Week 5 Recap: Drake & Josh, Baker Beats Darnold, Dumb Fumbles, Sad Herbert, and Eric Collins Returns

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show: Week 5 Recap

Episode: Drake & Josh, Baker Beats Darnold, Dumb Fumbles, Sad Herbert, and Eric Collins Returns
Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck

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Main Theme

This week’s episode is a whirlwind recap of the biggest moments and weirdest storylines from Week 5 of the 2025 NFL season—through a fantasy football lens. The hosts break down surprising QB performances (including the “Drake & Josh” duel), dumbfounding fumbles, the ongoing sadness of Justin Herbert’s season, and why Eric Collins is the best sports announcer alive. Plus, debates about jersey fonts, unlucky coaching, fantasy “burn book” banishments, and plenty of zany stat lines.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Sunday Night Football Recap: Patriots Beat Bills, "Drake & Josh" Duel

[01:33–08:59]

• Patriots 23, Bills 20: The crew opens by dissecting a “weird” and “safe” game in which Patriots rookie QB Drake May played his most mature, composed game of the season, beating Josh Allen and the Bills.
• Mike Vrabel’s effect: The hosts joke about new Patriots coach Mike Vrabel dragging opponents “down to their level” and praising his game management in a sloppy but victorious effort.
• Drake May’s breakthrough:
  • “I feel like both quarterbacks spent the entire day on the sideline about to step out of bounds making throws.” — Danny Heifetz [02:24]
  • “My impression from this game was Drake May is legit. … This game was very much a reinforcement of what I originally thought.” — Danny Kelly [02:53]
  • “He did a lot of Josh Allen shit here without the Josh Allen, Carson Wentz, brain rot mistakes.” — Greg Korbeck [04:19]
• Vrabel compared to NFL legends: Debate whether Vrabel is more “Belichickian” or “Bill Parcells-ian,” and compared to Mike Tomlin when he took over the Steelers.
• Fantasy Fallout:
  • Ramondre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson both fumbled but stayed in the game—crediting Vrabel for not being overly punitive.
  • “How many lives does [Ramondre] have?” — Danny Kelly [08:04]

2. Jersey Font & Weird NFL Ephemera

[08:10–10:26]

• Small-Name Jersey Mystery:
  • The hosts spend several minutes dumbfounded by the abnormally tiny name font on Trayveon Henderson’s jersey.
  • “It looks like a Ross Dress For Less version. … They didn’t even give him a real jersey.” — Danny Kelly [09:06]
• Bills’ “Cold Front” jerseys: Met with lukewarm reception, hosts call them “a snow game jersey” not fit for October.

3. Seahawks–Buccaneers: Baker Beats Darnold in Shootout

[10:56–16:21]

• Offensive Explosion:
  • 720 passing yards, 6 TDs, only 10 incompletions between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold.
  • Both Ohio State WRs (Jackson Smith-Njigba and Emeka Egbuka) shine.
• Baker’s Grit: “Baker Mayfield just keeps winning games on grit and moxie and smelling salts.” — Danny Kelly [11:10]
• Flow State:
  • “At the end of games, Baker just has that intangible flow state. … Darnold gets a little tighter.” — Danny Heifetz [19:13]
  • “He’s like a Josh Allen impersonator. Like a really uncanny good cover band.” — Greg Korbeck [07:33]
• Sam Darnold’s Renaissance: Seahawks made the right call in trading away Geno Smith for Darnold, who has matured into a real starting QB.
• Surprising Contracts: “Darnold has one of the best quarterback contracts in the NFL right now… they just signed him.” — Danny Kelly [16:04]

4. Eagles’ Collapse & Roster Concerns

[22:21–28:49]

• Blowing a Lead: Eagles lose to the Broncos after being up 17–3 in the 4th quarter. Struggles to run the ball (“one designed run in the second half” and only 6 Saquon Barkley carries), O-line injuries, and uncertainty in offensive identity.
• Receiver Issues: AJ Brown and Devonta Smith both have good numbers but visible frustration. “AJ Brown literally tackled Devonta Smith in the end zone for the Hail Mary.” — Danny Kelly [23:46]
• Play Calling & O-Line Problems:
  • “This is the worst O-line the Eagles have had in five, six, seven years.” — Greg Korbeck [24:33]

5. Record-Breaking Buccaneers & Franchise Competence

[20:06–21:40]

• Close Wins Stat: Bucs are “the first team in NFL history to win four of their first five games by three or fewer points” [19:53]. “You gotta give it to the Bucs. They’re one of the most competent franchises.” — Danny Heifetz
• General Manager Jason Licht: Praised as possibly the most underrated GM in football.

6. Fantasy Losers: Ravens’ Historic Meltdown, Cooper Rush’s Misery

[32:29–36:04]

• Ravens Embarrassed:
  • “Probably one of the worst games in the history of the Ravens franchise.” — Greg Korbeck [33:23]
  • Ravens allow 44 points, fall to 1–4 for only the second time with Harbaugh.
  • Lamar Jackson and several key starters out—leads to fantasy managers starting dumpster QBs like Cooper Rush.

7. Farter or Shart: Coaching Disaster Edition

[47:32–54:44]

• Jets Disaster: New coach Aaron Glenn off to an 0–5 start. Jets are the first team in NFL history to go their first five games without a defensive turnover.
• Dan Campbell Comparisons: The hosts debate whether Jets fans should be patient (“Culture takes time”) or whether this is already a lost cause.
• Fun, off-the-rails segment analyzing if bad situations in the NFL are “just a fart” (will pass) or a full-on “shart” (more serious disaster).

8. It’s So Over / We’re So Back: Season Turning Points

[37:29–46:12]

• Raiders Collapse: Geno Smith melting down on the Raiders, leading the NFL in turnovers. Pete Carroll’s old mantra (“It’s all about the ball”) cited as incompatible with Geno’s play.
• Chargers' Offense Sinks: Another “It’s over” candidate as Justin Herbert’s season craters behind a tattered O-line:
  • “There’s no amount of Madison Beer kisses pregame that can fix it—unless she can play left tackle.” — Danny Heifetz [40:15]
  • Replacement offensive linemen are literal no-names.
• Darren Waller’s Resurrection: Comes out of retirement, is “absolutely cooking” as a tight end for the Dolphins.
• Jordan Addison’s Wild Arc: Benched for skipping walkthroughs, then wins a London game on last-minute TD.

9. Most Notable Dumb Plays and Stat Lines

[72:27–83:54]

• Cardinals-Titans Game of Chaos:
  • Kyler Murray takes a snap in the face and heads to the tunnel.
  • Demercado drops the ball before the end zone on a 76-yard run, costing a sure TD.
    • “He started slowing down at the 20. … I cannot believe how often this happens.” — Danny Kelly [74:18]
  • A Titans defender intercepts, drops, and then fumbles the ball—recovered for a touchdown.
  • “The luckiest win I've ever seen.” — Danny Heifetz [80:16]
• Skycam WIre Erases a Field Goal: The Vikings kicker’s attempt clearly hits the camera wire, but play continues.
• Random Stat Lines:
  • “Lucille Bluth: I don't understand the stat line, so I won't respond to it.”
  • Jamar Chase has more tackles than catches [97:01].
  • Cowboys’ Ryan Flournoy (from Homewood Flossmoor) leads the team in receiving.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Drake May’s Breakout:
  “This was very much a reinforcement of what I originally thought. … Drake May is legit.”
  — Danny Kelly [02:53]

• Cover Band QBs:
  “He’s like a Josh Allen impersonator. Like a really uncanny good cover band.”
  — Greg Korbeck [07:33]

• On the Jets’ Defensive Turnovers:
  “The Jets are the first team in the history of the NFL to start their first five games without one turnover on defense.”
  — Greg Korbeck [52:58]

• Baker vs Darnold “Flow State”:
  “At the end of games, Baker just has that intangible flow state. … Darnold gets a little tighter.”
  — Danny Heifetz [19:13]

• Chargers O-Line Depth:
  “Austin Deculus, Foster Sorrell, the coldest, Jamari Sawyer. … I don’t know who these people are.”
  — Danny Heifetz [40:46]

• Darren Waller Resurrection:
  “He was out of the league… making music videos… Now he looks like the best receiver on the Dolphins.”
  — Danny Kelly [44:22]

• Shart vs Fart on the Jets Season:
  “The Jets aren’t even underwear — when you’re the coach, there’s no separation… it’s right in your jeans.”
  — Danny Kelly [49:33]

• Demercado Dumb Fumble:
  “He started slowing down at the 20. … I cannot believe how often this happens.”
  — Danny Kelly [74:18]

• On Injuries Ruining Fantasy and Real Life:
  “The best teams at the end of the year are the healthiest teams. Always.”
  — Danny Kelly [42:48]

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Segment Timestamps

• SNF/Drake May vs Bills Breakdown: [01:33–10:26]
• Seahawks–Bucs, Baker vs Darnold: [10:56–21:40]
• Eagles’ Meltdown & Roster Worries: [22:21–28:49]
• Farter or Shart (Jets, NFL Misery): [47:32–54:44]
• It’s So Over / We’re So Back (Raiders, Chargers, Waller): [37:29–46:12]
• Craziest Plays of the Day: [72:27–83:54]
• Fantasy “Burn Book” / Henderson Banished: [100:14–106:12]

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Memorable Moments & Miscellaneous

• The Iconic Call: The guys revel in Eric Collins’s all-time great “Still on his feet!” call [86:31–86:37], calling him “the best sports voice in the world.”
• Fantasy “Burn Book”: Trayveon Henderson gets burned for underachieving despite every opportunity presenting itself [100:14].
• Weird NFL Details: Extended obsession with Henderson’s tiny jersey font [08:10, 108:19].
• Brady, the Broadcaster: Tom Brady’s “Yoda speak” on Commanders-Chargers: “A little juice there for the Commanders’ defense… they feel the juice, the Chargers do.” [87:43]
• Coach/Ref Gripe: Sean Hochuli and NFL refs come under fire for nitpicky calls and bad explanations, especially on the Eagles' critical double motion penalty [89:55].
• Jamar Chase Tackles Over Catches: “Travis Hunter could never.” — Greg Korbeck [97:23]

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers everything a fantasy manager or NFL sicko would want—(sometimes excruciating) play-by-play breakdowns, clever insight on youth breakouts and perennial boomer busts, and a willingness to both celebrate the unlikely (Rico Dowdle! Jake Ferguson!) and roast the absurd (dropped TD balls, awful coaching, Patrick Mahomes’s rushing yard line). Hilarious, conversational, and always offbeat, The Ringer crew helps you see what mattered (and what’s meme-worthy) as you prepare for Week 6 waivers and lineup moves.

Key themes to remember for fantasy:

• Rookie QBs are finally maturing
• Health is king (again)
• Don’t trust the Chargers—ever
• Never give up on Darren Waller
• Always check a guy’s jersey font before the draft

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Notable Miscellaneous:

• Most fun with: Eric Collins calls, Skycam glitches, and arguing about whether the White Stripes are a band if they’re only two people.
• Most asked: WILL SOMEONE FIGURE OUT WHY TRAYVEON HENDERSON’S JERSEY FONT IS SO TINY? [105:00 onward]

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For a blend of sharp fantasy analysis, football oddities, and laugh-out-loud NFL banter, this episode is quintessential Ringer Fantasy Football Show.

Transcript

[Danny Kelly]

This is a real good story about.

[Danny Hy]

Bronx and his dad, Ryan. Real United Airlines customers.

[Greg Korbeck]

We were returning home, and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kathryn.

[Danny Kelly]

Andrew. I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself when I was that age.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

[Danny Kelly]

These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.

[Greg Korbeck]

Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.

[Danny Kelly]

That's how good leads the way.

[Greg Korbeck]

This episode is brought to you by Velveeta. Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first. Who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks, and cheesy jarred quesos. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hy. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Greg Korbeck, and we are going over Sunday of week five is over. We're going to go through all the games. Uh, don't forget to email us trivia questions for waivers on Monday. Don't forget to email us fantasy court cases for Fantasy Court and Power Hour Wednesdays where we go through all the games. We're starting with Sunday night Football. The Patriots beat the Bills 23:20.

[Danny Kelly]

Weird game.

[Greg Korbeck]

We really weird game. The. I honestly, I feel like dk I. I want to get into Drake made Josh Allen stuff in a second, but I do feel like this is why the Patriots hired Mike Vrabel. Like, the Patriots are a little ugly, too, but Mike Vrabel goads the Bills, who had eight turnovers all last year, to, like, two fumbles. In the first quarter, they had five penalties. The first quarter, they had 11.

[Danny Hy]

Say Mike Vrabel goaded the Bills into fumbling twice in the first quarter.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, they were just.

[Danny Hy]

Mike Vrabel did.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, what's coaching. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

At one point, like, he drags his opponents down into their level is what he.

[Greg Korbeck]

Is that not. All right, fine. Maybe goaded into it. Fine. That's. Maybe that's a stupid.

[Danny Hy]

I just thought that was funny that you're like Mike Rabel forced Two fumbles in the first.

[Danny Kelly]

Thank God he did that.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's a very New York Times opinion column. Way to say it. Fine, fair enough. But regardless, I thought they was a well coached game for a team that the Patriots also kind of had sloppiness.

[Danny Hy]

Was a very safe game. I feel like it was a mellow game that like was a really fun outcome that the Pats beat the Bills. But I feel like the Patriots and Drake May, who I associate with like chaos was very kind of like didn't make any huge mistakes, played really smart. Like, didn't make any like crazy stupid throws. He made some awesome throws. Like I feel like both quarterbacks spent the entire day on the sideline about to step out of bounds making throws.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, the. I, I believe I would like to hear what the coaches say about this. But like the, the Bill's game plan seemed to be to flush Drake May out of the pocket because it happened like every third play or every second play. He was just outside running around. He kept making really nice plays. There was one throw down the sideline to Stefan Diggs where he was sliding out of bounds. He was, he was very accurate on the run. So yeah, I was very impressed. Like overall my impression was this, from this game was Drake maybe is legit. I think there was some doubt starting to creep into my mind a little bit early on in the season. But this game was very much a reinforcement of what I originally thought, which.

[Danny Hy]

I thought it was very mature. I just thought he played really smart and I was impressed with, with how mature and safe he matured in front.

[Greg Korbeck]

Of your eyes, Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought, I guess maybe he did do that. I thought you were going to make this the debutante ball.

[Danny Hy]

Maybe he is the debutante ball.

[Greg Korbeck]

I.

[Danny Hy]

But I think there were moments where you couldn't tell which court. Like, you know, the joke is that Drake May is like the young Josh Allen. And I thought there were a lot of moments today where he did look like that.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah. So Drake May finish. Completes 22 of 30 passes for 273 yards. No touchdowns, no turnout, no picks, took four sacks. But even the, some of the sacks were kind of, I don't want to call them high iq, but I. To your. Yeah, I, I totally agree. It's. It's one of those things where the obvious thing is to me the big story which is, yeah, Drake May kind of looked a lot like Josh Allen. Like the two play sequence where he stiff armed the guy in the face while going down and just throwing the ball away would have Been really athletic. But he actually completed the ball to Diggs and then Diggs went and got the first and then kind of extended the drive. And he did that in Buffalo with Stefan Diggs. And I'm like, yeah, this actually does look like something Josh Allen would have done at the end of year two when he was kind of rounding into like a, a better player. And then the next play was. Was that the off schedule one? Oh no, wait, I wrote it. Oh no. It was followed by the whole shot and cover two where like the combo of the physical strength, the stiff armor defender and the, I don't know, guile to just kind of flip the ball. And then the next one you have the arm strength to just like hit the ball in the hole like to the receiver down. And yeah, I'm like, that's some Josh Allen shit. And Drake B did a lot of Josh Allen shit here without the Josh Allen, Carson Wentz, brain rot mistakes that usually cost him the game. And I think that's a cool thing that happens when you have talent like Drake May with Mike Vrabel's an incredible coach. Mike Vrabel's amazing. I, I think Mike Vrabel, I don't want to call this Belichickian or I don't know what the verb would be, whatever. But I think Mike Vrabel is actually more like Bill Parcels than Belichick. But I, I think this situation reminds me a lot of Tomlin taking over where Mike Tomlin getting Ben Roethlisberger when he was really Young in like 2008, whatever year. That was like I. The Rabel Drake May thing. I, I feel like we're going to have this for, for like 10, 10 years.

[Danny Kelly]

Plus there was a cool moment late in the game, Hyphetz to that point where it was. They were trying to get it. They were basically setting up for the field goal, right? And May almost took a sack. He managed to escape the sack kind of run around that he didn't panic and then he just ran. And I think it was like either a loss of one or he gained one or whatever. It's just like a. He, he turns what could have been something really bad. Like it's a five yard, six yard sack into just a no gain and there was. It zoomed in on Brable on the sideline. Like talking to Drake, he's like, you're fine, you're fine.

[Greg Korbeck]

That was fine.

[Danny Kelly]

That was great. Like, like you could see them working together. Obviously, I think May this season has been a work in progress, but this was a great. Yeah, like a debutante ball for him, basically. He just. I think if you looked at the Twitter timeline, all during the fourth quarter, people were like, patriots got a guy. They got a guy. Again, like, everyone's just, like, apoplectic, so. And. Or, you know, validating their priors or whatever. Um, there was a play in Drake May's college career where he, like, escaped the pocket, got outside, then threw a touchdown with his left hand because he got a guy draped on him. And I was like, I keep waiting for that guy to show up. And I felt like he did in this game, finally have that sort of like, outside of pocket, outside of structure, playmaking magic. And it was very cool to see.

[Greg Korbeck]

What is Drake May's ceiling, do you really think? Like. Because we can compare him to Josh.

[Danny Kelly]

Allen, but I don't think he's Josh Allen. I mean, Josh Allen, first of all, is bigger and more explosive and faster and more power. Powerful. He's sort of an alien. I've always kind of compared him to Justin Herbert, Drake May to Justin Herbert.

[Greg Korbeck]

I just like, if Justin Herbert, like, had been dating Madison Beers the whole time.

[Danny Kelly]

Herbert. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Just.

[Danny Kelly]

But like a big guy with a big arm who can make plays out of structure and make really, really incredible throws. I think that's the ceiling that you get with Drake May. Obviously, he has to prove it more than one time, but I think you saw glimpses of it tonight.

[Greg Korbeck]

No, One time's enough, right, Greg?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, if you looked at Twitter, people were kind of like, announcing his arrival. He's here. He's here for. For good.

[Danny Hy]

I mean, he beat the Bills, and that's great.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's like a Josh Allen impersonator. He's like a re. Like. Like a really uncanny. Good cover band.

[Danny Kelly]

A really good cover band.

[Greg Korbeck]

Fantasy wise, this game's also nuts because this is the second game this season. Ramanjo Stevenson and Antonio Gibson both fumbled.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude.

[Greg Korbeck]

And then Vrabel. I actually respect VL for not being the reactionary defensive coach who just kind of like, pulls the guy because he fumbles, but I agree.

[Danny Hy]

I. Look, I agree. That's what good coaches do.

[Greg Korbeck]

But we complain all the time about coaches who got fumbles and they just pull them. But Vrabel's giving Ramandre, like, it's kind of too much leash now.

[Danny Kelly]

How many years in a row has got nine lives?

[Danny Hy]

I know. It's like. It's like, how many times can he fumble before you get benched?

[Greg Korbeck]

We could get it. You know, I Don't want to be like the play Trayvon. Like it's the play Free Bird. However, I really want to ask you, why did DK you noticed this? Craig? Did you notice trivia on Henderson's nameplate? His name was the smallest font I've ever seen on a jersey.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes, it looks very weird.

[Danny Hy]

You mentioned like Drake Mays looks like a cover band. It looks like a knockoff jersey. It looks like you buy it like some flea market.

[Greg Korbeck]

Looks like Temu. I actually have a theory on this.

[Danny Kelly]

You know when Michael Scott wears the woman suit.

[Danny Hy]

Tem.

[Danny Kelly]

Office.

[Greg Korbeck]

Temu. Temu.

[Danny Hy]

I don't know. Temu.

[Greg Korbeck]

The app.

[Danny Hy]

Temu.

[Greg Korbeck]

Temu. I don't know. I've never seen.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know what either are.

[Greg Korbeck]

Heard it out loud.

[Danny Hy]

What have you ever heard somebody say, like, it's a temu this, it's a teemu that. You've never heard somebody say that?

[Greg Korbeck]

I've seen jokes in writing. I don't know how to fucking say it. Never heard anyone say it out loud.

[Danny Kelly]

I've never heard or read it.

[Danny Hy]

You gotta get out. You gotta get out in the field with people. You know what I mean? Get offline.

[Greg Korbeck]

The. Yeah, I'll hear about the app offline. But the.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like it is. It is a. Like a Ross Dress for less version of a jersey. They didn't even give him a real jersey.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, well, for people still don't know. I. I've never seen anything like it. Like, you don't. I don't know how to describe. I. I guess it goes shoulder blade to shoulder blade. All the names are the same size. And I don't think I'd ever realized I know exactly what they're supposed to look like until I saw one that looked totally wrong. And Henderson is a long name.

[Danny Kelly]

I keep thinking it's not him because I. It was just from a distance, it looks like his last name has like three letters in it.

[Greg Korbeck]

I kept getting it wrong. I was like, are they on defense? Why is there a 30? Because it's like it took up less space than like Henry Hunter. Henry and him were next to each other. And Henry was longer than Henderson. So I have a theory. There was a flag. There was a women's flag football game at halftime. I swear to God, their jerseys had the same font. And I also wonder if there was.

[Danny Kelly]

An issue the whole season. No, he's had this the whole season.

[Danny Hy]

He has had it the whole season.

[Greg Korbeck]

But. But why is it like that?

[Danny Hy]

It's bad that, like Jecory Crosby Merritt's name can fit on the back of his jersey much easier than Henderson.

[Danny Kelly]

What is the Henderson's?

[Danny Hy]

Not that long of a last name.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we get. We got a kid Pablo Torre on this and like figure out why the his letters are so small.

[Danny Hy]

What.

[Greg Korbeck]

What is going on?

[Danny Hy]

It's like somebody freaked out. It was like there's no way this is gonna fit.

[Danny Kelly]

With this font size.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

It's so bizarre.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh my God. Also we just. What do you guys think of the. The Bills jerseys? The cold front jerseys?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I didn't like, I didn't love them.

[Greg Korbeck]

It would have been cooler if they had won like 48 to 0.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Danny Hy]

They feel more cold weather. That's like a snow game jersey to me.

[Greg Korbeck]

I agree, I agree with that. It was weird to rock them in the first week of over. It's like, yeah, put him out in December.

[Danny Hy]

No. And it didn't hold a candle to Buck Seahawks, which was like one of the all time jersey.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. Well, we get that was the only.

[Danny Kelly]

Cool thing that happened in that game.

[Greg Korbeck]

Go to that game.

[Danny Hy]

Come on. There's a lot of cool things. Even Seattle had a lot of cool things.

[Greg Korbeck]

I feel like dk. How, how, how, how are you feeling? Buck Seahawks? I feel like you're. The Seahawks lost, but I do feel like we won for having watched.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Yeah. How are you going to assess winners and losers for that game?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I think if I'm trying to be like objective, the winners of the of the week were people who love offense because that game was one of the coolest back and forth barn burners we've seen in a really long time. Both quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold were absolutely lighting it up. They had 720 yards and six touchdowns together and 10 incompletions. They were just nails from start to finish. Basically the difference in the game was the Seahawks had two turnovers, including that one back breaking one at the very end of the game where Sam Darnold tried to throw the ball. He said he tried to throw the ball away. It hit a guy's helmet, bounced up and it was intercepted. And then that led to the game winning field goal. But otherwise both of these quarterbacks were so fucking good. And the receivers, the Ohio State receivers, my God, Jackson Smith and Jigba and Mecca Buka who already looks like a superstar. I think JSN has ascended to a higher plane. Like he's absolutely one of the best receivers in the NFL right now. Full stop. And then Abuka looks like he's right on his way to that. You know, just a really fun offensive game. I think both guy, both teams are scheming them up really well and kind of finding cool ways to get their guys open. Baker Mayfield just keeps winning games on grit and moxie and smelling salts. Like he had a 20 yard touchdown to Mecha Buka early in the game on a third and 15, which was just, I'm just, fuck it, he's down there somewhere. I'm throwing it up. And then later in the game he had a 57 yard reception to Emeka Abuca on a third and 13. So credit to Baker Mayfield, man, he really, you know, some incredible plays in this game. That was the difference.

[Danny Hy]

It's funny that Mecca Buka and JSN were like the two least hyped Ohio State wide receivers of the last five years. And they're the two best now.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know why? It's because they're not as athletic. They were just good at football. People want like people on Jameson Williams and Gary. Well, Gary Wilson is fine, is good. But like people want athletic guys who could be good at football, not guys.

[Danny Kelly]

Who are like, already, yeah, you're always looking for the upside or whatever. But jsn, I mean, jsn, it's funny that we say he's not athletic because I do think he moves differently than almost any receiver. His body control is insane. The way he can corner and turn and twist and contort his body to make a catch and then keep running downfield without even skipping a beat.

[Danny Hy]

But it's like the dumb combine stuff, it's like those types of metrics and measurables that they don't shine in that then knock them down the draft board and then they show up and are immediately good. It's like there's just like, it's like two sides of the scale. Sometimes you have like the freaks where it's like Malik Neighbors and Jamar Chase and you're like, obviously these guys are awesome and then they end up being awesome. And then there's the opposite side of the scale where it's like these guys kind of are below a lot of the marks of kind of the elite athletic wide receivers. But when you watch them play, they're just always open and really good and always perform. And those guys usually work in the NFL, usually translate. Even Cam Scatterboo is a good example of just like he was, he was good. You watch it. You could just see with your eyes. And Abuka and JSN both have that, yeah, the.

[Greg Korbeck]

I don't have enough superlatives for a book of Buka is always open in this game.

[Danny Hy]

Always open.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it was really annoying.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it was.

[Danny Kelly]

From a Seahawks fan point of view.

[Danny Hy]

The wide open all the fucking time.

[Danny Kelly]

The Seahawks came into this game number one in dvoa. I thought this was going to be like a kind of a slog of a game and, you know, come down to one or two big plays and it was just a back and forth 30. It was 38 to 35, by the way, a Buccaneers. And I mean, both teams, obviously the Buccaneers came into this game extremely banged up. And by the end of the game, the Seahawks had lost, I think five or six of their defensive back starters. They were just like down to dudes I had barely even heard of playing back there. And, man, which leveled the playing field.

[Greg Korbeck]

Because the Bucks kind of started the game that way with just like, totally.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, starter. Yeah. Like I said, the difference in the game. The Seahawks had a turnover early in the game when Jalen Milroe missed a pitch to Kenneth Walker, which is like totally unnecessary. Like, what. What are we doing? Sam Darnold is playing like you bring.

[Greg Korbeck]

In a guy for a package and then they screw it up. Is.

[Danny Kelly]

That was just stupid, I thought. And then the Seahawks missed a field goal and they turned it over late in the game and that was the difference.

[Greg Korbeck]

The I. But I will say, though, I know Darnold had the pick at the end of the game to lose. I will say he was throwing it away. It was a pretty bad beat that the. He angled it in a way that bounced off guy's helmet, went right to another defender. I gotta tell you, I haven't felt.

[Danny Kelly]

That low after a Seahawks loss in a long time. Hi, Fitz. Like, I've kind of gotten to the point where I've separated a little bit. Obviously, I'm still a homer.

[Danny Hy]

That means you got really high, though. I know.

[Danny Kelly]

That's what I'm saying. Like that sucking me in. I'm like, darnold looks legit.

[Greg Korbeck]

I thought.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought the Seahawks were stupid to trade away Geno Smith. In retrospect, obviously it looks brilliant now because Darnold is playing amazingly. Geno is melting down and playing horrifically for the Raiders right now. So it's like, man, obviously the Seahawks made the right call here, and that's really exciting.

[Greg Korbeck]

Even though it's more than the right call. Did any team make a better move this off season than the Seahawks getting Sam Darnold?

[Danny Kelly]

I know. And this was something that Hayden Winks over at Underdog was talking about, like, last week or the week before is like, Sam Darnold has one of the best quarterback contracts in the NFL right now. They didn't even give up a pick for him. Him, he, they just signed him in.

[Greg Korbeck]

Free agency for 35 million. 35, 40 million. That's Jeff signed Fields for 20 million.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know, you can use Tim Darnold, the Jets. I, you know, he could use Baker Mayfield, the Browns. I, I, this game was so many things to me. And like the Baker Darnold thing. Scientists will study how the Carolina Panthers had both these guys today. Sliding doors go.

[Danny Kelly]

People were sharing the picture of Baker Mayfield when he was like, lighting up on scout team, playing defensive end.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's incredible, but that was real. But I will say, though, I don't want to do too much for one game. I know the Bucs injuries are, are, I don't want to take too much, but after seeing Darnold win the 14 games last year, I know the last two games were tough, but I, I am just stunned by how good Darnold is sometimes. And like, I think you forget sometimes the physical tools are there, like the arm strength, the accuracy and stuff. But the play he made, the, the touchdown to Tory, I think it was four, three to Tori Horton. And he just contorted around and just got like, he knew he had to do that, and it wasn't just the ability to do it, but it was, there was an urgency. He, he couldn't see Tori Horton initially, and he just knew he just had to get the ball there. And I, I, there's just, I, I, I just. You could tell that the quarterbacking has just seeped like it the marinated into the deepest parts of his brain where Darnold just knows how to play in a way that, frankly, he had no idea how to do even three or four years ago. And I don't know, I just keep thinking about quarterbacking. Is that that Amazon doc they speaking of pronunciation is going to go wrong. Zero Dreams is sushi the best sushi restaurant in the world, and the guy's son has to make like, cornbread for 10 years before he's allowed to touch a sushi knife.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Greg Korbeck]

And I'm like, maybe quarterbacking's also like that. It's like you're either Jaden Daniels or Drake May and you get good immediately. Or some guys are like Darnold, where it takes years and years of apprenticing, and then one day you're like, oh, my God, you're amazing at this and it takes seven years but.

[Danny Hy]

Or I mean if Darnold was, was immediately joining Kevin o' Connell as a rookie, maybe he would have just been good immediately.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, maybe just don't go to the jets and Panthers.

[Danny Kelly]

I guess there's a bit, there's definitely a middle ground. Craig, to your point where he would have looked a lot better if the, the support system was a lot better.

[Greg Korbeck]

Obviously we're talking about Darnold. Baker Mayfield won the game and I got it. The other Baker Mayfield still has a horseshoe up his ass like the Buccaneers.

[Danny Kelly]

And he made a deal with the devil, dude. They. Yeah, they. I think they've won four games this year by all than less than three points and they were all like fourth quarter back and forth game time or like game winning drives. Baker Mayfield just pulling some crazy ass throw out of his ass in every game. Yeah, they're, they're really living on the edges here.

[Danny Hy]

It's crazy. I feel like, I feel like Baker and Darnold are two sides of the same coin in that I feel like in terms of the arm talent and kind of like what, what they're capable of doing is kind of similar. But I do think that at the end of games, Baker just has that like intangible flow state. I trust him totally. And Darnold does it yet gets a little tighter.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's totally.

[Danny Hy]

Maybe he'll get there. But they're very similar. It's just like in the final minute of the game, I trust Baker. I don't trust Arnold yet.

[Greg Korbeck]

Flow state is the right word. Even two years ago in the playoffs when the Lions went to the NFC Championship game, since the Niners even there, Baker really almost came back from like two or three touchdowns down in the divisional round. Like even then I was kind of like he's going to do this. I just, I believe Baker. It's. It's really one of the most amazing stories. Just his. Honestly, if you extended to college, even his college career was just this like weird journey all around. Like he's just, it's an un. Honestly, the 2018 draft is just like a crazy group of people. Honestly, the whole between Lamar, Josh, Baker, Darnold, it's all like an amazing journey for everyone. To DK's point though, just about the Bucs because again, I want to shout the Bucks. It's not just that they won every game. They've won by three points. They're the first team in the history of the NFL to win for their first five games by all the wins or by three or fewer points.

[Danny Hy]

That's never happened before, dude. The Bucks, you got to give it to the Bucks. They're one of the most competent franchises. I mean 100% after year. Like they like Todd Bowles, like is never discussed in any conversations. And like they draft well.

[Greg Korbeck]

Not even like conversations.

[Danny Hy]

They draft well. Like, like signing Baker. They just, like they just do a great job. Bill made the point a couple of weeks ago that the Bucks might quietly be the best team of the decade.

[Greg Korbeck]

Dude.

[Danny Hy]

And because it's like you got the tail end of the Brady ring and then now with going into Baker and it's like they might be the most competent franchise in the NFL right now.

[Greg Korbeck]

Jason Light, the GM is probably, I mean, you could argue Jason Light's the best is. Is. I mean if you want to argue about Howie Roseman or whatever. Jason Light certainly the most underrated GM in the NFL because it's not just they convinced Brady. I'm blown away. The core of the Buck super bowl team that won five years ago. It is crazy how many of those guys are still there and participating and how many just draft picks. They keep hitting like it is just no one talks about it. And the irony and they're a well run team and the irony is that the team that the Glazers who own the Bucks, people hate the way they run the soccer teams in the Premier League. And it's funny, but they, I, maybe they just ignore the Bucks and they could do whatever they want. But yeah, the Bucks can't say enough about them.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, the Buccaneers are not really considered one of the all time great franchises. Whatever. There's just sort of like a stigma there. But you're absolutely right. And if you look at drafting what they've done in free agency, being able to bring Tom Brady and then also be able to replace Tom Brady and kind of keep going. Their offensive line, the picks that they've made over the last few years are very impressive. And you go down the list and it's just hits after hits. So that's crazy.

[Greg Korbeck]

They replaced Tom Brady before the Patriots did.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude, that's. Yeah, it's like the hardest thing to do in sports is find a quarterback. And they like, you know, they, they've cycled through and found guys and look at all the teams that gave up on Baker Mayfield. There was a great underdog tweet today that was like, see the, you know, Darnold and Mayfield combined for whatever 760 yards and six touchdowns or whatever it was. And it Was just a picture of them both in Panthers uniforms at like, some gay or practice or something. I'm just like, man, the world, like, the NFL is wild. It's crazy. They were on the same team together.

[Greg Korbeck]

Speaking of the NFL being wild, another game that happened here. Craig, who's your loser today?

[Danny Hy]

I'm giving it to Philly. And I thought this game, although you could say, oh, we've been bitching about the Eagles not throwing, and they threw a ton today. I just thought this was a really bad loss and a weird game for the Eagles. And I do think their identity is kind of all over the place right now. It was just a bizarre game. They were up 17 to 3. They kind of got up early and they held it for a long time. They were up 17 to 3 in the fourth quarter. They were 14 in the fourth quarter. And to me, is there a team that should. That you should be able to trust with the lead more than the Eagles and what the Eagles do. They didn't score a point and they blew the lead and their last five possessions. Punt. Three and out. Three and out. Three and out. Failed Hail Mary. They couldn't run the ball, which I think is. I mean, the whole, like, they can't throw the ball thing. I almost think the AJ Brown stuff is obscuring the fact that they actually also can't run, like, 100%. Saquon Barkley had six rush attempts in this entire game. They had one designed. Nate Dice tweeted that they had one designed run in the second half. And even on the defensive side of the ball, like, Bo Nix lit them up in the fourth quarter. 9 for 10, 130 yards, touchdown. They had three scoring drives in the. In the fourth quarter. The Broncos did. I don't know, like, for the roster the Eagles have, like, they will probably win 12 games still and be totally fine. I just think there's some concerning things going on on both sides of the ball. The offensive line doesn't look as good. They can't run the ball. The receivers are pissed. Devontae Smith had a good game.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't know if it's pointed out that A.J. brown, like, tackled Devonte Smith in the end zone when they were, like, going up for the Hail Mary.

[Danny Hy]

It was like three flies up. When everybody goes after it, then nobody gets it, you know?

[Danny Kelly]

Then he landed on top of a jackpot.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was unbelievable. I. Dude. And then the Broncos guy is accidentally, like, twerking in their face in the end of the Hail Mary.

[Danny Hy]

You know what I mean, though? Like, Is there ever been. It's like in the last five years, if a team is up two scores, like, and you had to pick, you could draft any team from any era. They just hold the lines.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's. But you're right though. It's funny because the tush push, you're like. And they can't pass the ball. Oh, they can't run. Like the last three weeks, Saquon's averaging 2.7 yards of carry.

[Danny Hy]

I mean, he's basically been doing that the entire year.

[Greg Korbeck]

I know.

[Danny Kelly]

The offensive line is just not as good as it was last year.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's not as good.

[Danny Kelly]

It's. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

The worst O line the Eagles have really. Like, like that's playing the worst of an Eagles O line we've seen in five, six, seven years. I, Landon Dickerson was in and out of the game today. I think it's really simple. Landon Dickerson and Lane Johnson kind of got hurt on the same play in week one. And I don't think they've been the same since on the offensive line in the Eagles. And like, I, I, I don't feel crazy saying that anymore. They're just not the same team. And I think that a lot of the turtling with the passing game and I ironically, I actually thought they passed better than people think today. Devonte Smith was fixed. Frankly, Jalen hurts that A.J. brown for. I forget how long the touchdown should have been 50, 70 yards. Like that ball. It was a little overthrown by Jaylen. AJ Brown did stop.

[Danny Hy]

He did slow down after the game.

[Greg Korbeck]

He was like, oh, I couldn't see it. He slowed down.

[Danny Hy]

He did. I. But I don't know if it was like he was literally trying to like find the ball. He didn't know where it was and he thought it was maybe short. I don't know.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was. But the point is there.

[Danny Kelly]

My read on that was like the design, the play design was he was supposed to run like a slant or whatever and then he just kept going and then. So that was a little bit off script. Maybe I'm wrong, but that was kind of how it felt.

[Greg Korbeck]

Whatever happened. I actually thought the passing game looked better. But I agree. It's just, it's a weird and to be clear, and I'm sure Eagles fans are screaming at us right now, there's a lot of weird refereeing. Like the refs. There was a lot of. Some things Eagles fans got mad at that were fine. Some things that were controversial. Overall though, I think Eagles fans also just know like they didn't the Eagles didn't play that well and it was strange that. And again, kudos to the Broncos, who kind of sucked. Defense was good and then the offense just went and scored 15 points and then got the field goal. Sean Payton. Credit to Sean Payton, who went for two.

[Danny Kelly]

I know I was going to say that was like one of the ballsiest decisions that I saw coach make today. That was, you know, basically just trusting your defense. We're going to go for two here and we're going to just go win the game and then not let them score. And that's essentially what they did for like the next seven minutes. Yeah. So Bo Nicks hit Evan Ingram for a touchdown with 7:43 to go. Made the score 17 to 16. Eagles. Most coaches would tie the game there and you know, go, whatever, go try and score again. Later. Broncos went for two. Knicks threw it to Franklin in the corner. It was a nice play, nice throw, and they took the lead and they never gave it up after that. Knicks started out the game not well at all, but then they finished it off really well. Touchdown.

[Greg Korbeck]

There were a lot of shots that they didn't connect on either in this game. The Broncos early Bonix. There were a lot of things where he was off an inch or he put it into court and son's hands and they dropped. There were a lot of almost things in the first.

[Danny Hy]

I agree. I don't think Bonix has been like particularly sharp to start the season. Kind of comes in and out.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, there's a lot of almost with that passing game. There's a lot of like. But the, to your point though, Craig, also about the. How do you think the Eagles could do it? The Broncos were 1 and 112, so they won one out of 113 games that they trailed by 14 points or more on the road in the fourth quarter. And wow, now they're two.

[Danny Hy]

And I mean, look, the Eagles gave up 18 points in the fourth and I, I, I don't know, I felt like there was just weird moments. Like I, I do believe that the play calling is, is not the same for Philly. Like dk, I think we were, you were texting about it. Like there were moments. The offensive line hasn't been good, but there were moments when Hertz had a ton of time. No one's open.

[Greg Korbeck]

I, I, that was, I totally.

[Danny Hy]

He wouldn't throw the ball.

[Greg Korbeck]

And it's, it's ironic because on one hand I don't think the line can run block as well as they can and they obviously aren't creating the holds for sake one that they were able to. But the flip side is the pass blocking. When the Broncos didn't get home, there were like three different plays that Jalen Hurts had.

[Danny Hy]

He just sat there six seconds. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

And I don't know if he could find anyone or if no one was open, but. And maybe that is the result. And honestly, sometimes I don't know. You know, it's. It's Sunday night. Obviously, maybe there'll be an answer if we just went and we can watch the old 22 later. But like the May sometimes, honestly, the Eagles passing game, when it goes off script, looks like a team that doesn't fucking pass very much. And they look like a team that doesn't where the receivers are a little Maybe, like, maybe A.J. brown's going in and out. That's one of the reasons you say you get your ball, your receivers the ball in the first quarter so they don't mentally check out. And they did that in this game. They were very, very quick to get A.J. brown and the ball and Devonte the ball. But, yeah, it was weird that Jalen hurts over and over again when he did have immaculate protection, couldn't do anything.

[Danny Hy]

So anyway, it's like, I'm sure the Eagles fans are going to be upset. They're going to be fine. They're obviously still one of the best teams in the league. I just. It's. There's just kind of weird stuff going on.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, Philadelphia said a brutal weekend.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, my God. Penn State, The Phillies.

[Greg Korbeck]

The Penn State.

[Danny Hy]

What the fuck happened? Are you aware of what happened to Penn State?

[Danny Kelly]

Explain it.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, so ucla. I didn't get to watch this game. I just. Just saw the update and I was like, what? I just. So I just saw that ucla, who had not, I believe, had not led any game at any point this season and is like, literally a joke. UCLA is the butt of the college football season. Yes, to the point I didn't even watch this game.

[Danny Hy]

They. I mean, they lost like 35 to 10 to New Mexico. I mean, things were so bad. UCLA got the Tennessee quarterback guy who left Tennessee. People had, like, relatively high hopes for UCLA this year. They've been a disaster. They fired their coach, and now they play Penn State who's coming to la and they kill.

[Greg Korbeck]

The offensive coordinator is. It's Rick Neuheisel's son. It's Jerry Newheisel. First of all, he's like 29. His name's Jerry Craig. Have you ever met someone our age named Jerry? He's the Youngest Jerry I've ever seen.

[Danny Hy]

How old?

[Greg Korbeck]

I got it backwards. The Jerry Rick thing, because how old are he? He's. He's like. He looks like 24.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, he's got to.

[Greg Korbeck]

But he looks like Joffrey Baratheon. And he goes. And he. And he. He says after the game, also, they kicked his. Like, they really beat the crap out of Penn State. They go up 20 points in Penn State. And it's worth it to me because. Talk about. Because Jerry Newheisel says after the game, the funniest thing you could admit as a new coordinator, he says, I had never practiced with the headset. I didn't actually know what buttons were. What. And he's like. I kept calling plays and realizing that my mouthpiece was up above my forehead because I'm a. I'm an assistant, and I never talk into it. So I kept calling plays and having to move it down. And, like, we were late. I'm like, I'll get that cleaned up. I'm like, this couldn't even. Buttons. And he went up 20 on you. That's insane.

[Danny Kelly]

That's like. That's like when you lose a hand in poker and someone doesn't realize they have, like, a royal flush.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's exactly.

[Danny Hy]

There's nothing worse.

[Greg Korbeck]

So, Pen.

[Danny Hy]

I guess I lost. And you have to actually point out that they were like, I fool.

[Danny Kelly]

They're like, you have a.

[Danny Hy]

You have a royal flush. Jerry. He's like, I do. He does look very young, though. He's got this, like, long blonde hair. He looks like a kid.

[Greg Korbeck]

Penn State dropped from number two in the AP poll to.2 weeks later. They're now out of the AP Top 25, which is the second biggest drop in the history of the poll. With the 1959 Oklahoma Sooners, of course.

[Danny Hy]

I mean, they almost beat Oregon. Who's the best team in the country last week probably by, like, it was, like, a very tight game. And then they get their doors blown off by Owen. Four, ucla.

[Greg Korbeck]

I just. We can move off college football a second. I just have to tell you some guys names from the 1959 Oklahoma Sooners.

[Danny Kelly]

Please do. Sure.

[Greg Korbeck]

Dick Carpenter.

[Danny Kelly]

If.

[Danny Hy]

Man, that's.

[Danny Kelly]

He knows. He knows how to lay the piper or something.

[Greg Korbeck]

Rooster Hobby.

[Danny Kelly]

Rooster Hobby Brewster.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, Brewster. Even better.

[Greg Korbeck]

Wahoo McDaniel.

[Danny Hy]

Wahoo McDaniel.

[Greg Korbeck]

And Johnny French.

[Danny Kelly]

Man, these are so good.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah. So anyway, tough weekend. And then the Dodgers beat the Phillies, and the Phillies should have won that game.

[Danny Hy]

Phillies were up 3, 0. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Threw one bad pitch to. I Also, I, now we're just talking about Philly. I will say, I'm just, I know I'm obsessed with Otani, but Ohtani is third, was third in baseball and homers this year and Kyle Schwarmer was second and Ohtani struck out Kyle Schwarber. That's fucking crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

It's just like nothing we've ever seen.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's unbelievable. Anyway, okay, other losers, the Ravens.

[Danny Hy]

Jesus Christ.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I, dude, I have had that.

[Danny Hy]

Bad of a time rooting for a fantasy player for two fantasy players in a long time. Rooting for Cooper Rush and Derek Henry. I had to start Cooper Rush because I have Lamar Jackson.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig's entire straight.

[Danny Hy]

Well, I, I'm in, I'm in mostly super flex. I'm in exclusively super flex leagues and I have Lamar Jackson and like, there are no quarterbacks on the waiver wire, so I had to add Cooper Rush and I had Brock Purdy, who was also out, so I had to start fucking Cooper Rush. And it was a, it was an abject disaster. And Derek Henry as well.

[Danny Kelly]

Your neck, your neck vein is bulging.

[Danny Hy]

Craig and I, Derek Henry as well, which I, I, I honestly think John Harbaugh like knew how many people had Derek Henry fantasy because they really tried to get him a touchdown until like.

[Greg Korbeck]

The fourth quarter it got him top five. It tied him with Walter Payton. And I'm like, congrats, Derek. You're now down 44 to 10.

[Danny Hy]

I know.

[Greg Korbeck]

I couldn't believe it.

[Danny Hy]

Giving him the ball.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, this was, this was, honestly, I mean, this was probably one of the worst games in the history of the Ravens franchise. This was. The Ravens lost 44 to 10. They're 1 and 4 on the season for the second time in team history. ESPN's Jameson Headley had this. The 34 point loss is tied for the second worst margin of defeat in John Harbo's 18 year career as coach. The Ravens defense has allowed 30 points and 300 passing yards, both 30 points and 300 passing yards for the five games this season. And I mean, the Ravens beat Houston on Christmas, embarrassed him 31 2. This game is 313 with 26 minutes left in the game.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Do you think, do you think the guy, the Vegas guy doing the spreads, do you think this was the first typo in Vegas spread history?

[Greg Korbeck]

One and a half.

[Danny Hy]

It should have been 11 and a half. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Danny Hy]

I, I genuinely have no. And we obviously took the Ravens as a bit in ringer107 didn't pay off.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was a bit because we were like. I don't know like. Well, because we kept going over the inactives list which was again Lamar Jackson, Patrick Ricard the fullback, Ronnie Staley the left tackle. Rook one Smith the linebacker. Marlon Humphrey a cornerback. Kyla Hamilton is like the best safety in the league. Matt at BK it's. It's the best inactive list I've ever seen. $160 million a cap of the Ravens cap was out with injury today. That is 57% of their cap. Did you seven Pro Bowlers and we were like why the fuck is the line one and a half if there's seven Pro bowlers out of this game? So we took it as a bit and it turned out it should have been. We should have took 15. The. The Ravens defense is genuinely. And I, I mean it might be. It's. I. It is probably the worst defense in, in the maybe the Ravens franchise has ever had. I mean they've allowed the last two games. The Ravens defense has allowed nine touchdowns and forced two punts.

[Danny Kelly]

Aye Yai Yai.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think going forward we'll have to talk about this all week but it's like Derek Henry at halftime had six carries for eight yards. Like do you play him?

[Danny Hy]

No, I think, I don't think you can. I mean I think they play the Rams next week. Like I think you could.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, like him. It's crazy to bench him but you can if you want.

[Danny Hy]

I mean he had, he had like nine points this week with a touchdown.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, that's Pacheco shit. So yeah, this is. I, I think the Ravens are. They're 1 and 4. They were supposed to win the Super. They're going to be the best team. The Ravens might be the best era like a 4,45 share stretch that didn't win the Super. I always think of the Saints that way. The late breeze Saints that were robbed of the super bowl appearance with the pass interference that wasn't called all this stuff as the best team that didn't make a Super bowl, never mind win one. The Ravens. This is a crazy way to end this little nucleus.

[Danny Kelly]

It's not over. They're coming back, baby.

[Danny Hy]

Probably only one more game without Lamar. Then they have their buy and he'll probably be back.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Or they honestly I could see them forcing him back. Like I could see him trying to play next week to silence the season.

[Greg Korbeck]

That was honestly mobile. Lamar, I don't know. All right, we're going to keep rolling here but the ringer fantasy football show is brought to you by FanDuel the FanDuel Sportsbook app is your home for all your favorite NFL bets from yards to touchdowns to who will win and when the Chiefs and Jaguars play tonight. FanDuel is giving you all customers a 50% same game parlay, PBT or a 30% any bet type PBT Patrick Mahomes over 21 1/2 rushing yards. I'll take it. I know the offense is a little better now but worthy. He got downgraded. We'll see if he plays or not but I just think Mahomes the way that the Chiefs offense is going specifically I just think Mahomes rushing is it's just I will take that every time.

[Danny Hy]

The only thing you can depend on right now with the Chiefs offense is homes rushing.

[Greg Korbeck]

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[Danny Kelly]

For Geno Smith Slash the Raiders slash Pete Carroll redemption arc in 2025. Quick turnaround for the team. This is a bunch of adults in the room. No, the Raiders are ass. The Raiders absolutely suck. They got their they got just the shit kicked out of them today by the Colts 40 to 6. And I think the most concerning and to me like the most surprising obviously I think a lot of people it's not that surprising that Geno Smith is turning the ball over, but the level at which he's doing it and absolutely melting down and freaking out on the sidelines throwing his helmet. Just what's the, what's the expression that Gen Z uses? Like he's crashing out, crashing out on the sidelines hard.

[Greg Korbeck]

Pete Carroll. Oh, Gino throwing his helmet. Yeah, it's one of those. You could do it when you're losing or whatever. Like I've seen Gina. Like we're getting to the point where that's happening a lot.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he has nine Turnovers this year in five games, which is by far, well, which is the most in the NFL. And most importantly, he keeps turning the ball over in the red zone, which is really just like obviously very frustrating and back breaking for this team. It's very interesting because Pete Carroll, for the longest time that he was with the Seahawks, like the number one thing is protect the ball. It's all about the ball. It's the literal number one thing in Carroll's program is protect the football. And Geno Smith leads the NFL in turnovers. So I'm wondering how long this will go and if he will continue to stick with Geno or if they're going to make a change, come up with some fake injury or something like that. Gino has a two year, $75 million extension signed in April. 66 million guaranteed. I don't think he'll get benched, but it's starting to feel kind of like he might just because of the way he's playing. They literally can't win when he's turning the ball over like that. So, yeah, tough times. It's obvious. You know, obviously Brock Bowers was out today. He's not been himself all year.

[Danny Hy]

He's basically probably a good thing that he was out because it's like the rest is the only thing that can. That can help his knee. And like him just playing at half at 50% every week isn't helping.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, maybe if you played defense, the Colts wouldn't have had 40 points.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I my interest.

[Danny Kelly]

So they have a bad defense, a bad offensive line. Their quarterback is turning the ball over a ton. And at the end of the day, a really good running back doesn't make that big of a difference unless you're like already a really good team. So things are not great.

[Greg Korbeck]

He set him up for the first field goal. Would have been 40 to 3.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he looks great. It's just not going to elevate a team that's already really bad.

[Greg Korbeck]

Now this has been the really sad, to be honest. Craig.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

So over. We're so back.

[Danny Hy]

It pains me to say this, but it's over for the Chargers offense.

[Danny Kelly]

It's over there two weeks from when we decided they were no longer the new Charger or the old.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, there's no amount of Madison Beer kisses pre game that can. That can. Unless she's gonna.

[Greg Korbeck]

Unless she's gonna.

[Danny Hy]

There's no amount. Unless she can play fucking left tackle. There's no amount they.

[Danny Kelly]

How tall is she?

[Greg Korbeck]

She's 6, 7, 44 11.

[Danny Hy]

They lost 27 to 10 to the Commanders at home in LA. It's just. Dude, the offensive line. This was the offensive line in August. I'm going to read you the five players. Joe Alt, Makai Becton, Bradley Boseman, Zion Johnson, Rashawn Slater. The. The fuckers that they were playing with.

[Danny Kelly]

Four first rounders.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I don't even. I don't know who these people are. Here are the players playing today. Austin De Coolis, Foster Sorrell. The coldest, Jamari Sawyer. Are you kidding me? I guess, I mean like they replaced Joel with Trey Pipkins and then he got hurt. So we're like. We are at the. We're just like the drags, you know.

[Greg Korbeck]

One of those guys grandfather was on the 59 Sooners.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, man. They like literally Charger shit started to happen again. You know, it was like returns a punt for a touchdown. Up they ran into the punter. It's a 10 point swing because they would have scored, but instead the Commanders marched down and get a field goal. So instead the next play was Luke.

[Greg Korbeck]

McCaffrey 50 yard pass. Yeah, it should have been a punt return.

[Danny Hy]

So instead of 17 to 7 at half, it was 10 to 10. O' Marion Hampton hurt his ankle. He's in a boot. Herbert tipped interception in the red zone. There's penalties all over the place.

[Danny Kelly]

First red zone interception in a really long time.

[Danny Hy]

He's got more interceptions this year already than he had all last year. He had three interceptions last year. He's already got four this year. And yeah, like the. They're getting penalized left and right, which is definitely just because there's all these new players trying to mesh. They have 24 penalties in their last two games, which is the most ever by a Jim Harbaugh coach team.

[Greg Korbeck]

Did you get that stat from Chris Ream who fouls the out of you in the LA basketball leagues? You playing?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. He deserves a penalty as well for what he does.

[Greg Korbeck]

You need more flags.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

For those that don't know, we met him at the. You met him at the combine and I introduced you and you just looked at each other and you were like, we played basketball. You play basketball? Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Like you. My shorts the entire game.

[Greg Korbeck]

You were like. Did you just like.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Most definitely.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh my God. Anyway, yeah, totally true.

[Danny Hy]

It's old Chargers again where it's like Herbert's gonna get the kicked out of him. I'm already. He's gonna get hurt. The offensive line's terrible. Chris Ream also in the article he wrote la the Chargers are The first team to record a pass block win rate of 40% in consecutive games since 2023. It's just fucking mess. It's a mess.

[Danny Kelly]

This. I think this is a good example and good reminder, and I think the. The Ravens and the Eagles offensive line, too, kind of reinforce this. But we always. It's such a cliche, I know that we just. It's obvious, but the best teams at the end of the year are the healthiest teams. Always.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's, like, almost without exception.

[Danny Hy]

It's so crazy in real life and in fantasy half the time.

[Danny Kelly]

Totally.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes, I do. I. I'm not gonna lie. I'm crushing in the ring of fantasy league. And it's. I. I would love to be like, it's because I'm a genius. I'm like, my team's kind of healthy.

[Danny Kelly]

No one's gotten hurt, and we'll see if it lasts.

[Greg Korbeck]

Probably not.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, it's just crazy how much injuries impact the NFL season. I know that's, like, a very obvious statement, but I just want to, like, reiterate it because it is so important.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was the Chargers fault. They built the line out of, like, the Ravens.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Greg Korbeck]

Like, don't do that. We're so back. Dk. Who's back?

[Danny Kelly]

Darren Waller. Darren Waller actually looks good. He was out there making plays, like, catching passes down the seam, catching, like, really good touchdowns. He had two more touchdowns today.

[Greg Korbeck]

Darren Waller has.

[Danny Kelly]

Did he have two or one? He has two.

[Greg Korbeck]

The first game he had two on 16 snaps.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. And then he had one. Another one today, immediately. And he actually looks good to me. Like, when he's out there, he's beating linebackers down the seam, making, you know, just, like, finding the soft spot in the zone. He's actually making a big impact in there, in the. In the Dolphins offense. And so I don't know, man. It's just crazy because Waller was out of the league. He was making music videos and stuff. And now and then, of course, like, good one, too.

[Greg Korbeck]

Great ones in the face. Had no idea he was alive.

[Danny Kelly]

He signed with the Dolphins and immediately got hurt. And everyone was like, okay, this again.

[Danny Hy]

No, he was traded to the Dolphins.

[Greg Korbeck]

The Giants traded his retired ass. Right? To the Dolphins. He retired, basically, because what? Because Kelsey Plum divorced him? Right.

[Danny Kelly]

He had a tough time.

[Greg Korbeck]

They broke up. They got divorced. And then he had the music video with the Kelsey Plum stand in and then quit on the Giants.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

And then I gotta tell you.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, I forgot he was on the Giants. The legendary preseason. Darren Waller.

[Greg Korbeck]

And then, you know, what he looks like we thought he would look. I gotta tell he looks better in this last two games last 50 snaps for Miami than he ever did in the Giants.

[Danny Kelly]

And I'm healthy now.

[Greg Korbeck]

I have never. I can't think. I'm not saying this has never happened but I can't think of examples and I'm curious if you guys are emails and if there are examples. Who else has come out of retirement and I mean real retirement. Not like you thought about it over the summer and change your like Brady didn't really retire because he didn't miss any games. Who has sat out a season and then come back and just immediately was a. Was looked like the best player on the team or like like the best receiver on the team.

[Danny Kelly]

Good question.

[Greg Korbeck]

He. How is that possible and why didn't he play like this in New York?

[Danny Kelly]

Because he was hurt probably.

[Greg Korbeck]

What it's God. I just. I can't believe whatever Giants could use him. That's fine. So that's all I'm saying. It'd be cool if the Giants had him also. Yeah. Giants. He had one touchdown on the giants. He has three shots downs for Miami. He's played 48 snaps. It's fine. I'm over. It's so the other. It's so over. We're so back. I think this one really fits the spirit of the category. It was so over for people who had Jordan Addison on their fantasy team. I don't know. Whatever time you're zone you're in Jordan Addison in the London game. Vikings, Browns. Whenever you woke up Jordan Addison shadow benched, just benched for the first quarter didn't really come out like people you probably had no idea about this when your lineup was in. Jordan Addison doesn't play so you're like you're. You're crushed. He's like 29 yards in the game. People are upset. Guess what Jordan Addison caught the game winning touchdown with 25 seconds left in the Vikings 121 17. It was like the most. It's so over. We're so back of the whole day. I could remember from literally being benched and not playing cause he went like AWOL on a team walkthrough.

[Danny Kelly]

He didn't. He just didn't show up for and.

[Greg Korbeck]

Then just like won the game.

[Danny Hy]

He's had a busy two weeks getting chased down by Peyton Wilson in Ireland.

[Greg Korbeck]

Making up for the three weeks he missed. I love that you get suspended for three weeks or something you did in the off season and then like you go to London one time and you're like, yeah, not gonna go to practice. It's fine. Anyway. All right, let's get to America's favorite segment here. Florida Shark. Yeah. Where again, because DK always seems to be a little confused. A fart is something that. Give it a little bit of time and it will pass for Shark. Something that needs to be done.

[Danny Hy]

I feel like. Doesn't it feel like the category farter shart the segment. It deserves like a. Like a late 90s, early 2000s cheesy radio intro. Like fart or shar. It's like, ew.

[Danny Kelly]

You know what I mean?

[Danny Hy]

That's what it was. Like 2000 in two.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Some. You know, two losers who have a. A radio show. Like, up next, Farter Short. It's like.

[Greg Korbeck]

Will someone make us that said it?

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, somebody. If you.

[Greg Korbeck]

If you make us that. And we will play it. We will play it on the show for, like, years to come if you make that fart. Or email us at your fantasy football gmail.com noises, though.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, come on. No, no. Old school radio would 100% have, like, the wettest, nastiest.

[Greg Korbeck]

Do we want that?

[Danny Hy]

We'll see.

[Greg Korbeck]

We'll have one with him with. Yeah, make it.

[Danny Kelly]

We'll see.

[Greg Korbeck]

All right. Dk.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, God.

[Greg Korbeck]

Aaron Glenn as a. Like, just jets coach Aaron Glenn, jets lost to the Cowboys today by 15 points. 37, 22. This was not a 15 point loss. The jets were losing 30 to 6. The jets were down 233 at halftime. This was a blowout. And frankly, 12 of the 20 quarters the jets have played, they have been just blown out for basically almost more. More than half the quarters they played, they've just been destroyed. Aaron Glenn's the first jets coach to ever start05 in his first season as a coach.

[Danny Hy]

It feels. That feels impossible.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. How is that? Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

And yet he's the first coach to ever start his jets career. 05 is a coach. DK Aaron Glenn era of New York Jets. Feels like the veneer. The shine has already come off. Do you think that this is a fart for the Aaron Glenn era, or do you think this is a shark for the Aaron Glenn era?

[Danny Hy]

How is ESPN not stolen this yet?

[Danny Kelly]

I don't think the jets are just a shark. That's. It has nothing to do with the coach. There could be. There. There could. There's no coach that could fix this.

[Danny Hy]

It's not even underwear. Like, when you're the coach. There's just. No, it's just. It's right into the denim.

[Greg Korbeck]

The pile of shit. Jurassic park, you know, she goes like elbow deep on that giant dinosaur.

[Danny Hy]

You know, I. I actually think I'm not. I'm not ready to panic just yet, which I know sounds crazy. I think what's nice for jets fans is that the bars on the floor.

[Greg Korbeck]

So like, oh, they love that. Yeah, they're so excited about them. Jets fans listening are like, yeah, that is nice. They're so happy about that.

[Danny Hy]

They're used to this, right? Like, this is the way they live. This is every right.

[Danny Kelly]

They were born in it. Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I think culture takes time. I think culture takes time. Dan Campbell started 08 with the Lions. I think if you look at Glenn's ability, Aaron Glenn's ability to like, galvanize the team, it seems like the team is happier, which is like, despite being 0 and 5, like, they. They feel like a unit that enjoys being together. It feels like they like Aaron Glenn. I think Aaron Glenn has good vibes and I think their oc, Tanner Angstron, who came from Detroit as well, I also think is kind of doing some good things. I think despite them being 05, if you actually, like, there are moments where there's like wide open guys and you see like glimpses of like the Lions offense showing up here and there. They're just doing it with the roster. They have it with Justin Fields and with the offensive line and stuff like that. Shield Capadia had a tweet today. Our colleague at the ringer. The jets offense had 19 plays of 10 plus yards today, which is the most of any team in week five. No other team this season has produced that many and lost, I'm sure. I know you're going to say it's all garbage time.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I'm going to throw shield under the fucking bus, that is. But if you look sort out garbage time.

[Danny Hy]

If you look at the entire season, the jets are still top seven in big plays.

[Greg Korbeck]

Did he throw out garbage time or not? Because I got to. If you just look at fantasy points, I don't have that in front of me. Fantasy points. First half, Justin Fields is 28th in points per game among quarterbacks. In the second half, he's second. They're getting all these explosive plays when they're down 20, 27, 17, like they. They have no offense when the game is competitive season long. Dallas.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I understand season long, not just today. They are like top seven and plays of 10 plus 20 plus yards. I'm saying if I, When I watch them, there are moments where like, they. Their plays look good and work is.

[Greg Korbeck]

All I'm saying it's hard to argue your point when you're like, dan Campbell started 0 and 8. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good point. And like they drafted well to your point. I will say for today's performance. And you're right. Like, like maybe going forward they can fix it. I will say he looked a little defeated today, Aaron Glenn. I mean he was like, they fumbled three times to blow Monday football. And he was at practice all week with a boxing glove trying to punch guy the ball out. So the guys. And then Breeze hall got the ball punched out anyway, which is a little bit like now the tuxedos seem fucked up. But the, the defense is the thing. You're a defensive head coach. The defense allowed two touchdowns in the final 60 seconds of of halftime versus Dallas. That wasn't great. The next gen stats, I couldn't believe this. Next gen stats had The jets with 13 missed tackles today in the first half. I didn't know you could have 13 missed tackles in one half. I. That's a lot for a game. The defense. This one's. And there's a little bit of luck to this, however appropriate for the Jets. The NFL has tracked turnovers since 1933. Since 1933, the jets are the first team in the history of the NFL to start their first five games without one turnover on defense.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow.

[Greg Korbeck]

That has never happened before in the history of the NFL recording turnovers. Yeah, I mean they're all defensive coach.

[Danny Hy]

It's been five games.

[Greg Korbeck]

I know. It's been five games. And it's a small sample. And turnovers are random. Having said that, it's never fucking happened before.

[Danny Hy]

No, I know, but it's like, it's hard to just step in. He walked into the jets, which is like one of the most, most up franchises in NFL history, and he's 0 and 5. Dan Campbell walked into Lions, went 3 and 13 his first season. It's like, all right, yeah, his. Justin Fields is his quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

If you're looking at some of their games too, like, they probably should have beaten the Steelers. They should have won. They should have probably beaten the Buccaneers two weeks ago or they got close to beating the Bucks. It's not like they're just a total abject disaster.

[Danny Hy]

I agree. I don't think too harsh. Like, I think.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, I'm asking a question here. You're saying it's a fart.

[Danny Hy]

I'm saying it's a. It's like a fart for. For the Aaron Glenn era, which is how you phrase this? No, I think it's.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know what's so funny?

[Danny Hy]

I do not think it's over.

[Greg Korbeck]

The jets and I would say Woody Johnson were too proud to look into Darnold and Aaron Glenn wanted, I think, Fields because they played against the division. I gotta tell you, it's an interesting thought experiment.

[Danny Hy]

Darnold isn't it wouldn't have worked. You can't bring him back. He would not have gone.

[Greg Korbeck]

But fucking, like. It's funny to think about football, macho culture and be like, wait, you can't bring them back.

[Danny Hy]

I'm like, but it's like having won two games. No, no, no, you can't do it. It's like having the messiest breakup of all time and then trying to get back together. You can't do it. You got to start fresh. You got to do something new. Justin Fields isn't the answer, but I don't. I don't think you can bring Donald back.

[Greg Korbeck]

You're probably right for human nature, but it's funny to think that the truth is we'd rather be 0 and 5 with fields than actually darn, like. I'm just saying.

[Danny Hy]

Well, I don't think they knew they'd be 0 and 5, so I don't know if they would choose that now.

[Greg Korbeck]

Anyway. All right, I'm gonna spare Mike McDaniel this. Cause we're kind of like running a little long here. But, I mean, dolphins plus 17 and nothing lead to Carolina. And like, should we do this now or should we wait to him to get fired tomorrow?

[Danny Kelly]

Do you think he's getting fired?

[Greg Korbeck]

No, but, like, maybe they were up 17 and nothing on Carolina. They lost, like, what else is there?

[Danny Kelly]

They got Rico Dowdle, dude.

[Greg Korbeck]

Rico Dowdle.

[Danny Kelly]

Rico went off.

[Danny Hy]

Uncle Rico. Yeah. You look good. Because. Of course.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hy]

Why not? What's the point? Why try when rico Daddle has 206.

[Danny Kelly]

Yards in a game?

[Danny Hy]

Why try?

[Greg Korbeck]

We're gonna get into something special here. That's right. It's time for a brand new segment called who's Cooking this week.

[Danny Hy]

Who's Cooking?

[Greg Korbeck]

Who's cooking?

[Danny Kelly]

Who is cooking?

[Greg Korbeck]

Brought to you by our friends, that ikea. What is that now? IKEA is where to go when you want to cook up your dream kitchen. But today we're talking about who is absolutely cooking in fantasy football. Starting with Uncle Rico, who really did throw it over the mountains today. Over the mountains.

[Danny Kelly]

My boy. Reek, my boy. Rico Dowdle, one of the greatest running back names of all time, Chuba Howard, was out another great running Back.

[Danny Hy]

Is it one of the best running back names of all time?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, good is relative.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's just one Deacon can remember.

[Danny Kelly]

Rico had 23 rushes for 206 yards and a touchdown. He had 28 receiving yards, 234 scrimmage yards is most by any player this year. Yeah, more than like Saquon, more than a freaking Christian.

[Danny Hy]

206 yards is probably going to be the most yards anybody rushes for this year. No, two.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, you're probably right. So obviously an amazing game. Bunch of explosive runs. I'm going to be curious to see if they go back to Chuba all the time. Kind of like when Chuba gets back. Because Rico looked amazing out there so I just wanted to shout him out. I don't have any big takeaways other than the Dolphins run defense sucks and Rico looked good.

[Danny Hy]

The positive version of farter shart. Would you say this is like a long term thing for Rico Dowdle or just kind of a one time situation?

[Greg Korbeck]

No, I think he'll have 200 yards like five, six, seven more times.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, you do? I. I think he.

[Greg Korbeck]

How long till his next 206 rushing yards.

[Danny Kelly]

He earned more playing time once Chuba gets back. I don't think they're going to like Wally Pip Chuba and just go right to Rico.

[Danny Hy]

Like why not? Will he be on the waiver wire again? Will he be on the waiver wire again?

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, that's such.

[Danny Kelly]

That's a great question.

[Greg Korbeck]

Let me, let me to Craig's point.

[Danny Kelly]

Yes.

[Greg Korbeck]

Shout out to Bill Barnwell. Bill Barnwell posted this. The 200 rush yard game club is. Is just half like some of the best running backs you've ever seen. And half just peak remembers some guys.

[Danny Kelly]

Who was the Gray guy?

[Greg Korbeck]

It's like Jonas Gray.

[Danny Kelly]

Who?

[Danny Hy]

Jonas Gray. Oh yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's the one who was charging his phone to for an alarm and his. The thing kind of came out of the socket a little and his phone died overnight or whatever. Missed the practice. They cut him while he was on the COVID of si. Got cut.

[Danny Kelly]

Tough beat.

[Greg Korbeck]

Isaiah Crowell, Thomas Rawls.

[Danny Kelly]

Hell yeah. Thomas Rawls.

[Greg Korbeck]

Seattle Beanie Wells, Jerome Harrison. And somehow this is just blew my mind. Jay Ajayi did 200 yards three times.

[Danny Kelly]

Really?

[Greg Korbeck]

I have no memory of that happening. Three times.

[Danny Hy]

He had moments before all the living eagles knees disintegrated.

[Greg Korbeck]

I did not realize anyone in our life other than like Adrian Peterson and like Chris Johnson and Derrick Henry had hit 200 yards three times. I never would have guessed Jai. I literally thought that Was Derrick Henry and agent Peterson.

[Danny Kelly]

Beanie Wells. Yeah. Had 200 yards in a game.

[Greg Korbeck]

I, I, I couldn't, I know I was blown away. So anyway, that's a real question. Like maybe drinker downtown gets cut in four weeks. But probably not, not. But not by the Panthers, by the fantasy team. But yeah. Rico Daddle is amazing. Craig, who else is cooking?

[Danny Hy]

Quinton Judkins is cooking. He is cooking the running back for the Browns. He's fifth in the NFL and rushing yards per game. He had a hundred yards. He had 110 yards rushing today. First Browns running back with 100 yard rushing game since week 10 of 2023. And wow. Like he just, I mean the guy didn't, he wasn't around the entire off season. Just showed up and is fantastic and immediately looks like, like a long term solution for the Browns at running back. He absolutely looks better than his counterpart Ohio State Trayvon Henderson. He looks awesome. I saw somebody online joke that he looks like if Isaiah Pacheco had vision because they kind of run the same fiance.

[Danny Kelly]

Really quick feet.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Kind of like high knees, stomping.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know, maybe, maybe between Judkins just immediately being the best player on the Browns offense and Jordan Addison winning the game without going to the walkthrough, maybe practice is super overrated.

[Danny Hy]

We don't need it.

[Greg Korbeck]

Practice the time.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

No, Judkins has been very, very, and.

[Danny Hy]

In fantasy, I mean he's had 16, 19, 13 the last three weeks. Like doing that on the Browns who are never winning. Like Browns are one in four. They have like they spend the six most time trailing this year. Like it's hard to do that when you're never winning.

[Greg Korbeck]

No, he's, he's been really impressive every time he touches the ball. TK who else is cooking?

[Danny Kelly]

You want to. Who's cooking? Jake Ferguson.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, your guy, Jake.

[Danny Kelly]

Jake Ferguson is absolutely cooking this year. Seven more catches today. 49 yards and two touchdowns. He is now up to 41 catches on the season. 272 yards and three scores. Number one. He is tied for most receptions by a tight end in their team's first five games in the season ever.

[Greg Korbeck]

Say that one again.

[Danny Kelly]

That's most receptions by a tight end in the first five games of the year ever.

[Danny Hy]

Tied seems impossible.

[Danny Kelly]

He's the tight end one by a lot in total points. And he's on pace for 139 catches. The NFL record for most catches in a season by a tight end is Zach Hurts with 116.

[Danny Hy]

Jake Ferguson is like What I remember tight end as when I was growing up. Yeah, it was just like Heath Miller's running around like I'm just like. It's just like a kind of a big burly white dude who's like, who seems okay.

[Danny Kelly]

Like a former basketball player.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. But like the quarterback, he's like the second option on the team and the quarterback just throws to him all the time and he's always open to the end zone. Jake Ferguson. Ferguson's just, just kind of chugging along to eight catches a game.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Absolutely incredible. I the other. It's not just him though. Javante Williams is also good.

[Danny Kelly]

He's having a great resurgence.

[Greg Korbeck]

Javonte Williams, Dallas, man, Dallas was like so fun fact. Javonte Williams had 17 touches, 140 yards, two touchdowns. Today the top fantasy running backs in the season are Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey and Javante Williams. Those are the tops.

[Danny Kelly]

One of the more surprising fantasy storylines.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's by far, I mean all three of those guys are on my ringer lit team, but it's fine.

[Danny Kelly]

But one of the most, one of the best values in fantasy.

[Greg Korbeck]

Clearly he's second in rushing yards and second in rushing touchdowns. Williams, it's funny.

[Danny Hy]

Well I, it was funny because I remember the opening game of the season, the Eagles Cowboys game. He had two touchdowns but on like 50 rushing yards. And I remember everybody was like, this is the most clear sell high. Get rid of him now. Turns out that was the lowest rushing total he's had all season and he's just been better every single week.

[Greg Korbeck]

He just looks better.

[Danny Kelly]

He looks like he's back again. This is, he's the Chase Brown of the season where he's getting 75 whatever percent of the snaps and carries and touches. And they are the absolute perfect situation for fantasy points where their defense stinks and their offense is really good led by a really good quarterback.

[Danny Hy]

And, and yeah, what we're now learning, we've. We'll tattoo this on our bodies. It is, it's not the year after the year after. It's year after the year after the year after.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, because he got hurt when he was 22 and our mistake was buying in was 24. It's like he's 25. That's the, that's the, that's the rule.

[Danny Hy]

Year after the year after the year after.

[Greg Korbeck]

Which also makes sense considering you know who else is just incredible this year is J.K. dobbins who.

[Danny Kelly]

Right.

[Greg Korbeck]

Had what was a career threatening injury five years ago.

[Danny Hy]

Right. So like Malik Neighbors will draft Malik neighbors 20. That'll be good.

[Danny Kelly]

Can we. Can we start doing in fantasy like a whole series or an episode every off season where it's just a flowchart and it says, are they healthy? Yes. No. And if it's yes, you draft them. And if not, don't.

[Danny Hy]

I'm confused. Is Javante Williams, does he count as healthy or not healthy?

[Danny Kelly]

Now he's healthy.

[Danny Hy]

Okay, but how do we know that before?

[Greg Korbeck]

Because the team doesn't.

[Danny Hy]

That contradict our. Like, don't take a guy after tearing a ligament. Is like Stefan Diggs this year. Like, was he healthy or not healthy?

[Greg Korbeck]

No.

[Danny Hy]

Not healthy.

[Danny Kelly]

No. Right. Well, this isn't a perfect rubric, I guess. Here's the deal. What if we knew ahead of time who would be healthy all year?

[Danny Hy]

Now that would be helpful. Now that's interesting.

[Danny Kelly]

That would be helpful. Do you think they're going to be healthy? Yes. Then take them.

[Danny Hy]

So you're saying we need a time machine. Does IKEA make time machines?

[Danny Kelly]

We need some sort of.

[Greg Korbeck]

IKEA doesn't make time machines to my knowledge, but ikea help you with your kitchen, baby.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's it for who's cooking this week, brought to you by our friends. At Ikea. We all want to cook, whether it's in fantasy football or in your dream kitchen. And at ikea, you can find everything you need to create yours, from big dreams like whole new kitchens to smaller ones like stylish plates. Bring them to life with high quality, expertly designed and innovative products. Visit IKEA US DreamKitchen to learn more. Dream the possibilities. I did just want to wait quickly shout out just the Colts. I know we talked about the Raiders, but I just want to shout out. The Colts had won this game 40 to 6 and it shout out. We're talking about that. John Taylor's the absolute wagon. They did, I just want to say 40 to 6, they did it in two quarters. Colts were. They benched their players to the fourth. They didn't have the ball. They went three and out in the first drive. The Raiders had like an 11 minute drive. So they just kind of got the ball in the second quarter started. They went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. Third quarter, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. They benched everyone.

[Danny Hy]

They're gonna win this year bowl. I'm just gonna call. Who cares?

[Greg Korbeck]

John Taylor had an octopus, which I. That's like an uncomfortable term. I don't know if I love it, but there were two today. John Taylor get the touchdown in the extra and the two point conversion. But what Daniel Jones. I'm looking around. I'm like, honestly, Sling is just, I'm not mad. I'm happy for him. I'm like, I, you know what?

[Danny Kelly]

It's, he was never going to do this in New York. If it's, you can stop thinking about it. I just stop wondering.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's, it's, it's that he looks revived.

[Danny Hy]

He loves something. Sometimes you have to let it go.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's cooking. I do. I'm honestly, I'm actually happy for him at every form. And I'm rooting for the Colts.

[Danny Hy]

Me too. America's team.

[Greg Korbeck]

Intrusive thoughts. I want. Speaking of the Colts, though. Intrusive thoughts. Once again, I'm like the Bernie Sanders mean. I am once again asking you why can't the punters kick and the kicker's punt. I don't understand.

[Danny Kelly]

I know that, I know that you think that there's probably a complicated answer, but it's really just because they're stupid. They should absolutely be able to kick.

[Danny Hy]

Because they don't. That's the answer.

[Danny Kelly]

Because this is the way we do things. They absolutely should be able to kick. And they probably can kick. They should just spend some time every practice instead of standing around and kicking a few punts. Practicing field goals, too. Think about that. You could do two different things.

[Greg Korbeck]

This was the perfect game for Colts, Raiders. The Raiders punter got hurt and the Colts kicker got hurt. Spent Schrader, who's having a good season for the Colts, and he got hurt. So the Colts just went for two. Every time it's an extra point, it's 33 yards. And you're, I'm serious.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm pretty sure I can kick an extra point.

[Danny Hy]

I think so too.

[Greg Korbeck]

NFL. Yeah, we should try it. NFL punters can't make a 33 yard field goal.

[Danny Kelly]

Dude.

[Greg Korbeck]

Pat McAfee has these kids on game day every week kick like a 30 yard field goal for $50,000 and some of them make it. How the fuck punters have you been to an NFL practice if you have not. If you're listening to this and you haven't been in NFL practice, the kickers and punters don't do. They're off to the side trying to.

[Danny Kelly]

Fill out doing their thing.

[Greg Korbeck]

They do.

[Danny Kelly]

They got a bag of balls out there. They got like a net massaging those.

[Danny Hy]

K balls all day, dude.

[Danny Kelly]

They spend 20 minutes a day. You don't even have to do it at practice. Do it after practice. Like when guys at the Jugs machine just fucking practice kicking it into a field goal.

[Greg Korbeck]

I, I, I all I ask, email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if you could explain why the fuck the punters can't make a goddamn extra point. What do they do all day? You think they'd be.

[Danny Kelly]

This is all rhetorical. They absolutely should be able to do it.

[Greg Korbeck]

There's no.

[Danny Kelly]

There's no excuses. Dk play like a champion.

[Greg Korbeck]

We texted each other another intrusive thought at the same time that the Bengals need to, like, get another quarterback, right?

[Danny Kelly]

We. We basically. It was like crossed in the ether or whatever. We both were like, they need to trade for Jameis Winston. Or there's a lot of people talking about trading for Russell Wilson. Why don't they trade for Jameis Winston?

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, get him. He'd be way better.

[Danny Kelly]

I'd be way more fun anyway.

[Greg Korbeck]

I know, I know the Bengals could move the ball when the Lions lost other cornerbacks and, like. But literally, the Bengals at one point were down 28 to 3 to the Lions. They ended up. The Lions won 37 to 24, but it was literally 28, 20 the 3. And they lines had to lose two or three quarterbacks to get to. For the Bengals to be able to do anything with Jamar Chase. Derek Carr is like, fake retired and, like, they should just do the Darren Wall.

[Danny Kelly]

When was the last time a guy retired, came back and.

[Danny Hy]

But he's saying he's fake retired, right?

[Greg Korbeck]

He's gonna. He's gonna come back and like, they Bengals should just trade for Derek Carr. I. I actually don't think he.

[Danny Kelly]

What would it take to get Carr right now?

[Greg Korbeck]

A six? The fifth?

[Danny Kelly]

Nothing like that.

[Greg Korbeck]

I. I don't know. I'm making it up, but I'm like, he's expensive enough. Like, I. I think it depends on the salary and what he agrees with. It's. It depends on the salary and who takes what. But I'm like, I actually think the Bengals need a quarterback.

[Danny Kelly]

This kid is funny.

[Danny Hy]

Derek Carr on the Bengals, though. Like, I can just already imagine him just getting the kicked out of him and then throwing it away on fourth down. Like, you just know. Not the best fit. But yeah, it's better than Jake Browning.

[Greg Korbeck]

They did do something.

[Danny Kelly]

It's so. It's. It's so weird because Browning was really pretty competent as a backup, you know, in. In the past and man, just not happening for.

[Danny Hy]

Since he made the cup at the super bowl on our show, since he played beer pong with us, he's been doomed.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's been horrific. Yeah, sorry. I had a ton of intrusive thoughts That I have to ask you as one more.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's get it.

[Greg Korbeck]

So if. If they ban the tush push next year, like, do the Eagles, like, need Jalen hurts.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, well, you're gonna get some hate mail, pal.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was an intrusive thought. I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying it occurred to me.

[Danny Kelly]

Okay.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's all.

[Danny Kelly]

I think he's still very good at a lot of other things besides the tush push.

[Greg Korbeck]

Why? Because he's like 18 and one in the last 19 games he's finished. Including winning the Super Bowl.

[Danny Kelly]

Is that why? Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I'm gonna reserve my thoughts. I need to. I need some more data into my model.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was an intrusive thought. It was. That's all. I also think my other intrusive thought was Thursday in football. If the Niners had just taken Mac Jones and not traded up for Trey Lance, they would have won both Super Bowls they made.

[Danny Kelly]

Right. Because they would have had three more first round picks.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes and no. I'm dead. Yeah, they'd have Mac Jones.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Who would have played like Purdy the whole time, but with more first rounders.

[Danny Kelly]

I think.

[Greg Korbeck]

Crazy.

[Danny Kelly]

They could have not traded up. They could have just taken him where they originally were. I think.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, he went 15th to the Patriots. The Niners could have just had Mac Jones and not traded two first to. They would have won. Man.

[Danny Kelly]

Mac Jones, he was dry heaving on the sideline because he was in so much pain. He was battling out there.

[Danny Hy]

I gotta say, he earned a lot of, like, Niners fans love after that game. All my friends from the Bay Area, my dad was like, they're in love with Mac Jones now. Who just got the absolute out of him.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like the Woody, like, you know.

[Danny Hy]

It'S not that they're in love. They don't like Purdy or anything like that. They're just like, max Jones is our fucking guy.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

McCorkle is our guy.

[Danny Kelly]

Mike McMichael McCorkle Jones.

[Greg Korbeck]

It's. It also can't be stressed enough that Darnold, before the Vikings thing, just spent a year in San Francisco.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Like, Shannon can do this with anybody.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, it is Mullins.

[Danny Hy]

Also, the. The Mac Jones jacket will now live on in our memories forever as an iconic pregame attire. He wore the. Yeah, that was the half black, half red suit jacket.

[Greg Korbeck]

He also said he saw a dead body from his hotel in Marina Del Rey that morning.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

And it was.

[Danny Kelly]

I thought that story was fake.

[Greg Korbeck]

I thought it was too. I gotta tell you guys, I saw. I happened to me the first time I saw a video today. That was. That was AI. That. That was fake.

[Danny Hy]

I thought you got tricked.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I got tricked.

[Danny Kelly]

I don't believe anything anymore.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was an alligator walking up to. It was a door. It was a ring doorbell, camera, video. And it was an alligator walking up to a kid, a three year old kid. And a mom grabs it like the kid. The kid and like hauls it inside.

[Danny Kelly]

Was the alligator walking on two feet?

[Greg Korbeck]

No, it just looked normal and I thought it was real and then it was AI.

[Danny Hy]

Anyway, I don't know why, like I guess. I guess I don't know what else you would call it, but when he said an alligator walked up, I thought he met on two feet.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, that's because when they're in the water on the little head, it's like that actually is on two feet like a bear.

[Danny Kelly]

My first thought was like some Disney movie.

[Danny Hy]

I was like, oh, no. Hi. Vin's got checked by an alligator walking idiot. What's going on?

[Danny Kelly]

Do alligators walk?

[Danny Hy]

Do alligators walk? I guess.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, they have four feet and they walk.

[Danny Kelly]

Smoking a cigarette.

[Greg Korbeck]

Not as.

[Danny Hy]

He wearing clothes.

[Danny Kelly]

He walked up to the door.

[Danny Hy]

Walked up to the door.

[Greg Korbeck]

Got my damn eye.

[Danny Hy]

I'm like, what?

[Greg Korbeck]

Got his damn eye. Anyway, play of the day. I can't remember the last time one game literally just was decided by the play of the day and the worst play of the day. But Cardinals titans really fit the bill.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I didn't want more. There was like three or four worst and bests of that game. Can we draft them?

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Hy]

Okay. My first pick is Kyler Murray taking a snap directly into the face.

[Danny Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Hy]

And then leaving to go into the medical tent.

[Greg Korbeck]

What the was that? I am so glad you brought this out. The Titans won 22, 21.

[Danny Kelly]

Concussion.

[Danny Hy]

No, they weren't.

[Greg Korbeck]

Did he go to the locker room?

[Danny Hy]

He had a foot injury, but it was horrible. Horrible time.

[Greg Korbeck]

He jogged. He jogged to the locker room.

[Danny Hy]

Horrible time. I don't know. Everybody thought everybody was saying he was getting evaluated for a concussion.

[Danny Kelly]

The ball hit him, hit him in the face. His head snapped back.

[Danny Hy]

It did. What are you.

[Greg Korbeck]

What are we talking about? Yeah, that was unbelievable.

[Danny Hy]

For every other quarterback that's in his chest. So the center was confused. It was tough.

[Greg Korbeck]

I. I'll get the second pick.

[Danny Kelly]

Generous Craig. It's more like in their, you know, crotch or something.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, Tika, you get the second pick here. What do you want to.

[Danny Kelly]

Well, I'm obviously taking. I guess it's not that obvious.

[Danny Hy]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm gonna take D. Mercado.

[Danny Hy]

Oh wow. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

I just. Sometimes I just don't get it. I just don't understand. I don't. You would think explain what happened for.

[Greg Korbeck]

The people who blessed to not see this play.

[Danny Kelly]

He was. He ran. He had the 76 yard like jailbreak touchdown all by himself.

[Greg Korbeck]

A running back stream.

[Danny Hy]

It would have ended the game.

[Danny Kelly]

Didn't. I didn't like anything about this run because number one he started slowing down when he was at like the 20 yard line. That was strike number one.

[Danny Hy]

So you are a. You are a backup's backup. Sprint like he's slowing down through the locker room. Like don't stop running. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Running the game at take him out 28 to 10 or something.

[Danny Hy]

Dude slowing down is a third stringer is out of control. Forrest Gump through the tunnel. Okay.

[Danny Kelly]

So that was what pissed me off first. And then he fucking dropped the ball before he crossed the goal line.

[Greg Korbeck]

He slipped.

[Danny Kelly]

I cannot believe how often this happens in the NFL.

[Danny Hy]

It's like once every other week.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. It happens way too much. You would have thought one time in the 1980s somebody did this and then every other player for the rest of time was like God, I don't ever want to look that fucking stupid. That. Can you imagine doing that the worst thing of all time. And then he. Then it just happens at least like two or three times.

[Greg Korbeck]

It happened one week.

[Danny Kelly]

Jonathan Taylor did it last year. Who did it last week.

[Greg Korbeck]

On the Colts last year. And 80 Mitchell's on the team.

[Danny Kelly]

Not that I'm defending. 80 Mitchell.

[Danny Hy]

His was a little different.

[Danny Kelly]

His was more like where you're holding yourself on and all of a sudden you just throw it.

[Greg Korbeck]

That was Jackson dart today. Jackson dirt was just running and then saw a defender was like whoa. And then he just dropped this different.

[Danny Hy]

Because it was showboat. Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

And so people brought.

[Danny Hy]

He did like a finger roll.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

So right though that I. I didn't even know I felt this way. But you're so right. He slowed down. So I really. I don't. I really had think he had. There was a defender trailing him.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

He almost got no idea that guy was there.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. No. And the idea thing or whatever.

[Greg Korbeck]

That guy almost forced the fumble too. If he had been one step slower. That guy was going to get him because he didn't know he was there.

[Danny Kelly]

I just think it's the dumbest play in football. I hate it so much. It fucking drives me insane that this happens so often. Just. And Craig I think me and you were talking about this in Ireland. I can't remember exactly what the context was, but we're like, if we were. If we had our own team, we would have a rule that you have to. Every time you score a touchdown, you have to take the ball and hand.

[Danny Hy]

It to your coach because you have.

[Danny Kelly]

To just run through the end zone. We're never, ever fucking doing this. That's rule number one on our team is we're never letting go of the football before. Before we get to the.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, it's like Denzel talking to Petey. And remember the Titans. How many feet are in a mile? 5,280ft.

[Danny Kelly]

You score a touchdown, you don't spike it, you don't celebrate. You run directly to me and hand me the ball.

[Danny Hy]

Give me the ball.

[Greg Korbeck]

I. That. It is. It literally never gets old.

[Danny Kelly]

I think it drives me insane. It's the stupidest play in sports. Imag.

[Greg Korbeck]

God, not only.

[Danny Kelly]

First of all, people, sorry to interrupt you if it's.

[Danny Hy]

No, keep going.

[Danny Kelly]

The other thing I want to point out here, maybe I've done this in the past. I can't even remember because I've gone off on this so many times. It doesn't even look cool when you drop the ball before. Like when you're going into the end.

[Danny Hy]

I know. It's such a good situation.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a no win situation.

[Danny Hy]

I know. You don't look cool when you drop.

[Danny Kelly]

The ball like that. No, sorry.

[Danny Hy]

Incorporate the ball into your celebration.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know, that's a great point. It's like you shouldn't smoke cigarettes, but it looks. Does look cool.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Dropping the ball. Cool.

[Greg Korbeck]

It looks super lame.

[Danny Hy]

It's like those giant vapes.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was heavy. Yeah, it's like smoking. It's like. Yeah, it looks heavy.

[Danny Hy]

Like giant vapes. It's like you're holding like a TV remote from 2005 up to your face.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, that's ridiculous. Hold on. Sorry. One. One last thing to add context to this. If you would have not let go of the football, the Cardinals would have been leading 28 to 6.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

With 12 minutes in the fourth quarter and they lost the fucking game.

[Greg Korbeck]

Insane. After this.

[Danny Hy]

Wait, wait. I have one more note on this. If. If you're. If you're gonna do it, let's say. Let's say it's like we're past that and you're going to do it.

[Danny Kelly]

The new generation thinks it's cool, actually.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Drop it behind you. Don't drop it forward. Don't touch Back it. Drop it behind you. So at least if the defense gets it, they're on the one yard line or something like that. Don't throw it forward. Don't do that. Throw it behind you. Maybe your own teammate can pick it up. Yep.

[Greg Korbeck]

I just like, wouldn't you just think you'd want to cross the end zone? Like, I just. I don't know how that's not on your mind. I. I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

Just. Just the stupidest playing sports. I just hate it.

[Greg Korbeck]

It totally. It immediately changed the game. Like, you keep carrying the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

It's the simplest thing imag. It might not drop the ball.

[Danny Hy]

It is definitely not the craziest thing that happened in this game.

[Greg Korbeck]

Well, that's the thing. So the. The Titans go down and score a touchdown.

[Danny Kelly]

Maybe the Maddow.

[Greg Korbeck]

So the Titans go down and score a touchdown. And then the Cardinals punt. And the Titans have. Jackie was. I was like. It made a sound. Jackie's like, what happened? And I was like, something I have never seen at any level of football just happened. And the. Cam Ward rolls left and throws a pass that is batted up by one of the five defensive linemen that was in front of him. And the ball is intercepted. And then the guy kind of just falls with the ball and then in the process of falling, drops the interception, but clearly caught it and then drops it. And then all the defenders kind of yakety sack scramble to get the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

Somebody kicked it.

[Greg Korbeck]

Roll kick. It's like the phone dropped up. Kick. Oh no, my phone. And then it's like in the. And then Tyler Lockett falls on it and the Titans score a fucking touchdown on a ball that literally in the books was intercepted and they fumbled without anyone on the Titans touching them. Like I. There are. That has happened at times. There's a famous Chargers Patriots game from like 20 years ago that in the playoffs where Marlon McCree got a ball and then Troy Brown punched the ball free. This motherfucker fumbled an interception without being touched, which has probably never happened before. And the Titans scored on the play. Then they got the ball back at Cam Ward, let it feel. And the Insights won the game.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

That brought them within two.

[Greg Korbeck]

That was the craziest play ever.

[Danny Kelly]

I know that it doesn't actually make any sense to advocate for this, but like, anytime I see a defender make a play and like intercept the ball, I'm always like, please just go down, stop running. You're just going to do something stupid.

[Danny Hy]

It's ironic because that's what Tyler Lockett does He just kept Tyler. I gotta say, I'm very happy the Titans won. Like, I'm happy for them. I'm happy for Cam Ward. All those plays that we just outlined. Amari Di Mercado's fumble. Fucking Kyler Murray taken to the face. Like all of. I don't think I've seen a luckier win in my life. Like, I got. I think that was the luckiest win I've ever seen.

[Greg Korbeck]

One in a million.

[Danny Hy]

Three of those things happening in your favor.

[Danny Kelly]

Right?

[Danny Hy]

What were the odds that would be? One in a billion. It's like a guy, a 75 yard touchdown run, he throws into the end zone. A pick gets fumbled into the end zone that you recover for a touchdown. And then the quarterback on the other team takes a snap to the face. Dude gets hurt. And then your team recovers it.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know that movie Angels in the outfield? They're like angels in the end zone. It really was like divine intervention.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Wanted the Cardinals.

[Danny Kelly]

You're right.

[Greg Korbeck]

That probably is the luckiest win I've ever seen.

[Danny Kelly]

Schefter was tweeting out the. The post game speech by Brian Callahan. I didn't watch it, but now I really want to because what do you even say in this situation?

[Greg Korbeck]

Don't give.

[Danny Kelly]

Fucking hell, man. We won. Hell yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I think we need to be like the, like the foremost experts or like the, like the. The post game speech crew. Because, like, we need to do commentary on those. Because I think a lot of coaches aren't that good at it.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

And the ones who are really stand out. Like, like Dan Campbell crushes Dan Campbell.

[Greg Korbeck]

Like, makes me wish I had played football.

[Danny Hy]

Totally. Like Tomlin's fantastic. But there are other ones where I remember it was like when, like, like Brandon Staley would win a game and you'd see those and it was like, ooh, it's not working. And this feels forced. I want to create like a power ranking. Who's the best at it. We should have like a whole day to be base.

[Danny Kelly]

I think. Isn't Andy Reid pretty good at it? I feel like I like people. People just like Andy Reed.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think they just win a lot.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Even Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh all the other day when they beat. I don't know if it was like the Chiefs win some win. It's almost like what he says is not great, but how he says it is awesome because he's Jim Harbaugh.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's. No, exactly.

[Danny Hy]

There's a famous kind of bad.

[Danny Kelly]

There's a famous picture from like the. Like the P. Peak Pete Carroll era in Seattle where he's, like, standing on top of the lockers, like, screaming at the team and like a post game thing. It's so great. That's. That's a good idea.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Let's make a database.

[Danny Hy]

I just think we need to. I just.

[Greg Korbeck]

Campbell's on another level.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yes.

[Danny Hy]

He's probably top dog right now.

[Greg Korbeck]

Gonna take a hunk out of wall for that guy. Any other worst plays of the day? I actually really want to highlight what Craig said, and that was when we do. If we do the rewatchables at the end of the season and we're talking about what was the craziest plays of the year, there's a chance that the Cardinals two plays were both the top two entries, and they were in the same second half. Like, the demarcado tossing the ball and that Cam Ward thing were probably the two craziest things we'll see all year, and they happen to.

[Danny Kelly]

The odds of those two plays happening together, it's just.

[Greg Korbeck]

That is crazy astronomical. That is the right word. Any other plays you wanted to mention?

[Danny Kelly]

Mark Andrews dropped a pass for about 10 yards today. That ended up being an interception.

[Greg Korbeck]

He looked like he was hurling. He's not allowed to hold it.

[Danny Kelly]

It's no longer funny to me. I just feel bad at this point.

[Danny Hy]

It was. It was a low throw. It was off the mark. All right.

[Greg Korbeck]

Okay.

[Danny Hy]

That's threw off his balance. You know, sometimes.

[Danny Kelly]

Let'S just. I don't want to pile on with the Ravens right now.

[Greg Korbeck]

I feel bad. Yeah. That's the worst part of being a fan, by the way. That was when I realized the Giants were awful, was when people stopped making fun of them, when DK made fun of them. I was like, yeah, you know, we should be better. And then one day, DK felt bad and stopped, and I was like.

[Danny Kelly]

Like, I don't actually want high five. It's to be sad.

[Greg Korbeck]

I was like, that's a terrible sign.

[Danny Hy]

Once he's like, hey, they put together a couple good drives there, buddy.

[Greg Korbeck]

I was like, I liked it better when you were making fun of us. Pity is all.

[Danny Kelly]

We didn't really talk about the Giants losing to the Saints today. How you feeling?

[Greg Korbeck]

Dart looked incredible for two drives. I mean, the giants turned the ball over five straight times.

[Danny Hy]

His fumble was. Was.

[Danny Kelly]

His fumble was A.D. mitchell thing. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Just like he just dropped the ball.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Like, he didn't even try to switch hands. He just was running with it and dropped it. Scaboo. Had the fumble sticks. Just funny. But the. Darius Slayton was the funniest to me because Darius Slayton had a catch fumbled, and then he just looked like he was unplugged. Like, he looked like an NPC that just, like, he just went prone. It looked like he had, like, passed out from. He was so, like, distraught that he had fumbled this ball. But I've never seen a player do what he did. He looked like he was knocked out, but he was just upset.

[Danny Kelly]

So he had five turnovers in a.

[Greg Korbeck]

Row in five straight. Six if you count turnover run downs. They turned the ball over six straight times. So not a good way to win.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Dart, dart. Whatever, man.

[Danny Hy]

It's your Saints.

[Danny Kelly]

I know my Saints, baby.

[Greg Korbeck]

Don't even care. It's fine.

[Danny Kelly]

How'd you beat the Chargers one week and then lose the Saints next week? Man, the first. Football's wild.

[Greg Korbeck]

The most important thing that happened today, though, was our guy. Our guy. Really, though. Eric Collins, who's the Hornets announcer, who is the single best sports voice in the history of the world.

[Danny Kelly]

Can you imagine sitting next to him in the press box?

[Danny Hy]

He has the belt right now.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, that's. He has the belt. He is.

[Danny Hy]

It's his, like, good luck trying to take it. He's in for a long time.

[Greg Korbeck]

Unbelievable. Like, we. The hardest I've laughed probably as an adult was us sitting in the draft of Detroit. The hotel just that day. Tried to kill, like, 12 hours. Watching Eric Collins for like an hour. Nothing. No. So anyway, he announced game. Can we. Disaster.

[Danny Hy]

There was a great dowdle clip. Let's. Can we play that.

[Greg Korbeck]

One more time, please? One more time.

[Danny Hy]

Still on his feet.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think he knew Gus was coming for him because Gus Johnson, over the weekend did a Michigan game. He did the hero again. He used the hero again. But on a Michigan player.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, he was like the hero. He cooked. I, I. So I watched the Commander's Chargers game today on the big screen. I had the broadcast going, and it was Brady and kb and usually, you know what? Brady was bad. And I haven't listened to Brady all season. And I had heard that he was better. Maybe he was off his game today. I don't know. I thought it was the same old kind of incompetent Tom Brady. Just like word soup. Doesn't know where the sentence is going when he starts it. He had one today where Herbert got sacked or, like, pressured or something. Pressured and then pressure. So Brady goes. I wrote it down. It's not. It's a short sense that this is what he said. He goes, so. So Herbert gets pressured or sacked or whatever, and he goes, a little juice there for the commander's defense. They feel the juice the Chargers do.

[Greg Korbeck]

Like.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, my God, What? A little juice there for the commander's defense. They just feel the juice the Chargers do. What are we doing here.

[Danny Kelly]

Woman?

[Greg Korbeck]

Whoa, Cynthia.

[Danny Hy]

He's talking like Yoda. They feel the juice the Chargers do.

[Greg Korbeck]

What are you talking about?

[Danny Hy]

Oh, my God.

[Danny Kelly]

We really haven't talked about Brady this year.

[Danny Hy]

No, I haven't really watched because it's like, I usually got the four box going, but today I just had, like, I wanted to hear a broadcast like.

[Danny Kelly]

Yoda feel the juice the Chargers do.

[Danny Hy]

I was like, what are we doing here? He's still got it in the worst way.

[Danny Kelly]

Great stuff. Great stuff. He. He definitely, like, he's changed the. What's. I don't know even what the expression is. Like, the. The volume. Like, the. He's like. He was high pitched last year kind of where he was like, kind of yelling. You know how you. You like when you're doing your. It's like he's like talking into a mic that's too far away or something like that.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's like, yelling or like, that's how I talk on speakerphone.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, he. It's like he's on stage and they're like, hey, your mic doesn't work. He's gonna have to speak up.

[Danny Kelly]

Right, Right. I think he's gotten a little better at that, but the analysis hasn't changed a whole lot.

[Danny Hy]

He was still kind of yelling, but.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, he was still kind of yelling.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's. He really is kind of like an alien who's pretending to be a person.

[Danny Hy]

And again, he's. He's genuinely like, 10 times better when he's not on the broadcast.

[Greg Korbeck]

He's bizarre, literally. Tom Brady talking about football is amazing in every context.

[Danny Hy]

It's great.

[Greg Korbeck]

Except when he's paid $2 million to talk about it for three hours at a time. That. Then he's terrible.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Otherwise, he's great. He sounds like the Demons. K Pop Demon Hunters. The Arthur Smith and or Sean Hockey award for coach or referee. That pissed you off? I. I was mad at Sean. Sean Hockey. I. That was a great Bills Patriots. Sean Hockey game tonight on Sunday Night Football.

[Danny Hy]

I will say, looking jacked.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I was thrilled. I mean, I loved seeing a great match between Josh Allen, Drake May and Sean Hockey Lee. That was fun.

[Danny Hy]

I had a couple moments that pissed me off. I. I thought the Eagles Broncos game was a Mess from a ref perspective, like it was all over. Especially in the fourth quarter. There was, there was two. Pissed me off. One, there was an extremely ticky tack pre snap double motion penalty where man, if somebody was watching the NFL for the first time today and you had to fucking describe to them why there was a flag on that play. It was like John Dotson on the Eagles lines up and like shifts his body six inches. Then ten seconds later Saquon goes into motion and comes back towards Hearst. Hurts, hurt. Snaps the ball as Saquon is still like finishing up his motion back in. They throw the flag because that's technically a double motion. Even though one happened 15 seconds before the other and Dotson like barely moved. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. That's one. I don't know if you have comments on that or I can move on to the next one.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, my comment is it was a huge fucking flag because that was the one where Devonte smith got a fourth and four. That would have put them at the 20 yard line and they would have got them a field goal and instead.

[Danny Hy]

Their Eagles punted and yeah, probably lost in the game.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, like that. The outcome, it could not have been a bigger outcome on a, on a play that did not score. It literally put them from midfield punting range on a fourth down that would have turnover on downs into a 30 yard field goal range. It was a huge call.

[Danny Hy]

It just actually think felt like such a technicality.

[Danny Kelly]

Inane, very subtle pre snap procedural infractions are the reason I watch football. So I'm glad it happened.

[Danny Hy]

Something about calling it an infraction makes it so much better.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like Jesus Christ.

[Greg Korbeck]

Infraction.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, I don't know, we've lost the fucking plot. Why we call like we don't need to call that.

[Danny Hy]

Did you see the play Decals sent it to you?

[Danny Kelly]

I saw it. It was insanely ticky tacky.

[Danny Hy]

And then another one that was just like the refs like I guess not wanting to admit their mistake or I don't know what the reflection refs they call intentional grounding on Bo Nicks replay assist then reverses the call. The, the refs do not say that like they throw the flag. It was an intentional grounding. And you're like, oh, okay, it's an intentional grounding. Romo and Nance like, oh, it's intentional grounding. And then it's like they call it. And then like whatever Nance and Romo are talking about, if it was intentional Grounding or not. And then the next play just starts and it's not. And Nance goes, oh, I. I guess they reversed it. And Romo's like, oh, that would have been nice to know. And they just snapped the ball and the rest.

[Greg Korbeck]

Dude, that was insane. So replay assist is good. And replace. This has been awesome. Which is basically if they throw a flag on certain plays. The command center New York is now under Walt Coleman, who runs it now way more liberal about like, yeah, we'll pick some shit up if it's wrong. If we're able to get our eyes on it and you threw a flag and it's wrong. We'll say, pick up the flag. They're not going to put. Put down a flag from like 3,000 miles away, but they'll pick it up. That's good. But it was. The way they handled this was crazy. It was bizarre. Like, also a huge call because that was the difference between a third and six, which the Broncos converted and then won the game where 3rd and 21, which they almost certainly would not have picked up.

[Danny Hy]

I just love the idea of them not wanting to kind of admit it and they just moved on.

[Greg Korbeck]

Honestly, Rex should do that more.

[Danny Kelly]

This reminds me of, like in. I remember this vividly still. In middle school, I was running the clock for, like, a basketball tournament and I It up. It was kind of like what happened literally at the hurling game we went to in Ireland where they. They up the score on the scoreboard and I was just, like, hoping no one would notice. And of course, everyone in the stands.

[Greg Korbeck]

Fucking, wait, you screwed up the clock.

[Danny Kelly]

I gave. I gave like two points when it was a three or something like that. And I fucked it up.

[Greg Korbeck]

Up.

[Danny Kelly]

And then I was like. I waited too long to fix it. This was like a middle school game with, like, sixth graders. So it's not like a big deal, but still the crowd was very upset with me because I tried to, like, I waited too long to correct it and no. And the referees didn't really notice. And so, like, then they scored again. And I tried to just like sheepishly add one point or something like that, or I don't know what it was. And then it was like this big, like, everyone freaked out.

[Danny Hy]

Score keeping is hard. I got. I always used to get anxiety whenever I had to do that. Stupid. To be clear, it's kind of. It's tricky. It's.

[Greg Korbeck]

A lot of you thought you could get away with it by then making another mistake that you were hoping all people wouldn't also notice.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. And also to be clear, I was like, in seventh grade or sixth grade.

[Greg Korbeck]

I'm glad you clarified. It was picturing an adult.

[Danny Kelly]

No, no, no, no, no. I was. I was, you know, I think I was one year older than the people that were playing or something like that. I was running the clock and it.

[Danny Hy]

Was just like stadium. Stadium pulse is just maxed out.

[Greg Korbeck]

Stadium pulse on the score, keeping you right. We're keeping there.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like, whatever.

[Danny Hy]

You get the fouls, timeouts, the score. You're like, discombobulated. It's gonna be buttons.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

So you see the offense coordinator, he's like, I don't know how to work this thing. It's incredible. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in that Broncos, the Eagles game. There was just. There. There was a lot. The other one. I just want the Jackson dark. I called with the Roughy, the passer. That was horrific. I. I will admit, as a Giants fan, they was the worst one I saw all day. But I.

[Danny Kelly]

The.

[Greg Korbeck]

The real. The other ref one. I on with is bad day for Skycam 1.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah, this was random.

[Greg Korbeck]

Justin Fields threw a pass off a defender's face that bounced into the camera. Another one in a million. We're living in a simulation thing that happened today.

[Danny Kelly]

Wait, did you know High Fitz. This was brought up at halftime of the Sunday Night Football. If a ball hits the sky cam, it's a dead ball and they should replay the play.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

And so that happened. And no one apparently knew this was a rule and the jets could have challenged. That was like a. They should have replayed the play instead of whatever it ended up being so they could have.

[Greg Korbeck]

And I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they didn't force the rule, because that is made for plays that aren't super fucking over already, which a ball that is ricocheting backwards of an incomplete pass 20 yards behind everyone. A play that absolutely should have been redone and almost swung. The game is the London game.

[Danny Kelly]

Will.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think Riker, the Vikings kicker, hit the wire on a field goal and everyone made fun of him and thought he shanked it. It hit the sky cam wire and it just.

[Danny Kelly]

They didn't have, like, good enough confirmation.

[Greg Korbeck]

They have a camera facing the fucking.

[Danny Kelly]

Wire, which I got.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, the camera's on it. I. But, like, it just hit it. And it clearly hit the camera line. Cause the line moves after the ball changed his path. And honestly, I mean, before Jordan Addison, the gay winning touchdown, the vikings were down 3. This almost changed the outcome of the game. Which is funny. So wild. Weird game for Sky Kim. Yeah. Other stuff. Yeah. Lucille Bluth. I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. At what point in Bengals lines, Jamar Chase had three tackles and four catches.

[Danny Kelly]

What? He made the tackle on all three of them.

[Greg Korbeck]

Four catches. Jake Browning, three picks. Jamar Chase face made the intercept, made the tackle on all three really funny.

[Danny Hy]

At least he's getting targeted. AJ Brown would kill for that.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes. AJ Brown would love to make it four catches of three tackles. Is it. I mean, honestly, Travis Hunter could never.

[Danny Hy]

Dk. I'm sure you know this guy is. Because this is your job, but do you know Ryan Flower noise?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Danny Hy]

That's a real person.

[Greg Korbeck]

Is it Flower Noi?

[Danny Hy]

I don't know.

[Danny Kelly]

I've heard it. Flor Noi, Flournoy and Flower Noise.

[Greg Korbeck]

I thought it was.

[Danny Kelly]

I'm not sure what it is, actually.

[Danny Hy]

F L O U R That's Flower.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, I've heard people on the. On the broadcast call him Flower Noise, so maybe that's what it is.

[Danny Hy]

Well, that guy led the Cowboys in receiving today. He had six catches for 114 yards.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Danny Hy]

I literally, like, double taked. I was like, who's this guy?

[Greg Korbeck]

Didn't have a catch.

[Danny Hy]

He didn't play. He was hurt.

[Greg Korbeck]

I know.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to get a catch when you don't play.

[Danny Kelly]

I vaguely. I do vaguely remember Flower Noise from the Senior Bowl, I believe.

[Danny Hy]

Can you tell me what school he went to? I know.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I cannot, like, whatever. Southern Alabama or something like that.

[Danny Hy]

Oh, yeah, you're close. Southeast Missouri State. Okay.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

I knew it was like a small school. Yeah. That guy's a legend.

[Danny Hy]

He is now.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Flower.

[Greg Korbeck]

No.

[Danny Kelly]

Flower.

[Danny Hy]

Ryan Flower. No. I led the Cowboys today with 114 yards.

[Greg Korbeck]

Maybe it's because Aaron Glenn, the coach of the jets, was really concerned with, like, having boxing gloves at practice. They didn't prep all the time with Ryan Flournoy.

[Danny Hy]

It's one of those things where if the team was good, that'd be awesome. The boxing glove, you know, Lucille Bluth.

[Greg Korbeck]

Don'T understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. This is gonna. I don't understand the bottom line. I'm not. I don't totally want to make light of the situation, but I will say the NFL Network ticker this morning for London. The ticker just said, Mark Sanchez stabbed, comma, arrested.

[Danny Hy]

Yep. This is one of the all time rug pulls because it was originally like, holy shit. He was attacked he was attacked and now it's like it was some confrontation happened at night fight and he got arrested for it. But I agree. I saw that headline where I was like, you don't often see stabbed, arrested.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's stabbed, calm arrest. I was like, you know what one whoever wrote that very concise, incredible syntax.

[Danny Kelly]

Stabbed and also arrested.

[Greg Korbeck]

Stabbed, comma, arrested. I was like, yeah, I've never that's.

[Danny Hy]

A four word story. What's the, what is the famous like the shortest story? Baby shoes never worn.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, yeah. Stabbed, calm, arrested.

[Danny Hy]

Mark Sanchez, stabbed, comma, arrested versus baby shoes never worn. It's pretty good.

[Greg Korbeck]

Any other things that you just didn't understand? Florida is pretty good. Two tight ends who had scored cow pits in a lie. Falcons on by. So I didn't have anything for pits. Yeah, I did and I also, I mean AJ Brown but Flournoy was going to be in my answer so I didn't do Flournoy.

[Danny Hy]

Who do we have for burn book? I have a nominee. Do you guys have any?

[Greg Korbeck]

I have a few potential ones but I'm curious.

[Danny Hy]

I think it should be Trayvon Henderson. Yeah, I think people including myself has started him every single week for five weeks hoping that he pops and to if it's not today, I don't know when it's going to be literally Ramon Gibson got hurt. Gibson fumbles and gets hurt, leaves the game and still remodel or Drave. Henderson doesn't do shit.

[Danny Kelly]

Craig is like texting in the middle of game like, like he must how much does Trayvon Henderson just suck?

[Danny Hy]

He must not be good or the pass protection must be a nightmare. But Ramandre ran in two touchdowns like two quarters after he fumbled in this game.

[Greg Korbeck]

So it is funny to think Randre has just been a lot better even though he's still, I guess you know what's funny about fantasy football? I, I, I, I, I don't know. I, I think Remontri leads the league in fumbles. I assume you have three. So you know what's so funny is with everything going on with Henderson ended up becoming like a top 40, top 50 draft pick in fantasy and Ramon Dre kept falling. If I had told you that Ramanje would lead the league in fumbles through.

[Danny Hy]

Five weeks, it's a great call.

[Greg Korbeck]

And yet Mike Vrabel refuses to stop using Ramondre. No one would have believed you that you said if you had just been like ramonjo, keep fumbling but it won't matter. No one would have fucking believed you.

[Danny Hy]

If somebody told me, hey, through the first five weeks of the season, Ramandre will have lost three fumbles. I think there's a chance that Trayvon Henderson would have gone before like o' Marion Hampton in drafts.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

And Gibson's gonna get hurt.

[Danny Hy]

So I do think Henderson is going.

[Greg Korbeck]

To be really good the second half.

[Danny Hy]

I'm sure he will.

[Greg Korbeck]

Don't give up on him.

[Danny Hy]

No, you can't drop them. But I don't. You can't play them well.

[Greg Korbeck]

No. The burn book hot streak is going though. So week one, we burned Waddle. Week two, we burned Andrews. Week three, Pacheco. Week four, burn Calvin. Really? At 130 yards, baby.

[Danny Hy]

Never wrong, just early.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think we should burn Henderson. We're on a hot streak with burning people.

[Danny Kelly]

We're burning him in orders to play him next week.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah. This is just Craig burning. We're burning players. Craig has so that.

[Danny Hy]

I'm only one preparing for this segment. What are you guys.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's not true. You're just angry that your teams are worse than us.

[Danny Hy]

You were ready to give up. Are you ready to just go with Trevor Henderson without even nominating your own person? Who do you want?

[Danny Kelly]

Can we burn Derek Henry?

[Greg Korbeck]

I was, I was gonna ask him.

[Danny Hy]

I don't think you can burn Derek Henry. I don't think you can.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think because he had the touchdown. I was also gonna ask him about H. Brown.

[Danny Hy]

No, I don't think it's about the touchdown. I think it's because Lamar will be back in like a game and a half and then Jerry Henry might go back.

[Greg Korbeck]

I was gonna ask you at A.J.

[Danny Kelly]

Brown.

[Greg Korbeck]

His great game today was five catches, 43 yards. The only reason I'm hesitant is because he very much should have had a 50 yard touchdown. However, AJ Brown, I mean does. Does who has more points in the season, him or Ryan Flournoy?

[Danny Hy]

It's probably Ryan Flower noise. I mean, look, I don't have a problem with that. I'm. I'm more upset with A.J. brown. These are all my players.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Craig should get to choose because he's the only one that prepared for the segment.

[Danny Hy]

I know I'm the only one who brings the passion to this segment.

[Greg Korbeck]

You bring hatred and anger.

[Danny Hy]

I do?

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

I mean I. You.

[Danny Kelly]

Is it Trayvon?

[Danny Hy]

Well.

[Greg Korbeck]

He'S right about Henderson because you know why?

[Danny Hy]

I think it's Trayvon, dude, like at least AJ Brown had a big game this year. Travion is. Is maddening because he's just like never on the field.

[Danny Kelly]

I think Henderson looks good when he's on the field.

[Greg Korbeck]

Henderson's a good call because other than him, this has been a really good year for just Hype. Hype is a winner of the season so far. Tyler Warren, Hype, Emeka Buka, Hype. God damn it. There's a third example I'm trying to think of. Who else had a lot of this? There were. I was thinking about this earlier during the game and Henderson is.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

During the off season. Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah.

[Danny Kelly]

Henderson, Tyler Warren, kind of Pierce all.

[Danny Hy]

I'm trying to think.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, I was. Sorry. Well, Genti. I know that Genti and the running. I guess the rookie running backs in general, like Genty and Hampton, like, they have looked good. Maybe not incredible fantasy, but like, generally speaking, I do think that a lot of. Of guys that were hyped up did weirdly, like s. Took Tyler Warren in the sixth round in a ringer draft. That was a great pick. I thought it was crazy. Like Auk Henderson.

[Danny Kelly]

Smack me on Auka and Tyler Warren.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah. And I was like, damn. He took a Booka in the fifth and. And. And. Or he took a in the fourth and Tyler Warren six. And it was great picks. And Henderson is the guy that people thought would be like that. And he should have gone six rounds later.

[Danny Kelly]

Yep.

[Danny Hy]

I mean, he's unplayable. He's in every week. Like, he's just not on the field enough.

[Greg Korbeck]

And it's also his jersey's so goddamn small. What's with his name?

[Danny Kelly]

Weird. That's a red flag.

[Greg Korbeck]

Fix it. Is it made of a different material?

[Danny Kelly]

He's got the TJ Maxx jersey. Why don't they give him a real jersey?

[Danny Hy]

Maybe. Maybe Variable's punishing him. You know, you'll get a real jersey when hazed.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. So weird. He's the only player in the NFL that has that lettering.

[Greg Korbeck]

Where did he get it from? What is origin? I'm gonna text someone right now and just try to figure out what the fuck is going on.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Get to the bottom of that. You know what? Fantasy is annoying because Calvin Ridley has been terrible all season. He's been dropping passes left and right. And then this week, all week, he has two injury designations. He has a knee and an elbow. He might not play. It's like borderline game time decision. I honestly thought he maybe wasn't going to play this morning. It's like Calvin Ridley going to. Going to give it a go. You're like, all right. He's been literally terrible the entire season. He's 131 yards today. Like, I just how are you supposed to. How are we supposed to do this? You know what I mean?

[Greg Korbeck]

That was the other one in a million play, along with the DeMarcado dropping.

[Danny Hy]

Right? Yeah. Calvin Ridley is like. Like top five in receiving yards this week. I don't know. I don't know how we're supposed to do it.

[Greg Korbeck]

I think we burned Henderson.

[Danny Hy]

This is the hardest job in the world.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I. I think that all the time. Us, the people fighting wildfires in the forest, and then this is, like, right there.

[Danny Hy]

No, the biggest fire is the burn book. That's the fire.

[Greg Korbeck]

Exactly. Got. Imagine putting this thing out. All right, thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for listening. Email us at ringer fantasy football gmail dot com. Email us. Trivia questions, emails, fantasy court cases. Email us. What are the things we asked for? I don't. I never remember them. In the middle of this episode, we.

[Danny Hy]

Asked who have retired and come back and been good.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, I don't actually want that. It's kind of boring if you already sent one over, but if anyone can figure out what the fuck is with Trayvon Henderson's nameplate, we gotta get to that. I want to know that. I want to know if anyone's like, a seamstress or.

[Danny Kelly]

Is there anyone else in the NFL that has that?

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, it's. If anyone has any examples of other sports with guys whose names had weird fonts or their jerseys were different than everyone else, let us. I know the packers have different choices than people, but that's not. This one player is a different jersey than anything I've ever seen. I want to know anything like that.

[Danny Kelly]

You know, when you go to the doctor, the eye doctor, and there's, like, five different lines of letters. Like, the top one's giant and very readable. Point is you can read them. Why is it shorter than Henry Point and. And Henderson's is, like, the very bottom one. Like, 2020 vision. 2010 vision.

[Greg Korbeck]

Same.

[Danny Kelly]

When the doctor's like, oh, wow, you can read that. Holy. Nice work.

[Greg Korbeck]

I can actually read that 20. I have 2020 or whatever.

[Danny Kelly]

I always love when you can read it. And they're, like, really impressed.

[Danny Hy]

It's like, oh, fuck, yeah, I'm. I'm still on. On my computer. I'm still on Ryan Flower Noise, Wikipedia and the high school he went to. I just feel like if you combine the name of this high school with his name, it's such, like, word soup. His high school is Homewood Flossmoor. So, like, I just.

[Danny Kelly]

Ryan Flower Noy of Homewood Flossmoor.

[Danny Hy]

Flower noise from Homewood Flossmoor.

[Greg Korbeck]

See, that needs a small font.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. I hope, like, I hope the Cowboys have another primetime game and Al Michaels has to say, flower noise from Homewood.

[Greg Korbeck]

I will say though I'm on their website Homeward. Flossmore has a hell of a website for home. Homewood Flossmore. The. The very well made website. There's like videos on here that like, play like. This is a well made website. My high school website didn't look anything like this.

[Danny Hy]

Home, Homewood Flossmore.

[Greg Korbeck]

Our story. Oh, you think we go to alumni? Like, oh, famous alumni. Do you think he's going to be on here?

[Danny Hy]

Better be.

[Greg Korbeck]

What year did he graduate?

[Danny Kelly]

Find him. Probably five years ago.

[Danny Hy]

Six years ago.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, no. I have to log in. That's all right. All right. Well, thank you, Lord.

[Danny Hy]

Lord.

[Danny Kelly]

Wow. Thank you, White Stripes.

[Danny Hy]

You like White Stripes or are you just kind of throwing them out?

[Danny Kelly]

I just threw them out there. Do you like listening to them recently? I like some of them. Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Jack White.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Icky thump.

[Danny Hy]

Icky thump.

[Danny Kelly]

Did you guys see my Mariners got a dub tonight.

[Greg Korbeck]

I did not watch it, but I'm happy you did. I didn't. I wish I could. Scubal what happened? So how did you beat Tariq Scuba?

[Danny Kelly]

Well, couple home runs, some good pitching and heroics from Julio Rodriguez and Big Dumper.

[Greg Korbeck]

Big Dumper?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Can I do some? Nobody in the world gives a shit, but I'm going to complain anyway that.

[Danny Hy]

The Yankees are down.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yankees fucking suck so much. And I hate them, okay? And they make me so sad.

[Danny Kelly]

And I mean, how many world championships do the Yankees.

[Danny Hy]

27, 28.

[Danny Kelly]

The Mariners haven't won a fucking playoff game.

[Greg Korbeck]

20 at home in 24.

[Danny Kelly]

24 years.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah. That was a long time time in Seattle.

[Danny Kelly]

How old were you 24 years ago? What, like seven? Six.

[Greg Korbeck]

I was actually wondering if you were gonna know.

[Danny Kelly]

Six.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes.

[Danny Kelly]

Sweet.

[Danny Hy]

Aren't the. Aren't the White Stripes. Isn't it Jack White and his wife? But then they divorce it, but they're still in the band.

[Danny Kelly]

And then there's like brother sister vibes. Their brother or sister?

[Danny Hy]

No, they were married and then they got divorced and they just kept the band together, I believe.

[Greg Korbeck]

But the band was. I thought it was just the two of them.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, but they were married.

[Danny Kelly]

It's like New Age Fleetwood Mac.

[Greg Korbeck]

Is it a band if it's two people? Yes, absolutely.

[Danny Kelly]

It's a duo.

[Greg Korbeck]

I know, but it sounds. It's Like a fake band, you know what I'm saying?

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, not a fake band, but.

[Greg Korbeck]

You know what I mean? Like, oh, I'm in a band and then there's one other person. You feel a little deceived, received.

[Danny Hy]

Paul Simon's like, I'm in a band. And you're like, are you Paul that.

[Greg Korbeck]

I, I know what two people is. Like Florida Georgia Line, I guess is a band. But if you're like, hey, come meet my band, there's one guy you'd be like, that's kind of, that's not really what I was envisioning. This is like the pasta salad thing.

[Danny Kelly]

Sure.

[Greg Korbeck]

Is pasta salad pasta. Yes. But DK's point is. But if you say I'm making you pasta, you're not fucking thinking about pasta salad. I think it's similar.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

But then when, when you're in a two person band and you like do a concert, you usually have other band members kind of playing in the background background with you.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, but are they in the band? Well, or they're just the band playing behind you.

[Danny Hy]

They're the band mates. Background. Are background musicians a part of the band?

[Greg Korbeck]

I don't know.

[Danny Hy]

I would say yes. I mean, they're touring with the band.

[Greg Korbeck]

With the E Street Band. Yeah. Like, they're, they're definitely right.

[Danny Hy]

Like if you have a name for the, the back, you know, the.

[Greg Korbeck]

Backstage. Email us about this too. In bands I was. The White Stripes are good. I'm, I'm going, I'm trying to go through rock. I'm sure. I feel like rock is my big blind spot with music. Because rock and roll, like modern rock. My parents are like older and I feel like I know the 60s and 70s and 80s, like so much more. Like with I, I realized 90s 2000s rocket, like is a giant blind spot for me.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah, I, I'm, I feel the same way, but I, I actually think like when I listen to it, I don't like it as much. Like, I actually think I gravitate towards old rock.

[Greg Korbeck]

So I, I, I picked up Jackie from the airport the other day and I just put on a Chili Peppers album.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Oh, I like Chili Peppers.

[Greg Korbeck]

I had. I like him too. I listen to them all the time. But I like, I've never actually just started this album and just played it all the way through.

[Danny Hy]

What did you. It was it Stadium Arcadium?

[Greg Korbeck]

The. No, that was 06. The one before that. 99. I can't remember the names.

[Danny Kelly]

The Blood Sugar Sex Magic.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yes. And I played the whole Thing start to finish. And I was like, you know, I see why the famous songs are famous. Dude, I'm gonna leave the other one. I see why. I don't. I see why I've never heard these before.

[Danny Hy]

Anthony Kiedis legitimately has. Looks younger than most. He's. I think Anthony Kiedis is, like, in his 60s, and he looks like he's 35 years old.

[Greg Korbeck]

Dude, he's. He's age. His. He's. He's an ageless, bizarre wonder. Oh, he also. His croon. I. When he's just like, ah. Actually, I'm not gonna do it to you guys, but you know when he.

[Danny Hy]

Kind of looks like Aaron Rodgers, I've.

[Greg Korbeck]

Always thought that that really Kiss looks like Rogers.

[Danny Hy]

He does. I think they'd be friends too.

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, yeah.

[Danny Hy]

You know what I mean?

[Greg Korbeck]

Him and Flea.

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah, he kind of does.

[Danny Hy]

Craig, doesn't he look like Rogers?

[Greg Korbeck]

No, he looks. Oh, my God. He looks like. He looks like Uncle Rico. He looks like Uncle Rico.

[Danny Hy]

Yeah. Like, this is Rogers. Rogers should be Kis for Halloween. Remember when he was John Wick that one time?

[Danny Kelly]

Yeah.

[Greg Korbeck]

Yeah, he does love the Halloween. Dicky never thinks the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[Danny Kelly]

I think I probably have.

[Danny Hy]

Thank you for not thanking Taylor Swift. We've had enough.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was the memes that were like, you know, the album's mid. Because people are like, the album's mid. And the Swifties. I haven't said anything.

[Danny Hy]

I. My favorite joke was that they said that she got sexually transmitted cte. Jesus.

[Danny Kelly]

Who's Craig Says they said whatever.

[Danny Hy]

You know, some faceless Twitter account.

[Greg Korbeck]

It was.

[Danny Hy]

I was really funny.

[Danny Kelly]

So wait, she had a new album come out this weekend.

[Danny Hy]

Stop. Yeah, stop.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I vaguely heard about it.

[Greg Korbeck]

It.

[Danny Kelly]

There was parties and stuff. What?

[Greg Korbeck]

Oh, so you did. Okay.

[Danny Hy]

Damn.

[Danny Kelly]

No, I. I knew that it was.

[Danny Hy]

Your algorithm must be airtight if you.

[Greg Korbeck]

Didn'T really know about this.

[Danny Hy]

That's remarkable.

[Greg Korbeck]

Honestly, I would love to get like, that's actually such an accomplishment where. Yeah. Your algorithm Taylor strip comes and goes.

[Danny Hy]

You lockbox if you don't. If you didn't see the Taylor.

[Greg Korbeck]

That's a good example of why we're in an interesting political moment. Moment is that DK doesn't even know what Taylor Swift like. It's like.

[Danny Kelly]

I mean, I put two and two together.

[Danny Hy]

No, I know, but like, I, I, I. It's inescapable. Like, I. I saw more. Even tonight, if I go on my phone, it's like more Taylor Swift than football. And it's a Sunday.

[Danny Kelly]

I heard I got the impression people didn't like it. Is that. Yeah. You're saying that people thought it was.

[Danny Hy]

I would say people were underwhelmed to put it.

[Danny Kelly]

There was one song I did hear that was like about stupping. Travis Kelsey is the name of the song. Yeah.

[Danny Hy]

Homewood Flossmoor is what the name of the song.

[Greg Korbeck]

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