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Week 6 Preview: Chiefs-Lions, the Bears' Fail Mary Rematch, Flacco’s In, Kyler’s Hurt, and the Rejuvenated Jaguars
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Danny Heifetz
This is a real good story about.
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Danny Kale
Bronx and his dad, Ryan. Real United Airlines customers.
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Craig Horlbeck
We were returning home, and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx if he wanted to see the flight deck and meet Kathryn.
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Danny Heifetz
Andrew. I got to sit in the driver's seat. I grew up in an aviation family, and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me.
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Craig Horlbeck
Of myself when I was that age. That's Andrew, a real United pilot.
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Danny Heifetz
These small interactions can shape a kid's future. It felt like I was the captain.
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Craig Horlbeck
Allowing my son to see the flight deck will stick with us forever.
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Danny Heifetz
That's how good leads the way.
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Craig Horlbeck
This episode is brought to you by Velveeta. Game day is all about the tailgate spread. First things first. Who's bringing the Velveeta drip? Just like your favorite players on the field, Velveeta fans go all in on what they love. Creamy shells and cheese, melty Velveeta blocks, and cheesy jarred quesos. They're taking down one taste bud at a time. Velveeta is the real MVP of the tailgate. You've got to respect the drip. Do yourself a favor and stock up on Velveeta before kickoff. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Heifetz, and I'm joined by Danny Kale and Craig Horlbeck, and we are going to preview week six of the NFL season. So we're about to be one third of the way through the NFL calendar, which doesn't really hit the same way as saying a quarter or a half, but it's true one third of the way, which is already really weird. We're gonna go through all the games for week six. First shameless plug. Please subscribe to our channel on YouTube. DK pop quiz. Do you even know what our handle is on YouTube?
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Danny Heifetz
Ringer FFS.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yes. Wow. Okay. I thought I was gonna get you@ringer FFS.
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Danny Heifetz
So, yeah, just ring your fantasy football show. That's what it's short for.
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Craig Horlbeck
By the I am impressed. Ringer Fantasy football show on YouTube. Please go subscribe. Also, follow us on Instagram and TikTok. And then, yeah, our rankings are at Fantasy Football the ringer.com and while we're doing Shameless plugs, Craig is here recording with us. And you just did an episode at the Town with Matthew Bell, which is the show you produce. And you just said you had Ari Emanuel on the town this week.
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Danny Kale
Yes, Ari Emanuel and Mark Shapiro. Ari is the founder of wme. He's now the his title. He has like nine titles.
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Craig Horlbeck
He, like doesn't matter. He's the real life inspiration for Ari golden. Entourage.
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Danny Kale
Yes. Number one and number two at the. @ the most powerful agency in the world, which I guess is up for debate with C. Yeah. But it's one of the best, most kind of entertaining episodes we've ever done. It came out on Thursday, October 9th, so whenever you're listening to this, I go listen to it on the town. It was great.
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Craig Horlbeck
That's crazy. Okay, so we're gonna go through all the games. Check that episode out too. We're going to go through, starting with the game of the year. Of the week.
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Danny Kale
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
Sunday Night Football. Usually Sunday football toward the end of this episode. But I think this is so clearly the best game. The Lions are at Kansas City this week. This is awesome. This is. These are. I feel like we get Chiefs Bills every year, sometimes twice a year. Lions. Chiefs is also just an amazing game that we don't get as much. It was week one a couple seasons ago, but Lions, Chiefs is just like, this is. I feel like we're being spoiled with this as an entrance tonight at football. Compared to like Falcons, Vikings a few weeks ago, like, this is actually pretty epic.
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Danny Kale
I know. It's funny how good it can be and how bad it can be in the NFL. Like, it's. You can just pair the right teams together and every Sunday night can be entertaining. Yeah, this is an awesome game. Dare I say a must win to use a Bill Simmons ism for the Chiefs. Chiefs are 2 and 3. Lions are 4 and 1. I'm more interested in the Chiefs in this to talk about. I think. I think the Lions are good. And I think we know that the loss of the seven coaches has, at least for now, not made a big enough impact to make a huge difference in the team. Like, the offense is still great. They're second in points per drive this year. So, like, the Lions are doing great. But I think what's more interesting is that I. I don't know what it is, but I think the narrative on. I guess it's because they're 2 and 3. But I feel like, you know, people think this is a down year for the Chiefs, and I actually think they're slightly underrated. I don't know how you guys feel, but like, like I said, the Lions were second in points per drive this year. The Chiefs are fifth. And I'm kind of like, honestly, they've just been losing close games and it's the opposite of what happened last year when they were. They went like 14 and one in close games or whatever. It was like they're just losing close games this year. But I don't know. I'll ask you, dk, do you think watching the Chiefs this year has actually felt a little different than the past two years? Which is weird because the Chiefs made the super bowl the last two years and the offense was kind of anemic. I actually feel like they're moving the ball better this year.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, I would say that's definitely been the case the last couple of weeks. Maybe they started out kind of sluggish to start the season, but then ever since, I don't know, the last couple of weeks, it does, it does feel like they're moving the ball a little bit better. I do think Xavier Worthy matters for them and like helps them, gives them some team speed. Because that. That was like the main concern I had early on in the season is they just don't have very much team speed. It's. This is just a slow offense. The running backs are all slow. They're starting to incorporate Rashad Smith into their offense a little bit. He looks a little bit of a dynamic, you know, out of the backfield, pass catching type threat. Like I said, Xavier Worthy gives them that stretch the field both vertically and horizontally. They're using him on like jet sweeps and things like that. I think they're going to be even better once Rasheed Rice gets back, obviously.
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Danny Kale
Which is next week.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah. And then the other thing I think that's like a big factor this year is Mahomes is running and he's been much more decisive as a runner. I guess like last year it felt like he would try to run around behind the line of scrimmage for like 10 seconds and then make a throw. And now he's just more like I'm going to take off and go. He's trucked a few guys this year, so. So I think all those things together. I agree. The feel just like the gut feel is this offense is working more smoothly and like just better than it had early on in the season. Last year.
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Danny Kale
I wanted, I want to hit on a couple stats that back up what you're saying. Starting with his, his legs. He's third in rushing this year for quarterbacks, which is pretty impressive.
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Danny Heifetz
Interesting.
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Danny Kale
He's basically averaging around 40 rushing yards a game, which is only.
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Danny Heifetz
Which is a lot. That's a lot.
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Danny Kale
Three yards less than Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels. I mean it's more than 40 of.
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Danny Heifetz
Game over a season is a fuck done to do the math on that.
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Danny Kale
I mean that he's gonn around like 600 rushing yards.
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Danny Heifetz
680. Yeah.
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Danny Kale
I mean he's fourth in fantasy points per game that come from rushing amongst quarterbacks which is. It's basically feels like it used to be Mahomes would go through four progressions and then run and now it feels like he goes through two and then totally. And I. I just think he's playing really well. Also in fantasy Mahomes has been terrible for a while and like I mean like Outside the top 12 Mahomes is a QB3 this year. He's averaging over 23 fantasy points a game.
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Danny Heifetz
He.
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Danny Kale
He's having his best year since 2022 from a fantasy perspective. And then also you mentioned like Xavier Worthy and like them needing speed. They kind of have speed now. It's like I don't know how good any of these but it's like Worthy, Hollywood Brown and Taqu.
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Craig Horlbeck
Taquan Thornton's a four two eight.
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Danny Kale
They're all sub four three guys. Yeah, well they have.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's the feet in the freezer, head in the oven where the Chiefs have average speed because they only employ the fastest people in the league like Taekwond. Thornton and Worthy were the fastest people in combine history. And then Cream Hunt who's probably the slowest running back. Kelsey's probably the slowest tight end and Juju's probably the slowest receiver. It's the weirdest mix talent.
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Danny Heifetz
Right?
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Danny Kale
Yeah. And you can see where Homes throwing, he's throwing deep now.
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Danny Heifetz
His.
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Danny Kale
His air yards per attempt is the highest since 2019 this year.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, I was going to say that they the Chiefs needed a. I don't know if reliable is the right word but like a reliable deep threat because like over the years, I mean Marquis Brown not reliable. Xavier Worthy last year, certainly not reliable. He had trouble tracking the ball. He's not very strong at the catch point. But I think Thornton has given them that element. He's a role player. He's not like a star. He's not super dynamic after the catch or anything like that. But he can stretch the defense and get over the top of the defense. And so I think playing that role for them for a hint for Mahomes has been pretty important. Honestly.
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Craig Horlbeck
It'll be interesting because this is the last game the Chiefs are going to play without Rasheed Rice. His suspension is going to end after this week and so it will be interesting to see. It's funny how the Chiefs are kind of also like your fantasy team where you're like oh If I could just be 4 and 2 with Rasheed Rice coming back, that'd be great. And the Chiefs. Chiefs kind of blew it with Monday Night Football where the Chiefs probably should have won that game and they really should be 3 and 2 trying to be 4 and 2 ending this week and instead they're 2 and 3 trying to avoid 2 and 4. But yeah, I mean, I, I agree. I, I think Thornton has been an unlock but also it. This will be an interesting game because we'll see really if the Chiefs are able to take advantage. It'll actually look like a real offense again because obviously they destroyed the Ravens, but the Ravens defense has been obliterated. The Lions obviously are going to put up points on offense. The, the Lions defense though is getting decimated again. Where the cornerbacks, they're already basically down their top four cornerbacks from August. And I'll be intrigued to see if the Chiefs can actually take advantage of that because everything we're saying, like they probably should be able to take advantage of that. I mean you're down to like Avante Maddox and Amic Robertson and. And Rocky Sin at cornerback and so. And also the other interesting part of this game though is on offense. I, I'm very curious to see how Spagnolo attacks the lines offense because Taylor Decker, the left tackle is. I don't know if he's going to play again. I. I feel like we don't know for sure. It's Thursday afternoon recording this. I don't know if Taylor Decker is going to play. I kind of think he won't but even if he does, it's a shoulder injuries banged up. But again, if they have Gio Manu who was a fourth round out of British Columbia that the Lions drafted last year, he was a massive reach. It's a fourth round. He's a developmental guy that was just playing on what is perceived. Is he or is he or is he. He's like huge. He's like six, seven, three fifties, a giant person.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
But yeah, this will be a really, really, really cool game.
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Danny Kale
So yeah, for fantasy I will say that like you said, because the Lions defense is a little beat up. I do think you know, let's say you have Jordan Addison or Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins. These guys are who are on by. I do think Taekwond Thornton is like playable this week and I would, I would even say like maybe a Hollywood Brown that will change when Rashid Rice comes back. But I think like if you're kind of on the fringe there deciding who, who to Play as your third or fourth wide receiver. I do think those guys are viable.
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Craig Horlbeck
The simplest thing to me, the difference between this cast of characters at the Chiefs receiver spots and past ones is Mahomes couldn't connect with them off schedule. I know he's beat up on Kadarius Tony, but I'm like Kaderius. Tony could not just get to where Mahomes wanted him. Taekwond Thornton has done a good job of that. Better than even Valdez Scantling was doing. So.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. Okay. London game of the year of the week.
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Danny Kale
London.
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Craig Horlbeck
Oh, London, London.
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Danny Kale
I gotta another London this week is, is a doozy. We go, we got a London game and then we got two Monday night games.
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Craig Horlbeck
How do you guys feel about the two Monday night football games?
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Danny Kale
Despise it. Loath it. I think it's important.
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Craig Horlbeck
I don't like it either. I like having one game on Mondays. I don't like that's the point of.
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Danny Heifetz
Having these standalone games is that they stand alone.
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Craig Horlbeck
That's, you know, TK Is that what.
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Danny Heifetz
You put it that way?
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Craig Horlbeck
Is that what they call sometimes?
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Danny Kale
It really is that simple.
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Craig Horlbeck
That's crazy. Yeah. So the actual time, so. And well, they're doing this two weeks in a row. So this week the Monday Night Football stuff is Bills, Falcons is at 7 Eastern, as you guys call it 4 Pacific and then 8 15. So they're an hour an hour apart. But the next week they're doing the staggered thing again where there's going to be a game at 7 Eastern. Bucks Lions and also this is next week now bucks Lions at 7 Eastern. Texan Seahawks is at 10 o' clock Eastern.
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Danny Kale
We got to get Goodell on the show. I have questions.
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Craig Horlbeck
I don't.
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Danny Heifetz
We've reached, we've reached the saturation point. We need to dial it back.
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Danny Kale
What we should. When we saw Goodell on the field in Ireland, I should have asked him again.
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Craig Horlbeck
This again. The first time they did this I think was Raiders 9, Raiders Cardinals. It was the Raiders, Rams. Raiders, Rams. I think this is Texas Seahawks, Texans is 9 Central. So if you are a child trying to watch the Houston Texans in Houston, which I think is the fourth largest city in America, the game starts at 9 o' clock on a school night. That's crazy.
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Danny Heifetz
It's crazy. Brutal. People have families.
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Craig Horlbeck
I don't think of the families. I, I, yeah, I don't understand why you're starting a game at 9 o' clock on a school night.
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Danny Kale
You nailed that. Houston is the fourth largest city in America. Good job.
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Craig Horlbeck
Oh, thank you.
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Danny Heifetz
Wow.
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Craig Horlbeck
There you go.
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Danny Kale
Random.
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Danny Heifetz
What's. What are the first three?
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Craig Horlbeck
New York, I think New York, la, Chicago, but yeah, Chicago. There you go. Okay. Anyway, so with that, yeah, a lot of weird scheduling coming up, but. So the London game this week is the Broncos, who are three and two or quote unquote, at the New York Jets. It's in London. Jets are own five.
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Danny Heifetz
I.
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Craig Horlbeck
There's a lot to say about the Broncos, but honestly, I keep thinking about the jets in this game. The jets are returning to London after the debacle last year where the Vikings kicked the crap out of the jets and Woody Johnson, the owner of the jets, who was the ambassador to. Great to the ambassador to England for Donald Trump. And so Woody Johnson got embarrassed in front of all his posh, rich, English, fancy friends and then fired Robert Sala, even though the defense had given up, like, no points. And it's been terrible ever since Salah left. And a year later, the jets go back to England and it is so much worse than it was then. The jets are 0 and 5. Fields is in fantasy great, but in real life, kind of a mess. The jets offense is horrific. The defense doesn't have a turnover through five games, which has never happened since. Turnovers have been tracked since 1933. That's kind of random, but I kind of.
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Danny Heifetz
That's really random. That's wild.
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Craig Horlbeck
I. I don't think that's necessarily a skill issue, but it kind of sucks when you're defensive coach. Where do you guys think people are with the jets offense? Because jets fans are horrific. And I feel like the public perception is the jets are fine. And in my head I'm like, this is disgusting.
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Danny Kale
Is the public perception that the jets are fine? They're the only without a win?
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Craig Horlbeck
I guess. No, it's true.
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Danny Heifetz
Last time the public perception was positive.
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Craig Horlbeck
No, not public, I guess.
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Danny Heifetz
Or are you saying neutral?
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Craig Horlbeck
I guess what I'm saying is I just feel like the jets offense, when you look at the stats, I can't stress enough how much it's been garbage time. And I just wanted to roll through the jets offense. If you cut out week one with the Steelers and everything the last month, if you just break it into two parts. The first three quarters where they rank and the fourth quarter where they rank, they have been down 14 points entering every single fourth quarter, between 14 and 24 points every game of the last four weeks. And if you just look at them.
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Danny Heifetz
Credit for getting some. Some garbage time points.
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Craig Horlbeck
No, they're literally. I couldn't believe how Black and white. It is the last month. The first three quarters, the jets are dead last in points, and then the fourth quarter, they rank first in points. They're last in touchdowns in the first three quarters and then first in touchdowns for the fourth quarter. They're last in first downs per game for the first three quarters and then first for the first quarter. EPA per play, their last in the first three quarters and then first in the fourth quarter. Like, it is entirely garbage time. Which again, then you will. Who did they play the last two weeks? They were down 14. They scored three points in the first half against Dallas and Miami. Those are the worst two defenses by DVOA this season. So they have the worst defenses. They cannot move the ball. Now they play Denver. And I, this line is 7 points. And I'm like, I think this is kind of going to be a bloodbath.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, yeah. I, I, the offense. I totally agree with everything you're saying. Basically, I never really expected this offense to work that well. That was why week one was so surprising, is like, whoa, maybe they can actually, like, move the football and pass.
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Danny Kale
Well, they, they can run the ball. Like, they can run the ball, even not in garbage time. They have been able to run the ball very effectively. I think I remember seeing it, like, in the first half. So theoretically, not garbage time. They're like, first in explosive runs. Like, they are able to run the ball.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah. And I think that's what I expected is like, this is going to be a good run team. They're going to try and do like a, a version of the Eagles where their quarterback is like, mobile and they can run and blah, blah, blah, and then they build the passing game off of that. But, like, you know, they've been very bad on offense, but I think the surprising thing to me is their defense is horrible. 28th and DVOA this year, which is. And they've spent a lot of draft capital on stars in the back end. I mean, if you look down their roster, Will McDonald, first rounder, Gwyneth Williams, first rounder, Jermaine Johnson, first rounder, Sauce Gardner, first rounder. They have, like, a lot of resources poured into this defense, and it's bad. It's really bad.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, those stats, I don't know if they're built to measure a team that has no turnovers in five weeks. So that is bringing him down. But yeah. And then, look, I still think to Craig's point, you can play Breeze hall because they've been running. I'm a little worried. I mean, you can Play Breeze, Hall, Garrett Wilson, but even Fields. I mean, the Broncos limited Daniel Jones to, like, six rushing yards.
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Danny Kale
The Broncos are definitely starting to coalesce. I think as a team here. It started out a little shaky, but the Broncos and the. And the Chargers are kind of going in opposite directions in the AFC West. Are there any fringe fantasy guys in this game that you are leaning towards or away from? Guys like Harvey, Troy, Franklin, Mason Taylor?
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Craig Horlbeck
The short answer is I. I like. If you have Mason Taylor on your team, I would be like, you maybe have to play him.
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Danny Heifetz
But, I mean, yeah, tight end is just. There's not a lot of options.
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Craig Horlbeck
So I think overall, this could be a Navy. I don't know if the Jets. Look, maybe the jets win this game. And it's funny, but I kind of like. I don't know if fields gets to 100 passing yards in this game, to be honest, like that. That is kind of where I'm at. And if he does, it's the. You're literally. I guess what I'm trying to say is Garrett Wilson, Mason Taylor, all this production is banking on. The jets are down so much that the defense can, like, give up in the fourth quarter, which is like a crazy way to try to get all your fantasy points. And it's tough because Breeze, Garrett Wilson, you gotta. Gotta play these guys. I'd rather play the Broncos.
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Danny Heifetz
Would you play R.J. harvey or Franklin, like you mentioned?
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Danny Kale
I think.
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Danny Heifetz
No.
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Danny Kale
No, I'm not.
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Danny Heifetz
You gotta wait.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah.
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Danny Kale
Field zone 5. With this jets team, I kind of makes Tomlin. Tomlin in the Steeler situation last year not look that bad. 4 and 2 with fields to start the season. Just saying.
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Danny Heifetz
And Wilson, they beat the Bronx last year.
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Danny Kale
With Fields.
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Craig Horlbeck
Maybe the jets will too. All right, early games. Seahawks. Dk. Your Seahawks are playing on the East Coast.
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Danny Heifetz
This is a good game.
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Craig Horlbeck
Seahawks are at the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are four and one, by the way. I can't get over the. I know.
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Danny Kale
I haven't quite adjusted to the fact that when the Jaguars are in a game, that means it's good.
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Danny Heifetz
I know. Me too.
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Craig Horlbeck
I know.
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Danny Heifetz
Still on that. I'm still in that mindset. It's kind of bizarre. I also wanted to point out. I don't know if I said this in the past, but we were talking about The Seahawks playing 10, 10am Obviously their time, 10am Games on the East Coast. And I said in the past that they've not been very good. I was dead wrong on that. I guess I just had missed that. They're actually very good. In early road games, it's because you.
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Craig Horlbeck
Were sleeping, you didn't see any games.
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Danny Heifetz
Also, they're just very weirdly good on the road lately. They're. They've won eight games on the road, I believe in a row, which is most in the NFL. So yeah, they're. They're strangely even though like early on in the peak Carol era, I think that was like an issue. They can't play at 10am games. They did all this stuff to like change their travel schedule and figure out like how they can get like amped up earlier because they're on their body clock is like ten o'clock in the morning. It's like a little different. So anyway, but the bottom line is the Seahawks have been a lot better at in early east coast games. There was a surprising stat actually from ftn. Aaron Shots wrote this this week that the Seahawks are the second best 3 and 2 team ever are in their database. So this is clearly like a good team. The Seahawks are obviously they lost.
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Craig Horlbeck
Doesn't the database go back like 60 years?
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Danny Heifetz
Goes back to like the 80s. So the. But again, that's kind of a specific stat. The best, second best three and two team, obviously that's not like, you know.
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Craig Horlbeck
But there's still been a lot of three. But there's been a lot of three and two teams, I guess. Yeah, I guess it's the same way the Jaguars gets to adjust. If Mahomes has been playing like Darnold has played so far, we'd be freaking out. But it's Darnold. So we're kind of like tempering our.
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Danny Heifetz
So yeah, the CX are second in the NFL and DVOA for so to give you more context like so this is a good team. They've lost the last second games to the 49ers and the Bucks. Otherwise they've been pretty solid on in all three phases, offense, defense and special teams. They are very beat up right now. Devin Witherspoon, there's star corner up in the air. He didn't practice on Wednesday. It's not looking great. Julian Love is hurt. Derek hall, their pass rushers hurt. Ernest Jones, their linebacker, DeMarcus Lawrence, very good edge rusher for them who is like a elite run defender. So that hurts them.
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Craig Horlbeck
Even Nick Warri, the safety who probably is going to play but he has an ankle injury. His whole thing is being the craziest athlete on the field. So ankle injury.
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Danny Heifetz
So the Seahawks. Yeah, the Seahawks off or Seahawks defense is completely beat up right now. It's. It's it's very concerning, but offensively, like I've said the last couple of weeks, our offense has been incredible. I can't believe how good their offense is. I was very skeptical about them making this change going to Darnold, switching to Clint Kubiak, who, you know, was largely unproven. You know, the Seahawks are first in success rate this year, third in yards per play, eighth in third down conversion rate, which has always been a huge bugaboo for them. They just suck in third downs. So they've been really solid across the board. Darnold's been one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. In fact, he has. He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, which is first in the NFL.
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Danny Kale
DK, what's your read on the running back situation in Seattle?
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Danny Heifetz
I think it's, it's a, it's just a pure committee at this point, which is obviously unfortunate for people who drafted Kenneth Walker. Kenneth Walker, to me is clearly the more explosive running back and offers more big play potential, but they trust Charbonnet in the red zone and in the two minute drill. So Charbonnet, both of these guys are essentially startable, but they just have lower floors. Both of them have lower floors because, you know, Kenneth Walker is just not getting as many red zone looks, goal line looks. Charbonne is one of those guys where it's like he's a flex play slash RB2. Like, I have him on one team and I play him every week just because they always give him the ball in the red zone. But it's, it is very much like touchdown or bus for him.
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Danny Kale
I think for Jacksonville, for Fantasy. I think you're, you know, Lawrence and, and, you know, you're starting Brian Thomas. You're holding that hope for Brian Thomas. ETN's been good for Travis Hunter. I. I can't remember. I don't think we talked about him on Wednesday with our power hour of like, the guys you're considering benching are cutting.
- [21:22]
Danny Heifetz
Did we? He was.
- [21:23]
Danny Kale
He was.
- [21:23]
Danny Heifetz
No.
- [21:23]
Danny Kale
Maybe we thought about him. Yeah, he would have been an honorable mention because he's definitely a guy you're not starting. He hasn't done a whole lot. I think he's starting to pop a little bit. Like, he's definitely a guy who I would say, like, you shouldn't cut in, in my opinion.
- [21:35]
Danny Heifetz
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [21:36]
Danny Kale
He's so. He so clearly passes the eye test as a wide receiver when they throw him the ball and that I'm like, I can see a scenario in which the second Half of the season, he kind of takes off. I thought it was interesting on Monday night what Aikman was saying about how he didn't practice with the offense in college at all. He would just, like, go play wide receiver, which I don't know if I knew that he wasn't doing that at all.
- [21:56]
Danny Heifetz
I guess that's what. Yeah, that's what Liam Cohen told them in the production.
- [21:59]
Danny Kale
Yeah. That he just straight up only prepared with the defense and then just kind of winged it on offense. And so to me, that makes me think that, like, I'm. I'm going to extend the leash much longer now about, like, what he's doing on offense as he continues to learn, like, an NFL scheme and stuff like that. And I just think he looks really good. I mean, he looks like one of those unique talents. Like, I remember when Garrett Wilson came in the league, and you're like, this guy moves different. I think Travis Hunter's, like, in that camp.
- [22:26]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [22:27]
Danny Kale
So I'm not saying you start him this week, but I'm. I'm definitely saying don't cut him if.
- [22:31]
Danny Heifetz
You'Re ramping him up. And then the other issue or the other really important variable here is they're starting to throw the ball down the field to him. Remember early on in the year when we were kind of like, doing this bit where he was, like, expensive Wandell Robinson? His last two games, the air yards for target are above 10. It's like 11 last two weeks ago, and then 16 this last week. Obviously, that's low sample size because he's not getting a ton of targets, but at the very least, they're throwing the ball down the field, which is where his talent, I think, can really shine through. He's dangerous down the field. He moves different. Like, he said, he can go up. He had an incredible catch over two defenders in this last game. So it's the hope is they start to utilize him more as, like, instead of just like, throwing in these stupid little bubble screens three times a game, like, get him downfield and actually do stuff.
- [23:15]
Danny Kale
And Bren Strange, their tight end, hurt his hip. He's out for a month. He's on ir. So it's like the options in Jacksonville from the passing perspective are actually quite thin now. It's like whatever the hell the current, you know, version of Brian Thomas and then Travis Hunter, and that's kind of it.
- [23:29]
Danny Heifetz
So you guys, like, in this game.
- [23:33]
Craig Horlbeck
I mean, it's hard to pick because I want to see how many Seahawks are these injured defenders play. I mean, Ernest Jones, kind of like Roquan Smith in Baltimore. The Mike McDonald system is so dependent on inside linebacker being competent that I. I mean, when both safety is two cornerbacks, that everyone's hurt. But it's tough. But even then, I'm like, even just Ernest Jones would make a difference to me. Also, Jags did trade Tyson Campbell, the cornerback to the Browns for a different cornerback, Greg Newsom, which I wanted to just note.
- [23:59]
Danny Kale
It's an interesting cornerback swap.
- [24:00]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. Just logs going back and forth.
- [24:03]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [24:03]
Craig Horlbeck
To Craig's point, though, I think the Travis Hunter thing is just worth noting. One of the harder things in fantasy is that in theory, before the season, you're like, oh, rookie receivers just hold them. But then when they suck, you want to get rid of them.
- [24:14]
Danny Heifetz
Sure.
- [24:14]
Danny Kale
And Travis Hunter start popping up. It's hard.
- [24:17]
Craig Horlbeck
Bye weeks, injuries, and you're like, Travis Hunter, Matthew golden, like a worthy Rashee Rice a couple of years ago. Guys that do nothing for three months and that are just the game changers for the final six weeks. And Travis Hunter is still a rookie receiver. So, you know, hard.
- [24:30]
Danny Kale
I agree with. I agree with this, but it's annoying when a player is suspended in fantasy. You can't put them on ir, but like in your IR slot, which is right and makes sense. But it is annoying that you just have to, like, Rashid Rice just eats up a bench spot for six weeks.
- [24:44]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, no, it's annoying. It's kind of.
- [24:47]
Danny Kale
Yeah, it's like, I get it. He's being punished. And so you drafting him should also be punished.
- [24:51]
Craig Horlbeck
Probably annoying to wait in traffic until they cleaned up that like 12 car accident. It was probably also annoying.
- [24:57]
Danny Heifetz
I'm in favor of allowing suspended players to be on the ir, by the way.
- [25:01]
Danny Kale
Oh, you are?
- [25:02]
Craig Horlbeck
Why?
- [25:03]
Danny Heifetz
Because.
- [25:03]
Danny Kale
Because it's annoying.
- [25:07]
Craig Horlbeck
It's almost like being injured and committing crimes or different things.
- [25:09]
Danny Heifetz
But whatever.
- [25:12]
Craig Horlbeck
Dick it just desperately wishes he could have stuck to Sean Watson and IR for his old fantasy. Just too bad. Okay. Los Angeles Chargers at the Miami Dolphins this week. This is the Tua Herbert Sad.
- [25:25]
Danny Heifetz
This is the sad sack matchup.
- [25:26]
Danny Kale
I know.
- [25:27]
Danny Heifetz
Jesus Christ. These two teams are set.
- [25:29]
Craig Horlbeck
Well, the Chargers are three and two. The Dolphins are one and four. They're on different.
- [25:32]
Danny Kale
Well, the Chargers. Chargers are a sad.
- [25:33]
Danny Heifetz
They feel like they're owing 5 right now. I mean, they're.
- [25:36]
Danny Kale
The poor Chargers are so cursed. I do think, though, if there's any team that can kind of relight the spark, it's the Miami defense for the Chargers, like, hopefully this is. This is the week where Things can kind of get back on track. Miami's defense, I won't even get into, like, they're just basically bottom three in every category. They can kind of rush the passer, but outside of that, like, they're getting torched, dude.
- [25:57]
Craig Horlbeck
Rico dowdle ran for 206 yards and said, I would have had more if I didn't start cramping.
- [26:02]
Danny Kale
Yeah. And like Woody Marks and Nick Chubb had like almost 200 yards combined against the Dolphins. So, you know, I, I think the, the biggest questions in this game also in terms of the quarterback play against Miami, every quarterback they have faced outside of Bryce Young has been a top five weekly scorer and it's been Daniel Jones, Drake May, Justin Fields and Josh Allen have all, have all been top five against Miami. I don't know. The big question is like, it's the running back, the running backs for the Chargers, right? It's like Hassan Haskins, Kamani Vidal. I, I added Hassan Haskins in one of my leagues and I'm, I'm debating starting him over travy on Henderson. I know nobody cares about my fantasy.
- [26:39]
Craig Horlbeck
League, but no, no, everyone's on the edge of their seat. What do you mean?
- [26:42]
Danny Kale
I will say that. Like, I, I bet you that is a very universal, a very common dilemma is like, do I, I added Hassan Haskins or do I start him over this, like, fringe other running back who's been a little disappointing? And so dk, how do you feel about, you know, what Rico Dowell did, what the Texans running backs have done against Miami, Hassan Haskins, Vidal. We don't really know what the split's going to be. It kind of seems like it's going to be Haskins is the thunder and Vidal is the, is the lightning.
- [27:08]
Danny Heifetz
Right.
- [27:08]
Danny Kale
And it's like, I don't know, do you trust? Is this like a stay away, wait and see? Are you willing to take a gamble?
- [27:14]
Danny Heifetz
I see. It's ironic because we have these two guys ranked, ranked right next to each other. I see Haskins in like the Charbonnet mold or, or like category of running back where I don't really trust him to like rack up big stats. He's probably not going to get a shitload of carries. This is still a pass for his team. I think both Kamani Vidal and Haskins will be. They're like fringe flex type players. And I think the reason I like Haskins a little bit more is because I trust this offense to move the football. I trust especially against this defense. Like you were saying, Craig, and then just, you know, just his opportunities at the goal line. I think he's going to be their goal line back probably. And so you know him, his ability to run forward and slam into the offensive line and hopefully get a touchdown in this game is like kind of where I'm banking on him scoring points. And so that's kind of how I feel about him.
- [28:01]
Craig Horlbeck
The flip side is especially if you play in full PPR, like full point per reception. I mean O' Marion Hampton before he got hurt the last two weeks had 11 catches.
- [28:10]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah. And I know Vidal is going to.
- [28:12]
Craig Horlbeck
Come in or Vidal Videl, Kymani Vidal. And again, maybe I'm wrong, but I pretty sure his name's Kamani Vidal. People yell enough people who went to his college yelled at me that I think it's Kimani Vidal. So.
- [28:22]
Danny Heifetz
Well, I saw the, the coach speak index guy said he posted an interview where that's like where how he was pronouncing his name.
- [28:29]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. So Commodity Vidal. There we go.
- [28:30]
Danny Heifetz
But it just doesn't make any sense to me. But yeah, that's fine.
- [28:33]
Craig Horlbeck
You should tell him that.
- [28:33]
Danny Heifetz
I know.
- [28:34]
Craig Horlbeck
Let's call the Chargers.
- [28:35]
Danny Heifetz
Buddy, your name doesn't make any sense.
- [28:36]
Danny Kale
Sorry. It's like hey, we want suspended players on IR and we want Vidal to be pronounced how we want pronounce.
- [28:43]
Danny Heifetz
Bad opinion, man.
- [28:44]
Craig Horlbeck
But I, but I do think Kamani Vidal is play if you full point per reception if you want half. I'm like, I know obviously Hampton had all those catches in park as the Chargers were losing to both, you know, the Giants and Washington. But I'm like, I think he's going to get like the floor is kind of there for pass catching work for Kamani. And I agree, like Askins, I think, I don't know if Kamani Vidal and Haskins will be like super awesome running backs or fantasy over the next six weeks, but this game they're totally playable because of the way the Dolphins have been. So I, I, I think you could totally play Haskins and Vidal and have low expectations and your low expectations will be surpassed for double digit points. Like 12 points is totally in range.
- [29:19]
Danny Kale
And so let's just say theoretically you have to decide between Hasan, Haskins and Trevio and Henderson. Like hypothetically, where are you leaning there? Just for people who have similar dilemmas.
- [29:28]
Craig Horlbeck
I think the tiebreaker, to be totally honest with you, is they'll probably play similar amounts because Ramondri is not going to get benched for the Patriots. And the difference is the Dolphins just gave up 206 yards to Rico Dowdle and do that. Do the Chargers team playing the shitty Miami defense. I really don't.
- [29:45]
Danny Heifetz
How is the, the Dolphins defense this bad?
- [29:48]
Craig Horlbeck
I actually don't know. I actually don't know.
- [29:50]
Danny Heifetz
Like, they have some dudes on the, on, on that, like, especially on the line. Yeah, I'm just like, I don't understand how they're so bad.
- [29:56]
Danny Kale
Well, they've actually, yeah, they've been able to like bring pressure a little bit, but outside of that, it's been a mess.
- [30:01]
Danny Heifetz
Pressure.
- [30:02]
Danny Kale
Secondary is horrible.
- [30:03]
Craig Horlbeck
Pressure, pressure. I, I, yeah, it's, it's bad for Miami. It's really bad. But yeah. So I think you can play those guys if you need for the Dolphins.
- [30:13]
Danny Heifetz
Waddle to a or not Waddle. Not to a Waddle. HN and Waller, are you playing?
- [30:18]
Craig Horlbeck
I think could be a top. I think HN is going to be every week he plays. Going forward, he will be a top five running back. He's a receiver now.
- [30:24]
Danny Kale
I feel like he's already been. He's basically Minnie McCaffrey.
- [30:26]
Craig Horlbeck
He. Yes, HN hasn't exploded yet, but if you could try to trade for HN and just pay. Go the going rate and you will not be disappointed if anyone was a Chan. You're. It's the hardest thing ever just to get a great running back from someone, but you can pay what someone wants and it's probably not enough.
- [30:43]
Danny Kale
Waddle has three touchdowns this year already, which is more than he had all of last year.
- [30:47]
Danny Heifetz
That's really. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, he's looked pretty good, honestly. He's looked good. Right, Craig? Like, even, even the strongest haters could admit that.
- [30:55]
Danny Kale
I never thought Waddle was bad. I was just upset with the Dolphins.
- [30:59]
Craig Horlbeck
Offense that he was this. They traded up to get him from the sixth pick in the draft. Good can still be disappointing.
- [31:04]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah, that's fair.
- [31:05]
Craig Horlbeck
He was the sixth pick in the draft.
- [31:07]
Danny Kale
I just can't. It's like, I feel like if Jalen Waddle was on the Chiefs, he'd be incredible and we'd be like, oh, my God, this is like one of the better receivers in the league. So I, I don't, I was just. It's more, it was more the noodle arm and having to field catches like punts, that bothered me.
- [31:22]
Craig Horlbeck
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Danny Kale
He's averaging 38 a game and I I just interesting.
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- [35:04]
Danny Heifetz
This this line whatever it is right now is about to change because Kyler is not practicing for the second straight day. I this is to me I like this one for for our ringer 1071 just the Colts are obviously a wagon as Craig likes to say and they're looking really strong on both sides of the football. And the Cards, man, they're going through it right now obviously. This collapse they had last week against the Titans where they were they could have been up 28 to what was it, 20 to 6?
- [35:30]
Craig Horlbeck
28 to 6 it would have been.
- [35:31]
Danny Heifetz
And they dry and DiMarcado dropped the football right before he crossed the line.
- [35:35]
Danny Kale
I think it's the most unlucky loss of the decade maybe ever.
- [35:38]
Craig Horlbeck
One of the the ball hit like yeah Kyler Murray in the face and then he left the game. Which to be clear it's a foot injury he's dealing with. But it looked like he was getting a concussion check.
- [35:49]
Danny Heifetz
But he left after that play, right? Yes. So like was it had the way he stepped back or something.
- [35:55]
Danny Kale
He didn't even drive after the ball.
- [35:57]
Danny Heifetz
I know that's the other thing Newton.
- [35:59]
Craig Horlbeck
Thing that was it is one of those things where you never want to like question a player's injuries. However it was really weird he didn't die but a football that hit him in the goddamn face and then I.
- [36:10]
Danny Heifetz
Think he didn't know where it went initially. I think he was like.
- [36:13]
Craig Horlbeck
He didn't know where it went.
- [36:14]
Danny Kale
He was looking at it.
- [36:15]
Craig Horlbeck
He's staring right at it.
- [36:16]
Danny Heifetz
Well, I don't know if he saw it.
- [36:17]
Craig Horlbeck
He saw it.
- [36:19]
Danny Kale
He's blinded.
- [36:20]
Danny Heifetz
He was. He was dazed from getting smacked in the face. He was seeing stars. That's all he could see.
- [36:26]
Danny Kale
It's like a cartoon.
- [36:27]
Craig Horlbeck
Just like matter. So Kyler's the foot injury.
- [36:30]
Danny Kale
This is another game he might not play. Yeah, like it's gonna be.
- [36:34]
Craig Horlbeck
This could be. It would be funny if Brissette ran a better offense than Kyler. I will say Nate ties. Our friend Nate has made a great point that an underrated off season move was the Cardinals offensive. Sorry. Offensive line coach.
- [36:46]
Danny Kale
Yes.
- [36:47]
Craig Horlbeck
To Dallas.
- [36:47]
Danny Kale
We talked about this and.
- [36:48]
Craig Horlbeck
And I. I wish we had hammered this more that the Cardinals o. Line coach that really replaced him came from Ohio State, which sounds good. And yet we just saw this last year in Seattle where Ryan Grubb has a great offensive college from Washington, goes to Seattle in the NFL and then like, oh my God. Coordinating an offensive line in the college is nothing like coordinating an offensive line.
- [37:06]
Danny Heifetz
When you don't have five blue chip guys. Yeah, whatever.
- [37:11]
Danny Kale
Sorry.
- [37:12]
Craig Horlbeck
No, it's cool. When your players are so much better than everyone else.
- [37:16]
Danny Kale
Yeah. Chip Kelly. Yeah. Clayton Adams is the guy and he's now in Dallas as the offensive coordinator and we're seeing what they're doing with Javante Williams.
- [37:23]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. And so looking at this game, the combination of Kyler, whether he plays without practicing or preset plays, it's that mixed with Lou, the Colts defensive coordinator who is a football lifer and like one of them. 30, 40 years.
- [37:37]
Danny Heifetz
Pat seed for all the Bengals problems last year essentially. Right.
- [37:40]
Craig Horlbeck
And I'm like one of them, like four decades Rolodex coordinators who's been doing this longer than the Cardinals aligned coach has been alive basically in this Cardinal. I'm like, this is like a blender that the Arizona is about to go into. I don't know. I'm pretty concerned about this. Never mind. Marvin Harrison Jr. Playing in Indianapolis, which is also probably. I'm sure.
- [38:00]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah, that's a good one. So there are actually kind of a lot of interesting storylines from this. Shane Steichen versus Jonathan Gannon. If you go back to 2022, they were on that Eagles team that went to the super bowl last. We are at that game to the Chiefs after having a big lead in the second half, they ended up losing to the Chiefs. The OC that year was Steichen and the defensive coordinator was Gannon. And they both went on to get head coaching.
- [38:23]
Craig Horlbeck
And the Cardinals, like, heavily tampered with Gannon so much because the game was in Arizona. And they actually tampered with him so much that the Eagles actually managed to basically extort Arizona for like a fourth round pick for the NFL to drop the investigation. Like, they just kind of just extorted and they got a draft pick out of it, which is incredible.
- [38:42]
Danny Heifetz
But so, so that's this matchup here. I think obviously the Colts have the big advantage again. I'm, I'm starting to come around. Maybe this is the moment when Daniel Jones turns into a pumpkin, but I'm actually starting to. I'm actually starting to believe. I'm starting to believe in him is what I'm saying. He's number two right now in EPA for drop back 105 passer rating 8.6 yards per attempt. He's only. This is the big stat I think that we really can focus on with Daniel Jones and why they've been so good. And part of the reason why they've been so good is he's only taken four sacks this year, which is second best in the NFL. The Colts are averaging 32 points per game. Only the, only the Lions are averaging more points per game right now.
- [39:21]
Craig Horlbeck
At some point we'll have to admit that these culture, the 2022 giants, if they were the 2024 Vikings, like, it's like the Darnold 14 win season that even as it's happening, we're like, this isn't real. Right? But the cults, it's just a special thing. It's really. They're fun. They're, they're, they're. But I really do think at some point this will end.
- [39:40]
Danny Kale
No.
- [39:42]
Craig Horlbeck
Well, I mean. But anyway, maybe when they win the super bowl, it'll end. I don't know. But I kind of do think this could just be another like, blowout for Indianapolis. Like, I think they could just run Arizona off the field. To be honest. Like, it's really cliche. Really matters how you respond to adversity. The Washington Bears money football game we can get to later. But that's the rematch of Washington Bears after the Hail Mary Mary that the Bears obviously gave up the Hill Mary and it reminded they lost 10 games in a row after that. Like how you respond to crazy losses matters. And it really does matter to me about the Cardinals. If the Cardinals get blown out this week, I think their season is over.
- [40:19]
Danny Kale
The Cardinals. It's over anyway. The Cardinals are not good. This iteration, this Kyler Murray era, not going to take you anywhere. Whether they're 9 and 8 or 7 and 9 or 10 and 6 or 10 and 7 sound like Jeff Fisher. Like, it's just, it's. I. We already know.
- [40:39]
Danny Heifetz
This is like. So right now the cardinals are 2 and 3. This was, I think the team in the off season. They were kind of a darling for some of the analytics people because if you looked at the way that their defense played last year, they kind of felt like they were on the come up. I just could never really buy into the Cardinals for whatever reason. I think probably partly due to Kyler.
- [40:57]
Danny Kale
For what? Yeah, the reason is Kyler Murray. Hurry.
- [40:59]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [40:59]
Craig Horlbeck
I regret. I regret a lot at taking the Cardinals seriously to make the playoffs. Having said that, the same way we said the Ravens are we. And I did. You nailed it, dk. The best team I've ever seen that I do not trust to win a football.
- [41:13]
Danny Heifetz
Right. Right.
- [41:14]
Craig Horlbeck
And I kind of think Kyler Murray is the most talented quarterback I've ever seen that I have never really ever considered could like win a playoff game. That it would impress me. You know, he'd be very like low.
- [41:26]
Danny Heifetz
On the list of guys you trust to like go do a game winning drive.
- [41:30]
Craig Horlbeck
Talent versus trust to win a playoff game. Kyler is the most talented person that I have. Zero trust to win and. And anyone can make the playoffs. But I. Yeah, I just don't take this game serious. So we'll see. We'll see what happens.
- [41:40]
Danny Kale
So we'll.
- [41:41]
Danny Heifetz
So the Cardinals will probably win this game. But. But.
- [41:43]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That is how it goes perceptiously to win. Okay. Speaking of Jacoby Brissette, though, starting with New England Patriots, who started with Brissette's career. But New England Patriots this week are 3 and 2. They're at the New Orleans Saints, who are 1 and 4.
- [41:56]
Danny Heifetz
My Saints, baby.
- [41:57]
Craig Horlbeck
I need the Saints to win another game because every time I'm not going to see the New Orleans Saints 1 and 4, I'm going to be like, the Giants are the one, which is just awful. I hate that brutal loss. And I just have to mention I'm sorry. So Spencer Rattler got his first career when he started 0 and 10. We didn't talk about this. Believe it or not, last week was the first time a quarterback drafted by the Saints won a game for The Saints since 1998.
- [42:23]
Danny Heifetz
Wow. Oh. Because they didn't have breeze and breeze for so long.
- [42:26]
Danny Kale
And then yeah.
- [42:26]
Danny Heifetz
Interesting.
- [42:27]
Craig Horlbeck
That's still, like, just amazing to me.
- [42:29]
Danny Heifetz
Since when 98.
- [42:31]
Craig Horlbeck
98 was the last time a quarterback drafted by the Saints won a game for the Saints, which is great. Kai was not alive when that happened. Like, that's crazy. Or we. I don't know if it was. Anyway, this game, we don't spend too much time on it, but basically Spencer Rattler, I also think maybe the best quarterback I've ever seen who started 0 and 10 for his career. Like, he's fine.
- [42:51]
Danny Kale
Wait a minute.
- [42:51]
Craig Horlbeck
He's playing.
- [42:52]
Danny Kale
What about Drake May? Wasn't Drake Mayo in 10 or close to it?
- [42:55]
Danny Heifetz
Oh, that's a good point. All right.
- [42:57]
Craig Horlbeck
Rattler's the second one, and he's the. Rattler's the second best quarterback from the 2024 class who started going 10.
- [43:02]
Danny Kale
These are the two best 1 in 10 quarterbacks ever.
- [43:05]
Craig Horlbeck
Ever. All time.
- [43:08]
Danny Heifetz
Quite the statement.
- [43:09]
Craig Horlbeck
I also. I'll flag this one for Ringer 107 later. Mike Vrabel. I just. I just. I can't say enough about Mike V's game planning. And I just, you know, the. The Patriots are giving like three and a half points, and I just.
- [43:20]
Danny Heifetz
Even with. Even with Taysom Hill back in the mix. Wow.
- [43:24]
Craig Horlbeck
Only Mike Vrabel can game plan for Taysom Hill. Here's.
- [43:27]
Danny Kale
Here's what I'll say about this game. If I bench Travion Henderson for Hassan Haskins, and Hassan Haskins will then certainly have about eight carries for 27 yards in one catch. And then Travan Henderson, this will be the week he goes off because Antonio Gibson tore his acl. And now it's just Ramandre and Treveon. And this is the week they unleash Trayvon. He's gonna have like six catches for 70 yards. I will call Mike Variable directly and he'll. He'll get a word from me.
- [43:53]
Craig Horlbeck
And it's funny, too, because Mike Vrabel does the. He makes a clip of the. Oh, stupid, I think he calls it. And he just takes plays from around the league. That's called stupid. Don't do this. And he plays it kind of like the.
- [44:08]
Danny Heifetz
Out of his own team.
- [44:09]
Craig Horlbeck
No, the whole league. Everything that happened last week. And it's. It's like the Reds. It's like the red zone has all the touchdowns. He plays every dumb play that happens.
- [44:15]
Danny Heifetz
That's kind of a fun idea.
- [44:16]
Craig Horlbeck
It's one of those where if the Cardinals did that and Mario DeMarcado wouldn't have dropped the ball. That's why he does it. He shows all the stupid mistakes to show you all the colors of the rainbow mistakes can make. I do wonder if Ramonte plays less for one reason. The Giants turn the ball over five straight times. And I do wonder if Rabel's like, if we just don't turn the ball over, we'll absolutely win this game.
- [44:32]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [44:32]
Craig Horlbeck
And that. But having said that, I wouldn't give a dancer team. I know, I. I agree, but why.
- [44:37]
Danny Heifetz
Is he still playing?
- [44:38]
Craig Horlbeck
Because the Saints suck. And I'm like, they definitely would win this if they don't turn over. So anyway, I. Craig, the good news is no matter what you decide, it'll be wrong.
- [44:45]
Danny Kale
So that is correct. I'm going to be agonizing at 9:59 on Monday.
- [44:50]
Danny Heifetz
Give us the update.
- [44:50]
Danny Kale
I will text you guys again. You know how it goes.
- [44:53]
Craig Horlbeck
Really?
- [44:55]
Danny Heifetz
All right.
- [44:55]
Craig Horlbeck
Don't. No, that's my favorite thing ever. People ask for advice and then I give them the hand and I'm like.
- [45:01]
Danny Kale
The other thing, they're like, they want.
- [45:02]
Danny Heifetz
You to validate what exactly.
- [45:05]
Danny Kale
Either way I. I'll say, Really? I feel like Haskins is like, you. You basically are just banking on them punching in a one yard touchdown. Yeah, that's it. You just need to score a touchdown. And Henderson, I'm like, oh, he could catch some passes, you know, get loose.
- [45:18]
Craig Horlbeck
I think you want to play Henderson. That's kind of where this is.
- [45:20]
Danny Kale
Of course I do because I drafted him. I invested my cat, my hard earned capital in him.
- [45:25]
Craig Horlbeck
Harder, harder. You earned that fourth round pick. Okay, the Cleveland Browns are at your Pittsburgh Steelers. Speaking of your matchups here, Craig.
- [45:34]
Danny Kale
Yeah, this is the most Steelers lose this game, game ever. Like, vibes are high coming off the bye. Big, you know, awesome win in Dublin. The Browns stink. It's Dylan Gabriel. But I will say, man, the Steelers lose to the Browns like they do. They've lost to the Browns once each of the last three years. They lost.
- [45:53]
Danny Heifetz
Looking at their history, it's like 50, 50.
- [45:55]
Danny Kale
They lost to the Browns at home last year, 27 to 14. That was Jameis versus Russia. Now, teammates, the Steelers don't have Jalen Ramsey in this game. They don't have Calvin Austin. I think it looks like Joey Porter Jr. Is coming back. Jalen Warren, the running back, I think is coming back. But like, I don't know, man, the Browns defense is elite. The Steelers defense has not been great. Rogers has not been good under pressure. I don't trust the Steelers offensive line. To me, this is a screaming like coin flip game. Truly, I don't think there's going to be a lot of points in this game. I think this game is going to be ugly.
- [46:28]
Craig Horlbeck
Ramsey not playing is huge because he's been a glance. We haven't talked about him enough.
- [46:32]
Danny Kale
I think Ramsey, he's been great. Was.
- [46:34]
Craig Horlbeck
Oh, he's the hamstring pull away and he had a fumble over turn. But hamstring was like sorry. Ramsey was straight up like a defensive player of the year candidate for September. Like he. No one single handedly wins a game. But Ramsey single handedly changed the Steelers jets game in Week 1 multiple times.
- [46:50]
Danny Kale
Ceiling breakup.
- [46:52]
Craig Horlbeck
He was the best player the whole week in week one and then the Vikings game. He was all over the place he should at his return. The Patriots game like Ramsay's been amazing this season and I'm curious how the Steelers will play without him.
- [47:03]
Danny Kale
Yeah, I think look previewing ringer107 like the Steelers are favored by five and a half points. I hate that.
- [47:10]
Craig Horlbeck
But it's also. But it's Dylan Gabriel, he's a rookie.
- [47:13]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [47:13]
Danny Kale
And I know the Steelers are coming off a buy. I'm just worried that the Steelers are going to be able to score enough. Five and a half is a lot of points and I'm like are the Steelers going to be able to be up by 10 in this game?
- [47:24]
Danny Heifetz
I don't know. I know. I feel like Miles Garrett's just gonna make his life hell in this game.
- [47:29]
Danny Kale
I don't know. I don't trust Broderick Jones doing anything. I wouldn't trust him walking me to my car.
- [47:37]
Danny Heifetz
Okay, well that's a good. Yeah, that's good to know. It is good that Jalen Warren's coming back. If he plays, you're putting him in your lineup, right?
- [47:44]
Danny Kale
He was, he was like really taking over before he had that knee injury which doesn't sound like a huge issue. He's practicing in full like early on in the week. So I, I do think he is.
- [47:52]
Craig Horlbeck
He's fully healthy and also would not play Kenneth Gainwell if Jalen Warren plays. A lot of people probably had him and so I pro. I would play Warren but. And the Browns just Judkins man. And then if you have like the tight ends and joker fanny you can play them at 10. But like I, I would play any of the receivers on this.
- [48:06]
Danny Kale
Is this going to be a Boswell game? Take the Boswell over.
- [48:08]
Craig Horlbeck
Boswell. Best player in the Steelers, I swear to God.
- [48:11]
Danny Kale
Best player of the 2020s for Pittsburgh easily.
- [48:14]
Craig Horlbeck
Unbelievable. Next game here. Anything else in Steelers Browns Craig's right. This is the Tomlin. This is a real Steelers to the opponent.
- [48:23]
Danny Kale
It's going to be like 15 to 11, like some bizarre score score safety.
- [48:28]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [48:28]
Craig Horlbeck
So funny. Next game here the Cowboys, who are 2, 2 and 1 or at Carolinas.
- [48:33]
Danny Heifetz
2 and 3 band ties.
- [48:36]
Craig Horlbeck
Incredible. So the Cowboys are just this dream fantasy football team, man. Like the Cowboys are offense is top two in EPA and passing and first in EPA and rushing offense. And their defense is last in passing. They're basically first in pass offense and last in past defense in every category. And they're top three in rushing offense in every category and bottom three.
- [48:56]
Danny Kale
And they're just in the front party in the back.
- [48:59]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, just literally they're. They're a points factory. It's incredible.
- [49:05]
Danny Heifetz
Shoddy, baby. Shoddy.
- [49:07]
Craig Horlbeck
Jake Ferguson. Javante, it's. Sorry. Demeter Ferguson just being second in catches. I can't say that enough. A Jake Ferguson is second in the NFL in catches only by Puka Nakua, who's on pace to break the catch record. That is literally the only person in Ferguson.
- [49:21]
Danny Heifetz
Ferguson is on pace. This. I said this earlier. He's on pace to shatter the all time tight end catches record. Like he's like on pace to like beat it by 30 or something like that. So, yeah, obviously the Cowboys are fun. I think I heard this stat. I can't remember. Maybe it was Evan Silva said it. That the Cowboys are first in both motion and play action.
- [49:42]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah.
- [49:42]
Danny Heifetz
I don't understand why coaches don't do this. It's just like the cheat code.
- [49:47]
Craig Horlbeck
I wish do it. I wish.
- [49:48]
Danny Heifetz
It's hard sometimes for quarterbacks. I don't really know.
- [49:51]
Craig Horlbeck
I should have known when everyone made fun of Schottenheimer being hired that he was going to be a good coach. And Schottenheimer's been a great coach for Dallas, even though I know obviously things are falling apart. But I don't. I think with what he's been given, I think they're doing a good job.
- [50:02]
Danny Heifetz
Away a superstar pass rusher.
- [50:04]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. The defense was bad with Micah Parsons. Like, I think with what he's been doing. The offense is incredible and the defense, defense, the personnel is kind of whack.
- [50:11]
Danny Kale
So you know what I don't understand. This is a funny tie in actually Ari Emanuel, the guy who was on the town, he started his own podcast recently called Rushmore and they bring on famous guests and they do the Mount Rushmore of whatever category they just had Brady and Manning on and wow, they were talking about. Or the good one, Peyton. Not not the good one.
- [50:32]
Danny Heifetz
Hilarious.
- [50:34]
Danny Kale
Because Tom wouldn't do a pod with Eli. They. Peyton was talking about how when he went to Denver, the Denver coaching staff was like, just tell us all the plays you liked from the Colts and we'll just use those. And I'm kind of like, why don't they. I can understand what's going on with the Eagles. Like, why don't they just like, hey, all those awesome plays that you did, we'll just use those. The Kellen Moore plays. Tell us the like. Like, we have the place we want. Like, let's go back and watch the tape last year and just take all those. We can draw and run them again.
- [51:03]
Danny Heifetz
Draw them up. Yeah.
- [51:04]
Danny Kale
Yeah. I don't understand that. And anyway, that's confusing to me. I don't know why teams, like, just become anemic when a new coach comes in. When last year, their offense was awesome. Just go use those plays. Peyton said they did it with the Broncos and it worked. He had 55 touchdowns. I don't understand.
- [51:22]
Danny Heifetz
I think. Yes. I think sometimes teams just are really illogical. That does happen. But I think in this case, the Eagles, they. Their offensive line is really bad compared to what it was.
- [51:34]
Danny Kale
But it's like, everyone, like, the routes they're running are. It's just like, such a more simplistic, less, you know, complex offense, and I. I don't really get why. And. And you talking about Dallas, like, they're running more motion, they're doing all this cool stuff. I'm like, I. It's just. It's just confusing to me. I. I don't know why. I don't know.
- [51:50]
Craig Horlbeck
I think the short answer for, like, why Dallas? I think Dallas is an easy thing, is Mike McCarthy. You do something for, like, 40 years, and then you, like, win a Super Bowl. And, like, I know we all think Aaron Rodgers is, like, one of the best quarterbacks we saw, but Mike McCarthy was there, and Mike McCarthy's like, I taught this guy also how to play, too. And it's hard. Like, this is Pete Carroll's problem on defense, too, to a degree. Tomlin on defense with Steelers struggle. Sometimes changing what got you to the mountaintop at 54 is just difficult.
- [52:21]
Danny Kale
Yeah. Old dogs, new tricks.
- [52:22]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, I just. It's not just old dogs, though. It's old dogs who. Pete Carroll probably had the best defense in NFL history. If you adjust for era, what the Legion of Boom did, and you're like, why can't Pete Carroll just not just show people. Don't show people your cards. Just Disguise everything. And Pete Carroll's like, I built the best defense ever. Not doing that. You want me to learn how to teach that? Like, I. They just don't want to teach the course they teach.
- [52:45]
Danny Kale
But, like, what's the Eagles explanation then?
- [52:48]
Craig Horlbeck
I don't. I do think a lot of it's the. I think at the end of the season we're going to hear how hurt the. Oh. I also think it's a degree of Syria. Like people just don't want to. Just people want to put their stamp on things sometimes.
- [53:00]
Danny Heifetz
I know there is an element of hubris to it. I think Craig is. What you're getting at is like the coaches want to do their thing. Yeah.
- [53:06]
Danny Kale
I do think going back to the Cowboys, I think I haven't had time to actually make this list, but off the top of my head, I think Javante Williams's success is the single biggest surprise of the fantasy season. Javante Williams is the RB3 on the season. It's Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, then Javante Williams. And after him is James Cook, Jameer Gibbs, Devon HNB Robinson. Like, all these running backs that we of course knew and thought were good. I mean, Javante Williams was an afterthought that nobody wanted and he is genuinely like one of the most dependable running backs in fantasy and looks great.
- [53:42]
Danny Heifetz
They're third in rush success rate this year and that's obviously with like shifts on their offensive line. They've got injuries. I think we were expecting, based on the way that the Cowboys approached the off season where they basically didn't invest much in the. In the running backs, that they would be super pass heavy. And I mean, they do pass a lot, but this is still a good running team.
- [54:04]
Craig Horlbeck
It was hard to anticipate.
- [54:05]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [54:06]
Craig Horlbeck
The combination of the Cowboys, you're right. Even with the. All the points are scoring, the running game being better. And also, frankly, Javante had a horrible knee injury and that hasn't been the same since. And the Broncos got rid of him and he wasn't very good last year and it was. It. It's hard. You know, when Tony Pollard's like, I'm in the best shape of my life. And then he's like, I was faster after my broken leg. And we're like, okay, probably not. And then Javante says that he said over and over, he's like, I think I'm back to full health. And we're like, okay. But he was. And he looks so. No, it's. I don't think there's anything fluky about what Javante's doing at all for the.
- [54:37]
Danny Heifetz
Other side of the ball, the Panthers. I think it's kind of flown under the radar how bad Bryce has been again this year. Bryce Young. Because we, you know, obviously last year towards the end of the season, we were like, oh, he looks pretty great. This is what we thought he was going to be when he came out. He's the first overall pick and he's gone back to being pretty bad. I think there's moments where he looks pretty good and he's done. He's had some incredible plays where he extends a plane, gets out of the pocket and does his thing and does sort of the Houdini stuff that he got famous for. But by and large, if you look at the stats, he's pretty bad. I mean, he's 30th in EPA for drawback, 23rd in success rate, 27th and passer rating, 29th in passing yards per game.
- [55:17]
Craig Horlbeck
Panthers are horrific. And you have to. I think you play Tet McMillan Tet a Roa McMillan this week because the Dallas defense is so bad. But if Tedro McMillan isn't great this week, then he doesn't have any touchdowns.
- [55:29]
Danny Heifetz
It's.
- [55:29]
Craig Horlbeck
It will be hard to trust Tedro McMillan when your season's really on the line. If he can't, if they. Carolina can't do anything this week. Carolina looks terrible because they are. Rams are at the Ravens and this is, this is. I. I mean, this line. Seven and a half, I think. I mean, this is another game that could be a bloodbath. And it's cr. This game was one of the best games of the entire season two years ago. And this feels like the. One of the least competitive games of the week potentially.
- [55:54]
Danny Heifetz
Right, DK Yeah, it's a bummer. I mean, the Ravens are having the year from hell. Lamar Jackson not practicing on Thursday. Today's Thursday, so it's looking very.
- [56:03]
Danny Kale
He's not going to play. They're going to wait till he has the buy.
- [56:06]
Craig Horlbeck
It would be stupid to play Lamar with a hamstring that you could very easily make worse when you could just get three extra weeks, basically, of rest until his next game.
- [56:13]
Danny Heifetz
They've got multiple guys on their offensive line who are banged up. Kyle Hamilton did return to practice today in a limited fashion, so he might be back, but Roquan Smith has been hurt. Marlon Humphrey, Chidobi Wuzier, Namdia Matabuque is already on the ir. They're just absolutely banged up. And this is the worst defense in football. On the other Side the Rams. I don't know if you guys realize this. Stafford is on pace for 5,100 passing yards this year. He's, he's averaging 300 passing yards a game.
- [56:43]
Craig Horlbeck
Stafford's incredible.
- [56:44]
Danny Heifetz
He, they're the number one offense in DVOA. They're averaging 25 points per game and that is against the Texans, Titans, Eagles, Colts and 49ers. They're 3 and 2. They, they lost that. They probably shouldn't have lost that game to the 49ers. That I think they're going to look back on that as like a really bad loss. But I mean they've, they've placed, they've played against a gauntlet of good like pretty solid to good defenses and they're still averaging, you know, 25 points per game. And Stafford is on pace for 5,100 yards and you know, and for a fantasy, obviously the best part is Stafford is the kingmaker. Puka has a 35 target rate which and he's the wide receiver one. Devonte has a 26% target rate and he's the wide receiver 15 in points per game. So. Love this offense. I think the one note for the run game is Corum was starting to work his way into the rotation a little bit more and then he had a fumble last week and now he's going to be banished to the nether realm. What, what's the, what's the Stranger things thing?
- [57:48]
Danny Kale
The upside down.
- [57:49]
Danny Heifetz
He's never getting in.
- [57:50]
Craig Horlbeck
You were looking for nether regions.
- [57:52]
Danny Heifetz
The nether regions probably upset the Netherlands. He's going to Holland.
- [57:55]
Craig Horlbeck
The yeah.
- [57:57]
Danny Kale
I think Kyron played like 98 of snaps after that. Quorum football.
- [58:02]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [58:02]
Danny Kale
If you have kind of the opposite.
- [58:04]
Danny Heifetz
Of the Ramandre situation, it's not fool me once shame. It's like fool me once you're gone.
- [58:09]
Danny Kale
Yeah. You have one shot.
- [58:11]
Danny Heifetz
Never. He's never getting that job back. That's a bummer.
- [58:14]
Danny Kale
Yeah.
- [58:15]
Craig Horlbeck
Fool me one. Shame on you. There will not be a second time is basically the idea. I I the Ravens, it's brutal and yeah, the Rams are playing amazing. I just want to say if PUK has seven catches in this game, held the most catches through six games in NFL history.
- [58:28]
Danny Kale
I want to play a little name game quickly with Derek Henry, who I think is going to be a tricky situation this week because I think the Rams are going to win by a lot. And Derrick Henry is famous for not performing well when the team is losing. I have him ranked much lower than the two of you and I might Just be personally upset about having him on my team.
- [58:49]
Danny Heifetz
Right.
- [58:49]
Danny Kale
But let's do a quick name game. Let's do. I'm gonna start with you. Hi, Fitz. Derek Henry or Kenneth Walker?
- [58:57]
Craig Horlbeck
I would. I'd play Ken Walker.
- [59:01]
Danny Kale
Derek Henry or Jalen Warren?
- [59:03]
Craig Horlbeck
I play Derek Henry.
- [59:06]
Danny Kale
DeAndre Swift.
- [59:11]
Craig Horlbeck
I'd still play Derek Henry.
- [59:13]
Danny Kale
David Montgomery.
- [59:15]
Craig Horlbeck
Montgomery.
- [59:18]
Danny Kale
All right. D.K. j.K. Dobbins.
- [59:23]
Danny Heifetz
Dobbins. Just because of the. He's been much more consistent.
- [59:26]
Danny Kale
Cam Scatter. Boo.
- [59:29]
Danny Heifetz
Scatterable catches, a lot of passes. I don't know. Probably Scatter. Wait.
- [59:33]
Danny Kale
Henry.
- [59:33]
Danny Heifetz
I don't feel confident about Henry. I probably should move him down like you.
- [59:35]
Danny Kale
Rico Dowdle.
- [59:38]
Danny Heifetz
Well, I think that one depends on.
- [59:40]
Danny Kale
Let's say Chuba's not playing.
- [59:42]
Craig Horlbeck
He has a calf injury. Playing Dallas.
- [59:45]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [59:45]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. Dallas is running. Yeah. I would play. Definitely play Dowdle.
- [59:47]
Danny Heifetz
All right.
- [59:48]
Danny Kale
I, I. Half those guys we have ranked below Henry.
- [59:50]
Danny Heifetz
We probably need to move them down. Yeah, I think you're right. It's one of those things where, like, when you, when push comes to shove and you're, like, thinking about your roster, you're like, oh, I don't. I think I would actually. I do it the other way.
- [60:00]
Danny Kale
I mean, he basically needs like a, A, A punch in. Touchdown from the one. That's it. I guess he could break a big one, but it's just so much harder.
- [60:09]
Danny Heifetz
It's also like, they had that one guy. Sorry, I'm blanking on his name. They had him active, their other running back. So, yeah, Keaton Mitchell. They had him active for last game. I'm wondering if they want, like, sort of a different style on early downs. Just while, While we wait for number one, the offensive line to get healthy and Lamar to get back. Their fullback Ricard is coming back, which could make a difference. I don't know how big of a difference it'll make, but that could be something that, that gives them a boost.
- [60:38]
Danny Kale
Maybe. The key is. You guys ever, like, switch around where you put players in your starting lineup just kind of for a different feel? Like, I think if you, if you are going to start Derrick Henry, throw him in your flex. No pressure. You know what I mean? Like, you're not the RB one for me this week.
- [60:53]
Danny Heifetz
You're.
- [60:53]
Danny Kale
You're my third guy, so I actually.
- [60:55]
Craig Horlbeck
Literally never do that. I just solely do my lineup by time. The earlier you are, the higher up in your rankings.
- [61:00]
Danny Kale
Oh, really?
- [61:01]
Craig Horlbeck
My. Like, I will put Christian McCaffrey in my flex if he's on Monday Night Football playing later.
- [61:05]
Danny Kale
Oh, yeah.
- [61:05]
Craig Horlbeck
I Mean, which I highly recommend, to be honest, in case, hypothetically, Christian McAffrey is, like, inactive, not even for the game, which I can't imagine why that would happen.
- [61:11]
Danny Kale
Yeah, McAffrey, I feel like that would never happen, but, like, sometimes, like, I just moved A.J. brown out of. Wide receiver one. Wide receiver two.
- [61:18]
Danny Heifetz
Like, hey, demoted.
- [61:19]
Craig Horlbeck
No.
- [61:19]
Danny Kale
No pressure. Well, you're actually an overqualified wide receiver, too, now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [61:24]
Danny Heifetz
The vibes, Craig. I do that all the time. I know 100% what you're talking just feels better. Just feels like. Feels more. Right. Yeah.
- [61:32]
Craig Horlbeck
Move down the thing to your.
- [61:34]
Danny Heifetz
To your opponent. Right?
- [61:35]
Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. It's mind games. You lose down the thing and you're like, in a super flex, you're like, who's their second quarterback?
- [61:39]
Danny Kale
You're like, Jalen hurts 100. Yeah.
- [61:43]
Craig Horlbeck
That's crazy.
- [61:44]
Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
- [61:45]
Craig Horlbeck
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Danny Kale
Love it.
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Craig Horlbeck
49Ers are at Tampa Bay, which is great game.
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Danny Heifetz
That's a fun game.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's a good game.
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Danny Heifetz
This is Brock. Pretty not likely to play. So we get another game of Mac Jones, which. I don't know. It's just fun. Mac Jones is out there. He just. He plays with a different style than Brock Purdy. Breck Pretty is very, like, understated. He doesn't seem to, like, get as emotional. I think Brock Purdy's probably better at the end of the day, but, like, Mac Jones plays like a psycho.
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Danny Kale
Yeah.
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Danny Heifetz
Well, I'm not 100 sure. Craig. I think he is all right, but.
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Craig Horlbeck
He'S also cramping during that game. I learned a lot about cramping this week because this game's going to be pretty hot. And the Niners are. It's supposed to be very hot in Tampa. And the Niners are bringing a bunch of pickle juice because I guess. Pickle juice. Yeah. That is the fastest relief for cramps. It just basically bunch of salt and potassium and yeah, they have a lot of people.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah. Mac Jones is not playing three games. He's. He's completing 28.7 passes a game, which is first in the NFL. 301.7 yards per game, which is first in theNFL. 43 attempts per game. First in the NFL. This is a. And again they're going against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who have a good run defense. This is going to be a pass funnel offense for the 49ers. I feel good about playing Kendrick Bourne again. It's looking like Pierce Saul is not going to be in in this game. They might get Juwan Jennings back. He's practicing limited on Thursday. So even with Jennings back though, I still feel pretty good about Kendrick Bourne.
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Craig Horlbeck
I feel great about Kendrick Bourne.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
Because it's really simple. He's has way more experience with Mac Jones than honestly any of these players have with anyone else. Like Brock Purdy. Outside of Purdy, Jennings and Kittle obviously Kittle and IR and Jennings hurt. None of these players have very played with Brock Purdy very much. Obviously Parasol was a rookie and he had all these injuries last year. And like this year, Kendrick Bourne is almost as much experience with Mac Jones as anyone has with Purdy. And then Kendrick Bourne also played for years for Kyle Shannon. So he's like light years ahead of everyone else in terms of knowing his job.
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Danny Heifetz
It's.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's way more than a usual random guy signed with a team. It's nothing like that. So I, I think Kendrick Bourne, I have way more confidence than the random receiver gets signed and happens to play well one time.
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Danny Heifetz
The other thing I think just to mention here and. And we haven't really talked about him a ton is but like McCaffrey is just going bonkers this season again after like that scare before the season. He is second in overall points among running backs. So he's. He's essentially like a w. He's essentially a wide receiver. You know what I mean? I was playing.
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Craig Horlbeck
I was literally trying to pull it up now, but I think he's third in catches in the league. Literally the catch leaderboard is Puka FERGUSON and Christian McCaffrey is 39 catches for 387 yards this season. Yeah, I mean just yards. McCaffrey sixth. He's right behind a Monroe.
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Danny Kale
I mean he's just a while 100 yards more receiving than rushing.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's. Yeah. It's unbelievable.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah. The Niners run game has quietly been really bad. They haven't been able to run the ball. So again, Trent Williams against a good run defense. Start the guys on the Niners. Tittle might be back next week probably or the week after. I don't think it's the same. But yeah, he's not back this week.
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Craig Horlbeck
Bengals are at the Green Bay packers, obviously. I mean, the Bengals traded for Joe Flacco on Tuesday and Joe Flacco is going to play for the Bengals on Sunday.
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Danny Heifetz
Flying coach, baby.
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Danny Kale
Did you see?
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Danny Heifetz
There's a picture of him heading to Cincinnati. He's like in line with all. All the plebs going into.
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Craig Horlbeck
So I have bad news. I am very confident. That wasn't real. Well, I think it was. I don't think it was AI. I just think that's an old photo of Flacker.
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Danny Kale
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
Got him a car because Cincinnati, you could just drive.
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Danny Heifetz
Drive there.
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Craig Horlbeck
He definitely drove. And Zach Taylor talked to him the entire time on the phone.
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Danny Heifetz
Which is the other thing that I mentioned is. Or that I. That I noticed about that is. It's crazy how tall he is. He's like. These are not normal people.
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Craig Horlbeck
Six.
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Danny Kale
Six.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, sure. He's just like towering above everyone on.
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Craig Horlbeck
The plane on one hand. Flacco playing is crazy. It's like he was benched by Cleveland. The Cleveland Browns benched him. The Cleveland Browns bench Joe Flacco like a week ago. And he's 40. So he's the. He will immediately be the oldest player in the history of the Cincinnati Bengals. So old that Willie Anderson, who is a right tackle. The Bengals, drafted in like 96. Who's in the Bengals ring of honor, played with Joe Flacco, like, that's how old a player in the ring of honor.
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Danny Heifetz
I love those. I love those kind of things. Those. That's great.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah. It's just crazy. But I mean, look, the Bengals have a right to be desperate because I. Look, if the Bengals, they want Burrow to be able to come back. The rate the Bengals, I get why they're so desperate. Ravens are 1 in 4. The Browns are 1 in 4. The Bengals are like, if we can just be competent. Holy crap. Like, they could win the division if this. What if Rogers gets hurt and the Bengals didn't try? So I get it. But obviously this probably won't go very well. I. You play Jamar Chase just because Flacco's whole job is going to be get the ball to Jamar Chase. T. Higgins if you're desperate. I kind of want to see how it goes. Chase Brown. I think Just because Flacco checks it down so much. I think Chase Brown could get a lot of catches. I don't know if it yards or touchdowns and then but I mean the packers should win. They're getting their offensive line back. Zach Tom's back at right tackle probably Aaron Banks is probably back at left guard obviously Michael Parsons. Like it would just be funny if the packers lost this game but overall kind of Flacco kind of playing with house money because you know they should lose. The line is 14 and a half points. Yeah. So I mean funny if the Bengals made it close.
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Danny Kale
Packers coming off a buy at home. Joe Flacco.
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Craig Horlbeck
You know, Bengals moneyline.
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Danny Kale
Let's see AFC north right now has some of the worst quarterback play.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah.
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Danny Kale
I mean you have, you have. When's the last time A division's had two 40 year old quarterbacks starting?
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Craig Horlbeck
That's a great question. That's a great question ever. Probably never because the list of quarterbacks to throw a pass at 40 is very short. It's like very short.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
So probably definitely never.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, probably definitely never.
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Craig Horlbeck
Well so it's three teams in the division this season because Flacco did it for the Browns and Bengals and then Rogers and the Steelers. So three of these teams have relied on a 40 year old guy. Last late game here is the Titans are at the Raiders. This is, this is, I don't want to watch this one.
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Danny Kale
No, this game is like yeah, this is like throwing two toddlers in a sandbox and it's like you guys just play together, have a good time. I hopefully both of these terrible situations are enough to get both of these offenses back on track. Gino's been horrible. He's got nine interceptions in five games. They're probably not going to have Brock Bowers. Cam Ward's been pretty bad except the fourth quarter he kind of came alive. He went 13 for 18200 yards in the fourth. Made a lot of nice throws. Calvin Ridley kind of came came back to life. So I, I do think think although it, it's frustrating I, I, I kind of do think Calvin Ridley and Elick IO Manor are are kind of playable this week. Actually same with on on the, on the Raiders side like I think Jacoby and and Trey Tucker are are fringe flex plays and then if there's going to be a week when Ashton Genti becomes a national name and is like on Sports center top 10 and does crazy and has 210 yards I think think it's going to be this week. The Titans gave up 180 yards and two touchdowns last week to Michael Carter, Bam Knight and Amari D. Mercado. They almost gave up three touchdowns because I'm already dropped the damn ball But I don't know I mean the Raiders are home favorites when's that going to happen again?
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Craig Horlbeck
I think you're totally I agree cosign all of that Monday Night Football two games the first one being the Bills are at the Atlanta Falcons. Falcons have been pretty forgettable. DK what do you make of Bill's Falcons?
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Danny Heifetz
Falcons are I had to like double check this and make sure I wasn't filtering it wrong. The Falcons are the number one team in defensive DV way through I really.
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Craig Horlbeck
Understand that I I I gotta tell you I don't that that that makes me believe less in Dvy I that they they lost to the Panthers 30 to nothing in one of their games is against JJ McCarthy and the Vikings. That's not true.
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Danny Heifetz
There's no way they I believe DVOA improves as the season goes along because they start factoring in the strength of the defense much more effectively.
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Danny Kale
They've never let up less than 22 point oh no I guess they they let up 6 to JJ McCarthy. Okay.
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Danny Heifetz
Anyway regardless I think the point is they're surprisingly good on defense this year. I would say that that's that I feel confident about that. They're first against the past 12.
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Craig Horlbeck
You hold Bryce Young to 30 points it's like you know that's it's pretty good.
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Danny Kale
Okay.
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Danny Heifetz
They held Marcus Mario dvoa Sorry High Fitz. I'm sorry for bringing it up. Jesus Christ. They are better at rushing the passer. How about that?
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Craig Horlbeck
Yeah, unquestionably the best Atlanta pass rush in 12 years.
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Danny Heifetz
Cool. On the other side. That's all I have to say about the Falcons actually. One more thing. Zach Robinson's first game on the sideline was last was two weeks ago. They have by last week and things went way better. Maybe this does matter. I don't know what do you guys think of this? Because Penix went 2026 for 313 yards, two touchdowns a pick 12 yards per attempt. The previous game it was under five so certainly was a lot better performance. Maybe that will be hopefully that will be indicative of the direction that Pennix goes where he's pushing the ball down the field. But usually when you have a coach moving around from sideline to press box it's not a good sign for the offense or the coaching staff in general.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's kind of not that different than Craig moving People in his fantasy lineup to change the vibes. It's kind of like no one does that when it's good. It's just literally we can't think of anything else to fix the situation.
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Danny Kale
Sometimes you got to rearrange the furniture. I will say I, I still believe in Michael Penix and I think, I think it feels like Michael Penix has played more games than he has. Michael Panicks has started like eight games. You know what I mean? And so I, I think that like I, I trust the coaching staff and the play calling and Zach Robinson. I think they have great skill players and like a decent bedrock, a foundation to kind of work from. I, I am long on Atlanta as an offense right now.
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Craig Horlbeck
Bill's winning by 16 and a half or more points is 4 to 1. Kind of like that for me. I just don't believe in Atlanta. I just big zoom out. I think the Bills are still an elite team. I know the Patriots beat him last week, but I'm like Mike Rebel is an awesome game planning coach. I believe, I do not believe in, in. I, I don't know. I don't think this game will be close this game. I mean we'll talk about it in a second.
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Danny Heifetz
It's tricky.
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Danny Kale
This is like. I wonder what the data says about like short week for the Bills in Atlanta's coming off a buy.
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Craig Horlbeck
I honestly don't care the talent. I, I just think the Bills are such a better team, man.
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Danny Heifetz
The. I think that one thing. Well, one of the things I want to be watching in this game is going to be interesting is the Falcons are the number one blitz team in the NFL, 37%. I want to see how much they blitz Josh Allen and how he kind of deals with it. One guy to highlight here. Dalton Kincaid has started to turn into, I think closer to what we thought he might be for this offense when he was drafted in the first round a couple years ago. He's not as bang or he's been banged up throughout most of his career. So now he's healthy. He's the tight end three on the season. That's mainly because he keeps scoring touchdowns. But I do think if you just watch him, he looks good, he looks dynamic. He can run after the catch a little bit. He's giving them a weapon that they didn't really have last year kind of in the middle of field right. And him and Shakir are both kind of, I think developing pretty good weapons for that.
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Craig Horlbeck
No one has ever comped Dalton Kincaid to Zachary, but for fantasy, strictly Dalton Kincaid is last year's Zach Ertz, where he is just a trusted red zone option for a great offense. And then everyone's like, well, he can't keep scoring touchdowns. And I think Dalton Kincaid will just have 11 touchdowns this year and it doesn't really make sense, but he just will because Josh is going to find him. The other Monday football game again, second Monday Night Football game. Don't know how I feel. Bears are at Washington. I this is unbelievable. This is the rematch. This is obviously Caleb Williams, number one pick 2024. Jen Daniels was number two. It was a big game last. That was a huge storyline. And then Bears go to Washington and the Caleb Williams, totally forgotten, drives down and gets a touchdown and a two point conversion to get the Bears to lead with 27 seconds left. And then, man, Washington has the Hail Mary to Noah Brown. Tyreek Stevenson is shit talking fans. During the play, I went back and I watched it. It was so much worse than I remembered. I remember it being bad and I think Tyreek Stevenson was talking into the play even longer than I remember the.
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Danny Heifetz
Ball was at its apex when he finally turned around and he was like, wait, what?
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Craig Horlbeck
I kind of thought Tyree Stevenson was talking and the ball was snapped and he turned around.
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Danny Kale
Somebody yelled forward. He's like, what?
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Craig Horlbeck
The receivers are like 25 yards downfield by the time he turns around.
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Danny Heifetz
So.
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Craig Horlbeck
And he just sprints. And Noah Brown, I believe, was his guy. Like he was supposed, you know, there's the scrum and there's a guy in front and behind the scrum, scrum. That was kind of his job. And he kind of just panicked and ran and he's the one who touches the ball too, which I forgot that he dove in and tipped the ball, which if you don't know anything, looks like a good play. But then when you find out his job is to prevent Noah Brown from getting the ball, it really was worse. I almost feel bad for him. He's had a son since he's had perspective. But anyway, he's had a son. Well, no, sorry, that's just me. Stevenson's basically. There was a lot of stories of like, hey, Tyreek, how you. How you doing, man? I'm going back to Washington. He's basically like, look, man, you have different perspect. He's basically like, my son will have to live with the fact that I did that.
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Danny Kale
Oh, please.
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Craig Horlbeck
Well, his son's name is Tyree Stevenson Jr.
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Danny Kale
I'm just saying, like, it wasn't the Super Bowl. It was some random game amongst two Shitty teams. They'll be fine. Like, people don't forget, I guess. Like, the Bears were terrible.
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Danny Heifetz
Piss your pants. Didn't you piss your pants in third grade?
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Craig Horlbeck
Anyway, I, I, I actually think in a. I, these narratives are usually overrated. I do think it matters a lot how the Bears play in this game. And because I, oh, right. Like, Caleb Williams is number one, not number a question. Throughout his career has been responding to adversity, resiliency.
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Danny Kale
I, it does.
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Craig Horlbeck
I'm not saying just whether the Bears win or lose, but, like, I would like to Chicago to come out and just play disciplined, not emotional. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, you, if they lose, it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I would like them to just keep their wits about them. You know what I mean? I don't want to see Ben Johnson's rule for Caleb Williams when he showed up was no hands up, no palms up. Don't ever act like you don't know what you're doing. I would like to just see them play like it actually doesn't bother them. Not like they're acting like it doesn't bother them. Does that make sense? Yeah, like, I, you know, it matters, but I want it. I want them to be able to execute. Obviously, they care and want to win, but I would like to just execute, execute without, without issue.
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Danny Heifetz
Isn't it kind of telling a little bit that Caleb Williams isn't like, the top story in the NFL the last, like, three weeks?
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Craig Horlbeck
Like, it's.
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Danny Heifetz
Well, they were like, they're just playing cleaner. Yes. Last week, but I don't know, just in general, it feels like after the first week, he was like the big story in the NFL. Like, what a fucking disaster. And then.
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Danny Kale
Well, and then they got killed by Detroit and they got destroyed.
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Craig Horlbeck
But look, the NFL schedule makers, they're good at this. They know what they're doing.
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Danny Heifetz
Keep the entry up early.
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Craig Horlbeck
Like, you know, like, if, if Caleb looks great out of the buy on Monday Night Football, he will. He's going to be a giant. He will return to the biggest story in the NFL last year. Well, we do Rigor 107 and then, man, we'll see if I have the discipline to stay away from Belichick or not. Who knows?
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Danny Heifetz
It's just calling your name.
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Craig Horlbeck
Let's do Ringer 107 first. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by FanDuel. Okay, Ringer 107. We're competing against all the other shows here at the Ringer. We're in second place, I actually want to think about that. I want to make the picks absent. I want to throw out a bunch of games and then I just want you guys to tell me what you're thinking. These are six, so seven games. And I, I.
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Danny Heifetz
Okay.
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Craig Horlbeck
Broncos giving seven to the jets because the jets suck.
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Danny Kale
Favored by seven.
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Craig Horlbeck
Sorry. Yeah. Broncos are favored by seven points. Patriots favor by three and a half because that means Saints. I don't care. Rams giving seven and a half to the Ravens and kind of just being.
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Danny Kale
Like favored by seven.
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Craig Horlbeck
God damn it. Sorry.
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Danny Kale
We get a lot of emails from people who say they don't like the giving. The language, the jargon around gambling is confusing.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's very confusing.
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Danny Heifetz
I just like, don't like that expression, the Lion.
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Craig Horlbeck
I know.
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Danny Heifetz
Giving points. Okay, what's that?
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Craig Horlbeck
It does not make sense. First of all, any of those. Do you guys, did you guys have.
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Danny Kale
Circled any of those Rams and Patriots? I have, I have circled.
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Craig Horlbeck
Should we just maybe worse idiots for just taking as if the Ravens will play like that again. The Rams are playing so well that I, I kind of do. What DKD qualms. Let's lock in the Rams favor by 7 1/2 points. They have to be by more than touchdown. They're playing so well. Lions are underdogs by two and a half points. And I understand they're in Kansas City. That's a hard, that's a hard place to play. It's Mahomes. Having said that, there's all this talk right now, who's the best team in the NFL. I'm like, I think it's the Lions. I know the quarterbacks. It's a tough situation, but I'm like, the Lions being underdogs. I just never want to bet against the Lions when they're. They're underdogs. Like the Chiefs could beat the Lions by one or two points and we still win. I'm like, I'll take it. It's a toss up. I want the points in that game.
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Danny Kale
It's a hold for me. Let's keep going.
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Craig Horlbeck
Okay. Bengals getting 14 and a half. Bengals underdogs by 14 and a half. I don't, I don't like how they lose. Okay. Washington favored by four and a half versus the Bengals versus the Bears. I think his point, they're playing better out of the buy. Probably don't like that Bill. This one I like. Bills are favored by four and a half. Bills versus the Falcons. I think the Bills are a different caliber of football team than Atlanta.
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Danny Kale
All right.
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Danny Heifetz
We know high Fitz.
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Danny Kale
If you think you feel mad that.
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Craig Horlbeck
I called out the number one.
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Danny Heifetz
I'm not mad. I'm not mad.
- [79:55]
Craig Horlbeck
I I was shouting.
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Danny Heifetz
You have no I was like surprised. I was taken aback because you're so strongly anti the Falcons. I actually think we should ride that. Like let's go for it. I understand that strongly that they're this.
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Danny Kale
Is how it works. If any of us have conviction, we should go like I thought the Broncos were good against the Eagles last week. I felt that in my bones. We should do that again with hyphens.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah, yeah. No, I'm actually I support you hyphens. I I think let's use this energy.
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Craig Horlbeck
It's a trap. I it's a Costanza too. I just watched the Atlanta come out destroy. I just kind of like they gave up 30 points to Bryce Young two games ago and then they give 27 to Mariota and now it's Josh Allen Short Bryson the worst two quarterbacks in the NFL.
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Danny Kale
I'm good with it. Let's do it.
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Danny Heifetz
All right, let's do that.
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Craig Horlbeck
So the Bill's favored by four and a half. Rams favorite by set. We're betting on good quarterbacks and we're laying points with good quarterbacks.
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Danny Heifetz
Do we like the Cowboys at Panthers? I thought yeah, I like that.
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Craig Horlbeck
Yes.
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Danny Heifetz
He's playing awesome.
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Danny Kale
All right, so wait, I think we have five here. Let's do the Bills favored by four and a half. Let's do the Rams favored by seven and a half. Let's do Dallas favored by three over Carolina. Let's do the Patriots favored by three and a half over no Orleans. And in our in America's favorite team, Colts seven and a half.
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Craig Horlbeck
Seven. Oh yeah.
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Danny Heifetz
Honestly, it's moved a point in the last day.
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Danny Kale
Don't care.
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Craig Horlbeck
Let's say it's that that one from Kyler's banged up to Kyler actually is not going to play.
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Danny Kale
Yes, we keep let's keep betting the Colts until they burn.
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Craig Horlbeck
I like this is a little dangerous because we're doing it's all favorites to lay points. Watch it, watch it. Just be one. This is one of those if you're listening you should probably just do one of the like underdog parlays that's getting like a hundred thousand to one and it's like the best day for underdogs in 30 years.
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Danny Kale
But that was last week. There was a big underdogs last week. Yeah, I, I, I do. I will say though, one week I, I want you guys to give me Permission. One week where we decide five games and then I just slack the five opposite picks to the person who.
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Craig Horlbeck
I've thought about that. I, I, I thought about just, if we wanted to go 0 and 5, what are the worst 5 bets we could make? And just pick those. Part of me is like, Bengals get underdogs by 14 and a half. That's the worst bet you can make. I'm like, just take that.
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Danny Kale
No, I know. All right, let's ride with these five favorites.
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Craig Horlbeck
Okay. All right. I'm gonna have the discipline to not talk about Bill Belichick right now.
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Danny Heifetz
We can wait.
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Craig Horlbeck
We're gonna, we're gonna save that for when he gets fired in like three days or buyout or whatever.
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Danny Kale
Million dollar buyout. The second that was in place, I was like, he's gonna gone.
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Craig Horlbeck
Keep sending your emails too, about us.
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Danny Kale
Why do a pre a million dollar buyout? I'm like, okay, he'll pay it himself.
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Danny Heifetz
Yeah.
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Craig Horlbeck
Keep sending your emails about what husbands were doing in labor while their wives were in labor. Those are great. I have a bunch of those. Those are really fun. We can read those next week. And then please keep emails too, about other things you thought when you were a kid that you were wrong about. Gotten more fun emails about that.
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Danny Heifetz
I love those.
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Craig Horlbeck
Send. Send us those. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone, for listening. But of course. Thank you, Lord Lauren.
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Danny Kale
Amy Poehler, Ringer employee hosting SNL this week.
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Danny Heifetz
Ooh, yeah. Famed ringer employee. Yeah.
- [82:55]
Danny Kale
Of the ring of fame, our colleague. It's on this thing. Snl.
- [83:01]
Danny Heifetz
Hold on. I need to get, I need to get a band off. Thank you. The Commodores.
- [83:05]
Danny Kale
Nice. I don't, I don't really know anything about.
- [83:07]
Craig Horlbeck
I don't, I don't know them.
- [83:08]
Danny Heifetz
Easy Like Sunday morning. I was listening to that.
- [83:12]
Danny Kale
Easy.
- [83:12]
Craig Horlbeck
Sunday Morning. Is that a song?
- [83:14]
Danny Kale
Easy Like Sunday Morning.
- [83:16]
Danny Heifetz
Oh, great song. I don't know. I was just listening to that the other day. I was like, this song slaps so good.
- [83:21]
Danny Kale
Oh, they do Brick House. I didn't know that.
- [83:24]
Danny Heifetz
They had some hits.
- [83:25]
Danny Kale
She's a brick.
- [83:28]
Craig Horlbeck
Wait, Lionel Richie is the singer for the Commodores.
- [83:30]
Danny Heifetz
Oh, she was. He was. For a stretch. Yeah.
- [83:34]
Craig Horlbeck
He's the singer of that song.
- [83:35]
Danny Kale
Yeah. I didn't realize that, that this was Lionel Richie's. I didn't realize he was in a band before he was solo famous.
- [83:42]
Craig Horlbeck
I did not know that either.
- [83:43]
Danny Heifetz
Wow.
- [83:43]
Danny Kale
That's a blind spot for me. Hand up, hand up. That's on me.
- [83:47]
Craig Horlbeck
Tyree Stevenson over there.
- [83:49]
Danny Kale
I find myself on knowing things like.
- [83:50]
Craig Horlbeck
I didn't know this Tyree Coralbeck says.
- [83:52]
Danny Heifetz
I didn't know Three Times a Lady. That's a good song. Wow.
- [83:57]
Danny Kale
All right, cool.
- [83:58]
Danny Heifetz
They got some good ones.
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Danny Kale
That's a fun pick, dk. What a funky pick out of you on this Thursday afternoon.
- [84:04]
Danny Heifetz
Thank you.
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Danny Kale
Okay, cool. I'm gonna listen to them on my drive to go do a live live town event, which I'm going to do after.
- [84:13]
Craig Horlbeck
There you go. I'm gonna go watch a super cut of Ari Gold announce Rush, but goodbye, everyone.
- [84:28]
Danny Heifetz
Foreign.
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Craig Horlbeck
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