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So he, it doesn't seem to be serious. Kevin o' Connell seems to say, you know, reevaluating in a week, not nervous about it, not worried about week one. You never like to hear these things. The soft tissue stuff in training camp is always scary. Even if we overreact, it's hard not to. Because of the Christian McCaffrey's possibilities of the world. It is notable to say that he tore his hamstring two years ago and missed half the season. 2023. Justin Jefferson, this is the opposite hamstring, but he's had a history of these injuries. You guys have always been a little bit higher on Jefferson this off season than I have. I have him just a tick lower. We have him as our eighth overall player, wide receiver. 3. We have him behind just Jamar Chase and CD Lamb right before kind of the next tier. He's at the top of that next tier. Nico Collins, Puka, Nicola Monroe, St Brown and Malik Neighbors. You know, I, I don't, I, I don't think this is, this is enough to change the rankings. If how, however you previously felt about Justin Jefferson. I don't think this is enough to change that just yet. Do you agree?
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Yeah, I think you have to just kind of like wait and see. If it bleeds into the preseason, if we're still talking about this in two or three weeks, then you start to.
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Make it August 20th and he still like hasn't practiced yet. Then things start to change. But it's not August yet. We have some time reevaluating in a week. They think it's minor.
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Craig, I will say you will hit.
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The panic button later on in the show for other players. I don't think you should do it for Justin Jefferson.
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Hamstrings for your star players, not what you want. No, I'll say that. Not what you want.
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Did we, what did we rebrand it? Because remember, it's like pull a hamstring. Whimsical. But yeah, pull downstream's a tear. So it's against ripped or your leg.
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Yeah, if they call it a minor hamstring tear, he's dropping five spots.
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That's what it means. Is it bad that it's so stupid as that? I do think that actually changes how we look at it. Like I pulled the Sam string. It's like, yeah, well, yeah, when Dak Prescott does it off the bone. I think, I guess the question though, overall to your point though Craig, is maybe the injury doesn't matter, but basically I think it just goes back to the Vikings overall as being one of the weirdest teams to evaluate for this season because basically they won 14 games and then swapped out their quarterback for a guy that's never played in the NFL. And J.J. mcCarthy's basically the only first run quarterback to ever not play his rookie season at all. Didn't have that much experience at Michigan anyway and kind of just not game managed. Because I think JJ McCarthy has talent, but wasn't like he was just throwing balls across the yard at Michigan when they went undefeated with just defense and a running game. So I mean dk looking at this team, I mean, you know, you're a draft expert for us and looking at everything you watched the J.J. mcCarthy and film before, everything you saw at the Vikings last year, do you feel like Jefferson should be in this tier with Jamar Chase and CD Lamb at the top or do you think he is just interchangeable with the puka, Nakua, Amanra, St. Brown, Nico Collins, where it's like, should Jefferson be closer to the fifth pick or like the 12th pick in a fantasy draft?
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I think probably the latter, honestly at this point. The thing with Jefferson though is like he's always been such a prolific receiver, no matter who's throwing passes, the most prolific ever.
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He literally has the most yards per game in the history of the NFL.
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C
So I don't think you want to overreact too much. But I will say and I think this was kind of the story with J.J. mcCarthy coming into the league, at least for me it was. This is a big projection because like you said, he Fitz he was playing in an offense where he wasn't asked to carry the the team. He wasn't often asked to like have them come back from big deficits. It was a run heavy play defense and his job was to take care of the football. He did make some really impressive throws on tape. But I think the big knock on him, if you want to call it that, is like he didn't face a ton of adversity from that point of view where he was like having to, you know, put the entire offense on his shoulders and lead them back from big deficits. So it to me is he remains a projection. So I think you have to bake in a little bit of doubt that, that it's going to be a high volume passing game or a highly efficient passing game. We don't know that yet. I think you can always kind of assume that was going to happen with Kirk Cousins last year. Sam Darnold was far more efficient and far more prolific than anyone thought he would be. So I think I'm still like open to the idea that J.J. mcCarthy could have an awesome. And this isn't his rookie year but first year starting. But yeah, I mean I think all those things create some uncertainty. Whereas you don't have that with CD Lamb, you don't have that with Jamar Chase even remotely. So CD Lamb and Chase have awesome connections with established high volume passers. We do not have that with J.J. mcCarthy at all.
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It's why I have him a little bit lower this year. I have him at 11th. I have him behind Jamar Chase and CD Lamb, but I also have him behind Nico Collins and Aman Ross, St. Brown and Brian Thomas. Just because of what you like. I almost feel like what Sam Darnold did last year. Sam Darnold, Sam Darnold threw for 35 touchdowns. Sam Darnold, they won 15 games. He threw for 35 touchdowns and Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver. Three. That is kind of like best case. Absolute pie in the sky. He wins. He would win rookie of the year if he would have like that is really elite, elite territory for J.J. mcCarthy to be in. And so I'm like I'm, I'm not exactly confident that's going to happen though. Nobody was with Sam Darnold, I'll give you that. But it does feel like taking him third overall, fourth overall, fifth overall in a draft is, is really betting on J.J. mcCarthy to be extremely competent this year.
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Well, I think it, well, I. Part of that, but I think it's also just betting that Justin Jefferson is one of a handful of players that you're like, he will make the hall of Fame. Like Justin Jefferson is actually a Hall of Fame player. He's probably going to go down as one of the ten best receivers ever. He's in the prime of his career. Well, no, but I'm saying. But that's really what I think what you're banking on because frankly we've seen rookies who maybe were poor on the field funnel the ball to their best player. I think that it's a. Basically you're like, wait, isn't Justin Jefferson maybe the best single player at his position in the entire league? But I agree with what you're saying where I almost think in a weird look, you know, I'm wrong about a thousand things, but last year I was a big believer in Darnold actually for Minnesota. And I also was never going to be like, yeah, he'll win 14 games. I that was not on my range of outcomes. But I almost think that Darnold succeeding last year has done a weird thing where people are almost now too confident that JG McCarthy will succeed in Minnesota.
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Anybody could play for this guy now. Anybody.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's. There's a middle ground between the Minnesota Vikings are a very quarterback friendly offense and Kevin o' Connell is a great coach. And yeah, Josh Dobbs was able to enter the game and just like they figured it out in the middle of it. And Kevin o' Connell can do anything with anyone. And also, I don't know, McCarthy could still suck for six weeks and have a great career. Like McCarthy could suck this season, have a great career. Like it's not one or the other. He doesn't just have to step in. I think it's funny to think how reactionary we are. And so I agree that there is more volatility. Like if McCarthy just sucks at week one, you go, yeah, that was his first start ever and he's coming off.
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A major knee injury.
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Yes, exactly. And so I, There's a lot, you know, the Vikings did a lot. Kevin Saforder, ESPN wrote a story about how they tried. Kevin o' Connell had all these meetings with him to try to keep McCarthy engaged throughout the season. But overall I'm with you, Craig, where I'm more excited for, like, I'm probably more excited to have other players, which is crazy because it's Justin Jefferson. But, like, I think Pukanuku is. Ceiling's higher. I think Nico Collins maybe even. But maybe that's crazy to say ceiling with Justin Jefferson. Honestly, every time we move Jefferson down, Vikings fans scream at us. I'm like, yeah, I get it. He's like the best player. But to button this all up, we have Jefferson eighth, and I think that we should not move him. And Again, it's Monday, July 28th. If. If he's not practicing by like next Wednesday still, then we're like, okay, let's talk about it. But for the most part, I feel like he'll be back.
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It's also, it's hard to know what's going on with J.J. mcCarthy. We are really in the peak era of NFL training camp propaganda. Like, we got AI videos of Debo Samuel. We got Twitter bots hyping players up. I feel like there are more fake stats and fake reports than ever before about, like, what a quarterback or a player is doing.
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Well, when. When you see a report, I mean, we'll go through all this stuff. You also, the training camp exceptions are not a stat. Training camp completion percentage, those aren't stats.
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There's actual. There's literal accounts on X right now. Verified accounts. This is the problem with like, everyone can be verified now. There's all these verified accounts that are posting videos of J.J. mcCarthy from last preseason throwing a touchdown.
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Well, it's because ESPN screwed it up because they played the video of Brandon Cooks catching a touchdown last year and then ESPN ran it as George Pickens this year.
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C
Right?
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So now everyone's going to try to do that, make fun of espn.
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Well, and like, if you just like, are know how to package a tweet correctly, you, like a Vikings Twitter bought a problem, can just like say J.J. mcCarthy went 10 for 10 and seven for seven drills and Justin Jefferson had two touchdowns. Like, this league isn't ready. And then it gets 5,000 retweets and you believe it.
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It's mostly object permanence. This is my joke where it's like, I hate videos of running backs doing the ladder drill because if you've seen anyone good enough to be high, I don't care if you're a practice what guy. If you're athletic enough to be on an NFL roster for any amount of time, it's like really impressive to watch that dude do a ladder drill because you're like, damn. And like, you know what I mean? And so then the video goes up and people like, it's like, it just, oh, my God. We're watching athletes do athletic things anyway. We don't have to talk about all the online. The point is Internet stupid. Speaking though of things that are hard to figure out. Really weird story. So the Raiders released Christian Wilkins, the defensive tackle who went to Clemson and was drafted by Emmy Miami and was, I mean, considered a very, very, very good defensive tackle. To the point where last year, under different leadership, the Raiders signed Christian Wilkins to. Was it $90 million guaranteed? I forget the exact number.
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Well, it was five years, 110 million total.
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Total.
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Okay. A lot of that was guaranteed. He's already been paid off. 85 million, says Austin. A lot of it has already been paid as well. Like they've already paid him $50 million.
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And so 60 million guaranteed at signing. So over the weekend, the Raiders cut Christian Wilkins. They released him after signing him to this contract a year ago. Dk. What?
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This was Friday, Friday night, I think we were texting about. It is like right after, you know, everybody decided this is classic, you know, bury the news at the very end of Friday night, right into the weekend. But my first thought when I heard this, I didn't know any of the details. None of this stuff had leaked out yet. And it's kind of happened over the weekend. But my first thought was like, oh, yeah, this is Pete going in there, Pete Carroll going in there, making an example of a high priced, high profile veteran and basically sending the message to the team that you're either with us or you're not with us. Basically, you're either in or out. You can't fucking have one foot in, one foot out. You can't kind of be on your own schedule, be on your own thing. Like Pete Carroll, he did this exact same thing when he showed up with the Seahawks. There's this famous story where Pete came in and he likes to do this still, like where every practice is a little bit different. You want to keep everybody on your toes at all times. And he came in and he told all the people to get up. Cause everybody like you do this in anything, everybody kind of sits in the same seat every day at practice. And he told everybody get up and move seats and like sit by someone different. And this was a. Matt Hasbeck was actually sharing this story on, I don't remember what, some show. And he was basically like, one guy didn't move seats. And like the next week that guy was Gone. And he was like a high price starter veteran.
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Yeah. I feel like Carol's thing is, you know the saying, like get out of your comfort zone. Carol doesn't want anyone to have a comfort zone. He's like, you should be able to live in the uncertainty of the moment.
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Basically he wants to create a competitive cauldron. That's what he says. And it's basically a great word. You know, it's, it's everybody making each other better with, with competition. Now, obviously there's other things involved here. The injury is a big deal, obviously. But what's kind of come out with the reporting from Rap Sheet and Schefter is that the team essentially either told or asked him to get a second surgery because the first surgery on his Jones fracture was a foot injury, had not gone well, it wasn't healing correctly. He wasn't on track to get back on the field. So they instructed him and. Or asked him, I don't know exactly. They don't have the power to do that. Not. But they asked him, told him to get another surgery and so he could be ready for training camp and he did not do that. And so I guess like this was been going on back and forth, kind of a battle of wills, what have you, and he didn't get the surgery. He's not ready to play. Pete Carroll after the fact said basically we don't see a path to him playing at this point in 2025. So they went ahead and decided to release him. But I think to me this is more, it's less so that he didn't do the surgery and that he's kind of like behind on schedule and more so just like I said, this is a guy from the old regime, obviously a really highly paid veteran and they're making an example of him to the other people on the team. You're either in or out. And because this is like just, you know, classic peak psychological warfare with his players.
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Yeah. It's like sometimes, I mean sometimes you put a head on a spike.
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Right. And so you know, you know, and he's. Wilkins has fired, filed a grievance through the NFLPA to get some of. Because the Seattle or because the. The Raiders are trying to like get some of his guaranteed money.
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They want the guaranteed money. Guaranteed money is not guaranteed in the NFL.
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Right.
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So you know there's like 60 million guaranteed signing. But they're like certain things like if they think you should get surgery and you don't, they're my guess with all of this and that's all we're doing is guessing. Among many things with the story is if the Raiders cut him, they probably think they're going to win the case. So they knew that he would file a medical grievance and they just clearly think they have the documentation to win. Obviously, we don't know exactly what's going on. Christian Wilkins foot. But, you know, and then the fact that there's even disagreement isn't ideal. But yeah, it's also. But yeah, it's your point, dk like it's a totally new regime. There's like other things that have come out with this too. I don't even know if we need to go into it because it's like late things that are happening just before we started recording. There's weird. I don't know what's going on. I don't know why Adam Schefter's talking about it on McAfee. I don't know. The whole thing's a little weird.
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Justina Anderson reported. Justina Anderson reported the other day that it was one particular incident with a teammate that was very weird or something like. I don't remember exactly the exact word she used, but that was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back. I think for the most part, though, this was probably more primarily related to butting heads with the team not doing what they were asking him to do to get ready and them setting an example less so than this because there's. Shefter reported that he went to kiss a teammate on the top of the head and the teammate didn't like that. Yeah, there's a million things you can take from that. We're not going to dive into it, but I think it's more related to the injury and them butting heads with him over that.
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I think by the time this episode goes up, that story might even already be altered. But overall, that's not why you get rid of someone who is making $25 a year is because something like that. The reality is they didn't think he was going to contribute to the football team.
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It felt like Shefter was. Was choosing his words very carefully.
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Yeah, it was. I don't get me started on that. That was strange. I don't know what's going on.
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The bottom line, though, no sacred cows. This is one of those things where he was a high, high profile, high, high priced, very good player. And, you know, Pete Carol over the years with Seattle in particular, developed a.
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Rep, cracked a couple eggs. He.
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He developed a reputation of being pretty ruthless For a player's coach, he's pretty ruthless with who he's cutting and who he's firing and things like that.
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So how do you feel overall about the Raiders though dk? Because I mean if anything it doesn't make the Raiders defense better to get rid of Christian Wilkins. So now you're looking just overall. You have Geno Smith a quarterback. You have Brock Bowers at tight end. Geno Smith keeps saying he needs to get Brock Bowers the ball. Jacoby Myers, receiver, Ashton Genti at running back. Like this is suddenly one of the coolest teams. Our offense is the NFL. The offensive line is probably better than it's been perceived as because of the quarterbacking last couple years we have two Raiders in the top 15 which has certainly never happened since we've been doing this show. I don't know what are the odds that Genti and Bowers were actually like lower on them than we should be?
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What if Genty, Genti and Bowers gotta be one of the coolest player Combina like skill player combinations we've seen lately. And I think I'm very excited about the Raiders. I think Gino Smith is a very good quarterback. He's a massive upgrade over anything they had last year especially. And it's going to be a pretty concentrated offense. I know people are nervous that's going to be run run heavy and slow, which it will be probably that's peak character.
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So your anxieties are correct, if that. Yeah, yeah.
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But kind of like what we saw with I'd say the Chargers last year, I think the fears are a little bit out of control in terms of how slow and how run heavy it's going to be because you have an efficient quarterback. You have a full, far more efficient quarterback than we had last year. He's going to convert on third downs.
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But just to unpack the slow thing. Slow is a Pete Carroll thing. But Chip Kelly, I mean this was God, 15 years ago at this point. But Chip Kelly's whole thing was having a fast offense. So what happened? Chip Kelly's coaching for Pete Carroll.
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He had a very slow offense last year and they won the national title for Ohio State. So I think that's why Pete Carroll was like, yeah, yeah, that's the one. That's the version I want you to run here in the NFL. I don't think Pete Carroll, based on everything we've seen over the years with the last 14 years of the Seahawks, he's not going to want to want to run a fast paced offense. He's he cares too much about protecting his defense and protecting the football, frankly. So my guess is I feel very strongly they're going to be pretty slow on offense, which means they're going to use more of the play clock, they're going to run the ball, they're going to grind out possessions, hopefully like you know, trying to win all that possession game and everything like that. So our time of possession game I should say. And so I still do think that because the ball, the ball is going to be concentrated so much with Genti, Bowers and Myers. Like all three of those guys are going to be good values. In fantasy though, at the bottom line.
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Is it oversimplified to think that Genty and Brock Bowers are both going to be great?
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No, I think that's, I mean definitely true.
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Like I'm kind of just like, I don't know. There's a huge quarterback upgrade and a play calling upgrade, a coaching upgrade for Brock Bowers. You have Ashton Genti, who's like the most gifted college running back we've seen in a long time. There's very little other competition. I'm kind of just like, I don't know.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Feel like this is going to work.
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C
Well, this is like at least in fantasy, I feel like this is what happened with Bowers where the Kyle Pitts catastrophe that happened was scared us off of what we thought and knew Bowers would be like. Bowers was basically, you know, he's a starter for the national title. Georgia team, like their most prolific player. Like incredible athlete, breaking tackles, incredibly strong, great hands. Yeah, but, yeah, but remember that time he was wearing the weird shirt, I forget was like auto trader or something like that.
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He looked like a software engineer and everybody got scared.
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But he. So my bottom line is the point is he was like one of, if not the greatest tight end prospect of all time. And guess what? He was fucking awesome in his rookie year. Ashton Jente, one of the greatest. Not, not the greatest, but definitely up there in terms of maybe tier 2 of all time running back prospects. Guess what? He's probably gonna be fucking awesome in the NFL.
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B
How is he not tier one?
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I don't know. Because he played for Boise State.
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Probably like literally the only reason because the guys he was playing against, what if all those clips of Ash and Jente bouncing off guys are because those.
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C
Guys, they're like selling insurance for State.
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Farm this year the difference is Brock Bowers did it at Georgia and every week that he was outrunning players and just being unbelievable, Mountain west slammed against Defensive NFL players. Yeah, Bowers.
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C
Just say it.
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I keep looking at Brock Bowers, 15th overall, and I'm like, I wonder if you should just take that every time. But yeah, love Bowers and Genti. Okay, other news here. I almost did sticky in the Bay Area because Niners and Raiders are linked in my mind. But the Niners have more weird news. Craig.
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C
The Niners can never be normal.
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There's such a not just be normal once.
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C
Why can't you be normal?
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Coming off the most injured season in have had in a long time, they're very injured again, especially on offense, man. So Juwan Jennings, who wants a new contract, injured his calf. He has a strain, a repeat of what he had earlier this year. In the spring, he is going to be reevaluated. And calf injuries in San Francisco, I treat those different.
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C
Is it actually a calf injury?
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I treat those a little differently.
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C
Or is it bilateral Achilles tendinitis?
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Right. So we're going to heavily monitor that. Brandon Ayuk, their other star wide receiver who was coming off a torn ACL and MCL in week seven last year.
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Craig, is. Is Brandon. Are you close to having a concrete timeline to return?
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They have no concepts of a plan.
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Not anywhere close.
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John lynch said not quote, not anywhere close. We're not.
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We're not even thinking about a timeline.
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Not anywhere close to a timeline.
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I feel like not only do they are they nervous about Brandon Aiyuk's knee, I feel like they're just also annoyed all the time with Brandon Aiuk. So it's. Yeah, it's kind of a double whammy there. And then some silver lining. Ricky Piersol was activated off the pup. He was back at practice. He did all the individual drills but barely played in 11 and 11. He had like eight reps, but he's back. Their rookie Jacob Cowing pulled his hamstring as well. He's out.
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Dude. Who is practicing at receiver for the Niners?
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Like, who's demarcus Robinson?
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Dude, Not Aquin. Yeah, Aquinimius St. Brown, Amanra's brother. Like, he's playing with pie. Which means Isaiah Hodgins, Isaiah Hodge, he's actually, I think, kind of overqualified for that job. But I. I mean that you're basically saying that Niners, four of their top five pass catchers are just not even like rotating in right now. Like, Piercel had eight reps in his first.
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Who's their other. They. They. Who's their rookie wide receiver? They took in like the first Jordan Watkins.
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Oh, yeah. Jordan. Yeah.
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Jordan, he's kind of getting a little bit of hype right now. I think this is, I mean he's.
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On the field right.
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He's playing.
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People are like who's this guy?
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He's healthy.
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I will say so. I, I, I think if, if we, I really I want to focus on Jennings and Pier Salt because Ayuk it looks like will not he's probably going to miss the first four games of the season at at, at the minimum.
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C
It already feels like a lost season for him to me.
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B
Yeah. And when he comes back it's like how healthy is he going to be?
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C
Yeah.
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B
So Juwan Jennings has his calf injury. Pierceall's back in our rankings. We have Juwan Jennings as 90, 77th overall. We have Ricky Piercel 91st overall. So about 15 spots apart. I do feel like honestly I'm ready to swap those.
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I literally was thinking it, I was.
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Thinking it like I, I, the calf thing I don't want anything to do with if we, if we had to draft soft tissue injuries. I am the most afraid of calf is fucking number one.
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C
Sorry to interrupt. You know the, the rule that we have where if we don't know what the fuck to do with a player we just rank them back to back. Guess who's which players I have ranked back to back in mines.
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B
Oh I, I would Jennings but that.
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A
Was when they were healthy. I think.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Here's, here's the thing about Craig's point again. I who knows with the calf injury.
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B
And like calf injuries in the last three months.
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A
That's the problem. The setback is the problem. This like I this time of year sounds like bilateral. Okay.
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C
When itis.
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B
Don't you put that on him.
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DK it's you don't. I don't like when players have he.
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C
Would play this week if he, if they had a game.
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A
Oh my God. Well maybe the Niners.
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B
It's the most annoying like thing to say. Yeah he probably would play if there was a game this week. Great.
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A
My overall take though with all this is that I think the two like Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle are going to catch an actually unbelievable amount of passes and we should probably look. I mean we have Kittle 38th.
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C
I'm kind of all in on Kittle.
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A
This year and I yeah I kind of just think Kittle Kittle which I kind of think Kittle might be the guy man because him and McAfee are going to be the top two receivers realistically. And I agree with.
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C
I think we trust Kittle with his life which I just, I want to take that and, and draft off of that because who's he going to trust with these other guys?
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B
Also like some of these Niners should be drafted highly. Like if the Niners are going to be good. If you think Purdy's going to have another good season, they have the easiest schedule in the league. Like if, if P is going to throw 35 touchdowns, you got to start drafting some of these guys. And Ricky Piercel probably if he stays healthy will creep up draft boards. Because at the end of last season Ricky Piercel was shot in the offseason and and took a while to get going understandably. But the end of the season he was pretty good. The last like month of the year he was really good versus man a lot of the underlying metrics, all the smart people I trust in the world, the Matt Harmon's of the world say that Ricky Piercel is a good player. And so if he's the guy on the field and and yukes out and who the hell knows what's going on with Joan Jennings. Like I think Peo could be one of the best picks in drafts.
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And he's got that tattoo of the aces humble because he doesn't really know how poker works with all the cards humble on him and the dice.
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C
Do you guys remember that he had one of the fastest three code drills of any player like in combine history. 6.64 seconds. This kid's quickest shit.
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A
Parasol is good and I sneaky little.
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C
Shit just like Purdy.
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A
I will say this about the Niners. Craig just alluded to it but want to just restress that one of the easiest things you can do is just identify which teams are going to be a lot better this year than last year. And the Niners have all Aaron shots. Went on NFL daily last week and talked about it. But the Niners have these overlapping reasons of just basically they were way better than their schedule suggests. They lost a ton of close games, they had the most injuries of any team in the league. And then now they're in addition to all that getting players getting like the biggest switch in schedule going from hard schedule to easy schedule like everything's coming around for them. I will say though this many interest piling up skills every time around. I will just say this. I do think KD and McAffrey the guys in Parasol and that or McAffrey, Kittle, Paris are the guys I want to bet on. But I will say if the Niners have all this advantages and don't make the playoffs. I think John lynch and Kyle Shanahan. I think lynch is going to be out or something.
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C
Just get.
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They're going to be pissed that he. Yeah. But I just, I think it's this. Well, that's true. Maybe I'm dramatic. I just think the sliding doors, if they each talked each other into a terrible decision where I think John lynch talked Kyle Shanahan into the Trey Lance trade and then Kyle Shanahan talked John lynch out of trading Brandon Ayuk and then so now instead of having a first round or whatever the Steelers put on, they have Ayuk barely playing on this giant contract. And I'm just like if the Niners don't actually make the playoffs or make a Super bowl this season, I, I this whole. It's crazy the margins on which the Niners have.
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C
They did they. You're. They signed him in the beginning of 2023. So it's been two seasons.
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A
Yeah. So yeah, I think it might. Yeah. So he's probably close to getting an extension. So anyway, that's not the point. We'll see.
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B
But yeah, in our in our next rankings update, I think we should have Pearsall ahead of Jennings.
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A
I'm down to move Jennings down just because fundamentally having a calf setback, the moment you get back, I'm out. Like I'm officially days is this.
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C
Can we, can we make this like a new let's come up with rules like we're doing with like the tattoos thing. Like if you have a setback in the preseason, we're out. That was like the Cooper cup thing.
- [28:46]
B
Let me describe it like this. Back on the field immediately, Juan Jennings has torn his calf for the second time in the last three months. How does that feel?
- [28:54]
C
Right. He's ripped his calf to shreds.
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B
Well, there are tears in his 10.
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C
Yeah, his, his muscles are tat in tatters right now.
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A
Speaking of people of being in tatters, the other one I want to mention. So this is a good exercise in like how training camp news works. But you probably got on Thursday. We're recording this Monday, July 28th. On Thursday. You probably got it saw somewhere that jets quarterback Justin fields Carter to locker room and then 20 minutes goes by really far. Toe injury.
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C
Yeah. It's a far walk from the locker room to the field. Turns out.
- [29:30]
A
You know, NFL players endure a ton of I mean just the amount of pain hard to imagine. It is hard to even wrap yourself around like how much physical issues these guys.
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B
I feel like I get it.
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A
Having said that I gotta tell you, I think carded for a toe injury is a huge.
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B
Oh, you're going that way. I thought.
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A
No, I'm not saying he should. He should. Like, two things are true.
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B
The re.
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A
Like.
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C
Like when it's like, ow, my toe hurts.
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B
That's a baseball ass injury.
- [29:56]
A
That's wrong.
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C
I stubbed my toe.
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A
I'd be so lying if I said that wasn't my reaction. Like, I'm pickering. I'm picturing Justin Field's torn ACL after the air and it's like dislocated toe. And I'm like, oh, my.
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C
You're like, come on, walk it off for that.
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B
But my fingers hurt.
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A
My fingers hurt.
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C
Okay, Justin, his toe was dislocated.
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A
I know.
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C
Well, no. Have you ever done that?
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A
But I. It is a reminder that for training camp, don't get freaked out by the words carted off. Because carted off during a game obviously means something happened. Card off during training camp is just like. Well, it's far to the. It's our camp. We can.
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B
I would drive my quarterback to and from practice every day.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Healthy or not.
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A
Exactly.
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C
Hey, by the way, Austin sent this over to. It's Send it. Sent this over. He.
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B
He.
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C
Cart. He was carted back in the front seat, which is very different than being on the back. Yeah. Riding around.
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A
He's a passenger.
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C
He's a fucking passenger.
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B
He drove the cart, basically. Yeah.
- [30:53]
C
He's like.
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A
It's like an Uber.
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C
It's like Marshawn lynch driving the injury cart around.
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A
So I think this is one of.
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C
Those where he wasn't carted off.
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B
He drove to the locker room, he was carted. He took the cart to the locker room.
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A
Training. Training camp. Carted off isn't normal. Carted off. I will say, though, it's not. I don't love the dislocated toe for someone who's like any other quarterback. Like, I don't care. I don't love it for Fields where the entire premise of we rank him as a top 100 player. Like, the entire concept is that he's going to run in like, you know, hopefully a thousand yards. So I don't love that he's a dislocated toe.
- [31:26]
C
I read some tweets if it's. And so therefore I feel like I'm pretty much up to date on the medical part of all this.
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B
Okay.
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C
Apparently the only one you really need to worry about is the big toe. Which toe is toes? Who cares? It doesn't fucking matter is the point.
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A
But is it the big toe.
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C
It was the non big toe, which is the report I heard. So it's one of the little pinky toes.
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A
Also, DK being like, wait, you know that drill? DK being like, I've read the post. There's a drill tweet when he's like, oh, you've read a few academic papers on the subject. Well, I've read 1,000 posts.
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B
Hold on. Let me quickly google which toe is most important for balance?
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A
Well, big toe, not even close. But the least.
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C
The big toe is the most important for pushing off.
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B
Right.
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C
That's why you have like a half your toes. Big toe injury.
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A
I would like the fourth toe. The fourth out of five toes is the ring finger of toes. Like, you don't need that thing, do you?
- [32:21]
C
I mean, no, you could lose that to frostbite and be fine.
- [32:23]
B
I would love a power ranking of the toes.
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A
I think big toe is first.
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C
Which toe?
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B
Can we get a scientist on the power rank toes?
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A
I think it's 1, 2.
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C
Which toe is best to lose?
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A
1, 2.
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C
Pinky toe is considered the least important toe.
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B
1, 2, 5, 3, 4.
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A
Yeah, look at your right foot.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So big five is not important.
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C
I just said the pinky toe generally important. I'm. I'm looking.
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A
I feel like I use my pinky toe more than the fourth toe.
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B
Pinky, sneaky important, I think.
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C
Okay, this is. According to Popular Science, the pinky toe, fifth toe is generally considered the least important toe and the one with the least impact on gait and balance. According to medical professionals, losing a pinky toe is less likely to cause significant functional limitations compared to losing the big toe or other toes.
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B
Hold on.
- [33:09]
A
I just pulled up a Reddit big toe is. We're not even talking about the big toe here.
- [33:13]
B
I just pulled up a Reddit thread from 13 years ago.
- [33:15]
C
Hold on.
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B
This guy had two toes blown off.
- [33:21]
C
How?
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A
By a gun?
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B
By a mine. So.
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A
Oh. What I'm seeing is mine blew his toes off.
- [33:32]
C
What I'm seeing is it's big to small. That's the order.
- [33:35]
B
But we 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. When we walked it, we start outside and then come in. So the pinky toe is the first toe touching the ground as you walk.
- [33:43]
C
The side of your foot is though it is important.
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A
Okay, email us at ringer.
- [33:50]
C
Craig's just flagrantly going against the science, but that's fine.
- [33:54]
B
I need to find a folder Reddit thread. Hold on.
- [33:57]
C
He's going to find.
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A
There's a podiatrist listener who can answer this first us.
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B
Yeah, I like. I like Ty's rankings. 1, 2, 1 2, 5, 3, 4. I agree with that.
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A
I mean, that's definitely right.
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B
But maybe 1, 2, 3, 5, 4.
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C
It's not right.
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A
1, 2, 3, 5. Yeah, that was. I was between mine. 1, 2, 3, five, four.
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C
It's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
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A
Anyway, I think Justin Field's gonna be fine. Yeah.
- [34:21]
C
Your pinky toe barely exists. It's just light. It just hangs there.
- [34:24]
B
You hate the pinky toe.
- [34:25]
A
Yo, when I was at vacation, we were at the beach for a week.
- [34:29]
C
And my bro's like, not even like, straight straight.
- [34:31]
A
Yeah, hold on. I'll tell the story. I gotta text him and tell him.
- [34:33]
B
There'S a lot of like. Like all the athletes pinky toes. Like, LeBron's pinky toe is like above his other toe.
- [34:39]
A
I don't want to basket soccer players feet. Oh.
- [34:41]
C
I don't want to see, like, athletes that have been in the game for a really long time. Like, I don't want to see your feet.
- [34:49]
A
Talk about players fingers. Calvin Johnson's fingers, lineman. Like, someone sent us. Fingers are horrific.
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C
Yeah.
- [34:55]
A
Well, dk, any back news, I'd kind of just go to you, but Matt Stafford.
- [34:59]
C
Hey. And my back's doing great lately, so, yeah, Matt Stafford, not the guy that you want to see in conjunction with back soreness or a back injury. Because he's 37 years old, he gets absolutely annihilated at least once a game. It feels like he's one of the toughest players of all time, probably. But back injuries have been kind of like lingering with him since 2018 when.
- [35:25]
A
He broke his back in.
- [35:26]
C
He played through broken bones in his back in 2018, and then he missed seven games in 2022 with a spinal cord contusion. If you have any doubt over the toughness of football players, he bruised his spinal cord.
- [35:40]
A
So should we be out on a guy that has a back issue with that, or should we actually be like, well, if he played with a bruised spinal cord, then why would I care what his injuries are like? He'll be fine.
- [35:48]
C
I think it's more the latter for me. I'm not too worried about it yet. McVeigh has a history of being pretty honest and upfront, I think, about injuries. And McVeigh was. He was downplaying it. Yeah, I'll have to double check that. I'm pretty sure the, you know, the coach Speak index or whatever.
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A
Speak index is a great invention.
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C
They have McVeigh as, oh, yeah, he is trustworthy. Yeah.
- [36:10]
A
Shout out to the coach peak Index. If people don't know, it is basically someone. This guy Greg started.
- [36:17]
B
Basically watching all.
- [36:18]
A
The press conferences, tracking all their statements and then whether they actually follow up. But in a way, there's a little meter, so you actually get to see who lies about injuries and stuff, and it is awesome. Like, Dan Campbell's just honest about everything, and it actually matches the eye test.
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C
So, Sean, it's useful for this scenario especially because what McVeigh is doing right now is kind of downplaying. It's like he's basically said it's nothing new. It's not like he had a setback. It's basically just his back. He's having some back soreness, so we're not going to push it. He's 17 years. This is a 17th season in the NFL. He doesn't need to be out there taking every single rap at training camp. I will say, like, the one thing that's maybe just a touch worrisome is he hasn't played with Devonte Adams before, so hopefully getting some reps with him. I, I, those two are the types of players that I feel like could figure it out as the season starts, but right now I'm not too worried about it. It's basically like, you know, there's a.
- [37:06]
A
Lot we kind of taken because of Stafford missing July time.
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B
Right. You're right. However, you know, I think, like, when you, when you draft a guy like Jamar Chase, the only downside really is like, the offensive line and Burrow being healthy. Right. Two of five Burrow seasons have ended because of injury and he's missed half the season. So, like, that's always a concern. Puka Nuku and Matthew Stafford are, are both concerns in their own right. So it's like kind of like multiplied. So I, I do think that the risk of the Stafford, you basically need both of them to work out last season for one of them to hit. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So that it's a little worrisome.
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C
That's true.
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A
Yeah. I, I'm torn because on one hand, I think Puka could so easily be the number one receiver this year, and Devonte could also be top eight. Like, they could do that together in the same season. And then look at Puka, and I'm like, well, the reason the Rams were able to get him so late is he fell the fifth round of the draft in part, in part because he had all these injuries in college. And then he said, you know, he's had a couple things pop up already in his NFL career and then also.
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B
He plays last year like a maniac.
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A
Yeah he just won't go down doesn't have a sense of self preservation kind of like early Josh Allen so but I we're probably not well another one will circle back up but I think for now we'll leave Puka and Devonte where they are. I think also I want to move Devonte I believe like 40th I think that's too low. Someone were definitely moving down Texans running by Joe Mixon is out quote an extended period of time end quote with a another quote frustrating foot injury.
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C
So all all things that you don't want to hear. This is like it's layered here. This one will be frustrating foot injury. What was the other thing Extended period of time I don't know.
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A
And the other one is he will be reevaluated closer to the season to determine his availability. Reevaluated closer to the season for a full yeah a 29 year old running.
- [38:58]
B
Back who had a ankle injury last year missed extended time another and this.
- [39:03]
A
One I actually think we should seriously think about what to do here because this is I don't want to be over dramatic but like again he's a 29 year old running back with a foot injury being reevaluated like weeks and weeks now. So we're like all right well we'll see. Not to mention he's missing time at the new left side of the offensive line, new system, all that stuff. The other reason I don't like this this is another setback because Joe Mixon had a walking boot in mid June and then he switched to a brace so he's out of the boot but then starts on the non football injury list which means I don't know if there's disagreement how he got hurt or not because sometimes they're wonky with the non football injury list. But I don't like that he immediately now is hurt again or whatever's there are a thousand things could be going on whether something got worse maybe they disagreed I don't know saying he's not responding but something is not going to plan. I don't like that and so I we we had mixed in about 40th or yeah we right right behind Alvin Kamara. I think we got to move mixing down somewhere between at least like a dozen spots behind Chuba Hubbard and if you wanted to move mixing down 40 spots I wouldn't even argue with you because at the end of the day why would you risk one of your first six picks. Being a running back that has a foot, you know what I mean? It's like your foot doesn't get better as the season goes on. So I don't know. I think we got to move mixing way down and then it's not clear who we necessarily should be mixing up or moving up because Nick Chubb, we have to move up a lot. I think suddenly Nick Chubb is maybe now someone we should have 120th, 130th at least, and then maybe even higher if mix is going to miss time.
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B
It's tough that the guy that you're going to try to get excited about because a 29 year old running back is down with an injury is another 29 yard running back. He's coming back from like the most excruciating knee injury I've ever seen in my life.
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A
Yeah. So it's that Nick Chubb is the other guy there.
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C
Is there any chance it's one of these other guys that.
- [40:43]
A
Well, Daniel Pierce is also on the physically unable to perform list. And then you have David Pierce.
- [40:49]
C
Man, what the hell.
- [40:50]
B
That was one of my all time misses. I thought that guy was awesome.
- [40:55]
A
So Woody Marks is a rookie out of usc. So. So you have Nick. Nick Chubb is the healthy guy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I this one, I think we'll have to give it another week of training camp and kind of see who starts out. But I have a hard time envisioning a healthy Nick Chubb not earning carries if mixing's out. But I also know mixing comes back. You know, we'll see what happens. But I this, it's weird because I think people are bullish about the Texans and yet this backfield might now be a stay away for me or at least I want a cheap lottery ticket. I don't think I want to get involved with Mix and I don't know what's going on here, but we'll have to see how this shakes out. But we got to move mixing way down.
- [41:27]
B
Yeah, we do. I agree. I think, I think like a good 15, 20 spots.
- [41:32]
A
This is not huge for fantasy, but I do just think this is one of the biggest stories in the NFL and I'm really going to be a caricature myself. But this is from espn. Travis Hunter is practicing both ways and ESPN reports Jags are going to play Travis Hunter on offense and defense in Friday night scrimmage at their stadium. First time we'll do that in training camp. And head coach Liam Cohen said that basically paraphrasing him. They're going to see if. How he plays offense, defense in the same scrimmage, whether they will alter his detailed practice schedule. They have his practices and meetings kind of mapped out for the entire month of August, and they want to see if they need to tweak it. And Liam Cohen said that'll be kind of not a defining moment, but an evaluation time for us, which. Well, he says it's not a defining moment, but honestly, if Travis Hunter balls the fuck out, like, I think it's a defining moment. You know what I mean?
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C
So I, I, this is Friday.
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A
This is the coming Friday.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
I know you guys think I'm overly obsessed with this, but in a weird way, I think it's been underplayed that I, the number two pick in the draft might just play offense and defense this year. But I just, it's like they're going to try this week and I.
- [42:35]
C
Okay.
- [42:35]
A
If it works out, I think it's gonna be the coolest. I honestly think if, if it goes perfectly, which again, maybe it's not even a 10 out of 10 outcome, 8 out of 10. But I do think there's a chance Travis Hunter wins the offensive rookie of the offensive and rookie defensive rookie of the year this year. Like, I think that is on the table, and I want to see if that's the case. Flip side is maybe he pulls his hamstring and he's pretty skinny.
- [42:58]
C
I know I'd be, I'd be careful about, like, doing victory laps after one or two weeks, though.
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A
I am, I am excited. I'm not, I'm not a victory lap. It's an ex. I'm excited. But for fantasy, it's weird because, like, Liam Cohen's also saying, yeah, some weeks he might have to play more defense than others. Like when the Jags play the Bengals. I have a feeling that Travis Hunter will be needed on defense that week.
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C
It's going to be. Yeah, he's going to be such a unique. I mean, he is a unique player, but it's such a unique fantasy experience because it's going to be like, oh, God, what do we get this week?
- [43:28]
B
Yeah, right. If they're playing the Bengals, are you maybe not starting him because he's going to play more defensive than offense? Predicting how much he'll play is going to be a huge pain in the ass.
- [43:36]
A
And that's the weird thing. So we have Travis Hunter ranked 67th, and I think you could argue that you want him 55th, 50th, or whatever. I think you're going to Use him as a receiver and I think he's going to be just as good or better than Ted McMillan. I think you can make this whole very easy case that Travis Hunter's going to be great. I also think if you don't want to fucking take him at all, that's fine. You're like, I don't want to guess if my offensive player will be a defender this week. Like I, yeah, maybe that's a terrible way to spend your time. So I get it. I like Travis Hunter a lot. But also he, not to be hyperbolic, but he's, he's literally going to be a totally unique player. There's never, I mean it's, I just think 60 years since we've tried this.
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B
I just think he's a cooler real life player than a fantasy player. I mean, it's just, it'll be remarkable to watch him on a, on a week to week basis. But like his in his risk of getting injured is literally doubled because he's playing twice the snaps as everybody else. And, but it, but, and yet tackling.
- [44:24]
C
He's like £190 too.
- [44:26]
B
And yet it's not like his fantasy points have the possibility of doubling as well. Like he's just a receiver like anybody else. He's just playing twice as much.
- [44:33]
A
Yeah. I think that's ultimately the correct analysis is he's way cooler in real life and if he also is actually fantasy capable, that's awesome. But you might not want to be the guy holding the bag for it.
- [44:41]
B
Also I'm like, he, he better be playing both ways. I mean, fuck, he traded up from five to two, gave away a first round pick for him.
- [44:47]
C
You bet.
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You better.
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A
I know.
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B
That's the whole point.
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A
I know. They paid for two people. All right, we get to some other stuff, but first, let's take a quick break. This episode is brought to you by Yahoo. Fantasy. Yahoo. Fantasy is the best place to play fantasy football this season. Starting August 4th, Yahoo. Fantasy is dropping 28 big new features over 28 days, giving you more ways to play, draft and win. Stay tuned and get started by creating or joining a Yahoo. Fantasy football league today@yahoo. Fantasy.com theringer Discover Ralph's Club New York. The new fragrance by Ralph Lauren. With black currant, vanilla and sandalwood, this scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like a city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York Ralph Lauren Shop now@macy's.com. all right, I want to get through A couple other things that weren't quite as big of a deal but I do think were notable.
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Starting one of those 28 Yahoo features the Kyle Pitts cam so that we can know what's going on. Always watching day because it's. It started the Kyle Pitts year five. Is it year six? No, it's year five for Kyle Pitts, right?
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A
It is year five seasons.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. He's contract year for Kyle Pitts.
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B
The voodoo has begun. Once again we are underway. There was a Michael. I'm going to run through a few things that we've been seeing. There's a Michael Penix quote, an oppressor. He said oh yeah, I got KP the ball a lot today. There's going to be a lot of that going forward. Everybody's very excited about that couple. That's Darnell Mooney, the Falcons wide receiver out for a couple of weeks with a shoulder injury. There's. There's kind of like people realizing every year people realize how young Kyle Pitts is and there's usually like there's like this year the thing to say is like he's younger than Michael Penix, which he is.
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C
He's the year.
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B
He's three years, three months younger than Michael Penix. And also factoring in that, you know, last year I'm talking myself into Kyle Pitts. By the way, last year Kyle Pitts was getting drafted. I think I mentioned this before but he was getting drafted around like 60th and as the seventh tight end this year he's getting drafted or he's being ranked around like 150th and around like the 18th tight end.
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C
Great.
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B
I'm just. And it's like, it's just exhaustion.
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A
People are tired of it. That's when you go get it.
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B
And then to add on to it, the style of play that Michael Penix has is perhaps more conducive to Kyle Pitts playing style. Vertical threat, a guy who pushes the ball down the field. Not something Kirk Cousins did with his noodle arm and not something the prior quarterbacks really did. So perhaps Michael Penix is actually the best fit to unlock Kyle Pitts who is like three years now removed from his. From his knee injury.
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C
I just need to see. I'm okay with you doing this again, Craig.
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B
Okay.
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C
I'm going to stand on the sidelines on this one because I don't want to let myself.
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B
Let me tell you that.
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C
I don't want to hurt. I don't want to get hurt again.
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B
Yeah, Kyle Pitts is Being drafted significantly behind guys like Dallas Goddard and Jake Ferguson, who are. Who are good, solid players.
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C
Just got a huge new contract, by the way.
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B
Right, right, right. Good, solid players who are probably going to get you four catches for 50 yards every. And you cross your fingers, they get seven touchdowns this year.
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C
Right.
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B
Kyle Pitts, the ceiling is the roof.
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C
Yeah, I saw this. I saw this meme the other day that was like. You know, from Ocean's Eleven, it's like, does he make you laugh? And then Julie Roberts says, he doesn't make me cry.
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A
Does he make me cry?
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C
I'm like, you know what? Jake Ferguson, does he make me laugh? Nah. But he doesn't make me cry.
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B
You know, there's another Ocean's Eleven line that I thought of that also just reminds me of Kyle Pitts when Clooney and Pitt are sitting at the bar and they're like, you want to do one more?
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C
You think we should do it? We need one more.
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B
All right.
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C
He'S going back to the. Well, here's the thing. Here's what. Here's what I was going to say.
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B
You think we should draft him again?
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C
I think.
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B
All right, we'll draft him again.
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C
Craig. Here's all I want to see. I want to see proof positive that he's good at football.
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A
Well, but here. Why do you need that? Because he's cheapest.
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C
It's because nobody's pictures.
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A
But here's the thing. It's the cheapest he's ever been. I'm just saying he's not 140th. Like, this is my Anthony Richardson argument.
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C
It's not. It's not about. It's not about where you're drafting him. It's about my emotions. It's about how it feels to have to hit that button again after the betrayal, after taking him back.
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B
Would you go back to a restaurant that gave you food poisoning if the meal was free?
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A
That. Honestly. That's a great point, Craig. That's exactly what we're talking about. I don't know what the answer is.
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C
I don't. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.
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A
Craig's analogy is perfect.
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C
Shame on me, fool me, not gonna fool me again.
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B
Yada, yada, whatever.
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C
He's not gonna be fooling me again.
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A
Won't be fooling me again. If some. It's like the people who got food poisoning at the restaurant are never going back there, but if you know someone who did and you got a coupon like, yo, what are the odds? Like. Like, come on. And it just I mean, so I think the. Realistically, the people who are listening, who've never had Kyle Pitts just do it. The people have had him. You've been burned. Like, I get it. You're mad. You're mad. We've been talking about it, but I'm like, he's ranked so low because he's outside the top 140. Like, these are players that you are. Might cut before the season begins.
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C
I mean, you're. You're completely right. You're completely right. I will be. What I'm doing is I just don't want to be part of this anymore.
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B
Oh, I'm doing it. Oh. Oh, I'm doing it.
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A
So anyway. Yeah, I'm doing it, too. I'm going to take Kalpitz because I just. The only thing worse that would be him being great, and then someone else got him and just want to.
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C
I just want. I just want to see him be good. Like, I want to see some routes that. Where he looks like he's like, okay, okay.
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B
But then he's good. And then next year, you have to draft him in the top 50 again.
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A
Yeah. When the joke's on you.
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B
And then he sucks. This is the year.
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A
Yeah. Hasn't learned to not throw to him yet.
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C
This is his year.
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B
We could be that mistake.
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A
We could be that mistake. Yeah, that's exactly.
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C
I'm telling you, Craig, I got to get a glimpse of these warlocks before I.
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B
You know, I saw. Did you guys see the video of Pitts walking to practice? And he was, like, all chipper and happy. That, like, messed up.
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C
That is actually good.
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B
You know, he was. He, like. He did some, like, little spin thing in front of the reporters or he was, like, joking around, and I was like, wow.
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C
It's got. It's like the Bryce Young thing. He's got his mojo back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Also, it's a contract year for pits. That's the thing. He's gonna get paid. Like, if you think players don't think about that, talk about it. Get their quarterbacks to, like.
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C
Pitts is, in Hyphen's words. He may not like football, but he. Everyone likes money.
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A
Everyone likes money. And so, you know, other stuff. The Browns, I. I hate the Browns, but I don't hate them. I just feel bad for them. But Browns, they have a lot of. The quarterback competition is weird. So sh. Sanders is not getting first team reps, but then Kenny Pickett pulled his hamstring, so then he's out for a little bit. And so it's Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel, the rookie at Oregon who was drafted, you know, by the front office and then ownership basically decided to take Shitter Sanders. So I feel like it's going to be Joe Flackover still in Gabriel. We'll see what happens. But can he. The hamstring pole is bad time for Kenny Pickett because the Browns have a joint practice for the Eagles. I forget what date, but you kind of need your quarterback by then. I feel like it's going to be Flacco, but then if it's not, I feel like if Flacco loses the job at any point in the middle of the season, I wonder if it's going to be Dylan Gabriel. We'll see. He. I mean, Dylan Gabriel's on the shorter side. It's like 5 11. So, I mean, I'd be curious to see if he could play from the.
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C
NFL pocket on the shorter side, he says.
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A
I was trying to be polite, but how tall is he? He's 5 11. 5 11. He's probably air quotes.
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C
What is he. What's. What's his technical number here?
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B
Let me google. How tall is Dylan Gabriel? Actually.
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C
According to the Combine website, which I don't think does the eighths of an inch thing, he is 5 11.
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A
Okay.
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B
Okay.
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A
So, yeah, Brown's. It's an ugly offense. But then also the running back thing's bizarre because Quinn Shaw Judkins, who they took very high in the second round, still has not signed his contract after the domestic violence and battery charge in Florida. And so if Judkins doesn't sign, I mean, never mind. We don't know what's going to happen there. We don't know if Judkins will be suspended or what's going to go on there. I mean, if Judkins doesn't sign soon, like, eventually the rookie season just might be a wash because if you start to get two, three weeks in training camp and you're not even there, then, like, you're just not going to be part of the year. Like, a rookie can't miss not just practices, but also all the meetings and stuff. Like, he's just not going to be part of the season.
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C
It's really tough. Yeah.
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A
So, yeah. So. And aside from obviously, we don't know what else is going on with the case and everything. So then, so the Browns, you have Jerome Ford, who's the starter, but then he's not practicing because he has some undisclosed injuries. So the person actually practicing as the Brown starting running back is Pierre Strong, who we don't Even have ranked. And then Dylan Sampson, who was their other running back that drafted who I love at a Tennessee. And it's kind of like Kirkland Brand, Tony Pollard, he's like rotating in. So I don't know what's going on. We got to move Jerome Ford up because. And we got to move Judkins down. Like, I think Judkins has got. We might have to drop him like 50 spots because I actually think he's gone from maybe starting running back for the Browns to borderline, like, barely participating in the. In this. In the beginning of the NFL season. So I think Judkins has to drop 50 or 60 spots. I think we got to move Jerome Ford into like, that. There's that tier now of like, weird starter guys who could just straight up maybe be the starter. Javante Williams and or Miles Sanders, depending on what goes on in Dallas, is now there with like, Jerome Ford is now there with Nick Chubb. Like, there's weird pseudo maybe week one starters on decent offenses. But then there's the Browns, where I think the offense could suck. But also Stefanski is moving back away from the Watson offense. I don't know. Overall, I still think the vibes in Cleveland are horrific and I kind of don't want these players, but we do have to move them around.
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B
Yeah. Jerome Ford is about to be the ugliest flex player in fantasy history this year who's just going to like, get you 11 points a a week and nobody will ever think about him once.
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A
Yes. Big girl. Don't really want him. Other stuff. I have a couple other things, but I will just say Jir Gibbs turned his number zero. I don't think we discussed this. Jir Gibbs is number zero. Yeah.
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B
What was 26?
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A
He was 26.
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C
And I like the number zero. I think you have to have a certain amount of swag to wear it or it doesn't work. But James has more than enough.
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A
Gibbs has plenty of like was a mistake.
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C
Right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I agree.
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C
I'm into it.
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B
Zero's cool if you can pull it off.
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C
I want to move him up.
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A
Should we. Should we rank him zero?
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C
That'd be good.
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A
Other stuff, I have a log report here of just random offensive line news because DK's quote that who's. I always mess it up. Who's the person with the joke about log?
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C
Brian Regan. There's a joke and I'll just explain the joke rather than try and say the joke.
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B
Great.
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A
Sick. I love that.
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C
There he goes. So I saw two log trucks pass each other on the highway the other day. And I thought to myself, well, if they need logs, and if they need logs, simple phone call would have saved.
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B
A lot of trouble.
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C
Yeah. So what you're saying all offensive linemen are logs?
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A
Well, you said kickers are logs, and I kind of.
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C
Kickers are logs. They're all fucking replaceable.
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A
When lineman sign, interchange, Runyon Jr. Signs from the packers to the Giants and.
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C
Everything, everyone's like, some guy goes undrafted, signs with whatever team, and all of a sudden he's the best kicker in the NFL for a year. And then the next year he gets a hit, he becomes a head case, and he sucks. And then some other guy becomes the best kicker in the NFL.
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B
It is funny, though.
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C
Hype.
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B
It's like if teams just change offensive linemen, it's just like positive news. Like, if they just get new offensive lineman, it's like.
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A
Yeah, new is checks.
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B
Yeah. The new offensive line effect is. Is great pr.
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A
So it's even worth doing. The Dolphins, should we just move on? Move on from. I feel like we explained it. I'm exhausted now.
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B
Sure. Unless it's about Storm Duck.
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A
Well, yeah, actually. Yeah, I was going to mention the line. Yeah, actually, it was. Dolphins are the worst quarters. Storm Duck already burns towards acl. And so Storm Duck, he's a star for this team. Dolphins. Dolphins are going to have a guy named Duck starting for them at cornerback.
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B
Dad, I met a great guy out last night. He's super nice. He treats me well. He really loves me. He's got a really good job, makes a lot of money, and I'm excited.
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C
For you to meet him. What's. What's his name?
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B
What's his name? Well, his last name is Duck. Okay. You don't, you know, you don't choose your last name. What is his first name? Well, it's Storm.
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C
Storm Duck.
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B
Storm Duck.
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C
You can't just say Storm. It has to be Storm Duck.
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B
I also.
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C
Teammates call him Storm.
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B
I don't want to make fun of him because it's a cool name.
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A
It's like, it is great.
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B
It is a cool name.
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A
It's a brand.
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B
You know, what's the best. Is his middle name is Chandler.
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C
No way.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So his parents were like, storm Duck is fucking sick. And they're like, yeah, but hold on here. We need to go with something to kind of. To kind of even things out just in case Storm doesn't. Like, what if he's not in the NFL? Chandler. Great, dude.
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C
The best thing is great. Well, that's good. But this is Also good. His dad's name was Todd Duck. I don't know if I could think of a better name than Todd Duck.
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B
He was named after Storm Logan, a character on the soap opera the Bold and the Beautiful.
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C
Okay.
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A
Really?
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B
That was not what I would have guessed.
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C
Is it still a cool name?
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B
Craig Storm Logan. It's less cool. Wow.
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C
I really hope Storm Duck has a great season. That would be great for us.
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B
Personally, I love sd. Coolest name in the NFL by far, right? Storm Duck.
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C
It's up there. Storm Chandler Duck.
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B
Storm Chandler Duck.
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A
All right. A couple other dumb things that happened. Can we just note other dumb. Can I just run through a list of dumb stuff and then we'll get to emails. Other dumb training camp stuff. Was there any hype, any training camp hype that you guys wanted to get out there? Just like training camp propaganda.
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B
Oh, good.
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C
I saw some pretty sick throws from Anthony Richardson. Not going to lie. Accuracy, baby.
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A
Wow. Wow.
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C
Accuracy. He's showing it. There was one play where he was drifting to his left, threw across his body, hit Alec Pierce on a play. Couldn't see anything else that's happening. You know how like the social media teams for the teams like zoom in really far because they don't want anybody to see. Be able to see like what the schemes are or anything like that.
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B
There's no defenders.
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C
They. It's just like follows the ball in the air. This guy's gonna be a problem. That's a good one. I'm all in.
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B
Yeah, I love it. I love training camp season.
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C
Most importantly, Daniel Jones has not. Not been impressive. I think it's the. Is the funny part. I think Anthony Richardson winning the competition by default would be the funniest possible thing this could happen.
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B
I feel like there's been some good PR with Rogers in the locker room. Will Howard loves them. Said that you can't judge a book by its cover. He wanted to go in with an open mind. Says he loves.
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A
Is he gonna say he has to spend all day with all year?
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B
He didn't have to go into a soliloquy about how cool he was.
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A
100% he does. What's he gonna say?
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C
Aaron Rodgers isn't a guy that needs his ego strokes.
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A
6Th round pick will Howard. They're gonna ask him, hey, Will, have you enjoyed being around Aaron Rodgers? And Will Howard's like, yep.
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B
Well, he could have been like, yeah, it's great. He's a legend. I'm so happy to be learning from him. Like, it's been wonderful being with him. But instead he went into a detailed account of what his relationship has been like with him.
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A
Just saying if Aaron Rodgers couldn't impress Will Howard that he shouldn't be playing in the NFL.
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C
Did he say what they're talking about?
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B
Oh, no, he didn't.
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A
Well, Aaron Rodgers talked to Kyle Brandt over the weekend.
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B
I saw that. I thought that was also a good response. You know what Rogers is good at? He's good at, like, quickly learning the history about the team he's on. Like, he kind of quickly went back into the history of the Steelers, and it really played well. He knows what he's doing.
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A
Yeah, yeah. He's on the pat. Yeah, it's. It's. I would say that Rogers, to put it generously, I guess the generous version would be maybe Aaron Rodgers has been misunderstood and that we should. You know what? If he just plays well for like, two or three games, we're gonna be like, oh, yeah, he was one of the best players in the NFL. The jets suck. And now he's on another competent team. He'll be fine.
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C
And I would say an enigma. Yeah.
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A
And the sin. Yeah. And the cynical version, kind of an enigma. You know what? A lot of toxic men do a great job of coming off. Like, everything everyone said about them was wrong immediately. And they kind of. You get love bombed. And then it's like, oh, wait, this guy's taken over my entire life.
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B
He did.
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A
I can't get out of this.
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B
Rogers did have a quote. I think it was in the Cal Brandt interview. I apologize if it's not where he was like, people have these preconceived notions of me based on Twitter and my documentary and the things you're seeing online. And I was like, wait, wait, wait.
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C
And my weekly appearance on the Pat.
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B
McAfee Show, I was like, you made the documentary like, the one skipping camp.
- [61:54]
A
To make the one you filmed.
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B
You decided every single thing that was in that documentary.
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A
This is your control.
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B
What are you talking about? People are judging me based off my three part documentary on Netflix. Well, you made it.
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A
Is that better or worse than he was? Like, people are canceling me as he was being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak on ESPN week every single week.
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C
He's, like, trying to silence me.
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A
Yeah, yeah. People trying to silence me as I'm being paid to talk. Yeah. The more I think about the Steelers thing, I think I'd rather be out and then be good than be in and then be out. I for sure that's my version of what DK is saying with K Pits. I cannot do the Rogers thing again and be wrong. Like I, I'm gonna just like, you know what if the Steelers are good? That's an interesting thing.
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B
That's, that's the right way.
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C
Can I, can I ask a real question football question about your number two receiver. How are we feeling about Roman Wilson? Seeing some Roman Wilson hype out there. The number two receiver.
- [62:55]
B
I feel like sometimes in the NFL it's like if the, if the rookie season doesn't work out, the player just disappears.
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C
Right. He ceases to exist.
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B
You know what I mean? And Roman Wilson, I think he like literally played five snaps in 2024. Cause he got injured before the season started and he basically was hurt for most of the season, came back and then got hurt again. But this guy's a third round pick. He was awesome in Michigan with JJ McCarthy.
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C
I'm rooting for him. He has a great story too, the backstory with him. If it's. You talk to him about this.
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A
Yeah. So I talked to Roman Wilson at the Senior Bowl. So the room. So it was, it's really cool. So yeah. You guys mentioned. Yeah. Third round Pickett of Michigan. Roman Wilson's interesting. We're at the Senior bowl and the Senior bowl is in some ways overrated, but in some ways like a really good showcase. And every year you kind of can. The cream of the crop does rise. And you do see in padded practices, like there was a weirdly good hit rate of people in the stands just looking there be like he's an NFL player and being right.
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C
Yeah. Receivers I think.
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A
Yes, yes. Receivers versus defensive backs and linemen. You can tell. And so the, it was very clearly who the best defensive back was. It was Quinion Mitchell who ended up being the Eagles and one of the best cornerbacks. Yeah, the receiver clearly best receivers. Roman Wilson. And they went head to head and they, it was one of them like end of practice, like best guy, best guy rep. Like everyone's around him in a circle and like it was awesome. And they had like three reps. I, I, they, I think they split the first two. I think Roman will got a catch in the last one. But it was. Roman Wilson was good enough to go against Quinya Mitchell and it was awesome. And I talked to him after and Roman, honestly I'm just gonna rant now, but Roman Wilson had a really cool story. He commuted by plane to high school. Like he would. He lived with. They put. He was interviews from Hawaii and he went to high school on a different island to have better access to like, a better team, better education, everything. But his dad worked for an airline, so he could work. He could fly for free Monday to Friday, be with a different family. And he would have to. Or no, sorry. Every morning he would fly, but it was standby, so he'd get there five in the morning, crate. Like, he literally had to get in a plane, like, every day to fly to a different island. But he. He said something to me I never hear players say, which was, I wasn't very good at running routes or catching footballs, and I just had to work to get better. But he's like, I actually naturally was not very good at it. And he became a good route runner, so he very easy person to root for. Very good story. Yeah, I know I'm ranting right now, but I do just want to point out, I think the Steelers in Washington are anti teams where Jaden Daniels is really young. So you think Washington's young? They're the oldest team in the league. I think the Steelers because Rogers is old. You think they're old because they have Watt and Hayward. The Steelers offense is actually kind of young.
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B
Oh, I mean, yeah. Look at. I mean, the receivers outside. I mean, DK Metcalf is their oldest receiver at 27 base, pretty much. You have Calvin Austin, you have Roman Wilson. I mean, their whole offensive line is super young. They have Caleb Williams, a rookie running back. Yeah.
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A
So, yeah, yeah. Kayla Johnson, the rookie running, and then Broderick Jones, the left tackle, which we'll see if he sits there. Zach Frazier is one of the best centers. Troy Fountaina, we'll see. He had an injury, but, yeah. So I think the Steelers, if Rogers is good, like, it is young, younger.
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C
Than you think team, their offensive line is all. Except for Isaac. So Mallow, it's guys within the last, like, two years in the draft.
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Yeah. So they could take a bigger leap than you think. So that is, to me, the argument for Pittsburgh. It's not necessarily Rogers. It's. There's a lot of players that could all get better really quickly. Okay. All right. I want to talk about something that concerned me. Did you guys see the Malik. The video of Malik, neighbors from Bleacher Report trying to figure out how long a yard is?
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I did. Unfortunately, I did.
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C
I did not see this.
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Okay, I'm pulling it up now. Craig, why?
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C
I. Oh, it's like, with a. With like a.
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A tape.
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They hand Malik neighbors a tape measure, and they ask him to close his eyes and roll out how long he thinks a yard is on the tape measure. And I think he gets to 5 inches.
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7 inches.
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7 inches.
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The funny thing is this is like a take on, like, the social media, like, meme where they ask a girl to pull out a thing of how long their boyfriend is or what have you. So this is a little. A little sexual.
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B
So I think Malik Neighbors thinks his penis is a yard long, which, hey, more power to you. Yeah, it was literally seven inches. Like, actually, you know what was worse is he closed his eyes and he took a while to get to the 7 inches, really thinking about.
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C
And then he goes and lays it.
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A
Down on the yard steps.
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B
Like, I. It is shocking. It's shocking.
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A
Very concerning. An NFL also link neighbors was unbelievable last year. And to think that an NFL wide receiver could think a yard is 7 inches is genuinely like if we're podcasters. And Craig was like, how long's an hour? And I was like, I don't know, 14 minutes.
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I. Maybe it's like an object permanence thing. And like, when he's on the field, he understands the concept of a yard. And then when he gets off the field, he just loses it all. It's like field of Dreams or something. The second he stays on the field, if I.
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A
Do you think that this will break Malik Neighbors? Like, could he have 2,300 yards this year? Because they're like, hey, like, that's actually what you're supposed to be doing all the time. Now he knows how yard is. Yeah, I couldn't. But then they took it in the field. He's like, oh, yeah, wait, that's way wrong.
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B
Which, like, yeah, I just. I don't get it at all.
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A
But yeah, I will say that. I was watching. I watched this video with Jackie, and Jackie pointed out, she was like, what? She's like, I did always think that football yards were fake. Like, like a football field being a hundred yards. You're like, oh, okay, cool. And then when you walk onto a field, 10 yards, like on the television, looks like really far sideways. But then if you're on a field, 10 yards is like, nothing.
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C
No, it's. Yeah, it's totally true.
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A
It looks so not like if you're playing golf and you're 100 yards out, you're not like, yeah, I'm a football field out. Like a Patrick Bones throwing a football 50 yards is like, inconceivable. And then if you have a 50 yard chip, you're like, oh, this is really not far at all. Like, it's strange.
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B
People still. I, like, I still have conversations where it's like, people don't realize that golf is, is so much further than football. When you say, like, you drove the ball 300 yards and then you go, oh, that's like three football fields. And they go, no, it's not. It's 300ft. I'm like, oh, wait, I guess I did just drive at three football fields.
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Yeah, you hit. You hit. Yeah, like you hit a gap wedge. A football field. That sounds wrong. That sounds incorrect. And like, even when I'm in a football stadium, I'm walking around SOFI stadium, I'm not like, oh, yeah, I could hit a pitching wedge, like, way into the stands. But you, but it's, it's only, but.
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C
Doesn'T it that make it that much more impressive that it's so hard to get 10 yards? It's like so hard to get a first down for some teams.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Just lets you know how difficult football is. You're saying, right?
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A
It should, but.
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B
Or I could just pull out my gap wedge.
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A
Yeah. Or, you know, just neighbors. Just a yard, you know, some guys, you know, measure differently.
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B
I, maybe he was confused, I don't.
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A
Know football players confused about what is a yard. It's such a straightforward question.
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C
Question.
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B
I don't know. But I, I, I kind of refuse to accept that that's what he thought. Something must have been going on.
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A
My theory, after watching it over and over, is that what happened was I think he was like, oh, well, if I take a step, that's a yard. And he looked down at his feet.
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B
He did.
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A
And he was trying to figure out the gap between the bottom of his heel and the front of his toes, which is probably 7 inches. But like, if you're stepping a yard, you're measuring all the way like that. That doesn't make any sense.
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Do you think the qu was the question worded confusingly at all?
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A
No. They were like, close your eyes and tell us how long you think a yard is. And he did 7 inches. And he looked at it and he was like, yeah, and they were like seven inches.
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C
I like, the best part is how he goes and lays it down on the field and he's like, oh, my God.
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B
Like, he had to go do that.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Oh, my God.
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A
Anyway, yeah. Email us if you have any thoughts on yards in football. Okay. Other dumb stuff. Just dumb football stuff and other stuff. I just wanted to note Jared Verse, the Rams defensive end got invited Aaron Donald's house. And Aaron Donald does not greet him, says, come on in. And they start doing a cardio workout so hard that Jared Verse tried to lie and leave, and Aaron Donald wouldn't let him go. And Jared Verse said, my. My mom is at my house and she. My. I don't. My keys. So she's locked out. And Aaron Donald's like, oh, cool. I'll have my assistant, like, go drop her off the keys. Just give me him.
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B
This is like when Puka Nuku was throwing up working out with Cooper Cup.
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A
Exactly like that. Jared versus Jared Verse, defensive rookie of the year is like, I actually, like, lied. I couldn't. I couldn't.
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C
Can you imagine working out with Aaron Donald?
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A
No, no.
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C
One more intimidating.
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A
Other important thing. Air Bud, which we just talked about. Airbud is returning in 2026.
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B
We willed that back into. The name has not been revealed. Right. We don't know what the name of the sixth movie will be.
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A
Do you think we could name.
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C
We have yet to judge how good of a pun it is.
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B
Do we know what sport?
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A
Well, no, they should do the. No, but they should just reboot it.
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C
Because they start from the beginning.
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A
Yeah, like, they remake good movies and they should remake.
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C
Go back to the beginning.
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A
Yes. Just do it like.
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C
Yeah, airbud the puppy.
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B
Oh, Craig.
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C
The. The picture. The. Like, the poster for airbud Returns. It's called airbud Returns, by the way. Maybe.
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B
Oh, okay.
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C
I don't know for sure if this is real or not, but it says it's a. It's him holding a basketball. Oh, standing on a basketball.
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B
So great. That's exciting.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Nice. Other things.
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B
Is it going to be like, an aged airplane coming back? Torn Achilles or something? That'd be cool. Kind of weathered.
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C
It's just going to be a lot of cameos from professional basketball.
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B
It's going to be all the most famous dogs from all over.
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C
Ooh, I like that.
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B
Actually, it's just going to be a bunch of, like, Instagram dogs with Instagram accounts with, like, millions of followers in this movie. Yeah, that one with the tongue that's always out. That little Chihuahua. He'll be in it. I think he died, actually.
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A
Jesus, Craig, that is a weird thing when dogs with Instagram accounts, like, die.
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B
Isn't his name Marnie or something?
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A
Well, there was the dog with the bones.
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C
The ugliest dog of all time or whatever.
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A
Yeah, Bones day. And it's like, it's a Bones day. But yeah, then the dog passes away.
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B
And then it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Marnie. Marnie died March 5, 2020.
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A
Oh, man. So what do they do? Do they have a different dog?
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B
He never Saw the pandemic though. So that's good.
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A
Oh yeah.
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C
So that's good.
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B
He, he was 19 though, man. He's born in 01, October 01. So he missed 9, 11 and damn.
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C
He was 19 years old.
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A
For a one hour dog.
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B
If you're going to pick 19 years right after 9 11, right before the pandemic is the perfect stretch. Oh, what.
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A
Should that be? The cold open.
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C
God.
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B
He only knew peace, Marnie. He was a good luck dog. Look what happened when he died. The whole world went. Went under anyway.
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A
All right, let's take a quick break. Discover Ralph's Club New York, the new fragrance by Ralph Lauren with black currant, vanilla and sandalwood. This scent embodies the sensuality and confidence of Usher. Like a city that never sleeps, this masculine Fragrance lasts for 12 hours. Ralph's Club New York. Ralph Lauren shop now@macy's.com. this episode is brought to you by Prime. Prime delivery is fast. How fast are we talking? We're talking a cooler for your snacks, a folding chair, a Bluetooth speaker and a six pack of your favorite seltzer delivered by tomorrow. Fast. Oh yeah, Extra napkins, last minute guac bowls, backup phone chargers, even a replacement remote, fast. I feel like I've ordered all of those things. We're talking everything you need for game day. Fast, fast. Free delivery. It's on Prime. Okay, couple of things. I don't even know if we're going to keep this, but I wanted to shout out, football is really weird because players retire not when they want to retire, but because when they realize two years after they should realize that a team's not going to hire them again.
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C
No one's going to, no one's calling.
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A
So there's still no good way to recognize players careers unless they're infinitely famous. But I wanted to shout out, Jimmy Graham officially retired. Oh, and the other was Tyron Matthew. Officially retired.
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C
Yeah. And he wasn't, wasn't he expected to keep playing?
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A
Yeah, he just, he just decided to call it and I, I just want to shout out Tyron Matthew because I think even if you're a little younger than Craig and I, you probably don't know, but the best defensive player I've ever seen in college football for my eight was and Dominic Sue. Like, not even close. But the coolest defensive player I've ever seen is Tyron Matthews.
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C
Honey badger.
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A
Not close. Yeah, he, he was the COVID of Sports Illustrated, like as a defender and like the, the LSU defensive team's probably the second or third best college defense I ever saw. And I just, I. It's impossible to describe how crazy it was to have Tyron Matthew, who was 591 70, just the hardest hitting, most feared player in college football. It was absolutely preposterous.
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C
Yeah, he was awesome.
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B
One of the most famous defensive players for young people in a long time. It's like pretty hard to get famous on defense, especially in college. And he was, he was very famous.
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A
And he overlapped with that Honey Badger video which now is like a quaint era of an earlier Internet. But yeah, he's just.
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C
Badger video is so good. And also the whole thing is the Honey Badger.
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A
It was back when like by Randall.
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C
Narrated by Randall.
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B
Has speaking of older players retiring, has Mercedes Lewis retired yet?
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A
No, I think he's the oldest player in the NFL.
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B
I don't believe he's on a team, but yeah, I don't think he's retired. He's 41 years old. He played. He hasn't. He didn't play last year. Oh no, he did for the Bears.
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A
Yeah. He was impressed. Yeah. He's like, yeah, we'll see. Mercedes Lewis is pretty sick. Okay. Email other random retirements if I missed any. We have some emails here if you guys want.
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C
Hold on real quick, please. Can we talk about the name of the packers CEO?
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A
I actually was wondering. I have that in and we're going so long. Yeah, the Packers. I saw new CEO is Ed Policy.
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C
This is Arrested Development name.
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A
Ed policy is the CEO of the Packers. So literally. Mr. Policy.
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C
Mr. Policy.
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A
Mr. Policy.
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C
I love that so much.
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A
Ed Policy is the CEO of the Packers.
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C
Ed Policy.
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A
He was.
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C
I don't know why that's so funny.
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Ed Policy's father, Mr. Policy, was the president of the Niners under Bill Walsh. Well above Bill Walsh, I guess technically he was Mr. Policy's son. Ed was the commissioner of the Arena Football League 2012-18 in the packet. CEO. But yeah, Mr. Mr. Manager.
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C
Mr. Policy.
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B
Ed Policy.
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A
Ed Policy running.
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C
Oh my God.
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A
Well, while we're on other dumb story. This is. This is insanely random. Maybe we cut this. Did you say they had the alter the route to the Tour de France to cold diseased cows?
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C
Oh God.
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A
It's an outbreak of nodular dermatitis. And so they had to cut 20 miles off the leg of a tour off one of the legs of the Tour de France.
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C
Sense crazy.
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B
Wait, why To. To the cows.
- [77:53]
A
Cattle disease. Yeah. And I guess the area they're just too busy culling all their cows. And so they were like, we can't Handle a bike race right now we have too many cows to call.
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C
That reminds me of when I said that George was more athletic than Secretariat. I had people tagging me in this video of a horse that, like, got onto a bike, like, into a bike race, and, like, won the stage. I don't know if it's real or not, but I was like, okay, that's sounds like super horse just ran into the road.
- [78:21]
A
Definitely sounds fake, but, yeah, really awesome.
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C
Hold on. I'm looking at it now.
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A
Now, wait, actually, what are other things like that? Like, you know how all the kids now don't believe Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points in a game? What are other videos we watched growing up that our kids are gonna be like, that's AI.
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C
You're wrong.
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A
Like, no, it was, like, 20 years before AI, and they just won't believe us.
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B
Randy Johnson killing the bird. Yeah, that's.
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C
That was crazy. Yeah. I don't know. It looks like it might be real. A horse ran onto a course in.
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A
France, beat a motorcycle in a race.
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C
It, like, saw the horse, saw the bikes going by, jumped over a gate.
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B
Were they motorcycles or bicycles?
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C
No bicycles. Oh, and then it's just fucking running. It just felt like running.
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B
How fast do horses run?
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C
I looked. I looked this up when I was talking about Secretariat. I think he ran, like, 35 miles an hour. Wow.
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A
It's not as fast as I thought.
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C
37, actually. It's still pretty fast, but.
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A
Yeah, but a person can run by 26.
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C
Okay, hold on. That's gotta be wrong.
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A
Like, Usain Bolt can run. Not fast, but, like, Usain Bolt can run. Like, 26 NFL players hit 22, 26.
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C
44 miles an hour is according to. How fast can a horse run?
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B
How fast can you go on a bike? Like, the fastest bicyclist in the world? How fast is he going to.
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A
I'm not gonna lie. If a same bolt can run 25 miles an hour, I thought on a bike you would be able to beat.
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C
Professional cyclists can sprint at speeds of 40 to 50 in flat ground and even faster on descents. I. You get going about 20 miles an hour on a bike. That feels pretty fast.
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B
You said 40 to 50.
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C
Yeah. Or even faster on descent.
- [79:55]
B
That feels really fast on flat ground. 50 miles an hour speeds can exceed.
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C
60 miles an hour, with some records reaching 100.
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A
France, though.
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C
100 miles an hour on a bike.
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A
Not talking about Hunt. Well, that.
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C
Don't want to get the death wobbles there.
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B
Jesus.
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A
Okay, Happy Gilmore, people. We. We did the Happy Gilmore Quotes episode. And I asked for people to email us in if there was any quotes we had that we missed. The super obvious ones. The best one someone sent in was some chase. And Chase is right. Chase nailed something.
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C
Seone Chase.
- [80:24]
A
The Happy Gilmore scene where shooters complaining to Doug Doug about Happy ruining the game. And he was like, that is the Packers. And Roger Goodell complaining about the tush push.
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B
Oh, so good.
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A
It's like the tush push is the fat naked.
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C
Come around a little bit myself dog.
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B
Man is running golf, football. The cutaway when shooters trying to do the. The drive like Jordan love trying to do. Push, pushing, falling.
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C
Kick him off the tour.
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A
It's like he's not breaking any rules until he does. It's a disgrace to the game.
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B
He's not breaking any rules.
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C
Saw two big fat bikers having sex off of 17. How am I supposed to chip?
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B
Which, by the way, we are reserving our thoughts on Happy Gilmore 2. I have seen it. The Danny's have not. Once they watch it, we will discuss.
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A
Yeah, we're giving people Runway to watch the movie. It's only been.
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B
Yeah, watch the movie.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Okay. So the other policy. The other policy, the other ones people threw out. Ian. Ian.
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B
Ian.
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C
Ibone.
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B
We haven't heard that yet.
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C
Ibone.
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A
I don't like that one.
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C
No, I'm not into it.
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B
That's bad.
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A
I think that's what Malik neighbors said was seven.
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B
Ian.
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C
What are some. What are nicknames that for Ian?
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A
I don't think you need a nickname. Your name is Ian.
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B
Ian. What if your name is Ian like I and Ian?
- [81:44]
C
What if this guy goes by Ian?
- [81:46]
B
Yeah, we don't know that's true. How do we feel about Ian? What is that about?
- [81:51]
A
I just kind of assumed it was like Irish or something, but I guess I don't actually know.
- [81:55]
C
Was Ian Ziering. Ian Ziering. You remember Ian Ziering? Ian Ziering. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ian Ziering's name is pronounced Ian. And it was like a. I remember this being like a thing back in the day. He had. He had to correct everybody who ever talked to him. Actually, it's iron.
- [82:11]
A
It's like a Rob McElhenny just changed. It's always Sunny guy just changed his name to Rob Mack. And he was asked why. He's like, honestly, I. You know how many people I have to spell my name out to? And I'm like, I'm just tired of it.
- [82:20]
B
Yeah, okay. But I. I have a qualm with that. Like, why not? Why do you have to officially change your name. I don't unofficially change their names all the time. I just go by Rob Mac.
- [82:31]
A
Was wondering the same thing, Craig, where I'm like, I just say go by Rob Mack. Why are you spelling. I don't know. He just changed the name of Rob Mac legally. And I'm like, let's just. I don't know. It's kind of late.
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B
It's almost like he did it for the. Like, just so he could like, say he did it. But, like, plenty. I don't know. Jonah Hill's name is Jonah Feldstein. It doesn't mean I have to, like. He doesn't have to legally change his name. Yeah. Beanie Feldstein, his sister.
- [82:50]
A
That's a great change.
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B
Yeah. His middle name is Hill, but like, you know, I don't know. Tom Cruise. He didn't legally change it to Tom Cruise, I don't think.
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C
Was it Tom Math? Matt? What is it?
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B
Mapother.
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C
Mapother.
- [83:02]
A
That's. Yeah, that was a good. That was a good shot. We should do it. We should change some NFL players names.
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B
Like, you know, a draft of famous people who changed their name that needed to the most. Like, people that wouldn't be famous if their name was the original name.
- [83:15]
A
Cruz is a good one. And then like Brian Thomas.
- [83:18]
C
What's Vin Diesel's name again? It's like Mark.
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B
Mark Sinclair.
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C
Is that right?
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B
Yeah, I get double checked, but I'm pretty sure.
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C
That'S great.
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B
Like, there's no way that Mark Sinclair is in Fast and Furious.
- [83:36]
C
No, there's just not Vin Diesel.
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A
Okay, last topic, Gilmore thing. Clinton emailed in and just basically said, how do we talk about hockey player fighting on a golf course the whole time and not mention the actual golf video. That was everywhere. Like a few weeks ago where the hockey player beat the shit out of the guy.
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C
Yeah, that was a similar throw too.
- [83:55]
A
It was very like, literally, that was a real life Happy Gilmore thing. You could convince me that whole thing was Happy Gilmore spawn con and Richard's.
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C
I know. I was like, I actually was questioning whether it was real or not.
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B
Is it bad? I. I don't know what you're talking about.
- [84:05]
A
Yes, you do. It's the fight on the golf course where the guy's like, you're not a tough guy. And the guy who actually looks a lot like TK's friend Jackson Bevins is just screaming like, oh, like. And then they get. You have to have seen this.
- [84:16]
B
Canadian man gets destroyed by former NHL player Nick Tarnaski.
- [84:20]
A
Yes.
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B
I've not.
- [84:24]
A
Watched it. You have to. This was everywhere.
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B
I have not seen this.
- [84:29]
A
Well, then I. We have the thrill of you getting to watch this for the first time live on the show.
- [84:34]
C
Are they just like. He keeps getting back up.
- [84:36]
B
So were these guys in opposite groups?
- [84:38]
A
Basically, yeah, the opposite groups. And this guy was with his friend, and they were, like, blackout drunk or on something else on the tee box. And I guess they were taking, like, 20 minutes. Like, they could barely walk. So they're. And this group's just waiting and asking to play through, and they, like, won't let them. And so eventually they're like, just get off the course, like, let us through or whatever. And the guy tries to fight him, and he. The guy he tries to fight was an NHL player.
- [84:58]
B
So the guys. So the guys holding the other people up was the NHL player. The NHL player was.
- [85:02]
A
No, the NHL player is like, can we please pass? You, like, drunk blackout morons.
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C
And he wasn't. He kind of. He was, like, trying not to. Like, he wasn't trying to.
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A
No, they were NHL player's. Not trying to get a fight. The other guy, you know, sometimes, like, large. Obviously, most people don't want to fight a really big person, but every now and then, people actually try to test big people, right? And, like, this guy saw a big person, was like, I'll fight you. And the guy was like, you don't want to fight me.
- [85:25]
C
He, like, chucked him.
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B
Yeah.
- [85:27]
A
It was like, happy go, boys. It was unbelievable. We just threw him out the club.
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B
This guy is a unit.
- [85:33]
A
You don't know how big he is either. In the beginning of the video, which is. I can't believe you haven't seen. See this?
- [85:39]
B
Oh, my God, he's screaming, enough. This is literally Bob Barker versus Happy Gilmore. Now you've had enough. Oh, wow. He is launching this man.
- [85:50]
C
Yeah, he, like, throws him, though.
- [85:54]
B
You got to give it to this guy.
- [85:55]
C
He keeps getting up. He staggers to his feet. He's got a lot of heart, this guy.
- [86:02]
B
Holy. No, I haven't seen that.
- [86:04]
A
Yeah, and then he, like, released an apology video. And I was like, man, I. I was. Yeah, I don't know, guy.
- [86:10]
C
He's like, sorry, I was super drunk.
- [86:11]
A
Yeah, you gotta.
- [86:12]
B
You know, the golf course isn't quite, like, getting into an argument with somebody, like, on the road, like, road rage, but you can. People get testy on the golf course.
- [86:21]
C
Yeah, you got golf clubs. You have a whole bag of weapons.
- [86:25]
A
It's true. But. Yeah, so I don't know how we didn't bring that up during the Hack We Gilmore episode.
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C
That's good.
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A
Last email here is Craig.
- [86:37]
B
Yeah.
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A
Have you. How are you still enjoying Poppy, your.
- [86:42]
B
Son beloved gut from time to time? Sure. Okay, cool.
- [86:45]
A
Some people emailed this in. I apologize. I forgot who sent me this. Jeff. No, Jeff. Jeff, I'm reading from Good Morning America.
- [86:53]
B
Or G Bone, jbone.
- [86:55]
A
No, Jay. Some Poppy consumer. This is Good Morning America. Some Poppy consumers may be eligible to receive cash over gut healthy soda. I saw this, and, yeah, Poppy settled the class.
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C
You got a mailer to your house.
- [87:06]
A
Yeah.
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B
Claiming that this is months old.
- [87:09]
A
Well, yeah, but it settled a week ago.
- [87:11]
B
Right.
- [87:12]
C
Like, did you get your take?
- [87:14]
B
Because they were claiming that it was like, quote unquote healthy. And it's like, you can't say that they were claiming. The whole point is that the drink is healthier than a can of regular.
- [87:23]
A
Yeah, yeah. You know, that is what they settled over.
- [87:25]
C
Because this is like vitamin C or whatever. The. The whatever is like that thing, the little thing you drop into your water or whatever, and it's like, gives you electrolytes. And that was like, claiming to, like, make you not get sick.
- [87:36]
B
Oh, like liquid IV or something.
- [87:38]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [87:41]
B
Look, I will say when Poppy sold to Pepsi for like, $2 billion, I was upset because, you know, I. I would not be surprised if, like, a year from now, all of their drinks taste even better magically. And there's a few more ingredients mixed in, and, you know, that's the way they go. So I still think they're very tasty and a lovely treat every once in a while.
- [88:04]
A
Just. Yeah, just can't, mention, quote, for a healthy gut, you're not allowed to mention that.
- [88:07]
C
Your gut biome.
- [88:08]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [88:09]
B
For, like, again, I was not drinking them because I thought they were healthy. Like, I don't think they were liquid broccoli. I thought they were.
- [88:16]
C
Let's check the tape on that.
- [88:17]
B
Much healthier than a soda. Check the tape. This is exactly what I said. They were much healthier than a soda. And they tasted exactly the same or very close to it, in my opinion.
- [88:25]
C
I thought you said something about your gut biome. But it's.
- [88:30]
B
Well, they like prebiotics.
- [88:32]
C
Right, Right. That's what it was.
- [88:34]
A
Yeah. But you know what? People. People have all their information.
- [88:39]
B
I feel like you guys have some weird high horse you're on about me trying to, like, eat healthy, and I don't really get it if it's, like.
- [88:45]
C
Come down to our level, Craig. Eat like shit.
- [88:47]
B
What are you trying to Say, like, I should just drink Diet Coke.
- [88:50]
C
You too good for us.
- [88:54]
B
Like, I don't know why you're set.
- [88:56]
A
I just want you to get paid for this class action lawsuit. I just want you to be. I just want you to get money.
- [89:00]
B
I don't know what the issue is here, but I love money.
- [89:03]
A
Why am I being attacked?
- [89:04]
C
For my beliefs.
- [89:05]
B
Like, I don't. DK just text us over the weekend. Like, I had three beers and I'm feeling great. I'm like, hey, dk, beers aren't good for you. I hope you know that.
- [89:11]
C
No, I texted you. That's not what I said. I said I texted you and I've had three beers and I can't feel it. So you were right. I was saying you were right about the whole four beers thing. I've made you feel bad.
- [89:21]
B
I met a guy. I met a guy at a bar on Saturday who said that you two were lightweights and that my four beer kind of level made sense.
- [89:30]
C
So that's what I was trying to confirm. All right. Just like to make fun of your Californian. That's all.
- [89:36]
A
Yeah, me too. It's. It's not. It has nothing to do with you.
- [89:39]
B
I live in paradise. What can I say? Nothing bad has happened in LA this year. Oh, God. Name one thing.
- [89:50]
A
Rank the toes. Yeah. Rank things. All Right. Thank you, T.K. thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you ever for listening. Thank you emails at your fantasy football gmail.com if you have any interest ranking toes or, you know, actual questions about fantasy football or actual questions about the NFL. Because it's actually trading camp now, so we'll take those two. But also, if you're any kind of foot doctor, I guess we don't want people who are just in defeat. But you can, you know.
- [90:13]
C
Sure.
- [90:13]
A
Keep your toe rankings separate, but I do want rankings of toes from doctors.
- [90:17]
B
Speaking of podiatrists, I won't explain the joke because it's literally a 10 minute joke, but the Norm MacDonald Podiatrist Sleep.
- [90:24]
C
Moth joke is one of the best jokes.
- [90:26]
B
Look at that and watch it. One of the best jokes.
- [90:29]
A
It's like four and a half minutes.
- [90:31]
B
It's like the entire late night segment with.
- [90:34]
A
Oh, my God. I actually just watched that the other day. It's so good.
- [90:37]
C
Is it with. It's with Conan, right?
- [90:38]
A
Oh, speaking of Conan.
- [90:40]
C
Conan's just like, losing his.
- [90:41]
B
I said, doc, I wake up in the agony.
- [90:47]
A
I look into my son's eyes and I see the same cowardice that resides in my own heart.
- [90:54]
B
My son, Gregaro Gregovich. Yeah.
- [91:03]
C
Oh, man.
- [91:03]
A
Thank you, Lord.
- [91:04]
B
Lord.
- [91:06]
C
Thank you, Salt and Peppa.
- [91:09]
B
Why? How come you've been listening to them?
- [91:11]
C
No, not really. Just came to mind.
- [91:14]
A
Cool.
- [91:15]
B
It's fun.
- [91:18]
C
Any thoughts?
- [91:21]
A
None.
- [91:22]
C
Like what a Man. Wait, is that. Is that salt and pepper?
- [91:26]
B
Yeah.
- [91:26]
A
What a.
- [91:27]
C
What a man. What a man. What a man. What a man.
- [91:30]
B
Shoop. Reminds me of Deadpool.
- [91:32]
C
Oh, is that in the movie?
- [91:33]
B
I think it's like in the trailer for the first or the second one or it's in the movie.
- [91:37]
C
Makes me wanna shoot Salt and Pepper. They were huge when I was, like, in high school. I think. You guys don't have the same memories of that, I don't think.
- [91:51]
A
Sorry.
- [91:53]
C
What was their heyday? I'm trying to find out now.
- [91:56]
B
They feel very 90s to me. Also. Great name.
- [92:04]
C
Salt. Peppa.
- [92:04]
B
It's a good name.
- [92:06]
C
They started 93 to 96. Very necessary. It was a huge album for them. 97 through 2004. Brand new. And hiatus. Yeah. So they were like 90s.
- [92:20]
A
This. This has. This is like, for me, the how you feel reading the news now. It's like case Mog and black boy flipped a grunt.
- [92:28]
C
Yeah.
- [92:29]
A
Like reading this Wikipedia. It's like Salt and Peppa had completed their breakaway from Azor and then were distributed by polygram Records. And I'm like, I don't know what any of those things are.
- [92:38]
C
Yeah. All I know is they were huge.
- [92:42]
B
DK was playing him in his dorm room in the 90s.
- [92:45]
C
I wasn't in college in the 90s.
- [92:47]
B
Craig, when did you graduate college?
- [92:50]
C
I graduated college in 2005.
- [92:52]
B
Okay. So very close.
- [92:55]
A
Wow.
- [92:56]
C
Kind of.
- [92:57]
B
So you went to college in 01?
- [92:59]
C
Yeah. So right when Marty graduated high school. Right before nine. Eleven.
- [93:07]
B
Interesting.
- [93:07]
C
So you can remember. Yeah, interesting.
- [93:12]
B
Great. I'll note that.
- [93:18]
C
It'S not interesting.
- [93:20]
A
Goodbye, everyone.