WR Sleepers, Tiers, and Fears 2025

Summary

The Ringer Fantasy Football Show – "WR Sleepers, Tiers, and Fears 2025"

Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck
Date: August 8, 2025
Topic: Wide receiver tiers, sleepers, values, and strategies for the 2025 fantasy football season

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Overview

This lively, insight-packed episode dives deep into 2025’s fantasy wide receiver landscape. The trio of Heifetz, Kelly, and Horlbeck break down their annual WR tiers, share their biggest fears, debate rapid risers, and identify the must-have (and must-avoid) talent for fantasy teams. The crew tackles both the big names and the sneaky sleepers, debates the impact of aging vets, fresh faces, and QB/coaching situations, and helps listeners grapple with which WRs can actually win (or lose) you your league. They also share memorable banter on coachspeak, NFL “smelling salt” bans, and even a wild New Jersey zoo conspiracy theory to close out the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. News Roundup: WRs & NFL Weirdness

• Jordan Addison (MIN) suspended: 3 games for a “Wet Reckless” plea. Minimal fantasy impact, already adjusted in ranks.
• Keenan Allen returns to Chargers: Signed for a year, questions remain about his role alongside young WRs and how it might affect Lad McConkey’s upside.
  • Craig: "I like when the vet comes back to the old team, tutoring the younger guys. Like Jurassic Park when the old cast returns." [05:34]
• Mike Williams retires: Tried returning but walked away at camp.
• NFL bans smelling salts on the sidelines: NFLPA clarifies players can "BYO" salts. Amusing riff on pregame rituals and legal subterfuge, with George Kittle and Baker Mayfield examples.
  • Heifetz: "Now, I’m sure George Kittle is going to buy like pallets of smelling salts and just store them in his locker." [09:05]
  • Craig: "What if George Kittle becomes like the smelling salts seller in the NFL?" [09:16]

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2. Overarching WR Draft Strategy (2025)

• General Philosophies:
  • Stars & Scrubs at WR: Heavy focus on landing one (or more) of the clear top-12/15 WRs, then skipping the "dead zone" and banking on rookies/late flyers for backfill.
  • "I think the eliteness, how far I would consider receivers elite…I feel so much more confident in the top, like, dozen receivers." — Heifetz [13:12]
  • "You kind of can't go broke making a profit on wide receivers." — Craig [14:49]
  • Critical difference between 2WR and 3WR starting lineups: vastly increases the positional importance.
  • Rule of Thumb: "I need five receivers in the first 10 picks." — Heifetz [14:49]

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3. Wide Receiver Tiers – Detailed Breakdown

Tier 1 – “No Questions” Megastars

• Jamar Chase (CIN), CeeDee Lamb (DAL)
  • "These are the elite, undisputed real-life receivers who honestly, I have no questions." — Heifetz [17:04]
  • Both offer elite production, no QB questions, proven chemistry, teams likely to lead NFL in passing attempts.

Side note: The consensus No. 1 fantasy pick almost always misses time (injury jinx theory).

Tier 2 – Superstar CLub with a Question Mark

• Justin Jefferson (MIN): Talent undisputed, but JJ McCarthy is an NFL rookie.
• Nico Collins (HOU): WR1, but huge OL turnover and new OC.
• Puka Nacua (LAR): Could win Triple Crown if Stafford stays healthy (concerns over his back).
• Amon-Ra St. Brown (DET): New coaching staff, worse O-line.
• Malik Nabers (PIT): Russell Wilson then rookie Jackson Dart possible at QB.
• Tier expanded to include: Brian Thomas Jr., Drake London, AJ Brown, Lad McConkey, Tyreek Hill [24:24]
  • "If you look at what they did last year, they’re all within like a point of each other." — Craig on the expanded tier [24:38]

Tyreek Hill Special Discussion:
– Debate whether Tyreek is being underdrafted and written off “over the hill.”

• Craig: "Would you be surprised for a second if Tyreek Hill was the number one overall wide receiver this year?" [27:00]
• Heifetz: "He literally had 1800 yards even though the Dolphins had the third fewest passes after halftime that season. If he had run as many routes as Calvin Johnson, he’d have had 3000 yards." [28:13]
• Concerns: Miami vibes, Tua’s health, Tyreek’s wrist and offseason feuding.
• Consensus: If Miami bounces back, Tyreek is a screaming value in round 3.

Tier 3 – High-End WR2, High-Floor, Some Ceiling Questions

• Mike Evans (TB), Jackson Smith-Njigba (SEA), Tee Higgins (CIN), Davante Adams (LAR), Garrett Wilson (NYJ), Terry McLaurin (WAS), Marvin Harrison Jr. (ARI)
  • Tee Higgins shoutout: "In games that he and Jamar Chase played, Higgins actually out-targeted Chase 108-107." — Kelly [43:27]
  • Some debate about how far to dip on MHJ and McLaurin.

Tier 4 – Breakout Hopefuls, Productive WRs with More Uncertainty

• DJ Moore (CHI), DK Metcalf (PIT), Tet McMillan (CAR), Jameson Williams (DET), George Pickens (DAL), Jalen Waddle (MIA), Courtland Sutton (DEN), Xavier Worthy (KC), Rashee Rice (KC), Calvin Ridley (TEN), Devonta Smith (PHI), Zay Flowers (BAL), Travis Hunter (JAX), Chris Olave (NO)

  • Critical insight: This is the last tier where you want your WR3 — after this, you get nervous about starting them.

  • "If this is the third wide receiver on your team, you're feeling good. If they're the second, you’re a little nervous." — Craig [56:18]

  • Extra concern for Bears passing game development, dire warning for DJ Moore stock.

  • Tet McMillan Love: “If there’s any of these guys who’ll become a top-10 WR by end of year, it’s Luther Burden… but Tet’s rock solid and could immediately be a star.” — Craig [56:52]

  • Zay Flowers faded: "He’s game-scripted out… basically invisible in the red zone." — Kelly [60:56]

Tier 5 – Dart Throws, Rookies, and "Why Not?" Veterans

• Zay Flowers (moved down from prior tier), Rome Odunze (CHI), Jacoby Myers (LV), Deebo Samuel (WAS), Jerry Jeudy (CLE), Jaden Reed (GB), Jordan Addison (MIN, suspended), Ricky Pearsall (SF), Jauan Jennings (SF), Emeka Egbuka (TB), Matthew Golden (GB), Ja’Lynn Polk (NE), Khalil Shakir (BUF), Michael Pittman (IND), Darnell Mooney (ATL)
  • Ricky Pearsall (SF) & Emeka Egbuka (TB) get big sleeper shouts
    • DK: “Can’t open Twitter or BlueSky without five people talking about how awesome Egbuka looks at camp.” [69:02]
    • Love for Niners WRs and Pearsall specifically.
  • Matthew Golden (GB) potential: “Packers took a WR in round one for first time in 20 years. He’s the likely leading receiver.” — Heifetz [71:38]

Tier 6 – “Breaking Glass” Only

• Chris Godwin (TB), Hollywood Brown (DET), Cooper Kupp (SEA), Josh Downs (IND), Rashid Shaheed (NO), Brandon Aiyuk (SF, likely out), Keon Coleman (BUF), Christian Kirk (HOU), Adam Thielen (HOU), Jalen McMillan (TB), Jaden Higgins (HOU)
  • Strong warnings about Keon Coleman: “He’s a project. If he was a 5th rounder, he’d barely make the team. But he’ll play.” — Heifetz [76:22]
  • Heavy skepticism on Saints and Bears WR2s, but Shaheed is a value.
  • “If you have to play these guys in September, I’m a little squirrely.” — Heifetz [74:42]

Tier 7 and Below – Deep Sleepers, Dynasty Stashes, and Waiver Fodder

• Names like: Romeo Doubs (GB), Marvin Mims (DEN), Trey Harris (LAC), Cedric Tillman (CLE), Quentin Johnston (LAC), Jalen Coker (CAR), Luther Burden (CHI), Xavier Legette (CAR), Wandale Robinson (NYG), Josh Palmer (BUF), DeAndre Hopkins (BAL), and more.
  • "Luther Burden is easily one of the most electric players," potential league-winner but likely dynasty pick first — Craig [83:38]
  • "This is the tier when half your draft is gone and everyone is just scrolling their phones cluelessly." — Danny H [85:39]

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4. Big Themes & Notable Lessons

Age & the Vet Bounceback

• "Is the biggest edge in fantasy just ‘reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated’ for older veterans?" — DK [32:07]
• Discussion of how player longevity, prep, and advanced health tech may throw old age curves out the window for outlier WRs (Evans, Henry, Tyreek).

Team/Coach Context Reigns Supreme

• "You’re drafting the whole family – the coach, the QB, the O-line, not just the WR." — Heifetz [53:01]
• Heavy skepticism on Bears, Saints, and other “bad vibes” teams where new coaches or rookie QBs are learning on the fly.

Auction Draft Lean:

• “Don’t be afraid to pay up for WRs. The guy who overspends for stud wide receivers always looks scary. He’s right." — Craig [14:49]
• Go get two or three elite ones ('Ferraris in the garage'), especially in 3WR lineups.

Nods to Rookies and Anonymity

• Non-SEC/Ohio State rookies/young WRs (like Tet McMillan, Ricky Pearsall, Matthew Golden) get under-drafted due to anonymity and team bias.
  • "The truth is, receivers who don’t come from the SEC or Ohio State are just kind of more anonymous." — Heifetz [57:55]

Overarching Final Rule

• "Half your first 10 picks should be WRs. If you’re relying on WRs from outside the top 50-70 overall, you are in trouble."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "These are the elite, undisputed real-life receivers who honestly I have no questions." — Heifetz [17:04]
• "If you just get two of these top 12-13 WRs, you feel invincible." — Craig [25:19]
• "Lad McConkey might as well be named Lad Mahonkey." — Craig [35:36]
• "Would you be surprised for a second if Tyreek Hill was a number one overall wide receiver this year?" — Craig [27:00]
• "Sometimes we need to take the horrific rookie seasons and just delete them – this is kind of Caleb and Rome Odunze’s rookie year." — Heifetz [67:28]
• "With receivers you can’t go broke making a profit... The floor of your team is just so high." — Craig [14:49]
• "If you're in this tier, your draft has gone off the rails." — All on deep sleepers [85:39]

Funniest Moment:

• Craig to Heifetz: “We need an All-Costanza team: the guy that infects your heart most, fades him…and he’s always wrong!” [78:33]

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Important Timestamps

• Smelling salts ban discussion: [07:02 – 11:16]
• WR draft strategy/tier theory: [12:18 – 14:49]
• Tier 1 reveal and debate: [17:04 – 24:24]
• Tyreek Hill under-the-radar value: [26:44 – 31:39]
• Tier “big pool” debate: [24:24 – 32:05]
• Mike Evans/Tee Higgins as 'ignored' elite WRs: [43:27 – 46:03]
• Rookie WR love (Pearsall, Golden, Egbuka, McMillan): [65:00 – 72:36]
• DJ Moore/Bears skepticism: [54:07 – 56:32]
• Niners WR (Pearsall) breakout case: [65:00]
• Waiver/deep league picks and lottery tickets: [82:34 – 85:58]

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Episode Highlight: Low-Stakes Conspiracy Theory (Zoo Bear in New Jersey)

Email from listener Andrew: A hilarious, elaborate case that a local New Jersey zoo is faking a black bear's existence—no one's seen it in years, could have escaped/incited an incident, with the zoo “pretending” it still exists.

• "Is it possible that Jelly escaped from the zoo and they just keep up the ruse so they don't get in trouble?" — Andrew’s email [92:06]
• The hosts vow to visit and investigate if they can during their upcoming NYC trip.

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Takeaways for Fantasy Drafts

• Prioritize at least one (preferably two) from the “big 13” WR tier.
• Avoid “vibes risk” teams (e.g. Bears, Saints) unless the value is enormous.
• Rookie WRs (especially early draft capital) are often bigger values than the public thinks.
• Don’t fade veterans just because of age—if they haven’t declined, don’t assume they will.
• After WR50-60, the cliff comes fast: fill your depth before you’re forced into the luck-and-pray portion of the draft.

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Final Thoughts

Draft with tiers, not just ranks. Know the cliff points and target the proven studs before the “just-a-guy” tier hits. Look for values and don’t forget the offense context—situation can make or break even the most talented WRs. And if you find yourself deep in rookie/no-name territory, swing for upside, not stability!

“If you’re listening to this show, you are ahead of everyone else in your draft!” — Craig [85:52]

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(End of summary. Low-stakes bear conspiracy not included in serious WR analysis, but highly recommended for listener morale!)

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Please wait around for the end of this episode. Even skip ahead like it's fine. I just, I just want you to hear Andrew's email about his low stakes conspiracy about this zoo in New Jersey. It's all time. We're on board with it. Check that out. We might even go to New Jersey when we're in New York, which we will be in two weeks for a live show on August 19th.

[A]

We're dead. It's such a good email. We're actually going to make this drive to this. We're really thinking about it. Okay, so let's get to receivers but first let's take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai getaway sales event and get away with a deal. So right. It almost feels wrong. You can get huge savings on their adventure. Ready SUVs like the Hyundai Santa Fe and Santa Fe hybrid models. Or go all electric and choose from America's most awarded EV lineup like the Breakthrough Ioniq 5 or Ioniq 6. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for details. Offers end September 2nd 2nd, 2020 5. Okay, some quick news before we get to receiver tears. Just want to hit some receiver news. Jordan Addison of the Minnesota Vikings, officially suspended by the NFL for the first three games of the season. We kind of knew this would happen because Jordan Addison once again pled no contest to Wet Reckless.

[B]

That sounds like, like a 90s comedy. Comedy.

[A]

That's the next three watchables. Is wet Reckless.

[C]

That's what they called you in high school. I thought.

[B]

That's right. They did.

[A]

Wet Reckless.

[C]

He fell asleep on the freeway in a lane.

[B]

Not great.

[C]

Not a great look.

[A]

Not ideal. I still can't believe Jordan Addison, who makes millions of dollars a year, was fined $390.

[C]

Right?

[A]

I think the 390 is such a funny term. Anyway. Yes. Jordan Addison missed the first three games of the year. I feel like we kind of already moved him down. We'll talk about him later in this. But, like, we kind of knew this was coming. The other news, Chargers signed Keenan Allen, which, when I first saw this rumor, I was like, well, that's not going to happen. But they did it. So getting the gang back together. Keenan Allen signed a one year deal. I think the money that's been reported is like, fake, so I'm not even going to read it. But this comes after the charges also tried to bring back Mike Williams, who obviously also played for the Charges for a long time. And then Mike Williams retired. He just kind of showed up to camp and was like, the game made enemy no more. So Mike Williams retired. Keenan Allen's there. I kind of thought at first that this was actually just concerning. It was like, lad McConkey hasn't practiced in a week and he's off to the side. They haven't disclosed what it is. I checked in with some people there. They were like, no, it's fine. He's like moving around. I'm like, okay, so I, I guess Keenan Allen's. Is he going to play? I don't know. Dk, like, do you think Keenan Allen's going to play for the Chargers when they already have Quentin Johnson? They, you know, they have a lot of young receivers there. They have Jalen Rager, who. Yikes.

[C]

But I do think he's going to play. I. I don't think Keenan Allen is like that far gone in terms of being washed or whatever. He's. He still could, you know, make plays in the short and intermediate area. He's always been really good at getting open, great hands, all that. Um, my concern. So if you look at the rest of the depth chart. Trey Harris, the rookie hasn't done a whole lot, I don't think from what I've seen at camp. I mean, it's not like he's been bad, but he hasn't necessarily shined. The other guys.

[A]

He's a second round pick. He was a high pick.

[C]

Yeah. Second round pick in their fifth round pick, Keandre Lambert. Smith is the guy that's been kind of making waves. He had a couple of big plays in their hall of Fame game, including a touchdown, I believe. And I don't know, he's just looked pretty good. So it's. I think right now the depth chart is definitely in flux. But if you look at it overall. Trey Harris, Keandre Lambert. Smith, Quentin Johnston, Darius Davis, Jalen Rager, Brennan Rice. It's a bunch of. Bunch of guys that have absolutely. We cannot trust whatsoever.

[A]

Just Jerry Rice.

[C]

Jerry Rice.

[A]

Brendan Rice.

[C]

Brendan Rice. Yes.

[A]

Just really want to clarify that.

[C]

So, yes, I do think Kenan Allen's going to play. I think he's going to be the number two. The big concern for me right now with Lad Monkey this, I don't think lad McConkey is affected dramatically, but if you look at his numbers last year, Lad played in the slot 66% of the time, and that's kind of where Keenan Allen likes to live. I know that they both can kind of play all over the formation, but I guess the slight worry is maybe Keenan's going to hoover up some of those easier plays in underneath or whatever, and that might hurt lad McConkey's Hoover's good upside. But what do you guys think?

[A]

Kai points out that three of the charges receivers on the roster went to tcu. That's kind of weird.

[C]

Go Frogs.

[A]

Quentin Johnson, Jalen Rigor or Darius Davis all went to tcu.

[C]

Such amazing careers too. Sorry.

[B]

I like when the vet comes back to the old team. I like tutoring the younger guys. Like, I even like Cooper cup with Jackson Smith and Jigba. I like that. I like Keenan allen with lad McConkey kind of ushering in. It's like, you know, remember when like the. The. The third Jurassic, the third Jurassic park and the new reboot when, like Jeff Goldblum and Laura Dern, they all came back okay. You know, I actually didn't see that.

[A]

Movie, but I did just watch the end of that movie on YouTube because I just kind of wanted to watch what the final dinosaur fight was. And it was actually was nice to see them all together.

[B]

The end of the Chris Pratt trilogy. That One.

[A]

The one where. Yeah, they were all kind of running together, the original cast. I was like, oh, like the big dinosaur. I just wanted to watch this.

[B]

I'm not that worried for Lad. Lad's really, really good. They're not gonna. I feel like they are not going to sacrifice whatever they want to do with Lad just because Keenan's there.

[A]

We'll get to where we slot Keenan in with our receivers. What she said.

[C]

I had a friend who texted me, by the way, that just said half of our shows is just us going, I don't know. Just do what you like.

[B]

Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

[C]

Do what you feel. Go with your gut.

[B]

Yeah. And my. And I'm like, in my humble expert opinion, I'm like, lad McConkey is one of like the brightest stars of the young receiver crew of the NFL.

[C]

Right?

[B]

33 year old Keenan Allen. Like, if they just like remove Lad McConkey from the slot because Kenan Allen's there, I'd be surprised.

[A]

Yeah, there you go.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Well, actually, the last thing, I just wanted to mention this before we get to all the tears. The NFL banned smelling small, selling smelling salts.

[B]

Smelling schmaltz.

[A]

Smelling schmaltz. Which led to an absolute panic.

[B]

Dude, I did not realize how many players depend on and absolutely love smelling salts.

[A]

All of them.

[B]

George Kittle is obsessed with them. Baker Mayfield was recently talking with Kay Adams and she told him that their band smelling salts. And he was like, wait, are you serious?

[A]

You. She was like, doubt.

[B]

He was like, this is a massive problem. Like, I need something else now. He's like, this will dramatically affect my game.

[A]

All of them do smelling salts before going on the field. Literally whenever. All of them do smelling salts.

[B]

And you guys ever.

[C]

Have you guys ever. I don't know, what do you. What's the verb? Smelled them.

[A]

Yeah, I smelled salts.

[C]

Have you ever done smelling salts?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. I think we should dream.

[B]

I think Sunday night, our Sunday night recaps, we should begin every show by snorting smelling.

[A]

Smelling. We honestly should kind of like snort anytime anyone intros just with this. I kind of like that.

[B]

Like all of our late night recordings, we should start by doing smelling salts. Or there's a category called like the. The like out of my mind award or something. And we just rip a smelling salt and then have to do a category.

[A]

Football gmail.com, if you have an idea for us on the Sunday night recaps to do the smelling salt.

[B]

And so the NFL ban them. But. But what they really mean is that the NFL cannot provide them anymore. Players can still provide their own. So it's BYO smelling salts now, which to me is worse.

[A]

It's so funny. Literally, it sounds like the NFL, they're lying. Not lying, but they're kind of like, yeah, medically, it's like, blah, blah, blah. Some lawyers said the NFL probably should stop providing smelling salts to players so they will no longer provide smelling salts before, after, or during the game. Can't have it at sideline, can't have it locker room. And then the nflpa, the dying husk of the nflpa, whose players are like an open revolt, the leadership's in chaos and turmoil, is now going to save the nflpa because the NFLPA clarified with all the players, total red meat issue with your base. And they were like, don't worry, you can bring your own smelling salts to the game. Literally. So now I'm sure George Kittle is going to buy like pallets of smelling salts and just store them in his locker.

[B]

Basically, there's going to like, what if George Kittle becomes like the smelling salts like, seller in the NFL? Like, it'd be interesting if there becomes like an entire underground market of smelling salts.

[A]

If these end a roster. I got a guy, they're smart, they want to do some extra cash, just become a salt tycoon.

[B]

You know, I think it's interesting because the NFL, reading some of the reports, it was like, the effects of smelling salts can perhaps kind of hide some of the symptoms of a concussion.

[A]

Concussion. They give you a fucking smelly salt. They're like, go back in the game. It was like that for like 50 years.

[B]

Totally. And so they're like, so we're banning smelling salts because, you know, it could potentially mask concussion symptoms. But then they're like suits. You can just bring your own now.

[A]

Yeah, I just think there's legal.

[C]

I'm reading an article right now about this. In 2005, Michael Strahan estimated 70 to 80% of NFL players were using.

[A]

Dude, it's not just that.

[B]

It's basically pre workout.

[A]

Where did I.

[C]

How have I gone this long without trying a smelling salt?

[A]

Have you guys ever seen an NFL sideline after the game when the players are gone? Google it. Google. There are photos. Like, the sideline when all the equipment's gone is just husks, smelling salts. Like hundreds.

[B]

Yeah, Baker Mayfield was, was when he was talking to Cat, I'm basically said that he's just going to start taking even more pre workout now and drink more coffee.

[C]

But I don't know, it's just Supposed to make you more alert, essentially.

[B]

Yeah. It sharpens your senses.

[A]

And you know what stinks the nostrils removes your. It kind of really dulls your conscious brain as you're about to enter a really animalistic, violent.

[C]

Wake up. The primal tackle. Yeah.

[B]

I just don't know why they. Why can't they just ban it? Why are they allowing players to bring their own.

[A]

Because the players will revolt. No, that's the thing. If the NFL actually gave a. They'd be like, no one can use these. The NFL. I'm sure there's a. They're like saying, well, there's a medical report so we're not going to do it. The middle step, they're hiding. Like the little hide column in an Excel file is. The hide column is lawyers were like, the fact that the FDA has issued this medical advice is a legal liability for us, providing we could get sued.

[B]

If it's implied that our smelling salts are preventing concussion.

[A]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, I'm sure that lawyers were the middleman in like the NFL is like, we don't care if you do it. We just can't give it to you for free all the time.

[C]

Speaking of Jurassic park lawyers. Huh.

[A]

The blood.

[C]

The only guy that agrees with me. The blood sucking lawyer.

[A]

Absolutely perfect. Yeah. So smelling salts. Yeah, we should. I'll order some on Amazon first. But we should have them at the draft and yeah, we'll do them on Sundays. That's a good idea. Okay, let's get to wide receiver tears. I want to start. We're again the point of tears to go through. This is just a great mechanism when you're drafted. You really. It's this. It's better than rankings to have an idea of which players are in the same bucket. So we're not necessarily going to nail our rankings, our larger goals. We really want to get the buckets of receivers next to each other. Correct. We want you as you're going to be in the same range and you want to feel free to rank the guys within the tiers however you want. But we really want to get the buckets of players and their potential ranges of outcomes. Correct. So we're going to go through all of them. Before we do that, I just want to say do you guys have a general strategy at receiver this year? I have two strong thoughts, but dk, do you have any big picture thoughts going in to. I want to just beginning it and then at the end of this episode if you change your mind. But do you have any big picture thoughts on the receiver position? Going into the year.

[C]

I don't think specifically. No, I mean, obviously, we talked about this with running backs. It's like, you want to have a clear cut wide receiver 1. You don't want to go in and have a bunch of wide receiver twos on your team. I feel like that kind of really limits your upside week in and week out. So I'd say that. But in terms of, like, specific players or I. I don't have a specific strategy. I don't think this year there's just a bunch of guys that I really.

[B]

I got a strat.

[C]

What do you got?

[A]

Hit me.

[B]

Stars and scrubs with receivers. I want the first 10 to 12 guys. I like all of them. Like, I actually think I can get to 15, double up on them. The top 15. Then I kind of want to skip, I think the next middle rounds, and then I want to basically just gobble up rookies.

[C]

I like that, actually.

[A]

I mostly agree with that. I agree with Craig. I think that. I think the eliteness, how far I would consider receivers elite. I. I feel so much more confident in the top, like, dozen receivers. I can't believe how confident I feel in the top 15 guys where I'm like, oh, my God, all these.

[B]

I like all of them. You could give me any one of them and I don't really care. I'm like, oh, aj, Brian Puku, a Brian Thomas. All of them are good to me.

[A]

I feel so fine. Starting receiver, receiver. And I. I usually feel a little nervous about that without a top running back. I feel fine about it this year because there's so many legendary guys. I will say this. I want to commit supuku, if any. If I don't get like five receivers in the top 50 or 50 receivers, like 60, like, yeah, seppuku is seppuku.

[B]

Seppuku.

[C]

Seppuku. Seppuku.

[B]

Nakua. Did you watch Shogun?

[A]

Yeah, I watched Shogun.

[B]

Seppuku.

[A]

I think Seppuku.

[B]

Seppuku.

[C]

I'm sure we're all fucking it up, let's be honest.

[A]

Seppuku.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Our American rituals always put the accent on the middle.

[A]

Yeah. Which I. I will stick a katana in my fucking intestines and rip them out if I have to play Keon Coleman for the Bills.

[C]

There we go.

[A]

Like, and, like, I think that there's a line and it's somewhere around the 55th receiver where, like, it is like a cliff. And it's not really. But in my. It's weird because I think 20 to like, 35 is like, they're all kind of the same. But then oh my God. There's a point where you have to spend real capital in your draft and it's like vaguely 120th overall. And at that point I want quarterbacks and running backup running backs with upside tight ends. And I'm like, if I am having to draft more than a receiver or two that I particularly like at that point, if I have to play these guys, like I do not want to get my fourth receiver 120th overall. Like your first 10 picks, I guess more or less. I kind of need five of them to be receivers and then the other five have to be quarterback, tight end, three running backs or more running backs you want. But like I need five receivers in the first 10 picks.

[B]

Yeah, I kind of think with wide receivers and it's. I never really do this in drafts and I think it's because you're just spending so much money on them. But with receivers you kind of can't go broke making a profit. Every year there's always the guy in your league who just says like screw it and he'll draft like a Monroe St. Brown and Justin Jefferson and Mike Evans and He spent like 70% of his budget on that. And you're like that looks incredible. You have three Ferraris in the garage and every week that guy's terrifying to play. Wide receivers traditionally healthier than every other position. Last year wasn't. It wasn't that way. Which is why there might be a bit of a pendulum swing with people being excited about running backs. As running backs were, were kind of uncharacteristically healthy. Last year wide receivers were not. So. But, but in general, when you just go get like two stud wide receivers and you get a stud quarterback, the floor of your team on a weekly basis is just so high. I mean it is rare that guys like Nico Collins, Justin Jefferson, Tank have bad weeks. And so I think this year I'm just going to try to get a couple elite wide receivers.

[A]

The last caveat I'll say for this conversation, the context is I can't stress enough how much the difference is between if your starting base roster requires two starting receivers or three receivers each week. It is such a larger difference in rankings than half PPR versus full PPR versus even zero PPR. Like literally it's adding 50% if it's, if all prices are supply and demand, it is literally adding 50% more demand to how much you have to start. So again, a 12 team league is probably including flex is probably going to. If with three receivers is going to start like 40 plus receivers every week. And a 10 team league with the two receiver spots is starting almost half. You know, like it's a huge difference. And so the point being in a, in a 10 team league where you start two receivers, you can do it. You could start Darnell Mooney and Juwan Jennings every week and you're probably fine. But like in a three team league like Puka Nuku is so much more valuable in that 12 team lead that has three receivers. So just keep that in mind. Like there are so many receivers, you can wait on the position if you have a two team league, but you really don't want to wait in the position to start three. So that's the. Keep that in mind with your leagues as we go through this conversation. But let's just get to it. I'm gonna go through my tiers here. You guys can tweak them. Like basically we're going to try to agree on tiers here. Starting with, I put tier one, which it was hard to do at the top, and I kind of settled on just two guys. Jamar Chase for the Bengals and Cede Lamb with the Cowboys. Maybe that's a little controversial, but I was like, you know what, these are the elite, undisputed real life receivers who honestly I have no questions, I have no questions about these guys.

[C]

It's the combination of their elite players, plus they're with very good, prolific passing quarterbacks. Right.

[A]

For they've been with their quarterbacks for years.

[B]

They have, they have zero. I have zero questions about them.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think the, obviously the only question here is do you include Justin Jefferson? But I think like with Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, elite connection, they go back to college, you know, like they've been playing with each other for years. No questions there. In terms of the volume of the offense, I think the same could be said with Dallas. Like it's, it feels like there's gonna be a high volume passing game with Dallas. Dak obviously has great chemistry with CD. I think the only question, and it's a very small one, is what does Pickens arrival kind of do for CD Lambs overall upside. But I still think, you know, looking at the history of what CD Lamb has done, I actually looked up the last three seasons. Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CD Lamb are the clear cut, like wide receiver royalty in terms of the last three seasons. All right, around 16 points per game and half. PBR Lamb and Chase obviously this year I think have a little bit higher upside. But if you go back that three years, there's only five players that have averaged 10 plus targets a game. One of those is neighbors and he doesn't really count because he only had one season. It's Devonte, Adams, Chase, Lamb and Jefferson. Those guys have all averaged 10 targets a game, 10 plus targets a game in the last three years. So it's like Jefferson. The only thing is just like what is. What is McCarthy going to be?

[A]

His quarterbacks never played in the NFL. And I think that's the thing with the tier. It's like, would you really. If Vikings fans get mad and look, obviously in real life, Justin Jefferson as a real life receiver is maybe is just as good, maybe better than Jamar Chase. That what is the argument to take Justin Jefferson over Jamar Chase? I don't think there is one. Just because is Justin Jefferson's quarterbacks literally never played in the NFL. Maybe J J McCarthy takes in the super bowl, he could also suck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that would be really like he could suck and hurt again.

[B]

And Joe Burrow will. Will. If they're on the field, they won't suck.

[A]

I know that and that's the thing. The other part of the reason I think these are the top two guys in their own tier. Jamar Chase and CD Lamb. And I wouldn't take another receiver, even Justin Jefferson over these two is the Cowboys and Bengals at this moment in time are the favorites to lead the NFL in passing attempts. The Cowboys offense is not running through the running game. That's why they settled for Miles Sanders and Javonte Williams. It is Dak Prescott. The passing is the core of the Cowboys offense. Obviously the Bengals are the same thing. Both defenses, I think are going to suck again. I don't think the Cowboys can stop the run. The Bengals defense is not very good. And I just. These probably lead the league in pass attempts. In the same way we're like, is George Pickens as good as T. Higgins? No. Well, guess what? On the Bengals last year, Jamar Chase, they had Tegans there and Jamar Chase literally was led. Had the triple crown. He had the most catches, yards and touchdowns at the position. Even though Teigens was there for almost most of the season. And so to me, even the Pickens is great. It's like, well, if Dak Prescott's leading the league in attempts, it's not gonna matter. Like C.D.

[B]

Lamb'S gonna, you know, it might even help C.D. i mean C.D. six touchdowns last year, you know, maybe 100%. Let's double cover.

[C]

Dak was A runner up for the MVP two years ago. I feel kind of forget that.

[A]

You know, Drake always says he should have won him. Like, I think he should have won.

[B]

No.

[C]

Man, I. I'm just looking at the stats again. Joe Burrow almost threw for 5, 000 yards. 5,000 yards, 43 touchdowns. Man, that's. It's just.

[A]

Craig was worried about Joe Burrow's wrist last year.

[C]

Can you believe it?

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

I'm even talking about a fucking water bottle.

[A]

Anyway, so, yeah, so Jamar Chase is. And also I will just. Can I just give a. This is horrible analysis, but I did want to just note it.

[C]

Okay, I like this.

[A]

So Jamar Chase is the consensus number one overall player, which I think we have to just mention before we go on like, it's Jamar Chase is our number one player. Espn, Yahoo, Fantasy Life. Establish the run fantasy points. Pff. Everywhere is Jamar Chase at the number one. And mostly for the most part, the industry basically agrees on the number one player every year. Last year we actually moved McCaffrey off.

[B]

Everyone else in McAfee, I know where you're going. This is the fantasy Madden cover. Essentially, it's.

[A]

Yes, and I will just say this is not analysis, but it's just. It's more just interesting to me. The number one consensus fantasy player has not played 11 games in like six years or 12 games.

[B]

Why is that?

[A]

Three months they have missed. The number one player has missed a month for six straight seasons, which is not like actual now. It's just funny to me that everyone in the world is like, take this guy first. And that player has always missed a month, if not more. So just worth noting that, you know, you can. Just another thing is Craig was saying, take whoever you want because, like, you know what I mean?

[C]

Just go with your guy.

[A]

It's been seven years since the number one guy, actually, you wish you had taken.

[B]

Maybe, maybe that's a good sign for Saquon that he's not the consensus number one.

[A]

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So anyway, so Chase and CD Lamb are the top tier. The next tier is basically guys that are also incredible. But there's like a question about them. Justin Jefferson for the Vikings, who's just as good as Lamb and Chase, but it's like, well, his quarterbacks never played in the NFL. Then we have Nico Collins for the Texans, where it's like, well, they house their entire offensive line and we also don't know who's going to be the running back, which is like a little concerning Pukinakua. Who I actually could argue, I think Puka Kua has a chance maybe at the Triple Crown this year himself. But Stafford, his quarterback's getting epidurals, which is usually a sentence you hear with pregnant women. So it's like that's a little concerning a Monroe St. Brown who has an entirely new. Like, basically the offensive coaching staff's different and then the offensive line is much worse in Detroit. And then Malik Neighbors, who is quarterback is Russell Wilson, and then maybe a rookie, Jackson Darth. So that's the next year. All of them incredibly talented, all incredibly productive, and there's just one giant about them.

[C]

It's a little bit. Bleak is not the right word because obviously these are all very good players, but man, it sucks to have so many of these elite receivers with like major question marks in the offense. I'm still a little like, I love Nico. I'm still a little bit worried about, like, what the Texans are going to be if Stroud can kind of bounce back. I believe in Stroud. I think he's a very good quarterback. But you know, you mentioned that they basically remade their offensive line this year. We don't really know what this new offensive coordinator is going to bring.

[A]

Nick Kaley, who came from the race.

[C]

And then with Puka. I was actually looking at this the other day. This is kind of an aside and a tangent. I want to say Devonte Adams. Right Now, Puka is 16 to 1 offensive player of the year and Devonte Adams is 100 to 1.

[B]

Just putting it out there, just dabbling on. Fanduel.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're saying Puka to Kua out week one and then you have Devonte.

[C]

Adams, Adams 100 to 1, baby. At least he was when I looked a few days ago.

[A]

I don't hate. I kind of get that.

[B]

I think this tier should be expanded. So you have these 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 guys. You mentioned your next tier. You just have four more guys, which.

[A]

Is Brian Thomas Jr. For the Jags, Drake Leonard for the Falcons, AJ Brown for the Eagles, Lad McConfield, the Chargers. I'm fine to merge them.

[B]

I think it should be expanded. If you look at. I think all of these guys have somewhat similar chances of being like the Overall wide receiver 1. If you look at what they did last year, they're all within like a point of each other. But Brian Thomas was like a top five receiver to close the year with Mac Jones. Drake London was the number one overall wide receiver with Michael Penck in those three games. AJ Brown on Philly we've seen him do it many seasons. I think the Eagles are going to throw a lot more this year. And then like just with what lads doing with the Chargers, I think he should be included as well. I would even venture to say and where I really want to linger on is you don't have Tyreek Hill in that tier. You have Tyreek hill in Tier 4.

[A]

Tyreek Hill was the last guy. I moved him up, I moved him down, I moved him up, I moved him down. Like I. And I'm totally fine to put Tyreek Hill in the tier one.

[B]

I think this should be a giant tier two with the. With the five guys you mentioned adding Brian Thomas, Jake London, AJ Brown, Lad McConkey and Tyreek Hill.

[A]

I. It's fine. I kind of. I the literally so the way I Because I I'm fine. The re. The reason I had a Monroe neighbors Puka, Collins and Jefferson in the first tier, I was like, if I actually stick to what I'm saying about what the tiers are of like and I guess it's squishy sometimes where I'm like, I don't care how the order you rank them and I'm like, these guys are guys. You could take sixth in the first round six overall. And I'm fine with it. And I'm like, I'm not going to take lad McConkey sixth. However, sometimes it's squishy. It's more like it's also I wouldn't be shocked if any of these guys to your point beat any of the other ones. Like zero. Surprise. No, like to that point, that's fine.

[B]

AJ Brown beats a Monroe St Brown or Drake. London beats Pukin Pukinakua.

[A]

And the point. More importantly, the point being the top. If you get two of these guys, you're like walking on. You're. You feel like you're invincible. Right.

[B]

If you. If you go to Tyree Kill, I think that's is it 12 or 13 guys? To me, two of those 13 is the goal in my draft this year.

[A]

How do you feel about that being one big tier? DK Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Puka Amon, Rams Brian Thomas, Drake, London AJ Brown, McConkey and Tyreek Hill being a one.

[C]

Giant tier, I don't mind it. Where I would quibble and where I would probably personally draw the line is at AJ Brown and then lad McConkey and Tyreek would be down a tier. I don't really know if I see them in the same tier as like AJ Brown, Drake, London, Brian Thomas, Et cetera, Malik, neighbors, all those guys. But it's a small quibble, and that's just like how I would do it personally. If you look at our ranks, that's kind of what it looks like. Although I guess LAD is only a couple behind AJ Brown. But then you have a kind of a big drop for Tyree Kill.

[A]

So you're saying AJ Brown belongs in that elite tier and then McConkey step low or you.

[C]

I think, yeah. And I think if you kind of take a look at that list, to me, any one of those guys ending up as the overall wide receiver one this year wouldn't be a huge surprise. I would be pretty surprised to lad McConkey as the overall wide receiver one. So maybe that's just like one way of doing it. I'm again, it's just a quibble. It's not really. I don't think so strongly, but that.

[B]

That's fine. I would actually make the case for Tyreek Hill belonging in this category maybe over Lad. I want to linger on Tyreek for a second because I think he's one of the more interesting fantasy players this year. So based on the rankings, it's kind of. I think you could make the assumption that a lot of people think Tyreek is over the hill.

[C]

He's washed.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're so much better than that.

[B]

I know. Over right there.

[C]

Good one, but nailed it.

[B]

Last year was a mess for Miami. 2 of missed 6 games with the concussion stuff. Tyreek Hill also hurt his wrist in. In August last year and played the entire season with it.

[C]

He had a li Claimed it was getting handcuffed.

[A]

He got wrist surgery and he said that. And again, just a reminder, tire kid was like detained by police on the way to week one. And he said that the handcuffing made his wrist surgery recovery worse.

[B]

He injured it in a. In a joint practice against Washington in August last year, but. So he's had two surgeries this offseason. But Tyreeko's 31 years old. He. He in a. In a Derrick Henry sense. Like, to me, he's one of the most freak athletes we've seen in a long time. The year before last year, he was the number one overall wide receiver. He had 1,800 yards. The year before that, he had 1700 yards. And so it's like last year he had 1800 yards, 13 touchdowns, and he was 30 years old. So it's like, okay, now or he was 29 going to 30. Now he's 31 going to 32. I'm not that worried that Tyree Kill athletically is over the hill or anything like that. There's obviously like we're worried that to his health, that's always the biggest question mark. But it always has been with Tyree Kill. And now that you can just get him as like the wide receiver, 14 to me is out of control. Would you be surprised for a second if Tyree Kill was a number one overall wide receiver this year? And it's just the same Miami thing we've been seeing. Keep in mind, John, who Smith is gone, who had a hundred catches last year, right.

[A]

So the context I'll give you on Tyree Kill, to Craig's point is there's two camps. This is where having an opinion matters because you could look at the same season at different opinions. Some people look at last season for Miami and are like, well, Tyreek Hill was worse. And if you look at statistically he was worse. The argument is, well, the team sucked. Two was hurt and Tyree Kill stopped trying, hence why he wanted to trade. And Tyreek was hurt and Tyree Kills hurt. It's literally started with him being detained like very overeager police in the weedy week one, the whole season nightmare season. Throw it out. And to your point though, about Tyree Kills upside, Greg, I wrote Tyree Kill's blurb. We have our blurbs@fantasy football.the arena.com and I was remind, I reminded myself that in 2023 this season, you're talking about Tyreek Hill didn't just have 1800 yards, he had 1800 yards. Even though the Dolphins had the third fewest passes after halftime that season. So they weren't. They didn't need to throw. If, if Tyree Kill had ran as many routes by yards per route run. If you. Tyree Killed ran as many routes in 2023 as Calvin Johnson did in when the year he set the record, Tyree Kill would have had 3, 000 receiving yards. Like, like, I'm gonna say like he literally had 4 yards per route run. Calvin Johnson when he set the record was like 2.8. So Tyree kill literally, if they were just middle of the pack after halftime, would have had shattered the first receiver to be the first 2,000 yard receiver. That is the upside that you're talking about, Craig. Literally, he was so beyond a 2000 yard pace by any other metric. The question is what happens if the Dolphins dk. I'm curious what you think if the Dolphins start. Oh, and four, do you worry about the vibes of this Team deteriorating and Tyreek maybe wanting a trade back. And it's like, that's the problem to me is like, I don't.

[C]

He's a loose cannon. You know what I mean? That's. That's the problem.

[B]

It has not been a great offseason. I mean, Tyree Kill ended last year saying he wanted out of Miami. Him and tour publicly fighting. Now he's like in practice feuding with.

[C]

The coach in press conferences.

[A]

Tyreek Hills, like they should. They should play the bigger backs in goal line. And Mike McDaniel goes up the next day is like, thanks, Tyreek. Maybe you got that idea for when we practiced with the larger backs at goal line. Maybe.

[C]

Thanks for telling everyone.

[B]

I know that's all fine, but part of me is like, what are they going to. I mean, it's like they don't have a lot of other options. I guess Tyreek Hill could just quiet quit on the team. Sure. But he is going 30th in drafts. You can get Tyree Kill in the middle of the third round.

[A]

Yeah. So to your point, Craig, Ben Gretch, who's really smart guy who, who writes a substack, had a take that basically figuring out the Dolphins one way or the other is the most important thing in fantasy this year. Because the idea is if the Dolphins, you know, our old colleague Kevin Clark's at espn say the Dolphins built for two years ago. And then the flip side is, well, if The Dolphins get 90% of the way there, 85% of the way there to two years ago, Devon Achan should be in the first round and Tyreek Hill should be in the first round, unquestionably in the.

[C]

And Waddle should probably be in like the second round.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So, yeah, no, you're right.

[A]

That's not what I said. So.

[C]

I didn't say that.

[A]

That's not. That's not what I said.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyway, I just.

[B]

I think Tyree Kill is the single best value in the first three rounds of drafts this year.

[C]

I think that's Carlos.

[A]

Carlos. Dolphins fan says Dolphins starting own four would require losing to jets and Patriots, who they've never lost to in the first works of season.

[B]

Well, you know, speaking of the Jets, Tyree Kill is going one spot ahead of Garrett Wilson in drafts. Garrett Wilson has never had more than 1100 yards or seven touchdowns in the season.

[A]

I've decided that I'm going to enjoy Garrett Wilson's talents from a distance this year. I don't know anyone in fantasy who's ever liked having Garrett Wilson, we should have a list of players that are talented that no one's ever liked having.

[B]

I just. There's no scenario in which I'm staring at Garrett Wilson and Tyreek Hill on draft day and I'm selecting Garrett Wilson.

[A]

All right, so we'll move Tyreek Kill into this. I. I think one big tier makes sense, though, because the. The spirit of the tier, I think, is if you walk away with one of these guys as your number two, you're gonna float. What were you saying, dk?

[C]

Well, I was just going to say this is more like a big picture question, I guess. Do you think that the biggest edge in fantasy and has been maybe for the last five years is just. Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated for. For like older veterans. Like, last year was like Mike Evans, he was going really late, over a thousand yards.

[B]

Derek Henry every year.

[C]

Every year. Derek Henry every year. James Connor, every year it feels like his.

[B]

It was the year of the 30 year old. This is what we discussed last year.

[A]

Sometimes I think we backed ass first into the best insight we've ever had in the history of the show, which was all the data about. Again, models have people the. In the underlying metrics and the underlying models spitting out projections have age curves. And I think the best insight we ever had was probably all that data is just outdated. Like all the data on when players tail off is like Le'Veon. Even someone like Le'Veon Bell in like 2017, I don't know if he had a portable hyperbaric chamber. Like, he didn't have the tracker. He didn't have the. Like, even since COVID like Levy Bill didn't have a chip in his pads where they were like kind of monitoring like, you know, they weren't weighing his hamstrings and being like, do your legs weigh the same? Like, the tracking has come a long way in the health, in the heart monitors, the science, how they got sleep, how they get. Like there's been a lot of stuff like even just testing their vision also, like, you know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah. And this is. I don't know how the data is put together. So maybe this is accounted for in a lot of these studies. But it's like the best players in fantasy are fucking outliers. Like, these guys are outliers. It's not like a median type player. They're awesome and so like being awesome for a while.

[B]

Derrick Henry is basically the LeBron James of running backs, right?

[A]

Yes, I. Yeah, he really is. And to the point.

[C]

Remember the Tweet like, thank God LeBron's whatever AG is that he can't keep doing this forever or whatever.

[A]

The third year that he won the.

[C]

Title from like seven years ago, 2018.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God. But yeah, I agree. And also Adam Harstad had a post for like years ago that was basically receivers decline, but until they decline, they don't decline, like, until you see it. And also injuries forget that. You know, comes to sometimes to say older. Like when you're older, injuries actually create the aging process.

[C]

I think it's really noisy data. It's super noisy data. So you can't just make a blanket statement. Once you turn 30, this guy's gonna fucking fall off a cliff. No, it's. Once he turns 30, he might fall off a cliff or he might be a wide receiver too, you know.

[A]

Okay, so Tyree Kill Craig is passionately saying Tyreek Hill's probably underrated. He's probably right. The other guy, I want to say Craig turning on his boy, lad McConkey. I think lads, a really good value this year. Do you feel that way, dk? I'm surprised you wanted him at a lower tier. Cause I think Lad is just as good as.

[C]

I mean, I think he should be included.

[B]

But I. I see DK's point about perhaps the ceiling not being as high, I guess.

[A]

Why not?

[C]

I think he's really good. Here's the deal. Last year he was the wide receiver. 14 on the year he's a rookie. He had a 29% target rate, which was awesome. But again, this is a lower volume passing offense. So actually. Sorry, I was reading the wrong guy. He was actually a wide receiver. 18. 22% target rate. I mean, this. These are just not like elite, elite numbers. He had 82 catches, which was 15th. I. I don't know. I think he. He's awesome. And I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that we should drop him down a lot. I just.

[A]

He had 200 guards in one game in the playoffs.

[C]

He doesn't. I just don't think he belongs in the same tier as like AJ Brown and some of these other guys, Mike.

[A]

Neighbors, but because it's a lower passing volume offense, the Eagles had the lowest passes in the NFL. I don't know. I think that.

[B]

Just saying dk, it's because he's white.

[A]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I actually think lad McConkey. I can't put a guy named.

[B]

His name is Lad.

[C]

His name is. That's why I actually think he's really, really Good.

[B]

He might as well be named Lad Mahonkey.

[A]

He's big.

[C]

Yeah, he might as well be.

[A]

That's actually incredible. Lad McConkey. That's how. How have we never come up with that one before? We made it a year into this guy's career saying that. I think Lad is like straight up a better wide receiver than Garrett Wilson. Straight up.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It's also Garrett.

[A]

No on talent, not on production. Like he's a better player.

[B]

Yeah, I. Lad. All of the underlying metrics, like the route running, all of that stuff. Him versus man, him versus zone is like incredibly good. Him versus man, specifically, which it's always like, all the white guys are great at zone. The white guys are great at sitting in these open pockets. And Zone Loud is phenomenal against man coverage.

[A]

That's why he shredded the Texans in the playoffs. And so I guess just overall, his.

[C]

Name is Andrew, by the way. His middle name is Lad.

[A]

I would go by Lad too. Andrew. Like Lad is Lattice. I wish my middle name is Lad. Well, no, Lad is sick.

[C]

But it also like it caps how high I'm willing to put you in the ranks.

[A]

I think Lad is. I would. I think if you get Lad this year in the third round, it's purely amazing and you're going to get an incredible player.

[B]

How do you guys feel about RJ Harvey's first name actually being Robert?

[A]

That. That's fine because that's a normal one.

[B]

Can I take Robert Harvey? Do you think if he was going by Bob Harvey, he would. He would be as well.

[A]

This is a real thing in Washington, right? Wait, I gotta pull up the guy's name because I keep forgetting it. It's Merritt. What's his name?

[B]

Luke Merritt.

[A]

So Jakorski, Jakory Crosky Merritt in Washington.

[B]

Who the hell's Luke Merritt?

[A]

No, Jakori Crosky Merritt.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

I don't know. And they just call him Bill. He's called Jakory Crosby. His name's not Bill. His middle name's not Bill. It's a bit from when he was a kid. Just called him Bill. Goes by Bill Merritt. His name's Jor.

[B]

Oh, so. And.

[A]

And now the fans love it. So everyone just calls him Bill Merritt.

[C]

So it just reminds me of how there's a guy, one of the scars Guard kids. His name is Bill, which I just find very funny for some reason.

[A]

Bill scars guard. I don't know why anyone our age named Bill is wild. I just think Bill is a Wild eddie. Just being 20. A name bill Is funny.

[B]

I know. Because it's like you. Will is right there. You could just be Will.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I know. I'll let you. A lot of guys named Will. I don't know. None of them go by Bill anymore.

[B]

No. I don't know anybody in their 20s named Bill.

[A]

No.

[C]

No. Right.

[A]

No offense to the people at this company named Bill.

[C]

The people. Alexander Skarsgard, Gustav Skarsgard, Valter Skarsgard, Volt Skarsgard, and Bill.

[A]

This is like how Champ Bailey's brother is named Bob or something. Yeah.

[C]

Also, I think Al. I think Bill Skarsgard looks like. He looks like Joe Burrow.

[A]

Okay. All right. We can't. We can't go down the scars Guard. Where? Rabbit hole. We have. We have.

[B]

We also got an email about a guy who said he named his daughter Margot because of Margot Robbie.

[A]

I did. Yeah.

[B]

And he. And he consistently gets compliments about how pretty of a name it is.

[A]

And I left out how he put in parentheses, please don't tell my wife. Okay, next tier here. I think this is the tier.

[B]

Pretty name.

[A]

I. I would define this tier as I'm no longer thrilled if you're my number one, but I'm going to be really happy if you're my number two. Mike Evans, which maybe that's dumb, but Mike Evans, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Who's on the Seahawks? T. Higgins. The Bengals. Devonte Adams for the Rams. Garrett Wilson for the Jets. Terry McLaurin for Washington, Marvin Harrison Jr. For the Cardinals. And that maybe alone is controversial because he hasn't done it yet, but I figured, fuck it. If you're wondering why McLaurin's here, it's just really simple. It's because Terry McLaurin had by far the most touchdowns of his career. The most in franchise history at 13. But even with that, he only had, like a thousand yards last year for Terry McLaurin. And they added Debo, and it was all just. You're basically betting that Jen Daniels is, like, straight up a top three deep ball thrower in the NFL again. And. Because if Terry McLaurin still has eight touchdowns, it's still a good year, but like a thousand, you know? So dk, I think Jackson, Smith and Jig was the most anonymous of all these guys. A lot of these guys are really famous, like Mike Evans, Devonte McLaurin. Like, can you tell us a little bit why Jackson, Smith and Jiggle should be ranked next to Mike Evans?

[C]

I struggle with this one because I'm not really sure he should you know what I mean? Because I think I worry about his overall upside this year. The Seahawks are going to want to run the ball. Everything they've done over the off season is you know, focused on identity of smash mouth football run the ball. And I think also Jackson Smith Jigba benefited dramatically and greatly from the type of offense the Seahawks ran last year where it was super high pass volume and Geno Smith was hitting him on these little short thing, short routes and he would just run after the catch. Things like that. I don't know if they're going to do a ton of that this, this year in terms of the style of offense they want to run, the style of passing game they want to run. I still think he's going to be really good. But I guess what I'm saying is it would not surprise me If Jackson Smith, IG Jigba doesn't have a hundred catches for 13 or 1100 yards and six touchdowns this year. Just I don't know. It feels like the Seahawks offense is changing so much and, and JSN was sort of perfect for the one that they ran last year and I don't know for sure how he'll look in this one this year.

[A]

How do you feel Craig?

[B]

I feel a little bit more confident. I like JSN this year. I think he's the first true Glansburg of the wide receivers where I don't think he's going to turn any heads when you draft him. I think it's just a combination of like the Seahawks identity, the Darnold unknown, his name, he's just not that famous of a player. He was the first wide receiver taken in kind of a weird year. He was 20th overall but like he had a true breakout last year on a team with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett playing full seasons combined. The only the two of those guys only missed one game last year. He had 100 catches, 1130 yards, six touchdowns and there's now 182 targets up for grab. Cooper cup is in but DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett are gone. The Kubiak offense, I agree with dk, they're going to run the ball more but like I think JSN has a lot of the skills that, that work in a Kubiak offense. I also think he has like the ability to be a number one overall guy. Matt Harmon who's like the best at charting wide receivers said the second half of the year JSN was the most efficient wide receiver versus man basically 5 yards per route run since week 10 versus man coverage, which is a ridiculous number. And so I think the like, play action in breaking outbreaking routes, that type of stuff that they're going to be, that they're going to be running with with JSN is different than stuff that that Ryan Grubb was doing last year in Seattle. I don't know. I think it's going to work. I think the offense is going to be efficient. There's going to be more openings in the passing game. The defense is going to be really good. They're going to be in a lot of close games. I like Seattle this year in general. I'm really big on like year two with these very smart coaches kind of having a second year to implement their system. So I think he's rock solid. I don't. I don't know if I guess the volume will be there to hit for him to be like a top five wide receiver, but I feel confident that he's going to be like the guy and get a ton of targets this year.

[A]

So big picture, this group of players, Mike Evans and Jigba Higgins, Devontae, Garrett Wilson, McLaurin, Marvin Harrison. I just want hope running backs are here instead. Specifically the similar tier of running backs. Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, Ken Walker, maybe for me, less so James Cooker, Breeze Hall. But like, I kind of like those guys better than these receivers. Like, I would rather have Chase Brown and Kyron Williams over all these guys. I will take Devonte, Adams and Evans and in. In Jigba and Higgins over Bree hall and Ken Walk and Ken Walker. But if it's like, I'll take Ken Walker and may probably even Breeze hall over Garrett Wilson. I'll take Ken Walker and Bree hall over, like Terry, unfortunately, just because I think Terry, that would probably be the best season in his career last year. And Marvin, like, I'm underwhelmed by some of these guys. I'm excited about Devonte just because of the Rams, but Stafford's back is kind of freaking me out. Like, I don't know.

[C]

I like Higgins in this group.

[A]

You like Tea?

[C]

I feel like he's the one guy who. I don't know if inappropriately valued is the wrong. Like inappropriate is probably not the right word for it, but it feels like when we look back, you know, at this next. When in December, whatever, and we look back at the rankings, we'll be like, why did we have T. Higgins so low? Because last year, literally the wide receiver, 4 and points per game, 15 points per game. In games that he and Jamar Chase played, he actually out Targeted Jamar Chase108,107. He wasn't getting as, as explosive of, you know.

[A]

That's a great stat though.

[C]

Yeah. I mean and the other thing is just like the offensive environment, it is a pass it to the Italian type of offense where they only kind of focus on those two guys. And I saw this stat from Pat Thorman which definitely checks out and like kind of makes sense in my brain is Joe Burrow had almost two times as many pass attempts inside the five yard line as the next highest quarterback. He, Joe Burrow loves to do his thing, scan the defense. He feels like he can pick them apart every time, you know what I mean? It's the Joe Burrow offense. It's not like they're running some scheme that just like whatever they feel like is the best scheme is like Joe Burrow is running that shit, you know what I mean? And he's going to pass it. Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. T. Higgins, extremely tall, very lengthy arms, catches everything. Has an incredible catch radius like, like him and Dustin. Him and Dickens maybe have make the most ridiculous catches every week.

[A]

Well, Pickens does it out of bounds, but Higgins sure does it in the Silver. Play very fair.

[C]

But I mean, yeah, I think there's obviously the chance that sort of that like stat will regress this year and Joe Burrow, like they'll just like rush for more touchdowns. That's possible. But I don't know man. I'm still wanting to just get every piece of this Bengals offense that I can. I feel like Higgins is way lower than he probably.

[A]

So here's my question. If we added Tyree Kill to that tier that had we made it one mega tier basically from Justin Jefferson to Tyree Kill, which isn't crazy. Should we be adding Mike Evans and T. Higgins into that group? Devonte too? Because we just said why are we banking on the fall off all these guys? I know Mike Evans got hurt last year, came back, someone got to a thousand yards again. I'm in 11 game, 12 games. How many games did Mike Evans even play? Got to a thousand yards. Should we be adding Evans, Devonte Adams, another elite guy in the best situation he's been in in five years with McVeigh and the Stafford and the Rams and then T. Higgins. Should these guys be there too? And we should worry less about these guys and the guys we have questions about of like in Jigba where we haven't seen it. Oh, year over year. Garrett Wilson, where We've never really seen it the way we wanted to. And then Terry McLaurin where we. He's had 13 touchdowns in one year off deep balls. Should that be the next tier of guys we have like, like, like true, like, reservations about? And we move Mike Evans. Devonte.

[C]

I think we need to move the tears. No, because then you just have like, a massive, massive tier. I still feel like pretty strongly I'd way rather have Drake London than T. Higgins, you know, even as much as I love T. Higgins.

[A]

So these are number twos that we. These are twos we feel great about, basically. Well, Evans is in it too. Should Evans be higher?

[C]

Maybe.

[A]

No. Cowards. God hurt. It's like it's gonna be Evans in an abuka.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. We don't really know what's going on with God Godwin, though. Like, there's still some hope. I was reading it the other day. There's still some hope that he'll play with.

[A]

He had a second surgery.

[C]

Probably not gonna happen, but he. I don't think he's like, gonna miss the entire year.

[A]

He's not gonna miss the year. But I'll tell you what happened with Godwin. He's been ranked because the team signed him and everyone interpreted that as a certain degree of health. And then Chris Godwin. It's been reported by Jenna Lani, dsp And Chris Godwin had another surgery. And I just don't. I. That's a tough injury. Dislocated his fucking ankle. Like, what are the odds? Chris Godwin comes back and is like, incredible. I'm sorry, but it's low for this season. Like, it's just a classic. Like, we shouldn't be taking Chris Godwin at market value. I just think that's like. People are just so weird about injuries sometimes anyway.

[C]

But yeah, I mean, it is. I think it. It. It's a fair discussion, but I don't. I don't mind these tiers, honestly.

[B]

No, I agree. I think this is right. T. Higgins is the only one. If you wanted to move him up, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[A]

So tier three, we're gonna lock in as Mike Evans, Jackson Smith and jig. But T. Higgins, Devonte Adams, Garrett Wilson, Terry McLaurin, Marvin Harrison. Are we. Well, we even have time to talk about Martin Harrison right now.

[C]

Do you want to get into the Marvin Harrison.

[A]

I'm fine. He could putting him there, but, like, I actually kind of W him down because I don't want him.

[C]

Marvin Harrison's on The board. Are you taking him above any of those other guys?

[A]

Nope. No chance. I'd rather. I'd rather be wrong and him on someone else's team than.

[C]

He probably doesn't belong in this tier.

[A]

I don't want him. Like, it's emotional. It's not real. It's not reality. I can't handle taking Marvin Harrison, him being bad. I. That is so much more catastrophic to me than him being good on someone else's team. I don't feel like that's an lyric.

[B]

It's funny because last year we did our lessons of the coming out of the 2025 season, and one of the lessons was just, like, zag by the dip. And on that episode, we were like, we should probably just draft Marvin Harrison next year because everybody will be out on him.

[A]

But is it a dip if Marvin Harrison's going, like, 38th? Is that a dip?

[C]

Slight dip.

[A]

It's a dip from last year, but, like, he's going next to fucking Devonte Adams. Is that a dip?

[B]

He's going 40th.

[C]

It is a dip, but I understand.

[A]

It'S a dip from 19th. But why the fuck was he going 19? That was preposterous.

[C]

Yeah, just got a little over our skis.

[B]

That was your point you made on that pod, that you should just buy the dip on people who that was.

[A]

Right. I don't think. When I said that with yourself. I don't think I knew when I saw that that Marvin Harrison's draft capital would still start with, like, a three. I didn't think he'd be going around Chase Brown even close. That's crazy to me. Yeah, I thought he'd be going 60th, and I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. It's worth it.

[B]

Fantasy pros ranking. He's going around James cook, Kenneth Walker, McLaren Camara, DJ Moore, and Hampton.

[A]

Oh, see, that's. Well, Hampton has to be higher, but, yeah, I guess that's about right. Fine. It fine. Harrison could stay in this tier.

[B]

I'm not. I mean, the vibes have not been great. I feel like, oh, Will Johnson. I sent you guys that clip of Will Johnson just throwing him to the ground. I was like, didn't he just add 10 pounds of muscle?

[C]

I know that's makes you top heavy. Craig.

[A]

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[C]

I think it should be cut off at Sutton, personally.

[A]

Sutton? Yeah, I don't think.

[C]

I don't really feel like Worthy's in the same stratosphere I Rice. There's just so many question marks with him in terms of health and his suspension. But I just don't like Sutton and Worthy are. That. That to me is the cutoff point.

[A]

You don't think Jalen Waddle and Xavier Worthy are in the same stratosphere?

[C]

No, not really.

[A]

Really?

[C]

I'm the one who likes Jalen Waddle.

[A]

So Jaylen waddle has broken 20 points three times in two years.

[C]

Yeah, that's how I feel.

[A]

Worthy points than Waddle last year.

[C]

What's that?

[A]

Worthy had more points.

[C]

She Rice was out all year or second half of the year, whatever.

[A]

He's also out going to be out for the first six weeks of this year.

[B]

I generally don't.

[C]

That's what I said.

[B]

I generally don't have huge issues with this tier. Like there's like maybe a player or two I would tweak in it. But generally this is exactly what I have as well.

[A]

Here's my overall take from this tier. I this tier. I don't want to be drafting at the top of it, but I think that this clarified something for me. And this is a lesson. We're going to do lessons from Fantasy Season next week. And one of them I think I wrote down was like, when you draft someone, you're drafting the whole family, you're drafting the whole offense.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

You're getting the coach, you're getting the quarterback, you're in the offensive line. And I half joke that I wish that when you say it, you have to say the quarterback and the coach with every receiver. And I look at these teams and I'm like, you know what if we're going to have 15 guys and they're all vaguely the same and we feel like we have an idea of all of them, I'm like, I am so. Like, I just. The tiebreaker to me feels so obvious. Give me the offenses I believe in. So I look at this group. Do I believe in the coach, quarterback, offensive situation, whatever. Kansas City with Mahomes and Worthy? Absolutely. Do I believe in George Pickens in Dallas where it's Dak Prescott and they're gonna lead the league and pass the Hems? Probably, yeah. Jameson Williams and Lions still? Yes, I do. I do. Still. Sean Payton and bow next to Cortland Sutton I do. Even Devonta Smith, where it's a little more complicated because you're almost betting on an injury to A.J. brown, who got it from the really great. I. But then I look at Chris Olave, who's going to be catching passes from like Spencer Rattler and the Saints in a new offense. I look at the Bears and I kind of. This crystallized to me. I'm out on the Bears this year and that's where I have DJ Bore. I admittedly have at the top of this tier. And I think I decided this week I'm out on the Bears for 20, 25 because I almost think a litmus test I want for receivers is your offense on August 7th still working on being able to motion a tight end across the formation without the snap hitting the guy as he runs. Because if, like, that's what you're focusing on in mid August, I don't want your team. Like, I don't like that. You know what Caleb Williams is actually working on in August, he's still taking snaps under center. I'm. You know what I mean? I just don't want like. I read Cortland Cronin at espn, had a great story this week about the Bears and this one, this quote just stood out to me and she's all these details of what they're going over, but this is a quote from Roma Dunes on the record. I know Ben's off Ben Johnson, the coach of the team. I know Ben's offense isn't just something that you're going to completely have a full understanding of in year one. It's something that takes a little bit of evolving to get there. And I'm like, this isn't going to work in year one and it may be three months in. It'll be good, but I'm just out on the Bears.

[C]

I don't. I don't even think that's. That's not a hot take. I think I understand that completely.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I have struggled to see anybody. It's August 7th. We're taping this right now. Be like, you know what? Bears look awesome. I'm in. Things are going great over there. Caleb seems like he's doing great.

[A]

I think I just want to pre buy the dip for next year in Chicago. Everyone's going to be out on Ben Johnson. Everyone's going to want to like, replace Caleb. And then I will buy all the stock now. I don't see any reason to buy the stock on the Bears now.

[C]

The Ben Johnson bump is a real thing right Now, Now. And I don't know, I still would definitely draft DJ Moore again. If you go back and look at, he's had, like, a 29% target rate over the last, like, three or four years. He is just going to gobble up targets every single year, regardless of who the quarterback is. They love to use him on screens and manufactured touches. There's talk of him being a running back. Like, we've seen snaps of him as a running back. I know that doesn't really matter, but. But the point is more just that they're going to manufacture touches for this guy. So I like DJ More, but for everybody else, I understand the risk. I understand kind of like the apprehension. And I think the Ben Johnson bump is pushing these guys up probably a little bit more than they should. And I'm kind of with you, Heifetz, but at the same time, I do still kind of trust DJ More.

[B]

I think this category is. If this is the third wide receiver on your team, you're feeling good. If they're the second wide receiver on your team, you're a little nervous, right? The guy I like the most out of this category is Ted McMillan, who is. Is going so late. I mean, he's going 58th in draft. He's going as basically the wide receiver. 30. I just think sometimes I think there's a negative connotation to the. The argument of, like, well, someone's got to catch passes in this offense, which. That is the situation in Carolina. But I also just think Tet's really, really good.

[A]

But he was drafted to be the guy. It's not like someone's gonna do it. Ted's like tetroa. They're like, it's. Well, no, it's gonna be him.

[B]

He was drafted 8th overall. And the track record of top 10 wide receivers is they're on average putting up a thousand yards in their rookie season. And a lot of those players are on complicated offenses where they're not the number one wide receiver or kind of like the quarterback coach. Situation's a mess. I feel relatively confident that Bryce Young is going to build on a good second half of last year, Year two of Dave Canales. I'm big on year two seasons with these. With these offensive coordinators. And I just think he's great. I really think he's like a. Like a T. Higgins, Mike Evans, who's even better after the catch, and he fits really nicely with, like, the way Bryce Young throwing down the sidelines, quick slants, all that stuff. I think Ted is going to challenge People for like top 10 in targets this year. And consistently year after year we underrate rookie wide receivers And I think McMillan's just not that famous. I think there was a lot of skepticism about whether or not Arizona. Yeah, he played in Arizona. Nobody really knew what they thought of him. Travis Hunter was so sexy and had all this buzz, but I just think Ted is rock solid and could kind of immediately be a star.

[A]

The truth of the matter is receivers who don't come from the SEC just there's this or Ohio State are just like kind of more anonymous. Like they just are.

[B]

Yeah. So I, and I even think going to Carolina is another like anonymous team that not a lot of people have thoughts on or really think about. But I, I think we don't know.

[C]

If we trust the whole Bryce Young resurgence either. I think is probably part of it.

[B]

Just nobody thinks about Carolina. Yeah, they're just an afterthought team and yeah, I think that's a great pick in this, in this tier.

[A]

My favorite, the other one, we, I think we like, we like Calvin Ridley. I think he's kind of the exception to the two good offenses because I think we all believe Cam Ward actually has a real shot to be impressive as a rookie. And I think we all, I just think again Calvin Ridley is going to be absolutely like force fed to the point where that is everything you need to overcome a rookie who's going to be reckless and just force feeding a receiver is how you overcome maybe a not great offense.

[B]

Yeah, he's being priced like Will Levis is his quarterback. He was on a 1300 yard pace with Will Levis last year. Calvin Ridley.

[A]

Yeah. Isn't it funny to have a thing like that where you're like, Calvin Ridley's going to get 30% of the Titans offense and then like side by side with like Zay Flowers in Baltimore where you're like, he's going to get more like a fifth of the Ravens passing game. That will be mostly Derek.

[B]

I couldn't be less into Zay Flowers.

[C]

Every year gonna say that. I was like when I was looking at our tiers, I was like, I feel like we've maybe got Zay Flowers too high. It's not that I don't like the talent. I think he's a explosive, elusive, like fun player to watch. But he's kind of sloppy, messy, messes up plays, messes up routes, drops passes, things like that. It's just like kind of like a frustrating player, you know. And I think more than most receivers, I guess you could Say this about like the Eagles receivers too, but he gets sort of game scripted out like half the time, you know what I mean? Like, if, if the, if the Ravens get an early lead, which I think they're still going to do a lot of this year, it's like, well, Zay Flowers is fucked. You know what I mean? Like, early. It's the first quarter and they're up by two touchdowns. You're like, oh, God. Well, now they're going to run the ball for the rest of the game. It's going to be really slow. Zay Flowers, basically invisible in the red zone for the Ravens. Last year, he just wasn't a target in the red zone. And I guess that kind of makes sense based on like his body type and everything. But he had a 25% target rate, which was top 10 in the NFL among receivers. But he just never really was utilized in the red zone. And so that really hurt him. He had 74 catches, almost 1100 yards and four touchdowns. I mean, so. And this is on a team that this is. Lamar threw 40 plus touchdowns.

[A]

And here's the difference. To say Flowers when Devonte. Devonte Smith's in a similar situation. Incredible offense, great running game, but you get to the red zone and the red zone, Jalen hurts, then Saquon, then A.J. brown. DeVontae Smith doesn't exist. The difference is if Dallas Goddard gets hurt, Devontae Smith's like a top 12 receiver. Like, and that's Bears out. If AJ Brown is hurt, like Dev is like a top 12 receiver when Zay, like if Rashad Bateman or Mark Ages get hurt, Zay Flowers doesn't fill that role. So the upside isn't really there with him.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And that's the difference is like devonte Smith is actually like elite when someone else is hurt. So I think we should probably.

[C]

He felt kind of like the least. He felt out of place in this.

[B]

He has no juice. I mean, you could argue he's the sixth option in the red zone. It's like Lamar running the ball, Derrick Henry running the ball. You have two good tight ends that can catch touchdowns. Mark Andrews, Isaiah likely. Rashad Bateman caught a lot of touchdowns last year.

[C]

It's like, yeah, DeAndre Hopkins now.

[A]

Yeah. You know what? Honestly, let's move. I'm down to move, say Flowers down a tier. And then I also have Crystal Lobby lower than everyone else. Just because I just, I just, I.

[B]

Don'T want any part of the Saints.

[A]

You can't convince me to have Olavi's Injury history with the Saints.

[C]

Also give me Rashid Shahid like four or five.

[B]

I have the lava out of this tier. He's not in here.

[A]

Olavi. The other thing with the Saints, Jalen hurts quietly. If he's like a king maker. The amount of people who've gotten a coaching job because Jalen hurts won like enough that they were hired. I'll just say Kellen Moore is respected. On. I'm just saying Kellen Moore was fired. Fired. Got to do the Eagles offense and just got a head coaching job. And I'm not saying anyone could have.

[C]

Done that, but like going the other way with it. I will say I think there is some reason to have a little bit of interest in the Saints because they play so fast.

[A]

They put you like them.

[B]

Yeah, he does.

[C]

I. I'm. What I'm doing is being contradictory or whatever. Like contrarian. Contrarian. I. I don't necessarily like them. However. Things I've been hearing.

[A]

You're obsessed.

[C]

Things I've been hearing lately include. Kellen Moore was showing the team clips of the Pacers. You guys can tell me more what that means, but basically the.

[B]

The basketball team.

[C]

Yeah, the bottom line is like lots of plays, like play fast, all that stuff. I think their offense is going and have his offenses in the past have very frequently been this way.

[B]

That kind of gives me the.

[C]

Tons of plays.

[A]

Tons of plays.

[B]

It gives me a huge, huge showing them the Indiana Pacers.

[C]

Oh, that's.

[A]

You know who I have huge doubts about being able to play fast? Spencer Rattler.

[B]

Tyler Schuck.

[A]

I have more.

[C]

I have more faith in Spencer Rattler than Chuck, to be honest.

[A]

That's my issue.

[C]

I'm just. I'm not. I'm not necessarily like bullish on them for fantasy. I think Rashid Shahid is a good pick, like a four or five rounds.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[C]

But I'm staying away from Olave for the. For the vast majority because, you know, not only is there concussion risk, but just the offense is probably again, that.

[A]

Ohio State group text between Garrett, Wilson, McLaurin and. And God, dude, seriously, they must be miserable. Okay, the next tier here, we're moving, say, Flowers down. I think. That's right. We have.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This tier is also large. But I want to start with Roma Dunes is going very high in drafts. And I just keep thinking, are these guys really a tier below Roman Dunes? And I was like, no, these guys are in the same tier as Roma Dunes. Zay Flowers. Roma Dunes. Jacoby Myers for the Raiders. Debo Samuel for Washington, Jerry Judy for The Browns. Ick ick. Jaden Reed for the Packers. Jordan Addison for the Vikings. He suspended three games and a rookie quarterback. Ricky Parasol for the Niners. Juwan Jennings for the Niners. I moved him up back up because his calf injury. He might be holding in. Emilio Buka for the Bucks. Matthew golden for the Packers. Diggs for the Patriots. Kalisha Kir for the Bills. Michael Pittman for the Colts. Darnell Mooney for the Falcons. I know that's a large tier 2 but I keep thinking is Mike like Michael Pittman? We've memory hold this. Michael Pittman a year ago was the 35th pick in drafts. Is he a tier below Roma Dunes? I'm like fuck no, no. Like you know what I mean? I, I, I. You could rank these guys how you want. Even Darnell Mooney with a shoulder injury. Khalil Shakir in the Bills. I'm like, these guys are all. You're kind of dart throwing. I think the Niners are the best bets and it depends on how you feel about Jennings as his calf. Whether his calf injury is. Greg Rosenthal and NFL Daily pointed out that Kyle Shanahan said that yeah, you gotta be delicate with those Cavs kind of implying that well, maybe John Jennings setback was actually because he wants more money. Which I kind of immediately was like, yeah, probably should figure that out.

[C]

That would make sense. I like adun. I'm just going to say I think you're just talking about buying the dip. Buy the dip on a top 10 pick. I don't know.

[A]

Is it a dip if he's 20 spots above where he went last year?

[C]

It's. We're talking about tier five of the receivers.

[A]

It's.

[C]

He's very cheap for a top 10 pick. I think that's true.

[B]

This is the tier of like start getting the rookies, start getting your abukas, your Matthew Goldens. I'm considering Ricky Pierce hall kind of a rookie. He's probably my favorite pick out of this round. I just think the Niners are projected for the third most points in the league. They have the easiest schedule in the league. And even last year with how much of a disaster that season was, it's like all right, Kittle was a number one tight end. Juwan Jennings even was the wide receiver 30. Ricky Pierce, all right, now is ranked as the wide receiver 42. I mean Purdy in this offense when it is humming is able to keep a lot of guys afloat. 20, 23 Debo Top 10 wide receiver. Iuk Top 15 wide receiver. Kittle Top 5 wide receiver Debo's gone. Iuk's not going to start the season playing Juwan Jennings has a calf injury. Maybe that's fake or whatnot. Ricky Pierce hall has not been healthy for his career. He's healthy right now and he's practicing and he is going to be the guy on this team and for all.

[A]

Of training camp and being 100 honest what people need to see a white receiver is good before they believe it Just being honest And I think Ricky Parasol he's also a weird prospect in a Florida because he was old in a transfer and because he was there with like Ayuk yeah and or sorry Jaden Daniels at Arizona State but I I think this is a great call with Parasol but to your point he.

[B]

Easily the best pick.

[A]

He obviously had a lost rookie season. He was shot he had all these.

[C]

Issues and then he was really posting a big numbers late in the season.

[B]

Though he led the Niners yards per hour run versus man last year which I agree that straight up how good are you against another player? He was the best on the Niners last year.

[A]

Parasol to me is the clear target here. DK my question to you because you said you're higher on the Bears than me I can tell because I'm kind of getting depressed stressed about the Bears.

[C]

I'm not saying I'm low high on the Bears would you rather highly talented.

[A]

Player but we have DJ Moore 45th and we have a Dunes a 69th. It's kind of funny. Would you rather have a Dunes a 69th or DJ Moore 45th?

[C]

Probably Odunze just because I think yeah the the value there I think is there if he ends up being and a lot of people are talking about this and you know it's a stretch probably but like the Amon Ra St Brown role in this offense where you're just getting peppered with targets run after the catch. If Odunze sort of is that guy instead of DJ Moore or Luther Burton or whoever Colson Loveland then I think he's going to be a massive value again he's a top 10 pick and he had a knee injury last year so I think we're forgetting how good.

[A]

He is and I I think sometimes we need to take the horrific rookie seasons and just delete them and be like this is kind of Caleb and Roma Dunes's rookie season in Chicago like this is kind of the rookie year.

[C]

I think if I'm looking at this tier though there's a couple guys I really like I'm with you guys on Pearsall. I think that's a great, you know, flyer at this point. Obviously it's a super value. He could, he could end up being a top 24 wide receiver. I really like Jacoby Myers here. I just think he's the forgotten man. He's a, he's a Glansburg. No one fucking cares about him because he, for his first three years he didn't score a touchdown or whatever. But I think he's a really good player and they're going to funnel passes to him and Bowers and this offense is going to be better than you think. I really like Jacoby Myers in this range and I really like a Mecca Buka from Tampa Bay. I just think you can't, you can't open up Twitter Blue sky without five people talking about how fucking awesome a book has looked at camp reporters. Baker Mayfield, apparently in an interview just brought him up unprompted. He's like, this guy's awesome. And I think, you know, especially with Godwin's status in the early part of the year kind of up in the air, it's going to be Evans, Ibuka, and you know, to a lesser extent, Jalen McMillan. But everything I've heard about him and going back to my evaluation for him, I really, really liked him. He's just a professional route runner, really good hands, great blocker. You know, everything you hear about him, he's a great guy and is just going to, you know, impress the coaches and earn their trust. I really like Ibuka at this spot too. And I think Baker's the type of quarterback is going to feed guys that he likes. And I think there's some potential for volume there.

[B]

Once you get this late in drafts, start taking wide receivers that were drafted in the first round, hold on to them. Matthew Golden Abuka.

[C]

Yeah, golden is a good one. Yeah.

[A]

We talked before the draft that Ibuka was a really, really, really rare kind of player where nobody thinks he's going to be ever be at any point the best player in the league. And yet if you passed 32 scouting departments, which player in this year's draft is most likely to play like 10 years in the league and be a captain and a winner? Everyone would have picked a Buuka always. No one thinks it will fail.

[C]

He's the all time leading receiver at Ohio State, but no one thinks he's gonna fail.

[A]

No one's like, boring injury. No one's like, yeah, he's not good enough to play in the NFL. Like, no one Thinks that is the downside. Like, and that. Which is a really underrated thing. Like, everyone's like, he's the highest floor receiver prospect that doesn't have an elite ceiling that I can remember kind of coming through the draft. Like, usually if you don't elite ceiling, people are like, you might not make it. No one thinks the booker won't make it. So he went in the first round. Yeah. So the other one I asked you, speaking of receivers in the first round, Matthew golden for the Packers. I am inadvertently the highest person in fantasy at Matthew Gold, which is not really my plan. I just kind of ranked him and.

[B]

Realized how did I end up here, huh?

[A]

I literally, like, I just don't. I didn't realize that I'm just higher on my. I have. I think I'm like, yeah, 80th pick, sure. And I kind of looked around thinking it'd be consensus some place has got him 120th. And I'm like, what the. Like, I don't. And I guess it's just a function of. I think when yards per route run gets factored from college into models for rookie year, it's kind of like, oh, it wasn't that good. I'm like, I don't think this accounts for the transfer portal. I don't think this accounts that Matthew golden switched teams and offenses. The other thing I don't think is being counted. Everyone's like, well, the packers rotate their receivers and like they all play and legitimate. Reed would play and Christian Watson would play and Don Taven Wicks would play and Romeo Dubs would play. And I'm like, all right, well, Watson's. I don't think he's going to play in the entire regular season. And then I'm looking around, I'm like, if Battle Fleur was so happy with his I have no number one receivers. We're going to rotate everyone. I don't think the packers would have drafted a receiver in the first round for the first time in 20 years.

[C]

Like, clearly, like making the picks though, to be clear. Yeah, but I mean he might have a. He might have a voice in it.

[A]

Sure. But here's. I think his allowed. I guess, here's my question. Maybe I'm wrong.

[C]

I think it's an assumption to assume. It's assume either way. I guess. I don't. We don't know for sure that this was his pick.

[A]

There's doubt. No, that. No, that's true. I'm not saying it's just his pick. I guess my question is, do you Think the Packers would spend a first run pick on wide receiver if they don't think he would play in two receiver sets?

[C]

No, I, I think he will play in two or three sets. Yeah.

[A]

Well, then I think everyone's wrong about what he's being projected for. Cause I think Matthew Golden's the leading receiver for the Green Bay Packers.

[B]

Yeah, that's the other thing is the, the other receiver people like the most on Green Bay is Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed does not play in two wide receiver sets. Straight up.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, he only plays in three wide receiver sets. So then it's really, it's like Romeo Dobbs, Christian Watson's not playing, and Don Tavian Wicks, and I think dontavian Wicks. Like, we kind of know what he is at this point. And Romeo Dobbs is a very solid player. I would say more of a high floor than a high ceiling guy. Yeah, it's like they picked it. When's the last time the packers picked a wide receiver in the first round?

[C]

2002.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, we're overthinking it. I think we're overthinking it. This is, everyone says for all at the same people who spent 10 years saying in fantasy football, the most underrated asset are receivers drafted in the first round. You have a 50, 50 shot of them vastly upper running the draft slot. Green Bay, with one of the smartest head coaches in the entire NFL, takes a receiver for the, in the first round for the first time in 20 years, and then no one wants him because, well, this guy's numbers are bad. I'm like, I don't give a shit. Nat LaFleur has an idea.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

[C]

I, yeah, I understand what you're saying. And I think it's probably the right move to zig while everyone else is zagging or whatever and like, just buy, buy him and, and believe in it. But I, I, I'm just, again, I'm just looking at the packers distribution of target rates. Last year. No, none of the receivers were above 17.

[A]

No, I agree. I think that's why he's projecting.

[C]

That's a brutal place to live.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[C]

I just.16 had the highest target rate among receivers on the team. Don Tavian Wicks.

[A]

But that's, but here's the thing. That's why I think Matthew Goldman's drafted. Just think they're sick of, they don't have anyone in third down.

[C]

I mean, I think, yes, I, to be, to be clear, I think Matthew golden will lead the team in like receiving. But I'm still worried there's going to be so much other, so many other people that it's just going to like really cap a ceiling. But that being said, he's still good value where he is.

[B]

I mean, he's going over the answer to 30th.

[C]

I'm not against taking him. I'm just like, this is why people are worried about the packers right now.

[B]

We have him ranked Hivetz and I have him in the late 80s DKM in the early 100s. But like in Fantasy Pro's rankings, he's 130th. He is going around guys. So we're above, we're way, way above. I mean he's going around guys like Christian Kirk and Jerome Ford and Rashad Bateman.

[A]

Yeah, Rashad Bateman and Matthew Golden. I'm like, I, to me it's very clear. Like, yeah, I actually, I also kind of like Rashad Bateman.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

I think Rashad Bateman's people for. Yeah. Anyway, so that's the fear.

[C]

I'm out on Bateman.

[A]

Any other. Well, everyone's out this way you could get a shot, baby. 150th. Honestly, sometimes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The. So any other thoughts on anyone from this tier?

[C]

Mooney. Mooney's kind of an interesting one.

[A]

I'd have Darnell Mooney higher. If he has the shoulder injury, stop practicing. Dargill Mooney is also like a very easy. Like he's probably just the single most anonymous receiver that's actually like totally startup on fantasy football. We'll see what happens with the injury. We need him to come back. Pittman's gross, but I think Pittman's viable.

[C]

Pittman's a good player.

[A]

70 spots is enough to fall. He felt 70 spots. I think you don't have to punish him more. Okay, next tier here. This is where I get really freaked out if I have to play any of these people.

[C]

Right, right.

[A]

So my fantasy overall strategy, if you've made it this far into the show, I really would like you to have all of your receivers except one by now. I personally think right around now when you get to like, let's call it I, the, the I think five of the top 50 receivers or so it's a good rule of thumb because the next guys, if you have to, if you have to like play these guys in September, I'm a little squirrely. Chris Godwin for the Bucks who is ranked here. But really he'll be drafted before because I, I, we're I'm more worried about his injuries and I'm dragging down on rankings. I. I think Chris Godwin's not gonna be Hollywood Brown. I'm higher on him than others. But Cooper cup for the Seahawks who might be washed. Josh Downs for the Colts where it's just a ppr.

[C]

Very good player in a Ponzi really questionable offense. Yeah.

[B]

Can I just say Josh Downs. I feel like this off season it's. It was decided that Josh Downs is like Antonio Brown. Everybody is like, Josh Downs is one of the best wide receivers in the league. He's just on a bad team and doesn't get enough targets. But I didn't realize that. I guess when you look under the hood, Josh Downs is like one of the best players in the NFL.

[A]

Yeah, he's. He's good, but the same way an indie band kind of just everyone laughs like glowing.

[B]

My sources say Josh Downs really good player.

[A]

Been listening to some shows. Yeah. Dk. Yeah.

[C]

When I was reading on the Internet.

[B]

My sources the podcast I'm listening to which are free and available for anybody. Those they love Josh Downs.

[A]

Rashid Shahid for the saints as DK mentioned is I'd rather have Rasheed Sheed 110th and Chris Olave like 50th. I don't really like that idea. Brandon Auk for the Niners. I mean we should move him down lower. He's here out of respect, but I don't Brandon A. I think he's gonna start season.

[C]

It already feels like a lost season for iuk. Yeah.

[A]

Keon Coleman for the Bills who I actually Keon Coleman tests my limits of. I know you should probably bet on second year guys like DK is probably right about Roma Dun. I'm being dramatic. Roma Dunc is probably a great pick this year. Keon Coleman test my limits as a bill of a player that I am. I just saw him play and he's not good. Keon Coleman was a project coming to the league. He's still a project. The idea was Keon Coleman by year three or maybe year four would be an NFL player. Ken Coleman's like not an NFL player right now. And he's an epitome of if he was a fifth round pick, he would be maybe not on the team, but he's a first round pick so he's going to play. And I. I don't think he's that bad.

[C]

But I, I see what you're saying.

[A]

I'm fine. He'd be a dep. He wouldn't. He would rotate in at Best if he was a fifth round pick, who wouldn't play?

[C]

I think he flashed. He flashed last year.

[B]

He led the Bills in target share when he played last year.

[C]

Yeah, I think, I think you, you're overall correct in this. I don't think you should take him in fantasy.

[A]

Fine.

[C]

You're kind of being a little bit dramatic on how he's not a bad player.

[B]

I think he can't separate his whole thing. Like he literally has trouble getting open but he's.

[C]

Yeah. Like the role that he plays in, in this offense is I think pretty static because there's a lot of people who thought he might be best inside where he can have a little more space, run after the catch. All that stuff that was like a big part of his appeal I think is just like he's a great athlete, big guy. Or like he's like a long striding. He can run away from people, all that.

[A]

He's the money ball. Like looks great and like we're not selling jeans here. Like he's a great. Yeah.

[C]

They have Dalton Kincaid who they took in the first round and Khalil Shakir who is an awesome slot receiver. And they're not going to put Keon Coleman most of the time in the slot and take Khalil Shakir off the field. So to me it just like doesn't feel like Keon Coleman's going to make a huge leap this year. I could be wrong about that. But also for the record, I was like way higher on a Tuesday than Keon Coleman. So there's another.

[B]

And they have it. I mean the Bills also have a 25 year old juggernaut they acquired this year also playing outside receiver for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh yeah. I was like who's he talking about? Josh Palmer.

[A]

Yeah, he would come for his lunch. Yes. We have Ken Coleman. Yeah. The fact that I hate him that much probably just. And also he's the most likable player. It's just the ratio of like Internet fame to like on field production for Keon Coleman. Xavier Leguette is just like the biggest in the history of the NFL.

[B]

We, we do this. So this year. Hi Vids. We have to, we have to make it official every year. Most of your opinions are very smart and great, but we should have the all Costanza. Well, every year the thing that Heifetz is the most passionate about, the thing that Heifetz starts to take personally is always completely wrong. I avoiding Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase last year, but again like 80 of the things he says usually are Right. But the number one thing that starts to affect him is wrong. You need to, like, hive. It's. I want you to build up to it this year and announce what it is in an episode.

[C]

What do you feel most strongly about.

[B]

That you're out on the show. What is the thing that has, like, infected your heart?

[A]

Baker Mayfield going 70th is preposterous.

[B]

He's gonna be great.

[A]

Like, it's Baker. Baker's gonna win the mvp. We should bet on Baker, because Baker. The idea that Baker Mayfield should go, like, 70 spots out of CG Stroud is ridiculous to me. Like, that is objectively wrong. And so he's. Baker's gonna win mvp.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Real, real quick, before we move on from this tier, I heard Nick Underhill, who does a great job covering the Saints, talking about Rashid Shahid and Chris Olave, and there's, like, times where he's watching them and he can't tell who's better. Like, there's. There's days where he thinks Rashid Jahid is, like, the best receiver on the team, and then there's, of course, days that Olave does awesome things. But I just think Rashisha Heat's such a value where he is. He's coming off an injury, but we've seen it in the past. Like, he is so efficient, so explosive. He just. He's one of those guys, again, who was a. I think undrafted free agent. People just don't really forget that. You just can't really buy that they're actually good until. Yeah, a really long time where they've proven it kind of deal. And so I just think Rashid, she's really good.

[A]

Great call.

[C]

And so he's a great value there.

[A]

The other. We got Christian Kirk, who I keep forgetting is on the Texans, and I just keep forgetting it, but he. Christian Kirk's probably a great example of a vet that won't matter that much in the season as a whole. But, like, Christian Kirk might just quietly be a top 14 receiver by week five. And you're like, what? But he just is a professional. And Nico Collins is there. Tank down is, like, probably not going to play this season. And the other guys in Houston are like rookies. And you're like, oh, Christian Kirk probably the number two to begin this season. I don't know. Jaden Higgins probably takes that role later. But, yeah, Kirk is just a great. Boring, boring. Adam Thielen, another Houston. Jalen McMillan for the Bucks. Higgins, the neck. And then, yeah, the next tier. Any of you guys from the tier? I'm Talking about.

[C]

I just, I think taking Higgins is probably a smart move. I. I think I saw that he was playing in their two receiver sets. He's like hammering already.

[A]

34Th pick in the draft. So take him. That's. That's where. I mean, that's kind of. That's where like lad McConkey went. I'm not saying this year's receiver class was anything like last year's receiver class. It certainly wasn't.

[C]

But it's the same discussion we're having where I think people are worried about Houston last year we were worried about the Chargers running the ball too much, whatever. But Higgins is a highly drafted rookie. High, high, high, second round, just like I think McConkey was. And then you're attached to a really.

[B]

Good quarterback that might throw the ball a ton. Like the Texans aren't going to be able to run the ball right.

[A]

Carlos just texted the group and said that my actual strongest take this year, Anthony Richardson being the best buy low in this defense.

[C]

Oh, no. So Anthony Richardson probably by Daniel Jones.

[A]

Anthony Richardson. Yeah. Daniel Jones just starts 17 games.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Top six quarterback. No, because that would be being half Right. Okay, next tier. I. I couldn't even separate these guys.

[C]

I don't feel like you have to at this point.

[A]

Real me. Dubs for the Packers. Marvin Mims on the Broncos. Trey Harrison the cheat on the Chargers. Cedric Tillman for the Browns. Quentin Johnson. The Chargers, Jalen Coker for the Panthers. Quentin Johnson should be about Trey Harris, I think, but Coker for the Panthers. Luther Burden on the Bears, Xavier Leg for the Panthers. Wanda Giants, Josh Palmer, Megatron for. You know, Craig. I don't want to read the rest of these guys. DeAndre Hopkins is on the Ravens now, like Jack Bash is a rookie for the Raiders. Pop Douglas the Patriots, like Kyle Williams for the Patriots. There's all these guys like Pat Brian and the Broncos. Is there a Keenan Allen for the Chargers?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which maybe we should pop up.

[C]

We should probably rip them up a bit.

[A]

Yeah. Is there any guy here we can move Keaton Allen to the tier with Christian Kirk, but dk, is there any guys here that pop up to you?

[C]

Luther Burden. Not again. I'm. I'm not. This is like you saying, not purposely doing. I'm not purposely like touting the Bears. I just.

[A]

The Bears and Saints, those are your teams this year, right?

[C]

Accidental touting. I'm trying to see. I guess Palmer has been getting a lot of good buzz in camp.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[C]

You know, I can't ignore it because. And especially because Craig loves him. Demario Douglas. If you're in PPR leagues, it's. It's kind of like the Wandale Robinson vein of.

[A]

Of.

[C]

Of assets, like, where he's probably not going to make any big plays, but he's going to catch a lot of passes and get a lot of targets. I think he could be a flex option for you in. In off weeks or whatever. In bi weeks. And let's see here. That's about it. Honestly, I. I don't want any of these guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I want Luther Burden very badly. I think that guy's awesome. I just think if there's any of these guys will become a top 10 wide receiver by the end of the year. I think the only one on those list is Luther Burton, where you're like, holy shit. This guy is immediately one of the most electric players in the league.

[C]

Craig, did you see what number he is?

[B]

No. What is it?

[C]

87.

[B]

Whoa. That's weird.

[A]

Old school. That's sexy. No, Craig, it's not. You know what the problem is? The new receivers are so young. They don't remember receivers who wore the 80s, so they think they've, like. They were inventing it like, the same way. Like Odell. Kind of. Odell Beckman was like the first receiver to go to the teens, and then they all started doing it. They don't remember when all the receivers were 80s, so they. It's like retro to them. It's like throwing.

[B]

Weren't they growing up when, like, Dez Bryant was wearing 88, though, and stuff like that?

[A]

He's the. He was the last one.

[C]

Yeah, he was. Mason looks fat and slow.

[B]

Oh, good. Lower the value.

[A]

I just.

[C]

I'm just saying 87 is a rough number.

[B]

Fat and slow.

[A]

It looks like a tight. No, you look like a tight end.

[C]

No offense, Travis.

[A]

That's why you always want. You watch the Bengals. You think he gets the tight end because he's the last great receiver who wears 80 anything?

[C]

Yeah. Travis Kelsey's 87.

[B]

Yeah. I love it. That's sick. I just think is, like, easily one of the most.

[A]

Luther Burden's gonna be a problem. He's gonna be a burden.

[B]

Gonna be a problem.

[A]

It's gonna be a burden.

[B]

He might be more of like a Dynasty selection. He's gonna be a burden.

[A]

Yeah. We even mentioned Darius Slate, which is funny because he's probably deserves it. But Craig's right. Like, at this point, you should be being like, where is Pukinakua? Like, it doesn't matter where these guys are, like, Playable or whatever. It's like there's a lot of playable receivers on a weekly basis. Which one of these guys could destroy leagues? Luther Burden's on there. Marvin Mims. If he played more Marvin Mims per snap is work. But he doesn't play that much.

[B]

No Marvin Mims.

[A]

I will just say I will hoover up Marvin Mims off the waiver wire. I like Pat Bryant is suddenly starting.

[B]

Little bit of me likes Pat Bryant.

[C]

A little bit of me like Cedric Tillman here.

[A]

Do you know Ted Lasso with the gag reflex?

[C]

He's like when he tries to drink the tea and he just spits it all over everybody.

[B]

DK recommending Saints and Bears number or Saints and Browns number two wide receivers.

[C]

I love it. We're in tier seven. No, actually, I think it's mislabeled. This is tier eight.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I could said two tier fours.

[B]

This tier is when like half the draft is like half of your friends have already left and they're.

[A]

Yeah, it's autographed. Yeah, they're just hammered. Scrambling their phones, scrolling.

[B]

This is when like most your friends are like, I don't know any. Who any of these people are.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's the thing. You're listening to the show. You're so ahead of everyone. Just because we just said all these names. And most people.

[C]

Ezekiel Elliott gets drafted.

[A]

Most of your friends are.

[C]

Zeke's still out there.

[A]

We're like reminding you DeAndre Hopkins at Baltimore. I think most people show up to the draft login are like, Devonta's on the Rams.

[B]

They're like, who is Jalen Coker?

[A]

Dude. Yeah, his name's Coker.

[C]

The cokeheads.

[A]

I hardly know her. Okay. All right. Oh, any other receiver thoughts before we go to a couple emails? Any other receiver. My thing is just like I think you want as a loose guy, not a hard fast rule. I think half of your first 10 picks should be receivers. And you'll probably don't hard and fast rule. But like, keep that in mind as you're rolling because it gets the cliff is kind of like. Yeah, it comes really faster than you. Oh, well. Fuck. Oh, cut that. God damn it. Fuck.

[C]

Normalize.

[B]

Sometimes you normalize it. You just pulled an astronomer CEO there. Where I think if you just played that cool, it would have been fine.

[A]

If I said it comes faster than you think you guys would.

[B]

I just think if you blew right.

[C]

I would have thought it and not said anything.

[A]

I. Yeah, it reminds me. Yeah.

[C]

You just astronomer CEO'd that thing I.

[A]

Pulled so Then everyone was like, yeah, if you just kill.

[B]

You just played that cool. Act natural.

[A]

Any other receiver thoughts? Mine's like, just take a lot in the first 120 picks and then take one at most after that.

[B]

I just want to be one of those teams this year that has like two or three fucking awesome wide receivers. That just sounds great.

[C]

The fantasy version of taking smelling salts, right? Plugging them into your lineup.

[A]

Well, to your point, if it's an auction draft, if you can just get two of the top 12 guys and you're like, yeah. If you're literally, if you're able to be like, yeah, I got Jamar Chase, maybe this is a little unrealistic, but if, if you just. Man, imagine for a second if you actually got Pukinakua, Brian Thomas and Drake London. Because you know Drake London falls to the third round. If lad McConkey falls to the third round, you're like, that's like, lad McConkey could be in your flex. That's a real thing.

[C]

We didn't talk about Drake London, but real quick, just to add on Drake London, man, he could go off this year. I remember we used to make fun of him. He might be the wide receiver one.

[A]

Overall, we haven't talked about Drake London.

[B]

But like Drake London, man.

[A]

No, I agree. Drake.

[B]

I agree. Sick. Michael Pennix might be Jameis Winston 2.0.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Drake London was the wide receiver one when Pennock started. Yeah, I'm in on the Falcons offense.

[B]

I'm in on Pennix.

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Okay, guys, want to do a couple emails?

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Let's do it. Sure.

[A]

This is from Andrew A.

[C]

Bone. Andy Drewski.

[A]

Gentlemen, I have a low stakes conspiracy theory that is insanely specific. But I'm convinced Of love these. So he lives near the Turtle Back Zoo in Essex County, New Jersey. And the context is it's a really insanely impressive zoo for a local county zoo. They have a lot of really crazy animals. And he says the Turtleback Zoo claims to have a 20 year old black bear named Jelly. He says, I signed up as a.

[C]

Member, claims I know where this is going.

[A]

He says, I signed up as a member of the zoo.

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We've never seen him. There's no fair. He's sleeping.

[C]

He says, claims to have a bear.

[A]

He says I have unlimited access to the world in my backyard as a member of the zoo because my son loves to see the animals. So we go to the zoo two or three times a month for a couple years now. And tucked away in the back corner of the zoo, past the cheetah and laboratory Labrador retriever exhibit. Well, yes. Not Nandi the cheetah has a therapy dog named Bowie in their Labrador retriever exhibit. No, the cheetah has a friend who's a Labrador retriever.

[C]

I've seen this.

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The cheetah and the Labrador are best friends.

[B]

They had a bunch of dogs in.

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The zoo and I was like, what's up?

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So there's a large wooded enclosure for the black bear with an electrified fence, multiple viewing spots. Not once in three years of going to this visit have we ever seen the bear.

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The bear ain't real.

[C]

It's like, it's just like your old neighbor that you only see once a year. They never mark them out.

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No matter the time of year, no matter the time of day.

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Wizard of Oz, We've got a bear.

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He says they don't even have a feeding schedule posted like they do for almost all the other animals. I've asked multiple docents at the zoo if they've ever seen Jelly. Is that people at museums? Is that what they're called?

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I don't know.

[A]

I've never said that word.

[B]

I've never heard that word in my life.

[A]

Like a museum. Like docent?

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No, like volunteers.

[A]

It's like people retire and they're like, oh, I'm gonna volunteer at the zoo.

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How do you spell that word?

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D, O, C, E, N, T. Like a docent.

[C]

No, I've never heard of that word.

[A]

No, it's like a. Museums have them. I didn't know zoos have.

[C]

Nope, nope.

[A]

Okay. Volunteers at the zoo. A.

[C]

No, it's not your fault.

[A]

Multiple volunteers at the zoo.

[B]

No, it's not a word.

[C]

Volunteers.

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That's better. Employees.

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I know what that word means. All right.

[A]

Zoo workers. I didn't write the email. I didn't write this.

[B]

My low stakes conspiracy is that Docent's not a real one. He made that up.

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He's like Shakespeare. He's slipping in new words.

[B]

I have a theory about this bear. Continue.

[A]

The bear died. To think the bear died. Okay.

[C]

So they didn't want to get in trouble.

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I.

[B]

The bear. The bear definitely died like four years ago. And they just don't want to tell anybody.

[A]

I've asked multiple employees at the zoo if they've ever seen Jelly. The answer is always like, yeah. Or like, ah, shy. May. So he says. In May of this year, there's a report that Jelly had actually escaped her enclosure because one of the gates was open. It was reported within five minutes. She was found and returned to her enclosure. However, this happened before the park opened. She never accessed the public area.

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She goes to a different school though.

[A]

Exactly. She can. You don't know her. No. No news articles or press releases about the escape have any photos of the bear. I believe this article is a deep zoo conspiracy to hide the fact that he thinks beloved Jelly is no longer with us. On top of this, in the summer of 2024, there was a bear loose in the same South Mountain Reservation park in which the zoo resides. And in June, the police had to kill the bear when it attempted to attack a woman.

[C]

We can't be getting all kinds of negative press about our escaped bear.

[B]

No.

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Why am I? Is it possible that Jelly escaped from the zoo? The zoo does not want to be liable for the escape and almost murder of this woman by the bear. So the ruse that the bear still lives at the zoo.

[B]

This is so good. It goes all the way to the top. This is so good.

[C]

I believe this.

[A]

At Aaron Rodgers level, he attached all the news.

[B]

This is nanobots in the vaccine level. Conspiracy. And I'm 100% in on it.

[A]

We are. I am going to post on Blue sky and I'll put on Instagram story. If I'm old enough I can figure out how to put links on Instagram stories. I will put. He sent all the links to Jelly escaping the zoo.

[C]

This guy's got like a map up on his. Like a bulletin board at his house with like lines attaching the other ones. He's like putting it all together.

[A]

There is no zoo. There is no bear at the zoo. There's no way.

[B]

No way.

[C]

We gotta fucking go to the zoo.

[A]

We gotta.

[C]

How far away is the zoo from New York? We're going to New York in a couple Weeks.

[A]

Call where we should contact them and be like, hey, we're going to be in New York in a couple of weeks for a live show. Can we see the bear?

[B]

Send me a picture of the bear with a newspaper of today's date.

[C]

Bear proof of life.

[B]

I need with a magazine of today's date.

[A]

How long? Essex County Turtleback Zoo.

[B]

It's not that far.

[C]

Theater, dude, it's less than an hour.

[A]

Oh my God. It's an hour. Dude, let's go to this zoo.

[C]

I want to do this. Let me get, I need to get a glimpse of these war.

[A]

There's no. Yeah. I, I, this is unbelievable. If anyone can shed any light on whether this zoo is covering up.

[C]

If you've seen the bear in the, what is it, the last two years? How long does he think the bear.

[A]

He says he hasn't seen the bear in a couple, two or three years.

[B]

Come out, you dumb panda. You're making me look stupid. You big panda. Jerk. Panda watch.

[A]

We're gonna do a real watch. Panda watch. We're doing it.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That is a really great low stakes.

[B]

That's like the best one I've ever heard. That's.

[A]

Yeah. Shout out. Andrew. Incredible email.

[C]

They pretend the bear's still there.

[A]

Yeah, I think, I think that's all we got. Please email us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com if you have more low stakes and piracy theories. They gotta be on that level. That's incredible. That's like, that's unbelievable. New bar, any light.

[C]

That's the new bar right there.

[A]

If you can shed any light on whether the Essex County Zoo has this bear or not, please contact us at ringer fantasy football gmail.com because it goes all the way to the top. Email.

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Dark web.

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Dark web.

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The deep state.

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Deep state. Thank you, dk. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for listening. Fantasy football.com for our rankings. If you want to see these receiver ranks and Instagram. TikTok ringer fantasy football YouTube follow us on YouTube. Subscribe please ring your fantasy football.

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We hit 10k subscribers on YouTube. Thank you all. We did it, but we're not stopping there. We want 10 million.

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We want 100k.

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I want 10 million.

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10 million.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So get help us get to 10 million subscribers.

[A]

Should we take away the intro music again? Thank you, Lord.

[B]

Lord.

[C]

Thank you, Blur.

[B]

Who?

[C]

Remember Blur?

[A]

Who?

[B]

No, who's Blur? Woohoo. Oh yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's a one second song. That's a yeah. Wow. That's a real immediate.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that's like the. That'll. That's the smelling salts of. Of songs.

[B]

This song is like. It's kind of a car commercial song. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah. Well, someone's like. Then when they hit the woohoo part, they start. They like the car.

[A]

Craig, come on. Come on now.

[B]

Right? Hyundai sponsor.

[A]

How dare you.

[B]

I hate Mazda. I love Hyundai.

[A]

Bleep the other plate. Bleep the name of the other star. You just said. Come on.

[B]

I definitely don't drive a Mazda. No, I love Hyundai.

[A]

Bleep all that. That. I don't. Oh, I was. I felt old. The first time I truly felt old was when I recognized the music in like a. Like a. A car. Car commercial. Who I. For a brand I won't name. But they played like Lewis the Child. I was like, oh, I like this song. And I was like, oh, no, there's.

[B]

I feel like, is there a Spotify playlist out there for car commercial songs? Because that's a very specific brand of song. You know what. When you hear it, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The one car commercial I remember very vividly, although I don't remember what brand it was, but it was probably the 90s and it was the Bon Jovi version. I think of. You really got me, girl. You really got.

[A]

Wait. There is a playlist for car commercials.

[C]

And it's like. It's like Ken and Barbie and Ken gets into the. Like, I think I don't know what it was. And it's like that. That old kink song and it's fucking badass.

[A]

Oh, I got it right here. All day and all. All day and all the night.

[C]

Oh, maybe it was.

[B]

Dude. There is a.

[C]

Maybe it wasn't. It really got me.

[B]

There's a public playlist on Spotify by Sofia Maria. Songs and car commercials. Number seven on the list. Blur.

[C]

Yeah, you fucking call.

[A]

Great call.

[B]

There was also feels like it Blitz Creek Ball.

[C]

Check it out. There was a car commercial for. And the song on the commercial was that one by. By Fun, you know.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Subaru.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, maybe it was Subaru and there was like the rally cars or something.

[B]

But just to be clear, we hate Subaru.

[A]

Yeah, no, they're awful.

[C]

Just bleep out all the.

[B]

No, no, keep them because we hate them. We love Hyundai.

[A]

No Hyundai. It's all about.

[C]

I don't drive a Subaru.

[A]

If you're driving a super, right? Get out of the car. Find.

[B]

Drive to a Hyundai. Yeah, get a Hyundai car.

[A]

There yeah.

[B]

Hyundai. My sources, they love Hyundai. Yards per route run, all the underlying metrics are great for Hyundai.

[C]

Remember when we did a whole podcast on Craig's sources?

[B]

Yeah. For. For the NFL draft?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I got? I think I got 29 out of 32. Meanwhile.

[A]

Meanwhile, we listening to Craig's mock draft on the Wednesday for the draft. Have. If Craig had entered that in the. There's like an expert contest. Craig literally would have won the fucking thing. We didn't even enter.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

Would have won.

[B]

Are you being serious?

[A]

Didn't you get. You got 29 or 30. First of the players.

[B]

29 or 30. Correct. Yes.

[A]

Yeah, that would have won.

[B]

I have great sources.

[C]

He does.

[B]

You just got to grab it, you know, it's about. You just gotta know where.

[C]

Sifting through the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm out there in the trenches. I'm in the muck. Sifting through the garbage, finding the gems, digging in crates.

[C]

Yeah, you know, pallets.

[B]

Docents, fake. Word.

[C]

We don't accept that as a word.

[A]

Goodbye, everyone. Sam.