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Murdoch here, Howard Beck there, Roger Bel there. Fresh off the recruiting trail to talk shop. Let's get right into it, man. Nuggets Wolves. We're gonna talk about them. We're gonna talk a little Pistons, Cliff's Pistons. Then we're gonna talk a little bit about Cliff Sixers and Joel Embiid and see how that's going. But first let's talk Nuggets Wolves. Bit of a weird weekend for the Nuggets. Thought we were going to lose Aaron Gordon. He still plays on the calf muscle on the the strain calf which seems like a a bad a bad sign for the Nuggets but then, you know, they. They play and the sumu gets 43 points and without Ant Edwards, who hyperextends his knee. And it seems like the Nuggets are. Are down bad. But then we get a vintage Jokic performance in game five. 27 points, 12 rebounds, and 16 assists. And I really don't know where this series is going, Howard. Where what? What? I know you're big on predictions. What is your prediction for this series and where we're going from here?
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I'm gonna predict that the team that's missing its entire starting back court is probably in trouble. There's a shocker. There's a hot take. I mean, this was. I mean, it's still bordering on tragedy for the Denver Nuggets. Cause they are still down 32 in the series. It's. They're not out of the woods yet. And all it takes is like one more turned ankle pulled hamstring, bad Jokic night, bad Jamal Murray night, whatever, and they could still lose this series to a team missing its superstar guard and Anthony Edwards and it's, you know, next most important guard in Dante DiVincenzo. Like the Nuggets are. Are fortunate to be alive in this series right now. The Nuggets are fortunate, unfortunately, I hate to say it this way. They are fortunate that the Timberwolves are now, you know, just beset by serious, debilitating injuries that are probably going to tip the series. And it will give the Nuggets. Let's. Let's first fast forward. You asked for a prediction. All right. The Nuggets will climb out of the 31 hole that they were originally in. They will win this series, and we'll get to see Jokic vs. Wemby in the second round, which is what I think a lot of us had hoped for. Unless you're a Timberwolves fan, sorry. But they like, they. They. They got a lot of shit to do between now and. And that next round, including trying to just get healthy if they can. They're not exactly going to have a lot of time since this thing now has to go the distance. I don't know, man. Like, this is. The Nuggets, I thought, came into this postseason as a legit contender and right now, win the series or not, they're. They're a diminished figure collectively. And Jokic is diminished by the struggles he's had in this series.
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I'm with you, Howard. I just don't know if I can fully go that they're not content just based on. Just. I. That's how much I believe in, in YIC and how I believe in this program and also how much I've seen over the last few years where they play with their food and they look bad and then, you know, they play against OKC and they take them to seven games. Right. Like I, I, I still, even as debilitated as they are with the guys that they are. Are you with me, Raja, or do you think that this is okay? Okay.
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No, they're not. They were the food. They weren't, they weren't playing with their food. They were the food. Minnesota, Minnesota was, was eating them alive. And they are very, very, very lucky, fortunate, whatever you want to use to describe that. And on the flip side, the exact opposite for Minnesota that Dante DiVincenzo and Ant sustained those injuries. They, they were the food, make no mistake. Like they were about to be up out of there and still might like
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that's the other thing. They're going back to Minnesota.
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Yeah, still might even, even. You know, everything in me agrees with Howard. Like you're starting back court, that's unprecedented to figure out a way to win that. But when you've positioned yourself 3:1 and you get that 3:2 game at home, you, you need a game from somebody, you need a desomo game, you need a, you need, need a Nas Reed game, you need a game from somebody and if you get it, you could mess around and, and get out of that series.
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What will this say about the Nuggets if they, if they get eliminated in game six? Howard,
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Look, I mean people are going to want to make this a referendum on Jokic and he bears some responsibility. Every superstar, especially of his caliber, a multi time mvp, a Finals MVP and champion, you do bear some responsibility. But the fact is the Nuggets with a hobbled Aaron Gordon and no Payton Watson were, you know, you know, they were in the hole from the beginning here. Those are their two most important defenders for a team that is not exactly known for its defense. And when they're at their absolute best, they can flirt with being a top 10ish defensive team, but usually more like, you know, middle of the pack defensive team. But they're so elite offensively because of Jokic that they can get away with it. If you don't have Aaron Gordon or a diminished Aaron Gordon because he's hurt, if you don't have Peyton Watson, everything just kind of falls apart from there. And you know, that's just the bargain you've struck with this roster with this build and you know, it's, it's tough because, and I, you know, I wrote about this coming into the postseason, our editors asked us, you know, do the usual survey questions and one of them was who's got the most at stake in this postseason. And I went a little bit off the board here and I said Jokic, because I think it's his last real chance, possibly for another championship. It's been a couple years since the first one. You think you're going to have this huge window. People are prematurely proclaiming you a dynasty in the making. It's hard to get back. They haven't been back. And you now have the looming dual threat of a Thunder team that is younger, deeper and with all the options in the world because of all those picks to keep upgrading the roster around Shai. You have a Spurs team now that is younger and deeper and with a lot more options and tools to keep improving the roster around Wemby and Stefan Castle and Crew. Everybody in the west may be blocked for years to come and that includes Jokic, who being more mid career like the the window is not going to stay open for very much longer perhaps. And so to me, I said most at stake for Jokic because I thought this might be his and the Nuggets last best chance to add another title or make another run before the door just gets slammed shut by the Thunder and Spurs. Anything can happen. But like right now it's looking pretty bleak for them in the present. And I think that, you know, the future is, it's tough, man. Like, and especially when you consider that Aaron Gordon, this is the new normal every year he's going to miss time with one hamstring or the other or both. And he's been super important to them and you just had one of the most successful and healthy Jamal Murray seasons you're going to have. So it's it. This is, this is tough. This is tough for the Nuggets.
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It is. I mean, also adding to that. Like to your point about the spurs and okc. Yeah, they had. They're just deeper than the Nuggets. I mean the Nuggets depth is basically predicated on oh, Jokic is just going to be brilliant and maybe we'll find a couple of guys outside of Murray and and Gordon that can give us an edge. But Christian Brown, he's not that fourth. Fourth guy guy like you would want. Right. Like they don't like when you juxtapose that with OKC who I just saw recently and the spurs who just have a lot of dudes that, I mean they can Play you really great defensively and they get a lot of. Those guys can get their own shots and have their game. So it's just, it's just going to be really, really tough. Raja, I want to stay on the series. I don't know if I'm going to trigger you by asking this question, but I'm going to ask this question anyway. There was a lot of talk about the unwritten rules after game four, you know, with the, with the, with the layup and Yokesh sprint, sprinting full court to, to kind of hold serve. Raja, what are your thoughts on the unwritten rules of the NBA right now and the close of that, that game four? We haven't talked to you since that happened.
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Look, I'm not. You're trying to, you ain't trying to trigger me. I'm glad, I'm glad you at least put that out there. I'm not taking the bait today. I'm not. Now, look, it's, it's a, it's ridiculous. I come on here every time you. We have one of these stupid end of game things and it's ridiculous. Your feelings were hurt, you were embarrassed. Nikola Jokic, I get it. I've been there before. That, that, that, that's corny as hell, man. Like, who gives a shit if that man lays the ball in up. What were they up? Seven, six, Something like that?
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Game was out of reach.
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The game was over, dude. That's it. That's a ridiculous reaction to that layup to run at the cat from the back, from the backcourt. And if I'm going to be honest, what triggers me the most is like, we don't, we don't treat Nikola Jokic with the same energy when he does dumb shit like that. That we treat other people when they do dumb shit like that, because that was dumb and it was childish as fuck. And, and look, you know, I made, I've made mistakes and I've. And I've owned those mistakes and called myself out. But like, we need to keep the same energy when he does stupid shit like that because you could have incited a riot in that mofo.
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Also. I could like add to that real quick. And I want to go back to you. We need to also keep that same energy when we talk about people around Jokic, because every, even the way that we talk about his brothers, like we talk about, oh, yeah, you don't want to mess with his brothers if it's some other player. It's like, it's, it's totally different reaction. I Mean, I'm alluding to what it is that is probably leading to the difference in reaction, but we need to keep the same energy with that as well.
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I'm with that. I'm with that. And. But, like, specific to, like, what happened. Let's say he runs over there, and I. And I really was thinking of this as he ran up. I put myself in McDaniel's shoes, right? And I'm like, man, that big motherfucker running at me full speed like that. I might just steal him in his shit. Like, I might. Because I don't know what you're about to do to me. I don't know that you're coming over there to just, like, bump me and be big. Like, once someone is encroached in that personal space, you're getting fight or flight. Like, do you know what I mean? And if that popped off now what?
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Right?
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And so, like, I just. I. Again, I've. I've. I've made mistakes, you know? But, like, let's just keep the energy, because that could have been a very, very, very ugly situation. They. The NBA, got lucky that it did not turn into that.
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And let me just throw at. I was just gonna add one. One quick thing. I never, like when we have these brawls or near brawls or anything that looks like it could explode into something serious, and especially when it sometimes spills into the stands, the front row, whatever, and endangered fans, if it's at least because your guy just got taken down out of midair and you're coming to his defense or you're pissed off because somebody had. It was a. It was a dangerous play, a.
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A too hard of a foul, that kind of thing, that's one thing. But for the stupid, unwritten rules about scoring in a game that's already put away, to Raj's point, that is not. That does not rise to the level that makes it worth it, if anything ever does, of endangering anybody, to say nothing of just the possibility of getting yourself suspended or somebody else suspended. We have to leave the bench rule, whatever. Thank God. The NBA. Like, it's rare that any of us in today's NBA around. Today's NBA, especially having covered the David Stern era, it's rare for any of us to, like, praise Adam for being softer than David Stern. This is one time where I'm glad the league decided to not go. Letter of the law. We don't need fucking suspensions over something this minor. But that was what you risked by setting off the melee in the first place. So, like, like, why? For what?
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Yeah, indeed, bro. It's just a layup, dog. Also, it's just a game. It's just a game. Relax, dog. Locker room.
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Look, I get it, man. Like, that was. I've been there. You are embarrassed. Your feelings are hurt. You are feeling some kind of way, and they manifest in. In that. And like, you know, so I know what that was. But, like, you know, you just got to control that. Like, if you're that level player, you had to control it if you were me, right? Because I did mean something to a team, and I've crossed that line and put myself in. In jeopardy and have been suspended and could have cost us something. But when you're that level of dude, to Howard's point, like, you got real lucky because if, you know, you don't have maybe Adam Silver in that. In that place, and. And it just opens your team up for catastrophic, you know, results.
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It's.
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It's just. You got to be better than that David Stern.
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Like, all y' all getting suspended. I don't care. All y'. All. All of y'.
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All.
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You, you, you. Was you in there. You in there. Howard, you get your ass out off the court. Raja, bye. You know, you knocked out.
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Yeah, you.
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Bye.
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A little.
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Oh, man. Let's take a quick break and talk about magic pistons, baby. Rear NBA show is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA playoffs are here and everything is on the line. Every possession matters. Every bucket swings the game. And tonight is your shot to boost your bet. That's right. All customers get a profit boost tonight. So when the moment hits, your hits win bigger. And fanduel is giving you better payouts on same game parlays all playoffs long. Let's take a look at the slate. Okay. Sixers, 76er, Celtics. I think I'm going to take the Celtics outright to end the series. I'm going to take the over on Jalen Brown. Points, Hawks, Knicks. I think I'm going to take the. This is tough. I'm gonna take the Knicks. Why not? Then I'm going to take the over on cat points and over on rebounds. You can have a monster game. Blazers, spurs gonna take the spurs to win that series. And I'm going to take the over on points for the Spurs. Why not lock in your bets, boost your odds and make the playoffs. Pay off with FanDuel, official sports betting partner of the NBA. Head to FanDuel.com Ringer MBA to get started. FanDuel. Play your game. Let's see. 21 years and older in select states or 18 and older in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued is non withdrawable Profit boost tokens gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org in Connecticut. Okay, we are back. Okay, so let's talk Magic Pistons which has been among we talked about this last buy but it's been probably the weirdest series in the postseason just for the simple fact that wow, what the where did this Magic team come from? Right?
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And sorry, can I ask you a question? Go ahead, go ahead and cut you off keeper.
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Let's go.
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But are, are they getting refs that aren't reffing the other NBA games to ref those games? Because those they look like they're playing football out there, bro. Like that, that is as physical that thing is like a football series. I'm not complaining. I like, like I, I was watching, I was like man, these jokers are really getting physical.
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Well, I do wonder though, Raja, if it's like, you know, you've been obviously played for a long time when you set the tone as two teams that we're just going to be physical, I think everybody kind of falls in line with that. So I think that we're seeing, seeing that in this series. But as physical it's been, the Magic are beating the Pistons around. They are, right? They're kind of setting the tone. Defense with the physicality with defense. Cade has been had a lot of turnovers. I, I think though Raja, when I want to, I, I think from a pistol standpoint they just need Jalen Duran, bro. And they're not getting what they, what they're supposed to be getting from a number two. Right. And what I see every time that I watch the Pistons in this series, me and you have talked about this for years when your guys aren't doing what they're supposed to do and it makes it so that other guys have to overcompensate and have to play out out of themselves in order to keep you guys afloat. Right? And there's a lot of guys right now, a lot of role guys that should be playing their roles, but they're having to overcompensate because Duran isn't taking the scoring load, isn't getting the rebounds, isn't being the guy that he was the back stretch of the season. And that's what's, what's, what's frustrating for me because the Pistons in all likelihood should be in prime position to win this Series because it's not like the Orlando Magic are shooting the ball well. Like Paolo's not shooting particularly well. Franz isn't shooting particularly well. The only person that's shooting well is Desmond Bain. Right. They're playing their defense, but it's still close games. I just think that if the Pistons lose a series, they're going to go back and look at Duran and be like, yo, man, like, we needed you here. You are the antidote to all of this and all of these problems. And you see him be just so indecisive. It's really frustrating to watch the Pistons because of that.
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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, in a nutshell, really, simply, if you're number one and number two aren't playing like number ones and number twos in series that have a level of competitiveness to them, like a 1 8, you might get away with that. You know what I mean? Like a true two seven where the seven really doesn't have a shot and your number two isn't playing great, you might be able to survive. But this was always going to be somewhat like competitive because Even though it's 1 8, you know, the Pistons have their, their flaws as a team and Orlando, you know, hadn't, hadn't been playing well. But like, stylistically we talked about it coming in. Stylistically, this was a good match, I thought, for Orlando. Right. You know, so, like, I contradicted myself, but I thought it was going to be a good match in terms of the way those two teams played. So, yeah, if you're, if you're 1 and 2 aren't producing, you know, you're going to be in a little bit of trouble now. Deeper dive, like Detroit has terrible spacing. Like, their spacing is not great and their supplementation from the three point line is what they shoot. They made six threes last night. Like, it doesn't create the type of space that you need to kind of.
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Orlando was big and Detroit shooting 27% from 3 point range in the series,
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but to go down their lineup like they're big in their physical and they and their guards guard. And so if you're going to shrink the floor as an offense, it's going to make it that much more difficult for, you know, Jalen Duran and Cade to do what they do during. Is a player, in my estimation, just watching it regular season, when you don't have a. The time really to prepare for that night in and night out, there's going to be, I think he gets a slight level of success built into those Situations and when you can really drill down on what he wants to do and really game plan for it on a nightly basis, he's not going to look like the same player. He can still be really good. I'm not trying to take anything away from him, but, like, he's got limitations to what he can do that. Like, if you have the personnel, which Orlando does, Wendell Carter's doing a great job on him. When you've got that kind of personnel, you can make his life really tough. And that's proving itself out through the. Through the first few games of this series. So, you know, there's.
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There.
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They got a lot going on there, and they're getting drugged down into a brawl. And like, I'd say this again, if you're getting into a fight with somebody and, you know, he's a. He's a stick and move, bob and weave type of fighter, and you're a brawler and you're like, yo, if I can get him to brawl with me, I've got a distinct advantage in this fight, Right? But you're in a brawl Detroit, who wants to brawl with a brawler? And you don't have that advantage in that space. And Orlando is bigger, they're more physical, they're pushing you around, you know, to the point Howard made a few pods ago. They actually have. They have more people that can do something with the ball. So when we're in these tight spaces and I can't create for a teammate because these spaces are tight, so I just got to throw it to a teammate and he's got to create for himself. Orlando's going to win in that situation. You're in a bad matchup, and to have to, you know, you're. You're just in a bad matchup. I don't know how else to put it.
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I. I just, you know, I've been trying to, like, step back and process this series because it's looking, you know, like the Pistons are about to potentially go down in ignominy here, right? Where they're going to be one of the rare number one seeds to lose to an eight in the first round. It hasn't happened often. These are the. So these are the series where the eight beat the one. Since we went to the best of seven first round in, I think that's 02,03. We got the, we believe warriors over the Mavericks in 07. It's funny to look back at that one because we think about Dirk and being MVP and how awful that was, how embarrassing that was. They'd been in the finals the year before. But like, it wasn't like the greatest supporting cast with Dirk. Like, it was like Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Jason Terry, Jerry Stackouts, like, yeah, good players. But like, it's not like, that was
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a 67 games, right? Something like that. I know.
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Yeah. I mean, it was a. But like, because Dirk was that freaking great and those were like, it's a good supporting cast, but this is not some star studded team. So anyway, warriors over Dallas in 2007. You have only three other times it's happened in the. In the last 20 something years. Memphis over San Antonio in the first round in 2011. And like, that's not the average eight seed, that Memphis team. That's Mark Gasol, Zach Randolph, Mike Conley, Tony Allen. Like, that's the grit and grind. Grizzlies. Yeah. 2012 Philly over Chicago.
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Bless you.
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That's Derrick Rose. ACL blowout in game one. Massive caveat on that series. And then we got 2023 Miami over Milwaukee in five games. That's the Giannis. It's not a failure press conference, I believe. And Giannis missed two games in that series. So a lot of these have like major caveats on them and the Pistons. All I'll say is, as I was trying to take a step back, I'm trying, like, I'm not trying to make excuses for them, but I was like thinking about context and like, is. Is there. Is there something more to this just other than holy shit, Another, you know, the rare 1 seed with 60 wins is going down the first round one. Clearly the magic are not your average seed, right? Like that Grizzlies team that upset San Antonio back in the day. This magic team has three guys who are in our ringer, in the top 100, are in our top 50, right? Bankero, Vagner and. And Bane. And then Suggs is like in the 70s in our top 100. So, like, they have like four really good guys and three in particular. Those three guys we, as we've discussed, can do a lot with the ball in their hands. They also have Wendell Carter Jr. Who's got size. So now you have Carter, Wagner and Bankero have size, which has meant that Duran had like, just never has a moment to breathe, right? He's got Wendell Carter all over him. And then if there's a switch now, like now you're banging with Banchero, like not exactly some shrinking violet. And the Magic were supposed to be like a top four team this season in the east, right? They had injuries that all kinds of shit go wrong. Chemistry was bad. We thought Jamal Mosi was on the firing line and suddenly like he may pull off one of the great upsets of all time. I guess we could put, you know, that particular coaching vacancy story to bed. And then the Pistons, the Pistons are not your average 60 win number one seed because they have never won a playoff series up until now. Usually you've got steps between breaking into the playoffs, becoming a really good team and then waking up one day and being the number one seed with a 60 win season. They, they, they skipped over it all. To their credit, they made these huge leaps the last couple years. So they're not your average number one seed. They don't have the requisite experience. This is still a really young team. And so I think all that's factoring in this is not excuse making on their behalf. This is not alibi. This is just me saying like let's, let's remember kind of how we got here and what these two teams were. If you went back to October, I'm betting that most prognostications had the magic higher in the standings than the Pistons because the Pistons were a six seed that people thought, well, that was cute.
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They'll, they'll say they were going to the finals.
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I think I still got paid. I had them in the, had the magic in the final play anyway. Kate is only 24. Jalen Duran's only 22. Sar Thompson's 23. Dennis Jenkins, who's become this really important player out of nowhere. This season's only 24. Like these guys are still really new. And again, like there's more to it than that. I, I, I started wondering like, you know, it's been a long time since we talked about who they lost after last year, but like they could use Malik Beasley right around now. And his shooting runner up for six man of the year a year ago. Dennis Schroeder, Tim Hardaway Jr. Like that was their bench. Like they lost some really important vets who could shoot and in Schroeder's case, you know, play some D. The Pistons are shooting terribly from three. Like Cade's doing his job. Cade's averaging 31 points and eight assists in this series, but he's just got no support whatsoever. And outside of Duncan Robinson, nobody can make a three point shot. So to, to Raj's point about like the spacing and everything. Yeah, terrible.
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And when don't, and when Duncan's out there, they're just like in a, they're like, yo, come Here? Yeah. Orlando's like, yo, bring his ass over here, bro.
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Hey, you.
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You. Yeah, get over here. You know, I would just say. I would just say, like, I want to like, Howard, I agree with everything you said. I just. And then it starts to manifest in Cade, like, as I was watching him last night, like, you're just doing, like, slightly reckless shit with the ball sometimes, because, like, that happens when you're frustrated when you're trying. You know what I mean? Like, when you're pressing and you can. Yeah, you're just forcing it a little bit. You get a little loose with that ball. And in a series like that that's going to be played in the. What was the score last night? Was it in the 90s? It was like 90 something to 80 something. You can't have as many loose possessions as. As they've had with the ball. They turned it over too much.
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I mean, with all of this, the Pistons have only had one great half this whole series, and that was the second half of game two when they. When they blew the Magic out. And by that point, the Magic had already had a split and they were going back to Florida. So it is what. It was one of what I want to stay with, though, based on what Howard was saying. We talk about just how you have to pivot in this league. Right. And I feel like there's a lot of panic pivots as well. I don't think, based on everything you said, Howard, I don't think that there should be a panic pivot during this off season with the Pistons. I do think there's a little bit of retooling, but how do they fight against that? Right, because you. Duran's up for an extension. He probably lost himself some money. He's probably gonna get a fairly fine extension, but he's not going to get the one that he won or thought he was going to get, probably going into this postseason after betting on himself after last year. But are you of the mind that they need to overhaul around this. This. These two guys, or do they just need a little bit of retooling?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't think that this is a team that will. That will panic because they have shown their. They're willing to be patient and let their young guys grow maybe almost to a fault? You know, could they have been the ones to chase IO to Sumo or somebody like, you know, they. That they stood pat and they changed out a few, you know, pieces? Last summer we mentioned, like, some of the vets that they lost and they bring, you know, they bring in Duncan Robinson and Caris the Vert. They've been content to kind of like play around the edges. I do think it's time to start seriously considering whatever happens with Duran and his extension. I'm sure they'll resign him. I'm sure he'll be back and there for a long time to come. You gotta find Cade some help in terms of ball handling and playmaking. And that doesn't have to be a blockbuster. Right. This doesn't mean go out and, you know, trade for Giannis or Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard or whatever. Right. I don't, I don't think you're in that kind of position of desperation, but this is the first summer since this group really started to show something that you're thinking, okay, we need some finishing touches around our core and we need to give Cade some more help. I think that's indisputable. So I don't. And maybe they were heading there anyway and maybe the 60 wins masked a little bit of that, even though we were all talking about it the whole time. But these are the same deficiencies we've been talking about and why people had doubts about their ability to go all the way. But I, I suspect it will not be like some blockbuster summer for them. They'll resign Durin and they will find a, you know, a mid level, exceptionish type player, whether it's literally via the mid level exception or via trade. They'll find somebody else who can do something with the ball in their hands to take a little bit of the pressure off Cade.
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Yeah.
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And Trajan Langdon has done a great job of just finding diamonds in the rough. Right. Like you, you've talked about Jenkins. They have guys that have rounded out that roster. I like Javante Green a lot. He's really good as well. They do have, they have found dudes. They, you know, they have a really competent front office. One other thing before we get to the next subject. I just really think that it would just be fool's goal to try to just try to fight to get either Kawhi, KD or Giannis in this off season. I think that just the assets that you have to give up based on what you're gonna get, especially what we've seen during this postseason. Giannis has the injury history. Kawhi has the injury history. KD is kind of having the injury history right now, and we've kind of seen what he has done throughout that locker room. If I'm just giving Free advice. I just wouldn't go after them if I'm, if I'm a team. I don't think that there's any real incentive to do so with how the NBA is currently structured in its salary cap. You're just going to handicap yourself for a team that might not actually be competitive because all the assets you're probably going to give out.
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I, I mean, Howard could touch on, on, on the, you know, the, the nuts and bolts of what you would have to give up and stuff like that. I'll just talk about purely on the court, making a move like that. I would agree with you, Logan, any of those players, you have to have a cultural shift in how you're playing. Like so, you know, to the point that Howard made about finding him help, I would be looking for help. I think they're on the clock now in a way as a franchise where it's time. But like, I'm not looking for the player that that means I've got to play through that guy. You know what I mean? I'm looking for a complimentary people with the ball in their hands, not necessarily a dude that's going to come in and, and culturally, just because of his orbit, we've got to kind of shift to being that kind of team, if you will, you know.
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Yeah. Especially for someone you don't, you don't really have a vested interest in, like, you don't hardly have a history with. Right. And you're just.
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Yeah, these are all mercenaries at this point. Like those names, right? Like, those are.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess I can see the Knicks trying to just go after Giannis again, but, like, those are like. But they don't really have, like, assets. Assets like that. And, and it's just going to be a really interesting summer because I just don't know what it's going to take to get those guys. And if you do get those guys, what it's like ultimately actually going to be. Especially the, the league is kind of passing those three guys, but they're passing them by, just is what it is. Anyways, that was just a thought that I thought about when, when Howard was talking about, like just even, just even alluding to the fact that people are going to be going after those guys. Anyway, let's take a quick break, talk about Cooper Flag real quick. We may or may not spare Cliff in the next segment. We'll see who knows. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Fill up. Like every day is game day with the under three dollar menu at McDonald's. A sausage McMuffin for just a dollar fifty and when it's time for lunch, grab a McDouble for only 2.50. McValue gives players, fans and everyone in between more action for less. A sauce McMuffin is basically official breakfast of tip off day in my opinion. Get even more value with McValue. Only at McDonald's. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may vary.
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be higher for delivery and we are back. Cooper Flag Rookie of the Year Thoughts Howard As a, as a rookie of
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the Year voter, toughest rookie of the Year vote I've ever had. I did vote for Cooper. It was very close in my own head and on my own ballot and it was obviously close in the vote. What do we ended up like, you know, 55, 44 or something in first place votes. So I'm gonna be very curious. We won't see the actual identities or you know, the the actual specific individual ballots. We won't get all of that information until the entire award cycle is over. But I am very curious to see who knocked Concaniple to to third one ballot did everybody else had. Cooper Flag and Cone were 1-221-on-on all of them. Couple people left off VJ Edgecomb in favor of either Dylan Harper or Cedric Coward in one case. I'm I'm curious about those not, not second guessing anybody's bouts. I'm just very, I'm interested to see but it was, it was tough man. Like look at the at the end of it all, Cooper Flag was outstanding and outstanding in a super difficult context and it's hard to like shut out the context of in these two cases, right? This was the most unique rookie of the year race I've seen in a while because their cases were so different and because con it was hard to not think about the impact he had on the Hornets. It wasn't just oh his great three point shooting and also by the way his playmaking and you know, rebounding. Other stuff like he, he Was a net positive for them and was a big part of why they went from lottery team to a team that should have made the first round of the playoffs. Khan was a huge influence on that and had a great season and in some respects was better than Cooper, mostly on the shooting, right. And the efficiency. And the efficiency was not even close. But Cooper Flag had him beat on everything else, but was dragged down by, you know, in perception, by the Mavericks having a crappy season, largely due to shitty roster slash injuries. But you had to separate it all out. And I think wins can be a tiebreaker, and I think impact on winning can be a factor in Rookie of the Year. But it's Rookie of the Year, not mvp. MVP wins always matter a ton. There are certain other awards where the wins are a huge factor. Rookie of the Year, you can't let it be an overwhelming factor and the end of it all. For me, I just thought, you know, Cooper Flag, you know, everybody hissing the stats. He did things that, you know, you know, that Mike hadn't been done since Michael Jordan was a rookie and leading his team in, like, points, rebounds, assists, all this kind of stuff. Some of the outstanding games he had individually, but it was tough. He played 11 fewer games than Con. Con was much more efficient, and Con did contribute to the Hornets being a much better team this. This season. Even if that's not the main factor, it was a factor worth considering. But congrats to Cooper Flag, congrats to Khan. Like that was, you know. No, nobody saw that coming. For it to be a race this close when these two guys were drafted last June.
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Word? Yeah. You got anything, Roger?
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D
Nope.
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Cool. I'm not sparing Cliff for that. Joel Embiid coming back in the way that he did into this series, and nice segue. Good decision or bad decision? Rajabel?
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I mean, we could. We can always play like, the result, you know, But I think good decision, I think that, you know, it didn't work out that way in the first game, but when you have something over there that can do what he does when healthy, it's an. It's an equalizer. Like it is. It is a weapon. It is something that I would want on the court, provided it's at a certain percentage of itself. I would always say, yeah, put that out there and let's. Let's rock with that. That would give us a better chance to win. So did it work out so far? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't great. But Like, I think the decision to come back and reinsert him and play him, if he was healthy enough and ready to play, like, I, I can't second guess that.
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C
I'm fine with the idea that as soon as you're ready to come back, you come back, especially when you are the franchise player. I, I get that the future is Maxi and Edgecomb, but Embiid, not just by contract, but by everything, is still the present. Appendicitis, appendix, surgery, you know, coming back after whatever, two weeks, and you're, you're probably rusty, you're probably a little out of shape. Okay, I get that. This, these are desperate times, and this is the franchise player. Put him out there as soon as he's ready. Did he need to take 21 shots, making nine of them? The next highest, you know, you know, field goal attempts was maxi at 14. Edgecombe, 9. Like, I, I, I, like, I don't know that you're beating the Celtics without Embiid being a presence at both ends, but I don't know that you're beating them by taking that many shots away from the guys who were kind of keeping things going without you either. And so that, that's the part that I think is a little bit trouble.
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D
That, that's fair. That's, that's really fair, Howard. But it's a, it's kind of tough, though, because, like, just if you said to me, hey, are we going to out guard Boston? I, I'd be like, no, you don't want, you don't want to try to do that. Like, you don't want to try to out guard them because they're coming at you with Peyton, Pritchard, Jalen and, and, and Jason, that's going to be hard. So where could we, you know, theoretically, like, gain an advantage as a team? And it probably would be, like, with a real dude that could command, you know, attention down on the block. So, like, I'm not lobbying for it at all. I agree with you. But, like, thought process wise, I could, I could kind of see now 21, you know, we're probably, it might have been too much to throw in his plate first game back out, but at least thought process, I could see where they would say, hey, look, let's, let's try to exploit this a little bit, giving us a better chance to win, you know, if that makes sense.
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Is Boston in prime position just to win the east right now?
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D
Yeah, I mean, they're my favorite going into, They've been playing good basketball, but, like, especially in this league, when you're talking about if you can get out of this series at 4:1 and other dudes are just beating each other up over the course of seven. Like, you're stacking, man. Like, that is so important, is being able to sit your ass down and get some rest that you can bank for later in the playoffs. That. Yeah, they'd be my favorite.
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C
I'm not an odds guy, but I. I assume the Celtics were the favorites once the postseason started to come out of the East.
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Weren't I assume right back in. I'm not a betting guy. I don't know. Howard.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either, but I think they were kind of the consensus favorite. Odds or no odds. Just, just. Just based on. On chatter. Right. Like, because most people didn't buy the Pistons. No. You know, very few people, you know, gave the. The Knicks or the. The Cavaliers. Cavs much of a chance. Right?
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Cavaliers. Wow. The Cavaliers. James, I told you, man. Hey, hey. Howard said it too, to you guys. James Harden, Toronto, baby. It's tough. It's tough. He's had more turnovers that assist hit eight turnovers the other night. As someone who's been to Toronto, I understand. I'm not passing any judgment. I'm just saying it's a tough place to focus.
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You realize we could. We could get like, Toronto, Orlando, second round series. Like, that's a possibility.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't. I'm not sure the NBA is happy about that. But hey, we move. One last thing on the Sixers, though. I wanted to say that's the. The embiid getting back into the series. It's just kind of been a microcosm of the Sixers season, right. Where they're just caught between two eras they have in being on that massive contract with Paul George. But very clearly the future of the team is their backcourt of Maxi and Edgecomb. And I'm sure there are a lot of Sixers fans just want to build around that. And not necessarily like, kick and beat to the curb, but like, hey, man, take a step back a little bit and let's just see you be kind of what LeBron is doing right now. Just like, yo, man, just pass the baton to these guys and I'll do what I can do. And that's way easier said than done, especially for NBA players. But you just couldn't. I just wanted to just put that out there that this has just been what the Sixers have been dealing with all year long. It's just these two identities kind of forced upon each other. So it's going to be interesting. And with that, Cliff, our resident Sixers fan, he's down bad right now, bro. Jalen hurts. The flyers, the Sixers, A.J. brown don't even want to be there.
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It's the Phillies that's really killing me, man. You know what I mean? That's the team right now. Florida's still up technically. So we good? Yeah.
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All right. All right, all right.
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Yeah, we good. Game. Game six back in. Philly's gonna be rocking in there, you know, make a comeback. But, yeah, you know, Sixers not so well. All right, let's get to this question here. This is Melbag KD from Mark Haber. Hello, Howard, Logan and Raja. All I ever hear is some version of KD can fit on any team with any players. Unlike most NBA superstars. You don't need to build a team around him. He could just fit in. I think it's the conventional wisdom. And from a pure basketball sense, it's probably true. However, with how many of these have gone wrong? Nets, Suns, Rockets. Is it possible KD can only really work on a specific type of team? It's just instead of specific types of players, specific types of leaders and team culture, the most successful stretch he had was fitting into an existing team culture, the Warriors. And with okc, he was so young. It makes sense for him not to have to be the leader. Mark Haber, Logan. How about it, buddy? Kd, you.
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This is karma for. This is. This is karma for going at Rossi and making.
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I just really. I just really want to hear what you got to think about. What you think about this one, bro?
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Why? Want to hear what I got to say about him?
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You know, I'm just curious your thoughts, man. Curious your thoughts?
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You know, I think that the KD can fit in on any team with any players. That's such like a 2023 take, right? That was just something that. And I think on the. From a basketball standpoint, yes, he can do it. He can definitely fit into every offense. He is that good. Is that generationally. Generationally talented. He is an amazing basketball player, one of the best I've ever seen and damn sure probably the best I ever covered. But it has. It's all the other stuff that kind of undermines, at least for the last few years, all the other stuff around him that undermines his talent. And it's sad to see even this season, right where, you know, if you are to believe. Get off my Dickerson. There wasn't very much harmony in that locker Room, right? Like, I just. I. This. I think this season is going to go down as an indictment on his leadership, you know, because going into this trade, it was, oh, man, it's going to be really dope to see KD with young guys and bringing them along at this stage of his career, similar to like what LeBron has done in the backstage of his career, just bringing guys up and he just hasn't done that. He hasn't done that. And one of the things that KD wants to be ultimately is one of the guys. And he was able to do that in OKC because, you know, they had. He was young and they had a lot of alphas in that locker room, right? Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, front of the show, a lot of guys that can kind of take on that leadership mantle that he just wasn't. You know, that's just not his style. And then in Golden State, similar, right? You have a very veteran locker room. You have Andre Iguodala, you have Sean Livingston's, you have the David west, you have the Zaza Pachulius, you have, you know, even the Steve Kerrs. And he was able to just be one of the guys as his career goes on, he not able to do that, right? That's why it's so easy. That's why it's so vital for him to. It was so vital for him to pick the right situation when he left Golden State because he was searching for that leadership, you know, that mantle and the getting away and just kind of figuring himself out in Brooklyn. But, like, he just didn't have the right alpha near him at the time, and he was forced into the role where he had to be that. And you know, in Phoenix, same thing, right? As you get older, you know, people, you start. And you start encountering players that looked up to you, as opposed to the players that are kind of like bringing you in and being that leadership role. Like when he was in Phoenix, Devin Booker was a guy that grew up with Katie's poster on his wall. So you have this reverence for him, and then you're looking for him for this leadership sandwich. Abari Smith, you're looking at him for this leadership, and he's just not. Hasn't been. I don't know if he's not equipped to do it, but he just hasn't shown that he can do that. And that's just been the story of his. The back stretch of his career is that he has. He's still playing brilliant basketball and it's a treat to watch him play, but everything else kind of undermines that. So, yeah, that's my Katie take. Anybody got us? Anybody else got anything?
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C
I would just add, like, the premise of the question about, you know, him being the plug and play superstar. You said that was a 2023 take. I think it's actually more of a 2000 teens take. KD's 37 now. It's not the same thing. And when we talked about that as. As a phrase, as a framework, and. And it was true. It was. While he was in his prime, he was. He was great on. On the Olympic teams, Team usa, great with the warriors, and he was like, how many guys with his credentials and usage rate and skill set could have joined? Let's see. I know it was controversial and all that, put that on the side. How many teams of his caliber and his accomplishments could have gone to. Already had a Steph Curry and a Clay Thompson and Draymond Green and bent the plug and play guy that he was, but that was in his prime. And he did it at the highest freaking level for three straight years. And he won two finals and two finals MVPs, and then goes down with an Achilles in the finals in 2019, a series that they might have otherwise won. Right? So I don't think that we retroactively change that framework of how we looked at him. The last few stops have been rough, but I don't want to go through all the history. But just real quick, real quick, we need to stop doing this thing where we say, like, oh, Brooklyn, Phoenix, Houston, it's all worked out so badly. There's like, this is a whole indictment on Kevin Durant. Like, you could. He bears some responsibility. Always, of course, But Brooklyn was complicated. His first year, he was just rehabbing from an Achilles, an entire season lost. And then Covid happened second year, they get hardened, and he hardened. And Kyrie, far from the he's not plug and player can't play. They made the Eastern Conference semifinals, went to a Game 7 against the Milwaukee Bucks. Toe on the line, shoe size, all this stuff, right? And the team they lose to, the Bucks, goes and wins the championship. It wasn't a complete failure in Brooklyn, and it ends up being a failure because then Harden gets tired of Kyrie missing games because of the vaccine refusal. So now Harden's out, Kyrie sours. He's out. Like, that was not a KD thing. He ends up in Phoenix where he wanted to be. But they also went and spent a bunch of shit to go get Bradley Beal. Like, they they made bad moves around him and book. So again, were there locker room things? Pretty probably. But like the Suns were not a good. They made bad decisions and they did not have a good roster. And then he gets sent to Houston and now there's this massive age gap. It's. It's him at 37 and amen Thompson and Reed shepherd and Alpern Shangun, who are all younger in their careers. It's. It's a. It's a difficult marriage. Not to excuse anything, just to say, like, the idea of the plug and play thing, I don't think it's diminished or should be dispelled just because there's been a weird few years here, not all of which was in Kevin Durant's control. And all that said, this Houston season might have been different if they don't lose Fred Van Vliet and Stephen Adams and. Or if they had actually replaced Fred Van Vliet on the roster. I don't mean replace him, replace him, but replace his skill set.
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I got. Anything else? Next question. Cliff, Roz, you got something? No, negative.
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Thank you, Mark.
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Yep. I could see it in your eyes, buddy.
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Yeah, no, it's all right, you guys. I mean, well done. Well done.
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This next one, this final one here, is from Marcy McHugh. Dubnation wants to know, what can the warriors do now? We love the mob, but need to string it back together next season. What's your take on how that can happen? Howard, let's go to you.
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There are a lot of different ways you could go with this, but I'll start with this. They're currently slotted 11th in the lottery, which is happening. The blessed, most blessed day on the NBA calendar. The NBA draft lottery. Ping pong balls dropping in like two weeks, less than two weeks. They have a 9.4% chance for a top four pick, 2% chance for number one. Dallas won the number one pick with only a 1.8% chance last year, so all things are possible. I'm not being glib here. Like, it's seriously like the post Steph era might begin with this lottery, depending on how the balls bounce for the Warriors. But aside from that, it's like we don't know what this roster is going to look like for next season until we get a Steve Kerr decision. And that's supposed to be any day now. If Steve Kerr is back, I think Steph Draymond, Jimmy Butler are back, probably with Al Horford, maybe a resigned Kristaps Porzingis. We'll see what other moves they make around the edges. If Steve Kerr is not back, I think Steph is probably still there, but everybody else is up for grabs. Like, there's no. Draymond himself said it on his podcast. If there's no Steve, there may not be a Draymond. And who knows if, you know, like, Jimmy would be hard to trade on an expiring deal with an ACL recovery. But, like, I think everything is up in the air until we hear what the Steve Kerr decision is, who's replacing him, if he's going. But there. There's a lot. There's a lot up in the air. But I do think that this lottery is really big for them, for both, you know, the. The present and especially the future.
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You said you don't mean to be glib. Well, I will be glib.
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D
It's.
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It's. No matter where they go, it's. It's not going to be great. You said that they're gonna, you know, the lottery could be a thing that, To. To catapult them beyond the Steph era, and that would be great, but, like, this team just can't draft. So. I mean, that they literally have shown over the. They haven't had a good draft since 2012, which was like their best draft when they got Draymond Festus and Harrison Barnes. I don't think that they've drafted nearly as good since. So on that draft angle, pretty glib there. Steve Kerr comes back. That probably means Draymond is back and, you know, they're going to run it back this. This off season where they get Kawhi or they get LeBron or, you know, maybe they get. Maybe KD comes back. Probably not. But even if all those things come. Yeah, that's what, like 42 wins tops. If everything goes well. Playing game. Yeah, that's. That doesn't seem great. If Steve Kerr leaves, then, you know, they probably try to worker work the roster around Steph in a different capacity with a new coach who is. Has to coach a veteran, like, team. I don't know. That doesn't seem great. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be great, no matter what. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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D
Yeah, I would just like the draft of. It's interesting to me because if you're. If you're playing the way they play, the same thing that made Kaminga, and we always laugh and joke about what he actually can be. But like, like, let's just think about this. The spirit of what I'm saying, though, like, you. You get it. You get someone in the draft. Whether Kaminga is this or not, you know, is moot. But like, let's say an AJ debansta, right? You get them, and you've got all this upside as an offensive player. And there are things that in other situations, you know, in the NBA, because they don't play just two spring Steph for shots or play off of his movement and then, like, that. That matures into it, what you think it could be? I. It's in a weird way, it's hard for them to be in the top of the lottery and then have that person become what you think he could become playing the way they play, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah.
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D
It's weird because, like, you're gonna take that. You're gonna be like, man, you see all that shit it did in college. You see. You see the upside in that. And then you're gonna be like, all right, now run around and set screens and then just slip to the basket.
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Yeah. As Steph is about to be 39, 40 years old.
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D
Yeah. So you're really. You're in a weird spot with that in my. And I don't mean to, like, look, Steph is incredible. Everyone knows how I feel about that. And the style of play is appropriate. But when. When you're drafting incredible talents, at least what you think should be incredible talents offensively, and then to some degree saying, hey, this is the way we play, you got to fit into that. It could limit their ability to actually grow in. In the way. To reach that upper level of their potential.
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In order to grow, you got to let go. And nobody told me that. That's what the streets told me. That's what Larry June said.
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Okay.
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The great philosopher. I don't know. I. I do feel you. What you're saying on that, right? Because, I mean, Steph's like. He is a planet, right? And we just talked about that in a weird. In a different way, like, why you wouldn't want to go after Giannis, KD or Kawhi, because they're also planets, Right? And when you have planets, it's really. And credit to Stephie that said that he would be willing to take a step back in a supportive role. But what does that even mean, right? Like, what does that. How do you even do that with a player like that who is just so unique in the style that he plays? He's his own offense onto himself. So how do you even, like, try to, like, even. Even amongst, like, in Team USA a couple years ago. Like when Steph was in the lineup, it was down the stretch of a game. It was really just his orbit, right? It was his planet down the stretch. I just don't, I just don't know how you, how you do that. We'll see. I mean, I still think it's going to be glim for. It's gonna be grim for a minute. For a minute. Chase center tickets are going to be cheaper, so a lot of people from the East Bay can come to some warriors games. That'll be fun. See the real Bay Area for once. For the first time in Chase center history. Am I throwing shots? My bad. But that's what you get at Real ones mailbag@gmail.com realwoodsmailpack gmail.com real ones mailbag gmail.com that has been another edition of Real Ones. We will see you guys Friday night. Should be fun. Love all y', all. All the shits. Bye.
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