Week 18 Recap: The Most Steelers Game Ever, Seattle's Dominance, MVP Debates, Playoffs are Set, Myles Garrett's Record, and Madonna is Before Our Time

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Episode: Week 18 Recap - The Most Steelers Game Ever, Seattle’s Dominance, MVP Debates, Playoffs Set, Myles Garrett’s Record, and Madonna is Before Our Time

Date: January 5, 2026
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This Week 18 recap is packed with wild endings, playoff drama, coaching speculation, MVP debates, and the usual blend of depth, stats, and humor fans have come to expect from Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck. The hosts break down the “most Steelers game ever” against the Ravens, celebrate the Seahawks’ ascent to NFC’s #1 seed, debate wild playoff matchups, examine Myles Garrett’s sack record, and riff on everything from laptop ergonomics to Madonna and John Harbaugh’s job security.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Announcements & Housekeeping (00:41)

• The Ringer Fantasy Football Show is coming to Netflix (audio podcasts unchanged, video now available on Netflix).
• Playoff Schedule: They’ll be podcasting three times a week during the NFL Playoffs.

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2. Steelers vs. Ravens: The Most Steelers Game Ever

Segment Start: 02:47

Summary:
Steelers beat Ravens 26–24 in a game embodying every hallmark of the franchise and rivalry. The hosts give Craig (Steelers fan) the floor for catharsis.

• Key Steelers Moments (“Most Steelers Moment” game):
  • Burning all second half timeouts
  • Most reliable kicker misses crucial extra point
  • Rodgers’ (Aaron) helmet repeatedly breaking and sideline drama
  • Alex Highsmith can’t finish sack on Lamar; leads to two long TDs to Zay Flowers

Quote (Craig, 03:01):
“I’m not a religious man, but when I saw the priest out there pregame splashing holy water in the end zone…that was the most perfect Pittsburgh Steelers game in every way.”

• Nail-biting finish:
  • Ravens open strong but stall; Steelers offense grinds out long drives.
  • Fourth quarter “emotional whiplash” with missed kicks, referee chaos, and back-and-forth scoring.

Stats & Analysis:

• Rodgers: 294 yds on 47 attempts; Lamar: 238 yds on 18 attempts

• “Stats don’t matter in Steelers games.” (Danny Kelly, 07:01)

• Both teams had stretches where fans “felt stupid for believing,” perfect for Ravens-Steelers.

• Receiver Room Critique:

  • DK Metcalf’s suspension exposes barren WR group: “I don’t know if those guys [Thielen, MVS] would make the active roster on game day for other playoff teams.” (Danny Heifetz, 08:21)

• Debate: 4th down decision-making and “tush push” strategy

  • Multiple failed/odd short-yardage play calls
  • Analytics says TDs > FGs; a converted 4th-and-goal won the game

• Boswell's missed extra point & kicker drama:

  • Emotional “Atlas” analogy for the kicking burden

Memorable Quotes:

• “Rodgers was fucking fantastic. For what he is given...the wide receivers are picked up off the street. I’ve never appreciated DK Metcalf more than this game.” (Danny Kelly, 11:05)

• “Craig, is Rodgers the oldest 42-year-old ever? He looks like he’s been smoking a pack of heaters every day for thirty years.” (Danny Hyperson, 10:39)

• Late Game Clock/Timeout Criticism:

  • Harbaugh settles for 44-yard FG with rookie kicker, doesn’t try for closer (16:12)
    • “You probably could have gotten another 5, 7 yards.” – DK
    • “44-yard FG with a rookie? I wanted that.” – DK, as anonymous Steelers fan

• Final Word:

  • Steelers’ playoff fate is unexpectedly alive
  • “I want Rodgers back next year.” (DK & Craig)

Timestamps:

• Fourth Downs & Playcalling: [12:55]
• QB Comparison Stats: [07:04]
• Helmet Drama/Late Game Chaos: [09:25]
• Last Minute Kicker Drama: [15:32]
• Fan Emotional States: [18:30]

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3. Seahawks clinch NFC #1 Seed; Mike Macdonald praised

Segment Start: 26:32

• Seattle stuns 49ers, dominates in the box score and physically.

• “It was 13–3, but could’ve been 26–3.” (Craig, 26:54)

• Mike Macdonald (HC) gets Coach of the Year buzz:

  • Defense compared to Legion of Boom but more versatile
  • “Eight of their wins have been by double digits.” (Craig, 32:22)

• Sam Darnold’s Redemption:

  • “Week 18 last year in Minnesota, got blown out … this was huge for Darnold’s confidence.” (DK, 33:43)
  • Darnold now has as many wins in two years as the Jets’ last six seasons COMBINED

• Defensive innovation:

  • “The illusion of complexity… it's all unpredictable, pre and post snap.” (Danny Heifetz, 31:41)

• Defensive Personnel:

  • Devin Witherspoon, Nick Emmanwori anchor versatile, ‘primal’ tackling defense

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4. The Playoff Schedule is Set

Timestamps:

• Playoff schedule rundown: [26:02], [32:35]

• AFC #1 Seed: Broncos (13–4), defense led

• NFC #1 Seed: Seahawks (14–3)

• Funky NFC South: Panthers win division at 8–9, despite being “the nastiest four seed ever,” outscored by 69 on the season

Quote:
“This is the most unpredictable playoffs I can remember.” (Danny Kelly, 25:44)

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5. Chaos in NFL South & Coaching Carousel

Segment Start: 42:29

• Panthers, Bucs, Falcons drama:
  • Tiebreakers, heavy rain game, officiating gripes, and the Saints as “proxy champion”
  • “This is the saddest team I’ve ever seen in McDonald’s playoffs.” (Craig, 44:17)
• Falcons clean house:
  • “If you don’t nail the quarterback, you’re fucked. You’re gonna get fired.” (Craig, 48:13)
  • GM Fontenot and coach Raheem Morris both out despite division title tie
• Consultants in hiring process:
  • “They hired the guy to fire the guy who got the job over him.” (Danny, 48:48)

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6. MVP Debate: Drake May, Matt Stafford, Trevor Lawrence Undervalued

Segment Start: 55:46

• Latest Odds:
  • Stafford surges to favorite after big week, despite not winning division
  • Drake May’s case built on efficiency, team record, but critics say “weak schedule”
  • “If Stafford wins, it’s like a lifetime achievement award.” (Craig, 57:56)
• Trevor Lawrence’s second-half bonanza ignored:
  • 19 passing TDs, 5 rushing in last 8 games (only matched by MVP years of Lamar & Cam Newton)
  • “I don’t know why Trevor Lawrence isn’t in this conversation.” (DK, 56:22)
• Debates about how voters actually pick MVP (division winners, stats, narratives)
  • “If we split the award into halves, the second half is unquestionably Trevor Lawrence.” (Danny, 62:10)
• Snark: Even running backs feel more valuable (see: Justin Herbert, Patriots’ duo)

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7. Myles Garrett’s Sack Record

Segment Start: 69:24

• Record set at 23 sacks (in 17 games), but he had far fewer pass-rush snaps than previous record holders.

• “Maybe actually truly generational…best pass rusher since Reggie White.” (DK, 70:48)

• “He did this on the Browns…how many minutes were they even winning?” (Craig, 69:49)

• Burrow’s business decision on the record-breaking sack:

  • “Burrow kind of was like, you know what, I’m not getting drilled for this.” (DK, 72:10)

• Riff on Garrett’s career choice to stay in Cleveland:

  • “I’m angry at Myles Garrett ... that he decided he never wanted to make the playoffs.” (Danny, 74:58)

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8. Other Nuggets, Awards, and Intrusive Thoughts

Various through 85:03–109:48

• League finishers:

  • Stafford: 4,700 yds passing, 46 TDs each go “under the radar”
  • James Cook: Rushing champ (1,621 yds)
  • JSN: 1,793 yds receiving; quietly one of best ever
  • Bijan Robinson: >2,200 scrimmage yds

• Year of two RBs: “So many true 1A/1B backfields in the playoffs.” 52:34

• Intrusive thoughts (91:54):

  • There should be rain jackets for refs.
  • Is it possible for an O-lineman (Gray Zabel) to be OROY?
  • Couch/laptop ergonomics for 12+ hour football Sundays (“The couch wasn’t made for laptops!”)
  • Madonna was “just before our time… Like A Virgin was 1984.” (114:41+)

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9. Memorable Quotes & Funniest Moments

• “I know the older I get, the more I start saying, ‘this year just flew by’—and I’m okay with it!” (DK, 69:10)
• “The best team in NFL history...when they could get the first pick. I don’t know if by EPA per play there’s ever been a better team [than the Giants] when they could get the first pick.” (Danny, 77:40)
• “Do you think coaches get cold? Shouldn’t the refs get jackets?” (DK/Craig, 91:54)
• On Aaron Rodgers’ tush push stance:
  • “Why does he stand like he’s getting a blowjob?” (DK, 108:09)
• “Madonna is before our time…but I knew about Madonna from A League of Their Own.” (Craig, 114:09)

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• Steelers-Ravens Recap: 02:47–25:12
• Seahawks’ win & #1 seed: 26:32–36:47
• Playoff Schedule/Discussion: 25:42, 26:02, 32:35
• NFC South & Falcons firing: 42:29–49:48
• MVP Debate: 55:46–62:41
• Myles Garrett sack record: 69:24–73:29
• League-leaders and stats wrap: 85:03–89:16
• R.O.Y. and weird awards talk: 91:54–97:56
• Madonna & Generational Gaps riff: 113:56–116:42

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Overall Tone & Language

The show blends sharp analysis, fan perspective, profanity-laced hilarity, and rapid-fire debates. The hosts riff naturally, aren’t afraid to include vulnerable fandom moments (see: Giants lament), and deploy stats and “inside jokes” at will.

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For Those Who Skipped the Pod

If you missed it, you’ll want to catch up on:

• The all-time Steelers-Ravens finish and why it’s the blueprint for both fanbases’ emotional states
• The rise of the Seahawks with an unexpectedly elite defense and the Darnold comeback narrative
• Critical playoff matchups set up for upsets and unpredictability
• The ongoing “what is MVP really?” debate (and why Trevor Lawrence deserves more love)
• Myles Garrett’s record in context—and why some football feats still go underappreciated
• The coaching carousel, wild personnel moves, and a hearty helping of nonsense (rain jackets for refs, couch injuries, Madonna facts)

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Closing

The playoffs are set. The pod isn’t slowing down. If you made it this far, just like the NFL season: “Grueling, like a marathon, but also goes by quickly.”
“Stick with us for the playoffs…honestly, things get funnier.” (His words, not ours.)

Transcript

[Danny Hyperson]

Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyperson. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbeck, and we are going over all the games for week 18, the last week of the regular season. Craig is chomping at the bit to talk about Steelers, Ravens. He's got your hat that makes you look like a large child.

[Danny Kelly]

I look like a 9 year old in this thing. Don't care. Worth it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It looks like a cool nine year old, though.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I can't wait to wear this to school on Monday.

[Danny Hyperson]

We have a lot to talk about, but first, some quick housekeeping I got. We're gonna be on Netflix in a week, so starting next Sunday. Yeah, January 11th, I guess that's Monday, January 12th. All the episodes that you. If you listen to the audio, nothing's changing. But if you listen to us, you watch the videos, you will be able to watch us on Netflix starting next week. So we want to let you know, go. You can search us right now and go to the ringer and just type in ringer and like we'll be there. And you go and hit the set to reminder or I don't know what the button says. Reminder something. Hit this, the reminder button and you can watch us on Netflix. Or don't watch and just play it and then leave the room. Which we would also be great for us. So you can do that too. And then. Yeah, that's mostly it. We're going to be going three times a week during the playoffs. Craig and I, in the middle of this episode disagree on what days they're going to publish. So we'll figure that out. But we can agree we'll go three times a week during the playoffs, twice a week after the season ends. We're not going anywhere. So we cover the playoffs, super bowl, the draft. I guess your draft expert our next episode is going to have a mock draft for the top 10, 12, something like that. Coach firings, all that jazz is coming. So, yeah, we're not going anywhere. Honestly, the episodes probably get a little more fun, if anything, during the playoffs and offseason.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm currently in negotiations with Ted Sarandos to put our show in movie theaters like they did the Stranger Things finale. But it's not going well, so I'll catch you up on that.

[Danny Hyperson]

You got to talk to the AMC guy. So, yeah, the playoff matchups, because we don't mention all of them in a row for quite some time. But the. The Rams are at the Panthers, the Packers are at the Bears, the Bills are at The Jaguars. The Niners are at the Eagles. The Chargers are at the Patriots. But after this break, we will discuss the Texans at the Pittsburgh Steelers because the Steelers beat the Ravens.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Q.

[Danny Kelly]

Renegade.

[Danny Hyperson]

With the rights.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just.

[Danny Hyperson]

Just do. Do a version of it.

[Danny Kelly]

Finally found Renegade.

[Danny Hyperson]

See, how bad does my song me singing have to be till they couldn't even claim copyright?

[Danny Kelly]

That's. That's our workaround is we just have you sing all the time. Just.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Tone. DE yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

All right.

[Danny Hyperson]

We'll be right back. All right. Craig. Steelers just beat the Ravens. One of the best games I've ever. Football games I've ever seen in my entire life. Craig, we're letting you off the leash. Craig.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, look, I'm not a religious man, but when I saw the priest out there pregame splashing holy water in the end zone, you know, I debated going to church next Sunday and I just might because Aaron Rodgers is my pastor. I don't know. That was, that was the most perfect Pittsburgh Steelers game in every way. That is exactly who they are as a football team and who they've been as a, as a franchise for the last 20 years since Ben Roethlisberger stepped foot on the field. That is exactly who the Pittsburgh Steelers are. And we fucking did it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Steelers are in the playoffs.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, baby.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The what was the most Steelers moment? Was it when you lit all three of your second half timeouts on fire for no reason?

[Danny Kelly]

So many. What a great category. Dk. Wow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Or was it when you're most like the most reliable kicker maybe in the NFL missed the extra point that would have put them up 3.

[Danny Kelly]

Or was it when the Rogers helmet broke and then I think he got another helmet.

[Danny Hyperson]

Helmets again.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. Or.

[Danny Kelly]

Or was it when Alex Highsmith literally had Lamar wrapped around his arms and couldn't sack him and then Lamar gave up a 50 yard and then that happened again the next possession, another 50 touchdown to say flowers.

[Danny Hyperson]

Everything you guys just said was in the final four and a half minutes of the game. Yeah, that all happened in five minutes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Craig, what. What were you, what position were you sitting in during the second half here? Like what, what was your range of emotions when you were watching this game?

[Danny Kelly]

I didn't move. I sat on the couch the entire time, just frozen. When. When Loop missed the kick. Liz, my wife, was sitting at the kitchen table next to me. I said, oh my God, he missed it. And I stood up out of the couch.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Kelly]

I. Yeah, I want to look. I think we cancel all the plans for this pod. We just talk about this game. For an hour and a half.

[Danny Hyperson]

I gotta tell you, I could. I could.

[Danny Kelly]

I could work my way through every goddamn play. So where do we start?

[Danny Hyperson]

So the Stewards won. The Steelers won, 26 to 24. I want to really, I think to your point, this really was Raven Steelers bingo. Because it had. This game had everything. It had TJ Watt intercepting a little more. You know why? I think this was a perfect game. Perfect Raven Steelers game. I think the way you feel about the Steelers is also how Ravens fans feel about the Ravens, which is this game had everything where you believed and then felt stupid for believing in all of the players and coaches on your team. And that felt that way for both teams because I think Ravens. The Ravens came out and it was like, oh, my God, the first play, Derek Henry runs for 47 yards, and it's like, oh, the Ravens are going to destroy the Steelers just like last year, and it's going to be a romp. And then, honestly, the Ravens were like, should have been ramming the Steelers off the field. And then around the beginning of the third quarter, you were just lamenting the whole game how badly the Steelers are playing. And then you texted us, at what point have the Steelers actually outplayed the Ravens?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, the middle chunk of the game, the momentum completely switched and the Steelers were outplaying Baltimore. They were moving the ball down the field. Like, the Steelers genuinely cannot create big plays, so the only option they have is to have eight minute, nine minute drives. And it's what they were doing. And the Ravens and Lamar look completely discombobulated. Lamar was very. His pocket presence tonight was super weird. He was missing stuff. Even though he was. He was able to evade some sacks. But, yeah, until the fourth quarter when the Ravens turned it on, I think the Steelers were just like dominating the game, commanding the game. They could run the ball. Rodgers played well. Rodgers played really well, I thought. And then the fourth quarter, you know, everything went off the rails. As they should.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This was such a good metaphor for the entire season of just listening to Craig talk about this deal. The Steelers. It ends with Tomlin blowing kisses into the. Into the camera.

[Danny Hyperson]

He beat his chest. It was just like. That was unbelievable.

[Danny Kelly]

We're so back.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Season the Steelers have ever had.

[Danny Hyperson]

I can't believe, I mean, the fact that the Steelers fans wanted Tomlin to be. I mean, they were chanting, fire Tomlin at a football game like, like a month ago. They were booing Renegade a month ago. Dk. I just. I mean, just looking at the statistics here are just unbelievable. I Mean, the disparity. Lamar Jackson.

[Danny Kelly]

You can't look at stats in Steelers games.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Stats are for losers.

[Danny Kelly]

No, but they don't matter.

[Danny Hyperson]

But Lamar had 238 yards and Aaron Rodgers had 294, so they were 60 yards apart. Rogers threw 30 more passes. Lamar was 11 for 18 and Rogers was 31 for 47.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah. I think there was a point in the game where I saw this tweet that it Rogers had like 31 pass attempts and Lamar had eight. There. There was a point in the game and, and like Craig laid out perfectly. Was like the momentum shifted several different times in this game. So it felt like one team was dominating. Then the other totally took over. There was one point in the game where I was like, man, what the hell happened to the Ravens? They just look so shitty. They don't. They have one receiver that can do anything. And then of course, that was the one receiver that the Steelers decided not to, to match up with on two, like of the biggest plays in the game in, in Zay Flowers. And so, yeah, this was just a wild game. And you know, as soon as I had kind of counted out Lamar Jackson, he came back and made that miraculous play that was a one a million play. One in a thousand at least. Because, like, the fact that he even escaped that sack was incredible. And then he threw and then he like directed traffic and lobbed up like a perfectly placed pass down the field to Zay Flowers.

[Danny Kelly]

The camera pans and I'm like, Patrick Queen, the middle linebacker guarding Z. Flowers.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

What is he doing? The one receiver on the team that we have to worry about is Zay Flowers. We have Patrick Queen chasing him down the field, 10 yards behind him.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

Chris Collinsworth being like, that's the most open area of the field I've ever seen, Mike. It was unbelievable. I, I, it's funny because the beginning of the, the story was in Chris Collinsworth nailed this. That the Steelers offense could, it didn't exist without DK Metcalf. I mean, they had this, I mean, they got Adam Thielen is essential. Scotty Miller, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say. I don't Never mind what these guys play for other playoff teams. I don't know if those guys would make the active roster on game day.

[Craig Krolbeck]

MVS Marcus Valdis. Scantling had seven targets who made a.

[Danny Kelly]

Crucial third down catch. I can't remember third or fourth down. Like something he does eight out of 100 times. Some like, you know, What Rogers did this, this game that I was happy about. No back shoulder throws. He learned at least that. All right. Adam Thielen and Marquez Valdez scantling, at least they cannot complete back shoulder throws.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Craig Marcus Valdis scantling started the season on the Seahawks.

[Danny Kelly]

Didn't know that.

[Danny Hyperson]

I think you're right. No, this game was unbelievable. I mean, at this. I thought it was so over when they flashed the graphic. Ray Rogers has been playing football for a long time.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hyperson]

And they flashed a graphic that said Aaron Rodgers had with since DK Metcalf had been suspended. Basically they had gone six quarters without a touchdown, which was the longest stretch of Aaron Rodgers his entire career. That was in the middle of this game. And then they went and scored two touchdowns in like two minutes, including his. How they swapped his helmet out twice. I, maybe I was wrong. He went back and forth. I don't think I've ever seen a helmet swapped out twice in two place.

[Danny Kelly]

It looked like he went through three different helmets in total. He was fucking yelling at Arthur Smith.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This new one's not working either.

[Danny Hyperson]

I thought it, it was Danny Kelly, the way he was screaming Arthur Smith. I was like, this is the first time Danny Kelly's ever loved Aaron Rodgers in like five years.

[Danny Kelly]

This is. It was like DK trying to use a Bluetooth speaker, screaming, Seriously.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's like when your parents are on speaker.

[Danny Kelly]

Seriously, dude, have. I don't think I've ever seen an old man clinic quite like what the Steelers put on today between Cam Hayward, who is fantastic 36 year old team captain Cam Hayward and 42 year old Aaron Rodgers. They did the post game interview on the field. I can't remember the last time or if this has ever happened where the two players interviewed after when both were covered in gray hair.

[Danny Hyperson]

I think.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is Rogers the oldest 42 year old ever? It's funny because he's like this health, that guy, you know, and does all this like alternative stuff. But he, he is just great.

[Danny Hyperson]

Like the Brian Johnson. The guy tried to live forever.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm like, he's the old. He looks like he's been smoking a pack of heaters every day for the last 30 years.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm pretty sure like Anne Hathaway's 42. Go look at Ann Hathaway, right? They look like they, they live on living planets.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Um, but yeah, man, he, I mean that, that touchdown pass to Calvin Austin in this. In the fourth quarter was incredible. He was, he was letting loose down the field that he hit Fryermuth down the seam on One play.

[Danny Kelly]

Rogers was fucking fantastic. And for what the he is given, I mean he's playing with Jalen Ward and Kenneth Gain are the best players in the team. They are both fantastic. The wide receivers are picked up off the street. I've never wanted or appreciated DK Metcalf more than this game and last game. I mean the fact that they, they had to do this without him. I can't wait to get him back. The whole game I kept thinking I hate that fucking Lions fan. I hate that lion fan. He ruined everything. That clown. I hate the clown. DK Metcalf earned all $30 million each year tonight because I want him back so bad.

[Danny Hyperson]

I have. We have to go. I have to admit just because Ravens fans are probably screaming but is you know obviously the game really changed when as Craig said it over text to us, the Steelers offense is so bad that Ravens defenders are crashing into each other like vultures for like to pick the carcass and that play where Kyla Hamilton crashed into a lowy Gilman and again yeah, brutal. Why these $11 billion franchise valuation teams can't have two blue tents always. Like the fact that there's a line outside the blue tent to evaluate Kyle Hamilton nightclub. Yeah, exactly. Like the best thing to like hey, busy guy. One in, one out. And so they're waiting for Gilman to come out so Hamilton could go back in. He's hurt and then Gilman's banged up clearly. And like the game. And that really is when suddenly Valdo Scantling and everyone seemed to be able to catch passes and everything that changed. Now I don't want to hear about injuries from the Ravens and again both guards for the Ravens ended up coming in and out of this game. But when the Steelers it's, it's probably the worst pass catching group on a competitive team since at least the late Brady teams. And that was when you wouldn't count Gronk. It was unbelievable. But dk, what did you make? There's so much to talk about in this game. We got to go back to all the fourth and ones and the end of the hat they do. The Steelers go for fourth and one early. They get a tush push with Cam Hayward shoving Connor Hayward, his younger brother. They don't get it. The Ravens get a field goal out of that and then it was, it.

[Danny Kelly]

Was 4th and 1, but it was really 4th and 2.

[Craig Krolbeck]

4Th and it was 4th and 1.7.

[Danny Kelly]

Yards and they run a push push which I thought was a horrible play call and they don't get It. Yeah, you're right. And it turned into a field goal. I'm happy they went for it at the end of the half. I thought that was the right call. Ultimately, they didn't get it. That's.

[Danny Hyperson]

But they didn't do the tush push at the end of the half, which almost cost the Steelers the season, because then they cowered out of the touch push and they do this crazy play to Kenneth Gainwell. That horrible play call happened there. It seemed like they. When they motioned. I forget at this point. It was so many plays ago. They motioned a tight end, a receiver over, thinking it'd be man. And I guess they thought he'd be cover or follow him. But then the guy they stayed. So they had one blocker for two guys, and so they had Kenneth Gainwell trying to outflank. It didn't make any sense.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I think they were trying to get the motion going to the right. They're trying to get, you know, the eye candy all going to the right and then tossed to the left. It was just like a classic whatever counter type play just didn't work. Maybe Arthur Smith thought he had Bijan Robinson instead of. Well, who did he get? Kenneth Gainwell. I mean, Kenneth Gainwell is a good receiver, but he's not, like the most successful.

[Danny Hyperson]

He's been better than last month.

[Danny Kelly]

But they don't. So they run the tush push on fourth and basically two don't get it. Then they don't run the tush push on, like, fourth and one to end the half, and then they. And they don't get it. And then they do run the tush push later with Connor Hayward and do get it.

[Danny Hyperson]

And they get. And I will say, but the net, the whole reason, all the math and the analytics and everything, fourth downs, it's not that complicated. It's succeeding. Once is worth more than settling for a field goal. Twice seven's worth more than six. So when they get the touchdown, that ends up basically being the margin of the game. It's 26, 24. Then going for the touchdown and them getting it kind of ended up like kind of winning the game. But dk, I'm curious what you. I agree with Craig, though. I think this was probably the best game Rogers has played for the Steelers since week one when he throttled the Jets.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I mean, he looks sharp. He did it didn't look. He didn't look his age. There was even a point where he, like, scrambled and kind of picked up some yards and tried to, like, truck.

[Danny Kelly]

A guy Well, I mean, here's the perfect time to drop the stat that Aaron Rodgers has more 20 yard runs this season than Lamar Jackson, which is hilarious.

[Danny Hyperson]

That is. You know, we. We're gonna have to do a category at the end of the show, which is one.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He has one.

[Danny Hyperson]

But we did the Rewatchables.

[Craig Krolbeck]

One rush of 20 plus years.

[Danny Hyperson]

That is, that might be the stat of the year. Rogers has more 21 yard runs than Lamar.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Dude. Lamar. Yeah, Lamar. I mean, he's clearly not himself right now. Like, just when he's moving around outside the pocket, there's a couple times he got outside and ran. And I mean, he definitely made some things happen, but he did not look like himself whatsoever. But yeah, fun game. It sucks that it came down to kicks as usual, and then the, the young new kicker just missed it.

[Danny Kelly]

But I did, I did tell Liz. I was like, oh, that guy's a rookie and he just lost the game for his team to not go to the playoffs. And she was like, oh my God, I feel so bad.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, that's the worst thing in the world. It's like, you know, Atlas, like they. Atlas has to trick Hercules to hold the weight of the world at his shoulders. And then like he tricks him to take it back and it's like, that is. I feel like that is Boswell. Like, Boswell just has the weight of like, oh, my entire life will just be different now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

And then like two minutes go by and fucking Tyler Loop just takes it from him. Basel is like, oh my God, I.

[Danny Kelly]

Wonder if Loop was freaked out by. By Boswell's missed kick. Like, what's going on out there? What kind of wizardry is taking place.

[Craig Krolbeck]

If he missed it?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he missed it from 25.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I gotta say, I thought the Ravens, I thought it was very interesting clock management and play calling down that, down the stretch, that final, that final series where one Lamar didn't pass it to DeAndre Hopkins on that rollout. And I know he wanted DeAndre to run up the field, but that looked like a guy he could have hit and gotten at least 10 yards out of that. And they were discussing that and then they worked their way down to where this was. I think it was a 42 yard field goal for Tyler Loop. What did you guys. It was. They had 12 seconds left and a timeout and they decided to just like position the ball, call the timeout and have Luke come in and kick it rather than try and run a play. And you could have probably gotten another 5, 7 yards and then called A timeout and then you would have had to kick it wherever they caught the ball obviously. But I thought that was.42 is not that close.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Teams do this all the time. It's weird. Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

44 yard field goal. I think it, it would feel even stranger if this wasn't a. Where so many long kicks have been made. Mike Tirico who is the man and always on just Mike Tirico is the. I think the best play by play and he made the point of Tyler Loop all his misses being from 52 plus. So I think that that's the point is the 44 yards over and over. I think the reason frankly is John Harbo I think was really pissed about all the holdings that ended the drive in the first half of the Ravens. The Ravens had all these flags and I think John. Yeah. I think they were just like we've come too far. We're going to like if you told me we can make a 44 year old field goal to make the playoffs three months ago I would have done anything for that. And I think that's.

[Danny Kelly]

You could have even run the ball.

[Danny Hyperson]

But yeah, yeah, yeah, they could have run the ball. And imagine honestly, you're a Steelers fan. As DK has noted, all analytics are just trying to figure out what the opposing fans want. Didn't you want one more chance to make Derek Henry fumble? Wouldn't you have rather that traded that opportunity for like Derek Henry getting four more yards?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Give me the opportunity to get like a sack or something.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I think, I think like a 44 yard field goal with a, with a rookie. I wanted that over them trying to get 5 yards closer or something.

[Danny Hyperson]

DK, if so if the Ravens had ran one more play with Derrick Henry to try to get closer. You're. You were a Steelers fan, would you would have been like excited for that, right?

[Danny Kelly]

I'm telling you I would not have been. I was, I was happy that they decided to lose two yards by placing the ball and kick it. I thought they were too far away.

[Danny Hyperson]

I Lamar, he went too far backward on the Neil that bothered me. He lost how many. He lost two yards on it. I'm like it was going to be.

[Danny Kelly]

A 42 yard there on the 25 and then it became a.

[Danny Hyperson]

He went 45 very enthusiastically backward. I don't know. That was the most snip snap like the emotional tall game I could. That was unbelievable. I don't think that's one of the better Week 18 final games I've ever seen.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know if that's anything. The last game of the year, dude.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't think anything will ever top that Chargers Raiders game in week 18. Whereas Brandon Staley versus Herbert did all the fourth downs. And everyone kept joking going into that game, like, oh, if they tie, they both make it. Can you imagine? And like, everyone just said that for a week, and then suddenly, like, we're in overtime and it's like, oh, my God, they're gonna tie. And they kind of looked across the sidelines and Bran Staley it up. But this game honestly might be second in terms of like, one of the best week 18 games I can.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it being Raven Steelers. And it's like in Pittsburgh, right? It's January. Like, the. Just the history of these two teams made it that much. Having Collinsworth on the call made it that much better.

[Danny Hyperson]

Aaron Rodgers and Lamar have like, what, six MVPs between them?

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, I felt like it was 2008 watching this game. It was fantastic in every single way. Rogers was. Was. I mean, I kind of love Rogers still doing the old school. It feels like he's the only quarterback left still playing football the way old quarterbacks do, where he's just like, out there, like, yelling at. He's like, mbs, come here. He's like, drawing routes on his hands, and I just. I love it, man. It's like, it's green 18.

[Craig Krolbeck]

World.

[Danny Kelly]

We're living in green 18.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's so true.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's like, trying to catch 12 men on the field at all times. Like, no one else is doing that. I love it.

[Danny Hyperson]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is that the only thing he says? It's green 18, right? Isn't that what he says?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I wonder how long he's been saying that.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you guys think I'm crazy for. I want to talk about this. The moment when the Steelers. When the Steelers scored that. That kind of blown coverage or whatever that was to Calvin Austin, that put them up, too. There was 55.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought they should have gone for two. I immediately texted it before anything because I was like, 55 seconds. And the Ravens have three timeouts with the new kickoff rules and how good kickers are. And I was like, they are obviously going to get into field goal range, and if we just go for two now, I think they would secure the win. And of course, Boswell ends up missing it anyway, so we're still in this do or die situation up, too. But I thought they should have went.

[Craig Krolbeck]

For two yeah, hindsight 100%.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, totally.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I thought in the moment, in the moment it was like just get, get the point like you know, and then make it three point game and then like force them to actually execute. You know what I mean? And they didn't execute. They obviously like once, once Boswell missed a kick, like the. The equation changed. But I think they still probably just. You just take the odds of hitting, hitting the extra point and then going back and forcing the Ravens to execute and actually get a field goal.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I mean either way, if you missed a field goal, you win. Even if you go for two and don't get it. So I was kind of like, I don't know. I think this wins the game. If you go for two and get anything that wins the game, maybe you.

[Danny Hyperson]

Take a timeout and think about it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're saying that even after their fourth down, like the pitch play to gain well where they it up like you want them. I know.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't think. I think going for two would have been a little crazy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It would have been.

[Danny Hyperson]

It would have been a fade to MVS in the end zone. It would have been, why the did we do that? Also I loved when the helmet kept going out. Chris Collinsworth was like, so why doesn't Aaron just call a play?

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's what he does. All the other times.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's like all this guy wants is to run the offense. It's like, hey Aaron, you can't even hear your coaches. Isn't this kind of your dream?

[Danny Kelly]

I can't believe The Steelers went 10 and 7. I want Rogers back. I do. I want him back next year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You know what?

[Danny Kelly]

Next year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I legitimately found myself during. And this is like so funny because I have always just kind of been, you know, anti Rogers the last couple of years because like some of the he says but when they were. When they were lining up to do the kick, the Ravens were and I thought that the Steelers were going to lose. I was like, damn, this might be the way he goes out. That would suck. Like, I kind of want him to come back. And I think now, regardless of what happens in the playoffs, he'll probably come back.

[Danny Hyperson]

He has to, dude. I have also. I'm sorry we have to mention this. This viral post is going around that someone said Aaron Rodgers would throw my grandmother at my grandmother's ashes. A back shoulder route if it was a one. One on one.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, yeah, yeah, man.

[Danny Hyperson]

But next year it will be a lot of that with DK Metcalf, but an actual season to practice.

[Danny Kelly]

I have to say, I thought generally Rodgers is pretty good this year. I enjoyed watching him play. I think regardless of the dumbass shit he says on Joe Rogan's podcast. Like on the field, the players like Rodgers. I think Rodgers is awesome to watch. Everybody seems to like him. I thought he did a great job in the media this year. Like in his pressers, talking about his teammates, talking about his love for Pittsburgh and Mike Tomlin and the leadership and what it was like being in the organization. I thought he played great for a fucking 42 year old who's had an Achilles tear in his. Like, I thought he was as good as you could have ever wanted from Aaron Rodgers coming to play for the Steelers this year.

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, going forward. So looking at some of these playoff matchups. So the Steelers now are going to host the Texans, right. Monday night, which is wild because on one hand the Texans defense is going to look very different than this Ravens defense. Certainly hound him.

[Danny Kelly]

And that's the other thing. Dk, you talking about how Rogers looked young tonight and whatever. I mean, the Ravens had zero pass rush and that is a big reason why Rogers was able to do what he did. I, that's not going to be the case with Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Right. I will say though, like, in terms of play, in terms of matchup styles, makes fights or whatever, I think this is a good matchup for the Steelers relative to some of the other ones.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, Steelers could absolutely win this game, which is hilarious.

[Danny Hyperson]

I mean, I don't, I, I don't trust CJ Stroud. I don't trust CJ Stroud.

[Danny Kelly]

Somebody leaked. I, I don't know if this was fake or not. Who knows it these days?

[Craig Krolbeck]

We should just caveat that with literally everything we say.

[Danny Kelly]

I saw it. Like, I saw that it was FanDuel or DraftKings. I don't know who. Apologies in advance. We'll say it's DraftKings because they did it wrong. But they, they put up an early line. It was Houston. Pittsburgh minus. Pittsburgh was favored by minus one and a half, like in the first quarter of tonight's game. And everyone's like, oh, the script has been written. Like, the NFL knows the Steelers win and so I'm curious what the line ends up being. Is it out yet? What is it?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Right now I'm seeing Texans minus two and a half.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, okay.

[Danny Hyperson]

So here, let me read this full playoff schedule or any, any, anything else for you guys on Steelers Raven specifically. That was unbelievable.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just, I, I continually just crack up at the state of the Steelers receiving core. Adam Thielen, who forced his team to, to release him so he could go play for a contender and came in like, came in like the last two weeks, got MVs who they picked up off the, off the couch a couple weeks ago.

[Danny Kelly]

Now I'm like, dude, with DK Metcalf, we're unstoppable.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Calvin Austin looked like a, like salvation. Like thank God he was back.

[Danny Kelly]

I know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's just so funny that an NFL team of that caliber and this history, especially of a history of having some of the best receivers of all time, like this was their thing. They got the best receivers.

[Danny Kelly]

That has to be the most memorable game of the year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It was really fun.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, maybe the Rams Seahawks game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

I also think it's worth noting that both MVS and Adam Thielen were both of three different teams this season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's the guys that they're trotting out there in the, in the gate like the clinching game of the season. Hilarious.

[Danny Kelly]

Rams, Seahawks, Steelers, Ravens. Maybe that Packers Bears game where Caleb threw that touchdown.

[Danny Hyperson]

Trying to think of that. Yeah. That one though is probably gonna linger the most. So the playoff schedule. So we have it here and we'll go through a lot of these games.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But wild that the playoffs are here, by the way.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm so hyped. Yeah, I can't wait for the playoffs. This feels like the most unpredictable playoffs and I.

[Danny Hyperson]

That I can remember it does. It, it does feel that way. So Saturday, the. As Bill and Sal would call it, the Shakies game. So the Rams are at the Panthers and which is just funny especially since the Panthers are the worst team in the playoffs, but they actually beat the Rams.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know, it's wild.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

The packers are at the Bears, which I want to talk to you guys about very much. I believe that's a pick them Sunday, there's three games. Bills are at the Jaguars, the Niners are at Philadelphia. The Chargers are at New England. And then Monday night is going to be the Texans at the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is incredible. So with that said, how do you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Feel about the Monday night game? That getting the Monday night game? Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

I absolutely love it. And it gives Rogers an extra day to rest that old man. I think that's, I think that's a big deal if they played Saturday versus Monday. That's a big swing for 42 year old body.

[Danny Hyperson]

But we, we, we have to talk about one of the teams though that is not on that list which is the, the Seattle Seahawks. The first round buy in the nfc. The number one seed, Deacon, goes to your Seattle Seahawks, who.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I can't believe this.

[Danny Hyperson]

Kind of spanked the 49ers on Saturday night.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Kinda. They, I mean, everything but the scoreboard. Let's be clear.

[Danny Hyperson]

It was 13 to 3, but that game very much should have been 26 to 3. Seahawks. DK, how do you feel? Your team is literally the number one seed in the nfc.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It feels very strange to be totally honest because at no point did I feel like the Seahawks were a number one seed type of team coming into the year. I thought I. I was always offended. I told you guys at the beginning of the year that. And I'd love that if we could go back and find this at some point. Like, I was pissed because I. I want to say one of the books had the Seahawks win total exactly the same as the Cardinals. And I was like, that is just insulting. Get out of here. Are you kidding me? They won 10 games last year and now. Now everyone's all on the. The Cardinals jock or whatever. So I was just like really offended by that. The Cardinals, by the way, won three games. So that's cool.

[Danny Hyperson]

How do you finish dead last?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. What did they finish dead last? They won three games. Seahawks won 14.

[Danny Kelly]

Third pick in the draft.

[Danny Hyperson]

Wait, I have to look this up. You just. I just. I forgot until right now. I actually have the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl. Super bowl at 70 to 1.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you?

[Danny Hyperson]

Which is the fact that they were 70.

[Danny Kelly]

How much did you put on it? Be honest.

[Danny Hyperson]

Not enough.

[Danny Kelly]

How much? Tell me.

[Danny Hyperson]

Trying to. Desperately trying to find the bet, but I have to figure out what state it was.

[Danny Kelly]

What do you think it was if you had to bet 20 bucks? 10 bucks?

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, probably 25 bucks.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Here's. Here's what I'll say about the Seahawks coming into this game against the 49ers. I kind of. I felt like it would be a really close game. I felt like it would be one of those games where I feel really miserable afterwards. But the Seahawks fucking dominated in San Francisco in a game that was really important to both teams. They. They outgained the 49ers. 361 yards, 173 out rushed of 180 to 53. This was the worst offensive game in the Kyle Shanahan era. There's all these caveats that 49ers fans would throw out night. And I think it's valid. Like Trent Williams was not in there. You could argue Kittle's probably not fully healthy, but still, this Was like a make or break game. Not make or break, but like a very important game.

[Danny Kelly]

Trent Williams hasn't played what the last week or two and Brock Purdy has like 10 touchdowns in those games.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't care. Trent Williams missed the game. They scored three fucking points. They couldn't move.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm trying to be fair.

[Danny Hyperson]

I'm trying to be fair to try to be fair. It was absolutely dominant. You know why you don't have to be fair? Because the Niners had Nick Mullens and Jimmy Garoppolo and like the, like the quarterbacks the Niners have trotted out over the course of this era like it was the Niners. I felt like I watched the entire spectrum of the Niners offense between the Bears game a week ago, that felt like eons ago and this Seahawks. It was six days or whatever. It was unbelievable. The difference between the Niners in, in one week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Brock pretty passing chart. You know how next gen stats does their passing charts. I mean it looked like something Bryce Young would put out. It was, it was like nothing past 10 yards, a bunch of stuff to the side. You know, basically just trying to manufacture offense. So Seahawks absolutely put the clamps on and that makes me really confident. Obviously for the Seahawks this is a, like we said before, this is a weird playoffs. Feels like anybody could win. I think the Seahawks have a Super bowl defense and it just kind of depends on what they do with Sam Darnold, if he can continue to like play at least a little bit more disciplined football. He didn't have any turnovers in this game, thank God. I think because that would have been a huge deal because this was such a close game. Seahawks fucked it up. Their kicker missed two easy kicks and they had a fourth down conversion that went awry. It was just like they, they tried a lot of ways like keep this game close. But I do think with this defense, with the, the personnel that they have, the coaching from Mike McDonald is incredible. Devin Witherspoon and Nick Emmanwari are two very unique players and it really helps that they can match up with run heavy teams, teams that are balanced, teams that want to be physical and they can do that in like nickel and dime defenses because they have these DBs that can basically play the run like they're linebackers. So the Seahawks defensively have I, I think like a type of defense. I haven't really seen this type of defense for Seattle in particular, but for really any team since like the, the Lob era, that's really how it feels.

[Danny Kelly]

It's it's.

[Danny Hyperson]

It. It's so amazing. And it's funny because to deeply oversimplify what the Seoks did with the Legion of Boom and Pete Carroll, who rip, you know, after today. But what the. He's not dead.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But, you know.

[Danny Hyperson]

I know. But what. This feels that way. But what the silks did like 13 years ago with the Legion of Boom was to oversimplify it, the lead changed the rules with how receivers and you could contact them and the. And everyone on offense, it was about speed and everyone was getting faster and there was a feeling on defense. You had to go faster. And the Seahawks went the other way and they're like, we're actually get more physical and we're going to hit you more. And so they played this defense that was totally predictable and you knew it was going to happen, but they were bigger than you and there was nothing you could do and they were going to out execute out physical. And now the Seahawks defense is one of the best defenses we've seen since that Legion of Boom Seahawks defense. Except instead of being predictable, play to play, it is completely unpredictable and it all looks the same, but you don't.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Know the illusion of complexity. Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. And it's all just like they're trying to confuse you before the play and then again after the play every single time. But they've done the same thing. Whereas everyone's getting bigger and everyone's gonna have more tight ends on the field and everyone's trying out Fisku. The Seahawks are like it. We're smaller. We're not even going to match your side. Like they're, they're, they're doing a different thing, but doing the same thing because they're like, we're not going to match your side. We're going in some ways speed. They're going speed and speed as opposed to matching the size, which is. It's fascinating. So Mike McDonald, I mean, Greg Rosenthal, who we love, he said he's going to vote for Mike McDonald's Coach of the year, which I think is totally valid because if you think about the fact that he's calling the best defense of the league and they also went and had the 14 games. That's amazing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But 14 wins. They had the best point differential in the NFL by far. Eight of their wins have been double digits. They've been pretty much dominating it. And the other thing that I want to point out about Mike McDonald before we move off of him, I just, I do think I really appreciate him as a coach because. And he talks about this, in a lot of his press conferences is he coaches effort. And, you know, if you don't have a ton of effort and you don't hit and you don't, like, rally to the football on every play and all that, he's like, you know, even when a guy makes a bad play or when he's like, plays not very well in the game, you hear McDonald talking about, like, well, I'm gonna go back and watch the tape and see what the effort was like and, you know, coach him up on the effort, blah, blah, blah. And, man, the Seahawks just rally to the football. That was one of the big differences in this game was the 49ers like, crazy. Yeah, the 49ers missed, like, 15, 20 tackles in this game, and the Seahawks missed almost not. It was like, three or four tackles in this game that they missed. And so that, to me, is just so satisfying to watch as a fan. It's like, man, they just tackle so well. It's. It's just so. You know, it's like almost like a primal feeling. It's like, man, our defense can tackle. I. I just love watching that type of defense.

[Danny Kelly]

DK's all horned up.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, Craig, you. You got a little horned up, too, so just let me have my time.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I'm. I'm. I'm very happy for you. The Seahawks deserve it. I think it's awesome that the NFC runs through Seattle now. I honestly, I thought. I thought while the win was very important, obviously, I just thought this was huge for Sam Darnold's confidence.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Week 18, last year in Minnesota, Darnold goes 18 for 41. They get killed by the Lions, and then the rest is history against the Rams. And the wild card, like, I just thought that was massively important for kind of just like, peace of mind. Going into the playoffs with Sam Darnold, I thought he made a lot of huge plays. I really like that they kept throwing the ball, like, into the third and fourth quarter. They still relied on him. He was great on the move. They kept throwing. He made big plays with his legs. I thought that was like, a very reassuring Sam Darnold performance across the board.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, totally.

[Danny Hyperson]

I honestly, I mean, Caleb Williams played his best game of the year against the Niners defense. And then I thought Sam Darnold played better than the numbers show against the Niners. D. And I. I'm curious to see how the Eagles do. But before we leave the Niners, I do have to say, I have to read you this. Just one of those that Sounds like fan fiction. Quarterbacks who have won 14 games two years in a row. Tom Brady, Sam Darnold.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I can't believe that stat kind of is a little different because the 16 game schedules, the switch to 17 makes it a lot easier to do that because I was like, man, Rogers and fucking Brady and Mahomes and Peyton Manning. No one's ever done that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But even if you, Craig, even if you like, shorten it to 13 and kind of account for it, it's. It's like all hall of Famers in Sam Darnold.

[Danny Kelly]

Totally. Yeah. It's crazy.

[Danny Hyperson]

Darnold has as many wins the last two seasons as the jets as a team do the past six years. God, they have.

[Danny Kelly]

What are your. Like, what do you expect out of the Seahawks? Like, what, What, What? Like, what will make you happy enough to consider this season? Are you already, like, you know what, Whatever happens, we were 14 and three in the one seed and Darnold was great. Mike McDonald's awesome. This is awesome. Or are you like, they need to make the super bowl or. This is a disappointment now.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think thinking about it, if they don't win in the divisional round, it'll be a huge disappointment. Disappointment just because you gone this far and then to like blow it at home after winning 14 games after winning the one seed, like, that would be a huge disappointment. Obviously.

[Danny Hyperson]

I mean, it's super bowl or bust because that all the games are going to be at home. I agree with dk. If you lose a divisional round, that's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm not saying I. I'm. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying super bowl or bust, but if they lose in the divisional round, that will be a disappointment for sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, I thought them running the ball against like, Kenneth Walker turned into Saquon Barkley.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, that's the other thing that we. We do need to mention is the Seahawks. And this is something that I've been like, railing on. You know, whenever I talk to my buddies about the Seahawks, I'm like, they just can't be so one dimensional. Early on in the year, the Seahawks were just, you know, lighting up teams by going to JSN down the field. And then team started to, like, adjust to that. They needed to have like a second punch. And they've been running the ball a lot better the last like three or four games. That's not to say that's not necessarily that they've been like, awesome running the ball, but they're at least able to kind of create Some explosives, some from that. Both Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet had huge explosive plays in this game.

[Danny Hyperson]

For on the ground, Mike Sando had a stat that said I couldn't believe this either. There have been four running back carries this season. On third and 15 or longer, they got a first down. Yeah, four carries by running back.

[Craig Krolbeck]

White flag, inside handoffs are actually good.

[Danny Hyperson]

All four of those carries were by the Seahawks.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I saw that as well. But that was. I saw that from Nate tight. So if I don't know who did it first, but shouts out Nate Tyson and Mike Sando. Unbelievable. I mean, Kenneth Walker is one of the fr. Like, like when you just like bring the aliens down and have them watch football and I like, show them. Kenneth Walker on certain plays, he looks as good as anybody.

[Danny Hyperson]

And he's a funny.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This is what I always trying to say, Craig. This is what this is. You're speaking my language here.

[Danny Hyperson]

But you guys heard him talk. He's one of them, like helium voices. Guys.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He does have a kind of a high voice. And there was one play in this game, and this is. I think the problem with Kent Walker is like in what drives people crazy about him. There was one play where they did like a swing pass screen to this to the edge. And there's like one defender and one Seahawks blocker. Jake Bobo, I think it was. And then like Kemp Walker just like ran directly into the defender and like.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Danny Hyperson]

I. I don't. Did he run into Jake Bobo or did Jake get launched into Ken Walker?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think it was like a little bit of both. But those types of plays are, I think, what drive a lot of Seahawk fans crazy. But then, I mean, I'm like, man, how can you, like, see the other place that he made this game and have any problem?

[Danny Hyperson]

You know why? It's because sometimes Ken Walker runs the way Zay Flowers runs, which is like, what are you doing? Run.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, he's a little bit, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

Crab.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, yeah, he's a crab. To get. Okay, so what's that said?

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I was gonna say one more thing. It just feels like having Rashid Shahid is like a joker card in the deck. Like, I just think he's gonna like what we already. The Al Michaels play where he. Shaheed Shahid, he's just like one of those guys where when you're in the playoffs, you know that he is like such a valuable piece that is going.

[Craig Krolbeck]

To make a game changing play big plays, punt returns.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Such an X factor that they have.

[Danny Hyperson]

Him the Biggest beneficiary of the offense, the offense will have for the. For the buy is getting the extra week to figure out what the two shot plays are. The one shot played each half will be for Rashid Shahid.

[Danny Kelly]

Man.

[Danny Hyperson]

How to set up the play action like. Like he's gonna have a 50 yard touchdown probably in the divisional round and they're gonna figure it out next week. So.

[Danny Kelly]

But if the Steelers and the Seahawks are in the super bowl, what are we doing? Are we. We're going right? We gotta figure out a way to go to that game.

[Danny Hyperson]

We're live streaming it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's gonna like strip.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're gonna do a gofundme.

[Danny Hyperson]

Gotta take a clothing.

[Danny Kelly]

Unfortunately, there's no way the Steelers make the Super Bowl. I think the Seahawks very well could make the Super Bowl.

[Danny Hyperson]

So. Yeah. Okay, we gotta go through some of these other games here while we're on this. Niners. The. So the Niners lost obviously look terrible. They're playing the Eagles in Philadelphia.

[Danny Kelly]

Yikes.

[Danny Hyperson]

I didn't think the Eagles would make it out of the wild card round, but I gotta tell you, it's funny because the Niners look so, so good for most of December, but I think the last two weeks have reminded me that the Niners are like just. Is it important to say Narcan for offenses? Maybe that's in poor taste. But I think they're going to revive the Eagles offense. Like I just.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I. Yeah, their defense is not good. I mean it's not been playing well. They.

[Danny Hyperson]

They're out of.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Lost several of their most important players obviously. But.

[Danny Hyperson]

Can I, Can I give you another stat? Just I think sums up the Niners entering that Seahawks game. Nick Bosa was. Has the third most sacks on the Niners.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How many games do you play this year?

[Danny Hyperson]

2.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Good Lord.

[Danny Hyperson]

He got hurt in the first quarter of week three and Nick Bosa is still third. He has two sacks and it still was the third most of the Niners entering that game.

[Danny Kelly]

The last time the Eagles and the Niners played in the playoffs was that NFC championship game where Brock hurt his elbow, Right?

[Danny Hyperson]

Yes. And they didn't have quarterbacks and then Josh Johnson got concussed and they invented the emergency quarterback role they have now where your third quarterback gets if he has to go in the game. They invented it because they ran out of quarterbacks. So do you guys.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So you like the Eagles in that game? I kind of still feel like the, the Niners are going to bounce back.

[Danny Kelly]

I do.

[Danny Hyperson]

Like is the wrong word. Do I like The Eagles favored.

[Danny Kelly]

No, Eagles are favored by three and a half. I think that's right. I think the Eagles going into Philly, their defense is playing really well.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

That's tough.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, I. I pretty.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Also got kind of banged up. He had, like, a party, got hurt his hands.

[Danny Hyperson]

Play of the game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

The Eagles basically took the week off. I don't know. True.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's gonna be hard. That's a. That's why that game was so important. I mean, getting the buy in home field is just massive. Having to fly to Philadelphia. There's all. There's interesting. There's an interesting thing this year where I think all of the, like, all the west coast teams have to fly to the east coast in round one. The Chargers are flying to New England. The Rams are flying to Carolina, Houston to Pittsburgh, and the Niners are flying. Yeah. Houston to Pittsburgh, and then the Niners are flying to Philly.

[Danny Hyperson]

The. You know, it's funny, the Eagles were pretty. Not heavily criticized, but a lot of people criticize them for not playing the starters. You could have got the 2 seed, and I'm like, would you rather host the 49ers or the Packers? If you're the Eagles, wouldn't you rather play the 49ers?

[Danny Kelly]

Probably.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know. I feel like we're just, like, ignoring the way they played for last month. Obviously, the Seahawks game was down.

[Danny Kelly]

I would say that's close, but it's not enough for me to, like, risk all my guys getting hurt.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. Yeah, probably. Okay. The other. The other one big game here. We have to recap, and then let's go through the rest of the playoffs here. But. So the Rams are going to play the Panthers, but we got to go through this. Bucks Panthers. I. I don't know what to call it other than trial by combat, because the Bucks. You know what I mean? The Bucks Panthers, they played this game on Saturday, which we can go through, but I would just summarize it as the Bucks Panthers game on Saturday was just absolutely pouring rain. Like, the most rain I've seen. The most rain, I think, in the game all year. Torrential is the word. The Bucks won 16 to 14. The Bucks dominated Carolina in the first half, and the referees dominated Carolina in the second half. So the Panthers lose, and then they. It's not over. So then the Falcon Saints just literally becomes like a proxy game for the. I choose my champion, which, yeah, it's literally trial by combat, where the Saints were representing the Bucks, basically, and the Falcons represented The Panthers and the Falcons won the cuck.

[Danny Kelly]

Chair game.

[Danny Hyperson]

It was the chair game. Which is also. How do you. That was weird. It was just weird that that was the reality. And everyone's like, yep, I know.

[Danny Kelly]

I. It was very odd. And what's funny is, so the way that the NFC south ended up was the Panthers, the Bucs and the falcons were all 8, 9, and the saints were 6 and 11. And now the Falcons, who just fired their head coach, Raheem Morris, and their gm Terry Fontenot. The Falcons lost to the. To the jets this year in a ridiculous game. So now you look back and you go, Jesus Christ, if the Falcons could have beaten the jets, they win the NFC South, Raheem Morris obviously doesn't get fired, and all of the trajectory of Atlanta changes.

[Danny Hyperson]

The Rams don't get the 13th pick in the draft. DK, did you see Tej Seth posted this? The Falcons were eliminated from the playoffs mathematically on December 7th, and they finished tied for first in the division.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This division. I. This is the most pathetic division. I also think it's so funny that, like, the Bucks and Saints like, hate each other. I guess everybody in this division hates each other, but the Bucks and Saints hate each other so much and then the Bucks just need the Saints to win, and then the Saints can't even go get, like, get it done for.

[Danny Kelly]

The Panthers are the nastiest four seed of all time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Dude.

[Danny Kelly]

The Panthers have a worse point differential than the Giants this year. The. The Panthers were true. The Panthers were outscored by their opponents by 69 points this year. The Giants are only 58, 11 points better.

[Danny Hyperson]

The Giants includes a 30 to nothing game over the Falcons.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I'm. I'm a fan of a team that eked its way into the playoffs in the Seahawks back in 2010, I believe it was. They were like 7 and 9 and they still went in there and then they beat the Saints at home in a crazy game. But this is the saddest team I've ever seen. McDonald's playoffs, I feel like.

[Danny Hyperson]

I mean, what's so funny? We can't even do the whole rant though, because they beat the Rams.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I know, but they lost. Okay, that's true. It was a weird game, but I mean, they lost three other last four games, including the game that could have clinched them the playoffs. Like, they. They just eeked their way into the playoffs and at no point do I have any confidence in this team. I know that they beat the Rams. There's no way that's gonna happen. Again, right.

[Danny Hyperson]

It would be funny if it happened again. The only thing I will say just was the Panthers did a good job in that game, that Saturday game. The Bucks outplayed him and they should have been up by more points in the first half. The second half, this guy Rick Patterson is this random ref, his field side judge on and this crew and they're like celebrating Rick Patterson, it's wearing like the Rex specs from the 70s and like, it's his 30th game. It's his last regular season game ever. He's retiring after the season. And then like, unfortunately, five minutes later, he's explaining to Tede Rowan McMillan why he called him for a phantom OPI that erased a 31 yard gain in the pouring rain. One play after maybe the most egregious face mask of the entire season. Because one of the Bucs defenders, I can only describe it as like a shot put of the helmet from someone's face. Oh, yeah, he took Tommy Tremble, the Titan of the Panthers helmet, and he like, shocked. I. I've never seen someone throw a helmet so far that was on someone's head at the time and they didn't call it. And then the next play, they wipe out this Tet McMill, this Ted Aurora McMillan play. And so I don't know, the Panthers probably should have won that game, but it was raining. But overall, I don't know. They have one win, loss, win, loss, win, loss, win, loss, win, loss. For like three months.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How the hell did they beat the Rams?

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't know. It's fucking weird. Pick six.

[Danny Kelly]

Has a team ever won the division while losing both games to the team that got last in their division? That's crazy. Like, they lost both times to the.

[Danny Hyperson]

Saints and they just under.500. I don't know, it's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, they've been outscored by 69 points.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, they just have. They have two quality wins this year. They beat the Rams, beat the packers, they lost the Cardinals, who won three games this year. They lost the Saints twice.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you guys agree with the Panthers Rams being the Shakies game 100.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, you don't need to watch that game. It's like if the Rams start losing, you turn the game on. But no, I don't think. I mean, people can if you want. It's one of them. Like, if you're going to be holed up all weekend and you have to like, do something, you have to do errands or something, that's obviously the game you would do.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's like Saturday, mid midday.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, it's the. I will just before we move on the Falcon Saints game, we don't have to talk about the game specifically, but it ended up getting Raheem Morris and the head coach and the GM Terry Fontenot fired. The players were just absolutely begging the Falcons to keep Raheem Morris after the game ended, which is funny because clearly they had kind of decided before and to fire him because they had all the statements up pretty quickly.

[Danny Kelly]

Literally tied for the division lead record and he got fired.

[Danny Hyperson]

What do you think of the Falcons cleaning house?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think the GM thing makes more sense to me than the coach. You know, tiring. Firing Terry Fonteno makes a lot more sense to me just based on kind of like the moves that they've made, particularly at the quarterback position. But I think this is like the way I will say this is. It's kind of instructive. And this is what happens in the NFL. This is something you should keep in mind during the off season coaching GM cycle. The carousel here that we're about to go, go through is it's just so important to get a quarterback. Like, it's the only thing that matters is get that quarterback. Because I went back and looked. Fontenot was hired in 2021, his final season. That was the final season of Matt Ryan's tenure in Atlanta. And then 2022, Marcus Mariota, Desmond Ritter. 2023, Desmond Ritter, Taylor Heinecke, 2024, Kirk Cousins, Michael Penix, 2025 Michael Penix, Kirk Cousins in the reverse order. And basically at no point did they get high quality quarterback play. And they spent a lot of money and a very high draft pick and it didn't work out. And this is just like the story of the NFL. If you don't nail the quarterback thing, you're fucked. You're going to get fired.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, all of the biggest complaints about Atlanta are about the moves they've made. The giving Kirk Cousins the money they did, getting up to drafting Michael Penix, the trading up into the first round and giving the pick to the Rams to get another edge rusher. Like all of the problems with Atlanta have mostly been from a front office standpoint. And it seems like Raheem Morris is a beloved coach from the players. It's like he's only been there two years. You know, that's tough beat for him. And I would love for Pittsburgh to hire him as a defensive coordinator.

[Danny Hyperson]

I agree with everything you guys have said. Basically. I. It's just I would have Kept Raheem Morris fired GM Fontenot.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I.

[Danny Hyperson]

The only thing I'll note is that this consultant they hired, Sportsology, is they have these consultancies which, because GMs don't get hired twice, so they start consulting businesses. One of the partners in the consulting firm they hired is Rick Smith, who used to run the Texans. Rick Smith was considered for the GM job for the Falcons and didn't get it to Terry Fontenot. So they hired the guy to advise them that they didn't hire last time and they told him to fire the guy that got the job over him. Does that make sense? Yeah, kind of funny.

[Danny Kelly]

That makes sense. That makes a ton of sense.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's. It's just like a funny. It's like, did you have to pay for that?

[Craig Krolbeck]

So can we become consultants to have people to tell people who to hire?

[Danny Kelly]

We're basically fantasy consultants. I got last in the ringer league and I'm consulting people on what they should do with their fantasy.

[Danny Hyperson]

There you go. See, that's. That's the.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I'm Rick Smith.

[Danny Hyperson]

Rick Smith. Okay. The. We'll talk and also we're going to talk more about coaches and everything. We're going to have a big episode on Tuesday just covering all the coach firings on everything going on. So we'll have all that. Or, sorry, Wednesday. I don't know. What day is that? What episode? What day is that episode coming out, Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

Tuesday also.

[Danny Hyperson]

By the way, what's our new schedule? We're going three day. We're going three episodes a week during the playoffs.

[Danny Kelly]

Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday.

[Danny Hyperson]

Let's go with that. Or Sunday, Wednesday, Friday?

[Danny Kelly]

No, I think it's going to be Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, I don't know. We'll.

[Danny Hyperson]

All right, we'll figure it out. Three episodes a week.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

Okay. So we'll figure that out.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Good messaging, guys.

[Danny Hyperson]

Thanks. Can you believe they put us on Netflix? It's crazy. So the last NFC playoff thing. So the bears get the 2 seed in the NFC and they're going to host the Packers 7.

[Danny Kelly]

Fantastic. That's just so rock hard NFL love that I couldn't get any better.

[Danny Hyperson]

This is perfect. This is perfect. So, Caleb, so I mean, the Bears, packers, they split the first two games this season and honestly, they both came down to the end. And the first game, Caleb Williams just had a touchdown and he didn't hit it. And then the second game, Caleb Williams made two throws and they won. And yeah, dk, are you as. You as rock hard as Craig for this game?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Hard as A diamond in an ice storm right now. Yeah. This is gonna be great. This is gonna be fun. This is like playoff football. I bet it's gonna be snowy, but it's gonna be cold as hell. I don't know. I. I don't. I honestly have no feel for who I like in this game. The, the packers definitely kind of like petered out as the season went along. I don't know. And they, and they obviously have a ton of injuries right now.

[Danny Kelly]

Let me tell you something. Right now we will be taking Chicago and Ringer 107.

[Danny Hyperson]

Can I put a number on this for you, DK, just in case you have that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Bears didn't exactly finish strong either.

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, let me. Dk, let me tell you something.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hyperson]

So the packers, they did rest their starters today and then they subsequently finished with negative seven net passing yards. So more sack yards than they gained. ESPN's Rob Demofsky at the stat. The packers are the fourth playoff team ever to end the season on a five game losing streak.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay, so I was under. I was understating it a little.

[Danny Hyperson]

Including last year's Steelers. Greg. Wow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They lost five in a row.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't know if I actually realized they have not. The packers have.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So brutal.

[Danny Hyperson]

You remember that game where Caleb Williams had like, he rolled out to his left on fourth down and like he threw the interception to Keyshawn Nixon and like that was the first game the Bears lost to the Packers. They haven't won since then. That was the last game the packers won. They have not won since that Caleb Williams interception to end the game. That was a month ago.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

And they made the playoffs, so.

[Craig Krolbeck]

But you'd actually trust the, the Bears in the playoffs, Craig? I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I do. I don't know why I, I had them way higher than you guys in my ranking. Remember that?

[Danny Hyperson]

But the vibes with Green Bay are tough because Matt Ler openly was like, I'd rather get healthy than have vibes. But yeah, the packers, it's. I don't know. Sometimes you got to see the ball go in the hole and, and we'll see. I. I think the packers are a way more experienced team, but I want to see the injury report. Like the, like everyone's just hurt. I want to see how. I don't know, what are the rest.

[Danny Kelly]

Of the playoff matchups if it's.

[Danny Hyperson]

Keep reading.

[Danny Kelly]

So it's like looking at a menu at a restaurant.

[Danny Hyperson]

Just like so fun. So AFC here. Broncos are the one seed which they.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They had like a very Anticlimactic. The Seahawks are. The Seahawks 49ers like battling it out for the one seed minus. And then you look at like the AFC and it's, it's, it's the, the Broncos just kind of like cruising to the one seed by beating the Chiefs without Patrick Holmes and then the Chargers today without. Or when it with trade lands without Herbert. So you know, obviously this is a very good team. They. This is something else I didn't really realize. They won 13 of their final 14 games. They're kind of like the Seahawks. They're really, really good defense. They have a Super bowl defense. And I think their offense, depending on how it's playing, can be really good or sometimes it can be underwhelming. But yeah, this is like a. I feel like they kind of just cruised into the playoffs and we're not really thinking about them all that much. But this is a very, very good team. Where are you guys?

[Danny Hyperson]

Coach of the year. Champagne. When we Coach of the year most years and he's going to come in sixth. But I mean it's pretty. I mean the fact that he made the playoffs last year when a third of their cap was getting rid of Russell Wilson. Dead money. And there's some of it still there and they're going to be the one seed or they are the one seed is crazy. So they're the one seed and then the next two AFC games here. So the Jaguars at third. Sometimes I just like reading the records. The 13 and four Jacksonville Jack 13 wins. Also the combination of it being the jaguars and it's 17 games and I'm still not yetly used to it. I just want to say that again. The 13 and 4 Jacksonville Jaguars are hosting the 12 and 5 Buffalo Bills and then the other one is the Patriots. The 14 and 3 Patriots are hosting the charges. This Jaguars Bills game, I do want to mention. I think this is quite. This is. I think this is maybe the best game of the weekend. After Packers I. This is Jags Bills. Trevor Lawrence versus Josh. I think, I mean Trevor Lawrence. Dk. Your friend Dante Coplowood's Fleming had this stat. Trevor Lawrence in his last eight games has 19 passing touchdowns and five rushing touchdowns. The only players with those touchdown totals in an eight game span in NFL history are 2019 Lamar Jackson when he won MVP and then Cam Newton. 2015 when he won MVP and then now Trevor Lawrence.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, that's sick. Trevor Lawrence is just on fire right now. The other thing I noticed about the Jags is interesting that Parker Washington finished as their leading receiver this year. Didn't see that coming, both in catches and yards. And so I don't know, man.

[Danny Hyperson]

Second most surprising leading receiver of the season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, the Jags are great. They led the third and turnover. Turnover differential this season. Second in the NFL. And takeaways. 31 takeaways this season on defense, in addition to having like one of the most improved offenses. Liam Cohen's awesome, man. There was a moment in this game where it just kind of was like showing Liam Cohen on the sideline and he's just kind of like, bask. It reminded me of like a general who's like, they're finishing up a battle and he's just like surveying like the destruction. He was just like. He's just watching. He's like, we just fucking dominated. This was a fucking great year. I'm the fucking man. It was great. And then like, one of his, like, assistant coaches came by and like dapped him up. I was like, man, good for him. Great season.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a huge win for everybody involved. Jimmy. Jimmy Stones, the Doogie Howser gm. I mean, it was. It's one of the most inexperienced coaching staffs in a long time with Campanile as a defensive coordinator. Their offensive coordinator, their GM is legitimately 12 years old. And the fact that they were able to pull this off with the bizarre trade up to Travis Hunter, who was basically irrelevant on the season with Brian Thomas disappearing and I know, rightly flopping after what he did last year. The fact that they went 134 is unbelievable. And I gotta say we're going to talk about the MVP odds a little bit later. It's basically just a battle between Stafford and. And Drake May. I don't know why Trevor Lawrence isn't in this conversation.

[Danny Hyperson]

Just do it. Just talk about it now. It's weird. I.

[Danny Kelly]

So right now. So after last week, after Drake May's great game last week, he was minus 650, which is pretty heavy favorite to be the MVP. Then this week, the Patriots basically kick the shit out of the Dolphins. But they run the ball most of the time. So Drake May doesn't have a great statistical game even though they killed the Dolphins. And Matt Stafford puts up four touchdowns against a terrible Cardinals team. And now Matt Stafford has come back like Apollo Ono and he is now minus 160 to win the MVP. What? Looking at it, it's basically a coin flip between May and.

[Danny Hyperson]

I'm shocked by that.

[Danny Kelly]

Trevor Lawrence is 300 to 1 to win the MVP. And I'm like, Trevor Lawrence won More games than Matt Stafford. He's 13 and 4. He won his division. He had more touchdowns than Drake May. I'm kind of like what. He should be equally in the mix compared to either.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Very interesting.

[Danny Hyperson]

I. In terms there's betting markets and this is what I think. I don't think this is a good criteria but it is how it has been done for 20 years. Matt. I don't think a quarterback who's won the wild card has won it and not won the division has won an MVP and it's been 20 years. I think maybe one in the last 25 years.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Rams are the five seed and.

[Danny Hyperson]

I'm not saying that that's a good criteria. I actually think it's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They didn't even win their division but.

[Danny Hyperson]

I know, but that's the. Yes, but that's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean that's. But that is the reality. What Hypers is saying is like that is. That's basically a non starter for.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's what people vote MVP. And I, I actually think the way people vote on this is very silly and I have a lot of problems with the way people vote for this stuff but I. It would be the first time in about 25 years.

[Danny Kelly]

Years.

[Danny Hyperson]

And also the. I agree though the fact that the odds shift. I don't know. There's a lot of stuff at the betting markets that I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

My dad was telling me this too though. It's like if. If Stafford wins it's kind of like a lifetime achievement award type of deal. It's like the Oscars Craig.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's the Tony Star, it's the Robert Downey Jr. Winning for Oppenheimer because it's like you know what? We loved Avengers but we wouldn't tell you because they were making money. So we'll tell you now we love. Those were great flicks you made Robert.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm not going to be upset about it like if she wins the MVP like Stafford was. Staffords here for 46 touchdowns this year. Like, you know what I mean? Like he was fucking awesome. And I know if people are going to complain that he picked up four garbage time touchdowns against a shitty team. Well, the Patriots didn't play a good team all season so you can't really say that that's unfair because the Patriots had the easiest. Had like a historically easy schedule. Not saying Drake May wasn't perfect because he basically was. But they also played nobody. So saying that oh Stafford had four touchdowns against the shitty Cardinals and that one in the MVP I'm like, well Drake May had 35 touchdowns against every shitty team in the league the entire season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, I would, I would not be upset if he wins. I just don't think he will because of like the way that people have voted over the years.

[Danny Hyperson]

But I also, I agree with that, dk and I agree with what you're saying, Craig. There are some MVPs that I actually do get annoyed at and this is probably not one of them. Like if Stafford wins, because I actually think the whole, like, I didn't win his division, it's like, all right, cool. Tell me which of these losses was his fault? The Panthers won. I'll give you that. The Panthers one was kind of his fault. Fault. The Eagles game where they had a.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Game might be a disqualifying.

[Danny Kelly]

I like how you started with tell me which game was his fault?

[Craig Krolbeck]

That one.

[Danny Hyperson]

But the Eagles game where they had a little game winning kick that he orchestrated that was lined up and Eagles blocked it and returned it for a touchdown. And then you, you know what I mean? It's like the Seahawks game where they scored 37 points.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, even if you want to point out the, the, I mean they lost to Mac Jones, I guess you could throw out that game. But the Carolina game, I mean, what, they let him 31 points to Bryce Young? Is that his fault?

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, I mean, look, because the pick. I'm just saying that the rams literally had 5, 400. They had 581 yards and no turnovers and lost to the Seahawks. And I'm like, like, is that Matt Stafford?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think Stafford absolutely is good enough to win the NBA mvp. Like it would not, it would not make me upset if he won the mvp. But yeah, I feel like it's a.

[Danny Hyperson]

Joke on me because I finally came around to Drake May being the MVP like this week and then the odds flipped. I'm like, what the changed?

[Danny Kelly]

I'm perfectly fine each way. I totally agree. It's like it's so dumb. So it's like if Drake may instead of punching in those touchdowns with Ramandre Stevenson and Travis Henderson, if Drake may just threw those one yard touchdowns, does he win the MVP now? It's so stupid.

[Danny Hyperson]

No, I agree. And that's why I think even passing yards, I'm like, I'm okay to fold Drake, Mason, these rushing yards in with. With his pass.

[Danny Kelly]

You know me rushing yards. Matt Stafford had this year. You guys guess five. Oh, like 21.

[Craig Krolbeck]

One rushing yard.

[Danny Hyperson]

Not even plural.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That is so good.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So it's like they basically, they basically Both put together 4, 700 yards roughly. Drake may a little bit more. Stafford had 11 more touchdowns.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Stafford had 131 yard touchdown passes.

[Danny Hyperson]

If I had a vote, I would probably go Drake May and I could. Honestly, I could be convinced either way. And it's like to me it's, it's simple. It's like Drake May. It's like the schedule is bad. Matt Stafford. It's like the surrounding cast is better. The pair. Yeah, the Patriots won more games.

[Danny Kelly]

But I'm like, does that matter to you that this. The surrounding cast is better? Does that factor in? Should that factor?

[Danny Hyperson]

It does. Of course it factors in. But it's like how much of a factor is it? I think the difference with me to Drake May of all that I feel like if.

[Danny Kelly]

If good. If you're. If good skill players should be a factor, then strength of schedule should also be a factor. No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's why I said they're both a factor.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay. All right, touche.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So wait, we did. We started this conversation because you were saying Trevor Lawrence should be in the discussion.

[Danny Kelly]

I do.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We just talked about May and Stafford.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know why Trevor Lawrence is 300 to one and Drake May and Matt Stafford are one to one.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's because it's the Jaguars and it's what he said two months ago. No one gives a. It's right. And also is late. But you're right that because no one had. It's because he had a bad beginning this season and it felt like he was out of it. But you're right, he had one of.

[Danny Kelly]

Drake May this year.

[Danny Hyperson]

If we split it, and I think here's your point, Craig. If we split the award into two halves of a season, the second half of the. Of the season, it's like unquestionably Trevor Lawrence. Like it's not even close. It would be Trevor Lawrence first and it's like probably not close. And then strike main.

[Danny Kelly]

Matt Stafford, he ended the season on eight straight wins. They're 13 and 4.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They won four games last year.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm not saying like right.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean I guess the Patriots and.

[Danny Kelly]

They want like three. I'm not saying that Trevor Lawrence should win the mvp, but I don't know why. This isn't a three headed race is all.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's probably fair. It's funny. Stafford's gonna get offensive player of the year. Probably.

[Danny Kelly]

What a precision. I would decline that award.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's a second place.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, thank you.

[Danny Hyperson]

So Jags. Yeah, we. We didn't. We didn't even mention Jags.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Bills, fun ass.

[Danny Hyperson]

Game kicker. I will Say I want the Jaguars for a number of reasons and I know it's always scary. It's like the LeBron warriors final. Scared to go against the best player in the game is probably Josh. I want the Jaguars for a variety of reasons. They can run the ball and the Bills can't stop the run. Trevor Lawrence is so hot. Hansel. So hot right now. Hansel. But the other one, the Jaguars kicker is out here hitting 67 yard field goals outdoors which is the biggest ever. He has their NFL record indoors and he has the 70 yard field goal in preseason. So they can hit 70 yard field goals in Jacksonville. And Buffalo lost their Matt Prater today who was already their backup kicker. I think I, I half think the Bills are going to sign Justin Tucker this week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Week.

[Danny Hyperson]

Because the Bills, they have no. Who is the. The Bills. Matt Prater got hurt during they, they blew up the jets. It's like 35 to nothing or something but the kicker got hurt in the middle of the game. They need a kicker for a game in six days.

[Danny Kelly]

Signing Justin Tucker nail in the coffin for the Bills.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's kind of what I'm saying. All time bad vibes options here for the Bills.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a, it's a really tricky matchup because like you, it's like you said high Fitz, nobody believed in the Jags. Probably watched a lot of the Jags this year. Probably looking up and it's like the amount of dads that are tuning in for the playoffs going. The Jacksonville Jaguars are 13 to 4 and they're playing Josh Allen. I'll take the Bills. It's going to be very hard. Like the institutional belief in Josh Allen versus like the fucking Jaguars is, will be tricky to deal with.

[Danny Hyperson]

Speaking of which. And then the institutional belief is going to kick in again though when the Patriots host the Chargers and everyone's going to be like, I want the Patriots and I want the Patriots too. They destroyed the Dolphins. I don't know how much you guys want to talk about this, but I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don'T, you know there's a lot that, there's a lot that's gone into the Patriots like, like schedule this year. I just think the Patriots are good though. Like I don't, I, I don't think there's any flukiness to maybe like they won a couple extra games that they wouldn't have had they, if they had like a really hard schedule. But I think they're a legit, really good team.

[Danny Kelly]

I would have.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Does that make sense?

[Danny Hyperson]

MVP and I would have Josh McDaniels as assistant coach of the year. I gotta tell you, it's hard for me to. I would give it all. It's hard for me to not want to do all three variables. Coach of the year. And Josh McDaniels is assistant coach of the year. And Drake Mays, MVP. And honestly, the only Rabel. The only reason I probably wouldn't put Vrabel as coach of the year is because giving them all three sounds ridiculous. But there's so much more prepared than every team. Every week they out coach every team they play.

[Danny Kelly]

They're like Butler or Wichita State or those teams, those like mid majors in March Madness who are like 30 and 2 and you're like, they've played no. 1, but they beat everybody by 20.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They play it as a team. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Then they just, like, show up and skate. They can shoot for it because they're just like, awesome and have fantastic chemistry and know how to play the game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

But. Yeah, you know, I don't know. It's hard. You look at their schedule and I'm like, name their great wins. Buffalo.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wait.

[Danny Hyperson]

Name their great wins, though. Wait, wait. You told me the. Roger Sherman, our former colleague here at the Rigor, had this thing of, like, it's so stupid that the NFC south decides their winner by a tiebreaker of the other division teams. We should find a better system, like a committee of shadowy people to just decide at the end of the season who makes it. Yeah, maybe we, you know, maybe we lose the Patriots out.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It's. Once again. I mean, the Chargers are so beat up and I. It's impressive they won as many games as they did with their offensive line. But I. I mean, I feel I'll be taking New England.

[Danny Hyperson]

Speaking of mvp, dk, watching the Chargers lose today with Trey Lance. Did you edit at all? Think Herbert locked up the MVP today with how the churches look without Justin Herbert.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It makes a difference to have Justin Herbert out there. Definitely. The Chargers are like the team this year. I think they have a blind spot for, like, it's shocking to me they're even in the playoffs. I feel like every time I. Weird. I feel like every time I turn on the. The Chargers, they're just getting their asses kicked. But they somehow won 11 games. They're in the playoffs. They have like a freaking superhero quarterback. But yeah, I just kind of. I feel like I have a blind spot with them for whatever reason. I just feel like they're not very good.

[Danny Hyperson]

Isn't it funny that we're like, who's the mvp. We're like, probably Drake May. I'm like, okay, cool. So what team would have lost the most value if the player wasn't there? Like, oh, well, Justin Herbert. But that he won't get any votes.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I'm sure. I don't know how good the Patriots would have been without Drake May.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The Patriots. Stefan Diggs quietly went over a thousand yards today. You guys. Did you guys realize this?

[Danny Kelly]

Good for him.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Stefan Diggs, a thousand yards. Hunter Henry, 700. Sorry. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it was. Probably shouldn't have brought him up. All right. But I just thought that was interesting.

[Danny Kelly]

No, that's great. That's great.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Good for him. Ramandre Stevenson and Travion Henderson. So Trayvon had 1100 stormage yards. Ramandre had 950. They Travion scored 10 total touchdowns. Ramandre, eight touchdowns. Ramandre has been playing really well lately and he's like doing all the stuff that I thought Trayvon Henderson was going to be like in their offense, like catching wheel routes off the sideline, vertical route touchdowns. He's been really good.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude. This is the year of like two running backs.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

In the play. I mean, in the playoffs, there are so many 1A 1Bs. I mean, Seattle, you have Charbonnet and Walker. Chicago, you have Manungai and Swift. The Steelers have their two guys. The Rams have Williams and Corum. New England's got their two guys. That is definitely like a trend that we're seeing right now.

[Danny Hyperson]

Now the Eagles have Saquan Barkley and Tank Bigsby.

[Danny Kelly]

True.

[Danny Hyperson]

I like, like, picked up Bobby Wagner today. Like it was dirty dancing.

[Danny Kelly]

That was really impressive.

[Danny Hyperson]

That was unbelievable. That was quietly one of the craziest things I saw running back to. I think that was better than any run this year. He just. Bobby Wagner went from going to truck him to. He just picked him up. Just picked him up. That was crazy. That was. That should be the new. Like, you're too small. Should be like, you just pick them up like they're a toddler.

[Danny Kelly]

Is that not literally holding? He's holding. He held him. If somebody said like somebody says hold my baby, that's what he did.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's what teams should do to Miles Garrett.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's cradling him.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Like, if Trent Williams just picked up Nick Herbig, isn't that holding? How's that work?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know. It's in the case studies. Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's like you can't trip him. It's like, why yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just imagine if you could pick up Miles Garrett.

[Danny Hyperson]

Dude, we should talk about Miles. Anything else at the playoffs? Well, obviously, we got time to talk.

[Craig Krolbeck]

About all these games. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

We're talking about. Yeah. A lot of coach firings. Well, we're gonna have, like, a mock draft in depth later this week.

[Danny Kelly]

It's really nice that only good teams are left. I'm happy about that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I say this every year, but it is. It is wild that we're already to the playoffs. These seasons fly by. I swear.

[Danny Hyperson]

I.

[Danny Kelly]

It's one of those phrases that the older I get, the more I start saying them, and I'm okay with it. When people are like, this year flew by. I'm like, it really did.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Really did.

[Danny Hyperson]

I feel like that every year of my life has flown by.

[Danny Kelly]

Same days are long, years are fast.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yes. With that said, Miles Garrett, sack record, 23 sacks. Did it in 17 games. And Strahan was like, well, I did it in 16, and TJ Watt quietly did in 15 games. But. However, I think. Can we all agree to not talk about that because of the fact that Miles Garrett did it in, like, 100 fewer pass rush opportunities than TJY and, like, almost 200 fewer than Michael Strahan in terms of just. The Browns were always losing. No one was actually dropping back to pass against them.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, that was what I was. Yeah, that's what I. That was a great. I think a great way of looking at it is like, man, he did this on the Browns team when they're like, I. I would love to look at how many minutes they were actually winning this year, the percentage of minutes that they played, because that's. That's, like, the best place to get sacks is when your team is leading late and you know they're going to be passing and you could just tee up on them. You see guys get sacks and bunches in those situations. Miles Garrett's out here, and. And honestly, it's like, people who quibble with this record. Highitz, I know you're doing a little bit. I. And I understand, like, your point of view on it, but Miles Garrett is a alien. He's one of the best pass rushers ever, full stop. Maybe the best pass rusher ever. So we can just. Can we just accept that he's, like, awesome, and we don't have to quibble about this.

[Danny Hyperson]

I know I'm a prisoner of the moment a lot, but I do think we actually have just recently witnessed maybe two Mount Rushmore defensive line, at least guys at their position, like Aaron Donald, is genuinely one of the four best defensive tackles ever.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And maybe actually just truly generational.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. Like, I know there's a lot of great D tackles in the past, like two tall Jones and purple people eaters and guys from decades where I was born, but Aaron Donald's actually like, the best guy we've had in years. And Miles Garrett is the best pass rusher since, like, Reggie White.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I've never been more happy when someone retired than when Aaron Donald retired. Just thank God that guy was a.

[Danny Hyperson]

Gamer, by the way. Why is he retired? Just join this Rams team.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Barry Sanders, he's like, I'm done.

[Danny Hyperson]

He lives in Los Angeles. He's still in shape.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Don't start this high. Fitz.

[Danny Kelly]

We.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I do not want this to happen. I don't. Don't.

[Danny Hyperson]

Don't put this out into the world. Like, what is he doing on Sunday? Like, what is he doing next weekend?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Keep his name out of your mouth. I don't want him to get any ideas.

[Danny Hyperson]

I know he'll be at the game. Like, what the is he doing? You can't play 10 snaps.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's probably in better shape than every NFL player right now.

[Danny Hyperson]

Dude, you know me.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just for Fun.

[Danny Hyperson]

All the 49ers. Anyway, so Miles Garrett had the sack.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Record and he earned the out of it. He's. He's awesome player.

[Danny Hyperson]

He. The. I can't believe we're all just using the term get off, but whatever. He had a fast get off.

[Craig Krolbeck]

His get off is unbelievable.

[Danny Hyperson]

The get off is unbelievable. But the play. The snow mo of the play is. It is like a good encapsulation because he just is like, across the line of scrimmage and everyone else has barely moved.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Burrow kind of was like, you know what? I'm not going to get drilled for this. I'll just go down. You can have it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He did the. He did the Peyton Manning.

[Danny Hyperson]

It looked like the farve. No, the far one. The famous one that Strahan got it. And far just went down. And Mark Astino freaked out.

[Danny Kelly]

It looked just like that business decision from Burrow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Fine. Who cares?

[Danny Hyperson]

It's weird. It's a little weird. I don't think it just looks weird.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he knew he was gonna get sacked. And he's like, I'm just gonna get down.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's like, I'm not dying for this.

[Danny Kelly]

You'd do that, too if Miles Garrett was running at you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He High Fitz would try and pick him up. He'd lift him.

[Danny Hyperson]

Can you imagine? Wait, was that this? No, that was last 9k. Remember time. Years fast. Was it this season where. Yes. Oh, my God. I left this out of play of the year when Miles Garrett went around the packers left tackle and he screamed, jordan, run, Jordan.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is that real? Is that that really happened? I don't know if I saw that.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, it's a Stranger Things episode.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He said, so good. Run.

[Danny Kelly]

Run. Run away.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's Jurassic Park.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Run away.

[Danny Hyperson]

Run. Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. That's like you. You guys.

[Danny Kelly]

He's right behind me, isn't he?

[Craig Krolbeck]

You guys never saw.

[Danny Hyperson]

You might.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This is probably too old of a movie, but Monty Python Search for the Holy Grail.

[Danny Kelly]

Of course I have you seen it?

[Craig Krolbeck]

We know when they go and, like, try and attack the, like, the killer rabbit and they come out, they're like, run away. Run away.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, it sucks that. Hi, Fitz. You're like, oh, we got to witness the two best defensive players of the century. Blah, blah. I don't think many of us did witness Miles Garrett. It's like Bill talking about how he's like, I nobody really watched Barry Sanders. You just, like, got to see his highlights or whatever. It was like, you just heard that he had a great game, and then you saw it like a highlight on Sunday Night Football.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know how like, Mike Trout.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I've watched a lot of Miles Garrett because they're in this division of the Steelers, but, like, I don't know how many people actually watched Miles Garrett.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's a good point. And I would like to take this opportunity to solidify an intrusive thought I had, and I would just make it a solid thought and a take that I now believe. I'm angry at Miles Garrett, and I would like to take this moment. I'm mad at Miles Garrett and congrats on your sack record. But Miles Garrett decided he'd rather have $40 million a year from the Browns than merely, like, 34 million and play for a Super bowl contender. And why Miles Garrett re signed with Cleveland instead of, like, he was about to force a trade. He could have gone to got Philadelphia. Green Bay clearly would have parted with picks and the fact that he might have had 25 sacks if he was on a different freaking team that had actually the lead more. And I agree. The fact that Miles Garrett's going to do this whole career and make the playoffs. He's one time because he was like, oh, Andrew Barry told me we had a plan at quarterback. Like, I'm actually mad that Miles Garrett decided that he never wanted to make the playoffs.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm never going to knock loyalty.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I know. I was going to say it's such a double edged sword because, you know, we, you want guys to be loyal. If he, if he would have forced his way out and forced a trade, then people will be talking about him like Kevin Durant or whatever, where it's like you're going to join in some good team.

[Danny Hyperson]

Not from the. Well, no way.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not that bad.

[Danny Hyperson]

Please.

[Danny Kelly]

That's understandable. Also, I'm glad you're talking about trade, about LeBron going to the Warriors. Like I forget who said. There's been like a couple reporters now. To be like LeBron to the warriors makes a lot of sense. I'd rather die than have LeBron going on the Warriors. That's the last thing I want. If somebody was like, the warriors could win a ring with LeBron James, I would say no fucking thank you. That is the last thing I want. Keep him off the Warriors. They should never be together. What are we talking about? LeBron on the Warriors. You kidding me? No.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Why does it buggy so much?

[Danny Kelly]

That's terrible.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Even if it meant you could win a title?

[Danny Kelly]

Absolutely not. I would rather not be a fifth step title if it meant LeBron was his teammate.

[Danny Hyperson]

But don't you like the idea of LeBron having to come to you? Don't you like that a little bit? Slowing his leg, his entire legacy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a good point. Kim crawling to the warriors, begging a little bit.

[Danny Hyperson]

I want the turntables.

[Danny Kelly]

I want what I would like the, the middle there is that I want the report out there that LeBron really wants to go to the warriors. And they say no, that's what I want.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, well.

[Danny Kelly]

And then we go 500 and miss the playoffs.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You just want them to grovel a little.

[Danny Hyperson]

A little gravel.

[Craig Krolbeck]

People were concerned about you today. If it's. I had multiple people tweeting and texting me asking how you're doing.

[Danny Kelly]

Man, what a day for you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I, I, I, Craig and I, our teams punched their ticket to the playoffs. I got the one seed.

[Danny Kelly]

My team somehow had the first pick in their hands. Now they have the fifth.

[Danny Hyperson]

So. Because I know rounds won the Giants, if they had. This is why tanking is so hard. And I get mad when people talk about like November, the Giants, if they had won today, they got the, they won, they got the fifth pick. If they had lost, they would have got the first pick and they blew it. I'm not as mad as I would be or I was a couple years ago because Jackson dart Looked awesome in this game. And Jackson Dart is like the guy. And Jackson Dart looks phenomenal. Which is the only reason I'm kind of like doing mental gymnastics in my head because now it's like the Giants are gonna. It's infuriating because the Giants are now just going to take whoever they were going to take instead of just trading down and adding a first round pick in 2027. There'll probably be top 10 pick next year in a trade. And now they just get to just take a player and they're stupid and whatever. But it's, you know, what.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What was the. What was the. I sent you a stat high fits earlier and it was.

[Danny Hyperson]

Oh, I got it here.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Giants.

[Danny Hyperson]

I tweaked it. Four of the Giants last eight wins have just been in week 17 or week 18.

[Craig Krolbeck]

When they're eliminated.

[Danny Hyperson]

When they're eliminated.

[Danny Kelly]

They basically only win when draft picks are on the line.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, they're the best team in NFL history when they could get the first pick. I don't know if by epa per play there's ever been a better team than the Giants when they could get the first pick.

[Danny Kelly]

They think they're in the toilet bowl. They heard us on the show and.

[Danny Hyperson]

They were like, all right, honestly, the Giants would just be owning the first pick if you could play for the rights. Which again, is how it should be. So the draft order we had the begin. It's so the Raiders have the first pick. Congratulations to Austin Gale here at the ringer. Raiders at the first pick for the first time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Austin fucking earned it. All right.

[Danny Kelly]

He did.

[Danny Hyperson]

You know, you look at the top picks and like, you know, this is about right. It's like the raiders of the first pick, the jets of the second pick. You're like, yeah, the tracks. Cardinals have the third pick. You're like, yeah. Titans have the fourth pick. Giants have the fifth pick. Browns are sixth. Commanders are seventh.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Saints commanders are seventh.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, the Chiefs have the ninth draft or the bank.

[Danny Hyperson]

The Bengals are nine, the Chiefs are 10.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I thought I saw that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The.

[Danny Hyperson]

Or maybe it's a coin flip. Maybe I did it wrong.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought I saw.

[Danny Hyperson]

I'm.

[Danny Kelly]

Look, I don't know how accurate Tankathon is, but they have Chiefs at nine.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I think Tankathon's pretty good.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that's the Chiefs with the ninth pick. I almost think they came into this game today and they're like, I don't care. We're losing. We want a top 10 pick. That is the sacrifice. If Mahomes stores ACL we are going to tank and get a top 10.

[Danny Hyperson]

Pick and the smart team. And then the Rams have. I. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. The rams have the 13th pick in the draft.

[Craig Krolbeck]

From the Falcons.

[Danny Hyperson]

Falcons. From the Falcons.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Great job, Falcons.

[Danny Hyperson]

Which is why the Falcons fired the gym.

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think the jets having the second overall pick confirms that Dante Moore will return to Oregon?

[Danny Hyperson]

Yes. Do you know, I didn't think about that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's so funny.

[Danny Hyperson]

You know what's funny? That's exact. That's what happened. Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning was going to come out and the jets got the first pick. He went back to Tennessee.

[Danny Kelly]

5. 5 million bucks to come back and play at Oregon, Win a national championship. Maybe again. Why not?

[Craig Krolbeck]

By the way, we were talking about the jets and what it's like to be a Jets fan the other day, and I was like, maybe we should talk to Sean. Or Roger Sherman texted me, by the way. He's like, since you were wondering. He's like, there's no feeling in being a Jets fan anymore. I don't feel anything when I watch the games. I just pre assume. I don't get excited when they win. I don't get excited when they lose. I just pre assume all their picks and free agent people are gonna suck. He's like, I just don't have any feeling.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean. Can I read you a couple Jet stats now? Should we get into it?

[Danny Hyperson]

Oh, my God. I have some.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's do the zero interceptions thing. The first team ever. There's. There's a stat going around that's like since 1933. That's just since they started tracking interception.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's from the forward pass. That's just when they invented football.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. No one's ever done it, like, since 1933. Implies that a team in 1933 did this, right? No team has ever done zero interceptions on the season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't believe it.

[Danny Kelly]

Also, they're the first team in the super bowl era to lose five straight games by 23 plus points.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wow. This. See, this is. They just like laid down and they.

[Danny Kelly]

Still didn't get the number one pickup.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, that's how bad the Raiders were, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

Garrett Wilson. We were talking about this a few weeks ago. Garrett Wilson did end up as the leading receiver on the jets this year with 395 yards.

[Craig Krolbeck]

When was the last time he played?

[Danny Kelly]

7. He played in seven games and didn't finish all of them.

[Danny Hyperson]

So I looked this up. I looked this up because I was curious, what. How many. What's the fewest yard receiving yards has ever led a team. Like what's the fewest yards? Like he didn't have 400 yards and he led the Jets. So I looked it up this Chase Stewart at Football Perspective Track this years ago, ironically a Jets fan, which is hilarious. He didn't know that at the time that this would be about the jets, but so he looked it up.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He probably had a suspicion though.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. Actually come to think of it. So Garrett Wilson, 395 yards led the Jets. That is the fewest for a full team since 1982, which was strike season when they played nine games. Ah, before that, that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

It was 1976 and the bicentennial. It's just the 50s and 60s and 40s and it's just like literally before it's like before the merger.

[Danny Kelly]

The jets finished the season with the third lowest passing yards per game in the NFL. Over the last 15 years they averaged 140 passing yards per game. And opposing quarterbacks, we've kind of been tracking this all season. So like we said, no interceptions in the year. Opposing quarterbacks officially finished the year with with a record of 14 and 3. 3,600 passing yards, 36 touchdowns and no intercepts.

[Danny Hyperson]

So can we put those put those two things together. The jets defense allowed 34 passing touchdowns and. And they and were the only teams 36, 36 passing touchdowns. And we're the only team in the history of pro football to not intercept a pass during a season. That's the defense. And then on offense we're the first team to not have a receiver reach 400 yards in a season in 50 years.

[Danny Kelly]

And they didn't get the first pick.

[Danny Hyperson]

And they didn't get the first pick. And then every. They had the most 21 point blowouts of any team ever. Special teams are good though.

[Danny Kelly]

It's been a tough year.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just.

[Danny Hyperson]

And also Sam Darnold won 14 games for two different teams in two seasons. Sam Darnold is as many wins as the jets do in last six seasons combined.

[Danny Kelly]

Cloy Box almost had more receiving yards in one game than anyone on the jets did in the entire season.

[Danny Hyperson]

What did he have in a game? 280.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like 395 or something.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, 395 in a year. I. Dude, I can't stress enough. Also the thing about having 395 is it's 2025, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

395 is crazy to lead the team. And he played seven games.

[Danny Hyperson]

Do you know receiving yards? Jackson, Smith and Jigba had this year, 1790, almost 1800. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I just think it's wild that there was never just like a deflected p. Like you didn't even have to be a real interception. Like a deflected pass. A pass that just like bounced off someone's head and like went up in the air 10ft.

[Danny Kelly]

Scott Hansen was cutting the jets. The jets today. Like when there was a tipped pass, like it was Barry Bonds at the plate.

[Danny Hyperson]

But also, you know what's so funny? It's so clearly their fault. Rogers has made won the division with the Steelers. Sam Darnold's like out here, like just again, can't stress enough the 1 seed in the NSC and was playing to be the 1 seed last year at this exact time.

[Danny Kelly]

Like it's the Jets 14 wins in back to back years. Which by the way, I don't know looking at this now, has it. Has the NFL ever had three teams win 14 games this year? The Broncos, the Patriots and the Seahawks all won 14 games. Have we ever had three teams do that?

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's a good question.

[Danny Hyperson]

I feel like that's never happened before.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think so.

[Danny Hyperson]

Probably, but probably pretty rarely to two seasons.

[Danny Kelly]

It definitely. I don't think it ever happened in the 16 game era. So it would have to have happened the last five years, which I don't know if it has.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't remember either. But that. Yeah, it's pretty impressive, right?

[Danny Kelly]

Three teams winning 14 games.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, maybe not.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Danny Hyperson]

I mean. Yeah, I mean The Patriots won 14 games, didn't get a buy. Yeah, the. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

So ironically The Vikings won 14 last year and also didn't get a buy.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

With Darnold.

[Danny Kelly]

With Darnold.

[Danny Hyperson]

Okay. Other. Do you want to go over any of the like other random stats like league leaders and stuff?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Sure.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah. Quickly run through those.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Celebrate the end of the season.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hyperson]

So the passing. So Matt Stafford finished leading the league in passing yards to like 4, 700 yards. They need 46 passing touchdowns, which I just feel like even though he people are going to argue about the MVP, I feel like 46 touchdowns went under the radar. It's a lot like 46 touchdowns for.

[Danny Kelly]

Matt Stafford, but he had eight picks.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, we were concerned about Matt Stafford playing this year. All we heard was an Airstream in his back and like stupid knee. Worried about Stafford. I mean that was insane. Rush. James Cook led the league in rushing yards. 1621.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Crazy. That's awesome.

[Danny Hyperson]

Derek Henry didn't pass him tonight, Right? I Don't think he did. He had like 50 to go. I don't think he got it. So 1621 for James Cook, which. Remember his holdout? Barely because he was right. And then John Taylor finished with 18 rushing touchdowns which led the league. And yet it's incredibly disappointing because he had 15 touchdowns in his first 10 weeks and then he hit three in the final two months.

[Danny Kelly]

God.

[Danny Hyperson]

Brutal receiving. JSN had 1793 receiving yards, which is one of the 10 most highest marks of all time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wow.

[Danny Hyperson]

He had more yards than Tyreek Hill did two years ago.

[Craig Krolbeck]

See, that's crazy that. Because it. I. I don't know like what the national sort of opinion on JSN is but like he's like he's. Because obviously people love him here in Seattle. But like do people think. Think of him as like an elite guy or.

[Danny Kelly]

It'll probably take a bit. The playoffs will probably help a lot. I think his prime time games helped a lot. But yeah, it usually takes an extra year for somebody to. To kind of reach that level.

[Danny Hyperson]

Even on this show he was just the Shane are we live Waldron guy.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Until like three months ago we did it.

[Danny Hyperson]

We did our boring team. And then I said, should we do him? And he. We decided he was like too boring for the all boring team. We were like, he's so boring.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I think there's a little bit of that with Drake May. Like I feel like all of us are kind of like collectively having to like understand that I guess Drake May is like one of the best quarterbacks.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like elite now out of nowhere. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Which it just kind of feels weird sometimes.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. I gotta tell you quickly, I came to Drake May as mvp. I hope this is long enough for the episode. Bill's not listening. If Bill was listening to this episode, I realized my resistance to Drake means mvp. Yeah. Was because he was a Patriot. And it wasn't because I hate the Patriots, but it was more about like this. This cloud.

[Danny Kelly]

You're only human.

[Danny Hyperson]

And I just. The idea that they could just have another one.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I realized I can't believe they won 14 games again.

[Danny Hyperson]

They won 14 games and I'm like if Drake.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just when you think you're rid of them.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. Like if Drake May was. Did the same thing. But it was the Jets. I'm like, yeah, give the MVP.

[Danny Kelly]

Hi, Fitz. Was it. Did the. Was it the 2024 draft at the Giants won that stupid game against the jets that would have had you the third pick or. No.

[Danny Hyperson]

Tommy DeVito won three games in 2024, they beat Washington twice. And so Tommy DeVito. Sentimental cost us money. And so the Giants would have had Mayor Jaden Daniels.

[Danny Kelly]

Right, right, right.

[Danny Hyperson]

And. And Bill has the audacity to complain about Joe Milton costing the pick last year. I'm like, they got Drake maybe the mvp.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Another notable stat this year that I think kind of flew under the radar is Bijan Robinson led the NFL and scrimmage yards. He had 2298 scrimmage yards, 100. So sorry. A thousand 478 rushing yards, 820 yards receiving. That is the ninth most scrimmage yards in a season ever. I understand. Obviously 17 games. But I mean, he's up there with Chris Johnson. So this is the. The top seasons ever. Chris Johnson, Christian McCaffrey, 2019, Tiki Barber, 2005, Ladanian Tomlinson, 2003, Stephen Jackson, 2006, Ladanian Tomlinson in 2006, Adrian Peterson in 2012, and Edrin James in 2000. Wow. He's up there with like some of the all time great names at running back, so obviously pretty impressive. I mean, Bijan kind of just flew under the radar half the year because what Jonathan Taylor was doing for most of the season, but man, he's just.

[Danny Hyperson]

And Tyler Algier was stealing his touchdowns while Michael Pennix couldn't move the ball.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's fantasy football. Once Michael Penix needed his ACL reconstructed and Kirk Cousins returned from his achilles injury at 36. Then Bijon was set.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, the Tyler Algier complaints earlier in the season didn't really materialize.

[Danny Hyperson]

All right, let's just run through some categories here for old time's sake. I want to steal one from the rewatchables. We just did. We did what? Age the best and I didn't put this in, but I should have, which is Kurt Signetti, the coach at Indiana, his opening press conference saying about what? His pitches to recruits. And he said, I win. Everywhere I go, I win. Google me. And I don't Google me. I don't know if any press conference has ever aged better. This motherfucker destroyed Alabama. Guillotine them like Alabama's the monarch. It was like the French Revolution.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Pretty badass.

[Danny Kelly]

He should have also said, like Google Mark Cuban. Who's. Who's paying your. Who's writing your check?

[Danny Hyperson]

Google Mark Cuban. Anyway. Net worth.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he's doing okay. You heard a fucking shark. Take the Mavericks. Heard of them? Yeah, we're all right.

[Danny Hyperson]

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[Craig Krolbeck]

What you got?

[Danny Hyperson]

I had a few and I want to start with DK the Seahawks. I had an intrusive thought which I kind of think Gray Zable, the guard for the Seahawks should be the offensive rookie of the year.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow, that's fun.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay, so run through the other candidates here. Obviously Jackson Dart was on there.

[Danny Hyperson]

Glad you asked.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They also McMillan very bad year.

[Danny Hyperson]

Tedro McMillan's probably going to win the award and that's stupid and it's just because he got to a thousand yards this week and the kanthar's just because.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He got to a thousand yards. He had a good year.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yes it is dude people, it is just because he got to a thousand yards.

[Danny Kelly]

A thousand yards is a good year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's really good.

[Danny Hyperson]

I think if the Panthers had. If the Falcons had lost to the Saints and the Panthers didn't make the playoffs. I don't think it either was one.

[Danny Kelly]

Like I just like three 100 yards this year and managed to get over a thousand.

[Danny Hyperson]

I get that. I get that. That's fine. But he also Ted McMillan last year would have came in fifth in offensive rookie of the year. It's not a special season. It's whatever Gray's able played 15 games for the Seahawks. Transformed the Seahawks interior offensive line and they won 14 games. They got a first round buy. They Sam Darnold like looked so much better. The whole issue of San Darnold is interior pressure. This again. These hooks destroyed people all year. The running game went from horrific to like merely average. Ish. Or it was an issue late like in the beginning of the year but then got better and better. I don't know. I think Gray Zel is the best rookie in the year. We never give an offensive lineman but this is that one in 50 year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I support it. What. What are the actual odds right now?

[Danny Hyperson]

He's not listed. Fanduel. What the.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He should.

[Danny Hyperson]

He's better as a rookie than Ted.

[Danny Kelly]

We're guards. That'd be awesome that the NFL should sack up and give it to alignment. That'd be sweet.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh yeah, they should.

[Danny Hyperson]

I should start a campaign.

[Danny Kelly]

You should. I like that. That's. That's real football. That's. That's. Watch the tape and it's crazy. Able.

[Danny Hyperson]

Speaking of the Panthers game though, and then their intrusive thought watching the Panthers Bucks game, just torrential downpour. I was like, why don't the refs get jackets?

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh wow, that's a good point.

[Danny Hyperson]

I get why the players don't get to wear a rain jacket but I'm watching the referees soaked and I'm like 60, 70 years old and I'm like they're getting. Why don't you get a rain jacket if it's.

[Danny Kelly]

I'll tell you what, my friend, despite your best efforts, you might have landed on something here. Why don't they get jackets?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I feel like sometimes they wear jackets.

[Danny Hyperson]

Not during that game. They were just wearing their ref outfits.

[Danny Kelly]

They get giant black and white zebra rain jackets.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This just reminds me of the funniest question Skippy ever asked me, which was, do you that are. Did. Are the umpires wearing blazers? Why are they wearing blazers? Why is that a. Is he wearing a dinner coat?

[Danny Kelly]

What is that high. Fitz, I regret to inform you I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do think they have them.

[Danny Kelly]

Gemini has weighed in. Gemini is our Terry McCauley and he weighs in and says that you're Incorrect. I think the issue here. Look at.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't care. Gemini says Google the pictures of the refs and Bucks Panthers. They're not wearing rain jackets.

[Danny Kelly]

Jackets. Well, look what I just sent you. Event hockey league. I think they just make the rain jackets look really, really good.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, wow. I think that's just a rain jacket designed to not look like a rain jacket. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

All right. Well, this guy's wearing short sleeves, but I see your point. They do exist. Okay. All right.

[Danny Kelly]

Depending. Yeah, but I don't know why they weren't wearing those in Tampa.

[Craig Krolbeck]

They just didn't plan ahead. Look at the weather report.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's why they kept missing the fucking calls. Is because they weren't wearing their red clothes.

[Danny Kelly]

They're cold.

[Danny Hyperson]

My other. Do you have any other intrusive thoughts?

[Danny Kelly]

Mine is really not associated with the game of football, but, you know, we're 18 weeks in. 18 weeks of me for 12 hours on Sunday parking my ass on the couch with a laptop on my legs and can't be good for you. The couch was designed, obviously, before the laptop was invented and we haven't figured those two things out. I don't know how to look at my laptop while sitting on a couch, Craig.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You got to get one of those, like, gaming things where you lay back and, like, the screen's like, above your head.

[Danny Kelly]

But then how do I watch the television?

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's what I'm saying. You're. Well, you know, you're watching. You have the screen in front of you on the, like. It's like you're in a dentist chair almost.

[Danny Kelly]

I need the TV and the laptop to be comfortable to look at for 12 hours and I. I don't know how you do it.

[Danny Hyperson]

Stealth recliner.

[Danny Kelly]

Stealth recliner.

[Danny Hyperson]

Stealth recliner. You need stealth recliner with a little pop up thing and like, you need stealth recliner.

[Danny Kelly]

You mean like a lazy boy? You can, like, kick back on. Yeah, that's cool. But a couch. I don't know how you sit on a couch with a laptop for more for.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That would kill my neck. That would kill my neck.

[Danny Kelly]

How do you watch games?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I sit at my desk all day. I'm surprised you guys sit on the couch.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't have a TV in this room. I'm in.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, I. I stream everything on.

[Danny Hyperson]

You sit at that desk all day.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I do.

[Danny Kelly]

You watch. You watch the days. You watch every Sunday just on the computer. Yeah, the hell I watch all the.

[Danny Hyperson]

Screens in front of you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

You're not putting on a television?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No. Well, I mean, I have monitors that are much like televisions.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. What about like Sunday Night Football? Are you moving into the living room?

[Craig Krolbeck]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Concentrating. I'm putting together the doc. I'm doing research.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm getting scoliosis on the couch is what I'm doing.

[Craig Krolbeck]

You're the. You're getting the heat on your thighs. You're gonna burn your thighs with that.

[Danny Hyperson]

I was gonna say I'm trying every.

[Danny Kelly]

Position possible to get. I need like a commissuture for sitting on the couch because I can't figure it out.

[Craig Krolbeck]

If I sit on. If I sit on the couch for five minutes trying to look at my laptop and watch a game, my neck starts killing.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it's underrated that the couch is not that comfortable of an invention we haven't talked about.

[Danny Hyperson]

Right now there are very uncomfortable couch designs.

[Danny Kelly]

I can't sit there for a long time on my laptop. I like, go crisscross, bend over, la. My neck's bent.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It's not designed for laptops.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not. It's not at all.

[Danny Hyperson]

I think this is a good point. I think if there's a chair recliner company that's listening to this that wants to get in touch about a chair for Craig and me.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ergonomic again.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like some people don't have. I don't have room in my living space to add a chair. I have to sit on the couch. So it's like maybe I get like one of those, like, side table, like, TV tray looking things that I got a couple laptops.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's hard.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's the move.

[Danny Kelly]

Anyway, that was my intrusive thought. I was like, I. I'm uncomfortable 18 weeks in.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's good. I, I. Can I give you one other intrusive thought? This is a good intrusive. This is a true intrusive thought. So obviously, you know Maduro in America now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

You know?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And I just was watching Maduro.

[Danny Hyperson]

He's here.

[Danny Kelly]

He looks like Big Cat, kind of. I thought it was Big Cat for a second.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Jesus.

[Danny Kelly]

That's not a bad thing to say. I'm just saying there was just like a moment when he was like, in his, like, Nike get up. I was like, that kind of looks like.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It'S about to host a pod.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, that's a. Yeah. I don't know if he would ever do that for Halloween.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I was about to make some bets.

[Danny Kelly]

But there's moments where I was like, does he not kind of look like Big Cat? Older Big Cat.

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, I was watching the news. They were like, yeah, he's got a court hearing on Monday. And I'm like, I had this interest, though. I was like, so does he. How does he go about getting a lawyer? Like, does he just call? Like, does he just get his phone call and he just calls up a lawyer? Imagine just Kim calling him. Imagine getting that call.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He probably has a lawyer.

[Danny Hyperson]

I know. I know he has a lawyer. I know he has one. But my intrusive thought was like, what if he doesn't have one here?

[Danny Kelly]

He just.

[Danny Hyperson]

Does he just do they call him. Court appointment to call them.

[Danny Kelly]

One can be provided for you. Is that what they're called?

[Danny Hyperson]

Let's get some public. Yeah, Gets the public defender.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

That was way introduced to those. Public defender showed up. Be like, whoa, this is quite the case.

[Danny Kelly]

I have the worst attorneys.

[Danny Hyperson]

That. There's your stupid movie. There's your Netflix movie, Craig. It's like a public defender.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The husband, the wife, if the husband's doing the crime.

[Danny Kelly]

It's called. It's my cousin Vinnie, too. Venezuela.

[Danny Hyperson]

I used a tan can of tuna. I didn't do it.

[Danny Kelly]

It's Joe Pesci right now representing last case.

[Danny Hyperson]

Joe Pesci's last case.

[Danny Kelly]

He's only had two, though. He hasn't worked since.

[Danny Hyperson]

He never got the.

[Danny Kelly]

No, he's been vacationing in Florida this whole time.

[Craig Krolbeck]

How old is Joe Pesci now?

[Danny Kelly]

Gotta be 75. I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, he's more than that. I bet.

[Danny Hyperson]

Someone get in touch with Joe Pesci and tell him this should be my cousin video.

[Danny Kelly]

He's 82.

[Danny Hyperson]

Have you mentioned this on the town, Craig? It's gonna get made.

[Danny Kelly]

All right, that's good. I like that. And then big cat can play him. Done. Oh, it's all coming down.

[Craig Krolbeck]

A little touch of gray.

[Danny Hyperson]

Oh, my God. Before we play the sound drop, do we have a far to Shark to play the sound drop?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, I can throw one at dk.

[Danny Hyperson]

Oh, okay.

[Danny Kelly]

All right.

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, Cam, I always.

[Danny Kelly]

I always got a fart or a shark cooking in the gut.

[Danny Hyperson]

Cam, I told you wouldn't have to play it. But I think you got to play a far to Shark. Just do the button Cam's. Oh, no, it's the lock.

[Craig Krolbeck]

This one's a minute and 30 seconds.

[Danny Kelly]

We need a look. This. This.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's the best one.

[Danny Kelly]

The yacht Rock Varter Shard is the best one, but it is too many.

[Danny Hyperson]

I'm disturbed how good the clanker music is. It's horrific. It's bad for society.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. It's not. We're no longer in the yacht rock era. We're in the clank rock era. Clank rock.

[Danny Hyperson]

Clank.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Clank rock kind of sounds cool. I know.

[Danny Kelly]

God, they gotta go, well, that song sounds cool.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I apologize for clank rocking.

[Danny Hyperson]

All right, what's your fart, Craig?

[Danny Kelly]

I think we have to come right back to Sunday Night Football. Danny Daniel, Baltimore Ravens. Eight, nine this year. Farter Sharp, John Harbaugh, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry. This. This. This run that the Ravens have had, this disappointing run that the Ravens and Bills have been competing against each other to beat Patrick Mahomes and get to a Super bowl, this would have been the year to do it, and now the Ravens are not going to do it. Eight, nine. Fart or shart? Baltimore.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Man, I think it's a. It's a shar. A mini shart. I think they're g. I think John Harbaugh is going to get fired, and I think they're going to clean house and, like, change a lot of stuff. There's already talk that Lamar maybe wants to leave or whatever. Like, I don't know there. It's going to be an off season. It's going to be a weird offseason. I don't think Lamar is actually going.

[Danny Hyperson]

To leave, but unfortunately for Lamar, he's under contract for $55 million a year.

[Craig Krolbeck]

No, I just meant, like, they would trade him, but, yeah, I think it's going to be. It's going to be a transformative off season.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, and with Lamar, he's, I think, the only quarterback in the league where he has actually had a fart or shark during game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's true.

[Danny Hyperson]

He's been there, done that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well played. Well played.

[Danny Kelly]

He said a literal and figurative shart this season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I want to say, Schefter said this.

[Danny Hyperson]

Morning, I don't know what Shifter said about Harbaugh. He also, I believe.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Well, he said, leaning safe. So maybe not. Maybe he'll stay.

[Danny Hyperson]

He also said, what's that graphic say about Raheem Morris?

[Craig Krolbeck]

DK Good question. Good question.

[Danny Kelly]

Leaning safe.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Losing your fastball.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't know for sure if John harbor will be fired. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not saying it like, will happen, but I do.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Ravens fans feel about this.

[Danny Hyperson]

Well, I will. A stat that I had never thought of, but someone sent to me and it's been in my head bouncing around ever since. Like our intro with the little hitting the corner is that no quarterback coach combo that's been together longer than five years without winning a Super bowl, has won a Super bowl, which blew my mind.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, interesting.

[Danny Kelly]

And it's like couples who don't get engaged for. For too long. You know, it's like they're 10 years in. So you're still not engaged. It's over.

[Danny Hyperson]

I don't know if the Ravens need to move on from John Harbaugh. It's one of those where. I mean, wouldn't the Giants and all these teams trip over themselves to hire John Harbaugh and the Ravens? You know, we always start with the Steelers having no head coaches. I believe the Ravens have only had two head coaches since 1996. Like, you know, it's 30 years, and they've had two guys. It's not. I mean, John Harbor's the second longest tenured coach in the NFL after Tomlin. And on one hand, it's a weird thing to flush the toilet. The other hand, I don't know. I mean. I mean, we'll talk about this on the. The next episode, but I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's. There. There's something going on with the Ravens team. There's. And, yeah, I. It's hard to blame the front office and everything. They have a lot of stability there. But I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It does kind of remind me a little bit of, like, the Pete Carol thing, like, where he's just been there too long. Need to move on. Need a new voice in the building. Need new, like, a. Like a fresh philosophy or whatever. But it's just like, man, and. And they've had so many like. Like depressing, like, playoff.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yes.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Failures that it just kind of like, permeates the organization a little bit. It's like you almost need a fresh start. Not to say that he's a bad coach. It's just like, it. It's like the Belichick thing or the Carol thing. It's like, man, you just, like, been there too long.

[Danny Hyperson]

And he's probably a decade older than Tomlin.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, Tomlin's really young.

[Danny Hyperson]

Tomlin's 53.

[Danny Kelly]

He was the youngest coach in the league when he got hired.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's like McVeigh. McVeigh. You know, if Harbaugh goes and Tomlin retires next year, is McVeigh gonna be, like, the second longest tenured coach in the NFL? He's gonna. But also be, like, the fifth youngest? Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, that's weird.

[Danny Hyperson]

Insane. So, yeah. Okay. Ick of the week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, I had one. It was early on in the games. And by the way, this. This early slate The. The. Whatever the song. Been waiting all day for Sunday nights. Never been truer. Like, this was the war first day football. They're both. The morning slate and the afternoon slate were just freaking terrible. But there was a point in the. In the. In the Vikings game early on with J.J. mcCarthy, like, he escaped the pocket scrambled. And then instead of just running out of bounds, he like, lowers his shoulder, runs into the defender, tries to truck him, and then gets in his face, starts talking like, like you can see his head starts to just like, you know, like, going side to side. He gets a flag thrown on him. His teammate comes over, tries to, like, pull him away from the ref. He's getting mad at the ref. And then he like, spin moves away from his teammate, like, almost falls down. I'm just like, okay, I'm out.

[Danny Hyperson]

That. What are you doing, ref? Holding onto his arm like he's a toddler at the mall and he's trying to get away.

[Craig Krolbeck]

It was the biggest ick. And then, like, as he's running back to the. To this, like, huddle, he's like, my bad, my bad. That's my bad. I lost my cool.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm like, turn your swag off.

[Danny Hyperson]

Nine.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Nine came out okay, Hulk. It was just too much. And then he re injured himself in the game, and I'm just like, man, what a design.

[Danny Hyperson]

Has played like nine games.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

In two years.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He needs to. He needs to relax. That's all.

[Danny Kelly]

I feel bad for Kevin O'.

[Danny Hyperson]

Connell. Kevin O' Connell was yesterday if he wants competition for JJ McCarthy, if he's committed to JJ McCarthy's starter next year. And Kevin O' Connell was like, you.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Know.

[Danny Hyperson]

I mean, look, you know, today was JJ Kind of early to say.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

And he just said he let that hang. He's like, this is ten start. I'm like, yeah, it's a ten star. He's got like four injuries. It's like Kadarius Tony level, like, injuries per game is incredible. Any other icks?

[Craig Krolbeck]

There was a point in the packers game when Emmanuel Wilson lost 18 yards on a run and almost turned into a safety. That was one of the worst runs I've ever seen in my life. This was like the. The living embodiment, the football play that embodies week 18, an 18 yard loss.

[Danny Kelly]

There you go. He looked like a punk returner, right? Being like, I. I can save it.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Reverse field like three times. It was like a Russell Wilson sack.

[Danny Kelly]

He's like crying. I could fix it. I can wait this whole week.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, my God. It was brutal. It was brutal.

[Danny Hyperson]

So bad.

[Danny Kelly]

I had a couple x. The Steelers handed the ball off to John who Smith. And I'm like, you know what's an ick? Is just like seeing a tight end lineup in the back. Yeah, get a rush. Don't do that. I don't like that. The second he got the ball, I'm like, all right, he's now the worst running back in the league.

[Craig Krolbeck]

What is this gimmick?

[Danny Kelly]

The is the point of this. He's the worst running back in the.

[Danny Hyperson]

League with the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

And the other ick. I don't know why it just finally hit me, but the way that Rod. Aaron Rodgers stands when the Steels run a tush push. Why does he stand like he's getting a blowjob? Like, what is he doing?

[Craig Krolbeck]

What? Okay, you gotta describe it.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, the king of the world with his hands on his hips, his feet wide, like he's a superhero. Like his cape is blown.

[Craig Krolbeck]

He's getting a blow job.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know why he does that. It's like a pose.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's so true. His answer is pockets.

[Danny Kelly]

He's so proudly, like, stands there.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's defiant.

[Danny Kelly]

It's weird.

[Danny Hyperson]

Maybe it's because his eyes are closed.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Okay, we need you. I need you to send me a picture. I don't.

[Danny Hyperson]

Do you really?

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't. I never noticed it. I never noticed it.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Hyperson]

Because you're on your screens in your office. I can't believe you've ever seen. He just. He stands with his hands in his pockets. He actually puts his hands away.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, dude, he's like, adamant.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Is like his hand warmer.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah, that's okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I mean, I, I, the, the image is evocative. The what Craig described.

[Danny Hyperson]

No, now you need to see it. You have to.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Picture the hands on the hips.

[Danny Kelly]

Why did he do that?

[Danny Hyperson]

Look like he's getting a. Oh, my God.

[Craig Krolbeck]

These are really funny. He does have a wide. He's a wide stance guy.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Wow, that's really funny.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

The hands on the hipstick is too much.

[Danny Kelly]

And that game is from Minnesota. That's the, that's the game in Dublin. Dk. We were there. The photo I just sent you, I.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Just never noticed it. I'm sorry.

[Danny Hyperson]

Stands there and watches. Likes what he sees.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't. I don't know what to do with my hands.

[Danny Kelly]

That's.

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah. My God. All right, well, I don't really think I could top that.

[Danny Kelly]

It's choice. Word choice.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Nobody what's that?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think I could top that. No.

[Danny Hyperson]

Should we. Should we end there? I don't know. I don't really. Worst play of the day. My Max Brosmer fumble doesn't really live up to that.

[Danny Kelly]

That was really bad, I think.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Makes me miss Will Levis poor little bro.

[Danny Hyperson]

Dude, it was like, he. Look. You know that scene in Willy Wonka with Gene Wilder where he's, like, limping and then he, like, does the little thing? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like that. But then he fumbled.

[Danny Kelly]

He tripped on his own teammate, and I think he thought the play was over. And it wasn't.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's. It was. I actually think it was way more embarrassing than the pick six.

[Danny Kelly]

What a season.

[Craig Krolbeck]

We did it. It.

[Danny Kelly]

We did it.

[Danny Hyperson]

We did it.

[Danny Kelly]

Playoffs are here. Crazy, crazy times. Boy, does the NFL season ever feel like it goes by faster to me? It feels agonizingly slow.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Great. It's both grueling like a. Like a marathon, and also goes by very quickly for me because it's like every week we have a very rigid schedule day in and day out that we just, like, stick to every single day, and it just, like, goes by quickly. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to use the word rigid there, but, you know.

[Danny Kelly]

It is a very stiff schedule.

[Danny Hyperson]

It's. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Set in stone, if you will. But, yeah, I. I am looking forward to the playoffs.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, one final thing. Week 18 is Incentives Week, and it's when, like, Adam Schefter has nothing else to do but tweet out, like, random incentives that need to be hit for players to make, like, 500 grand.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Yeah, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

I. I didn't realize how specific some of these incentives could be. I saw one today about Bradley Chubb on the Dolphins. Dolphins linebacker Bradley Chubb has reached thresholds for both playing time and sacks to trigger 5.15 million in incentives.

[Craig Krolbeck]

However, 5.1 mil.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, however, that is 5 million.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's a lot. That's a big ass incentive. Sorry, continue.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no. Yeah, there's a lot of money. However, that is all contingent on Miami's defense finishing in the top 20 in points per game.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

Heading into Sunday's game in New England, they are 21st at 24.1. What the fuck? Did not know they did that.

[Craig Krolbeck]

So he didn't get. He. He didn't get his money?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think so. Because they let up, like, 40 points.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Damn.

[Danny Kelly]

That's insane.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Craig's like, yeah, it's a lot of money anyway.

[Danny Hyperson]

Look at your Agent like couldn't have done 22nd in points per game.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, are you kidding me?

[Craig Krolbeck]

We've been negotiating. We've been going back and forth about this for weeks. They won't go higher than 20 if.

[Danny Kelly]

Your EPA per drop back is better than 0.04.

[Danny Hyperson]

I. I didn't know they did that.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

That's also a lot of money.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

To not get because you finished.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Get a new agent. That's tough.

[Danny Hyperson]

Sucks for Bradley Chub.

[Danny Kelly]

Sorry, Brad.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Speaking of chubs, I was waiting.

[Danny Hyperson]

I was trying to alley. I was like Dwayne Wade with the Christ.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

All right. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you everyone for listening. Email us to ringerfantasy football gmail.com. i can't believe the Rogers. You're right. That's exactly what he stands like. We're gonna have episodes. We'll have all the coach firings that are going to happen and mock draft stuff. We'll do that. And again, we cover the draft. Cover the off season. Stick with us for the playoffs. If your team's been eliminated. Stick with us for the draft, the off season, free agency, all that jazz and the whole off season. Honestly, the show's a little weirder and more fun when the playoffs get going. And yeah, people's on Netflix Sunday. Type in ringer, look us up. It'll our show will be there. You can click. You can hit the set to remind.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Or you can remind yourself for a.

[Danny Hyperson]

Reminder that were there next Sunday. You can watch this on Netflix next Sunday. Do it. Thank you, Lord.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Lord. Thank you, Madonna.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow. Okay.

[Craig Krolbeck]

I don't know if I've ever shouted her out or not.

[Danny Kelly]

Are you a fan of hers?

[Danny Hyperson]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Do you? Not yet.

[Danny Hyperson]

I think she was before our time.

[Danny Kelly]

She was for sure.

[Danny Hyperson]

But like, I knew about Madonna from like League of Their Own.

[Craig Krolbeck]

She was an actress, right.

[Danny Kelly]

I've been saying I think she was before our time. And DK's like, yeah. 65 years old.

[Craig Krolbeck]

That's correct. Craig, what year did she. What was like her first hit? Was it like 80s?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know the answer. Yeah, she's a very 80s artist, I would say.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Life is a mystery like a prayer. Let's see here.

[Danny Hyperson]

Wait. Just like a prayer and like a verse.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Like a virgin was 1984. Yeah, baby.

[Danny Kelly]

You know what's a great song is hung up, which samples Gimme, gimme, gimme.

[Danny Hyperson]

Van Lathan, our ringer colleague, had a Instagram story the other day where he was like, random thing, but if you ever listen to a song, and you just look up the song that it samples. He's like, that song's usually better. And I thought that was, like, statement. I know, but that was, like, really good advice. And I've been trying to do that with songs and. Because you can kind of look it up on Spotify, like. Like what it samples.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

And I'm. It's actually. It's pretty good tip.

[Danny Kelly]

You can really go down like a Tik Tok wormhole learning, like, when you can just go through, like, people explaining songs that were sampled, and it is very cool to hear how they contort them and twist them.

[Danny Hyperson]

There's a whole New York Times article about Sicko Mode. Because Sicko Mode, I think, still has the most writing credits of any song ever. Because it samples 10 songs that sampled four songs is like, I don't know. There's like a hundred people on the credits for Sicko Mode. Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Craig, I read a. Or I saw a video about how Madonna, like, had to write ABBA a letter and, like, beg them because I guess they don't typically license any of their stuff for the most part.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Craig Krolbeck]

And she had to, like, write them an individual letter, like a heartfelt letter to get the. The rights for that song.

[Danny Hyperson]

Jay Z did that for Hard Knock Life, that one where it's like, it. Like, they have Annie.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hyperson]

And he obviously, they, like, you know, late 90s, the people who wrote Annie in the 50s or whatever weren't, like, you know, huge fans of the New York rap scene. So he had. They said no. And so he then wrote them a letter and he wrote this story about, hey, like, when I was like, you know, the. In Brooklyn and like, we. They took us to Manhattan one time. We saw Annie on Broadway. It had a huge impact on my. On my career and my influence, and I really resonated with me. And it's why I became a rapper. Rapper. And he wrote the story completely made it up. It was totally.

[Craig Krolbeck]

God damn it.

[Danny Hyperson]

But they released. They gave him the rights to the song.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Good for him.

[Danny Hyperson]

Good for him. It worked out. Goodbye, everyone.

[Craig Krolbeck]

Foreign.

[Danny Hyperson]

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