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Foreign welcome to the ring of fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyperts and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbeck. For now, Craig is going to go to the Emmys tonight because I guess he's, you know, fancy or whatever. So we're doing this for the second portion of the show will be the three of us and just I'll talk about the early slate of games. Right, Craig?
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Yep. The early slate of early window.
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The morning slate. Yeah.
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The more yay, don't please. And so then, but we're gonna hear right now after this break is going to be Deacon I talking about Sunday football, Chiefs, Eagles, all the other stuff after the early window of games. Those, those four games. And then, then we're going to come back and we're going to have Craig's thoughts in the early games and then. Yeah, Craig, fancy big wig at the Emmys.
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Yes. So stick around. We've got a great show for you today. Ace of Bass is here. Stick around. We'll be right back.
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Of his life without him.
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If he's not, then he should have just been doing this show. But hopefully he's having a fun time. So we are going to go through the four games we recorded with Craig earlier in the day. We're going to go through the four games that happened after that recording. So Falcons just beat the Vikings 22 to 6 in Sunday football. I mean, yeah, there were no touchdowns for 57 minutes and it wasn't because of electric defense. It was good defenses beating the crap out of overwhelmed quarterbacks. Right, D.K.
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Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, obviously talk about J.J. mcCarthy did not have a good game. We are now looking at seven out of eight quarters of his like year so far being pretty atrocious, which is definitely disconcerting. I put down. I took down the stats of outside of last week's first, outside of last week's fourth quarter where he went like unconscious and scored three touchdowns and led the Vikings to come back when he is now 18 of 33 for 214 yards, zero touchdowns, three picks, six and a half yards per per attempt. Everything is too slow. This is, I guess, what you'd expect from a young quarterback coming into the league. And you know, he wasn't super experienced in the first place. I think the ball is just coming out way too slowly. He in the NFL right now. He leads the league in sac rate 20%. He was sacked five times in the first quarter or in the first half alone in this game. So everything is just too slow. There are, I think, concerns about just like how slowly the ball is getting to players downfield sometimes. Like, I don't know, everything just needs to speed up with him. So, yeah, J.J. mcCarthy, worrisome performance in this game, but, you know, obviously not giving up on him right now.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. I'll make them right now. J.J. mcCarthy's first two NFL games, they're supposed to look bad. They happen to be on Monday to football and Sunday to football. Almost never happens. Rookies. But he's not a rookie, so it happened for him. I kind of think of these games were at 1pm Eastern, or some people call it 10am Pacific. If the games were then, we wouldn't care.
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Well, we wouldn't be talking about it nearly as much.
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No. And also, it was like his second game ever in the NFL and he had a baby four days ago. And it's like he missed practice. And I'm like, okay, so he went on Sunday Night Football after missing a practice. He just had a child. Weird week. Having said that, if J.J. mcCarthy is still playing like this in like six weeks, this is an unmitigated disaster.
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Well, especially since they moved on from Sam Darnold in the off season. Sam Darnold helped them win 14 games last year. He threw 35 touchdowns. You know, and obviously Sam Darnold is a veteran who's been around. And now the Vikings are in a situation where they have a team that you think could compete, you know, in the NFC to be one of the best teams outside of the quarterback. Now they're kind of developing their quarterback. I thought he would hit the ground running faster and.
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And I think we all did.
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But it's concerning.
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It's the trap of like, well, Darnold did, so McCarthy did. I'm like, well, we didn't see him play. There's no, you know. But I. And we heard so much about him getting mental reps while he was hurt. It hasn't shown so far. I will say the other excuse, offensive line for Minnesota is really banked up the, you know, left tackle Christian Darriso's hurt. His backup got hurt in this game, so they were in third string. No, that affects T.J. hawkinson ends up having to bl more. It just affects everything. Can't run. Aaron Jones got hurt like Ryan Kelly. The center left the game. There's all those issues. Having said that, the Falcons defensive line's way better. They added the drafted, the two first rounders. We made fun of them for trading up a future first to get them, but they looked like having Atlanta had a pass rush. Yeah, yeah, Atlanta had a pass rush for the first time in forever. It was like they had the most sacks in the first half in 15 years. Like, that's awesome. But honestly, the story of the game for Atlanta is like Bijan Robinson, he's. It's Saquon Gibbs and Bijan. And honestly, I don't think Bijan's third. It's like, I think Saquon just added the lore of the last season is first. Bijan to me, is very clearly like. To me, I think it's like a top three, top four skill player in the entire league.
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Yeah, I think there, you know, just being on this team and you know, the Falcons weren't super good last year. I think people have kind of forgotten how good Bijan is and why he was such a highly lauded prospect coming into the league. And this game, to me was just a perfect reminder of why he was such a high pick and why teams are so enamored with him. I mean, he is just so big, so explosive, so decisive with his cuts. He has a very unique sort of forward, lean style run where he almost looks like he's stumbling. He. He just, he looks. He's like leaning so far forward.
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He's doing the Michael Jackson thriller.
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He just does a unique running gait. But he's so good and he makes such sharp cuts that guys just consistently over pursue it when they're trying to tackle him and he just cuts back against the grain. He's so good, so explosive. The first two plays of the game is like 17 yards and 25 yards and then at that point we're like okay, that's what this is going to. This type of game is going to be. Pennix I don't think really did a whole lot, 13 to 21 for 135 yards but they really didn't need him to do that much.
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Didn't look sharp, didn't need him as much as the Vikings.
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They just were able to run the ball so well in this game and the Vikings couldn't so. And obviously credit to the Falcons, you know where credit is due. They drafted two pass rushers and both those guys played, made impact plays tonight and it's nice to see them finally have a pass rush. So.
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Yeah, no, I totally agree. The other thing I want to just hit on quickly. We talked about this later in this episode with Craig about Joe Burrows injury. I want to just give an update where the the thing we found out since then is actually Joe Burrow going to be out for three months.
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Yeah.
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@ least with his toe injury. At least three months.
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Well that's what the reporting is saying right now. I think, I think there's still a chance he could go and see this special. There's, there's word that he's going to go see a specialist and see what this guy says. But right now the reporting is that he will be out for three months.
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At least when the way this information has come out generally means that it would be three months or more, not three months or less. So Joe Burrow again now he tore an ACL rookie year, two years grade the wrist injury. I mean that each cost him like half a season and now it's like this is going to be three months.
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Of the 31, the comeback player of the year twice he's 28.
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He's going for the three Pete.
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Brutal.
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Real quick now just an update to what we talked about later. Dk, how do you feel about just Chase Higgins, Chase Brown with Jake Browning who played beer pong with us at the super bowl and instead of Joe.
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Burning sunk it on his first try too I think. Yeah, just a baller, just a gamer. I, I think big picture, the Bengals are clearly not as good with Jake Browning in at quarterback. That's like an obvious thing but I think from a fantasy point of view not all is lost. Jake Browning showed last year and in this game, honestly that he can kind of keep things going. He's going to turn the ball over a lot more than Burrow does, but he's willing to turn the ball loose and push it down the field. And so like, I don't. I'm not really, really afraid for Jamar Chase and T. Higgins going forward. Even if Burrow is out, it's obviously less than ideal.
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It sucks.
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And for reality, but you know, Jake Browning can still at least keep these guys alive in fantasy.
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Fantasy football's stupid because Daniel Jones was a 10,000 times better draft pick than Joe Burrow. That's why fantasy football's dumb.
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Brutal.
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Whose fantasy is Daniel Jones over Joe Burrow? Stupid sport anyway. All right, speaking of stupid games. Eagles. Chiefs. The Eagles beat the Chiefs 20 to 17. Chiefs are 0 and 2. DK. What did you make of this game?
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Maybe I just have fantasy brain and that's definitely possible, but this was like such a boring game. Did you have fun watching this game? It was just two ugly ass offenses. The grinding out, it was. It was just a terrible game from both quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, I think, led the team in rushing, led the Chiefs in rushing. And it was just, I don't know, it was one of those games where both defenses dominated until the very end. The the Eagles got a couple of calls that kind of went their way and gritted out a win in Kansas City, which obviously is like impressive. But like from a entertainment point of view, this was not a fun game to watch.
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No, the Chiefs had like three good drives. They had the one with the Mahomes rushing. Touchdown. They had the touchdown that Kelsey turned into an interception, right? And then like just handed Andrew McCooba the ball. And then the last touchdown of Taekwond Thornton. But they never got the ball back. And everything else was pretty brutal.
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8 punt. The teams combined for 8 punts in this game. Jalen Hurts didn't complete a pass. You wrote it down. Didn't complete a pass past 6 yards until 10 minutes left in the game. Basically he was just dinking and dunking. I got a text during the game that like is basically Mahomes just Justin Fields. Now Mahomes is like scrambling around making all these plays. There was one play where he lowered his shoulder and truck stick a defender to get a first down. Led the team with 66 yards and touchdown. On the ground. He missed a. He. He did end up hitting that deep pass to Taekwond Thornton for a touchdown late in the game. But man, There was a couple other plays where he had guys open downfield and he completely overthrew him. It's just so weird to see him so inaccurate on those plays. What?
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I just not to be all like, Gordon Ramsay, like, oh, oh, dude, don't criticize my homes. I'm like, I don't watch the Chiefs to be like, Patrick Mahomes is the problem.
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No, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying these offenses are hard to watch.
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The offenses are very hard to watch. But I'm very jealous of an analogy that Bill made on his show. I forget when he said it that these Chiefs are like, oh, nine Patriots in that the like, they were kind of like between dynastic eras. Like, the Chiefs just had like a six year like dynasty run, three Super Bowls and five Super Super. Five super bowl appearances, three super bowl wins. And like, frankly, they're all just like riding the high of like they traded away Tyreek Hill, stole two Super Bowls, but they just shoestring and bubble gum, that left tackle and wide receiver. And now they're hitting here like Worthy is hurt. She writes, is suspended. Josh Simmons is a rookie whose best skill seems to be running down safeties who are trying to credible play, unbelievable play, low key. One of the best things anyone's done all season.
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I think I saw you reach reached 18 miles an hour on that.
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That was crazy. That was like actually so. That is actually a good reminder of how crazy athletic these guys. That's why it's so hard to play left tackle. Like, why can't they find a left tackle? It's like, because you have to be like 6, 6, 3, 20 and be able to run down an NFL safety. That was sick play. Having said that, man, the Chiefs wide receivers are so beat. And like, I feel like we almost don't talk enough about the fact that who had the bit? Who did we talk so much recently about having the worst NFL receiving core. I feel like we said so much that the Patriots had nobody. The Chiefs are essential players in their Chiefs offense are two different players New England has cut like Juju Smith Schuster and Taekwond Thornton were not good enough to make the New England Patriots just absolute essential players in the Kansas City offense. The thing couldn't exist without these guys. And it's so Kareem Hunt would not be in the NFL. If the Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt. I don't even know if the Texans inside him. I don't think it'd be the NFL. Like, that's a really good point.
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It's funny because I think coming into this year we were excited about the Chiefs because it felt like their offensive skill players were coming together, at least at the receiver position when Rashid Rice is back and when Xavier Worthy is back, like they will have a pretty dynamic group there.
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But Worthy got hurt in the third play of the game and we thought Rashid Rice was going to get suspended September 28th. And then they did it. They did a plea deal, basically.
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But I would say, you know, you mentioned Thornton and Schuster, Smith, Schuster, even with Thornton, his speed, I think he's just so much of a sort of one trick pony. And even with Marquis Brown, who is theoretically fast, he is more of just like the underneath. Like pepper him with short targets and have him run, run around a little bit. Watching the Chiefs offense, they still just look really slow to me. That is like the main thing I notice every time I watch them lately is they just look slow. And so I think that's a huge problem.
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Genuinely. Only employ the slowest and fastest players in the NFL. There's very few. There's nobody in the middle. It's like it's the Kareem Hunt. Pacheco unfortunately is on this list now. And Travis Kelsey are like three of the slowest players that are skilled players in the NFL. And then Taekwond Thornton and Xavier Worthy are like Juju Smith Schuster is also slow as hell. And then Tyquan Thornton and Juju and Xavier Worthy are two the fastest people alive. And there's no one in the middle. And you see it and I just. It's so. It's such a slog. It's so tough to watch. But then, yeah, the Eagles though are weird because they're like watching. They're like a batmobile that like won't start. It's really weird sometimes. And I think there's a lot of stuff with this. Like Kevin Petulloff, he's the offensive coordinator, took over the Seagulls offense. He's probably going to get a lot of flack, fair or not. But basically the idea being that outside coordinators have done well with the Seagulls offense and people from who are like Sirianni's guys, that kind of. Maybe there's a lack of ideas or creativity. I don't know if that's fair or not. But like just Jalen, literally at the end of the game, Chris Jones yelled at Jalen hurts like you didn't have a hundred yards. And Jalen hurts like, shut the fuck up. We won the game. Which is funny. But also. Yeah, just Jalen Hurts at seven. We joked all the time about who had more passing yards each week, Navy or Justin Fields. Jalen Hurts had seven more passing yards than the Navy offense this week. Yeah, and so like that's not the plan. And honestly, 28, a third of it was basically like a Devonte Smith ball that got lucky.
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I saw the stat. Spagnolo blitzed Hertz on 16 out of 25 drop backs in this game, which is the highest rate he's ever done since taking the job in Kansas City. So they blitzed him on, you know, a ridiculous amount of his drop backs and Hertz was basically just trying to get rid of the ball quickly and, and avoid sacks and they didn't do much on offense. What did he Finish? He had 101 yards on 22 attempts.
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Yeah, it's crazy. We have, we have all week to talk about. The Chiefs are 0 and 2. 90% of teams to start owing to don't make the playoffs. It's not like any of those teams had Patrick Mahomes and were super winning teams. However, the Chiefs have won the AFC West 10 straight times. They're now in last place. So I.
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Well, they won 15 games last year. Right.
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Or well, they went. They lost two games all of last season and now they already lost two games.
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So this is, I mean, and the one score.
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They won 17 games in a row winning one score games.
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That was what I was going to say. Shield brought this up and it's so true. Last year the Chiefs in games decided by 7 points or less were 10. And oh, in games this year decided by 7 points or less. Their own too. It's. And it's just. That's why everyone talks about variance. And for the longest time I just believed that Patrick Mahomes is unkillable. You know what I mean? He is just that guy who can lead you back late in the game and execute when it absolutely has to happen. But you know, I think in this game in particular, the Eagles just didn't really let him. Right. Like they just kind of drained the clock out.
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I want to talk about the Eagles and I will. The stat that I want to, I don't understand, I want to acknowledge is the Eagles put this out that Nick Sirianni owns. His record is 50 and 20 which is 71% winning percentage. He. He's passed George Allen for the second best winning percentage by head coach in the super bowl era, only trailing John Madden.
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Yeah.
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And he's the seventh head coach in NIL history to reach 50 wins in 70 games, joining Paul Brown, George Cipher Guy Chamberlain, Chuck Knox, Vince Lombardi, Don.
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Shula, some legendary names there. And then Nick Sirianni. I love that.
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Yeah. Anyway, but so I, I do, I do have to say I. We have to talk with the tush bush and yes, we.
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So have you noticed this before? That this is a thing that they do before? Am I like an idiot?
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A little. But I think today was the most egregious it's ever been.
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Most obvious where the coin was.
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So basically the Eagles are doing the tush push and the tush push. Honestly, kind of. There were two things that changed this game. Travis Kelsey and the tush push. The biggest play of the game was Travis Kelsey just Patrick Mums threw him a touchdown in the end zone and Travis Kelce just. It hit his hands and he hit it off his own face into an Eagles player. Andrew Bakuba ran it like 60 yards the other way and Josh Simon stopped to pick six. But that. And in a four, in a. What was this? A three point game?
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Like, I mean that's. Yeah.
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And that's the whole game.
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That's the type of variance you talk about when, when teams are winning one score games.
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Exactly.
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Sooner or later plays like that are going to happen.
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AJ Brown also, the next drive bobbled the ball that hit his hands. It went straight up. Guess what? The Chiefs couldn't catch it. They like dove and that's the margin. The other thing that changed this entire game was the tush push. Because the tush push ended the game on the final drive. Chiefs couldn't get it back, but the Eagles scored, scored their touchdown on the. On. On like the gate. They got to go. A touchdown with the touch push. The. There's been. People have been quibbling with the formations the Eagles use. It's like the way people line up both sides. Offense defense is just like preposterously not really the way it's supposed to go on the touch push. But the guard, the way football works. And I, I'm going to just say this because I don't know if it's really obvious. The play doesn't start when the quarterback says like hike or whatever. The play begins when the center snaps the ball. The movement of the ball is the beginning of the play.
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Right.
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And the coordination of the offense knowing when they're going to snap the ball is how the offense gets an advantage on a given play. But especially the tush push, knowing the snap count is why it works. The Eagles guards are going before the ball is snapped and it's like multiple times.
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So you know it is 100% intentional.
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For the record, I don't know if it's intentional as much as it might not have to be intentional. As much as they talked about this on Sunday football, snapping the ball when you're the center on the tush bush is ass and like you kind of have to. I, I don't know exactly. It's just they're kind of. Everyone's amped up, man. Everyone's juiced up. I don't know if it's intentional or not. They're all just trying to go. But clearly the Eagles have been getting away with it long enough that it's crept into the routine of like the guards in this game on the touchdown were so egregiously early, Andy Reid could not believe they didn't call false start.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I, it was very obvious when.
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You watch the video, the two guards, the, their helmets dive down below the center before he snaps the ball. And that's like I think critical for how they kind of do their.
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It's un. I think there's going to be like a performative flag on the Eagles next week when they do the tush Push just to be like, no, no, no, like everyone's mad enough about you. Like, don't make this thing.
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It's. It's similar in a different way to like how you, you know how the left tackle for the Chiefs back in the couple of years ago last year. I can't remember when it was getting it. Yeah, getting, getting a jump on the snap and he was lining up like way off the line.
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That's the. Funny you couldn't be more on DK because on one hand this is a totally game changing thing that the Eagles, if they fall started. It would have been fourth and six at the goal line and it would have been a completely different game. However, the last people anyone wants to hear complain about false starts is Chiefs fans. I don't care what you think.
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No one, no one in the country outside of Kansas City gives a. Because the Chiefs are the, the team that every, that the NFL is cheating for.
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Remember literally 30 other teams complaining about this would be received better than the Chiefs complaining about it. Having said that, everyone's kind of getting mad at the Tush push too. I'm still team like. It's kind of funny that everyone's like, it's unstoppable but no one else is good at doing it yet. I'm like, you're just mad they won.
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But look, I've, I've been on record. I love the tush push. I think it's so cool how they've essentially commandeered an extra set, an extra down because they can so consistently convert on third and fourth down. It's just incredible what they're able to do with that.
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I just think it's really funny that people want to ban new ideas rather than like dare like learn how to do them, but whatever. Not my job. I will say. Overall though, Travis Kelsey had a brutal game. Mahomes the Chiefs just don't look good. But again the Chiefs have. They're just in between eras and I think that later when she writes an Xavier Worthy and Josh Simmons are like more veteran could be good.
C
Are you worried that they're not going to make the playoffs at this point now or are you just kind of like wait and see?
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Yeah. Chiefs have two juggernauts coming up, Giants and the Ravens.
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So that's tough.
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Chiefs do have Ravens, Lions left in their schedule stuff. Other games I want to hit here before we get to everything else that happened. Colts, Broncos. I mean, Daniel Jones and the Colts beat Denver Broncos. Colts are two.
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And oh yeah, this is the. This is classic. I love the NFL. You just literally never know how things are going to go. Obviously, I'm kind of a Daniel Jones haters. Hi Fitz. I don't know where you land on Jones these days, whether you think this is real or not, but Danny Dimes was 23, 34, 316 yards and a touchdown. Had another rushing touchdown through two weeks. In fantasy, he's the quarterback three. He has 111 pass rating, which is six best. My take on this. And by the way, Sheil Capadia, our colleague said that the best offense in the NFL based on EPA per drive and success rate right now is the Indianapolis Colts. And they played a damn good defense today.
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I don't think the Daniel Jones actually played that well today. I think the Colts off the Colts are playing really well overall. I think the Colts defense, Cam Bynum I think is the most underrated player in the NFL. Like it's kind of crazy to think that the Vikings let Cam Bynum go the way that. I mean, he's, he's the celebration guy, but he's gone beyond that. I think he's actually one of the better safeties playing right now.
C
You have another good celebration?
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Yeah, he put the ball under his shirt. He got another pick. Put the ball in his shirt. Like the weird. I'm not going to do it. On camera. But the. The. What's with mascots and hip thrusts? Why are mascots allowed?
C
It's provocative.
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Yeah, no, it is provocative. It was very. But so cam by and played great. But honestly, Jonathan Taylor played out of his mind.
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Yeah, he's like the best running back in the NFL, other than maybe P. John right now, obviously, and then Saquon. But he looked electric. 215 scrimmage yards in this game, 25 rushes, 165 yards plus 50 yards on the ground or sorry. And through the air. And a touchdown. He hit 22.4 miles per hour, which is the fastest ball carrier speed since Raheem Mostert back in 2020. And he's like, you know, 220 pounds. He is so explosive, so silky smooth when he gets going.
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The, the other thing that was interesting about this was obviously we were all like, Denver gonna be the best defense of the NFL or whatever. @ least one of them. And the Colt and the whole strength that Denver has. I mean, Patrick Certain was the defensive player of the year, cornerback. They've. Riley Moss, they drafted Johnny Barrett. Like the, like the Colts went at the Broncos quarterbacks. A lot of people throw away from Certain. He did tweak his ankle this game. But the Colts were like, we're bigger than you. They're like Tyler Warren's huge. Michael Pittman's huge. Alec Pierce is not small. And they just kind of were like, yeah, we're just gonna like, post you guys up and. Which is kind of what the. The idea was in theory for a long time, but it was interesting to see it kind of. It's not like they dominated Denver the air, but like, they really. It'll. I mean, the running game was very impressive in Indy and I, I also. The defense, man, the defense looks really good. So, yeah, the Colts, it was really fun. I will say. I have to. We have to say though, the call at the end of the game was the Broncos were very disciplined in saying after the game, no game is about one play. Having said that, hard to find a clear example of the outcome of a game shifting on a call. Because what happened was, if you didn't see it was the game. It was pretty perfect for an issue where the Colts were down two points and attempting a 60 yard field goal with functionally like two seconds on the clock and they missed the kick. Game over.
C
Also, I think they. They did a pretty weird and poor job of getting themselves in position to make a 60 yard field goal to, to win the game. They were like really taking their sweet Time and running very weird plays to get to that point. So.
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And they kind of screw themselves. And so then the refs throw a flag on the. On the miss kick and say, leveraging the. One of the defensive linemen of the Broncos, like, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to use, like, other players as launching pads. Like, you're not allowed to, like, jump on your teammates back and then jump up like a double jump like Mario and try to block the kick. You're also not allowed to jump on top of an offensive lineman and double jump, like a box jump or something. That's not what he did. And you're also not allowed to jump over the long snapper because it's like a safety thing because he has to snap. They didn't do any of those things. The guy who was over the snapper at the last second switched over and then kind of dunked on the guard, but instead of dunking a basketball, he just tried it. But you know, when people dunk, sometimes they kind of like take the guy's head and just kind of shove it under their crotch, you know, and be like. Like, he kind of did that. It was kind of like a little helmet slap of like, I don't want.
C
My ball charge and you jump over him or whatever.
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Well, you know, straight up, you're posterizing a guy and you don't want your balls to, like, get. I don't know. I don't know. I. I don't. You know, I've never dunked. I don't know the. The point.
C
Okay?
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Laughing like, I don't. But you know what I'm talking about. I go to dunk one hand up and one hand on the other guy's head, and they called leverage penalty. That's not what that is. He did not, like, gain a foot by pushing up on this guy's head. He hit it out of the way and it changed the whole game. And then they got him. 15 yard penalty, 45 yard kick. Colts win it, they win the game.
C
I think charitably, it was a ticky tack call. And if we were getting serious, like, it was a ghost call. So, yeah, it was obviously a really, really big deal. I don't even know what to say about these things. It just sucks.
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So the only thing I can think of, and I think that the most underrated part of these calls is there are two different things. There's league emphasis and stuff, and then there's all. The most underrated part of, like, why'd they call that is I want to go back and look at the other kicks in the game is the other team is screaming at the refs.
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He's doing this.
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He's doing this constantly. And you're like, where'd they look at that from? Where'd they get the idea that this cornerback's holding? The receiver has been screaming at the ref that the guy's holding for 58 minutes. Like, that's usually where it comes from. So if right before the kick, Shane Steichen or I guess the Colt special teams coordinator goes up to the ref is like, look, he's been doing this whole game. Look, he's going to jump and leverage. And then the ref's like, damn, yeah, he put his head on the head. He's leveraged. But like, he probably never would. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying that happened. Yeah, it is like lobbying. You work the refs anyway. I'm not saying that that's what happened in this situation. But, like, there's. You never see it. So anyway, that sucks.
C
But brutal turn of events for sure.
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Yeah. Later in the episode with Craig, we're like, we're not sure what the worst, worst ref moment of the week is. That's absolutely it. Last game that happened here in the late window. And then we're going to get to all the early window games with Craig. Cardinals beat the Panthers 27, 22. What a weird game. Arizona's up 27 to 3. And then they almost. They almost turned Bryce Young into Falcon Super Bowl Tom Brady. They almost gave up a 27 to 3 lead.
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I mean, yeah, I think, like, if you're looking for silver linings from. From the Panthers point of view, because obviously the Cardinals, I think, should have won this game and they did end up winning the game. They did enough to win, so that's good for them. For the. For the Panthers. I thought Bryce looked more confident, especially in the second half. Like, he brought them back in the end of the game and gave them a chance to, like, be in the game and gave them a chance to win the. In the second half, they had touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, turnovers on down, turnover on downs to end the game, which was basically. He took a sack on fourth down, which is not great, obviously. Get rid of the fucking ball. But he ended up. Bryce ended up 35 of 55, 328 yards, three touchdowns, a pick. I thought he looked a lot better than last week.
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Do you think I'm being dramatic? Where Bryce Young in this comeback looked on alternating plays, Unbelievable, complimentary and Then unbelievable. Like derogatory.
C
Yes. Yeah.
A
Very few average plays for Bryce Young in this game. It was magical. Or like absolutely, like stomach churning.
C
Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, obviously there's not a whole lot to say about this game for people in Carolina looking for like silver linings. Tim McMillan looks really good. He's the type of player where I've seen enough already. He's going to be a legit player in the league. He had six catches for a hundred yards. He also had a sick one hander down deep down the sideline where he like went around the defender and one handed it, but just couldn't get in bounds.
A
Yeah, that was cool.
C
And it's just funny what I this game I thought was pretty indicative of one thing, which is how important it is to hit on your early draft picks in the draft because Ted McMillan to me looks like a surefire playmaker for them. I could even go far enough to say I think he's going to be star in the league. And then the contrast between last year's first rounder, Xavier Legate, who had eight targets, one catch and negative two yards. And he had a carry that went for for 0 yards. So he had nine touches. Sorry, nine opportunities, one catch, negative 2 yards.
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Panthers took Leguette over Lad B Conkey.
C
Just, I didn't understand the pick at the time. Too raw. Like, you know, I think he was a fifth year senior. He hadn't really done anything until that last year. All the warning flags are there. He's just explosive. So they, I think they got, you know, it was like glitter. They just got.
A
Honestly, I think he's from the Carolinas and I think he's very Carolina and I think that the owner looked at that as a tiebreaker. That's my gut. It's not like information. I think it was close and I think he's a local kid.
C
So the last, before, before Tet, this last year in the first round, they had Legate last year in the first round, Jonathan Brooks, unfortunately, who re injured his knee in the second round. And then the year before that second rounder was Jonathan Mingo. They traded to Dallas.
A
Yeah, you whiff on picks and your team sucks.
C
I just think this is such a clear example of number one, first rounders don't always work out. And number two, it's how important it is for them to work out for your young quarterback. So Tim McMillan. I thought it was a big plus in this game. Even though they lost, this is why.
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The Bengals fell off. Just stopped hitting picks. This is if you ever look at any great team, they hit their first round picks and then when they decline, it's because they stopped. Okay, those were the four games plus the borough news that happened after we recorded with Craig. Now we're going to get to everything else that happened today with Craig.
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This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan. Real United Airlines customers.
A
We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kath and Andrew.
C
I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.
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That's Andrew, a real United pilot.
C
These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.
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Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.
C
That's how good leads the way.
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We'Re here, DK, Craig and I. We are recording. The Giants are actually still playing. They're in overtime right now at the Giants Cowboys game. We are recording with the three of us because Craig is actually attending the Emmy. The Emmys. Because he's like a big wig now. So Craig actually is going to the Emmys.
B
Yeah.
A
So we're recording during the end of these games, and yet I flew back from a bachelor party today, so I actually missed the first quarter of some of these. I missed. I saw most of these games, but you guys were a little more locked in. So we're going to roll through all our categories here. I got to tell you right now. First winner is Russell Wilson. I don't want to jinx it. Oh, he's throwing the ball. Oh, and he just threw.
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Russell Wilson.
A
Is that a fumble?
B
His stat line right now. Russell Wilson for the New York giants. He is 29 for 38 for 455 yards and three touchdowns.
A
I mean he's like, I imagine he's gonna punchers. I feel every emotion possible. This game started absolutely preposterously. I, I, I think who's the, the tackle that had all the. Is it Hudson? James Hudson had 4, 4 penalties on the fir. Was it the first drive of the game which I, I believe my brother texted me. That had not happened in a hundred years. I believe it.
B
How do they know that? I'm surprised they were logging that.
A
I think they said it, I don't know. Maybe made it up. But the Russ I mean so, I mean I can't even keep track of everything that's going on in this game. But so Russell Wilson, the end of this like the fourth quarter literally is by drive. Field goal. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Field goal. That was literally how the game ended. It was like just bombs to Malik Neighbors. But Wanda Robinson like he just. I don't, I, I have never gone 48 hours whiplash from the Giants are the worst team in the league to the Giants going to win the Super Bowl.
B
Maybe.
C
Yeah. This is exactly what we said last week. Russell Wilson still got it. We did not doubt him whatsoever. He didn't go on record saying that. He's done that. It's over. This is classic though because Russell Wilson will suck you in with his deep ball prowess. He's so fucking good at throwing the deep ball. It's just amazing. He literally, he is like the best in the NFL at throwing a deep ball. And that's what we saw today.
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It's too bad because there's five minutes left in overtime and they're tied at 37 and the Cowboys just got the punt at the 40. So they're about to win this game because they have to get like 10 yards and Brandon Aubrey's going to hit a walk off game winner. Which sucks because the Giants probably should have started 14 0, not 6 0.
B
But this is a hilarious Russell Wilson game. Hilarious once. 454 yards once a year. He'll just be fucking incredible and completely blow you away and you'll convince yourself. Could we be something with Russell Wilson this year? Next week he'll probably throw four picks and get benched. But this is vintage Russ and wand.
C
Dale too, by the way. Wanda Robinson 142 yards receiving in this game. Game. The slander went too far with these Giants. I guess every, everything we said about the Giants was wrong. Maybe at least in this game.
B
Maybe Jerry knew what he was doing by getting rid of Micah Parsons because he knew that if they have a worse defense, more high scoring games, higher ratings. So maybe he's kind of like I want to be. I want the Giants to be decent against us so we can actually have shootouts here, get ratings. So maybe that's why they traded away Michael Parsons. Maybe he's playing chess.
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Chess, not checkers. We can come back to this game when they actually. I'm telling you, the copies are going to win this game.
B
The also Brandon Aubrey kicked a 64 yard field goal to tie the game and send it overtime. The ball as it crossed through the goal posts I would say was probably halfway up the goal post when it crossed over this ball.
A
I feel like we've never had more kicking dichotomy because a bunch of kickers mixed missed extra points today. But then other kickers are hitting 64. They get to mess with the balls. Now the ball's juice. Not literally, but they get to the balls.
B
They get to like lubricate and massage the balls.
A
Yeah, they're. They're beating the shit out of the ball. Balls out of the pack. It's like a baseball mitt. It's like leathered out of a packaging doesn't work really well. And so now imagine out of the ball they used to get an hour and a half to beat in a baseball glove basically with the, with the kicking balls now they get a week or really whatever as much time as they want. So now we're going to see the kicking record broke multiple times this year. Dk, who's your winner so far for this week?
C
Well, I got to go Dan Campbell because last week we were talking about how if Ben Johnson comes in and wins this game in Detroit, it's going to look really, really bad for Dan Campbell who. You know, there was a feeling that maybe Ben Johnson was the one who was responsible for the Lions success over the last couple of years. At least a large part of the responsibility for how good they were on offense. And obviously week one the Lions couldn't do anything but they put that narrative to bed very quickly in this game. 52 to 21 over the Lions. The. The. The. Or sorry. Over the Bears. The Lions offense was just electric in this game. I'm on Ross St. Brown, three touchdowns, Jared Goff 23, 28 for 334 yards and five touchdowns. And the run game was going. Isaac Taslav made another one handed catch. Like this guy just all he does is make the most incredible catches you've ever seen in your life. The Brown. The, the. The Lions are going to be just fine is basically the point here. They ran the ball really, really well against, like, a defense that I thought looked pretty good last year or last week, I should say the Bears defense. And so, yeah, vibes are back. This is another example of, I think, where the Lions are just perfectly, like, tuned for playing in a dome on turf where it's fast. This is exactly like, this is their bread and butter. And I think they're, they're, they're just gonna be just fine.
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We talked about on Thursday how this game meant more for the Lions than it did for the Bears, and you can, you could really feel it. The lions were up 45 to 21 in the fourth quarter, and Dan Campbell went for it on fourth down in the red zone and scored another touchdown to a Monroe to get them to 52, which ties the highest score they had last year with Ben Johnson was 52 points. And I feel like Dan Campbell was like, I want to show you that I can score exactly as many points as I could last year. This year, Jared Goff incompletions, five touchdowns. Five different Lions scored touchdowns.
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The only real lines mistake of the day was when golf tried to jump up in the stands and kind of couldn't get there and got like, how it's like me when I try to hop a fence. Like, that wasn't really great. I agree. The aggressiveness at the end of the half, too, was crazy. Like, not crazy. It was smart. But the line is. The lines were only up 7. Like it was 21 7. They weren't dominating the game. They were just winning. And the. They. The Lions were hyper aggressive at the end of the half, like the Isaac Tesla. There was a crazy clock ruling with that that I still don't actually totally understand where you caught it out of bounds, but it was inbounds. But actually they called it wrong. So there was a. Whatever. The Lions just, frankly were playing Madden with the way of like, oh, yeah, three seconds. I can throw. I can do a play in two seconds. And then they got the Amano State Brown touchdown out of it at the end of the half. Like the, the. Yeah, the Lions, they look like the Lions from.
C
Which was huge. I mean, obviously, we hope for that from the fantasy world, but just I think, obviously for Dan Campbell, a little bit of pressure off his back here. And they, they looked exactly like they did last year. And by the way, the Bears offense didn't look good. Or at least, I mean, they, they moved the ball at times, but they had. This was a huge blowout.
B
Yeah, There were moments, you know, they had basically two great touchdown drives on the day. Both ended up with with Roma dunes a touchdowns who looks like the. The kind of number one guy now it looks like he is officially taking over in the receiving room. But there are times in Chicago where these drives look really clean and smooth and nice and it kind of looks like the mini Lions. It's like, oh, these guys are wide open. Roma dunes just like running a crossing route. Nobody's near him and he's in the end zone.
C
It's.
B
You can feel that Ben Johnson just doesn't have everything clicking just yet. But there are moments where you can see it all coming together. Caleb, I thought was fine. I. He had a really bad dumb interception but also a lot of nice throws. And the thing is, is like when Ben Johnson's offense is cooking, I feel like the quarterback doesn't need to be a superhero. It is just Jared Goff sitting in the pocket and hitting open guys and being SM right. You know, and you could see moments of that today that those two Roma dunes a touchdown drives were like, oh, it's there. It's just going to take a while, I think.
C
Yeah, I agree.
A
Okay, first of all, I got to let you guys know. Russell Wilson about to get the ball back, which I can't believe. The Cowboys couldn't get range in overtime. They're going to. I can't believe it's going to happen. 2:50 left. They better not give the Cowboys the ball back. DK loser on the day so far.
C
Well, the Bengals won, but that's mainly because the Jags are terrible. Burrow has turf toe. He burrow is hurt again. This is terrible.
B
Two quarterbacks with turf toe in the first two weeks. Brock Purdy and now Joe Burrow.
C
Yeah, and so he looks like he was in some massive amount of pain. Like he could barely walk. He was limping. Had he. It was a thing where he had to have two guys next to him. He had his arms over their shoulders to like get into the locker room, you know. Turf toe. We've talked about this last year. Turf toad. Sounds innocuous. We need to have some like really scary word for this injury because it's really not a good thing for anybody because, you know, it's a really debilitating injury. It's like very painful. And I think it affects like the way you're able to plant your foot and all that stuff. So this is potentially huge. Browning, I think, actually played okay. He had one really ugly pick. I didn't watch the Game super closely in the second half.
B
He was. He was okay. He had three picks.
C
Oh, sorry. He had three picks, man.
B
Yeah, dude. The, the. The. The Jags losing. Joe Burrow went down in the second quarter of this game and the Jags lost. Jake Browning came in, played two and a half quarters through three interceptions and the Jags lost this game.
A
It was bad at all. Trevor Lawrence had two interceptions, one of which was there was. I think they were inside the 10 yard line and Lawrence had a pass rusher like right in his face. And I get that that's an issue, but he just threw a pick. That is the difference between being a veteran quarterback and being a young quarterback is. Oh my God. Russell Wilson just threw an interception. I'm going to.
B
You know what?
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Whatever, man. Russell Wilson.
C
It was an arm pipe this week.
B
The rustics should be clear.
C
It was an arm point. He threw it way down the field.
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They took 59 seconds off. Unbelievable. Whatever, man. But no, no but Trevor Lawrence is the difference between a vet and a pro is like inside the red zone. Trevor Lawrence just threw a pick like it was like the terrible pick. One of the picks were like a random person in the crowd might have been able to catch it. Like he just lofted it to a defender and frankly in a four point game he just threw away a touch. Like that kind of is the difference. But overall, like the Jaguars, Jake Browning came in just Joe Burrow losing. Sorry. Joe Burrow being hurt kind of cost the should have cost the Bengals this game. And it is incredible. The Jaguars are not able to win. And I will say I made a mistake. On the Friday show I kept referring to the Bengals as 01 because I just kept thinking they had lost.
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It felt that way.
A
It felt that way. And I don't really how ironic is it?
C
So I didn't.
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Talking so yeah he's.
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Never listen to anything I've ever said.
C
That's my bad.
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But the. It's ironic. The Bengals are finally two zero and now Joe Burrow's hurt like. Like what a curse. You know what I mean? It's Bengals fans are like we just want to start 2.0and then you start 20 and now it's like rather would be 0 and 2 with Burrow.
C
This Bengals game is a great reminder of just the emotional swings that we can take in fantasy. Like last week, Jamar Chase two. Two catches, right? And we're like oh God, maybe that maybe this team is really bad. Whatever. Jamar Chase today, 14 catches for 165 yards and a Touchdown just went. Absolutely.
A
I mean, that's crazy.
C
Yeah. There was a bunch of other stuff that happened in this, in this slate that was like, okay, so we could just forget everything that happened in week one kind of deal, but that one in particular stands out. 2 catches to 14 catches to kind.
B
Of stay in that vein. Could we fast forward to fart or sharp? Please?
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Please?
C
Yeah.
B
Is that okay? Okay. Dk.
C
Yeah.
B
Fart or shart? The New York jets offense.
C
Yeah.
B
The jets lost 30 to 10 to the Bills. This game was never close. Justin Fields today. Dk. I don't. Have you looked at the box score high. Fitz or dk? Have you guys looked at the, have you guys looked at the stats?
C
I did. It's, it's worse.
A
I watched more. It's worse than you can possibly imagine.
B
Okay, well then if DK looked. Hyphens. Do you know Justin Field stats for the day? Don't look. What do you think his passing stats were today?
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Honestly, after I, I, I wonder if he had, did he even have 120 yards passing?
B
No, he barely had 20 yards passing. Justin Fields today.
A
Oh my God.
B
Was 3 for 11. He had 3 completions for 27 yards total today.
A
How far into the game did it get concussed?
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Like he played almost all day.
C
Late. It was like third or late? Third, early, maybe fourth quarter.
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Yeah, he played almost the whole game. He was 3 for 11 for 27 yards. And the jets in general, I mean, the Bills last week got shredded on the ground by, by Baltimore. The Ravens ran for 238 yards on the Bills last week. This week, The jets had 154 total yards. Justin Fields, 27 yard passing. The jets only had 100 yards rushing. Breeze Hall, 10 carries, 29 yards. DK Is this which is real, which was the fart and which was the shard? It doesn't really make sense, but you know what I'm asking.
C
This, to me, feels more like a fart. I think they'll be okay. I think that the week one performance was not real. Was not like indicative of what we could expect from them every week.
B
Well, then wouldn't that make this a shart?
C
Well, I think, I guess, yeah. I don't know exactly how, how to define it. I think somewhere in the middle is what the jets are going to end up being where we're not. They're going to get passed for 27 yards in a game every week. But this is probably closer to what we should have, what we did I think expect with Justin Fields. And week one was an aberration. So I guess yes maybe is. Is that does that the definition of of shart then I guess that is.
A
I think the question is far to something that goes away a little bit and shard is like a huge problem that kind of season and shards like a season long problem.
C
I think this is both ends that.
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Prescott just ran into field goal range. The game's gonna end.
B
Yeah, it really sucks.
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Is why the Should I be happy DK get a better pick. Tell me why you get a better pick. Thanks.
B
And you know what's worst is we we bet the stupid Cowboys -4. We're gonna lose still. The Giants are gonna lose and we're gonna lose.
A
We need a word for this. We need a word for when you bet against your team and they lose but don't cover the spread.
B
It's like the.
A
So your team covers the spread but loses.
B
Yeah, that's like the. The bad middle. It's like. Yeah, it's like the upside down.
A
I don't know the void. But yeah, no over. I I think, I think this was really concerning. Honestly. I, I just looked it up. The time of possession was almost 40 minutes to 20, which totally matched the eye test of like the beginning was long Bills drives or explosive Bills plays and the jets couldn't sustain anything. Like I mean they went three and out and then they had a fumble and then a. Like they couldn't. They just. It felt like the jets didn't have the football for. I, I wish I had looked this up but I, I watching the game, I felt like the jets might have had the football for five total minutes in the first half. Like the Bills just every time you turn the game, the Bills had the ball.
B
Yeah. Credit to the Bills for, for coming up with like a much better run stopping scheme but man, this was very, very alarming. And if you I guess sold high on the jets in week one, maybe.
C
Good for you, right?
B
Do you want to stay in farter shard? Dk do you have a farter chart?
C
Well, I think along the same lines because I think the, the theme here is that week one was we. You kind of base you. You get an opinion based on what happens in week one and you think it's going to like be indicative of what goes on the rest of the season. And then in week two you get to throw that completely out. That was the same with the jets, same with the Bengals. Here I want to talk about Zach Charbonnet versus Kenneth Walker because this is going to. I feel like this is going to Be a roller coaster all year long. I just, the reason I want to point this out is not to like shit on Charbonnet, but he had like one of the worst stat lines I have ever seen from a running back. I don't know if I've ever seen anything this bad. And by the way, he picked up six yards on the final drive when they were just running out the clock. So he had 15 carries for 10 yards. At one point it was 14 carries for 5 yards. I don't know if I've ever seen that. And you guys got, you guys kind of made fun of me last week. Cause I was like, I don't know. Kenneth Walker got a little unlucky with the blocking. Like Charbonnet got the Walker blocking today. Like he got hit in the backfield on every single time he touched the football. It was just incredible. 15 carry. He had 14 carries for 5 yards at one point.
A
I would like to acknowledge that you're right about what you're saying. And also this is a very funny thing to say. When the Seahawks beat the Steelers 31 to 17 and basically like made Aaron Rodgers look obsolete today.
B
Yeah.
A
Is that part of you happy about this game?
B
I don't agree with, I don't agree with what? That they made Aaron Rodgers look obsolete. If you watch that game, Aaron Rodgers did not play bad today.
A
I think Darnold kind of played like, what do you guys think? These are your two teams. I thought Donald played like ass. And then they won by 14. What do you, what do you think? What did you think?
C
I would say. Craig, you can go first.
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I think these teams were evenly matched today. And to be honest, Caleb Johnson lost the Steelers the game. I mean, it was a three point game and there was a kickoff into the, there was, there's a new rule at the kickoff. I, I, I don't blame him for screwing up, but honestly, I probably blame the Steelers for having a rookie return kick. That's actually probably the issue. But he screwed up. The ball landed in the, what's it called?
C
The, the hot zone, Catch zone or whatever.
B
Catch zone.
A
It's like pickleball. It's like the kitchen.
B
The kitchen? Yeah. It's like from the 20 to the end zone, if the ball lands in there, it's live. He didn't realize that it went into the end zone. The Seahawks recovered it and it was a touchdown. It went from a three point game to a ten point game and it was over after that. And they, and these, it was, I thought it was a very evenly Matched.
A
It is a wild mistake where the kickoff rules are so new that you actually would think that they would go over this. It's kind of hard to believe. You could not know that this was.
C
This was one of the whole point of the rule where I feel like you. If these two teams played each other 10 times, it'd be five and five. Like Craig, you mentioned it. There was another play, I think, in the fourth quarter where Aaron Rodgers threw a ball into the end zone. It got tipped up.
B
Like it was just bad.
C
Like, yeah, obviously it was bad execution by the Steelers, but it was a lucky pick. The guy was in the right place at the right time.
A
But that was karma though, because the same guy dropped a pick that Rogers put right in his face.
B
Oh, God.
C
Yeah, he sure did.
B
Yeah. Yeah. I just think this game was a bit more evenly matched than I think the score suggests. This was really a one score game going back and forth until the Caleb Johnson thing and then it kind of got off the rails there. But I don't think.
A
What did you make of Darnold today, dk Because I think Darnold did well. They weren't all his fault, but like sometimes they were just like Cam Hayward unblocked in his face. I don't really understand what's happening there, but overall, like, what was the Darnold ride like today?
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I mean, it was a roller coaster. He. This is like. I felt he was pretty close to like the Darnold we have known and loved for much of his career where it's like on one drive he'll make a sick ass throw down the field into tight. Into tight coverage and on the next play he'll throw like a terrible pick, you know what I mean? He had two. Two picks in this game. The first one was a really bad throw that Jalen Ramsey undercut to Cooper cup and made a nice pick on it. He. Ramsey had a. He like a good game and that was a really incredible play.
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Huge hit on Elijah Royo.
C
And then the other one, there was a couple plays this happened actually. And now I'm kind of like, okay, now I see why the Seahawks maybe were a little gun shy to run too much play action. Last week there was like three or four plays where they ran play action and got just fucking blown up in the backfield from like a really good pass rush by the Steelers. So that is always kind of the risk you run when you play Run play action is a lot of times you're booting the guy out naked or whatever and like just subject him to potential big hits and that happened on the other pick. So yeah, I would agree with Craig. I thought it was like a back and forth game. Two teams that again I think pretty evenly matched and the ball just bounced the Seahawks way a couple times and that was kind of the difference in the game. So I wouldn't like react too much this game any certain direction. I think it's obviously a really good win for the Seahawks though.
B
Sam Darnold. Doesn't Sam Darnold feel like a Seahawks quarterback? Like it feels right. You know, he's, he's perfect.
C
The same old shit every year.
B
It's the Kevin Clark like the Steelers or the Seahawks don't play normal games or whatever like. But Darnold doesn't have normal games either. So they're, they're kind of a perfect.
C
Funny because everyone was just so happy to get rid of Gino Smith. Everyone is like way over, you know, that's rash or whatever. That's not true. Not everyone is happy. But there's a huge contingent of the Seahawks fan base that just really wanted to get rid of Geno Smith because of the back breaking turnovers. And then we get fucking Sam Darnold to fix that problem and he just makes two back breaking, potentially back breaking turnovers in this game.
A
But speaking of which of those Seahawks quarterbacks and stuff, I will say I have to note the Giants lost this game. The Cowboys Brandon walk off field goal 40 to 37. So brutal.
C
So I guess we'll wait on that extension for Russell Wilson. I will say one last thing I want to say about the Seahawks game. Number one, Kenneth Walker looks fucking electric. Number two, Jackson Smith. And Jigba has raised the level of his game. I think he looks incredible this year. He had, he was playing all over the formation. He caught a deep pass on Jalen Ramsey late in the game that I believe set up a field goal for the Seahawks. I can't remember. And he just looks awesome. He just really, really looks like he's turned into a true number one receiver this year. Not that he wasn't last year but you know, I just think he's taking his game to a new level.
B
There's also a little bit of like the pass it to the Italians in Seattle.
C
Yeah.
B
Where it is kind of Jackson Smith and Jigba is the clear number one. Cup had a good game today. Seven catches, 90 yards. And it's, it is kind of just the two of them I think in Jigba's like kind of a lock as a top 10 receiver for this year going forward, but it's just kind of the two of them and then everything else. There's like a few tight ends here and there. Tory Horton caught a touchdown, but it seems like 50 to 60% of the targets every week are just going to go to those two.
C
Yeah.
A
So the I am become death Oppenheimer word for player who went nuclear. We mentioned a Monroe St. Brown who again had 115 yards and three touchdowns. And as of right now, he's the number one we mentioned.
B
We mentioned Chase as well. 14 catches, 165 yards.
A
Malik neighbors, nine catches, 167 yards, two touchdowns. Just I mean a crazy game. And you also mentioned Roman Duny at 128 yards and two touchdowns. Didn't mention Wand Robinson, 140 yards and touchdowns. Just hilarious. But DK, outside of those guys, which we talked about, anyone else for Oppenheimer today?
C
We gotta shout out James Cook. I remember in the off season we were talking about how regression is going to catch up with James Cook and he's just not going to score a league leading whatever it was, 16 touchdowns this year. Maybe he will. He had 21 carries, 132 yards and two touchdowns in this game.
B
I think that's my new thing is anytime a player scores a ridiculous amount of touchdowns and nothing changes about the team, I'm just going to assume they're going to do it again.
C
I will say Cook looks amazing. Some of the runs that he makes. He's like speed skating through the defense. Almost like the way he cuts and accelerates away from defenders. It's, it's just incredible to watch. He's a very, very explosive slippery runner.
B
I don't think people think of him that way, to be honest, in the same way that we said, you know, Marvin Harrison Jr. Probably wouldn't have been drafted where he was had his name been Bob Smith. I actually think James Cook is suffering from the opposite effect where I think people think he's less good because he's Dalvin Cook's brother. And they, they almost think he got Nepoed into the NFL.
C
Right.
B
But in reality he's great. And if he had a different name, if his name was he's a Skarsgard.
A
Brother where it's like you're like ah, Nep, damn, he's actually pretty good.
B
Yeah, like I wish he was at Dalvin Cook's brother because on his own he, he has earned his, his reputation as a great running back, I think.
A
Do we ask the question is, is it Actually, is. Is. Or how close are we to Dalvin just being James Cook's brother?
B
It's. It's.
C
Wow.
B
No, Dallin has a good year. Dalvin was great for a while.
C
We.
B
We need to see it for three more years for James Cook.
A
I'm just saying. The long, winding touchdown he had were that one of the jets players kind of caught his foot and then accidentally, like, redirected him into a completely different direction. Like. Yeah. Propelled him 270 degrees. And then he, like, was like, oh, this is all empty space. And then he scored. That was pretty amazing play.
B
We don't have a category for this. It's. But it's like the opposite of the Oppenheimer Award, and I would like. Like, we call it the Floppenheimer, but you.
A
We should do that. That's great.
B
Yeah, the Floppenheimer. I would like to point out that the Ravens today scored 41 points at home against the Browns.
C
You know, is it going to be Derek Henry stat here?
B
You would think if you didn't watch the game, you were out on getting lunch or. Or breakfast, and you come home, you're like, wow, great. I have Derek Henry and The Ravens scored 41 points at home.
C
They led the entire game.
B
He had 11 rushes for 23 yards. And this is the weird Derek Henry experience. He also fumbled again. They recovered it, but, dude.
A
Yeah.
B
If an alien was watching football today for the first time, and I said, tell me the worst running big fucker.
C
They keep handing the ball to, there's.
B
A chance the alien is like, get that guy off the field.
C
He's so comparable.
A
100%. Yeah. And I guess again, again, when Derek Henry gets hit before the first 3 yards or 12ft of line of scrimmage, he looks like the dictator, the statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled. Like, he just looks like the complete, like falling in a square.
B
He looks like they, like, they, like, handed it off to a tight end because all the running backs were hurt. Yeah, that's what he looks like sometimes. So he had 23 yards. He literally.
A
He looks like he's been, like, lassoed at his legs. Like he's getting hog tied. You know what I mean? Like a red dead redemption.
B
So, you know, you never know. It's. It's. It kind of can be brutal.
C
Fantasy. So fun. I love fantasy.
A
The one thing I want to say, though, about that Baltimore game was a couple things, I think after this slate were our thing. DeAndre Hopkins is a thing. DeAndre Hop like the Ravens offensive with Lamar and Derek Henry, and then, like, it's going to be so hard to not get DeAndre Hopkins one on one with a cornerback of their choosing. And it's very clear that he's not going to be some eight catch a game guy. But DeAndre Hopkins, I think pretty clearly still like an S tier jump ball receiver, like one on one in the end zone. And it's, I think that could be game changing for Baltimore this year.
B
He's like a relief pitcher or like a closer where you kind of just only need to have him run down the sideline into the end zone and take like four shots a game. And he's like good and savvy.
A
He's like when a baseball team gets an incredible eighth inning setup, guy, they're like, he doesn't have to be the closer, doesn't have to be. But like, you know, it's Derek Henry, you got Lamar. But Hopkins is. That's a great call, like being a reliever. The other thing I want to say about Derrick Henry though, just overall about the slate, the Titan, obviously Thursday night, Tucker Craft, Zach Herz went off. There was so much fantasy, entropy, to today though, where it's like Juwan Johnson had touched. Otherwise, the tight ends so far that have touchdowns are like AJ Barner, Luke Farrell, Brock Wright, Jeremy Rucker, Davis Allen. Like there were a lot of touchdowns today that were just fucking wasted into the ether. They were all either like your first or second round picket receiver or tight end. I feel like nobody else like necessarily even scored.
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A
It's so over. We're so back.
B
We're so back. Well the, the, the Miami Dolphins today were, are drunk. We're. We're oscillating back and forth between we're so back. It's so over. But I will say there was a moment where Tyree kill caught a 45 yard pass with his back to the end zone like he was fielding a punt from Tua and he caught it and it was the first 30 plus yard catch Tyrese had in a in a year. Literally 12 months. And we're back. Tyreek over 100 yards. Waddle caught a touchdown. Devon HN had what almost a crazy end of the game, game winning touchdown.
C
So brutal.
B
He stepped out of another great game. Tua was kind of not good. Had a terrible, terrible pick. And I think the Dolphins are, are awful still and yet they can kind of move the ball.
C
Yeah, if we get this type of performance from the Dolphins in the fantasy, like we'll be fine.
B
Yeah.
C
But man, the Dolphins really blew this. Tua had a 4. It was like a 4th and 8 or 10 or something like that to late late in the game and he just took a sack to end the game. I'm like, dude, throw the football, dude.
B
Can't do that on that Hn drive where it would have been a touchdown. Whatever it was. The play before, I think it was third and 10 and he was rolling out. Nobody was open. He just ran out of bounds.
C
Yeah.
B
And There was like 50 seconds left in the game. I'm like, I don't know. Well maybe wait maybe do something also.
A
Just the interception that went right. Interception was unforgettable. Was like that was that. I mean at least the Trevor Lawrence one. That was right to a guy. There was a guy running his face. But I just the two it that pick was one of them. Like old school. James Winston. Like I actually wonder if he doesn't know which color the jerseys are. Like is he colorblind or Lasik or something?
B
Do I get to feel vindicated for sticking with Tyreek and Waddle in week two? Do I get that?
A
Sure. I don't get to tell you how you feel. You don't have to go to Marie for validation. Do you feel, do you, do you feel vindicated?
B
Well, you had a touchdown waddle 68 yards and a touchdown. Tyreek 6 for 109. I. I feel vindicated. Yeah, I do.
A
You thought about that?
C
What are you going to do next week?
B
Well, unfortunately, honestly, if, if the Dolphins scored that game winning touchdown to Achan, I think I would have felt much more vindicated. But the fact that the game ended with such a fart, I, I feel less vindicated. I do think this offense will be able to do stuff like this this season.
C
I do.
B
I do feel that way. Tua just needs to be better.
A
Yeah, that was really bad debut. Well, Mike McDaniel also not long for this world, I think debut ball award for the player maturing in front of our very eyes, Craig Oriole.
B
I would like to shout out once again my guy, Cam Ward, who they lost another tough game. They've had a brutal stretch, Broncos and Rams. But Kim Ward is starting to do some things that look a little Mahomes. Ian, I'm not even close to saying he's Patrick Mahomes, but he is doing. First of all, he kind of moves like Mahomes. He's kind of top heavy and he kind of tiptoes around and he does this weird like falling over, underhands it to people. But there, you know, that's a scale. On the, on the good end of the scale, it's Patrick Mahomes. On the bad end of the scale, it's Will Evans. And Cam Ward is, has not made any mistakes while doing these crazy things so far, which is impressive. He also had, I think the best play of the day, the best throw of the day to a touchdown to Elik IO Menor, who I would also like to throw in the debutante category.
C
He looks good.
B
Yeah, I just think these two guys are for real and I think the two of them and Calvin Ridley and I think, I do think Ken Ward's really good and I think he takes sacks and he, he holds onto the ball too long. He tries to play hero ball and stuff like that, but he makes a lot of incredible plays and you, you can just tell he has a feel for the game that is, that is rare.
C
I, yeah, I was excited about the performance overall. I obviously again, they played a really good Rams team and this Rams team, I mean offensively just couldn't be stopped. And so they were playing from behind much of the game. But overall, like you Got to be encouraged. I think I owe Anor looks like pretty legit, especially for a fourth round rookie. He just was. He plays strong. He had. I'm trying to picture it. He had like a really good moss catch where he like one handed it as he was going out of bounds.
B
Over and he had that crazy touchdown. I can't.
C
And the touchdown. Yeah.
B
If you haven't seen the touchdown, that.
C
Was a. Yeah, that was a broken play where he got open too.
B
And that's the thing you're not supposed to do as a quarterback is you're not supposed to throw across the field. He's rolling out to the right and he. He throws it across the field left. An absolute nuke. Right on the money to IO menor in the end zone. It is one of the better plays.
C
You'Ll see in a while, I think. Talking about the Rams, Pukinakua went absolutely off today. Nakua had a 45 yard rushing touchdown. This guy is. He's just such a unique player. Just the size, physicality, just brutal, brute, brutal injuries every week and he gets back out there, peels himself off the turf and keeps going. Yeah, yeah. 45 yard touchdown plus eight catches for 91 yards. Devonte Adams had a big game.
A
You called it with Devonte where you're like all the touchdowns are coming. Matt Stafford tried everything humanly possible to get devonte Adams a touchdown today and it got it. It had a weight. But it's so clear that I think Devonte is Stafford's guy in the end zone right now.
C
So I don't know. This was kind of like, you know, meaningless game, I guess because we know the Titans aren't very good, but yeah, overall liked what I saw from. From Camel Ward and I really like what I'm seeing from the Rams in terms of just passing it to the Italians.
A
Worst play of the day.
B
I think I'm gonna give it to Caleb Johnson screwing up the kickoff, to be honest.
C
Oh yeah, that was tough.
B
I mean I do think legitimately that cost the Steelers the game. I don't know if they would have won, but they would have had a shot had that not happened.
A
The Cowboys given up the Giants touchdown at the end. I know the Cowboys won. I don't think it's worse than the Caleb Johnson thing, but it kind of amazing the Giant. The Cowboys allowed those two touchdowns. Kind of hilarious actually.
B
I know Wando getting behind the entire defense is. Is pretty shocking.
A
Oh my God. Russell Wilson threw a moon ball. I know it was going to happen.
B
What else is he going to do is Wanda Robinson good?
A
I think he's better. I was right. He was tough because he's a, he's a smaller player and he tore his acl. And I think that he's the epitome of a player that if you don't have that like crazy agility at that size, it's kind of hard to win. He looks way better. I mean the Cowboys game last year, I thought Wondale was frankly a huge liability. And this year, obviously, I mean this week, obviously he was. I mean he had 140 yards and two touchdowns. Like Wanda was pretty great. So he looks like way better than frankly probably looked the best. He's looked as a, as a, as a giant because he seems like he knows the offense and is healthy again, which is great because that was the second round pick.
C
This is not the worst play of the game or the week. But Mark Andrews caught a touchdown and then got it punched out.
B
Yes.
A
That combined with Henry fumbling again was like, I'm glad They won by 30 because the Ravens really needed that. That was crazy.
C
People, people are frustrated, to say the least. With Mark Andrews who had one catch for two yards.
B
Yep. I, yeah, it's a problem.
A
He had it. It was a good play.
C
I mean it was a very good play by the defender for sure. But man, just hold on to the fucking football.
B
Last week we, we burned Jalen Waddle. Right. Jaylen Waddle's our week one burn book. And then of course he went on to score a touchdown. Mark Andrews, I would say, is the front runner.
C
Oh, easily.
A
No way.
B
You don't think so Burn book. Week two, he said two catches in two games.
C
That's not. I think it's fine.
A
Yeah, we'll decades Mark Andrews. All right, well, we don't hate it. The only other thing I want to throw out for worst play of the day is one offensive lineman being flagged four times in one drive in a game they lost by three points.
B
Then he got benched and he fought. He was fighting everybody on the sideline.
A
He's not ideal everybody.
C
He was really. Oh yeah.
B
Malik neighbors was like they were all in there. He had a big scrum. He was like pissed. Yelling at people.
A
Yeah. Stadium pulse of the week.
B
Yeah.
A
And again, if you don't know stadium pulse, it's the meter in college football. 20 for the new video game where like the field goals get harder the bigger the moment is. So it's like an extra point is nothing if you're playing a team from the Mac. But if you're trying to beat Bam at the, you know, in the SEC championship game. It's going a thousand miles an hour. Stadium Pulse of the week. We have to go to college football. Note. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Notre Dame was playing Texas A and M, and Notre Dame scored the touchdown to go ahead by seven late in the game. And they missed the holder, dropped a perfect snap. Dropped it. So they don't get the extra point. They go up six instead of seven, and then they, like Texas A and M goes down and just scores a touchdown with zero seconds or like 13 seconds of the clock. And Notre Dame loses. So Notre Dame is 02 to start the season because this holder dropped the ball. With the game online, that's why they.
C
Say you gotta, you gotta. That's like forcing people to, you know, do execute everything that is involved with a kick. It's actually kind of hard. Like the way that the. The speed at which those snaps come out, like, it's amazing to me that holders don't miss the ball more often. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it doesn't seem like a easy catch necessarily. So doing that. That job was always hard. I remember Pete Carroll used to always say this, like, because the Seahawks won some incredible games. There was a game. There was a playoff game in the Pete Carroll era in Minnesota where it was like the coldest game ever. And I think it was. I can't remember who did it. Jason Myers? No, it was. So it was a kicker that actually ended up coming to the Seahawks later. But anyways, he missed a chip shot field goal to win the game in the playoffs. And Pete Carroll at the time was just like, so I would make you do it. You got to execute the snap to hold the kick. It's not that easy.
B
Speaking of kickers, so the Niners cut Jake Moody, who they took in the third round of the draft because he was terrible. They sign Eddie Pinero, who comes in and misses his first field goal.
A
That was. It was an extra point.
C
Logs. It's like 20 needed logs.
B
Yeah, truly, truly a nightmare. Also, we should say sticking with the Ners, Mac Jones, Mack. 280 yards, three touchdowns, no picks, played great. I mean, sure, I guess it was the Saints, but on the road, Mac Jones just came in, played good football, and they won the game and looked solid. Like now, I think looks like one of the best backups in the league.
A
And how many games in a row would Mac Jones have to win for the Niners Until Niners fans didn't Want Brock Purdy to start when he came back. Because obviously if he went. Well, I'm saying if Mac Jones went undefeated this season and won the Super Bowl, I don't think Brock Purdy would play next year. So the question is, how many games would he have to win? Maybe.
B
I. I honestly, even. I think if he went 8, no, people would still want Purdy. Purdy wins.
A
Yeah. Yeah. All right. So maybe even Nick Foles got to give the job back. I'm just. Yeah, maybe.
B
I think Matt Jones was going to get to the Super Bowl. I think.
A
I think he does not want Purdy.
B
Yeah. He might even have to win the Super Bowl.
A
Fans are losing it. No. Yeah. I mean, look, it's. Yeah. Kyle Shannon made a bad quarterback into a really good quarterback. Shocking the Arthur Smith Sean Hockey award for coaching Ref to piss you off today. Any other. Any coaches or rest to piss you off. Dk.
C
I'm trying to remember. I don't. I don't. Nothing comes to mind.
A
Craig.
B
The. The Jags, you know, there. There was some. I don't know if you guys. Dk, if you watched a lot of that game, but there was a lot of jawing going on between Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen. There was some. There's a little bit of. A little bit of Brian body language stuff going on. Some throws going over Brian Thomas's head. He's kind of walking off the field with his head down or. Or shaking his head. And there was a play late in the game where the Jags are down three. It's fourth and five, and they're in the red zone and they go for it and they don't get it. And they're down three and Jake Browning is on the other side. He's already thrown three picks. They could have kicked the field goal, tied the game with like under 2 minutes to play or something. And they. And they go for it. And it was some terrible slant to Brian Thomas. It didn't work. And thought it was a very bizarre choice for how good the Jags defense was playing against Jake Browning and how many mistakes he was making.
A
I think the logic is that you want to make Jake Browning Go 95 yards.
B
I guess. I guess.
A
But the Jags look sloppy.
C
Yeah.
B
Again, it's 4th and 5. I mean, if it was 4th and 2, I'd understand, but I don't know.
C
Brian Thomas has. He had 12 targets, four catches, 49 yards, which kind of like builds on what we saw last week.
B
Last week he had one catch for a touchdown.
C
That was. It had One run. He. It wasn't even a catch. Yeah. Didn't he, like. It was like an end around or something, so.
A
Yeah, that.
C
That connection. They need to figure that out. The one positive I would say from this game, ETN looked good again. And then Bishell Tutin scored a touchdown where he broke a tackle and squirted out and looked really explosive. So, I mean, they're running.
A
What was that?
B
Squirted out?
C
Yeah. Ejaculated through the line, if you will. No, I think he looked pretty good.
B
I do think he looked good. I think Tootin's gonna be a thing.
C
Yeah, same.
B
He might be more of a thing than Travis Hunter, who had three catches for 22 yards. And I continue to just kind of think that he's like, this is.
C
This doesn't age well. But I meant to bring this up on the Friday show. I saw somebody tweet this. It was like somebody called Travis Hunter expensive. Wandell Robinson.
B
Yes.
C
Wanda Robinson had a great game today.
A
Except unfortunately, Travis Hunter is a long way from having as many yards in his career as Wandell did today. So.
C
They'Re just like, throwing in these little.
B
Should we start doing. Who had more fantasy points this week, Wandale Robinson or Travis Hunter? See how many weeks Wondale wins.
A
Well, Kyle Pitts hasn't played yet. It's Sunday Night Football, so maybe, you know, maybe we have to just for right now, two receivers who outscored Travis.
B
Hunter to lie second overall pick on Wanda Robinson.
C
Oh, man.
B
Three catches, 22 yards for Travis Hunter.
C
Yeah, I think he only played, like, 60% of the offensive snap, so. Yeah.
B
And Jamar Chase had 16 catches, so.
C
I don't know.
A
Lucille Bluth. I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. You know, Travis Hunter just being Wanda Robinson. That's pretty good. Obviously, Wanda Robinson, 142 catches in a touchdown.
B
There was a lot.
C
I mean, Derek Henry, Zach Charbonnet, completely the bed. Getting hit behind the line every freaking time. God, that was so brutal. Also, can we mention real quick, Quintron Judkins came in and played and, like, started for the Browns today. So we were obviously. I want to say I'm sorry. I was very wrong on that. I thought that they would at least take a few weeks to get him up to speed. It's like he signed a few days ago, and then now he's, like, starting for them.
B
And I. I actually thought he looked pretty good.
C
Yeah, he looked good. He. He broke some tackles, you know.
A
Do you think practice is overrated? Do you think that maybe guys shouldn't practice at all for running back?
C
It's probably overrated.
D
Yeah.
A
There you go.
C
All right, good. So I was wrong. I just wanted to, you know, admit that, but I. I expected it would take a while for him to get on the field.
B
As a. As a non player, I feel comfortable saying practice is overrated.
A
There you go.
C
Talk about practice.
B
Burn book Mark Andrews.
C
I think so.
B
What the fuck?
A
He should have had a touchdown. Grant Del Pit made a play ball.
B
What are we talking about?
A
It was a forced if. If the Ravens actually, John harbor came really close to challenging that play and I kind of wonder if they would have won because he had possession for.
C
Like a 0.1 nanoseconds.
A
Because it's kind of like. Yeah, it's kind of like at what point can you knock the ball out? That it's a catch, basically. If it were in the field to play, would it have been an incomplete? Sure. Forced fumble. And it's. I don't know.
C
You don't really know, but yeah. Yeah.
B
Mark Andrews has seven receiving yards in two games. And once again, if you were out to lunch with your buddies today and you came back and you. And you thought to yourself, I'm going to start Mark Andrews again. I'm going to stick with him. It was a bad week one. You check the box score. Oh, my God. The Ravens scored 41 and Lamar Jackson threw four touchdowns. One catch for two yards. People aren't. I'm telling. They're not starting it next week. I'm not starting him next week. He's dead.
C
DeAndre Hopkins, two catches, 64 yards and a touchdown.
A
Tez Walker. Tez Walker had two touchdowns.
B
I think it is going to be very tough for people who have Mark Andrews to play him next week, especially because there are a lot of tight ends on the waiver wire. Like we should say, Juwan Johnson had a sick touchdown.
C
Yeah.
B
And I think Joanne Johnson is good. I just think he's. His number is gross and his. His name is not sexy. And people. He's on the Saints. But I think Juwan Johnson is good at football and there are a lot of Kyle Pitts. I think people are going to start over Mark Andrews next week.
A
So the passion in your voice makes me want to. Makes me think it has to be Mark Andrews.
B
I'm willing to hear some other.
C
No, I agree with Craig fully. I didn't want to be the one to, like, do it just because I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but yeah, if you.
B
Have any other suggestions, if it's.
C
I'm.
B
I'm open.
A
No, I think Mark Andrews is like.
B
Harold Fannin had another decent game today. It's like you're starting Harold Fanning over Mark Andrews. I don't know.
C
You can start in Joku and Fanon over. Over Andrews right now.
B
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough out there.
C
You know who else had a good game? Jake Ferguson. Nine catches, 78 yards. There's like. Yeah, you have better options out there at this point.
A
Okay, fine. All right, fine. We'll burn Mark Andrews. There you go. Yes.
B
This is. We're so back. We've burned Jalen Waddle and Mark Andrews.
A
Yeah, we are back. We're back in form.
B
Yeah. Maybe that should be a tattoo. All the people in the burn book the year before, you probably shouldn't draft them.
A
You probably should put it like that. It's probably a good idea when you say it. Okay, I think that's all we have for right now. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Emails for real Fantasy Football. Gino, email us trivia questions for Monday. Waivers and trivia. Email us fantasy court cases, anything you need litigated in your fantasy group chats, anything people are yelling about. We'll do fantasy court on Wednesdays. We also have our weekly previews on Fridays. Yeah, I think. Follow us on Instagram Ringer Fantasy Football on TikTok. Subscribe to us on YouTube. Ringer Fantasy Football. Thank you, Lord.
C
Lord. Thank you, Ace of Bass. Nice. I saw the sign. Yeah.
B
Yeah, we should have seen the sign. Mark Andrews, week one. That was the sign.
A
Well, it's tough because Isaiah likely is like, not playing. And so it's brutal that Mark Andrews.
C
And he's like, coming back this week, I think, or next week.
A
It's pretty brutal.
B
I'm. Well, this is kind of in reverse. Like, this is out of order when we're taping these because the top of the show is going to be just the two of you. But you'll be taping after. We're speaking right now, but it'll run before. So I'm very curious how the Chiefs Eagles game goes and Sunday Night Football. I will look forward to listening to you too, Craig. I'll be watching on my phone.
C
Yeah, we need a report on the Emmys as well.
B
Yeah.
C
I implored you to wear your tuxedo on this show and you did not do that. So I'M a little upset.
B
No, I'm not wearing. I'm also wearing a suit, not a tuxedo, but I'm about to change into it right now. Okay. Yeah, I'll let you guys know.
C
Have fun. Thank you.
A
So Monday, we'll get an Emmy's brief debrief from you on Monday. Is that fair?
B
Yeah, because we will be taping Monday night after. Probably not after both games. Probably in the middle of the second game.
C
We still need to decide later.
A
I might personally refuse to record after the end of Raiders.
B
I think that's actually totally fair.
C
I'm actually going to refuse as a father. We're not doing the.
A
Couldn't handle the East Coast. You couldn't handle the east Coast.
C
That's why I live on the west coast.
A
That's not why you live on the west coast.
C
Yeah, it is. It's because I don't want to stay up late.
B
Hi, Vince, have you received more emails after your rant? What have the emails been like after your. Your rant that went on?
A
Mostly supportive.
B
Yeah.
C
Okay. How was the bachelor party, pal?
B
Yeah, Was that fun? I feel like the listeners are now. Well, I think the listeners are now, you know, involved since they heard 12 men barge into the house while you were recording.
A
You guys really want to know?
B
Yeah. Was it a good time?
C
Now I'm a little nervous. I don't know.
A
It was a great time. Okay, that's good. Is in someone's one of the guys who's on the trip. His family has like a lake house. Actually, they have two, like the two. His dad and his brother has like two lake houses next to each other. It's amazing. And so we were able to go out and just. It was really fun. It was really cool and it was an awesome time. And then my friend Mike and I want to shout out my friend Mike because if you have kids, maybe pause. I'll give him 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. If my friend Mike is listening, fuck you. You're awful. He's the bachelor. He's the one getting me. He's one of my best friends since, like fourth grade. And he thought it'd be funny to do like an Olympics thing and not tell us what the events were. Now if you hear an Olympic style event at a bachelor party, you think like beer. You think like drinker, right? He. We got in a van and went to a local like, based, like a park and we did athletic events.
C
Like, you. You went and exercised.
A
So he put. Me and my friend Jackson pitted us against each other in a 100 meter dash. 100 meter challenge. And I would you run.
C
Would you run that in?
A
We both.
C
Are you willing?
A
Both got. No, there's. I don't care about the time. We both got hurt. He went down like a sack of bricks 20 yards in and had dual quads. Like quad cramping. I turned to look at him and I'm like, I'm quad. As soon as I turn to watch him, my, my hamstring pops. And I no, like something about being full speed and then turning to watch him crumple like a sack of potatoes. I then pop my hamstring. Watch that before.
C
After you cross the finish line.
A
Oh, I wait, no, I won. He collapsed literally to the ground. And I then. But I limped him. I, I limped over the line. I caught. And people. Everyone thought I pulled up. So I kind of just kept it to myself for like an hour.
C
And then Ross St. Brown thing. Did you guys see that?
A
Yes. That was the worst play that I've never seen. Someone so scared the shit out of me. Yeah. He's like, oh no, I'm hurt. And he's like, just kidding. And I'm like, dude, that's tempting the football also.
B
Jared Goffer sure thought he was hurt.
C
Yeah.
A
Yeah.
C
He was like.
A
I'm like, that's. That's the most like tempting fake thing I've ever seen. But yeah, so I pulled the hamstring in a fucking bachelor party because I dared go full speed at 30 years old. But I just don't, you know, my. Yeah. And I, you know, but it's like we just showed up and I'm. And he was like, we're doing it. I'm like, oh, it's this bachelor party. It. I'll do it. And stretch.
B
What was the pregame warm up?
A
I tried to stretch. It was like 10 minutes of stretching. I'm like, that's. I was like, how was that? If you're not. Look, there are runners and there are not runners. If you're not a runner, when's the last time you really went in a full sport?
C
I can't remember.
A
Like sustained.
C
I don't, I don't remember the last time I fully sprinted.
B
I play basketball so weekly. So I guess that's sprinting.
A
So I played. Yeah, I played tennis. I played basketball. Even basketball. I feel like I have never reached even in a basketball game. My 100th percentiles. Not even saying that's fast.
B
And thank God. Because thank God.
A
I would probably kill someone. But yeah.
B
So how hurt is My answering. How do you feel today?
A
I think it's going to be, like, a month, man.
B
I don't know. Really?
A
I don't really pull hamstring. I think it's the lowest grade there is. It's like, yeah, it is. No, it's like defcon where it's, it's the high. Sounds low. I think it's like, the lowest grade.
C
DEFCON 5.
B
Are you, are you a. Do you jog? Do you run? Like, are you going to be able to do that or.
A
No, no, I, I, I lift, which is certainly on pause for weeks.
B
What do you mean? What about your upper body?
A
Well, yeah, I mean, I think you can do. Yeah, upper body stuff. I think my leg presses are probably on pause for the foreseeable future.
B
Wow. Did anyone else shoe sucks?
A
Oh, just me. Well, my friend Jackson. I mean, he, you know, he tumbled, but no, a lot of the other guys are runners, but no, it's not funny. And. Yeah. And you know what? You feel dumb because I want to be mad at Mike, but I'm mad at me because, like, why did I do that? But I kind of decided in the moment, I'm like, all right, well, what if I can just run 100 meters as fast as I can and it's fine. Let's just find out. And I found out really quickly.
B
Is there video of this?
A
Believe it or not, no. Which is a stunning oversight by everyone else there. But I wasn't gonna remind them. I also told everyone. I was like, I'm gonna get injured doing this. I actually was like.
C
Yeah, yeah. The odds were always very.
B
Humans sprint very rarely.
A
You're right.
B
Like, there is not, like, a true.
A
Like, as fast as you possibly can run. I'm like, even on, like, a tennis court, I'm like, you don't really get to full speed.
B
There's enough space to get to full speed sprinting and tennis, but you burst.
A
Like, even in a basketball thing. Like, how often are you really, like, like, the DK Metcalf, you know, chasing down Buddha Baker in the game like that, you know, like an actual, like, mo's from the office, running as fast as you can. And, like, as soon as I got to, like, my. Whatever, the fastest I can go is, and I turned, like, a millimeter. My body's, like, done.
C
I very genuinely do not want to know what it would look like if I tried to run right now. Like, it's better not knowing that feeling.
A
Yeah, I agree. Ken confirms better not knowing.
C
Yeah.
B
Oh, I'm sorry.
A
I thought this would Be a funnier story. You feel bad for me, which is worse.
B
No, I don't. I think it's really funny.
C
Just the thunder and clopping for my fits.
B
I like that you like you trying to do, like, the most 1% athletic move possible, which is just turn around while running, and you do.
A
I was sprinting.
C
Right.
A
But yeah.
B
Yeah. Would you have beaten him? Were you faster than him? You think?
A
I was. But also, I like. I. I just should. You know what? Who cares? Did someone win? I wish I just been a dick. But isn't it kind of a dick move to, like, the guy who's his bachelor party and he's like, I want to do this. And you're like, nope, I. I won't run a hundred yards.
B
Who won? Who won gold or how? How did you know we were the.
A
Only ones who did 100. Other guys did. Like, some people got to throw a frisbee. That was just the one. He just designed. People discus. Someone's. Yeah. I was like, it's unbelievable. So I was, yeah, we got hurt. And everyone else was like, yeah, let's just stop.
B
So we didn't finish. Were you all sober, or did you guys drink before?
A
No, sober. It's the worst part.
B
Damn, it sucks.
A
And then they did a home run derby, and I'm walking. That was fun. I go to a park, and they just were just cranking homers, and I was just like, we should swing a baseball bat.
B
We did a home run derby at my bachelor party, and I like, pulled like, I threw out my back swimming so hard.
C
Carlos just pointed out, by the way, that we do have a video of me running.
B
I forgot about that.
C
We.
A
I.
C
We on the treadmills. We ran at the Super Bowl. That was a little scary, I will say. And I was, well, treadmill scare tread.
A
I don't have the treadmills.
C
You could just, like, topple very easily.
A
Foot. Eye coordination to be like, oh, yeah, I'll just run on a treadmill really fast.
C
It's like, really loud and vibrating and stuff.
B
Weren't you wearing, like, jeans?
C
Yeah, I was wearing jeans and, like, slip on shoes.
D
God.
C
I didn't bring workout clothes.
B
That was like a Holiday Inn in Detroit. Where were we?
C
No, New Orleans.
B
New Orleans.
A
It's a Super Bowl.
B
Yeah.
C
Yeah.
A
All right. So, Craig, you'll give us the report from the Emmys tomorrow? We'll do after.
B
Yeah, I'll let you know if I win. I'm not nominated for anything, obviously.
A
2. Monday night, you'll tell us the whole spiel and why you're there and everything. We have to two Monday Night Football games. We'll go through waivers and all the waivers and people you got to add to replace Mark Andrews. And then, yeah, if anyone can help me with my hamstring, email us at Ringer Fantasy Football gmail dot com. That'd be great. Other bachelor party injuries, I'll take bachelor party injuries, I'll take really Hamstring recovery would be great. Thank you.
B
All right, ice it, elevate it, heat it. I don't know what you need to.
C
Do, so thanks for nothing.
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Episode: Week 2 Recap: Burrow’s Toe, Daniel’s Dimes, the Russaissance, Detroit Is BACK, and Eagles–Chiefs Sucked
Date: September 15, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
This Week 2 recap delivers a wild, in-depth review of another unpredictable Sunday in the NFL through a fantasy football lens. The trio break down late-game heroics and collapses, major injuries, breakout and flop performances, and why fantasy football "always makes you feel dumb." They talk Joe Burrow's latest injury, the Russell Wilson resurgence ("Russaissance"), Daniel Jones’ shock value, the surging Lions, and why the Eagles-Chiefs game was (surprisingly) hard to watch. The discussion is peppered with their signature wit, memorable quotes, and indignation at everything from blown ref calls to cratering fantasy lineups.
[01:35] – [06:42]
“Seven of his first eight quarters have been pretty atrocious… leads the league in sack rate—20%, sacked five times in the first half alone.” – Danny Kelly [02:01]
“It’s Saquon, Gibbs and Bijan. And honestly, I don’t think Bijan is third… To me, he’s a top-3, top-4 skill player in the entire league.” – Danny Heifetz [05:23]
“He does this unique running gait… guys just overpursue and he cuts back, he’s so explosive.” – DK [06:15]
[06:59] – [08:36]
“Joe Burrow is going to be out for three months. He’s going to the specialist, but it’s looking bad.” – Heifetz [07:10]
“I’m not really worried for [Jamar] Chase and [Tee] Higgins… Jake Browning is willing to push it downfield, just ‘not all is lost’ fantasy-wise.” – DK [07:55]
“He’s going for the three-peat [Comeback Player of the Year]. Brutal.” – DK [07:43]
[08:47] – [20:54]
“This was such a boring game… Just two ugly-ass offenses grinding it out. Both quarterbacks were bad.” – DK [09:01]
“The Chiefs offense is essential players who weren’t good enough for New England. That’s a problem.” – Heifetz [11:22]
“They only employ the slowest and fastest players in the NFL—nobody in the middle!” – Heifetz [13:27]
“Not saying Mahomes is the problem, just hard to watch.” – DK [10:47]
“Jalen Hurts had seven more passing yards than Navy’s offense this week.” – Heifetz [13:43]
“Eagles’ guards were so egregiously early… Andy Reid could not believe they didn’t call false start.” – Heifetz [18:45]
“Sirianni just passed George Allen for second-best winning percentage by a coach in the Super Bowl era…” – Heifetz [16:36]
[32:28] – [35:18]
“This is vintage Russ… once a year he’ll be incredible and convince yourself, ‘could we be something with Russ this year?’” – Craig [34:47]
[36:30] – [40:24]
“This puts to bed the Ben Johnson narrative—Campbell’s Lions put up 52.” – DK [36:30]
“The Lions looked like themselves again, just playing Madden with clock management.” – Heifetz [39:07]
[21:33] – [24:48], [22:47] – [23:17]
“He’s now QB3 in fantasy through two weeks.” – Craig [21:33]
“He hit 22.4 mph… fastest since 2020, and he’s 220 lbs. So explosive, so smooth.” – DK [22:47]
“Hard to find a clearer example of a game shifting on a call... a ticky-tack/ghost leveraging penalty awarded Indy another shot at a game-winner.” – Heifetz/DK [25:48]
[27:44] – [30:42]
“Alternating plays, [he was] unbelievable, then stomach-churning.” – Heifetz [28:33]
“Ted McMillan looks like a surefire playmaker… contrast that with Leggette (8 targets, 1 catch, -2 yds).” – DK [29:08]
[53:36] – [55:13]
“That’s crazy.” – DK [43:26]
“He’s speed-skating through the defense. Seriously explosive.” – DK [54:30]
[55:58] – [57:09]
“If an alien saw Derek Henry today, they’d say ‘get that guy off the field.’” – Craig [56:27]
[43:45] – [48:27]
“Worse than you can possibly imagine.” – Craig [44:07]
“14 carries for 5 yards. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that.” – DK [48:23]
[62:21] – [63:59]
[75:00] – [76:35]
“Seven receiving yards in two games. People are not starting him next week. He’s dead.” – Craig [75:00] “You have better options at TE on the waiver wire at this point.” – DK [76:16]
On Joe Burrow
“He’s going for the three-peat [Comeback Player of the Year]. Brutal.” – DK [07:43]
On Chiefs/Eagles Game
“This was such a boring game… Just two ugly-ass offenses…” – DK [09:01]
“Jalen Hurts had seven more passing yards than Navy’s offense this week.” – Heifetz [13:43]
On the Chiefs WR Group
“The Chiefs offense is essential players who weren’t good enough for New England. That’s a problem.” – Heifetz [11:22]
On Lions' Statement Win
“The Lions were just playing Madden, being super-aggressive and trusting their offense.” – Heifetz [39:07]
On the “Russaissance”
“Vintage Russ… once a year he’ll just be fucking incredible and you’ll convince yourself.” – Craig [34:47]
On the Jets Offense
“He barely had 20 yards passing. Justin Fields: 3 for 11 for 27 yards.” – Craig [44:22]
On Derrick Henry
“If an alien saw Derrick Henry today, they’d say ‘get that guy off the field.’” – Craig [56:27]
On Mark Andrews
“People aren’t starting him next week. I’m not starting him next week. He’s dead.” – Craig [75:24]
Loose, sarcastic, and occasionally exasperated. Heifetz, DK, and Craig swing from excitement to despair, capturing why fantasy football is as infuriating as it is addictive ("Fantasy football’s stupid because Daniel Jones outscored Joe Burrow—WHY do I do this?"). The show is equal parts detailed breakdown and therapy session for anyone tilting over their fantasy teams or befuddled by NFL chaos.
Fantasy Football is “so over”… but “we’re so back.”
For more, tune in Mondays for waivers, Wednesdays for rankings, Fridays for previews, and check @RingerFantasy on your favorite social platform.