Week 12 Recap: Gibbs Goes Nuts, a Jameis Gem, Pickens-palooza, Fart or Shart Lamar, and Is DJing Easy?

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show – Week 12 Recap

Episode Title: Gibbs Goes Nuts, a Jameis Gem, Pickens-palooza, Fart or Shart Lamar, and Is DJing Easy?
Air Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly (DK), Craig Horlbeck
Episode Description: Week 12 NFL action, fantasy winners and losers, jaw-dropping player performances, the rise and fall of stars, and debates on everything from "old guys" to DJ life.

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Episode Overview

The Week 12 Sunday Recap episode covers the full slate of NFL games (with the Rams-Bucs game wrapping up as they recorded), delivering fantasy football insights, big-picture NFL takeaways, humor, and memorable tangents. Host trio Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck dissect breakouts and letdowns, reflect on star trajectories, and riff on topics like DJ careers and coach postgame speeches.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sunday Night Football Disaster: Rams vs. Bucs (00:41–09:56)

• Baker Mayfield Injured: Left at halftime, Rams quickly took a 21-0 lead.
• Teddy Bridgewater's Role: The guys riff on Bridgewater's bizarre NFL journey—former high school coach still somehow a backup.
• Rams’ Dominance: DK calls them the best, most balanced team in the NFL, with Stafford a “legit MVP front-runner.”
  • Quote: “They are very good...Matt Stafford has solidified his case for the MVP pretty strongly over the last month, month plus.” – DK (03:09)
• Rams’ Roster Construction: Praised for unearthing talent, especially late picks or “randoms” that fit and execute.

2. Rams vs. Eagles: NFC Juggernauts? (04:05–04:57)

• Heifetz predicts the NFC Championship will be a Rams vs. Eagles rematch ("winner will win the Super Bowl").
• Rams D compared to Eagles: both have D-lines loaded with young stars, but Rams secondary remains “just dudes.”

3. Veteran Excellence: Davante Adams & Matt Stafford (06:41–09:47)

• Adams’ physical craft and footwork stand out despite age.
  • Craig: “Good footwork doesn't go away… it's why guys like Keenan Allen lasted so long.”
• Stafford lauded as the most deserving non-MVP left in the league.
• Legacy talk: Stafford has a John Elway-esque late-career bloom; could win a second Super Bowl in his mid-30s.

4. Chiefs Top Colts in OT: Defensive Mastery (10:47–19:39)

• Chiefs come from down 20-9 to win 23-20 in OT; first double-digit Chiefs comeback since their SB win over the Niners.
• Chiefs’ D stifles Colts offense (Jonathan Taylor stuffed; Daniel Jones can’t get vertical).
  • DK: “Chiefs forced the Colts into three-and-outs on their last four possessions… Colts basically couldn’t do anything.” (12:07)
• Rashid Rice breaks out despite cramping—142 yards mostly on crossing routes. The hosts marvel at his open-field success.

5. George Pickens-palooza: Cowboys Comeback (20:27–26:25)

• Pickens electrifies: 9 catches on 9 targets, 146 yards, 1 TD.
  • DK: “Among receivers where the ball’s in the air and in a crowd, I trust Pickens more than anyone to come down with it.”
• Dallas erases a 21-0 Eagles lead, winning 24-21, putting clamps on Philly’s run game.
• Pickens likened to an athletic "cat," now positioned as a top-5 WR with Dak.
• Fun tangent: missed buses, "the restaurant" in Vegas, and Randy Moss’s Pickens comp (23:02).

6. Dallas: For Real? (26:25–31:12)

• Debate: Are the Cowboys true contenders? (Tough upcoming schedule, but vastly improved D, vibes on the rise.)
  • Heifetz: “Dallas quietly always competitive, always drafts well.”
• Coaching banter: Brian Schottenheimer hire now looks brilliant, furthering the “no one knows anything” theme.

7. Vikings, J.J. McCarthy, and QB Catastrophes (32:13–41:14)

• Minnesota sinks to 4-7 behind J.J. McCarthy’s historically awful performance—“second worst of the last 25 years (EPA), behind only JaMarcus Russell.”
  • Heifetz: “Every stat, he’s next to the biggest busts—Russell, Akili Smith…”
• McCarthy failing mechanical fixes, possible early "yips." Vikings QB room mismanagement dissected.

8. Giants-Lions/Lions’ Historic Offensive Outburst (46:17–55:31)

• Lions edge Giants 34-27 OT in a wild, 1,000+ yard game.
• Jahmyr Gibbs Explodes: 264 total yards, 3 TDs, most fantasy points by any player this year.
  • DK: “He’s on pace to set records… every stat puts him alongside Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Ladanian Tomlinson.”
  • Craig: “He’s the only guy, him and Josh Allen, where opponents know they’re just unstoppable that day.”
• Jameis Winston, now Giants QB, makes game fun again—“the perfect bad team QB.”

9. Jackson Smith-Njigba’s Breakout (55:54–60:42)

• JSN shatters Seahawks’ single-season receiving record in Week 12, on pace for 2,000 yards with elite efficiency.
  • DK: “No one knows what they’re talking about… he’s up there now with the NFL elite.”

10. “It’s So Over” for… (60:50–74:16)

• Chip Kelly (Raiders): Fired after loss to Browns, Shadour Sanders tepid in debut despite win.
• Trevor Lawrence (Jags): 82 turnovers in 71 games, uninspiring performance leaves DK out.
  • DK: “He’s just not good. Liam Coen was supposed to fix this.”
  • Craig: “He’s a blockhead.”
• Steelers: Craig's weeks-ago prediction came true—the team fizzled, and their gameplanning is ridiculed.
• TJ Watt’s sack count surpassing his brother’s “fakest stat”—context matters!

11. Fart or Shart: Lamar Jackson’s Funk (80:21–85:17)

• Lamar’s been fantasy-killing since injury (“fifth-lowest passing yards per game”).
  • DK: “Until he’s healthy, shart.” (81:51)
  • Heifetz: “He just doesn’t look right. If he gets through this Bengals game, maybe he turns it around.”

12. Other Intrusive Thoughts & NFL Musings (85:18–97:06)

• Kyler Murray: Now “too expensive,” unlikely to start for Cardinals ever again; where’s he heading?
• Aaron Donald: Still working out, could instantly return and dominate if he wanted (DK: “He was born to rush the passer.”)
• Fastest player in the NFL? Craig says it’s Kavontae Turpin, not Xavier Worthy or De’Von Achane.
• Gripe: Players tempting fate with poor ball security and celebratory runs.

13. Fantasy Burn Book & Lowlights (106:56–111:44)

• Week 12 Burn Book inductee: Rome Odunze (Craig: “Over double digit points twice in seven weeks… just not happening.”)
• Discussion: Should Justin Jefferson be considered "burned" given how bad J.J. McCarthy is? (“Every catch feels like a miracle now.”)
• Kyle Pitts and others get dishonorable mentions for their season-long letdowns.

14. Memorable Quotes & Running Jokes

• On Pickens’ circus catches: “[He’s] like a startled cat—just spring-loaded legs.” – Craig (24:22)
• “The Cowboys are kind of like the Vikings—quietly, always competitive.” – Danny H (31:34)
• “No one knows anything. That's the tattoo for fantasy football and NFL coaching.” – Danny H (60:07)
• “If you can't beat him, join him...” – Craig on drafting Gibbs next year (55:44)
• “I’m not against it.” – Danny H, when discussing burning Rome Odunze (107:55)

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Notable Timestamps by Segment

• Sunday Night Football/Rams dominate: 00:41–09:56
• Stafford’s MVP Case / Rams construction: 03:09–09:23
• Chiefs come back vs Colts / Rashid Rice discussion: 10:47–19:39
• George Pickens/Cowboys-Eagles / Dallas for real?: 20:27–31:12
• Vikings/McCarthy Woes: 32:13–41:14
• Gibbs/Lions offensive explosion: 46:17–55:31
• Burn Book & Lowlights: 106:56–111:44
• DJing: Is It Easy?/End-of-episode riff: 112:44–end

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End-of-Episode Tangents: Is DJing Easy? (112:44–end)

• After fantasy talk wraps, the hosts riff on the anonymity, appeal, and seeming ease of being a world-class DJ vs. being in a band.
• Memorable moment: Avicii’s “plug and play” college gig story (114:05).
• Consensus: DJing = great life, easier than it looks, but also “it’s probably a lot harder than we make it out to be.”

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Conclusion

This Week 12 recap is dense with actionable takes (Gibbs is a must-draft RB1 next year, Pickens is a superstar), warning signs (McCarthy is an all-time bust, Trevor Lawrence’s window closing), and classic RingerFFS banter (“No one knows anything”). Woven throughout are pop culture and football history references, signature irreverence, and a reliable “don’t take football or fantasy—and certainly not yourself—too seriously” attitude.

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Transcript

[Danny Kelly]

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[Danny Heifetz]

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyfus and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbeck. And we were going over all the games from Week 12 of the NFL season. We recorded this in the middle of the Rams Bucks game because, man, that was sad to go through all the games. And then, yeah, I guess that that's, I guess that is the show. So we're going to do that.

[Danny Kelly]

That's generally how it goes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But look, I'll tell you, stick around. We have a great show for you tonight. Daft Punk is here. Stick around. We'll be right back.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Danny Kelly]

Hail Mary attempts.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Looks like he threw his. His opposite shoulder out of its socket somehow. Even though I think it was already hurt before that. But still, the nail in the, in the coffin of his shoulder, that throw.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't really get biologically how that happened. But you know what? Baker is a warrior. And this looked like just what it was, really just sad. I just watched Terry Bridgewater get sacked. I'm like, this guy's trying to coach high school football. And like, they're like, you were paying for Ubers because you didn't want your kids to walk home.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I'm like, teddy being in the NFL is like a formality. Like, what do we. I feel like he shouldn't be a backup. I kind Of I was shocked to realize that he was the backup quarterback the Bucks. I was like, teddy Bridgewater still doing it?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like, he's a coach now. He's like a figurehead for. For what all backup quarterbacks are. He's literally an actor in commercials. As a backup quarterback actor in commercials. It's just like, very weird, the fact that he's still in the NFL to me. I don't know why.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, maybe because he literally won a state title as a high school football coach and then they suspended him because he was taking care of his players. He's like, fine, I'll go back to.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The NFL out there. He really does.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dk.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

As someone who basically hates the Los Angeles Rams because you're a Seahawks fan, I. Is it overreacting? I just feel like this game is the latest example. I really do think the Rams are just like the best team in the NFL and probably going to win.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You hate the Rams.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I don't really hate the Rams.

[Danny Heifetz]

I guess he hits the Niners.

[Danny Kelly]

I hate the Niners. Rams. I'm like, you know, they're. I. I can grudgingly respect them. They are very good.

[Danny Heifetz]

Of course.

[Danny Kelly]

And I think Matt Stafford has, like, solidified his case for the MVP pretty strongly over the last month, month plus. So, yeah, I mean, they're the most balanced team in the NFL. Both their defense and their offense are elite. They can beat you in so many different ways. They can run the ball, they can pass the ball. They have superstar playmakers on both sides of the football. They're the best coach, team, maybe in the NFL. One of the best front offices in the NFL. Yeah, it's kind of. Yeah. As a Seahawks fan, it is a little bit daunting to think about, but. But yeah, Stafford, absolutely. Just playing lights out right now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And they play good football. They play the type of football that my dad would text me about.

[Danny Kelly]

My dad texted me today and was 13 personnel.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I love the way the Rams play football.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I was like, you know what?

[Danny Kelly]

They do it the right way.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You got a gritt old school quarterback who just sits in the pocket and slings it. They got big personnel out there. They can run the ball. They can, like pressure the quarterback. They just do it the old fashioned way in the modern NFL, which is very cool.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Manual Forbes is in there making plays. He has like three picks in the last four games and he's breaking up passes. He doesn't even look that skinny anymore.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think is one half of a Darnell Washington just actually playing a very important role on the best team in the NFL. It's actually he's like 145. Between him and Tez Johnson they actually don't weigh as much as Darnell Washington. And yet they're in the NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

I just think Stanley. Sorry, not Stanley. Emmanuel Forbes who I was talking about flat Stanley. He is such the perfect example. He is. So the Rams this year in terms of just. They always are so good at finding these guys that just fit into their system. Like coach them up and go out there and make plays. They'll find these random guys either in the late rounds or on in free agency, whatever. Like all three of their tight ends are really good now. It's just crazy how they continue to like identify talent and fit it into their scheme and then go out and execute on, you know, offense on both sides football.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's very true. The Rams take these like random people. Like, I don't know where they find these guys. Matt Stafford, Devonte Adams, like these people we had never heard of.

[Danny Kelly]

They do both, man, to be clear.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, they fit so well. I will. Devonte Adams, though. It is actually insane how good he is at. I always want. He's. He's 31, right?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, 31. 32.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's 31 years old. Sorry, he's 32. He's actually turning 33 on Christmas Eve. I feel like he's going to be able to do this thing forever where he just.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is he just is going to be able to be released and be at the 1Tk. You texted us earlier tonight that Devonte Adams was like the goal line back for the Rams.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, he had so he did catch a 24 yard touchdown pass after I had sent that to you guys. But before that, he had eight touchdowns in five games. And in those eight touchdowns he totaled 15 yards combined. So it was just like all goal line stuff. He's basically so good at that. We've seen that all throughout his whole career. But obviously he has a very good connection with Matt Stafford. They know how to get him open. They know how to, you know, single him up and let him do his thing. He's just so awesome off the dribble.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kind of like getting open. Release receiver. Probably. I mean, probably ever, honestly. Or at least he's probably top five of all time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It goes back to my dad texting me about how the Rams play football. Devonte Adams is the same way. It's like he wins with footwork, you know?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's like not speed, not explosive. No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's Tim Duncan, 35 years old.

[Danny Kelly]

Post moves in the paint are the spurs, aren't they?

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know what I mean? Like up and under is pump faking. Dads love pump fakes. Like what devonte Adams can do with triple threat. Yes. It's all footwork. And that stuff does not go as you age. I mean, you slow down a little bit, obviously, but like, if you have good footwork that will hold on. It's why guys like Keenan Allen, like lasted so long. DeAndre Hopkins, stuff like that. Good footwork doesn't go away.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. And I mean, the Rams are unbelievable. Harrison even Harrison Meis. Our beloved Harrison Meis.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Thicker kicker.

[Danny Heifetz]

Giant. The thicker kicker.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I can't forcing that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know. Well are they forcing. He's pretty huge. He's a fucking massive guy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I guess, I guess he's forcing it literally. If Stafford wins the mvp, which he probably should right now, he is by far the most deserving player who has never won an mvp. To win an mvp right like left in the NFL right now. There's no other player that you think needs an MVP that doesn't have one other than Matt Stafford. Right. I don't even know who number if Stafford wins this.

[Danny Kelly]

Good question.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Because Josh Allen won last year that that got him his. If Stafford wins this year, I don't even know who's now on. Is it like Joe Burrow who. Who can't get through a whole season. I was like I don't know who the next oh they needed MVP guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is Burrow or Dak. But the difference is Stafford literally won a Super Bowl.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I. It's kind of a big gap after Stafford of like who is now deserving next. Like I almost feel like it's just going to be Mahomes and Allen and Lamar for the next five years until somebody kind of pokes through. I don't know who that Drake may. It's probably going to be.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Stafford's like LA glow up staff. The difference between Stafford's perception is twenties of this talented tough guy versus the thirties where he's like, oh, he's just one of the best quarterbacks in N Street. Just it was like it's honestly like a John Elway esque late blossom. Like if Stafford wins the super bowl this year and he gets, you know, John Elway, this is forgotten. But he actually won the two Super Bowls. He was like 36 and 37. Like it was less two years of his career. And I think this kind of reminds.

[Danny Kelly]

Me of Brady how he had like even if you split his career into two full like halves or whatever, he's. He's still the greatest quarterback of all time in either one.

[Danny Heifetz]

Brady won more super bowls in his 40s than Peyton Manning one. Period.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Tom Brady won a Super bowl after Peyton Manning had been inducted to the hall of Fame. Anyway, we don't have to get into Brady. There's enough Brady.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's a lot of Brady today that.

[Danny Heifetz]

We can too much about as well. Yeah. Anything else that we can get out of this game and just go.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean this game was another killer primetime game. We're. We're over last Six on Sunday Night Football.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't think I really noticed it till you pointed it out, Craig, but you're right that the primetime games even. Well, the Bills Texans game on Thursday was pretty good, but even that was like, a little ugly. But the Texans Thursday.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Thursday to me, does not count as prime time. No, it is Sunday night and Monday night, and literally we are. We're definitely over six on Sunday night. We're like one for five the last Monday night. It's been. It's been bad.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's like JJ McCarthy numbers, you know, one for the last 11. That's pretty. Let's get to winners of losers here. Craig, who's your first winner off the day?

[Craig Krolbeck]

My winner is the Chiefs. Literally, they won the game, which is very important for them. They needed it so badly. They. They beat the. The Colts 2320 in overtime. It was 20 to 9. They were losing 20 to 9 in the fourth quarter. They scored 11 points unanswered and then got to overtime, got the field goal to win. I have to give it to the Chiefs defense in this game, who completely thwarted or at least just kind of muzzled the Colts. It was weird. Like, Jonathan Taylor could not get anything going right. He had 58 yards rushing. It was a bizarre game because Daniel Jones took zero sacks. The Colts had zero turnovers, and yet they scored 20 points on 11 drives. Typically, they would score on average 35 points on 11 drives. Like, that's what the Colts are, right? Like, they're averaging over 3 points per drive, historic rates. They were just completely muzzled and. And the Chiefs just kept everything in. Ben Solak, our beloved Ben Solic, had a great stat that Daniel Jones did not attempt a pass of 20 plus yards downfield in this game, which was the first time that's happened all season. Like, the Colts would get these big explosive plays. You have Alec Pierce and you have Tyler Warren. There was no deep shots. They couldn't run the ball. It was all just like, little short stuff, even though there was no sacks. It was such a fantastic job by the Chiefs because the Chiefs offense once again, was not that great for most of this game. It was really messy, and they ended up pulling it out in the end. And Mahomes had like, actually like a great couple final drives.

[Danny Kelly]

That's what makes the Chiefs so dangerous. You know, in a field this year where it doesn't really feel like there's any elite teams, maybe you could say the Rams are the elite team in the NFL. But they have such a good defense, too, and they can Turn it on. I, I feel like sometimes you don't see it during the regular season, but once the, the playoffs come around, everybody start stepping up and playing a little bit harder. Chris Jones is a perfect example of that. But he was great today. They, I want to say the Chiefs forced the Colts into three and out their last four possessions. Yeah, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out. And I, I saw this. They threw one pass or sorry, they, they had one run in those four possessions. They could not run the football. They had to basically rely on the pass or maybe they should have run more and trying to break out. But yeah, the Colts basically just you know, fourth quarter on or you know, they just couldn't do anything.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fourth quarter in overtime the Chiefs had I believe over 250 yards of offense and the Colts I believe had 18 in the fourth quarter in overtime. It was believe it or not the first double digit comeback for Kansas City since the super bowl win over the 49ers. The second one. And it was also obviously the Chiefs like first win in a one possession game this year after they had like a 170 streak over the past few years. But yeah, Chris Jones was just collapsing pockets and also he was creating penalties. Like the Colts first drive of the game really died on, on, on penalties. A combination of crowd noise and Chris like false starts and Chris Jones I think you know The Colts had 11 penalties for 80 yards or something or more than that. But yeah, I mean Steve spagged a lot of great gameplay. They really held Jonathan Taylor in check. A lot of run blitzes where yeah, I mean in a nutshell Jonathan Taylor had like half the as many rushing yards as Greenhon. Jonathan Taylor had the fewest rushing yards of his season. He was hit behind the line of scrimmage and two thirds of his rushes which again was like by far the most this season or worst performance of the season for the Colts. But the Chiefs both interior with Chris Jones and then game plan wise really did kind of win the trenches in this game. But to your point dk yeah, it's true. It's like Chris Jones who really has in many ways the Colts the, the chief season is ebbed and flowed with Kelsey and Chris Jones. The week one Chargers game. Chris Jones on defense, Kelsey like had a drop near the end zone. Chris Jones lets Herbert go in that first game like, you know what I mean? Like those two plays kind of flipped the entire Chargers game. Chris Jones not, not sacking Trevor Lawrence when he trips on Monday night Football. And Chris Jones is standing still, as Trevor Lawrence goes in, Trevor, Chris Jones and Trevor and Travis Kelsey in particular, Chris Jones's effort has kind of ebbed and flowed for really years where he's an absolute dominant player. The first 49ers Super Bowl. Like he really should have been the MVP of that game, to be totally honest. And he has just been a dominant player and he looked like a dominant hall of Fame Mount Rushmore caliber defensive tackle today. And it shut down the Colts. But it really also to the Colts thing I think when they can't get on schedule with Jonathan Taylor, they're not setting up those shots and they're not staying on schedule and they're in more third and longs. They didn't look bad as much as they just kind of got got toward the end of the game, but it was an impressive game for the Chiefs.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's been a weird couple of weeks for Jonathan Taylor for people who have him on your fantasy team. Obviously he's been incredible the whole season, but the last three weeks he had six points, then the next week he had 48 and then this week he had seven. So you're probably one in two over the last two weeks with Jonathan Taylor on your fantasy team.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. Yeah, I have to.

[Danny Kelly]

Daniel Jones was 3 of 9 for 17 yards in the fourth quarter in overtime. And I think this is exactly what scares you about a team like this where, you know, obviously we've compared them to the 2007 Patriots, all these great offenses from all over the years. But the big difference is like I don't really still believe that they're a team that can play from third and long and have very much success consistently. And that's kind of like a lot of what happens in the playoffs. Obviously you. They are very reliant on staying on schedule. You know, Jonathan Taylor, explosive plays or whatever. But. But like when it really comes down to it, like on third long like this, this is the type of team you don't trust. Like that's like my main worry with the Seahawks and Sam Darnold. I'm like, obviously they're doing some incredible things on offense. But like on third and long, do I trust Sam Darnold? Not really.

[Danny Heifetz]

There's conversation. And then that's the Jared Goff Lions too, right? I mean that's kind of been the thing. It's like, oh, like. And that's. I mean, you know, if Lions fans get mad at me saying that is how defensive coordinate. Whether you like it or not, defensive coordinators view the Lions as get Jared Goff Every team that's third and long, but they look at it as we want to make Jared Goff play from the pocket. Like, they like the. Oh, who was the team that, like, kind of embarrassed the line slash. Oh, I'm forgetting it. But the point was they were like, we want to make golf play from the pocket. We don't want to be able to. And I think that that is a lot of these reclamation quarterbacks who are kind of on their second, whether it's Goff in Detroit or Darnold in Seattle or Minnesota or whatever. I mean, honestly, other than Bacon Baker in Tampa, I think that you see that with Daniel Jones and the Colts, where a lot of them are like, they're kind of operating these, like, Death Star offenses where everything goes well. But yeah, it's like third and 10. It's like they're not Matt Stafford in the pocket doing superhero stuff. It's not Mahomes. It's not doing crazy stuff, which, yeah, third and long. It's like. It's kind of like Tom Brady with the. Well, pressure with four guys, that's hard. It's hard to get them in third and long all the time. But that is the weakness of the team. And so when your team's able to do it. The only other thing I want to say from this Chiefs game is we always joke about Rasheed Rice and we're kind of like, dk, you've made the point of. I don't really get why other people can't do what Rishi Rice does. Why is he always.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I just. When you look at his route that, like, his route tree and the routes that he's running, he's just running these, like, crossing routes. And I'm like, why can't everybody do this? But he is obviously very talented, very explosive. He's got good size. I don't doubt that he's a good player, but it is just funny that when you look at the route, the types of routes he's running, I'm like, why can't it. Literally, there's like, I saw a stat from a different game, not today, but another game where every single one of his catches, he had like three plus yards of separation. I'm like, how.

[Danny Heifetz]

How can.

[Danny Kelly]

What is he do? What is he doing that other people can't do? I don't understand this.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think today was the most like, that game for Rasheed Rice ever, because he kind of hurt his hamstring at some point in the game or I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don'T know if he was cramping or he was cramping.

[Danny Heifetz]

He was cramping. So he was cramping enough that he couldn't really run at full speed. Like he, he wouldn't really take in the fourth quarter in overtime. You wouldn't really take contact. He was going down like he couldn't. And yet he had 142 yards in this game wide open. And it was all in the fourth quarter. It was all like after he hurt his hamstring or he's off street cramping. He probably had 100 yards. He had 90% of the yards on the way they went down to tie the game with the field goal.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The end of regulation, two crucial like 30 plus yard plays. He's like catching. It's always. He's just crosses over the middle. He's wide open 20 yards to run after it. I mean he's like big and fast and strong and he has good hands.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's good to be clear. Like I think he's a really good player. It's, it is one of those things that it's almost like actually like Travis Kelce. Why can't everybody do this? I don't understand why like they have to have Rasheed Rice come back and run these routes where they couldn't have done it with anybody else. But I mean it is, you know, it's, it's a perfect mixture of scheme and skill set and talent. Obviously he's a very talented player, but it always is just one of those things where like he's just running these little crossing.

[Danny Heifetz]

It looks like when you play Madden on easy mode or, or college football on the freshman mode where you're, it just if you bump up the difficulty, you're like you could never just throw to him all these times.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Also weirdly, like I love, first of all, I just love the way the Chiefs use Rasheed Rice because it feels like the Chiefs use him maybe more than any other team uses their wide receiver. Maybe outside of Jackson, Smith and Jigba. But the crazy thing about Rashid Rice is as good as he's been, he's been like a top three wide receiver since he's come back from the suspension. He's like the positive regression is probably going to come in the touchdown department. They give him the ball so much inside the 10 yard line. He has, he's like top five already in touches inside the 10 and he didn't play half the year and he only has three touchdowns is coming back. So I think that's even going to go up. His touchdowns.

[Danny Heifetz]

Another player. So, yeah, the Chiefs won this game. Sorry, we didn't.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And they needed to.

[Danny Heifetz]

They. Well, they did. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, the Chiefs, they would have been 5 and 6 if they lost this game.

[Danny Heifetz]

They would have been like 10th in the AFC in the play. Well, they still.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I believe.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, they still are, but they're. They're. They. They can get a wild card, but. Yeah, the Chiefs. Can they.

[Danny Kelly]

Can they lose and still make it at this point? Yeah, kind of went out.

[Danny Heifetz]

You can't win. Like, you can't lose.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Two thing about the Chiefs is they've lost to a lot of the teams that are ahead of them.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Already. So that Colts win was big because there's a chance the Colts could drop down to a wild card if the Texans keep. Right. Like, that's possible play.

[Danny Heifetz]

I was going to say Colts play at Texas this week. And the Texas defense was unbelievable on Thursday against the Bills. And they have 10 days to prepare for the Colts.

[Danny Kelly]

And they're.

[Danny Heifetz]

Obviously, we're watching this game very intently, so it'll be really. The Texas. That Texas Colts game will be a big deal. But, yeah, so The Chiefs won 23, 20 in overtime. And again, 11 point, fourth quarter comeback the other game here. I wanted to get to dk. Your. Your winner here, George Pickens, as our.

[Danny Kelly]

Beloved Ben Solak would say. George Pickens, man, this guy is so awesome. He's so good. There's people legitimately who are like, is he the best receiver on the Cowboys right now? Like, is he actually their number one receiver?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Tough.

[Danny Heifetz]

Many people are saying.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Many people are saying Pickens only needs, like, one hand.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. Come on, Pickens, pick. It doesn't even look like Pickens is trying. This is. He's kind of got the restrictions.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You could, like, tie his arm behind his back. He'd probably have five catches.

[Danny Kelly]

Still, the thing I love about Pickens is among receivers where the ball is in the air and it's. You can see it going into a crowd. Like, there's a couple defenders around. There's nobody in the NFL I think I trust more to come down with a fucking difficult catch than George Pickens. He just comes down with these passes in traffic that are so. The high degree of difficulty. There's no way he caught that right. Oh, my God. He came down with it. He got his feet in, too. Holy shit. So George Pickens obviously was huge today. Nine catches, 146 yards. Nine catches on nine targets for 146 yards and a touchdown.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Cowboys to pause you for one moment. Nine catches on nine targets. A. Monroe St. Brown last week versus the Eagles had two catches on 12 targets.

[Danny Kelly]

Right? The Eagles have really good corner. So he the Cowboys came back from this game, they were down 21 to nothing at one point and came back to win 24 to 21. They put the clamps down on the Eagles offense in the second half, especially their run game. But I think it's just fun to watch George Pickens and the other thing that I'm like kind of gloating about George Pickens in last week, literally last week he missed the bus to the game and that's why he had to sit out the first series. Like just the most George Pickens couple.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Of weeks they were in Vegas or the bus.

[Danny Kelly]

It was like CD missed curfew.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He and CD Were in Vegas.

[Danny Heifetz]

CD miss curfew. Pickens missed the bus.

[Danny Kelly]

That's what I. That's what the report is.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, they were out in Vegas, baby, living it up. They were like, beat the Raiders. Good restaurants.

[Danny Kelly]

Good restaurants in Vegas.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I love the restaurants. The restaurants. They must have had such a good time at that restaurant. Vegas. That's so cool.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They should call a strip club the restaurant.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, I think that's what the NFLPA head was doing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Where were you? I was at the restaurant last night.

[Danny Heifetz]

That was what Lloyd Howell, the head of the nflpa, was doing with his expensive.

[Danny Kelly]

On your, on your credit card statement it says the restaurant.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The restaurant.

[Danny Heifetz]

Honey, what are these? Why are you confused about my $800 car outside? That took me from 5 in the morning.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We had a few drinks, I got some wings at the restaurant.

[Danny Heifetz]

It says restaurant.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, my point is he's. He's worth a hassle.

[Danny Heifetz]

He is worth the hassle. They're going to have to pay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's unbelievable on the crazy hot scale. He's hot enough.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Pickens, I there's first of all on a Sunday countdown this morning, the Randy Moss, he was talking Mike Greenberg basically pulled this out. He said this at a dinner. And they weren't going to say this on the show, but Randy Moss, they asked like if you were who do you. Who what receiver reminds you most of yourself in the league? And Randy Moss was like, no one. And they were like, okay, but if you have to pick someone. And Randy Moss was like, George Pickens. And they were all shocked and ready. Moss was like, no, it's Pickett's. And then you. And I kind of had that in the back of my mind watching this game today. And the other part of me Just watching Pickens play. Do you remember being like, I don't know, what, five, seven, eight years old, whatever, and like playing for 10 football in your hallway, like, did you purpose or not?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Say six, seven, eight years old so we. So nobody would do six, seven. Is that what you think?

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you know? I think I was subconscious. Yeah, yeah. Remember being like 7 or 5 years old.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

But you just kind of playing football in your imagination, in your house or whatever. I feel like that's how George Pickens plays in real life. Like in my head, when I was seven years old, I could just jump higher than everyone and just catch the ball over triple coverage. And then at some point you have this moment in life where you can't do that. And George Pickens is like the only person who's just never had that moment that you can't just catch any ball thrown.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't remember when we, we thought of this, but the second one of us said that he's like a cat.

[Danny Kelly]

I can't stop saying, like a startled cat.

[Craig Krolbeck]

His legs are like spring loaded. Like, he can. He can just erupt out into the air in any direction. You know, a cat can. Just like they're facing you, but then they jump sideways. Like that is what George Pickens can do. He has this really bizarre physicality to the way he plays it. Like, I can't quite put my finger on. And it's what I'm so happy. I'm genuinely very happy for George Pickens. I'm happy he's out of Pittsburgh because I think people who watch the Steelers knew he was this good. The problem was, is he was making all of these acrobatic catches just out of bounds because the quarterback sucked. And now the throws are good, so he can actually do it inbounds. He was like, he's in the perfect.

[Danny Kelly]

Situation now because this is like a super pass heavy offense. Dak is going to throw it up to him. You know, they're scoring a lot of points.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it was like cute and fun. He was like the first 10 years of Matthew McConaughey's career where it was like, he's in rom coms. Well, he's good. We like Matthew McConaughey. And then he was like, oh, he can actually like win Oscars and be in Dallas Buyers Club and Wolf of Wall street and True Detective. And he's actually one of the best actors around. Like, that is George Pickens now where you're like, I think this guy's a top five wide receiver in the NFL.

[Danny Heifetz]

And CD Lamb's like, man, George, stop saying weird.

[Danny Kelly]

I just want you to stop saying weird.

[Danny Heifetz]

No. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like someone's memory of town and then fade. Are the memories fading?

[Danny Heifetz]

I know we have some, like, new listeners probably, but the. I feel like for Pickens's entire tenure, our joke was that if the football field was one yard wider, George Pickins would have the greatest highlight reel catches in NFL history. Even though he'd been in the NFL for, like, two years and going back. That sounded like a joke. But, like, I. He actually probably might go down with one of the four or five best highlight reel catches ever. Like, he really. If you look at some of those things out of bounds and now look at what he's actually capable of doing, you're like, you're right, Craig. You know, it was the quarterbacks. Probably what he's been doing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's such a good fit. I hope he's on Dallas. I hope he's a dak for the rest of his career.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dax said that at the end, he's like, we're not letting him go. And he's right. And also, Jerry knows this is box.

[Danny Kelly]

They can franchise him if they need to.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, they're gonna keep him at least at some point, but until then, it's gonna be sick.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ride the wave.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ride the wave.

[Danny Kelly]

Are the Cowboys good?

[Craig Krolbeck]

They might.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cowboys.

[Danny Kelly]

Is. Is Jerry cooking? Is this Jerry that's actually, like, better now?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is Jerry kind of. We're so back.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, we're so back. Jerry.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Jerry did that thing that you never do in trades, right? Like, he traded the one good player for a bunch of shitty pieces. Like, the thing we always.

[Danny Kelly]

And that actually worked.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's like, don't be the guy who accepts five players to give away one. And Jerry did it, and it's kind of working.

[Danny Kelly]

This was the worst run offense that we've seen from the Eagles this year. According, like, according to success rate. It was like 18% success rate in the run game. So they. They turned them one dimensional. Obviously, they got behind early on, and Jalen Hurts is making some big plays, but, I mean, they shut him down later and came back.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, we need to rewind for a second. The Eagles went up 21 to nothing, and they didn't score again. And The Cowboys won 24 to 21. This was crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you see Sal was tweeting in the second quarter? I think when they went down 21 to 1 or 21 to nothing, he was like. He's like, number one. I hate everybody who tried to Convince me that the Cowboys could win. And number two, I didn't believe you or something like that. Then they came back and won. I can't wait to listen to what he has to say about this game. Are you guys. So, yeah, like, are you guys. The believers of the Cowboys might be real contenders here or was this just like a weird divisional game?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, I think the problem is, is that if you look at who the Cowboys play the rest of this, they have an incredibly difficult schedule. They play the Chiefs next week, then they're at the Lions. They played Minnesota, they play the Chargers. So it's like, I do think it's going to be very hard. But yeah, I think this team was always a little bit better than their bad record suggested this whole season. Right, Heifetz, wouldn't you agree? Like, I think the, The Cowboys are a.500 team, give or give or take away.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think the defense, I mean it again has four or five new players that weren't on the team two weeks ago that are making a little bit of difference. The offense is hitting a stride. I, I also not to be all mushy, gushy, but the post, the Marshawn Nealon thing, I don't know. Sometimes, like, you know, sometimes light shines upon teams in certain moments. And also the Eagles, frankly, Philadelphia is a godless place anyway. So I think that maybe there's just like a misalignment in, you know, did.

[Danny Kelly]

You see Schottenheimer was ripping off Pete Carroll in the post game speech to his team? He did the whole can you win in the first quarter? No. Can you win in the second quarter? No. Can you win in the third quarter? He's like, we did spot him 21 points, but when in the third quarter? No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can you win in the shot? I got to tell you guys, I think there's a. How much fun did we make of the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottheimer?

[Danny Kelly]

I like shoddy we.

[Danny Heifetz]

I got to tell you, the hit rate on when we make fun of a head coach being hired is those coaches probably hit at like 80 or 90% and the coaches we love probably hit it like 10 or 20%.

[Danny Kelly]

Hey, it wasn't just us. Jerry was embarrassed to announce.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jerry was embarrassed. But we always talk about quarterbacks of like, no one knows anything. Coaches. Oh my God. Think it just. Just to Nick Sirianni, who we made a lot of fun at his opening press conference. And then the Rock Paper Scissors, one.

[Danny Kelly]

Of the greatest coaches of all time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Literally up there, you know, Dan Campbell, few Coaches have been mocked more at their opening press conference than Dan Campbell. And then add Brian Schottenheimer to the list. Like, if you just look at coaches, like, if people are like, love this hire usually sucks. Hate this hire often. Very good. That's all.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Once again, Jerry knows what he's doing.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jerry, he's cooking right now, dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Who's cooking?

[Danny Kelly]

Do we have Ikea today, by the way? There was, it did seem like there was at least one play in this game where he was, I think CD was blinded by the sunlight and he.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, there was only one because they knew where it was.

[Danny Kelly]

He, like, looked. He's like, pointing towards the, towards the sun. Get one in there.

[Craig Krolbeck]

CDs pissed. He's like, actively getting market corrected by his own teammate. He's, like, freaking out.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig, this is the opposite of what you were worried was going to happen. Is that, yes. CD Lamb is going to get 18 targets a game and Pickens is going to freak out. No, it's, it's Pickens getting all the targets, all the glory, and CD is.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Dax going out to dinner with Pickens now at the restaurant after the game.

[Danny Kelly]

They're going to give picking CDs money.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, they already gave the money, but. No, but it's true, though. Not to make it about the one thing, but the CD had some bad drops in this game again after he had the bad drops in week one and the loss versus the Eagles and then third and nine, he had a big drop and then in the goal. It was great coverage from Cooper to Gene, but honestly, it felt like the game was on the line and Cooper and CD Couldn't bring in a touchdown over Cooper Dean. And then one drive later, George Pickens is like, leaping over Cooper de g like a cat and bringing it down. And like, that kind of was. The game was like, George Pickens made a play on Cooper, De Jean and Reed, Blake and Chip and CD Lamb couldn't. And like, that was kind of the game. So. No, I, I, I, I totally agree. But yeah, the Cowboys, they're, they're. And also Dak Prescott passed Tony Rumba for career passing yards. There was a lot of that today. Just like players passing.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Random people.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Also, can I just say you guys might disagree with this? I think I enjoy when the Cowboys are good.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think so.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I understand why you wouldn't feel that way.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, you know what's weird? They're always good. The Cowboys haven't. The Cowboys have had three bad seasons in our lifetime.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There was a Stretch here recently where it was like they had the most wins besides the Chiefs over, like the last five years or something.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the Cowboys are kind of like the Vikings, where quietly, always competitive, always in the draft.

[Danny Kelly]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, they draft really well. Like, I mean, the Vikings have more, like, heartbreaking.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And who's their gm? Dallas.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it's not really. Jerry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Good point. No.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I mean, the buck stops. It's kind of cooking. He's not the one scouting all the players.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know what he does, though, is that they come up to him. It's like the Schwarzenegger character in the Simpsons movie. They just like, show him three scouting profiles. He just looks at the photo and goes, number three.

[Danny Heifetz]

I can't read. Not to read.

[Danny Kelly]

That's Jerry.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's like Tyler Booker. I like him. Like, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

God.

[Danny Heifetz]

Speaking of the Vikings, though, my God. My loser is J.J. mcCarthy in the Minnesota Vikings.

[Danny Kelly]

We got a new Kenny Pickett. Facts.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is. This is where. Oh, yeah, the Kenny Pickett.

[Danny Kelly]

Every stat you see for J.J. mcCarthy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is, dude, the Vikings would make the playoffs with Kenny Pickett right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh, yeah, the Vikings. I. I mean.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Danny Heifetz]

So the Vikings lost to Green Bay today, 23 to 6. It was never competitive. Well, it was competitive in the first half, but J.J. mcCarthy completed 12 passes for 87 yards. And watching the game, I actually. That was higher than I thought. The Vikings were down four points at halftime. So it's very, very winnable game. Four points at halftime. And then at that point, the Vikings offense has. In the second half, the entire second half. Minnesota has three punts, two picks, gains one yard. Not great. So updating what I was talking about with you guys on Friday, JG McCarthy now ranks 851 out of 852 quarterbacks since 2000. In EPA per drop back. 852 quarterbacks qualify like qualifying passers. And he's second to last out of the 852. The only quarterback behind JJ McCarthy to EPA per drop back in the last 25 years is Jamarcus Russell.

[Danny Kelly]

Notorious, like, bust of all time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Literally the worst bust in the worst draft pick in the history of the NFL.

[Danny Kelly]

You couldn't say that. You couldn't just say the worst bust of all time, could you?

[Danny Heifetz]

No, I just. I. The biggest thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm like, I'm not the largest bust of all time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I just. I don't know how you say that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

DK right now, you're starting a team.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

JJ McCarthy or Shador Sanders, Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

You beat me to the punch. You beat me to the punch.

[Danny Kelly]

This is the best question I've ever been asked. Well, considering. Considering we're like borderline worst of all time in terms of the statistics I've seen from jj, I'm probably going to go with shitter.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Really?

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean, shoulder played better today.

[Danny Kelly]

Tools wise. Tools wise. And this is like why I think people liked him in the draft. J.J. mcCarthy's more impressive, but like legitimately, some of the stats we've seen are among the all time worst ever. It's like good. He's like Nathan Peter Meyer, the Dante Koplowitz. Fleming sent me this. He's the first player with nine interceptions and fewer than nine pass touchdowns in six career games since Nathan Peterman. You remember the infamous Nathan Peterman.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The wrong nine came out the wrong nine.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. No, it's, it's.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's. And again, every stat you look at legitimately not. It's hard to come back from this. It's hard to come back from what he's done.

[Danny Heifetz]

The stats. And again, I. The stats aren't everything, but there are a lot of stats that are EPA per play, expected points added per play, or adjusted net yards per attempt, whatever you want to pick. These are the best quarterback stats we have. They roughly match the eye test. Sometimes it's not a quarterback, it's the offense when the quarterback is the guy. But overall, these are very descriptive stats. These are stats where the top are 2013 Peyton Manning and like 2007 Brady and the best quarterbacks ever and the guys at the bottom. And I go through every stat, pick one, I'm looking at every qualifying passer in fucking since 2000. You look at like success rate out of the 852. All these stats are out of 852 in success rate, which is just how often you're moving the chains. McCarthy's 844th between Brandon Whedon and Josh Rosen. Touchdown interception radio. He's 830, which is between Ryan Leaf in 2002, David Carr, which was an expansion Texans, they were an expansion team. Passer rating, just pass A rating is 847 behind Jimmy Clawson. Like Achilles, like he's buying just an eight yards per attempt. He's again only head of jamarcus Russell behind Achilles Smith. Every stat you pick, he's surrounded by literally like the worst draft picks of my lifetime, which are like Russell and Kelly Smith and Josh Rosen or the worst offenses I've ever seen. Like the winless Cleveland Browns and the Colts tanking for Andrew Luck. Like these offenses are significantly better than the vikings of image AJ McCarthy. And with that said, I don't even know if that's the worst part. I think the worst part is that Kevin o', Connell, the head coach who is famously a quarterback guru whisperer who has fixed other players, is giving crazy detailed breakdowns last week about the mechanical tweaks J.J. mcCarthy needs to make, specifically how his feet needed not be so goddamn wide. Your feet can't. You need to be within your shoulder frame that he's throwing so inconsistently because his feet are too wide when he's letting go the ball. And to me, the worst part isn't the stats. The worst part is if you watch all the mistakes JJ McCarthy made today, it was because he didn't make any of those mechanical fixes. The inner the he's sailing. He threw a screen pass Anthony Richardson style out of bounds. He threw a pass to Justin Jefferson on a third down before halftime. Out of bounds. He is the interception. He had his feet. The first pick was he got hit while he was thrown. But his feet, he looks like he's doing split. His second pick, his feet look like he's doing split. He didn't make any of the mechanical tweaks, which at that point either he's not able to fix this stuff during the season, clearly because Kevin o' Connell's saying it publicly and he still can't do it or this guy has the yips. But it is actually crazy concerning. He made zero progress with any of the things they're trying to help him with.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, that's the problem with when you're trying to make mechanical tweaks to the form that someone uses, which is something that's just very sort of a natural thing. Like it's very hard to make mechanical tweaks to anybody's like swinging form, throwing form, shooting form, whatever. Especially and especially go the first time it goes is when you see pressure in your face and you just revert back to sort of whatever the base way that you do things. And guess what? Guess who he gets to play next week.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Seahawks. Dude, do you play what the Vikings do?

[Danny Kelly]

This is what this is a great question. What do the vikings do with JJ McCarthy at this point?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, they're back. This is another one. This I don't. I'll never understand NFL teams is lack of. No one invests in the quarterback room anymore. Like when like Matt has Vikings did last year. They did, but then they let Daniel Jones leave and Then Sam Darnold leave and they had JJ McCarthy who had never started a game. And instead of having a, I mean I understand Carson Wentz got hurt, so that's bad. It's also strange choice of, of all veteran leadership to have Carson Wentz who famously wouldn't help other players. But I, I guess, I guess I'm being hard because Carson Wentz is after the season. But they, the Vikings are stuck with Max Brosmer, who we thought was like a fake person. I mean this guy, Max Brosmer, what college did he go to again?

[Danny Kelly]

That man is not real.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's, yeah, he went to New Hampshire, this guy and then he transferred to Minnesota last year. But it's one like he spent four years as quarterback at New Hampshire. Should he play over Darnold at Seattle?

[Danny Kelly]

Legitimately, the question is, do you, what are we risking, sorry, J.J. mcCarthy, if you start J.J. mcCarthy as a Seahawks, is it worse than benching him like in terms of his long term mental outlook? Because that's the worry now is that you're continuing to force him to have all this media scrutiny. Exactly. What we're doing right now, which is talking about how every stat that you see from him is among the worst of all time. Like legitimately, like Kaifet said, like every one of the stats you look at, he's like grouped together with all the all time quarterback busts in NFL history.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's only ahead of jamarcus Russell in the best two quarterback stats we have.

[Danny Kelly]

So what do you do?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think you play him.

[Danny Kelly]

I think you probably have to, but.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think you just have to ride this out. Like you play him, you play him for as many games as you can this season. And if it's that bad, you have more data that you can then make a decision to perhaps move off of him sooner because you've seen him play more.

[Danny Heifetz]

I gotta tell you, if I'm the Vik, I mean it's too bad because they're, you know, the record is a little off I, the record, The Vikings are 4 and 7. They're not making it 5 and 6. I'd be like sign Derek Carr out of free agency. I guess you actually can't even do that because the same genres, I guess. Yeah, I, I, this is, I mean statistically, objectively, it's about as bad as it gets. And again, it's one thing for him to be.

[Danny Kelly]

The eye test isn't any better, by the way.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, it's awesome.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He looks like Uncle Rico back there. Just like winging balls, not knowing where.

[Danny Heifetz]

He'S going, he has no idea what's happening. Solak made a good point that once the script is over, the first 15 plays, he's a mess, but he is that. It's. Look, he's never played before. He didn't play that much in college. He didn't throw much in college. And my favorite meme is someone has a thing of a guy, like, at a subway stop, the train stopped. And a guy, like, pretends to start, like, moving the train and moving the subway. And they're like, that's J.J. mcCarthy on the Michigan national championship team.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It is funny, man. Like, if you. If you. If you brought somebody in who had no idea what football was and you had to, like, start from scratch, and you're like, hey, you got to pick a quarterback in college who's going to be good in the pros. I feel like the first thing they'd ask is, like, well, who's, like, played the most? Like, who's thrown the most? Who's the most experienced? You know, like, when you apply for a job, like, are you experienced? How long have you been working in this industry? How many throws have you thrown? How many paths have you thrown? It's just funny how.

[Danny Kelly]

Have you ever talked to a client?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think.

[Danny Kelly]

I think the problem is, are you just really charismatic?

[Danny Heifetz]

I think the problem is that clearly quarterbacks. Some quarterbacks need an. I guess really, probably all quarterbacks need an apprenticeship. And there's a weird moment in quarterback development. We'll talk about this more at the draft show. Like, and for those who don't know, we. We do the whole year. Stick with us the whole year. We cover the playoffs. We cover the free agency. We covered the draft. DK's are draft expert here at the ringer. Like, and we're going to talk about this a lot with quarterbacks, especially because of the Anthony Richardson effect with nil and all these guys are going back to school. All quarterbacks need to apprentice somewhere. It used to be in the NFL where it was normal to sit for a year or two. It was normal to go to college and sit for a year or two, and then you go to the NFL and sit for a year or two. And the contract structure now at the NFL, the incentive is you want to get the quarterbacks to play well while they're young. But what that does is you kind of turn into a wood chipper where teams are trying to play young quarterbacks, but they didn't play that much in college, and now they're not playing that much. And it's like literally the why is J.J. mcCarthy playing? Is it because he's ready? No, it's because Sam Darnold was expensive and JJ McCarthy was cheap. And so I think that what we're learning is, you know what? Some things cost more than money. And while Sam Darnold at 40 million was expensive, wasting this year is probably a lot more expensive to Minnesota than the $31 million that they're going to save by not having Sam Donald be the quarterback.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know, it's tough. Like, obviously right now it's so clear that they made the wrong decision. Obviously, they should have kept Sam Darnold. However, in the moment, it was a tough call. Like, there was. It was not a clear answer to me or anybody I talked to. It was a. It was a big argument of, like, what do you do? I really think it was like an unlucky situation that they happened to bring in Darnold and he was so good and clicked so well in the offense and through 35 touchdowns. And then you have to give him all this money. But you took a guy with the 11th pick, assuming that Darnold would just be the bridge. Like, I do think it is a uniquely difficult situation that, like, it's not their fault. It just was unfortunate and they made a call based on, like, look, we're going to go with the young guy we drafted in the top 15.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes and no.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I can look back and be like, I get why they did that.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes and no. Unambiguously. It's a difficult decision and it's hard. I think the difference is the reason we gave the Vikings the benefit of the doubt is, well, Kevin o'. Connell.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Is the guy who made Sam Darnold like, resurrected his career. And Kevin o', Connell again, like, little things, too, like having Josh Dobbs show up and not know any of the plays. And two days notice and he's like, wins the game versus the Falcons with Josh Dobbs, who just got in there like 24 hours earlier. Like, Kevin O' Connell clearly is literally like an amazing. Other quarterbacks.

[Danny Kelly]

How we would his stats be without kennel.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know. And so we gave him the benefit of the doubt because they knew more about the situation than anybody else. And so if they're letting Darnold go, there must be a confidence in. But now Joe House was all over this when he was making fun of this reporting of talking about how about how like Kevin o' Connell was like, I spent an hour a week with JJ McCarthy last. Last year, and it's like, that's not much time. That's. That's an hour a week is not enough.

[Danny Kelly]

What if you said, I spent an hour a week with my son? We're like, you're a fucking deadbeat.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's, it's. It really, like an hour a week, McCarthy. I mean, just for example, Mahomes. When the Chiefs had Mahomes, they hired Brad Childress, who was formerly a head coach in the NFL. And Brad Childress, his entire job was to spend all of his time with Mahomes and teach him the offense. They had an entire guy just for Mahomes. And so, like, literally, they had a translate. Anyway, the point.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought this would work. I thought it would be. I thought it'd be way better than this.

[Danny Heifetz]

So clearly they did too.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But you didn't think he was going to be maybe the worst quarterback in the history of the NFL?

[Danny Kelly]

I did not.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, dk, that's pretty embarrassing for you because if you go pull the tape up from 2024, when they took him, I was like, this guy's going to be like jamarcus Russell all over again. This episode is brought to you by United Airlines. Flying just got easier with the United Airlines app. Get real time flight updates like a live countdown clock to boarding even if your screen's locked, as well as play by play directions through the airport with a personalized map. And if you want to make a game time decision and go home early or stay longer, there are no fees to change your flight. Get the united [e-mail] app no fees to change your flight. Excludes basic economy applies to flights originating in the US Fare difference may apply. Don't miss the movie event of a lifetime. Visionary director James Cameron presents the greatest chapter of the biggest saga of all time. Avatar, Fire and Ash now playing in theaters. A new threat will rise in the character of Varong, who leads the ruthless Ash people. And a stunning new discovery will threaten to change the world of Avatar forever. Avatar, Fire and Ash now playing in theaters, IMAX and 3D screens everywhere. Get tickets now. The I am become death Oppenheimer award for player who went nuclear today. Man, I think we got a Giants Lions was unbelievable. Giants Lions. Really weird for me because it was really fun and entertaining.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Throughout.

[Danny Heifetz]

Lions beat the Giants 34:27 in overtime. There was a thousand yards of offense in this game.

[Danny Kelly]

Hell yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

This was a. This was like an old School Big 12 game. Jameer Gibbs had 260 yards from scrimmage, 55 or 50 fantasy points, depending on your scoring. Wando Robinson had the most receiving yards in the first quarter that any receiver has had in any first quarter this year. This game had the most 20 plus yard plays in the first half of any game in any half all year. And James Winston had 10 passes of 20 plus yards, which is the most 20 plus yard passing plays in Giants history going back to when they started tracking it in 1991, which is probably means the whole franchise history. But I think this was actually like a pantheon Jameis Winston game.

[Danny Kelly]

It was a classic. We were texting during the game and Heifetz was like, I am absolutely loving the James Winston experience right now. I'm just like, just wait. Just.

[Danny Heifetz]

He hit a fleet. I told you guys, like, this is perfect because when Russell Wilson played, I wanted to die. And then they. It was hopeless. Literally hopeless. Jameis Winston's nothing if not hope. But they're 2 and 9 and at least when they lose now, it's not excruciating. It's pretty cool. And then they lose the game and so they don't fuck up the draft pick.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's right.

[Danny Kelly]

Kind of a win. Win for you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I can pick in the draft right now. Yeah. Russ is like a depressant. And then Jameis is like an upper. It's like either way you're going to the wrong place. But at least the upper. Yes, some fun.

[Danny Heifetz]

Exactly. That's. Yes, that's exactly what. Yeah, he's an upper. James. 366 yards, two touch sense and a pick. And the play of the day, probably a top five play of the entire year, which James Winston catching a 33 yard touchdown and sending this poor Lions linebacker, Derek Barnes into the fucking shadow realm.

[Danny Kelly]

God, he's gonna get on so hard in film study after that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Every part of this play was improbable. Like none of it like the handoff to is it. It was Gunner gun. The like reverse handoff to him was like weird. They broke down immediately. He like was supposed to throw but had to turn and like avoid tacklers. I thought he was then just going to run it. But then he still throws it to Jameis who's like covered and not open.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Jameis is like wide open because he's beat the guy. But then Gunner can't. It took so long that he can't throw it that far anymore.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yes. But then sometimes like the throw is so unexpected. You almost like he almost like threw him open because the corner didn't know what was going on. Jameis catches the ball and he's like.

[Danny Heifetz]

Shed him like Spins.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He like he's running like one mile an hour. Unfucking believable play.

[Danny Heifetz]

And he spins and you think he's going to go down at the the two or the one and he just stands and so he ends up triumphantly standing at the one yard line and he just kind of does like the finger roll into the end zone. And I'm like, this is like the most joy. Oh my God. I just would.

[Danny Kelly]

So after lose, after blowing this lead, do they bring day ball back? Because they're like, sorry, actually it wasn't your fault.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, it's funny.

[Danny Heifetz]

We complain Brian Dable play. What the fuck are you talking about? To get. Why was Brian Dable playing Russell Wilson over James?

[Danny Kelly]

Calm down.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Jesus Christ.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm so mad.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just can't believe we were all mad at day ball for, you know, putting Jackson dart in harm's way. Meanwhile Kafka comes in, starts throwing to Jamis. What are we doing? If he, if they get the Jackson dart, we'd be mad.

[Danny Heifetz]

Oh my God. Yeah. Well, maybe Dart's gonna play receiver. Jameis Winston can just play quarterback. This is amazing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Jameis has to be starting like every year. Jameis just needs to play starting quarterback in the NFL.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who? I apologize. Someone.

[Danny Kelly]

He's the perfect bad team quarterback because they're he, he makes it exciting, but then they lose all the games.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know. Someone at the ringer said this. I don't know if it was you, Craig or Bill or shield or someone said that Jameis years ago that Jameis should be an NFL employee and be sent all time quarterback. Bad teams with cool players. Like he would have been sent to the Bengals this year with Chase and he should just work for the NFL and be. He's like an automatic quarterback in a flag football.

[Danny Kelly]

This is actually a pretty good dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Vikings right now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. Quarterbacks or teams with quarterback problems.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

You just send them the all time quarterback and then you can you get.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he's the band aid.

[Danny Kelly]

Until you get that guy. Until your guy gets healthy or until you hit reach a certain record.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, exactly.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Bandaid James Darton Dart is back.

[Danny Heifetz]

Send James to Minnesota. That would be cool. James. I, I, I, I do think. I know I'm biased. I think the Giants have replaced the Bengals as the perfect fantasy football team and the most entertaining team. That's bad because the Giants run defense. I mean dude, Jamir Malik Neighbors was healthy. Guys, if Neighbors was healthy, that's like the Giant. They did this today and they don't have Neighbors or Scatter Boo.

[Danny Kelly]

It's crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I can't remember a time where a team has had more irrelevant, literally unknown players that like kind of deliver in fantasy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Isaiah Hodgins got to this team 10 days ago and is actually like a.

[Danny Kelly]

He's better than little Jordan Humphrey.

[Danny Heifetz]

Heifet dude. Jameis Winston was. Maybe Stafford passed him, but James Winston, entering Sunday football was the most fantasy points of any quarterback. Wando Robinson and Amanra St. Brown in this game were both top three most fantasy points of receivers. And then Jameer Gibbs had by far the most fantasy points of any running back today.

[Danny Kelly]

No, he had more points than any player has had this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's. Oh, that's pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

Including quarterbacks, including Josh Allen, who had six touchdowns in a game. Jameer Gibbs scored more points than that guy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Dude. Gibbs and Allen to me are the only two players in the NFL where particularly in fantasy, you can tell within the first quarter or two that this, this guy's unstoppable today. And there is like nothing anybody can do. And it is, it's. I don't feel that way about Saquon, about Bijan Robinson. It's only Jameer Gibbs and Josh Allen where it's like, I'm fucked. I played against Jameer Gibbs in two leagues this week and I was like, you just feel it. You're like, he will score like 350 yard touchdowns. There's nothing anybody can do. Same with Josh Allen.

[Danny Heifetz]

Gibbs finished with 219 rushing yards. He had 264 yards. So think about that for a second. There was a thousand yards in Lions, Giants, and Jameer Gibbs had a quarter of them.

[Danny Kelly]

55 fantasy points in PPR.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's unbelievable. You know what, Remind me, you know how last year I was like, I'm taking Jamar Chase next year. And then I didn't. Remind me. I will take Jameer Gibbs now. I need to have Jameer Gibbs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Jameer Gibbs we should tattoo on ourselves right now. Jameer Gibbs is the number one pick next year barring any kind of injury. Like Jameer Gibbs is the number one guy. And you know what else was interesting? So obviously the Giants run defense has not been great. The line, I mean the Lions offensive line was even in this game. There were points where the Giants were winning on passing downs, but they still opened up like the Red Sea. But I will say Jameer Gibbs, I think this season is at he's added power. I think it's funny to go back to the draft and think about how we were like, oh, can he run between the tackles? I think Jameer Gibbs is bouncing off of guys. He's running through tackles in a way.

[Danny Kelly]

He runs through arm tackles.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's the combination of he had multiple long touchdown runs today where he literally was untouched, but he also broke multiple plays because he was bouncing off dudes. And the, the fact that he is probably the fastest running back, I guess after Devon Hn, like, he's the fastest running back, but he feels like the most explosive runner.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's actually faster than Devon Hn's really, really fast. But somehow Gibbs is more explosive. Like the way that he just kills pursuit angles from defenders. Like, if you see him there, there's a lot of times where there's a defender that's pursuing him towards the sideline. They're running. They're both running towards the sideline and Gibbs just outruns the guy and just turns the corner and goes past him and scores a touchdown. I'm like, there's very few players in the NFL I trust to do that. It's Gibbs hn, I think maybe and then Jonathan Taylor. And in fact, Jonathan Taylor has the, according to next gen stats, the fastest. He's been the fastest ball carrier this season, but Jameer Gibbs is third, fourth and second, third and fourth fastest on other carries. He's just so explosive, you can't keep up with his speed.

[Danny Heifetz]

In the matter of one month, were you going to say Craig?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I was just. No, I was going to talk about how I can't and I can't believe how young Jameer gets, is 23 years old.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think in the matter of one month I went from wanting to bring this up and I felt like I was being a little premature and to like. But I think now it's okay to talk. I think Jimmy or Gibbs, we have to start talking about he's kind of maybe going to be one of the best running backs in NFL history because.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, he's on track to have a ridiculous amount of touchdowns.

[Danny Heifetz]

Every single list he is on, it is just Jim Brown and Barry Sanders and Ladanian Thomas. It is first ballot hall of Famers. It is, is the dad test. It is players that like dads, love and talk about and grandfather. It's just every single thing. It's like most touchdowns before turning 24. It's like Randy Moss and Rob Gronkowski and Jameer Gibbs and it's like just every list he has rushing yards and touchdowns and everything he's done is literally only inner circle NFL hall of Famers.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. And kind of in that like Ladanian Tomlinson, where super explosive, super shifty scores a ton of touchdowns. And I know that's high praise, but I mean, he has, this is a stat that was being thrown around today. He has 44 touchdowns in 30 in 43 games so far in his career. Barry Sanders had 43 touchdowns in his first 46 games. So he's already eclipsed Barry Sanders first three seasons in terms of touchdowns scored. Obviously there's other stats out there and.

[Danny Heifetz]

He didn't start as the starter like the beginning of his year. We were mad he wasn't playing.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

So I, Yeah, we can't say enough about Gibbs, but I agree, Craig, we should make that a memento tattoo now at the end of each year we kind of like tattoo.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you going to take him over Jonathan Taylor next year?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, I will, 100%. Because with the Colts. Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And that's how everything works. Right. Like you take the guy who was really good against you, it's like, I'm like, you know what, I'd rather just not have to go against him.

[Danny Heifetz]

If you classic warriors fan. Craig's like, if you can't beat him, join him. He's got the Kevin Durant.

[Craig Krolbeck]

If that means I win back to back rings after doing it, I'd be happy.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, you're right. Actually, we should just. That person who destroyed you in an important matchup, you should just take that guy. Just take that guy who scored 50 points. The other person we have to talk about today is Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Talk about all these records that got broke. Dk. I, I did. You know, this was, I think I had heard this and I went in one ear out the other that Jackson, like, I didn't realize this was going to happen this week. I kind of just thought there's no way that's true, but. In the middle of the Seahawks game, the Seahawks beat the Titans 30 to 24. Today. Jackson, Smith and Jigba broke the Seahawks single season receiving record today. It. It's week 12.

[Danny Kelly]

It is one of those things where it's like very obvious and very also surprising because of course he did. He's on pace. He's on pace for 2,000 yards this season.

[Danny Heifetz]

Usually you do that in like, I don't know, December.

[Danny Kelly]

I know. But yeah, I think, you know, obviously I wrote about JSN two weeks ago, so if you want to go check it out, it's still very relevant. Obviously he's like basically their entire passing game, more or less. In fact, I Haven't checked the stat in the last couple of weeks. But this hat tip to Scott Barrett who pointed this out. Jackson Smithy Jigba is first all time in you receiving yards per team pass attempt. So essentially like the percentage of your team's receiving yards, total receiving yards, he is first all time. Like he has more higher percentage of a team's passing yards than any other player ever. And he actually had 167 yards and two touchdowns today. The next closest player in receiving yards was ken Walker with 30 I think. Let me double check that. But it was like something ridiculous like that. And yeah it was ken Walker with 30 yards. He had 167. Next closest is Ken Walker with and.

[Danny Heifetz]

Once again immediately just had all of these yards immediately in the game and then the game is out of hand.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What's, what's his other record? He's like the first player ever to, to have 11 straight games at 75 yards or more.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I didn't see that today.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean that too but also just the other one. Again the yards per route run. So again Jackson, Smith and Jigba is on pace for 2,000 receiving yards. The record which is by far the record. And again the record is set by Calvin Johnson who is 1964 and that was a 16 game season. But he ran like 750 routes. And Jackson Smith and Jigba is on pace to break it on like 450 or 500 routes which on a per route basis Jackson, Smith and Jigba is like what, what is that 30 or 40% better, more yards per route than Calvin Johnson did when he broke the rate. Like Jackson. No one has ever had 4 or 5 yards per route run over season.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean yeah, he, Jackson's within Jigba, they haven't been tracking routes for that long. So it's one of those things where it's a little bit of an asterisk. But he is on, he's on pace to set the all time, the, the all time record which goes back I think true media goes back to 2012 or something like that. So he's on pace to be the best in terms of efficiency yards per.

[Danny Heifetz]

You'd have to go back to Jerry Rice in like against replacement players or like Lance Allworth on like the Chargers when it was like the AFL to find some shit. But here you go.

[Danny Kelly]

Here's a piece of context for you though. Like Calvin Johnson in his record setting season averaged 119.8 yards per game this year. Jackson, Smith and Jigba is averaging 119.4. So he's like very slightly behind in yards. And that's Calvin Johnson Megatron, the most like physically impressive player I've ever seen.

[Danny Heifetz]

A the player Calvin Johnson in my mind same to think about that Randy Moss is taking the lore in terms of their apex. Calvin Johnson's peak was higher than any player. Like how good Calvin Johnson was at his peak was better to me than Julio Jones, who's better than Larry Fitzgerald. He was better than Ready Moss. Like they had those players probably had more sustained things and Calvin Johnson had injuries and Lions were just like kind of a mess.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Danny Heifetz]

But Calvin Johnson to me is the best receiver I ever saw play football. And it's fucking insane to think that Jackson, Smith and Jigba who was seen another just chalk it up to no one knows what the they're talking about because I remember watching him play college football and thinking that Rose bowl and being like, well this is 347 yards.

[Danny Kelly]

Receiving in three touchdown or whatever it was.

[Danny Heifetz]

And then teams like didn't even want him in the draft when 20th they were seen. He's like, well, he'll never be an alpha. No one knows what the they're talking about. We have to get that tattooed on or something.

[Danny Kelly]

That's very true. That's true. That's very.

[Craig Krolbeck]

In all contexts of life.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, like I remember you guys asked me about JSM before the year and I was like, ah, I don't know. Like it's going to be difficult with Sam Darnold. What kind of passer is Sam Darnold going to be? I didn't know he was going to give him 50% of all the yards that the Seahawks are like, like amassing in the passing game this year. Like, I did not see that coming, obviously. I really thought, I thought he was good, but I did not know that he was this good. I mean he's legitimately, you know, I don't know if I'd say the best receiver in the NFL right now, like if I'm being totally honest. But like he's up there now with the elite, elite receivers.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's so over. We're so back. Have to start with it. I mean it's. We're so back for Shadur Sanders and it's so, so over for Chip Kelly the officer.

[Danny Kelly]

Literally over the Raiders. Oh, man.

[Danny Heifetz]

Chip Kelly got fired by the Raiders. Rightfully so. Because I mean and I this is the rate the Browns beat the Raiders 24 to 10. It was just an Absolutely pathetic game on the Raiders.

[Danny Kelly]

How many times did Geno get sacked?

[Danny Heifetz]

10 times. I, I, I texted you guys. Halftime. I was like, I think the Browns have an outside chance.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It was seven and a half, right?

[Danny Heifetz]

They had, they had seven sacks, I think like two or three minutes into the third quarter. And it just, none of them looked hard again. So the Browns, it's, the Raiders are, to me, like the worst team in the NFL. I think the rate by far. But the Browns, it's so funny. Shador Sanders, they won the game. The Browns had three touchdowns today. Now, was Shador Sanders on the field for the first two? No, they actually ran Wildcat. They decided they'd rather not even have shit around the field for the first two touchdowns. Was the third touchdown a screen pass? He threw like seven feet to Dylan Sampson, like 70 yards. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You could argue it was actually a run because it was almost backwards.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know.

[Danny Heifetz]

Probably was a run.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We don't need to do more on the Shador, like, he didn't play. There wasn't that much. He didn't look that he had the one deep ball. That looked great.

[Danny Heifetz]

He had two good throws, sure.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But like, okay, I agree. But he played the worst team in the league and hit like two throws. And still. What are we doing?

[Danny Kelly]

Just going to go get ahead of you on this one and say that's not what the narrative is going to be like?

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, no, I know. I just. Well, I will say it isn't. I just wanted to.

[Danny Kelly]

That's not what they're going to be talking about.

[Danny Heifetz]

The stat. It's funny. The Browns have stats you didn't even know were stats. The Browns last 17 quarterbacks to make their debut were 0 and 17. That's an under. That's a defeated season. They literally. He's the first quarterback to win his debut for the Browns since like 1995. And he's also just the 42nd starting quarterback for the Browns since they were reincarnated. Like they were added as an expansion. They were brought back in the NFL in 99. He's the 42nd quarterback to debut for the Browns, which, I mean, that jersey was so long. The joke with the jersey with all the names on it for the quarterback when Baker was drafted, like, he was 30th. That was not that long ago to think of it, you have 42 starting quarterbacks in 26 seasons. Anyway, so they won the game. Really. The Browns defense is crazy. The Raiders were pathetic. Chip Kelly, it's over. Shitter is back. I also had an intrusive thought in this game. I'm really mad at Miles Garrett for not leaving. I'm angry at him. Yes. I think Miles Garrett. So Miles Garrett's going to shatter the sack record this year, which is held by Michael Strahan, and it's tied Mark Gastonau.

[Danny Kelly]

What's he at right now?

[Craig Krolbeck]

8, 17, 18.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's so. In his last five games, Miles Garrett has more sacks than anyone else does all year. I think he. I think He's. He's at 15 or 17 now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think 17 now.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's the record, I believe, is 22 and a half. He's going to shatter this thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Also, TJ Watt. Doesn't TJ Watt have it with Strahan?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, TJ Watts died. It tied it with Strahan. And then Mark Gastineau, who from the jets in the 80s, is pissed he doesn't have it. The half sack. It's a whole thing.

[Danny Kelly]

But anyway, has 18 sacks right now.

[Danny Heifetz]

He is 18 again. He's 13 in the last, like five games. But I think at this point, watching him and realize, like to think about the Michael Parsons trade, I gotta tell you, Miles Garrett is so much fucking better than Michael Parsons. It's not even close. Miles Garrett is so good. And I think I was watching today. I know the Raiders are bad. I don't care. Every single game plan is just about Miles Garrett. Everything everyone does is about this guy. And he has 18 sacks in 12 games. It is unbelievable. And I think I realized today, I'm like, Miles Garrett is probably the best pass rusher I've ever watched with my own eyes. I never watched Reggie White at his peak or whatever. Miles Garrett is so much. I'm sorry. He's so much better than TJ Watt. TG Watts been more clutch. Miles Garrett is so much better than T.J. watt. He's better. That Steelerson's gonna kill me. He is better. No, he is. Julius Peppers. He's more talented. And I'm kind of mad that he fucking signed with the Browns for $40 million a year instead of, like, being traded and sorry to go make 33 million. The fact that Miles Garrett is going to just. It's like if. Oh, Tanya just stayed on the fucking angels for his entire career. And I'm like, I. I don't know, dk, my first of all, do you agree with me, dk? I think he's the best guy I've ever seen. And I'm kind of pissed that he's just never going to play meaningful football ever.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, no, I I totally agree with you. I think I was just reminiscing when you were talking about that. That when he was coming out, I wrote an article for the Ringer that was like, who's better? Garrett Wilson or, Sorry, Miles Garrett or Bradley Chubb? I'm like, I don't remember the last time I heard someone talk about Bradley Chubb.

[Danny Heifetz]

Bradley Chub is nothing. It's incredible. But Miles Garrett, it's like.

[Danny Kelly]

For the record, I said that Garrett was better, but nice.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Sick.

[Danny Kelly]

Nailed it. Nailed it. You mean the 6 foot 5, 275 pound alien is a good pass rusher? Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Every time you see Miles Gary, you're like, this is. This guy is. He was literally. He's like Michael Phelps. He was born to rush the rush. The passer. He's just built so absolutely perfectly for it. He's so. He's so both powerful and graceful and flexible. It's crazy what he can do on. He just makes everybody look so shitty. It's. It's one of those players where he makes everybody look like they're like a JV player or something.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Mount Rushmore is Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and Miles Garrett. All these guys. But yeah. Anyway, so Miles Garrett, we have an important. We're so back right here.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's kind of an obligatory we're so back, but A.J. brown, as soon as we were back, we will be. It will be over next week, but currently we are back. He had 110 yards and a touchdown. Look good. Cowboys rainbow strip. Of course, the Eagles lose when he plays great and they throw to him a lot. So now they probably won't the next week. But.

[Danny Heifetz]

Coincidence.

[Craig Krolbeck]

AJ Brown looked really good and I. I no longer think he's injured. And he looks super strong and great hands. Really sticky hands for a guy who's like so big and brute. Great hands on AJ Brown. Looks awesome. They lost.

[Danny Kelly]

I will say, because I think last week, Craig, or maybe it was high. Fitz was asking me, is he actually any good? And I was like, yeah, he's good. I mean, and we could see. We could see that in this game, right? Like, he's super explosive run after catch. And like you said, he's got really sticky hands, especially in traffic. Like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he's like. He looks like the Terminator out of there when he wants to.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

We should do a power hour later this year of players who are pissed when their teams win.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I actually like A.J.

[Danny Heifetz]

Brown. Kyler.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So I. I have A.J. brown in my home league. I've been watching him very, very intensely for the entire season. And so even when the ball doesn't go to him, I watch him just to see what he does for most of the season when the ball does not go to him. He's pissed. He's lackadaisical. You could see his arms drooping. He's like, looks like Snoopy walking down the street today when there were passes not going to him. He was engaged. Devonte There was a play where A.J. brown was open. They threw it to DeVontae Smith instead. DeVontae Smith got the first down. It was like an important play in the fourth quarter or whatever. I saw A.J. brown give the fist pump for his.

[Danny Heifetz]

Touchdown, and it's because he got a.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Touchdown, because he had 60 yards and a touchdown the first quarter. And you know what? Sometimes you got to feed your guys, Sometimes you got to feed your stars.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, they were winning 21 to nothing at one point when they were throwing to him, right then they stopped. This is what I'm saying.

[Danny Heifetz]

We're going to win. Jalen hurts is going to be like, I threw the ball and we lost. And in reality, it's like, you stop throwing and you lost is what fucking happened. Yeah, dk, we're so back and so over. Who is it? Who's it over for?

[Danny Kelly]

So we're so back for the Jags who ended up winning today. Okay. I don't know if it was like heroic fashion necessarily, but they won. There was this big Liam Cohen after the game. I. I've like, I've been watching a lot of post game speeches by coaches this year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know why, but they're more of the thing.

[Danny Kelly]

They are. I think. I think Schefter among a lot of people is like posting these post game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know why they're advertising for some reason.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think teams realize people because people fucking love them.

[Danny Kelly]

That's. Anyway, Liam Cohen basically in the post game speech was like, we're never gonna.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Fucking apologize for getting a W. And.

[Danny Kelly]

Then just look went on this like, long rant.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm obsessed with all the ways these coaches find like speeches that kind of gloss over the fact that they almost lost.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. They played like shit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can you win in the first quarter?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, it's hard to win in the NFL is the Jags beat the Cardinals 27 to 24. Congrats in OT. And here's. Here's what I was going to say about this. I don't like. I didn't think the Jags played particularly well. I Don't think Lawrence played well and I'm going to get to that in a second here. But the or the AFC south is like suddenly kind of interesting. We saw the Texans beat the Bills on Thursday Night Football. The Texans are really kind of fun right now. Their defense is fucking awesome. I don't know what their quarterback situation is. Davis Mills, I think went three and oh as the backup or two and oh, at least did he play three games or two games. Now I'm misremembering Mills. Yeah, three and oh there. Speaking of people who are mad when their team wins, there was someone was pointing out when they were doing the post game speech in the after the Texans game. Like C.J. stroud was just like in the corner, just like standing there.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, the Texans to the JG Watt arrow all over again where it's like the defense is like the best defense in the entire league and you're like, they're not going to make the divisional round.

[Danny Kelly]

But anyhow, so the Jags are now 7 and 4. The Colts lost today. The Chiefs, they're 8 and 3. And interestingly, Jacksonville plays the Colts twice still. They have not played them yet. So this like division is very much still up in the air. And the Colts also play the Texans twice this year. And that's going to be interesting because the Texas defense is awesome.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The whole division basically hasn't played yet.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So I just think I wanted to point out the Jags are still in this. Obviously the Texans are still in this. I'm less confident about the Colts now than I was. I think I have been all year. And so that's going to be interesting. I will say it's so over though, for Trevor Lawrence. Like I'm kind of out, I think at this point. I mean I was already on the borderline. I think I came into this year somewhat optimistic that Liam Cohen would help him figure some things out. Did you know that since he came into the league in 2021, Trevor Lawrence has more turnovers than anyone else? He has 82 turnovers in 71 games. Dead last.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, it's so funny you say that because I feel like he probably also leads the league in like turnover worthy plays that were not also turnovers. Like right, like the almost turnovers. He probably is also first.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, like defenders and his own players are just dropping all of his best.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, defenders shocked that the ball came directly to them and were too stunned to catch the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

He had three turnovers in this game, by the way. The Jags had four turnovers total and still managed to win.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know how, but he also looks so st. He. Trevor Lawrence looks so stupid when he turns the ball over. Yeah, shave your fucking hair. When he cuts the hair.

[Danny Kelly]

We need a Good. You have 82 turnovers in 71 games.

[Danny Heifetz]

Cut the hair.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think we need to give. Like, there needs to be the belt holder at each position for. It's so over, worse, so back for the most flip flops. Like, I think Trevor Lawrence is the current quarterback. It's so over worse. So back belt holder like, you. Every. Every other throw, you're like, I think I'm in. And you're like, actually, I'm back. I'm back out. And you're like, I want to buy back in.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

You are Liam Cohen. Kevin o'. Connell. Thank you. You're Liam Cohen. Kevin o' Connell calls you. I'm never going to apologize.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Can I be Kevin o'? Connell?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. Yeah, please.

[Craig Krolbeck]

All right, cool. Hey, Liam. What's up, my guy? Man, you were crushing it. Tampa. Really cool. See what you're doing in Jacksonville. Anyway, I just wanted to talk. What are your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence? Like, how tied to him are you? Are you kind of thinking of bringing in a whole new regime at the quarterback position? How are you feeling about him?

[Danny Kelly]

Who is this? No, I'm not. I. I'm never going to admit it publicly if I'm Liam Cohen, that Trevor Lawrence is not the answer. But Trevor Lawrence, he knows it in the back of his head.

[Danny Heifetz]

Trevor Lawrence, McCarthy. And three first for Trevor Lawrence.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, you know, we don't need McCarthy. Just give me the first third. The 33 first.

[Craig Krolbeck]

McCarthy. McCarthy.

[Danny Heifetz]

We'll just take the face. We don't want the pressure having to Play.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You keep McCarthy, we'll give you a third. How about that? So we don't have to have McCarthy.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Three first. 100 for Trevor Lawrence.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. Yeah, you probably don't have to give three. I probably two. You probably could get him for two first. Two first, though. Two first and a second. They wouldn't do it for two firsts. It's not enough.

[Danny Kelly]

I think my. My point, though, is more just like, obviously we know that Lawrence has been a very controversial guy in his career. Obviously, he was like the golden boy coming out of Clemson, all that stuff.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Stuff.

[Danny Kelly]

But even like, this year, his numbers are not good. I mean, he's like 30th in completion rate, 25th in yards per attempt, 31st in pass rating, 28th in EPA per drop back. He's tied for dead last in turnovers this year with 14 turnovers. Gino, Sam Darnold and two are the other guys that have 14 turnovers. I mean, this was like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We.

[Danny Kelly]

We. He was supposed. Liam Co was supposed to be the guy that kind of like, helped him figure this out. It's just not happening.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think about something Craig said two months ago about Trevor Lawrence all the time when I watch him. Craig called Trevor Lawrence a blockhead. I think about that 10 times a game when I watch.

[Danny Kelly]

He does just make plays.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he's just like. He seems like a very nice guy, but when he plays football, he just doesn't seem, like very bright. Like, that's not a thing. Like he has a full. He just, in the moment, just never does the right thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Short circuits, boneheaded decisions.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, he's a blockout anyway.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, Craig, who else? It's so over for.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's over for the Steelers. Finally, it's over. Sweet.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig, you called this so perfectly unbelievable.

[Danny Heifetz]

You said. Was it a month ago that you said.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it was after week six, the Steelers were four and one, the Ravens were one and five. And I was like, after 12 weeks, the Steelers and Ravens are both going to be 6 and 5, and the Steelers are not. And that's exactly what happened.

[Danny Heifetz]

Carlos, did you cut this? Do we have this?

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Dolphins, the Vikings, the Browns and the jets are the Ravens next four games. They're going to win all four of those. They will be four and over that stretch. And the Steelers play the Colts, then the Chargers, the Bengals and the Bears. Steelers are going to go two and two over that stretch. Both of these teams are going to be 6 and 5 heading into week 12. Six weeks ago, the Steelers were 4 and 1. The Ravens were 1 and 5. Now they're both 6 and 5. I. I'm almost happy they lost today because I. I was sick of the. Mason Rudolph is going to be better for the Steelers narrative. Mason Rudolph stinks. And the final two drives, they had the ball twice in the final four minutes and they didn't do because Mason Rudolph sucks. And I didn't want to hear how many times we have to see Mason Rudolph. Oh, he plays like one good series. And everyone thinks everybody wants to back up.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Who.

[Danny Heifetz]

Who are these people? Who this is.

[Danny Kelly]

I said it. I said it last week, dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

People were saying it on I won't name names now that people were saying it on television that Mason Rudolph was the answer for the Steelers offense.

[Danny Heifetz]

Are you talking about better than Aaron Rodgers? This season? Are you talking about better than Aaron Rodgers with a broken left wrist? That's supposed to be like better than.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Aaron Rodgers this season? It was, it was, I guess it was after Rogers, like I heard his wrist, I didn't know how bad it was, but people were like, oh, I just, I think the offense in general is just better with Mason Rudolph and Aaron Rodgers, which I didn't agree with.

[Danny Heifetz]

But anyway, it's like Mason Rudolph like in a burner.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's gonna be, dude, it's gonna be hard for the Steelers to make the playoffs. Like I really, it was a close game. I mean it was a neck and neck game. Like I, I think the Steelers could have won. I, it kind of could have gone either way. But I, I, I think the Bears were better and they deserved to win the game. And you look at the Steelers upcoming schedule, man, like it's not easy. Like they play the Bills, they play the Ravens and they're going to be competing now. The AFC is kind of, it's like 10 teams deep and I don't. And they're now going to be competing with the Chiefs, the Texans, the Chargers, the Jags, the Bills. All these teams are fighting for wild cards and I just don't think the Steelers are as good as any of those teams.

[Danny Heifetz]

The Steelers are just again, the Mason Ralph experience is terrible. The Steelers, they botched the tush push today. They like tried to do the tush pusher once. They actually went and then they, they both, they, they, they did the reverse thing which was cool where they got, got like a counter off of it and they actually got a great play. But then they also had a weird play where they tried to do the tush push and then they, they up the snap count which was kind of an ick. But also they got the Steelers TJ Watt touchdown thing. Like TJ Watt got a sack, knocked the Caleb Williams just still the pocket presence. Sometimes the awareness is just not there. But like T.J. watt got the ball and like they were able to get a touchdown in the end zone and like TJ Watt passed his brother for career sacrifice which is like also the fakest that ever because DJY was a fucking defensive end and JJ was a defensive tackle which is like 10 times harder. But no one talks about that. But the fact that they got the defensive touchdown and they still lost to the Bears. The lack of game planning from Tomlin, Mike Tomlin's week to week game planning is crazy because the Bears were down. We didn't talk about this on Friday but the Bears were down their top three linebackers today. Tremaine Edmonds, TJ Edwards and Noah Sewell were all hurt. Hurt. So the Bears linebackers, there's three starting linebackers for the Bears today, I believe combined in their careers had three tackles or maybe five tackles combined between the three guys. So DeMarco Jackson was the. Who has never really played in the NFL that much, was like the green dot defensive communicator for the Bears today. And he had. You would think that this is the epitome of a thing that Arthur Smith, who was a head coach in the NFL running the Steelers offense. I'm like, Tom can take advantage of. None of these linebackers for Chicago have played. DeMarco Jackson had 15 tackles for the Bears today and played. And all these guys played really well. And it's just strange to me that the Steelers can't take advantage of things like this. The Bear like, no. Sean Wright, the cornerback for the Bears, had another crazy interception. And I don't know, it's. It's a cool story, the Bears defenders and stuff, but I don't understand why the Steelers can't take advantage.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's, it's. It's arrogance. It's like. It's like, we do what we do. And you're like, okay, well, there's actually a weakness here that you could exploit. We're going to play our game. We're going to do what we do. If you look at Mason Rudolph's passing chart today, he didn't throw over the field once over the middle of the field.

[Danny Heifetz]

It just. I, that's the thing I don't get. It's like, this is your hand pick backup like Mason Rudolph has been with the team for years and years. I know he had the gap year to Tennessee, but it's like he's knows that he's been there. And in theory, how many teams are better situated to take advantage of. Of their top three linebackers being down in defense in the Steelers where they're, they're so ahead of the curve. All they have is John who Smith, who's Arthur Smith's preferred tight end, Darnell Washington, who weighs 311 pounds, and Pat Friarmouth, who was really good before those guys were there. You would think that no team would be better situated to drag all three of these inexperienced linebackers on the field. And just.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don't you, don't you think that if Sean McVay just had the Steelers, that the Steelers could maybe be the Rams right now?

[Danny Kelly]

Now?

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, they. Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's like, they have three good tight ends. They have a DK Metcalf, they have Rogers, who could probably do like a version of what Stafford is doing. Like, yeah, you could build exactly the Rams with the current Steelers roster. And the Steelers defensive roster is probably even more talented on paper than what the Rams have. It's ridiculous.

[Danny Heifetz]

The defense is probably better in la. But you're right that Rogers probably. You're right. Actually, Rogers probably could be doing a lot of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He gets all the tight ends. Funny, I was watching the games with some friends this morning and one of my buddy's wives, Emily, who doesn't know a lot about the NFL, she was just like, craig, how are the Steelers doing this year? And just without hesitation, I was like, the same they are every year. And she's like. Which means what? I said, they're fine. She said, why don't they try to do better? I said, great question.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's a really good question.

[Danny Heifetz]

But here's the thing though. So the Steelers play the Ravens next week and I got to tell you, the Ravens, what was even the final score of that game?

[Craig Krolbeck]

23:10, I think.

[Danny Heifetz]

23 to 10. Unimpressive win by the RA the Ravens didn't exactly run away from the Jets.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They look like shit the whole day. I.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, I think we might have to make time here for America's favorite segment. The Ringer Fantasy Football show presents Fart or Shart?

[Danny Kelly]

Ooh, that's gonna leave a mark.

[Danny Heifetz]

Featuring Cook a Crazy Craig and the Diaper Danny.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't like that. Stinky.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't.

[Danny Kelly]

The Diaper Danny's is pretty good.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't like that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I like that you. You guys got a name associated with going the bathroom and I just got crazy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Crazy, crazy. Yeah, that's. That's a L.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Anyway, could it be.

[Danny Kelly]

Like Stain Craig or something?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know.

[Danny Kelly]

Come on.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay. Daniel.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, me again.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I mean me again.

[Danny Kelly]

What?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Where you been? I just.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't want to do this anymore.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know how this works. Lamar Jackson. Daniel, for the first time in his career has had back to back games with zero touchdowns. He, since coming back from injury is the QB 22, which is behind Cam Ward and Gino Smith. Lamar Jackson, he has since coming.

[Danny Kelly]

Lamar Jackson, I'm talking about Lamar Jackson.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Multiple time MVP winner since coming back from injury. He has the fifth lowest passing yards per game, only ahead of J.J. mcCarthy, the Browns quarterbacks, the jets quarterbacks, and the Bucks.

[Danny Kelly]

The Bucks, yeah, it's been rough for the Bucks.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I wouldn't have guessed that it was tough today. Lamar Jackson fart or sharp.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay, so is until he's healthy. Sharp Shark.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay. Well, I don't think he's very healthy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Also this is important because Lamar's the only person Lamar's the only person we've had in far to shirt that's actually been credibly accused of sharding in and everything.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Incredibly, Pablo Torre researched that and found out.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you he did in fact himself.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I don't. We don't know that but probably no.

[Danny Kelly]

But my point is until he's healthy and back to himself like I. Yeah, he's going to continue to struggle. It feels like he just.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, they don't have a bye week coming up. They play in four days.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Should you consider.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Let me ask you this. You did, you did say sharp. But I want to dig into that and actually come up with like what you should do about it if you have. I mean a lot of quarterbacks that you didn't expect to be good are kind of good this year in fantasy there's been a lot of guys like Jackson dart. Who's a good example? Let's see if Jackson dart on your bench dart or sharp Shart Darter Shark. Are you going to play Jackson Darter Lamar Jackson next week?

[Danny Heifetz]

Thanksgiving. Yeah. Ravens play. Well, the Ravens play the Bengals this week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Who did the thanks to the Giants kit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Doesn't matter. You have to play Lamar versus the Bengals. The Bengals. We were saying five days ago he.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just played the Jets.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you play? Do you play?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Zero touchdowns against the Jets. He had eight points today.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think, I think that the problem part of me still, you know, it's fine.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know he's killing people. And by people, I mean me.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah. I was gonna say you. I. I flipped.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're too close.

[Danny Kelly]

This.

[Danny Heifetz]

I pulled one over Craig's. I. I flipped Jameson Williams to Craig.

[Craig Krolbeck]

For Jackson and it's zero points today.

[Danny Kelly]

James Williams.

[Danny Heifetz]

If I had told you, Craig that the Lions would have. They would. The Lions Giants game would have a thousand yards. How many points would you think that Jameson Williams would have had a thousand yards? Thousand yards in that game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The only reason I'm not upset is because I got absolutely boat race. So it wouldn't have mattered. But.

[Danny Heifetz]

So the brutal. But Lamar, I feel like I keep making excuses here. Part of me, I don't know. The offensive line's not playing that well. I still think Todd Monk in the offensive court is a little galaxy brain.

[Danny Kelly]

But I kind of.

[Danny Heifetz]

I still think it's the same part of it. Thinks it comes down to he's not healthy. He had the hamstring thing came back. He had the knee soreness. I said that he. I know, but he keeps taking all these sacks against the Browns and he got. He taking so many hits and I, I forget. I apologize. I forget. Somebody is probably Jameson Henley, the ESPN Ravens reporter, that Lamar's just taken the most hits in the NFL since 2019. Which is funny because he's young. He's younger than Josh Allen, he's younger than Mahomes, but he's taken the most hits. And hits are what age you. And so I kind of think that the. He only. He only. I don't know how many hits he took today, but he only got the one sack. I wonder if he can get through this Bengals game, if he can actually have a two or three week stretch where he's not getting the kicked out of him.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, they play the Steelers after the Bengals.

[Danny Heifetz]

I know, I know, I know. But the, I Wonder if the 10 days, if he can beat the Bengals. I Wonder if that 10 days, that Steelers game, just in time to kick the Steelers ass, if Lamar will look right in that game. But you're right, like the Ravens, this game was at halftime, 7 to 3.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Jets at halftime, do they, I mean, they can't do anything. They can't run the ball. Lamar's not running. The passing game is completely discombobulated.

[Danny Heifetz]

They all, they look like. I, I know I've used this reference a lot this season, but they look like the Space Jam. They look like they got. DK doesn't know what I'm talking about. They look like they got their power stolen. Derrick Henry, like Lamar, Derek Henry just. It's all like, even in this game, when he's scoring, he's fantasizing, he's doing touchdowns, but it's not impressive. He had one good run, but overall it wasn't. Wasn't a very impressive game. Yeah, I think it's a sharp.

[Danny Kelly]

But you gotta keep starting him for tradition's sake.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, you can't bench him. Imagine it's like you can't bench him.

[Danny Kelly]

The starts will continue until morale improves.

[Danny Heifetz]

Exactly. Intrusive thoughts. I think if a quarterback throws a ball underhanded, it should be a fumble.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You mean if it's like if it's incomplete, if it hits the ground.

[Danny Heifetz]

Tyler Schuck today just kind of threw a ball underhand to get it rid of it. And I'm like, why isn't that a fumble?

[Craig Krolbeck]

What if. What if you. What if you kind of submarine pitch it? But it's technically underhand.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, not sidearm. Sidearm looks cool. I'm talking like, he threw it like a cornhole bag to get rid of it. Like, vaguely in the thing. Vaguely in the direction of, like, Juwan Johnson. And I just was like, that should be a fumble.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. I mean, it goes against the principle of being quarterback and throwing the football.

[Danny Heifetz]

It just feels like there's a lot of rules to protect you. I'm like, you fucking throw it overhand. Like, it's. It's. It's a bridge too far. It's like the tush push when they do the false starts. I'm like, fucking don't you dare. Underhand, it's so literally flippant.

[Danny Kelly]

It's un American.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's un American.

[Danny Kelly]

Like Rick Barry out here, fucking granny shots.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I kind of like that. Like, if you completed, sure, it's a pass, but if you don't, if you.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don'T, it's a fumble. You shouldn't get to just underhand it. Like, even Mahomes, like, you do the shovel pass, that's fine. Like, that's a throw. Sidearms, a throw. But anyway.

[Danny Kelly]

I had a intrusive thought. This is maybe not even that controversial or weird. Like, Jacoby Brissette is going to be the starter for the Cardinals next year.

[Danny Heifetz]

Dude, I mean, you're probably right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And Kyler Murray's going to be on the Vikings.

[Danny Heifetz]

We haven't talked enough about how Kyler Murray. He getting a little dirty. Yeah, it's a little murky. I'll say it.

[Danny Kelly]

I.

[Danny Heifetz]

The report that came out was that Carl. Kyler Murray is not expected to return from injured reserve unless Jacoby Brissette gets injured. Which is another way of saying Kyler Murray is healthy and can play.

[Craig Krolbeck]

For sure that means he's benched.

[Danny Heifetz]

We haven't talked enough about how Kyler Murray's reaction to being benched was to fucking run away to injured reserve and pretend like he's hurt. And like, I'm sure he has an extra ir.

[Danny Kelly]

What you're saying it was his choice to go to the injured reserve?

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't know what's going on here, but I think the fact that he can't. I guess it's saving face, but I think the fact that face needs to be saved is in and of itself embarrassing for everyone involved.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We're in a very weird time right now with really expensive quarterbacks that you kind of are starting to realize is.

[Danny Kelly]

Not the One thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You have Kyler Murray. You have Trevor Lawrence. You could maybe throw Jordan Love in there. I love Justin Herbert. People would probably like to throw Justin Herbert in there. Even though I disagree with that. No, he.

[Danny Heifetz]

He was. Herbert was playing at a level this season better than Ky.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I completely agree. Since he was 20, there are people out there who feel that way about Herbert. But I'm just saying there. There are a lot of quarterbacks who make like $50 million a year that you kind of immediately say, you can't win a Super bowl with that guy.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, the difference is Kyler. There are. Kyler is a mix of. Hasn't performed that well, but also has a. The. The worst style of quarterback aging. Like nothing ages worse than Kyler's style of play.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know.

[Danny Heifetz]

And there's questions about his character leaders just like, horrible.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's no way he's starting in the NFL. Like 34. Who's.

[Danny Heifetz]

Let me ask you, who is Kyler Murray starting for next year?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Minnesota?

[Danny Kelly]

Jacksonville.

[Danny Heifetz]

I don't think the Raiders.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I pray to God it's not the Steelers.

[Danny Kelly]

In all seriousness, the Raiders might be interesting.

[Danny Heifetz]

No, the Steelers, who never take it. The. The vibe. I think the Raider Raiders.

[Danny Kelly]

He.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's such a Raider. He's born to be a Raider.

[Danny Heifetz]

I. I think.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Didn't he get drafted by the A's?

[Danny Heifetz]

He might be on the A's. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Neither team is in that city anymore, though. Craig.

[Danny Heifetz]

Hold on. Wait. They've both moved on the Athletics payroll last year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, dude. It's like was 40 million.

[Danny Heifetz]

78 million.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

And Kyler makes what, 50 problem sign with the A's. I had it. I took a call. DK Percept probably will preserve for the Cardinals next year.

[Danny Kelly]

Year. The Raiders. The Saints need a quarterback. The Panthers arguably need a quarterback. Saints. I don't know.

[Danny Heifetz]

We talked about. The Saints should have.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, he's a saint.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kellen Moore has nothing better going on. You sign Kyler and like, you don't pick a quarterback. You don't take Fernando Mendez or whatever. You kind of wait for 20, 27. Kyler's your bridge. Kyler's like the most overqualified bridge quarterback ever.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. The only problem is they just don't have any money.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Imagine if you went to the. He would never.

[Danny Heifetz]

Tyler to the Jets.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They can't do that. They can't get another running quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

No.

[Danny Heifetz]

But also because Aaron Glenn, I think that what the. Like the lion's. Ness of it. What they stand for is Kyler's just not.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Can't do Kyler.

[Danny Kelly]

Kyler's better than Fields.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But like, that's the.

[Danny Heifetz]

Literally the lowest bar. Even J.J. mcCarthy had 80 yards today. Justin Fields really struggled to hit that. Another intrusive thought of. Did you see during this Rams Bucks game, during the few moments we ended up watching after it was blocked, all that. They went to all the stuff of Aaron Donald working out and how he's still doing these 160 pound dumbbell curls and he made Jared Verse throw up and try to like lie. Why doesn't Aaron Donald just sign him with the Rams?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know he should suggest this.

[Danny Heifetz]

He lives in Los Angeles.

[Danny Kelly]

Don't you dare.

[Danny Heifetz]

He is clearly still got rid of him.

[Danny Kelly]

It's fine. He doesn't need to come back. I actually Seahawks fan, I'm like, no, he's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's 34. Come back. He could do it.

[Danny Heifetz]

Why did. He's. There is. I don't think there's ever been a retired player who has stayed more in shape than Aaron Donald. He's making Jared Verse, who's 12 years younger than him, vomit. And Jared Verse was like the defensive rookie of the year. Like Jaren Donald lives in Los Angeles. The idea that like von Miller at 35 or whatever after like four knee surgeries is just like, yeah, you know, we just play him like 20 snaps a game. It'll be like a close in the playoffs. Why does Aaron Donald not sign with the Rams, who still have his rights?

[Danny Kelly]

I do not, like, sign.

[Danny Heifetz]

Play 15 snaps a game on defense of this playoff run and win another Super Bowl. And then you're like, make a case as you're the best defender of all time. If he wins the second super bowl, like Aaron, like, why would he not just go play with the team?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

Aaron Donald's got some hobbies and stuff.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Working out. That's what he's doing.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's distracting.

[Danny Kelly]

It's funny. You're. You're right. H. It's funny because he was never like bad. He never. He was never one of those players who got bad and retired. He had eight sacks last year. Like, he was always good. I just tired of being in the NFL, I guess. He's like, I'm tired of kicking people's asses so much.

[Danny Heifetz]

He should just go. It's two months.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like he was pro his final season.

[Danny Heifetz]

You know, we always talk about how it's hard for guys to walk away. Aaron Donald unambiguously walked away at the highest level. Like probably anyone's ever Walked away. And I'm watching him on Sunday football. I'm like, you would probably be the MVP if you played.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm going to tell you, Aaron, just go pursue your hobbies.

[Danny Heifetz]

Anyway, any other intrusive thoughts?

[Danny Kelly]

Don't need you right now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This intrusive thought is so insignificant. And if you don't have an opinion on this, that's totally fine because this is so fucking random. But I think Kevonte Turpin is the fastest player in the NFL.

[Danny Heifetz]

Phil.

[Danny Kelly]

I could see that, dude.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He caught 140 yard pass today on the Cowboys and I was like, this fucker's faster than A Chan. He's definitely faster than Xavier Worthy. Oh yeah, and I'm sorry, he. He was. He looked like Tyreek. He was so fast. And I'm starting to think the whole like fastest player in the league thing, I think it's all a sham. I think it's like you like campaign for it. It's like a PR thing. It's like winning Sexiest man Alive. It's like, it's not real. You're paying for it. There's like a whole thing going on. I just think the whole like, oh, Xavier Worthy. Fastest guy in the league.

[Danny Kelly]

League.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don't buy any of it. It's Kevante Turpin.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, this is the problem with the 40 yard dash is you get to start from the track position, which why, yeah, you should have to start from standing up and also have pads on.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Heifetz]

And have pads on. But the idea that you get a track start so people who are track are good at. You don't get to do that. You should have to.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He was just like looked fast forwarded today when I watched him and I was like, this guy I think actually is the fastest receiver in the league.

[Danny Heifetz]

And it's funny because he also had the biggest ick of the day, which was Kavante. What happened? Did he get a handoff or a screen and he just caught ball and then just tripped, fell forward and then flipped the ball to a defender on the ground. He just f. What was. What happened?

[Craig Krolbeck]

DK I didn't say it was coordinated.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's quite literally just untouched. So fast no one could touch him. He too fast.

[Danny Kelly]

Trying to remember the exact context of it. But there was a point in time where we were asking each other what was more embarrassing. J. Jerry Judy getting strip sack or getting stripped from behind after kind of jogging around or Kavante. I think it was like, I think he took a hand off and then just dropped the Ball or something like that. I can't remember, but it was, it was pretty bad. Also, Craig Kante Turbin is 154 pounds.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So is Xavier Worthy?

[Danny Kelly]

Just saying.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's. He's a light guy, 70 kg. You mentioned Jerry Judy, though. The Fumble mid gallop, where he just went to do the little, like he was trotting, and then he did the, like, tried to jump into a jump cut and midair, gets caught from behind and fumbles. I, I, maybe people with more professionalism than me, they're like, you know, we don't hate players. We just hate where you have to draft them. And we. I hate Jerry Judy. I hate Jerry Judy. I hate him. I hate the way he plays football. I, I really, I. There's nothing about how he plays that I like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I hope he's on the Giants next year.

[Danny Kelly]

He probably will.

[Danny Heifetz]

I would. Oh, my God, Lose my.

[Danny Kelly]

Hell, yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Craig Dart's gonna get hurt. It's gonna be Derek Carr out of retirement, throwing at Jerry Judy. I hate Jerry Judy. And also, while we're at it, Kyle Pitts just again. Drake London out. Kyle Pitts.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's over. It's over for Kyle Pitts.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's over, Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

He's only 21 years old.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's over. I'm sorry. Like, we were back for, like, the first month of the season, and it's over. It's over again.

[Danny Kelly]

I, at least Darnell Mooney did something today.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he did. We talked so much about him for the last two weeks.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, the Billy Madison, like, whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

I was just like, like, very specific niche. I am so upset with Darnell Mooney for not. He's like, one catch on eight targets. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Craig Krolbeck]

My ick of the week is Joey Porter picked off a pass today in the Steelers game and then immediately started holding the ball out as he's running like George Pickens.

[Danny Kelly]

You can see this coming from a minute away.

[Craig Krolbeck]

All my friends are like, stop running like that. You're going to fumble. And then what happened? He fucking fumbles, and I hate players.

[Danny Kelly]

There was literally a point where he did, like, a crossover, like a bat, like he was dribbling a basketball. He, like, he was holding the ball like a freaking loaf of bread, like a Harlem Globetrot.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's, like, doing dances. He, like, throwing.

[Danny Heifetz]

It was like Carmelo Anthony in the post.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, he changed directions and he, like, did this with the ball. You probably can't see me. He, like, he, like, did, like, wave your hands like you just don't care with the ball?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, put it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I hate it.

[Danny Kelly]

Five points of contact.

[Danny Heifetz]

This nothing makes me feel like more like an old crotchety man than when players do the. The thing. You know what bothers me about it other than it always leads to a fumble. It. Why do you think you are different? Everyone else in the NFL should hold shits like, oh, no, but you, you can just hold. You know who else would do this all the time? Plaxo Buris would hold the ball. I've never seen anyone do it before since. He would take the point of the ball, put it in his palm. He'd take the other point of the ball and stick it in the crook of his elbow and he would just run like that. Oh, yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know who was a big ball? Palmer was. Deshawn Jackson used to do this all the time.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

George Pickens will do it a little bit.

[Danny Heifetz]

Odell.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Odell. Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

And it's just. And it was. Oh, when guys get near and it's like, oh, you put it away.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's all ego. It's like these guys who think they're basketball players or something. I don't even know what it is.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, receivers are. But Joey Porter really, that one really bothered me because he immediate. And also if they had rec that also almost would have been the reason they lost.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They did lose.

[Danny Heifetz]

But anyway. Yeah. Good. Good call, Craig. That was a huge play of the day. The James Winston catch for the touchdown.

[Craig Krolbeck]

A 1 million percent play of the year, probably, but.

[Danny Heifetz]

But an honorary mention to the Saints defensive back who jumped over Kirk Guds and trying to sack him, which I just, Just never seen for just hurdle. I've never seen a defender hurdle the guy with the ball. Worst play of the day. We're given to. Is it Jerry Judy or is it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Turpin or is it Tom Brady for almost saying the nword.

[Danny Heifetz]

God, that was tough.

[Danny Kelly]

What a nightmare.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Trying to say Landon Dickerson.

[Danny Heifetz]

He was saying Landon Dickerson. I see what happened because Landon, of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Course, I do too.

[Danny Heifetz]

The first name Landon, like you hold like the endon.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, they're coming. Dickerson. Yeah. It's a difficult name to nail and unfortunately for Brady, he didn't nail it.

[Danny Heifetz]

God, that was. I had that for stadium pulse of the week here, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And he. He actually recovered. Well. He was kind of. He kind of was like, oh.

[Danny Kelly]

He kind of laughed. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's like, oh, sorry about that. Excuse me. Which was fine. That was like the most natural he's ever been on a broadcast. That little moment he Was. It was a weird day for Brady. I, I, he just can't. He just doesn't have it. Like, in the biggest moments is when he struggles the most. Like when the game is calm and boring. It's, it's the opposite of who he was as a player. Like, when the game is boring, he can kind of like, ramble and get into some interesting stuff. But when, like, a big play happens, like, because he did the Cowboys Eagles game. The, the fumble. The Eagles. Gibson. Gibson with a P, fielded the punt, fumbled the ball. Huge game, tilting play. Kevin Burkhart is hyped up. He goes, Gibson, he fumbles it. It's loose. Cowboys recover it. And then it's just. You're waiting. What's he gonna. What in it's 5 seconds, 10 seconds go by and you're like, brady, say something. And then he goes, what a hit. That's. That's what you did. You gave us what a hit.

[Danny Kelly]

The sick, sick irony is you can only be super clutch at one thing specifically in life. You can't, you can't be two.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He goes, what a hit.

[Danny Kelly]

It.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Clark and Bell coming over the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig, that is the soul of the Tom Brady frustration. This is like, how could you be this good at football and then this bad at commentating.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, it's funny, the commercial where he's just like, where the guy wakes up with Tom Brady's football knowledge and like, in that one, Tom Brady's doing great.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

He's just like, if the safety rotates down, you throw the seam. It's not that hard. I'm like, why don't you do that during the game? That's a commercial for how you announce. Just announced like that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Pivotal moments in the game. He goes, all that force knocks it out, out. Like, what?

[Danny Heifetz]

I am just so force.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. Yeah. We're playing football.

[Danny Kelly]

Who do you think? Who's got the belt right now, Craig? Is it Greg Olsen?

[Danny Heifetz]

Olsen's the best announcer.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Olsen has the best analysis. I still think I, I still think Collinsworth and Aikman, I enjoy the most.

[Danny Heifetz]

Collinsworth is, well, his 500th game night.

[Danny Kelly]

Collins.

[Danny Heifetz]

I like Collinsworth. People think he's too. I think Collinsworth's good also. Just the production of Sunday football is just really good. Like, like it's the, it's the most watched.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Collinsworth is the most entertaining.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Understands that this is like a product and does a good job to entertain you and be a little silly. Greg Olsen is like, I want to make you smarter. I want to show people that I Know what I'm talking about? Olson and a. Or Collinsworth and Aikman are, like, a little bit older. They don't really care as much. They kind of shoot from the hip a little more. But Aikman is negative and Collinsworth is positive.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, Aikman is cool. Because when he. When he just. He will just eventually reach a point where he'll just say what he thinks and just be like, I don't like these people.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I see it, I will say, as much as I don't like Brady, I would take Brady in a heartbeat over Al Michaels and Kirk.

[Danny Heifetz]

Al Michael. Oh, they're the worst. They're. Michaels is. Is too old, and Kirk has too many jobs.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, look at him.

[Danny Heifetz]

Kirk Herb street announcing Thursday Night Football. It's literally his third priority every single week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And he sounds completely different when you watch him do a college game.

[Danny Kelly]

College.

[Danny Heifetz]

Get. Dude. It's literally the joke is because he likes college.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Thursday Night Football is like his LinkedIn.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like, how much you gonna pay me to do this NFL thing?

[Danny Heifetz]

I'll get. It's like college game day is like his Instagram. It's his fina.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Thursday, same on LinkedIn. He's just like, hello.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like, if they're like, Craig, you have to host the Law and Order Prestige TV podcast and also the Entourage Prestige TV podcast. I wonder which one I'd be more excited for and better at.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I. I think I feel like Al Michaels is. He's in the zone now of Clint Eastwood, where he was really old back in, like, the 1970s, 90s, and now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He'S like, post old.

[Danny Heifetz]

Like, how old are you now?

[Danny Kelly]

40 years ago.

[Danny Heifetz]

Meanwhile, Al Michaels is probably like. So they give me this guy. He brings his dog everywhere. He flies to do this pregame thing on Saturday. Al Michael. Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Al Michaels is 81.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I thought he was older.

[Danny Heifetz]

We had this exact exchange last week, verbatim. We did.

[Danny Kelly]

Did we say how old he was?

[Craig Krolbeck]

We did.

[Danny Heifetz]

That was word for word.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think I said, how old do you think Al Michaels is? And then you guys guessed, like, 85. And I was like, he's only.

[Danny Kelly]

I actually have legitimate memory loss.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think half Al Michael's age. Meanwhile, Michaels can flawlessly recall some game he called.

[Danny Kelly]

I know, right? I should be the one fucking talking about, oh, my God, he has better memory than me.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. Any other ref stuff that bothered you guys or anything?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I. I enjoyed. There was that really tricky play in the Jags Cardinals game where there was, like, the punt that like the Cardinals guy tried to hold it down to the one yard. He like did the thing where you jump into the end zone to prevent the touchpad back, threw the ball back, whatever. It was like a very compl play.

[Danny Kelly]

This was interesting.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And the refs came on Mike to explain the situation and he said he started with. I've never heard a ref do this. He started with, okay, so here's the deal that was really like natural and authentic.

[Danny Kelly]

So yeah, hold on. What happened was I thought this was interesting too. Basically it's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's honestly not that interesting but. Well, the kicking, the kicking, boring.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's really interesting.

[Danny Kelly]

So when you the receiver about kicking every week. Let me talk about this one thing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

So the kicking team, the Cardinals. Was it the Cardinals? Yeah, they. The guy jumped into the end zone, batted the ball back in and then Parker Washington the punt returner grabbed the ball and from that point on he can do whatever the he wants. That's the beauty of this. Well, he grabbed into the end zone backwards, he ran into the end zone, got tackled and all the defenders, all the Cardinals were like, safety, safety.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well not only that, all the refs.

[Danny Kelly]

There was like four refs who did the safety, safety.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They all got it wrong.

[Danny Kelly]

The beauty of it is that was like totally legal by Parker Washington's like, I could just do whatever the fuck I want here.

[Danny Heifetz]

Once they touch the ball, it's the purge.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's the punt version of like when a quarterback gets a. Gotta draw sides and then it's a free play.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not as boring as kicking.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I guess that's right. No.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just like the ref going, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

So, okay, so here's, here's the deal.

[Danny Heifetz]

Fucking Evan McPherson.

[Danny Kelly]

We lost the football.

[Danny Heifetz]

Football heaven McPherson at a 61 yard field goal today. That would have been good from 75, but yeah, no, that's, that's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm actually dead inside about field goals. I don't know what it's going to take.

[Danny Heifetz]

I, Brandon Aubrey missed a 51 yard and they were shocked. And I'm like, yeah, that's usually how it works. The field goal thing. I think 75 will get me like my blood going. Lucille Bluey, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it a word. I don't have a stat. I think instead I'm just gonna have a press conference. I just watched the, the, you know, the Madani visit with Trump of the White House was watching this and I'm like, I don't Understand? What the fuck's going on here? I don't. I don't know. I watched it ten times. I'm like, oh, this is just shocking. Ten ways to Sunday.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We're so close to like, is this AI. This has to be right?

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yes. I was like, this isn't real.

[Craig Krolbeck]

When Trump's like, complimenting Mandani and then he's like, do you think he's a fascist? And Trump's like, just say yes.

[Danny Kelly]

It's easier.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just say yes.

[Danny Heifetz]

Come on. He's like, okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, Okay. I guess.

[Danny Heifetz]

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[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Heifetz]

Josiah Daguara.

[Danny Kelly]

Charlie. Josiah on these days.

[Danny Heifetz]

Should I tell you? I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Is he in the league?

[Danny Heifetz]

Charlie Werner. Ian Thomas.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ian Thomas. Ian Thomas.

[Danny Heifetz]

Saya Daguara.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You in the Panthers?

[Danny Heifetz]

Is he still.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he's obviously not going to buy.

[Danny Heifetz]

I did not play tomorrow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to go with who. Who did not outscore Kyle Pitts among this crew?

[Danny Kelly]

Ian Thomas, DK Charlie Warner.

[Danny Heifetz]

This is delightful. So both those men did outspoke out pits.

[Danny Kelly]

Fucking hell.

[Danny Heifetz]

Ian Thomas is on the Raiders. I didn't even know that.

[Danny Kelly]

That.

[Danny Heifetz]

So Brock Bowers and Michael Mayor played today. And Ian Thomas, a tight end on the Raiders, outscored Kyle Pitts.

[Danny Kelly]

Not only that, Charlie Warner is on the Falcons.

[Danny Heifetz]

You got you goddamn right. Dk Charlie Werner.

[Danny Kelly]

Same team as Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Heifetz]

Josiah Daguar. Did not. He's on the Cardinals. He did not outscore Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts today had a a luxurious line of two catches for 25 yards. Drake London not playing Falcons 1. Falcons beat the Saints. Cal pits. I We'll have to, we'll have to have. We should just have. During the draft show. We should just have like a giant debrief and all these players who suck that we said would be good be like what we learned.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean we haven't put him in the burn book yet this year.

[Danny Heifetz]

I mean we could put him in the burn. There's two people for the burn book.

[Danny Kelly]

I gotta go.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay. Okay. Well, I think Kyle Pitts, who's being played. Who, who else are you thinking about?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Perhaps I'm getting a little hasty, but I think Lamar Jackson has been bad for a month and is probably ruining people's chances at making the playoffs. Just want to throw that out there. The second guy I'd like to nominate is Roma Dunze, who has over double digit points twice in the last seven weeks and has been straight. He's been the wide receiver 49 since week six. He's been terrible.

[Danny Kelly]

He also has like kind of a lot of drops.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He literally had a 0 two weeks ago ago.

[Danny Heifetz]

But he's had spike weeks though. But because like he has not.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What? Tell me about them.

[Danny Heifetz]

He had 17 points three weeks ago.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's a spike week. That's like what he was projected probably.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, well, I, I, I, I Hear what you're saying.

[Craig Krolbeck]

41401756.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm not against it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Horrible.

[Danny Heifetz]

I'm not against it. Can I throw out one other person if we're going to be aggressive, someone we have not talked about about the season enough in the last three weeks. Darnell Mooney has more fantasy points than Justin Jefferson.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, is that right?

[Danny Heifetz]

That is correct. Just last three weeks. Justin Jefferson is the 42nd receiver in fantasy football and downstream of these JJ McCarthy numbers, Justin Jefferson is. He is not unplayable, but he is unambiguously not what you did, not what you wanted when you drafted Justin Jefferson in your first round. And Jefferson, like he started all right, but dude, the LA again, last three weeks, five points, eight points, seven points from Justin Jefferson. And I think the qu like you're playing Seattle next week. He's the paid immediate B of the burn book. You cannot bench Justin Jefferson. We will never tell you to bench Justin Jefferson, but in your soul of souls you kind of know you probably should not play Justin Jefferson next week against Seattle. I think that's the epitome of the bird book. But you have to play him. And you will lose your season and your week because of him.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he, I mean, he's basically been like Michael Pittman this year. Michael Pittman's been, I think Pittman's been way better. But like, just in terms of kind of like what you expect out of him. He's like, he gets you like 60 yards a game.

[Danny Heifetz]

But the problem is that he violates our rule for years now, which is when Justin Jefferson catches a pass, it feels like a miracle.

[Craig Krolbeck]

With that said, over the last six weeks, Justin Jefferson Roma Dun, wide receiver 49. Justin Jefferson wide deserve 27. But I understand that you took him in the first round.

[Danny Heifetz]

That's the thing was like your seventh pick. Justin Jefferson was seventh overall. I'm not saying we have to burn Jefferson, but we, like, maybe we don't have to because like, again, if Jefferson's bad next week, we can do that again. I just wanted to throw his name.

[Danny Kelly]

Out like the spirit of the burn book. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. You guys. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not to punish people whose quarterback sucks. You know what I mean? Like, it's not Justin Jefferson's fault. We just got done talking about JJ McCarthy as like all time terrible draft bust stats.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Poor Justin Jefferson. I feel like it's such is a good dude and like works really hard and he's usually very complimentary and supportive of his teammates and his quarterback and like, he can't help him. Like, you just see it.

[Danny Heifetz]

You just see he's behind Kimir DK the last month.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, who that guy, by the way. Like, I feel like can't stop scoring every time I fucking look up.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, you have two touchdowns today.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But yeah, Justin Jefferson, like, he can't help but have bad, bad body language.

[Danny Heifetz]

Now it's behind Jaylen Naylor, who's on the Vikings.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm fine with either of these. Dk, you can pick. I don't care. They're both good.

[Danny Kelly]

Who are the Bears playing next week again?

[Craig Krolbeck]

What does that matter?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I'm stalling.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Stalling.

[Danny Kelly]

We burned a Dunes A.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, but you know what? You know what? You know it's funny because the point the he had the zero points and then his dad had to like about him not getting the ball. And I just keep thinking about the succession meme of every time. Dude, just get the thing. It's like the first episode succession was like, you want Me to call your dad? No, I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You don't.

[Danny Heifetz]

Don't call my dad.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's also like everyone else is starting to do like, Loveland starting to become a thing. DJ Moore had a good week. Luther Burden's more involved and I'm like, Roma Dunes Day is now just like another one of them.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Now they're just like the Packers. You don't know which one's going to go off.

[Danny Heifetz]

We can burn it.

[Danny Kelly]

They really are. Craig, it sucks.

[Danny Heifetz]

Okay, all right.

[Danny Kelly]

You don't even know what running back to start now.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, so Burn book now. Week one is Jaylen Waddle. Week two is Mark Andrews. Week three is Isaiah Pacheco. Week four is Calvin Ridley. Week five is Trivian Henderson. Week six was Tony Pollard. Week seven, Justin Fields. Week eight, Alvin Camaro. Week nine, Bill Merritt. Week ten, DJ Moore. Whoop. Not really came around today. Week 11, AJ Brown. Brown resurrected those two. And week 12, Roma Dunesday.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, AJ Brown going off this week is why he is the perfect Burn Book person.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, exactly.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Because he will now kill you next week.

[Danny Heifetz]

All right, I think that's all we got. Email us waiver. Email us trivia questions. Email us fantasy courts. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone, for listening. Listening. Thank you, Lord.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank you, Daft Punk.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, Sick.

[Danny Heifetz]

I think they perfected fame. I feel like they. That is like the perfect to make actually sick. Like, like crazy popular music that was actually experimental and trying new stuff that was crazy popular. But if those guys were behind me in line in Starbucks, I have no idea what they look like. And people who have probably like gotten married and danced their dance to their songs at their weddings have nobody knows what they fucking look like. And I feel like that's perfect.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, isn't that just DJs in general most of the time?

[Danny Heifetz]

It's a great life.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, it is. I've talked about this with my friend. It's like the perfect life because your face isn't that famous where you're going to get hounded. You make a ton of money. Once you kind of like, I'm not. I don't want to say being a DJ is not hard because it obviously is. But like once you kind of. You kind of know your set, you know, you make a plan.

[Danny Heifetz]

Marshmallow is crushing it. Marshmallow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like all your job is like, oh, I just go to parties and play music and everybody dances and I'm just like, sick. Actually, it's like, the coolest job in the world. The chain smokers are living the dream.

[Danny Heifetz]

I have a friend, shout out Brandon if he's listening, who basically ended, you know, those college boards that do their little concerts or whatever, and, like, you know, actually, I students ahead of it. And I have a friend who, long story short, a wealthier, wealthy person who's at the school. Their dad was, like, head of some company, and the girl wanted Avicii to come. So they flew. They figured he paid, and they flew Avicii to this very small college in the middle of nowhere. And it was a fun story.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's unbelievable.

[Danny Heifetz]

And they had him in. And they. My friend told me that Avicii showed up and they had to do this, right? They had to chart him a plane back to Vegas to make his thing. And they showed me. Avicii showed up, took a USB drive, plugged it in, sat there for an hour, and he was like. And it was the greatest hour of our entire lives. He went home, flew back to Vegas.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, man, what a life. I get why people want to be DJs.

[Danny Heifetz]

Well, he did step up, like, 10 minutes, and then he just remixed Paris by Jay Z like, seven times in a row.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You have your set and you just, like, around and improvise and, you know, party all night.

[Danny Heifetz]

Can you imagine being like marshmallow and you just wear your stupid little fucking hat and, like, you just get paid. I don't know. You probably don't even have to do that anymore. Someone else shows up as marshmallow and you.

[Danny Kelly]

Would you rather. Would you really rather be a DJ than in a band? Like, play, like, shred a guitar in front of a million people?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I would rather be in a band.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, same.

[Danny Heifetz]

Being in a band's cooler, but the.

[Danny Kelly]

I just think it'd be more fun.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I think so.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's more fun to be in a band. But once you've made the DJ stuff, it's easy.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Know, like, all you. You just go to, like, clubs and hit play and party.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm sure DJ's gonna be. Listen.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That'S what he said. Aichi just did. He said that.

[Danny Heifetz]

It's true. It's that if you're a DJ and you want to re. Like, email us at ringer fantasy football gmail dot com.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't actually know what it takes to be a dj to be the hardest part.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Very hard. You have to be really creative and savvy and. And all that stuff.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, yeah. It's not easy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, of course not. But it's probably easier than being like, like Mick Jagger.

[Danny Kelly]

Who was also old a really long time ago, you know. Yeah, I agree.

[Danny Heifetz]

Do you guys listen to DJs? I feel like I listen to way more EDM than you guys.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I like, I, I like it like for working out, running, you know, at a bar. I, I feel like I'm, I'm leaving that era a little bit. But I love ddm.

[Danny Kelly]

The only thing, the only thing I've listened to, to that remotely resembles that is like girl talk stuff like mashups.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh yeah. I don't like seek out dj. Like I'm not like, oh, I, I want to put on this DJ right now. I don't really do that anymore. I don't have like new DJs I'm discovering or anything like that.

[Danny Heifetz]

I like a drop. I don't either, but my friends do. And so I live. I, I am. I get good music from my friends who are still deep in the, the trenches of crazy because they got crazy now. Yeah, crazy stuff.

[Craig Krolbeck]

There's a, there's a few songs that still like, I could like like run a marathon at a five minute pace to C. Like, do you know Opus by Eric Prides? Dude, I could lift up a truck to that song. It's like a 3 minute and 45 second build up before the drop and.

[Danny Heifetz]

It'S just crescendo song, if you will.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You'll levitate.

[Danny Heifetz]

Yeah, certainly.

[Danny Kelly]

Fred.

[Danny Heifetz]

Again, Chris Lake. Certain people kind of. I went to a Chris Lake concert in Denver with some friends and this guy showed up, was like hello. And then just played the thing and he didn't say a word. And then he was like, thank you and he left and we had a great time. Didn't say, what a word. I was like, I love this guy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, that's awesome. Great life.

[Danny Heifetz]

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