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Week 13 Preview: Texans-Colts, Banged Up Baker, Vikings vs. Darnold, and Craig Sings Creed
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Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphens and I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Kirk Korolbeck, and we are going over many of the Games from week 13. We are recording this on Tuesday, November 25th. We're releasing this on Thanksgiving. We have no idea when. You are listening to this on Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
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Recording from the past, what happened, who won the games.
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Aren't we always recording from the past?
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This one's more from the past. Deep, deeper into the past.
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Okay, yeah, bear with us. We don't have the latest injury information. We don't know we're from the past. It's basically, you know, we're basically just fucking Amish here. You know, it's coming from the 1800.
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I begged these guys, I said, guys, we should tape on Thanksgiving. They didn't want to do it, so I said, all right, we'll have to do it early, but I beg.
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So we're going to go through these games. I don't know. I mean, I'll just. You know what? Honestly up front, I don't know how helpful we're going to be. I don't know. We, we don't know who's going to be playing a lot of these things, but we're going to go through it. And yeah, if you're listening to this on Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving. All right, we're going to get to all these games, but first we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime Bank Smarter. This season, fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money. Trade banking fees for fee. Free banking, 1.5% cash back getting paid when you say and a higher APY on your savings. That's a lineup that wins. Stop banking the old way. Bank Smarter through Chime. Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services and the secured Chime Visa credit card provided by the Bancorp Bank NA or Stride Bank NA members. FDIC optional services and products may have fees or charges details@chime.com fees info with a qualifying direct deposit earn 1.5% cash back on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more@chime.com so there's good news and bad news. The Thanksgiving games are good, but if they're over, I have bad news, which is the rest of the games kind of suck this week. They're kind of bad. Yeah.
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You know how they say, like when you, when you got drinking, like you steal Half of tomorrow for today, it feels like that's what they did on Thanksgiving this year is man, the Thanksgiving slate was awesome and I'm going to assume it was great. You go all the way down to the games, man, the night games this week we thought we'd been on a bad streak of great games. Well, buckle up because the Sunday night and the Monday night game are pretty brutal.
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There's one great game and good, there's a good game, a good game in the afternoon in the early window which is the Texans are at the Colts. Colts are favor to win by four and a half.
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Oh, that's a big one.
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The afc. It's kind of a red flag when the AFC south is kind of the marquee game of the day. But I mean Texans, Colts, if the Texans have two games left, first Indianapolis. And if the Texans win both those games, Texans have like a 75% chance to make the playoffs. And the Texans lose both these games, they have like a 10% chance to make the playoffs. So it matters a lot. And also I don't know if C.J. stroud's going to be back. I feel like he will. He should be because he missed three games and Dave Davis Mills went 3 0. But now that I don't know, the Texans have the best defense in the NFL and now they're playing the Colts who just give up two first round picks for Sauce Gardner. And I don't know, I'm very curious to see Daniel Jones versus the Texas defense. I. My gut is, I don't know. I don't know if any offense is really going to be able to move the ball in the Texans and I don't think the Texans can take advantage of this, but I kind of think the Colts will win, but it's going to be like 16 to 15 or some weird ass score.
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DK, is the shine coming off the Colts a little bit to you or no?
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Yeah, I think so. I mean I, I feel like and I and our buddy Ben Solak was pointing this out the other day that basically Daniel Jones's sack rate has kind of leveled out to where it was in the past. We talked about this early in the year, like one of the biggest things, one of the issues for Daniel Jones and throughout his career and Heifetz makes this joke all the time about he's worried about Daniel Jones crossing the street because he's got no peripheral vision. Like it's come back up to where it has been historically. And that's obviously kind of concerning because at the beginning of the year. You know, Daniel Jones is not taking sacks and obviously that helps keep the keep the chains moving, keep the offense going in the right direction. The offense does not feel as as dangerous as it did early in the year. I think Jonathan Taylor is still very, very good player, but overall they just don't feel like they have as much teeth offensively as they did early in the year and they're kind of coming back to earth a little bit. I still think they're a good team, but you know, the whole historic 2007 Patriots comps, all that stuff that never really felt real to me and now it's starting to come back to reality a little bit.
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We'd feel completely differently.
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I know. I'm just kind of like, I don't. I don't think the Colts played that poorly against Kansas City. I. I don't know. I I don't think they played that poorly.
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C
Again, I don't think they're a bad team. I just do. Do you feel like the offense is as crazy efficient and feels as good as it did early in the season?
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No. But I mean, they've been playing better. D I It's okay to play amazing defenses and look fine, and I think that that's what you're going to see this week. I don't. I think the Texans are too good at every level of defense for anyone to just completely rock them. Unless you're the Rams and Stafford with McVeigh like I the Texans. I mean the Texans defense, they're number one in the NFL by EPA snap, the number two defense by TV way. The Texans have the number one defense by DV way versus the pass. Derek Stingley Jr. Is probably the best cornerback in the entire NFL right now. Danielle Hunter and will Anderson are probably the best edge rusher combo in the NFL. And obviously Miles Garrett's on another plane from everyone this year. But I think Daniel, Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson are amazing. Will Anderson is the second most pressures of any edge rusher this year. And Daniel Hunter's also top. They're both top four in quarterback hurries. The run defense is also good. Kaylin Bullock, I had three turnovers last week against Josh Allen. They just handled it. I mean, I don't know. Again, the Tech. Aziz Al Shayer, inside linebacker, like every level. Linebackers, defensive line, secondary.
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Aziz Al Shayer is fucking everywhere.
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He's amazing. And it's like, it's the d' Amico Ryan's, it's the swarm thing. It's these like Robert Salah, these like Demika Ryan's, this like that 49ers branch of defense. It's just like they're kind of the embodiment of flying to the ball, which I think is everyone's favorite compliment to give a defense. The Texans are like the platonic ideal right now. Just fly to the ball. They're flying everywhere. They play good run defense.
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C
Swarming.
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They're swarm. But that swarm. It's not a meme, though. It's like an acronym. It's. It's actually. It's a funny acronym too, because it doesn't really make sense. I forget exactly what Robert Sala.
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It's.
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I forget if it's Jim Schwartz or Salah, but like, it stands for something. It's kind of stupid if you spell it out, but it's a. It's a lifestyle.
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It's funny, man. Like, we talked about this with the packers in the Wednesday episode where we kind of went through their schedule and we're like, who have they actually beaten? The Colts are a little bit in a similar boat. I mean, they've beaten the Dolphins, they beat the Broncos, but they really should have lost that game. That was the leverage field goal kick situation. They probably should have lost that game. But they beat the Dolphins, they beat the Broncos, they beat the Titans, they beat the Raiders, they beat the Cardinals, they beat the Chargers, they beat the Titans again, and they beat the Falcons. Those are their only wins. They've lost to the Steelers, they've lost to the Chiefs, and they lost to the Rams, and they probably should have lost to Denver. So you could. In their own four against the four best teams they played. I guess outside of the Chargers, I.
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Just feel like we knew this. I don't know. I knew the 07 Patriots thing was a Me. But we weren't actually thinking Daniel Jones is fucking Tom Brady. Like, they were closer to the Vikings last year at Darnold, where we're like, how long will this go? And we'll see. Also, I have to mention swarm, which again, is the motto of the demo. Ryan's defense. It's really a Robert Sala thing in the Niners. I'm sure it goes back further than that. And I want to mention it because they're talking about it now, and it's like, it's going to be a big thing. It stands for special work ethic, relentless mindset.
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I feel like it could just be swarm and it'd be okay.
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I know, but it's an E. That's my point. Swarm.
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Oh, it's swerve.
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They call it special work ethic, relentless mindset. It's spelled wrong. It's not really swarm. They could come up with an A.
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They should.
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I feel like it should just be swarm. Swarm to the ball. That's it.
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Swarm.
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You don't need it to be an acronym. We get it.
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Coaches love making acronyms, man. Coaches love acronyms. I just think it's funny that swarm is swarm. Anyway, if CJ Stroud plays in the cult and the Texans lose, it's. It's. I. I don't know. We'll see. But this will be a fun game and it would be interesting. John Taylor versus the Texans defense will be something, but I kind of think the Texans defense is going to play well. Speaking so much of the Niners, though, the Niners are at Cleveland. This. Honestly, all the games from here are downhill. I want us. Niners are at Cleveland this week. This is. You know, Craig, we're gonna learn a lot about Brock Purdy in this year game. But what the happened with Brock Purdy on Monday Night Football?
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It's clear that he's not healthy and that his toe situation is bad because it's his plant foot and he has. It is completely taken away the power from his arm. So why this?
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Why did he come back? He threw three picks in the first half and then he threw a pass 10 yards downfield. Why did Brock Purdy return from injury if he then looks super injured?
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Based on. I feel like the way they've been talking about it, it's like, this is the healthiest it's going to be. And so it's like, are you going to play him or not? And they're testing it out and I mean, they've won two games with him. The fortunately for the Niners, they have a really easy schedule. Like, they've won the two games with Brock Purdy, even though he hasn't particularly looked great in either game. They play the Browns, then they play the Titans, the Colts, the Bears. Like, the schedule is relatively easy for them, but it's his back foot he can't plant. And I do wonder, like, I don't know, what are they going to do when they need to win a game to get into the playoffs and Brock Purdy's playing like shit and they have to play against the Bears in week 17 and Brock Purdy still has no juice in his toe because he can't plant on. It's a really bizarre situation because The Niners are 8 and 4. They're third in the division, but they're 8 and 4. I think the Niners are going to make the playoffs, like, based on their schedule, I think they are. They have a good chance of making the playoffs.
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Dk, this sounds like a hot take, but I think it's pretty mainstream right now. Mac Jones is better for the Niners than Brock Birdie, is he not? I think right now with his current health, with Brock Pie having missing months with the. With the turf down, we joke about.
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Tua Noodle Arm 2 throwing punts to people. It looked like Brock Pie was doing that on Monday night. There was a pass to McCaffrey that McAffrey fielded like a punt.
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I. I mean it's. He. There's something wrong with Purdy. I mean, whether it's physical or mental or whatever's going on, like clearly. And also. But here's the other point and this is why this game is weird. I would never bet on Shadow Sanders to beat the night. Even the Niners depleted defense. The way they play, I don't think it's going to work very well. But Shanahan has a horrible history versus Jim Schwartz, who's the defensive coordinator for the Browns. The Browns. Adam, right there with the Browns. There's. There are four defenses this year. They're so head and shoulders above everyone else. It's like the Browns, the Texans, the Seahawks and the Broncos are to me in a tier above them and they play different ways. But the Browns defense is unbelievable. I looked this up on Shout Out True Media Kyle Shannon as a coordinator or coach. So we're going back like 20 years. Has played Jim Schwartz as a defensive coordinator nine times. Kyle Shanahan is one in eight against Jim Schwartz with an average margin of loss of 10 points. And the too long don't read is the play action Shit the Niners do just doesn't work against the way Jim Schwartz plays defense. For whatever reason. I just feel like it doesn't work. And I kind of curious. I don't know how Brock Purdy's going to play. I mean, the last time this happened, a few years ago, the Niners had a bunch of injuries versus the Browns. The Browns kind of kicked the Niners asses. They weren't very healthy then, but it's not like the Niners are healthy now. I don't know, dk. Part of me, I, I kind of wouldn't be shocked if the Browns win, except Cheder is playing. So I don't think the Browns are going to win this game.
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But my buddy Kyle Madsen, who covers the 49ers, sent me a note today that the 49ers have not won in Cleveland since 1984. 1984.
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Walter Mondale's running for president or some.
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Shit, which is, you know, they don't play there every year, but it's just kind of a wild stat.
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Yeah.
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So I think it is, it is an interesting matchup from, from many points of view. Like you said, the, the offense to defense matchup is, is a tough one for Shanahan. I, it does make give me pause. Do you think they should sit Brock Purdy then and start Mac? I mean, I feel like Mac did a pretty good job when he was back.
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Well, it's really simple. When you have a private walkthrough, private practice, that media, it's like, does Brock Purdy look like that? Throwing the ball, like, what's wrong with you? You have to. You just gave Brock Purdy $250 million. I understand. When you play him, it doesn't help anyone if he re. Injures his fucking toe, which, again, it's a foot injury. It's a, you have three ligaments in your feet, and one of them's messed up. Doesn't help anyone if he makes it worse. Certainly not helping the team. I don't know. Part of me is like, Mac played. He's got a PCL injury in his knee, too. Maybe it's not healthy, but I, he.
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Didn'T, it's not like he ran around a lot. I think I, I, I've said this. I feel like one of his advantages, one of P's advantages is sneaky little shit.
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Yeah.
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He's a sneaky little. Who gets out of pressure and, and picks up first downs with his legs and really keeps the defense honest. If they're, you know, playing, like, playing man, defense and turning their back to the, to the quarterback, all that stuff. He can just make things happen with his legs and I mean, he didn't do that in this last game. 16 yards rushing on six attempts. So I don't know. It's like, what does he bring that's better than what Mac is?
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Miles Garrett's going to get another three sacks on Purdy this week if Purdy plays.
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Yeah, it's a really weird time. Like, Purdy has said that he's like, I didn't want to come back until I felt like I could move around because that's a part of my game, is like my agility. And yet, you know, I don't know. Lamar is in a similar spot. Joe Burrow coming back from his toe injury.
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Yeah, it's like teams are kind of like painted into a corner on this stuff. Yeah.
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It's like these guys want to play and it's probably like, look, my toe probably needs like three months of doing nothing on it for it to heal. And I obviously don't have that time. And I'm good enough. I can, I can make it work enough to play in the game. But what do I do? Like, Lamar probably should be taking a month off before he's healthy, but you can't do that.
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No. You can, though. There's a simple answer. It's. They're not using Joe Burrow's crystals.
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Oh, yeah.
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Birdie's not a crystal guy.
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Put them in the shoe maybe. I think. I think that's a good idea.
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Like a crystal toe boot instead of a steel toed boot. You do crystal toe boot. Keep it around the toe.
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It's like a splint, but it's a crystal around the toe.
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That's good.
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That's not bad.
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Write that down.
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That is pretty good. Let me. Let's ask a fantasy question from this game. What the hell do you do about Ricky Pierce Hall? So Ricky Pierce, he's been back for two weeks. In the two games, zero points and one point.
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You bench him. I don't care. I love Ricky Piercel. I have him in multiple leagues.
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Yeah, I think he got your answer.
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He had a PCL injury, he has a knee injury and he has six yards when you're coming back from. He went on injured reserve until he's not Justin Jefferson. Until you are play like unless you're Justin Jefferson or Jonathan Taylor or Christian McCaffrey, I am not playing a guy returning from injured reserve until he has had, let's say hypothetically, more than six yards. In one game.
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I do wonder if you're in a league with no trade deadline or I don't know if any of those exist. The Niners have a buy next week and then they play the Titans, Colts, Bears. Kind of wonder if the Niners a little bit of a buy low if.
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You could get Pearsall. I think he is. The problem is if you're a short term team, if you need to go like 2 and oh for the playoffs.
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Yeah.
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If you need to win week 13 and win week 14 to get in, you could cut him if you want. Because I'm like, you're not going to play him against the Browns and then he's on buy so he's useless to you. And then honestly, if he doesn't do anything against the Browns, you're not going to play Ricky Parasol in the playoffs. So he has to do something versus Cleveland for you to play him until week 16. The flip side is I agree that if you cut them, Ricky Parasol could be a top 10 receiver for the playoffs. So you don't want to cut him. But like I could see both ways. And then also jwan Jennings punched. They already. What's his face and I kind of wonder if John. John Jennings can get suspended this game. Yeah, he punched Tron Merrick. Yeah. For the panels.
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Merrick got, he got suspended cause he punched Jennings in the nuts earlier.
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Yeah.
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You know, among us, the camera's caught very, very.
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Was it a real punch or was it accidental? Like Draymond green in the 20.
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It was like an uppercut. It was like an uppercut. Right to the right to the day up Craig. Is Craig making some joke about the NBA that I went over?
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He's pretending Draymond Green didn't mean to hit LeBron in the dick.
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We'll never know.
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Yeah, you know what? It's, it's, it's. If only Draymond Green had given us any evidence in the last nine years. Jaguars are at the Titans. I don't even want to give them my time of day. Trevor Lawrence is a blockhead and I would like to see Trevor Lawrence just not to turn the ball over. Versus the Tennessee Titans. Can you not turn the ball over? Challenge Trevor Lawrence.
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Bill always jokes about like who is the shaky's game team every year if they make the playoffs. I can't think of a team that has a better record that I have absolutely zero faith in that more than the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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This needs to be a memento tattoo. We always, we only do fantasy, but we need a Real life tattoo. When we pick playoff teams next year, we make a mistake. We always pick teams that we, we're like, no, they could be good. We ne. No one ever picks a team. Like, I think they'll be bad but fraudulent and make it. But that happens every year.
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Right. You just look at the schedules.
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The Jags are minus 260 to make the playoffs, which means that they are 2 to 1 favorites to make the playoffs.
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Well, because if they win this, they're eight and four.
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Yes.
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It's a lot. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're the prime. Yeah, they, they, they're, they're fake.
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I thought Cam Ward played really well against the Seahawks.
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Cam Ward has been playing better.
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He, I mean, obviously they didn't win, but he, he brought him to within, you know, pretty close to making a comeback on that. In that game. I thought he made some incredible plates. They went like five of. Not like five of seven on fourth downs. He was getting out of the pocket making these crazy plays. I just been. I was very impressed with him in that game. Basically, just over the last few weeks, I think he's come along a little bit more and, you know, so just that, that could be an interesting game. Like, it's always. Divisional games are always kind of tough.
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But yeah, we joked about him being the quietest number one pick ever. He's having one of the quietest rookie seasons for number one pick ever. Even though he's played. What would Cam Word have to do to be like the lead story on ESPN or like this show.
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He would have to have like four touchdowns.
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Yeah.
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450 yards, which is hard for the.
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Titans to do that, you know, but.
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He looked, he looked.
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He was impressive. That I will say that.
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B
But you still can't play a single player on the Titans in fantasy.
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No.
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The Jags receiving group. You really can't play anybody.
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Playing Brian Thomas with your season on the line is horrifying to think about. You could do it if you want.
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B
But I'm like, man, ETN is the only guy you can play in this game, this entire game, outside of Trevor Lawrence.
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What's the opposite of dance with who? Brungia. When people want to bench a player who's really good, like Brian Thomas is like the ignore people who you. But don't fucking hold a grudge.
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C
Hold a grudge.
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C
I mean, obviously, you know, the Dolphins are exciting with Achan and Waddle. I would love to see Waddle continue to finish strong. He's averaged 12.5 points per game since Tyreek went down, which is like, that's fine.
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Not as many as you think.
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Which is Jay Wilder, he's the wide receiver, 17 in that stretch. So I just, I would like to see him finish strong, especially against a team like the Saints. You know, from a fantasy point of view, I think you could start a la from the Saint side. Juwan Johnson and Devin Neal, if you're, if you're desperate are options. But this is not. This is obviously a pretty boring game.
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I'm. I have to tattoo myself also to get in on jalen waddle in 2027 when the dolphins get rid of Tua. At that point, I'll be in on Jalen Waddle.
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I don't know if I'm ever going to be in on Jalen Waddle. I don't think I can be. It's not a part of my DNA.
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Say I also don't the Saints dude playing like Devin Neal with Alvin Kamara.
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Out, are they gonna give freaking Taysom Hill like 10 carries again in this game?
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He's gonna be quarterback. He's the goal line quarterback. Taste and it works. It's the only I, I love when Tayson Hill's in the game. I know I, I love when Taste Mill comes on the field.
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B
Olave is the only saint you're playing, right?
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Yeah. Juwan Johnson at tight end. Falcons are at the Jets. Kurt Cousins versus to Rod Taylor at quarterback. You know what's crazy? The Falcons trading their first round pick in this year's draft to move up basically 20 spots from like the 45th pick to like with the Rams. With the Rams again just because they're buddies and Raheem Morris used to work for the Rams and so they call them up and they move up 20 spots and they give the Rams the first round pick to move up 20 spots. And the Falcons being 4 and 7. If the Falcons lose this fucking game and they drop to 4 and 8 and they have like a top 8 pick they hand to a Rams, there's a, there is a chance the Rams win the super bowl and have a top 10 draft pick and then they could just take a. And they could flip that for a quarter pick next year and then take like Stafford's replacement, like 20, 27.
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When the Falcons did it, it didn't look great when they traded up for a second first round pick. But when the Texans did it and got CJ Stroud and then traded right up for Will Anderson, the next pick, that was awesome.
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And it out. That was kind of. That, that was kind of cool, you.
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B
Know, so sometimes it can work when the picks are good and your team is good. It's funny how that works, right?
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A
It's crazy. Falcons. I. I don't know.
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B
It's.
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A
Yeah, you play Bijon. Kyle Pitts is so dead to me. It's unbelievable. So why. I think actually I, I've said so many anti Kyle Pitts things this week. I think Kyle Pitts is going to score a touchdown.
- [23:07]
B
I also fear that Drake London, who's like in theory not ruled out already, he's not going to play. And I fear that if you have Drake London on your team, he might not play the rest of the season.
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A
I think he's out a month. I, I think, I think the PCL again Ricky Pearson a PCL injury. Brock Barrett said a pcl. If Drake London comes back. He's not Drake London. You have to like he's not and.
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B
If, if they're 4 and 12, like I, they're not going to play him. Week 17 and 18, I don't think, I don't know.
- [23:33]
A
He might want to but you know he's not going to be the same. I don't think Drake London will be the same guy the rest of the year. Especially structural integrity to the knee when your whole thing is being like the contested catch guy is, is not ideal.
- [23:48]
C
I was just gonna say the Falcons are actually third in the NFL in sacks this year. So like that trade I'm, I was just like did they did that even like appreciably help them? Obviously their record is not very good. The ironic part is, you know, they made this trade to get better as a pass rushing team which they absolutely needed to do. So I can, I can understand like their strategy from that point of view. But like the big lesson here for the Falcons is you and for every team is don't trade a future first when your quarterback situation is not absolutely set in stone. They didn't know, they did not know if Michael Penck was going to be good.
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A
That's the look.
- [24:21]
C
They invested $100 million in Kirk Cousins. A top 10 pick in Michael Penck and quarterback is their biggest problem.
- [24:27]
A
I, I, I was going to say we're going to have to do an episode in a couple weeks on just all the quarterback things that could change. But Michael Penic, so he ended up getting ACL surgery and like reconstruction ACL.
- [24:37]
C
Because it's partially tour like nine months.
- [24:39]
A
Out, try to rehab it and then hope that it stays together. You see this with pitchers all the time in baseball too where it's like it always fucking tears. It's like. But the, with Pennix's history they're like we're just going to do it. But Michael Pennix getting ACL surgery in late November means he very much is may not start in week one which means the Falcons will have to bring in a quarterback if they either keep Kirk Cousins, they're going to have to have someone to compete and that's assuming Penix can come back. And he, it's not like he was playing amazing before. And this is a guy who's going to be 26 years old with now three ACL injuries, not to mention a throw. You know what I mean? Where I not ideal but at least they have the pass rush. Careful what you wish for. Also Jeff Ulbricht return to jets justice for Jeff Ulbrich. Cardinals are at Tampa Bay. This is another sad game where it's like Baker Mayfield, they're saying he might play. He was in a sling on a T shirt eyeball test. I'm like, how many guys have any either arm in a sling and play the next week? I know it's. It's another non throwing. There's a lot of weird non throwing shoulder injury injuries right there. Non throwing arm injuries between Rogers, Jaden Daniels, Jordan. Love Baker, but like don't play them. I mean the Bucks still could make the playoffs, but I don't know if Baker's gonna get his shit rocked against Tampa. I feel like they should probably have Teddy play for a week.
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B
The poor Bucks, they've lost. They've lost three, four of their last five. Their only win was against the Saints. They're just luckily in such a terrible division. I mean if the Panthers can do anything right, they could probably sneak into the playoffs, but I don't. The Panthers are 6 and 6, the Bucks are 6 and 5. They've had a brutal schedule stretch, but it does get easier for them. They play the Cardinals, the Saints, the Falcons and the Panthers and then the Dolphins. So it's like the Bucks just have to be fucking decent and they can get into the playoffs.
- [26:18]
A
There's so much better than ever. The Bucks are so much better than these teams when they're healthy. It almost highlights I think how bad the NFC north is that when the Bucks lose 24 players at various points that these teams can still can't run around him. But I mean the Panthers are playing the Rams this week and the Rams are favorable to win by ten and a half. I thought there was going to be like 14 because the Panthers look so bad. Bryce Young looked so small on Monday Night Football against the Niners. Like there was a sack where he kind of got grabbed by the jersey, not a collar. He just was pushed and it looked like a bullying in a middle school. Like he just was shoved to the ground and like by a guy who was being blocked and he just looks so small.
- [26:54]
C
It's the opposite of like the Big Ben thing or whatever. Yeah, Big Ben would shrug off people in the pocket. It was like so hard to bring him down. If you just lay a finger on Bryce Young in the pocket, he's. He's getting thrown around.
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B
You remember the scene in Happy Gilmore when the kid is Happy Gilmore's caddy, but happy. So he just like, shoves him to the ground. He goes, Mr. Gilmore, I'm your catting. He's, what are you doing with those clubs, kid? The way that, that Happy shoves that kid in, the way he just, like, tumbles over is how Bryce Young looks every time he gets sacked.
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A
100%.
- [27:24]
B
Does it not feel like with the Bucks just across the league? It feels like there are so many teams that have just been completely decimated by injuries this year, where it's like the season is just completely thrown out because half of the roster is down. You look at, like, the Niners, you look at what happened to the Chargers, you look at the Bucks. There are so many teams that have just been absolutely ravaged by injuries.
- [27:44]
A
This is how it always goes. But for whatever reason, people only remember it when it happens to their team. Every fan base can. Who, whenever you have a good team, can tell you about the good team that was torn with bar injuries. But if you add them all up, it's like, yeah, it's like there's a bunch every year, like the Ra. The Ravens this year, the Bucks like, all these teams. Like, but no, the Buccaneers. It's. I mean, Mike Evans. If the Bucks were going to make the Super Bowl, I think Mike Evans would come back. But I'm like, man, does he even come back down from a broken collar? But it's sad. It's.
- [28:09]
C
It's actually, Bucky Irving might be back this week.
- [28:11]
A
Yeah, Bucky Irving's coming back. Like Childish Gambino in that meme where he's going to have the pizza and the room's on fire. It's like Bucky Irving's, like, back, and it's like everyone's just.
- [28:21]
B
From Community. There's that. There's a team in every single division has been ravaged. It's like AFC West, Chargers, AFC north, the Ravens were completely ravaged and Joe Burrow got hurt. NFC west, you have the Niners got ravaged. NFC south, you have the Bucks. NFC north, the lion secondary was absolutely screwed. The NFC east, you have. You have Daniels being super hurt and Washington. It's like, it's crazy. Every single division, there's a team that just got absolutely destroyed.
- [28:49]
C
It's one of those things. Does that happen every year or does it not? I can't. I can't remember. Like, it feels. It feels like that is kind of always a story is like, the healthy teams are the ones that are Good at the end of the year, but it does feel like there's more. All of their offensive line more than normal this year.
- [29:03]
B
It's.
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A
I think. I think for at least the time I've been doing this, I've heard the phrase, I feel like there's more injuries this year. I've heard it every year for eight years.
- [29:12]
C
Right.
- [29:13]
A
Like, every. I just feel like people. Like, the injuries from two years ago, people, you just forget, but it all bleeds together. But I, I. I think it's. It's like this every season, man. I mean, honestly. No, actually. I think there has not actually been less injuries. Like, I remember 2019 feels like it has been less. 2019, the quarterback, less injuries to star.
- [29:29]
B
Players, but it feels like there's been more injuries to units in general that torpedo them.
- [29:33]
A
That might be fair. Maybe there's more offensive, more concentration among. Like, like the tackles killed the Chargers, like the Bills, all these things. But I remember right around Thanksgiving, I think 2019, I think almost a third of the quarterbacks in the NFL were out. Like, you know what I mean? I'm not even counting Covid. I'm saying, even before COVID like, there was, like, 65, 70 quarterbacks played in one season. Like, it's. It's.
- [29:55]
C
And that's why they're making all these new rules, protecting quarterbacks. Yeah.
- [29:59]
A
So now it. It feels like it, but it's. There's always four teams that are kind of deleted. I think in this case, the problem is they were fun. Like, the Ravens were a fun team, and then they got hurt. Well, Ravens were supposed to be fun and super bowl favorites. The Chargers were fun, and then they got hurt. And the Bucks and Baker were really fun, and they got hurt, and maybe that's why it stands out. But I also would not play Bucky Irving.
- [30:20]
C
I know. It's. You probably want to wait.
- [30:23]
A
Don't you want to see him do anything? Is that me? Am I biased?
- [30:27]
B
You probably spent a decent pick on him.
- [30:28]
A
I guess you have to play him because you probably don't get our options.
- [30:31]
B
The other guys on your team are probably, like, Aaron Jones types. Like, are you playing Aaron Jones over Bucky Irving? Alvin Camara, I guess he's out. But, like, people like David Montgomery, if.
- [30:40]
A
It'S Teddy, I mean, dude, I don't know. Part of me is like, I just don't like playing Buck Irving at two different injuries that cost him two months. He's gonna come back, and he's gonna play him. He's gonna get, like, five points I totally agree.
- [30:50]
B
I also like the reports around the injury have been very weird. It's like everybody strange. Very strange.
- [30:55]
A
Like, I wouldn't play him either if you. I'm not gonna say don't like. It's not black and white, but if you have any other options, like I probably would play Aaron Jones over Bucky Irving. Well, I get Seahawks. I don't know.
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B
I know it's hard with Max Rosmer.
- [31:09]
A
Vikings are playing the Seahawks this week.
- [31:10]
B
That's after the late.
- [31:11]
A
How do you feel about Sam Darnold playing against the Vikings? Are you worried? Yeah.
- [31:16]
C
Yeah. I mean, I think it is. It is. The big storyline with this game is like, how well do they. I mean, obviously they know him better than probably most other teams at this point, practicing against him all of last year. They definitely know his weaknesses really well. You know, what Brian Flores is going to do to him from a blitzing and pressure point of view is going to be really interesting. That is the storyline of this game. I think, you know, on paper, the Seahawks should win this game just because the Vikings are probably going to be starting a backup quarterback and if they don't, it's going to be J.J. mcCarthy, Max Brosmer right in Seattle. But I mean, the Vikings, they. They can create chaos with, with the way that they bring pressure and on defense and all that stuff. So I think, you know, the worry here is, is Sam Darnold going to melt down? And, you know, as we saw a couple weeks ago, it could happen.
- [32:02]
B
How many points do you think Seattle needs to score to win this game?
- [32:06]
C
That's a good question.
- [32:07]
A
17 should do it.
- [32:09]
C
Barring more stuff like.
- [32:11]
B
Yeah, if that's the case, we. If that's the case, we should probably bet the Vikings, like, if, if, if we think like 17, 20 points going to win this game, is it really going to be like 20 to 3?
- [32:26]
C
I don't know.
- [32:26]
A
Well, I think Max Brosnar.
- [32:28]
C
Max Brosner is going to score on the Seahawks.
- [32:32]
B
I don't know. Cam Moore just lost by six on the Titans.
- [32:35]
A
I know, but he was the number one pick.
- [32:38]
C
They also scored. They also had a pun return touchdown.
- [32:41]
B
I don't know why, but for some reason my spidey senses are up with this game and I think the Vikings might cover.
- [32:46]
A
I think I. Well, Kevin o' Connell was like Matt, who was really impressed with Max Brosmer's work ethic and he said he had a very profit. He was impressed at his processing and he. It's funny because I kind of wouldn't be shocked If Max Bros were plays better than J.J. mcCarthy because he just played a lot more football in college also, that would.
- [33:01]
B
All that requires is that he's better than the 851st out of 852 qualified passers. He just has to be 850.
- [33:07]
C
A bit of a low bar, you.
- [33:10]
B
Know, he just has to not be jamarcus Russell.
- [33:13]
A
Also. I correct myself. Did he. How much did he. Oh no, Minnesota. How much? How many passes? I can't pull up New Hampshire, it's not even a D1 school. My God, I can't even find out how many years this guy played in college.
- [33:23]
B
We went to Minnesota after we transferred to Minnesota.
- [33:25]
A
He played four years at New Hampshire first, which is just imagine being at the University of New Hampshire and you're like, you're the quarterback you were watching two years ago is like playing for the Vikings this week.
- [33:35]
C
It's probably.
- [33:36]
A
It's probably pretty weird. And you're like, damn, we didn't even go to the games.
- [33:39]
B
Why isn't this spread bigger then Max Brosmer against Seattle? You would think minimum two touchdowns.
- [33:44]
A
Because it was just four. Because it was just 13 and a half versus the Titans that they couldn't cover. Think it's that simple? It's weird.
- [33:50]
B
Weird line.
- [33:51]
A
I. Yeah, Darnold better not wet his pants. Raiders are at the Chargers this week. This is another one. Chargers are favor. The Chargers favored by three. No, that can't be right. I wrote. No, it's nine and a half. Yeah, the Raiders just fired. Yeah, I wrote it down wrong. The Raiders are just fired Chip Kelly and yeah, they should have cuz g like they have Gino Smith and Brock Bowers. Both look worse than they've ever basically ever been their entire lives.
- [34:15]
B
Yeah, the Chargers are coming off a buy after bottoming out against the Jags because as we know, they can't play in Florida. As is well known, it confuses Californians. I think being in Florida, they don't really get it.
- [34:29]
C
Florida is a crazy.
- [34:30]
B
The environment's bizarre to them. But this is really. This is a. Like the. The Chargers need to win this game and they. I'm sure they will. But like the. The schedule gets incredibly hard for LA after this game. They play the Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Texans in Denver after this game. I think this is like one of those. You can play anybody you can think of. Like, I think you can play Vidal. Like you. I think I would play Vidal over Bucky Irving 100%.
- [34:55]
A
Well, Marion Hampton might be back for this game, but you're right And Videl could both be. No, but you could play both of them if you had to. Just because the Raiders are so bad, man.
- [35:03]
B
I think you can play Quentin Johnson in this game. He has it like a very. This is the perfect week to have a week off for him because I don't think he was healthy. But when he came back, like his target share has been really good. I think you could. I think Keenan, Ellen Ladd and Quentin Johnson are all like viable dart throws as well as Kymani Vidal. Yeah. Since Quentin Johnson came back at Week 9, he's led the team in target share and then God did the Raiders. It's like, I guess you obviously have to play Bowers. You're playing Ashton Genti, even though it's like the worst vibes ever.
- [35:35]
C
He's also coming off an ankle injury, which is not anything.
- [35:39]
B
I think he's going to play. I got a somebody shout out to Andy. Andy tweeted me saying that the weirdest stat of the season is that Ashton Genti leads all rookies and touchdowns. And I did double check feel that way. And he's. It's, it's correct. He has eight touchdowns, which leads all rookies. And it just couldn't be more opposite of the vibes in, in Vegas.
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C
The one positive that you could take for, for the Raiders right now is, and this is something that's been pointed out on Twitter a bunch, that Greg Olson, the new offensive coordinator for the Raiders, who's also been a coordinator for the Raiders in the past, tends to utilize his tight ends a lot, which, I mean, I, I think the Raiders are always going to do that, but there's a chance this could be like a little night, nice little boost for Brock Bowers down the stretch.
- [36:19]
B
Do you think the Raiders could get away with secretly asking the other Greg Golson to call place and then nobody would know?
- [36:26]
A
I think he could have done a better job than Chip Kelly did this year.
- [36:29]
B
Yeah, I wonder if they could maybe kind of sneak that in this week and nobody would really care or.
- [36:33]
A
No, Remember that time the Chiefs scored more points than the Raiders ran plays.
- [36:36]
C
Here's the thing, though. Greg Olson, the announcer does not like Pete Carroll. I don't think he's anti Seahawks or.
- [36:42]
A
Else Greg Olson doesn't like Pete Carroll.
- [36:43]
C
So Seahawks fans will tell you. Yeah, because Greg Olson was on the Seahawks for a hot minute there and he got cut. He didn't like how they were utilizing him.
- [36:53]
A
I have no memory of Greg Olson and the Seahawks.
- [36:55]
C
I honestly, I'm a Seahawks fan and I have very little memory of it.
- [36:59]
B
I think I do remember that he.
- [37:01]
C
Was on that team for a hot minute but he didn't do a whole lot. And I think things didn't end great for him like in terms of like his relationship with the team. So that's why like a lot of Seahawks fans are like think that Greg Olson is anti Seahawks. He was on, he was on the 2020 team. He had 24 catches and one touchdown in 11 games.
- [37:22]
A
Sounds like a Kyle Pitts season.
- [37:24]
C
He was 35.
- [37:25]
B
Do you think we should just fade the Raiders like long, long term, like every year for the next five years until they're good?
- [37:31]
A
I think we make, we would make a lot of money doing that. You know what, that, you know what, it's funny. The Warren Buffett had the Charlie Munger rule that he convinced Warren Buffett was of. Instead of like investing in math companies that like you keep making a little bit squeeze a little profit out of them. It's like just invest in great companies and wait, we should just bet against bad teams for every week, every year until they become good.
- [37:53]
B
Well, the Raiders are interesting. I read this article about how Mark Davis more than any other owner like is has the least incentive for his team to be good. Because when you're in Vegas, you're a tourism city and the visiting fans are almost more important than the home fans.
- [38:08]
A
Yes.
- [38:08]
C
They're making a trip out of it.
- [38:09]
B
The Raiders are 2 and 9 and they're, they're valued at 7.7 billion doll. You know the, the, the, the state of Nevada subsidized the stadium and if you're 2 and 9 and your team is valued at $7.7 billion and it, it doesn't matter if you win or lose because it's really about the visiting fans. Like why do you give a. Why are you going to spend money for the team to be good?
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A
Yeah, his dad was just win baby. And he's like, yeah, just, just play basically. Yeah, just funny. No, I, I also, I went. There was a meeting between Jerry Jones and Mark Davis pregame between for the Raiders Cowboys game. And I just remember the shaking hands. I'm like, I know Jerry's old but man, this guy is running circles around this Mark Davis guy. Mark Davis, he's always. Someone said he reminded it. He looks like a microwave. Jon Gruden.
- [38:47]
C
That was Jackson.
- [38:49]
A
Was that Jackson? Shout out Jackson. The funniest thing I've ever. Yeah. Mark Davis looks like microwave. John Gruden.
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B
Yeah.
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C
I have a question for you guys. Since you're not in it as close as I am. Do you think Pete Carroll survives this season?
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B
I do.
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A
No, I don't think he should. I don't think he deserves it. I. There's nothing that has improved about this Raiders team. Nothing that was promised. Yes, the roster is bad.
- [39:09]
C
Can they afford to fire him, though?
- [39:11]
A
I don't know. But here's. That's a good point. Well, maybe they're more liquid now with the Raiders.
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B
I think he's back next year.
- [39:16]
A
I. I don't think.
- [39:16]
C
I. I think so too, but I don't.
- [39:18]
A
Seahawks first season was tough when Pete. And this is 2010. And then the Seahawks came back the next year.
- [39:23]
C
No, the Seahawks first season, they made the fucking playoffs.
- [39:26]
A
Yeah, but they were 7 and 8. 7, 9. And they had the Marshall lynch and they beat the pizza.
- [39:30]
C
Defending champions.
- [39:31]
A
But they weren't that good. Like, that was a tough season.
- [39:33]
C
Well, yes, but they ended on such a high note.
- [39:36]
A
They ended on a high note. But like I have spoken to players who played on that team and they did not have fond memories. First season they were like. They were kind of like struggling. Like they couldn't. They couldn't run. Basic run plays. They were shot. That fun fact that Marshall lynch play, they blocked it wrong. That play was not blocked correctly.
- [39:53]
C
Just broke like eight tackles.
- [39:55]
A
They blocked it incorrectly all week. They didn't want to call it. They called. They ended up calling it by kind of accident. And then they blocked it wrong. And then Marshall lynch broke 11 tackles in one play. It's kind of like Hulk Hogan with the 400 days a year. Marshall lynch broke 13 tackles even though there's only 11 people in the field.
- [40:08]
C
Right.
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A
But anyway, I kind of guess the Raiders. I don't know how you don't look at this as a long term thing. You have to start over at some point. Geno is the most generous thing you could say. Still a good player who could be a bridge to your next quarterback. The next quarterback's not on the roster. They need a total rebuild of the offensive line. There's really no pieces there on the defensive line either because Max Crosby at this point is a no man's land where he's really only useful at this point as a trade asset and like a locker room guy. But like he's his prime. Will not be aligned anymore with where the team is going. Like, you might as well trade Max Crosby. But there's no talent on the team. And at this point, I guess why I don't think Pete Carroll believes in rebuilds why would you entrust a long term plan to the oldest coach in the history of the NFL? Like, and I know firing after one year and I don't like being a revolving door for teams, but the quarterback's not on the roster. I don't think you're going to get the quarterback next year. I just. He's the oldest coach ever. Why should he be in charge of your long term plan?
- [41:06]
B
I get all that. I don't think they're going to get rid of him after one year. I think they're going to get. They got rid of Chip Kelly. They fired two coordinators, their special teams coordinator, their offensive coordinator. Yeah, I guess I don't know how much they're. They're going to be paying Chip. They're going to be paying Pete Carroll if they fire both of them. I just feel like with the pedigree of Chip, I mean, I keep Pete. I think they're going to bring him back for one more year and give him one more shot.
- [41:26]
A
Yeah. And also he's going to have to pay John Groot. John Gruden has this. We'll talk about this at some point in the offseason. John Gruden is a massive lawsuit break versus the NFL. That's going to explain explode at some point because the NFL keeps a lot of things under wraps by going through the arbitration system. That's.
- [41:38]
C
But they're won't they have to settle that then? Because they don't want everything to go.
- [41:43]
A
That's my point is.
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C
Yeah.
- [41:45]
A
John Gruden's lawsuit, it has been ruled in Nevada that it's not going through the NFL's legal world of inside arbitration. It is going through the court system. Which means it's.
- [41:54]
C
You can settle out of court.
- [41:56]
A
Yes. But John Gruden doesn't want us.
- [41:57]
C
He's like, I don't want to do.
- [41:58]
A
Because John Gruden has embarrassed everybody.
- [42:00]
B
He's got tons of money.
- [42:02]
A
Junk rude is like $200 million.
- [42:03]
B
Yeah.
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A
I mean he got paid. He got $100 million contract from the Raiders. He's was paid probably seven or eight million a year from ESPN for like a day. Like junk is hundreds of millions of dollars and he just is going to want all these things to come out in public about all his enemies and it's going to be insane anyway. The Raiders might have to pay him back for that lawsuit too. So they probably can't pay three coaches at the same time. Bill. Steelers. This is the after this is a better game. Probably should have saved this Earlier Craig one is Aaron Rodgers going to play in this game? Bill Steelers Tuesday afternoon give me but with a bullet.
- [42:33]
B
Well, I think he will play. Yes.
- [42:37]
A
Do you so Broderick Jones the left tackles ruled out with neck injury.
- [42:40]
B
Oh gosh darn it. He's been so good.
- [42:43]
A
He had a great sack in Aaron Rodgers earlier this year.
- [42:47]
C
Aaron Rodgers was so mad at him. It was so funny.
- [42:51]
A
My gut and I'm curious what you think my gut is I kind of think the Bills are going to rock the Steelers. I think the Bills are way better and that these teams are fake close and the Texans went from four days to prepare for the Texans and the best defense in the NFL and they look bad. 10 days to prepare for this. I think the Bills are way better.
- [43:07]
B
Took the words right out of my mouth. I love the Bills in this game. The spread is three and a half points. The Bills are favored by three and a half. This is like dink and dunk first chunk. This is the Steelers who can't get a big play to save their life versus the Bills who are first in plays of 20 plus yards. If Josh Allen doesn't turn the ball over, I think the Bills are going to win by like 20. The biggest issue is that Josh Allen's been turning over the ball a decent amount and the Steelers have been generating a lot of turnovers. But outside of that it's like the Bills should just run the shit out of the ball which I think they can do. Derek Harmon's not playing for the Steelers this week. If the Bills just run the shit out of ball and Josh Allen is protective of it, he goes full Jalen hurts. I think they're going to win this game easily.
- [43:50]
C
The line is only three and a half.
- [43:51]
B
It is. I don't know why that is kind of shocking. This is in games in Pittsburgh maybe this is classic where once we the second you've given up on the Steelers is exactly when they they kill you.
- [44:01]
A
No, it's everyone's giving up on the Bills that's the problem.
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B
Yeah, true. And they have the mini buy. They've had the 1010 days to prepare for it. Also the Bills lose to teams that can run against them. Like they lost to Miami when HN had 175 yards against them. But they beat teams who can't run. They beat the Chiefs. They beat the Bucks. The Steelers can't fucking run the ball. They can't generate big plays. I just like the Steelers offense is so juiceless to me. It's like they're going to score 21 points or something. The Bills are going to put 30.
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A
I agree. I want the Bills this week, the primetime games this week. Another just absolutely awful stretch to the prime time. Sunday Night Football's Broncos Commanders and the Monday Night Football's Giants Patriots.
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B
My God.
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A
Pretty awful games. Broncos.
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C
I mean, I was starting for the Giants this week.
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A
Well, I wanted to start with that. It's Tuesday. I don't want to pretend my guy. It doesn't seem like Jane Daniels will play for Washington. I feel like Jackson Dart might. I want to give you guys unbiased thoughts here.
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B
Okay.
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A
Similar things for both these teams. Jaden Daniels returning to practice probably won't play, but has not been ruled out for the year. It sounds like Washington will play Jaden Daniels, who just as a reminder, the elbow injury is his non throwing elbow somehow didn't dislocate it, but didn't have any fractures or any ligament damage. I don't know that's possible. And then Jackson darted a concussion after four concussion checks and all these injuries. In your unbiased opinion, I'm dk. Where do you prioritize getting Jaden Daniels back on the field, reestablishing momentum, having him get a little confidence back, getting reps, Giants bringing back Jackson dart and getting him reps and getting him back in the flow, trying him with a new coach versus your seasons are over and these guys are your future and don't rush them back from injury and like take all the time in the world.
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C
Especially against. Well, for the Commanders, especially against the Broncos.
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A
He's not gonna play this week. But even bringing Jaden back next week, I'm like a little bit like, why?
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B
Yeah, I mean, you know, Jaden's good already.
- [45:46]
C
Yeah, generally that's where I lean. That's where I lean. You don't have to figure out who he is. You know what I mean? You don't have to. This isn't like a decision making opportunity. You know, he's the future.
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B
Throw the oculus on him, have him on the sidelines playing the Broncos.
- [45:59]
A
It's like we always talk about. Jerry should be in the ocean's 11 vault. You should just, yeah, Ender's game his ass. Just tell him he's playing.
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C
And it's. It's hard for teams to do this thing where they actually play for the future because there's so much pressure. We need to play and the players want to play. But you know, I think for the Giants it's like an interim coach. Who gives a fuck?
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A
Like, well, Mike Kafka gives a fuck. Because if Mike Kafka makes Jackson Dart look awesome, maybe they'll hire Mike Kof.
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C
No, I know, but I'm saying from like the Giants point of view, like, they should. I think the ownership should just be like, you're not playing Giants.
- [46:30]
B
I feel like you. I, I need. I would want Dart to get reps.
- [46:33]
A
Like, Dart needs reps. I agree with that. Also, Dart needs to learn to protect himself at some point.
- [46:38]
B
Like Jaden Daniels. I was like, I know, Jane Daniels is awesome. I don't need him to try to like rush himself back from some horrific elbow injury for no fucking reason. Dart has played like seven NFL games. I would like to see him play.
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A
A little bit more. Yeah, it's.
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C
It's. To me, it's always. Yeah, it's a. I totally agree generally, but with so many of the Giants injured, like the injuries that they've gone through, it's like he doesn't have a great support system. One day Robinson is like their number one receiver and he's actually been pretty.
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A
I'm not worried about that. I just. He. I guess the darts thing is he needs to. I don't. I go back and forth because my brother's kind of like, why are they going to play Dart? And I'm like, well, he needs to play football at some point.
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B
I agree.
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C
I think that's the bottom line. I think that's the bottom line. But it's.
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A
But. But unambiguously, though, if Dark comes back and gets concussed again, we're gonna be like, why the did he play? But it's really. I mean, it's weird, but he needs to learn to not take hits all the time.
- [47:26]
B
Yeah. Like, maybe don't dial up like QB dives, but I, I think playing him would be probably beneficial long term for.
- [47:32]
A
His development and for fantasy. I still think Dart, if he plays just because he's been rushing so much and I don't think he's going to stop running, but it wouldn't be shocking if he was less valuable. But Craig, we made a trade. Craig traded me Jackson Dart in the ringer league, but we'll see. I mean, he's been good enough. You probably want to play him. But the Patriots also, I think the Giants could win this game. The Patriots, I mean, their left tackle, Campbell is an MCL sprain. Jared Wilson, the left guard, has a high ankle sprain. So the Patriots, who had not a great offensive line are down. They're two like these two players on the left side that were. And then also Milton Williams, who's this big high priced defensive tackle. Free agent they signed from the Eagles is also now an injured reserve. So the Patriots kind of lost the three of their biggest acquisitions on the offensive line. You're going to get Federian Lowe at left tackle or whatever. Like he's probably the worst tackle in the league. So I guess the Giants defensive line, I know the Patriots want to run the ball, the Giants run D is bad, but I don't think it's bad enough that the Patriots can run on the Giants.
- [48:26]
B
Well, should we just get to Ringer.
- [48:28]
A
107 then we can also. Sorry, just want to Giants fire the defensive coordinator who looks 60. He's the oldest looking 38 year old man I've ever seen. Google Shane Bowen fired. Look at the pictures they have of his haggardly ass.
- [48:44]
B
Shane Bowen, Wow.
- [48:45]
C
He really does look kind of old. He's like, he's like the pictures of the guys from the 80s who are like 19 years old and they look like they've had a mortgage.
- [48:52]
B
This is like, he looks like they're.
- [48:54]
C
Like collecting their pension.
- [48:55]
B
He looks like Gene Hackman.
- [48:56]
A
He does. He looks like it. He looks like. Yeah, he looks like a colorized photo of like Grizzly Adams.
- [49:03]
B
He could be in some like old Taylor Sheridan show. Like he could be in 1883.
- [49:07]
A
He's like, yeah, he's like an innkeeper in fucking. Yeah. Yellowstone.
- [49:11]
B
I will say I do have like beard intimidation where this guy's, you know, seven years older than me and I. What he's able to do with his facial hair is so alien to me. I do feel like he is more of a man than I am.
- [49:25]
A
I agree. He's way more of a man than I am. A man with beards and not DK's beard. I'm talking like them like the bush. Like, no offense to your beard.
- [49:32]
B
Just drive by.
- [49:34]
A
Well, it's good too. But like I'm talking the, the Ryan Fitzpatrick beards. I'm like, clearly that man's more virile.
- [49:39]
B
When the follicles like go up to like your cheekbone.
- [49:41]
A
Oh yeah.
- [49:42]
B
That's when I'm like, you are built differently. Makes me feel like Bryce young.
- [49:46]
A
I. I feel a little like Bryce young too. And that we can't really grow.
- [49:49]
C
Got your little backpack on. Yeah.
- [49:51]
A
Even DK's beard. I'm just like, I can't do that.
- [49:54]
B
No, I can't do that.
- [49:55]
A
It's too splotchy.
- [49:56]
C
Thanks. Hype. It's makeup call.
- [49:58]
B
You save It.
- [49:59]
A
Well, I just meant, like. I didn't mean. Not yours. Your beard doesn't look like this. He's a man.
- [50:06]
B
He had a beard.
- [50:07]
A
A beard. Just saying. I mean, this.
- [50:11]
B
Grizzly Adams was a man. That was a former. That was a golfer, right? Is my guy pro golfer Grizzly Adams?
- [50:18]
C
No, no, no. The guy who's. The guy who was. Oh, you're talking about a beard. Yeah, you. You made the two movies together. There's Lee Trevino.
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A
I think Lee Trevino.
- [50:29]
B
Grizzly Adams did have a beard.
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C
You eat pieces.
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A
He's had a pizza.
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B
Jesus was a man.
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A
It appeared sweet. I'm telling the story.
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C
I'm doing the eight pound, four ounce baby Jesus.
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B
He was a chip.
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A
All right, Ringer 107. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel.
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B
Bill's three minus three and a half.
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A
Lock it in with a bullet. Thank you. I'm with a bullet. I want Rams -10 and a half to the Panthers. I watched Bryce Young get thrown down. I was like, dude, the Rams are buzz saw, right? Rams are going to buzz saw. They're gonna like, oh, my God. Can we. Can we agree? Rams minus ten and a half. You can.
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B
I'm down with that.
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A
I kind of Wonder about Arizona +3. It's a little whack to make this decision on Tuesday. Baker's a warrior. Maybe Baker will play. But if it's Teddy Bridgewater and the Cardinals are getting points.
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C
I know, dude.
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B
Teddy's. Teddy's not good.
- [51:20]
A
Teddy literally, like, I, I. Teddy's one of the most likable players in NFL history. Teddy, he literally retired to coach, not. Teddy's not played in three years. He literally retired to coach high school football.
- [51:30]
B
Is Baker gonna play?
- [51:33]
A
He will play, but he shouldn't. I don't think he will play, Eileen.
- [51:37]
C
No.
- [51:39]
A
What is the hit rate of people who were in his sling playing six days later?
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B
Do you think this line suggests he's playing?
- [51:47]
A
I think it was big enough that they didn't want to flip it because it was.
- [51:50]
B
If. If Teddy is confirmed starting, do you think the Cardinals are favored?
- [51:55]
A
No, but I think they should be kind of agree. If Teddy Bridgewater is playing versus the Bucks, I don't really care.
- [52:01]
C
Versus Bridgewater, it's even. And then they just. The bucks get the.
- [52:06]
B
I don't mind that, Ives. I kind of like Arizona +3.
- [52:09]
A
I just want the points. I'm like, are the bucks. That's the thing. Is the bucks gonna. If Bridgewater beats the Cardinals By a touchdown. Maybe it's because Marvin Harrison Jr. Is going to come back and that's, you know, people are upset that the Cardinals chances will get worse when Marvin Harrison returns to the field.
- [52:23]
B
How do we feel about the Chargers laying nine and a half against the Raiders?
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A
I think we do it. There's always a chance that a new coordinator actually makes the offense a lot better, but I kind of want to see it first. They might just do different stuff. That always throws off defenses sometimes and you're banking up. But the Raiders are so bad, man. Chargers had a buy.
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C
I'm fine. I had that.
- [52:42]
A
I had that written down as well.
- [52:45]
B
Any. Any Thanksgiving games or. No, they're all.
- [52:47]
A
We can talk about it.
- [52:49]
C
So it's Packers, Lions. That's probably. That feels like a stay away.
- [52:52]
B
It's Chiefs, Cowboys, and then it's Bengals, Ravens. The only thing I was thinking about is the Bengals plus seven.
- [52:56]
A
But I know the packers beat the lions by like 25 points and in or whatever felt like that in week one, but I kind of want to bet on the Lions.
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B
You know, I feel like every time we bet on the Lions, we lose.
- [53:06]
C
I know.
- [53:06]
A
Yeah, probably.
- [53:08]
B
Should we do. Do we continue to follow our rule if we just bet the Colts blindly or.
- [53:13]
A
No. Oh, just bet line. They bet the cards.
- [53:16]
B
It's kind of a weird line. They're. They're favored by four and a half.
- [53:18]
A
Here's the Texans. The defense is awesome, but man, the quarterbacks fucking suck. Stroud's been bad. Like I, I. Stroud's bad. Davis Mills is bad. I like the Texans, though. Texas.
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C
I'm kind of in on the Texans these days.
- [53:33]
A
I know.
- [53:34]
C
I changed my mind. I hate. I, I think if we go back and listen to our shows from early in the year, I'm like, I fucking hate the Texans. But now I kind of like them.
- [53:41]
A
Should we're out on blindly betting the Colts taking a break?
- [53:45]
C
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I kind of like the Texans, but as you know, I'm not gonna. I, I don't want to try to talk anybody out of anything.
- [53:53]
B
Dk, we need you to put.
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C
I know what I am. What I am doing is giving you guys the opportunity to go against what my gut says.
- [54:01]
B
I can't believe Shador Sanders is only a five and a half point underdog.
- [54:05]
A
I would bet the Browns if Dylan Gabriel was playing. Well. No, I wouldn't. I hate betting bad cornerbacks. Should we bet the Broncos giving six and a half to Washington? Speaking of bad Quarterbacks.
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B
Oh, you know what?
- [54:17]
A
Yeah, Washington's awful, bro.
- [54:25]
B
I love that the Broncos have been.
- [54:27]
A
Bad, but, dude, the Broncos are. I mean, sorry, Washington's been bad in Denver's offense, but.
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B
And, dude, if. If we can get this at six and a half and not seven, I am in.
- [54:35]
A
I think we do the Denver at Washington. I mean, have they. What was the last competitive Washington Commanders game?
- [54:41]
B
Well, these are a lot of favorites here, which is usually pretty. Like, I don't want to think about it.
- [54:47]
A
No, don't think about it.
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B
I know we're doing fine. We did a rewatchables the other day with Sal. The movie Two for the Money, which is a funny movie, but as I was walking out with Sal to our cars, he was like, so how do you and the guys make your picks for Ringer 107? I was like, we just hop on, hash it out for, like, five minutes. And he was like, do you prepare the picks? You gotta let you guys let each other know what you're gonna do. Do you. Do you come with a plan? I'm like, no plan. We just show up, talk for five minutes. He's like, God damn it. You guys are tied for first and you don't do any prep.
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A
You just like, no, we have no.
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B
Prep on the spot.
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A
We have no prep whatsoever. We figure we figured out well with it said. I think the rule. The only. When we went on five, we didn't do this. We have to. The last thing we have to. The last thing we have to do is we have to look. Say the names of the coach and quarterback for each team.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
We are picking Josh Allen and Sean McDermott over Aaron Rodgers with the broken wrist and Mike Tomlin. I'm okay with that.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
- [55:42]
A
We were picking Matt Stafford and Sean McVeigh giving 10 to win by 10 and a half points over Bryce Young and Dave Canales. I feel awesome about that book.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Jacoby Brissette and John Gannon over. Hopefully Teddy Bridgewater and Todd Balls.
- [55:57]
B
Yep.
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C
I mean, that one's not quite as clear.
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B
That one's.
- [56:01]
A
You know, that one felt worse.
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B
All right.
- [56:04]
C
All right.
- [56:04]
A
That one felt worse. We were taking Justin Herbert and John harbor giving win by 10 points over or nine and a half here over Pete Carroll and Geno Smith.
- [56:15]
C
Yeah. This year.
- [56:16]
B
Yeah.
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A
I feel okay about that.
- [56:18]
C
Normally that he's old give me pause. But the Raiders. It feels like the Raiders have kind of just quit.
- [56:23]
A
Yeah, it does. And we're doing Sean Payton and. Sorry. Sean Payton and Bo Nicks. To win by a touchdown, basically six and a half over. But Marcus Mario and Dan Quinn, I'm okay with that, too.
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B
Me too. Yeah. Yeah, me likey. And now there's.
- [56:40]
A
Do we want to take the Niners over. Over Shador with the five and a half? I know that he's never. He never beats Jim Schwartz and the Browns defense is the best unit in the game, but I'm like, no, I don't want. Shador is playing. Dude.
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B
I don't want to.
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C
They're gonna get their first W since 1984 when I was 2 years old.
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B
No, I. I'd ra. I'd rather. The. The thing that'll kill us is if Baker plays and we're screwed.
- [57:06]
A
You want to pick a different game, then?
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B
I like having an underdog.
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A
Seahawks giving ten and a half to the Vikings. Dude, it's gonna be Max Brosmer.
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B
I don't know. That game freaks me out.
- [57:17]
C
But you want it, Craig. You want an underdog?
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B
Yeah, I do.
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A
Giants, seven and a half.
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C
I kind of like it. Heifetz is all coming in with this.
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B
Is Dart gonna play?
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A
I guess it doesn't matter if dart doesn't play, James plays.
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B
Yeah, I don't know how. I mean, that's not. Do you. Do you. I feel like the Giants are just.
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C
Gonna continue to make Bill's life hell.
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B
Have you had a good feel for the Giants this year, betting wise?
- [57:46]
A
Probably not. Fuck it.
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C
Just wants to feel something. This Thanksgiving, he's like, I can't feel anything on this.
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A
Can't feel anything anymore.
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B
I don't know. What do you want? Cardinals. Is Baker gonna play? How. What are the odds? Baker's a psycho. Is he gonna play?
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A
He's a psycho, but also, he.
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C
Also, he hasn't really been very good lately.
- [58:13]
A
He's gonna get hit, and it will get worse.
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C
I'm gonna. I'm gonna search Baker Mayfield and see what happens. See what the world tells me.
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B
Do we do the Giants?
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C
Craig, I just saw from Ian Rapaport. Baker Mayfield has a chance to play after positive news from his mri. Oh.
- [58:28]
A
If he has a chance to play.
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C
This is from yesterday, for what it's worth.
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B
Let's bet the Giants.
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C
Let's live.
- [58:34]
A
Wait, hold on. We never do the moneyline parlay in this shit.
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B
True.
- [58:39]
A
Should we just do the Seahawks to just win the game and then just combine it with.
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C
Will that work?
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B
Well, we have to put it with something a little bit. How many massive favorites can we parlay together? Seahawks, rams, Broncos, Chargers, minus 105.
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A
I love that, but we have the Rams, though. I don't think we can do both.
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B
Yeah, and we have the Chargers and we have the Broncos. That's all.
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A
Put the Giants in Giants money line.
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B
Is there any game that we feel good about that's like a close game that we would just take as a pick?
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C
Them, like, would have to be one of the Thursday games.
- [59:10]
A
Oh, wait, let's do the Eagles to beat the Bears with this. With the Vikings, with the Seahawks to beat the Vikings.
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B
That's not enough.
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A
What does that come out to?
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B
-2. -2. 10. We need one more. And then we toss in Chargers or Broncos.
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C
But we already.
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A
We already have those teams.
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B
We have both them. Fuck. We toss in.
- [59:33]
C
Yikes.
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B
Colts.
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C
Lions. I guess we don't like betting on Lions or Chiefs.
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B
I actually hate this. Let's just.
- [59:45]
C
What about Chiefs?
- [59:46]
A
No. Yeah, fuck this. Yeah, fuck this. Just pick between Bronco, take the Broncos.
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B
No, we're doing. You want to do Giants?
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C
We already have.
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B
Let's just do Giants plus seven and a half.
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A
Who did we take out? Bills. Rams. Giants charges Broncos.
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C
Who'd we take out? The Cardinals.
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B
We took out the Cardinals. Bill's Rams. Giants charges Broncos.
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C
We don't know what Baker Mayfield stands.
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A
All right. All right.
- [60:04]
C
Although Craig would be funny to text the group again asking to reverse your trade.
- [60:08]
B
I'll probably do that. Just.
- [60:11]
C
Hey, guys, can we get out of this bet that we made? Can we change it?
- [60:15]
A
Fuck, yeah. I'm excited about Rams. Giants charges Broncos. Giants going to win the game.
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C
Giants are going to get their asses kicked.
- [60:23]
A
Get fucking rocked. All right.
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B
Okay.
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A
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C
We are thankful.
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A
We are thankful we did the whole, like, players are not thankful for a bit on Power Hour, but, like, if you're listening, we are really. I really thank you to everyone for listening. It is hard to describe how cool it is. All the people who've come around to love the show and email us to contact us and listen. So you have basically infinite options to spend your time. So it's very cool that people choose to spend it with us, especially if you're doing on a holiday or holiday weekend. So thank you to you guys. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig, for putting up with me. Thank you, Tucker. Thank you, Carlos, Kai, Ronick Austin. Just an unbelievable team, but of course, the number one. Thank you, Lord.
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B
Thank you, Lord.
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C
Thank you, Creed. By the way, are there going to be. Are there going to be halftime shows in these games on Thanksgiving?
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B
Oh, that's why you, Creed? Because it's the famous Cowboys performance. Take me higher to a place where blind men see.
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C
Was that a Thanksgiving game or was that.
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B
Yeah, it was.
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A
Yeah, it was Thanksgiving.
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B
Cowboys. Also, he's wearing a Cowboys jersey. Yes.
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A
Yeah, that's dk. They said DK didn't have it. DK still got it.
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C
I still have some memories.
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A
So good.
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B
It's somewhere in there. Some memories.
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A
Dk, that was amazing. Also the Paramount plus commercial where they had all the Paramount people and the old British man Elton John. No, he's also a Jagger. Star. Star. Star Trek.
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C
Oh, that's Patrick Stewart.
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B
Patrick.
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A
Yes. Patrick Stewart is like telling Tua to throw hey, Arnold over the mountain set to that song from Creek.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, and he's.
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A
And I don't know. And he. Patrick Stewart's basically like, stop being a Tua. It's like, unless you're scared. And Tua just throws hey, Arnold over the mountain. I was like, it's decreed. It's fucking amazing.
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C
Do you guys know what year that Creed. The famous halftime show for Creed was 94.
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B
Oh, I was gonna say a little later. I was gonna say, like, early aughts.
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A
Oh, two.
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B
Craig.
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C
Craig is right on it. Craig is on top of it. What was it, 2001?
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B
Yeah.
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Can you. Craig, can you say it one more time?
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B
Can you take me higher?
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I like.
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B
Dude, they gotta. You know the other one.
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A
Dude, the Ted Joke. It's like you can sing any song from the 90s with. No, you don't need constant. It's just all vowels.
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C
It was like hootie and the blow.
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B
Yeah. A, E, I, O, U.
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C
There was, like, a whole genre of music in that era that was just like. It just all sounded exactly like that guy. Do you guys know the other song that I listened to recently that it kind of slaps that you don't remember is the. I don't even remember who it's by, but it's like the.
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A
That was the Wolf of Wall Street.
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C
Yeah. Close.
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B
I don't know. Wait, keep going. I don't know the song you're talking about.
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A
Yeah, keep going.
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C
Hold on. I'm not gonna keep doing it. It's Crash Test Dummies. And the name of the song is literally High Fitz is never gonna get.
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A
No, it's a bop.
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B
Crash Test Dummies.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Oh, I. I see it here.
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C
This was 93, so this is a little earlier.
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A
Oh, the title of the song is.
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C
Literally, there was this kid who got into an accident and couldn't come to school. Is this not ringing a bell at all? No, fuck it. This is, like, worse than your.
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B
Mmm. Bob. Not. No, it's not.
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A
Is that Craig?
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C
This is a huge song.
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A
Craig hasn't heard of the song either.
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B
Hold on, let me listen to it.
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C
You got to go right to. You got to go right to the chorus, Craig, when they start humming.
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B
I don't think I know this.
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C
What? This was a huge song in the 90s. I have no idea.
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B
I actually don't think I know this, unfortunately, what it's from.
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C
It's in the movie Dumb and Dumber.
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B
Oh, is it?
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C
Not that you guys know that movie either.
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B
How dare you.
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C
Craig does.
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B
Dude, you know what?
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A
It seems like kind of a downer.
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C
Yeah, it is. A lot of songs in the 90s were downers. It's like grunge music.
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A
So worried about.
- [66:15]
C
What do you have? What do you have to be so morose about?
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A
Yeah, what were you so morose about?
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C
The upcoming Y2K disaster, you know?
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A
Oh, God.
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B
You guys know DK? You know, it's another great one from that generation. Do you know the song Lips of an angel by Hinder?
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C
Yeah, I'm sure I do.
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B
It's really great to hear your voice calling my name. It sounds so sweet. You know that song.
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C
Hinder?
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B
It's a fucking banger. It sounds so sweet coming from the lips of an angel. You don't know that.
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A
I don't think I feel like that's in a movie.
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B
I'm trying. It makes me weep. You don't know that.
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C
Tucker says the video is really funny.
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B
Oh, really? I haven't seen it. That's my, my least favorite era of like, like visual cinematography is like late 90s, early aughts. I think it's awful. I hate it. Like movies like the Minority Report, they all look like Linkin park videos and they make me cringe.
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C
Yes.
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B
I don't like them. Everything's like green and blue and blown out. I don't like it.
- [67:25]
A
I actually was watching the Lincoln park music video the other day and I was like, man, this day, this is like the oldest looking new look at thing I've ever seen.
- [67:33]
B
Because it's like early, early digital when it's like we're coming up with new technology, we think this looks cool and it just comes. Couldn't it aged looks horribly so quickly?
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A
Ancient.
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B
Yes. It like looks so much worse than something from 10 years earlier when it was still like film. And like.
- [67:48]
C
Well, that's just because they were using real people in real locations. It's funny how that like is cyclical now. Now it's like you go to a movie, you're like, oh my God, they used this.
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A
They.
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C
They filmed this using real light.
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B
I know.
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A
They used.
- [68:04]
C
They didn't make this in a Soundset.
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A
Ever heard of it?
- [68:07]
B
I know, that's like a compliment of the film. Now they're like, did you hear that in Dune they actually went to Hungary to film it?
- [68:13]
C
They went to a fucking place on earth.
- [68:17]
A
No way.
- [68:17]
C
Where there was real trees and shit. I'm, I'm serious though. Like, those movies are so much better. Like if you have too. If you have even like a little CGI in your movie. I'm just like.
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A
I mean, Avengers was pretty good, dude.
- [68:30]
B
Yes.
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C
But in its own way.
- [68:31]
A
DK will get around to it. He hasn't seen it yet.
- [68:34]
B
You know what though? Here's what I'll say. You watch like a movie like Avatar in the theater. Makes Avengers look like a school project.
- [68:41]
A
Really? I can't wait to see Avatar. I actually can't I cannot wait to see Avatar, Fire and Ash, which I've read ads for on this show. But I actually am pretty excited to see that thing. Not just because I think Avatar, if you haven't. Avatar, to me, is like this art project, and it's like, James Cameron just spent 12 years working on this thing, and it's like, go see it in a theater.
- [68:58]
B
I've decided I've pivoted. I feel like there's a lot of people who say that Avatar is, like, culturally irrelevant and a waste of James Cameron's time. I disagree.
- [69:08]
A
I think it was culturally irrelevant until he made the other ones, like, the 12 years before the Avatar. The second one came out. It was irrelevant. No one could have told you the main. No one could have told you the main character's name in Avatar.
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B
I'm not.
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C
Yeah.
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B
But I. The point people make, and I get it, is that, like, you don't know anybody who says Avatar is my favorite movie. Nobody ever brings it up. Oh, a favorite scene, a favorite line. There's none of that. And. And maybe that's just the people in.
- [69:32]
C
My SNL skit about the font. Oh, my God.
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B
All the time.
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A
No, it's good making. Now there's gonna be other movies because.
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C
They made a sequel. He's like, they made a sequel?
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A
No, he did it again, stacked up.
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B
Did Whale Water, and then they just bolded it.
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C
Oh, that's so good.
- [69:52]
A
Wait, you just interviewed James Cameron with the town. Did you bring up papyrus or. No.
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B
You didn't.
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A
You went all the way to see James Cameron. You didn't bring up papyrus.
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B
It's like they wrote the name of.
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C
The movie, selected the whole word, and then scrolled down to papyrus.
- [70:08]
B
It's one of the greatest bits, I think, in SNL history. Who thought of that?
- [70:12]
A
You know, actually, we have to text Matt Bella. I can't believe Matt Bellany didn't ask about the virus.
- [70:17]
B
I completely forgot. Damn it. I should.
- [70:18]
A
Thought he was a journalist. Matt Bellany.
- [70:20]
C
What are you doing?
- [70:21]
B
I know.
- [70:22]
A
What did you even talk about for two hours?
- [70:24]
C
James Cameron would have fought you if you asked that question.
- [70:26]
B
Probably I did. I did see Avatar 3, though. But I. I won't. I can't. I can't talk about it. Yeah.
- [70:32]
A
Do you want to plug it? You went to James Cameron's bunker with Matt. Matt and interviewed him.
- [70:35]
B
Yeah, we went to Light Storm, which is his company down in Manhattan beach, and we interviewed him for, like, 75 minutes. He was awesome. I. It's out right now. We put out Both parts on Monday. Go listen to him. They're great. He.
- [70:47]
A
I can't believe he didn't bring up Papyrus.
- [70:50]
C
I think that was the right move, Craig.
- [70:52]
B
Oh, well, I probably would have had I remembered. Oh, God. But go listen to him. He's like the most legendary director who basically just only makes movies that gross a billion dollars. That's like his thing.
- [71:04]
A
It's his kink, dude.
- [71:06]
C
Speaking of that, when I was in high school, there was no bigger obsession among the girls in my high school than fucking Titanic. People were going to Titanic like five, six, seven times. Because of Leo. Mainly.
- [71:19]
B
Yeah. But I mean, it was Leo. It also was like supposed to be a huge flop. It's funny, like, a lot of James Cameron's movies are like reported to be disasters on set. And everybody, they're way over budget. It's not going to work. And then Titanic was the highest grossing movie ever at the time. Same thing with Avatar. People called it the Blue Blue Smurfs in space. So they called Avatar, thought it was going to be a huge disaster.
- [71:43]
A
Pretty cool.
- [71:44]
C
Yeah, Kind of like Star wars, maybe like Star Wars a little bit. Wasn't Star wars supposed to not do well and then just caught on like.
- [71:50]
B
Dude, the craziest thing about Star Wars. George Lucas offered Steven Spielberg. They offered each other stake in their movies. Stake in their movies. And I think Spielberg turned it down.
- [72:02]
C
And now, I mean, he's fine.
- [72:04]
B
Steelbook is doing fine, but he turned it down.
- [72:07]
A
Steve, fantasy on one of the rewatches mentioned. Steven Spielberg traded the land they needed for Universal Studios for 1% of the gate.
- [72:14]
B
Yeah, the gate. That's like, Matt sounds crazy all the.
- [72:16]
A
Time I've ever heard of. My life.
- [72:18]
B
I don't think it's. It's not like it's 1%, but he, he. It's a percentage of every ticket at Universal Studios goes to Steven Spielberg. It might be, they might have like bought him out of that now, but Matt was like the greatest deal in Hollywood history.
- [72:30]
C
I love hearing about that stuff.
- [72:33]
A
That's fucking wild.
- [72:34]
C
George Lucas is like mega billionaire because of Star Wars.
- [72:38]
A
Go, go, go. Listen to the Town with Matt Bellany where they tell Pyrus he has some.
- [72:43]
B
Choice thoughts on Netflix, our future hosting platform.
- [72:47]
C
Sweet. Sure.
- [72:49]
A
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