Way Too Early Top 12 Fantasy Rankings, Mom Sports Takes, and Why Do We Smell Rain

Summary

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Episode: Way Too Early Top 12 Fantasy Rankings, Mom Sports Takes, and Why Do We Smell Rain
Date: February 16, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This episode is a simultaneously spirited and informally irreverent breakdown of the hosts’ “way too early” top 12 fantasy football rankings for the 2026 season. Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck reveal—sight unseen—their consensus first round for upcoming fantasy drafts, dissect which players belong at the very top, grapple with looming uncertainties (new coaches, quarterback changes, health), and help listeners understand how to build advantageous rosters.

The latter part of the show is a free-wheeling mashup of listener emails, “mom sports takes,” and offbeat tangents, including a pseudo-scientific meditation on why humans love the sound and smell of rain. The trio’s camaraderie shines as they roast each other, respond to audience contributions, and riff on sports and life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Consensus Top 12 Fantasy Rankings for 2026

Blind Rankings Reveal

• The hosts each created post–Super Bowl, "no research" top-12 lists.
• They aggregate the three and walk listeners through picks and the reasoning.

Top Tiers & Fluidity at #1 (01:51–04:54)

• Jahmyr Gibbs (Lions) and Bijan Robinson (Falcons) are neck-and-neck for #1 overall.
  • Heifetz and Craig: Gibbs #1
  • Kelly: Bijan #1
  • Both RBs are young, versatile, and explosive, but there’s “no wrong answer.”
• Uncertainty around Michael Penix Jr. (Lions’ new QB) nudges some toward Bijan.
  • Heifetz: "My tiebreaker in my head was that quarterback. Michael Penix is coming off a knee reconstruction..." [03:03]
• This year’s first round feels “wide open”—up to 6–7 guys could be justified at #1, including Puka Nacua, Jamar Chase, and Christian McCaffrey.

Position Analysis & Talent Tiers (04:54–14:41)

• A year for RBs in the 1.01 spot, but WRs like Puka Nacua (Rams), Jamar Chase (Bengals), and Jackson Smith-Njigba (JSN, Seahawks) are close behind.
• Heifetz: “Honestly, the only receiver I considered putting first overall was Puka Nakua…” [08:00]
• The risk calculus with receivers: durability and supporting cast (e.g., Stafford’s health with Puka).
• Puka is currently the all-time NFL leader in yards per game (95).
  • "[Puka] right now has the most receiving yards per game ever for his career. He's at 95." – Heifetz [09:25]
• WRs in contention: Puka, Jamar Chase, JSN; all viewed as "S-tier".

RB Depth, Age, and Boom/Bust Legacy (14:41–25:26)

• JSN regarded for his monster OPOY season and immense volume; regression risk discussed.
• Christian McCaffrey (49ers) is the classic high-risk/high-reward play; age (30) is the only real knock.
  • Kelly: “If McCaffrey was 25, he’d be the number one overall pick. Right? There's nothing wrong with the situation." [15:10]
• McCaffrey's workloads, durability, and previous injuries compared to historical trends and modern medical advances.
  • "[McCaffrey] had 413 touches last year … the old scary number you were supposed to be scared of was 370…" – Heifetz [17:44]
  • Discussion of “the elephant in the room” (the 49ers’ training facility’s proximity to an electrical substation) as a tongue-in-cheek injury factor.
• The group tends to prefer floor/ceiling RBs early, given WR depth in subsequent rounds.

Picks 7–12: Risk, Uncertainty, and Contrarian Calls (26:00–39:26)

• Jonathan Taylor vs. James Cook: Taylor’s ceiling vs. Cook’s safe volume.
  • Injury uncertainty (Taylor's QB, Daniel Jones’ Achilles).
  • Cook offers high floor due to system/coach continuity.
• Amon-Ra St. Brown (Lions): “Consistently great yet always overlooked.” [29:29]
• Devon Achane (Dolphins): huge upside but clouded by coaching changes and unknown QB.
  • “I think he is the single hardest player to rank because he was the perfect fit for the Mike McDaniel offense.” – Kelly [33:21]
• CeeDee Lamb (Cowboys): Lower than expected (WR11)—concern about sharing targets, lack of repeated elite seasons, and overall volatility.
  • “He's really only had one great year ... Other than that … WR15, WR11 …” – Craig [35:23]
• Derrick Henry (Ravens): Still a first-rounder (12th overall) despite age, "rock solid pick," likely overlooked due to perennial age concerns.
  • “Every time people say Derrick Henry is his age, I don't care. Like, la la. Like, it's the, you know, the fugitive. When Harrison Ford's like, I didn't kill my wife. Tommy Lee Jones was like, I don't care. That's me.” – Heifetz [39:32]

Fringe First-Round and Honorable Mentions (41:32–53:41)

• Justin Jefferson’s rank is in flux pending QB situation: "If [it's] Kirk Cousins, he's a top 5 pick."
• TE analysis: Trey McBride (Cardinals) favored over Brock Bowers (Raiders) by default, but hosts posit Bowers could outproduce even in his rookie year.
  • “I kind of just want Brock Bowers next year … Brock Bowers could outdo all of those guys, Dre, like all of those guys.” – Heifetz [44:20]
• Ashton Jeanty (Raiders): Divided panel, concerned about rookie QB and line, but upside is tantalizing.
• General sentiment: deep WR class allows more RBs/TEs to go early.

Draft Slot Strategies (56:35–57:26)

• Hosts agree: This is an excellent year to pick in the middle (4th-6th slot) for balanced access to elite tiers.

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2. Segment: Why Do We Like Sleeping in the Rain? (58:30–62:19)

• Craig muses on why real rain is so comforting for sleep.
• DK and Heifetz suggest it’s primal; evolutionary comfort in finding shelter during inclement weather.
• DK breaks out the science:
  • “Humans can smell rain, a phenomenon called petrichor… we have a remarkably high sensitivity to the smell of geosmin, which is arguably more sensitive than a shark’s ability to smell blood.” [60:10–61:25]
• Segment closes with the trio reflecting on human affinity for water and why being near bodies of water is universally calming.

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3. Listener Emails – “Mom Sports Takes” (64:19–79:31)

Notable Listener Submissions

• Phil’s Mom: Hates the “peanut punch” and ball-ripping; regards it as “not fair that a bunch of guys can just take the ball from one guy. That’s not fair.” [66:48]
• Victor’s Mom (from Kenya): Cannot stand close games—will only watch if her team is winning big. Waits for final scores before deciding to watch highlights. [68:36]
• Chip’s Mom: Dislikes derogatory sports chants; believes fans should only cheer positively for their own teams. [74:02–74:41]

Hosts’ Reactions

• The group reflects on these “mom takes” with affection and amusement, noting how mothers’ instincts trend toward fairness, sportsmanship, and comfort—even in high-stress fandom.
  • “Moms just don't like turnovers, ball security…” – Craig [66:55]

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4. Listener Fun: Names, Tangents, and More

• The trio riff on old-fashioned names coming back (“Harold,” “Gertrude,” “Agnes,” etc.), the oddity of hearing young people with “old names,” and ponder the generational cyclicality of naming trends.
• They joke about lottery strategies, the right way to split winnings, and share a story about an Uber driver whose brother won (and lost) the lottery. [85:32–86:32]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the depth at #1:
  "I literally think Gibbs, Bijan, Puka, Jamar Chase, Njigba and McCaffrey ... maybe Jonathan Taylor ... there are six or seven guys who all could be number one. This is not a good year to have the number one overall pick." — Craig, [03:55]
• On Christian McCaffrey:
  "If McCaffrey was 25, he’d be the number one overall pick. Right? There's nothing wrong with the situation." — Danny Kelly, [15:10]
• On Puka’s rise & off-field stardom:
  "He seemed very drunk at the Super Bowl... he just seems very famous right now in Los Angeles." — Heifetz [10:02]
• On the comfort of rain:
  “Humans can smell the scent of rain, a phenomenon called petrichor…the smell of rain, the smell of water hitting the earth is like—we’re very attuned to that…” — Danny Kelly [60:27–61:25]
• On mom takes:
  "My mom says, 'It's not fair that a bunch of guys can just take the ball from one guy. That's not fair.'" — Phil’s mom (via Heifetz) [66:48]
• On McCaffrey and historical workload scares:
  "The old scary number you were supposed to be scared of was 370. [McCaffrey] had 413..." – Heifetz [17:44]
• On the peanut punch:
  "[Moms] just want a good life for good young men and all children." — Danny Kelly [75:00]
• On the 'perfect' draft slot in 2026:
  "Fourth feels like the easiest thing ever. ...you just let either Jameer Gibbs or Bijan Robinson or Jamar Chase or Puka fall to you..." — Heifetz [56:44]

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Segment Timestamps

• Way Too Early Rankings & Top Tier Debates: 01:51–26:00
• RB/WR Philosophy, Regression, McCaffrey Discourse: 14:41–25:26
• RB2/RB3, TE, Deep Picks, Draft Slot Strategies: 26:00–57:26
• Rain, Primal Comfort, and Water Theory: 58:30–62:19
• Listener Emails (Mom Takes): 64:19–79:31
• Tangents: Old Names, Lottery Tales: 79:31–86:42

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Episode Tone & Style

Witty, conversational, irreverent, analytical but informal. The hosts joke, debate, and often drop pop culture references or personal stories. The show balances insightful analysis with offbeat fun and community engagement.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a deep primer for early fantasy football strategists—emphasizing flexibility in the top few picks, warning listeners about common traps (overreacting to age, sudden coordinator changes), and reminding everyone to have fun. Listener submissions, tangents, and free-associative digressions—whether about the appeal of the rain or the quirks of old-fashioned names—endear the hosts beyond their fantasy expertise.

Ideal For:
Anyone preparing for early fantasy drafts or craving a smart, funny, and passionate football dialogue.

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For listener interaction:

• Email your "Mom Sports Takes" and favorite sports chants to the show.
• Share your theories on smells, names, or fantasy draft dilemmas!

Transcript

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[Danny Heifetz]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heifen. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Korlbeck and we are going over our way to early rankings for 2026. Totally blind. We didn't look at anything. We just post super bowl just sat down and just were like who would we take in the first round. We haven't seen each other's rankings. Well I've seen yours. You guys haven't seen each other's I don't think and yeah we're all just gonna show same time right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We're gonna we're gonna flash each other with our rankings.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah actually though so I looked at yours. I averaged them but we're gonna just go through I'm gonna tell you who we think blind would we would take in the first round in this best I love it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm ready for the season. I'm ready for draft season. I'm ready there mentally.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Honestly, it is. There is nothing more fun in the entire fantasy football season than creating rankings.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. So it is the best. It's fan fiction. So full disclosure, we recorded this Wednesday, February 11th. We're releasing this later. So if there's a ton of NFL news that's happened between now and then, we'll talk about it next week because we still have episodes coming out and then the week after the week you're listening to this. We'll be at the NFL combine. So stick with us. Draft season getting going. We're giving you a combine preview and just a bunch of draft stuff in the combine soon trades.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We are actively ignoring the fact that the Dolphins hired Kevin Patullo to be their pass game coordinator.

[Danny Kelly]

We're not going to talk about that's a choice.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's. What is there to say intentional. So, yeah, let's just get into the rankings and who we would take in the first round next year, I think pretty representative. We have number one, we have Jameer Gabes for the Lions, and number two, we have Bijan Robinson. Craig and I have Gibbs first. DK is Bijan first. I don't think there's a wrong answer. And I could be convinced either way to be 100% honest. My tiebreaker in my head was that quarterback. Yeah. Michael Penix is coming off a knee reconstruction and it's barely played in the NFL. And that just feels riskier.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That was going to go because I think this is the first year in a while where, like, you could probably give me six guys that that could be the number one pick. And I'd be like, yeah, like, usually it's like one or two guys, maybe three. I literally think Gibbs, Bijan, Puka, Jamar Chase and Jigba and McCaffrey. Fuck. You could throw in Jonathan Taylor and I'd be like, yeah, maybe like there are six or six or seven guys who all could be number one. This is like a very weird. This is not a good year to have the number one overall pick.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think. I think you're right. Like, in terms of. Would I judge you if you took this person first? Jameer Gibbs? No way. B. John Robinson? No way. Puka Nukua? No way. Jamar Chase? No way. But to your point, even someone wanted to take Christian McCaffrey the first pick. I'm not going to be like, oh, like, I agree. I think having the fourth or fifth pick and just knowing you're going to get one of those people is by Far the move. I mean, the fact that you could get fourth pick and you're going to get Jamar Chase, Bijan Gibbs or Puka is fucking crazy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. Dk, you had Bijan one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And. And it is kind of.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Did you have Gibbs too?

[Danny Kelly]

I did, yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like between those two. And obviously I love Gibbs. I think he's awesome and he's so explosive. But you know, he is still kind of sharing the backfield. That is kind of a consideration. Bijan does as well. But Bijan, it. It was. I think if it really came down to it, the tiebreaker for me was just that he's bigger and stronger and just sort of looks more like a. A foundation back than Jamir Gibbs. Even though Jir Gibbs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Wimpy, Wimpy, Wimpy.

[Danny Kelly]

Bijan had almost 2300 scrimmage yards last year, which was. It's actually among the top 10, I think all time in a season. He had more scrimmage yards than Christian McCaffrey. He's just. He. He's awesome. He does it in the. In the receiving game as well. He had 820 receiving yards, which I think kind of flies under the radar. He had almost a thousand yards receiving and he's obviously very, very good on the ground. So I don't know. I just kind of bijard.

[Danny Heifetz]

But it flew under the radar because the Falcons were eliminated from the playoffs in the first week of December. It's just. That is why.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It is weird that I'm trying to think. It's not often that the number one overall pick is on a bad team. It is kind of weird that the Falcons are like a very middle of the road football team right now. And I don't think anybody has projections for them to like suddenly win 12 or 13 games next year.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I could see them winning the division very easily. Like Kevin, I think the difference also, I think the Falcons coaching staff is a big advantage. Kevin Stefanski is the head coach. They have Tommy Reese as the offensive coordinator. They were on the offensive line. Coach Bill Callahan. If you just look at what Stefanski's did for running backs, like any. Everywhere he's been, people have had like a lot of career years. Again, it just comes back to like, he can't help Michael Penck with his knee. And I think it's like a McCaffrey thing where Michael Penix might be great, but if Michael Penix has a knee injury, you'll feel stupid.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And that's it. But even then again, maybe the Backup doesn't matter because to DK's point, the rest of the word profile kind of annoys me sometimes. But Bijan, it's. He catches passes. He's the goal line guy probably. I think with Tyler lg, I think the new coaching staff, I think Bijan will get the ball everywhere and he's going to be the superstar and he can have huge explosive plays. And so Bijan, in any other situation where the quarter, the quarterback is the only thing I guess holding him back for me for being the first pick.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Quietly Alier is a free agent this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And which could be good or could be bad, I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

And again, the new. The people who drafted him aren't there anymore.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think the question, the thing that I considered like or the.

[Danny Heifetz]

The.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The. What I felt was the most difficult part of this process was I just couldn't decide if I originally I put a bunch of receivers first. Originally I had like the Puka, Jamar Chase and Jigba as like 1, 2, 3. And because I feel like I slightly more confident in them and, and yet I ended up being like McCaffrey was the most important person in fantasy last year. Jonathan Taylor for 10 weeks was the most important person in fantasy. The year before that it was Saquon Barkley. It is always a running back. And ultimately, if you have the running back who pops, it's still the best thing you could have in fantasy. Which is why I ultimately then put two running backs back at the top.

[Danny Heifetz]

I agree with all that I did. The only receiver I considered putting first overall was Puka Nakua and I put him second. I was surprised. I literally had Puka first and I moved him down to the second overall player. And then Craig, I saw you have Puk as your third receiver. You have him as your guy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I have, I have Jamar Chase and Jigba ahead of him. It's all risk assessment to me. I'm like, I, I don't trust Matt Stafford's health and I don't trust Puka Nuku, his health. And that's all it is. Like, I am much more confident that Jamar Chase will stay healthy that Jackson Smith and Jigba with Darnold, I guess Burrow is also a dice roll. But it is an even year and we know that with the Bengals, the even years, they're good. The odd years, they're bad. So this is a good year coming in for the Bengals. But yeah, I was just like, Stafford's 38, Puka's constantly getting the kicked out of them. I'm splitting hairs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I mean that. I think that is the point is the top. There's. There just feels. Some years it feels a little light and then this year feels like really heavy talent wise in the first round. Like, I mean Puka. The case is obvious where like it's the. He's the new guy and it's like Matt Stafford again, Calvin Johnson, Cooper Cup Triple Crown. Like Pukinakua. Like he gets the ball every game Puka had. I think Puka could easily win the triple crown this year if he stays healthy. To your point, the parlay on Stafford and Puka together staying healthy. But Puka led the league in catches. He led the NFL in first downs. He led the NFL in yards per game. And a weird quirk is this always happens with someone in their prime. Puka right now has the most receiving yards per game ever for his career. He's at 95.

[Danny Kelly]

Really.

[Danny Heifetz]

Because what happens is guys, when they get lower down in their career, they start to go down. So like it actually becomes like who's in their prime. Like, you know, Julio Jones had this for a while and then you keep playing and yards per game drops. But right now Puk is the all time NFL leader for yards per game. And the difference to me is just Jackson, Smith and Jim Guy has a new offensive coordinator. Like isn't that enough of a tiebreaker to put JSN below Puka was the way I looked at it. But I mean honestly, I think the other interesting thing with Puk is I don't know if that makes him better or worse. He feels like a real receiver now off the field. Like he's getting in trouble. Streamers, he's drunk tweeting during the Super Bowl.

[Danny Kelly]

He's had quite a run the last month.

[Danny Heifetz]

He seemed very drunk at the Super. There's a video of him staggering around like the San Francisco and he posted like lol Darnold during the Super Bowl. Clearly was blackout drunk. He's like, he just seems like very famous right now in Los Angeles. Like very rich, very famous.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Gotta be careful.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know if that makes him better or worse, but I do think the range of it like he's like a receiver now. This is like.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well and it's like because he was not a high draft pick, this is like when somebody gets famous overnight and things go crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the Bill Murray quote about when someone gets really famous, you have to give them a year of grace because their whole life has changed. Like the beginning I was like, oh, he's a rookie.

[Danny Kelly]

Ha ha.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's Jack in the box on the way home and on the way to work and he doesn't know Los Angeles. And now it's like, oh, he's very, very, very rich.

[Danny Kelly]

What's a good, what's a good Hollywood version of this?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Somebody who got famous super quick and.

[Danny Kelly]

Flamed out and then kind of like went off. It was like, what's his name? The guy From Transformers, Shia LaBeouf. Kind of went off the deep end a little bit.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I mean, there's a lot of guys who got famous and like, started to struggle quickly. I mean, look at, I mean, a lot of. I don't want to talk. A lot of them get dark. Yeah, I was gonna say sure. But yes, it happens a lot.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is it weird that that was kind of my only thing with Puka? I mean, we are Stafford health. But that's the thing. The only thing gets away is Stafford getting hurt, Puka getting hurt. But there is no football case that, that Puka won't be a top guy every single week.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No. If he's on the field, he's probably the wide receiver one. It's hammered every week.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have Gibbs first and Bijan second. And honestly, it's 1A, 1B. I will change my mind on that a ton of times, but I do think we'll start and end with, well, Pennix. Who knows what's up with this?

[Danny Kelly]

Do you, Quick, do you think Gibbs is still ascending or do you think we've seen the apex?

[Craig Korlbeck]

You know how old he is?

[Danny Kelly]

How old is he?

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's 23 years old.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

How the is that so wild?

[Craig Korlbeck]

He turns 24 in a month, but still, I, I, I. He's some.

[Danny Kelly]

So he's still ascending for sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's just the Lions offense thing. It's like. It's just the Lions have a new offensive coordinator, Drew Petzing from Arizona. It's just more about the surrounding. Can you keep having three touchdowns every other week for your Gibbs? You know what I mean? So we have Puka as our third overall player, top receiver, and then the second receiver, top four players, Jamar Chase, we have fourth. We're. I mean, frankly, players who are this talented and this young in situations this good just aren't usually available for us. Like Jamar Chase won a triple crown two years ago. And the Bengals once again are probably going to have an elite offense and a terrible defense. And the fact that you could just sit at fourth and get Jamar Chase is pretty hard to believe.

[Danny Kelly]

Does Jamar Chase have the quietest 1400 yard, eight touchdown receiving? You can receiving season that you can remember? Because I, it felt to me like he didn't do all that much. It was weird because he was obviously scoring a lot of points and, and he was fine in fantasy, but it just, it didn't feel like he had that big of a season. I look at his stats. He had 125 catches and 1400 yards.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He was the number 12 non quarterback last year in fantasy football and you had no idea. Yeah, nobody had one Jamar Chase conversation. It's just, it was. Well, it was just all because Burrow was hurt and it was a mess.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think we had a few Jamar Chase conversations. There was the game where he had four, four targets and three tackles.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, in the game when he caught like 29 passes against the Steelers.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And uncovered on the 23rd target of.

[Danny Kelly]

The game he had 16 catches for 161 yards.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm, I'm happy because this is the year I will have Jamar Chase. I said it last year and when he was the number one overall pick and I didn't get him in any leagues and I'm going to do it this year because there is a very slight discount on him and I'm ready to pounce all over it because the Puka hype is high and everything went right last year.

[Danny Kelly]

JSN hype is high.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yes. Everything went right that year too. Everything went wrong for Jamar Chase and talent wise, I still think I'd probably pick him number one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, this is another one. How old do you think Jamar Chase is, Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

18.

[Craig Korlbeck]

25.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's 25.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. He's still. What is the, what is the apex year for a receiver, do you think? Probably five. 26 right there.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Probably right there.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

25.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, 26.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig, you said it. I think you just said it. Do you still think he's the best receiver in the NFL? Yeah, I do too.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think there's an S tier and it within that it doesn't matter. But Jamar Chase is. There's no one that's like definitely, definitively, definitely better than him. I think that, yeah, he's, he's unbelievable.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Do you feel like that's the, like Puka Jamar Chase and in Jigba that is the tier.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's what I wanted to ask you guys. Is it a top four of like there's, there's well overall people you can take first and I wouldn't Be surprised. Pukinuku with Jamar Chase, Jamir Gates, Bijan Robinson. Is it a four person tier or is it five? Like is McCaffrey in here for you guys? Is JSN in here for you guys?

[Danny Kelly]

I think that if you would, if you wanted to parse it, Jameer, Bijan, Puka, Jamar and Jackson, Smith and Jigba are all very young. And then you have another tier where Christian McCaffrey is 30 years old.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. It's funny because it's. It. It depends what you want because the next two players we have are JSN is five and Christian McCaffrey six. And it's funny to have to see them side by side. Jason just had the eighth most receiving yards ever offensive player of the year, led the NFL in yards per touch at 14 and a half. And then Christian McCaffrey was the number one running back in fantasy and somehow we have him two spots higher than last year. Even though that happened. If Christian McCaffrey was 25, he'd be the number one overall pick. Right? There's nothing wrong with the situation. It is literally only that Christian McCaffrey's 30 and not 25. There's nothing wrong with him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And that like much like the Bengals every other year, McCaffrey kind of crashes.

[Danny Heifetz]

And burns on that. On that note, I think I figured out Christian McCaffrey's fantasy legacy. He is the. On a season by season basis, I think Christian McCaffrey is by far the most boom or bust player in the history of fantasy football. Like if you just look at his seasons, Christian McCaffrey almost single handedly brought you to the semifinals or maybe the championship four or five times. Like if you had Christian McCaffrey in 2018-2019-2022-2023 or last year, McCaffrey probably single handedly got you into the final four teams. But if you had Christian McCaffrey In 20, 20, 2021 or 2024, he probably single handedly ruined your season, which is.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Honestly not a bad hit rate. If you basically flip a coin in every other year, you're like a top two seed because of McCaffrey.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, five out of eight years he's got you the final four and the other three he's just destroyed you. And so it's funny because it's that versus JSN where you're like JSN has been that every bit like maybe a top player you'd pick once, but now he's losing the coordinator in Seattle that did that with him. They have to hire a new coordinator and all the players around him. If they resigned Rashid Shahid, we'll have a whole offseason instead of coming in at week nine. Torrey Hortons, a rookie who got hurt. Cooper cup is like they're going to put him out to basture. Like all the people around JSN are like, you know, younger and theoretically going to get better. And JSN had more than one out of every three targets was for him. And so if a new coordinator comes in and decides, I think merely 1 out of every 4 targets should be good to JSN, he's not worth taking first. So part of me is like, is it's just the common sense of don't I want someone who's done this more than once, which everyone above him has done way more than once. And that's to me, the push pull of McCaffrey is. I'm scared of how many times McCaffrey's done it, but he's done it five times.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We talked a lot about Saquon's workload coming out of 2024 and how we thought there's a potential that he breaks down or that that stuff usually doesn't happen twice Back to back. McCaffrey last year had 70ish more touches than that fantastic 2023 season. 70 more touches. He had 413 feeding him.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Does that. Does that raise any red flags for you two at all? Are you like it?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

How could it. I mean, the whole. The old scary number you were supposed to be scared of was 370. He had 413. How could you.

[Danny Kelly]

And we're not. We haven't even mentioned the big, huge, massive, giant radiating elephant in the room here.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He also played two playoff.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. The elephant in the room here is the giant substation, electrical substation right next to the. To the 49ers practice facility here, which we, you know, look, it doesn't. It.

[Danny Heifetz]

It.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he said it. He said it's not nothing. It's not nothing. I don't know what.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know what the science is.

[Danny Kelly]

But it's not nothing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He was questioning everything. Bluetooth, wi, fi. WI fi, microwave, whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So there's that which we have to take into account as well.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's weird. Like McCaffrey is kind of. I can't tell if he's the opposite of Derrick Henry, but it's like, is he a doubt him at your own peril type of guy or is this. I can't believe I got one last season of McCaffrey in, and now I'm happy to never draft him again.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think the answer, I think the answer is probably what you said, because here's the thing. I do think that the.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I probably won't draft him, which is stupid.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I agree. I, but also, I'll take him, and that also might be stupid. And I think that the truth is these crazy workloads with these guys who are older happening in, in, in. In bursts or spurts. And if you look at McCaffrey, there's been two or three year periods where his body's broken down. Sorry, two or three periods where he was unbelievable. And then his body breaks down for a year or two. And I mean, that's not exactly, like, revolutionary, but if you look, there's a pretty clear trend. And I think he got the entire year off in 2023, and everyone focused on the bilateral Achilles tendonitis because it was spreading like the rot. But in reality, he actually got a year off. And I think the question is, like, if McCaffrey had another 400 touches this year and was incredible again, I would actually take my chips off the table for 2027, because I don't want to bet on him doing three straight years. But we do see guys doing it two years in a row sometimes. Like Derek Henry, like, these guys, like hall of Famers, like, he's a Hall of Famer. And the number, like, if he was 29, doesn't that even change your mind a little bit that he's 30? Like, part of it. He's 30. If he's 29 would be a little.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Caffrey McCaffrey's gonna be the biggest fantasy conundrum this season.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Because he was last season.

[Danny Kelly]

Again. Yeah, again, he, because he is not Derrick Henry. I mean, Derek Henry. Half of the reason that Derrick Henry is who Derrick Henry is, is he's larger than life. He's actually like 1.5 times bigger than everyone on the field. And Christian McCaffrey's, you know, a little guy. And so I, I, It's Craig. You said, is it? Doubt him at your own peril. To me, that really feels more like Henry. Doubt Henry at your own peril. With McCaffrey, I think the doubt is very logical. That being said, I'm, I'm more than willing to roll the dice on him because of the amount of touches that he gets. Like, just, he is a volume hog, and that's probably not going to change unless he gets hurt.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's interesting because the conversation around Saquon last Year, Right. With all of his touches in the regular season, he had less touches than Christian McCaffrey did last year. Saquon in 2024 had less touches.

[Danny Heifetz]

He had 100 more. But he had a. He had 500 plus, didn't he? Or he had almost 500.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, that's because it through the playoffs, right? Yes, but. But McCaffrey had over 400 in the regular season. Saquon, I don't believe did. I think he had like 370, whatever. But my point is, is that we were all out on Saquon this year. And while we were right from a results standpoint, Saquon did not get hurt. Like, and I feel like the breakdown of him was. Was a fear, but it was really an Eagles issue. It was like the offensive line was a mess. Yeah, Petullo's play calling, the offense was just discombobulated. But Saquon wasn't necessarily like, worse. He would still probably have been great had that, had the situation been better. So, yeah, I would say that makes me a little bit more willing to take a chance on McCaffrey.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think it. Yeah, it's this simple. It's like the rule of 370. If you have 370 carries your touches in a year, that rule is 20 years old. Like, these guys have bio. Like, we've the biometric training. These guys are doing the tracking, like the player data again. We talk about it all the time. Even us talking about Alvin Kamara weighing his legs and then measuring his heart and telling him like, he needs a different kind of cardio fitness so that when he comes back after a long run to the huddle, he's not gassed. Even that conversation is three years old now. Like, it is crazy how much access these guys have. And I think it's as simple as you probably can do this again. All that complicated stuff leads to. You can probably do this two years in a row, but maybe not three. And I think that I love how.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Fucking speculative this is. We're just like, it's speculative.

[Danny Heifetz]

But it's funny you watch this because.

[Danny Kelly]

We literally just fantasy football pretty speculative.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Us being like, I feel like he could do again.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, that's the thing though, because you. Look, I know it's so stupid to talk about, but it comes down to this every week. He's healthy. McCaffrey is a number one running back and the number one running back because even when he can't run for four yards of carry like last season, the receiving work is crazy. Like, he's A thousand yard receiver and a running back and the goal line back. But I, so I look at that as like, isn't it the obvious thing like oh, just fucking reach and take Brian Robinson and he won't be the same if McCaffrey gets hurt because he won't be the same receiver. But part of me is like the Niners will probably be a better rushing team next year because they won't be as injured. And it's like, you know what, take McCaffrey, eat your medicine and just draft Brian Robinson you so you can sleep at night.

[Danny Kelly]

And I don't know, the one thing I will say that's very different between saquon and Christian McCaffrey and I don't know if this matters. It probably matters a little bit because when you're catching a football, a lot of times you're running out of bounds or whatever, you don't. I think there's less. Would you agree that there is less wear and tear on receptions than on carries?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think that's true. It's a lot of angle routes for McCaffrey where he's splitting linebackers and going down. I think that's right.

[Danny Kelly]

And so like last year, McCaffrey had 102 catches. That's a huge part of his volume. He had 311 carries, which is a lot. That's not nothing. But I mean take. Compare that to Saquon Barkley last year. Well, let's look at his 24, 2024 season. He had 345 carries and then he only had 33 catches, 70 less catches.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can I give you my dumbest Derek Henry? No, no, hold on, wait, I got it. Craig, to your question, I have. Here's, here's the analysis. Let's make it even dumber.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

We've always said before this up pre substation our joke but we were kind of serious about why like in the 80s getting hurt was that Shanahan was too good of a schemer and he was drawing up plays that were getting his guys up to full speed. Like there was, you know, there were always the stats that the Niners kickoffs. Yeah, the running backs were crossing scrimmage at the fastest miles per hour with the tracking because Shanahan was scheming plays that they were zooming. So this collisions were happening really hard. Like they were just. And that's why I was hurt. But the Niners sucked last year at running the ball. So if you think about it, all the collisions were really slow. So if you think about it, McCaffrey really didn't get hurt.

[Danny Kelly]

McCaffrey looked slower.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's getting stuffed two yards into the run, and it's like, big deal.

[Danny Heifetz]

Doesn't hurt at all.

[Danny Kelly]

Doesn't hurt nearly as much.

[Danny Heifetz]

No gains, no pain.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We should ask running backs that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like we said, the combine, no games.

[Danny Kelly]

More. More fender benders. Less or fewer full on Tebow in the intersection.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I'm. Is it bad that that's the dumbest thing I've ever said? And I also kind of think I'm right.

[Danny Kelly]

It feels a lot like cope, but that's fine. Yeah, I do think I. I would say generally, it feels like receptions are less wear and tear than carries, and that is a huge, huge part of McCaffrey's game.

[Danny Heifetz]

And we can say whatever you want. Fifth pick on the board. Are you taking Christian McCaffrey or JSN?

[Danny Kelly]

Probably Christian McCaffrey. Honestly. I know. I know what JSN just did, but I. I do feel like it's. He's. He's kind of one of the main guys who's due for aggression next year. He had a 35 target rate last year, which is by far the most in the NFL.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, I have a tattoo that says ignore regression under my eye, so I. I probably won't be listening to that.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But I need to want. You know what? I need to read the reports in August before I make that decision.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, Craig, we don't have them right now, so just give me an answer.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let's say he's practicing like it's February.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'll say McCaffrey.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

There you go. There you go. Okay, so then there's no consequences. The top six is Gibbs and Bijan, Puka, Jamar Chase, JSN McCaffrey seventh. We have Jonathan Taylor and James Cook.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Right next to each other.

[Danny Heifetz]

James Cook eighth. I do the Jonathan Taylor. We talked about this. Well, the last episode came out. We just recorded it. We're doing this back to back. Wednesday, February 11th, the rules spoiler. But again, the first half of the season, Jonathan Taylor was the single most important player in fantasy football and literally had a hundred more points than Bijan Robinson through 10 weeks and 20 touchdowns. This year, the second half of the season, Jonathan Taylor was behind Zach Charbonnet and Tony Pollard.

[Danny Kelly]

Ah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so brutal. It was just like Daniel Jones got hurt, and it wasn't the same. And then Daniel Jones got really hurt with the Achilles, and then it was Joe, and then it was like, you know, Philip Rivers came out. And so evaluating. This almost feels like evaluating Daniel Jones's Achilles recovery, to which I don't. I gotta be honest, I don't really know how to rank Jonathan Taylor because. Do you. I don't even know how to evaluate this.

[Danny Kelly]

No one does.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Very clear. When Daniel Jones was healthy. I mean, it's a direct correlation between. They started to slow down around week 11, and that's right when Daniel Jones hurt his leg, and then two weeks later he tore his Achilles and then the offense was a disaster. But yeah, the question is, like, if Daniel Jones is on the field week one, is that enough for you to feel confident in drafting Jonathan Taylor, or is the recovery from the Achilles and how limited he'll be physically enough to deter you from.

[Danny Kelly]

From Jonathan Taylor if he's on the field? I'll draft Jonathan Taylor.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think I will get where. But of course you'll take him. The question over James Cook is the perfect. I think it's smart to have him back to back. Not smart, but, like, representative. They're both like James Cook. How many. He just led the NFL rushing yards and the coordinator is the head coach. Now, would you take Jonathan Taylor over James Cook?

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's ceiling versus floor. I think James Cook is a fantastic floor. And I think Jonathan Taylor, as we saw when he had 17 touchdowns in 10 fucking games, what the ceiling is.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think I would take Jonathan Taylor just by an edge, like, just barely.

[Craig Korlbeck]

How big do you think the talent disparity is? Like, I personally think Jonathan Taylor is like as good of a running back at running the football in the NFL. And James Cook, I think, is very, very, very good, but not at that level.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it's interesting that they play the same position because they're very different stylistically. You know, James Cook is small. He's a slasher. The offense creates space for him. He's, I think, a patient runner. And then Jonathan Taylor is just a powerhouse. He's just explosive and big plays and things like that. So. But yeah, I would say without question, Jonathan Taylor is a better pure runner there. Surprisingly, they. They. Jonathan Taylor had more catches than James Cook did this last year. Jonathan Taylor had 46 receptions. James Cook had 33. You don't really think of Josh Taylor as a pass catcher, but he had. He had way more than. Than James Cook did.

[Danny Heifetz]

James Cook was on another. On another team, he'd have a ton. But it's Josh. Check downs are scrambles. So, you know, he ends up also, I think, a lot of Jonathan. Well, no, I guess they weren't all Philip Rivers checkdowns, but yeah, I Don't know. The Jonathan Taylor thing. Just trying to figure out Daniel Jones's Achilles recovery will be huge. And also I don't know how to do it right. So we'll have to figure that out.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think middle of the first round.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is correct for Jonathan Taylor somewhere there. Yeah. The next. So then we have a Monroe St. Brown for the Lions, who somehow is once again the most boring player in this round where it's just casual, consistent greatness. No one gives a shit because he was like a middle round pick and like all of us had him either 8th, 9th or 10th. And then boring, reliable always. Even though he's not even boring. Like you listen to him talk, he's really like, he's funny, he's interesting, he's intense. But as a player, something about him. He's just here and this is exactly where he should be and he'll probably deliver.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This is.

[Danny Kelly]

Go ahead, Craig.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's only boring in my opinion because he's surrounded by Jameer Gibbs and Jameson Williams and if he were on a different team or those guys weren't on the team, I don't even think his playstyle is that boring. I mean he's kind of a smart, savvy receiver and will like avoid taking a hit. But I think he's super fun to watch. He's only 26 years old still. I just think it's, it's just because Jameer Gibbs and Jameson Williams are, you know, race cars.

[Danny Heifetz]

And when you have a Monroe on your team, you feel like. It's just.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You're like, you feel great, you feel impenetrable. You're like, I'll just get 20 points again this week.

[Danny Kelly]

It's so interesting because he had the same issue that Jamar Chase did this year where he had the quietest 1400 yard 11 every year, every. It felt for whatever reason. And maybe you guys didn't think this, but I did. It felt like he had a down year, but that absolutely was fucking awesome. He was number four receiver.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Just fucking keep putting your money into Monroe St. Brown. It'll be fine.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Heifetz]

Next one here this is I thought these next few guys were hard to rank. Devon Achan for the Dolphins. We had 10th top five running back last year. Even under bad circumstances. Achan is again the B John Robinson profile. Like he can catch 100 passes, he could run for 12 touchdowns. He can break a play from anywhere on the field. Also, Miami lost Mike McDaniels the head coach. We do not know who the Miami Dolphins quarterback will be and that is a huge problem.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I think after a Monroe at nine, I think the top nine is justified. Then the end of the first round becomes pretty messy and I would not want it this year. Sometimes the turn is a great place to be. I would much rather have like the fifth or sixth pick. I have HN lower. I have him 15th. Mike McDaniel.

[Danny Kelly]

Big deal to me, like 100%.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We just talked about on the lessons episode like be aware of teams that lose their awesome coordinator. Miami is the top of that list for me this year. What he's able to do schematically to get hn, you know, in open space we have, we don't know anything really about the packers head coach. I mean compared to others, Dolphins.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And now, sorry, the Dolphins head coach compared to others, he's from the Packers. And then Kevin Patullo's now there. I don't know who the quarterback's going.

[Danny Kelly]

To be that doesn't fill you with confidence.

[Craig Korlbeck]

This whole thing is a mess. Like if I'm wrong about Greg, this whole situation, so be it.

[Danny Kelly]

I think this, I think he is the single hardest player to rank because he was the perfect fit for the Mike McDaniel offense. He was handpicked by Mike McDaniel. The way that their offense worked with like quick passes and getting the ball out of to his hands immediately was massive. And that was huge for HN because he was essentially just like the check down option. Yeah, there's so many variable variables here. New head coach, new offensive coordinator, new quarterback and look, how do you rank this guy? Even though he, I think he's awesome. I personally like Craig. You said you're fading him a little bit. I have no problem with that because I don't know what to do with him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And I guess, look, the quarterback thing, you could say, I mean, last year it was TUA and he was still great, so it can't really get much worse than that. But I think the Mike McDaniel piece is way bigger.

[Danny Heifetz]

But it's both, because if they kept Mike McDaniel and signed Kirk Cousins to be the Dolphins quarterback, I'd be like, you could take Devon HN fifth, and I don't think it's crazy. You could take them ahead of Jamar Chase because you're like, all right, we know what Mike McDaniel likes to use him. Kirk Cousins is going to check down all the time. They're going to have a lot of passes to hn. Kirk's going to know how to get the ball into his hands. Like, HN might lead all running backs to catches. If you're telling me the quarterback's going to be, I mean, Kyler Murray or some, like, whoever, someone who's going to scramble and, like, not check down, then suddenly I'm like, I, I. And on top of not knowing who the coordinator is, and I'm like, okay, we don't know what the game plan is going to be. Maybe they don't want HN as the goal line back. Like, you don't know stuff. But what we just saw was someone who, like, really believed in him. So, yeah, the, the variance for HN feels huge. And again, in addition to the fact that he's a smaller guy and any kind of injuries he picks up makes him not a superhero anymore, which is also a problem. So I, I agree. DK I think he's one of the harder people. I think the neck, him and the next guy, CD Lamb, I think, were the two hardest people for me to rank.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. CD Lamb, who was outscored by George Pickens last year.

[Danny Heifetz]

We have CD Lamb, 11th, and I didn't know what to do with him. And I think where I decided is I'm going to move him up and Pickens down. But it's weird to think of CD Lam being outside the top 10 for any reason.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

But it's also weird. I, I, I, I, I didn't know what to do. Maybe we have him, like, way too low at 11.

[Craig Korlbeck]

CD Lamb is interesting because for a variety of reasons, like Dak Prescott's health, you Know the Pickens thing. But he's really only had one great year. CD it's 2023. He was fantastic and he was like the best wide receiver in fantasy football. And then other than that, you're like last year he was the wide receiver 15. The year before that he was the wide receiver 11. He's only a double digit touchdowns once. I don't know. I kind of was surprised going back looking at what CD Lam has put together in his six seasons or five seasons? Six seasons. I think from a talent perspective he's like elite and he's incredible. But he hasn't put it together that many times. And a lot of it is because Dak Prescott has been like hurt twice in his career. But with Pickens here now, I do think his floor is a little lower. I think this is right. I think end of the first round is right.

[Danny Kelly]

I think so too.

[Danny Heifetz]

He had. So he hurt his ankle in the middle. I mean he started out with like 212, 220 yards in two games and then he hurt his ankle and he came. He missed like a month.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Too skinny. Never wrong, just early.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, he is too skinny.

[Danny Kelly]

What about Pickens? He's skinny too.

[Danny Heifetz]

Pickens is not as.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Pickens isn't a human, he's a cat.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, George Pickens, the cat.

[Danny Kelly]

That's very true. He jumps when he gets scared.

[Danny Heifetz]

While we're here, I just skipping to this Pickens, we had honorable mentions. Where do you take Pickens? I just think I won't have Pickens because everyone's gonna be like, oh, George Pickens, I'll take him in the top 15. And I'm like, the combination of franchise tag, one year deal, it's going to drive him a little crazy because he's a volatile person. He's going to be on a contract year. Jerry's going to use him for content. I don't like that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And also I use him for content.

[Danny Heifetz]

He will be. He will use your media headlines with George Pickens needs new contract. But I don't know, part of me thinks that CD this is like the pendulum swings around and CD is going to be the person that Dak needs to kind of like stroke the ego. And I don't know, it's a weird, it's a weird situation. But I do think the answer is probably like this is one of those rare things where both guys probably end up top six receivers. Like they're both going to be elite. But I don't know, it makes it harder for me to rank cdlim.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Do you think that, like the, The. The. It worked for one year, Pickens and cd like Jordan Poole and the Warriors. And then the second year, Draymond punches him in training camp.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like a little.

[Craig Korlbeck]

A little wonder.

[Danny Heifetz]

I wonder how long the friendship. Yeah, exactly. CD got.

[Danny Kelly]

The honeymoon is over. In other words, Craig, is that what you're thinking?

[Danny Heifetz]

Maybe they'll go to another restaurant in Las Vegas together?

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think just because. I genuinely don't know, like, there is a world in which Pickens, I guess, continues to outperform cd and just because that's a possibility, I think I just. I have to lower CD and.

[Danny Kelly]

And, yeah, the other thing is fringe. First round, we're doing this ranking. We're doing this ranking right now. We don't actually even know if he's going to be on this. The Cowboys next year.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He's going to be on the Cow.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, we say that, but there's all these things that all the variables that are, I think, true. He's a little volatile personality wise. We don't know exactly how it went in year one. Also, teams that just give big money to two receivers like that doesn't. I don't think that's like a lock that they're going to do that. Especially after they traded away their top defensive player so they could try and get better on defense. You know what I mean?

[Danny Heifetz]

Does it move you at all that Jerry Jones said:6 days ago, I want George Pickens to be a Cowboy for a long time?

[Danny Kelly]

No, not really. He says a lot of shit. I think the most likely scenario, yes, is that he plays for the Cowboys, but I think that also just. It is still possible that they tag and trade him or something like that. I mean, we didn't think they were going to trade freaking Michael Parsons. You know, I just wouldn't put anything past the Cowboys.

[Danny Heifetz]

They love George Pickens is told not to make a handshake deal with Jerry Jones in March that he tries to hold him to six months later. The. Okay, so we have. So that's the top 11. We have Gibbs and Bijan basically is the top two. Puka Niku and Jamar Chase as top four. And then we have, like, JSN and Christian McCaffrey. Then it's John Taylor, James Cook, Amanra St. Brown, Devon HN, CD Lamb. And then we have motherfucking Derrick Henry, 12th overall.

[Danny Kelly]

HN feels too high here. As I'm like, looking at this list. Achan feels too high and Derek Henry feels too low.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, here's why I am just. I Am my tattoo. I'm sticking with this. I am like, I. Every time people say Derek Henry is his age, I don't care. Like, la la. Like it's the, you know, the fugitive. When Harrison Ford's like, I didn't kill my wife. Tommy Lee Jones was like, I don't care. That's me.

[Craig Korlbeck]

He doesn't yell it, but yeah, I don't care.

[Danny Heifetz]

Tunnel. He does yell.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, no. He goes, I don't care.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's true.

[Danny Kelly]

It was like, what is it called? Mandela effect.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, that's when you think someone's die.

[Danny Kelly]

No, it's when everyone accepts that something happened or whatever. Oh, and it didn't actually happen.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Harrison Ford yells. He goes, I didn't kill my wife. He's pointing a gun at him. And he goes, I don't care, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

But that's Derek. It's like, oh, he's the oldest running back in the league. Don't give a. I watched the end of the season and he looked better than everybody on earth.

[Danny Kelly]

So Derek Henry, how many league. Do you know how many leagues this guy. He cost me a thousands of dollars.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm not blaming him. It's not his fault. It's Lamar's fault and the Ravens fault. It's not Derek Henry's fault for what? It's, it's not his fault.

[Danny Heifetz]

What's not his fault?

[Craig Korlbeck]

His, his sporadic production this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it was. Everyone got hurt.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's right.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I just said, yeah, I, I, I can't. It's so insane.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm gonna write, though, again, right around 12 is right. Like, he shouldn't be up there with Jameer Gibbs or Bijan. None of that. But yeah, end of the first round, Derrick Henry, rock solid pick. You'll probably get him for a discount because as they do every year, we've been doing this since he was like 28, 29, 32. No one's going to want this guy, especially because of the weird Ravens year last year. So I think he'll honestly probably be a steal. I. The other guy, who I think is fringe in this area, who from a talent perspective belongs in the group that we've been discussing today, is Justin Jefferson, who I was very low on last year. I regret I have him 10th, which I don't, I don't even think that's right. You guys have him 16th and 18th. I'm just, I'm basically. If Kirk Cousins is on the Vikings, where is Justin Jefferson ranked? That's kind of how I'm thinking about it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, top Eight for sure. Maybe higher. I think Justin Jefferson, you could put him fifth if you wanted to. Because you put him right, like.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Where he is right now. We can like guarantee he won't be in August because if. If it's JJ McCarthy, we will drop him lower and if it's Kirk Cousins, we will raise him higher.

[Danny Heifetz]

The whole off season, they're gonna try to get Justin Jefferson the ball. They're like, they have to make him happy. They need him more involved in the offense. But I agree that there's. I would rather just be wrong about Justin Jefferson and McCarthy makes him look good than have Justin Jefferson and McCarthy looks the same. If Kirk Cousins goes there, then yeah, Jefferson may be a top five player.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Top six. The person we have 13th, I want to ask you about, we have Trey McBride for the Cardinals. The tight end. He was number one tight end by a country mile. It's not like one of the more because of the combination of George Kittle tearing his Achilles and Brock Bowers was kind of hurt and just bad that the gap between McBride and the next tight ends was so much like comically large. I though kind of move him down. I think my I while doing this, I didn't intend for this, but I think my first take that I'm gonna have for the fantasy season is I'd rather just wait and take Brock.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's a good name for a show.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, first. My first take.

[Craig Korlbeck]

First take.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, that's good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Write that down.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, that's. There's something to that.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I like when you said that, I was like, wow, that's a. That's like. That might even be a whole show. Anyway, continue.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let's cut this from the show because someone might take the end idea.

[Danny Kelly]

You can't steal this.

[Danny Heifetz]

I kind of just want Brock Bowers next year or be the last person to take a tight end because I kind of think Brock, like there's this whole next tier here of people. We're basically could be great but flawed for some reason. Where it's like there's Ashton Jenty and Saquon or Justin Jefferson. Where like there's. Yeah. Genti Saquon talented. What happened to the offense? There's Justin Jefferson quarterback question. There's Malik neighbors, staff and like he just come off an acl. Drake London where it's like. Is his quarterback Michael Penck and what's the dealing with that? Like Nico Collins, you know, Rasheed Rice. Where it's like my home's towards ACL and Rasheed Rice has a lot Going on George Pickens. And I'm kind of like, Brock Bowers could just straight in catches, yards and touchdowns. Brock Bowers could outdo all of those guys, Dre like all of those guys. And it's not crazy because Brock Bowers is rookie year. He literally had like the best tight end season of all time. Like, Brock Bowers is a rookie, had 1200 yards, 112 catches. And I'm like, throw out. Last year he was the worst team in the league. The coaching was horrific. The Gino, he was hurt Chip Kelly and then he hurt a PCL injury in his knee, which is like the worst case because you can play through it, but you're not really a great athlete anymore with a PCL injury. So if he's fully healthy and you have Clint Kubiak coming in even with Mendoza as a rookie, I'm kind of like, man, if Bowers is the centerpiece of the offense, what if Bowers is a 28%? What if Bowers gets one out of the three Cat passes in this offense the way JSN just did or anything resembling it as a tight end, you're like, I would just take him over all these guys.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I totally agree. I. I would pro. I would take Brock bowers over Trey McBride. And I think you could he. I mean, Travis Kelce was going in the first round. Why can't Brock Bowers be going in the first round?

[Danny Kelly]

You would take him over McBride.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think people are going to be shocked by us saying that, Craig.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. Again, like, well, this is an interesting conversation to have with Vegas because I have Ashton Genti way higher than the two of you, which. It's always funny when you see other people's rankings and you start to regret everything you've done, but you get like, shame. But I don't know if I'm doing the same thing I did last year with Genti, which is. I'm like, well, I like their head coach. I think he's a great play caller. Right? That's the goal, is you get a head coach who is also a play caller. So you feel good about that. They have Fernando Mendoza, who I think will be better than Geno Smith, and I feel confident in him at least to be a floor raiser with Clint Kubiak. I'm like, I like all that. And I think Ashton Genti from a talent perspective is fucking really good. And so I'm like, am I just doing the same thing I did last year where I was like, well, Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Geno Smith, I don't think is so bad and this could all work out. I think I'm doing that again. But I think I'm just drinking the Kool Aid on Vegas a little bit and I probably shouldn't be.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, this. You know what it reminds me of is. Well, the reason I. The reason I was a little shocked you would take Bowers over McBride. I. I think Bowers, if I had to choose, I would rather have Bowers on my team. Like, I think he's a better player. But the rookie quarterback thing really makes.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Me worried who's gonna be the quarterback for the Cardinals?

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's going to be Brissette. And we've seen the results with Brissette. Like Brissette feeds him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

If it's Brissette, I would consider. I would consider him. But is it.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess if that is just turned over. It's a new coach again. The office Nate Hackett, the officer won one game.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Why the would they bring him back?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, in his defense, I don't think it was the offense's fault they lost those games. They were scoring a lot of points.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I think they were worse than we think down the stretch. I feel like he had, he had that one game where he had like 46 completions.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was good.

[Craig Korlbeck]

In fantasy, sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

It sounds insane for us to not have McBride as the first pick. I think what, I guess the way I'd say it is, I don't know. Like, realistically, you won't have to rank Bowers over McBride. I think what I'm saying is like McBride will probably be the number one ranked tight end and brought Bowers will be too, but they'll kind of be reversed to where they were last year. Last year Bowers was like making it up the 15th pick and McBride was like 21st or 25th or something. And I think that that's going to flip. McBride will be like the 14th or 15th pick in drafts and Bowers will be later. But I'd actually rather late wait and get Bowers because I think he might be better straight up, which sounds crazy. But then when you see the two coaching, I'm like, I just think the Arizona is going to be a mess. And then generally speaking, I don't want to rely on a team being a mess to like be the same kind of mess as they were last year, if that makes sense.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I agree.

[Danny Heifetz]

McBride's great. I have nothing, no problem with him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Same. He's awesome. They're. They're neck and neck. But I tend to agree that I think I'd probably just prefer to take Bowers this year, especially where they're going.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it silly that we're talking about Bowers and McBride over Saquon? Like no. Are we like are we underrating Saquon? Is it like too much recency bias with what he did last season?

[Danny Heifetz]

I gotta tell you, I my plan and I one of my tattoos I'd written down was like take Saquon bounce back year. Like it's obvious. But I will say Jeff Stoutland leaving for the Eagles like their offensive line coach, the run game coordinator, him being like this is a mess and then thing is tough. Yeah, I, I don't love the idea that Jeff Stoutland, the guy who was designing all the runs and everything left and is like widely considered like the architect teach. He's the guy who teaches the Eagles offensive line how to play offensive line and it's like the guys that he's developed, Lane Johnson again. Jason Kelsey's a sixth round center. He's going to make the hall of Fame. Jordan, my lot had never played football before. He's a top five left tackle. Like the amount of people that Jeff Stoutland would just teach and plug and they could plug and play and they guys that the old has never played football well.

[Danny Kelly]

Guy is like, I know, I cannot believe this. What an idiot.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mai Beckton's only good football in the last five years was for Jeff Stoutland. The amount of people they do that for.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you do here?

[Danny Heifetz]

I know. And so that makes me nervous with Saquon. But I agree that Saquon's probably a good value. Like you're going to be in your second round against Saquon. It's probably pretty good. Like you could probably get Derrick Henry and Saquon with the last pick. You could get Derek County 12th and sake 1 13th and be like, huh, this isn't very hard, is it?

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's funny because that's like the last year version of getting like McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes, yes it is. You're like, wow, people are worrying about the wrong things. So yeah, I think Saquon's the question there because I will say I think the receiver and one of the reasons I ultimately decided to not put put Puka first was looking at how many receivers there are at later in the second round. Like let's just say for a second it's that order. Let's say it's like Trey McBride or whatever. Saquon, like the guys that we have 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st are like Rasheed Rice, Drake, London, Nico Collins, Malik, neighbors, George Pickens. All those guys are capable of being top five receivers and no one would blink an eye. And they all have slightly issues but the sheer volume of them makes me kind of want to get. There's a lot of solid running backs I kind of prefer.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah this is all this is the case every year and it's. It's why lately I'm so much more committed to taking a running back in the first round. I'm just like the wide receivers are deeper than ever. The conversation every year it feels like it gets deeper and deeper and deeper and it's like well, I don't think I need to take Jackson, Smith and Jake but four when I could get Drake London at 21 and then whoever.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Christian McCaffrey. If we're severely underrating people again who the entire offense might revolve around, you could argue it's Rasheed Rice. Where for the Chiefs where everything or Malik Neighbors for the Giants. Both those guys have issue. I will say Rashid Rice we don't get it all as off season off field stuff but man I.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Is there more?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's his. His. The mother of his child posted an Instagram and I will say it's different than just reading a headline where it's like a news description of a police report of a you know, the car, you know car crash that he caused drag racing when you his mother was child posted on Instagram and you read it, you're like Jesus Christ. Like God. You're like I don't know. Just get left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, okay. I didn't see that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, I got him 16th so I don't think I'm a good person. I'm not trying to high horse anyone.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, but you're right. I mean when. When he's on the field like if she, Rice and Mahomes are on the field together, he's like a top five wide receiver.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like the. The whole. It's heliocentric like every play seems for him. And also Jeff's did it again.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Where do you guys stand on Ashton Genti.

[Danny Kelly]

I was gonna say Craig. I think the two most interesting people that we've talked about today are Ashton Gentian Bowers because I don't know what to do with them because I'm afraid we're doing the thing that we did and obviously this is a very different thing because you know, Cam Ward had a really tough rookie season but I kind of got excited about what the. What the Titans could do with Cam Ward last year is like you overestimate what rookie quarterbacks could do. Even when you like them and you think they're good, most of the time they're not good like rookie quarterbacks. Most of the time it's. You're not going to see a Jaden Daniels type thing. You're going to see, you know, more like a Cam Ward type of deal where they're one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL even though they flash at times.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. Look at Drake May. Look at Caleb Williams. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, how much dk, how much do you think the Seahawks offensive line is talented and was. I think the question is going to be, can Kubiak do what he did in Seattle with the Raiders? But to your point, I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

That's. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Mendoza is not going to be as advanced as Darnold was like this year. Mendoza, I was gonna say his high ceiling, but probably not. Donald's won the super bowl and was a really toolsy quarterback. I think the question is, was the Seahawks offensive line talented? And then Ryan Grubb came from college as the coordinator in 2024 and like really made him look worse. So when Kubiak took over, it looked like more of a project, but he had a lot working with him or are they kind of bad? And because that's the problem with the Raiders O line is like they have a lot of skill, talent with Bowers and Michael Mayer and Genty. But the question is the Raiders offensive line, is it a liability?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

How good can you make it?

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I do think that. I do think their offensive line will be better next year. I think the scheme will help things. I, I think the Seahawks offense for years was bad, you know, and getting Gray's able was a stabilizing force. Charles Cross was healthy. Finally Abe Lucas was healthy. So there was three guys that kind of came together on the Seahawks offensive line and made it look a lot better. There's a lot of moving parts there. And so like look, here's, here's an example. Clint Kubiak and this is probably not a good example because it's very different. But Clint Kubiak with Derek Carr early on in the season, with the Saints last year. So in the 2024 season, lighting it up like they're. Remember how early on in the season we're like, holy, this is the best offense I've ever seen in my life. And then their quarterback got hurt, their car got hurt, and then it was like Rattler and whoever. I don't even remember they had a couple different guys play.

[Danny Heifetz]

A lot of injuries on that Saints.

[Danny Kelly]

And the offense fell apart. And I'm not saying that. That Fernando Mendoza is going to be as bad as those guys were, but the quarterback does matter a lot. Having, like a veteran quarterback who's going to go in and kind of like run the show, it does matter a lot. And so I'm. I'm a little bit worried about getting over my skis with. With Genty and Bowers, even though I think they're both electric players. You know what I mean? I just worry the offense won't be as good as we think it is or what we're kind of like projecting it to be with this quarterback or with the quarterback. And play caller changes.

[Danny Heifetz]

So you're into Saquon because you love the quarterback for Philly?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, Saquon's done it a lot.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know. I'm just wondering who you're more concerned about, the Raiders rookie quarterback or Jalen Hurts?

[Danny Kelly]

I'm just wondering, probably the Raiders rookie quarterback.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I'm kidding. I'm not trying to make funny. I'm making fun of Jalen Hurts. Okay. If the Eagles. If the Eagles like careen and crash this year, are Eagles fans gonna turn on jalen hurts?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, 100.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Sirianni's gonna fire him.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It doesn't take long.

[Danny Kelly]

Sirianna's gonna go to McKilly.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Just in general, it doesn't take long for people to turn on a player on their team. My. I think my, my stance with Philadelphia this year is I'll wait. I'm good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, here's my question for you guys. I thought about this. I put Jalen Hurts ninth on my quarterback list because honestly, for one reason, I think they're going to ban the Tush push. And I'm curious what happens? Do they just quarterback sneak and it's like the same thing and it's going to be funny when it's like, oh, no, now we get 87% of these instead of 91% of them. You know what I mean? Or is it going to actually affect Jalen Hurts his value? Because it's like when they can't do the Tush push, it's like, okay, like, now what?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, yeah, right. We're going to have to go back, watch the tape and determine how many successful touchdown Tush pushes were a result of the push. And I think a lot of them.

[Danny Kelly]

I think a lot of them were because of the push.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's also good at finding the nooks and crannies. But yeah, it's funny how much is push.

[Danny Kelly]

He is. But it's like a landslide. The way that they do it is truly like a landslide. You can't get under it and it. You just. It just carries the entire team with him. It's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the irony in a way. They're going to ban the tush push and then the Eagles will block the play the same way. And then people are gonna be like, oh, yeah, it was. It was the rugby scrum at the center of it. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It was both guards jumping before the ball is snapped.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. And get lower than you. But they're just. Now Saquon can't push. Jalen hurts his ass.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it'll be interesting, man. It is. I think Kurt's another guy that's going to be very difficult. Like you said Hive, it's to. To rank this year because, yeah, it does feel like things could get hairy for the. For the Eagles this year. With Stouton gone, with, you know, the tush push gone, what is that going to look like?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think. I think there's a clear. I think that my takeaway from this. I don't know if you guys. My takeaway is like the top four to six, depending on your count, are like incredible riches. Maybe the top four. It's just so easy. So little mental energy where it's like Jamar Chase and Puka and Gibson Bijan. And then it's like McCaffrey and JSN and, you know, Jonathan. And then it gets like, okay, personality. It's not even like. It's just more about. It says more about you in the. How you would take them of like you want James Cook or Jonathan Taylor. Where it says more about like, you know, bird in the hand, you know, two in the bush. And then it's like a Monroe Devon Hn CD Derek. And then it's like it's really kind of wide open. So there's a lot. It'll be fun. It'll be more. It'll be a lot to fun to get in this July and August. Anything else on these guys before we get do.

[Danny Kelly]

So wait real quick. Where do you want to pick? If you could. If you could raffle off like the. The number in the draft. What number do you want?

[Danny Heifetz]

Fourth Feels like the easiest thing ever because simply put, you just sit there and you just let either Jameer Gibbs or Bijan Robinson or Jamar Chase or Puka fall to you very easily. Convince yourself in one second that that will be the best player in the entire season. But then when you come back around, if it's a 10 team league, you might have Derrick Henry or McBride or Brock Bowers or Malik Neighbors or fall to you. And if you're in a 12 team league, you're going to come back with a 20th pick and you might. I mean you literally could just get Puka Nakua and George Pickens. You could get Pukinakua and Drake London like you're going to. It's pretty. Fourth is amazing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I agree. Right around there. Four, five, six.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Sweet.

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[Danny Heifetz]

Now, Craig, did you have a random thing about sleep or. I don't even know what you wanted to talk about.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I wrote down last night I was going to sleep in Los Angeles and it was pouring rain, dumping rain. And I. I don't think it's a hot take to say that people like sleeping to the sound of rain. People put it on their phones when they go or they have white noise. White machines. Yeah. That play rain sounds. But when it's actually raining out, I think that is even more comforting. Would you guys agree?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Because it's real.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I wanted to make sure first that I'm not alone in that. Like when it's raining outside, that feels nice to sleep in.

[Danny Kelly]

I would say for me living in the Pacific Northwest. No, but sure, I understand where you're coming from.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, you two are literally, I think almost literally the most and Least rainy parts of the entire country.

[Danny Kelly]

When it's raining. When it's raining here, in the back of my mind, I'm like, God damn it. Am I gonna have to go check to make sure my basement's flooding? So that's not, like, the most relaxing thing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But, yes, I get what you're saying. The sound is very nice.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, I kind of wanted to just ask, like, why you guys think that people think it's nice to go to sleep when it's raining. Why do you think that is?

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think it's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Is it just the sound, or. My theory was like, yes, dk, I'm sure you're going to go the same way. Like, historically, rain means, like, my crops are getting watered and the. And the garden will prosper and the animals can drink and I'll have fresh water. Like, do you think that yes. At all plays a factor in our brains?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know if farming's even that deep in. I don't even know if we've been doing that long enough for evolution. I think it's just like an. You want to. You're an animal, and you want to see treasure. Shelter in the rain. And being rained on isn't that big of a deal. Like, we shower. It's like, being wet isn't a big deal now because you'll be fine. It's more like being rained on. Minsito shelter. And so you dry and it's raining and you're dry and you're supposed to. That's supposed to be a good feeling.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I didn't think about that. The shelter aspect of it. That's probably right, too, that. That when it's raining outside your body, instinctively being indoors means that you feel safe.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig, there's. This. Is. This reminds me of. And I read this stat somewhere. I can't remember what exactly it is, but, like, human beings can smell the scent of rain.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Rain does, like, a very.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Does rain. We just smell the rain on the. On, like, asphalt or something.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know. But I am rain. I feel like rain.

[Danny Kelly]

No, it is a smell. It is a smell. So I'm reading it right now. Humans can smell rain, a phenomenon called Petracore. And it's. It is a clean scent. When rain lands on ground, it's produced by a combination of soil bacteria, plant oils, some other things. So, like, the smell of rain, the smell of water hitting the earth is like. We're, like, very attuned to that, and it's nice. Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

When you walk outside like, and it's like a rainy day and you're gonna go on a walk and it just went raining and you're like, oh, it smells so good out there.

[Danny Kelly]

Is. There's a stat here, this. And I don't know what if it's true or not, but, like, human beings have. This says we have a remarkably high sensitivity to the smell of geosman or geosman, which is arguably more sensitive than a shark's ability to smell blood.

[Danny Heifetz]

What?

[Danny Kelly]

So we are very finely tuned at smelling rain because obviously, everything you just said. So I feel like evolutionarily speaking, it makes a ton of sense that you. The sound of rain is a good thing. It's like what we're attuned to based on however many years of evolution, because, yeah, the smell part is a big part of it, too.

[Danny Heifetz]

So we're just, like, sniffing around like someone cooked here, but it's like someone rang someone cooked.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah. I was, like, laying in bed last night. Liz was, like, basically asleep. And I'm, like, asking her questions about, like, do you think we feel safe when it rains? She's like, can we just go to bed? And I'm like, I'm going to ask the. Danny just.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, that's literally the meme where she's like, he's probably thinking about other women and Craigs in the corner. Like, why.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Why does rain.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why? We love rain.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we just go to sleep?

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm like, maybe we feel safe because we, you know, we think our crops are being watered. That's got to be it. And she's like, go to bed. But it's the same thing of, like, why human beings, like, being near bodies of water. Like, why we just want to go sit and stare at water.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think, yeah, I think that's abundance. I think it's. I don't think. I honestly think it's in your DNA. It's like the difference between 30,000 years of farming or 10,000, whatever it is, and like, 3 million is like, yeah, like, that's huge. And I think it's. If you're near water, you're near a lot of life. Like, if you're looking at water, you're looking at, there's fish, there's. There are. The watering hole. It's like, you have water to drink, but there's also other things that you can go and eat.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I mean, civilization and cities were built around rivers on purpose because, like, you needed water to. To thrive. And I. That. I think that's so interesting that still to this day, like, you want to have a house on a lake or by a river or near the ocean, just so you can look at the water.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're animals. Why LA is so goddamn unsettling? It's because there's no rivers. It's just highways. The highways are the rivers. The whole city's built around the freaking highway.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, we all. We have the ocean.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, and when was the last time you went to the ocean, Greg?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, last week.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, fine, but you know what I'm talking about. People on the east side go years without seeing the ocean.

[Craig Korlbeck]

No, I know, but there's a difference between LA not having water in, like, Des Moines, Iowa.

[Danny Heifetz]

But yeah, well, they have a river. I'm telling you. The LA is a sewer that you call a river. The LA Rivers goes through concrete.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The LA river is very important.

[Danny Kelly]

But yeah, stop on la.

[Danny Heifetz]

All Italians. The Italian Job. It's important in the movies.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Can we just go to bed anyway?

[Danny Kelly]

We just go to bed.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I really want a house on a.

[Danny Kelly]

Stop asking me questions.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I want a house on a lake or a river so bad.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us about smelling rain. I'm obsessed with that idea. If you're like a smell scientist, I want to hear from you or any.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Smell scientist, anyone who can explain this more an odorologist.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I can't. That's amazing. Email us at your fantasy football Gmail. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's so good. We should rank smells in the offseason.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Whoa.

[Danny Kelly]

Jesus.

[Danny Heifetz]

No good ones.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We. Or we should do both.

[Danny Heifetz]

Both. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should do both.

[Danny Kelly]

Really?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right. We got. We asked for people who emails. We wanted your mom's sports takes. We wanted sports takes that your mom have. Has.

[Danny Kelly]

Say hi to your mom for us.

[Danny Heifetz]

We.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Say hi to your mother for me. So you're a donkey, huh? What's that all about? Say hi to your mother for me.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, this email is from Marky.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Mark. Phil. Phil.

[Danny Kelly]

Phil.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Phil Connors.

[Danny Kelly]

Bing.

[Danny Heifetz]

I knew you guys would love that. For breakfast, I had a bottle of oats overnight and a cup of Starbucks caramel bottle oats. I was also wondering. He said Starbucks Caramel macchiato. Ice, Espresso. The ones in the grocery store.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, yeah, those are really tasty.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, those little ones in the little.

[Danny Kelly]

The. Mark, the macchiato. I. I would drink those every day if they didn't have, like, 500 calories in them.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're like little milkshakes. But, man, you know what?

[Danny Heifetz]

They mix weirdly well with tequila, which I think was just something we told ourselves in college. I don't know if that's actually true.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, really? But I've never done that.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig. When I drink the Starbucks Macchiato, Skippy gives me a very dirty look. She's like, judgy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[Danny Kelly]

She's like, that is like you're drinking just pure sugar right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's for children.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's like before we all realized Jamba Juice was a scam. It's just like 120 grams of sugar with a banana.

[Danny Kelly]

So it tastes good, though.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We're like, starting my day right with a razzmatazz. And it's like 93 grams of sugar and some raspberries in a bottle.

[Danny Heifetz]

Eating my Cookie Crisps with my Starbucks Macchiato iced espresso. Okay, sounds good. Phil writes, my mom hates the peanut punch.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay, that hugs me. Okay, that's fair. I get that.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, why?

[Danny Heifetz]

My mom hates when a running back is getting tackled and the tackler rips the ball out as the running backs go going down, or when they punch the ball out.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think the peanut punch, because it feels like it's not the running back's fault. Like they still did everything right, you know, like they were holding it on tightly. Even if it's in the right position, you can still get peanut punch. And I think that sucks.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it dishonorable to punch it out?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's so. I. I think this is so funny. Phil writes, my mom's also not a fan of. Of the dog piles or 50. 50 balls where the same thing happens and the defender is allowed to rip the ball out. She. That's the theme is when someone has the ball. I think Phil's mom really doesn't like that the ball gets to be ripped out. And quote, my mom says, quote, it's not fair that a bunch of guys can just take the ball from one guy. That's not fair.

[Craig Korlbeck]

So we so far with my mom and Phil's mom, I think moms just don't like turnovers, ball security.

[Danny Heifetz]

And the punching. The punching of the ball is so violent.

[Danny Kelly]

Punching of the ball is unfair. What did your mom dislike again?

[Craig Korlbeck]

She feels bad for the quarterback when there's interception.

[Danny Heifetz]

Right? That's what launched all this.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They throw picks. I do agree with Phil's mom a little bit. Like when the play feels half over and we're in that, like, no man's land of. It's the plays that's not blown dead yet, but they're clearly not. Nothing's going to happen. And guys are just, just ripping to get the ball out. I don't like that as part of the one.

[Danny Heifetz]

The one that I sport, I feel bad for is when they have good ball security. Like, you got to go high and tight. And if you're low, like Derek Henry sometimes, like, it deserves it. But when you're high and tight. But the new one is when you're falling. They're so good at the punching now that guys now going down. If you put any gap between the ball and your chest to brace yourself for the fall, defenders have become superhuman at punching in that, like, quarter second moment as you're bracing. And I feel like that happened more the last two seasons than the rest of my life combined. Like, just guys bracing them for the fall. And that one I feel bad for.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, I agree.

[Danny Kelly]

Good take.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, the next mom take here is from Victor Vivo. Victor writes, my breakfast was leftover buffalo chicken dip, leftover rotel, and leftover garlic bread bites used as the vessel for said dips.

[Danny Kelly]

What's rotel?

[Craig Korlbeck]

What's rotel?

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, it's like a diced. It's like a tomatoes, and it's like it comes in a can. I think it's for the super bowl party.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Buffalo dip, kind of like peak tomatoes and garlic bread.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like a lot of super bowl food. I think that he just woke up and ate. So Victor writes a bit of backstory. My mom came over here from Kenya in the 1990s. My mom knows very little about football, however, because the best. Actually, this is the best.

[Danny Kelly]

These are the best takes.

[Danny Heifetz]

So my mom. Sorry. Victor writes that because my mom, well, we grew up in Ohio, she has become an Ohio State fan, and especially Ohio State football fan. And my mom's take is that she just simply cannot watch a football game if the score is close.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

My mom prefers football to be absolute blowouts.

[Danny Kelly]

Hell, yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And even this take. So he says, even though my mom is so funny. So Victor writes, even though my mom kind of understands the rules and never knows any of the players, watching a game stresses her out. Like she's watching 11 of her own children on television. And if the score is too close around halftime, she will just get up and leave.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of. I understand this. I like to read the plot of movies before watching them.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

Like how frequent?

[Danny Kelly]

Like. Like horror movies. Not. Not all movies. I don't like to. I don't like the stress of suspense. I think suspense as a device in a movie is terrible.

[Craig Korlbeck]

But. But. But not all movies have suspense. Like, what about a movie that's not suspenseful. You still want to spoil that?

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, not every.

[Danny Heifetz]

Read the Wikipedia for Transformers before you watched it.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, I. I just mean mostly movies. Horror movies or thriller type movies where the idea is you're gonna be stressed out this whole movie. I don't want that. I don't like that. So I get what she's saying. I don't. I don't agree with it. I like the sport of football and you know, not knowing what's gonna happen before the game is on. But I understand where she's coming from.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I mean I do. I do too. This is funny. So she see he keeps writing that. My mom. So she'll leave at halftime. She just won't watch it. And she said she won't watch the rest of the game if the score is close until one of us tells her the outcome. Like they just tell her the final score. And if the final score was not what she wanted, she just doesn't watch the highlights. But if Ohio State blew the other team out, then she goes back and watches all the highlights.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There's something really sweet about this.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. She.

[Danny Kelly]

My dad kind of does something like this with Nebraska football. He's a long suffering Nebraska fan. Obviously. Nebraska was a powerhouse in the 80s and 90s and then now they're a basketball player.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They're kind of back.

[Danny Kelly]

The Nebraska football is better now than it was like in sort of the last era where it was literally the laughingstock of college football. But my dad, to alleviate stress would record the game and then I think figure out what happened and decide whether he wanted to watch it or not.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I can understand that though. But that's because he's a fan. Victor's mom just kind of can't take any game. Is really sweet.

[Danny Kelly]

That's actually true.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It's such a mom way of have.

[Danny Kelly]

I love.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's also funny because it's Ohio State. So it's like they play like Toledo. They're like all right, 60 to nothing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Let's find.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean it's a good team to be a fan of. You know.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's also probably had something to do with it is half these games. It's like playing matted on easy. And you're like, yeah, wow, this is easy. And then you watch a close game. You're like, what is this? This one's from Chip.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Chip.

[Danny Kelly]

I love the way my boys are talking to you, Chip.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was so excited to get it.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm their elder. I love the way they're talking to you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Chip threw grandpa chips war medals off the bridge. That is so funny to think about, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

Jesus.

[Danny Heifetz]

Throwing your grandpas and war medals.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I love the way they're talking to you.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, Chip.

[Danny Kelly]

Chip. That's the name.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We need more chips. How am I supposed to chip.

[Danny Kelly]

With that kind of going on? Saw two pig fat bikers having sex off of 19 or off of 18.

[Craig Korlbeck]

How am I supposed to chip?

[Danny Heifetz]

Chip rights.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Big big fat naked biker.

[Danny Kelly]

Two big fat naked bikers.

[Craig Korlbeck]

How am I supposed to chip? Is the implication that the. The big fat naked bikers are. Are now getting into golf because of Happy Gilmore but then pause to have sex?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think you're right. Chip writes. Chip writes. I had a yogurt and cinnamon raisin bagel for breakfast this morning.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Cinnamon raisin bagels are underrated.

[Danny Kelly]

A hundred percent Love cinnamon raisin.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Some butter on that good high. Fitz. I can already tell. He's like New York bagel high society.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. You got madam.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Cinnamon raisin bagel is good. It's like pineapple on pizza. Which done right is also good.

[Danny Kelly]

What's wrong with cinnamon raisins? I didn't realize there was a thing with that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I thought it and it's purism.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You said it with your. You said it with your eyes.

[Danny Heifetz]

I did. I did. But I. I didn't judge. I just thought it.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's go off on New York, Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then I let it go.

[Danny Kelly]

I didn't say anything West Coast.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I've still not said anything concrete Jungle godless.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you think Craig didn't judge you when God said you Wikipedia movies? You think that he didn't? You see the face that he made? It was a lot more worse than.

[Danny Kelly]

What'S the desired effect I was giving it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I want to take back my slander about Des Moines, Iowa. I just picked a random city. I know that they probably have a river, so I just want to.

[Danny Heifetz]

They. They. No one in Iowa forgot what you just said.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'm sure. I know. I was just trying to think of it like Phoenix. I don't think has a river.

[Danny Heifetz]

LA man. Well, they're running out of water. For sure.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I'll go with Phoenix. Who's not near the ocean and doesn't have a river. That's what I'm talking about.

[Danny Heifetz]

Definitely not enough water in Phoenix. Yeah, all the Iowa people are like, classic LA guy picks on Iowa.

[Danny Kelly]

Hey, I. I have the Des Moines River.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. What was I doing? Oh, right. I was reading Chips email. Okay, this is funny. My mom hates all derogatory chants toward.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Other Teams also fair.

[Danny Kelly]

Very mom.

[Danny Heifetz]

Such mom. They're so mom core. Chip says my mom thinks it's not in the spirit of the game. This started when I played high school basketball. But it all came to a head when my parents came with me to a college basketball game and the one of the opposing players air ball the shot. And everyone did air ball. Air ball, airball.

[Danny Kelly]

That's devastating.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Dude. That's nothing.

[Danny Heifetz]

And his mom was horrified. I know it is nothing. And everyone's horrified. And so every time that player touched the ball for the rest of the game, the entire game when he had the ball, everyone did.

[Danny Kelly]

People don't forget. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And so he said my mom hated it and it like ruined her experience at the game. And my mom thinks there should only be positive chance for your team and that. And she says at the very least. Chip writes that his mom doesn't want Chip participating in any derogatory chance toward the other teams ever.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Mothers just want their children to be comfortable.

[Danny Heifetz]

Good.

[Danny Kelly]

They just want a good life for good young men and all children.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I will say college basketball. I think fans can influence the game more in college basketball than any sport.

[Danny Heifetz]

100%.

[Craig Korlbeck]

It is so small and intimate. You can be like 8ft from the guy on the court and google what his mom's name is and yell the name at him as he's trying to shoot a three in a crucial part of the game. Dude. You can really get in kids heads. These kids are like 18, 19 years old. You can people.

[Danny Kelly]

That should happen in high school too. Yeah, totally.

[Danny Heifetz]

High school. Yeah. People go too far. I've. There's bad stories like. But yeah people could. It's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Dude. You know underratedly. I don't think a lot of people know this who don't watch Mountain west or like kind of more like like mid major basketball.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Quietly one of the strongest home court advantage in college basketball. People think Cameron Indoor with Duke and all these big schools. Grand Canyon University.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Craig Korlbeck]

They are fucking insane.

[Danny Kelly]

Do they play College of the Redwoods?

[Craig Korlbeck]

They are. They are in the Mountain west now for this is the first year they're in the Mountain west and the school has a really good nil fund because they're a private school because of the church. So they have a really good nil fund. They don't have football. So a lot of money goes to basketball. So their team is actually not that bad. And all anyone on campus cares about is basketball. They camp out overnight. SDSU just started playing there.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Donovan Mitchell from the Cavaliers said the hardest Place he ever played basketball is at Grand Canyon University. It is ridiculous. Advantage.

[Danny Kelly]

That's awesome. Why?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's just their fans are crazy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't know. They're not drinking, they got nothing else to do.

[Danny Kelly]

They're all hopped up on something else, focused.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Or.

[Danny Kelly]

I'll hop it upon that Old religion university.

[Craig Korlbeck]

The SDC's played there like three times, dude.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's amazing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

All three times. It's crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's incredible how well the fans can coordinate when everybody's sober.

[Danny Kelly]

This reminds me. This reminds me of. I saw a clip yesterday, Craig. I know it's an old clip, but somebody was asking Jokic, he's like, did the. Did the booze at so and so stadium affect you? And he goes, brother, I'm from Serbia. And then it just like cuts to the crowds in Serbia. Like, like fireworks and stuff like there. It's like, like flags in the crowd waving back and forth. Everyone's on their feet. It looks like a, you know, soccer hooligan style thing. And they got freaking flares in their hand, waving around. It's like, man, that would be intimidating. What's the. What's the pod friendly? Funniest thing that you heard someone yell at an SDSU game or in high school or whatever if you're on the court. Pod friendly.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can think of the worst. It's pod friendly, but it's the worst one. But it's just sad. It was me. It was too far.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't want to say it was about you.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, no, no. It was a game I was at. We had the section final and it was like there were two schools, you know, like two games, the semis or something. And the other game, I didn't know the people. It was like a different high school.

[Danny Kelly]

But I remember when I was playing high school basketball, so the art crowd, we are like cheering section. They had T shirts and everything. They called them the X Men. And they were just really rowdy and awesome every game and. But I do remember one game, this guy, they just started chanting ass sweat at him because he was like, shorts were.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, that's like ass sweat.

[Danny Kelly]

Ass sweat. Like the whole game.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's good, clean, family fun. Email us for your fantasy football Gmail stories. Like that. The chance. Like that. Ass sweat.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't want to start finding information about like the guy's sister, his mom, that. That's when stuff.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank God I escaped all that because.

[Danny Heifetz]

We were the Internet era. I've seen horrible things. I just like, yes, but the things they can learn about this. Players do this too. Like any. All these guys, like defensive backs or whatever, looking up the quarterback's girlfriend and DMing her on Instagram and like that's just like all the players are doing.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I mean, I think I can't remember if it was Grand Canyon or a different. I like they'll find out like the coach's phone number and they'll call him like all night so he can't sleep like that. It's.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, that is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Miami did that to Brian Bosworth before the orange bowl like 40 years ago.

[Craig Korlbeck]

What?

[Danny Heifetz]

The Miami players before they played the Orange Bowl. This is in the 30 for 30. They called Brian Bosworth's hotel room and they kept pranking him all night before the game.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Didn't MJ think he got poisoned by the pizza in Utah?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes, I that story is he. He literally. I mean that story seems pretty legit. He's like six guys showed up with a pizza. He's like, when the does that happen? And then I suddenly had food poison. Cheating.

[Danny Kelly]

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Okay, email us more mom takes and email is chance that they did it high school or college and pod friendly. I don't you want the negative ones?

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ass. What?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, ass in in the ass sweat vein.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. One more here on frame mugging.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is from Rylan ryland, our boned I 18 years old. I'm a college freshman, but I've been listening to you guys since I was 14, which is a little terrifying to think about. Rylan says I've never emailed anyone from a podcast, but it. Whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

Love when that's.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I love that this might be his first email.

[Danny Heifetz]

So funny.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's like, what is this? When I heard.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I tried to Snapchat you, but I couldn't. We should get a Snapchat.

[Danny Heifetz]

Actually, we shouldn't make that. Rylan says, when I heard about your clavicular problem, I knew this was my moment to shine. I have a child, a childhood friend named William, that I recently hung out with.

[Danny Kelly]

His name, William.

[Danny Heifetz]

William. Willie's obsessed with mogging, mewing, and probably gooning. And as we were hanging out, my 16 year old brother and William started. They bonded over gooning, mogging, watching, clavicular, which led to them hanging out. And now it's at the point when whatever my brother wants to do something is to put either the word gooning, mogging, or other brain rot into the phrases. So for example, I picked him up from soccer the other day. My Brother gets in the car and he says coach and I goon together. I'll practice low peak. But he kind of mogged me low peak. My gener. So Rylan writes, my generation is cooked. The world is not going to survive till the turn of the century. But fuck it we ball.

[Danny Kelly]

I do like the nihilism there.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Fuck it we ball is fuck it we balls.

[Danny Kelly]

That's great. Also terrifying. I like that his name is William. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of 16 year old Williams walking around.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, that's kind of one of the reasons I like Harold Fannin on the Browns. Harold 21. He's named Harold?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Alvin.

[Danny Heifetz]

Harold. Alvin, William.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I think it's cool. Old names come back like it just takes one.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's so true.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Agnes and then it's so true.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel like women names, women olden time names are definitely making a comeback. What, what are some of men? What are the oldest?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Harold Fan and I'm like the only Harold is up there. The only heralds I know are 75 year old Jewish men.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And now Harold Fannin.

[Danny Kelly]

What's. What's the oldest name you can think of?

[Danny Heifetz]

Gertrude.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Yeah, Gertrude for a woman for sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Dorothy. Dorothy.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Beverly.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I knew Beverly.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You know some Beverly's.

[Danny Kelly]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

I knew a Beverly in high school. Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh wow.

[Danny Heifetz]

I knew multiple actually come to think of it.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh my God. I don't think I've ever met a Beverly that's not over 60.

[Danny Kelly]

Louisa.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know a Louisa under 50.

[Danny Kelly]

Under 50.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Which means she's in her 40s.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. Wish I'd said that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

What about Dot?

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, watching Mad Men, the names are so funny. Where you know what the oldest one is? It's Pete talking to his wife. He's like oh Kitty, come on Kitty. And it's like just.

[Danny Kelly]

Isn't Dot short for Dorothy?

[Danny Heifetz]

Dottie is Dorothy. But calling him Dottie. Dottie, Kitty. All the Betty. All the names in Mad Men are just like oh my God.

[Craig Korlbeck]

These are literally my Betty's a good one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Betty, Dottie and Kitty.

[Craig Korlbeck]

You don't see a lot of Betty's. Peggy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Peggy. Peggy I didn't even realize was short for Margaret. Where? I don't know how we got there. Damn.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I don't think I knew that.

[Danny Kelly]

That's like how Ted is short for Edward.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Ted is short for Theodore.

[Danny Kelly]

Also Edward.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Oh, I didn't know it was short for Edward.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, sometimes it's weird. Doesn't make any sense.

[Craig Korlbeck]

My dad is. It goes by Ted but he's his Name is.

[Danny Kelly]

He's a Theodore. That. I think Theodore is pretty old. Olden times. Yeah. Bernard.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Westworld had Bernard, but I'm trying to think of a. I don't know any burnt. Bernie is great. Yeah, I don't know any Bernie's.

[Danny Kelly]

I kind of like Bernard, Walter, Walt. That's a good one.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Bonnie. What about Bonnie?

[Danny Heifetz]

Stanley? Bonnie. Oh, Bonnie. Yeah. I don't know any Bonnie's. Some of these will come back.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay. I think Walt is short for, like, bonita. You don't see a lot of benitas, huh? Bernadette.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is that girl's name in Dodgeball who tests positive for the beaver tranquilizer.

[Craig Korlbeck]

There's also a Bernadette in Bernice. Oh, yeah, it's Bernice. There's a Bernadette in Big Bang Theory.

[Danny Heifetz]

Email us if you have one of those names and you're, like, under 20.

[Craig Korlbeck]

My. My two grandma's names are Bonnie and Beverly.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, my grandma's names were Albina and Patricia.

[Danny Heifetz]

Patricia, I think. Still going.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, more than.

[Danny Heifetz]

More than the others. Okay, I have an unbelievable tangent. I want to go with you guys, but we've all off season, so I'll save it.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, well, that's a good, good little tease.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's pretty incredible. Okay. Yeah. So we have another episode coming this week. We'll be at the NFL Combine next week by the time you're listening to this. And yeah, stick with us all draft season and the whole year. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Thank you, everyone, for emailing. Thank you for everyone who's framed us. Thank you, Lord.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank you, Lotto.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Okay, have you done lotto?

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, almost 100.

[Craig Korlbeck]

I feel like you did lotto after my wedding.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I don't know anything about lotto. If I did lotto, it was because I was directed to do that by someone.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Well, you still did it.

[Danny Heifetz]

How did you come up with lotto now?

[Danny Kelly]

Because I. I started listening to the song that sounds like Fantasy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. So I know you've done it before.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I, I. Well, I might have done it before, but it wasn't because I know anything about lotto. It's because I was lotto.

[Danny Heifetz]

So we do.

[Danny Kelly]

Tom just told me to say lotto.

[Danny Heifetz]

We wanted fantasy. Mariah Carey, and she sampled Tom. Tom and then lotto. Yeah. Yeah. So shout out lotto. Do you guys ever buy lottery tickets?

[Craig Korlbeck]

When I lived in New York, my buddy Sam and I would buy a lotto. Tickets every. Every week.

[Danny Heifetz]

When it hits to a billion, I buy a tick. I buy lottery tickets.

[Danny Kelly]

It's might as well. It.

[Craig Korlbeck]

We would ball and just agree, like, we're splitting this no matter what, and everybody would just, like, each buy them.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

And I won. I won. I won $300 million.

[Danny Kelly]

You're just doing this for the love of the game. And we appreciate that.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Craig, what's the point of winning the lottery if you can't tell anybody? It's the whole point. I mean, come on.

[Danny Kelly]

The things you can buy. Maybe. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

I had a. I had an Uber driver once whose brother had won the lottery, and he's like, here's what to do if you ever. Because the lottery is like $2 billion. So it came up, and then he was like, my brother won the lottery. Didn't go well. And then he just talked about if you guys ever win the lottery, and he just started giving us all this advice.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Don't tell anyone is actually the right move.

[Danny Heifetz]

Probably. Yeah.

[Craig Korlbeck]

That's what I did.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Good job. Well, you're telling people now, but you already spent all the money, so I.

[Craig Korlbeck]

Just spent it all in fantasy. I put it all on heads, put it all on tails, and lost.

[Danny Kelly]

Super bowl happens to the best of us.

[Danny Heifetz]

Goodbye, everyone.

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