Week 10 Recap: Steelers Suck, Seahawks Rock, Dart Smoked, Bills Get Finned, JT Times 3, and Is Derrick Henry Too Big?

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show – Week 10 Recap

Episode: “Week 10 Recap: Steelers Suck, Seahawks Rock, Dart Smoked, Bills Get Finned, JT Times 3, and Is Derrick Henry Too Big?”

Release Date: November 10, 2025

Hosts: Daniel Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Overview

This Week 10 Recap features hosts Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck breaking down a wild NFL Sunday marked by total blowouts (the Seahawks), abysmal collapses (Steelers, Giants, Jaguars), historic running back games (Jonathan Taylor, Jameer Gibbs), and classic fantasy football frustration. The show blends in-depth analysis, stats, fantasy takeaways, and the hosts’ trademark banter, covering all the major games and storylines. Notable themes include the Seahawks’ dominance, the Rams’ offensive innovation, Buffalo’s unraveling, and the emergence (and endangerment) of rookie QBs.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. The State of the Hosts’ Teams: Joy, Misery, and Apathy (00:00–03:14)

• DK’s Seahawks: Total dominance, “single best team in the NFL,” capable of boring blowouts that DK unapologetically enjoys.
  “Kicking everyone’s asses would be so much fun.” (01:15, DK)
• Craig’s Steelers: “Embarrassed themselves,” and the loss exposed deep flaws.
• Heifetz’s Giants: “Really might fire their coach tomorrow.”
• Fun debate about whether it’s actually enjoyable for your NFL team to win every week in boring blowouts or to thrive in last-minute drama.

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2. Steelers vs. Chargers: Neither Team Inspires Confidence (03:16–11:10)

Game Recap & Takeaways

• Both teams looked unimpressive—Chargers won 25–10 but neither is seen as a playoff contender.
• Steelers Offense: Inept, rarely crossed midfield, touchdown in garbage time.
  “They had the one big play to McConkey, but outside of that, I’m kind of like, neither of these teams are winning the Super Bowl.” (03:47, Craig)
• Calvin Austin Drops: Two dropped passes at pivotal moments, including a “volleyball set” that was basically an assisted INT.
• Steelers Receiving Core: Outside of DK Metcalf, nobody is reliably catching the ball.
• Offensive Line Issues: Roderick Jones “a liability to Rodgers’s health.”
• Final Mood: Game labeled “spiritually a shutout.”

Notable Quote

“Honestly, this was 25 to 3. It was kind of spiritually a shutout because the touchdown came when the game was over.” (08:29, Heifetz)

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3. Seattle Seahawks: Offensive Juggernaut, Defensive Force (13:19–18:10)

Blowing Out Their Opponents Weekly

• Seahawks put up 38 in the first half, third time in four weeks to score 31+ in the first half.
• Sam Darnold’s efficiency: 20% of early-down throws have gone for 20+ yards, drawing Peyton Manning comparisons in efficiency.
• Defense: DeMarcus Lawrence scored two touchdowns in one game.
• DK’s Perspective: Still cautious about declaring them the NFC’s best due to the Rams’ resurgence, but “one of the top teams.”

Notable Quotes

“It’s not really that common for teams to blow out other teams like this, especially multiple games in a row.” (14:40, DK)

“The Seahawks had the most points of any team this week. … The Seahawks are three of those four times this year.” (14:49, Heifetz)

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4. NFC Ascendant, Rams Innovate Again (18:10–25:33)

League Power Shift

• NFC perceived as deeper and stronger than the AFC for the first time in years.

Rams’ Offensive Reinvention

• Matt Stafford: 25 TDs, 2 INTs; fantasy’s #1 QB last four weeks—best statistical stretch of his career at age 37.
• Rams now run multiple tight end sets (13 personnel) on nearly half their plays, “best ever at it,” opposite of their old wide-open scheme.
• Stafford is “adaptable, tough, and playing the best football of his life.”

Notable Quotes

“Matt Stafford is better than Drew Brees.” (27:02, Craig)
“He’s the toughest guy in the league.” (28:22, DK)

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5. Jaguars Collapse: Trevor Lawrence Falls to Davis Mills (30:15–36:32)

• Jags Blew a Massive Lead: Up 20–3, ultimately lose to the Texans after giving up 26 4th-quarter points.
• Trevor Lawrence: Career record now 1–3 against Davis Mills (!)
• Field Goal Range Highlight: Cam Little's field goal range literally stretched to the 50, a television-graphic oddity.
• Lawrence’s Late-Game Blunders: Multiple sacks and a fumble/strip-sack that sealed defeat.

Notable Quotes

“If you had told me one of these QBs was drafted first overall with Peyton Manning expectations… Davis Mills has three wins against Trevor Lawrence.” (34:37, Heifetz)

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6. Dolphins Finally Dominate the Bills: A Proof of Concept (36:37–41:31)

• Miami destroys Buffalo 30–13, finally exorcising their recurring Bills demons ("1–14 in last 15 games before today").
• Firing GM Chris Grier cited as a possible culture change catalyst.
• Devon Achane: 22 carries, 174 yards, 2 TDs; run game “dominated.” Mike McDaniel credited for keeping team competitive.
• Bills defense and offense both flustered and out of sync, lacking game-changers or speed threats.

Notable Quotes

"Tua had a touchdown to Jalen Waddle that did not look like a punt. It actually looked like an airdropped throw.” (39:26, Heifetz)

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7. Jonathan Taylor’s Historic Performance; Running Back Mania (41:52–47:50)

Jonathan Taylor – The “Oppenheimer” of the Week

• 32 carries, 244 yards, 3 TDs, including an 83-yard record-breaking run for most rushing TDs in Colts history.
• Fifth game this season with 3+ touchdowns.
• “MVP conversation” emerges, though hosts lament that the MVP is a QB award by default.
• Taylor’s pace: “A guy hasn’t had 20 rushing TDs in a season in 20 years.”

Jameer Gibbs & Running Back Youth Movement

• Gibbs: 170+ yards, 3 TDs; compares statistically to Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith before age 24.
• Dan Campbell called offensive plays for the Lions—offense exploded, Jameson Williams emerged as field-tilting WR.

Notable Quotes

“He is doing the Saquon Barkley thing this year…but better.” (44:01, Danny Kelly)
“Jonathan Taylor doubled up the number one receiver in the week, and had a touchdown worth of points to spare.” (46:22, Heifetz)

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8. QB Health, Rookie Wars, and the Giants’ Meltdown (58:50–68:49)

Giants’ Disaster

• Jackson Dart, promising rookie QB, injured on designed run—hosts blame Coach Brian Daboll’s recklessness after weeks of warnings.
• Daboll “has no self-control,” risks QB health unnecessarily.
• Giants blow 10-point 4th quarter lead, worst 4th-quarter defense in NFL.
• Heifetz: “Brian Daboll is dead to the fanbase.”

Notable Quotes

“It is Brian Daboll’s fault…he has no sense of control. All of the goodwill is squandered.” (61:28, Heifetz)

“This was the most predictable thing. Why can we see it, but Daboll can’t see it?” (62:07, DK)

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9. Miscellaneous Segments

Mount Rushmore Running Back Intrigue (53:18–58:44)

• Travion Henderson finally has breakout fantasy day: 2 long TDs, 27 points.
• DK and Heifetz bask in “getting the last laugh” over Bill Simmons, who dropped Henderson.

“Fart or Shart” & Fantasy Conundrums (73:52–78:53)

• Bijan Robinson’s goal-line opportunities have evaporated, as Tyler Allgeier dominates red zone touches – “borderline Charbonnet territory.”
• DK: “It’s not a shart because Bijan’s too good, but it’s scary for the future.”

Derrick Henry – “Too Big to Succeed?” (81:38–83:41)

• Derrick Henry’s ineffectiveness on the goal-line: 17 attempts from the 1 in 3 years, only 1 yard gained total.

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10. Play of the Day & Memorable Moments

• Gus Johnson “Wow…Unbelievable” call for Indiana’s go-ahead TD:
  “He used way too much on wow. He held the wow for, like, way too long.” (91:09, Heifetz)
• Eric Collins “with the guts of a cat burglar!” (93:45): Frenzied play calls compared and celebrated.
• Celebrating announcers’ unbridled joy—calls for Gus Johnson and Eric Collins to get marquee games.

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11. Burn Book Entry: DJ Moore (106:52–108:03)

• Moore’s wild inconsistencies (7, 7, 10, 5, bye, 7, 7, 9 points… then 21… then 0) devastate fantasy owners.
• DK forced to shotgun a beer in penance for Moore.
• “He’s probably been a net negative.”

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp References

• “Kicking everyone’s asses would be so much fun.” (01:15, DK)
• “This was kind of spiritually a shutout.” (08:29, Heifetz)
• “Matt Stafford is better than Drew Brees.” (27:02, Craig)
• “He is doing the Saquon Barkley thing…but better.” (44:01, DK)
• “Brian Daboll is dead to the fanbase.” (61:28, Heifetz)
• “Derrick Henry is almost too big to get a yard.” (82:18, Craig)
• “He used way too much on wow. He held the wow for, like, way too long.” (91:09, Heifetz)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 03:14: State of hosts’ teams, blowout game discussion
• 03:16 – 13:10: Steelers-Chargers Recap
• 13:19 – 18:10: Seahawks dominance, Sam Darnold, NFC power
• 18:10 – 25:33: Rams offensive reinvention, NFC ascendance
• 30:15 – 36:32: Jaguars collapse, Trevor Lawrence criticism
• 36:37 – 41:31: Dolphins finally defeat Bills, AFC vs. NFC
• 41:52 – 47:50: Jonathan Taylor's 3 TD game, MVP conversation
• 58:50 – 68:49: Giants blow it, QB injuries, blame on Daboll
• 73:52 – 78:53: “Fart or Shart?” and the Bijan/Allgeier dilemma
• 81:38 – 83:41: Derrick Henry’s goal-line failings
• 91:00 – 94:28: Gus Johnson & Eric Collins: “Wow…Unbelievable”
• 106:52 – 108:03: DJ Moore enters the Burn Book

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Memorable Moments

• DK proudly claims he’d rather blow teams out every week and avoids “last second stress.”
• Craig calls out Derrick Henry for being “too big” to score from the 1-yard line, referencing stats.
• The pod celebrates legendary announcer Gus Johnson’s and Eric Collins’ energetic calls as an art form.
• Heifetz loses all faith in Brian Daboll after yet another reckless running attack sidelines their rookie QB.
• Fantasy “Fart or Shart” segment identifies red flags for 2025 RB rankings.

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Summary

This episode is rich with statistical nuggets, honest emotional breakdowns, and the distinctive wit of its hosts. It covers all the major Week 10 NFL and fantasy football narratives — blowouts, breakdowns, running back explosions, and coaching blunders — with a focus on what matters most to both fantasy managers and fans of actual football. Highly recommended for anyone who missed the Sunday action, wants to commiserate about fantasy heartbreak, or just loves strategic NFL talk wrapped in irreverent banter.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dan Heifex and I'm joined by Danny Kaling, Kirk Korbek, and we are going over all the games from Sunday of week 10. We are 10 weeks into the NFL season, and I think our show is uniquely suited. I. I don't think we've ever had such a big gap between our favorite teams on the show, Craig. Steelers just embarrassed themselves on Sunday Night Football. My team, very much. The Giants really might fire their coach tomorrow. And DK's team, the Seahawks, genuinely looks like the single best team in the NFL. So I think, you know, dk, I feel like we cover the whole range here.

[B]

Juggernaut, baby. Yeah. It's actually. It's fun to watch games that don't come down to the wire, I gotta tell you.

[C]

That is it. I feel like that was boring. It was like 28. 0 in the second quarter.

[A]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[C]

A little bit.

[B]

What are you talking about? I don't want to be stressed out. I have enough stress in my life.

[C]

Dk, serious question.

[B]

What's up?

[C]

Is it a more fun season if the Seahawks won every single game 35 to 0 all the way through the Super Bowl?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Or you risk winning a couple close games in the playoffs. 35. 0.

[B]

Kicking everyone's asses would be so much fun.

[C]

That's lame. That's lame.

[A]

That's sick.

[C]

That's lame.

[B]

Everyone would say that.

[A]

35.

[C]

You gotta. You gotta have love for the game. You gotta have love for competition.

[B]

Well, look, I've had enough close games in my lifetime. I know what they're like.

[A]

Yeah. I don't.

[B]

It's not like I need to remember.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like if somebody was like, what's your favorite regular season game of all time? You would not pick a game where they won by 40.

[A]

No.

[C]

False.

[B]

Well, I guess.

[A]

Pretty fun.

[C]

What's your favorite season?

[A]

The Giants beat the Vikings in the playoffs. No one remembers this, like, no, no, no, no, no.

[C]

Playoffs. Not talking about playoffs, but it was.

[A]

Like 40 to nothing.

[C]

Because that's different. Regular. If you're like, oh, what's the best Giants game you've ever watched in the regular season? You're not going to like, oh, they won a game 35. 0. Boring.

[A]

Because there's nothing.

[B]

I would disagree on that.

[C]

No, there's a couple. You want the last second touchdown. Those are the games that you remember.

[A]

Yeah, sure. Because there's not that many of them anyway.

[B]

I think I disagree.

[A]

We're Gonna get.

[C]

I think I just love ball more than you guys.

[B]

Yeah, like blowing people out. We're gonna.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You must have had an absolute ball watching Sunday Night Football at the Steelers, didn't you?

[C]

No, you took the wrong lesson. I like close games, not blowouts. So, no, I didn't enjoy this game.

[B]

Nobody likes getting blown out.

[C]

Although I, you know, the Chargers are my secondary team. So what's funny is, like, I feel like the first half of this game, both teams look like shit. I'm. I don't even think the Chargers look that. I mean, like, to be honest, what I took away from this game is like, neither of these teams are going.

[A]

To win this game. Was that horse thing like the television seasons, like Game of Thrones. It's like the really well drawn horse into the end, but it was like, backward.

[B]

I know.

[C]

I'm like, all right. The Chargers got. They could, like, run the ball in the second half. They had the one big play to McConkey, but outside of that, I'm kind of like, neither of these teams are winning the Super Bowl. The Steelers are definitely not winning the Super Bowl. And honestly, the Steelers just seem really easy to beat this game.

[B]

That's my three deep into the second quarter.

[A]

This was a baseball game.

[C]

It was.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm just like, for how much talent they have, they're pretty easy team to beat.

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[B]

Yup, yup, yup. I think there's a lot of issues with offense. The defense is, I mean, week in and week out, I don't know, I never know what to expect with this defense.

[C]

Well, they lost two corners tonight, right?

[B]

And they, I mean they started out decently well.

[A]

Hip drop Justin Herbert. And they didn't call it a hip drop, but Justin her big hip drop or sorry, Nate Herbic hip drop Justin Herbert, he was limping around. I, I, it's like the Chargers are healthy. Chargers are on backup tackles on both spots. I, I, I just, I, the, I thought that this Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator for the Chargers, this was like new school, old school. This was like horses beat cars in a race or something. Like this is the Chargers and defense coordinator throwing out every new version of defense. And like this is like the cutting edge of defense. And then Aaron Rodgers, on the other hand, who has played very well and still has it and still even tonight has throws where I'm like, man, he really is the best person.

[C]

He played terrible tonight.

[A]

He played terribly. What are you talking about?

[C]

He played terrible? No, I'm saying he still has, he's played all year.

[A]

I know. I'm saying he still has the arm, talent and everything. But his worldview of football, like the fourth and sixth play, the idea that like that basically the game is on.

[B]

The line and like checking into double coverage.

[A]

DK Metcalf, he's not Devonte Adams. Like, that's not DK Metcalf. Strength. There's no crossers. There's nothing. It's a one read. Fourth and six back and shoulder to DK Metcalf. Like that's what he's great at that also, the Chargers knew it was coming. It was in double coverage. I just, it's so predictable and it's what DK said for years about Russell Wilson or, sorry, the corpse of Russell Wilson Rogers. Just these like the living on the low percentage impossible stuff just is stupid.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I feel like the Steelers this year are trying to do like the check down high percentage stuff because they don't have the protection and that's all they're doing. But yeah, I hated that play. That was, I hate that play in General there's like two receivers in the league. I maybe be okay with that. It's like Drake London and yeah, I guess devonte Adams. It was horrible. I just. It's embarrassing that, that Chris Collinsworth is like, yeah. So the like here's how they beat the Steelers. They just like shifted a safety towards DK Metcalf and now they can't do anything. I'm like, what the fuck?

[B]

Yeah, well, it's simple little ship.

[A]

It's funny too how much that really does expose. Calvin Austin had two of the worst drops you'll see all year. One at the end of the half where Rogers wanted to set up a Hail Mary and it hit him in the hands. And then it really was the same play. Calvin Austin got hit in the hands again at the end of the fourth quarter and he really honestly that we joke about Mark Andrews. Calvin Austin had a volleyball set that looks like setting a pass up to a defender for reception. I thought I was surprised he didn't spike it. But then it's like Darnell Washington. Oh, it's like he's a tackle. It's cool. But then he like runs routes and you're like, oh yeah, he's like a tackle. Like no one can actually receive footballs other than DK mc.

[C]

How dare you go after Darnell Washington. I love him. He's great. I love him too. He's not. He's not top 10 on my shit list on the Steelers. Darnell Washington.

[A]

Where does Troy Fano rank now? Both tackles have individually hit Aaron Rodgers physically this year.

[C]

No. Roderick Jones is still milestone tackled him.

[A]

But Fado hit the ball out of Rogers hands and they got the safety like he's not the ball out.

[C]

But Roderick Jones is like actually like a liability to Rogers's health. Like he needs. That's why we have that six tackle that we squeeze in half the time. And why Darnell Washington's always next to him because he can't fucking block. So I hope he's not the team next year.

[A]

So Chargers won this game 25 to 10. I honestly, man, this was 25 to 3. Honestly to me, in my mind it was kind of spiritually a shutout because the touchdown came when the game was over. The field goal was a 59 yarder at that point. The Steelers crossed the 40 yard line once in the first three quarters.

[C]

It seems so simple now. You know, we look back on last week they beat the Colts, right? We're like, wow. But you, I feel like now it's like, oh, they did have Six turnovers. The Colts in that game. And they. And they technically only won.

[A]

And they also moved Jalen Ramsey to free safety. And the Colts didn't expect it. And the Steelers got to play that card. And they're like, oh, shit, we're out of cards.

[C]

Well, then they lost all their cards. So then they had to move Jalen Ramsey back to corner, which was too little, too late. I have one other takeaway from this game. They mentioned it. I wanted to talk to you guys about it, and I did a little research on it. Justin Herbert, our beloved Justin Herbert. The three of us love him. That man has more passes batted down than any tall quarterback I've ever seen in my life.

[A]

No. And I went, okay.

[C]

And I looked it up and it's correct. He leads the NFL in batted passes over the last five seasons. He's six.

[A]

Shout out. There was a reason for this shout out to Ron Yurko.

[C]

Is it because his arm angle's low?

[A]

I had a hunch on this. And shout out Ron Yurko at Pitt who actually assigned some of his students to work on this. I have a theory, and I think it is somewhat statistically proven by one student in Ron Yurko's class. I think most batted passes. It's like a bell curve or. No, the opposite. It's the opposite of a bell curve. It's dumbbells. It's short quarterbacks and tall quarterbacks, but the ones in the middle are less likely to it. The shorter quarterbacks obviously are short and so the balls are easy to hit down.

[C]

The taller quarterbacks, they're throwing down.

[A]

No, it's. They're so tall, it's easier for the defensive lineman to see where they're facing. So even though they're. In theory, the ball's harder to hit, but when they turn the defensive, they're so tall. The Trevor Lawrence's, the Just Herberts are. Are so tall that the. It's way easier for the lineman to see at the last second and just stick a hand up. So it's like if you're six two, six three, six four, you're fine. Was this six, five and up or six feet and down or six one and down is way easier to bet your best.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

I think that that's probably right. I mean, I don't know. But my anecdotal take on this is just. It feels like Herbert has a slightly elongated release and he has a low.

[C]

I think so too.

[B]

He has a low arm angle.

[C]

I think he does.

[A]

So I just.

[B]

I think it's just easier to block as well throws because you can kind of see it coming just a split second earlier than some other guys.

[C]

He's so tall. I almost think he thinks, oh, I don't need a. Like an over the top arm angle. I'm so tall, I can kind of sidearm it. But, dude, he gets more pad passes batted down than. Than any quarterback I've ever seen. And the numbers suggest that this was.

[B]

This was a very boring game.

[C]

Should we move on?

[A]

The most interesting thing was Jaylen Warren shirt ripping. So, yeah, we can just move on.

[B]

I just want to do one more observation in hyphens. You mentioned it. The hip drop tackle on Justin Herbert. I don't remember when it was like, third quarter and.

[C]

No, it was first half.

[B]

Oh, my bad. First half. I have probably done this rant before, so I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but I just. I have a bone to pick with the way that tv, like these stations, these broadcasts do their camera work when a. And I see this, like, 15 times a week. It happens all the time. When a player gets tackled awkwardly, he starts writhing on the ground. People start gathering around him. And then they cut to some other bullshit that no one wants to see. We want to see if this guy is hurt, especially if it's a fucking.

[A]

You want to see him riding on the ground?

[B]

No, I just need to know if he's. I don't need to see him in pain. I need to know if he's hurt. Like, I want to see him get up.

[C]

But you will know. You'll know.

[B]

No, but it just drives me nuts.

[A]

Don't DK the writhing NBC, you cowards.

[C]

No, you want to see Cam scatter. Boo's ankle turned 180 degrees.

[A]

Show me the ankle. Show me the tears.

[B]

You guys, come on. I've complained to this.

[A]

No, I know what you mean.

[B]

I. I've complained that about this to you guys before. You were on my side, so now I know you're just trolling.

[A]

I also do want to. I also have the same reaction where I'm like, why'd you cut from that? But it's.

[B]

But then they, like, go to commercial and you're sitting there for, like, three minutes trying to figure out if, like, the guy is hurt. I don't want to see, like, someone break their ankle. I just want to know if they're okay.

[A]

Well, they're cutting away. He's probably not okay.

[B]

No, they cut away every time. It drives me insane. Anyway, that's all I. You are not agreeing with me tonight.

[A]

I also feel that way, but I think the reason is because they're probably like, you don't want to see this.

[B]

Well, it's not. No, that's not why. It's because they want to show guys celebrating and. But I just want to see how the guy's doing, that's all.

[A]

The answer is usually poorly. Yeah. All right.

[B]

Well, anyway, he, he played the rest of the game.

[A]

Again, the, the gap between Craig's experience today, my experience today at DK's couldn't be larger. We go to winners and losers.

[C]

I know. DK's so cocky now. He's like, show me the guys whose ankles are bad.

[A]

Show me the fucking ankles.

[C]

I need to feel something. This game is boring. My team's up 30.

[A]

So easy.

[B]

I'm like doing laundry in the second half.

[C]

You literally texted us. I think I'm going to take a nap during the Seahawks game.

[B]

That's because for the second straight week, the Seahawks took a 28 to nothing lead in the first half, which is never fun.

[C]

Yeah, you could just. You could just take a nap for every day.

[B]

I love it. And you're never going to convince me otherwise. It's the best feeling to go kick someone's ass.

[C]

No, the pain. It's all about the pain.

[B]

Anyway, Seattle boat raced the Cardinals. They did end up making it very interesting. Or not very interesting. Somewhat interesting in the second half.

[A]

You were so nervous. I was embarrassed.

[B]

I wasn't that nervous. I just was annoyed that I'm like, you're up 30.

[A]

Calm down.

[B]

It's like, Jesus Christ, Darnold, stop. 30 freaking turning it over. All you have to do is hand it off.

[C]

You know why? You know why? That's a, I, I, I think that's fair. DK is because. Because Darnold has never proven it in the playoffs. Those moments, I feel like still linger in the back of your brain of like, oh, that's still within him. And that's going to come out when it matters the most.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like what we're going through with Danny Dimes right now, which we'll get to later. But, yeah, overall dominant win by the Seahawks. I was stupid for thinking this is going to be a close game. And I think I want to point out and acknowledge that it's not really that common for teams to blow out other teams like this, especially multiple games in a row.

[A]

The Seahawks, every week. That's so.

[B]

You have to appreciate it.

[C]

The Seahawks have been up the last three weeks. The Seahawks have been up 280 in the second, 280 in the second and 14. 0 in the first.

[A]

The Seahawks had the most points of any team this week. Midway through the second quarter, the Seahawks were up 35 to nothing. Eventually 38. They had 38 points in the first half. No team at 38 points this week at that point in time. I also want to note this is by the beginning of these games, a team had scored 31 points in the first half the season. Four times. The Seahawks are three of those four times this year.

[B]

So the Seahawks had two Passatos in the second half.

[A]

DK what do you make of the Seahawks team? Because the passing game, I don't know how you feel. I think it's like for basically the last month. Sam Darnold it's not, it's. It's like a. Like a hot knife through butter. I actually am genuinely surprised when Sam Donald's passes hit the ground. Like his completion percentage feels like it's like 94% over the last month. The defense is unbelievable. You feel like it's top tier with Houston but the difference is the Houston offense sucks. So the Houston defense is kind of playing for lack of a better term defense whereas the Seattle defense is kind of on offense all the time. They're just constantly like attacking and attacking.

[B]

They scored DeMarcus Lawrence scored two touchdowns today.

[A]

The same play happened twice. That was crazy.

[B]

He's the first play. Oh sorry. The second player ever to have two fumble return touchdowns in the season.

[A]

But the same guy forced the fumble each time which yeah, it was wild.

[B]

It did look like you were watching a replay and you're like oh my God, this is live.

[C]

Jackson, Smith and Jigba had like a game's worth of stats after the first two drives. It was like four catches, 82 yards touchdown. And then they thought he might have had a con concussion and it's like that. Well he's. He doesn't have to come back in. He has a whole games worth stats.

[A]

I was still watch because there were a couple games that were ending pretty interestingly like Texans, Jags, all these things. I was paying attention to that Craig just said L JSN in the chat and I was like start. He already had like 70 yards, 80 yards touch. I was like I didn't even know that game started yet. I lost track of time. I I want to read one more stat and then I have to ask DK question Austin pulled this I thought was amazing through 10 through the season so far 10 weeks when Sam Darnold throws in first or second down. A fifth of his throws have gained 20 plus yards on first or second down.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Which is the most in the NFL since 2000. In the True Media database, second on the list is Peyton Manning in 2004 when he threw 49 touchdown passes, which was the record at the time. So if you add that like the just what percentage 20 plus yard passes on early downs and you cross filter that with like 10 yards per attempt. It's just Kurt Warner from the Greatest show on Turf. Rams, which Super bowl winning MVP? Peyton Manning.04 MVP and Sam Darnold this year. That's the passing game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The defense is like the best in the NFL. Running game sucks. Dk, do you think the Seahawks are going to win the nfc?

[B]

I think they're going to win the nfc. No.

[A]

Do you think you're the best team in the nfc?

[B]

They have a good chance to. I think they're one of the top teams in the nfc.

[C]

Okay, but like, obviously.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm saying no, I don't think they're. I don't think they're going to the Super Bowl. No.

[A]

Do you think they're the best team in the NFC right now? The Seahawks?

[B]

No, I think the Rams are. And they play the Rams next week. Yeah, no, I'd say the Rams. They still need to catch the Rams.

[A]

So I.

[B]

And the, the Eagles play tomorrow and we'll see how they do.

[A]

I think we should go out of order right now because Craig, you had the Rams for Oppenheimer. But we have to do this. I think we have to do this now because between the Seahawks playing the Rams, the Lions play the Eagles in Sunday football. I, I mean, honestly, there's a larger question here also about whether just frankly, the NFC has retaken the throne from the afc. The NFC just seems like a better conference right now between watching the Lions play the Eagles and Packers Monday Night Football tbd. But between the Lions, the Rams and the Seahawks just absolutely throttling in the. Their, the late window. I kind of feel like after the AFC has been so much better for so long with like Lamar and Joe Burrow and Mahomes, obviously Josh Allen. Today I was like, I think the NFC is way better than the afc. Don't you feel that way, Craig?

[C]

It's certainly deeper. I mean the NFC north and the NFC West, I would say each have three teams that I think are playoff teams, like Packers, Lions, Bears, Seahawks, Rams, Niners. I think it's the deepest by far. And I mean, I still probably, I Guess I'm still picking the team with four losses in the Chiefs. I still think they're the best team in the league, but they're third. And I still think they're best. But no, I think there's, like, way less fraudulent teams in the NFC versus the afc, I guess is how I would put it. I think teams like Denver, I don't. I'm nervous about teams like the Colts. I'm nervous about fucking the Steelers. Yeah, right. The Bills, like, I'm incredibly nervous about the Chargers. I don't really trust. But there are so many more teams in the nfc.

[B]

Trust the Patriots.

[C]

Good. I think I kind of do a little.

[A]

Yeah, a little. I just. The coaching. You can't quantify the coaching impact of Rabel. But I get caught up. Patriots conversation now. I want to. Craig, I want to hear about the Rams. Just. I know we're going a little out of order here, but the Rams are so good.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, look, the Oppenheimer Award, if we have to give one, it would go to Jonathan Taylor. But if we're going to talk about the Rams right now, I do want to point out what Matt Stafford's doing, and I think he deserves. He's the quarterback. Oppenheimer of the day. Matt Stafford has 25 touchdowns. Yeah. Of the month. Yeah, exactly. He is the number one quarterback in fantasy over the last four weeks, which is crazy. Like, that is not what you think about with Matt's.

[B]

You can't move.

[C]

Yes. To me, it's like you basically. To not be a running quarterback and to play well in fantasy is so fucking hard. You basically have to be perfect. And that is what Stafford's been. He's averaging. This guy's 37 years old. He's basically statistically having the best season of his career, of his entire career. He's averaging 21 fantasy points per game, which is the best of his career. He's averaged 27 points per game over the last month, 25 touchdowns, two picks. He's on pace for. I mean, technically, he's on pace for 47 touchdowns and four interceptions.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it just feels like him and McVay feel more connected than any coach quarterback combo in the league. The Rams front office does such a good job of bringing in wide receivers that work with Matt Stafford specifically. Like, I feel like sometimes it's like, oh, like DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers make no fucking sense. But it's like Devonte Adams is the perfect fit for what Matt Stafford does, and they do a really good job of like actually of, you know, poke poaching people for chemistry and that's why they're doing so well.

[A]

I think Devonte was a per. Like the perfect addition. Just man coverage. Pookin zone. Devonte, man. I also want to shout another stat Austin sent my way that was amazing about the Rams. That was. This was really informative. So basically the same way we've talked so much about how Sean McVay does like all this 11 personnel stuff, which is. I hate the term 11 personnel.

[B]

That was a while ago.

[A]

Three receiver sets. But the idea like, like literally, literally the rams would run 98% of their formations were the same people on the field. Which the idea is just like Greg Maddox pitching, where it's like every pitch looks the same every as long as possible. It's the same thing in Football where Sean McVeigh wants every play to look the same as long as possible. And you. The best way is. Wow. If Robert woods and Cooper cup can block kind of like tight ends, you can run all your tight end stuff out of these three receiver sets but still have a passing game. But you can also still run without compromising any three receiver sets. So everything can look the same.

[B]

They're doing different concepts out of the same formations and personnel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the defense never knows what's coming.

[A]

And it's kind of like if Greg Maddox is curveball, he throws it the exact same like motion and the same as his fastball. So anyway, Austin sent me this thing this week. The Rams ran three tight ends on the field at the same time. 60% of the goddamn game the Rams have ran. The Rams went from running three tight ends on the field at the same time, one out of every 200 plays. Even last year was one out of every 200 plays.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Nobody plays 13 personnel hard this year.

[A]

This like the last month. The Rams have done that half the time. Not really 40% but.

[B]

But basically that's with Higby Parkinson and.

[C]

Oh, but when the Steelers do it, it's lame.

[A]

Yeah. Because it doesn't work.

[B]

Here's the deal. It works really well when the Rams do it.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I understand the success rate on 3. First I saw this, I think Jordan Rodriguez posted this. Their success rate on 13 personnel this week was like 70 or 65% or something like that.

[A]

The best ever. The Rams are literally, basically. They're basically have become the best team ever running 310 sets. And they're doing it in part because of necessity. I mean, Devonte Adams shoved his face. He like ran in face first. Into a camera catching a touchdown. I don't know if they had to play more of it, but the Rams have been running 40, 45 ish percent 3 tight end sets the last month. And this is fascinating. I don't want to overextend my knowledge and how much X's and O's I like, but I really do think that the simplest way to look at this is the three receiver stuff with McVay was what if we could do our major in passing stuff, but we could still have a totally legit running game in a pass formation. And now the NFL, I mean, it's been 10 years, really, the NFL's come all the way around where McVay is like, we're going to actually be able to pass out of these run formations to the point where this is part and part. This is essential to the question of how does Matt Stafford have 20 touchdowns and no picks in the last four weeks? It's because everything they do, every other play is a run formation and it's perfectly designed. And there's no right answer, by the way.

[B]

They also have the 4th best run success rate in the NFL.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

In addition to Matt Stafford is he's like, he has 20 straight touchdowns without a pick. 20 touchdowns and zero picks since week four. And by the way, they're also one of the best run teams in the NFL.

[C]

The best coaches adapt. It's like the opposite of what the Steelers are doing defensively and like the fact that McVeigh, like ushered in a whole new era of offense and then has essentially just like pivoted completely away from that and is just doing something new. It's like I. It's like fashion. Honestly, it's.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

When you're 30 years old, you kind of just wear what you wear for the rest of your life and you stop keeping up with the trends. And McVeigh is like, no, every five years, like, I'm going to, I'm going to change and I'm going to be wearing different stuff. And then by the time he's 60, he'll be the coolest guy ever because he'll be, you know, he'll be Paul Newman by then. Instead, all the other dads are out there wearing, you know, I guess my dad wearing champion in 1992 has now come back around. But broken clock is right twice a day. But yeah, McVeigh is just like, his willingness to adapt and grow is really impressive.

[B]

They've gone from being super wide zone heavy to doing duo. Now they're doing all kinds of different stuff. And it's like every year they're just giving defenses more problems to solve and it just keeps them on their heels constantly. They have the great, they have a great quarterback that can run all the stuff that he wants to run, which is also. It's like that's why the relationship between the quarterback and the coachers is so important.

[C]

We don't, we don't talk enough about his. No look. Shit.

[B]

I know, right? Yeah, we don't give him enough credit.

[C]

Honestly. Once a week he will legitimately throw like a 30 yard post without looking right. Like these aren't dumps into tight windows too. He is looking to the flat throwing across his body. Eyes don't move. The 30 yard post right in his hands.

[B]

Yeah, it's insane.

[A]

DK, where does stat Craig. Craig always jokes that our grandkids will pull up Derek Carr stats and be like, oh, it looks like Mahomes.

[B]

But right.

[A]

Where does Stafford rank? Because I think it's changed a lot even in the last four or five years. Well, obviously super bowl, but even since then, where does Stafford rank? It just like best quarterbacks you've seen with your own two eyes. That's.

[B]

I mean that's a really hard question. But he's up there. He's in the elite class.

[A]

I asked this because even when I started work at the ringer, I remember Kevin Clark had this piece like 2017 or something where the idea was players like Matt Stafford in this passing era are going to like there's Matt Ryan is a better example now is. Is someone's going to be like really high in yardage. Yeah, yeah, but who cares? Because the yardage leader used to be like Brett Favre and Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Great players. And then it's like is Matt Ryan. Was he going to be top 7 in yards? What does that mean? And one of the examples was Matt Stafford because Matt Stafford was not perceived as a capital G. Great quarterback. And then now in his late 30s to Craig's point, we don't talk about enough. Matt Stafford is like one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen. I Drew Brees was incredible and Drew Brees had his pocket manipulation and the offense was amazing.

[C]

Stafford's better.

[A]

Stafford's way better than Drew Brees. Like the overall like conductor ness of it was cool with Drew Brees. But you watch Stafford on a week to week basis, it's flawless at times.

[B]

He, he's like a power thrower and also a touch thrower and also he can just do everything Basically he can't.

[C]

Move, which is fine, but it's almost more impressive what he's doing.

[A]

Yeah, he's not great.

[B]

He's cool. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he's always been one of the most impressive, like thrower of the football. Throwers of the football. But now when you add in the touch, the no, look, the different offenses that they're running, you know, the clutch stuff. Now he has a Super Bowl. I don't know what else you're asking for to. Other than to. To not think he's great.

[A]

Like, you know, they had a trailer in the parking lot for his back.

[B]

Cloned his ass. They like Brady got ahead of this. They cloned his ass.

[C]

Oh, my God, you're right. That's what I was going to say. Hi. It's. I'm like, it's not as though he's missed. Like, he's kind of the opposite of Brady in that Brady aged so gracefully because he's like always healthy, obsessive about his health. I'm sure Stafford is obsessive about his health. But like this poor guy, every single season is like, is his spine going to hold up? I don't know. And he. And then he just shows up.

[B]

Well, that's quarterback of the league, Craig. That's the other thing that you, I think, need to appreciate about him and people maybe don't do that, is that he's really tough. Like he gets.

[A]

He's. He's the toughest guy in the league.

[B]

The kicked out of him and he still just plays almost like all the time. It's crazy.

[A]

Craig, you guys are both sorry, but Tom Brady is that old person who turns 100 years old and they're like, don't smoke, don't drink, pay your bills. And then Stafford's the one. It's like two whiskeys, one at night, one in the morning. Cigarettes in between.

[C]

Bacon and a Coca Cola to start my day every day.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Feel great.

[A]

Oh, my God. All right. That was Seahawks. Rams, actually. Incredible.

[B]

Next week. Yeah.

[A]

That's going to be amazing game. Yeah.

[C]

The DK right now. What do you think the spread's going to be in that game? Let's do guess the lines. Seahawks, Ramsay. It's in la.

[B]

That's a good question, man.

[C]

I'll look it up right now, but I won't.

[B]

Rams minus three.

[A]

I'm sure it's a pick em. Just switch to home spread. I'm sure it's just two.

[C]

I think it'll be. I don't think it's gonna Be three. I think it's gonna be Rams by one and a half.

[A]

It'll be two and a half. The reset, the Rams are home.

[C]

Two and a half.

[A]

It'll be Rams two and a half. I'm telling you.

[C]

Let's see.

[A]

Six are good because they're even. Like it's.

[C]

Let's see. So wait, DK says three. You say two and a half. I say one and a half. We should do this every week.

[B]

This is fun.

[C]

This is actually really good.

[B]

Austin says it's two and a half. Ah, Rams minus two and a half. Real quick though, before we move on is like, I'm a little worried both the Seahawks and the Rams are peaking too early. You ever think about that?

[A]

Yeah. The difference that they really get to this.

[C]

You just need to stay healthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Health is obvious, but also the Seahawks can't run, which is funny.

[B]

Like, well, they ran well today, but yeah, generally speaking, they've been bad.

[A]

The, the Rams thing, I think the health certainly because devonte again is back hurt or whatever. Yeah, the health is obvious. But it's just. It's funny that you guys can't run when you dependent on Darnold. It's a funny little wrinkle. But yeah, you did run.

[B]

What could go wrong?

[A]

We have to get to the losers though, in the afc. Craig. I think there was. There's a lot of losers today, but there was one that was probably a little more high profile that we had expectations for. My.

[C]

My loser of the day is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who lost 29 to 36 to the Houston Texans and Davis Mills. The Texans were outscored.

[B]

He says the small number first.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Is this the first time you've watched football?

[C]

Sorry. Isn't it all football? Right?

[A]

Why is it.

[C]

Is it just football?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

It is.

[B]

I think it's all sports. It's just funny that you said that way.

[C]

I. I want to emphasize that they lost and give them the lower number first.

[A]

Small number first.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The Texans outscored the Jags 26 to 0 in the fourth quarter.

[A]

I think that's so much worse than the Broncos.

[B]

The Giants are like, thank you.

[A]

I literally, yeah, it was the only.

[C]

Good thing that happened to me with, with Davis Mills. This game started with the worst interception you've ever seen by Davis Mills. The Jags are up 20 to 3 in this game. The Jags got a punt return touchdown in this game.

[A]

The jags went up 17 nothing, even though their offense at that point in the game had 45 yards.

[C]

The final drive of this game. Davis Mills got the ball on his own 7 yard line and marched 93 yards down the field, scored a touchdown with 30 seconds.

[B]

14 yard run too.

[C]

14 yard run to, to win the game. And then Trevor Lawrence gets the ball back. He, he, they have 30 seconds left.

[B]

They have the kicker that can kick it at 75 yards.

[C]

Cam Little Lawrence has an act, a great scramble that gets them out of bounds at their own, on their own 45 yard line. So 55 yards away from the end zone. There's 13 seconds left. So right there and then that's a 72 yard field goal which is like, I mean Cam little's hit a 70 yarder. So I mean in theory you could just like throw the ball away twice and he could even try that. And instead they get an illegal hands to the face and then a strip sack touchdown to close the fucking game.

[A]

I mean, that was the worst play of the day. That was the worst play of the year. Maybe just in terms of someone's stock coming down. Well, I, I said on the Friday show, I was like, I want to see if Trevor Lawrence can just not do anything stupid. It was all I wanted from him. But I, I watching this game, it's.

[B]

Way too much to ask.

[A]

What? Are you kidding? I just, it was unbelievable.

[C]

Come on, dude. They lost. 2936.

[B]

Baby steps.

[A]

2936. I will say this game is going to stick in my mind way longer than I wanted to. 29:36.

[C]

I don't know why I did that.

[B]

It's really funny.

[A]

29:36 will do it for now on. The Chiefs won the Super Bowl 10 to 41. I know, it's just funny.

[B]

The.

[A]

Here's the thing with this Jags game. I don't know if you guys saw this. It were hit you in the chest the way it did me. The field that marker, which is a good innovation from CBS and all the networks of the. Where the field goal like the field goal range is. Yeah, that was at the 50 today for the Jags. Yeah. Which just knocked me sideways. Like to see the field goal ranges at the 50. And I literally this occurred to me and I was like, I would argue objectively, Trevor Lawrence's job to get in the field go range was easier than anyone who's ever played football at any level. It has never been easier. Field goal rage. You don't have to get to the other team's territory. The neutral yard line is fine.

[B]

And he. It was at the fifth. So isn't it you had 17 yards or is it.

[A]

Yes, 17.

[C]

17.

[B]

They marked it even that like, even midfield is like. I mean you could maybe kick it back.

[A]

He made it yards. Yeah. 49 is fine. 48 at the end of the half. He it up on the final drive, obviously. But even the drive before the final drive, he screwed that like they. The kick. This was forgotten. But Basel Tutin returned the kick to like the. The 40 or something. The 45. They needed like six yards or they need like eight yards off the kick.

[B]

Return and they had 30 seconds.

[A]

I. I was not happening.

[C]

It's not going to happen.

[A]

I know the Texans defense is good.

[B]

Trevor Lawrence.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But they needed to get to the 50 like halfway there anyway.

[C]

Just they've lost three of their last four games and their only win is against the Raiders by one in overtime. And they probably should have lost that game.

[A]

I mean, dk, if I had told you and you came out of a cryo sleep like Austin Powers, I said one of these quarterbacks is drafted first overall with like Peyton Manning esque expectations.

[B]

My God.

[C]

Wait, wait. Dk, you have to read the stat about Trevor Lawrence and Davis Mills. It blew my mind.

[B]

I saw this. I can't take credit for it, but Trevor Lawrence in his career now is one in three against Davis Mills.

[C]

I say that again.

[B]

I think started like stop total games.

[A]

That's sick.

[B]

I did, to be honest with you. I didn't vet it. I just saw it and I'm like, I'm using it. I'm pretty sure it's real.

[C]

Davis Mills has five wins in his career.

[A]

No.

[C]

Okay. That's according to pro football referee. He has 4, 5 wins in his career. Three of them are against Trevor Lawrence.

[A]

I'm gonna look this up right now.

[C]

I guess maybe I gotta make sure that maybe it's six.

[A]

Oh my. Oh my God. It's true.

[B]

Jacksonville. Jacksonville. It's true. And then today, Jacksonville.

[A]

Well, he certainly has three wins against the Jaguars. Oh my God. I think this is true. It's. Yes, it's true. Oh my God. Yeah. He's 3 and 1 against the Jaguars.

[C]

Today was his sixth win as a starting quarterback.

[A]

We don't have to spend too much more time on this. I will just shout out. Daniel Hunter was unbelievable for the Texans. He had three and a half sacks. He's a monster. Nico Collins was actually pretty great as well.

[C]

He was.

[A]

And Derek Stingley.

[C]

Nico's been grinding this year.

[A]

Nico has been grinding. He was great.

[C]

Nico is just like walking uphill to and from work.

[A]

I just want to shout out Derek Stingley, who quietly had two different shoestring tackles, one on ETN and one in Jacoby Myers, that totally. Either one would have totally ended the game. And he actually kind of saved on Friday.

[B]

Weren't we talking about maybe betting the Jags? Cause it was, like, embarrassing that they.

[C]

Were like, nope, I'm not betting Driver.

[B]

Lawrence halfway through this game, I was like, sorry, guys. I feel bad. I talked us out of this. Now I don't feel bad at all.

[A]

Thanks, dk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I want to get another winner. I have here. I want to shout out to Mike McDaniel and the dolphins, who we, especially I make fun of relentlessly and have mocked and just really just paraded around their failures for a long time. And they did great, and they kind of kicked the shit out of the Bills today, and they deserve a win. And I want to. Frankly, this obviously means nothing in terms of the playoffs or whatever, but the Dolphins fired Chris Greer, the gm, who's frankly done a terrible job and deserved it. And I am really impressed that. Well, I'm saying I'm impressed that Mike McDaniel kept this team around and they didn't quit. And not only has the Dolphins not quit, they looked way better. And, like, they were trying harder than the Bills. Not trying harder, but, like, they were just a way more cohesive team on all fives were great, all three phases. I mean, Miami's last 15 games versus Buffalo, they were 1 in 14, and then they came out and they beat the Bills today. What was the final scores? 30 to 13.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, this is as good of proof of concept as you can absolutely ask for in terms of firing the GM and keeping the head coach because you believe in him. They go out and do something they've, like, not done in years, which is, you know, dominate the Bills. And the things that. I think also the things that you like about McDaniel were definitely apparent in this game. Tua was pretty sharp. You know, he didn't, like, pass for a ton of yards, get a couple picks, but overall, he had a really nice touchdown throw to waddle. And then also the run game was, like, incredible with Achan. Achan rushed for 2, 174 yards on 22 carries. He also had 51 yards on receptions. And, I don't know, like, it just this. The proof of concept was there in terms of this is what the offense that we expect for the. For the Dolphins. And he had the team up and excited to play, and the vibes were good, and that's all against a team that's absolutely just fucking dominated you for years.

[A]

It all seemed like it was. The game could not have started more like, oh, here we go again, Miami to, to Buffalo. The game started with a false start that Mike McDaniel got so mad about that he called a timeout to argue.

[B]

With the refs before they called the timeout. With 15 minutes on the clock in the first.

[A]

I don't know, I, I tried to search this. I couldn't figure out how.

[B]

I'm sure it's never happened.

[A]

I know a, a penalty and a timeout use before any clock is run off the game.

[B]

That's got to be the first time ever.

[A]

Very short list. I couldn't believe that.

[B]

And then guess what other reason would you have to call time out before the game starts?

[A]

Two plays later, two throws, a pick. So three plays into the game they had a penalty, a timeout and a turnover. And it was stupid looking turnover too. And I was like, oh well, this is why I always say the Bills can't, the Dolphins can't beat the Bills. And then guess what? They totally shut down the Bills on offense. They. The bill's first five drives is basically 3.3an ounce and a turnover, a fumble and a pick. And then Tua had a touchdown to Jalen Waddle. That did not look like it was a punt. It actually looked like an actual airdropped throw.

[B]

A perfect.

[A]

Yeah, Devon HN. It was 22 carries, 174 yards, two rushing touchdowns, 40 fantasy points. He sealed the game in like a big boy running back way. Like kind of two different times. He was the top three running back on the day. On a day of big running backs. But the Bills also looked. This was really also concerning for the Bills, I think. Really concerning if you, for the Bills fans think they're a Super bowl contender. This is why I'm kind of out on the afc. We don't have to go all into the Bill's trials and tribulations, but they can't really stop the run, especially to the perimeter. But the offense, they kind of can't be in this passing only situation. It's like I feel like even three or four years ago it was the Bills can pass, but they can't run. It's a total role reversal. Like you really felt the absence of a digs, the even the absence of, I don't want to say hell, Gabe Davis, but it's like you really can feel like Dalton, KK goes out of the hamstring. You're like, oh my God, it's kalushakira. Like no one can get open after.

[B]

You don't have any fast guys. There's no speed, speed element, lid lifter. I saw. I mean, you know, Bill's fans were kind of melting down a little bit online today because of this loss. And I think part of it is the hubris of Brandon Bean, who is their GM and was like getting in the media and telling them to shut the fuck up because we have the highest scoring offense, even though everybody wanted them to go get another receiver in the free agency and all that stuff. And at the trade deadline. And it feels like hubris a little bit from his point of view that that made them. That that kept from them from making any move at this trade deadline. So Bill's fans are.

[A]

Yeah, because he really talked out. I was like, yeah, these new GMs, like to make trades and they're like, yeah, because they're not afraid. It was weird. But yeah, the Bills, they just. It just, I guess the best way could put it, you know, Josh Allen can throw a football like 70 yards. When's the last time you saw him.

[B]

Do that over them, their mountains?

[A]

Yeah, like, he doesn't like Josh. It's kind of like what happened to my homes a few years ago. Like, he just doesn't throw. It's like Stafford, all these guys are throwing downfield. Again, not Josh Allen.

[C]

So now I feel like this game confirmed that Mike McDaniel and two are going to be back next year for the Dolphins.

[A]

I don't know about. Yeah. I put it this way. If Mike McDaniel's fired, I'd take him over Brian D. Which I think is kind of the point. Should we get to the Giant? Should we get to John Taylor? Shoot to the Giants. What do you want?

[C]

I feel like John Taylor had a better day than the Giants. So we should do John Taylor.

[A]

You think?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Out of respect. All right. Oppenheimer. John Taylor just is Oppenheimer. We're going to name this like the Robert J. John. Robert. John Taylor award or whatever for the player who went nuclear. Jonathan Taylor, in this Germany game this morning against the Colts, against the Falcons. It's funny that we were like, oh, well, MVPs, you know, can't go to a running back because the running back's not the reason they won the game. Jonathan Taylor won this goddamn game for the Colts.

[B]

This crazy. Might be the MVP.

[C]

31 to 25 year for him to win the MVP because it feels like there's no kind of like front runner in Terms of like the tried and true number one overall seed Mahomes Allen. Like it's probably not going to be either of them. It could be Taylor.

[A]

It's funny because it's.

[C]

It won't be, but it could be.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'll go through the numbers. Well, the MVP thing's funny because I was thinking about this a lot. Running back should never be MVP because valuable Matt Stafford, 20 touchdowns, no picks, 25 touchdowns, two picks of the season is more valuable. But I feel like we're a little up because there's no criteria for the award mvp. And I feel like we're a little up by this now we have it a little force for the trees. The, the term value happens to have been completely redefined in the last 25 years to be like value to the sport. I feel like before we were born, Craig, what it was supposed to mean was who had the best year, best.

[C]

Season, 100% and like John Taylor's having.

[A]

The best year but he's not the most valuable player. And we almost need a different award. That's for who had the best season.

[C]

I know whoever. Whenever the, the term MVP was was invented it's a bummer that they, they happened to land on those three words because unfortunately the word value has just everything up. If the just like yes. Best season, best performer, best year. So many more players would probably win it than just how we got to give it to a quarterback.

[A]

And they have offensive player of the year. Yeah, but it's a little flaccid.

[B]

It's like a run around secondary award big time.

[A]

It's not, it's not. Yeah, so it's. We almost. Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

Wait, hold on real quick. Is. He had. If you didn't see. He had 32 carries for 244 yards. He had his fifth three touchdown game of the year.

[C]

10 weeks, 10 games. 10 games.

[A]

Half of the weeks he's had three touchdowns.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

Which is a lot.

[B]

He is doing the Saquon Barkley this year. I mean he had an 80 something yard touchdown again today which is like better, slightly better than his 80 something yard touchdown last week. He's just doing this thing where I mean it just reminds me so much of what Saquon was doing last year where it's just kept like breaking open these massive huge rush.

[A]

But the difference is that the Colts huge touchdowns. Saquon went to the Eagles. We knew the Eagles had the best offensive line in the NFL but we went to the Colts. We were like the Colts offensive line was a massive question mark in multiple, multiple spots. Outside of like even the left tackle Bernard Raymond, even like Quentin Nelson. There were like some questions I the.

[B]

Whole like the second time in two weeks that Jonathan Taylor has just been like emerged from of the scrum to run 80 yards for a touchdown. It's not like he's running through wide open lanes.

[A]

Had the walk off touchdown in overtime. He ended the game. But also just, I mean the numbers are unbelievable. 286 yards from every, every week. By the way, it's like this. Every touchdown is different. 286 yards from scrimmage total. He had the most rushing yards, obviously the most rushing yards of any running back this season. Like in this game. 244 rushing yards was the most of any running back this season. His longest rush of his career was today which was an 83 yard rushing touchdown. That was also the touchdown that broke the record for most rushing touchdowns in the history of the Colts, which is breaking a record held by Edwin James. And he did that with the longest rushing touchdown of his career. And he did 48 fantasy points.

[C]

And he did it in 10 games.

[A]

He did it in 10.

[C]

Like he, he has 17 touchdowns in 10 games.

[A]

And again a guy hasn't had 20 rushing touchdowns in a season in 20 years.

[B]

I saw, I saw this from Dwayne McFarland.

[C]

Steelers kind of bottled him up last week. 45 yards scoreless. That's crazy.

[B]

For context, Jonathan Taylor and PVR, he's averaging 27.4 points per game this year. According to Dwayne McFarland, this is the second best fantasy football season for a running back, receiver or tight end since 2011. So he's up there with like the Christian McCaffrey, Todd Gurley, Le'Veon Bell, Cooper cup, all time fantasy seasons. I guess that's obvious, but it's pretty crazy what he's doing this year.

[C]

I spent $650 on him in the Guillotine League. I'm in with Bill in week three or four. Yeah, he, I am like he is dragging me to the promised land.

[B]

He has three touchdowns every other week.

[C]

He got me 49 points today. I don't even need any other players.

[A]

The best way put it is that in the same game Drake London with the Falcons played, Drake London had 21 points and half PPR. He was the number one receiver in the week. Jonathan Taylor healthily had more than double as many points as Drake London, like Jonathan Taylor doubled up the number one receiver in the week and had like A touchdown worth of points to spare. So that's a lot.

[C]

It's one of the better fantasy. Like I, I even think, you know, the McCaffrey year, the Girly year, those guys were first round picks. Like the fact that Jonathan Taylor was just kind of like a throwaway selection in the third round of drafts this year. I don't know. I guess Cooper cup was kind of like that.

[A]

Maybe he was like that. McCaffrey was the second, Gurley was the first, McCaffrey was the second.

[C]

Taylor was like just completely off the radar. No, it was like, I guess I'll take Jonathan Taylor.

[B]

Yeah, he was almost like he was a, he was a pick where you're.

[A]

Like, I have him in the ring of fantasy league. And I.

[B]

Who did you take ahead of him?

[A]

I'm just smarter than you guys. I took him first. Yeah, no, no, I just, I literally, I, I was joking. Like, I literally took Jalen Hurts, then I got McCaffrey. I was between Chase Brown and John Taylor and I was like, ah, John Taylor's boring. Chase Brown's cool. I took Chase, John Taylor came back.

[B]

I don't even want to know who I picked.

[A]

And it was, but that was the joke. I literally was like, oh, I think I have a fiduciary duty to take Jonathan Taylor. And it just, that's how it works, man. And that was, that ends up.

[B]

I mean, I didn't know he was going to score three touchdowns a game.

[A]

If I had known, I would have taken him earlier.

[C]

We'll be better next year. We'll figure that out next.

[A]

We're going to work on it. Jameer Gibbs, also, it's funny too, because Jameer gives like 40 points today. And like he's not even Oppenheimer.

[C]

Like 200 yards.

[A]

Casually had 170 yards and three touchdowns. But, you know, come on.

[B]

Jameer Gibbs, real quick, lingering on that, I saw somebody posted the first three seasons of their careers, Jameer Gibbs and Barry Sanders, and the numbers are strikingly similar. It's fucking crazy. So Jameer Gibbs is a very good player, obviously. But I think the big story here was for the Lions, Dan Campbell took over play calling. So now I can officially no longer feel bad about forgetting John Morton's name. Every time we were talking about the Lions this off season and most of the regular season, he, he basically, I don't know if this is going to be something that happens the rest of the season. If he's like taking over for good or he just wanted to provide a spark. One game he was Pretty wishy washy about it in the presser. I think he was just trying to do that out of respect to John Morton and he is in fact going to keep calling plays, especially because they just kick the shit out of the commanders. But yeah, Dan Campbell called a brilliant game. Honestly, it started out, I think on the first drive there was a angle route out of the backfield for Gibbs. This is coming off of Gibbs worst game. Maybe as a pro, maybe not as a pro, but like his worst came in a long time last week against the Vikings where he only had a few touches. He was really ineffective this week. 36, 36 half PBR points, 15 carries, 142 yards and three touchdowns. He also had three catches for 30 yards and score. Did I get that right? He had three scores on the ground. Maybe I wrote that down wrong.

[A]

I think he had two on the ground, one, two in the air.

[B]

He had three total touchdowns. And then also importantly, and this is something the Lions have been talking about all season trying to do. Jameson Williams came alive in this game and I think that's huge for their offense because he is that explosive field tilting guy that can open up everything else. Because if you have to fear Jameson Williams, it totally changes the geometry of how you play defense. So Jameson Williams, six catches, 119 yards and score. He's so fast.

[A]

Dan Campbell figured out in the middle of this game that Jameson Williams was so much faster than everyone on Washington that he just called the same six times at 12 play stretch for James Williams scored.

[B]

They score points on their first eight possessions.

[A]

And that was that Gibbs, Jir Gibbs. I mean first of all, they kept flashing between John Taylor and Gibbs. They just kept flashing these graphics that even. But like I think the networks do a good job of having. Here's this player since then. I was like. But the Gibbs ones were. I mean most touchdowns by a player before turning 24. Like Jir Gibbs passed Rob Gronkowski today. Really player touchdowns for 20. It was like him and like Maurice Jones drew the other one. That this one is just unbelievable. I. Oh, I don't have the exact list in front of me. I have. I'm pretty sure this is correct. But the list play of players. Jameer Gibbs passed running backs. Jameer Gibbs passed in terms of touchdowns for 24. It was literally. It was Marshall. Sorry. It was Emmett Smith who is the most rushing yards ever. It was Barry Sanders and it was Jim Brown who's like considered the best running back. It was Jameer Gibbs and then Marshall Falk and I'm like, that's just like inner circle running back, hall of Famers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like special. Special player, arguable Mount Rushmore running backs. And it was just Jameer Gibbs. And it actually changed the way I thought of him because he's been so good for so long. I was like, this motherfucker's not 24. I just. I don't. I. Yeah, it was pretty cool. That's all.

[B]

Anyway, can I just break the fourth wall here and say hi, Fitz just cut out for a second. Craig, did you see that too?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, no. You haven't heard anything.

[B]

He comes back and he goes, this motherfucker's 24.

[C]

I was like this close to being like, oh, he cut out. And then you just came back. This motherfucker's 24.

[A]

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[C]

Speaking of Mount Rushmore running backs, it's time to get to it. So over. We're so back.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I know where this is going.

[A]

This is a big day.

[C]

We're so back. Travion Henderson, people.

[B]

Hell yes.

[C]

We did it. We fucking did it. It took 10 weeks, but we did it. I started him every week and it was worth it.

[B]

Two house calls today, baby.

[C]

Two house calls. 27. Speaking of guys who are just faster than everybody else on the field.

[B]

Yeah, seriously.

[C]

So the funny thing about this. This game was a real roller coaster for Travy on Henderson fantasy managers. So the game. The game begins. Terrell Jennings has the first four carries of the game. And I'm like, great.

[B]

Craig's spiraling.

[A]

It's so over. It's never been more over.

[C]

Literally, I was like, this Rabel hates this guy.

[B]

But you started him, right?

[C]

I did start him.

[B]

Okay, thank you.

[C]

Start him in two leagues and then he starts to get mixed in. And he's honestly having, like, a pretty mediocre game. He's basically just getting stuffed up the middle every single time. And then he has the 59 yard touchdown. I'm like, basically running around my apartment with glee that, like, he finally fucking did something. And maybe this will get Mike Vrabel to, like, trust him or whatever. Then he kind of goes back to really not doing much. And then he gets injured, right? He has this like, weird hyperextension knee thing. Looked bad. He was holding his knee and I was like, cool. He literally scores. I waited 10 weeks for one touchdown and now he's out for the first.

[A]

Remember when I texted you when you said, hit Henderson's hurt?

[C]

I was like, oh, God, no, Shut your mouth. And then, of course, you know, he comes back and then has the game ceiling 70 yard touchdown in which, you know, he does the whole like, should I score or do I? Do I?

[B]

He looked at the bench for a very.

[A]

That was crazy. He's just like, yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I thought that was like, very awesome. And like, literally, Craig, you could see.

[B]

It on the replay. They showed it from the other angle. His eyes. He's like pointing to the end zone and he goes, yeah. Should I go? And he's like, yeah. And then he like, okay, cool.

[C]

Yeah, man. He had 27 fantasy points. We fucking did it. We did it.

[B]

It's just in addition to obviously getting the satisfaction of getting the fantasy points, it's so nice to see a player who you're really high on excited about actually doing the things you're really excited about on the field so much faster.

[A]

That he actually has time to ask permission to score a touchdown.

[B]

Well, I mean, like, legitimately, a few weeks ago, I can't remember exactly how long ago it was. Bill was talking about how we. They couldn't think of a good play he had made. And so it's like we were complaining about him not playing, but at the same time, I don't really blame the Patriots because he hasn't done anything.

[A]

It was a little more specific than that. We went on Bill's show. Bill said, I can't think of a play he's made. I'm going to cut him in fantasy. And I said, bill, if you cut him, I'm going to pick him up, but I'm going to play him against you. Bill cut him two days later. I added him. I played him against Bill today. I'm gonna beat him by the exact margin.

[B]

Are you serious? You played Bill today, too?

[A]

I played Henderson against Bill today, and I'm gonna win by the margin.

[C]

I'm not gonna have a job in a week.

[A]

No.

[B]

But Bill. I think ultimately Bill is happy anyway.

[A]

I also. Yeah.

[C]

Here'S what I'll say. I don't want to pour. Pour cold water on this.

[A]

Whoa. It sounds like you're gonna.

[C]

I think. I think the second touchdown was impressive. I thought the first touchdown was. He ran straight. There was a massive hole, and he's fast. And I think outside of those two plays, I honestly don't think he looks that good. And he just gets stuffed. And I don't think his vision. He kind of doesn't do a whole lot other. Like, those two plays are obviously great, but, like, it was kind of like they were massive lanes and he's very fast.

[A]

With love. With love. Today.

[C]

He doesn't jump off the screen to me outside of those two plays.

[A]

Give me five seconds, and I'm going to give you five seconds to, like, reconsider. Today was Tampa Bay versus the Tampa Run.

[C]

I understand they have a great interior defensive line. He's been bad all year.

[A]

Jets, Bengals, Giants, Bills are their next five games again. Fantasy championships is the jets again.

[C]

I mean, look, no one wants it more than me, so I would say I'm trying to.

[B]

I'm trying to, like, picture. I would say there's some special running backs in the league and they make things look easy. But for like a lot of guys, it. It is the same thing. Craig, where it's like he got a little window and he was really fast and he made the most of it. You know what I mean? Like, there's probably a lot. There's a lot of plays where Devon H. And that's like the case.

[A]

It's got all.

[B]

You got to be pretty fucking.

[C]

Eric Henry made a fucking career out of it.

[B]

Like, right.

[C]

Huge and fast. Make a hole for him.

[B]

There's definitely some guys that can like create on their own and those are the special guys that get paid a lot.

[C]

Like the. The touchdowns Jameer Gibbs was scoring today. Not the same as what Trey, Greg, do you.

[A]

Do you know how many like strikeouts Ohtani had this year? No, Exactly. Not the point.

[C]

Okay. I'm very happy we're back.

[A]

Although I realized. Bad example because I realized he has pitches too. So maybe that was confusing. But I met as a hitter.

[C]

Oh, I thought that. I thought that's what you were saying.

[A]

Oh, no. Yeah. No, I mean strikeouts. Cal Raleigh.

[C]

You're just making a plate.

[A]

Strikeouts Cal Raleigh had this year.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

How many home runs did he have?

[B]

A fuckload. 65, I think, including playoffs.

[A]

That's kind of my point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How many 1 yard runs did Devon HN have today? It doesn't matter, right?

[C]

I'll tell you how many one yard runs.

[B]

Henry. I want to see him suck some fucking dingers.

[A]

Stingers. Okay.

[B]

Sock some dingers.

[A]

Okay, so Henderson, we're back. I got to tell you guys, this is all right. I'm a little upset. Okay.

[B]

If it's just gearing up here.

[A]

So over for the New York Giants and Brian Dable and Jackson Dart. Well, no dart, just his health. But it really is so over for the Giants and Brian Dable. I feel like I have defended Brian Dabel more than many Giants fans. I'm done. I'm out. I've seen enough. He's dead. Brian Dable's dead to a lot of the fan base. And the Giants have continued. The Giants under Dable have actually somehow within a month squandered like all of the goodwill the Bears. I just. Bears beat the Giants 24 to 20. Or as Craig would say, the Bears beat the Giants 20 to 24.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

The Giants blew 10 point fourth quarter lead to the Bears. Fun fact for you. Fun fact number one, Giants have allowed the most points in the fourth quarter in the NFL this season. Need this to say. Dk, you'll appreciate this. Giants are two and eight for the third straight year. And that's not even what I'm mad about. What I'm mad about is the thing that's been so obvious that we have talked about it for literally five straight weeks happened, which is that Brian Dable got Jackson Dart hurt. And it's a little. Sounds unfair to be like, well how can you blame Brian Dable for this? Football's a violent game. Jackson Dart is the, I believe is the most designed runs of any quarterback. Even though he fucking started playing in week four. We have talked every single week about how reckless they are. And Jackson Dart got hurt today, got concost. He left and it was as horrible without him as you could have imagined. Russell Wilson is the backup quarterback solely for pride and ego for Joe Shea and the gm. Why Jameis Winston is not the backup, I have no idea. I could go on and on, but the fact that the Giants lost dark today after losing Scatterbow, after losing neighbors, I. It was the breaking point I think for the majority of Giants fans was.

[B]

Today and to be clear and correct me if I'm wrong, but he. Jackson Dart got hurt on a designed quarterback keeper run, right?

[A]

Yeah. Where he got a first.

[B]

It was, it was like a quarterback power actually.

[A]

Let me correct you, dk. Brian Dable said after the game, I don't know what play he got hurt on. I can't identify that. Even though Jackson Dart fumbled and then didn't move, he looked like Mufasa in the Lion King lying there while everyone's scrambling for ball next to him and then somehow goes back into the game. The next series, plays two snaps, comes out. Dable says I don't know exactly what play he got hurt on. We can't identify but he didn't look right.

[B]

I just. We've been, we've been talking about this for years, right? He wanted. He tried to get Daniel Jones injured for like what felt like two years by constantly running him on like design quarterback keepers into heavy like fronts and everything. It's just. Could you just chill? Stop it. You have no self control. He's worse than any other coach I've ever seen.

[A]

Brian Dibble is just no self control.

[B]

You have to protect this guy. He's hurt. He's in the freaking tent, dude. Every game he's. What are we doing here? I will say, and I want to say especially because this is like the most predictable thing that could have happened. We've been talking about this. Jackson Dart's going to get hurt. Like we just know it.

[C]

I mean he already. He Gets hurt every game. He just plays through it. He's had a hamstring injury.

[B]

I mean I have, I have Dart as one of my quarterbacks in one of my main leagues and somebody tried to trade me for my third string quarterback. I'm like no, I need him because Dart is definitely not. And I like obviously he got hurt. Like this was the most predictable thing. Why is it, why can, if we can see it, why can't Dable see that he's just going to get his quarterback hurt? There's nothing more important to your team than not getting Dart hurt.

[A]

And, and I'm, I feel like I've never really felt this way about a player and a coach but it is Brian Dable's fault and I feel like I've never really felt that way. But then you look at the grander picture of like the way Josh Allen played when he was younger. Like it wasn't self preservation the way Daniel Jones played in that playoff run the first season table where Daniel Jones was getting fucking rocked. And then the wave Dable, I mean the number, I mean just the numbers and the eye test one. Jackson Dart has been in concussion protocol four times this season. If you include the preseason. Three times in the last month he's been in concussion protocol.

[B]

Oh, there was that time where Dave all tried to go into the, yelled.

[A]

At the guys in the blue tent to the point where the NFL had to come down and be like, hey numb nuts, you're not going to do that. Then last week against the Niners, Jackson Dart is running quarterback keepers down 18 under the two minute warning and taking shots and he's like hitting, he's taking the touchdown, that great touchdown in the two minute warning. Darts going on the sideline, keeling over in pain. And he's being a good soldier and he's saying nothing's wrong with him. Not listed on the injury report. Fucking liars. Two weeks before that against the Eagles, the Giants are down like 25 points in the middle of the fourth quarter and Jackson Darts getting fucking rocked by Jeremiah Trotter's son at the 1 yard line or for like a, like, like getting destroyed. And it's one of those where it's funny because Dan Quinn came out and took the heat for Jaden Daniels said.

[B]

He got it wrong.

[A]

Yeah, and guess what? That was a freak injury. That wasn't Dan Quinn's fault. Like, like Jaden Daniels, he was going to take him on. Two plays later he got bro hurt his elbow bracing himself on a fall. That was a freak Injury. Jackson Dart got hurt. Undesigned runs. He has the most designed runs in the league. He has gotten hit as much as any quarterback in the NFL this season.

[B]

He can't protect himself either.

[A]

He can't protect himself. Dabel should recognize and it's so frustrating because everyone agreed that this was going to happen because Dable has no sense of control. And the irony is that he's not even smart because the only thing that was going to save Brian Dable's fucking job was Jackson Dart looking awesome. And the idea that Brian Dable couldn't even put two and two together. That he needs. That he needs Jackson Dart to keep his job or Russell Wilson's going to come and make him look really stupid. For why is Russell Wilson the backup quarterback? Why is Jameis Winston inactive? What about Russell Wilson is able to operate the offense the way Jackson Dart does. Jameis can do it anyway. It's so frustrating. It's the only thing we had left going. But I'm really disappointed to D and I will just leave it at this. His opening press conference. This whole thing has been smart, tough, dependable. The Giants are the least dependable team in the entire NFL. They literally. There's no, there's quite literally no conceivable lead that they could that the people would trust him to protect. Nothing he's done is smart. It's emotional. Dan Campbell is like the rep is emotional. Dan Campbell is very measured during games. Brian Dable is not. He's so fucking emotional. There's no rhyme or reason whose decision making. The first game Brian Dable coached as Giants coach was against the Titans. They went for it on fourth. They went for a two point conversion with under a minute left. They didn't want to go to overtime. They tied a game versus the Titans and they didn't go to overtime. They went for two and they won in regulation. And it was fearless. And all Brian Dable has done the last three years has coached with fucking fear. And it's pathetic. And I have said for weeks there's no point in firing Brian Dabel in the middle season. Wait till the end. You know what? I don't care.

[C]

I kind of like day ball. It's funny. It's funny because day ball wanted Dart and it's. And like is the reason why you. It's like him and Shane like they, they went after Dart. It's kind of funny that now the jets can be like, thank you so much. See you later. Like he's great. Bye. We're going to keep Them, dude, they're two and eight.

[A]

They've given up the most points in the fourth quarter. It's like his. It's. It's his fourth season. What is the excuse?

[C]

This is easier said from the outside. Heifet, so feel free to jump down my throat if you're like, you have no idea. But to me, looking at the Giants, like, I think you guys are so clearly like the team I would want to bet on over the next five years. Like, all the. All the bottom 10 teams in the league. Like, to me, the Giants, if you. Whatever day ball, get rid of him. Like, Dart has it. I think Dart is so fucking good. I was texting my buddy about this today. As a Giants fan, I don't think Dart's getting enough credit for how good of a rookie season he's having. Dart has 17 touchdowns. He has five turnovers. He is amazing. He's so calm. The running is electric. I think he's having, like, a fantastic rookie season that no one is talking about at all. You have him. You have scattered was good. You have neighbors. You have a lot of good pieces on defense. I think the Giants are actually super well positioned for, like, the next five years. And so, I mean, obviously it sucks going two and eight every year, but I do think that, like, if I could start next year, though, if I could start fresh with any team, any bottom 10 team in the league, it's the. It's the Giants by far.

[B]

I. It's. Yeah. So it sucks. No, no, no, I. I agree. I. I think the trajectory is great and, like, the. The foundation is good. It's just so depressing losing Dart in the fashion that you lost. And obviously he's not lost.

[C]

He had a concussion.

[B]

Right, Right. Well, he's going to be probably gonna miss.

[A]

Scatterboard is like, maybe lost. Dark.

[B]

Well, but what I'm saying is the. The jump down from Dart to Russell Wilson.

[A]

No, he can't play. I'm telling you right now.

[B]

So brutal.

[C]

It has to be James.

[A]

No, Russell Wilson should. Honestly, he.

[C]

He should be Russian, be out of the league.

[A]

He should know. He. I don't think he can play next year like the Giants.

[B]

Jameis not playing because.

[A]

Because this front office won't. I won't go into this. I'll wait for Dable to be fired. But the front office doesn't admit mistakes. That's why Graham Gano is still the fucking kicker until this week, even though he's always hurt. It's why. It's why fucking Jalen Hyatt is On the team, even though it doesn't play. It's why Deontay Banks still rotates in even though he's, like, the worst quarterback.

[B]

Try to cosplay as like the Steelers, where they don't overreact to stuff, right?

[A]

Yeah. But they just. When they make a mistake, they don't move on. There's a reason Belichick was credited for moving on from mistakes. It's better than fucking holding onto them. And it's the same thing. Russell Wilson was a mistake.

[C]

Giants have a playoff win more recently than the fucking Steelers do.

[A]

By a lot, which is funny with D. Maybe you should take him.

[B]

When Was your last?

[C]

2017.

[B]

2016.

[A]

2017. That's gonna be. Anyway, I could talk about the Giants for low times. So we should move on.

[B]

Yeah. He's not. He's not. He's not dead. He'll be back next week or the week after.

[A]

I suppose this is two seconds saying, Caleb played great. Bears were. Bears were good. Ben Johnson's a legit coach. Caleb Williams had, like, six or seven throws today where I was like, holy, I can't believe he can throw those things. That ball at that angle.

[C]

God, it was 2016 the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. You're right, though, Heifetz. Although you know how Bill's been doing his thing about how he loves Ben Johnson.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like speeches in the locker room.

[A]

It. It. I.

[C]

He's. Bill is right. And I am starting to notice, like, I get you have to do this if you're a coach. Right. But, like, they barely beat the Giants when Dart got hurt and Russ was in, and they, like, came back and went. And he's like, we had it right where we wanted. We had it right where we wanted. That was like, X expect anything different. Like, we. We did it once again, dude.

[A]

That was like. You know that line in Inside man when Denzel's like, I got him right where I want him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right behind me with my pants down around my ankles.

[C]

He literally said, like, did you ever waver once we had him right where.

[A]

We wanted, down 10 in the fourth. I. I will say, though, no. The thing that Bill me up with.

[B]

Is, look, man, wins are hard to come by in the NFL.

[C]

No, I know. It's just. It.

[B]

Maybe I'm just.

[C]

I haven't seen a lot of those. Two and eight for the third straight year. No, I.

[B]

Wins are precious.

[A]

Bill's right about two things. The lock. The locker room videos are great, and they've gotten great in art form. But the thing Bill fucked me up with is when he pointed out that every time someone who is not a quarterback gets a game ball, the speech is exactly the same. There's three archetypes. There's quarterbacks, there's good players, and then there's like a random guy who contributed, like today for the Bears. C.J. chauncey. Chauncey Gardner. Johnson got one that he just got there. And there's always a random player. And Bill pointed out that every player just says the same thing with the game ball. And I can't get it in my head, but he's right.

[B]

I want to credit my teammates, guys, man, my coaches for putting me in the right position.

[C]

This is with such a great group of guys. Just love being with you. Like, let's keep it going.

[A]

Love y'. All. Let's keep it rolling. I'm like.

[C]

Caleb's speech was kind of Luke.

[A]

That was bad. It was bad.

[C]

It was bad. He was. It was weird. He was like that.

[B]

What you expect, though?

[A]

He was like, I took that one sack in the beginning, but, yeah, what are you doing?

[C]

I mean, I did take a sack, but no, yeah, it was good. He's like, defense. I mean, we didn't get started great, but we know we finished strong. I'm like, all right. Ben Johnson's just like, let's go easy. This win was.

[A]

Yeah. My intrusive thought was, I was watching. I was like, man, bears would be 90 with Drake May.

[C]

One last note about. Yeah, for sure. One last note about Jackson Dart dude. QB one in fantasy since week six.

[A]

Dude, who's the qb?

[C]

No one's talking about dart. No one's talking about how good dart is.

[B]

People are talking about dart.

[A]

I don't Dart, no. But I think Craig's right. That dart and Scatter Boo were like a meme. They were very talked about, but because it was like, who the are these people? You know what dart Dart is? What we said Caleb Williams would be in that. He's the first Gen Z quarterback. Jackson Dart is very much the first Gen Z quarterback. And that was kind of the lens.

[B]

He's. He's what I pictured Gen Z. Yeah.

[A]

It was like everyone's like, why is he booping? Scatter Boo.

[B]

It's like me or like, I could. I don't know what I would say.

[A]

To that guy exactly.

[B]

I don't know. I couldn't hold. I couldn't hold a conversation.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I don't even know what we do.

[C]

The other day, I was at, like, a frozen yogurt place with a bunch of high schoolers. And I was terrified. I was like, don't nobody look at me. I felt weird getting a sample. Is this weird? I got out of there as quickly as I could. Dk, do you have one?

[B]

No, I just want to shout out Roma Dunes. Or as Craig likes to put a.

[C]

Woman Dunes, a couple big time plays. Yeah.

[B]

For bouncing back strong and. And partially thanks to his dad for lobbying for him on social media, which apparently is the new thing. For a while, it was like you would say stuff in the media or you would get in a fight with the coach. Then for a while was like cryptic trade. I'm gonna unfollow my team on Instagram. And everyone would freak out about that. Now you're just getting family members.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To start dogging on whoever this is.

[A]

Just another one where Odell Beckham, once again, trailblazer and. Yeah, and trailblazer for athletes in fashion. Social dad. Odell Beckham's dad was throwing people under the bus years before their dads could even log in and see Instagram.

[B]

So somebody pointed out to Odunze after the game that he got the first target of the game, and he just said, thanks, dad, because Roma Dunes's dad, James the dun, was like, lobbying for.

[C]

Hear me out.

[B]

Yeah, it worked. Yeah, look, it happened. It worked. Marvin. Marvin Harrison worked for him. Ironically, his hall of fame dad was lobbying for him online.

[A]

The best throw. Caleb Williams. I've. I. Maybe not probably. Maybe not the best, but one of the three or four best throws I've ever seen. Caleb Williams throws a professional. Roma dudes, they just dropped at the end zone. And I was like, if Rome. If you'd caught that, that would have been like, the number one on Sports Center. It was so good. Okay, now it's time for America's favorite segment. Fart or shark?

[C]

Fart or shark?

[B]

Oh, my God. Change your short.

[C]

Oh, yeah, air horn.

[B]

That one was weird.

[A]

I don't actually like fart noises. And they make me uncomfortable. And I get.

[C]

But they're so funny.

[B]

The air horns saved it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There was a great SNL sketch a couple weeks ago or a week ago, the Miles Teller episode. And the whole sketch is just around, like, somebody keeps farting when they get surprised. And it played. It was really funny. You know what? Sometimes it just works. Okay, Daniel.

[B]

Never gets old. What's up?

[C]

I'm gonna throw kind of a curveball at you here. This is not somebody you'd expect.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But I imagine people are struggling right now with this person.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Running back Bijan Robinson last three weeks, zero touchdowns. He's had four fantasy points, then 13, then nine. I want to, I want to per Ryan Heath, good fantasy analyst out there. Follow Ryan Heath was talking about Tyler Algier versus Bijan Robinson. Dk, you used to on Arthur Smith, my beloved Steelers offensive coordinator, for not giving Bijan the ball enough. Well, Tyler Algier today, three carries inside the 10 yard line, Bijan zero. He is now, Tyler Algier is now at five to Robinson's one over the past four games inside the 10 yard line. And Bijan has not scored a touchdown rushing touchdown since week six. So I come to you, sweet Daniel, Fart or shart for my boy Bijan and really farter shart for you with Arthur Smith. Who's the problem? Maybe. Is Bijan the problem or is Arthur Smith the problem?

[B]

No, Algiers the problem. He's too good.

[C]

Oh, Algiers the problem.

[B]

He's actually good. That's the problem.

[C]

But is it a problem that they're giving him the carries? Is that, is that the wrong move?

[B]

Well, he's doing pretty well with them.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

This is turning into, look, I don't think this is a Shart because Bijan is just too good, but it is borderline Kenneth Walker Charbonnet territory.

[C]

Okay. I was gonna say like it's a little worrisome.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If, if Algier is on the team next year, are, are we not going to be able to put Bijan in the top five in the rankings because of Al.

[B]

Man? Maybe.

[C]

Cause shit like this happens.

[B]

Yes, it's scary. I mean if you look at the last, like, like you said, the last four weeks, he's all over the place. If this doesn't get amount of carries.

[A]

If they really actually, I, I, I.

[C]

Think these are two different coaching staffs that have done the same thing.

[A]

I think it's way more closer with dk. I don't think Algeria's too good. I don't think it represents anything about Bijan's rushing style because Bijan's actually really good at North South. He's actually very like, he's actually very good at getting North South. I think teams want to move him laterally actually, but I think it's more indicative of Tyler. Algeria is just a really good running back and I mean especially in the.

[B]

Way that they use him in terms of like he's just a, he's going to get into the end zone.

[A]

He had the most rushing yards for a rookie in Falcons history.

[C]

That's a good analysis. Well, it's like he's going to fucking.

[B]

Get in exactly how I feel about Charbonnet. He's I don't think he's that good of a runner but he's going to get into the end zone and they really trust him around there.

[A]

But I think it's got a nose.

[B]

For the end zone.

[A]

I'm pretty sure Craig all those carries were on like one drive and I kind of just think I'll. I I it's sometimes here's what's weird.

[C]

About 5 to 1 over the last month.

[A]

I know but here's what's weird about running back rotations. Sometimes teams swap in on the same.

[B]

Drive can be a random and then.

[C]

It'S just the Algier drive.

[A]

Sometimes they just give Algier the third and the sixth and the ninth drive. Yeah. And sometimes those drives just happen to be the ones that get to the red zone. And I kind of think necessarily because Algier also does get the short yardage when the Falcons feel like like for lack of a better term and if you're with kids you can earmuffs. I think the Falcons put in Algier when they think they're getting pushed around or frankly I think they when they're the Falcons think they're getting big dicked they're like you know what fuck you we'll put in Tyler. And I think that Algier is like if they feel like they're getting shoved you with their backup guy. Yeah. Which is funny but like I think short yardage if they are afraid they can't get it like they want to Algerian but he's good but so that is a problem in short yards. But I also think B F on.

[B]

The year on the year I'm looking at true media right now. Goal goal goal to go rush attempts this year Tyler Algier 13 Bijan 44.

[A]

Is on this year on the season that's really low. All right. You know what? That's a sharp that's I mean that's a huge problem.

[B]

Bijan obviously is averaging way more points because he's fucking awesome.

[C]

Well and it is a problem with.

[A]

For his bottom that's a huge problem.

[C]

Well the problem is that the Falcons aren't that good because I think that the the easiest comp to make is is Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery who both work have been totally fine. David Montgomery could score 15 touchdowns in a season. Doesn't matter. Jameer Gibbs is great.

[B]

Catchphrase.

[A]

I watched the glorious bashes this weekend but I was trying to do like.

[B]

Oh, I did too.

[A]

Yeah, dude, it's great.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

Anyway. Oh my God.

[B]

We should have done a watch party.

[A]

You could just say Bing.

[C]

But yet it's like The Lions scored 40 points a game. So it was fine.

[A]

We didn't talk about. We didn't really talk about the Colts Falcons game, but to that point. Craig, Michael. So Daniel Jones was really bad in this Colts Falcons game. He had seven sacks, three fumble like three pick, two fumbles. And the Colts won because Michael Penix was much worse than Daniel Jones.

[B]

Yeah, he was.

[A]

Even though Dan Jones was literally bleeding from the mouth because he got fucking hit so much. Yeah, Michael Penix looked really, really uncomfortable. I don't want to draw too many conclusions from these European games with. But like it was kind of in line with everything else where when Penix is pressured, he just doesn't see anything else yet. He's just not that far into his NFL career yet. Like when there's pressure he just. He had a couple ick sacks. Like the ones where he just like he kind of turtled and one at the end of the game and it was like, oh, come on, buddy.

[B]

I hate the turtle. I hate that.

[A]

You can't. He like he like he actually got away and then realized he got away and he just went down.

[C]

We should do ick of the day as a category.

[B]

That's a good one.

[C]

You wanna know what my ick was today was in that same game when. When like Drake London just like fucking threw Sauce Gardner to the ground and caught the two point.

[A]

Oh, that was so bad.

[C]

And I was like, oh, that's tough.

[A]

He just left. Dude. You know what? It wasn't even through Sauce down. It was so Sauce Gardner, the cult.

[C]

He like juked him and broke his ankle. So it was bad.

[A]

It was so the cornerback the Colts just traded two first round picks for and the Falcons put Drake London on him. And it's on the left. I think it's like third down. Might have been fourth, but it was probably third down two yards. And they just run this play to ISO Drake London on sauce. And it wasn't even that. He just immediately kind of put Sauce broke his ankles on the ground. It was that when Drake London, the ball's in the air, Sauce started crawling toward him and he was like crawling like army crawling to catch up.

[B]

That's, that's.

[C]

And I was a desperation.

[B]

It's like the, it's like the half. Half destroyed Terminator.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At the end of the movie.

[C]

It's like half his face is all messed up.

[A]

I was like. I actually think pretending to be hurt would have been better there, bud. Like, yeah, he crawl after like.

[C]

I was like, London discard him.

[A]

You discarded him. It was bad.

[B]

Come on. Kenneth Walker has nine rushes in from a goal to go situations and Bijon has four.

[A]

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

[C]

I'm just saying it's tough.

[A]

It's. The Falcons offense is. Yeah, it's. It's not as developed. Okay. Any other intrusive thoughts today or. Icks. I agree. Craig. The sauce gardener thing was a huge ick.

[C]

I have a couple intrusive thoughts. I. I can be somewhat quick with them. We've touched on this before, but. But it particularly infuriated me today. Why is Derrick Henry so bad when the ball's at the fucking one? Why? Because it's real. Like with one yard to go, Derek Henry can't get it. And they put in Justice Hill. Bang. One carry, one touchdown. He's easy this year. Derrick Henry has five carries from the one yard line. He has negative three yards. Why?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I just. I just think that he's. I think Derrick Henry is almost kind of like. You know what we always say about. He's like too big.

[C]

He'll like run into somebody because there's so many people and he's so big. Like, he just will run into somebody. I think he can't avoid people because there's too many stuffed into one tiny area. He's too big.

[B]

They can see him. This is like the batted down thing.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

They can fucking see him coming a mile away.

[C]

I looked at the last three years. The last three years, Derrick Henry is tied for the most carries in the league. When there's one yard to go on the goal and when they're on the one, he has the most carries in the league, tied for the most. 17 of your over 17 carries. He has one yard. Over the last three years. He is averaging point one yards per carry. Goal to go on the one. Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Which. And it's like there are plenty of other running backs who are way better. The only guy who is worse than.

[B]

Him is Brian Robinson, another tallish running back.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

17 carries.

[B]

See where they're coming.

[C]

One yard. The last three years. It's. It's the most bizarre feeling in the world when like, you're watching Derek Henry just like throw people down the field and they get to the one and you're like, no way. He's getting it. He can't get it.

[B]

The Derrick Henry thing this year has been so depressing it is.

[A]

It is weird that I. I agree. Craig. I have no confidence. I actually think that they should sub Henry off for the. The third and one, first and goal. Like, he's not.

[B]

I have the intru. If we're. If we're talking about intrusive thoughts, I'm like, the Bears or the. The Ravens best running back by far. It's very clear to me. It's Keaton Mitchell. Totally agree.

[A]

Totally agree. Mitchell is so much better.

[B]

Like, what? Like, this is. This is like an inside joke. You know, we have all our friends. It's like the backup running back's always better than the starter. It's just like a thing.

[A]

No, but Keith Mitchell actually third.

[B]

I think their third string running back is their best running back.

[A]

100% DK. I think that every time he gets.

[B]

The ball, every time he put that guy, I'm like, give that guy more fucking touches. What are we doing here? I'm not a coach, and I can see obviously Derek Henry's Derek Henry, so I get it.

[A]

But, yeah, my intrusive thought today was dk. Do you think Kyler Murray was overjoyed when the Cardinals fell down 35 to nothing? Or do you think Kyler Murray was too busy and didn't notice because he was playing in that little Simpsons world they built in Fortnite?

[B]

That is a. It is a fun question to imagine where he's like, thank God, now. No, now everyone's gonna be like, it's not my fault. Deep down. Did he have that as a competitor?

[A]

Deep down? How about on the surface?

[B]

He's, like, smiling, laughing. Did he go the game? I didn't see him. Was he on the sidelines?

[A]

He's playing Fortnite. No, actually, I don't know if he was there.

[C]

I couldn't see him. I don't know.

[A]

I couldn't see him. There was a lot of tall guys.

[C]

Throw him in there. I just think that's crazy, dude. 17 carries, one yard.

[A]

You know, it's funny about that because I was like, how do you get one yard? I actually really mean this if I think Ravens fans listening agree. If it's first and goal or third and goal at the one and Derek Henry is the ball, I think he's more likely at this point to lose yards than gain them.

[C]

Well, that's. Yeah. I mean. Cause he does have a few. Like, I don't. I forget how many touchdowns he has on those 17 carries. But you can have more touchdowns than yards because, like.

[B]

Right, right.

[C]

You. He'll lose three Yards on one of those, but then the others, he loses them a lot.

[A]

It's not great.

[C]

He does.

[A]

Any other intrusive thoughts?

[C]

My one intrusive thought I had today is that the three best running quarterbacks don't run anymore. And it's Lamar, it's Josh, and it's Jalen Hurts. And I kind of was like, I wondered if it's because I have Lamar everywhere in fantasy. I have Jalen Hurts in fantasy. I know he hasn't. He plays tomorrow. But then I was like, man, you know, I, I, I no longer, when I watch the Ravens, am I like, Lamar is going to tear him up on the ground today. Like, that's just not a part of his game. Like, he's basically just a pocket passer, and if he needs to, he'll scramble. And the numbers bear that out. He's averaging a career low yards per game. Jalen Hurts career low yards per game rushing. Josh Allen is averaging a career low design. All three of them are averaging career lows and design runs per game. They're all averaging less than four design runs per game. And I'm sure this is like, you want these guys to last longer. Like, you can't just be running them all around as they approach 30 years old. But it was just something that crossed my mind. I was like, oh, Lamar, like, to me, like, Jackson Dart. Like, there's a new era of rushing quarterbacks. I kind of don't put Lamar especially. I don't put Jalen Hurts. Josh still runs, especially in the goal line. But I don't know, I feel like they are in phase two of their careers in terms of what they are.

[B]

Athletically and as a runner, I think that's accurate.

[A]

I think there's a health thing, too, with Lamar, obviously. I do think so. There's a bias in rushing, obviously, because when you're younger, like you, you know, as Josh and Lamar, I mean, Lamar's 29. All these guys are like 28, 29. You get older, you know, you're not as fast, you pick up injuries, you don't get hit. But there's also a weird bias, and this is why I think some fantasy rules need to be changed. That, like when Drake May. Drake May had the game where he was, I forget his completion percentage was like 90% or whatever. And they asked him, how'd you feel about that? And he was like, actually, I left a lot of throws out there. I couldn't really process them quick enough, so I just ran. And so it's actually, you run less in part because you're understanding the game better. And so that is also part of it is that a lot of throws where Lamar Jackson, like, had some cool 40 yard run, he probably didn't know what the fuck to do, and he just made some cool shit happen. And now he's a touch slower and he knows the game better, and so he's actually doesn't need to do that anymore. So in a weird way.

[C]

Yeah. Fantasy sign of, like, getting better.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You're being punished in fantasy because the guy's a better player, which is why I think quarterback yards should be adjusted a little. On that note, can you tell me who the number one quarterback in fantasy football was today? Craig.

[C]

Oh, I mean, was it dart dk, do you know?

[B]

Not Stafford.

[C]

So Stafford.

[A]

Davis Mills. No, Davis mills.

[B]

Kidding me.

[A]

292 yards and. God. Davis Mills ran.

[C]

Man, what a world.

[A]

So there's so many stats here.

[C]

This is what keeps me coming back.

[B]

He had 292 yards passing, two touchdowns.

[A]

And a pick because he also ran for 20 yards.

[B]

20 rushing yards and score.

[A]

Davis Mills, number one of the day.

[C]

Yeah, he had more rushing yards than Lamar today. That's.

[A]

That's.

[B]

We're talking about controversy here.

[C]

He did. Number one.

[A]

We got to remember sometimes about fantasy, I think we're too logical. In August, sometimes we have to remember that if. If you don't sound. If some of your predictions don't sound actively stupid, you can never be right about everything. Yeah. You have to kind of throw stupid in just to be right. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, you do. Anyway, which is why our show is so, so accurate.

[A]

We're doing great. Another time. We're like, Alvin Kamara's legs are the same weight now. It's gonna be great. And we nailed it. Anyway, play of the day. Rico Dowdle doing the touchdown celebration of zero pumps. Because Rico Dowdle did the two pumps that got flagged. So this week, Keegan, Michael Key from Key and Peele actually, like, video chatted into the Panthers team, which is awesome. And then Rico Dowdle just did the celebration. But that didn't. So he just kind of looked like White Goodman just getting pumped up, where you just kind of like balmy blazer.

[C]

And he looked down.

[A]

So then it just became a lot of slow mos of Rico Dowdle just staring at his dick. Which somehow was weirder than doing the pumps. I don't know why, but Streisand effect, But it was stranger.

[C]

I want him to keep kind of testing the waters to find the perfect line of the most Inappropriate thing you can do without getting flagged.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

So it's funny because the NFL, if they just done nothing, it'd be fine, but now you're just going to have a lot of guys just kind of looking at their dicks as celebration, being like, find me, bitch.

[B]

He was, like, fined like 14 grand for that.

[A]

Guys can find a lot of money.

[B]

Ridiculous.

[A]

Well, it's per pump. We have an important thing to get to right now.

[C]

The play. The play of the weekend.

[A]

Play of the weekend. Which is. You know what, Carlos? Why don't you just play the clip?

[B]

The weirdest thing has happened now where I feel like Gus Johnson sounds more like Craig than Craig sounds like Gus Johnson.

[A]

Now it feels like the fact that this was actually the go ahead touchdown for Indiana to, like, beat Penn State and it actually mattered a. But unbelievable. Like when.

[B]

When he says the stuff now, I'm like, oh, he's making fun.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe he saw the beignet video now and he's like. He's a meme of himself.

[A]

Play it one more time. Wow. Omore. Cooper in trouble. Unbelievable.

[C]

Oh, unbelievable.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[C]

He, like, cut the unbelievable short because he, like, ran out of oxygen.

[A]

Unbelievable. He used way too much on wow. He held the wow for, like, way too long.

[C]

The wow.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Oh, do you think he thinks I actually. What's great about Gus Johnson is I don't think that he, like, prepares any. That is all genuine from his heart every time. Yeah. Which is why I love it.

[B]

The hero.

[A]

Wow. Unbelievable.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

We got tagged probably about a hundred times on Twitter.

[A]

Thank you to every single person. Do you think we can get Gus on the show?

[C]

Dude, Gus should do the Super Bowl. Like, what are we doing?

[A]

I. Dude, I know, I know.

[C]

What are we doing?

[A]

It's crazy to me that Kirk to.

[C]

Get Gus and Eric Collins.

[B]

Is that too much?

[A]

Kirk? Herb street is doing the Thursday football and the Saturday pregame for college and the college games, but Gus can't do college in the NFL. Like, breaks my heart. Like, how the.

[C]

Imagine he should go to Amazon.

[A]

He should go to Amazon when Al Michael's AI retires.

[C]

Yeah. Imagine the sheer energy we could create if Eric Collins and Gus Johnson were in a room together.

[A]

Oh, my God. Do you think we could make it happen?

[B]

This is like the particle. It's like we. There's a chance. We all know we just destroy the universe. Was that like on Oppenheimer's, like, yeah. 50. 50.

[C]

We probably won't.

[B]

Can't say 100.

[C]

Non. It was non.

[A]

Zero. Non.

[C]

Zero.

[B]

That we create a chain reaction of wow.

[A]

We set the sky on fire.

[B]

It's like a feedback.

[A]

We would light the atmosphere.

[C]

Oh my God. Oh, yeah. That was what it was, right, wasn't it? That it would light the atmosphere.

[A]

Non zero chance. We'd light the atmosphere on fire. He's like, sorry, what did you say? It's almost nothing. Chances are almost nothing.

[B]

Would have preferred a nothing.

[A]

Would have preferred zero.

[B]

Would have preferred a zero chance.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You know what? One more time. In trouble. In trouble. Go. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[B]

Do we have any Collins ones on tap? What's his first name again? Eric. Eric Collins. Because I now I need to like see the contest.

[A]

Do we have an Eric Collins on tap? Look at this. Get on his feet.

[C]

He's way funnier. I think actually he's crazy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With the guts of a cat Burler.

[B]

What? Oh, I forgot about the guts of a cat.

[C]

Way better. Because the Hornets suck. Like the fact that he's just typical Ashton Jenty.

[A]

Look at him go. You can't bring him down. Is he? Yes, he will. A touchdown Aston Genti on his first touch.

[C]

Oh, dude. Like lamelo hitting some three in the third quarter. Down 10.

[A]

If anyone in the world knows Eric Collins, can you please put us in touch? I will do anything. We have to get him on the show.

[C]

I. I wish I had that kind of unbridled joy in life.

[A]

I know.

[C]

That's a blast.

[B]

It's a true gift.

[C]

I know. It really is. Like he just has it. He just has a special gift.

[B]

Oh God, I'm crying now. That was fun.

[A]

Worst play of the day. We mentioned Trevor Lawrence's pick six to a fucking defensive tackle to end the game. Cause he couldn't get to the 50 yard line. I do think the other two worst ones have to be the Cleveland Browns. Ending the Jets Browns game because they jumped off sides on fourth and four when the jets like the jets were just doing the. Where there's no chance we're going to run a play. We're going to just see if you're dumb enough. And the Browns got got by Justin Fields's hardcount, which I think is humiliating.

[B]

Arguably the best play of the day. Because this was the number one pick bowl.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

Browns knew what they were doing.

[A]

Smart.

[B]

Good job.

[C]

Browns want Mendoza dozing for Mendoza dosing for dose.

[A]

Dosy dose. No, that doesn't really make sense. Oh, dose two wins from dose. Dose for dose.

[C]

I was saying dozing like going to sleep.

[A]

That's way better. Than what?

[B]

I. I thought you meant like bulldozing the other one.

[A]

You know what? Craig's was best. Mine was third.

[B]

This works better than print.

[C]

Nobody reads anymore.

[A]

Other worst play then probably Darren Duron Payne for the wat for Washington. Just straight up punching a Monroe St. Brown and immediately getting ejected. And sometimes like he's like, it's like a slap. He actually like sucker punched Amanra.

[C]

So like into the helmet. That's probably hurt.

[A]

I know. I like, that's the.

[C]

That's like the last thing I would do. Punch a helmet. Like, like push them or like rip the helmet. Don't punch it.

[A]

Yeah. Like Aaron Donald is smart enough to just grab guys by their face mask and fucking yank them by the throat. Like Aaron Donald knew what he was doing.

[C]

Yeah, punching is stupid.

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[A]

More at applecard.com Stadium Pulse of the week I think Stadium Pulse of the week was Kenny Albert trying to throw at a commercial while Donald Trump just really wanted to keep talking about being a tight end.

[B]

That was good.

[A]

Kenny. Poor Kenny Albert. John Vilba obviously like just have like, like Trump is at the Washington game today and like doing a whole thing. And obviously there's a larger Fox apparatus that has informed Kenny Albert at some point. Last 36 hours. You're going to be having Donald Trump and watching Kenny Albert and John Vilma try to narrate a touchdown and a two point conversion and then throw it.

[B]

The end of at it.

[A]

Throughout a commercial they gave him like.

[B]

The play by play. They were like, all right, you can do a play by play. And then he just didn't really do it. And so they were trying to like interject a little bit. It was pretty awkward.

[A]

That was a big stadium. That was like real stadium pulse for Kenny Albert there.

[C]

I think they were cutting to it so much. Everybody was so stiff in there.

[A]

Oh my God. Everyone was. Yeah. Because he was so relaxed and Kenny Albert was like real nervous. Oh my God. Okay. The Arthur Smith Sean hockey award for the coach of ref. That pissed you off. There was a lot of weird ref stuff today. A lot of coach stuff. I coach stuff. First thing that if it went wrong, it's all we talk about. But it went right so we'll never say it. Mike Vrabel did a thing today that no one could remember actually doing. People have talked about it under the.

[C]

Two minute warning that I've always thought about and I've always wanted somebody to do because in my head I'm like, if you can pull this off, it's fucking genius.

[A]

So the Patriots had the ball under the two minute warning of the first half. Buck Buck playing the Buccaneers. Buccaneers have no time outs. So you want to thread the needle of you want to get the touchdown but you don't want to give the bucks time. And the Patriots are getting the ball in the second half and so you want to just try to double dip. So Vrabel actually did something and he just kind of had Drake may fucking kneel at the one yard line on first down. It will score.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they didn't get it on second, didn't get it on third and Vel was like fuck it, we're going for him. Fourth and one through a fade which.

[B]

Is like this was like a 97 on degree of difficulty through literally like.

[A]

The least like, like the most like oh, we just don't want to turn the ball over cause we're going to kick a field goal. But it was fourth down, not a high percentage play. And then Stefan Diggs made the craziest catch. And then go to right to Vrabel at the score, like 1 second left and go to variable halftime. He's like, yeah, nothing about plays, just think about players.

[C]

He's like Ben Johnson. We never wavered, dude.

[B]

He looked. They showed him on before fourth down. He looked like what I imagine someone from Uncut Gems would look like. He was stressed. He was like, we have to go for it here. And I'm gonna get buried if we don't get this. I think it was too cute. It was stupid. I Especially against the Bucks where they have.

[C]

I know it's like an important game. Like, I would understand giving that a shot when you're up big and it's funny. Random game.

[B]

That's too much strategy. Just score a touchdown.

[A]

Back when the Manning cast.

[B]

You're doing too much.

[A]

But like what Brady said on the Manning cast. I mean, Brady said this a lot. But like. Like, Brady in the context where he's good talking about football, which is not when he's paid to do it is Gaston. Him and Belichick were just obsessed about, like, that thing which again, anyone plays mad and it's intuitive of, like, score at the end of the first half and then the second half, which is the theory. But no one's like. That's why everyone defers for the second half. But teams aren't good at doing it. And the Patriots are just obsessed with it. Like V. And they nailed it. Guess what? Like, they. They were. They got 14 points in a combined, like, 60 seconds of game time.

[C]

And Baker didn't touch the ball for like 70 minutes.

[A]

Yes. So it was like he kind of nailed it.

[C]

It's like an hour before there's a touch of ball again.

[B]

There's a line in major league where I can't even remember. It was like a. The outfielder does like a basket catcher. He's doing something that he's not supposed to be doing. He's like, hell of a catch. Don't ever fucking do it again. And I'm like. I'm wondering if whoever, you know, talks to Vrabel after the game. I don't know. I don't know if the ownership talks to.

[A]

I don't think anyone speaks to Variable that way.

[C]

But like, that feels like some Andy Reid Mahomes too. I'm surprised. Like, I feel like. I can't believe I haven't seen the Chiefs do that.

[A]

The it's too dangerous. They wouldn't let Mahomes do was a joke. But so I just forgot to laugh. The other I so funny.

[B]

I forgot to laugh.

[A]

I will spare Raheem Morris come back. I'll spare Raheem Morris by lecture about what he did at the end of the game where he called the timeout and gave the Colts kicker a breath. Which was stupid. But I think we have to the referees in Colts, Falcons. I really. Maybe you guys have thought of this. Obviously. We talk so much about the players going to Europe. I really actually have never thought about the referees having jet lag until right now. Like, watch today. They're old, they're 60, and they're traveling, and they have to work a very long and stressful time. And I'm. It sounds like a blood pool, but I'm serious. Yes.

[B]

In your legs.

[C]

Compression socks are important on those flights.

[B]

They gotta be up and moving about the cabin.

[A]

And I never really thought about this.

[C]

Blood pools.

[A]

Gotta stand.

[C]

Compression socks are. Liz wore when we went to. We went to Africa last year, and Liz was like, I'm wearing compression socks. One of the. One of the legs was 16 hours.

[A]

I did this this year on the way to Ireland because I pulled my hamstring 10 days before we went at a weird.

[B]

Did they work?

[C]

Oh, I mean, I didn't use them and I was fine.

[A]

Sleeve.

[C]

I kind of refused to. Out of. Kind of just.

[B]

You're just too tough.

[A]

You just stand.

[C]

No way. My body would succumb.

[B]

So did they work for Liz?

[C]

I mean, she didn't have any issue, so I guess.

[B]

So. Yes. I guess.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

They did not work. Yeah.

[A]

The referees in this international game, this cold Falcons game, did something I've never seen, and maybe this has happened before, but I'm not aware of it. They actually messed up. Who got to pick the coin toss in overtime, and they had to redo it over the commercial break.

[B]

That's embarrassing.

[A]

They had to re. Because it's like the home team, the fake home team because it's Europe, gets to do the opening, and then the other team gets to do the overtime if there's a second one. And they just let the Colts do it twice. And then they were like, wait, you can't do that. And they came back and they had to explain. And this came immediately after. They totally botched the end of the game. Like, Mike Pereira was lecturing them on Fox. Like, Mike Pereira was shredding them. He's like, they're getting this wrong in three different ways. So they couldn't end regulation for like five minutes because they refer explaining it. Then they got the coin toss wrong because they were so rattled. And I was like, these guys had a long flight. They had to go to Berlin. Yeah.

[B]

So was this the cleat? Blake.

[A]

Blake Blakeman. Poor Cleek Lakeman.

[B]

I saw. I did. I. I was watching so many games. I didn't really, like, see It. It specifically. Or maybe I just missed it. But there was a explanation by Cleat Blakeman as to why the game ended.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And High Fitz and I were talking about this before the show where AI is so good. It's hard to spot the difference nowadays. I was like, I can't. Is this real? This looks like one of those bad lip reading things. He was talking gibberish like I couldn't understand what he was saying. And then Mike Ferreira comes on. He's like, I don't really know what he was saying there.

[C]

He.

[B]

It was like actually really confusing. I was like, I don't know what he said.

[A]

I. I felt bad for the refs, which is how bad they were. I just felt bad for them.

[B]

That's tough.

[A]

It was brutal. Lucille Booth. I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. I mean, The jets had 14 points at one point with four net yards.

[C]

That's fucking Jets.

[B]

Was that just because they get sacked so much or what was the deal?

[A]

Oh, they. They got a kick return touchdown and then a punt return touchdown.

[C]

Do you think?

[B]

God.

[C]

What's the record?

[A]

The.

[C]

The ratio of overall points versus passing yards. 27 points and 54 passing yards is pretty impressive.

[A]

Is that what they finish with? That is probably gonna be really high. Two to one is probably. That's. That's. Wow. That is probably really. That. You might have to go back like a hundred years to do better than that.

[B]

Go find it. Go find the team. Let's talk.

[C]

That's some. That's some Cub buck.

[A]

Yeah, that's some Cub buck.

[C]

That's some Jug Earp.

[A]

Jug Herp. Jug Herp. She's all over that.

[C]

That's some Cub. And Jug sounds like a cop show from the 60s.

[A]

Old Hollywood ESPN research also had a great stat on this game since 1950. Solak worded it this way. The teams were 225 and oh. When holding opponents to 175 or fewer yards and committing no turnovers. And then the Browns lost today. So it's now 225 and 1.

[B]

It's a great job.

[A]

Under 175 yards and no turnovers. And they lost.

[B]

Hell of a job.

[A]

Cool. And then real quick, they know how to tank.

[B]

I'm actually impressed. I'm not even mad real quick.

[A]

I just want to do two Washington tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and one lie. Here are just three tight ends in Washington. Zach Ertz, Ben Senate, and John Bates. Bates did not.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Yeah. Senate scored.

[B]

Senate Scored. I think Bates might have scored.

[A]

All right. Not my finest, too obvious competition.

[C]

Don't, don't come after Pitts this year, all right?

[A]

He should have had two touchdowns. It was actually Pennix's fault. It was a bad throw.

[B]

Oh yeah, Penix definitely like short arm. Best fight would have been a TD burn book.

[A]

I think it should be DJ Moore for the Chicago Bears.

[C]

Okay, DJ Moore, make the case.

[B]

I have to shotgun a beer because.

[A]

Of this fucking guy from DJ Moore? Yeah, with the. I will give him the grace he got hurt that he maybe, maybe allegedly, possibly is covering up a. Like a testicular torsion or something that happened to him. Maybe traumatized the game for a while so that maybe that may have happened to him. And I also would hide that if it happened to me. And he totally gets to do that because of Hippa. Having said that, we don't know if that's true. So DJ Moore, you spent like a fourth or fifth round draft pick on DJ Moore. He had no points today. DK has a shotgun a beer because of that. So DJ Moore's season so far week.

[C]

Started from week one. Put that on the gram.

[A]

Put it on the gram. Dk.

[C]

If you're not a coward, put it on the ground.

[A]

DK. D.J. morris points this season. 7, 7, 10, 5 by 7, 7, 9. You benched him last week probably for 21 points versus the Bengals and maybe did. So you play him this week. If he was on your bench and you got 21 points, you gotta play him this week like he had zero today.

[B]

Yeah, this one probably is the right call.

[C]

Yeah. I was going to suggest Cortland Sutton who's been disappointing, but I think DJ Moore has been worse.

[A]

DJ Moore is like, do you like. You probably don't cut him because there's not that many good receivers, but he's probably been a net negative.

[C]

I'm going to keep Sutton though like on deck. Like I'm going to keep him warm.

[A]

Burn books from week one on. Jalen Waddle, which pre tyree kill injury.

[C]

Yeah, true.

[A]

Jalen Waddle. Mark Andrews, Isaiah Patre's had a couple.

[B]

More drops today, I think.

[C]

And a touchdown.

[A]

He had a cool touchdown.

[B]

All right, we'll let him. We'll let him live.

[C]

I was just dying.

[A]

You want me to pick it up?

[C]

All right, Mark Andrews, week two, Isaiah Pacheco, Week three, then Calvin Ridley, Trivion Henderson, Tony Pollard, Justin Fields, Alvin Camara, Bill Merritt and DJ Moore. I mean most of these guys are.

[B]

Travion's the only one that Travion and Mark Andrews are the only ones that didn't age well.

[C]

Well, waddle, waddle. But again, that was pre.

[B]

Tyreek, if it's you. All right, bud.

[C]

He's drinking so much water.

[B]

Every episode is dying over there.

[C]

Finishes the show five pounds heavier than when he started it because he drinks so much goddamn water.

[A]

Craig, honestly, the greatest had been at Craig all year, was when we were in studio in Los Angeles a couple weeks ago, and I had two bottles of water. He's like, why do you have two? I was like, because I'm gonna drink them. He was like, you can't drink.

[C]

That's a reasonable question.

[A]

And I was like, I have drank two bottles of water during our shows for, like, five years. That's.

[C]

That's too much. You don't need that much.

[A]

Well, I drink water, bro. Sorry. I'm hydrated. It's the only thing Tom Brady and I have.

[C]

No, you're just pissing that out. Like, you. There's a point where you have too much water.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna find it.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ron.

[C]

What a day for Carlos.

[A]

Thank you, Austin. Carlos is the real winner.

[C]

Carlos is levitating right now, dude.

[A]

He was like, josh.

[B]

He didn't have to watch any Zen. He's like, the Zen.

[A]

Yeah, the Zen.

[B]

Josh Allen.

[A]

Fuck Josh Allen. Fuck Guinness.

[B]

Chris Greer.

[C]

Fuck Guinness.

[A]

Chris Gear.

[B]

He drank zero Guinnesses.

[C]

Baseball.

[A]

Baseball.

[C]

Dumbass. Boring sport.

[A]

Stupid baseball.

[C]

Way too many games.

[B]

He reached nirvana today.

[A]

Carlos is crushing it. What a life for Carlos. Thank you, Lord.

[B]

Lord. Thank you, Phil Collins.

[A]

I just saw a bunch of memes today about Phil Collins.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Where? They were like, hey, Phil, no, no big deal. Just, we have this movie. Just, like, make some songs with this guy. Raised by gorillas. Don't. Don't go crazy. Just raised by gorillas. It's like Phil Collins.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like.

[C]

He's like, how about you'll be in my heart? And they're like, jesus Christ. This is an animated film, sir. Yeah, Phil Collins absolutely cooked Genesis. Great band, his OG Band. Yeah.

[A]

I almost saw Jack.

[C]

You almost what?

[A]

Well, Jackie's family had tickets, and we had not been dating. We've been dating. Like, it would have been a little weird if I went, like, because I would have had to go to Pittsburgh to see them. And we had just started dating, so I didn't get to go. And they came back, and I was like, how was it? And they were like, phil looked old. I Was like, oh, damn. Okay, So I think I missed. I think I missed the boat. He did good, though.

[C]

Did he do in the Air tonight?

[A]

Of course.

[C]

Nice. He probably lip sync. You think he was lip syncing?

[A]

I didn't. I'm dumb enough. I didn't think about that.

[B]

I did. I just googled Phil Collins. He does look a little old.

[C]

How old is he?

[B]

He's 74.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Dude, I think my favorite videos on the Internet are the Frankie Valli concerts. If you have not watched those, you.

[B]

Have to watch them because you're super into elder abuse.

[C]

Elder abuse? What the fuck are you talking about?

[A]

Every time you tell me about this, I kind of forget what it is.

[B]

The ones where they wheel him out there so he can just stand there.

[C]

Oh, please. He wants to do this. He's making tons of money. I'm sure.

[A]

What is this again? What is this again?

[C]

Frankie Valley of Frankie valley in the four seasons. He's 91 years old, and he's out there at these shows. He's barely blinking, and they're clearly just playing recordings of his old music. And his lips are.

[B]

It's like backup dancers and shit.

[C]

It's like an animatronic robot stopped working, but the song kept going. That's what it's like. It's like you're at Chuck E. Cheese. He's like, oh, the thing's broke, but the song's still. The kid's like, wait, they're not singing. That's what it's like. They're unbelievable. It's crazy. I don't. I guess.

[B]

Is this, like a. What's the Disney ride where it's like, the pirates. Is it the pirates. No, not Pirates of the Caribbean. The Splash Mountain, where, like, all the animals and people are singing in the. In like, there's Frankie. There's Frankie Valley, too. Yeah.

[C]

Which. They changed the songs in there.

[A]

I believe. Believe.

[C]

And they changed some of the characters.

[B]

Well, I haven't been there in a while.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna.

[C]

They kind of modernized it, made it less, you know, culturally insensitive. I believe inside Splash Mountain. It's not elder abuse. Dk. You think that he's, like, under a conservatorship?

[B]

I'm. I'm kidding you. You're the one who said it. I'm pretty sure we could go back to holding a gun to his head. I'm just using your joke, pal.

[C]

Oh, really? Oh, then that's pretty funny. No, that's good.

[B]

Oh, then that.

[C]

Yeah, that's good. Oh, wait, it's elder abuse.

[B]

That's good. Seriously, though, let's go.

[C]

I I think he might be the oldest living performer right now. Find me an older one.

[B]

How old is Clint?

[A]

Email us atriver fantasy football.com if you can find us an older performer, an older singer.

[C]

Because Clint, yeah, he's directing movies, but I want an older singer who's, like, prominent enough where he, like, has people buying tickets.

[A]

Email us @ringer fantasy football.com Send us trivia questions on this and we'll take your Fantasy Clint.

[B]

Clint Eastwood's 95. He just gets older every time I look it up.

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