just turned on the. The film, once he's already has the ball, I would think he's a running back.

[B]

And that's the thing. Look, in a perfect prospect, everyone's like, size like Calvin Johnson as fast as Calvin Johnson, like has acceleration like Tyree Kill and so. But at some level then the next group after those guys are all, you're elite at stuff, but then you're average at something else. And Mikhail, I mean, is totally average in, in size and he's kind of average in speed. Everything else is phenomenal. He's a great, like, his hands are great. Like I, I think he's great at catching in traffic. He's physical. I. He's the kind of player I really love. I. The way I describe my Kyle Lemon, he gets a lot of. And ones like when cornerbacks or defensive backs are trying to like foul him or get there early, he'll just catch it anyway.

[C]

Yeah, he is incredible at the catch point in terms of just want to body control to go up and he doesn't. He's not very big obviously, but he, he plays above his. His weight class at the catch point. This is the BaliTnikov winner. In 2025, he literally won the award

[B]

for the best receiver in college football.

[C]

Yeah, he broke 21 tackles according to PFF, which is eighth in the country. Almost half of his yards came after the catch. So he's. He's definitely sort of the short and intermediate demon, but he also caught 16 passes of 20 plus yards, which was third most in the country. So he wasn't just a short and intermediate guy. He. He is able to go vertical.

[B]

We start. Dk, can you do that entire analysis again, but just do the Makai head nod the whole time.

[C]

He, he just like, you know, he. He's. He's. Well, this is like, I think a great example. He's intense. He's just an intense dude. This is why I've heard some people compare him to Steve Smith. I don't think he's. He's not as physical as Steve Smith

[B]

or as expensive physically being punched multiple times. Senior.

[C]

Right. But I think he's kind of, you know, personality wise. There were very intense people. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Plenty of time for him to punch.

[D]

Plenty of time for him to punch people.

[B]

Ken Lucas deserved it.

[C]

Just. Just two drops last year too. He has great hands also.

[B]

His dad played running back at unlv. So Craig, I think that's the Mai limit. The running back. You see, his dad literally was a running back.

[D]

He gives me running back vibes.

[B]

Multiple uncles also of his played pro baseball like his athlete family.

[D]

Can we quickly just for a second read the last. Can I read you the last 15? I'll go quick. Bnikov winners.

[C]

Oh, no, I Actually can picture a couple of these now.

[B]

I think about a lot of remarkable.

[D]

Hold on, hold on. I'm gonna start. Okay. You guys want to say him or go do it?

[C]

I'm just kind of, like, guessing, actually, but no, go ahead.

[D]

Are we done? Okay. I'm going to start in 2010 and work my way up to now.

[B]

Lettercroft is also for the best receiver in college football.

[D]

Yes. Justin Blackman, Marquis Lee, Brandon Cooks, Amari Cooper, Corey Coleman, Dee Dee Westbrook, James Washington, Jerry Judy, Jamar Chase, Devante Smith, Jordan Addison, Jalen Hyatt, Marvin Harrison Jr. Travis Hunter, Mai Lemon.

[C]

There's some misses in there.

[D]

Kind of a mess of a list, to be honest. That's like a 30% hit rate.

[B]

It's crazy, too, because some of the

[D]

guys even being, like, productive, like Marquis, Lee Brand. I mean, Brandon Cooks was fine, like Corey Coleman, D.D. westbrook, James Washington. This is crazy.

[C]

Different game, guys.

[B]

Jaylen Hyatt don't even get. We'll get to him later. Amari. Justin Blackman was incredible, and he had off the heat.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, Blackman was great, but. But, like, this is a tough stretch.

[B]

It's. Well, that's the thing, is stats don't work. Like, that's. I think everyone's gotten better, especially in, like, fantasy, too, and Dynasty. People are better and just overall, people are better at looking at rate stats, things adjusted for strength to schedule an opponent. Like, yeah, you just kind of look at yards and touchdowns and it's. College football's funny. So every Heisman photo is like that, too. If you look at old Heisman photos of the four guys, it's literally the dragon meme, where it's like three guys that are just like elite NFL players. And then like, Diego Pavia is in the photo. And it's like every single year, if you go through the Heisman, it's just three guys that are incredible and one guy that you forgot existed.

[D]

Well, and like, usually, sometimes there's. The guy who wins the Heisman is like, it's like Tim Tebo, where it's like, he's. He's the best at college. It's like American Idol or sometimes, like, clearly, Carrie Underwood's going to be the one even though she didn't win, you know?

[B]

Yes. That's actually. That's actually perfect. You're like, we know who's the star.

[D]

We know.

[B]

We. We all know.

[D]

Yeah. Um, okay, number three guy here, K.C. concepcion, even though his name is Kevin Concepcion, but the kc, The KC is stands for Kevin Concepcion. So he's like Kevin Concepcion. Concepcion.

[B]

That's why we call him DK Kelly.

[D]

That's right. Whoa. From Texas A&M. 511. 190 DK. High end, low end.

[C]

So the high end for me, Brandon Auk. Well, maybe previous to this latest. Whatever's happening with him. And then the low end would be a guy like Don Tavian Wicks.

[D]

Both those guys feel bigger to me than I think.

[C]

And Casey Concepcion feels bigger on the field than. Than 511 one night. I don't know why. Maybe it's just the uniform differences or body composition. I think he's kind of a lower cut guy. So he has like a long torso and he just looks taller. I don't know what it is.

[B]

Let me tell you what it is. Casey Concepcion has the best receiver number. I've decided. Do you guys know what it is? It's number seven. Every receiver. Every receiver that hasn't thought to wear seven's insane. It's a perfect number for receiver.

[C]

So let me give you a quick elevator pitch. Why I chose those two guys. He's very sudden. Just the movement. He just moves differently than everybody else on the field. I feel. I felt that when I was watching Ayuk in college. I feel that when I watch Concepcion run routes, run away from guys after the catch, all that stuff. He's just sudden. But the hands thing is a little bit of a concern. And he'll make these incredible ridiculous catches over a guy and then drop the easy one. So that's kind of why I thought of Don Tavian Wicks. And Wicks also is another guy who, you know, he's a good route runner and he gets open and he has these flashes but just can't really put it all together. So that's kind of where I want that. I think the mid range guys, something like a Khalil Shakir where he's just very. After the catch can make guys miss. Very smooth mover. Just a natural feel for getting yards after catching, weaving through the defense.

[D]

Hi, Vince.

[B]

My. The. I think I wanted for the highest end. I actually wanted to just quote Casey Concepcion and how he looks at his own game. And he says this is like. Guys, he watches. He says releases. I like to watch Devonte Adams top of the route. I like to study Justin Jefferson after the catch. I try to play like Jamar Chase.

[C]

Of course. Course. This is like the David Montgomery scouting.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Back in the day.

[B]

Feet of Saquon.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The power of.

[C]

I don't even remember who it was.

[B]

Power of Derrick Henry. Yeah. But no, I think it's like this has been said. I think it's Stefan Diggs before the catch. But then what if Stefan Diggs became Brandon Ayuk after the catch because Casey Concepcion, he. It's rare to find guys that are as good after the catch who also have the just the ability to separate. I think Casey Concepcion separation is incredible. But he also is just great after the catch and I think he's phenomenal. He also. So he has a speech impediment. Casey Concepcion talks with a stutter. He actually said he basically he repeats a lot of some words he might just repeat multiple times in a sentence. And he said at the combine that he basically ashamed is the wrong way. He just used to be, you know, self conscious about it. But he actually wanted to do a press conference at the combine specifically for people would have stutters to realize like it's not a big deal and like, you know, so it, it was actually like heartwarming to hear him talk about wanting to be an inspiration for people's stutters. So I wanted to mention that. But the, his, the to DK's point about the suddenness of just the way he moves. I mean Casey Concepcion like at the very least I had at my low end as Curtis Samuel because at the very least I'm like, I think this guy is just like a guy that they are going to try to get the ball for design touches and is going to be like an elite punt returner at the absolute worst.

[C]

Yeah, he's, he's a good punt return good. Just spatial awareness, acceleration, ability to beat guys like to the, to the angle I guess or whatever. And so yeah, he, he's just really exciting to me. I think he's maybe a step down from the first two guys in my rankings but I would be super stoked to have him if you pick him in the first round.

[D]

You think he will be a first rounder?

[C]

It sure feels like it. It sure feels like that's kind of where he's being projected. I, you know, you never really know, but I think he's in that range for sure. He's probably going to be like a, like a later in the first type of guy.

[D]

I would love to see a list of how many guys, how many wide receivers under 6ft tall go in the first round on average.

[B]

So I think that the way the

[C]

NFL works definitely not top 10 a lot.

[B]

Yeah, they want teams are geared toward number one receivers or like ex receivers like Denzel Boston I think is a guy that will go in the first round because there's only so many guys that are 6 foot 5, have the size and actually can play as like a true X receiver outside on a boundary. Those guys I think just end up going high and then guy, Makai Lemon, I I Makai Lemon and Casey Concepcion, I do think they go because everyone just wants explosive plays. But I agree DK later in the first, I think, I mean the Rams could take Kevin Casey Concepcion 13, I wouldn't be shocked. Jets could take him at 16. I think the Steelers could take him at 21, the Browns at 24, Buffalo at 26 if they didn't take a D.J. moore. And then I think the Dolphins at 30. Like all those teams are guys. I don't know if they're in position to pass up a guy like this.

[D]

I did. If the Steelers got some quick little shifty guy to pair with Pittman and dk, I would love that. Dk, I wanted to ask you, where do you think if you had to place all these guys into tiers? Who is in tier one? Is it these three guys? Is it just Carnell Tate and Makai Lemon who's in tier one?

[C]

I would say for me it's Tate in tier one. And then. Okay, Lemon and Concepcion and Tyson and Boston and Tier 2.

[D]

Okay, well then let's keep going. Let's get to Jordan Tyson out of Arizona state at number four here, 62203 pounds. DK, give me your high end, low end for Jordan Tyson. I love Jordan Tyson.

[C]

High end Devonte Adams. The way that he gets off the line of scrimmage, the way he separates from guys and spins corners around and just so twitchy and quick footed. That's kind of what he reminds me of. Devonte Adams. And then the low end version would be someone like A.D. mitchell who I really like Davey Mitchell's tape and his route running and he just, I don't know why, can't catch the ball at the catch point for whatever reason. You just see so many like big opportunities that just don't quite make it. You know what I mean? So but Tyson for what he's worth has, for what it's worth has way better production profile than 80.

[B]

Mitchell I first of all, the Devont Adams comp, I agree is like a more exploit Jordan. Tyson's like a more explosive Devonte Adams because Devont Adams though also was not a good catcher of the football his first two years. He had a huge drop rate. So I think that is the other part of the comp that works the 80 Mitchell thing gets me. I had Jerry Judy and I think that those. The reason as his lowest end version for Jordan Tyson. And the reason is Those both work. 80 Mitchell works for the drops. Because the problem with Jordan Tyson is he's an end. His brother's first round pick for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Brother's an NBA athlete and I think Jordan Tyson is like NBA athleticism. Complimentary.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But frankly, Jordan Tyson is like NBA physicality derogatory. And so it's. He. He's not a great receiver of the football. He's not great with the hands. It's not great with the contact. Not great with all the things that you actually want in a receiver, like Mki Lemon. Smaller, less explosive, but better at going and getting a football. And then I had Jared Judy because I also think there's a lot of wasted footwork, like a lot of like freelancing a lot, which is always. You never know if that's fixed.

[D]

Judy was known as like the ultimate route technician and he had the best feet and footwork.

[B]

That's what he wants you to think.

[C]

That was that. That was a narrative.

[D]

Coming out of college. It was like he's the best route runner we've seen in years.

[B]

Yes. But then what happens is you get obsessed with that. And so you. It's like looking at bodybuilder. Yeah. You're jacked. But then what you care about is actually looking in the mirror function. So they call tick tock routes now. And it's like this disease among teenagers

[C]

where it's like takes you five seconds to get open or whatever. Yeah. Doing spins on your hand like a break dancer.

[B]

He's like doing tricks on the point guard.

[D]

Like going through his legs behind the back. Not going anywhere.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So the most devastating thing I've heard any person say about any player all draft season was Ollie Connolly. He does a great substack called Read Optional, which is, I think the funniest name I've heard. Read optional for a football newsletter is Paid is funny, but I should have

[D]

been the name of our show. That's good.

[B]

Read Optional.

[D]

Read Optional is a good name.

[C]

I think he would notice if we changed it. Yeah.

[D]

So let's change it. Maybe he'll sue us. Let's. Let's fight him. Lawyers.

[B]

Exactly. Ollie Connolly said that Jordan Tyson thinks he's Kyrie Irving, but he's actually Brandon Jennings. That's tough.

[C]

I wish I understood that.

[D]

That's actually perfect because Brandon Jennings is like has elite handle but cannot do half of what Kyrie can do you know the Carson.

[B]

You know that it's Carson Wentz time. Carson Wentz. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like that's Brandon Jennings. Like it's Brandon Jennings time. Brandon Jennings.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think so. And I brought this up before there were. He has. It's an interesting sort of contradiction because Tyson has a very big catch radius and he will, he will have plays where he goes up really high and grabs like an off target pass, you know, and reels in these really high degree of difficulty plays. But then there's too many times. And this is what I see with A.D. mitchell, I feel like is he just kind of gets pushed off his route and then doesn't even have an opportunity to make the catch down the field or just doesn't position himself very well to make a catch when it's. When it's a 50. 50 ball. So I just think he needs to play a little stronger. I think he has all the tools. The other thing to mention, of course, is he's been injured every year that he was in college. That's a, That's a worry. I don't know if it's as big of a worry as people are making now to be because a couple of these were a little bit fluky. Like the collarbone thing.

[D]

Collarbone, hamstring, not a big.

[C]

The hamstring thing does worry me a little bit because he's still dealing with that right now.

[B]

He re aggravated the hamstring hamstring last year, collarbone broken the year before that, and then did not play in 2023 because he tore his ACL, MCL and PCL at the end of 2022.

[C]

So I don't know.

[D]

That is. We've already seen him be incredible after

[B]

that, so that's fine. But we saw that with Michael Penix. I think the point is if you tear the ACL again, it's the second time on the knee. Like it matters. It's not nothing.

[D]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

I'm not saying it affects. I'm not saying it can't be explosive. I'm saying it's. It's something. When you're talking about whether you're a first round pick. I think my thing with Jordan Tyson, I. It's what DK said last week when we talked about him. I think Jordan Tyson has the highest ceiling in the. In this draft because again, he's actually more explosive than Devonte Adams. And it's not impossible that Jordan Tyson's drafted by the Rams and gets to learn footwork from Devonte Adams. And Devonte Adams is the Only one of all the receivers that I think could have played in the NBA different circumstance. Devonte Adams has NBA level footwork. Like that's why he's able.

[D]

But like body positioning, you know, the way he like boxes people out is very basketball esque. Yeah dude. The Rams taking him at 13 to slot him in with Puka and. And Devonte and learn behind Devonte.

[B]

But it's not just the box. Yeah. It's the release. It's the first second off the line of scrimmage. It's your first four steps like that off the dribble off. It's the same thing.

[C]

It really does look like he's taking people off the dribble.

[D]

It's why Devontae's so good inside like the five yard line because he just has to like juke somebody, get open. And that's why he has 14 touchdowns.

[B]

And so you win that way with intentionality. And I think Jordan Tyson lacks that but that doesn't mean he can't do it. So I actually think if he went to the Rams, I actually think he could be on a Hall of Fame track.

[D]

I like Jordan Tyson a lot.

[C]

He has a. He was one of the in. In this class. Had. Has one of the best analytical profile statistics. He was. He broke out early in his career. So he. He's definitely a guy that I'm very interested in.

[D]

He's the only guy that clearly jumps off the screen to me. Like when I watch him I'm like wow.

[C]

And I should say yeah, the tools.

[D]

Another guy who jumps off the screen to me is Denzel Boston out of Washington. He's 6 4, 209 pounds. DK. Give me your high end, low end.

[C]

I don't know how high to go with this because I feel like my high end comp you guys aren't gonna like. This would be more like a mid range but Cortland Sutton type player. Just a guy that can box out, win at the catch point. Maybe someone like this is probably too much. But now I'm forgetting his name.

[D]

The.

[C]

The Cowboys guy that was DEZ Bryant. Like someone like that where he's just so good at the catch point. Dominates people the smaller corners, you just throw it up for him. You know he's going to come down with it. That's the type of player Denzel Boston is. He. He boxes out. He has a very natural feel for using his frame to just keep corners out of the picture kind of deal. And he has great hands. Very rarely drops the ball. The low end version of that is like a Josh Dotson who I remember coming into the league. Kind of the idea was he's just so good at the catch point. But the problem is sometimes he couldn't separate. So I think Boston has the ability to separate, but that's kind of, this is one of the question marks. You, you come coming into league is, is he just a contested catch guy? Because that doesn't really work in the NFL. You have to be able to run routes and separate two.

[B]

So I, I think Denzel Boston actually he's able to separate. My high end for Denzel Boston is Ted Roa McMillan. Honestly just, yeah, that's exactly, could be that good.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The Courtland Sutton, Michael Pittman's a good mid range. I think the, my, my low end for Denzel Boston was Nico Collins. But the first two years of his career when no one cared about him and he got like 30 yards a game.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Before he actually was good. It's just like he will play outside receiver and be anonymous, but he can play because he's big and like he, Denzel Boston will play in the NFL. Just a matter of whether he actually becomes anything. I think, I think to your point, dk, I think that is the right question with Denzel Boston. Is he, he's not, he doesn't have the top end speed of like Mike Evans or A.J. brown or Nico Collins of those like other guys that are huge and fast unicorns. He's Denzel Boston's lacks the top end, but he's twitchier. Again, he's a six foot four punt returner. You don't see that a lot.

[C]

I know he had a, he had a touchdown or two.

[B]

He had a punt return touchdown.

[D]

Why the Ted McMillan comp I like because there's just like a lot of energy and, and agility for his size. Like going in and out of breaks when he has the ball and it has to like shake people for how big he is. He is really, really agile, which I like a lot.

[C]

Yeah. Craig, this is what, what I wrote my, my scouting report on him was big bodied pass catcher who plays with a hard to find combination of fluidity and power.

[D]

He does.

[B]

I, I, I to that point too. I, sometimes I'm like we should make a checklist of just like little follow ups. Denzel Boston's big, but he plays big. Sometimes big guys don't play big like the Josh Dockson to your point. He was at tcu. You're not playing some guys if you're big and you can't get open you're relying on contested cats. That means you can't get open. Denzel Boston actually can get open. He can beat press coverage. Like, he can do all that. He, it's not all contested catches, but he, when he has to contest the catch, he goes and gets the ball, which you need big guys who play big, which is important. So I think the aggression, it's kind of like a tone setter. I, I like Denzel Boston a lot. You know, it's funny, I was going through this episode and I was prepping, I was like, why have we been calling this a bad draft? I'm like, I actually think all these guys, someone's always bad. But I'm like, I'm looking. I'm like, these are all like real NFL players, man. I, I think especially this line. I think Boston's a first rounder.

[C]

The receiver group is probably the most exciting group in the, in the draft.

[B]

I, I, yeah. And I'm curious what you think about this dk, because this thing about where Denzel Boston goes and let's just say for a second he falls to the second round.

[C]

Well, because we had that mock where he did fall to the second round, I think. Right?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. And that was like, I don't see that happening now.

[B]

Well, I think because the teams at the back end, like maybe the Miami Dolphins, if they take Cornell Tate with the first pick, maybe they wouldn't take another receiver. The Chiefs. We'll see what happens. But I was thinking about, if you look at the second round, the first picks are the jets, who absolutely need an X receiver like that. With Garrett Wilson, I think the Titans, the index receiver, they have like Calvin Ridley and Khmer dk. The Raiders probably. Do you know what I mean? With. And then even Cleveland, 39 fashion, he

[C]

hasn't really done anything. Yeah.

[B]

And I think all the. If Boston fell to the second round, I think actually one of those teams are going to move back up into the first and go get densely Boston. Yeah. And they Back at the first.

[C]

I think there is a world. I don't know if this will happen. This is maybe going to be a big surprise for people, but there's a world when he's the second receiver taken. Because I think everything we talked about with Lemon, he's just alluring.

[D]

There's a lot you can talk yourself into with him.

[C]

He, I had. He caught 10 of 13 contested catches from. Pff, just two drops. He has awesome hands, concentration, body control, physicality. He plays above the rim. And he's. I think he could play on in the slot. I think he would be a really good guy that can just move around the formation, win over the slot. He's really good at in breaking routes. What are you gonna say hi?

[B]

Well, in jsn, remember the NFC championship game a few times JSN lined up in the backfield and they basically land like a running back. Random running back, which was running backs. Yeah. Running backs lining up at receiver. It's way more valuable for a receiver to line up as a running back. Denzel Boston did that a couple times at 6 foot 4, which.

[C]

So yeah, yeah, he's a great athlete. Yeah, I really like him. There's a lot. There's a lot to like about him.

[B]

I think those are the five receivers that would go in the first round are Carnell, Tate, Makai Lemon, Casey Concepcion, Jordan, Tyson and Denzel Boston. Is that. Do you. Do you feel that way, dk? I think those are the five guys.

[C]

I think those are the favorites. There's one more guy that has gotten a lot of first round buzz and that's Omar Cooper from Indiana.

[D]

Yeah, let's get to him Next then. He's 6 foot 204 pounds. What do you see as your high end for Omar Cooper?

[C]

So again, this is field on the field. Rasheed Rice, guy that can take the ball over the middle and run after the catch. He's really good on deep crossers, big physical breaks, tackles. Just a natural feel for spacing and getting open. Makes circus catches. He is an interesting one though because he played outside early on in his career and then they put him in the slot his final season at Indiana and that's where he really thrived. And I don't know if he's going to be an outside receiver at the next level. So this is kind of a similar question as you get with like Makai Lemon, where, what's the role? How. How highly do teams value a guy who maybe is primarily going to be a slack? I don't. I'm not saying he's only going to be a slot guy, but that's kind of where he thrived this last year. And he's kind of one of those big physical yak guys. And I don't know if that's a first round pick. It's usually more of like a second round pick, so we'll see where he goes. But I really like him. I mean I. As you watch him, you just grow to like this guy a lot because he's tough, physical catches everything. He's a quarterback's best friend. He runs after the catch. He's just a football player. So there's a lot to like. I just don't know if the profile is a first round pick.

[B]

Yeah. And again, sometimes the guys who fall or don't have a great physical trait, but just like are kind of ballers good at football.

[D]

I love.

[C]

Sorry, I forgot to do my low end comp. My, my, my high end comp is Rashid Rice or peak juju. My low end comp is current juju.

[B]

Oh, that's me. Can't move. He's the oldest 28 year old man in the world. I, Omar Cooper. I. So my high end comp was. It's. I don't know, Brandon Ayuk. I feel like it's. I was. I didn't want to do Debo because Debo's on my list of people you're not allowed to compare people to unless you blend them a little. My medium range is Jaden Reed. I think Omar Cooper reminds me a lot of Jaden Reed is incredible with ball in his hands. Is he a slot or can he play elsewhere? But he plays like a grown ass man. That's why I love Jaden Reed and

[C]

I love big Josh Downs.

[B]

Big Josh Downs. Yeah. And it's like, can they play elsewhere? I don't know, but they're talented. My low end for Omar Cooper was Greg Ward. You remember that guy, he was in the XFL or something that went to the Eagles when they were all injured. He was number one for two months.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[B]

But like he's small, but he just was like, oh, he just. This guy is. I don't know, he's in the NFL, but he's just like kind of just racking up 85 yards a game for the Eagles down the stretch. I, I think Omar Cooper. So the game, Indiana's game plan was get the ball to Omar Cooper like at halftime of the national championship game. Kurt Signetti. Because Miami kind of dominated Indiana the first half. Ruben Bane really did. And Kurtzig that he's like, we'll be fine early on.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And he's like plans to get the ball to number three, but like that was kind of the whole thing. So the thing with Omar Cooper, I don't look at him as he's a slot only guy. I look at Omar Cooper as the same way they did with Jackson, Smith and Jake with the Seahawks. They're like, we're just gonna make every single thing for him the easiest thing possible. But what that ends up looking like. And Matt Harmon does A great job. Reception, perception, breaking all this down. He's a great site, great pod. But Matt Harmon was pointing out that Omar Cooper was basically never aligned outside or on the line of scrimmage because what they. When you're offset, that means they can't press cover you, so no one can jam you. So that can be seen in two ways. Well, this guy sucks. Like, they don't think he can, like, handle press or he can't handle outside, or they're like, no, we put our best. Why do we give. You know, it's like, why do you give your toughest battles to your strongest warriors? It's like, give the strong warriors the easy fucking battles. It's like, puts Justin Jefferson in the slot. Put them all set. Why are you letting one hit Justin Jefferson? Line of scrimmage. And so I think that's what Indiana did with Omar Cooper. So he just kind of had the easy button every time. But a lot of screens. But I. I don't know. I want. He's the kind of player I want to be great in the NFL. He.

[C]

He has a lot of. He strains really hard after the catch. So he's breaking tackles, he's spinning off of guys. He's straining to get the first down, straining to get into the end zone. I think coaches will love him because he. He's really reliable and tough. He has strain.

[B]

Reminds me of constipated, but I know what you mean.

[C]

Football guys like that word strain. I. I hear it a lot in, like, gm.

[D]

Is that like. Like. Like an exertion?

[B]

Straining?

[C]

Yeah, exactly. You're not just, you know, trying for a little bit and then giving up? It's like. It's the. It's a happy get more thing. You don't just look for your dog for an hour and then give up. You got to get out there and you find your dog.

[B]

That's true. It's like the tie. The scale of how easily are you tackled from Tyler Lockett to Debo or Puka Nakua?

[C]

Totally, totally.

[B]

Like, yeah. Omar Cooper, he doesn't go down.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

Okay, next guy here, Chris Brazil or Brazers. Yeah, I feel like. I think that's how you pronounce it. The second at a Tennessee 6 for 198 pounds. I'm going to give you guys my comp off my brief scouting of this. Man. It's just skinny Marquez Valdez. Scantling.

[B]

Oh, no. Oh, that's perfect.

[C]

That's not great for me.

[D]

Somehow skinnier. Mbs.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Because he. I think he's like eight pounds skinnier.

[B]

So I did BMI for the first time ever. I, I, I actually never looked into bmi. Yeah but for the, for NFL players. But I was like what's the threshold? And I was like well devonte Smith I was like he's like the skinniest guy I could think of and he's 23. And then Vitivea was like the thickest guy I could think of and he's 42. 42 and then so on this 20 this Devonte Smith to vitive scale Chris Brazers here is like half a BMI bigger than Devonte Smith. He's basically the same thinness.

[D]

Yeah. 64198.

[C]

Yeah this is a, this is a or a body profile that didn't really work for a really long time in the NFL. However I will say it has been working a little bit more just the way the game is going to. George Pickens is probably the best example of this. He's like six three, 200. There's, there's a handful of guys that are kind of coming like browsers don't move like Ryan Thomas Jr. I don't remember what his weight was but he's kind of in the same mold. A super skinny, very fast guy. The downside would be and this is my mid range slash down side is a dj, DJ Chark type player or Denzel Mims who came into the league. Everyone.

[D]

Oh I loved men.

[B]

You too?

[C]

I think Brad's.

[D]

I love Denzel Mims.

[C]

We all loved.

[D]

I still believe.

[B]

Where is it I never love Denzel Bibbs. Don't put that on me. Ricky Bobby still here.

[D]

He's. He's on the Dallas Renegades. Damn it.

[C]

Is he really nice. He's still playing.

[B]

You remember he had the Sam. He claimed he got a food poisoning from salmon or mercury poison. He lost 20 pounds in jets training camp once.

[C]

He didn't have room to lose.

[D]

He was good for a second there.

[C]

Yeah. Anyways so yeah I think that that Craig you bring up a great point like this body type is not typically that super successful in the NFL. He but I do think he has pretty rare body movement and control. That's the thing that kind of drew me to him and gets me excited about what he could be in the NFL. Same way George Pickens just moves a little bit different. The way he can drop his weight and cut and come back to the football and change directions really quickens. I don't know if he's to Pickens level but I think he's in the ballpark. So, yeah, I'd say that's kind of the only thing that gets me excited about him. This Tennessee offense, not a great track record.

[B]

Been waiting for you to say it.

[C]

Yeah. And that's kind of the thing is he. To me, he is more just like a dart throw at a guy who moves different. And he. He has some pretty incredible catches on tape as well. But he is an outside guy that can get down the field and he can run a few routes. If you develop his route, tree a

[B]

little bit

[D]

tall, skinny, fast guy that runs straight.

[B]

I. Mvs. I. Yeah, I. My high end comp.

[C]

You don't want him. I understand that. I actually do. I think he's got a wide range of outcomes here.

[B]

Yeah. My high end comp for Chris browsers here was malnourished Christian Watson. Like, imagine Christian Watson just didn't have the energy to run after the catch.

[D]

Watson to me. How much heavier is he? Watson to me, feels even though he's hurt all the time, feels way sturdier.

[B]

Well, he's feistier. And like Robbie Anderson's the mid range.

[D]

But I get Robbie chosen.

[B]

Robbie chosen. Mvs, though, is a good comp because again, the problem for me is Tennessee. And first of all. So Chris Brazil Brazzler's here. He's from Midland, Texas. Shout out Midland. Great band in Midland. Dk. I hope you remember to thank them.

[D]

Is it Midland? The Friday Night Lights? No. Do they play Midland in Friday Night Lights?

[B]

Probably. I need to watch Friday nights. Friday Night Lights. I won't lie.

[D]

The movie or the show?

[B]

The show. I watch the movie.

[D]

Movie rips.

[B]

I gotta watch the show.

[C]

The.

[B]

Everyone's screaming right now. I'll watch Friday Night Lights. Fine. His dad, Chris Brazil's dad was an NFL receiver. But here's the thing. He went to Tennessee. He also went to Tulane. Went to Tennessee. I don't know how to evaluate this guy. I can't. I kind of refuse to. I'm scarred by Jalen Hyatt and the Giants, but the Tennessee offense, for the

[D]

people who don't know, Belitnikov winner. Jalen.

[B]

I exactly hate that guy. Hate that clown.

[D]

I hate that clown.

[B]

Hate that clown. But the Tennessee offense, it's like the spreadiest of the spread. Like it's. It's not real. Like it's. It's like that motherfucker's not real. The receivers look like they're. It's like the NBA offenses now where the guys just post up in the corners. Like they use the whole width of the field. So the receivers are just standing. Basically. They look like coaches. You know, March Madness is like the coach kind of runs on the court a little bit. Like that's where the receivers are. And then they're running a play every 15 seconds. And it's like fake. It's like there's nothing real about it. It's. You might as well be playing handball or hurling, honestly, with the spacing and so I don't know how to evaluate this person. All I know is everyone has gone through this program has been bad and underwhelming. It's like, it's just Cedric Tillman and Jalen Hyatt, Dante Thornton, like these guys. I. I am a little scared to dismiss a guy who's 6 foot 4 and could run a 4, 3, 7. And I get that. I also don't want to.

[D]

This is what we always do. Look at you being like, oh, six foot four, four, three sets like milk Kyber. Six foot four, four, three, seven. But like, isn't this. This is what we always say a year later, looking back. Oh yeah. You don't want to just bet on those incredibly raw physical traits that don't mean anything. Is he good at football or not?

[B]

I. Yeah, I can't tell because he played at two lane against fucking Southern High fits.

[C]

I would say, like, if you want to feel a little bit better about this profile, go watch his tape at two lane because he was running a much more wide route tree. He was lining up all over the field and doing. And it was really exciting.

[D]

The problem, I just tape mogged.

[C]

You.

[D]

You're not watching.

[B]

I actually did watch his Tulane Sean because I refused. And I'm like, he's playing Southern Miss. And I'm like, and. And Alabama State. State. And I'm like, I don't know what a value. I don't know what this means. That's honest thing. I'm like, I don't know what this. You want me to read you the schedule of Tulane in 2022, 2023.

[D]

I get it.

[B]

And I'm. But I'm not even saying he's bad. I'm saying I genuinely, like, I'm not pretending to be a total expert here. I genuinely have no idea what that is worth.

[C]

He. Yeah, he and he and Zachariah Branch, who we'll talk about next, are the two guys on my receiver list who. I'm like, my head says hell no, but my heart says, maybe.

[D]

But your body's telling you.

[C]

My body is telling me. Almost like these guys move diff browsers.

[B]

You're kind of like, I'm not, you know, I, I, I not into this. And then you got a little wiggle.

[C]

Browsers. It's like you can't, you can't describe it, but you know it when you see it. You know that that's good. Dk.

[D]

Chris Brazers. My mind's telling me, no, the flesh is weak.

[B]

But yeah, hold on. Dk.

[C]

He's a siren song because he's tall and super fast.

[B]

Damn, he great. Chris Browser's great game against Florida Atlantic. He only had 26 yards for Z's Carolina though.

[D]

FAU.

[B]

Yeah. Southern miss. Just three catches, 35 yards.

[C]

Definitely his quarterback. Let him down. His coach. His coach would have put him in. He would have been a superstar.

[B]

A couple of these teams don't even have a link on, on sports reference. Like it's not even blue. Like there's no hyperlink. They don't even have a school link.

[D]

They're catfishing you in the schedule. They're not even a real team. It's like that Texas high school team. That was literally fake. Remember that?

[B]

That was Bishop Sycamore. Bishop Gorman. Whatever.

[D]

That was crazy.

[B]

That was crazy.

[D]

Sycamore.

[B]

Bishop Bishop. Sycamore or something.

[D]

Sycamore. Yeah.

[C]

Garvin is the planet from Andor.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Do you think we could start a fake school?

[D]

Like, like accepted South Harmon?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like not even having kids show up and play is wrong. But do you think we could schedule a game with like img? Do you think we could schedule. Schedule a game?

[C]

I think with AI, we can do anything.

[D]

That's right, dk.

[C]

We can make videos.

[D]

They want you to think.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Speaking of browsers, next guy.

[D]

Yeah, seriously. Zachariah Branch out of Georgia. DK 59177. You love this little guy. Tell me about him.

[B]

Sicko. Sleep in it, pig.

[C]

He's fast as. That's the thing. He's very twitchy. Sudden explosive receiver that makes guys miss. Blows past.

[D]

This is the screen pass guy, right? The guy just only catches screens. Yeah.

[B]

Half of his catches, his average depth of target was.

[C]

Here's the deal, though. He's really good at that.

[D]

Dude, what they call Michael Thomas, like, slant. God, what a scream. God.

[C]

This is what I'm. I'll take it. The high end version is like a poor man's Percy Harvin. I'm not saying he's Percy Harvin, but in that ballpark, high end.

[D]

High end is poor man's Percy.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Candidate for.

[B]

Can I tweak Your high end.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

The first time we talked about Zachariah Branch you told me that you thought this Zachariah Branch has a doctor Strange odds of becoming better than there's one

[C]

version in in all the different whatever galaxies.

[B]

1 in 14 million.

[D]

Is he as fast as Tyree Kill?

[C]

I think he's pretty fast. I want to look up his 100 times. He was a track guy in Call.

[D]

He does not look as fast fast as Tyreek.

[B]

Not as fast as Tyreek. If Tyreek is like the only player I'd ever give a 100 in speed in Madden. Branch is a 98 but he does have the same way Tyreek Hill could catch a screen and like actually make people miss. He's the closest thing to Tyreek at that that since Tyreek Hill. But he doesn't actually have any other skills.

[D]

Tyreek Hill is by far the fastest person I've ever seen play football and is the only person that I would have said you doctored this tape. This must be fast forwarded like Tyree Kill. I've never seen anybody look like Tyreek Hill. I don't think Zachariah Branch does.

[B]

Hence the 13,999,000.

[C]

Give me a break. I'm not saying he's gonna be Tyreek Hill.

[D]

He ran a based on straight line speed. I don't. It doesn't seem similar to me.

[C]

He ran a 103 in 100 in high school which is really good. I don't know if it's like Olympic level, but it's really good. So yeah, he's. He's really fast. I. I will say he's. He's not. He's like a swallow guy but he's built. The reason that the. The Percy Harvin or just like Tyree killer, whatever because he's a thicker build. He's not just like a teeny tiny guy. I think you can utilize him as a de facto running back at times. You can use him in the special teams in the return game. He's a really good returner. I think he's. He has a chance to be a useful player in the NFL. I'm not saying he's going to be an all probably but again this is another guy that I'm like all the analytics, all the stats that you look at, I'm like no way in hell this is going to work. But I believe, I believe in him

[B]

for some reason I don't like I

[C]

want this guy on my team.

[B]

He's a thirst trap. This is the most Zachariah Branch is the most Go home to your.

[C]

There's been to me, to me there's been 100 thirst trap type guys like this. But then I watch him, he just looks differently. He just looks different to me. The guy that kind of the low end comp for me that comes to mind is Malachi Corley who was the exact same narrative. It was just like give him the ball in space, he's going to make things work. You know, he's really tough and physical after the catch, blah blah blah. But he could, he just like couldn't catch. And I don't think that's Zachariah Branch. I think he's. He's much more physical at the catch point and just a more natural receiver. But to me again I'm admitting it like this. This is not a logical thing for me. I just really like him.

[B]

I think Zachariah Branch my I again I think Dr. 1 in 14 million chance of becoming Tyreek Hill. But I think in reality my mid range is Tavon Austin where he's going to catch screens, run clear outs and he can return punts till 2035.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And then my low income there is Tony and.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But like the point to tweak the Tyree kill thing, it's not long speed. It's the. We always joke that who would win a game of tag. It was like Tyreek Lamar Jackson. Zachariah Branch right now could probably beat every NFL player in a game of tag. Like he would probably win. I'm not even kidding you. But the five star recruit, number one receiver recruit in high school but he was so athletic that he never learned any relevant skills. I disagree. I don't think he's a good receiver. I don't think you catch. I don't think he has like.

[D]

I don't.

[C]

I disagree with that.

[B]

I think he's, he's a body catcher. I don't know. He's 5 foot 8, 177 is yoked. He's like ripped. But that also is bad in a way because that means he's not getting. I don't think he's getting that much bigger. But I agree. I think his route tree is like a bonsai tree. It's literally just screens. It's like screens that can run. He honestly Craig, Zachariah Branch should go to the Steelers because all Aaron Rodgers wants to fucking do anyway is just throw screens and slants and just throw like deep shots. It's all Zachariah Branch could do anyway. You might as well play for the

[C]

Steelers to take a who to Pittsburgh.

[D]

He should be so lucky. Okay. Is that all? I'm gonna.

[C]

I'm going to irrationally be a Zachariah branch. Stan, I. I've just decided. I know that it's irrational, but I.

[B]

How much do you. Is it because I. I don't like

[C]

him versus probably a big part of it.

[D]

That always plays a factor. Yeah, I feel like DK out. There's usually one flag plant guy that DK has every year that works out.

[C]

He's not going to be my flag plant guy. That's different. This is my irrational love guy.

[B]

It's. It's. It's your. It's your hall pass. That's what it is. Sure.

[D]

You know how like Sal does the. What's the bet every super bowl where

[B]

it's like Gary Russell.

[D]

The Gary Russell. Dk. I want you week at the draft. You're going to. I'm going to buy you a big flag pole and you're going to plant it on the podcast and you're going to have the guy's name on the flag. So you need to.

[C]

What are the stipulations there?

[D]

It was Devon H. Hand, whatever, three years ago. I want that.

[C]

Yeah. Does it have to be like a lower end guy or is it any. Anybody.

[D]

I would say somebody you think is not going to be a first rounder.

[C]

Got. It has to be that. Oh, this is going to be fun. Okay. Okay.

[D]

All right.

[B]

I think it's got to be a cornerback. I've never heard DK talk about cornerbacks the way he's talked about him this year.

[D]

Chris Johnson, sdsu.

[C]

Yeah, I like that guy a lot.

[D]

Okay, next guy here, we're going to move right past his name because none of us agree on how to pronounce it. Jeremy Bernard, Alabama Jeremy.

[B]

What was that?

[D]

No.

[C]

Say again?

[D]

Jeremy Bernard.

[B]

Sonny.

[D]

Sonny out of Alabama. Six one, 206 lb.dk high end for Mr. Bernard.

[C]

Hyphen said. I can't use the word. The words Debo Samuel. So how about Randall Cobb?

[D]

Cibo Daniel? Yeah.

[C]

Randall Cobb. High end, low end. Dwayne Eskridge. You probably don't even remember him on Seattle. I do because he was the second round pick for the Seahawks and then he never did anything.

[B]

So Shane Walter was like, jsn. You're the new Dwayne Eskridge.

[C]

Yeah. The reason I bring up Cobb is because he's a utility player. He's just does a little bit of everything. He is a he receive. He's a receiver returner. He gets out. He gets out there in the backfield and runs. Runs like a running back at times. He has a really natural ability to run. Like Kirk, you were mentioning with Makai Lemme turns into a running back. I see the same thing with Bernard. It just, he just is a natural runner. When you get the ball in his hands. He just knows how to weave through a defense and he has great hands. He blocks the out of everybody. I think he's just a very good like football player.

[D]

But I like this guy. This guy's gonna work. I think this guy's gonna be a steal.

[C]

Yeah, this is. Washington was kind of like my mid range.

[D]

This guy's like the opposite of Chris Brazil where I'm like, he doesn't jump off the page in any specific statist physical way. And yet when you watch him, you're like, this guy's just good and strong and he's hard to take down and does everything right. Yeah, but he's not that fast and I'm not super tall and whatever.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

I think Jeremy Bernard is the kind of guy that falls to the third round because he's a jack of all trades. But I think if you have enough trades, that actually becomes your. Your ace. Like if you actually can do enough things. And Randall Cobb's a funny comparison. Dk because you're right, it's. That's not as sexy as I wanted him to be. You're right. It's sexier to say Jeremy Bernard's like if Robert woods thought he was Debo Samuel and he could play everywhere and line up everywhere. But Randall Cobb's good comp. Because I think Bernard is just. It's a high IQ guy. And the thing I thought of when you said Randall Cobb was. Randall Cobb once had a kickoff return where the ball bounced near the sideline and Randall Cobb stepped out of bounds, one foot in, one foot out, and fielded the ball. Because technically that means you get the ball. 40.

[C]

That was out of bounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And it's like, it's not that complicated. But most people never, Most guys would never think to do that in that moment. It was like 15 years ago. And Bernard's the kind of guy where he, he just is so aware on the field of what's happening again. I, he. I like that he can run up as running back. I like that it can be receiver. He lines up everywhere. But the thing that, I think if one play that speaks the most about him is a third and 10 and a three point game in field goal range. The bama let him take a direct snap on third and 10. And I. All coaches think about all week is how to let, especially college coaches is how to not let our players fuck up the game. It's all they're worried about is how will our players fuck this up. We got to make everything like, more like they don't want to let anyone screw anything up. And it is unusual to see a receiver trusted. As much as I love Bernard, the

[C]

only downside and the reason I don't. I can't quite. He probably wouldn't be my flag plant guy is just because the stats are not where they need to be in terms of just yards per outrun and some of the overall stats that he had in college. It just was. Typically, guys like this don't make it in the NFL, but he could be kind of one of those outliers just because of everything that he can do in so many different ways better in

[B]

real life than fantasy. Kind of like Robert woods, probably.

[C]

Yeah, probably the germ.

[D]

I love him.

[B]

I'm diseased.

[D]

All right, next guy here. This is the last main guy in the list. And then we'll get to a couple honorable mentions. Chris Bell out of Louisville. DK. I did a very cursory YouTube scout of this man, and my initial comp for him without looking or reading anything, is less explosive. Anquan Bolden.

[C]

Oh, that's fun.

[D]

How do you feel about that?

[C]

Less explosive than Anquan Bolden. Yeah, famously was really slow, but he.

[D]

I guess, I mean, like an. Bolden had a very productive career and it was like, I don't know. I. I just. I'm like, yeah, this is like a 0.8 Anquan Bolden.

[C]

Right, Right. Bolden was one of the toughest players I've ever seen play in my life. He was awesome.

[D]

He's Anquan unbolded.

[C]

Oh, there we go.

[D]

That wasn't that good.

[C]

Yeah, he. No, it wasn't.

[D]

You've had better.

[C]

But like, I think the high end comp that I've seen, and there's one play in particular, I want to say it was against Miami, but I could be wrong where he took a slant and just ran past everyone on the field and everyone spelled.

[B]

This is.

[C]

Yeah. Chris Bell. And you see this play and you're like, okay, this guy could be AJ Brown. So that's the high income, the low end comp.

[B]

It was my high end comp, too.

[D]

You should have prepared me for that. Wow.

[C]

Craig, are you sitting down?

[B]

Girded your loins.

[D]

I didn't know. That's where this don't stand up, I should say. He's 6 to 222 pounds. This is a big man.

[C]

He's very fast at that, at that height and weight. The problem is he is coming off an ACL tear. So there's some big question marks there with how healthy he'll he'll be for his rookie year and all that stuff. The low end comp for big, strong, fast, physical guys would be something like John Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, or same two

[B]

guys I had, A.J. brown and John.

[D]

Really?

[C]

Wow.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

And you know who Jonathan Mingo's comp was when he was coming to the draft was Anquan Bolden. So look at us.

[C]

Really.

[B]

It's kind of weird actually.

[C]

Look at us. Yeah. Chris Bell, Louisville. He might have had a chance at being like a first, second rounder coming into this draft if he hadn't torn his acl. But yeah, he's one of those guys. Big, big physical wins on in breakers runs after the catch. He's kind of in that Rasheed Rice mold too, where just for whatever reason, he can just run away from the defense after he catches the ball. Very smooth transition, transition from catch to run and you know, accelerator and basically just the type of athlete that you want to bet on. But I think he's still a little bit like he, he doesn't have a full route tree coming off the injury is a little bit of a concern. And he's not a precision receiver. He's more of like a power receiver, I'd say. So there's, there's some downsides to this, but I think he's definitely a guy worth betting on just because of the size, you know, acceleration, top end speed and physicality as a, as a receiver.

[B]

I'm laughing because I was thinking, you were like, he doesn't really win with precision, he wins with power. And I was thinking about Brian Dable and the hard knocks. Did all these interviews with the quarterbacks that you're Drake May, Jen Daniels, J.J. mcCarthy, all the guys. And he was doing the whiteboard with Jen Daniels and he's like, so what are you doing this play? What are you doing this play? And J. Daniel, he was like, so what throw? And Jane Daniels completely lost track. And Brian Daniel's like, so what do you do? What throw do you make? And Jan Daniel was like, throw a touchdown. Like. But that was kind of A.J. brown's rookie year. Like an Ole Miss like him and DK Metcalf, as amazing as they were, they Weren't that amazing in the offense. DK Metcalf had the neck thing. AJ Brown had knee issues and like. And the Titans. Guess what AJ Brown, was he the most polished guy, rookie year? Nope. Guess what? He had like 1100 yards and he should have had his season ending. He had a season ending knee injury in week two. And he was like, I'm gonna play through it. And then he had like. It was just unreal. And like, I think a lot of people have independently been like, whispering that Chris Bell's like, A.J. brown.

[C]

He fits the profile, you know, And. And it's hard. There's. There's a lot of guys that kind of come into league that are big and fast, but I think he does have some of the movement ability, Movement skills that you see from AJ Brown.

[D]

So dk, you said if. If he didn't tear his acl, he could have been a first or second rounder.

[C]

I think there was people that were kind of talking about that. Yeah.

[D]

To me, I'm like, he should still be. The ACL tear is not what it used to be. I. I don't care. It's like, okay, I guess you don't get him for a year, but I'm like, If this guy's A.J. brown or has a shot of being A.J. brown, fucking take him in the second round. What are we doing?

[B]

I think. I don't think it's a. I don't think Chris Bell was going to be like the 15th pick. I think Chris Bell was like, he might be the 29th or 30th pick. And now Chris Bell will probably just move down like 10 spots. It's not like a round drop down.

[D]

You think he'll be the third rounder still? 30th pick, you think Chris Bell's gonna go third? He could go fringe first round.

[B]

I think he was gonna. I think he. That's where he was gonna go before he tore his.

[D]

What about now?

[B]

Who's to know? Because it's about the evaluation of the knee and the player. And so, I mean, again, real AJ Brown went like. Like 60th.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

The EG. The Eagles took Jerusalem White set over DK Metcalf in real life, you know,

[D]

but if you not. But if you now know that, if you think he could be A.J. brown, to me, that's like a second.

[B]

This is my care.

[D]

What's wrong with his knee.

[B]

This is my fear, though, with Chris Bell is I feel like we're setting this man up to fail because we all have a lot of these and it's like you compare them to the top end and we're like, yeah, it's funner to do that, but they're probably the mid range. Chris Bell. The problem is there's enough AJ Brown where you're like, maybe. And then I actually don't have a mid range. I couldn't really think of a good mid range comp. But it's not realistic to expect them to be that. That's not fair. But I don't really. I. I was lost for like a

[C]

mid range would be someone like Cedric Tillman or something like that, where a guy who flashes but then just hasn't. Doesn't really put it together. It's so hard to judge. So hard to judge Brown's receivers. I mean, when, when Javis was the. Was the quarterback for the Brown, Cedric Tillman looked like, oh, my God, wait,

[D]

Jerry Judy was like second in the NFL in yards for.

[B]

Cedric Tillman went to Tennessee, then the Browns. And then guess where he went to high school. I'll give you one guess in the whole world.

[C]

Midlands.

[B]

Bishop Gorman.

[C]

Gorman is a real thing. All right.

[B]

Bishop Gorman is the high school. Bishop Sycamore is the fake one. Bishop Gorman's the real one.

[C]

All right. Yeah, I like this guy. I just think there's the worry about the knee and everything.

[D]

AJ Brown is also probably one of the more like one of the more difficult kind of styles of wide receiver to replicate or hope for. Like, his physical talent is so ridiculous that, yes, thinking anybody could be him is probably a fool's.

[B]

And again, I don't want to.

[C]

We do chase these types of guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

AJ Brown is like the freak of freaks.

[B]

I have an. I have opinions, but I don't want to pretend like I could even now go back and watch A.J. brown's college tape and be like, yep, I see it now. Like, no, yeah, I. I wouldn't. It's like, I don't know. Also, I. I went to.

[C]

He was another guy, by the way. I went back and looked at my scouting report on A.J. brown, and I called him a slot receiver because he almost only played in the slot. And I was like, man, that's crazy. Now he's, you know, one of the top.

[D]

He.

[C]

He just does it all.

[B]

If his name was Arthur, probably falls to the. His name's Arthur. He went by Arthur Brown. He falls to the third round.

[D]

Is his name Arthur?

[B]

Arthur Juan. Also in pro football references, his nickname is Parentheses Swole Batman.

[C]

Swole Batman.

[D]

I love a nickname that doesn't roll off the Tongue swole. Batman, Arthur, Juan. That's kind of a cool name, Arthur.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it's good.

[D]

AJ so those are the top 10. There's a couple other honorable mentions here. Do you want. Do you want to. Who do you want to mention that we haven't yet?

[C]

I think Antonio Williams from Clemson is worth mentioning. He's getting some. Some big buzz right now too, just because the sudden movement skills. People are comparing him, upside, comparing him to lad McConkey type player. And so I think he's an interesting one. He. He's not. He didn't have a ton of explosive plays this last year, but you can see the versatility and just ruggedness that he brings to an offense.

[D]

5 11, 187 pounds.

[C]

Yeah, he's a little bit undersized. He played mostly in the slot, but he accelerates really quickly. Super productive. He runs after the catch. He has soft hands. He does a little bit of everything. He threw two touchdowns in his college career. He puts an effort as a blocker. So he's. He's, I think, a guy that'll come into league and like, probably end up starting and we're not talking about him very much.

[D]

Okay, that's Antonio Williams out of Clemson.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Anyone else? Yeah, I think. Yeah, we don't have to talk about Mal. There's a bunch being Matt Collins again.

[C]

There's a bunch of other guys, but yeah. Okay, so dip into the class.

[B]

I think it's a good receiver class. After the draft, we will probably do a bunch of. We'll do like winners, losers, all this stuff. We'll also, at some point get back to fantasy, fantasy rankings. We can talk about dynasty once guys have teams. And again, yeah, if you like our draft coverage, we stick. Stick with us. We'll help you get ready for your drafts in August. And we do the whole season. We literally do forces a week during the season. So the other thing I wanted to mention was a line we missed. We asked all these. We talked about the Jalen Hurts story at the Eagle. ESPN this week about the Eagles and discontent. Jalen hurts. And Zach emailed in a good Zebo line we missed because we were talking about Jalen hurts. The Eagles fans care. You. You guys were arguing about Aaron Rodgers, all this stuff. So we got a line that Zach for Zach's breakfast was two eggs over easy toast and iced coffee.

[D]

This is from the Hertz article.

[B]

Yeah, this from the Hertz article. So the line we missed was. Hertz changes plays so often, it can be hard to get into a rhythm as the play caller coaches might call the same play three times in a game without the play actually being run as it's called. And if the Eagles call a play that Hertz doesn't like early in the game that can sour the mood for the rest of the game. And it's not.

[D]

I don't remember that.

[B]

Well then in an anonymous source said it's almost who's got the better play call Hertzer the coach.

[D]

I don't remember that from this article.

[B]

If you don't remember that that's because it's not from the Espion article. It's actually from 2018 article about Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy from 2018.

[C]

Ah.

[B]

And sports Illustrated Albert Brewer and Kaylin Collar wrote an article you lied to me breakup of Rogers and Mike McCarthy. So to your point about Aaron Rodgers would never defending a quarterback kind of verbatim completely different.

[D]

Legitimately completely. Aaron Rodgers can make any throw on the field and and. And wants to and and like is the most talented quarterback in the league again at that time and was. Well that was what a year before he went Back to back MVPs.

[B]

An anonymous coach said it's McCarthy and Rogers are like two really smart guys. Ultra competitive. Almost like who's going to try to get the blitter play call. It's a big. It's basically it's a dick swing contest. It's weird that they're going to work together again. Like this is weird 8 years after they broke up. It's weird that they're reunited. That's all I know.

[C]

I had nothing to do with this. Craig. This is all hype. It's.

[D]

I mean I just don't. I don't think comparing Jalen Hurts to Aaron Rodgers is fair. But that's just me. Also we should say that the poll that we put out, I was right. Over 60% of Eagles fans said they are fed up with Jalen Hurts.

[C]

Fed up.

[B]

That's so interesting. You know the. It's.

[D]

Wait.

[B]

You know the stat that the like the the 2024 election. It was. You were actually much more likely to get accurate results if you asked who's your neighbor voting for than if who's you're voting for.

[D]

Right, right, right.

[B]

We should do that legal spin. What is your. What is your closest Eagles.

[D]

Well, they're anonymously. They're voted. They're anonymously clicking something. It's not.

[B]

You know, I'm just saying what is your closest Eagles friend think of Jalen Hurts.

[D]

Here's the difference.

[B]

Answers.

[D]

If I'M the fan of the Packers. I would say let Aaron Rodgers do whatever the fuck he wants. If I'm the fan of a fan of the Eagles, I am not saying let Jalen Hurts do whatever he wants.

[B]

Right.

[D]

That's the difference.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. Okay, let's get into the receivers and

[D]

you guys just been attacking me lately. Last two eps you guys are on my throat for once.

[B]

It's not me, it's dk.

[C]

What are you talking about? You're the one who just did this.

[B]

Well, that was because it was.

[D]

You just. You just add inserted a fake quote into an article.

[C]

I didn't do that.

[B]

Yeah, but that was funny.

[C]

It was a.

[B]

It was mad about it. I know you're. Again, we recorded this Thursday. I would love to talk about the Yukon. Sorry, Duke, but three days ago, from when we recorded, we forgot yesterday's show to talk about it. And then we're putting this up.

[D]

It's going to be out of the tournament by now.

[B]

Yeah, the championship will be over by the time some people listen. So I'm not going to talk about that. So instead I want to read a couple emails. One from Casey.

[D]

Casey Concepcion.

[B]

Huh? Kevin Breckfast is just a can of iced coffee.

[D]

A can.

[C]

A can of iced coffee.

[D]

Not. Not floating around.

[C]

Just put it in my veins.

[B]

I had one the other day. It was good. We were talking about people. We wanted another round of people saying that their grandpa's invented stuff. So Casey says, since I was a kid, my buddy's grandfather is adamant that his friend invented the jump shot.

[C]

We know a lot of people who invented basketball.

[D]

I feel like if you. That means you invented basketball. If you invented the jump shot.

[B]

Well, Pappy says that nobody was actually. Pappy says nobody was actually jumping to shoot a basketball before his best buddy, Whitey Skook, come on. And I'm sending you his Wikipedia page. Whitey Scoog. Skook with a K, S, K, O, O, G. And I gotta say, I don't know if this is true, but he was born in 1926 and he did actually. He was on the Lakers. Whitey Skoog was drafted by the Lakers, which I started to take much more seriously when I heard this.

[C]

According to Wikipedia. Some credit Scoog with being the creator of the jump shot.

[D]

What does that mean?

[B]

I don't know. His friends probably edited it to say

[D]

that he was the first guy to shoot a basketball while.

[B]

No, he's saying they're all. They weren't standing. They weren't. They were all standing. And he Was short, so he had to jump to do it. And they probably all made fun of him. Dude, you. I know we say that as a joke. Dude, we remember last year we talked about catchers in baseball were just on two left two feet the whole time.

[D]

No one ever thought to jump.

[B]

No, no, no. They wouldn't split. They wouldn't. Now catchers split.

[D]

I know, I know. They, like, lean on one knee now.

[B]

Yeah. And the answer is. And the answer. Why didn't catchers do that for? Because it's easier on your knees, and it's easier to throw to second base. And the answer is, well, you look like a pussy, and they made fun of you if you did it. So no one did it for 100 years. I think it was the jump shot. Everyone made fun of this guy for jumping, and then they all started doing. He's a spaz. He keeps jumping when he's jumping to shoot you Nancy.

[D]

That's funny. I guess he's 5 11.

[C]

I'm looking at some pictures of him shooting the jumper. He really jumped when he.

[D]

Yeah, he got up, it was like

[C]

he was, like, really jumping.

[D]

I feel like that should be called a scoog

[C]

shot.

[D]

Yeah. If you jump really high to shoot, that's called a skook. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The University of Minnesota is saying that they're trying to give him credit for inventing the jump shot.

[C]

I love all these images from the early days of basketball, man. It's crazy. This was a thing.

[D]

He's also, like, truly holding the ball with only one hand. And all the photos, like, his. His, like, the placement hand is not even close to the ball.

[C]

It's the basketball version of a football trading card where the guys are just like, leg is up in the air.

[B]

Hold on. Ken Sailors.

[C]

Up in the air.

[B]

Ken Sailors is also being credited with invading the jump shot. But they're like, the same age. They were both born in 1921. So, like, there was, like, a couple decades here where no one was shooting to put the ball in the hoop.

[C]

This was like, who really invented Tesla, you know?

[D]

Right.

[C]

So anyways, this guy Casey, his grandpa,

[B]

his grandpappy, his roommates, his friend's grandpappy.

[C]

All right, so shout out to the scoop.

[D]

I'm willing to. I'm willing to soft believe this.

[B]

I think I. It's better than the guy's grandfather was like, I invented the turnaround.

[C]

Willing to believe this. Yeah, I'm willing to soft believe it.

[D]

Next time I'm playing basketball, I'm going to tell the shortest guy on our team that dude, you just got a scoop more.

[B]

Just scoop under scoop. You scoop more now scoop less. All right, this one's from Chris C. Bone. Chrissy subject line didn't even write anything in the email. It's just a photo, and he put a subject line at. The subject line is just 1919 outfielder named Payne Bodhi won a spaghetti eating contest against an ostrich.

[C]

God damn it.

[B]

This.

[C]

Ah, this country, people.

[D]

Dude, back then, the things that we did as entertainment, like, I bet you the whole town was like, we got ahead. The ostrich spaghetti eating contest is tonight.

[C]

We're going.

[D]

Getting your shots. Yeah, well, Sunday best, I.

[B]

Let me tell you.

[C]

So I was like, bodhi, that is a mad Lib one. It's like, there's no eating contest against an ostrich.

[B]

I. And so he just sent me a screenshot of a tweet. I'm like, there's no way this is real. So I look it up. Well, let me read you guys some from mlb.com this is real. This is real. So Francesco Stefano Pizzolo, okay. Who was nicknamed Ping Bodhi because of the. The sound of the bat.

[C]

Okay, Ping what? Bod? What's bod?

[B]

I don't know where Bodie.

[D]

I actually, Wikipedia has him as Frank Stephen Bodie, born Francesco Stefano Pizzola, Ellis Island. Did a number on this guy's name. Yeah, they hacked the out of this one.

[B]

Yeah, they had a heavy hand.

[D]

My goodness.

[B]

So Ping Bodhi, was I you not Babe Ruth's roommate?

[D]

Come on. Wow.

[C]

There were not very many people in

[B]

this country back in the day for this roommate. And so people asked him, what's Babe

[C]

Ruth had a roommate?

[B]

First of all, no, I know. No, Richie. He was making 20 a week. So they asked him what it's like to room with Babe Ruth. He said, I don't know. He's never there. Always out. He said, I'm just here with his suitcases.

[D]

He's never. He's always playing baseball, gambling.

[B]

So Ping Bodhi, who's in the National Italian American. Italian American hall of Fame, I believe, with Tommy DeVito's agent, right? What? Ping Bodhi, one of the first Italian Americans in baseball, is said to have inspired the DiMaggio brothers to play baseball.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So Babe Ruth's roommate, all right, inspired Joe DiMaggio to play baseball, Allegedly. And he once said that he was asked, why should people see the Philadelphia Athletics? He said, and I quote, I and the Liberty Bell are the only attractions in Philadelphia.

[C]

I like his. I like his chutzpah.

[B]

So Anyway, gumption. This man is known not for being baby's roommate or inspiring Joe DiMaggio. He's known for the following story. This is from mlb.com the 5 foot 8, 195 pound ping Bodie was a voracious eater. And during one Florida spring training in 1919, Yankees co owner Cap Houston heard

[C]

words back in the day.

[B]

I know Kathy Houston's a good name. So Cap Houston heard about Percy the ostrich, of course, who was a resident of the nearby Jacksonville Zoo.

[C]

This is what happens when you don't have the Internet.

[D]

Yeah. Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You're like, what do we do, guys?

[B]

I heard about an ostrich.

[D]

I don't have to work today. What do I do?

[B]

So he hears about Percy the ostrich is a resident of the nearby Jacksonville Zoo. And apparently Percy the ostrich has been dubbed the world's greatest eater.

[C]

This is like how you sell tickets to a zoo in Jacksonville, Florida. Come see the world's greatest guy. Yeah, go.

[D]

Step on up.

[B]

Cap Houston arranges for Ping Bod to have an eating contest with Percy the ostrich. And Bo, think about how that conversation went.

[C]

Guys, look, I know it's an ostrich, but we've got a guy.

[D]

I'm not letting some fucking bird beat me at eating. All right?

[B]

So Cap used to ask Pig Boat, he's like, I'm down. And he's like, I'll let you pick the food. So Pink Boat, he's like, I want eat spaghetti.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So sure they do. I can't wait to play this. The eating contest. They did it like a boxing match?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

With a. Like a ring and a bell.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

And they set it up and. Oh, I thought that was funnier than you guys.

[C]

I did not know that was the punch.

[D]

He said it.

[B]

Ostrich in a boxing ring with an ostrich doing eating spaghetti. Baseball player.

[C]

Was the ostrich wearing like old timey boxing shorts really high?

[B]

I don't know. But he's in a boxing ring, weighing

[D]

in at 6 foot 8, 525 pounds.

[B]

This is during spring training. He's a pro baseball player.

[C]

I mean, what else are you gonna do all day?

[B]

So the showed out like the sports writer W.O. mcCarthy had the best coverage from the event. Can I read you Wo mcgeon's accounting of this food, of this eating contest?

[C]

Yeah, you gotta do it like an old timey voice though.

[B]

Oh, I. Oh, yeah. As the combatants struggle with the platters, the cheering of the spectators shook the pavilion. There were times when it was all that the police could do to keep the crowd from tearing through the ropes into the ring.

[C]

We had a bunch of people that were super into it.

[D]

Who. So was it a close fight? Like, how did it go? Do we.

[B]

I'm glad you asked. I'm glad you asked. I'm. I'm, I'm. I'm. I'm so excited. I'm. I'm very glad you asked. So the first few rounds were really close with the ostrich.

[C]

They had multiple rounds.

[D]

Are they. Do they. Do they each have a plate of spaghetti in front of them?

[B]

Each round is one plate. They get a full plate of spaghetti

[D]

and it's just like, who can go the fast?

[B]

No, it's just. It's just like loser leaves town. It's.

[D]

Oh, it's volume.

[C]

This is how the Olive Garden came up with the bottomless pasta.

[B]

So, yeah, at one point, Ping Bodhi throws his fork into the crowd, just starts eating with his hands.

[D]

This is like the original YouTuber.

[B]

Yes. Jake Paul would have done this. Jake Paul, where is your fight? An ostrich. What are you doing? So at one point, the ostage. So listen, so the ostrich started to struggle at the end of round two, came back full force round three, and at one point ate his handler's pocket watch.

[C]

Just took it off of him apparently.

[D]

I was like, let me show you. I still got it.

[C]

Just like, you can see it stuck in his throat. Cartoon just goes down his throat.

[B]

So apparently, post pocket watch, the bird slowed down, allegedly. This is me reading into it. No one says this, but I think the pocket of a bottleneck. So apparently by R.A. in round 10, Percy staggers out of the office. 10 rounds, 10 plates.

[D]

10 plates of spaghetti.

[C]

This guy was a great eater.

[B]

Percy's.

[D]

He's five foot eight.

[C]

This man, like the, the hot dog guy. What's his name?

[B]

Kobayashi.

[D]

He probably, like missed a game to do this. That's so great about this.

[B]

Percy. So Percy ostrich on the field staggers out in round 10. And before he gets started, Percy ostrich falls to his knees and passes out head face first into the spaghetti.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

Did they.

[C]

Do they count

[B]

face first?

[C]

Everyone's waiting on baited breath.

[D]

Do. Was this ostrich, like, how did it. In between rounds?

[C]

Just like going to its corner.

[D]

Where was it where they. Like, I'm cutting people, being like. Like, was it being held against its will? Obvious, I'm assuming.

[B]

Like, I have no idea. I have no idea. I. I don't know if If Wo MCAN made all this up, I don't know. But I do think this happened. I, I would like to believe the ostrich did fall face first into the spaghetti.

[C]

What happened to Percy? So, so he was declared.

[B]

Oh, per. Well, Percy felt, I think. I, I, I, I don't, I'm worried the pocket watch may have affected him. I don't know. But, But Ping Bod was declared the undisputed eating champion of the world. Wow.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Of the world

[B]

of people who would sign up in Jacksonville during spring training, step on up and see the amazing spaghetti eating. Picturing this ostrich passed out in a boxing ring in a face of spaghetti.

[D]

Dude. Ping probably had his pick of the, of every woman in town the next morning.

[B]

Like Wilt Chamberlain. I got six women in three rooms.

[C]

Lord.

[D]

Oh, God. There's the ostrich is the perfect animal for this story. I don't know why perfect. It wouldn't be funny if it was a horse. But an ostrich is just fantastic. You know, when we were in Africa, you inevitably, like, you're in these cars, like, looking at all these animals, and you start to have these conversations of like, is there any animal I could beat in a fight? And you're like, looking at like a warthog. Could I beat a warthog now? Maybe not.

[C]

Hell no.

[D]

The one animal that we thought maybe if your life depended on it, could you kill? Could you take down an ostrich? If it was like to. Absolutely not to save your mother's life, could you take down an ostrich?

[C]

Ostriches. Ostriches are just like dinosaurs.

[B]

So it's, they are, they're quite hungry. So it's funny you say this. So apparently the most dangerous animal in Australia or one of the most dangerous animals in Australia is actually emus. And like, again, we talked about the Austria had an emu war. They actually brought Lewis machine guns against the emus. In the 1930s. They actually. And they lost the emus regiment of the British army to kill emus in Australia. And they ran back with their tails. They lost.

[D]

I feel like the skinny legs and the skinny neck are vulnerable to me.

[C]

But here's how it's Neck.

[D]

Yeah. I dive at the legs immediately. It's on the ground now. It's kind of me versus the neck, you know, and my mom's, remember my mom's life is on the line.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

A lot of neck to choke. Protein is now at Starbucks and it's

[D]

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[B]

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[D]

Adrenaline is at a 12 out of 10.

[B]

You could choke. There's so many. There's so much, you know, so many things.

[D]

I could tangle and bend.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know.

[B]

Well, so here's the thing. I follow this guy on Instagram.

[C]

I think they're gonna kill you.

[B]

I. We're probably the. This guy, I think his name's Gator Boy Chris. There's. I. I'm a fat. I don't want to ever get bit by an alligator. It's like my biggest realistic. Not realistic fear, but it's my biggest when I'm in South Carolina or Florida. Anyway, there's alligators. I'm like, I don't. With gators.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It's like, you ever seen Archer? They survived the KT extinction.

[D]

I don't. I don't.

[C]

I mean, I agree with you that I don't fuck with Alex, so.

[B]

But anyway, I am obsessed on Instagram with these guys who, like, fudge with gators, basically.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

So this guy does an enclosure. He's like Steve Irwin on Instagram, but he has emus, too. And so the emus, as DK said, they're like raptors. They have steak knives for toes and they can kill you. And they. What they actually do to defend themselves is they disembowel you. They just fucking dice you up like Zorro in your abdomen and they let you.

[D]

Clever girl.

[B]

Holding your intestines like the beginning of Tropic Thunder.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So this guy, what he does with his emus, he lets him walk free. And when they're getting through puberty, they get like, you know, the young bucks. And so all the emus on this guy's property are trying to fight him, which means kill him. And his arm is like 3 inches longer than their legs. So when he's around the emus, he's taking a selfie, talking about something else. And an emu will just run up to him and he just, like, throat chops the emu. And the emu is just wagging its steak knives three inches from his belly button. I am obsessed with this guy.

[C]

This can't be legal. I don't know.

[B]

Florida, Florida.

[C]

The response to that is it's Florida.

[B]

So, Craig, the question is, it's. It's. What's your length? Do you have my 34 inch arms?

[D]

That's true. I do think I have like a 63 wingspan. I don't know.

[C]

I thought we established you don't actually have very long arms.

[D]

You don't? I thought you have like 30 inch arms.

[B]

No, I have 34 inch arms. We measured. Reuben Bane would be killed by an ostrich. That's a fact. Yeah. Reuben Bane could never beat an ostrich.

[D]

Oh, that's good stuff.

[C]

I wouldn't find an ostrich. I don't think.

[D]

I know, but I'm saying life.

[B]

You had to.

[C]

I'd rather fight an ostrich than like a lion. Correct.

[B]

Hippo is last. I don't think you have any. I don't think there's any way to beat him.

[D]

We can rule out lions and rhinos and hippos, I'm saying, you know.

[B]

Right. But I actually think you have a better chance of killing a lion than a hippo.

[D]

Okay. Okay. But those. You have zero chance against all of those. I'm talking about something. You have a shot.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. That's fair.

[B]

Ostrich is. Those pigs are big too. What are they like?

[D]

You're like, Life is dangerous. You're telling me. James Harrison in his prime versus an ostrich. Who are you taking?

[B]

James Harrison. How sharp are their toes?

[D]

Sure that those are emus? I don't know if ostriches have the same sharp toes they have.

[C]

They don't. I don't know if they have the same, like, hook. They definitely have sharp little claws, though.

[B]

They could eat more. James Ping Bodhi. James Harrison or an ostrich.

[D]

Have you guys seen that? The Shane Gillis SNL sketch about the limu Emu? It's really funny. No.

[B]

Oh, I. Maybe. Wait, remind me.

[D]

It's like a racist emu.

[B]

Oh, the emu's like the cop from the commercial.

[D]

They're like Lee Moore.

[B]

Limu's racist.

[D]

That's very funny.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Well, I didn't. I didn't know where that story was going, but I'm glad we went on that journey.

[D]

Ping Bodhi.

[C]

Whatever happened? Oh, I want to know what happened to Percy. Whatever happened to this zoo?

[B]

We'll find out what happened to Percy. I. I gotta tell you, the. The thrill of my life is looking into these and like the guy who, like it did the ostrich thing was baby's roommate while this was happening. It's just like he comes up. Babe, what'd you do today?

[D]

Never. The lesson is never underestimate how much a tiny. How much pasta a tiny Italian man can eat.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Eleven plates. This says he finished his plate before Percy even got started.

[D]

In the 11th round, the OG muff.

[C]

Can I get some more?

[B]

Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to Percy the ostrich and Pink Bodie and Zach for emailing that. And thank you, Cam. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Abu. Thank you. Everyone emailed in. Thank you, everyone. Who's doing the bracket challenge in espn. I would comment on it, except we're recording this before the Final Fours happened and you were listening to this either right before or after the championship's been decided. So our next episode, we will announce the winner. We will mail them ringer merch. And yeah, we'll have quarterbacks coming soon for positional previews. And then we're going to be together in at Los Angeles for the draft. So that'll be really fun. And yeah, email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com. any other animals with Wikipedias? That one's hard to beat.

[C]

We've got. We've had quite a few good ones.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like the headless chicken.

[B]

And you know what? While we're at it, draft questions for. We're in a mailbag. It's all right. About the draft. Email us actual draft questions, things you want to know about your team. But players, whatever. Fantasy. Whatever. Yeah. Thank you, Lord.

[D]

Lord.

[C]

Thank you, Midlands.

[B]

Midland's great. Midlands.

[D]

Oh, yeah, Midlands.

[B]

Thank you for remembering. Midland is a great country band. I don't love country, but I do like some country. And my friends love, like, the most basic pop country imaginable. Like, my friends are obsessed. Like Florida Georgia Line, ironically.

[C]

I think pop country is the worst type of country.

[B]

I agree. It's all the same. You ever seen the medley where someone took, like, eight songs from 2016 and made them all the same and they're all the same, so.

[D]

Have you heard the Bo Burnham song Pandering?

[B]

Oh, that's. That's it.

[D]

This reminds me of the political Jerry Mandarin. I'm busy pandering. And he just does like his little key changes. It's great.

[B]

It's incredible.

[C]

But sorry. I think of the. Sorry. The Team America World Police freedom isn't free. In fact, there's a hefty fee. The music in Team America is pretty great, I will say. Good. Continue hyperts.

[B]

I mean, that's hard to follow up Team America with that, but drinking problems. It's real country because it's about. It's sad because it's like, what is it?

[D]

Real country is sad. That's the difference. The music is sad.

[B]

Midland, the chorus of one of my favorite songs, you know, you start singing a song and then you're like, what is this? And you're like, in the hundredth time, I was like, people say I've got a drinking problem, but I don't think I have. I don't have a problem drinking at all. Yeah.

[D]

Like, it's like, don't think about the Johnny Cash lyrics. Just you just listen.

[C]

Right?

[B]

But yeah, yeah. Drinking problem. Phenomenal.

[D]

Nice.

[B]

Midland. Great. Badland.

[C]

All right, I'll check it out.

[B]

Team America.

[C]

God, great movie.

[B]

When's that Rewatchables, Greg?

[D]

I. I feel like Bill has not seen it. I would.

[B]

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