Week 5 Preview: Lamar’s Likely Out, Tyreek’s Done, Shedeur in Mime Time, and DK Doesn’t Know How to Download Movies

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show

Week 5 Preview: Lamar’s Likely Out, Tyreek’s Done, Shedeur in Mime Time, and DK Doesn’t Know How to Download Movies
Release Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Episode Overview

This episode packs a dense, humorous, and occasionally exasperated look at the upcoming Week 5 of the 2025 NFL season—focusing on the cascade of serious injuries, critical lineup decisions, and the ever-present chaos of fantasy football. The hosts also riff on wild NFL storylines (Shedeur’s miming!), air grievances about their own teams (and lives), and pull the fantasy analysis into practical, actionable advice as bye weeks and IR lists devastate rosters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL & Fantasy Injury Apocalypse

• Injury Woes & Bye Week Havoc:

  • Hosts immediately lament the “crappy lineups” due to an unprecedented wave of injuries colliding with bye weeks.
    • "I have not seen such crappy lineups in week five. I don't think ever.” —DK [01:05]
  • Examples: Lamar Jackson out (hamstring), Tyreek Hill's season-ending knee injury, Bucky Irving out, Trey Benson straight to IR after 1 game.

• Coping with the Damage:

  • The trio agree: it's historically bleak, but everyone is in the same boat.
    • “Everybody's hard on man. Everybody's hurt. I do feel like that's the defining aspect of this week.” —Heifetz [13:39]
  • Early waiver-wire strategy: Slogging through rookies and deep cuts (see: Woody Marks, Malik Washington, Michael Carter).

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2. Game-by-Game Fantasy Previews & Storylines

Vikings vs. Browns (London Game)

• Quarterback Circus:

  • Joe Flacco benched; Dylan Gabriel gets first NFL start.
  • Lefty QB trend noted—4 active lefties is unprecedented.

• Media Drama:

  • Shedeur Sanders’ infamous “mime” press event sparks 10 minutes of comedic play-by-play and criticism.
    • “He’s miming. And which, if we're being honest, quite literally clown behavior.” —Heifetz [04:50]
    • “The antics... versus what he's actually giving to the team, I don't think has ever been more imbalanced.” —Craig [05:13]

• Fantasy Angle:

  • Browns remain a sit (except Quinte Sean Judkins—RB, seeing near-total backfield work). Vikings injuries add more risk.

• Long Bit: "Name every Browns QB" since 2000—results in a hilarious, meandering list-fest. [09:00–12:40]

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Texans at Ravens

• Ravens Decimated:

  • Lamar out (likely until after Week 8 bye), many defensive starters down (Matabika, Humphrey, Wiggins, Roquan Smith, Hamilton, etc.)
  • “This is like the our pets' heads are falling off team for the NFL. Everything has gone wrong.” —DK [17:30]

• Derrick Henry Crisis:

  • Disaster without Lamar: since week one (where he was RB1), Henry’s been outside top 40.
    • “Since week one, Derrick Henry has fewer fantasy points at running back than Isaiah Pacheco and Kareem Hunt.” —Heifetz [21:19]
  • Shrinking offensive line leads to brutal yards before contact.

• Woody Marks Watch:

  • Emerging flex play due to injuries and Ravens’ gutted run defense.

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Eagles vs. Broncos

• Eagles' Bizarre Undefeated "Vibes":
  • Eagles are 4–0 but deeply unconvincing; called the “2019 Warriors” of the NFL.
  • “I like the unhappy undefeated team. I think is fascinating.” —Craig [25:03]
  • Offense: Dead last in explosive plays, three-and-outs, and bad early-down efficiency despite big names (AJ Brown, Devonta Smith).
• AJ Brown Drama:
  • Social media crypticness dissected (“quietly withdraw, don’t make a scene…”) and the “fart or shart?” section returns as a framework for deciding if fantasy struggles are fleeting or fatal [32:11].

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Dolphins at Panthers

• Tyreek Hill's Season-Ending Injury:
  • Massive fantasy implications.
  • “It was kind of like a Nick Chubb-esque… I’ve never been more glad to be on a 10-hour flight.” —Craig [37:18]
• Jalen Waddle Over-Underwhelm:
  • Despite presumed bump, hosts skeptical but agree: “Waddle's about to disappoint people on a whole new level.” —Heifetz [41:03]
  • Watch-list: Malik Washington as a deep-league pickup.

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Colts vs. Raiders

• Colts Praise:
  • “America’s team”—Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, Daniel Jones, Tyler Warren all must-plays.
• Raiders Sell High Alert:
  • Ashton Genti’s huge week (amid awful OL play and tough schedule)—ideal time to trade, if RB depth allows. “Do you think his stock will ever be higher?” —Heifetz [43:22]

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Bengals at Lions

• Bengals Offensive Catastrophe:
  • With Jake Browning at QB, Bengals are “completely inept” (Chase, Higgins, Chase Brown all tanking).
  • “Jamar Chase has 73 scoreless yards [in two games].” —Craig [47:00]
  • Real “do you bench your first-rounder for a rookie WR?” convos.
• Lions Run-Up-the-Score Propensity:
  • “Is there any team that's more comfortable running up the score than the Lions?” —Heifetz [49:00]
  • David Montgomery: Clear play in a likely blowout.

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Seahawks at Buccaneers

• Seattle’s Quiet Domination:
  • #1 in DVOA, healthiest roster, Sam Darnold thriving [65:41].
• Bucs Ailing:
  • Baker Mayfield’s “big time throws” (and turnovers), nearly entire offense hurt (Bucky Irving in a boot, Evans/Godwin injuries, OL woes).
  • Reluctant “jinxing” and begrudging picks discussion.

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Chargers vs. Commanders

• Chargers’ OL Collapse:
  • Both tackles and a guard down; Herbert’s a potential “buy low/sell high” debate.
  • High pass rate may save his value, but playoff schedule daunting.
• Commanders WR/Backfield Mixing Bowl:
  • Only Debo (Sam Debose) as a solid play; RB situation a mess.

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Other Key Games & Notes

• Giants @ Saints:
  • Giants a trendy outright pick with Jackson Dart, but hosts joke about their total lack of healthy skill guys.
• Titans @ Cardinals:
  • Absolute fantasy hell, Cardinals RB room in chaos (Michael Carter emerges).
• Patriots @ Bills (SNF):
  • Drake Maye “most promising” of 2024 QB class so far; all NE pass catchers (except Hunter Henry, possibly Stefon Diggs) are risky/rotation types.
• Chiefs @ Jaguars (MNF):
  • Mahomes managing QB3 fantasy performance without real WR threats.
  • Worthy’s impact and Jags homegrown defense watch.

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Fantasy Advice, Strategies & Memorable Quotes

Buy-Low, Sell-High (and Bench) Candidates

• Sell High: Ashton Genti (Raiders), possibly Brock Bowers (due to injury).
• Buy Low: Jamar Chase, potentially A.J. Brown.
• Bench Watch: Derrick Henry (“outside top 40 RB since Week 1”), Jalen Waddle skepticism, Devonta Smith “even worse” than A.J. Brown this year (metrics-wise).

Expert Insights

• On the State of RBs:
  • “He [Derrick Henry] turns into the worst running back in the NFL, which has kind of been our joke for a long time…if he doesn't have two steps to get going.” —DK [22:00]
• On Injuries:
  • “Statues just falling left and right.” —Heifetz [21:54]
• On Fantasy Coping:
  • “Sometimes do you ever just think fantasy is the worst?” —Heifetz [48:22]

Fantasy Court: Shotgunning for Zeros

• Rule discussion: Should you have to shotgun a beer if your player zeros due to injury? The “funny and connecting” nature of the punishment is defended.
  • “The point of fantasy is that it’s random and unfair.” —DK [97:29]
  • Verdict: Injury or not, all zeros count. Fantasy Court decided.

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Ringer 107 (Picks Segment):

(86:21 onward)

• The hosts debate Ringer’s internal picks contest, weighing:
  • Giants over Saints (Jackson Dart enthusiasm)
  • Lions huge favorites over Bengals (“should be 19 points!”)
  • Broncos over Eagles (Jalen Hurts "shart game" potential)
  • Dolphins over Panthers (does Ewing Theory apply post-Tyreek?)
  • Ravens as outright underdogs vs. Texans
• Joyous/agonized overthinking as they map out picks, banter, and try “Castanza” theory (do the opposite).

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Notable Off-Topic, Comedic & Memorable Moments

• Naming Browning Browns QBs since 2000—truly derails for several minutes, with laughter and shame over missed names. [09:00-13:00]
• Mime-gate with Shedeur Sanders ("clown behavior") and extended debate about NFL media antics. [04:24–06:43]
• Long-running bit: "Fart or Shart?" Fantasy Panic Meter for struggling stars. [32:11–32:50]
• Boomer Tech Confessions:
  • DK admits he can't download movies on his iPad (and neither can Craig); detailed explanation and roasts follow. [103:02–105:32]
• Pop Culture Corner:
  • Extended discussion of watching "Barbie" and "Ballerina" on flights and riffs on delayed movie reactions (the pitch: “Last Year Tonight”). [107:20+]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Injury & Bye Week Crisis: [00:27–01:17]
• Vikings-Browns / QB discussion / Mime-gate: [02:36–07:00]
• Ravens’ Injury List & Derrick Henry Debate: [16:45–22:28]
• AJ Brown Drama & “Fart or Shart” Theory: [25:03–33:35]
• Tyreek Hill’s Knee, Waddle, and Miami Fallout: [37:18–41:03]
• Bengals’ Disastrous Offense: [46:51–48:00]
• Cowboys, Dak, and Fantasy Off-brands: [57:32–59:08]
• Seahawks-Bucs, Darnold Surges: [65:41–68:09]
• Ringer 107 Picks / Betting Theatrics: [84:29–93:17]
• Fantasy Court – Shotgun Zero Rule: [95:06–99:16]
• Boomer Movie Download Tech Fails: [103:02–105:32]

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Tone & Style Snapshot

• Casual, self-deprecating, and highly interactive.
• Frequent inside jokes, callbacks, and use of signature phrases (e.g., "fart or shart," "Castanza," and “America’s team”).
• The show walks the line between spirited debate and comedic therapy for struggling fantasy managers, laced with candid pop culture asides and lived-in fantasy dilemmas.

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Memorable Quotes

• On Fantasy Football's Pain:
  • "Sometimes do you ever just think fantasy is the worst?" —Heifetz [48:22]
• On Injuries:
  • "This is the our pets' heads are falling off team for the NFL. Everything has gone wrong." —DK [17:30]
• On Shedeur Sanders:
  • "He's miming. And which, if we're being honest, quite literally clown behavior." —Heifetz [04:50]
• On Eagles’ Unhappy 4–0:
  • “I like the unhappy undefeated team. I think is fascinating.” —Craig [25:03]
• On Derrick Henry's Usage:
  • "If he doesn't have two steps to get going...he turns into the worst running back in the league." —DK [22:18]
• On Shotgunning for Injury Zeros:
  • “The point of fantasy is that it’s random and unfair.” —DK [97:29]

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Closing

The episode concludes with a nod to their recent Ireland trip, promises of returning to the regular four-episode-a-week schedule, and a group riff on movie watching technology and pop culture. And yes, DK still doesn’t know how to download a movie.

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Summary Prepared For:
Listeners who missed the episode and want a detailed, timestamped, insight-filled recap—with all the major debates, practical week 5 fantasy takeaways, and the spirit of the Ringer hosts intact.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Krolbecker. We are puberty pre proview at peer review. I don't know. It's been a couple. We haven't recorded in four days. We're previewing week five of the NFL season.

[B]

Puberty snuck through. There's a couple words that snuck through there.

[A]

The classic my voice broke and then also I mispronounced the word. It's because, you know, we're wrestling. We actually didn't do power hour this week. So we are back. We're out of Dublin. We are going back to our schedule four times a week. Sunday nights. We're going to have Monday waiver episodes for your Wednesday power Friday previews. A lot has happened that we have to get to in these games. Lamar Jackson's hurt. Tyreek Hill's knee exploded. Bucky Irving seems like he probably won't play for the Bucks this week. Everyone who added Trey Benson at running back, he got one game out of him and then he is also an injured reserve. Now a lot has happened. We're going to go through all the things entering week five and just. Yeah, just go through. Oh, honestly, there's a ton of injuries right as the bye weeks hit. I feel like, right dk. Like it's really bad timing.

[C]

I have not seen the such crappy lineups in week five. I don't think ever. Some of the lineups people are putting out there are pretty rough, including me. So feeling pretty terrible about fantasy right now.

[B]

Nice. All right. All right. We'll be right back. Let's take a quick.

[C]

This is a real good story about.

[B]

Bronx and his dad, Ryan, real United Airlines customers.

[A]

We were returning home and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kath and Andrew.

[C]

I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.

[A]

That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

[C]

These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.

[A]

Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.

[C]

That's how good leads the way.

[A]

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[B]

Great.

[A]

All right, we're getting to the games. Usually we start with game of the week or sometimes game of the year of the week. I don't think there's a. There's a game this week. I don't think there's one awesome game that you're necessarily pointing to and be like, I can't wait to watch that. Is that fair? I was going to just go through these things chronologically to start with the Dolphins.

[C]

Panthers. How dare you.

[A]

I. I think we could just start with the London game. I mean. So the Vikings are playing the Browns in London this week.

[B]

The double international game for Minnesota.

[A]

Yeah, they're. I believe they're the first. They just stayed. Can't tell you how much more fun that would have been if they had won. I'm sure it kind of sucks to just stay in Europe and just have to try to enjoy or just be on the road for that long.

[B]

Yeah, because you lost. Because it wasn't like the Steelers aren't a buy. So I feel like they could hang around in Dublin for, like, a day. Enjoy it. Minnesota just has to hop on a plane, go to a different country and start preparing in a completely new country. It's just.

[A]

It's one of those that probably doesn't matter, but if they go.02 in the stretch, it's like they'll think about that for a long time. But the big story with this game, Vikings, Browns, is so Joe Flacco's been benched. Dylan Gabriel out of Oregon, the quarterback that Browns drafted earlier in this draft, and Shooter Centers is going to make his first start for Cleveland. We can get to that in a second.

[B]

But a lot of Oregon QBs in the NFL right now, man. Bo, Nick still and Gabriel. A lot of ducks out there.

[A]

Lefty quarterback.

[B]

Four.

[A]

Yeah, there's four Oregon quarterbacks. That's a good point. Also three lefties. Penix, Tua and Gabriel, which.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm.

[A]

I wish I'd checked this, but I'm positive. I don't know. I don't think there's ever been four at the same time. So this is probably either the most or tied for the most lefties you've ever had in a week. There's a lot. So. But yeah, we'll get to Gabriel in a second. But we have. You didn't see it. I don't. I'm trying to think which one of you would be funnier to explain what Shitter Sanders did this week. Does anyone want to volunteer?

[C]

Probably Craig.

[B]

They interviewed Shador in the locker room. He's the most interviewed QB3 of all time.

[A]

So Dylan Gabriel gets named the starter, and then they interview.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're basically just trying to ask Shador about the decision and his thoughts and what's going on. And he pantomimes his responses. His mouth is moving and he's saying things, but. But there's no. There's no sound.

[A]

Well, hold on.

[B]

Ronnick is silently pantomiming.

[A]

We have the audio. Ronnick, can you run it? Can you play the audio right now of what you're said?

[C]

Great bits.

[A]

Oh, sorry. Yeah, I guess I could have kept that one to myself.

[B]

No, he's still going. Wait.

[C]

It really. It really was, though. Like, when you watch. Try to watch it on Twitter. I actually did the thing where I was like, why is the fudgeing volume not working here?

[A]

So he literally, to be clear, he's moving his mouth, he's talking. He's like.

[B]

He's having sound.

[A]

He's miming. And which, if we're being honest, quite literally clown behavior.

[B]

It was really up there in terms of one of the most cringy things I've ever seen a player do in an interview. I think so.

[A]

Got hammered for this.

[B]

No, go ahead.

[A]

No, keep going, Craig.

[B]

No, I was just going to say, like, the antics that this man is causing inside the locker room and for this organization versus what he's actually giving to the team, I don't think has ever been more imbalanced.

[C]

So this wall. This is exactly why teams, I think, were like, I don't know, is this worth kind of the media circus that comes with it?

[B]

He's going to start one day. This. He.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Probably start again this year.

[A]

I don't know. So Schefter goes on and clearly they then leaked to Schefter about what was going on. I don't know if the Browns did it or Shador or whatever, his agent, but I guess that's Dion. But they were like.

[B]

It wasn't even anything. Go ahead. Say the Rex. Right?

[A]

It was pretty bad. Basically. They were like, well, Rex Ryan said I should not say anything. Rex Rya basically went on ESPN that morning and said he should. Shador Sanders should close his mouth. Ironically, he opened his mouth. And then the words didn't come out, but he did open his mouth. That is the most pathetic thing ever. Like, you're an NFL quarterback. You're making, I mean, the idea is to become a starter and make millions of dollars. The idea that Rex Ryan said on ESPN at 9 in the morning, you should stop talking. So then you go ahead and then just make a whole scene in the locker room as if the, literally the. What's the famous tweet? Dk, it's like, don't put it on the Internet that I'm mad. I'm not mad.

[C]

Yeah, right, right. Don't put it in the newspaper that I'm mad.

[A]

Why do you fucking care what Rex Ryan says?

[B]

Also, like, people have been saying this shit about Shador for, for like months now. Like, he picked this one comment to like, just take a stand and do something weird in this interview. He gets criticized all the time. Like, people have been saying he's cocky and too big for his britches for five months.

[A]

So it's, it sucks.

[C]

It's the, it's like, I feel like the funny part is this is exactly what he shouldn't be doing because now we've talked about Shadur Sanders for like 5 instead of Dylan Gabriel, who's getting his first start in the NFL. Like, I'm interested in Dylan Gabriel right now. Like, it's, it's so much more exciting to talk about that.

[A]

So let's talk about Dylan Gabriel. It's so Dylan Gabriel, 5 foot 11, 205 pounds.

[B]

Oh, damn. Starting with the height.

[A]

Yeah, it's a lefty who's 5 11. Yeah, it's kind of a start to look normal. It's not going to look like other quarterbacks. Joe Flacco's what, six, five? Like, it's going to look different, but he played 64 games in college. UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon. I think he's a low, I, I would categorize him as like low. Average depth of target, maybe. Could be like a game manager type, obviously. Like, faster than Flacco, faster than Shadara, probably. But I, I, I kind of do think he could fit in a Shanahan. I don't know if he's gonna work this week, but I do think Gabriel could run a Shanahan offense. TK, what did you make of Dylan Gabriel coming out of the draft?

[C]

I mean, it's a ball distributor type of player. I mean is, I think there is a world in which he could actually do pretty well and not, I don't think he's Go to be like a type of guy that's going to elevate the offense. The height is going to be an issue. It'll be very interesting to see kind of how they mitigate that. But he seems to. He's decisive. He gets rid of the ball quickly. He's pretty accurate. Like, there's a lot of things to like about this, and that's why he put up such huge numbers in college. And I thought he was pretty impressive, honestly, when he was playing in the preseason in terms of just running the offense, you know, getting guys where they're supposed to be getting rid of the football. It does remind me. And, like, look, he followed up for Bo Nicks at Oregon and then put up big numbers at Oregon. So, like, maybe there's a stylistically Bonix type of player in terms of just managing the game and being smart. And he's got a lot of experience playing football, so that's always a good thing. And also, by the way, it's going to be hard for them to get worse on offense because even though I thought Flacco was, like, pretty solid in. In his first game, Austin dug up this stat the other day. Flacco's EPA per drop back through four weeks was worse than what they had with Watson last year. This is the worst start EPA for drop back for a quarterback on the Browns since 2000, which is obviously something saying a lot.

[B]

Holy hell. And Brandon Weedon. Like, can we just start naming Browns quarterbacks?

[A]

Oh, we should do it. So how many you think we could get right now of the. There's 41 now.

[B]

Yeah, 41.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Or just like 21st century quarterbacks. Yeah, let's do 21st century Browns quarterbacks. I'm gonna go Brandon Whedon.

[A]

Wait. But we're not going to be able to keep track of what we said. Wait, let me see if there's a sporkle. Otherwise we're just going to shout names.

[B]

We'll remember it. All right, I'll. I'll drop them.

[A]

Oh, no, I got it already. Brown's the NFL starting quarterbacks. All right, we're going right now. Go. Did you just say Weedon? I'm gonna say Couch. Flacco.

[B]

No, no. We have to go one at a time, one at a time, in order. Otherwise you're just gonna list them all.

[A]

You're right. Sorry. I got distracted by the clock.

[B]

Terrell Pryor.

[C]

Jesus Christ. Did Wentz play for them at some point?

[A]

He just feels playing against them. I had the same question. It was like Wentz. How did he ever play for the Browns?

[B]

What'd you say? Baker Mayfield.

[C]

Baker Mayfield.

[A]

Yeah. Brissette Prior didn't count receiver.

[C]

He never played quarterback a thousand yards as a receiver?

[A]

Yeah. He Raiders. He was quarterback. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Isn't that crazy? I think Holcomb just.

[C]

Just gonna be like a who's who of backup quarterbacks.

[B]

Kaiser Soze.

[A]

There's so many.

[C]

We didn't get very far down. No way before I started.

[A]

Tyron Taylor. Do we want to do this? This is a long bit.

[B]

No, wait, Keep going. There's a few more I want to hit.

[A]

Derek Anderson.

[C]

Who's the guy that looks like a Ken doll that's now like a coach?

[B]

McCown.

[C]

Yeah. Josh McCown.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Luke and Josh both.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who else we got? Who else?

[B]

Who was the former Redskins quarterback? Wasn't he on the brow?

[A]

Oh, Jason Campbell. That's a good one.

[B]

Yeah. Jason Campbell.

[A]

The jersey. The famous jersey. They're out of names now. The guy does not have room now. He got to, like, 41. And Dylan Gabriel, like, there's no spot. He needs, like, a fourth column of.

[B]

The shoulder to Sean Watson, obviously.

[A]

Yeah, I got Watson.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

Do we want to keep going?

[C]

Yeah, who else? Give us the names. Give us the names.

[A]

I got Couch, Derek Anderson, Brandon Weeden, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Kaiser, Kelly Holcomb, Jacoby Brissette, both McCowns. Jason Campbell, Luke Tyro Taylor, Joe Flacco. We're not even close. We're forgetting such obvious ones. People are screaming, keep going.

[B]

I know. We really are. Who was the quarterback with Josh Gordon when he had that big year? Was that.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, we're forgetting Johnny Manziel.

[C]

Of course we said Manzel.

[B]

No.

[C]

Well, I said Manzo. God, you were forgetting obvious ones. Probably Tom Brady.

[A]

Yeah, we're forgetting 20.

[C]

I don't remember. Was Alex Smith on the Browns Over.

[A]

No, I think we can move on.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Just give us the names. Don't you have them?

[A]

I, I. Well, the sporkle.

[C]

Just read them off.

[A]

Oh, please. Now I'm very curious. Oh, I forgot. I didn't type in Baker. Sorry. I. I don't know. I think I misspelled it, but I said it. Colt. We miss Colt McCoy.

[B]

Oh, Colt McCoy.

[A]

Charlie Fry. Brian Hoyer.

[B]

Oh, of course.

[A]

I think these are Brady Quinn.

[B]

Oh, Hoyers.

[A]

Trent Dilfer.

[C]

Dilfer.

[A]

Jeff Garcia. I'm mad about that one. Cody Kessler. Jamis. Last year is probably the worst one. RG3, Dorian Thompson. Robinson Jake Delome, Ken Dorsey. And then there's what Ty Detmer I never would have got.

[C]

I do not feel bad at all.

[A]

About no Case Keenum, dude. Incredibly, Doug Peterson is one of the Brown quarterbacks. Wait, I know what dude. Spurgeon win. Connor Shaw, Nick Mullins, Thaddeus Lewis, Kevin Hogan, Bruce, Jeff Driscoll, Josh Gordon's year.

[B]

When he went nuts. He caught passes from Brandon Weed and Brian Hoyer and Jason Campbell.

[A]

10 games over 25 years. That's pretty cool.

[C]

I think the only name I feel bad about not remembering is Jamis there.

[B]

I feel bad about Hoyer. Hoyer was a staple of the Browns big picture.

[C]

Just the most forgettable quarterback of all time.

[A]

Brown said. Two owners, I think they're on seven or eight GMs. They're on like 11 coaches. It's like, yeah, you're on 41 quarterbacks. That's insane. But I do think Gabriel could be solid. I will say though, in terms of him succeeding in this, the running game's been good. Quinte Sean Judkins actually has been a top 10 running back last two weeks in fantasy. But I don't know how this is going to go with the defense because they're playing the Vikings defense. That's pretty scary. But the flip side you said about Wentz, the Vikings offense in this game, I, I, I just keep thinking about when the packers left tackle let Myles Garrett go on the inside. He was like, jordan, run, run Jordan run. Because I just run the Vikings. The left guard Donovan Jackson is this wrist issue he missed last week. Ryan Kelly is in concussion protocol. He'll probably miss this week. Brian o', Neill, the right tackles that he did not participate.

[C]

Does it feel like every team is falling apart right now?

[A]

Everybody's hard on man.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Everybody's hurt. I do feel like that's the defining aspect of this week is all these teams. Like certain teams just, it's like, like the Thanos snap. Certain teams just lost like a quarter of their of their guys.

[C]

Yeah. But it feels like we're in for some really ugly, you know by the way and I also saw this stat from from establish the run. There's like only there's only like a third of teams right now are actually leaning past heavy. Every other team is running, running super run heavy this year. This is from Adam Leviton. Seven out of 32 teams are leaning towards the pass so far. So we're just getting like ugly slow run the ball ball possession type football so far.

[B]

I want to go back to the left Tackle yelling, jordan, run. You know, it's not a bad idea. That's actually a good idea. Like, if. If a quarterback. If the blind side gets beat and the quarterback can't see it, having a verbal cue is a good idea. There should be, like a little buzzer in the quarterback's where it's like. If the left tackle gets beat, like, a sound goes off and they know to bail. That's not terrible.

[A]

It's funny that they even make a little languages and dialects for what play to do. But then if the actual anything goes wrong with Miles Garrett chasing you, they're just like any other person. Jordan.

[C]

It's kind of.

[A]

It's like Jurassic Park.

[C]

This is. This is the thing that you see in lower levels of football. It's like the. The. The sideline will scream run versus pass.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So the defense knows. You don't see that in the NFL. We got to get NFL players locked in screaming, run versus pass.

[B]

Pass.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Just yelling ball.

[C]

I just could. I'm just picturing Craig. You probably won't get this since you didn't watch Lord of Rings, but. Hiit. So you know when Gandalf is like, run. Just have that, like, run.

[A]

Run. That's. Yeah, that's.

[B]

That sounds like an awesome scene.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Two buildings. You should see it.

[B]

That was nice.

[A]

Anyway, I was gonna. I can't wait for Miles Garrett to chase down Walter Rouse at right tackle. However, Michael's. Garrett also has an ankle injury, so we'll see. But yeah, this guy.

[C]

Who do you start in this game in terms of. Are you willing to start David and Joku?

[A]

No, I. Dylan Gabriel's first.

[C]

Jerry. Judy.

[A]

No, no.

[C]

It's like just sitting. You're sitting everybody on the offense right now, I think.

[A]

Judd, you play Judkins. I'd be surprised if you have better options than Judkins on bio. Like, Judkins is playing pretty well. He's gonna get well.

[C]

Yeah, obviously.

[A]

He started Judkins 90 of the touches in the backfield last week for Cleveland. He got 25 out of 28 touches.

[C]

So I will say I think times are tough enough on the waiver wire streets right now that people are considering starting guys like Isaiah Bond and Harold Fannin like the rookies for the Browns.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, it is looking bleak right now. Good options.

[A]

The third receiver on the Browns.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not starting well.

[C]

He's second receiver now, probably.

[A]

Well, is Harold Tillman.

[C]

Tillman's on ir.

[A]

I mean, I'm counting Harold Fan. I mean, Harold Finn.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I I third passing option. How about that?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Sunday, early slate. Look past the London games or anything else on Vikings Browns for you guys. I think Dylan Gabriel could be good, but this is a tough. If Dylan Gabriel wets his pants, we have to vow to not make anything of him getting going to a London against the Vikings defense. Like I actually think I'm curious to see.

[C]

Yeah, I'm sure that will happen.

[A]

Yeah. Sunday, early state. The Texans are at Baltimore. The Texans are favored by 1 1/2 points. I mean this is crazy. So both Texans and Ravens are one in three. These teams have both won their division for multiple years in a row. Ravens lost to the Bills, the Lions, the Chiefs. In theory. No shame in losing to three of the best five teams in the NFL. And yet Raven season feels like absolutely in tatters. Half the team starters are injured and I can go through the whole list, but most importantly, Lamar Jackson is. I mean the listing is doubtful, but he's not playing this week. I don't think Lamar's going to play next week either. I feel like it's going to be Cooper Rush this week, Cooper Rush next week. Then the Ravens are on by. So Lamar might cut back. Like what is that Week eight. But Lamar being out. This is a pretty dire stretch, right dk? Like the Raiders are really staring down the barrel of being one and four.

[C]

It already feels like a lost season. Yeah, that's how bad it is already. I mean their whole team is hurt and all their star players are hurt. Their defense, which was really good last year, is missing multiple starters. They've been literal worst defense in the NFL through one month. And then offensively, nobody's playing well. Derek Henry's falling. This is like the our pets heads are falling off team for the NFL. Everything thing is that has gone wrong.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

Dumb and dumber.

[C]

We got no food, we got no jobs.

[A]

Our pets haven't fallen off. That is the movie you guys quote the most. That's my blindest spot.

[C]

You gotta watch Dumb and Dumber. I need to all time classic. But yeah, things are. Things are going horrifically for the Ravens. This is like actually who. Who I'm like picturing when I said it feels like everyone in the NFL is falling apart. This the Ravens. It's just. Yeah, it's crazy.

[A]

It's worth. Sorry, what were you gonna say, Craig?

[B]

Well, I was going to say despite all of that, which I 100% agree. I think you're right. I don't think Lamar is coming back until after the buy. I think the Two weeks to sit out of the hamstring and the buy is probably worth it. The only thing that sucks for them is that these two games are against the Texans and the Rams. Then they have the buy and then they come back in. The schedule gets pretty easy. So they're going to have to go on a really big run. Like they're going to have to win like six, seven, eight straight games to get back in the mix. But what I wanted to point out was I think it's remarkable that the Texans are only favored by 1.5 points.

[C]

I know, right?

[B]

Against Cooper Rush with Matt A BK is out for the year. Like the whole Ravens defense is in shambles.

[C]

Truly been the worst defense in the NFL.

[B]

The Texans are favored by a point and a half against Cooper Rush in the worst defense in the league.

[A]

The Texans beat and I still don't.

[B]

Want to take them.

[A]

Dude, that's the thing. So it's worth the is going on because Cooper Rush. Well dude, here's the thing. The Texans beat the Titans 26 nothing last week it was six nothing during the fourth quarter. The Titans were one play away from winning. Taking the lead in that game, which is crazy. I I do want to just read the injuries on the Ravens. So week one, that Bills game, the Ravens there were nine different defenders who played 50 snaps. Five, zero snaps or more. Eight of those nine guys are hurt. So Justin Matabika, defensive tackles after the season. Broderick Washington, another defensive tackle, is on IR for at least four games. And then Travis Jones, Calvino and Brent Urban also in that D line. Front seven are hurt. Secondary, three top cornerbacks. Marlon Humphrey is a calf issue for at least two weeks. Nate Wiggins has an elbow and shoots. A first round pick last year. Genobi Woozi has a hamstring. Roquan Smith, who's the middle linebacker, has a hamstring. He's doubtful. It's probably two weeks. He huge deal like the Ravens defense. The whole concept is about the middle linebacker. The defense wasn't even good until they traded for Wkan Smith a couple years ago. He's huge. And Carl Hamilton, who's like a top five top six defender in the whole league. He has a groin issue. All these guys are hurt. Maybe not playing this is the Lions last year or for The Ravens It's 2015 all over again. That was the last time the Ravens had such a bad season. But. And that ended up being a lost season for you. I think it's the only one under.500 for Harbaugh, but it does feel similar. DK, you're right. And to Craig's point, the Texans still can't even be two point favorites.

[B]

What are we doing about Derek Henry? Like, it's a really tricky fantasy situation. Derek Henry has never played in a game without Lamar Jackson and he's been bad outside of week one. He basically had one good half and then outside of that, it's been kind of a disaster. You're not going to be able to trade him. Like, you're just kind of stuck with him on this team that might not be winning games. And we know what his splits are when they're losing. It's just like a horrible situation for Derek Henry unless they just try to give him 25 carries a game and they switch and become just like the most run heavy power football team and that's their only option.

[A]

There's enough injuries, especially like even you added Trey Benson. Now he's hurt. There's enough injuries that you probably don't have the wherewith. You don't have the option to be.

[B]

No, you can't.

[A]

But if you do, I will give you permission. And here's why you want a crazy stat. So week one, Derek Henry was the number one running back in fantasy football. Literally first since week one, Derek Henry.

[C]

He had like 190 yards or something. Ridiculous.

[A]

Since week one, Derek Henry is outside the top 40. Since week one, Derek Henry has fewer fantasy points at running back than Isaiah Pacheco and Kareem Hunt. Derek Henry would be the third top fantasy running back on the Chiefs since week one.

[C]

Brutal.

[A]

So you can bench him.

[C]

Yeah, this is, this is tough because obviously I don't think anyone saw the injury situation hitting them to this extent. But, you know, and Craig, this is a huge point that you made last year. The yards before contact for Carrie, for, for Derek Henry, he's, he's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage at like double the rate this year that he did last year.

[A]

Statues just falling left and right.

[C]

I mean, it is, it is truly a systemic issue right now for him. Like they're, they're not blocking, he's not having any room to get going. And therefore he turns into the worst running back in the NFL, which has kind of been our joke for a long time. He doesn't have like two, two steps to get going. He turns into the worst running back in the league.

[B]

He's kind of Ricky Bobby first or last. Like if he gets four yards past the line of scrimmage, the defense is screwed.

[C]

You can't stop Him.

[B]

And if it's before that, I feel like the three of us could take him down.

[C]

It's so brutal.

[A]

Thing is, like, you think you couldn't tackle Derek Henry. I'm like, give me his ankles right when he gets going. And like, I don't know, maybe I got a shot.

[B]

Launch my body at his ankles.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What about the. What about the Texans? So I have a question, because Woody Marks is one of the big pickups this week in the waiver wire. Are you feeling confident starting him this week?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Against a really bad.

[A]

The middle of the Ravens defense is gone. There's the defensive tackles. Roquan, like, yeah, you absolutely can play.

[B]

Honestly, I think you play him against anybody. I mean, it's bye weeks.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's injuries. Like, I think you're. Last week he played half the snaps. Like, he's splitting time with Nick Chad now. He looks way better.

[C]

He was getting a lot of run in the first half, too, before.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

First.

[B]

Second downs. He. He had a higher snap. Nick Chubb on first and second downs.

[A]

I don't think you should play Woody Marks over Derrick Henry. I. I think that would be a violation of my fiduciary duty.

[B]

But, like, if your life depended on it and you had to say who was going to score more fantasy points this week? It. It might be Woody Marks, the guy.

[C]

Who we've seen play one.

[A]

Yeah, he played one game. We're like, play over Derek Henry, the best running back.

[C]

This is the worst.

[A]

All right, Broncos at the Eagles. Eagles are favored by. Is it four and a half points this week?

[B]

Yeah, four and a half. This is a good segue also because this. The DK you talking about the yards before contacting Saquon struggling this year for similar reasons. He's averaging 0.95 yards before contact per rush. Last year was 2.6, so nine. So last year he was averaging over two and a half yards before contact. This year, less than a yard.

[C]

His. His yards per carry is half of what it was last year.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, across the board. His, like the simplest way to talk about Saquon, his points per touch, just like in fantasy when he gets the ball. His points per touch is down 33% this year, and it's indicative in general. I just think the Eagles are fascinating because, like, I think the Broncos are like, the Broncos are a team that the defense we know is good. Bo Nix is kind of like, he plays well against bad defenses, against better teams, he has a trickier time. Their record last year showed that they basically beat all the bad teams and lost all the good teams, but I think they're a team that, like, you know who they are. They're moving forward, they're getting better. Bo Nix is developing. The Eagles are fascinating because I think they remind me a little bit of the 2019 warriors and that they're the best team, but they're unhappy. And it's so interesting to have a 40 team coming off a Super bowl that's, like, unhappy and the vibes are bad. It's just weird.

[A]

What year was the 2019 Warriors?

[B]

It was the year that they lost to the Raptors and Durant towards Achilles, Clay towards acl. That was when Draymond and Durant were fighting on the sidelines. The. I mean, on the side of the court. It was just, like, a mess.

[A]

DK's on Twitter. I also just spilled tea all over myself.

[C]

Twitter. I'm listening.

[B]

Anyway, I just. I was just thinking, I like the unhappy undefeated team. I think is fascinating.

[C]

I was thinking of. Wasn't it Pat Riley who came up with the concept of the disease of me or disease of war?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Disease of more. Where you get, like, all these superstars together on team and you have greatness for a while, but then, like, eventually, everybody wants more and wants, like. And. And it is so funny. Like, A.J. brown miserable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Does A.J. brown want more to see, like, an Oliver Twist kid being like, please. More like it's kind of doesn't have anything.

[B]

I kind of. Look, I stand with AJ Brown.

[C]

I do, too.

[B]

I like.

[A]

So that he. AJ Brown, the king.

[C]

We're on your side.

[A]

AJ Brown, by far, is the king of cryptic social media. And.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is he tweeting some Bible verse that says, like, don't. I forgot what the Bible version is. Basically, like, don't look, don't complain publicly.

[A]

And he's tweeting out like that. First, it wasn't a Bible verse. I don't think it was. If. If.

[C]

Yeah, well, I thought it was.

[A]

No, it's like, if you're a toxic situation, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Which I don't think is a Bible verse, but maybe.

[B]

And also that he's not listening to that advice at all. I mean, he's just. He's doing. He's doing interviews.

[A]

Why withdraw? He said on social media to millions of people.

[B]

Like, he's talking to the media a lot. But look, I. Actually, what he's saying to me makes sense. He's like. He's like. He's almost, like, trying to convince himself he's not crazy. He's like, it's okay that I want the ball. I'm good. I help the team when we're in a crucial situation. I want the ball like I want the responsibility. I'm willing to put the outcome of the game in my hands, and I know that I'm good enough to do that for the team. And I want to help. Which I think is like, fine.

[C]

But it was a Bible verse, by the way. It said, if you're not welcomed, not listened to, quietly withdraw, don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way. Which is exactly the opposite of what you said.

[A]

The book.

[B]

He read the Bible.

[C]

He's out here reading the Bible. I'm out here reading it.

[B]

Can I read some astounding Eagle stats, please?

[A]

I can't believe there was a Bible verse. I just assumed it was the book he was reading on the sideline last year. I He finished it.

[B]

He moved on to a new book.

[A]

He's had enough time. So, guys, you read this.

[B]

He said plenty of time.

[C]

He's on book talk.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so the Eagles are four now and they've beaten good teams. The Eagles beat the Cowboys, the Rams, the Chiefs, and the in the Bucks. All these. I'm going to read three Strats. They're all from Rich Rebar at Sharp, who's great. 12% of the of Eagles plays have gained 10 yards or more. Dead last in the league.

[C]

Not explosive. Yeah.

[B]

10 yards or more. 12% dead last in league. 46% of Eagles drives have failed to gain a first down. Worst in the league.

[C]

So three and outs.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

46% of their drives have failed to get a first down. Worse in the league. They average 3.9 yards per play on early downs, which is ahead of only the Titans, who are the worst team I've ever seen.

[C]

Titans have three touchdowns in four games and they're four.

[B]

No, the Eagles. It's just remarkable.

[C]

We won the game. Shut your ass up.

[A]

On that note, can I read you something, too? This is a good thing I read. Even as the Eagle. I'm gonna read this paragraph and I'll tell you who wrote it later. Even as the Eagles offense succeeded to start the season. Sorry. The Eagles offense largely looked the same as last year, but the offense doesn't feel the same. It funnels targets to AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, Dallas Goddard. But using Hertz as a rusher, short yardage situations. Something's missing. It seems like last year the Eagles had a real effective, dangerous offense.

[B]

This year, I know what you're doing.

[A]

They'Re just imitating it. Ben Solak wrote that for the Ringer two years ago.

[B]

I was gonna say Ben Solak wrote.

[A]

About how the Eagles offense felt like it was trying to do an impression of the Eagles offense from 2022. Then shield Capadia here at the Ringer. Who does it? The Philly. Philly. The Philly special Pod.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

SHIELD wrote last. This is week four last year. This is exactly a year ago when the Eagles went 24. 0 down to Tampa Bay in Week 4 and dropped to 2 and 2. And she wrote, the prevailing feeling in Philadelphia is that this season probably won't be a whole lot of fun. In many ways, even though the pieces are different, it feels like a continuation of last year. The slow starts and offense aren't new. The Eagles are the only NFL team that has failed to score a single point in the first quarter this season. And on four opening drives, the Eagles have totaled one first down in 17 yards. That was almost 365 days exactly from today.

[B]

But no one's scoring fantasy points right now. That's honestly the difference. It's like Saquon Age. All these guys are underperforming from a fantasy perspective.

[A]

It's weird because this is a larger conversation, but there's two things going on here. The Eagles, under with Jalen Hertz at quarterback, have looked at times like they are wandering the desert for yards and points for really four straight seasons. There has been like month long stretches where the Eagles could not move the football to save their life.

[B]

And what is Jalen hurts, like 18 and oh, in his last 18 games.

[A]

And games he started and finished. And so I think we're busy winning. He is. I think Jalen Hurts has become obsessed with protecting the ball and is basically convinced that if he doesn't turn the ball over, they will win every game.

[C]

I mean, he's not wrong either.

[A]

That's. Yeah, they're undefeated.

[C]

By far the strongest correlation to losing and winning is turnover.

[A]

And so like all the throws he's doing, even A.J. brown when he's giving the ball, it's like going. It's sailing out of bounds. You know what I mean? It's, it's. It's like the targets are even misleading because it's like A.J. brown do a spectacular toe tap, toe, toe, touch, tap, whatever, catch. Or like this ball is hitting a coach on the sideline, which I think.

[B]

We need to categorize targets differently. There needs to be two different types of targets because when you just like clearly are throwing the ball away and it goes over A.J. brown's head by 10ft. That counts as a target A.J. brown. And it should.

[A]

There are ways to sort that out. We're able to do that. But overall the box.

[B]

But not, not like commonly. That is like people don't use the advanced target metrics the way that. No, most people are like, oh, A.J. brown had nine targets. Five of them were over his head.

[A]

So overall, I agent. I don't know. Squeaky Will gets. Part of me does think that they'll probably just placate him, frankly this week. But if you want to bench him, understand, you probably should play Derek Henry and A.J. brown.

[C]

I feel like it's so bad out there. No one's going to be able to.

[A]

That's the thing. It's like, like Quentin Johnson at this point. You can play Quentin Johnson over A.J. brown. I. We said it would take me six weeks. It took me five, but four. You. Oh, good point. Yeah, fair. Okay. I, I do think though you should play A.J. brown. And it's probably still by low, but overall, Eagles, it's been like this for years. Literally.

[B]

No, I know. Just a heavy. A captain goes down with his ship. I will be starting agent Brown every week this entire season as long as he's healthy. It sucks that they're playing Denver, but.

[C]

Speaking everyone's yelling at me for farter Shark. Then last week, I know it was like three in the morning, but because.

[B]

A good captain goes down with his. With his messy under with his Shark. Yeah, it was sharp, but I will. I'm not taking.

[A]

He's not going down with the ship. It's a fart. It's a fart. It'll go away.

[B]

The point is I'm going down with the situation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Going down with the.

[C]

That's pretty okay. I don't. I still don't quite know which partner shirt.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Yes, you do.

[A]

You get it.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[C]

I thought Shark meant you just like you have to bench them at this point. Now you guys are both saying you.

[B]

Want him means like is this a real problem or was it a one off right far?

[A]

Is it like is this gonna go.

[B]

It's not bench or start for the rest of the season. It's like, is this a real problem I should be worried about?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If you wait, wait long enough, it's fine. It'll go away. And the Shark is like, I don't know if I really knew that that is not going to just go away.

[B]

You know what's funny is I actually Think the name of the category, like, perfectly accurately represents what we're trying to distill. Like, is it a fart? Which is like something that is like, sucks for five minutes, but it goes away.

[A]

A momentary lapse, perhaps?

[B]

Yes. Or is this like, oh, my God, a sharded situation? I need to change my pants. Which is like, I have to make it. I have to perhaps make a decision here in fan.

[C]

Right. Well, that. I guess that was what I was saying is like, if I. If you want me. If I'm saying this is a shart, that means you should not be playing A.J.

[A]

Brown.

[B]

The sharp means that you should be considering benching A.J. brown, which I think you should.

[C]

Okay, that's fine.

[B]

What's funny is it's been arguably worse for devonte Smith. He's just not bitching, he's just invisible.

[A]

We don't even think about him because he's so thin.

[B]

You know, like all the metrics are like, even worse compared to last year. Like, the drop off of 2024, five from 2024 for AJ Brown has. Is not as bad as what's been happening to devonte Smith.

[A]

I still kind of think you should probably just trade for A.J. brown because whoever has him sick of him.

[B]

Well, yeah, Week two, coming out of week one was when he was really bitching and the whole. He only caught one pass and then he had a huge game three Rams.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Sure.

[A]

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[C]

Yes.

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I feel like the Eagles are going to win every game by one score.

[B]

That's correct. They've been in close. I mean, because they don't turn the ball over. It's going to be low scoring and it's going to be close. And that's. That's how Jalen Hurts wants it.

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And I do think Texans Ravens will be one score because I think each team will probably score one time. It'll be 7 to 3, 3 to 2. Something of that ilk. Right?

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Yeah.

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[A]

All right, we have another game here. That similar to the AJ Brown thing. Are we going down with the ship? It's kind of the opposite. Are you going to get off your hill? Which is. I just made a pun here. It wasn't intentional, but the Dolphins are at the Panthers. Dolphins are favored by point and a half even though Tyree kills after the season Monday Night Football Tyree kills me. It was kind of like a Nick Chubb esque, like. It was.

[C]

I've never been more glad to be on a 10 hour flight.

[B]

I refused to watch it for about an hour on the flight and then.

[C]

I watched it and.

[B]

Is it bad that I'm like, I've seen worse?

[C]

Yes. Can we.

[A]

Well, it's good. It's good you've seen worse.

[C]

I think we haven't.

[B]

I think the angle almost shielded it in a way where you couldn't tell if he was almost just like. Like kind of crisscross applesauce, but like on his back type of vibes. And I mean, you. There's a moment where the leg kind of dangles, which is pretty harrowing. But, like, I think the chub injury visually was much worse.

[A]

I remember when Dak broke his ankle, I thought he just lost. I thought a shoe came off. Off.

[C]

Oh, that was brutal.

[B]

Kind of like that where I was like, oh, I think his legs just turned or something. But obviously horrific.

[A]

Horrific. He'll be back next season at the earliest.

[B]

Probably bizarre.

[A]

Honestly. He was happy the whole time and.

[C]

That was what I was gonna. I wanted to ask about that. Like, he was on the cart, fist pumping and screaming and, like, raising his hands to the sky and, like, ecstatic. And I know that some people maybe react to really traumatic experiences very differently. So I'm giving him that. But that was really weird.

[A]

I think that.

[C]

Was he, like. Was he like, thank God, now I got my injury?

[B]

No, the memes.

[C]

The memes were.

[B]

I think it was a combination of adrenaline and it's almost like, like, you know when you laugh, when you're just having such a bad day, you end up just like, laughing at it.

[A]

I think it's like when Arya gets. It's the Game of Thrones and Arya gets to Winterfell and she realizes everyone's dead and she starts cackling or. No.

[B]

Yeah, he's like, you know, he's a crazy person. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

I think it's a window into, like, what you have to do to mentally get yourself ready to be an NFL athlete and almost get 2,000 yards. He also said he faced.

[C]

I don't think I've ever seen that.

[A]

Well, he facetimed Toront Armstead that night, who, you know, he retired, but he used to play for the Dolphins and he. I don't know if this was a joke or not. He said he was laughing so he wouldn't pass out from the pain. I don't know if that was.

[C]

Oh, I can't.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I can't imagine. I imagine the pain was absolutely atrocious.

[A]

It's a dislocated knee.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With ACL and everything. So, yeah, he's done. I. Maybe he can come back next year.

[C]

Like, no, he probably won't be back in 26.

[A]

Probably not a Dolphin next year. Like, we'll see about that. It's probably the end of his career. Obviously, there were a thousand memes about how Tyreek didn't want to play with DO anymore, and that's what he was happy about. But, like, I don't think he's going to play for the Dolphins. We'll see in the future. But for fantasy purposes, again, think you should leave the. Got to figure out how to make money on this. I. I mean, Craig is Jalen Waddle like, a top 15 receiver now in fantasy, like, is like, you kind of have.

[C]

Theoretically.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He hasn't had six catches or 70 yards this season, and yet I have.

[C]

Faith that this is going to work.

[B]

I kind of agree. I'm like, of course. Like, Darren Waller has two touchdowns.

[C]

I know down he runs 10 routes and he has two touchdowns.

[A]

The drafting Jalen Waddle in fantasy this year, this was kind of like what you're hoping for. Stupid. And yet in fantasy, it's really horrific. It's kind of like, yeah, it's like, this is what you. It's kind of.

[C]

Well, people thought maybe Tyreek would. And that would open up ways for Waddle to get, like, be the number one, the de facto number one receiver here. Obviously, this is what happened. But, yeah, in theory, I feel like this is good for Waddle, but for whatever reason, I'm like, just watch them start funneling targets to Malik Washington, Darren Waller.

[A]

If you're in a deeper league and like, some of the waiver picks we've given out, you're like, oh, like, my league's not available. I think Malik Washington is really talented, and I do think league Washington's super ready to have a larger role in this offense. I don't know what that means, but against the Panthers, I think it's doable, but I. I think Malik Washington's really talented, so I. I think he could make an impact on this team.

[C]

We'll see if he would. Yeah, he would be like, a deep flex option this week. But then obviously, you got to start Waddle and hope for the best.

[B]

But Waddle's about to disappoint people on a whole new level.

[A]

Yeah, it. It probably Colts Raiders culture favor by the six and a half I think.

[B]

Yep. I love the Colts, man. The Colts are America's team. To me. I, I think the Colts are for real. They're 3 and 1 now. I, I think they should, I think 3 and 1 is the correct record. Everyone's like, oh, they should be4.0 because AD Mitchell dropped the ball. But they actually should have lost to the Broncos. Like that whole situation was. So 3 and 1 is the correct record for them. I think we know what they are now. It's like specifically in fantasy. It's like Daniel Jones, Indiana Jones. You're playing them. Tyler Warren, top three tight end Jonathan Taylor, probably the best running back in fantasy right now. And Michael Pittman, you're playing him. Everybody else is like fringe. You might not. And dude, this is such a wheels up game for the Colts. Coming off a loss playing the Raiders defense which has been terrible. The Raiders are all over the place. Geno's been super volatile. He had 26 points two weeks ago. He had nine last week. He's throwing picks left and right. Brock Bowers is beat up and it's a brutal situation in fantasy for Brock Bowers because he's playing every week. He's limited every week in practice. He's clearly not healthy, but he's playing.

[C]

He's not moving nearly as well.

[B]

No. And it's like tight end is always tough and it's like if he's playing like it's Brock Bowers, you're playing him and it's, it's really tricky. I think the most interesting part of the Raiders is Genti who obviously went off last week and we talked about it in Dublin. He might be better than Cam Scatter, but we decided. But I think we didn't do power hour this week because we're flying home. We ended up doing like a ranking of our or a draft of our favorite moments in Ireland which you should go listen to. But dk, do you think Ashton Genti's actually we would have done sell high guys on power this week. Maybe we'll do it next week. Do you think Genti is actually like a sneaky great sell high? He had this huge week, hit three touchdowns. He looked fantastic and is fantastic. Like I think we know that he is good but I can't help but think this year is going to be really frustrating in Vegas. The Raiders just lost their left tackle Colton Miller to ir. The the offensive line is terrible. Like even though that game last week was really good, he was hit at or behind the Line of scrimmage on 13 of his runs last week, like, it's still terrible. He just busted a couple big ones. Don't. Do you think his stock will never be higher?

[C]

I knew Heifetz is going to.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't say anything.

[C]

I think, yes, I do think this is a great opportunity if you're looking to get out from the Raiders offense, which has obviously been very, very disappointing on all aspects. Obviously, Brock Bowers has been one of the most disappointing players in fantasy. That's largely injury related, but still he's been very disappointing. And then Ashton Genti just. There's no room to run and he's been having to do super human things just to get past the line of scrimmage. So, yes, I think this, you know, if you wanted to sell him, you probably get him for a lot right now just because of how exciting that performance was last and because everybody's hurt. So, like, you know, I think he's the type of guy that has really good name value. He's coming off of a massive performance. People are still looking for, like thinking this maybe was his breakout game. He brought back the Michael Myers stance, which seems to be all the make all the difference in the world. Now it's wheels up because he's scary back there. Again, he's even coming out and talking about it. He's like, man, it just, it just works. It just works for me. He's like, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it, but it just like, I just felt so much better out there doing that. So funny. But at the end of the day, you're right. Like the offensive line is still awful. It's still terrible. They're probably still going to continue to get hit behind the line of scrimmage at one of the highest rates in the NFL, if not the highest rate in the NFL.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they have a couple like the Colts, Titans, Chiefs, Jags, Broncos are. The next five games they have. Those are all good defenses. And then after that they have the Cowboys, which should be really fine. But then it's Browns, Chargers, Broncos, Eagles, Texans, Giants, Chiefs. That's the full season. It's like all the good defenses they have to play.

[B]

I mean, last week he was the number one running back in fantasy. Despite that, he failed to gain a yard on 38 of his runs.

[C]

Yeah, it's just so. I would say, yes, that's pretty. Yes. You know. Yeah. It's hard though, because, man, he looks so good.

[A]

It just depends if you have a lot of Running backs?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause it's like you could trade them, but it's the. It depends if. If you have ended up with, I don't know, scatter, Boo, or, you know, if you believe in Woody, I mean, Woody Marks, you're probably not going to be like, oh, I'll trade Genti now. But realistically, if you are like, oh, I have four running backs every week that I could totally play. Javante Williams is a good example of like, I know I keep bringing him up, but I'm like, if you have Javante Williams, you're like, should I just trade Genty and get some crazy like awesome package back and then. Or here's a question. Would you flip genti for like A.J. brown and Brock Bowers?

[B]

Yeah. No.

[C]

Yeah, I think. I think I would stick to my priors and keep Genti.

[B]

Would you flip Genty for Jamar Chase and. And Kenneth Walker?

[C]

Man, Chase is maybe.

[A]

Difficult conversation. Chase. I mean, should we. Should we do the Bengals?

[B]

Would you do Genti for Chase straight up or. No?

[A]

No, I'd probably. I don't think you have to give.

[C]

Up Genti to get worse than the Raiders.

[A]

I don't think you have to give up Genti to get Chase. I think I. I mean, I'd probably try to keep those guys together. I don't know. Should we just do this Brown? Should we do this Bengals game right now? Yeah, it's in a later slate, but I mean, the Bengals. So the Bengals are playing the lines this week. Lines are favored by 10 and a half points. To your point about Chase, not high enough. Do you. Well, do you guys know how yard Cincinnati is? 821 yards this season. Season as a team. Pukinaku and Quint and Quentin Johnson combined. If more yards is receiving than the Bengals have as a total offense.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, so the. The two games with Browning they've played. Jamar Chase has 73 scoreless yards. This is in two games. T. Higgins has four catches.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Chase Brown has 91 scoreless yards. None of them have scored a touchdown. They have one touchdown in two games with Browning, and it went to Drew Sample. We. We need a word. It's brutal. If you have Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, even Chase Brown, who's like basically Tony Pollard. Now, we need a word for when you have to play your great players that are underperforming every week. Like, I guess it's the sunk cost fallacy. But we need. There needs to be a fantasy version of that where it's like you're not Gonna ever probably sit T. Higgins. You just kind of can't.

[A]

Well, you can sit T. Higgins. I think too much. Chase is the quiet. You can sit. Yeah. Chase is the question. You took him first.

[B]

I know there have been other first.

[A]

Round pick, first overall picks that got injured.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if we've talked about a first overall pick that you're like, we just have to. You can't play them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you actually probably do have. You're way more likely to have other options over Chase than you are over Gentee.

[B]

Like imagine having Derrick Henry and Jamar Chase and you're like, man, should I bench them for Isaiah Pacheco and Troy Franklin? Like that's, that's a real conversation. You could have.

[C]

God damn it, Craig. One of my leagues. I drafted first round Joe Burrow, second round Derek Henry.

[A]

I want to go a month ago.

[C]

And I like how really good about that.

[A]

I want to go a month ago and say totally super flex, by the way, completely healthy. Jamar Chase and Quentin Johnson starter sit would be one of the easiest questions. We would get an entire Sunday.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Sometimes. Do you ever just think fantasy is the worst?

[A]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't know why. It's really stupid. I will say the Lions favor by ten and a half. At the end of the show, we'll do Ringer 107. And I'm like, it was starting as eight and a half. I think now it's ten and a half. I, I, I, I more part of me is more 11 and a half more 15 and a half more 18 and a half.

[C]

If I was doing guest lines, I think it would be 19.

[A]

Is there any team that's more comfortable?

[C]

Craig, they lost last week.

[B]

I think that would be the biggest spread in the history of the NFL.

[A]

I know there was a 21 a few years ago, but here's the thing. Is that really n there. There's been a couple huge spreads.

[B]

Let me look it up.

[A]

Ironically started the Rams. Jets. The Jets. I think the Trevor Lawrence year. The jets beat the Rams outright. Remember that was like 18 point spread. But the. Has there the ever been a team you guys can remember that's more comfortable running up the score than the Lions?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like the Lions just want to keep like they don't care.

[B]

The biggest spread. The 2013 Broncos. That crazy.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Yeah, dude. They were 28 point favorites against the Jags.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Did they cover?

[B]

No. They won 35.

[C]

1908 28. The Bengals lost last week. They lost 28 to 3, completely inept. Couldn't do anything on offense or defense. And then the week before that, they lost 48 to 10. That's 25 and 38 points, respectively, that they lost by.

[A]

It's pretty bad for Jake Browning. I will say, though, the Vikings and Broncos are two of the better defenses, as we thought coming into the season. The bride. I mean, Nick Bonito. Who? The.

[C]

The Bonito Fish.

[B]

Big.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But the Bengals, God damn it. Bill Barnwell made a good case that through four weeks, Bonito's probably the defensive player. God damn it.

[C]

Me.

[B]

No, no, you're right. Bonito's been great.

[A]

What's up with this guy?

[C]

What's this guy's deal?

[B]

I will say the Lions are secondaries. Beat up Terry and Arnold and DJ Reader out.

[A]

I. I actually would try to trade for Jamar Chase before.

[B]

I think so, too. I think right now. I hope Bill doesn't listen to this episode. I. I know Bill likes Ashton Genti. I have Ashton Genti in the ringer league. Bill has Jamar Chase. Hates Jamar Chase. I'm gonna try to trade Ashton Chanty for Jamar Chase and see if he does it. Maybe try to squeeze something else out of him.

[A]

I'm gonna try to find Chase, too. I. I think that's. I think.

[C]

Don't post this until Craig has sent the trade off.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna try. You think he's listening? Minute 48 of this random show?

[A]

No, we'll find out. Yeah. The Bengals, though. It's pretty brutal. I. If you have. You have to. I wouldn't. If I. I had Chase, I wouldn't trade him away, though, unless you could get, like, another player. That's really legit. But I think there's. This is a conversation for a lot of people. Derek Henry, Derrick Henry, Jamar.

[B]

So you would trade him away if you have if. For Ashton Genti?

[A]

If I would. Not if I had Jamar Chase. Jen, it's hard for a specific thing. It depends on your record and stuff. But generally speaking, I would not take the player that was, like, unanimous number one. I know Burrows hurt, but coming off the Vikings and Broncos, there's a serious chance. Those are the worst two Bengals games the Bengals play all season.

[B]

You just said no, both ways. You said you wouldn't trade Genty for Chase, and now you wouldn't trade Chase for Genty.

[A]

I.

[C]

He just doesn't like trading.

[A]

No, I love trading. I'm saying I wouldn't. If I'm Jamar Chase guy, I would try to not sell low is what I'm saying. Like I would demand something closer to. Like he's still. He's probably not. Wouldn't go number one, but I would still try to get a first round price. Does that make sense? Like, I wouldn't try to accept something. I would wait like even one more week and he will be like, today's Thursday. He could be worth a lot more on Monday is what I'm trying to say. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why I'm trying to get rid of Genti right now.

[C]

Or he could be worse, worth less.

[A]

See, I think you could try to get Chase without giving up Genty.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I'd rather try to give two players and not.

[C]

This is a titillating conversation.

[B]

It is. I wanna, I wanna point out one fantasy thing for this before we move on from the Bengals Lions. David Montgomery has been a tricky guy this year. He's been all over the place. He had 28 points in week three. So you obviously started him in week four. You had one point. I do think this is a week where you play him. I think it's kind of an obvious, like, they're gonna be up big. This is a game where they're going to run the ball a lot. They're going to be in the red zone a lot. I think Montgomery, if you're leaning one way or the other, I think you should lean towards playing him this week.

[A]

I think that's a good call. Giant Saints. Saints are favored by 1 1/2 points. What do you guys think about the Saints being favored over the Giants?

[B]

Ridiculous. Take the Giants 100%.

[C]

Yeah, I think we all came to that conclusion separately, which now makes me worried.

[A]

Yeah, we should totally pick the Saints. I will say, I mean, this wasn't a barn burner for these quarterbacks last week. Rattler for the Saints and Jackson Dart combined last week for 236 passing yards, which is an incredible. But this is such a weird, bittersweet week for the Giants. Jackson Dart has becoming such a thing for Giants fans came Scatterboo and Dart together. Scatterboo is like just absolutely already beloved. He's a psychopath crazy person and I love him. But the flip side is Dart only at 111 yards, 54 rushing yards in a touchdown. Now it's like the Giants we're at Malik Neighbors is out for the season. And so that's going to be like Darius Slayton and Wondale. So I'm like, oh my God. Like it's Just mixed emotions that. That neighbors is out. I have thought about this a lot. I think for fantasy darts, a huge. Like, you can play them. Yeah, I guess it's a little. By weeks. You could do a lot worse. I will say, though, I'm a little. I sometimes. I know I have a tendency to be like a nervous Jewish grandmother kind of watching her kid play, like her small child play high school football in the stands. However, Jackson Dart, in his first start got, like, literally had the. He got hit 17 times last week versus 17, the second most in the entire week for any quarterback. That's not sustainable. He says first game he had a concussion. Check any hamstring injury. And Jackson Dart said this week, quote, you're not always going to feel 100 after the game, but we really have good training staff here. We have a lot of assets to make sure our bodies are ready for next week. These last few days have been really crucial for me in making sure I'm on the right track and 100% on Sunday.

[C]

Sounds like one game. Sounds like a veteran.

[A]

You played one game. Why the. Are we already talking about how the training staff got him ready for Sunday? I'm just saying, I Like, you're always gonna have rushing and vibes early in a mobile quarterback's career because, like, you're kind of going off instinct having. However, this guy needs to learn to go down, like, quick, because I am. I. I just saw with neighbors, incredibly talented, really banged up kind of the entire career, and now he's hurt. I'm like, I just. I really want to see Dart slide and go out of bounds in this game.

[B]

Yeah. He has the, like, young puppy mentality.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

However, I think I feel like Debo has a new day ball has a new lease on life. Like, it feels like he, like, his coaching mojo is back. Like, he now is excited to get out of bed in the morning with Jackson D. Like, I just think, like, they're. They're going to be better offensively and more interesting.

[A]

And it's like wizard of Oz when it goes back to color.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It goes back to black and white, but whatever. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yes. It feels like the Logan Paul. Remember the Logan Paul YouTube video that he got, like, super canceled for? Did he get canceled for that one? There's so many things he probably got canceled for.

[A]

There was the Japanese woods video, the.

[B]

One where he was, like, colorblind and then he put on the glasses and it, like, showed him color for the first time. And I think it was fake. I don't know, but there's a whole video of like him freaking out about.

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

First time. And that is. I feel like that's day ball with Dark now. Like, he's now back in that Daniel Jones first season when they were like cooking and running the ball a lot and winning games. I do feel like that's where he's at right now. He's happy. He's found love again.

[A]

Dude, it's.

[C]

Yeah, but he's so. He's so reckless with his love, though. You know this. This is the same thing that you mentioned with Daniel Jones that are running around a lot. Like, I feel like he can't help himself. He's gonna just keep running.

[B]

Well, they want to play, but it's true.

[C]

It's like part of the equation. I understand that, but like, man, it just feels like he doesn't. He's. He's like, you're gonna really reckless.

[B]

You know what I mean? Love hard.

[A]

These are the kind of people Dable's attracted to, dude. Josh Allen, Daniel Jones. Jackson, Jackson Dart. Not a ton of self.

[C]

He lives his life one quarter mile at a time.

[B]

Yeah. One quarterback at a time.

[C]

A quarter mile at a time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They both does look happy, though.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I mean, he's food. Food tastes better than it has in years.

[B]

The photo of him and Dart after the game, forehead to forehead, like an engagement photo shoot. They're in love.

[A]

And then people used a. That was the first AI video where obviously it was fake, but there were a videos of them then start like making. Making out after. And I was like, obviously it was fake because they were making out. But I was like, this looks like I was a little freaked out by the quality. I'm like, we're gonna get got soon. I just think everything on the Internet.

[C]

Oh, we've already got.

[B]

Send it to your dad, see what he says. Maybe he'll think it's real.

[A]

Have you seen. No. I just saw a. A video going viral of like these teenagers who were sending videos to their mom that they had let a homeless guy into the. Into the house. And the mom, they had no idea that it was fake. And they were freaking out. They're like, why are you doing this?

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna move to the woods soon.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway.

[A]

Cowboys jets, yeah. Was a favored by two and a half. I mean, we didn't get to top of the game, but Cowboys packers ended.

[C]

In a tie, which is just at 6am Ireland.

[B]

I went to bed. I was like trying to fall asleep at 5am Dublin time and I checked my phone and the game was still fucking going on.

[C]

Yeah, let's go into overtime.

[A]

I was unbelievable. So the cow. I mean the Cowboys side of this. Dak Prescott's playing on another level. George Pickens is honestly a top 10 receiver probably right now. George Pickens had one of the better games of his career. 2029 Target your eight catches, 130ish yards, two touchdowns. And then Jake fun fact, most catches in the NFL this season. Puka Nakua. And then it's Jake Ferguson, the tight end for the Cowboys.

[C]

Yeah, he's on pace. Well, I don't know what his pace is now but he, he was on pace for like 150 catches.

[A]

Yeah, he's on. He would break the catch record at the current pace.

[B]

Zach's playing so well and they're throwing it so much. Dak has 23 more completions than the next quarterback. He basically has a game more completions.

[C]

This is the new Bengals and it's also. Yeah.

[A]

Javante Williams on top of it all. I couldn't believe this. Rich Reef shout out to Rich Rebar at sharp football who Craig mentioned earlier. But there's so he has incredible previews on Friday or just for the week. Javante Williams has already tied his career high for rushing touchdown to the season. He has four. And I will say Craig you said at our live show New York that we were talking about I think name brand, off brand and you were saying the off brand Bengals are the Cowboys where terrible defense, amazing offense. Every game's going to be a shootout. Chase and Higgins and Chase Brown are really expensive but like CD is obviously expensive but then like Pickens and Javante and Ferguson, all these guys are cheap. That so far looks like a very winning strategy. If you were just a Cowboys fan who managed to scoop up Pickens and Javante and Dak and Ferguson, you're probably like doing pretty incredibly well.

[B]

Yeah, it's just discount, discount Bengals across the board and it's probably not going to slow down, you know, barring injury.

[A]

And then there's the jets who lost to the Miami Monday Night Football. 27 21. Breeze hall had maybe the quote of the entire season so far.

[B]

Amazing quote. I'm coming around on Breeze Breeze.

[A]

Just a tale of three out of four losses. Teams will shoot themselves in the foot. We come back and shoot ourselves in the head.

[C]

God.

[A]

Even by jet standards that's an all timer.

[B]

How long do you think Aaron Glenn's good vibes can kind of mask the jets just sucking every week that's a great question.

[A]

So the jets are 0 and 4 and I'll tell you when week seven cowboys would be 0 and five broncos but if they used to the Panthers and then the Bengals are week seven and eight. So if they're, if, if even if they win against the Cowboys or Broncos if the jets are like 1 and 7 going in there by and they lose to the Panthers or the Bengals without Joe Burrow, that will be really bad. But yeah, I mean this I so I'm curious what you guys think. Rio 107 I was thinking about the Cowboys being favored by 2 1/2 and I'm like I, I'm not that impressed with the jets defense. I, I, I kind of I mean the Cowboys just went toe to toe with Green Bay and I know Green Bay is not as good as we thought they were, but I don't know. I mean the Cowboys are probably designed to blow this game.

[B]

I know, I know and I there is a chance like the way the jets looked Week 1 against the Steelers where they ran all over them. Like I, I do think that's possible. Possible.

[A]

Again that is true.

[B]

Justin Fields have 200 yards rushing.

[A]

Fields by the way, is the all is is the new standard bearer for the don't watch and play. Just look at the box score with the points because I don't think the quarterbacking is great but the fantasy rushing is out of this world.

[B]

Yeah, he's averaging 20 fantasy points a game. He had that crazy long touchdown run last week that was amazing.

[C]

Yeah, this isn't the first time I'm realizing this at all like even remotely. But man, it's gotta suck to be a Jets fan like truly every year.

[B]

Oh, at least.

[C]

How low can we go?

[B]

At least. If you're a Jets fan though, the baseball team you probably like is, is got to be good, right?

[A]

Oh, Dicky didn't get a joke because he doesn't know anything about baseball.

[B]

No, the mess.

[C]

Oh, I thought that was directed to Heifet. Sorry, I was lit.

[A]

I was like Yankees. Well, I hope the Yankees beat the Red Sox. No, it's generally speaking it's Yankees, Giants, Jets. There's a lot of jets mats. It's a lot of overlap. The DK are the Mets just had the one of the worst collapses maybe ever.

[B]

It's just brutal.

[A]

Certainly in 15 years of the team.

[B]

The highest payroll in the MLB.

[A]

As Sal said, they almost became the first team to ever go 20 games over.500 and then miss the playoffs or.

[C]

Oh, sorry. So that's Tough. Sorry. Sorry for all those Mets fans out there.

[A]

Jets.

[C]

Mets.

[A]

Roger Sherman posted on Blue sky this week. He was like, the thing about the jets playing in prime time is all I want from my favorite team, the jets, is to for everyone to forget that they exist, to never see them play football ever again. And for them to just disband.

[C]

It'S like. It's like the True Detective quote. He's like, I think the most honorable thing that humanity can do is join hands, walk hand in hand to. Into what's.

[A]

Oblivion.

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah, like extinction. Everyone join hands, stop reproducing and walk hand in hand. It should be extinction.

[B]

It should be like a guillotine league where the jets just give all their players to the rest of the NFL and quit.

[C]

Seriously.

[A]

Garrett Wilson, though. You can play him. Garrett Wilson.

[C]

He's fine.

[A]

Late afternoon games here. We already talked about Bengals, Lions, which should be a bloodbath. But then you got Seahawks are at Tampa Bay. Dk. What do you make of Seahawks at Tampa Bay?

[B]

Seahawks are good.

[C]

Yeah, I think this is an interesting one. And I'm like, inclined to think the Seahawks have the distinct advantage here just because of the injury situation for the Bucks. Obviously I hate doing that because I feel like I'm jinxing my team, but yeah, the Bucks are insanely banged up right now. Bucky Irving is in a boot. I've never seen more like late breaking injury news than ever before this year. I feel like we've had so many instances where the game happens the day. A day or two goes by and then we find out some guy suffered like some massive injury.

[B]

I know. Also, the Bucky stuff is weird. I can't remember the last time a guy was. He was in a walk, boot and crutches on Wednesday. Like, well, you might play.

[C]

I think it's just to stabilize the injury. I guess it was like a foot sprain or something.

[B]

But anyway, so if you have to stabilize your foot.

[C]

Yeah, you're right.

[B]

I just can't believe that he's. That's even on the table.

[C]

These guys are tough.

[B]

He.

[C]

He got the injury, then he came back in the game and finished the game too.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he couldn't even. He could barely walk back to the locker room.

[C]

That's adrenaline, man. Anyway, so Bucky Irving is hurt. A Mecca Buka. I mean, he's playing, but he's still nursing a hip injury. Chris Godwin is back and he's playing full time, but he's still, I think, working his way back up. Mike Evans is still going to Be out. The offensive line is a mess. They did get Tristan worse back, but they have multiple starters down. Even Baker Mayfield is on the injury report because of multiple injuries. Like, it's like hip and I can't even remember. He's got multiple injuries right now that he's going through. Basically, the Bucks have gotten to where they are with Baker Mayfield, moxie and smelling salts. Essentially just him carrying the team in these crucial moments and making some massive big plays. As Craig likes to say, big time flows. Big time frozen.

[B]

How many.

[C]

Baker Mayfield, big time flow.

[B]

How many does he have? 11.

[C]

He has 11. Big time flows.

[B]

He has 11.

[C]

He does have 11. He's third in the NFL and big time flows right behind Stafford and Dak. He also leads the NFL and turnover. Worvy flows. Boo.

[B]

Boos.

[C]

So, yes. The. The ouchies.

[B]

Yeah. The Whoopsie Daisies.

[C]

Oh, oh, oh, Whoopsie.

[B]

That's like just big time.

[C]

My son. My son's teacher, like, if anyone is, like, doing something they're not supposed to.

[A]

Do, she goes, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[C]

Like, it's like a dog almost. It's so great.

[B]

I feel like if I was in PE in high school and I was like, hey, let's keep stats for this season when we play flag football, and I was like, let's call these big time throws, they'd say, that sounds stupid, Craig.

[C]

Anyway, so that's the. That's the injury situation for the Bucks that worries me. And meanwhile, the Seahawks are kind of rounding into form and playing really well. Again, I'm trying to acknowledge I'm not trying to jinx my team.

[B]

You can say your team is playing well.

[A]

You're literally favored. It's not a jinx to say you should win. You're acknowledging they could blow the game and you're scared they're blowing. You're not. A jinx is saying they'll definitely win.

[B]

Or it's like they're going to win the Super Bowl. You've been like, the Seahawks are playing well right now.

[C]

They are.

[A]

The Seahawks are literally playing better.

[C]

They're. They're healthier than the Buccaneers, and they're quite literally number one in overall DVOA through four games, six on offense, first on defense. Also, I did not realize this, but first in special teams, Sam Darnold is playing really, really well. I got a shout. I got to shout out Sam Darnold because I was pretty, I think, critical, and I didn't really believe this was going to work that well. And he's so far been Nails. He's been one of the best and most efficient quarterbacks in the NFL through. Through a month.

[A]

That's the other part of this game that's the most interesting to me is that this is Baker Mayfield versus Sam Darnold. These are the two Panthers. I mean, look at the Panthers, like looking at this game, if this is. Ends up being a cool game, but.

[C]

First and third pick of the draft.

[A]

That year, first and third pick in 2018. Baker went from the, I mean the Browns to the Panthers, cut to the Rams. I mean, I mean between that and all college transfers, I think he had like him and Jalen hurts in like 10 offenses in 11 years or something. And then you have Darnold who's just like kind of became a journeyman. I mean, the Minnesota thing, people forget he was on the Niners. It's just a backup to Purdy for a year.

[C]

Dude. Yeah, he had to take like a year in Purgatory.

[A]

These are Tory very winding road. Like, you know, the Sheryl Sandberg thing, is that a career ladder? It's a freaking jungle gym. Like these guys, like it's been crazy all over and it's. It's funny to think that these are two of the better teams in the nfc. I know the Bucks are really hurt.

[B]

But what was the jump line? Who said that?

[A]

Sheryl Sandberg.

[C]

Oh, the one thing I. She's.

[A]

She's. She's. She. She was more popular when the line was a good line.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

About this game, the one thing that I worry about is the Buccaneers are the team, the league's best run defense. And the Seahawks, their identity is basically goes through the run. Right. Like they want to, to run and then throw off of play action and things like that. The Seahawks run game this year has actually not been very good. They're 30th in rushing success rate, 31st and stuff rate, and 20th in yards before contact per rush.

[A]

So what you're saying is Vita Vea for the Bucks is a brick wall and you're worried the Seahawks are going to literally bang their heads into a brick wall over and over.

[C]

Yes. If I can, if I can create a narrative that makes me worried about this game, which I am doing and right now live in person, is that they're going to have first and second down runs for one and negative yards and then they're basically going to rely on Sam Darnold to make big plays on third down. And that like worries me a little bit. So basically the, the key to this game for the Seahawks to Me is, can they run on early downs?

[A]

Probably not.

[C]

I know it doesn't, it doesn't bode well considering they're a very bad early down run team against the best run defense in the NFL.

[A]

When Todd Bowles comes out on Wednesday, as he did yesterday, and says, we have more guys who couldn't practice today than good, you're probably. It'll be really embarrassing, put it that way.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Next game here, Washington is at the charges. Charges are favored by three.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's depressing. It looks like Jayden Daniels is going to play, but it's, it's depressing what's happening with the Chargers because I feel like, like a lot of the, I don't know, a lot of the momentum is kind of going away. They started out so hot, they look so good, but they're just so banged up on the offensive line and it's just ruining everything. It sucks. Rashawn Slater, their tackle, is out for the year. He got hurt before the season started. But Joel, Joel, their other great tackle, he's. He's out multiple weeks with a high ankle. Their guard, Makai Becton, has a concussion. He might not play. Like, the offensive line is in shambles. And it just. The Chargers are now, they, like, are starting to look like the old Chargers that we just graduated them from. Herbert, I can't tell if Herbert is a. I'm curious what you guys think. Like if Herbert is a sell high or if he's a buy low. Like, I kind of can't tell. Week one, he was. From week one to four, he scored less every week. He started out 27 points. Week two, he had 18, then 14 and 12. Washington is a defense I think he should be able to exploit, but generally, I don't really know where to go with Herbert. Like Heifetz. Do you think Herbert is somebody you want to bet on long term for the season or is this like once again a messy Chargers offensive line and messy offensive charger situation and you should like, get out now while Herbert still kind of has the, the breakout fantasy year reputation. Like, if he has a big week this week against Washington, she just get.

[A]

Rid of them maybe because the Commanders and Dolphins and I think that those should be two games. But after that it's like Colts, Vikings, Titans, Steelers, Jags. Like, those are more solid defenses. I mean, I, it's tough because in one hand it's funny, the passing could go down, but if there's more scrambling as a result of more pressure, in a weird way, he could end up Having like more fantasy points, but overall, like you want points and I do think the Chargers, it's it, I, I think it depends on how they handle the offensive line going down because I think last week what you saw was they actually really didn't run very much at all. The Chargers. Oh, I, I had this in front of me. I lost it. I think they only had, I think in the first. Greg Rosenthal said this on NFL Daily this week. I think they had six runs in the first 43 minutes of the game for the Chargers. Not a very great Roman thing. So I do think, and again it does for if it's a rookie quarterback like Dylan Gabriel this week or in a situation with the Chargers, the first thing you think when your offensive lines hurt or if you have a rookie quarterback or something, it's like, oh, well, if we run the ball, it'll make third down easier. No, they're kind of expecting you to run the ball on first down and you get into a third and long. You in these situations, you actually kind of want to throw in first down because that's the easiest one for your offensive line to protect you is when they actually are worried about the run. It's much harder for a bad offensive line or an inexperienced like the Chargers with two backup tackles and maybe a backup guard. The hardest thing for them to protect is third and long. So I actually there could be more passing for the Chargers, but overall, yeah, it's not. At the end of the day, it's like their two tackles are out. Like it's sometimes like that kind of is just as simple as it is. Like I, I, if I, I think that's a good example of something where I don't know if people are going to not trade for Herbert because like Joe Alt got hurt.

[C]

I think, I think you keep him. I think, I think you hold him because they are one of very few teams that has, they're, they are literally, quite literally the highest pass rate over expectation team in the NFL, which obviously bodes well for fantasy points. He has three good receivers and Quinn Johnston, Keenan Allen and Lad McConkey in that order. And obviously Lava Conkey's been one of the most disappointing fantasy guys this year. But three good receivers, a really good running back. Like the, everything is there except for the offensive line. But like no teams have a good offensive line anymore. There are zero good offensive lines. So I don't know, I kind of just think he's going to normalize back and kind of look closer to what we saw the first couple of Weeks and he's just another guy. I just like believe in him as a talent. He's such a good player so I would probably hold on to him.

[A]

Jada Daniel's coming back obviously playing this week. Terry McLaurin not sure.

[C]

He's not playing. Yeah, he's out.

[A]

Oh, there you go.

[C]

They declared him out.

[B]

Debo, you're playing. And the running back situation's pretty.

[C]

Steve O's not practicing either by the way. Right.

[B]

The running backs are weird though. It's like it's basically a three headed backfield now. It's like Rodriguez, McNichols, Bill Merritt, hard.

[A]

To play any of those guys. Bill Merritt's a good bit the other guy. It's hard to play anyone other than Merritt and even Bill Merritt. I don't think it's like it's not crazy. It's like a bi week fill in. Titans are at the Cardinals this week. Cardinals are favored by eight and a half.

[C]

We are on fire. Callahan watch.

[B]

Is it, is this the game you'll, you'll are least excited to watch?

[C]

Yeah, this is I think probably the most boring game of the slate. They no one cares about the Titans right now. The Cardinals are probably up there in terms of teams people don't really care about. It might not shock you that the Tennessee Titans are last in dvoa. They have three total touchdowns this season. The next closest team, the next closest bad team has six touchdowns. So twice as many. Yeah, I, I want to see Cam Ward slowly start to make some progress. Obviously he's been really, really bad through the first four games and obviously the surrounding cast is, is not very good. Coaching arguably has not been very good and obviously like Titan fans feel that way. And so I want to see Ward start to make some baby steps and go forward and like score some touchdowns. That would be great. Don't know if it's going to happen this week against Cardinals. The big question I have for fantasy here is did Marvin Harrison actually get over the hump by making that big touchdown Pat or catch last week against the Seahawks or is it just like going to go back to what we've seen every other game?

[B]

I'll let somebody else Enjoy, Marvin Harrison Jr.

[A]

If you have him, you're playing him after.

[B]

I'll revisit him next season.

[A]

I think the real question if you're on buys and everything, you had James Connors after the season you probably a lot of people probably spent a ton of auction money on in free agency for like Trey Benson goes to insured reserve which is just fantasies stupid.

[C]

The Cardinals backfield is fantasy hell.

[A]

Now it's back.

[B]

Now we don't know how.

[C]

Now we don't know who the starter.

[A]

Is even gonna be. Schefter said Michael Carter is going to be the starter and I think what's going to happen is Michael Carter is going to be like early down guy and Amari de Mercado. Tcu Go Frogs for Kai is the passing down scat back work. I think DeMarcado looks better but also I kind of do think Michael, Michael Carter is like he's slow but I think he's. I think the coaches just trust him to hit the hole the way that it's designed in a way that DeMarcado would have a higher ceiling I think because if he could get more early down work he would get pass catching. But I kind of. If you're in like the I'm just praying for a touchdown mode for your flex then I think you could play Michael Carter. I do think he's going to be the starter and they're going to split.

[C]

Work but this is the world we live in right now.

[A]

It's tough.

[C]

It's really. Michael Carter who was not even on Dynasty rosters before like three days ago is now going to be in your starting lineup. Good stuff.

[A]

He is playable. I think he's the worst player that's like you could play and I wouldn't, I wouldn't like oh, I'm definitely not going to see double digits points from that guy.

[C]

It's tough. It's just tough because I could see him have four carries for 11 yards or you know score 20 points like I. Either one is totally like reasonable.

[B]

It's just brutal for all the people who spent like $70 on Trey Benson. Brutal to get them for one week.

[A]

Fantasy stupid. Sunday Night Football this week is the Patriots are at the Bills.

[B]

Bills are fun game.

[A]

Eight and a half points. It is fun. I think this is a dk. Where are you at how Drake May is playing this? This is like a very well I.

[C]

Think you know there's been some stats being thrown around after one month. May is by far the cleanest of the 2024 quarterbacks this season. The the second year quarterbacks. He's averaging eight yards per attempt which is first among all those players.

[A]

So that's.

[C]

That includes Pennix, Caleb, Jaden, Nix and Rattler on that list. So he's eight yards per attempt. That's first. Best completion rate, best pass rating which is 109 by the way. Very good. 54% success rate. Another very good number. He's first among all those players and so, you know, he's been by far the cleanest. The. I guess the caveat here would be the defenses that they've faced have not been strong. Las Vegas, Miami, Pittsburgh and Carolina. Buffalo is obviously a good test for them. But you know, the Buffalo's defense is 21st DVOA. It hasn't been like top tier. I think this could be like a high scoring game actually because Buffalo's defense or Buffalo's offense is the best offense in the NFL according to dvoa. And I think. I think I'm hoping that the Patriots can score some points here to make it like a really interesting game. And the way that May has been playing, I think they could.

[B]

Yeah, he's looked really good. I think the, the. The biggest question is like the, the whack a mole of. Of Patriots pass catchers and running backs. Who's going to be the one to actually. That you should actually start in fantasy because May. May is the QB5 right now in fantasy. But it's like the fumble situation with Herman Dre did not immediately translate to Trayvon Henderson getting a lot of work. He did score a touchdown. You have Stefan Diggs who came on, who had a big week last. Last week it started out being K. Sean Booty seemed like the guy that's completely disappeared. Demario Douglas has never really popped, no pun intended. And now it's like it's, it's. Hunter Henry has been like the most consistent option with this team, but it's like, I don't know. Heifetz, do you feel good at starting any of these players out outside of Hunter Henry?

[A]

No. I think that Diggs might be the guy going for. I think Diggs is a classic towards ECL and look bad for a few weeks and then like look better last week. And I think that Diggs could be the guy going forward and maybe he will be able to get back to the original reason they got him, which was to beat man coverage. I May is obviously the safest person to play. I'm torn. Bill. Bill said in a show he thought this would be close. I do actually think Bill is a. I actually do think he's right when he says that he's an honest arbiter of like boss. I do when the Patriots suck, he says it. I will say though, I don't know. I'm torn between oh maybe man and Joshua go back and forth. I think that this is a. This Bill's Patriots Game is a Chrysler 300. Looks like a Phantom until Phantom rolls up. I think the Bills are another level and there's still just another level of talent. I think that it's, I'm more interested for this game about Mike Vrabel keeping it close. And I'm just curious to see what the Patriots do on defense and everything, because I still really respect Rabel as a game planner. Even just that Steelers game, like, if the Patriots just didn't turn over the ball so much, that kind of would have been like a blowout. So I'm curious. I, I, I, I think May is an incredible fantasy asset and he's like an argument for preseason hype, like being accurate. Like Drake, May is everything people thought he could be as a preseason hype. And if you reach for him, he was still good. It's kind of like May, Tyler, Warren, Ibuka, all the people who had all the hype. Like, really, those guys did deliver. But for fantasy. I don't feel good playing any of the pass catchers in New England right now. It's just.

[C]

You think there's any revenge game stuff with Diggs going back to B.U. below?

[A]

Oh, yeah, right.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

You should definitely play Stefan Diggs. What am I talking about? No, I'm not even kidding. I, you actually, they're definitely gonna get things.

[C]

It's been a couple years, but I mean, I could see it.

[B]

He's.

[A]

That's very silly of me. I'm a huge believer in revenge games and I, I actually would play Stefan Diggs. I'm not kidding. I think that that's a good example of a situation where they're going to get him a touchdown.

[C]

I think he's kind of, you know, we were talking to some Bill to some Patriots be reported before the season. It was like, is it, is Booty going to be the guy? Is it demario Douglas? And I think that what we mainly heard was that eventually it will be Diggs. Like right now it's probably not going to be Diggs because he's starting slow and everything coming off the injury, but I think we're starting to see that. So Diggs would be the guy that I feel the most comfortable starting here. When you go to the other side of the ball, the Bills pass catcher rotation remains a total fantasy nightmare as well. I think Khalil Shakir is the de facto number one for for that team, but he only plays like 60% of the snaps. He's not in there for the most part. On three receiver sets, sets. Keon Coleman started strong 25 points a week one subsequently has scored four, three and a half and five points. So basically, and I don't know if Dalton Kate is right now, maybe you're desperate, but Duncan Kincaid is a very risky start because he's not. He's not even playing half the snaps right now and he's just getting by on touchdowns. And I don't know if that's going to continue or not. So, yeah, this. Both of these teams, I think the receivers are in big, heavy multiple receiver rotations. They have. They play them in certain scenarios. So it's just like a total nightmare for fantasy. So it's kind of a bummer. It continues to be. There continues to not be like any reliable pass catchers for the Bills in that Josh Allen offense.

[B]

There is something funny about the best offense in the NFL being a kind of a terrible fantasy football.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, all the touchdowns. James Cook is once again scoring a ton of touchdowns, which is.

[B]

It follows our theory. When somebody has a ridiculous amount of touchdowns and they're good, they're. That means they'll just keep doing that.

[A]

It will happen again. Also. Sorry, I'm anti.

[C]

Lytics.

[A]

One second. I'm busy. Stefan Diggs to score two touchdowns in this game is 19 to 1. I'm gonna bet that right.

[C]

There we go.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Oh, no, I'm not kidding. I'm literally betting that right now. Isn't that. I just think like that's gonna.

[C]

If it's loves that. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, sorry. 2:22 to 1. I am doing that right now. Revenge. Underrated. Sunday Night Football. Sorry. Monday Night Football is. Chiefs are at the Jaguars Jags getting.

[C]

Actually kind of a fun. Kind of a fun game.

[B]

I think kind of a like a big spot for the Jags. Just from like a scheduling standpoint, like the NFL giving the Jaguars this game is meaningful.

[A]

Taylor Swift will be watching this game. She will see all the empty seats.

[B]

Yeah, she will. She might even perform. Who knows, at halftime. Actually, no. This game's in Jacksonville. I. I want to say. I want to shout out Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes.

[C]

Who?

[B]

Quarterback for the Chiefs.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

He's won a couple of super bowls, right? Right.

[A]

3.

[B]

QB3. In fantasy, he's averaging 20 fantasy points a game. Very quietly.

[C]

Look at our boy.

[B]

Yes. In the first two weeks, he did it with his legs. The last two weeks, he's done it with his arms. This guy is the QB3. And the top five pass catchers he's thrown to is Hollywood Brown, Travis Kelsey, Tyquan Thornton.

[C]

The corpse of Kelsey juju Smith Shoes.

[B]

Kareem Hunt. Rashard Smith. Xavier Worthy. Nico Remigio. I mean being the QB3 with this crew is remarkable. And I want to show.

[A]

Well, it's actually because he doesn't want to throw to any of them. So he's just running well.

[B]

He the last two games only has like 20 yards rushing.

[A]

It's, no, it's, it's been very impressive. But also the Ravens injuries, I think. I, I, I, I Honestly it's really interesting to see if what the Chiefs did last week was the Ravens are, I mean again, they're kind of down seven, eight starters and it's the good ones, not the bad ones. Like sometimes they starter. It's the important players that hurt in Baltimore. Jacksonville, kind of the same. Josh Allen. Hi. Or sorry. Josh Hines Allen, who quietly having an amazing season. Will. I'm not sure he had a wrist surgery. Sorry.

[C]

Walker.

[A]

Yeah. Trayvon Walker. Sorry. The other, the other number one pick. They have travel. Walker had wrist surgery. I don't know if he's going to play on Monday. So they do have Josh Allenheim playing Josh Heinz. Kind of always get that wrong. Joshua Hines Allen. The Jags defense finally looks like a team that has like seven homegrown first round picks on their team. They're all just playing better. I will take it more seriously if the Chiefs just look good with Worthy. And part of me thinks that the Chiefs perform really well this week. The Chiefs could just go back to being a really good offense when Rashid Rice comes back. Because when Rice is there, Worthy being fed like Worthy being around did change things more than I thought. Like Worthy just looked healthier than I thought he would with the shoulder issue. And I'm really curious if that was just the Ravens broke down or if the Chiefs are going to go back to making everything so fucking hard every play.

[C]

Yeah, I'm very curious to see whether this was like an actual mojo change. Like Xavier Worthy came in and kind of changed things for them. Maybe this is what they actually were going to look like before Worthy got hurt on like the first play of their game. Of the first game. But yeah, this Jags defense is solid. Number three in DVOA right now. They've only faced one good offense so far in Cincinnati. Their other opponents, Panthers, Texans and 49ers. I mean the 49ers are just so banged up. I don't know if they're necessarily a good offense. So it is gonna, I think it's a test for both of these teams, honestly. If the Jags can hold the Chiefs down and stifle them, then I think. I believe that the Jags are really good defense. And if. If the Chiefs can come out and play well and execute and be efficient and explosive and do the things they did last week, then I'll believe they're a good offense.

[B]

This is a good transition into Ringer 107 because. Which is brought to you by FanDuel because the Chiefs are favored by three points in this game and Bill and Sal were joking that they want to take the Jags and then they were like halfway through this game. Are we going to sit back and think, did we really just bet on Trevor Lawrence over Patrick Mahomes?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you guys. Do either of you have this game? It sounds like you both are, like, interested in taking Jacksonville. Is this one of your picks?

[A]

No, I'm not Monday Night Football. I'm not betting against Mahomes on Monday football. The Chiefs are giving three. Right. Like that is the right.

[B]

Which favored by three.

[A]

Yeah, the Chiefs are favored by three points. I think that's.

[C]

I hate the term give. They're giving it something some like gambling. Gambling slang for the most part, but like that one for some reason just drives me insane.

[A]

You like giving or getting more?

[C]

Yeah, I think. I think we should just not say that when we're talking about betting. But yes, I. I did not have them circle. I think I would probably take the Chiefs in this one. What would you do, Craig?

[B]

I don't have this game as a. As a pick. I. I went with you. I'm gonna go through the. The game. Yeah, I feel like.

[A]

Let's figure out what we're gonna take here. So Ringer 107. We're competing with the other podcasts here at the Ringer and so. So yeah, we take them five bets each week. Four games and then a fifth one. That could be a game or a parlay or something.

[B]

I like my America's team, Indianapolis favored by six and a half versus the Raiders. I like the Dolphins favored by a point and a half versus Carolina. I like Jackson Dart getting a point half versus the Saints. And I like Denver plus four and a half versus the Eagles. What do you guys.

[C]

Why do you like Denver against the Eagles? Just because of the overall vibe struggles or what?

[B]

I think the Eagles are in a lot of close games and I think Denver's defense is obviously fantastic and I think the Eagles offense is on the brink of having a shart of a game and I just I think Denver could win this game outright. And so if that's the case, I feel like I would take them getting four and a half points.

[C]

I do like it when Craig gets conviction about something. So I, I could go with you on that.

[A]

Undefeated Eagles.

[B]

Well, my conviction, conviction last week was that the Rams plus three and a half made sense. And I'm taking that as a spiritual win. Had it not been for that stupid or two weeks ago, that stupid punt return or block kick for a second that ruined everything. That was a spiritual win. So I, I was right there and I don't know, I said in the FanDuel ad, like, these Eagles games are close. Like, you don't think Denver could win this game.

[C]

I'm fine with taking that. I'm fine with doing it.

[B]

I mean, if you feel confident, if.

[A]

You feel confident with. We can do it.

[C]

Do you want me to tell you mine real quick and then we can.

[B]

Yeah, let's see if there's overlap.

[C]

So the ones that I had circle were lions favored by 10 and a half or at the Bengals.

[B]

Right. You think it should be 19?

[C]

I just, I think it should be 28. No, and, and obviously it was everything. And then also, just like you said, Dan Campbell has never been shy about just pouring it on. Just, let's go. Like he, they'll be winning by 20 and he'll be running trick plays and stuff, doing tricks. I had, I had the. Yeah, I had the Giants at Saints Dart versus Rattler. I think the offenses in terms of talent right now with. With neighbors out probably somewhat. Maybe the, the. Even the, The Saints are more talented. But I think Dart is going to be better than Rattler.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And the Giants defense is a clear better side, I think. And then I had the Seahawks minus three. So favored by three against the Bucks just because of the injury situation.

[B]

Okay. Hi, Fitz. What do you got?

[A]

I just, I agree with all those things and I just see. Do you know you just like Game of Thrones. You're looking at the Flames. Like, I can just see how it's like I just seen Baker drive down to like beat Seattle. You know what I mean? Improbably.

[B]

But I don't like betting against Baker.

[A]

I agree with that. They're all so.

[C]

Also, by the way, the Seahawks are at home in this game. We had it written down incorrectly.

[A]

But I kind of want to just. If we lose against Baker, we cannot bet against the Bucks the rest of the season. But I do think the Seahawks are the best team in the NFL that are not being Treated like it. And maybe that's really unwise to say about Darnold, but maybe it's more. Also more of a playoff problem where it's like Donald won 14 games last year and I kind of think there's just value right now and just kind of just taking the Seahawks. I kind of want to just take the Seahawks next every week until it doesn't work.

[B]

Okay, so you want to do I.

[A]

Kind of like the Lions ten and a half thing? I know it's kind of crazy to lay that many points. I don't really care. I kind of want to do it. I think the Lions are going to score 20, 28, 30 points and I just don't. So I don't think the Bengals.

[C]

I mean the Bengals are just a neft on both sides of the ball. Weird happens in the NFL every week.

[A]

You can lose, but I'm like, I just think the Lions are going to put up 30.

[B]

Yeah, I think you're right. All right, so then do we want to do Lions, Giants, Broncos for me.

[A]

Colts and Seahawks, we all just instantly agree the Giants was a good bet. That's always. That's a sign for Castano.

[B]

You want to bail? We could bail.

[A]

Should we take the Saints? A bit of good start.

[C]

Two weeks the lemons and bail.

[A]

Keep betting against dart so that he keeps winning for you.

[B]

Just for you. How do we feel?

[C]

Do you guys like Wait, hyphens. Didn't you last week you take the Chargers?

[A]

I did.

[C]

You idiot. You should have known better. You should have known.

[B]

So mad at you. Fine. Wait, what about. What about Miami minus a point and a half versus Carolina.

[A]

Ewing theory. They're better off without Tyreek.

[B]

Carolina is terrible. Their offensive lines banged up. They have a horrible defense. Miami just beat the Jets. Miami's like quietly scored a decent amount of points the last two weeks.

[A]

I would take. I would take my. Oh my God. Dude. This is so crazy. You take Miami without Tyreek.

[C]

Wait, hold on. Before you choose on Miami.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Did we talk about Texans favored by 1 1/2 against the Ravens? Like, do we not.

[B]

That's the rattiest rat.

[A]

No, we're not. I. I refuse to bet on what's his name?

[C]

Yeah, Cooper Rush.

[B]

There's something up.

[C]

Cooper Rush and the worst defense in the NFL through four weeks.

[B]

That just shows you how disastrous Stroud is and what they can thinks about.

[C]

All right, all right. Just wanted to throw it out there.

[A]

It is funny to think the Ravens are probably gonna win that game.

[B]

The Ravens are gonna win that game. We should take the Ravens.

[A]

Should we just take the Ravens?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Should we just do it?

[B]

Wait.

[A]

Because this is what the Costanza is for. The Castanza we got off track last year. The Castanza.

[B]

Should we flex and take the. The Ravens money line just to let the everyone else know in Ringer 107 that we're. We're not around. We're taking plus odds. We're taking dogs straight up.

[A]

That actually is. That actually is really funny. Honestly.

[C]

No, no, we shouldn't.

[A]

I think that's so. No, I think that's so funny. We should do it.

[B]

What? Raven straight up.

[A]

I don't think we can do that.

[C]

That's not an option.

[A]

Yeah, we can.

[B]

We could totally do that.

[A]

We could absolutely do it.

[B]

It has to be minus 120 or worse.

[A]

We don't even want.

[C]

No, that's true.

[A]

That's a good bit. We don't want the points. We take the money line just to embarrass people.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. The money. Yeah. We don't. We just take the money line. What is it, like +140? Like, let's do it.

[A]

All right, I think that's so. Should we actually. I think that's so funny.

[B]

Bet on cooperation.

[A]

Versus the Texans defense.

[C]

It would really feel pretty bad, but.

[B]

It would really suck if they lost by one.

[A]

Yeah. Or just like 20.

[B]

All right, so we're not gonna do the Giants. Well, you wanna do.

[A]

We can do the job. Let's do the Giant screw. They'll be. Oh, God.

[C]

I think we got. We do the Giants. I'm less confident about the Seahawks now that Heifers is like talking about Picker Mayfield. And Craig doesn't want to bet against Baker Mayfield. That's fine. Drop the. Drop the Seahawks and. And take one of these other teams.

[B]

Drop the Seahawks. Take the Ravens plus one and a half.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Oh, my God. We're betting against the Eagles. We're betting on just. This is our new thing. We have to say this stuff out loud. We're betting on the Lions minus ten and a half versus the Bengals. I'm. I'm okay with that. You could lose, but I don't care. We're betting on Jackson Dart. Second start.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We're betting on against the Eagles with Bonix. We're betting on Daniel Jones and the Colts versus the Raiders. Well, they're giving almost a touchdown. A touchdown to the Raiders. And we're betting on the Ravens with Cooper Rush and the most injured defense in 10 years.

[C]

That one is I think more of a bit.

[A]

That is a bit.

[B]

What do you say? Touchdown to the Raiders. The Colts have been kicking the shit out of bad teams.

[A]

I know. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just saying I'm trying to narrate it out loud so we don't look up and like do the Trevor Lawrence versus Mahomes thing. I'm just trying to say the quarterback.

[B]

We're going 50 this week. Let's book it.

[A]

Screw it. All right, today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel. Odd subject to change. All right, you want to do a fantasy court? Get out of here. You want to get out of here?

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

Definitely don't tell anyone about this thing that you're doing.

[A]

I don't really want to be handcuffed.

[B]

The definition of an object is a material thing that can be seen and touched.

[A]

All right, this. This is from Chris. Chris cbone breakfast was almond butter on rice cake. Cake.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Rice cakes are not my favorite.

[B]

No, that's just almond butters.

[C]

Just the driest substance on earth.

[B]

Yeah. And plus the almond butter is like even. That's.

[C]

That's that. How do you breathe? How can you get that? How can you even swallow that? Scammer Seth, the most powerful saliva known to man.

[A]

It's like dry turkey. Yeah, the alien acid.

[C]

This guy's got like fucking Komodo dragon saliva. Break that.

[B]

Maybe he just swallows it whole like a snake.

[A]

Well, Chris says please settle this debate in my league full of 40 year old dads, in case that wasn't obvious from my breakfast of trying to lower my cholesterol. So there you go.

[C]

Okay, well, I. I support that. That's fine.

[A]

I don't think it didn't sound like you did.

[C]

Just like you might want to soak it in water or something. That's all like grits. Anyway, continue.

[B]

I would disintegrate immediately.

[A]

It's crazy porridge. What is the purpose of a shotgun? Zero point punishment.

[B]

Oh, dk.

[A]

So dk. DK was freaking out in the. Honestly, we were literally in the press box for Viking Steelers. DK's teacher Hawkinson had no catches and.

[C]

He turned to the trust tree. I thought that we were.

[A]

Well, if you really want to cut it, we can cut it.

[C]

No, it's fine.

[A]

In the middle of the game, he.

[B]

Turns to us, he's like, yeah, we.

[C]

Were in the fourth quarter and I kept looking over at Craig like, come on, Hawkinson, you're killing me.

[B]

I know.

[C]

When I ended up, he ended up with like, Craig looked at me and said, this is a big.

[A]

Explains what's going on in your league.

[C]

And then he had like three catches on the job.

[A]

Explain.

[C]

So in my league, in my main home league, if you get a zero from any player, including defense, by the way, Craig, I didn't, I don't know if I told you, but I did get a zero for the packers. So I had to shotgun a beer when I got home from a 11 hour flight.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

In our league, if you get a zero from any player, you have to shotgun a beer and videotape it and send it to the league as your quote unquote punishment.

[A]

So, yeah, Chris, Chris's question. I was inspired to read this because of your thing. Dk that you freaking out. We're literally in Ireland. This is what you're worried about in the press box?

[B]

Well, when I found out that he wasn't allowed to just have a Guinness, then I, I did feel for him.

[A]

So Chris says our rule is to have a, you know, a shotgun zero for any player, zero points. But recently it's been argued that unexpected early injuries should not count. So for example, Xavier worthy gets a zero in Week 1, but he gets hurt in the third play of the game. And on one hand, the argument is that the intention of a shotgunning for zero is to punish people for not paying attention, not for bad injury luck. The opposite argument is fuck you. It's really funny.

[C]

That's it.

[B]

That's it.

[C]

You nailed it. You encapsulated it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It's actually funnier if it's Xavier Worth getting hurt on the third Play the game, everyone. So in my league, it's always people just do the peace sign when someone goes out of a game or whatever. It's like so worthy piece. It's like shotgun time. And yeah, it's like even, it's even funnier or it's like it makes you. It's like a primal. It's like, yeah, you have to go shotgun a beer also. I think this is like fantasy. Like if you're really getting down into the nitty gritty of it, it's like this is, is one of, if not the best ways to keep in touch with your friends as you grow older in life and connect with them and stay, you know, stay connected and, and, and all that. And I think sending a video of yourself shot getting a beer to all your friends is a really good way to like stay connected. It's always funny. Like in our League, everybody's always really creative with the way they do it. Everybody uses, like, a different weapon of choice in terms of, like, puncturing the beer. Like, it's like. It gets ridiculous. People start bringing out, like, these massive knives to, like, do the. Did, like, a machine, like, machine.

[A]

Has anyone ever cut themselves with the big knife?

[C]

I mean, probably not. Nothing serious, obviously, but, yeah, injury should count.

[B]

The point of fantasy is that it's random and unfair.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And people. And people in the league over the years have certainly been like, man, this is a pain in the ass. And we actually have a. I can't remember what the exact term is, like, a shotgun integrity committee. And we have. So it's like, before, it used to be you had to do it before the next game was. The next week started, and now it's literally, you have to do it before the end of Monday night because too many people relax on their shotgun deliveries. And so. Yeah, I don't know. It's just. It's a good. It's a funny way to, like, stay connected. And obviously, and, you know, people who complain about it, the automatic reply is always like, look, this isn't designed to be convenient. It's actually very inconvenient. Like, I literally flew 10 hours home, drove two hours home from Seattle. So I'm traveling, and by this time, it's like six in the morning, Ireland time. I'm exhausted, and I had to go out in the rain and shotgun a beer. It was like, the most exhausted I've.

[B]

Ever been in my life. I also just love the idea of you walking in the door and your wife's like, oh, my God, it's so great to see you. And you're like, shut up, babe. Hand me a light, Craig. Not even kidding.

[C]

I was like, skippy, can you put Calvin to sleep tonight? And because I gotta go shotgun a beer.

[B]

How was your trip? Not now. I need a beer.

[C]

Walk in, sleep, slam the door. Yeah, it's like. I mean, but it. But again, it's like, number one, it's funny. And number two, it's. It is a good way to.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it.

[C]

It keeps you. It keeps you engaged in the league. And by the way, it keeps you really engaged with all your players because, like. Like, I was in the press box sweating TJ Hawkinson, not having any catches because I didn't want to have to shotgun a beer in Ireland.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Chris, you're. Don't let your league mates be cowards.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All zeros count.

[A]

Decided. Fantasy court decided.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

All right. I think that's all we got. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you again. Shout out again. Beck's for Ireland.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you. Everyone listened to our Ireland stuff. Back to regular scheduled programming, four episodes a week. Thank you for listening. Thank you, Lord.

[B]

Lord. And SNL back this week.

[C]

Thank you. The Dubliners.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

A band that plays classic Irish music. I believe they. They played it. They played a doubler song, Craig, during the game.

[B]

Oh, that live.

[C]

And everyone was singing around. No, I don't think it was one of live events. You know how they had, like, TV timeouts or whatever, and they did Zombie. They did the Jig is Up. What's that song called?

[B]

Renegade.

[C]

Renegade. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, and one of the songs I did was the Dubliners, and everyone was singing along.

[B]

What's the most famous song from them? Rocky Road to Dublin.

[A]

That's the one I.

[C]

Yes. There's also whiskey in a Jar, and I can't remember which one they played. I'd have to play this. You want to listen?

[B]

Isn't Rocky Road to Dublin what they. What Remick sings in Sinners?

[A]

No, I think like. Like a different kind of song. He's stringing like a minstrel song, I think.

[B]

Oh, I thought he was. Could be wrong.

[A]

Oh, never mind. It's Rocky Road of Dublin. I'm wrong.

[B]

Ha. Oh, there you go.

[A]

All right. You know, it's funny. You know why I was confident about that? Still got it wrong. I actually finally listened to the Sinners rewatchables because the rewatchables in August. No offense, Craig. Hard. While we're making all these shows to keep up with when we start cranking out the shows in August because there's a lot.

[B]

Oh, really Hard to keep up with for you that.

[A]

Well, it's just hard.

[C]

Someone actually has to do it.

[A]

I know stuff. So I did.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

The Sinners.

[C]

Is it too hard for you to listen to this podcast?

[A]

I listened to it at the airport.

[B]

Throw it on. All right.

[A]

Listen to the Sinners. One in the airport.

[B]

Yeah. And why were you convinced? Because of that. That it wasn't Rocky Road to Dublin?

[A]

I just. Clearly. I just thought it wasn't. They talked about it. Thought I was wrong.

[B]

Okay. All right. Well, it sounds like you didn't listen to the episode.

[A]

Whoops.

[B]

All right, well. Shouts out sinners. Good movie.

[C]

I watched Barbie on the way home from Dublin.

[B]

Barbie rips.

[C]

Yeah, that's good. I also watched the Ballerina.

[A]

I watched Ballerina in the play. I had that up on the plane, too. I like movies that you can watch on mute. Like, I don't want to put the headphones in necessarily. Like, I want to be. I wanted something. You watch it on mute and I put subtitles on. I do other stuff. What I don't want to. Because I don't want to have.

[C]

Because nothing better than when you elicit a what?

[A]

Because you have to put the volume up. Because they're not noise canceling head. I don't have noise canceling wired.

[B]

No, I get it. Those headphones suck.

[A]

So I don't want to. Frank. I don't want to play the headphones, like, with noise canceling.

[B]

The worst headphones ever.

[A]

I like them.

[C]

Yeah. They fit my ear perfectly.

[A]

But that you could get any.

[B]

You can't hear anything with those. They're like made of cardboard. They barely work.

[C]

I don't know. The ones on a lingus were pretty good for me.

[A]

I like noise canceling on a plane because that's. You cancel the noise in the engine and then you place value. Those headphones you have to play loud enough to cancel out a jet engine, which I think is probably bad for your hearing.

[B]

I. I watch movies on the little tv. I would. I will download movies on, like, a computer or iPad and do it that.

[C]

Way so that I can use my noise canceling savvy.

[B]

Watch the movie.

[A]

Yeah. But when I don't do that, I'll just put it on and just have, like, I want a visual movie.

[C]

I'm going to be honest. Boomer. Take here. I don't know how to download things onto my iPad. I tried to do it.

[A]

Are you serious?

[C]

I tried. Like, do you doubt? Can you download a show from, like, Netflix?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[C]

See, I don't know how to do that. Can you show me how to do that later?

[A]

There's a button.

[C]

Get.

[A]

We'll get on.

[C]

We'll get on a Zoom. You'll walk me through it?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Kind of like how you, like, walk Pete Carol through, like, setting up his.

[B]

His first. We'll talk on the phone about how to launch a Zoom.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Which we call. We just do a FaceTime.

[C]

Oh. Oh, I don't know.

[A]

But FaceTime is when you FaceTime and then you have to, like, you're helping your mom or dad or something. Do something. And they're like, what do I hit? I'm like, I don't. I don't know what you're looking at. I need you to tell me what you're seeing. Like, read it from top to bottom what the words are.

[B]

That's the only way. Like, I just download things from all the streaming services and watch them on the plane.

[A]

Craig, I don't want to be dramatic.

[C]

You could do that.

[A]

Is that is him saying he doesn't know to download something? Is that the oldest thing he's ever said?

[C]

No, there's been older things that I don't know.

[A]

Well, also, wait. If you open up Netflix right now on your phone, do you have Netflix on your phone? No.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I'm sorry, I don't.

[A]

That's okay.

[B]

I respect that.

[A]

I do.

[B]

He only. He saves it for the big screen.

[A]

Do you have Netflix on your iPad?

[C]

I don't watch it on my medium screen or my small screen.

[A]

Small. Yeah, just. That's like.

[C]

Yeah, no, I think. Here's the deal. I think I remember going. I remember you were watching downloaded movies on your iPad, and I was like, oh, that's a good idea. And then I went to download it onto my iPad, and I think I'm like, I could only fit, like, one. They're big files, right? Like, they're very large.

[A]

You can definitely. I have downloaded. You can download, like, an entire season.

[B]

Yeah, because it's like storage on your phone. Like, you. You could absolutely download many, many things. I've downloaded five to 10 movies, probably. It's totally. All you do is when you. When you're about to click play on a movie, like Moneyball or something, right next to play or like, right around the. There's a. There's a download. But you said download.

[C]

Oh, okay. Actually, you know what? I'm thinking back, and I think I was trying to download games, NFL games, and those were big.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

And I could only, like, download one. And I was like, okay, that's also.

[A]

That's definitely different.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. All right, sorry. Well, you know, I still want you to walk me through it.

[B]

So you watched Barbie on those shitty headphones?

[C]

I did, yeah. The ones I really like. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You probably missed half the jokes. You probably love it if you actually.

[C]

Could hurt the fart. Where Gosling was, like, basically saying, you know, I originally I thought the patriarchy was just basically about horses. Like, that really got me.

[B]

He loves horses.

[C]

Gosling.

[A]

Every time horses. Jack and I walk around dc, and every time there's, like, a horror, like, horse. You know, the. Obviously a ton of horse statues in dc.

[B]

Yeah. Dude in the mall, and he's, like, seeing men in suits, like, making decisions, and why. He's, like, completely entranced.

[A]

Dude, the guys and he's like. He's like, you're not doing patriarchy, right? And the guy's like, no, no, no, no, we're. We're doing great.

[C]

No, but it was very funny. No, and thought provoking, you know, Dude.

[A]

Also, honestly, one of the funniest dumb. A line I can't believe they kept was, she's like, not a fascist. I don't control the flow of commerce or the railways.

[B]

I. I stand by that. I think. I don't. The consensus on Barbie, I think, is kind of like. Like, I don't know. I think it's kind of fallen out of public favor a little bit. And I think Barbie is like such a. Had such a high degree of difficulty and could have been an abject disaster in so many people's hands. I do really feel like it's such a. It's such a success for. For Greta Gerwig and Noah Bomback that they actually pulled that off a Barbie movie, and it made a billion dollars and is really funny and well written. I just think that. Incredibly impressive.

[C]

I also thought it was very funny. All the references to, like, real life Barbies that they did there was like, sugar Daddy. Barb. Sugar, like the. Whatever. I forget what the character's name was like sugar Daddy. And they're like, that was a real thing.

[B]

Yeah, Michael. Sarah's great in it.

[A]

It's so good.

[C]

And then weird Barbies, you know, I had two sisters, so we had a lot of weird Barbies in our. In our house.

[A]

This is a good corner for us, reviewing things from, like, a year ago.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Right, right.

[B]

I've always thought that there should be a show that you just, like, talk about things that happened a year ago.

[A]

Wait, don't. Wait, don't just give that away. Cut that right. Cut that shit. Bleep it.

[B]

Most people are not up to date on things. Most people, like, get to things later. I know. They're giving away general public.

[C]

The general public watches shows that came out like, a year or two ago, right?

[B]

Like, totally. You call like, last year tonight or something?

[C]

Last year, I just. I. Dude, I just finished Peaky Blinders.

[A]

Should we do that on Sunday?

[B]

Yeah, last.

[A]

At the end of the show. Last year.

[B]

Tonight. Last year tonight.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, I just watched Stranger Things. Pretty good.

[A]

We either start doing this, like, soon, like this weekend, or we cut this from the show and figure out a way to do it.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how much. I don't know how much is there? We'll.

[A]

We'll see last year.

[B]

No, there's a lot there actually. I have thought about it. I do think it's a funny idea. I don't know if it's like an idea that you could do forever or if it's like a fun couple of one offs, but it is a funny idea. All right.

[C]

I feel like that's my whole life. You guys always make fun of me. I'm like, I get to things about one exactly 365 days later. Did you guys see this Oppenheimer show? It's amazing.

[B]

I also, I do think it's. I, I find it really funny. I think sometimes the best time to get somebody's take on a movie is a year after it came out. Like. Yeah.

[C]

Because they're not like, they're not in.

[B]

The hyper or like friends opinions. Like, like Liz recently watched Oppenheimer and you know, it's been so long or whatever. We talked about it and I was like, oh yeah, like you finally saw Oppenheimer. She's like, yeah. And I was like, did you like it? She was like, like, no. Boring.

[A]

Titillated by the, the Senate subcommittee hearing at the end. She really loved that, didn't she?

[B]

Yeah, she loved that.

[A]

She loved the Senate subcommittee hearing where they.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Gave Robert Downey Jr. To Oscar and pretended it wasn't because Iron man was sick. But we wouldn't admit it at the time.

[C]

Can we not go down this road again? Christ.

[A]

Everyone just was like, fine. We loved Iron Man. Here's a award for your boring ass gear.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Every just pretended like that was interesting.

[C]

I know, I know.

[A]

It's fine.

[C]

I know. I know.

[A]

Barbie not was. Barbie not didn't. What was they were nominated for? What?

[B]

Greta Gerwig didn't get best Director, which is ridiculous. But the movie got best picture.

[A]

This is Bill's best. Take that. The Oscar should be like one to five years later.

[B]

100.

[A]

That is definitely true because it would be so much more obvious.

[B]

Let's do it right now. The 2020 Oscars.

[A]

The ultimate one's. The shape of Water beating. Get out.

[B]

I know. 2020 Oscars was actually awesome. That was the last great year in movies.

[A]

Oh, I guess that makes. I guess that makes sense.

[B]

That was Parasite. Ford vs Ferrari. Irishman Jojo Rabbit Joker Little Women Marriage Story 1917. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Dude, come on.

[A]

That's pretty good actually.

[B]

Parasite one. I'm fine with that. Put. But, but you know, like shape of.

[C]

Water winning, you know it's like Jojo Rabbit. Very funny movie also. Yeah, that's also sad.

[A]

Like, actor in a supporting role. Would you ever nominate Al Pacino for the Irishman again?

[B]

Certainly not. I've been sitting on an Al take for five years, and I'm waiting to release.

[A]

I think I know what it is.

[C]

If you're sitting on it. Here's a. Here's a little side.

[B]

I have to wait for the hottest take.

[C]

Craig, I watched the first, like, 30 minutes of alto nights.

[A]

Oh, I could tell. We had the same.

[C]

Where Robert De Niro played two people in the movie. Yeah, I guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Can we find more actors? Do they. Do we not have enough actors?

[B]

You have a problem with sinners too, then?

[C]

Well, that one. I get more. No, I'm just like.

[B]

The story behind Alto Nights is Barry Levinson directed it. Barry Levinson's 83 years old. He did, like, a bunch of great movies. The Natural, Good Morning Vietnam. But he's friends with David Zasov, who's the. Who's the head of Warner Brothers. And David Zaslav was just like, hell, yeah. Oh, and Nicholas Peggi, the guy who wrote it's like, 95 years old. It was based. It was friends with David Zaslav, and David Zaslav was just like, we're making this movie. I don't care. They spent $50 million on it, and it made nine.

[A]

That's.

[C]

I got to say, it was not very good.

[B]

It was the most like, I'm just gonna let my friends cook.

[C]

And that was it.

[B]

The. The guy who wrote it's 92, but he wrote Goodfellas.

[A]

The other thing here with the Oscars this year was the Two Popes with Anthony Hopkins. Did I ever tell you guys my. The two Popes pitch I gave to the ringer?

[B]

Yeah. It was like there was, like, a bunch of pope going on at the same time.

[C]

Right? There's a bunch of pope going on.

[B]

Because it was the two popes, and then it was like the new pope.

[A]

So there was. There was the.

[C]

The young.

[A]

The two popes was Anthony Hoppins. Hopkins was Benedict, and. And then it. It was about the relationship between Benedict and Francis at the Vatican. But at the same time, there was the. The Young Pope. That Jude Law show. The second season of it Sick. Yeah. And then the second season was he goes to a coma. They have another conclave. They elect John Malovich, and then he wakes up at the coma.

[C]

John Malovich. Yep.

[B]

Joke.

[C]

Pope John Malkovich. The.

[A]

Yeah. But there's two popes in the show, so I was like, I wanted to make a ringer, like, mockumentary about the making of the two pope shows, and I wanted to, like, talk about the rivalry between the two pope shows and the real the movie, the two Popes. And then halfway through, we would find out that another company is also making a mockumentary about the two pope shows. And there was like, like, like two. And then at the end, we realized that a different company is making, like, a movie about, like, how we're both making two movies, movies about the two pope shows. And Jason Gallagher was like, I, we don't have time to do that.

[C]

It's like, just put the chips for that doc idea.

[B]

What was the name?

[A]

I actually probably list somewhere to pope too Furious or something. I forget popception. I forget what the name.

[B]

Two popes. One doc.

[A]

Yeah, One doc. Yeah, something like that.

[B]

Okay, well, we'll launch that with our new media company called last year, Tonight, last conclave.

[C]

This. This fits my schedule very well, Craig. So I'm into this.

[A]

See?

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

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