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Week 13 Recap: Bears #1 Seed, Hobo Rodgers, Bounceback Bryce, and Jerry Jones Is Cooking
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Foreign. Welcome to the regular fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hutchinson. I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Robeck. We are going over all the games from Week 13, Sunday, or at least most of them because some of them really like truly sucked and don't deserve all over time. But we're going to go over all the things worth going over. As always. Follow us on Instagram and tik tok at ringer Fantasy football. Hope everyone had a Thanksgiving and we're going to get through everything. But first we're going to take a quick break.
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Did you say everyone had a Thanksgiving?
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Is that what I said? I don't know. I kind of just got there and then I realized I had to throw to a break and I just said it.
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Thanksgiving.
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Yeah, Thanksgiving. You know, we should keep that in.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I honestly, like, I hope everybody did.
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Have a. Yeah, me too.
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I wouldn't want them to not have one.
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We finally got a good primetime game.
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Yeah, you know, look like it was going to be.
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And it came in the unlikeliest of places.
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Washington Sometimes you don't get what you want, but you do get what you need. I think this game is why the NFL makes $20 billion a year. Because this game was cinema. It was, it wasn't totally boring. There were a couple good moments, but it was kind of a mid game with some spikes. And then the ending was absolutely gripping and electric and the mix of the. The refs were just the weird villains in this.
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It was, it was like scripted almost. Not that I'm saying the NFL is scripted, but I'm saying the drama going from an absolute shit show of the refs like fucking up a solid like five minutes of game action. Not game action, of. Of real life action. And then it turning into a really great overtime game. It was just so classic.
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There was a five minute stretch of real life where I don't think any plays were or one play was ran over like a five minute period. Land Clark, the land clerk, who again, for those who don't know Land Clark, the referee in this game is actually the head of municipal buildings in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So he's like a literally a land clerk. And they were a mess throughout this game. I mean, just to go through a few. I mean they had the Mario. Sorry, Mariota.
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We got.
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Way over correcting on the.
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How to pronounce and Tariko wasn't doing it. He to go was like, I don't care.
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He was 50. 50. He did it a few times.
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He was contagious.
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Tariko caught it. There was a point in overtime where Collinsworth was so tired he gave up. But then he got back on.
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It was kind of like he just reverted back to his mainline throwing form because he. It was so stressful.
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If, if Washington actually had a shot to like make the playoffs and this game meant more to them, this would be one of the more excruciating losses. The fact that they had the McLaren touchdown called back. Debo to the one Zach Ertz drop and then the batting pass at the end.
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Dude, McNichols was wide open on the two point attempt.
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Yeah.
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And the ball was batted down. I decided that the most frustrating play from the point of view of if you're rooting for the team on offense, the most frustrating and demoralizing play I think now for me is a batted pass. A ball that just gets knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Because you never know what could have been. You know what I mean? Like that could have been a freaking touchdown. That could have been anything. But no, it was just batted down at the line of scrimmage. It's so like just absolutely demoralized. So they obviously they lost on that.
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When they started the Manning cast, it was funny because Peyton Manning couldn't control himself around batted passes. He would be like, gosh damn it, they shouldn't allow the batted passes. It was like he couldn't contain himself.
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Oh God. The, the call that the refs got wrong, which was then reversed and then that was the wrong call reversal. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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Which one? I think that happened three times.
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It was kind of like gambling. Like I feel like if the refs just did the opposite in the fourth quarter, every call would have been correct.
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So I dk. I think there's two that I. There's sequence. I know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure. So there is a pretty bullshit false start called Terry McLaurin, which ridiculous, like.
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Basically he didn't set get set for long enough.
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You have to stand still for like half quarter of a. If you ever see the receiver looking at the ref and pointing for two seconds like they're just like, you're good, I'm good. And like you do that. That is never called. Which is probably why you've never seen that flag before. Like the, like the actual replay they showed that was never happened. And that was. And then Terry McCauley gets on is like that wasn't a flag. And then, then the next play there's a.
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My favorite thing in the world, it was even worse. The intentional grounding one was even better.
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So then there's the intentional grounding, which I also did think was intentional grounding. And I was surprised it took them so long to throw it. And. And I didn't. I think I underrate this part of the rule where Terry McCauley comes on. He's like, absolutely not intentional grounding.
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He threw the guy's head.
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He threw it over the guy's head, which I feel like never gets brought up in all the descriptions of intentional grounding.
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Yeah.
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And Terry McCauley. Terry McCauley was like, absolutely black and white. Not intentional grounding. But this took, like two or three full minutes to litigate, and the decision was to throw a flag onto the field and do that. So the whole, like, Washington kind of got fucked.
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I want to run through real quick. The. The one before that, I believe it was before those two other plays was under four minutes. Broncos leading by three on a second down. Mariota. And there's kind of stuck deep in their own end. Mariota. Sorry. Mariota. Scrambles to make it third and short. Maybe like a third and three. I don't know exactly what it was. But then the. Before they can snap the ball again to get the playoff, the expedited review steps in. And they expedite the review and tell. And tell everyone that he was actually down because he got hit in the backfield, he spun around, and his knee went down or whatever. However, the reason he was down is because he was tripped, which should have been a 15 yard penalty. But they can't fucking review that, of course, because it's the stupidest sport in the world. And so therefore, the expedited review discovers that he was actually down because of a penalty, and then they. They award the defense for doing the penalty, and now it's third and 21. And they like, what the fuck are we doing here? Can we just get it right? This is so ridiculous.
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I genuinely don't understand what the point of Terry McAuley is. His purpose is to highlight how bad the refs are on the field and how flawed the game is. I feel like all he does is worsen the product because he just comes in, he's like, that was wrong.
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Genuinely. Craig, the reason he's there is to explain the labyrinth of right, because the.
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Two guys, Collinsworth and Trico, who have been doing this for 40 years, they still don't know the rules.
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Yeah. Like, there's too many playing rules.
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Yeah. I just. It's. It's fascinating. To me that he comes in, he's like, did they got this dead wrong, Mike? Oh, interesting. Terry. Okay, thanks. I'm like, it's replay assist. Can they not help with this? The other part is Terry not in the replay assist crew. Why is he. He talking to them?
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Well, there, that's what I don't get, Craig. Is that so that Terry works for NBC and the replay assist is the head of the refs of New York, but Terry McCauley and the replays, this guy are that Walt Anderson or Walt Coleman, whoever does it, they're in communication the entire game.
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It's like he's in his little booth.
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And his little green screen in front, like next to Tico and them, but he's like on speed. They're like on the phone with the refs in New York the whole time so that they go back and forth because the TV station has to send the camera angles to the refs anyway. So the refs, NBC, they're. Yeah, all the refs don't have their own cameras. The refs are getting the NBC angles from NBC. So they were in communication the whole time. So how Terry McAuley could be like, this is definitively the wrong call when he's basically on the phone with the head guy doing the replay assist. It blows my mind.
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Can replay assist change that call or is that not allowed?
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I think the real answer is they have to. There's a matter of body language. And sometimes the refs, if you kind of chime in and you have your call and you realize 20 seconds later you made the wrong call. Yeah, I think if they change the replay, you can't be the all knowing God in the sky, just kind of changing things like strikes of lightning and then be like, oops, whoopsies, take backsies. We actually going to undo that?
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Honestly, I feel like, like baseball's getting the robot umps. I'm at the point now where I'm like, these refs on the field, they're too close to it.
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They need to go up in the booth.
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Wait, hold on, hold on.
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I want them further away. Like, I actually, maybe it should only be New York calling games. And then there's just a mouthpiece actually announcing what New York is telling us.
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No, you're close, Craig.
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You're just doing the signs.
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You're close.
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Okay.
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Terry McCauley should be the replay assist because he's better than the people. Like, all the good refs are getting paid to work for the TV networks.
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I don't know what intentional grounding is. I don't, I've also, I don't, I don't know what a. I don't know what a pick play is because that play at the end of the game, is that not a pick play sometimes. And it's like, oh, if it was.
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It has to be within like a yard or two.
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It's within a yard or two. And it also frankly depends on how well you sell that. You're running around 100.
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It's all super subjective.
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There was a super. I'm not going to remember, I think it was over Thanksgiving, one of the three games they called a pick play or something. And then whatever commentator was like, oh, I don't agree with that at all. Like that that was a natural route. That is not a pick play. This one tonight seemed a little bit more like a pick play. But so I don't, I have no idea how that works either. I just don't. I don't get it.
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Anyway, I just wanted to get all that off my chest. This, the, the refereeing was just like so ridiculous for a while there. But ultimately we were saved by what ended up being a fun overtime period. Whatever. Like, that doesn't need to be the story of the game, but it did piss me off.
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I mean, it's better. I mean, look, you know, it's something to talk about. Before that, all we had was Traylon Burks coming out of nowhere to catch up one handed.
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Hell yeah.
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Odell Beckham.
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Never a doubt. Never a doubt. Traylon Burks, he's bad.
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I, I don't know. My other takeaways are like, Mariota is a dog. Sorry, it's Mario T. Mario T is a dog.
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He looked good.
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I do think Chris Collinsworth just knows that people don't know to say his last name. So then he asked Marcus Mariota and he was like, oh, there's a T. Got to really hit the T. And then Collinsworth, he started doing the. Like when white people say Ibiza or something like, you know what I mean? Like he just started like really hitting the te.
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It's the opposite of Toronto. You know how you're, you're supposed to say Toronto?
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Yeah.
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And we've been saying Mariota Toronto. Toronto. I guess I just naturally just say Toronto because I was so curious. It was like freaking me out. And then I saw that it was trending on Twitter too. People were like, what is this pronunciation of Mariota? And he says it like pretty much the way that they were saying it. I do think they were kind of like the tea Was a little bit harder than he says it, than Mariota says it, but it was. I think generally they were right. It's just one of those things. We haven't been saying that for the last eight years.
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I mean, for the last two weeks, we've had a bit on the show about how dads mispronounce things. And we got, we got it live on Sunday Night Football with Collinsworth. Who knows? I don't know if that's a mispronunciation, but he was certainly putting some mustard on the ta.
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He was.
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There was some mustard.
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Mariota.
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Oh, wait, Kai, do you have. You have the thing of how Mariota says he pronounces his own name right?
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Mariota.
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Yes. I think he's Mariota.
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There's a little bit of a emphasis.
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On T, but I see how it comes out when Chris says it as Mario. Ta.
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Mariota. Mariota.
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It was distracting. It was really distracting. I'm just being honest.
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Ultimately, though, like, they were probably kind of. Right.
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Yeah, exactly. Okay. Anything else in this game also do want to shout out Alex Singleton, the Broncos linebacker, who.
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Oh, yeah, that was a great play again. It was, it was, it was. At the time, it felt like a game saving play, but then the, the game went haywire. But obviously Alex Singleton coming back, he. He was diagnosed with testicular cancer like two weeks ago and he's already back on the field. Somehow I don't understand how that happened, but obviously, huge play. Awesome, awesome story. And just want to shout him out too.
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What I learned tonight was that I, I no longer fear Denver's defense and I, I'm not going to trust them in the playoffs. They could not stop Marcus Mariota for like three straight drives, like, marching down the field. They basically scored three different touchdowns in the overtime. Washington. That's on Denver. I mean, it was unbelievable. And, And Cliff. And Cliff can really call a game. Like, Cliff did a great job tonight.
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The, the hole in the Broncos death star is when your white cornerback plays 80 snaps.
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Riley Moss turns out just getting cooked by.
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He's the mark. Oh, my voice just.
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Yeah. You can't spot the white cornerback after 30 minutes at the table.
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I know.
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You are the white quarterback.
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He should wear sleeves.
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Like those little Lamar Jackson thing.
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Yeah. Don't out himself like that visor and.
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Sleeve and like a turtleneck. Yeah, that's funny.
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Looks like he's going out in the desert or something. Just like.
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No.
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Oh, my God. All right, winners or losers? I have. I have a loser here. My loser for this week is the entire NFL as I knew it.
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Okay.
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I feel we learned a lot today. You learned a lot. I feel like this week really punctuated that. The era we were just in in the NFL is, like, kind of over, but the new one has yet to begin. And so this season is just in between. And like the teams that were dominating the last five, six years, three, four years, whatever you want to call it, Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, for a little bit, the Eagles, the Lions, all those teams are bad or way worse or won't make the playoffs or will make the playoffs and just aren't very good and frankly, aren't very scary. And then the teams that have replaced them atop the NFL standings, like the Patriots being the one seed of the afc or the Bears, Bears being the one seed in the NFC if the season ended right now.
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Denver.
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Denver. Watching this Denver game, who. Bo Nicks had a great play for a touchdown and also some really stupid plays. And. I don't know. I just. The teams at the top. If you just look at the standings in the NFL right now, none of the division winners make up. You don't have much confidence in any of the teams that are winning the divisions currently. Like, the Broncos don't inspire. I mean, the defense is awesome. The Jaguars are winning the AFC South. The Ravens and Steelers are tied for the division lead. The Patriots are running away with the AFC East. Like, you know what I mean? It's like the Bears are winning the NFC North. The Bucks and Panthers, seven wins apiece at the top of the NFC South.
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What are the Panthers?
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I don't know. And so, dk, I'm curious what you think, but I really do think this era of, like, Chiefs, Mahomes, Lamar, the Eagles, Lions, it's like, that's not really it anymore. But we don't know what the next one is. And so this season has been so hard for me to figure out, but I feel like I kind of just. It was unavoidable.
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Yeah, I mean, you laid it out pretty well. I think it's the. The short way of saying it. There are no great teams this year.
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It does feel that there's no great teams. I think that the defining narrative of this season is when I talk to friends who watched football, they're like, who's going to win the Super Bowl? And I'm like, I. I don't know.
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I. I don't have no idea today. And I was like. Well, I was gonna say the Rams, but they just lost to Bryce Young, who looked like a middle schooler, like, six days ago.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know what to say. The other thing, it's not just there's no great teams, dk, because I think there's. It's been a minute where we've been complaining about no great teams for like, five years.
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I know. It's one of those things we say a lot, I feel like. But this year really feels real now.
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When you look back, you're like, Jesus Christ, the Eagles last year were amazing.
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But you know why the difference is? It's not that there's just that there's no great teams. It's also that having the great players at quarterback doesn't necessarily matter because, I mean, the Bills won today and Josh Allen's playing really well. But like, Lamar, at the rate he's not playing great, Mahomes, I think, is playing well. And it doesn't really matter for Kansas City. Like, if you look around, I think that's the same thing, too, with maybe our perception catching up of, like, who are the great quarterbacks right now? Like, honestly, I mean, where's Jordan Love rank right now among players you would need to win next week? Like, he's ahead of Lamar.
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He's.
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You know what I mean? And I think that that's another thing where.
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So is Max Brosmer, though. So.
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Yeah, no, that's true.
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Max Brosmer, he's ahead of Lamar right now, anyway. No, you're right, though, Heifetz. I completely agree with you. It's very bizarre. Like, the best quarterbacks in the league are not on the best teams in the league, which is kind of just an odd situation. And a lot of the teams that we kind of thought were frauds are winning a lot still. It's like the Jags continue to win, the Bears continue to win. The packers, who we've been questioning all year, the Cowboys are kind of moving into that territory. And all the teams from the beginning of the season and from the last few years that we thought were really good, the Colts, the Chiefs, the Lions, the Eagles, the Rams are all losing. So it's going to be. It's going to be one of those weird years where whoever wins the Super Bowl, I don't want to say it's going to be unmemorable, because that's not true. Because this actually might end up being. I think this is going to be one of the most fun NFL playoffs because I think there's going to be so much chaos.
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Parody is good.
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You're going to have no idea what's going to happen. But I do think looking back 10 years from now, it'll be. It's like when. Remember when the Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA title in 2021?
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Oh yeah.
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That just, that was just kind of a year that happened. Like they played the Suns. Yeah. That was the Finals. And I do, I do think looking back this year might be like that where it's like, oh yeah, remember that year the Seahawks won the Super Super Bowl? Remember that?
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Well, that's a little mean.
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What the hell.
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I remember the Bucks.
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The Bucks one's a good example because that Nets, no one remembers this stuff. But the second round, the Bucks was like game seven or something against the Nets and Durant, foot on the line. Durant had his big toe on the line for three pointer and they would have won. But no one remembers that. The position before that Giannis had James Harden one on one in the post and instead of trying to score on James fucking Harden, he passed the ball and they missed. And all anyone would have Talked about for six months was the Bucks were eliminated in Game 7 because Giannis didn't want to try to score on James Harden. Yeah, and, but. And then instead he went and won a title in cement his legs. And it's like, like that happens all the time.
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So.
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Sorry, dk, I won't say Seahawks, we're gonna.
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No, no.
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Remember that year that the Colts.
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No, no. The answer honestly, I don't want you.
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To look at them like there's some kind of aft also ran team.
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It just feels like every team will be like, the Broncos won this. Like I don't even know who the team would be that I'd be like, that's right. That's correct.
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You need a season or two like spri between dynasties and whatnot, you know. But after all this said, watch the frickin Chiefs and Eagles go back to the super bowl again.
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We'll see if the Chiefs make the playoffs.
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I'm a Giants fan. I love when random teams win the Super Bowl. With that said though, I do think the biggest winner of the week. Craig, we said on Friday that if. Or we said our preview last week, if the Chiefs could go into. If the Chiefs could host Kansas City and win.
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You mean if Dallas can host Kansas City.
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Yeah. God. You know what? You just do it. I can't speak English between this and the intro.
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C
What did you say exactly? Craig, what did you say?
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I think I said if Cowboys had Thanksgiving.
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Yes.
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Right.
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If Dallas can. If Dallas can take the Chiefs down at home on Thanksgiving, then they are for real team. And I fully Believe they are. I think Dak is playing as good as any quarterback right now and Matt Stafford is overshadowing him. Because if Stafford wasn't doing what he's doing, I think way more people will be talking about Dak. He's been amazing. They beat the Chiefs 31:28. And honestly, if you ask me if the playoffs start right now, I think Dallas looks like one of the best three teams in the league. And I think their defense has been a lot better. If you look at some of the stuff after the Quinn and Williams trade, Jerry Jones is kind of cooking. Let me give you this. Before the Quinn and Williams trade, the Cowboys were literally dead last in defensive rushing success rate. After the trade, they're fifth. It's only been three games. And you know, they play teams perhaps, but like, you know, their defense has gone from bad to average, it seems. And their offense is fucking incredible. And Pickens is a top five receiver in the league, CD is a top five receiver in the league. And Dak is playing as good as any quarterback, you know, distributor in the NFL. And I'm kind of just like, I kind of think Dallas is, is very likable right now. And I think that's weird. I think everybody has always hated the Cowboys, and it's fun to hate the Cowboys, but I actually think right now they are America's team. To me, like, I feel like people. The Pickens thing is really funny and we made another super likable.
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The sun coming into the fucking.
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The sun's hilarious. Like Schottenheimer's kind of likable.
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C
Joe Buck's like, oh, God, yes. Like, dude, the sunlight coming through.
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A
They.
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C
They showed some video of it in this game. It was just like fucking like Jesus Christ is coming back from the dead or something. It was like shining in brighter than anything I've ever seen in my life.
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A
I.
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C
How did they manage this? It's like there's a fucking magnify.
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A
It was already pretty bright before.
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B
Like, don't you think right now if you could pick any team you want to be in the super bowl, in the nfc, you're picking Dallas.
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A
I mean, as a Giants fans know, but I know what you're saying.
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B
You know what I mean?
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C
I will say though, like legitimately, from a football point of view, the Cowboys do have some elements of a team that can win in the playoffs. They can run the ball, they can pass the hell outta the ball.
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B
They have two elite score on anybody.
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C
They can. And now they can stop the run. I think right now they can make opposing teams one dimensional.
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B
They beat the Chiefs and the Eagles in back to back weeks and yet they're still the 9 seed in the NFC. They're not even in the playoffs. Right.
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A
Well, I was gonna say this is. Dak is a good example of what we're talking about. I don't know where you want to rank all these people, but whoever you would say of who are the best quarterbacks in the NFL, I mean it. There's. It's very possible that Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, almost the playoffs.
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B
Yeah, I know.
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A
Which is hilarious because those might be the best player quarterbacks in the entire league for five in the top eight or whatever. No, the Cowboys are really good and also just fantasy, just dominating Craig. You nailed this. In the off season, both of you guys talked about how the Cowboys were the cheaper off brand version of the Bengals. And that's exactly what's what's happened where it's like, yeah, I mean like Pickens, Prescott, Javante were like the most affordable stack on the most obvious team ever. And like I wish we had gone on at harder.
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B
It's worked. Yeah, it's worked out better than why we even could have imagined. I'm like, it's like the knockoff that's actually better than the name brand.
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C
The Cowboys feel like that team in your. In your dynasty league or whatever. That makes a bunch of insane trades. But on the like, on the total, they're actually a much better team. Like we, we all made fun of them for the Micah Parsons trade and we probably should have, but the Pickens trade was a fucking steal. Or it's looking like one right now. He's one of the best receivers in the NFL and it's like that evens it out a little bit. Obviously we've made fun of like how much they paid for Quinn Williams, but he's come in, made them really, really good.
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A
From Jerry said he offered Parsons at a first for Quinn Williams.
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B
That cannot be right.
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A
That cannot be the word. He said the jets turned it down because they couldn't fit Parsons's deal in their cap. I find it hard to believe that the jets would have been like Parsons at a first for Quinn and they.
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B
Said, no, there's no way in hell that's true. Jerry's just like doing the Jerry.
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A
Dude. This is the dude. This is the story of Jerry Jones's entire life. He's trying to shoot himself in the foot. He misses and he's trying and it just a bunch of Oil shoots out of the ground.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Oh, he's the best. I'm rooting for Dallas. I'm all in, by the way, Craig.
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A
Speaking of which, George Pickens. I. I saw this and I thought I was reading it wrong. It's true. This is. I saw this at the Athletic. George Pickens has more receiving yards than all this Pittsburgh Steelers receivers combined.
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B
Oh, I feel like you could probably cut that number in half. And he still has more than all the Steelers receivers.
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A
I know the Steelers use a lot of tight ends and we're counting receivers here, but do you know how hard it is to have more than entire receiving core?
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B
Is this not. This is not including tight end. So this is basically like DJ Metro receivers.
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A
But yeah, it's Met Calvin Metcalf, Calvin Austin. Yeah, they don't use a ton, but regardless, they didn't get enough for George Pickens.
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B
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, again, I will reiterate that. Like it would. It's not like Pickens would have been doing this on Pittsburgh right now. No, like, oh my God, I can't believe they gave that up. Like, the Steelers offense is in shambles and Pickens would have been pissed and doing terribly.
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A
I think it highlights how strange it was that the Steelers chose to turn around and then give DK Metcalf of all people, $140 million. Whose skill set at this point? DK, I think is fair to say it. We had questions about how it would work with Rogers. It doesn't work with Aaron Rodgers at all. And I don't understand why he's the guy. They decided they should have gone and got Devonte Adams. How did they let Devonte Adams go to the Rams? Devonte Adams should be on the Steelers.
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B
Yep, 100%.
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C
Adams wanted to be with a real team.
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B
No, that's fine. The Steelers are a shell of a team anyway.
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A
Yeah. So the Cowboys are a big winner. Speaking of Devonte Adams. Devonte Adams and the Rams lost. Dk, do you think the Rams are more of a loser or Panthers are a winner today?
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C
I would say the Panthers are more of a winner. I was more. I came out more impressed with the Panthers than I was disappointed, I guess with the Rams. The Rams just had an off game, I think, generally speaking. But the Panthers came in and made some big time plays. I mean, coming into big time froze. Big time froze. The Rams were ten and a half point favorites coming into this game.
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B
Oh, we know.
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C
We bet on them. They'd won six straight. They'd just beaten the Bucks Seahawks and the 49ers, all pretty good teams in NFC. The Rams looked like a buzz saw. Basically. Matt Stafford came into this game with 30 touchdowns and two picks. And then the Panthers come in. They pick off Stafford twice, including in the first quarter. In the first quarter they also got a sack fumble that they recovered late in the game to seal the game. They dominated on. Well, they played pretty well on third downs and they dominated in time of possession. I didn't check this, but I heard on the broadcast that they held the ball for 13 out of 15 minutes in the third quarter. Like that's how you beat Stafford.
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A
It was worse than that. The Rams ran three plays in the third quarter.
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C
That's wild.
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A
Which was tied for or sorry, was not tied. It was just the fewest amount of plays any team has ran in any quarter all season.
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C
Really.
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A
The Rams in the third quarter. And that was after they.
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B
There's not many other numbers you could. Not many. There's not many other amount of plays you could run.
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C
Three and a half. Do less than three unless you throw like a pick.
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A
Max Brosman maybe we should check that, maybe change that later. But I. The. The Rams offense was doing so well. I don't even know if they had a third down for the first two drives. They couldn't stop moving the ball and then they kind of just came unglued. But I just kind of thought. I couldn't believe the Panthers were.
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C
What do you make of this Panthers team? The. They're 7 and 6 on the year now. They lost to the 49ers last week. The week before that Bryce Young passed for almost 500 yards in an overtime win over the Falcons. The week before that they lost the fucking Saints 17 to 7. They beat the packers in week nine and they beat the Cowboys in week six. I think this is a somewhat good team. But they also have some incredibly terrible losses. There's games where Bryce Young like, like Heifetz says he looks legitimately like a middle schooler out there. And in this game, Bryce Young, he had two fourth down touchdowns and he had a third and eight touchdown. I mean he was so clutch in this game, made some incredible plays. They. They were beaten flat. Stanley, who's been one of the most like one of the best stories on the Rams all year. He's been really good for them, making tons of plays.
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A
Emmanuel Forbes, the 160 pound former cornerback, Washington draft in the first round somehow. And then now he's.
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C
He got beat for two touchdowns on fourth down plays in this game. I don't know the the the Panthers are a mysterious team.
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A
I think this was reminding me that Dave Canales is a good game planning offensive coach. And he looked at the what Niners are doing and he was like why aren't you going at Emmanuel Forbes every single time? And like also the Panthers receiving cord's giant because it's like a pickup truck, you know for a guy could try to compensate the quarterback's so small that the Panthers believe it or they showed this on the broadcast today. The Panthers have the tallest receiving core in the NFL. Cause it's like Jalen Coker 63 but you know 64 even though he doesn't play it all the time but like Ted McMillan 65 like they're huge and I think they looked at Emmanuel Forbes and they're like all of us are so much bigger than you. And that was kind of the game plan. But Bryce Young I agree DK I I am confounded trying to analyze Bryce Young. This guy who the Robert Sala, the defensive coordinator for the Niners six days ago with so much less talent than the Rams made Bryce Young look like he does not belong even as a backup in the NFL. Like so incapable and the idea and again the losing to the Saints looking like he did against the Niners and then beating the Cow. I mean the Cowboys at least that was pre trade. The defense is awful. I get it. I even two weeks ago, the 450 yards I'm like oh my God, this game was confounding to me.
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B
I don't even know what my takeaways are to be honest. Like watching it, I'm like Bryce looks great. Like these deep balls he's hitting on fourth down. The touchdown was awesome and everything was right on the money. He looked super calm. He's very happy. I think he's the happiest quarterback in the league.
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C
The only thing I want to add on the Rams here bad loss for the Rams. But it's not obviously not. No one's freaking out. Devonte Adams is absolutely insane this year. He has 52 catches for 689 yards and 14 touchdowns. The next closest guy in the NFL right now is Aman Ross Brown or at least receivers is Amon Ross Brown with nine touchdowns. Devonte Adams on pace for 20 touchdowns this year and that would best his career high which is 18 which also.
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A
Has anyone had 20 touchdowns since Randy Moss and Os.
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C
No he is so Dante Adams's career high is 18 which is third most all time only ran Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. Randy Moss said 23. And Jerry Rice had 22 in his season. So what we're seeing is incredible from Devonte Adams. I don't know if he'll obviously continue this pace, but they use him as like their goal line back. He's just so unstoppable.
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B
He's fucking cooking in the paint, which. He's literally just like a guy with great post moves. His footwork is unbelievable. He's like Mike Allstott. They just like third one put throw to devonte right.
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C
Can't stop him.
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A
The other winner. I think this may be. This team might be the biggest winner the whole weekend, the Chicago Bears. We have to. We have been so hard on this team at points. We have to give. Give them the flowers, as they say. The Bears a year ago on Black Friday, one of the most fun pods we've ever been able to do is the Bears fired Matt flu because he botched the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game. And like the end of half, everything goes. They fired Matty. Black Friday, a year later, the Bears beat the defending super bowl champion Eagles 24 to 15 in Philadelphia. Bears nine and three. And the Bears right now are the number one seed in the NFC, which is both not real, but also they deserve congratulations because the Bears just are competent in all these ways. I didn't think they could be competent. And they're doing an awesome job and they're a fun team to watch.
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C
Did you know that the. After. After this week, I guess there's still Monday night pending. But the Bears are number one in the NFL and rushing success rate. Their run game is fucking sick.
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A
The run game is unbelievable. Like they're. Look, there are aspects. The Bears have pulled stuff out of their ass all year. It's like the. I mean, they had. They'd been outscored by. By the opponents.
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B
Yeah. This week. Yeah, I mean, probably closer to like a 7 and 5 team or something like that.
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A
They lead the league in turnovers. They're the classic. Like, I'm gonna do a memento tattoo. Like, do not believe in the Bears next year. They have 24 turnover. Like Kevin Byer, the safety leads the NFL in picks. And then Nashan Wright's fifth or. Sorry, he's second with the fifth most picks. He forced the. But having said that, the run game and what Ben Johnson has done. Ben Johnson came in and just overhauled the interior offensive line. He got Drew Dalman at center and Jonah Jackson at right guard and Joe Tuna at left guard. And we talked about it all off season. The rare offensive line overhaul that completely Immediately worked where the Bears went from cannot run to absolutely dominant running the ball. And it's so. I mean, the Bears running backs in this Eagles game, both running backs, Kyle Manungai and DeAndre Swift had over a hundred yards, like mid third quarter.
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B
And they both look good.
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A
They both looked great.
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C
They're both breaking tackles. They're both really sharp.
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B
DeAndre Swift looks like a completely different person this year.
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C
We want to know why, Craig. They're number one by a mile in yards before contact rush.
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B
There you go.
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A
Do you want to know why the NFL is weird in a nutshell was watching this game where DeAndre Swift was so incompetent at getting what was blocked for him behind the Eagles offensive line, which was the best in the NFL, that they replaced DeAndre Swift with Saquon Barkley, who then got like 2,000 yards. And then in this game, one year later, the Bears ran for 18 first downs and the Eagles ran for two with Saquon Barkley.
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C
Impossible.
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A
Yeah, it's actually. Football is a crazy game, man. It is crazy how fast the turntables and like the, the Bears again, the Bears and I had two players run for 100 yards in the same game since 1985. Like the 85 Bears, like top five NFL team of all time was the last time. And they did this in the middle of the third quarter against the Eagles in a game that was so windy that it was clear they were going to be running. But what Ben Johnson does with all the, the, the runs and football, it's.
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C
It's motions, misdirections. The way that he sequences plays is really smart. I don't know he. I don't know exactly what his secret sauce is. Obviously, like, a lot of people would like to know that, but man, he is really good at calling an offense and their run game is the foundation of it right now. And I think Caleb Williams is playing okay. I think he's. He has flashes. He has some bad plays too, but you can't, you can't deny he's like way more under control and, and taking way fewer sacks and just playing a lot more.
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A
So much disciplined, at least.
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B
It's funny because his time to throw is like the same as it was last year, but his sac rate is way down because he's just being way smarter in the pocket and he's knowing how to maneuver out of sacks and using natural ability. It's. It's like if you could just get him to be Jared Goff, which I know Jared Goff is a good quarterback. And that's not easy. But if he could just become Jared Goff and then add in his ridiculous physical talent, like it's like scrambling. Imagine if Jared Goff had Saquon thighs. Is like what Caleb Williams could be with a way better arm, obviously too. But I don't know if it's you saying that you're not going to believe in the Bears next year. I think the record is smoke and mirrors. But we were talking earlier this year in the offseason about how coaches in year two, you don't, you know, don't really necessarily look at what they did in year one and extrapolate that out. Like, know that things can improve greatly between year one and year two. We're seeing what Canales is doing with the Panthers right now. It's like things are starting to come together and he is not a great roster. I don't know. The record I don't care about. But like, I guess more in fantasy I'm talking about or like betting on these Bears players. I think I'm going to be very high on on year two of Ben.
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A
Johnson, Bears Yeah, the defense is not going to get 25 turnovers or whatever through 12 games, 13 games. But yeah, the offense, I think is totally legit. And the thing is, I think there's a lot of meat left to the bone because the running game's really good. The passing games is. Is on its way. I think people are probably pissed. The Roman dun, he had like under two points. It was really windy. He was open. Caleb missed some throws, but I don't want to over index on that because it was windy as hell and Caleb made plays and other important moments. But overall it was an awesome game. And the Bears, and they're fun, they're good stories all around. Like Nishan Wright, this season is a really cool story. Like again, the just top three linebackers just not playing is also just an unbelievable ring. Like, everything about what the Bears are doing is pretty cool. So it's very fun on the other side.
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C
What the fuck is going on with the Eagles?
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B
This is a perfect segue to the I am become Death Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear. I think we have to give it to A.J. brown, our guy who was the number one scoring wide receiver on the week. He had 30 fantasy points. He had 10 catches, 132 yards and two touchdowns. He is the wide receiver one over the last two weeks. He is the wide receiver five since week seven in which he has games of 21 points, 26 and 30. And yet every time he has a good game, they lose.
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A
Coincidence?
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C
I actually don't think it's related. You know, he's like the only thing they can fucking do on offense.
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B
Right? Yeah, no, I know.
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C
I, I just to be clear, I don't think he's the reason they're losing.
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B
He could be though.
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A
Maybe.
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C
Maybe his like, weird vibes.
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A
It's like they used to think that ice cream caused polio, because if you looked at charts of ice cream sales in polio, and it turned out they just were both in the summer, but people were like, I wonder about that. That's the A.J. brown with the Eagles losses. Jalen Hurts is just looking at these.
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B
Charts and I'm sure Patulo's like, I think we should not throw to him as much. And everyone's like, yeah, I was, Dude, A.J.
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A
Brown is. But, but the Eagles though. The Eagles. A.J. brown was Oppenheimer. Like, he had an amazing game. But the Eagles to me are just so over. Like, it's so over. Like, the Eagles are so over. Like this. They were getting booed at halftime, like, and the Bears did a great job, but the Eagles are broken. They went up 21 nothing on the Cowboys at halftime. And then since then, they had four straight quarters with just three points. The Bear, I mean, again, the Eagles can't run the ball like, the Bears ran for again, seven, sorry, 17 first downs. The Eagles ran for two sake, one under 60 yards nine times this season. That's right.
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C
He's like that. He's. Isn't he done basically half of what he did last year?
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A
Yes, literally. It's like literally half. And then the Eagles in the same.
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C
Amount of games or whatever. It's not like he's, you know, whatever.
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B
No, he's averaging 120 yards rushing a game last year. Now it's like 60.
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A
The Eagles offense is also the coordinator. It's designed so poorly and it goes to Kevin Petullo, the coordinator, but it's like it's Nick Sirianni's offense. Like, it's Patulo's, it's Nick Sirianni's offense there. And where we say it's not creative, but what we're talking about, the Eagles are bottom five in pre snap motion. So they're not trying to confuse the defense before the play. They're bottom two and play action fakes at the rate. So they're also not trying to confuse the defense after the play. And they're predictable like AJ And I mean this literally. AJ Brown literally lines up with a slot less than any receiver in the NFL. Like out of 139 receivers in the NFL, A.J. brown is in the slot literally last. Last than every other player. So everyone. And it's so. I thought this Bears Eagles game was so apparent. Like it's so obvious because then the Bears Ben Johnson had a play where DJ Moore lined up at fullback offset to the left like Kyle Jus check on the Niners and then motion Colson Loveland and then DJ Moore fucking goes and crack blocks Zach Bond. And I never would have thought DJ Moore could block Zach Bond until I saw it with my own eyes. And Kyle Manon guy runs for like 20 yards. And then when you see what Ben Johnson is doing, not just to create motion for big cool plays, but to create angles in the running game and non traditional ways where it not just helps the passing game, but you're helping the running game because all the defenders on the Eagles are suddenly like, you don't know. You could get hit by anyone at any time. Like, you have to keep your head on a swivel because when thinking you're not reacting, you're thinking, yes, exactly. And so tight ends are blocking defensive tackles and they're winning, which is a schematic advantage, but it also creates a mental one. And then you see the Eagles and you're like, they don't have to worry about any of this stuff. When you play the Eagles, I mean.
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C
You said it's going to happen. You said they're second to last or last in the NFL and play action rate, like that's been a huge part. That's what, that's been a huge part of what the Bears are doing. They're getting under center, they're running play action. Like you said, they're using all kinds of different motions and sending guys on crack blocks across the formation. And they're using, they're using personnel and formation to like mask what they're doing. So basically like they can run the same concept but with a different personnel group.
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B
Yeah, it's.
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C
And it's just like makes it really, really hard for the opposing defenses to figure it out.
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B
Ben Johnson put it very simply before, after he got hired by Chicago, he was on pardon my take and he was like, my just my whole goal, my whole philosophy is to make the same plays look different and make the different plays look the same.
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C
I love that. Yeah.
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B
And he's like, that's, that's like the goal to the modern offense is create confusion like that. And the Eagles are like, they make all every play looks exactly like what it exactly is. On the left, devonte Smith's on the right. They're gonna run straight and turn around.
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A
So with that said, I had an intrusive thought. Watching this equals game. Like a true intrusive thought in the vein of I don't believe it, but I actually kind of think I'm right. And I believe it's. It's a take in embryonic form.
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C
Let's hear it.
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A
I'm watching this Eagles Bears game and I'm like, jalen Hurts should be on the bench. And they would have a way better chance if Tanner McKee was starting. Like, honestly, like, Jalen Hurts should come in.
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C
Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts.
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B
Maybe even if it's just Tanner McKee calling plays, maybe that would be better.
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A
Maybe you should do that. But the play calling, it's the chicken. They can't run, they can't throw. But I. I like Jalen Hurts. He should kind of come in for the tush push and goal line. They're amazing at the goal line because of Jalen Hurts. But what's weird is Jalen hurts. He can't really play from the pocket unless he has. And again, Eagles fans are going to lose their minds. But they know at this point, when you have the best offensive line in the league, it's totally healthy. Yeah, you have the best line of the league and totally healthy. And Saquon is the best running back in the NFL and your receivers are A.J. brown and Devonte Smith, and everyone's healthy. Yeah, Jalen Hurts fucking is great. And when it's not like that, it looks like this. And I gotta tell you, for the ones where everyone knows where it's coming, like the tush bush and the goal line, why can't he just come in for that? Is Tanner McKee really going to be worse than what we're watching with Hertz? Yeah. When you can't throw under, run, or play from the pocket. Like, this is the Hurts playing from the pocket. He can't really deal with zone defenses. Like, he. He's so the processing takes so long that he, like, nothing's on time. So he can't believe in the pocket, but he can't throw on the run. So he doesn't really create a create out of structure.
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B
And he doesn't throw in the middle. AJ Brown is constantly open over the middle of the field. Every time there's a fucking replay, he's just like waving his hands 15 yards down the field behind the linebackers. And Hertz will Just keep throwing it to the sideline.
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A
You know why Jalen Hurts is 6:1, and if he was 6ft flat, it's all we talk about is he's short.
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B
We need a name for this. When we think the backup could do a better job than the starter like Davis Mills or Jacoby Brissette or something. I don't know what it is, but this feels like something Bill Simmons would have come up with 15 years ago. It's like kind of the Ewing theory, but it's more specific to backup quarterback. I don't know what it is, but there is. There's definitely something out there where it's like the backup could probably just run this offense better.
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A
Is there like a team that had a quarterback that they had given a big contract to and then like the backup came in and made.
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B
But if foes is different because the Eagles were already good with.
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C
He's. I think he's talking about Brady. No, I thought you were talking about Brady.
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A
Well, Brady, yeah.
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B
But yeah, the Eagles were good with Winston. He was like an MVP candidate. And I don't know what it is, but it's basically what's happening with Brissette in Arizona.
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A
Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if you have a name, we need.
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C
A witty name for it. We know we're not the first people to think of this, but we need a good name.
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A
Yeah, we need a name.
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C
We need the branding.
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A
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Brown the goat.
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Seahawks had four picks. Did they have any other turnovers? I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Yeah, they had a fumble too. 5.
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C
Yeah. So they did a pretty good job in this one. Turns out Max Brosnan for Viking fans, saying or asking can it get worse than what we've seen with JJ McCarthy? I think you got your answer today. Um, it was funny because, well, I don't even. I feel bad like piling on at this point on Max Brosner. He's. He shouldn't have been in there probably, obviously, but there was like a little featurette before the game. He's like I've never been like the most physic physically impressive, fastest or biggest or strongest. But I always, I play with my head, you know, and I think that can get me really far. And I'm just like the pick six that he threw to Ernest Jones.
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B
That was, that was rough. That was, that was one of the worst plays I've ever seen in my life. I mean he like softball pitched the football like 40 miles an hour into Ernest Jones's lap.
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A
That looked like a heat seeking missile targeted to a defender.
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C
That was tough.
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A
It look, I don't think it could have gone more directly to a defender if he had tried with his life depending on it.
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C
Greg Olson after the play was like, this is a learning moment for him. Yeah, the play's over, man. Just let it be over.
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A
I. I get it though, because it's hard to admit that you're on the four and you're like at the 20 and you're like just going to go down and that was. It was the worst possible outcome.
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B
Yeah, it's also hard because I. Backups obviously make these plays more than starters because the backups are worse. But it's also like there's the element of they want to prove themselves to like get another job or get another up. So it's like they're always trying their hardest to like make something magical happen and it's most of the time it ends up in dis. It's also an ick that it's Brosmer. I don't like that. Max.
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C
That's how they, that's how they pronounced it in the game. Yeah.
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B
Brosmer. Don't. Look, I don't love.
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C
Who knew?
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A
I mean, Max Brosmer two years ago was playing against like New Hampshire. He was in like the Nescac or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? I don't think he was prepared for the speed of the Seahawks defense. Perhaps. I don't know. I. We're going to go with. I assume J.J. mcCarthy's concussion is real. Probably for. Probably a well timed one for his career arc because if he had been healthy and played in this game and JJ McCarthy had been the one to throw four interceptions, I don't know what would have become of JJ McCarthy's career.
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C
It wasn't going to be good for anyone to play the Seahawks defense the way they're playing right now.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was maybe, perhaps calculated by Kevin o' Connell and it was smart.
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A
Next. Next one for Oppenheimer here. TK Jordan Love and the packers and Thanksgiving were pretty impressive.
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C
I want to give him a shout out because I feel like we've been a little wishy washy on how much we were confident in him. He was really, really clutch in this game. Jordan Love was. Packers beat the Lions 31 to 24 on Thanksgiving. You know, like from a stats point of view, 18 of 30 for 234 yards. Not that great. But he had four touchdowns, including two to Don Tavian Wicks, one to Christian Watson. One to Romeo Dubs and the ballsy game ceiling fourth down throw to Don Tavian Wicks was also very, very impressive. He's basically pressure came immediately. He basically had to do that thing where you just back up as fast as you can to give your guys enough time to get into their route and get open. And then he just kind of lobbed it up for Don Tavian Wicks. Wix made a great play, came down with it, but I mean, I thought it was just a really clutch performance by Jordan Love. He came up big in some big moments there. And now the packers are in really good shape. 8 and 3 and 1. They've beaten the Lions twice. The Lions are, like, in trouble. And. But I will say the packers going forward have a really tough schedule. Listen to the schedule for the Packers. A lot is going to happen in the next few weeks. They host the Bears. They're at the Broncos. They go to the Bears after that. So they get Bears two out of three the next three weeks, then the Ravens, then the Vikings to finish out the year. So the packers have quite a gauntlet here that they. That they have to go through, but obviously they're looking good right now.
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B
Love was fantastic. He was so good, and we just brought him up on the Wednesday power hour of the guys we're not thankful for. And he. He answered the bell quite nicely. But I honestly feel better about the packers watching that game. Like, I know that Detroit's defense is not, you know, necessarily fantastic, but Love was super accurate. He made a lot of, like, incredibly difficult throws. He just looked like the guy that we saw almost go to the Super Bowl a few years ago. And knowing that that's still there and, you know, the packers are pretty well rounded. I don't know. I still. I'm not super confident in them, like, in the nfc, but I do feel a lot better about, like, Jordan Love ceiling right now.
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C
Yeah, I agree.
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B
It's just how often he can hit it.
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A
Anthony to Bundo at the. Here at the ringer with us, said to me a week ago, he's like, I think the packers or two weeks ago, he said, I think the packers are the best team in the nfc. And I was like, you are on crack. And this was. I still couldn't get that Panthers game out of my mind where they lost to the Panthers and Jordan left through that pass in the end zone. But I. Watching this game, I was like, no one tells a Bundo this, but I was like, you know what? The packers might be the best team in the nfc.
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B
I, I, I don't know if I'd go there. I still would take the Rams part.
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A
When Micah Parsons is. I, I, he had, he had some unbelievable, unbelievable place.
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C
He's truly one of those game record types.
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A
I, I still can't. It's so funny. The Cowboys got rid of him and got better. Football's weird. I will say packers lost devonte Wyatt, though, on defense and the defensive tackle. I think he's after the season, so that's bad. But Jordan Love, Jordan Love's playing. We will have to have a Jordan Love conversation at some point about how good he actually is because I think he's creeping really, really, really high up.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And he's like making all these receivers kind of fantasy relevant too. Like Christian Watson. Dontavian Wicks is now Romeo Dobbs.
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A
Watson. Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And they kind of market corrected the Lions kind of stole the lines thunder. The Lions went 0 for 2 and fourth down, the packers went 3 for 3. And Jordan Love pulled up Bryce Young. Two touchdown passes in fourth down. Rarefied error.
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C
It's right up there with Bryce Young.
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A
It's so over. We're so back.
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B
It's so over for the AFC North. It's over the whole division. The whole division. It's over. The Bengals are probably the best team, I would say, and that's weird.
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C
And do they have any chance of being in the playoffs?
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A
No, they're like three and eight.
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B
It's funny. I think the two best.
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C
They're not mathematically eliminated though, right?
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B
It's like they have a 1% chance. I, I, the two best units in the AFC north are the Bengals offense and the Browns defense, which is hilarious. Yeah. So I, I'll, I'm the, the Steelers and the Ravens lost this week. The Ravens lost on Thanksgiving in pathetic fashion. They lost 32 to 14 to the Bengos.
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A
The Ravens were so lucky. That game was at night and everyone was unconscious 100%.
- [54:19]
C
Everyone was taking a nap.
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B
Everybody was knocked out. Lamar was terrible. He, he better be so hurt. I need to hear he doesn't report to me. I, he, he better have three torn ligaments because, because it's, I'm, I'm done. Like, I, so I'm not drafting him next year. And I know that's stupid, but, like, I'm out. I think he should be in the burn book he had. I mean, he's just torpedoed anybody in fantasy who had him. Like, it's over. This is like the home stretch to make your playoffs. And the last three weeks, he's had four, seven and six I put together. We're going to play the Kyle Pitts game with with Lamar Jackson. We're going to do two players who have outscored Lamar Jackson over the last three weeks and one who hasn't ready. Two players averaging more points than Lamar over the last three weeks in a lie. David Sills, Matt Collins and Gunner Helm. Two of those are scoring more than Lamar.
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C
I think David SS had another touchdown today.
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A
Goddamn right he did.
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C
He great call by the way. He brought him up a couple of weeks ago as a guy to like monitor.
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A
I said he'd be better than Lamar Jackson over the next.
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C
Yeah, he did say that.
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B
I can go back that tape back.
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C
I'm gonna say Gunner Helm and David S. I can't.
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B
Okay.
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A
I'm. Gunner Helm is the lie.
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B
Gunner Helm is the lie. He's just below so close.08 below Lamar Jackson. But that. It's a disaster.
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C
The Ravens Gunner Helm has scored almost the exact same amount of points.
- [55:46]
B
Lamar has zero touchdowns over the last three weeks. Shador Sanders is averaging more points than Lamar Jackson in the last three weeks. God, he's not running. He's not accurate right now. The entire turning the ball over discombobulated.
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A
Yeah, I don't know why, but Shadora bothers me more than Gutter Helm. That bothers me way more. I don't know why. David, which it shouldn't. It should. Gunner Helm's way more concerning. People are also probably listening and being like Craig's a little dramatic. Like how bad could this game have been?
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B
No, I'm not. I'm not being dramatic.
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A
Shield Capadia Another coworker here at the Ringer posted this based on expected points added per drive. The Ravens Thanksgiving performance was the worst offensive EPA per drive performance the Ravens have had in any regular season game with Lamar Jackson as their starter. 103 out of 103 for Lamar in the regular season he has three straight.
- [56:38]
B
Games without a touchdown. When it was two, he had never done that before. Now it's three in a row without a touchdown. If you look at the last three weeks I'll just. I'm going to piggyback off shield the last three weeks the Ravens 30th and passer rating 31st in passing EPA behind only Minnesota 30th in sac rate and their 29th on third down conversion.
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It is one of those where he came back and he was hurt and he played well against the Dolphins and then he kept getting sacked and they got an ankle injury. Then he Played Miles Garrett, who kicked the. Out of him, and they got an ankle injury. And then it's like he's adding all this stuff. But the flip side is when you watch him, it's like these are also things like the sacks and stuff where issues like before he got hurt the line when he was putting up fantasy points. But the lion sacked him like seven times. And I. I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's multiple things. One, I don't think the Ravens guards are very good. I think the Ravens have tried. I guess the word is experiments at guard. Like, the Ravens have tried to do some galaxy brain stuff. The right guard, they have. Daniel Falali is like the biggest player, the biggest guard in NFL history. He's like 6, 7 or 6, 8. Andrew Voorhees, their left guard, is. What was his deal again? Dk. Like he tore his Achilles. Was it at the combine? Like, they tried to arbitrage his recovery into being a starter. So I. I forget how long he's even been in the NFL. But, like, he was like a red shirt. But he. They're like, they're. That's experimental shit. Like, these are guys that don't have a ton of football experience that are starting. And frankly, it hasn't worked. So that's part of the problem. But there's also. I kind of think Lamar crashes out sometimes. I feel like he presses. And the Thursday Thanksgiving game, I think he started well and then a bunch of stuff went wrong. But that at this point, it's in the Ravens water. Like there's something wrong with the team. I'm sorry, this. Well, yeah, Isaiah likely did it. He fumbled out of the end zone.
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C
At the start, saying some of the stuff that his teammates were up in this game because it wasn't just him. I mean, he definitely had. So he had three really ugly turnovers. Yes. But Isaiah likely fumbled the ball at the goal line. This is like just classic Ravens. This is like Zay Flowers last year.
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A
Which is how they didn't go to the Super Bowl. Was reaching for the goal line.
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C
He was like reaching for the goal. Well, it was like a good play by the defender, but he fumbled into the end zone. Whatever. Zay Flowers, he also had a fumble late in the game after they kind of like had a chance to like, make it interesting.
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A
And he had a 40 yard touchdown called back for a phantom offensive pass interference call. That was insane. And so. And then also just like a bunch.
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C
Of stupid shit that they did.
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A
Yeah. Tez walker dropped a 40 yard pass. He like, you could argue that Lamar had a hundred yards and three touchdowns called back in this like just messed up by other people in this game.
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C
Yeah.
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A
But after that I kind of think he just kind of lost it after that.
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C
But I mean his turn like the, the, the turnover that he had like at a four yard line where he tried to escape the pocket, it just like goes and like wobbled the ball and like gave it to the, gave it to the Bengals. I'm like that was ridiculous. Then he tried to throw a ball and then hold up and it just like slipped out of his fingers. I mean just these are just like rookie year stuff that we.
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B
The Bengals.
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A
It looked like rookie year.
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B
The Bengals are a historically bad defense.
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C
I know that's the brutal part. And they can't stop tight ends and that's like the whole thing. And they have two of the better tight ends in the league and they couldn't do anything still.
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A
Well, they did. They got to the one. He just fumbled it out of the back.
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C
Sure, sure, sure.
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B
So. So it's so over for them and also for my sweet Pittsburgh Steelers. It is deeply over for them as well.
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C
Yeah, I mean a lot of been over for them.
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B
It has been over. But things are coming to a head and it might be over for, for Mike Tomlin for I don't know what for an entire regime in Pittsburgh because things are rough today. They lost 26 to 7 to the Bills in Pittsburgh. Crowd was booing fire Tomlin. You know the quotes after the game are horrible.
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C
I saw someone's Mark Cavalli said that Renegade got booed.
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B
Renegade got booed which he never seen his life.
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A
That is an all time low. For those who don't know, Renegade is a song they play at the end around somewhere around the end of third quarter where they want a big defensive stop. Steelers fans are obsessed with it. I actually would argue Craig, I think Renegade being booed is the most concerning thing I've ever heard of in the timeline era.
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C
We're turning booed the song.
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B
We're turning the fans in Pittsburgh into the fans in Philadelphia. Like, like, you know what I mean? It's just the opposite side of Pennsylvania. And now they're like actually fuck this team, fuck our coaches, fuck all of.
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A
This because they middle fingers to the crowd like oh, happy for you son.
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B
Everything the Steelers should do and who they are as a team, they're not doing anymore. It's like the Bills ran for two a record 249 yards in Pittsburgh which is the most since 1975. 249 rushing yards. Sorry, I should say in Pittsburgh, the most since 1975. They sacked Josh Allen 0 times. They get no pressure on him. The Bills did not have either of their starting tackles. And yet we can't do anything. The Steelers offense is even more putrid. Rogers looks like a homeless man out there. Like an old homeless man sometimes. Jesus Christ. He's like bleeding. He's like bandages on his face. Grapes.
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A
Looks like an actual bum.
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B
He looks like a bum from an Adam Sandler movie. And it's just terrible. It's so bad. They can't. They had three yards in the third quarter, man.
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C
It's just slightly to the left. No, that's just because you only have one shoe on.
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B
The hilarious part about this is like, they could totally make the playoffs.
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C
Yeah, Craig, when you wrote that down, I was laughing. I saw that in the doc. I was like, it's so fucking true.
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B
He looks like.
- [62:02]
C
It looks like an unkempt beard and like, he just like, he looks bewildered at all times.
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B
Yeah, he'd be eating Ritz crackers off the field. That's the guy in Javi Gilmore. Yeah, man. It's. It's bad. And yet they can make the playoffs. And they honestly might like. They're 6 and 6. The Ravens are 6 and 6. Their schedule is fine. And I'm like, this is going to the Ravens and the Steelers have yet to play each other. They're going to play each other twice very soon. And week 18 is Steelers, Ravens. It's going to. Both those teams are going to be like 8, 8 in week 18. And the winner is going to go in the playoffs. I guarantee it. And.
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A
And.
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B
And you know what? What this was probably going to happen is the Steelers are going to be like 8 and 9, somehow make the playoffs and then win a playoff game. That's the most Steelers that can happen. Yeah.
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C
Rogers are going to come back. I saw a stat that in this.
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B
They're going to. They're going to beat Denver in the. In the playoffs.
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C
You watch, of course, The Steelers are 6 and 11 in their last 17 games. So, like their last full season, they're 6 and 11.
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B
Yeah, because they lost five straight to end last year.
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A
Did we even mention.
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C
Feel like that they feel like a 6 and 11 team right now.
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A
Now, did we even mention that the Bills are the most rushing yards in Pittsburgh since 1975?
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B
Yeah, I said that.
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C
Yeah, Craig said it.
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A
Oh, fuck. Sorry.
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C
Craig.
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A
Hi, Fitz.
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C
I gotta call you out. When. When you do this show. When I do it, you make fun of me.
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A
No, I said it, like, twice.
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B
I think the Steelers should fire Mike Zomlin.
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A
Like, okay, do you do.
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B
Actually, I do. 100%.
- [63:23]
C
What?
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B
What? Okay, like, if he's gone and we bring somebody else in and we suck, what am I going to say? Man, I Wish we were 8 and 9. Like, we would be with Tomlin. Man, I Wish we were 9 and 8 and getting the doors blown off us every playoffs. Like, Tomlin, do you agree it's been 10 years since they won a playoff game? Basically.
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C
I would say. Here's what I would say. Sometimes something new is good. Like, there was. I can't remember who said it, but it was. It was something that I was talking about with regards to Pete Carroll. It's like you just. At some point, you need new ideas to come in. Even though I still think Pete Carroll's a good coach this year notwithstanding. You know, it's like the Billicheck thing, too. Like, just after a while, it's. You've been there for too long. You need to move on. You need new ideas, you need a new voice, you need new messaging and things like that, a new strategy, because things just get stale and. You know what I mean? And the. The. The league is constantly changing and adapting, and it feels like the Steelers are the. The model right now for the team that is not adapting to what the league is doing.
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B
The coordinators that they bring in do not work like justice for Matt Canada a little bit, because, like, it's. It's just like none of it is working. The defensive stuff that Tomlin should be good at is old and unimaginative, and they're not evolving. And I'm like, look, two things. Both things can be true. Tomlin can still. Is still a great coach, and if he goes to Tennessee, he'll be one of the. He'll. He'll be the probably most desired coach if he gets fired, and he'll go to a shitty team like Tennessee, and he'll probably make them really rock solid. And yet I still think the Steelers should get rid of him.
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A
I have literally never taken Steelers fans saying fire Tomlin seriously until today.
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C
Right?
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A
Because I, again, like, the most easy thing to take for granted is just being competitive every year and how brutal the NFL is. And I've just always felt the simple thing of cool, if you fire Mike, Tom is literally going to get paid more to go somewhere else. Like, he will get a raise. However, today I kind of thought I was watching the Steelers play and how uncompetitive they were against the Bills, even with turnovers. Like, they weren't competitive. They weren't competitive against the Chargers. And I kind of realized if they fire Tomlin and they replaced him with someone else and this guy, the new guy, put this product on the field or any product the Steelers have put forth in the last six years.
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B
He began at week six.
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A
He fired so quick.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And like, and I realize this, like, Mike Tomlin always says the standards is the standard. The Steelers have not met the standard in like six years. But the, but the last few have been particularly pathetic. And it is, I, I, the game has passed him by. And it's weird because he's like 53.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But he was the youngest. He was the McVeigh when he got fired. He was hired. He was in his 30s. You mentioned Pete Carroll. DK, let me tell you something. I know Pete Carroll is the oldest coach in the NFL history. Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll have coached the same amount of seasons in the NFL. Really 19 now, Pete Carroll was in college, but like, who cares? Like NFL seasons coached Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll have had the same tenure. And that goes back to the early 90s for Carroll. And like when you watch the Steelers, it is like the Pete Carroll thing, what they're do. Like they are unable to keep up with modern offenses.
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B
I kind of don't understand why they can't pass the football. Like, I don't really get it. There are moments when there's like a two minute drill and they have to get down the field quickly and they kind of can. Like sometimes Rogers, just like they have one good receiver, can like easily, but sometimes he can just like easily hit Darnell Washington for 25 yards over the middle of the field. And I don't understand why they're. And then every other part of the game, they just like check it down to Kenneth Gainwell every time. I don't understand. There was a really funny tweet from Seth Rohrabaugh shouts out Seth after the game. He said, Mike Tomlin is going to say something like, we can't eat soup with forks. We need spoons at the press conference. And then the Steelers are going to sign a 2018 Pro Bowler to their practice squad. And that's exactly right. Like, that's, that's the whole point though is like the Tomlin isms, like, worked for a while and now they're, now the tuxedos are starting to look fucked up.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It reminds me so much of the, the, the ending of the Pete Carroll era, where it was just like we were saying the same thing as Seahawk fans. It was just like the league is passing you by. You can't beat the people in your division, blah, blah, blah. Like all this stuff. It's. It, it. It's like I said, I think he's a good coach. I still think Pete Carroll's a good coach. I know it's been dog for the Raiders this year, but generally, like, sometimes you just need to move on and do something different.
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A
Smarter. They would trade Mike Toblin for a pick to a team. Yeah. And if Steelers fetch right now.
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B
Second. First.
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A
At least the second.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I think the problem is so like the. It depends where he probably would want to pick, where he goes. He could probably rather get fired. But I think you could just trade him. I don't know. As much as left in his contract. I think coaches get traded more anyway. Yeah. I've.
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B
It's just funny.
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A
20 years, a long time.
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B
It's so over. But they'll also probably make the playoffs.
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A
They're going to make the playoffs. They're going to win again.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. It's going to be like the Seahawks peacequake type thing. You watch.
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A
Tiki. Who else is this so over for?
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C
It's so over. The Colts wagon. The wagon crashed on the Oregon Trail. You died fording the river. You contracted dysentery. I'm sorry.
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B
Fording the river. I didn't even know that was a verb.
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C
Dystheria.
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B
What does fording mean?
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A
It's Oregon.
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C
Truck trying to cross the river, you forward it. Yeah.
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A
When you got in the water, when you're walking with the horses and you're kind of crossing.
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B
I didn't know that was a verb on the game.
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C
Oregon Trail. It was really hard to go across rivers. You have to like, float your wait wagon.
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A
Is this where ford comes from? Was ford a name? Ford was the people fording the river.
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C
The real turn. Is that the real turn?
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B
It says ford means to. Of a person or vehicle cross a river or stream at a shallow place.
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C
Hell, yes. I thought for a minute I was going crazy.
- [69:35]
B
That's just one of those words that literally no one in 2025 says.
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C
Fording.
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B
Fording the river.
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C
I almost wrote fjording the river, but I was like, that's not right. Anyway.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So I'm a little worried the Colts peaked way too early.
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B
Well, you know what the problem might be is that Daniel Jones broke his fibula.
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A
What was going on with this one? I had to watch an NFL Network Reporter whose name I will not say, who I am sure was told this and medically is probably technically correct, but medically it's one thing, but how it comes out on television is he has the broken leg, but the doctors say it can't get worse, so he will play. And I'm like, well, it could definitely get worse.
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C
It could get worse.
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A
I think what they meant is like.
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It can't get running on it isn't going to make it worse. Yeah. However, I saw somebody say it's like he can't move laterally now. I'm like, that's kind of important.
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There was a sense of him warming up or was at practice or something this week and he was moving very gingerly and I was like, you know what's funny? What's going on here?
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A
It's got funny. All quarterbacks, when they get hurt, move like Patrick Mahomes does all the time.
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B
Yeah. The key is to always be hurt. Like Ben Roethlisberger. That's like the Hulk is you're always limping.
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C
How.
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A
How are you always so calm? He's like, I'm always angry.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, I'm always hurt.
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C
So anyway, I don't know how to.
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Feel about this cold performance, dk, because on one hand the Texans defense is top tier. It's right there with the Seahawks and the Broncos when Riley Moss isn't on his 80s snap and all these guys. But the flip side is I, I, I, I guess Daniel Jones, just when I want to write him off. The Colts kind of almost did win this game. It was. In the end, it was weirdly similar to the Bills Texas game for Thursday football where, wow, look at the Texans defense dominate. Colts might win anyway on the final drive. Like Dan Jones was getting passes to Alec Pierce and everything. All those passes were high, though. And Dan Jones just kind of does that, like there's a hospital element. But I would say yes.
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C
No, I agree with you. I think I was kind of making like the Oregon Trail joke. But it's not like the Colts played horribly in this one. But, you know, I thought they were. They flashed out moments. I will say it just doesn't feel the same like it did earlier in the year, like where they're just unstoppable. Obviously, this was a good defense they played, but they've now lost three out of their last four games. They lost to the Chiefs, they beat the Falcons. They lost the Steelers before that. Now they're 8 and 4 on the year. Now the Jags have actually overtaken them in the Division. Their jags are also 8 and 4 and Houston is nipping at their heels. So this is turning into a real battle in the AFC south, which is kind of what we've been expecting. But like you said, Daniel Jones has a broken leg. Sauce Gardner, who they traded two first round picks for, has probably pretty significant injury.
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A
It's not, it sounds like a non contact calf.
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B
Calf. Yeah, right.
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C
He said he sounded, he said it felt like he got shot in the calf and so he was at first a little worried that it was the Achilles tendon, but it sounds like it's not the Achilles tendon based on what we know right now. It's fine.
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A
Can't get doctor.
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The point is he's probably not going to be there for a while. That is, you know, I thought the Texans played really well in the high leverage situations in this game, which is what you kind of worry about with a retread like Daniel Jones on third down. They were 3 for 10. That not, not taking away from what Daniel Jones has done this year. But this is like the same issues I worry about with the Seahawks with Sam Darwin. I'm like, okay, when it's third and 10, what do they look like? Because that's going to come in the playoffs. The Colts upcoming prayer ball to Alec.
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Pierce or Michael Pittman.
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C
It looks like the Colts upcoming schedule is, is very tough. They play at the Jags next week, which obviously has a lot of divisional ramifications. They play at the Seahawks the week after that against the 49ers, who for despite losing their two best defensive players are still freaking battling out there. They played the Jags again the week after that. They play at the Texans again in week 17 or week 18 or whatever, the last game of the year. So that is, I mean that is a freaking gauntlet for the Colts too. So I, I, you know, there's a chance where they lose three of these games. Obviously, who knows what's going to happen down the stretch. But yeah, things are not looking great for them right now.
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I want to look into it more and I, I wonder if teams are, are doing something to limit Jonathan Taylor in a way more than the beginning of the season. Because there's these three losses in the last month. All three of them are the three worst rushing performances of the year for Jonathan Taylor. And to me, like that's the biggest difference is if the running game's not working, the rest of it is doesn't follow.
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Well, I think that's what's happening though is because they were winning it's like you run the ball when you're winning and so they were scoring in every drive, so then they're running all the time and then suddenly they're behind and now it's like, oh shit.
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C
Well, he, there's a little bit of the element of last year where Saquon's ripping off these 60 yard touchdowns and when that doesn't happen, like it's, it looks different, you know.
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A
Yeah, it's like 60 yards and then you have a 60 yard, you're like, oh, he ran for 1:20. Cool. It's like actually more like he had 60 yards at the end of a 60 yard game. I, we have to, I just want to linger for one second on the Sauce Gardner thing. The Colts gave up two first round picks to sign to get Sauce Gardner from the jets at cornerback, which we all thought was a pretty, pretty hefty price for healthy Sauce Gardener because you're kind of paying for his form. For three years ago, Sauce Gardner. The, the Colts lost the two games that Sauce Gardner actually played in full and then he's hurt with a non contact calf injury. And the Colts gave up two first round picks for this guy that we don't know if he's going to play and if it's a calf injury, maybe he shouldn't play because then his Achilles is at risk.
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C
Yep.
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That is quietly maybe one of the worst trades. Like between that the Falcons giving up a first round pick to the Rams for what might be a top 10 pick and then the Jaguars giving up a first next year for Travis Hunter to go two ways and then Travis Hunter ends up being on injured reserve for the season.
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B
Throw in Micah Parsons. This is one of the all time bad trade years.
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A
And the Jaguars overtook the Colts for the division even though they traded up for Travis Hunter and he didn't help them win any of these games. And the Jags have the same record. Yeah. No, the, the trades, we might have to do a power hour this year. We should do that. We should look back at the trades this season. They've been crazy trades.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Dk, are you worried about Jonathan Taylor at all? Like as a mini farter? Shark category, little toot.
- [76:06]
C
Toot.
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A
Toot.
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C
Not yet. Not yet. I mean, I don't think he looks any worse. I just, I think you're right though. Like if teams bottle him up and he can't get loose, that makes them, that makes the Colts pretty one dimensional. But I don't know, I don't think there's anything specific to worry about in Terms of. He doesn't look slower or anything like that, right?
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A
No, no, I. I think I'll be fine. The Texans have an amazing defense. I think it'll be fine.
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C
He's also quietly been pretty dynamic in terms of. They're using him in the passing game as well. I think I looked it up. He's at. He scored like the sixth or seventh most points from receiving this year too. So it's not like he's a one dimensional back. Who. If. If he can't get going on the ground, he's like worthless in fantasy. I'm talking just like strictly from fantasy. He's still producing in the air too.
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A
All right, we have to go to America's favorite segment here. Fart or shart?
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B
And now it's time for America's favorite.
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A
Fart or Shart? Damn, son, that's disgusting.
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B
I. I want. I want to be like Oregon where every week we wear a different jersey combination that's never been seen. I want a new one of these every single week, forever.
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C
I feel like we have had. Have we had.
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B
Keep sending them. We will use them. I. A different one every week would be amazing.
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A
Okay, we can do that. We can make that happen.
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C
That one had kind of a good little baseline.
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B
That's kind of. That's kind of a vibe. All right. I'm actually not going to ask this question to DK for once. Dk, you can take the week off. Danny Hetz. The Kansas City Chiefs lost to the Dallas Cowboys are now 6 and 6. They have an extremely tough schedule coming up. Things have looked pretty bad. Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs offense. Farter, Shark.
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A
I think this is a shirt. I think this is a huge shirt. I think this is like a long term. I think this is like a medical problem.
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C
Like I said, I need to like, change their diet.
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A
No, I'm saying, like, I think the Andy Reid Chiefs have become the late Andy Reid Eagles. I don't think this is getting fixed like this season or next or like, I. I don't think this version of the Chiefs will return to what we saw. And they're actually like. They're not like the Patriots who will go on for 15 more years. They're like every other great team, which is six years is a long time and they're not getting back to the mountaintop in this. Andy. With Andy Reid.
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B
Make the case for why you might be wrong.
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A
Why I'm wrong is Mahomes is great and. But the ca. The case I'm wrong is that andy Reid at 66 will continue to innovate and Steve Spagdolo at 65 will innovate and eventually Matt's Matt Nagy will take over for Andy Reid and they'll keep on rolling forever. And you know they have invested in offense and Rashid Rice is really good and he could get better because of coming off the knee con the knee injury and this is in theory the worst he should be and that Kelsey's gonna retire. But you know they have Xavier Worthy could be good and Marquis Brown could be good. All those guys were first round picks. They have Josh Simmons who is a first round pick who also is coming off a knee injury. All these guys should be better in theory. They have a lot of young talent on defense. Like the Chiefs could be good. I just think this is exactly what happened with the Eagles shout out to Cody Alexander at match quarters who was screaming to the void about this all August. This is what happened to the Eagles at late with Andy Reid. But it's also the the Chiefs were very well suited to win with the game within the game. With the NFL of like three or four years ago we're I can't tell you how on the money Cody Alexander was at a great substack match quarters. Steve Spagnolo was doing really cool shit on defense two or three or four years ago. That's now it. They were too good victim of their own success. Everyone's doing that stuff now. So the Chiefs advantage on defense is kind of going away because the novel stuff they were doing schematically is now so common. It's not new anymore. But on offense look around the league who's scoring it is teams who could the Rams even look at the Bears. Teams that can play under center and run the ball under center and then build play action off of it and get chunk plays. The Chiefs have no under center running game and the Chiefs have no play action and so they have no offense.
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C
It is an interesting point and just general NFL thing that and you see this all the time like where a team will be really innovative about something and they'll have an immense amount of success because of it for a few years. But then the league catches up. They figure out more ways to stop that. A lot of teams start doing that stuff that you're doing. They start drafting the players that are going to be really good at that. So it like diminishes your advantage that way and it's just like really really hard to continue to innovate and be the only innovator. You know what I Mean, like, you can't sometimes it's all cyclical. Someone else is going to innovate something else next. You know what I mean?
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B
Look at, look at the A's in Moneyball. Like, that was fun for a little while and then every other team was like, we can just do this with all of our money.
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A
Billy Bean had a, Billy Bean had a good thing going. He couldn't keep his mouth shut. Told to do a book. They know, you know what you know, it's funny. The guy who invented Moneyball, they won one division title one time.
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B
Totally. They never really, that's like the funny thing about the A's is like, they never really had that much success. They overachieved, but it wasn't like that great.
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A
Would have done great if you just shut the fuck up.
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C
But yeah, but now we all know his name.
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A
But I think I.
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C
True.
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B
And that's the most important thing.
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C
Legacy.
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A
The Andy Reid thing, though, I think it's the same as the Mike Tomlin thing where I, I, I know that's a little aggressive because the Chiefs just went to three straight Super Bowls and I know that this is maybe insane. You're like, oh, it's been like a bad couple months. The Chiefs have also been like this for like three years and they kind of got, you know, they had hit every single draft pick for three straight defensive drafts to get there. I'm just saying, I, maybe this is an intrusive thought, but I kind of just think the Chiefs are going to come back to an always above average team. But I don't think these issues you see with Kansas City every week are going to get fixed because Andy Reid's been in the NFL for 27 years. And I just, I just, I don't know, it's, he's the second best coach of the 21st century. He's in our first ballot hall of Famer. But I don't know, I kind of think this is going to put her out over the next three or four years and then Matt Nagy is going to take over the team and that'll be weird too.
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C
So right now they're 6 and 6. The NFL's playoff, like picture bot thing says they have a 37% chance of making the playoffs right now.
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A
They have to win. They have to win out. The Chiefs have to win out. I mean, they play the Texans next week. They're ahead of them in the wild card standing, so they have to be the Texans Chargers the week after that. Yeah, it, the next two weeks. They, if The Chiefs have to go two and oh, the next two weeks or they're fucked.
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B
I still, for some reason, maybe I'm being stubborn, but I still believe. I think it'll be fine.
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A
I'm not saying the Chiefs are going to suck. I'm saying that this 10 win seasons are good enough for this team. 11 wins. It's like this team, the whole Mahomes has never made, not made the conference championship. I just think that, that, you know, that might not happen forever. Perhaps they will stop making conference championship games. And then when the Chiefs make the wild card round and win handily and then lose in the divisional round, that will be very disappointing. Yeah, but for most teams, that's a good year. That's all. Which is exactly what happened to the Eagles.
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C
Anyway, here's where the Chiefs really start trying though. Yeah, this is where they're really going to start trying and turning it on.
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A
Any other instructions?
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B
Yeah, I have one. I've been a defender of him for many years now, but I'm starting to turn on Scott Hanson.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And it's not because I don't think it's for the same reasons that everybody else gives. Like, I, I feel like dk, you don't like that. He, he like thinks highly of himself. He tries to like take over and like speak over the commentators of the actual game. And he's kind of like trying to be the star of the day, not letting the games be the star. My issue is that I actually think he tries to be. He kind of tries to like be kind of casual and funny and he forces so much of it and it's like watching bad improv a little bit. He will almost begin sentences and he does not know where they're going to end. And I think he's so scattered because there's so many goddamn games going on that like his brain is just like not capable of doing that in that moment. And yet he forces it. He's always like. He's always like. And we go to the Cardinals, who are flying high in Tampa Bay after the rush by Jacoby. Excuse me, the pass by Jacoby Briss. And you're like, what are you talking. He's always like, let's see if Jacksonville can give their fans something to drive home Hap with a smile on their face about. And you're like, I don't. You don't have to do that.
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A
He said something dumb today that was like, I hope you had a Thanksgiving.
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C
Oh yeah, I know. People in glass houses, right? But. But yeah, still, he's Every time he's.
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B
Just like, let's head on over to Houston where Daniel Jones is trying to give the Texans fans a bad day.
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A
The part Craig has nailed is the slight pause sometimes between names that's very unnatural as he's trying to double check the jersey. You know, you know what they have to be.
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B
You have to colloquialize everything and have it be like a clippy thing. Just be like, let's head to Arizona where Jacoby Brissette's driving. Just do that.
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C
My take, my take on the whole situation is that we've somehow turned Scott Hansen into a fucking hero for what he does.
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A
It's like he figured out red zone. It's like he invented it. You just work.
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C
If we didn't have Scott Hansen, we wouldn't have football. He single handedly is bringing us these games. He, he sits there all day. He's. And watches the games.
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B
He's, he's always like, he's not a hero.
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A
I don't like he gets treated like a firefighter.
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C
If people weren't like eight straight mythologizing everything that he does, like I would not have a take on it. But I'm like, he is one man, he is mortal. You know, well, you know what they're.
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A
You know what they trying to figure.
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C
Out what the fuck's going on in the games. Just like everyone else.
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B
He's like, he's like, and let's go across the pond to Tampa Bay. And he was like, well it's not one time. He was like, well it's actually the Gulf of Mexico. But you, you get what I mean is going on.
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A
It's, it's, it's, you know what else he, they screwed up because they tried to do some behind the scenes stuff. And you know what? Some things are better left.
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C
Yeah, he's not pissing for the entire day.
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B
The wizard of Oz pulled back the.
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A
Curtain and they, and they showed that when he's doing that I just kind of thought he was at his desk the whole time and he's just breathing over guys shoulders, standing up, looking over the shoulder of the one person who's at the monitor for each game. And they have the 15 people looking at the 50 games and he's just standing over looking. So now in my head they should never should have showed that to us. Well now when he says Craig, that's such a good impression. Do it again for like the Raiders and Gino Smith on the Chargers.
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B
And we head to Los Angeles where Geno Smith is trying to Stage you come back in the city of dreams, the City of Angels.
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A
I. And now I am picturing him just hunched over someone else's computer monitor saying this. And I have the ick.
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B
I know. You know what they should do if they want to show the behind the scenes, they should build it out. Like, like he's Tony Stark and he's like, throwing things around. He's like, he's got the gloves on. Like he's pushing her. Yeah, yeah. I want, like, make it seem really, really cool.
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C
Super fucking hero.
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A
Or just never show him at all. It's also fine.
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C
I don't know. Just like, I'm just like, man, he's. He's a pretty good announcer at this, like, red zone thing, which is absolutely revolutionized how you watch sports. Like, we don't have to, we don't have to put him on Mount Rushmore. All right.
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A
He does the interviews like he invented it. Like it wasn't his idea.
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B
He does a little bit. And we head to Seattle where the cold weather is affecting the, the, The Buccaneers. Like, what?
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C
It would be hard to do segues all day.
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B
He doesn't need to. You don't, don't do them.
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A
Less is more. As we say, 90 minutes into a podcast. Intrusive. Any other intrusive thoughts?
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B
I know I should say, like, the. I love not doing live pods because it's just way harder in person. It feels different. Like, I actually love doing them in front of people. That's so fun. The live pods on YouTube. Bill does it every night on Sundays. It's impressive. It's hard to do. So I, I, I, you know, I feel for Scott Hansen.
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A
It's true. Craig actually did six different versions of those impressions. And then. Yeah, we just picked the one that was bad.
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B
Yeah. I mean, you know, Scott Hansen is holding his pee and cooking for eight straight hours every Sunday.
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C
But yeah, Ms. P, he didn't actually do that.
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A
I just, I don't know if people will take. Believe me or not.
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C
Does he eat? He doesn't eat all day either.
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B
I do think it's an.
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C
I think I'm coming around.
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A
Sure.
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C
Actually, I think maybe I do think.
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B
He'S a hero, you know, like, ha. IV drips. I think he just has that going constantly. So he's always peing.
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C
Damn.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Also the peeing thing, I gotta tell you, this is another.
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B
Sorry.
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A
I know we're going forever. I know. I think about this now because we heard about it so much. There's so many moments. He can piss during the games. Also like there's so many times he could piss.
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B
Gentleman's piss club. Like we could, we could work something out here where we can give him some of our proprietary technology and have a stool that is also urinal or something.
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A
That's a. Yeah, get him a catheter.
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B
Just let him. Yeah, I mean hook him up to something.
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A
Any other intrusive thoughts?
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C
I had the thought today that I think Kyle Pitts might actually be good.
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B
You did?
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A
Shut your mouth.
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C
He looked pretty good.
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A
Shut it.
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C
I'm not going to look. It's an intrusive thought. I didn't, I didn't make any trades or act on it or anything like that. You know, I wasn't like going out and trying to acquire him anywhere. But he had a pretty good day. He had a pretty good day.
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B
All right.
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A
How the Falcons finished dead last.
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B
I don't know.
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C
They didn't win.
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B
I have one more intrusive thought and it's. I think first place schedules are too hard now. I don't, I don't, I don't like it. I think the fucking Chiefs and like every, every week the Bills and these guys are just getting the kicked out of them. I want them to make it to the playoffs. I want all the good teams to be 12 and 5 or, or 13 and 4 and they have a couple hard games and then it off in the playoff. It's like every week the Chiefs are like, bills, Ravens, Bears. And I'm like, God damn, slow down. It's. It's fucking impossible. Give them a couple easy ones. That's what's why all these teams like the Patriots and Bears and shit are doing well because of the easiest schedules. Did you know good teams are. It's the super bowl every week for them.
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C
Have you ever seen the meme where it's like you've picked too many battles, Take one and put it back. Nope, that's still too many battles. Put another one back. It's like, I don't know, it's like some fucking Lord of the Rings thing. Skippy has one. It's funny, the.
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B
This is the chief schedule. Chargers, Eagles, Ravens, Lions, Bills, Broncos, Colts, Cowboys, Texans, Chargers, Broncos.
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C
I'm like, meanwhile the Patriots are playing like jets and Titans every week.
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B
Yeah, they somehow just play the Jets 10 times. I don't know, I'm just like, maybe he's up a little bit. Maybe we're too, too strong on that.
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C
Jets beat the Falcons today, by the way.
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B
Yeah, huge for High Fitz and the Giants.
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C
Are you guys number one now?
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B
Who's number one until Tennessee.
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A
The Patriots on Monday football.
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C
Oh, yeah, and by the way, the Giants haven't played yet.
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B
Tennessee's got the first pick, but the Giants currently have the second. It could be somebody great. Could change the whole trajectory of the first place.
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C
Schedules are too hard.
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B
Too hard.
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C
This is a good one from you.
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A
It's good.
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C
I just want it to be easier for all the great teams.
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B
It's so easy for these damn last place teams. Look at who the Bills have to play. It's like unbelievable.
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C
It's unbelievable.
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A
Ick of the week, TK who gave you the ick this week?
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C
I'm going to say this. It's kind of like an intrusive thought, kind of an ick. I'm kind of over the whole Sam Darnold thing. I want to believe, like, we've had our ups and downs. Obviously, the Seahawks are a good team.
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B
What did you win, 26 to 0 today?
- [92:36]
C
Yeah. It's because the defense had four picks and including one pick, six.
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B
All right.
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C
The offense didn't do jack shit.
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A
All right.
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C
I just had. I just had the thought today. I should have put this in intrusive thoughts because I don't really, really believe this. But, like, how different is Sam Darnold from Jameis Winston, really? Okay, Sam Darnold today, two more fumbles. Lost one of them again, these are just like, he's getting sacked. Like, you could blame the offensive line and that's fair. Like, the offensive line did not do a great job today for the Seahawks, and the Vikings are a really good blitzing team. But he's just, he. His awareness, it's. It's very concerning to me. He's. Now, he kept pace with Tua and Gino today. He still has the most turnovers in the NFL. Sam Darnold does. And he's either throwing the most incredible touchdown, like, touch pass down the field, drop it in a bucket, 50 yards down the field, or he's turning it over or fumbling or getting the ball batted at the line of scrimmage. He had like five or six batted passes today, too. I'm just like, he, he just kind of drives me insane. I'm. I've done that thing where, you know, like the bell curve beam where it's like, at the beginning of the year, I'm like, Sam Darnold, not very good. I'm not. I'm kind of worried about this middle of the season. I'm like, he's the fucking best. I've never seen a better quarterback. Now I'M back at the. I'm like, okay, he's. He's kind of a liability, isn't he?
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B
You're like, I kind of see why the Minnesota Vikings got rid of him for J.J. mcCarthy.
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A
He's won 14 games that just let him go.
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B
And they were like, I don't think he's the guy.
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A
Yeah, pass, dude. They had a graphic on the Seahawks game today of just quarterbacks who have the most wins across two seasons on two different teams. And it was Tom Brady, Patriots 2019, Patriots 2020, Peyton Manning from final cold season Broncos, and Sam Darnold. And I was like, one of these.
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C
Things is not like the other.
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A
Come on, come on.
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C
I mean, look, I, I still am overall bullish, and I think the Sam Darnold experiment has gone well for the Seahawks. But I was, like, really annoyed with him today, and I've been really annoyed with him over the last few weeks.
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A
My ick of the week was just the tush push kept failing today. And I was like, it just discussed it every single time.
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B
Yeah, I know. I'm kind of sick of teams doing it now. I'm like, do something else on 4th and 1.
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A
I regret demand. I know I regret demanding every single team does this. And I was like, figure it out. And it turned out the other tight ends do it now. But just, I mean. The Browns rookie tight end Harold Fan and fumbled the snap on 4th and 1. Not to be outdone, the Colts rookie tight end Tyler Warren also fumbled the snap on 4th and 1, tried to do the tush push, shocking. The Titans can't do it. The Texans tight end Cade Stover was stuffed on the touch push for Houston. The Saints tush push on their final drive of the game, they didn't get it and so they just lost the game. And then Jalen Hurts fumbled on the tush push on Black Friday. He was stripped by.
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C
Yeah, the guy just ran up and took the ball out of his.
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B
Which is.
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We have been screaming to do this for six weeks. Just takes the ball, he's right there. And it's just such a huge ick when the tush push doesn't work.
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B
Yeah, I, I just, I don't, I don't love it. It's the. Also, it's the only play where I do sympathize with the refs a little bit because it's impossible.
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C
Like, I can't see what's going on. I think the mass of bodies until.
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A
They ban it, this will be a huge problem in the playoffs. The problem is the Refs can't see anything but the cameras can't either. So there's going to be a play in the playoffs at some point with the Eagles where the call on the field will just stand and no one ever saw the answer. Yeah, the refs are going to just make a call. Hope it goes to replay. The replay is going to be it. No one can see. This episode is brought to you by Velveeta. Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first, who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks and cheesy jarred queso. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Don't miss the movie event of a lifetime. Visionary director James Cameron presents the greatest chapter of the biggest saga of all time. Avatar, Fire and Ash, now playing in theaters. A new threat will rise in the character of Varong, who leads the ruthless Ash people. And a stunning new discovery will threaten to change the world of Avatar forever. Avatar, Fire and Ash, now playing in theaters, IMAX and 3D screenshots everywhere. Get tickets now.
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C
Any other extreme DK the Juwan Jennings thing. We got to just at least mention this.
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A
Yes, we do. Yes, we do.
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C
So basically last week we were all talking about, or maybe it was two weeks ago, maybe we were talking about Juan Jennings because he got punched in the dick really hard and like they showed the video of like the fucking uppercut right to the dick. It was a good punch.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And then Jennings went and started shit with Trevor Merrick after the game and we're all start. We're all like kind of on Juan Jennings side on this. We're like, yeah, don't punch a guy in the dick when no one's looking. That's really shitty. Maybe Jennings is actually the asshole is what we're learning after this week. Shelby Harris for the, for the Browns after the game. So basically apparently he said that Juwan Jennings was talking shit to the Browns as Malik Collins was being carted off the the field with a major injury.
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And apparently some pretty nasty stuff.
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A
So I, I don't know what he said. I have, I have asked Kai to clip the audio because I didn't think we could do justice. Kai, can you play what Shelby Harris Said it's pretty sick. He's a hoe and I want that known. Like, I see why he got punched in the nuts. Cuz that's some like he says some things that you should not say to another man ever. But like I don't respect it cuz you say that then run behind your old line. That's some real soft and I want that. No, I see exactly why they punched the nuts. I'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet.
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C
I see exactly why he punched him in the nut.
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A
He's a hoe.
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B
I want that. No, I like yeah, I saying I want that known is great and I want that known.
- [98:34]
C
I just thought this was funny. There brought it.
- [98:38]
B
I love finding out when like somebody's just like. There's just like some interaction going on in the field that nobody really knows about until some player finally says it and you're like, oh yeah, everybody knows John Jennings.
- [98:48]
A
They asked Miles Garrett his thoughts and Miles Garrett paused. It was like, I can't comment on how he was raised.
- [98:55]
C
Wow. It brought to mind this quote that I remember. If you run into an in the morning, you ran into an. If you run into all day, you're the. Apparently that's from Raylan Givens from Justified.
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A
That's not a real person. It's from a television.
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C
Might have been stealing. Raylan might have stolen that from someone else. Kind of an asshole move.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Anyway, I'm no longer on Juan Jennings side for getting punched to the dick.
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Play of the day. I think it's between Puka Nuku's one handed catch. That was two handed because he used the defender's hand as a hand and that was.
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C
That was insane.
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A
I'm between that or the Eagles fan whose G son was giving the double birds to the Birds as they went. Eagles went in halftime with the double middle fingers and the kid was doing it and the father looked on like really proud. That was sick. And then the other guy who just like had the like, the real like thumbs down was like like thumbs that middle. He was like, boo. And like they kept cutting him. I don't know, dude.
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C
This was a. This was a week of one handed catches. So I listed off of all the ones I could remember. Obviously the Puka, I think one takes the cake. It was incredible.
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B
That's the best catch. He was like.
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C
He like backhanded it. It was weird. You don't see that type of catch that often. He like reached out and the guy, the defender sort of like cupped the ball together and like allowed him to make the catch. But Brock Bowers had a one handed touchdown catch that was absolutely insane. Even the announcer at the time was like, oh, he threw the ball away and there he's like, oh my God. Actually he caught it.
- [100:31]
B
Holy shit.
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C
Trailin Burks on Sunday Night Football had an incredible like, it looked just like the catch by Odell Beckham except for he had a defender in his face. So that was very impressive.
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A
It was.
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It was not though.
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Del Beckham. It was not that.
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B
It was really good.
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C
It was. Yeah, it was better. I just wanted to wrinkle high Fitz there. Tanner Hudson had a one handed touchdown catch and now I'm like blanking on what team he plays for. Oh yeah, he's on the Bengals. And then the George Pickens play where he had like he caught the ball, reverse pivoted, ran past the defender and then left over a guy. He, he just, he, he would have been number one I think if he didn't trip at the very end there. But that was a great play. And then we got a shout out. Tristan worse for catching a touchdown.
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B
Big man.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So a lot of good plays this week.
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B
And we go to Tampa Bay where Tristan Worfs is doing his. Rumbling his way into the end zone.
- [101:31]
A
Worst play of the day was Max Brosmer. That was probably the worst play of the year. It's not worth talking. It's not worth even debating. I just feel bad. He went, will Levis bless his heart?
- [101:42]
C
Are they going to do an art but make it sports with that? We should.
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A
I'm sure they already did.
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B
I watched that play like 50 times. It was. I can't stop watching it.
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A
I. It's. It's addictive. Honestly. I love it.
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C
Stop watching it.
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B
I don't. I have no idea what he was doing. He just underhanded it like 20ft to three Seattle defenders. I just can't believe it. Just can't believe my eyes sometimes watching this beautiful game.
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A
The Arthur Smith Sean Hockey award for coach of ref. That pissed you off. I mean, there's the, the call. I mean the entire Sunday football game at the end, which we went over at the top of the show. The Texans kicker Kaimi Fairburn make an extra point that maybe he didn't make that the refs were kind of like, yeah, it looks good to me.
- [102:21]
B
That was weird because the goal posts.
- [102:23]
A
Are not tall enough, but they also can't be bothered to put cameras in line with the goalposts. So instead they're the middle of the goalpost. So then we look at the angle and we're like, is that close? Don't know. And then we can't review it or check.
- [102:37]
B
Yeah, the announcer had, one of the announcers was like, I don't think that went in. And the other one was like, it must be an optical illusion.
- [102:43]
C
It must be. What else could be the explanation?
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A
$20 billion a year.
- [102:49]
B
Are they the like one zoomed out angle from behind? Definitely looks like it didn't go in.
- [102:54]
C
But can we have like a wire or something going up to the, to the roof? What if there's no roof going up to the heavens or something?
- [103:03]
B
Yeah. How about a beam of light and if it hits.
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A
How about a laser?
- [103:07]
C
Oh, a laser. I like where your head's.
- [103:09]
A
They're doing this like laser checking that they're. First of all, we have not even got it this, we don't have to do this today. But the horse and pony show with the goddamn virtual measurement is like how stupid do you think I am? It's, I, I, I'm insulted by the fucking. We had a 67 year old man spot it with his eyes from 30 yards away and now we're gonna have a Hawkeye camera system tell you if that random spot has made it. I'm like, keep that to yourself.
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C
Put lasers. No one thought that the measuring process was what was going wrong. It's, it's, it's the spotting.
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A
They're sewing, they're, they're turning the water up. Frogs in a pot, they're turning the water up for. To get us used to it. But I'm. Why don't you apply that to the goddamn field goals? That'd be cool anyway. I think the person who has to win this though. Coach. Who pissed you off? I know we're not the biggest college football people in the world, but Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss to go to lsu. I'm not a college football expert, but everyone I know and everything I've seen is this is unprecedented. Ole Miss is ranked like seventh in the country. Going to have a home playoff game in the College Football Playoff and if they win four games, we'll just win the national championship. Elaine Kiffin just left to go to LSU and was like, football is wild and, and freezing.
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B
And brought people with him.
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A
He brought a lot of the staff.
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C
That's because they wouldn't let him stay. College football is a fucking, it's like a reality show, man.
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A
Lane Kiffin statement. I was hoping to complete a historic six season run with this year's team by leading. I was hoping to I.
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C
And then something out of my control happened.
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A
Just prayed on it. But I just. By leading Ole Miss through the playoffs, capitalizing on the team's incredible success and their commitment to finish strong and investing everything into a playoff run with guardrails in place to protect the program in my. In any areas of concern. My request to do so was denied by Ole Miss athletic director Keith Carter. Despite the team, what he's saying is, can I recruit for LSU but still work here and coach these teams so that you can try to win? And then I'll take all the good players and all the good coaches with me on the way. And they were like, no, we don't want you to sit here and poach all these people because you're leaving us in the middle of the fucking season. And he was like, can you believe this?
- [105:32]
B
I mean, it is remarkable that this team. I mean, they're probably not going the national championship, let's be honest. But the fact that they're the number seven team in the country and they're making the College Football Playoff and they. The coach is just leaving is insane.
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A
You. I actually think Rick Patino, of all fucking people.
- [105:47]
B
Oh, I saw his tweet. Yeah.
- [105:48]
A
He was like, the schedule's wrong. How. Like, no basketball coach, no matter how craven, would leave when you're about to be a top a one or two seed in March Madness. He's right. The. The.
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C
The.
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A
The transfer port. Everything with Nil, it's like, it is better that players are being paid. I remember when A.J. green was suspended for. I mean, Terrell Prior, of all people, got the most. He traded tattoos. He got a $90 tattoo for free. And then, like, couldn't fucking be drafted in the NFL like, that. I'm glad that is over. This is. There's a line in the wire where it's like, the game hasn't changed. It just got more fierce. Like, I think that's what this is where it's the same underlying principles of. It's a business, all this stuff. But there need to be more rules about, like, transfer portal cannot open between now and the college football season where, like, I remember last year, like, Penn State's backup quarterback just had to go. And it's like, it's ridiculous.
- [106:37]
B
The timeline's a mess. Like, none of this should be happening. Now that it's like, you could. I understand why Lane. Like, I get it. Lane Kiffin going to get more money to go to L. Shoot. Like, I get that. The fact that. That it's. You have to make that Decision right now is bizarre. It makes no sense.
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A
I, I, I, I, and I don't want to pretend to be an expert on college football and all this stuff because I, I barely understand all this I, the transfer portal and how all the nil, like this is all unbelievable to me. However, big picture, what's happening is college football is, is going to become like the fifth pro sport in America and it's professionalizing. And at some point, the Big Ten, the sec, they're going to break away from the ncaa, they're going to have their own super league and they're going to be like everything else, 30ish teams in 30ish cities across America and they're going to be. The problem is there's no governing body. And so something like this happens. This is not like professional. And I know it's business, but this is not professional. And nothing about how college football is being run is organized or like, this is insane. And I don't know, it's like, look, I'll go to LSU a year from now, he'll have some cool players and we'll get over it.
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C
I appreciate a lot of parts about college football. Like some of the rivalries are incredible. Like the in game experiences, even that's changing.
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B
It's like Texas beats Texas AM and they're like, well, A and M's like, we're still making the playoffs.
- [107:54]
A
Does it? Ohio State, Michigan, it's like that the game doesn't fucking matter.
- [107:57]
B
It doesn't matter anymore.
- [107:58]
C
But here's what, here's what I was going to say while appreciating some of the greatness of college football. It somehow feels like politics to me. Like, I just, I don't want to, I don't want to think about it. I don't want to read about like all the bullshit behind the scenes stuff. I don't want to read about fucking boosters. I don't want to read about all that stuff. It feels like politics. It's, it's the same vein somehow where, like, I can't watch Veep because it's too realistic. Like, I don't know. I, there's something about college football where I'm just like, I just, I don't want to read about the corruption is.
- [108:31]
B
Like so out in the open, you know, you're just confronting it every single week.
- [108:36]
A
They just gave you a plane.
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C
Yeah.
- [108:38]
A
You just take that?
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B
Yeah.
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C
That's cool. I mean, I'm not saying the NFL is fucking perfect either, but obviously. But that, that is just. I always think about that I'm like, this just like, feels like politics. It's weird.
- [108:51]
A
I just want to remind you, Al Davis, in his press conference where he fired Lane Kiffin, called him a professional liar.
- [108:56]
B
Imagine if, if, like Ben Johnson right before the wild card around is like, oh, the Titans actually want me. I'm gonna go there.
- [109:04]
A
I'm blown away that the Lions interview, they have to interview during that stuff. But like, yeah, it really. Imagine if a coach went to a different team.
- [109:12]
C
Oh, it's like, it's like if Ben Johnson, before the wild card round, decided to go to the like packers or something with the Bears.
- [109:21]
A
What, the same division, you're saying?
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C
Yeah, yeah, I'm saying like they're both like contenders for, you know, whatever. Not that LSU is, but, but like in the big picture, LSU is a blue blood program or whatever. I don't know. It's, it's weird. It's a very weird situation.
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A
New game here. Two, two receivers who outscored Justin Jefferson today in a lie. Xavier Restrepo.
- [109:43]
C
Oh, come on, Rice, get out of here.
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A
James Prosch.
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C
Prochet.
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A
Prochet, yeah, right, right, yeah. Greg Laverdain.
- [109:55]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [109:56]
B
Who?
- [109:56]
C
The Browns guy. What's his name?
- [109:59]
B
I don't know who that is. Is Xavier Restrepo on the Titans?
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A
Titans, yeah, because he played with Camborder Miami. Right.
- [110:05]
B
I don't. Who was that last guy, Gabe?
- [110:07]
A
What, Gage Laverdane?
- [110:09]
C
Don't know who that is.
- [110:11]
A
He's on the. Deacon Elton. He's on the Browns.
- [110:14]
B
I'm gonna say the Browns guy scored less.
- [110:19]
A
He did. He had one yard less. He had 1.3. Justin Jefferson at 1.4. But Justin Jefferson was the 85th highest scoring receiver day. He was behind Dante Thornton Jr. Behind James Peret, behind Brandon Cooks, who just got cut by the Saints and signed the Bills like a few days ago, and behind Cody White.
- [110:39]
B
All right, well, let's just get right to it. Who's are we burning? Lamar Jackson or Justin Jefferson?
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A
I think Justin Jefferson, because Lamar, ultimately, while he was hurt for a while, has had three bad games in a row, and they're three bad games. But Justin Jefferson, he's different.
- [110:55]
C
He's in an untenable situation.
- [110:57]
A
Lamar had a lot of things.
- [110:59]
C
He's at the mercy of the fucking quarterback.
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A
Justin Jefferson might like.
- [111:05]
B
You're wrecking my laugh.
- [111:06]
A
I, I, I don't think there were many players you could have found on waivers that could have done worse.
- [111:11]
B
That's him talking to Cal Naughton. Just. You're wrecking my life.
- [111:14]
C
He's calling him to ask him about the remote controller or something.
- [111:19]
B
Sam Darnold is you. Li.
- [111:21]
A
You. You. You took my wife.
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C
You live in my house.
- [111:23]
B
Why are you calling me right now? Why am I talking to you?
- [111:29]
A
Max Brosmer, Jackson Smith and Jigua. And Jefferson.
- [111:34]
C
I think we. We burned Jefferson because he. He can't control his situation. Lamar is. He's controls his own desk.
- [111:41]
B
I'm more mad at Lamar because Lamar, It's. It's. It feels like it's more Lamar's responsibility, and the blame can be placed directly on Lamar, more so than Justin Jefferson, who's just getting screwed.
- [111:53]
A
I think you're just mad Lamar Jackson because you have more Lamar Jackson than Justin Jefferson.
- [111:58]
B
Yeah, but, I mean, you could say that for everybody who has Lamar Jackson versus everybody who has Justin Jefferson.
- [112:02]
A
I know, but the last four weeks, Justin. You know, my favorite person. Justin Jefferson ranks 61st the last four weeks among receivers. Do you know who's 60th? Jalen Naylor.
- [112:12]
B
Lamar on the Vikings, Lamar has scored less points than Shador Sanders over the last three weeks. He's basically the worst quarterback in fantasy. I don't know. I don't know.
- [112:25]
A
Well, I think. I guess this is the answer. Who are you more likely to start next week?
- [112:29]
B
Who has scored more points in the last three weeks? Maybe we'll just do it that way. Justin Jefferson or Lamar?
- [112:35]
A
Jefferson is averaging Lamar 5.6.
- [112:39]
B
Lamar is averaging 6.1.
- [112:41]
A
That's pretty much. No, we got it. Oh, is it Lamar? Is it Lamar?
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B
Dude, I. I think we burned.
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C
He's playing the Steelers next week. Craig.
- [112:50]
B
I know.
- [112:50]
C
Starting against the Steelers.
- [112:51]
B
I don't know what the. It's like two hobos fighting over a piece of trash. I have no idea what's gonna happen in that game.
- [112:58]
A
T.K. you're the time. You're the time vote here. Craig's going Lamar. I'm going.
- [113:02]
C
Jeff, I understand why Craig is upset, but my understanding of the burn book is like to save yourself, save you from yourself. You can't start Justin Jefferson anymore, even though his name is Justin.
- [113:14]
B
But isn't that almost worse? You have to start Lamar.
- [113:17]
A
I think it's the other way around. I think you. You can bench.
- [113:19]
C
I think you are easier than.
- [113:20]
A
You can bench Jefferson.
- [113:22]
B
No, you can't bench Lamar. You think you're benching Lamar?
- [113:24]
C
You can play Lamar is what I was gonna say.
- [113:28]
A
Yeah, but, like, oh, I mean, whether.
- [113:31]
C
It'S Brosner or Brosmer, whatever. Brosmer or McCarthy.
- [113:37]
B
Yeah, I mean, they're both just Absolute disasters.
- [113:39]
C
I mean, they can't run an offense.
- [113:40]
B
You want to go Jefferson? We'll go Jefferson. And if Lamar shits the bed against the Steelers.
- [113:44]
A
Lamar. We could go. We could go Lamar.
- [113:47]
B
You sure?
- [113:49]
C
We just agreed.
- [113:50]
A
All right, fine. We'll go Jefferson. No, let's go, Jeff. This is insane. We'll go Jefferson.
- [113:54]
B
Yeah, the Jefferson thing is like a one time brosmer situation. I mean, even when, I mean, not that he's great with JJ McCarthy, but you know Jefferson, he's still bad with J.
- [114:03]
A
He's had over 11 points once since week five.
- [114:06]
B
No, I know.
- [114:07]
A
All right, okay. Justin Jefferson. You're doing right?
- [114:10]
B
Justin Jefferson Lamar. By the skin of his teeth.
- [114:14]
A
All right, so the burn book now is Jalen Waddle.
- [114:16]
C
I can't believe we burned Justin Jefferson. Why? It's just weird.
- [114:21]
A
Oh, yeah, it is weird. Yeah, you're right.
- [114:23]
B
It's always a great way to look back on the season. Look at the burn book.
- [114:26]
A
Jaylen Waddles. Week one, Mark Andrews, Isaiah. We should.
- [114:29]
B
We should bury these. We should like carve these into rocks and bury them so that 50 years from now, like the time.
- [114:34]
A
Should we do a time capsule? Should we bury a time capsule?
- [114:37]
B
We should. I mean, we should actually bury maybe a literal book of the burn book. And people can then be like, wow, Justin Jefferson was on the burn book in 2025.
- [114:47]
A
That's good.
- [114:48]
C
Yeah. It has to be something physical because if we try and do some digital burn book thing, like fucking, no one's going to be able to log in. The wires will be all different. You can't fucking charge it up. I know.
- [114:58]
B
It's going to be in the cloud.
- [114:59]
C
Come on. It's going to be in the cloud.
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A
Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for listening. Emails ringerfantasyfootballmail.com emails, fantasy courts. Emails, Trivia. Yeah. Follow us on Instagram Ringer Fantasy football. Follow us on TikTok Ringer Fantasy Football. Thank you, Lord.
- [115:21]
C
Lord. Thank you, the Verve.
- [115:25]
B
Who's that?
- [115:29]
C
Craig is so upset. Bittersweet Symphony.
- [115:32]
B
Oh, great song.
- [115:34]
C
I don't know if they have any other songs, to be honest. I bet they do.
- [115:38]
B
I'm sure they have other songs.
- [115:39]
C
Like one or two. Yeah, I'm sure they have other songs, but you know what I mean.
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B
Yeah, I just think of dirt off your shoulders.
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C
No, Dirt off your shoulders.
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B
Yeah, the Jay Z song, the remix with the bittersweet.
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C
You never heard of Mashup There's a mashup.
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B
Oh, one of the best.
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C
Send it to me, Craig.
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A
Come on. Jay Z has a remix with the Bittersweet Symphony. Is it just a shoulder? You know what I was actually just listening to the other day was the. The Jay Z Linkin park collabs were awesome.
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C
Oh. Oh, yeah.
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B
I didn't love when they were like. I don't like when they, like, force rap into pop or other genre. Like when, like. Was it Kendrick Lamar on Bad Blood.
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A
The Taylor Swift song that was less cool?
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B
I never like when it's.
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A
That was a little. Yeah, the end game. That was a little forced first. All that. All those little sojourns. Yeah.
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B
I will say. Yeah. The. The. What was the song that Jay Z was on with Lincoln Park? Was it Numb?
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A
No, they did a bunch. They did Numb and Encore Izzo and the.
- [116:43]
B
Those were all right.
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C
I haven't thought about that in so long. Holy.
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A
They were great.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. No dk, by the way, it's not a Jay Z song. It's like some mashup. But it's.
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C
It's great.
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B
I highly recommend it.
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C
Send it over. The Seahawks used to play Bittersweet Symphony before every kickoff off. For some reason, I don't know why they chose.
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B
That's a weird choice.
- [117:03]
C
It is, but it, like, it actually works. It got people jacked up, ready to. Ready to rock.
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B
Interesting. You know what song I've been listening to? It's, like, barely a song, but I actually have never. I didn't even see Deadpool and Wolverine, but there's a song in it that is like a prayer, but it's the choir version. And it's amazing. It's sometimes in, like, NFL edits where it'll be like some. A quarterback throwing a beautiful throw, and it's like the. It's like the angels crying. I hear your voice. I hear your. It's amazing.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So good. I love it.
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C
I'm gonna check that out, too.
- [117:42]
A
Big Matt, play that over. Max Brosmer throwing the ball to Earnest Chance.
- [117:46]
B
We should do that. We can get sued by the NFL and Madonna.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Goodbye, everyone.
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C
Foreign.
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A
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