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Week 15 Recap: Peak Pitts, Mahomes and Micah Go Down, Bo Nixes Love, Daddy Josh, Grandpa Rivers, and Buzz Nutter
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Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hybetz and I'm joined by Danny Kaley and Greg Grohrbeck. And we're going over all the games from Week 15 of the NFL season aka the first round of the playoffs of fantasy football season. We're gonna go through nine is back for the Vikings and there's some binturongs at the end of the show and then the Giants are dumb and there's some other stuff at Ms. Too.
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B
Totally. We've got a great show for you tonight. All right, Britney Spears is here, so stick around and we will be right back.
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A
Calm down, Deacon. Don't get too excited.
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C
She holds a special place in my generation's heart, that's all.
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B
Oh, dude, she's going heart.
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A
Is that it? Heart. Oops.
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C
I did it again to your heart.
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C
34 to 26.
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B
34 to 26. Double digits close.
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A
It was eight is almost ten.
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B
Yeah, it's you. You did really, you did. It was close.
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A
I was close.
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B
Yeah.
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A
DK, what did you think of JJ McCarthy abandoning the whole fix the mechanics thing and just being like, yeah, just make decisions.
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C
I mean it seems like it's working. He definitely had a much better game than he had like previous to where they were talking about all his mechanics and fixing his mechanics and all that stuff. I think that really got to his head. I still think he throws kind of funky. They talked about it a bunch on the broadcast. Like when he was rolling to his left, there was one Play in particular, where it's just like it looks like he has to put his whole body into the throw. But for the most part he was playing pretty confident, pretty swaggy. Like he did the gritty. When he scored that touchdown, he was like celebrating and I don't know, it just looked like he has all his confidence back, which is great. Obviously people are going to say, oh, it came against this Cowboys defense, it doesn't count. But honestly, like, I'm just happy to see him playing well because the NFL just needs more good quarterbacks and he still has a chance, I think, to be one.
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B
Why would you say the NFL needs more good quarterbacks? Would they like bring some Guy Back who's 44 years old in 5 years or something?
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C
Yeah, I mean, like, that's just one example, but yeah.
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B
Okay, that's a fair point. I can't tell if J.J. mcCarthy's good.
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C
I can't either. I mean, I don't think the, obviously the book is not closed on him one way or another.
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B
I think it's nice to know that he is not a disaster.
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C
Yes. Which, that's what I was saying.
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B
Which is comforting to know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's like the last two games he was solid against the commanders and against the Cowboys, two below par defenses. Yeah. I don't know, it feels like the only throw he can make is like a 25 yard missile, but it's accurate most of the time and he can kind of do that and everything else. Like if he has to make a pass under 10 yards, like it is going through his wide receiver. And oftentimes Justin Jefferson's hands feels like Jefferson is not used to the speed that J.J. mcCarthy is throwing. Like can't catch the ball. Yeah. What do you think of jj?
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C
That seems really stupid.
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A
Yeah, they're like, smart coach, just hit it on the fairway and like, we'll fix this in the offseason. And like that has worked against the worst defenses in the NFL. So I think the Cowboys, it was pretty pathetic. I think Barnwell had a great post today that basically argued the Cowboys entire defensive turnaround was basically just destroying the Raiders and otherwise the Cowboys have been basically still pretty bad on defense. Quinn and Williams got hurt today among other people. But yeah, I, I, I'm, I guess I'm happy that J.J. mcCarthy, after the season he's had, could still do the gritty into the end zone. I don't think I would have the humility or the like, I don't think I would have enough pride salvaged after my entire face became a meme all season to be synonymous with being a terrible quarterback.
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B
Yeah, but he doesn't know that. Cause there's no way he's online.
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A
He's too, that's true.
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B
He's too focused on himself.
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C
I think the fact that he was that like showing that much swag on the field is honestly like a really good sign considering how much he's absolutely been destroyed over the last couple of months. I thought it was like legitimately a good sign. Like he's out there having fun, which is surprising considering the shit he's had to take.
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B
I wonder. There's a world in which this is the worst case scenario for the Vikings where he's like, good enough.
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C
Right, right.
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To come back next year and maybe the year after. And you kind of keep convincing yourself that, like, let's give this guy a shot. And in reality, he's definitely the worst quarterback in his division. And they just are going to have no shot as long as they have him because they're going up against Goff, Caleb and Jordan Love.
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Yeah, well, you know what? He'll just fix it at the range. You know, that always works. So now they'll fix it in the K. We'll see. I mean, look, he's still a young quarterback and they'll do. I think it's a great bit that Jalen Naylor is the number one receiver on the Vikings. Jalen Naylor tonight ended up with. What did he have? He had 47 yards and two touchdowns. Justin Jefferson had two catches for 22 yards. So if you had him in fantasy, then you're officially out of the playoffs. Congratulations.
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B
So for the last two games, J.J. mcCarthy has five touchdown passes. He threw for, you know, a little over 400 yards. They scored over 30 points in both those games. And Justin Jefferson has 33 yards in those two games.
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C
So there's a lot of meat on the bone is what you're saying.
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A
That's true. A lot of room for improvement.
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B
Yeah, pin high. Just, just not on the green.
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I mean, he, pat, he, he threw a touchdown to Justin Jefferson today and Justin Jefferson just friggin missed it. So he was just so surprised.
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He was just so shocked.
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C
We can't blame this on J.J. mcCarthy.
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Oh, okay. Well, the last three. I'm just saying, Justin Jefferson, whatever it is. I'm just saying if you took Justin Jefferson in the first round the last three weeks, Justin Jefferson in the NFL ranks 93rd in receiving yards among wide receivers. He has, he's 90. He's behind Jalen, he's behind Mitchell Tinsley.
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B
He has 37 yards in three games.
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Yeah, it's not great. So sorry.
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B
It's like all time. We're kind of approaching all time fantasy disaster for Justin Jefferson. Like first round pick, best receiver in the league, 37 yards in weeks 13, 14 and 15 is a calamity. Yeah. As bad as it gets.
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A
If you just do the quadrant graph. If you just do a graph of how talented the player is and how bad the performance for healthy people. Yeah, it's probably the worst stretch.
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B
I mean, and even if you were like, well, I'm, I'm thinking about sitting Justin Jefferson, as crazy as that sounds. Well, you, you sneak into the playoffs, you look at the schedule. Oh, they're playing Dallas. Okay, I'll give it one more go. And he has three points.
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The other person, Brandon Aubrey, I think his brain broke tonight. Did the fake field goal on the first on the driveway. The game started with Mike Tirico being like, J.J. mcCarthy didn't throw a pick last week. How cool is that? And then him and Collinsworth are barely done speaking. And then McCarthy throws the tip pick and then they do the fake field goal, which was pretty cool. And then Brandon Aubrey missed two kicks after that kind of broke his brain.
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B
Yeah. So this is what happens to all kickers if they fail. Eventually they fail in one team and then they go to another team and they become a Legend and hit game winners like the guy on the Groupie.
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A
You want to just. Should we just do Rivers right now?
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B
Is he getting the winner? Are the Seahawks the winner and the loser? Who's. Who wants to assign that?
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I feel like the Seahawks literally won the game and they're the literal winners, but the in. In spirit. I kind of feel like the Seahawks lost that game and the Colts won.
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They ensured that no one will have any faith in the Seahawks in the playoffs this year. Right. When we want them.
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Yeah. You can't be the overdog like Bo Nick. So The Seahawks won 18 16. Just to recap this, Philip Rivers comes back for the Colts at 44 and then actually leads a comeback. And they. He gets the Colts, him and Blake Groupie. Blake groupie. It's a 60 yard field goal with 47 seconds left and the Colts take the lead.
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It was great too, cause the broadcast caught Groupie just like hitting the smelling salts right before the play. He's like walking out onto the field. He just hits him and then he just nails the 60 yarder and it was like right down the middle. It was no, no doubt about it. But yeah, I mean overall, I mean what, what did you think of this Philip Rivers game?
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No, no, I, I don't care what we thought. What did you think? You're a Seahawks fan and you have the, you allegedly have the best.
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C
I was the one that was the most defensive of Philip Rivers before this game, for the record.
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A
I thought you guys were like, you.
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Guys were like so confident in the Seahawks. It was making me really nervous. And lo and behold that turned out to be the case. I don't think he like played especially well, but he played much better than anyone could have expected. A 44 year old, I guess five, five year. A five year like retirement. I mean he almost freaking got them to win the game. It's not like he was making like big throws and things like that. But I do think, and this is what I said before, I think he gave them a much better chance to win than Frickin Riley Leonard would have. So, um, yeah, the Seahawks, they, they got away with this one skin of their teeth. Fricking Jason.
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What the fuck happened? How did you let, how did you almost lose this game?
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Seahawks can't run the ball to save their life. Sam Darnold is Sam Darnold. He made a couple nice plays, I will give it him credit on like the last drive. He got them in position to win the game.
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But 56 yard field goal from Jason Myers who had all of your. He had six field goals. He had all 18 points.
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B
The Seahawks were losing 13 to 6 at halftime. What were your group texts like at that moment?
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C
I think it was like, what is happening? I think I. Everybody was like, so just absolutely. There was, you know, there was the feeling that there was absolutely no doubt that Philip Rivers was going to, like, get murdered in this game. And I'm like, he, he was literally up for the hall of Fame like a week ago. Why does everyone think he's going to be that bad? I didn't quite understand it. Um, but what do you mean? Obviously he's like 260 pounds.
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B
Well, he wasn't up for the hall of Fame last week because he stopped playing last week. It's because it had been five years.
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C
No, I know, but I'm just saying he's a fucking, you know, potential hall of Famer. So people acting like he's. People were acting like he's going out there like some make a wish kid or something.
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B
I don't know, man. I, I don't think he's going to.
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Get chopped in half by the Seahawks defense.
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B
I don't think he was particularly impressive at all. I mean, he was.
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C
I'm not saying he was.
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He had 120 yards. They somehow only sacked him once. His arm had no juice. Every single ball was like a two underhand lob to the wide receiver. It was remarkable. He wasn't picked off 10 times.
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I got it. I, I mean, I was pretty impressed. I can't believe he went out there and did that. Yeah, yeah, it, yeah, his. It looks better than you. Slower than the speed of smell. His passes look like they wouldn't get a ticket in a school zone. I actually, the only time I've ever wanted the next gen stats tracking on the passes, they didn't have them for me. I wanted to know how fast things were going. I can't. He completed 18 passes in this game and they weren't all screens. Like, he was throwing further downfield than I thought. I, I don't think he could throw 35 yards anymore down and I don't know. I, it, it did look like things were in slow motion. I, There was even the runs, like some of the wider runs, like him even just getting the ball to Jonathan Taylor on time, like running to hand the ball off, like, even that was a step slow. Having said that, I, I don't know how you can come away with anything other than, like, yeah, this guy came in on five days notice that he hadn't Played football in five years and he almost won the fucking game. Passing with flying colors.
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I think that's the other thing that we just like didn't, didn't really mention a lot because we weren't quite sure if he was going to play it out. But like he literally got signed a few days ago. Like he barely, barely got even to Indianapolis before he freaking started for them.
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Brutal stretch for him coming off Thanksgiving where he probably ate so much. He was in full dad mode.
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Oh my God.
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I mean he, he was popping out of that jersey. I mean he looked like a, like a dad at a corporate kickball game out there. He was. Dude, he was having a fucking. He was a pig in shit today. He was having a blast. Side. I don't. He didn't give a shit if they won or lost. He was just happy to be there, happy to be completing passes. He really seemed like he was having a great time.
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Boys night out. He's. He's at home with his 10 fucking kids. He's like, I can't. This is great. I came back to the NFL for some peace and quiet. This feels great. I'm loving this. It's amazing.
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I think he dyed his hair. His hair is really smooth brown. Did you guys check that? A really rich, light brown color on film.
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I mean, you're probably right. He's probably, that's actually probably what he was doing during the week. He's like, I can't let them see how gray I am.
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B
I saw a tweet about Rivers that I'd like to recite to you guys about how old he is and how long he's been in the league and what this day signified. Philip Rivers completed his first NFL pass 21 years ago when he replaced a now 63 year old Doug Flutie in the second half of a game played in a stadium that no longer exists for a team that no longer exists. He played today.
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C
Love that. Almost won. Almost.
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I'm just. I think that Rivers is a winner even if the Colts are a loser. I think Blake Group is a winner for making that kick even though they lost the game. I don't know. I'm blown away. I don't know if the Colts are going to win a game the rest of the year, but my friend Emma on a Saturday, we had a Christmas party and she just was like, so why is this happening? How is. There's nobody else. There's nobody else that. Other than this 44 year old guy who hasn't played in five years. And she was like, why? And the.
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C
I don't know.
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I'm curious. You guys think the best answer I could give was basically just the bar for just knowing what you're doing. Yeah, just. You'd be shocked how much the physical abilities are completely irrelevant of the younger players. If they can't actually identify anything within four seconds that it doesn't matter because once you go down to the fourth string quarterbacks, I guess even past Riley Leonard, it's like Brett Rippen. Those guys physical skills, they don't have reps like it. It doesn't matter if they're a little bit younger if they have no idea. And Rivers just being able to identify like cover three. Oh, they switched it post snap. Oh, it's that I'll just throw it there. Even if it's going at the speed of smell. He can make up the lack of velocity on his freaking passes because he can, he can throw it a second earlier which is why it makes up because it actually is taking a full second longer to get there.
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C
What's the speed of smell expression that you're saying is did you make that.
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Up or is that from a Ron white joke like 25 years ago? That always stuck with me. Oh yeah, Ron White, remember that guy.
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Human. Human whiskey.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would just straight do the, the Redneck Comedy Tour. I had that on an itunes gift card. Bought the Redneck Comedy Tour with Ron White. He had a good job with the speed.
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B
He was like in that. I remember as a kid growing up it was like it was Jeff Foxworthy and like ro.
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A
Larry the Cable Guy.
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B
Larry the Cable Guy.
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He has like all those Bill Engvall.
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B
Bill Engvall, yeah. He had a TV show.
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C
I had the Jeff Foxworthy books. Like the, you know, you're a redneck if. Or whatever.
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Bill Engvall had the. Here's your sign. It's good. Email us about the Redneck Comedy Tour.
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B
Hey, my intrusive thought, I want to skip ahead just briefly because I had one during this game that I want to. I want to talk about right now. The, the Seahawks Colts game with Phil Rivers. To me, that final possession where the Colts had to march down the field and kick a field goal and they did and groupie hit a six yard goal. My intrusive thought was like this to me. This to me shows that the field position situation in the NFL is, is. Has gone too far and we need to pull back, make a longer field. Yes or no, the field. It's the field position. Like we, we can't be getting the ball at the 35 anymore. Philip Rivers. 44 year old Philip Rivers, not being able to really throw the football kind of easily was able to get into field goal range against the Seahawks. And I'm like, I actually think I hate this now. Phil Rivers on that drive had two passes for 19 yards and Justin and Jonathan Taylor had three carries for 7 yards. And that was enough to tie the game in dramatic fashion. And I just hate that. I don't like it.
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I agree. And I think that we just. The answer is we have to bully the NFL because if we tell the NFL that field goals are just participation trophies now and it's part of their like snowflake culture, the NFL, they'll get all offended and be like, pull back. But you're right because it's a 26 yard drive puts them in field goal position. And I think the key point is that this isn't, this is December. And this game was Blake Groupe, who is, I believe, the third kicker that Colts have had this year. He got cut by the Saints. Correct. So the third kicker the Colts had this year made a 60 yard field goal by a lot. I think he hit the net like, like that was probably good. From 63, which again was the record. And it's the combination of. They moved it up, but also they allow them to fuck with the footballs now. Like they can mess with them for like a week.
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B
You can say, massage the balls.
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C
Why did they.
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A
Yeah, yeah, you're right. So the NFL has approved the, the NFL is pro massaging the balls. Like that's the official policy now. And the, the ball massaging has led to, you know, it's, it's a completely new era.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And it's like if we're, if, if, if Blake Gruby's coming off, you know, waivers kicking 63 yard field goals while Philip Rivers only needs 25 yards to get down the field. I'm not sure what sport I'm watching anymore and I don't like it.
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I think that they just can't let, they can't. We have to go, we have to stop massaging the balls. Which I never thought I, you know, I never thought I'd say that, but.
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B
It'S just like it used to be like, oh my God, you know, game. What, what, what a game winning drive is, is meaningless to me now. I'm like, Philip Rivers had a.
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C
You make two short completions.
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B
It was, it was three rushes for seven yards a pass and then one 16 yard pass. It's, I mean, it's Anybody can do that.
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A
And just to belabor the point, because I think it's worth it. The. I don't think people have any idea the difference when they get to actually break. This is what deflate gate was about. But the kickers in particular. It's like a baseball m. When the football comes out of the packaging, it's like a baseball mitt. A baseball player would never use a baseball m of the packaging. So it used to be you get 90 minutes to. With the football. Let's imagine a baseball m. After an hour, nothing. You get a full week with like an equipment, like a full professional training staff. They could do whatever. They. They get to make eight footballs for a week. They have machines. They. They have, like, why make this rule change? Be. Because they want more points and it was a mistake.
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B
Who.
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C
Who wants more field goals?
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A
It's because play. There was allegations of like, cheating.
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C
We already had, I think more field goals last year.
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B
You want a second serving the vegetables? Who wants.
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C
This is like a big, big field goal lobby on this or something. What's the deal?
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Yeah, big field goal was like, let us massage the balls. But I think dk. I think the answer is we have to stop massaging the balls. Is that correct?
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C
I agree. The other thing that I think you brought this up is Mike McDonald on the Colts last drive was calling timeout, and I thought that was an interesting one. Not every coach would maybe do that because it's like kind of helping the offense a little bit with their drive. Not. It obviously didn't help the Colts that much before they hit that field goal, but it preserved enough time for the Seahawks to do their little mini, you know, drive back. So I thought that was kind of interesting too.
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He shot Mike McDonald shouted out. They have a. An analyst on staff named Brian, I think Brian Ayres, who basically was like, you should use the timeouts now. Which if the Seahawks lost, they would have gotten destroyed for this. But the Seahawks won because they used the timeouts in that spot.
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C
Yeah, they kept themselves. They had like a minute over a minute to get to do their thing too. So.
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B
So what? Like, what. What now for Philip Rivers? Is it he's gonna keep doing this or, like, he's gonna play again next week?
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A
Part of me thinks, yeah, because I think the reason they signed him is Riley Leonard is a knee injury and PCL injury. It's like Riley Leonard, if he can't run, he's not a POC passing quarterback. It's like Justin Fields, if Justin Fields can't run what are you going to play him for?
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B
I kind of never considered the fact that this would continue in my head. This is Craig's thinking.
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C
This is going to be like the cold bucket. The cold plunge chat. What is the bucket?
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B
The cold challenge.
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C
Yeah, the ice bucket challenge. Philip Rivers is now going to. Now going to challenge Ben Roethlisberger to come out of retirement next week.
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A
Brady's like, no, he's tagging me. Cam Newton's like, why is no one tagging me?
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You know, Brady was pissed watching these games today and be like, I could be doing this right now.
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B
I mean, I wonder how many fun.
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C
Of me for how terrible I am.
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B
At announcing how many other quarterbacks in their mid-40s could have put up 16 today. Like, is it a decent amount now?
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Like, I, That's. I think Brady, Cam Newton was like, I could do this. And watching the game, I'm like, you know what? Maybe Kevin could do it even though he can't throw.
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C
It was like the Peyton Manning thing. He couldn't throw towards the end of his career.
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A
No, br. No, I. Peyton could not. I kind of, you know, I. I.
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B
Kind of think Eli could.
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A
I. I was just about to say part of me thinks Eli could pull it out of his ass.
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B
He's the same as Eli, same age as Phil.
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A
Yeah, they're the same draft. I don't think Eli's remotely in shape, though, or studying NFL offenses.
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B
Would you guys watch like a. You know that three on three basketball league that like. Did Ice Cube start that? Whatever it's called, the big three?
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C
Were they the trampolines?
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B
No, that's.
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A
No, that was. That was that. Which was phenomenal. And I can't believe that never worked.
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B
Yeah, people in the big three played slam ball. They would all be dead.
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Slam ball is sick.
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B
But would you guys watch like a. Like a 40 and up retired hall of Fame football league where it's like the seniors tour? It's like Eli Manning playing seven on seven tour.
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Would you guys watch that old guy seven on seven?
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C
I think I would.
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B
Maybe. It's flag football.
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A
I mean. Yeah, probably.
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B
Yeah, right? That's kind of interesting.
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A
Old guy flag football. Dude. Kurt Warner would take that so seriously.
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B
That should be the Pro Bowl. Should be the old bowl. And it's just the old guys.
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C
That's how they should decide who gets the number one spot in the announcer rankings. Troy Aikman.
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A
Dude, the announcers have to play.
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C
It's like a play in tournament. Yeah.
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B
Al Michaels is. What is he playing?
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A
Tight end. He's like blue Al Michaels. We're gonna have to sunset my boy. Blow. All right. We have to sunset Al. I'm a little worried about that. The Falcons came back from 28 to 14 in the fourth quarter and they hit the field goal and it sounded like an extra point. Al Michaels was like, oh, and it's through and the game's over.
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C
He was just thinking about that steak.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Gonna get after the game.
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B
He's like, Jameer Gibbs 80 yard touchdown.
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A
God. Anyway, yeah, that's pretty good. That Pro bowl announces have to do it. Okay.
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C
I want to see if Aikman can still spin it. You know, they asked Aikman.
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A
Scott Van Pell asked Aikman if he could still throw. And Trachman just looked at him and didn't say anything.
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B
I bet he can. I want like a combine for old athletes.
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A
You should have to submit your 40. Time to retire. You could. You can't file your paperwork until you. You have to run. Do the combine again to leave. Okay. We have to get to the winners or losers here. The rest of the. The. Everyone else here. So the elephant in the room. Patrick Mahomes tore his acl. Michael Parsons tore his acl. Kind of a downer of a day overall.
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B
Not gonna lie for many reasons. Certainly.
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A
Chiefs lost 16 to 13 of the charges. The Chiefs officially limited for the playoffs. I don't. I. I don't know. Is it aggressive? I don't know. Dk. I feel like Pat, the first half of Patrick Mahomes career just officially ended today.
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B
Yeah.
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C
I mean, it does feel like the closing of a chapter, certainly. I mean, Travis Kelsey is going to probably retire, I would assume. And, and if you just like look at what this, like getting eliminated from the playoffs, like what this is relative to basically every other season that Patrick Mahomes has been a starter. It's crazy. Ten straight playoff for the Chiefs. Ten straight playoff appearances. Nine straight division titles, five super bowl appearances in six years with three wins. This is the first time Mahomes has not made the playoffs.
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B
It's, it's.
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C
It is just kind of crazy when you realize that this is, I don't think, the end of an era. I don't know if era is the right word because Mahomes is still going to come back and he's still going to be really good. I don't think Andy Reid is going to retire. But. But yeah, I mean, it's pretty massive disappointment for. For the Chiefs, who have just been absolutely dominant for 10 straight years.
- [25:30]
B
It's the end of the first chapter of Mahomes. There's now going to be a clear delineation of how people discuss his career. Where it will be like from getting drafted to age 30 and then however long he plays, whether there's two or three more chapters like Brady. But speaking of Brady. This, this. So with Mahomes now ACL out, Chiefs are not making the playoffs. This is going to be the first AFC title game without either Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady starting at quarterback since 2010.
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C
Whoa.
- [25:57]
B
When it was Mark Sanchez versus Ben Roethlisberger. And the only reason why Brady wasn't in that game is because he tore his acl. Which is funny because now Brady and Mahomes have both torn their ACL in their ninth season and they had three.
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A
Super wins before they did that. Yeah, I think they were the same age, too.
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B
Probably similar.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, I do think that the. You're right. It's probably aggressive to say end of an era. It was the end of an era when, like Brady and. And Eli and Rivers and Roethlisberger all retired. So I think the same way, like, when these guys are gone, that's the end of an era. But it does feel like I, I know I've said this for a few weeks now, but there is. We are absolutely between waves where the Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, dominance in the afc. It's. That is obviously just over. Like I, you know, Josh, I mean, I don't even know if Lamar is going to make the playoffs. Burrow got eliminated today with the Bengals. The Chiefs got eliminated today. But then we still are about to see Drake, May, Bo Nicks, you know, all these other guys, you know, Jordan Love, obviously that's the nfc, but I all. It just. We're in between just eras of quarterbacks right now.
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B
But it's weird because in the past when it's been like the changing of the guard, it's when Ben Roethlisberger was 37, like Josh Allen and Lamar, these guys, like 28, 29, 30 years old. Like, in theory, this should not be a passing of the torch. This should be just more competition.
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A
They're not gone forever, but they're just all having completely off seasons at the same time. And they're all kind of having. It's like midlife crisis, I guess, for all these guys right now. They're all just kind of like, I don't know what's going to go on next.
- [27:30]
B
Also a lot of guys who are mobile and it's Like, I. I wonder what. I mean, Josh Allen is still looks fantastic. So it's not him we're talking about, but, like, it'll be interesting to see how Lamar and Josh and a lot of these mobile guys get into their early to mid-30s and see what happens.
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A
The Packers, I mean, Micah Parsons out for the season of the acl. Christian Watson. We don't know exactly what the diagnosis you might now, you might have it by the time you listen to this, but certainly looked like he broke his collarbone. He was listed as a chest injury. He went to the hospital. James Palmer at NFL Network reported or at James Palmer report. I think Underdog now reported that Christian Watson went to the hospital in an ambulance. So I don't know what the deal is. I don't think Christian Watson's playing anytime soon. So he's the most explosive player on offense and frankly their best offensive player other than Jordan Love. Zach Tom, the right tackle re got re injured today. And then Michael Parsons. I'm like, that's two of their best. Three of their best. Six players, honestly, for Green Bay all kind of left this game hurt for some amount of time.
- [28:23]
B
Yeah, the. The Watson play looked like Mike Evans earlier this year. Yes, those collarbone plays are just unavoidable. I mean, that's such a natural way to fall. And.
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C
And it.
- [28:31]
B
It. It's. It's really brutal. Awful for him who, like, looks fantastic coming back from a late ACL tear last year. Super brutal. Huge win for Denver. I mean, they're my winner of the week. Bo Nick's winner of the week. Like, so. They won 34, 26. They clinched the playoffs. The Broncos are now 12 and 2. They've won 11 straight, which ties a franchise record. Ten of those 12 wins are one score. They've now beaten the Eagles, Cowboys, Texans, Chiefs and Packers. And Bo Nicks looks like great today. Just across the board has that. He has that a little bit of Josh Allen. Like, it's late in the game. He's gonna make something work.
- [29:09]
C
And like, it's like out of structure stuff. He's really good.
- [29:12]
B
He was awesome.
- [29:13]
C
Making things happen.
- [29:14]
B
Yeah, like, his mobility is so fluid. He has like legit speed and wiggle. And it feels like these quarterbacks, like Caleb is a little bit like this too, where it's like they are not run first, but when they need to run, they can really run. And Josh is like that much more now than he used to be. But Bo is doing a lot, I mean, a lot of great touch passes today. Like him to Cortland Sutton, a couple really nice plays. The touchdown to Troy Franklin was really nice. Very methodical down the field. I thought he was as impressive as. I think it was probably the best game of his career. He had a couple throws that, that could have been intercepted that weren't by Green Bay, but he's just like tremendous in the fourth quarter. Even, even in fantasy, he's the, he averages the second most fantasy points in the fourth quarter this year behind Josh Allen.
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C
Yeah, man, I think this was a statement win for sure.
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B
They were underdogs. This is what we were talking on Thursday. They were underdogs at home. This team was 11 and two underdogs at home.
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C
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously the packers are a really good team and it was a back and forth game, really fun game, but they stayed competitive all the way throughout. And I don't know, to me it's just like it's. The statement is stop pretending or stop ignoring us. Stop pretending like we're not a real contender in the afc. You know, they, they are the legit winners of this division. And I don't know, I think this is like, I'm certainly taking them a lot more seriously after this game. Not that I wasn't like impressed with them before, but it just feels like an announcement that they are a legit contender for the super bowl now.
- [30:43]
B
Bonix ties Big Ben, Andrew Luck and Dak Prescott now for the second most quarterback wins in the first two seasons of his career. I mean, I'm. Sure he'll. He has three more games against the Jags, the Chiefs without Mahomes and the Chargers. So I'm sure they're going to win at least two of those.
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A
I thought the Broncos completely ran away with it, honestly, the moment Michael Parsons got hurt. Michael Parsons got hurt on I think the second to last play of the third quarter or the third to last play. He had five pressures in the third quarter alone. And then two plays later, the Broncos score a touchdown. And then they score a touchdown the next drive and they score 14 points. So I don't want to grade it on a curve because it's more like it was pretty ruthless and they kind of stepped on Green Bay's throats the moment Michael Parsons went out of the game. I think you certainly are going to see that with the Green Bay's defense the rest of the way, but I don't know if we've really reckoned with the. And I know Broncos fans are light years ahead of us in this, but I think this game was a reminder Of Sean Payton has a top four defense of the NFL. But like when the offense gets rolling it's like oh my God. And I think that the, it still looks hard for them at times. There are still so many moments that Sean Payton takes so long to read the play call that Bo Nicks like loses his mind. That happened on the first drive of the game.
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C
Play calls.
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A
Yeah, well it's because he has the longest play calls left. And frankly Sean Payton is. I don't know what's going on with him but I, I mean he just speaks slower now. Like we went to the combine. He speaks like he's six to three.
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C
That's when you get older.
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A
And he, so he just. I honestly like he has long play calls. It takes him a second longer to think. But other than that there are still, you know, stops and starts. But I thought Bonix. I agree Craig. I think it was the best game he's ever played. And I, I mean that. The partic. The touchdown throw to Lil Jordan Humphrey it was actually kind of like Caleb Williams where I've made a lot of fun at Bo Nix of not having the arm talent of Caleb Williams. But he threw it in this window and I'm like that should have gotten intercepted. And I remember thinking it was the kind of pass that if Josh Allen did it or Caleb Williams did it I would have been like oh that's a bad decision. But it's really cool that you could do that because you're really talented. Really talented arm. And then Bo Nicks did it and I was like ah fuck. It's like the HR meme. I was like oh I guess when he does it I have to admit it's cool now.
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B
Yeah. And like I know every, the, the, the naysayers will say that the you know, the one score wins are bullshit. Chiefs last year whole thing we could.
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A
Talk about that next year. Now it's cool.
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B
Also like there's something to winning close games over and over and over teaches you something like you become comfortable in that environment where it's a playoff situation and it's a close game in the fourth quarter. It's something that Bonix has done every week for the last 10 weeks. And so even if it's like they don't deserve to be winning and this team maybe is a little bit outperforming what the record should be. Whatever. Like Bo Nix is getting the experience of basically a playoff situation every single week.
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A
And the Broncos defense was great in this game too. Patrick Surtan changed the game. Patrick Surtana that interest. I mean, that was a crazy interception.
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B
That was amazing.
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C
That was the play that Christian Watson got hurt.
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A
He landed on Watson landed on him worse. But it was a great interception by certain. And like that completely changed the game. If Watson had come down with that. But. Yeah, but I think Bonix was unbelievable in this game. Honest. I probably raised the tier of quarterback Bonix is in my head. Like I.
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C
Well, I think if you look at it, obviously people are still. I don't know if they're convinced on Bonix or not, but the way that the Broncos are built, they can win. They can win it all in this type of season where Mahomes is gone, Burrow's not making the playoffs. Lamar, I don't know what's the deal with them, but they have a really strong defense. They have a creative run game. They've got a couple explosive runners. They have a ton of weapons on offense. This is obviously something that I complain about all season from a fantasy point of view, but like they. Every week they have some new guy. Michael Bandy scored a touchdown today. I don't even know who that guy is.
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A
Michael Bandy is probably the least athletically gifted wide receiver still in the NFL.
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B
And they got a touchdown.
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C
Your boy Lil Jordan Humphrey scored a touchdown. They just. And Troy Franklin looked great. I thought Marvin Mims had a couple of nice plays. They've just got a lot of different ways to beat you. They have a really good pass rush. They have really good secondary. You know, this is a team that is on paper built to win it all. And their quarterback has been playing really well late in games. So I don't know, like, that's the, that's the equation you really want.
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B
All of the, all of the. The other winner out there is the people who bet on Sean Payton this week and like started all these Broncos players. RJ Harvey had a touchdown, 70 yards. Cortland Sutton over 100 yards and a touchdown. Troy Franklin, 85 yards and a touchdown. Like everybody who you needed to play well for Denver, if you were starting in fantasy, did obviously.
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C
One final fuck you to me.
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B
I know.
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A
One final fuck you. I will say though, to your point, though, dk about the Broncos and being a Super bowl team, if we actually believe the thing we say all the time, which is defenses win championships, the best defenses we've been saying the whole year basically are the Houston Texans, the Seattle Seahawks, the Denver Broncos and the Browns, who don't really count. And I think the short version is I think I trust Bo Nicks more than I trust Sam Darnold for Seattle to win a game late. And I trust Bo Nicks honestly more than I trust CJ Stroud to not screw things up, which I never thought I would have said at the beginning of the year. But I, I, I do trust Bo Nicks more.
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C
They have a better run game than those teams, too.
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A
Yeah. And Green Bay is off the list now. Like with Micah, like I without my Micah Parsons changed everything about that team. And like everything about like that he fixed is now unfixed. Like the lack of cornerback depth, the, I mean, all, all they've talked about is how he made all the other defensive linemen on Green Bay better because they all could slot into different things. And now it's like a lot of Lucas Van Ness. So tough for Green Bay. This episode is brought to you by Ford Blue Cruise. It's not just where you're going, it's how you get there. And Ford BlueCruise hands free highway driving technology helps make the journey more enjoyable. We took it for a test drive so we could experience the convenience for ourselves. So I tested the Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving technology last month and it was amazing. I was blown away. Like we're just on the highway and you can just hit a blinker and it just changes lanes and you can set how many car lengths ahead you want the truck to be in front of or behind the car, like how far you want it from the nearest car. It was amazing. I was, I didn't realize we were there. I felt like I was living the future. So it was absolutely mind blowing. With Ford Blue Cruise, you arrive at your destination ready to take on whatever comes your way. But don't just take our word for it. Experience the convenience for yourself. Ford Blue Cruise hands free highway driving for a hands on life available feature on Blue Cruise equipped vehicles. BlueCruise requires a connected services plan and modem activation. BlueCruise driver assist features can be activated in hands free blue zones and do not replace safe driving and drivers need to control the vehicle. See Ford.com BlueCruise for more details on available plans and hands free models. The world of Avatar will change forever this Friday. Discover why Avatar Fire and Ash is being hailed as bigger, better and more emotional than ever. And the best one yet. Avatar, Fire and Ash in theaters, IMAX and 3D screens everywhere this Friday. Get tickets now. I mean, there's a lot of incredible performances today. You want to Rams the Rams Lions game first or Bill's Patriots?
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C
Yeah, I mean, I think we could talk about the Rams. Absolutely. Just continuing to be a buzz saw. Beating the Lions 41 to 34, second straight game. I think I saw this on the. On the game broadcast. 40 plus points and 400 yards in back to back games. 520 yards in this one. They averaged almost 8 yards per play. So yeah, their offense is still doing pretty well. I saw this from. Hold on, Al Carsten. And this was about the run game. The Lions run defense allowed a 69% offensive rushing success rate against the Rams. So the rams had a 69% success rate on the ground, which is the worst mark Detroit has ever had. In 86 games of the Dan Campbell era. This is the sixth most efficient rushing performance for the Rams under Sean McBay. And you know, they, they just have again, multiple ways to beat you really good defense, a totally dominant run game, and then they have Matt Stafford just throwing fricking lasers to Puka Nakua, who's an absolute maniac. Devonte Adams did get hurt in this game, so that is something to be watching going forward, especially this Thursday against the Seahawks.
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A
I mean, I already punched him. He's not playing.
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C
I mean, yeah, he's very unlikely to play in this next game.
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B
I feel like he's not going to play to the playoffs at best.
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C
Yeah, so that is, I guess, like one sort of wrench in their plans. But man, the Rams just look absolutely freaking dominant again.
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B
Also, Puka, who was fantastic today, Puka was just out of control. I don't know how. He's always open. I mean, he has like the determination of a pit bull. And his eyes not open.
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C
He's just fricking mossing people.
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B
Every time it feels like he just has more energy than every other player in the field. Like he, he has like 110% energy capability and everybody else just has 100 and he can just outwork people. He had nine catches, 181 yards today. And in the fourth quarter, caught some pass, was fighting for yards, looked like a normal play. His. His teammate lifts him up and then he just falls back to the ground like a sack of potatoes. Oh, yeah, you assume he suffered some horrific injury. That's the classic Puka experience. Definitely assuming they were out, he was out for the rest of the game. I mean, there was only. I don't. It was the fourth quarter, they were winning the game already. And then of course, like five minutes later, Puka comes back, they throw him a screen pass for like 2 yards and he has to basically drag himself off the field to get to the sideline. Because he reaggravated it every time.
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C
I swear to God. I don't know if this is actually true, but every time he gets hurt or goes to the blue tent or gets like, hobbled or whatever, immediately upon reentering the game, Sean McVeigh calls like a sweep with him carrying the ball and he just gets fucking clobbered. It's like, get back out there and make sure you get hit real hard, pal.
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B
He's.
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A
He had the most yard. Career high receiving yards today. The 181 is the most entire career. I mean, I. I think Puka and Jackson Dart are like the blue 10 all stars.
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C
Yeah, man.
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A
Like, they lead the league in the blue 10. The stat. Yeah. Plays called directly for them right after cutting back on the field after the blue tent, you know, no one beats Dart and Pukinakua. It was amazing. I mean, McVeigh, I mean, look, he's properly rated. Like, the amount of times he gets Pukinikua. The game, this game was crazy. The Lions, Rams. I said that there. I said I thought there'd be 70 points in this game. There were 75 points in this game. There were 500 yards in the first half between the Lions and Rams, which is the most any game has had in any half all year. I believe the team. The other game that had 500 yards and a half was the Lions versus the Giants because the Lions have really replaced the Bengals and Dallas as the true rainbow strip team of, like, Lions are going to put up points and get scored on. So you add a perfect. A real fantasy football matchup where Aman Rossi Brown ends up being the number one receiver on the day. Puka Nuku ends up being the number two receiver on the day. Jameson Williams is the number three receiver on the day. And then Colby Parkinson, the tight end for the Rams, is the number two tight end on the week. I don't know who's number one. We'll get to that. But it's just a crazy situation where they. Kyron Williams has two touchdowns. Like everything about the Rams and Lions, it just. I. It was amazing. But also it was two teams.
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C
Two teams with good quarterbacks who can execute the play calls from really good play callers. It just. I just love the combination of play callers, quarterbacks and skill players, and they're all fucking good. And it just works every game. It's so fun to watch.
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A
I will say, though, fireworks. It was the latest version of. Every time you watch it, you're like, I do see why Sean McVeigh swapped out golfer Stafford. Like you do see it when these teams play. And with the exception of the first driver, Stafford had the dumbest interception in the entire week. We're just like total autopilot. Just through a screen. It just wasn't looking. And Aiden Hutchinson was just there and caught it.
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C
Oh yeah.
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A
And then the Lions went down and scored literally the next play. And honestly, if that hadn't happened, it wouldn't have been quite as close. Like they just spotted them 7. It was kind of like the Vikings Cowboys game tonight where they won by eight. But in reality like JJ McCarthy just threw a pick and then they scored two plays later on a fake field goal or where they got, you know, it's. Without that. It was kind of like that Lions, Rams. With the rams. I mean 41, 34. This was just another like buzz saw. DK, the right word for the Rams.
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C
I mean, geez, man, it's. Nobody can stop this team.
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A
They're the number one seed in the nfc and they're probably going to keep it that way. Like I, you know, they'll probably, they'll probably hold onto it. The team that could not hold onto it for right now is the Patriots. I, at first I had New England Patriots as my winner today when they went up 21 nothing. I wrote in the doc, the Patriots are going to win the Super Bowl. I wrote in my notes, my Bills fans, my Bills friends were texted me saying they want everyone fired in the off season and they can't believe. And basically I literally wrote down in my intrusive thoughts the Bills wasted the only five year window from 2000 to 2040 where the Patriots were bad and the Bills did not. And now they're fucked. And then of course Josh Allen gets 28 points in the second half and they come back and win the game 34, 31. But I, you know what, like, it was pretty crazy. Like the moment where the patriots are up 21 nothing. There were a bunch of streaks in this game and everything, but I don't know. Honestly, no one summed it up better than Mike Vrabel after the game where they were like, what'd you think of Josh? He's like, what do you want me to write you an essay about the MVP? They're like, he's 652 40s fast, he's big, he's strong and he gets paid $60 million a year.
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C
He's a Vera proven.
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A
That's right.
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B
Very viral.
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A
Confirmed.
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B
Add strength. Dk. Do you think that played a factor?
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C
It did for sure. Changes Your perspective of the world, you.
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A
Know, does that happen when you. When, when she's pregnant or when it's born? Because I've heard it both ways.
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C
When it's born.
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A
Well, I didn't born gender the unborn baby. There's literally no gender yet.
- [43:59]
C
I don't know. Well, you could have said when they're born.
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A
That's true.
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C
That would have been less weird anyway. Yeah, no, I think it's more when they're born.
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A
I've heard from all the dads, they're like, yeah, the pregnancy doesn't really do anything. You hold the baby, you're like, oh.
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C
This is real, this is real, this is real. But yeah, man, I had the same thoughts. I was like, why were we talking about that the Bills were going to win this game? Like on our previous show, we were just like, oh yeah, the Bills will win. I'm like, what were we thinking? This Patriots team is really good. This is a statement for them too. Like they are just absolutely coming out and dominating the first half. And then of course, the Bills just chipped away. I always respect a team that when they, when they're down big, they just chip away at stuff and just kind of keep at it. Like that is always the sign to me of like a mature team. Thought Josh Allen did a really good job of that.
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A
Can I on one note on that, just the game management that I think was excellent by Buffalo and just the first 25 minutes of this game, the Bills had negative net passing yards. They had 10 forward yards and lost 12 on sacks. So they literally were net negative passing yards. But they dominated the middle eight because they went down and the Bills went and got a touchdown on both sides of halftime and the Patriots got a field goal. So they, they went up 14, three in the middle eight and then they got 28 second half points. So it was, they were very methodical with the clock and the drives, which I think variables pissed. But you're right, like the game management's.
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C
Great and it's just, I just feel like a lot of teams, it would be easy to kind of just throw up your hands and sort of mail it in the rest of the game when Trayvon Henderson's like ripping off 50 yard touchdowns and stuff. But yeah, obviously the Bills are a good veteran team with good leadership. So very, very impressed by them. What? And then obviously they still have a chance to win the division now. Like it's just, it's still Patriots in their favor, but I guess it's not over yet.
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A
The Patriots would have clinched the division if they won today. And in theory the Bills could still win. But the problem is that the Patriots schedule is so freaking easy because the Patriots final three games, it's unbelievable to look at it. They play the Ravens, but then it's like Jets, Dolphins. So if the Patriots lose to the Ravens next week, it's like more possible. But if the Patriots beat the Ravens next week, it's pretty difficult, difficult. So we'll see. But the Bills could win out and still win the division. I, I do want to just say a couple things from this game that are unbelievable to me. One, just the fantasy aspect. Drake May, they had 20 fantasy points at halftime. He had two rushing touchdowns. The play down when, well, Travion Henderson had the big run and Drake May was the lead blocker on the play. Like that was pretty sick. And when the Patriots seemed like they were going to win, that was, I thought that was like one of the more defining moments of the whole PAT season was Drake May block like the lead blocker on like a second effort play. But just was also a huge week for Travian Henderson, the number three running back on the week. James Cook was number one and then Henderson's three. He had 29 points. Travian Henderson, 160 yards from scrimmage, two touchdowns. And this one blew my mind after months of us just bitching that he wasn't playing. Trayvon Henderson had four different runs this year of 50 yards, like four different 50 yard touchdown runs which tied the rookie record for the most 50 yard rushing touchdowns ever in a rookie season. And there's three weeks left, which is.
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C
Pretty incredible Saquon Barkley stuff.
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A
Yes, but Saquon played the whole time which, and also like the New England keeps dropping offensive linemen every week, you know what I mean? So I don't know. I, I, I'm pretty impressed. The Patriots snacked, snapped a 10 game streak where they had scored 23 points and held their opponents under 23 points for 10 games in a row which had never happened before in NFL history. So I don't know what does it.
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C
What does this do for your thoughts on the Patriots? Because I think we all kind of believe in Josh Allen and generally the Bills. I don't know if the Bills are that scary, but I definitely believe like Josh Allen can go Superman at any given point. How, how does this make you feel about the Patriots in terms of how real they are?
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B
I don't think any less of them because of this game. Certainly I think to me this continue to show, continues to show Me that they belong in this conversation and that like. Like, this is a team that can win the Super Bowl. It's. Honestly, they're kind of like the Bills. Like, they're just like this. This Drake May, who kind of has, like, middling talent around him, a solid defense, and his, like, it's all just on him physically, like, willing this team down the field every single drive. It's funny. It's. I feel like I am watching the young Bills when I. The young Josh Allen Bills when I watch the Pats.
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The.
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C
Yeah, it's great.
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May Josh Allen rivalry is going to be awesome. It's going to be, I think, top tier for, like, the next few years. Just every time they play. I. The. It's funny because I also feel like the Bills could have gone up 21 nothing and then not been able to finish it out. You know what I mean? I would have been surprised if it been reversed, but I could. Josh Allen, when the Bills give up 185 rushing yards is 4 and 2 this season, which is preposterous. Like. Like, all the. Like, the. Josh has three wins or four wins this season when they give up 30 points.
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B
Funny that right now, if the playoff started today, the Pats would be playing the Bills in the. In the wild card round. It's good that the Bills won today. Cause now we'll get the rubber match.
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A
Ideally, that. That would be great. And also, Joe, honestly, I think if the Bills went out, Josh could still win mvp, which I was prisoner of the moment. I'm kind of watching this game. I'm like, this guy's probably the mvp.
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B
I still think it's going to. It's got to be Stafford.
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A
I just. I will not talk anyone out of voting for Stafford. I just. If I had a vote, I look at it, I'm like, Stafford has Sean McVeigh, Pukinakua, Devonte Adams. Like, like, it's. And I'm like, Allen has. I mean, I actually got more of the ick watching Brandon Cooks have meaningful snaps for the Bills today than I did watching Phil Rivers for the Colts. I'm like, how the. Are the Bills in the. The best setup they've ever had to win a Super bowl is this season. And Brandon Cooks is playing a very important game for them today. How is that possible?
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B
Yeah, Josh Palmer's not cutting it, unfortunately.
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A
Brandon Cooks was on the Ram six years ago. Like, and he would never touch. You think Sean McVeigh would let Matt Stafford anywhere around Brady Cook.
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B
Whatever, though. What you don't give Jordan the mvp because he's got Pippen. Like, I don't. That's not how you should think about it.
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A
Well, yeah, but that, I mean, when they were winning 72 games. No one's winning 15 games this season. You know what I mean? I just, I think basically. But I think the way we think MVP is, I mean, the rams come.
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B
In 14 games, but.
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A
Yeah, I know. I just think sometimes, I guess think I'm more open to like sometimes people should get credit for dragging kind of shitty operations forward.
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B
I agree with that. But I think, I don't know. Stafford is having an all time season and just because he has good receivers and a good play color to me.
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A
And I'm not saying that that's. I am not saying that. I'm not trying to besmirch his name. I'm saying I think I slightly lean to. He's like the second, or dare I say maybe the third best player this year. That's my issue with mvp is people are like, you don't like them? Fuck you.
- [50:37]
B
And I'm like, they're just different conversations. Who's the best player versus who's the mvp? Are weirdly different conversations. Yeah, I think Josh Allen's better, but like I think Matt Stafford's mvp, the.
- [50:49]
A
I am Become Death Oppenheimer Award. We might have to rename this Kyle Pitts. Do you think there's a chance anyone showed Kyle Pitts everything I've said about him the last three weeks?
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B
No.
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A
Oh, okay. Well, Kyle, so the Falcons won on Thursday. Football 29, 28. Kyle Pitts 11 catches, 166 yards, three touchdowns, including the game winning touchdown. So not only is Kyle Pitts like the resounding, I mean, Kyle Pitts in A had 40 fantasy points in half PPR, 45 and a half in full.
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C
Playoff matchups were over like third halfway through Thursday.
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A
Anyone who played Cow Pitts. Yeah, yeah, you were just. If you played against, you were fucked. Hayden Winks had a Great stat that 7% of Kyle Pitts's career fantasy stats just came on Thursday.
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C
Oh no.
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A
Danny Heifetz had a great stat that no one cared about as much. Which is 21% of his career touchdowns were in that game.
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C
Oh yeah. Cause he's. Yeah, he's just never scoring touchdowns.
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A
A fifth of all of Kyle Pitts's touchdowns were just on Thursday.
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B
Do you guys know that right now Kyle Pitts is only three months older than Travis Kelsey when he caught his first NFL pass?
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A
Dude, generational prospects are back, man. Between Trevor Lawrence and Kyle Pitts. Like, this is why you don't give up on people.
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B
There's been an entire book written on Kyle Pitts, and yet he is the same age as when Travis Kelce got his first NFL pass. There's been an entire, like, life cycle of Kyle Pitts.
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A
This is why.
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C
It's like. It's almost like the Patrick Mahomes thing. Like the. The. The first era of Kyle Pitts is over. This is the new era.
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B
This is the dawning of the second era.
- [52:20]
A
Craig watches Lord of the Rings. In two weeks, it's gonna be like the dawn of bed is over.
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B
The.
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A
We got an email from Peter the White. Yeah, we have to eat. We have to. An email from Peter.
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C
Pete, Petey.
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A
Peter writes, we have a new category. Two tight ends who have never outscored Kyle Pitts's 45 PPR points and a lie.
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C
Ooh, 45. So it's.
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A
These are three players. Sorry, two players who have never had 45 and a half.
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B
Dude. 45 points.
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C
All time performance.
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A
Like a full point performance.
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B
You know what this teaches you? Every time there's a Bucks Falcons game start, everybody involved. Those games are always nuts.
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A
There you go. It's true.
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C
I've been telling you. He does look different. I don't think this is that fluky.
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A
What? Cause he's in the end zone?
- [53:10]
C
No, he just looks faster to me. He looks more explosive.
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B
What we're learning is when we do our memento tattoos, soon, it is that it's not the year after, the year after. It's the year after. The year after. The year after. The year after is when you start to feel good. And that's where Kyle Pitts is right now.
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A
Now what do we do with our momento tattoo that says kyle Pitts murdered my family?
- [53:30]
C
I legit don't know what to do with Kyle Pitts. Next.
- [53:32]
A
He's gonna. He's gonna sign with the Chiefs.
- [53:35]
C
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be all in on him.
- [53:37]
B
What's he, a free agent? What's the opposite of fart or shark? That's the category we need for next year. Because that's what this is. This is like, what are we calling it? Come or slum? I don't know.
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A
I. Well.
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B
Come or bum? I don't know.
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C
Okay, keep working. Keep workshopping that.
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B
Okay, we're bum yuck or yum? I don't know. But there's. What do you have?
- [54:06]
C
So you're trying to. You're trying to say. Is this for real?
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B
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
The Funniest thing you've ever said to me, Craig, was you were like, sometimes a bad cum is. Is worse than a good pee.
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B
Yeah, for sure.
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A
Like a good piss can be better than a bad.
- [54:19]
B
Don't dox me. Like, did I say that on the pod or is that private?
- [54:22]
A
No, it's a private. That's what I'm saying. We can cut this if you want. We could bleep it. But I'm just saying if you want a category, like that could be the category and then people have to guess the funniest thing you've ever said.
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B
It's bad or good pee.
- [54:34]
C
Right?
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A
Good piss. I don't know which is which.
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B
I don't know which is which either.
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A
That's the point.
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B
I don't even think it applies to this situation. But I like, I'm happy you brought it up.
- [54:46]
A
Do we cut this or do we bleep it and let people guess what the funniest thing you've ever said is?
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B
No, no, we can keep it if. If people are an hour into the Week 15 recap, they deserve it.
- [54:57]
C
It's like actually just like a 6 out of 10 on what Craig has said before. I feel like.
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B
I think it's just like the phrasing of it sounds good.
- [55:08]
C
A bad come.
- [55:09]
B
Sometimes a great piss is better than a bad come. It's just.
- [55:13]
A
That's just.
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C
Oh my God.
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B
That's real.
- [55:16]
C
The concept.
- [55:17]
B
That's real life. That's addressed the truth. That's real.
- [55:23]
C
Oh my God.
- [55:25]
B
Anyway, co Pitts cop is going to.
- [55:28]
A
Make 40 million more dollars now because of this game.
- [55:30]
B
You think he's going to be on the Falcons next year?
- [55:35]
C
Franchise tag for a tight end is not very much.
- [55:38]
A
That's a good point.
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C
He's probably going to be on the Falcons.
- [55:40]
A
So.
- [55:40]
B
Yeah, they could shackle him for one more year because they picked. This is his fifth year, correct? They picked it up.
- [55:45]
A
Yeah. So I think is right because the tag is probably. I could look it up. It's probably like 18 million.
- [55:51]
B
Oh, is it?
- [55:51]
A
Okay, here, I'll look.
- [55:52]
C
Look it up. I think it's cheap because he's a.
- [55:55]
A
Receiver and like if he. He would make more.
- [55:57]
C
What's Kurt Cousins situation? Is he under contract for next year?
- [56:01]
A
Yes. So the. Oh. Oh my God.
- [56:03]
B
He's 13 point.
- [56:04]
C
13 point last. They will definitely franchise tag.
- [56:06]
A
So the tag is gonna next year for tight end is gonna be a little under 16 million. He's definitely gonna get tagged because tutu Atwell got 10 million. I mean who is the guy in the The Jag signed DMI Brown, got $10 million.
- [56:18]
C
10 million. When you drop in the bucket when you're a good receiver.
- [56:21]
A
So yeah, Kyle Pitts will get tagged for 16 million. And the Kirk Cousins, I think will be on the Falcons because Pennock's got knee reconstruction. So, I mean, Kirk wants to start. Like they're going to get rid of Kirk. Kirk's not going to want to leave. I think Kirk.
- [56:32]
C
My hot take is they need to keep Kirk and Pitts together forever.
- [56:36]
B
The new home, Kelsey.
- [56:38]
A
Yeah, but then Drake London's going to come back and you're going to, I.
- [56:41]
C
Don'T know, trade Drake.
- [56:42]
A
Let's be honest. We know what's going to happen. Trade Drake London.
- [56:46]
C
I'm just kidding.
- [56:46]
B
Build the ship out of Kirk and Kyle. What could go wrong?
- [56:52]
A
I'll tell you what's going to go wrong. I added Kyle Boots back in the ringer league because I cut him out of spite and I was emotional about it. And I added him back because I was like, I should be an adult about this. And I played him in my lineup this week even though I had a first round by and I was like, I'm adding Kyle Pittsback, but I'm not going to play him. Guess what? I'm going to play Kyle Pitts next week.
- [57:12]
B
He's going to kill you.
- [57:13]
A
He's going to have no points. I'm going to lose. Yeah, correct. But what am I going to do? Bench? We have to rank him. He's a top two. We have to rank him second or third next week. What are we going to. What are we going to do?
- [57:21]
B
Dude, Today in general was pretty nuts for tight ends that you probably didn't start. Outside of Trey Mc. Trey McBride had 31 points. Trey McBride every week has like 25 points and nobody discusses it. He's been the best fantasy player this year that nobody's talking about.
- [57:34]
C
And McBride together forever.
- [57:37]
B
Build a ship. And Trey. Yeah, dude. Kyle Pitts 40 half PPR points. Trey McBride 30. He had 134 yards and two touchdowns. Colby Parkinson, 22 fantasy points, two touchdowns. He's the tight end. Four since week 10.
- [57:52]
C
He has six touchdowns over the last six weeks.
- [57:54]
A
Every single touchdown from him. There's only two kinds. They all look exactly alike. They're just Stafford, like, does a fake left and rolls right and Colby Porkinson just leaks to the right. And then the defensive lineman's like, oh, shit. Shit, shit, shit. And Colby Parkinson's wide the fuck open.
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B
Can I just sneak in now and do my. The ref that pissed me off this week. Colby Parkinson's touchdowns was one of the more egregious touchdown calls I've ever seen in my life. Like that I was like, down. It was weird. Like, I don't think I've. That is one of the worst calls I've seen. I feel like we say this every week, but that is one of the worst calls I've seen all year.
- [58:25]
C
So to give if in case you missed it, basically he caught the ball at like the three yard line. It was a deep.
- [58:31]
B
It was like a 40 yard catch.
- [58:32]
C
Yeah, he fell down. He basically hit the ground at the 1. Clearly what I think happened, what I think they decided happened, was that he bobbled the football or something like that. He didn't get full control of it until he was in the end zone because he was clearly down and touched right at the one, but the ball didn't hit the ground and he was kind of like bobbling it a little bit.
- [58:53]
A
That's. I.
- [58:53]
C
That's what I think they called. But it was like the. Whoever the referee on the broadcast, of.
- [58:59]
B
Course disagree was like, I'm speechless. I don't know how they called that a touchdown because you couldn't really see if the ball ever hit the ground. But they rule that he catches the ball, but then on the way down, starts to bobble the ball so that when he's touched and his knee is down at the one, he's not. It's not a catch yet he is still bobbling it. As he then hits the ground, slides into the end zone. That's when he then secures the ball and it's now a catch.
- [59:23]
C
This was one of those situations where they called it a touchdown on the field and they were like, this is too hard. Let's just keep the call.
- [59:29]
B
Like his two hands firmly catch the ball. It wasn't a bobble the whole time. It went from catch to bobble, back to catch. It's. It's bad.
- [59:37]
C
Every week there's a new case study and like the NFL did not see this coming. Some situation where they're like, oh God, this again. We'd have a whole whole new, very unique situation we'll never see again Happens every single week.
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B
If he was juggling the ball the whole time, I get it, he. His hands are on the ball, he catches it firmly, and then on the way down, as he's getting hit, it starts to loosen a little bit. And then I guess they continue that into the end zone and then he re He. He re.
- [60:02]
C
Secures it before they called it a touchdown. The re. The. The broadcast ref was like, the real question here is, was this a catch?
- [60:10]
B
Right.
- [60:10]
C
And they decided it was not only a catch, it was a touchdown.
- [60:13]
B
Yeah, we'll just give him the extra yard. Why not?
- [60:16]
C
Oh, I love it. Love the NFL sometimes.
- [60:19]
A
The other really bad one was the Bills Patriots game. Had the defensive pass interference. That was that they were like, you know what? We think the Bills caught it actually, which was really strange. Bizarre.
- [60:30]
B
That was super.
- [60:30]
A
That was, that was. That was one of those.
- [60:33]
C
They called DPI on the guy. Even though he looked back and caught it.
- [60:37]
A
It's getting mauled.
- [60:39]
C
And then they gave it to the other team and called a penalty.
- [60:42]
A
How many times he'd be like, he's making a play of the ball. And you're like, well, he made a play on the ball.
- [60:46]
C
He looked back and caught it. And then they called DPI on him and said the other guy caught it.
- [60:52]
A
You know, it was bad because it's the first time I felt bad for Patriots fans and the referees in like decades. Like it was. It's like, oh, that was pretty tough. Any other Oppenheimers for you guys?
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B
Travion was mine.
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C
Oh yeah, he was great. Everything he does shot out of a cannon.
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B
Everything he does is something that Ramandre Stevenson can't do at all.
- [61:14]
C
Right. But also Travion can't be like a high volume runner.
- [61:18]
A
Right.
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C
Like, wouldn't you agree with that? I don't think he could be like a 25 touch guy.
- [61:22]
A
I think he could. I. I feel like they're different people, but I feel like we said a little bit about that. Like with Jameer Gibbs.
- [61:32]
C
That's fair. That's fair.
- [61:35]
A
The build is different.
- [61:36]
C
Yeah, I don't know. I. I just think like having specific roles for Ramandre. I'm not, I don't even like Ramandre. I don't think he's like anything special. But like having a specific early down grinder and slasher type is actually good. Good for the Patriots.
- [61:51]
B
Grinder, slasher, fumbler type.
- [61:53]
A
Right? Yeah. You need someone to get the goal line touches that they might fumble because they leave the league in fumbles over a multi year period.
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C
Trayvon's got the juice though. That's for sure. We got to talk about the. The Jags, dude.
- [62:06]
B
I know we're an hour in. We haven't talked about the fans. They might be for real exploit. Okay. They played the Jets.
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C
They might be for real more than just today. It's more than just today. They're 6 and 1 in their last seven games. And Trevor Lawrence has cleaned up a lot of the issues that were really just driving us insane for most of his career, or at least he has recently. So Trevor Lawrence today had six touchdowns. He actually did. I saw this. I saw this on Twitter. I didn't actually confirm this is a real thing, but. Oh, he's the first quarterback ever.
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A
Cool.
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C
Well, it was from like a. Like a real account, so I assume it's real. For the first quarterback ever with 300 plus pass yards, five plus pass touchdowns, and 50 rush yards and a touchdown in the same game. So six. He had six touchdowns in this game.
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A
I also had that in my notes. And then I was like, you know, I bet Craig's gonna make fun of that stat.
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C
Cause it's a very specific thing.
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A
Yeah, it's very specific. I was like, craig's gonna make fun of me if I say this.
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C
Which happens every single week. The first quarterback ever to have had.
- [63:05]
A
Five passing touchdowns when his 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
- [63:10]
C
Whatever. The point is he had six fucking touchdowns. He was really good. 44 fantasy points. Just absolutely bananas performance.
- [63:18]
A
No one else had 30 at quarterback. And Trevor Lew said 44 fantasy points. If you had Lawrence and Pitts, if you just were a big fan of the, you know, the 2021 draft and you never gave up. You. You had a very good day.
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B
I honestly, it. It was probably a big day for the wild card spot in fantasy playoffs because a lot. I bet you a lot of these wild card teams are starting guys like Kyle Pitts and Trevor Lawrence. So good for you. He probably kicked the shit out of the two seed.
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A
Yeah.
- [63:46]
C
Brutal day for them. You also probably had Travis etn.
- [63:49]
B
Yeah.
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C
Who had a real low day on the ground. 12 rushes for 32 yards, but he caught three passes, 73 yards and three touchdowns. He had 30. 30 points and a half PPR. Only running back who scored more was James Cook. The story of this game, really. And the jets are terrible. We know that, but it was. It was Liam Cohen. Do it. You know the microscope meme on Twitter where it's like either Shanahan or whoever like looks in the microscope and it's this one specific player. It was like Liam Cohen. Just looking at the jets linebackers, the. The Jags running back scored four touchdowns in the passing game today. They've just absolutely annihilating these linebackers in the passing game. So I think, you know, I said they might be for real. What I do think is this relationship is working with Trevor Lawrence, Liam Cohen, the offense that they have here? I think Liam Cohen is proving to me that he wasn't just like a flash in the pan with the Buccaneers. Like, this is a real scheme that really works. And I think early on in the season they were just really messy and it just took them a long time to kind of get it all installed and get the hang of it. But now we're starting to see what this real offense can do.
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B
I think it's been a really good year for first year play callers. Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson, you have Clinton, Clint Kubak in Seattle, even like Schottenheimer in Dallas. Like, there have been a lot of offenses that have either immediately clicked or have taken, you know, a few months to get going. And now they are kind of what we thought they were going to be. At least a little bit.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I mean, I was watching this game honestly, and I was thinking how the Bucks or sorry, the Jags wanted to hire Liam Cohen. And he was like, will you fire your gm? And they're like, okay. And they did. And I was thinking about how the Giants kept Brian D. In a hiring cycle that had Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson and Mike Von. And I was like, oh, that. And then I realized, you know what? None of them would have came to the Giants because the smart guys waited for good situations. Ben Johnson went to Caleb and Liam Cohen went to Trevor Lawrence and Mike Fribble went to Drake. Man, I was like, oh, the smart guys went to good situations. But this is why you don't give up on players and Trevor Lawrence. I, I, I think two of the best, I think the last two or three games have probably been the best two or three games of Trevor Lawrence's entire career. Travis ETN literally said that after the game. Travis Ctn said, I won a national championship with Trevor at Clemson and I've never seen him play like this. He's been unbelievable. And frankly, I don't want to be a little reductive, but it's a bit, Trevor Lawrence has the fuck you attitude and I think that's what was missing. I think that with Doug Peterson, I think that Trevor's or Trevor Lawrence had a, a little bit of a reluctance to just be at some point get become that more developed older quarterback and say, I don't want to do this, I want to do this and have take an active role in designing the offense instead of just, you know, when you're younger and you're a younger quarterback and you're Learning you're like a good soldier. Like, we're going to run this. And at some point you get to that point in your, your physical prime where you're like, I want to do these concepts because I think this is going to work and this is what it's going to be comfortable with. And then combine that with what Liam Cohen was saying, which is like, he needs to go out and just play. Stop worrying about consequences. Just rip it. And it's like DK joke about Baker was like, just go out there, rip it. And like that is what Trevor's doing. And ripping passes. Ripping passes. That's what Trevor's doing. He's ripping passes. I want to shout out Derek Classen at the athletic football show with Maze. And Derek is amazing. And Derek nailed this. And I'd forgotten this, but Trevor Lawrence at Clemson was so good at rolling to his left and throwing, which is like such a barometer of physical talent. If you like. Jalen Hurts could never. But it's like Trevor Lawrence is so weirdly good.
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C
Jalen Hurts is like, what the fuck?
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A
Yeah, the people go number one, Chilled Hertz. Like what Caleb Williams. Trevor Lawrence, like these freaks who go number one can just run to the wrong side, flip around. And Trevor Lawrence had a throw today to Parker Washington where he just ran backwards basically like he was Shador Sanders. Like what Shador thinks he is in his mind. The jets split seven people on a third and six. Trevor Lawrence just ran backwards to his left, turned around and threw the pass, went 50 yards.
- [67:40]
C
It was Tony Romo, like a Tony Romo play where he spun out of it and then just chucked it to a spot and Parker Washington ran under it. It was incredible.
- [67:49]
A
He ran backward to the 30 and threw it to the other 20, sprinting backwards to the, to his offside. And I, I just. You haven't seen that a minute until the last month or so. And it's funny because with Trevor Lawrence a couple weeks ago, went up to the press conference and said the most self aware thing all year, which is I don't think anyone will respect us because we're the Jags. But you know what? We don't care. I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what it is. But I'm like, he's. I, I couldn't be more impressed than. And I know it's the jets, but also 48. It was 48 to 10 in the like the beginning of the fourth quarter. Like they could have scored 60 if they wanted. Which. What else are you supposed to do.
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B
Against the bad team, he's in flow state. Sometimes you need that. Sometimes that's a real thing. It's like March Madness. Teams getting going and Flacco in the playoffs when they win the Super Bowl. Sometimes you just need a couple good games in a row. You build your confidence and then all the physical tools that you have can actually start to kick in and it becomes natural.
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A
The AFC south, as much as we make fun of it, is like so much better than what we thought the AFC north was going to be. The AFC north is cool because you have Lamar and Burrow, the Steelers, Rogers. The Browns are like the weird derpy dragon in the meme.
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B
But thank you for saying Rogers is cool. Thank you.
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A
Yeah, well. Well, I mean, just throwing you a bone. I mean, now that Stroud is there with like the best defense or like an elite defense and you know, Lawrence playing like this, like, it's. It's actually pretty interesting. You got. Liam Cohen wouldn't have came to the Giants if they fired Dable, right? He wouldn't have came. I don't have to worry about this.
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B
No.
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A
Okay. Thanks.
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B
Cool.
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A
I feel better actually knowing that Any other. Any other Oppenheimers.
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C
I want to shout out the Bears run game. Just quickly. The Bears boat race. The Browns 31 to 3. Another team that's like they're playing a bad team. It doesn't necessarily mean that much that they beat the Browns, but this is what you're supposed to do to bad teams. They absolutely freaking dominated them in an 8 degree Chicago day. Like, I mean, the ma. I imagine every time you get hit, it just hurts like hell. It's freaking cold. And the Bears rushed for 142 yards and two touchdowns on 33 runs. I just think the Bears run game is really cool. I think DeAndre Swift actually looks really good lately. He's been making some pretty incredible plays. Maybe it's. Maybe it's partly due to the scheme is just like perfect for what he does. But they're another team that just. They have the foundation for. They can run the ball, they take the ball away on defense, and they have a quarterback that can kind of make some plays when the chips are all down like court. Like, Caleb Williams has been kind of like Bo Nix this year where he's like really good in the fourth quarter when they really need a bucket, he can go out and get it. He's not necessarily been the cleanest quarterback all season, but, you know, he's been. He's been good enough. And they're 10. They have 10 wins this year after what they did last year, after the freaking.
- [70:27]
A
They lost 10 season.
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C
After the off season they had. I mean, this is pretty incredible what the Bears are doing. I know that people don't necessarily believe in them, really, but Ben Johnson is legit. This is a real. They. They're going to go to the playoffs, and I think they. They're the type of team that could win a game in the playoffs at least.
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B
I very much believe in Ben Johnson and Caleb. And even if it doesn't happen this year, long term, I am buying stock for sure.
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A
The Bears secondary, every individual player in there is cool. And again, big week for number one quarterbacks in the draft that we've tagged as generational with early struggles that then absolutely rocked a really, really horrible team.
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C
I mean, his throw to DJ Moore was. I don't even know how. I don't know if he meant to do that, but it was freaking incredible.
- [71:07]
A
That was the longest I've ever seen a pass that worked. I. I didn't think the pass would work for 99%.
- [71:14]
C
Right. Right. Like, only when he, like, emerged from the crowd. It was crazy.
- [71:19]
A
I. The whole time, I was like, that was stupid.
- [71:22]
C
The other thing that I thought that was really funny about this game is there's fucking pigeons on the field in that Soldier Field.
- [71:28]
A
I can't talk about the Browns that way.
- [71:29]
C
Almost the whole game, it was like they. They kept, like, getting scattered about like you're in St. Mark's Square in Venice or something. Like, it was like, there's pigeons everywhere, and they were just, like, eating the seeds or something. I don't know what was going on. Never seen that.
- [71:43]
B
Those city birds are built different, man.
- [71:45]
C
They really are.
- [71:46]
A
They're scared. You can't scare them away.
- [71:49]
C
It's like when you, like, when you're driving down the road and a crow is, like, eating some dead animal on the. On the road, and you're like, get, like. You have to, like, pull up and lay on the horn for them to leave. They're like, go around.
- [71:59]
A
Why are you honking at horns? Eating. Why are you honking a crow?
- [72:02]
C
We just run over a crow. Like, nothing. I'm not gonna just, like, run it over.
- [72:06]
B
Does it make you feel any differently knowing that they would run over you immediately if they could?
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A
Well, I understand.
- [72:11]
C
It makes me feel superior.
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B
You okay?
- [72:13]
A
You. They just fly away.
- [72:15]
B
He's saying they don't.
- [72:16]
C
No, I'm saying sometimes in the middle.
- [72:18]
A
Of the road, you don't think they fly away.
- [72:19]
B
Well, he says when they're eating a something else. When they're eating, they won't fly.
- [72:23]
C
I've had to, like, slow down dramatically sometimes because I'm like, get the out of the way.
- [72:27]
A
Have you ever thought you're training the crows to just alpha you?
- [72:31]
C
Okay, Never mind. If it's. Is just gonna. That's just gonna squish him. He's these. New York.
- [72:39]
B
The New York guy, dude, the pigeons in New York. You can make contact with a pigeon in New York. It won't fly away, dude.
- [72:44]
A
Yeah, you can't.
- [72:45]
C
I'm walking.
- [72:46]
B
You know, like, you could, like, kind of touch it with your shoe. Like sitting outside at a restaurant. It kind of won't move.
- [72:51]
A
Move. No.
- [72:52]
C
Yeah, you have to. You don't have to kick it, per se. Do you know that kind of guide.
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A
It away with your paragrine falcons, which they reach, like, the fastest animals in the world because they fly it. They just dive bomb. They're more successful hunting in Manhattan than they are in the wild because there's so many pigeons. So they just dive bomb with.
- [73:10]
C
Eat the pigeons.
- [73:11]
A
They just skyscraper dive bomb vertically, and they just eat pigeons on, like, the 40th floor. All the skyscrapers, where they think, oh.
- [73:18]
B
They dive bomb to the skyscrapers and grab the birds that are sitting on top of the skyscrapers.
- [73:23]
A
Yeah, they, like, use skyscrapers as covers because the pigeons aren't used to any, like, animals being able to get them, like, 30 or 40 floors up. And the falcons just crush the pigeons.
- [73:31]
C
This is like, what happened with the bears today. The bears were just trampling all over these poor pigeons.
- [73:36]
A
Well, I mean, they. Yeah, now they know to get out of the way.
- [73:39]
C
Yeah.
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A
I wouldn't run over a crow. I just feel like they fly away when the cars come. They don't.
- [73:44]
C
I'm not saying they don't. All they. Sometimes they do.
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A
Crows are smart. Yeah.
- [73:49]
C
I don't want to be on the wrong side of a crow. They recognize you. They remember you.
- [73:52]
A
I saw this. This Instagram reel of a guy who's training crows to give them money and bring money back. And also Craig, like, a crow guy saved a crow. Like, he pulled it out, and the guy and the crow flew back with, like, a bunch of. For him, got him a lighter, and the guy used the lighter and liked it. So the crow kept bringing him lighters. I was like, thank you.
- [74:08]
C
That's what I'm talking about. Not trying to run over any crows.
- [74:11]
A
It's so over. We're so back. I mean, generational prospects certainly back between Trevor Lawrence and Kyle Pitts, you know, pretty. Pretty big generational prospects are back. I also think defensive laterals are back.
- [74:21]
C
Ooh, that was a good play. It was not even a lateral. It was a handoff.
- [74:24]
A
I went 15. I went 20 years wondering why Ed. Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were the only people who could do the coolest thing ever, which was getting a turnover and fucking pitching, running the option down the field.
- [74:35]
B
Can I just say, the Van Noy one was awesome. I think the Giants one was cooler and more impressive and more coordinated and organized there.
- [74:43]
C
Multiple.
- [74:44]
B
One was a lateral thing. One was a handoff. That was so well done. That was amazing.
- [74:48]
A
It was cool.
- [74:48]
C
And then I don't think I missed this play. What happened it.
- [74:51]
A
I don't know if any of it ended up counting because I think they said that Abdul Carter was. Abdul Carter forced a couple fumbles, but they did. Abdul Carter and I think Javon Holland orchestrated. It was very, like, they kind of did like an old school. Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, like, you know, circus act where they just ran the ball back like 50 yards by, like, tossing it back.
- [75:11]
C
It was like the Harlem Globe Globetrotters or whatever.
- [75:13]
A
Yeah. Whereas the Van Noy one was the kind of like, I'm too old for this.
- [75:17]
B
Like, yeah. He's like, you just. You take it.
- [75:19]
A
You do it. It's like telling me to try to get a coffee, but that team should do this more. I don't know why they don't. I don't know why they stopped. So it's back.
- [75:27]
C
I agree.
- [75:28]
B
It's like the hook and ladder, which is like a little bit kind of a thing. Again, we need to bring back the handoff and the lateral.
- [75:33]
A
I think it'll be back now because it looked cool this week. Teams are going to see it any other. What is. What else? So back.
- [75:39]
B
Craig a mini. We're so back. Brian Thomas a little bit. Two good games in a row. Once again, much like Trevor Lawrence.
- [75:47]
C
Yeah.
- [75:48]
B
It's like Kevin Nealon in Happy Gilmore flow state. Find it, harness it. Block out good, bring in, block out bad, bring in good. Like, he. He is kind of like. It feels like he has a little more confidence in his hands when he caught the touchdown. I always like to look at what receivers do after they catch the pass or catch the touchdown. And like, like the anger that, like, he let out. I. I liked that. Showed me that he wanted it. You know what I mean?
- [76:09]
C
Yeah. He cares.
- [76:10]
B
He cares. I think I'm going to be in on Brian Thomas next year. I think he's going to be a tremendous buy.
- [76:14]
A
I think that Liam Cohen tried using Brian Thomas almost like, for lack of a better example, like Chris Godwin, because Liam Cohen came from Tampa and that wasn't right. And they got Jacoby Myers, and Jacoby's more of the Chris Godwin guy. And Brian Thomas is closer to the Mike Evans.
- [76:29]
B
Yeah, just send him D deep.
- [76:30]
A
Send him deep, man.
- [76:32]
C
Send him home, Dingers. Send him home.
- [76:34]
A
Send him home. Send him home.
- [76:36]
B
His bags are packed.
- [76:38]
C
He's got his airline ticket.
- [76:39]
A
Tiki. Who else is back?
- [76:42]
C
Just want to shout out the Saints, who aren't that bad. They're not the worst team in the NFL.
- [76:48]
B
Wait, so are they back? What do you mean, not so bad?
- [76:52]
C
They're not back back, but they're not that bad is what I'm saying.
- [76:56]
B
They're.
- [76:57]
C
We're so back because remember how in the off season I was like, all about the Saints and you. Because I was just trying to push my. We're so back. We're so back that the Saints aren't that bad, if that makes any sense to you.
- [77:09]
B
I think, I think Tyler Schuck leads the league in me thinking, there's no fucking way they're going to get this first down. And they do.
- [77:15]
C
And then he does. He's actually pretty fast. Yeah, he's, he kind of scrambles around a lot.
- [77:20]
B
He's not that bad. I, I, I kind of felt this way, like, last year about Spencer Rattler. I was like, maybe Spencer Rattler's not that bad. And he ended up being terrible.
- [77:27]
A
I think Tyler Schuck is by far the fastest quarterback I've ever seen who used, like, three medical red shirts in college, you know? Right.
- [77:36]
C
He set a new record this week for the fastest guy that had four medical red shirts in, in college. Do you guys, did you guys ever watch Beer Fest?
- [77:43]
B
Yeah.
- [77:44]
C
You know the scene where they're like, and guess what? We're not that drunk. And then they just start sharing, we're not that drunk. We're not that drunk. That's kind of what I think of the Saints. They're not that bad. They've won four games this year.
- [77:59]
B
Yep.
- [77:59]
C
They just beat the Panthers, who beat the Rams. So by transitive property, they're better than the Rams. Sure. Is that the right, Is that the right term? Transitive property, Whatever. They have the Jets, Titans, and Falcons to finish out the year. They could win seven games.
- [78:18]
B
Guys, we can do this. Wait, hold on. Let's do this. So the Titans beat the Cardinals, who beat the Cowboys, who Beat the Eagles. How high can.
- [78:29]
A
Can we beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl? Like, by. I mean, they were up like 30 points.
- [78:33]
B
That was this year.
- [78:34]
A
It was this year.
- [78:35]
C
Right? This calendar year.
- [78:36]
B
So the Titans are maybe the best team.
- [78:38]
C
Super bowl team.
- [78:39]
A
Yeah.
- [78:39]
C
Yeah. The Panthers are having the weirdest season.
- [78:42]
B
Can we say it's so over for the Panthers. They lost the fucking Saints.
- [78:46]
C
Yeah.
- [78:46]
B
I mean, the Bucks are hand delivering the division to the Panthers and they can't take it. They won't.
- [78:52]
C
They're like, no, I. I'm good.
- [78:53]
B
They're like, I don't want.
- [78:54]
C
You take it. Yeah, you take it and run with it. I'm tired.
- [78:58]
A
If you just pull up the standings, it's like it's. You look at the AFC north and the NFC south, and it's like. Again, it's the derpy dragon in the meme where it's like. I mean, the. You know, The Patriots have 11 wins and the Steelers have seven. And then it's like the same in the NFC where it's like the Bucks and Panthers are just tied at 7 and 7, and the NFC west is. The Rams and Seahawks both have 11 wins, and one of these teams is going to play a road game in the fucking playoffs with like 12 or 13 wins as a wild card, and then the NFC South's gonna host a playoff game.
- [79:25]
B
The. I think the hardest decision of the off season is what do you do with Bryce Young? I think it's the hardest quarterback decision because I think, like, Kyler Murray, I think I. You don't want.
- [79:34]
A
Oh, they keep them, but. They keep them for a year. But like, dude. Because he's like $10 million.
- [79:39]
B
I know. Number one pick, but you're not. You're not doing anything with him.
- [79:43]
C
It's. Yeah, it's like a perfect situation because they know he's the answer.
- [79:46]
B
But like, yeah, you're just. You're just entering another season knowing that this is not the guy.
- [79:50]
A
I think that's okay, though, because I think that the Panthers can build an infrastructure that someone else could work there. So it's like if you have Ted McMillan, Jalen Coker is a good number two, and then you have a pretty good offensive line that isn't that old. Actually. If you end up replacing him, like, that's actually a pretty good environment for someone else to succeed. Like, it. You know, it's like. Actually they have a lot of young pieces there.
- [80:11]
C
Yeah, I know that patient is the thing.
- [80:17]
B
It's just like another. They're just going to go like, 7 and 10 next year. And it's like, okay.
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A
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C
It's kind of funky.
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B
Take it. It's time on this one.
- [81:37]
C
This is baby making music.
- [81:39]
B
This is a John Mayer album.
- [81:42]
C
Body is a wonderland. This is yacht rock. This is really good.
- [82:09]
B
This is. This is. This is a John Mayer album.
- [82:13]
C
I think this is Christopher Cross.
- [82:16]
B
Yeah.
- [82:23]
C
Wow.
- [82:23]
B
There's a whole. Just lean back and listen, everybody enjoy it. You know, I hope. I hope this is four minutes.
- [82:36]
C
Do you think this is AI.
- [82:42]
B
Kai? Just text us. There's another minute and a half.
- [82:45]
A
What is happening?
- [82:50]
B
No, no, no. Let the boy watch. This song's good. I don't know why my instincts are like, we're going to get sued, but we're not.
- [83:06]
A
We can't do this. We can.
- [83:08]
B
Yeah. Yeah, we can.
- [83:10]
A
Dude, it's the Family Guy joke. It's a cheeseburger.
- [83:16]
C
This is some incredible harmonies.
- [83:17]
A
This is pretty good.
- [83:22]
C
There's another minute and a half.
- [83:26]
B
Buckle up.
- [83:29]
C
Yeah.
- [83:31]
B
I think I want to make this the intro of the show. We should come out to this at live shows, man. This is a five. We should actually play. We're just. I love that we're doing this on while this music is just playing.
- [83:43]
C
There's a. There's a minute and a half interlude. Craig.
- [83:48]
A
That was amazing.
- [83:49]
B
This is only track one I want at our next live show. We should have only the farter. Sharts play as like the. The lead up music before we go on. Yeah, it's just every farter shark compiled into a playlist.
- [84:05]
A
And then all the poor wags who get dragged to there with their husbands are just going to be like, I'm leaving you.
- [84:12]
B
And they're like, no, no, wait. One of them's really good.
- [84:14]
A
One of them.
- [84:15]
B
One of them's like smooth jazz. Just hold on. It's coming. That was remarkable.
- [84:22]
A
That was.
- [84:22]
B
That was so good.
- [84:24]
C
I'm very curious if someone made that with AI or if they, like, actually recorded that whole thing.
- [84:30]
B
Whoever made that, email us and tell us how you made it.
- [84:32]
C
That was incredible.
- [84:33]
A
That was un. Unbelievable. Please contact us immediately.
- [84:36]
C
I want to listen to the lyrics because I feel like we were talking a lot. Dude, the lyrics were really good.
- [84:42]
B
There's like, a very decent chance that I'm just like, driving to the office tomorrow playing that.
- [84:46]
C
Hell yeah.
- [84:46]
A
I'm. I'm in a pretty good mood now.
- [84:49]
C
I feel good. I feel like I could have a beer.
- [84:51]
B
That really. That guy innovated. He was like, you know what? I'm. I'm gonna play some jams. We're not going gross with it.
- [84:56]
A
Yeah, that was. That was. That was visionary.
- [84:59]
C
There wasn't one fart noise in that whole song.
- [85:02]
A
That was incredible. Well done. All right. Well, I mean, now I feel kind of bad asking this, but. Dk, you know, it's. You know, now we're just relaxing. But I gotta. I gotta ask you a question, DK.
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C
Okay.
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A
Raiders lost to the Eagles today, 31 to nothing. Best game the Eagles played all year. So added to the list, I would argue that five different teams this year. I. You know, sorry, I. I. Six different teams this year had their single best game of the season versus the Raiders, which is pretty horrific. Like, six. A third of your schedule had the best game they played all year versus you. So, dk, Pete Carroll is this season a fart and you bring Pete Carroll back? Or is this season a shart and the Raiders fire Pete Carroll after this season? Season, his first season.
- [85:55]
B
Pete Carroll's the only coach in the NFL where the question fart or shark could be taken literally as well.
- [86:01]
A
Maybe this was not the only one stands like that on the sideline.
- [86:05]
C
I mean, I think this is a shart. I think, however, they don't have the money to change into new pants is their problem. They're like on like a boat cruise. Like a. Like a cocktail hour boat cruise. There's nowhere they can go. They've sharted and they're stuck on that damn boat. And what do they do now? Do you jump in the water to try and salvage something?
- [86:29]
B
What is the football equivalent to getting your head coach? Depends to where. What is that? Is that a great offensive coordinator? Is that bringing in a Kubiak?
- [86:40]
A
It might have to be selling 8% of your of your team to a private equity firm or the Saudi Arabian sovereign wealth fund so that you can get the money to just get a different coach.
- [86:52]
C
I mean, or they could just keep Pete Carroll. You could continue to be bad. What didn't. Did Austin send a tweet that was like the Raiders are the only team to be shut out twice in one season?
- [87:02]
A
Yes. I was going to read that next. The Raiders were shut out twice this season. 1. I think it was 31 nothing both times. But the Chiefs and the Raiders and the Chiefs and the Eagles. The last team to be shut out twice in the same season was the Browns in 2000, which was like an expansion team. That was an expansion team. The Browns were added back to the NFL in 1999 as a. So like that's an expansion team.
- [87:25]
C
So unequivocally a shark.
- [87:27]
A
Like that's what I'm saying. Like, and I, I know that sounds like dramatic but I would seriously argue the Colts, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Commanders, the Browns and honestly maybe the Cowboys, their best game all those teams played all year was versus the Raiders.
- [87:42]
C
They got to play the Texans defense next week.
- [87:44]
A
I'm just saying, like you're gonna keep this guy's the oldest coach in the NFL. You're gonna take the long view anyway.
- [87:51]
C
I'm just saying he's the oldest coach thing. Like he's just.
- [87:55]
A
They're bad. All right, but that's my point. So is there.
- [87:59]
C
Is it because he's old?
- [88:00]
A
It's not about because he's old. I'm saying if the oldest coach is because he's old. No, I'm not. Well, I'm not saying necessarily I don't think it's not unrelated. I'm saying if he has made you the least competitive team in the league in the presence. What's the long term argument for the oldest coach in the history of pro football? If the argument for the present.
- [88:22]
C
I understand what you're saying. I think my point is just more like Pete Carroll has an incredible amount of energy. I just, I don't understand why being old is the deal. Maybe he's just not a good coach anymore. Maybe the NFL has left him behind or whatever. But like he has enough energy I. I just. Maybe he did poop his pants though. I don't know. Maybe he does need. Depends.
- [88:42]
A
I have another farter shirt. Should we play the whole song again? Just do another four minutes.
- [88:46]
C
I would love to.
- [88:47]
B
I'm gonna be doing that.
- [88:49]
A
We'll do it at the end. I have the same question, but for Zach Taylor and the Bengals. The Bengals are shut out today again by the 24 to nothing by the Ravens, who they again.
- [88:58]
B
Were they also shut out this season twice?
- [88:59]
A
No, sorry. No, I. I just meant that was a wrong late at night. I meant another team was shut out.
- [89:05]
C
I couldn't believe they got shut out.
- [89:07]
A
I. I think it's actually more embarrassing to get shut out by a team you played two weeks ago.
- [89:12]
B
I believe I could be wrong. I think I saw a stat that they. The. The Bengals were inside the opponent. The. The Ravens 35 yard line four times and they. And left with zero points.
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A
Yes. And so maybe that's a fake shutout. But regardless, the Bengals were officially eliminated from playoff contention this year or so. Like, they're not going to make it. I know that that was kind of already long gone, but like, the reality is the Bengals made the super bowl four years ago, then the conference title again. The Bengals have now gone three years in a row without making the playoffs. Dk, is that right? They have not made the playoffs in three seasons. Fart or shark For Zach Taylor, the head coach of the Bengals. Do you think Zach Taylor should. Should they keep Zach Taylor for the entirety of Joe Burrow's career, the only coach Joe Burrow has ever had? Or do you think the Bengals should fire Zach Taylor this season?
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C
This is hard because Burrow was hurt for most of the season. So I feel like it's a little unfair, but yeah, it feels like a shark. Were you just saying that they didn't make the playoffs for the last three years? I'm like, wow, I didn't realize that. That's crazy. Like, I mean I knew. I knew that but still, that's just with Burrow at quarterback and Chase and.
- [90:16]
B
Higgins, it's pretty tough all these seasons where like they're underperforming. Burrow just gets hurt. Like, that's not Zach Taylor's fault.
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C
I feel like that's why I feel like it's.
- [90:26]
A
What does he bring? What does he bring? Like Joe, like Joe Burrow got hurt and like again, when Jordan Love got hurt, Malik Willis. Matt LaFleur went 2 and 1 with Malik Willis. Like, even the Texans built a system where Davis Mills could go Three. And, oh, I know that's mostly the defense, but I'm just saying, when the Bengals lost Joe Burrow, Jake Browning came in, and Jake Browning was, like, the worst quarterback. Was so bad they had to trade for a quarterback from a division rival. I, I, I just, I don't know. Is that. And he knew Zach Taylor's system for, like, three years. I, I don't know. It's. Every now and then you get a little peek and you're like, I don't understand.
- [91:02]
B
He's definitely one of the more established coaches in the league that has, like, no defining quality.
- [91:06]
A
He's, he's Matt Damon in Ocean's Eleven. When he goes in and he's like, just, I want you meet him. They like you. You. The moment you're out of their sight, they couldn't tell you one thing about.
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B
Think about your guests.
- [91:18]
A
Never think about ye again. Okay? Intrusive thoughts.
- [91:22]
B
Wait, wait, wait. I have a new game I want to play in Far dk. We're going to play a little game called Puke or Fluke, and I want to talk about Josh Allen throwing up on the sideline of today's game. And then his presser. You know Josh Allen famously, if you may or may not know this, Josh Allen throws up before or during every single game. Did you know?
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C
No, I didn't know that.
- [91:47]
A
He's done that since high school. Yeah.
- [91:48]
C
Yeah. Oh, wow.
- [91:51]
A
Literally every game.
- [91:52]
B
Yeah. How do you. Do you, do you like that? Is that kind of cool to you?
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C
No.
- [91:58]
B
Like, manly tough, or is that actually the opposite? Is a bit of a nick.
- [92:05]
C
I mean, it makes me a little bit worried about him, but his health can't be just his throat. Yeah.
- [92:11]
A
Heartburn.
- [92:12]
B
But you're not worried about that. You're not worried about Josh. Doesn't make me.
- [92:15]
C
That doesn't make me think he's, like, tougher or whatever.
- [92:20]
B
No. That's not a cool quality to you?
- [92:21]
C
No, no, no.
- [92:22]
A
I think it was funny when he was bad, and it's cool now that he's good.
- [92:27]
C
Do you think?
- [92:27]
B
I think it's pretty interesting. Like, I, like, Bill Hader, famously threw up before every snl, and I think it's very fascinating that people who get to the highest level still, like, Josh Allen is the MVP of the league, and he's still throwing up because there's, like, some biological urge. Is that, like, nerves manifesting themselves subconsciously and you are preparing yourself physically for the game by throwing up without even, you know, wanting to or needing to. That's just Your body's like, natural reaction. I just find that to be incredibly, like, weird, to be honest. Yeah.
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A
The short version is, yes, I think you're right. It's body over mind. And I think it's a mix of nerves and all that stuff. And I also think that all these guys have to have some kind of. It is a psychological transformation to go and play football. Like, they all kind of have to become someone else. And some guys like it's characters and movies. Ray Lewis was in his head would cosplay as Maximus Meridian, the gladiator from the movie Gladiator. Like, that's why he would do the whole thing. He made that up. Like, like I, I, I wrote a story about they all become the Joker or whatever or Batman. But, like, I think everyone has their own little thing. And sometimes he needs to literally just throw up. But I don't know, it's like everyone has their weird way to get ready and just do that. But you're right, it's weird. But I, I think that the answer is, it's not Josh Allen, the MVP's throwing up. It's Josh Allen, the ninth grade quarterback who got put on varsity for the first time. He's throwing up.
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C
Up.
- [93:56]
A
And then it just becomes a routine. And then suddenly, like, you just. These guys are such creatures of habit that they all do the exact same thing on game day. Like, every time.
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B
Yeah.
- [94:05]
A
And then it just suddenly, like, he can't play without throwing up.
- [94:08]
B
I was gonna say. Do you think it's gotten to the point where he needs to throw up to feel comfortable to play in the game?
- [94:13]
A
Yeah, he said that today, which, that part I'd never heard. He said if I don't get enough out before the game, it comes out in the fourth quarter. I didn't know that.
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B
Crazy.
- [94:20]
A
I just knew he threw it before every game. Game.
- [94:22]
C
It's got to come out one end. A lot of people, A lot of people when they're, when they're nervous.
- [94:27]
B
Well, dk, you throw up your quesadilla before every pod.
- [94:30]
A
Yeah, right.
- [94:30]
C
Before every pod.
- [94:31]
A
Just vomiting.
- [94:33]
C
I like how you were specific with what food I'm throwing up.
- [94:36]
B
It's the only food. I know you. I know for sure that you eat everything.
- [94:38]
C
You're right. I did. I ate one today.
- [94:41]
A
Remember the time DK was like, I think steak in a Kiss and tea would be weird. Yeah.
- [94:45]
B
It's like, no, not for that.
- [94:46]
C
I don't think it'd be weird. I just, I just prefer it without it.
- [94:49]
B
Well, you, like, kind of like, scoffed at. You're like, no, scoff steak and a quesadilla.
- [94:54]
C
No, I know that people do that. No, I don't think it's weird that people do that.
- [94:58]
A
I mean, I just would never do it yourself.
- [95:00]
C
I think it's worse with the steak in there.
- [95:02]
B
It is funny though, that, like, steak in a quesadilla, steak, cheese, tortilla, great. But if somebody's like, would you like some cheese on your steak? You'd be like, no. What about blue cheese on your steak? I mean, some people do that.
- [95:16]
A
Oh, the blue cheese crust.
- [95:17]
B
I will say, traditionally, someone's like, you want, you want melted cheddar cheese on your steak? You're like, no.
- [95:25]
A
Well, this is, this is my thing with lobster. I think lobster, just a diner crazy, which is like, lobster ends up being the most expensive thing on the menu. And they're like, yeah, yeah. So deshell it yourself and then dip it in liquid butter and it's great.
- [95:38]
B
Lobster's like the biggest scam in the history of food, in my opinion.
- [95:42]
A
Dip this. You're going to pay $60 to dip something in liquid butter so it tastes good.
- [95:46]
B
Good was a, well, it was a, it's a marketing ploy. Lobster used to be like peasant food. And then they, like changed the marketing around it. It was like MJ and Scotty Pippen. And then they were like, we're going to tell you, this is for, you know, this is a high class meal and we're going to start charging $40 a pound.
- [96:01]
C
That's what I'm trying to do with quesadillas, Craig.
- [96:04]
B
Yeah, but no steak cheese.
- [96:06]
C
Yeah. The less the better. Less is more.
- [96:08]
A
I, I, I, I worry. I think we've had this exact exchange in this exact order.
- [96:12]
C
Oh, easily.
- [96:13]
A
Yeah.
- [96:13]
C
That happens a lot.
- [96:14]
B
Crab is better than lobster.
- [96:16]
A
Crab is harder, though. Crab is a mess to. If you actually got to do the shell yourself, the little hammers and stuff, it's a mess.
- [96:23]
B
At least you get a little hammer, though. That's fun.
- [96:25]
A
It's fun to get a little hammer.
- [96:27]
C
You also get like little scissors.
- [96:28]
B
Half the price, you get a hammer.
- [96:30]
A
Little ham. Oh, my God. I did a seafood boil in North Carolina. We had a great time. Shout out. Outer banks. We did a seafood boil to get little buckets and everything. Come on. I did it again. The next week, my family were on vacation and I spent a lot of money at this seafood place. Like, like, like, like a lot of money.
- [96:49]
B
How much?
- [96:50]
A
It was like hundreds of dollars. It was like a lot of food for A big group of people.
- [96:56]
B
Okay.
- [96:57]
A
And I ask if they would. And there was a lot of issues with the order. There's a. And I asked, like. Because we'd already done the money online and everything, and I. And the hammers were $2, and the store was closed or whatever because they. And I asked, would you throw in the hammer? And they were like, no.
- [97:15]
C
Classic hyphen. No.
- [97:17]
A
And I was like, come on. When I went back, they forgot something and had to drive back to the place, like, 20 minutes.
- [97:25]
C
Now, are you throwing the hammers?
- [97:27]
A
And. Well, no. This is when I asked. I was like, could you throw in the hammer? They're like, no. I was like, man. They're like, well, the register's closed. I'm like, well, the register. You know, what fun.
- [97:37]
B
I love using the hammer. We should rank the. The most fun food tools to use while eating crab.
- [97:46]
A
Hammer is high. Like the.
- [97:48]
B
The nutcrackers kind of fun. Like the chestnut walnut cracker.
- [97:51]
C
I like that.
- [97:51]
A
Yeah, those are kind of fun. That's nice. You know, Garlic press.
- [97:55]
B
Oh, the garlic press is good.
- [97:56]
C
The garlic presses. Yeah, that's definitely satisfying. Like. Yeah, exactly.
- [98:00]
B
Yeah.
- [98:00]
A
Cheese graters.
- [98:01]
C
Like, Primal Cheese Grater is okay.
- [98:03]
A
I like the one where you put it down. But I think that the handhelds, I. I just. I'm always very wary. I feel like I'm gonna like it. Zesting a lemon. I'm, like, kind of dangerous.
- [98:13]
C
I know.
- [98:14]
B
I like the lemon juicer. That's fun.
- [98:16]
A
Very, very, very satisfying with that one.
- [98:19]
C
Yeah. Yeah.
- [98:23]
B
Anyway, that's the show.
- [98:27]
C
Christ.
- [98:27]
A
Any other intrusive thoughts?
- [98:29]
B
Yeah. Football's too long. I've decided there's too many weeks. And we every. I think every sport, we. We've backed ourselves into a predicament here because I think we all know that every sport's too long. They should all be shorter. The NBA 82 is insane. 162. Baseball, crazy. Football, getting longer. Ridiculous. And you can't shorten them because you make less money. But the pro. Everything would be better if they were all shorter. There'd be less injuries. It would. It would just be better. I'm watching these guys drop like flies in week 15. And now no Micah Parsons in the playoffs. No Devonte Adams for a month. Puka Nuku is, you know, getting every other week.
- [99:10]
C
Yeah.
- [99:10]
B
Mahomes is out. I'm like, I don't. It doesn't need to be this long. I Make it 10 weeks. Give them two buys. Make it 10.
- [99:16]
C
Nice round number. 10 weeks.
- [99:18]
B
Yes. Give them two buys 10 weeks, then we do the playoffs. It's better that way. Give me 37 NBA games. I watch all of them.
- [99:26]
C
You know, Everybody said you're 100% right, though. It's like they just painted themselves into a corner. They have to have this many games.
- [99:33]
B
There's, there will be less money. There's just no way around it. There will be less money if you reduce the game. So what do you do? You can charge more for tickets. Are they going to pay more for the TV rights for less games? No.
- [99:46]
C
You probably could pay more. You probably could charge more for the tickets, for the games. If there's fewer games.
- [99:51]
B
Games. But you're not going to make as much money.
- [99:53]
C
Right.
- [99:53]
A
What's the, what's the right number for what sport? Football. What?
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B
I don't know, 12?
- [100:01]
A
Yeah.
- [100:05]
B
Something like that.
- [100:08]
A
That's a particularly upsetting number because The Giants started 2 and 10 for like three years in a row.
- [100:14]
C
If you, if you, if you cut the length of the baseball season in half. Half. Would anyone be upset?
- [100:21]
A
Well, Ryan o', Hanlon, who.
- [100:23]
C
The number of games, the length would.
- [100:26]
B
Be interesting if you had to fit 162 games into half the time. Now that's. I might be interested.
- [100:30]
C
You're playing double headed.
- [100:31]
A
That'd be kind of cool. Dk, do you remember talking to Ryan about this? He was like, if the baseball just had six. They had the football schedule. They had 16 weeks. They played once a week, one starting pitcher. Oh, and you just. And you're like, every game mattered. You're like, oh my God. We would lock the in for baseball. Like every Sunday afternoon in the summer was just like a baseball team was playing.
- [100:51]
B
It's really the secret sauce. I mean, the brutality of football saved it because I know obviously people like the violence and they want to watch that stuff, but if there were 16 basketball games a year, 16 baseball games, and there were 160 football games a year, it'd be flipped.
- [101:05]
A
The nature of the sport happened like it, it was people like violence. But yeah, the nature of football skewed it toward a schedule that ended up really being the winning formula.
- [101:15]
B
The scarcity drives the demand. And football has benefited more than anything off that. And it's like, why baseball? No one cares until the playoffs.
- [101:24]
A
Yeah, Right time, right place. Kind of like how the Chiefs ended up winning in this really small environment in the NFL where like running the ball didn't matter a ton. And that like just passing the ball as an extension of the running game was enough to win the super bowl without Being able to stop the run and the Chiefs aren't going to win a Super bowl again, but that's a different conversation we'll have later.
- [101:41]
B
Okay.
- [101:43]
C
Anyway, speaking. Speaking of the sport being too long and too many games and too many injuries, at what point do we start asking ourselves if Jackson Dart is going to have a long career where he can flourish?
- [101:59]
A
Welcome to the party, pal.
- [102:02]
C
2 months ago Dude, I'm he I saw this Jordan run on posted this Dart has now been checked for a concussion and in half of his starts, in 50% of his starts. And that doesn't necessarily mean he got a concussion, but it means he got, well, his bell rung enough that they're like checking for it on the sideline.
- [102:20]
A
Well, he's played 10 starts. You're not saying he's been to the blue tent in five games, are you?
- [102:26]
C
I think he's probably been to the tent more than that for other things.
- [102:29]
A
He has. No, it's been five games, but he's been there eight times, which is unbelievable.
- [102:33]
C
It's just worrisome because he's, you know, the type of guy who says he doesn't want to change how he plays. I don't know. That was just like, I was thinking that today. I'm like, man, I hope that we're not having that tough discussion about him, whether he should, like, keep playing at some point because it's just like, it's starting to get really worrisome.
- [102:52]
A
This was the problem with Scatterboos. When Scatter was playing, the whole thing was, well, if he gets concussed, how will we know?
- [102:58]
B
Right?
- [102:58]
C
Right.
- [102:59]
A
You know, but Dart has to call the players. No, I agree, it's awful. It's just my kingdom for someone who can just do with Dart what Liam Cohen has done with Trevor Lawrence.
- [103:12]
C
Yeah.
- [103:12]
A
But yeah, I can I. While we're here, can I tell you just another random thing about the Giants just absolutely mangling the back end of the roster because they're idiots and they actually grow dumber by the week. I Ian Humphrey I yeah, another can't believe he doesn't play for the Giants. I just the latest saga shout out to Dan Dugan at the Athletic, who does an amazing job covering how stupid the Giants are and how insane their management, their team is. Again, I don't understand. I genuinely don't understand. This happens and if anyone for the Giants is listening, please email me at ringer fantasy football gmail.com. i swear, I swear I will keep it anonymous. Just fucking explain to me what the fuck I am missing their punt returner. Gunnar Levi has a concussion. He is in concussion protocol. The Giants have not one, but two punt returners on their practice squad. They do not elevate either of the guys to the active roster for the punt returning gunner Ol Shefsky does not clear protocol. So then they have to have Javon Holland, who is their starting safety returns punts. Javon Holland until last week had not returned a punt in three years. So why do you have have two punt returners on your practice squad if when your punt returner's injured you will not actually play either of them? Because to me that feels like something's off. Seems a little weird. Anyway, this is every week they. The kickers hurt. They have. They don't sign a kicker. The punt returners hurt. They have a punt returner. They don't play it. It's like what the fuck are they doing?
- [104:55]
B
Didn't Wanda Robinson return punts in college? Why doesn't he do it?
- [104:59]
A
I don't know. Probably because he tore.
- [105:01]
C
Because he's their starting receiver.
- [105:02]
A
Yeah, they need him because. Because most people run. I don't. I, I. Craig. I do not know. I do not know. Javon Holland had not he not returned a punt in three years.
- [105:13]
B
Some teams have. I mean like lad McConkey returns puns. Sometimes they do that receivers.
- [105:18]
A
I I couldn't tell you two punt returners of the practice squad. The guy gets hurt. They don't play either. Anyway. That's all right.
- [105:26]
C
What are those guys there for?
- [105:27]
A
I don't. What are. That is my question. Why the are they on the team?
- [105:33]
B
Nepos probably.
- [105:35]
A
Phil Rivers was activated for the practice squad before the Giants punt returners. When the punt return.
- [105:40]
C
Who, who are these giant punt returners?
- [105:43]
A
They're. It's. Oh, it's the guy from. It's Gibson from the jets who remember he returned the. The punt when the the Bills jets game when Rogers wasn't there and he won the game on the walk off. Like he's a good punt returner.
- [105:56]
B
Gibson with a P, right?
- [105:58]
A
Yes. Gibson with a P. And I forget the other one. But like actual talented special.
- [106:03]
C
They're not like these aren't guys that they're developing as future starters at receiver. They're there because they can return punts.
- [106:11]
A
No, I believe Xavier Gibson was like an all pro on returner.
- [106:14]
B
Cool.
- [106:14]
A
Just on. They didn't sign him. Doesn't. It doesn't matter. Just like how I. Why do I have seven stories of them not playing people?
- [106:22]
C
Why do I have this here's the important thing. They lost.
- [106:26]
A
I hate them. I hate them. I hate. I. I hate this team.
- [106:30]
C
I wonder when you'll be able to root for them.
- [106:32]
A
I.
- [106:33]
B
Number one pick. Pretty cool.
- [106:35]
C
I mean, you are on track to have the number one pick.
- [106:38]
A
No, no, they're going to, because they play the raiders at week 17. They're going to beat them.
- [106:43]
B
Oh, and then the Raiders will get the number one pick.
- [106:45]
A
Oh, I'm sure. I think the Giants will beat the Raiders, Right?
- [106:48]
B
Oh, the Raiders gonna take Fernanda Mendoza. Him in Vegas is kind of a hilarious combination, Right?
- [106:54]
A
He's gonna go to restaurants.
- [106:56]
C
He's gonna love to.
- [106:57]
B
He's like, all the ladies here are so nice, so kind.
- [107:00]
A
Oh, meanwhile, Diego Pavia the videos Affibity or. Oh, yeah, yeah. He wishes. Ick of the week. Did you guys see Trump doing the coin toss at Army Navy?
- [107:10]
C
No. Yes.
- [107:13]
B
Bad form.
- [107:15]
C
Does he do the coin toss similar to how he shakes someone's hand?
- [107:18]
B
Oh, the pull in, like, just power move.
- [107:22]
C
Just insane.
- [107:23]
A
Yeah, it's more like. It's more like Philip Rivers throwing a pass. Trump managed to do the coin toss.
- [107:28]
C
At Army Navy, but he did it basically like, he's never done a coin toss in his life.
- [107:33]
A
Yeah, so we've never seen one.
- [107:34]
C
He's like, I don't think he's ever touched a coin.
- [107:36]
B
He's probably never touched a coin.
- [107:38]
A
They're all so heavy. What is he at?
- [107:41]
B
I can. You tell me. I can pay with these for acquire.
- [107:45]
C
A fraction of a dollar.
- [107:46]
A
How many millions are each of these worth? No, but he took the coin and he just floated it, and it just didn't flip over. It just, like, stayed and then just land knuckle. Never is a knuckleball. It never at any point flipped. And then the ref looked out and just laughed, and they're like, all right, cool.
- [108:05]
C
Don't they have any rules if it's a coin doesn't actually fucking flip. You have to do it again.
- [108:09]
B
Well.
- [108:11]
A
If Trump does something on camera, the rules are kind of like, ah.
- [108:14]
B
So I would have. I would have respected if he. If he. They just handed him the coin and he went, heads. No, no, you have to flip it. No, I heard you. Heads. Okay.
- [108:28]
C
Yeah. Do you think the ref's gonna be like, no, it'll be like, all right, dude.
- [108:32]
A
Between this and Kenny Albert, John Vilma having him in the booth at that Washington game where they was like. Like, Kenny Albert had to throw to a break, and Trump was just, like, telling a story. Oh, my God.
- [108:43]
B
It's hard, man. That's like the Manning cast every week.
- [108:47]
A
Oh, yeah. That don't even get me started.
- [108:49]
B
Them figuring out how to cut to a break with the guest, and there's still a delay. I don't know why there's a delay.
- [108:55]
A
It's bizarre.
- [108:56]
C
It's crazy technology that we have.
- [109:01]
B
It's like I'm talking to my mom in my car on Bluetooth and it's like, no, you go, you go, you go. I can't believe there's a delay on the mannequin. I just can't. It's crazy.
- [109:11]
A
The other, the other ick of the week. Scott Hansen on Red Zone today was like Kenny Picket. To lock it. Usually gotta pick it to unlock it. And Jackie just goes.
- [109:24]
B
Get a load of this guy.
- [109:25]
C
Get a load of this guy. That's when you know you've lost the crowd.
- [109:31]
B
And we head to Philadelphia, where the Eagles are flying the Raiders back home to Vegas.
- [109:40]
A
Oh, my God.
- [109:43]
B
My ick of the week. Which SL is slash? I'm going to bring in the rewatchables category, the Ruffalo Hannah Rubenick Partridge overacting award. Tyler Schuck. Today, impressively, he slid at the end of the game at a crucial moment of the game. Got hit kind of late in the slide. Not really. He wasn't hit that hard for a brief second, was totally fine. And then kind of remember realizing the moment, oh, wait, if it looks like I'm hurt. They might throw a flag. And then kind of flops over like a fish and starts to kind of like hold his head. And it worked. And they called the flag, and it was not a late hit and it was not hitting the head. And it worked. And you have to give it to him, but it was, it was, it was some real overacting.
- [110:21]
C
I, I, I, I, soccer move. Get the spray.
- [110:27]
B
Like, it was so clear. I watched it. I, I watched the play one single time in the moment, and you could immediately tell he got hit, realized he got hit and that he could get a flag maybe. And then after a second of clearly seeming fine, started to flop on the ground like he was in pain.
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A
The way he kind of like, it looked like when a kid points a finger gun at you and he's like, Tom Brady. Tom Brady actually said absolute piss missile on television this week.
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Craig.
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C
Craig really called it with the absolute thing.
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B
Oh, it's real.
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C
He throws an absolute in there every day or every time. But this one, I don't remember if I've ever heard him say this. He he said, absolute piss missile.
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B
Yeah.
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C
He managed to make me cringe even when he used one of my favorite expressions. You know what I mean?
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B
Like, no, he made it not cool.
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C
It's like, oh, God, now, is that what I sound like? He also kind of, like, lingered on the S's. If you listen to it, it was like he's talking in, like, a snake voice or something. He was like, piss missile.
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A
Slytherin.
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C
Yeah, like Harry Potter.
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B
Every big play, his voice is completely shot. It's like he just got out of a concert. He's like, puka. God damn.
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A
Absolute piss miss. Holy. Did you guys hear him talking about milking cows today?
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B
No.
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A
Oh, my God. You okay? So the end of the Rams Lions game where the game wasn't over. The Lions.
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C
I almost don't want the context of this.
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A
Lions have a chance. The context is, it was like an important moment of the game. The game was. The Lions had the ball, was down seven, and Tom Brady starts saying like, I. I don't know how they got into this, but Tom Brady's like, yeah, no, I, I did used to milk cows. And KB's like, ha. And Tom Brady's like, no, no, no. I, I. My. My mom's side in Minnesota, there was a small town of 300 people, and we would milk cows. And one of my favorite things was, was we would pull the cream off the top of the pasteurization and get right in there with all the creamy dairy. And like, I. I love milking cows. It's one of my fondest memories. And then KB was like, third and four. It was crazy. Like, it was. The game was very much happening, and Tom Brady was just, during the play talking about milking cows.
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B
Brady's like, whoa, wait. I have a real human anecdote to give right now. Hold on. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna miss this moment.
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A
So. I've been saving this for years. They told me it pulled well.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Piss missiles did pull well before this, but now I'm like, out.
- [112:58]
A
I think Lucille Bluth. I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. Award I just had. Liam Cohen is four wins away from being the fifth most wins in the history of the Jaguars coach.
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C
What? Wait, what?
- [113:10]
A
Liam Cohen is four wins off of being the fifth most winning head coach in Jaguars history?
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B
I mean, how many coaches have there been?
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A
Like, 10. But he. He has. He's been there for three months. So, you know.
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C
Oh, my God.
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B
Oh, that's good.
- [113:25]
C
That's good. That's a Great stat.
- [113:27]
B
This is not a stat, really, but the stat, it kind of comes off. Dovetails off a stat. The stat about Travian Henderson being tying the rookie record for 50 yard touchdowns with Saquon Barkley and Lenny Moore, who was a running back from the 1950s. And I went. Of course, I kind of looked into that. And his rookie season, he played for The Baltimore Colts. 1956 Baltimore Colts. I went through the roster. I won't give you the full situation. There's just two things I want to point out. On the 1956 Colts. Four guys named Dick.
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C
Sure. Pretty good, actually.
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B
And the center on the team's name was Buzz Nutter. 1956 Baltimore Colts. Buzz Nutter. N U T T E R. That's right. That is correct. And Buzz, his real name. His real name was Madison.
- [114:25]
C
Oh, okay.
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B
Madison Nutter. I guess he chose Buzz over. Over Madison and. And Buzz Nutter. After he played, he moved back to his hometown of La Plata. La Plata, Maryland. And he started a beverage distribution company that he ran for 40 years, of course. So.
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C
Rivaled only Cloy Spocks.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You think Buzz Nutter had had some inadvertent whistles in his day?
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B
No way. Buzz.
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A
Buzz Nutter.
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C
Yeah. He had legendary stamina.
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B
I think Buzz had too much whiskey in his blood to get a premature situation.
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A
Buzz Nutter is pretty good.
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B
Buzz Nutter. That sounds like a. I feel like I could buy a Buzz Nutter at the store tomorrow.
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A
We should, like, launch a beer when you call it Buzz Nutter.
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B
Buzz Nutter is so good.
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A
Buzz Nutter. That might be second. I mean, that's up there with Cloy Spocks and Jug.
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B
Jugger and Cub Buck.
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A
I think that's. It's clo. Box. Fern Box, Jugurp and Buzz Nutter. That's the. That's.
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B
That's what we're starting.
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A
Don't forget Beady Feathers.
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B
Yo.
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A
Spot in my heart for Beatty.
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B
Beatty Feathers is off the bench. Buzz Nutter's the center.
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A
We're gonna have to make us. We're gonna have to make us. We. And, oh, we need to make a starting 11.
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C
Oh, so good.
- [115:56]
B
More research just came in about Buzz Nutter. Nutter was selected in the 12th round of the 1953 NFL Draft to the Washington Redskins. He failed to make the team in the off season and moved back to West Virginia to work in a steel mill.
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C
Of course, he's in the mills. Yeah.
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A
That's unbelievable.
- [116:12]
C
Damn. They had 12 rounds back then.
- [116:14]
A
Oh, they used to have 20, I think.
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C
Man.
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A
The. The only other I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. I want. I. I just have to note this. The jets have now tied the longest streak in NFL history without an interception. They already had it to start a year, but now they have just tied. Just. They have now played 14 straight games without an interception, which is the most on record since 1940. And I would like to point out that their coach was a cornerback. Ah.
- [116:43]
C
Even though we talk about it all the time, it's like they're the butt of everyone's jokes. It does fly under the radar still, even a little, just how bad the jets are all the time.
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A
They don't have an interception.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They could go the entire year without one. That's never been close to done. Cursed.
- [117:01]
B
A cursed franchise. My. My wife. My brother's wife is from Cleveland. And we were. I was just with her this weekend and I was like, hey, like, maybe you maybe get a good quarterback next year. You get an early pick, maybe get a good quarterback, things will work out. And she's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who we draft. It's not going to work.
- [117:21]
C
Truly. What is it like to be a Jets fan? I can't imagine. I can't fathom it.
- [117:26]
A
It is. It is pretty. It's pretty grim.
- [117:29]
C
We make fun of Heifetz, but he has two fucking Super Bowls.
- [117:32]
B
Recently the jets were so bad that Sean was like, I'm going to dedicate my life to watching movies because I don't want to watch football. I will spend all of my time watching movies so I don't have to watch football.
- [117:41]
C
God. Kind of smart.
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A
Anything else?
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C
This goes under the category of this just doesn't sound right. So I'm going to ignore it.
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A
It.
- [117:52]
C
Caleb Williams is now the NFL. Has the NFL record for fewest interceptions in a quarterback's first 1,000 career pass attempts.
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A
Nope.
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C
Just 12. It just doesn't. I don't believe you.
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B
That's crazy, actually.
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A
Plater platter.
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C
Plater platter.
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B
I don't believe you.
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C
There's no way that's correct.
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A
Check that one again. Burn book.
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B
I got two for you.
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A
Okay. Please.
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B
Tyler Warren.
- [118:23]
A
Oh, man. Wow.
- [118:24]
C
That's actually a great one.
- [118:25]
B
Has single digit points in five of his last six games. Excuse me? Six of his last seven games. Especially in a week where tight ends went off. Tyler Warren had three points today. He had two points last week. I don't know what. I don't know what he does for you anymore.
- [118:39]
A
Fantasy is hard because you should have Cut Tyler Warren after his buy in week 11. You should have cut him and just added Colby Parkinson.
- [118:46]
C
Yeah, I mean Colston Loveland has outscored him by quite a lot. It's, it's such an interesting the season's so long because Tyler Warren was like a sensation at the beginning of the year.
- [118:57]
B
It is reasonable to say that people will be drafting Colson Loveland ahead of Tyler Warren next year.
- [119:03]
A
Well, only unless Philip Rivers back. Yeah, yeah. What about that?
- [119:07]
B
That's true. I imagine he's having so much fun. Fun.
- [119:11]
C
It's like I get he's, he's getting out of the house.
- [119:14]
B
Feels amazing making a paycheck.
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A
Who's your other burn book?
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B
Ashton Genty.
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A
I think it's Genty. I think it has to be Genty.
- [119:23]
B
Genti's last three weeks. Six, four, nine.
- [119:27]
A
He I think Genty has to be the bird book. I, I, someone I texted me was like I want to bench him for Rico Dowdle.
- [119:33]
B
He's the least reliable quote unquote Bell cow first round pick.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Of the year.
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C
They're playing the Texans next week.
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A
I think I, I think it has to be.
- [119:43]
C
Yeah, yeah.
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B
They're playing. They are in Houston next week.
- [119:47]
A
No one who's drafted Ash and Jente is happy.
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B
Correct.
- [119:50]
A
Because they did that me in the ringer league. That's easy. Jenty is. I can't believe he's made it this long.
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B
For the Raiders.
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A
Yes, it has. The only other thing I want to say to you guys before we leave is we were talking the other day about a binturong. Remember the bearcat? Yeah, binturongs.
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B
Yeah.
- [120:14]
C
It's a cool looking animal.
- [120:15]
A
Neither bears nor cats but they're called bear cats.
- [120:17]
B
Their Wikipedia says that. So they're a nocturnal mammal from Southeast Asia known for its popcorn like smell.
- [120:23]
C
Oh yeah, that was something a lot of people I was talking about how the binturongs the coolest looking animal. A lot of people sent me that fact. They smell like popcorn.
- [120:30]
B
They say, do I get a binturong?
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C
You should.
- [120:33]
A
I mean yeah, they're cute as hell.
- [120:34]
B
I gotta start a movie theater and have my logo be a binturong.
- [120:38]
A
Bintou Wrong's pretty sick name though. It is.
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C
Bearcat is also cool.
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B
Why do they smell like popcorn?
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A
I don't know. Could someone email us to explain why these things smell like popcorn?
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C
Why do they smell like popcorn?
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A
I love that we, we hear that. We're just like, yeah sure. But then Caleb Williams has the fewest interceptions for like a thousand times. We're like, no, no, that's to be fake. All right. Thank you, ddk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronic. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Austin. Thank you to Phil Rivers for. I don't know. He tried really hard.
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B
N. Screw you, Phil. I started Tyler Warren because of your ass.
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A
I thought.
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B
I thought you'd throw to him more.
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C
Great.
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B
You ruined my life.
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A
Thank you, Lord.
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B
Lauren.
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C
Thank you, Britney Spears.
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A
Okay.
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C
Wow, Heifetz. You know that one, right?
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A
Yeah, I do. Yeah.
- [121:31]
C
Okay, cool.
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B
What's your favorite song?
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C
Mine?
- [121:36]
B
Is it Hit Me Baby One More Time or is it Oops I Did It Again?
- [121:38]
C
Well, ironically, Craig, they're pretty much the same song.
- [121:42]
A
They Shockingly similar.
- [121:43]
C
If you. I saw there was like, a. Someone did like a. They laid them on top of each other or whatever. What do you call that? And they. The beats are very similar and, like, the. Whatever. The chorus hits it almost the exact same time. So, like, the irony of naming it Oops I Did It Again is probably because she just made the same song over.
- [122:04]
B
Okay, that was an unnecessary takedown of a great pop song.
- [122:08]
C
No, I like it.
- [122:09]
A
No, he's right.
- [122:10]
C
It reminds me of high school.
- [122:11]
B
Every pop song sounds the same. We're just gonna decide. Britney Spears is the first person to have a repetitive pop song song.
- [122:18]
C
I did not. I never said derogatory. I thought it was a cool little story about the name of the song song you liked.
- [122:26]
A
Well, one of the. When we do the one second song challenge, which again, we should do soon, maybe the one second song challenge. I think one of them started with what do we think is the eas? I think it started with what's the most instantly recognizable song? Like, that was kind of the. The. The genesis of it was like, what is the song that. That people could literally recognize in one second? And one of the ones we bopped around as maybe the most one second song. It was toxic as maybe, like, the easiest one to identify in one second.
- [122:57]
B
Oh, I think Hit Me Baby One More Time is more identifiable than toxic.
- [123:01]
C
Really?
- [123:02]
B
Yeah, Duh, Nana. Everybody knows that. How does Toxic start?
- [123:12]
C
That's like, a little bit longer, I think. You can't get that in the second. I still remember back when we had music videos. I remember, like, the Oops I Did It Again song. She was, like, doing, like, the. Played with. Yeah.
- [123:26]
A
Were you a fan of the British music videos?
- [123:29]
C
Oh, who? Yeah, I was, like, 17 at the time or something, probably.
- [123:33]
B
So is she sicko?
- [123:35]
C
Well, that's. She was my peer.
- [123:37]
A
What.
- [123:38]
C
What year was she born?
- [123:39]
A
Actually, hold up, dude. One of the funniest things I've seen all year was someone put up Britney Spears's Instagram captions next to Trump's posts on Truth Social. Like written in the same voice.
- [123:50]
C
Craig, Britney Spears is older than me, so shut it.
- [123:53]
B
I'm just a joke, all right? You don't have to get too defensive.
- [123:56]
A
Please.
- [123:57]
C
I think he doth protest too much.
- [124:01]
B
It was totally fine. Okay.
- [124:08]
A
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