Who Got Snubbed From the All-Star Game? Plus, Should the NBA Have 10-Minute Quarters? | Real Ones

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Ringer NBA Show – "Who Got Snubbed From the All-Star Game? Plus, Should the NBA Have 10-Minute Quarters?" | Real Ones

Release Date: January 31, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of Real Ones, hosted by Logan Murdoch and Raja Bell, the Ringer NBA squad delves into the controversial decisions surrounding the All-Star Game snubs and debates the proposal to shorten NBA quarters from 12 to 10 minutes. The discussion navigates through team performances, player reputations, and the evolving landscape of NBA rules, providing listeners with insightful analysis and spirited opinions.

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1. All-Star Game Snubs

Eastern Conference Reserves Discussion

Logan Murdoch initiates the conversation by reviewing the Eastern Conference reserves list for the All-Star Game:

• Reserves Included:
  • Jalen Brown
  • Pascal Siakam
  • Darius Garland
  • Cade Cunningham
  • Evan Mobley
  • Damian Lillard
  • Tyler Herro

Logan expresses satisfaction with the list, noting, "I don't really have any problems with the Eastern Conference list." (03:06)

Controversial Omissions: Lamelo Ball and Trae Young

The hosts highlight significant omissions:

• Lamelo Ball: Despite garnering substantial fan support, Ball was left out, raising questions about the selection criteria.
• Trae Young: Similarly, Young's exclusion, especially given his team's current standing, sparks debate.

Logan critiques the selection, suggesting it reflects a "coach's dream list," prioritizing players from winning teams and those favored by coaches. He remarks, "I think we need to see who's actually the voting body behind it. And this looks like a coach's dream of a list of players." (03:26)

Kaz adds, "There’s always going to be somebody that was just really borderline, and someone’s always going to be unhappy in that process." (04:17)

Tyrese Maxey's Omission

The discussion also touches on Tyrese Maxey's exclusion from the All-Star lineup. Kaz acknowledges the tight numbers and team performances but maintains, "I can see where Demontes was putting up historic numbers, but Sangu’s playing really well on a winning team." (12:25)

Notable Quotes:

• Logan: "It's obviously a popularity contest combined with winning." (03:43)
• Kaz: "The All-Star Game is a celebration of our league's talent, not just a venue for rewarding wins." (06:51)

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2. Should the NBA Have 10-Minute Quarters?

Adam Silver's Proposal

Logan brings up NBA Commissioner Adam Silver's recent suggestion to reduce quarter lengths from 12 to 10 minutes. Silver's aim is to align the NBA game duration more closely with college and international standards and to create a more television-friendly two-hour game window.

Pros and Cons of the Change

Kaz expresses reservations about the proposal:

• "I don't love it. The NBA is a different product... It stands on its own." (16:38)
• Concerns are raised about the logistical challenges, such as adjusting player rotations and maintaining the game's flow.

Logan counters by criticizing the NBA's recent rule changes, arguing that they often prioritize marketability over the game's quality:

• "We're making changes for the sake of making changes... The real change should be how to make the game better, not just tweaking the clock." (15:37)

Impact on Game Dynamics

Kaz elaborates on how existing rules already influence the game's pace and scoring, citing examples from FIBA and college basketball to underline the NBA's unique style:

• "The physicality... the defensive three-second rule... These rules drive scoring and fan perception." (18:40)

Notable Quotes:

• Logan: "Nobody asked for an in-season tournament. We're just asking for the basketball to be better." (17:00)
• Kaz: "The game has evolved into what it has become without the rules changing." (19:20)

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3. Zion Williamson and the New Orleans Pelicans

Zion's Availability and Team Dynamics

The conversation shifts to Zion Williamson's recent statements about his availability for back-to-back games. Despite his physical readiness, the Pelicans have restricted his participation to manage his injury history.

Logan summarizes Zion's stance: "If I can play in back-to-backs, I would. But I work for the Pelicans. They decided it's not smart right now." (27:49)

Management vs. Player Perspectives

Kaz discusses the tension between player desires and management's focus on long-term health and team success:

• "Load management was initially driven by sports science... now it's about protecting investments and winning championships." (29:46)

Future of Zion's Tenure with the Pelicans

The hosts debate whether the Pelicans can maintain Zion's health and performance while striving for a competitive edge:

• Logan: "It’s a mess, bro." (30:00)
• Kaz: "They're letting him go... and he cannot stay healthy." (30:10)

Notable Quotes:

• Logan: "He looked like the Terminator... a house divided." (23:20)
• Kaz: "Load management is not just player-driven; it's management and coaching." (29:46)

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4. Sacramento Kings and De'Aaron Fox

Potential Trade Discussions

Logan discusses reports suggesting the Sacramento Kings are open to trading De'Aaron Fox, potentially to the San Antonio Spurs managed by Rich Paul.

Kaz analyzes the franchise's struggles:

• "If any number of people come through your organization and there's always an issue... give me a plan, give me some stability." (35:15)

Fan Base Concerns

The conversation addresses the Kings' persistent inability to secure sustained success and the possible impact of trading a franchise player like Fox:

• Logan: "The fan base is so thirsty for a winner but don't know what to do." (35:49)
• Kaz: "It's been a ride. They have to decide if they can change their trajectory." (37:09)

Notable Quotes:

• Logan: "He has been the best player of the last 15, 16 years in the franchise's history." (34:54)
• Kaz: "When you have a track record, that speaks for itself." (37:19)

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5. Interaction with Steve Kerr and Grant Hill

Shout-Outs and Past Interactions

Logan reminisces about his interactions with NBA legends Steve Kerr and Grant Hill, highlighting their support and professionalism.

Kaz reflects on his experiences:

• "Steve Kerr and I did training camp in San Diego... I like Steve. We went out a couple times." (44:53)
• The hosts share humorous anecdotes about their past interactions and mutual respect.

Real Ones of the Week Segment

The hosts conclude with a segment recognizing standout players:

• Kaz's Pick: Amen Thompson – praised for his athleticism and development.
• Logan's Pick: Dwyane Wade – commended for his courage in sharing his health struggles publicly.

Notable Quotes:

• Kaz: "Zion allows me to have a chip that I might not have otherwise." (43:22)
• Logan: "Real one of the week to Dwyane Wade. I hope he's doing better in his recovery." (49:40)

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6. Conclusion and Upcoming Events

The episode wraps up with information about upcoming shows and encourages listener engagement through emails and ticket sales for live events. The hosts reaffirm their commitment to providing in-depth NBA analysis and fostering a community of passionate fans.

Final Remarks:

• Logan: "Check out our tickets in the pod description." (50:54)
• Kaz: "Come tap in. Might be some special guests in the audience." (50:57)

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Key Takeaways:

• All-Star Selections: The process reflects a blend of team success and player popularity, leading to debates over deserved inclusions and omissions.

• Rule Changes: The proposal to shorten quarters raises concerns about preserving the NBA's unique gameplay and fan experience.

• Player Management: Zion Williamson's situation underscores the ongoing tension between player aspirations and team strategies for longevity and success.

• Franchise Decisions: The Sacramento Kings' potential trade of De'Aaron Fox highlights challenges in building a consistently competitive team.

• Community and Recognition: The hosts emphasize the importance of acknowledging player achievements and fostering a supportive NBA community.

This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of current NBA issues, providing listeners with nuanced perspectives and fostering meaningful conversations about the league's direction.

Transcript

[Logan Murdoch]

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[Logan Murdoch]

What's poppin? Real ones. Logan Murdoch here. Raja Bilder. Isaiah Blakeley on the boards. Ben Cruz on the call. This must be. I don't know, is this a big time show? Ron, I don't know what's going on here. What do you think? I haven't even talked to Ben, but.

[Kaz]

Cruz just hopped in. I didn't even. I didn't even see it. He just hopped in there.

[Logan Murdoch]

Okay. All right. I don't. I don't know what's going on here.

[Kaz]

All right.

[Logan Murdoch]

Evaluation.

[Kaz]

Evaluation day.

[Logan Murdoch]

Shoot program. What was I gonna say? So. Because we're gonna talk some all Star snubs, gonna talk some 10 minute quarters and it's about as far as the rundown that I have so far. So I guess we'll just vibe for, for until then, like, let's freaking do it. All right. Let's talk about the all Stars. So I, I'll play I'll, I'll talk about the list and then we can talk about the snubs that we think are, should be or should not be in there and, you know, obviously talk about the people that are a little sad that they didn't make the team. There's been a lot of people that have just in their feels around All Star. But anyway, let's get to the Eastern Conference reserves list. Jalen Brown, Pasco Siakam, Darius Garland, Cade Cunningham. Really excited for that one. I'm really happy to see him on this list. Evan Mobley, Damian Lillard and Tyler Herro. Not mad at that list.

[Kaz]

Not mad at that list. Can't be mad at that list.

[Logan Murdoch]

Now, obviously, the omissions are at least in the Eastern Conference, what we've seen. Everybody is caping for Lamelo, which makes sense. At least everybody on social media is caving for Carmelo Lamelo because, you know, he got most of the fan vote. Right.

[Kaz]

Right.

[Logan Murdoch]

And I felt like on this list of the, of the name, of the names of people that made it, a lot of guys on winning teams, a lot of guys that have been, you know, at least prioritized as like, guys that coaches would like. Right. I think we need to. When we see the omissions, we need to see who's actually the voting body behind it. And this looks like a coach's dream of a list of players. Right. And the two omissions that are getting the most headlines, at least in the Eastern Conference, are Lamelo and Trae Young. Lamelo is nowhere near. His team's nowhere near a postseason berth at all. And Trae Young, his team is right in the midst. I think they're ninth in the, in the Eastern Conference. Right, right. The mix and the play in. So, I mean, I get why this list was the way it is, but I don't really overall have any problems with the Eastern Conference list. Do you?

[Kaz]

No, I don't. I don't have a problem with it. I mean, anytime you get to the end of a, you know, the All Star reserves, like there's. I mean, every year you're going to have somebody that was just really a borderline can make a case for type of player. And, and, and there's going to be a handful of those. Someone's always going to be unhappy in that process. So whoever that first guy out, second guy out is, is always going to have a beef. I don't have a problem with the Eastern Conference list.

[Logan Murdoch]

It was funny because I was looking at like, people talking about, I think Trey Young tweeted out something about it. Like, it shouldn't be called the snub, it should be called the trade. Because I'm always like, he tried to make some. And I get it, he's an NBA player. But like, you gotta, you gotta win. And also there's another thing. Element to this. Like, you know, people by and large gotta. It's also a popularity contest. So people gotta like you. Right. Like it's, it's combined with the winning, but also the popularity of it. And while, you know, like, I don't think. I think that Trey is pretty well liked on his team right now. I think for the early part of his, his early part of his career, like we, we've talked about this on this show, just his reputationally, his reputation around the league just wasn't great. So I think that that, like, that also comes to pass when a coach is talking about a player or trying to make a pick. Like, this is an emotions based pick from coaches, I mean, even from media, from fans, all of which culminates. And I think that's why we need to have the separate quadrants when we come to at least the starters. But that isn't. I felt like the reputation for both Lamelo and Trey kind of played into this decision for sure. Right. And their teams were bad.

[Kaz]

Yeah. I mean, there's the human element of it. You know, I think probably, you know, both of them, even Trey. And Trey's got, you know, great numbers. He's put up great numbers in the league. If you, once you get to the coaches, I'd imagine some of them are split on, you know, on just exactly what, what that, what, what, what his talent represents in the, in the overall winning equation. Do you know what I mean? Like, not that I am necessarily, but, but I could see that. So again, when you're, when you're, when you're down at the bottom of the I could get in type of list, those things that you're talking about do come into play. Right. Likeability, reputation, the whole nine. Right. So it's unfortunate.

[Logan Murdoch]

Are you okay with the Tyrese Maxey omission as well? Because that's also something that has been permeating as well. Are you, are you okay with that one?

[Kaz]

Like. Yeah. So here's the deal, right? Yeah. I mean, theoretically, yes, but like, you're going to go to the Western Conference in a minute and I'm going to say something and I'm not doing it for clickbait, and it's not like a hot take or anything. Like that. But when Wemby's in, right? I mean, if we're going off winning. Now, I'm not arguing that Wemby shouldn't be in, right? Obviously, Wemby is Wemby. But, like, we. We gotta be careful when we start making a criteria for. For the All Star Game being based on winning. Like, you gotta be careful. Cause where do you draw the line on that? Like, the spurs ain't, like, taking the league by storm in any way, shape or form, right? Like, you got. You got what, six more wins than, like, the, The. What were the. The Hornets. Like, what are the Hornets at? Sorry, I'm doing this right now. I'm just looking it up. San Antonio's 20. You got eight more wins in the Hornets. Like, you know, I don't. I'm not comparing Wemby and Lamello. I'm saying we just got to be careful when, when winning starts to be, you know, All Stars are based on winning. We got. I just. I've made this case before, Howard and I got into it on that I don't believe that the All Star Game is the format for rewarding wins.

[Logan Murdoch]

What is.

[Kaz]

Shouldn't be the venue for that.

[Logan Murdoch]

What should. What's the balance in that, though, right? Like, should you reward stats and somebody like, Lamelo's been balling. Like, I can't say that he hasn't been balling. He hasn't been winning, but he ain't been balling. Same with Wimyama. I do know there is a double standard to that. And also, like, to be fair to Wimby, he's putting up historic. Like, if you just put his numbers compared to everybody else's in NBA history, like, he's the greatest player of all time through a year and a half, which is wild to consider. Right? But, like, what's that balance of he ain't really. He's not really contributing to winning culture, but he's balling right now. What's that balance that you. That you. That. That should be put at the forefront if you're a coach with this type of vote, or any voter, for that matter.

[Kaz]

Well, listen, I would argue that if we're comparing apples to apples in terms of players, like, their cases statistically are relatively the same. And then obviously, I'm going to lean towards the winning player, the player that puts his team in position to win more often than not. Right. In an All Star Game. But if, if, if we're not. I think that the All Star Game is a celebration of our league's Talent of its, of its players that are playing the best, you know, and doing the coolest shit. And so I don't always think that you should take someone on a winning team if his numbers aren't as good as someone who might not be on a winning team and is doing crazy stuff statistically. So it's a very, I don't know what the balance is, Logan. I, I, I have a hard time articulating that. It's just one of those things for me that like if you're going to pay a guy. Yeah. Got to do that on a winning team. You know, if you're going to recruit a guy, you want a guy to come in and be a, like we need to do that and it's got to produce wins. If you want to give a guy all NBA first teams and MVPs like winning for sure. But like as far as all star goes. Yeah, I just don't, I don't, I don't know that winning is the first thing on my list of things criteria wise that I would be looking at.

[Logan Murdoch]

Let's get to the Western Conference really quickly. Anthony Edwards. These are the people that made the team. This is Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, James Harden, Jaren Jackson Jr. Sengun from the Rockets, Jalen Williams, Victor Wimanyama. What do you think of the list?

[Kaz]

At face value, I don't have a beef with the list. My brain's not working quick enough to figure out who would have been omitted there or who would have been left off that list. I'm assuming you're going to tell me. But off the top I don't have.

[Logan Murdoch]

A beef with that biggest one is Demonta Sabonis because, but like again it's Demonta Sabonis, Norman Powell, which I, I get it. I think he was just a victim of numbers at this point and, but Damonda Sabonis was back into was putting up historic numbers and Sangu, who has been playing really well on a winning team, winning more than the Sacramento Kings right now, got the nod over Sabonis.

[Kaz]

Let me. Do we have those numbers? Like what are like I'd be interested in that.

[Logan Murdoch]

Damontes is averaging 21, 14 and 6 leading the leaves lead leading the league in rebounds, double doubles And Sangu is 19, 10 and 5.

[Kaz]

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a tough one. Right, because we're, I mean they're, they're ballparkish numbers wise. Like that's not a huge discrepancy. I mean in terms of the rebounds maybe.

[Logan Murdoch]

Right.

[Kaz]

It was 14 and 10 there 21 and 19, you said. But you know, I don't mean to be hypocritical here. Right. But like that we're talking about a ballpark there and then, you know, as we're doing that, we're talking about one is second in the west at 32 and 15 and once hovering around 500. Like, I could see where Demontes. Like, yes, I could see that. Again, I would, I would categorize that as like guys, you know, down at the end. We're trying to split hairs here. Like we're trying to figure out like someone is going to be upset in.

[Logan Murdoch]

That.

[Kaz]

I could see where the Sabonis camp would be upset. And I don't mean hypocritical, but I probably err on the side of giving guy on the second team in the, in the west that. Because the numbers are relatively close for me.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah. And. And also like we're talking about coaches here and I'm sure like the reputationally right now with the Kings right now, I mean, and their play over the last few years, even though they've been good, it's been. Hasn't been as respected as what the Rockets are doing this season. Like, it just is what it is. And we're talking about coaches right now picking the reserves. I think people need to realize that part of the equation. Right. And what typically a coaches will. A coach will value in this sense. So I mean, it's a. It's pretty much splitting hairs and I don't think anybody. It's not the most egregious omission of NBA history. I think everybody will be fine. And I don't think it's going to be like that memorable other than like the respective fan bases involved. But like, think we're doing okay? I think we're fine.

[Kaz]

Yeah, we're fine. It's always, I mean, it's hilarious like that the coach's vote is always going to prioritize winning and no one even goes out to win the damn game. Like, like it. I always find that that's fascinating. Right. Like we're.

[Logan Murdoch]

We're all games.

[Kaz]

We got. We got to reward the winners. Yeah. The games. Yeah. But I mean, there is something to like, look, the Rockets have been a great story. They've been playing great. They've been. They've been one of the, you know, one of the hottest topics in the league as, as of late. And there's some, there's some, you know, there's something to be said for that too. Right. Where Sacramento just doesn't have any real juice. So.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah, well, that's all we care right about this right now. 15 minutes in. That's it. That's all we got for you guys. It is what it is. It was a thing we had to talk about. Rising spirited debate.

[Kaz]

Great potting.

[Logan Murdoch]

Good job by you, bud. Yeah. What now the thing that I really wanted to talk to you about today. Let's get to the shits. Adam Silver was on. It was on with Dan Patrick. It was a couple days ago. I think it was like, I think Tuesday. Sorry if I don't have that. Right. But he, they were talking at a really good conversation just about state of the league stuff, you know, headed into the All Star game and things like that. And one of the things that Adam Silver proposed was changing and changing the quarters from 12 minutes to 10 minutes to align more with the college game and the international game and also cater a little bit more to the fans to have a two hour game, more of a two hour game just for television. Right. He said that it might not be popular and it wasn't among coaches, but he's, but he's, but that's something he's proposed to, you know, as they go into this new TV landscape and go into this new era of NBA. What would you think about a 10 minute quarter and change it from a 10 to a 12 minute quarter?

[Kaz]

Yeah, I mean I don't, I don't love it. I think, you know, initially it'd be pretty difficult for, for staffs to try to figure out, you know, minutes, rotations. Like there's going to, there'd be some hiccups. The guys would, guys would. It would be weird for guys playing that they just become accustomed to the, to the, to the ebbs and the flows of games, you know, throughout the course of a career. But I don't know that it would, that it would change much. But I honestly don't love it. I think the NBA is a different product. When you start to talk about college basketball and FIBA basketball and just about any other level of basketball. Like the entertainment value that's baked into the NBA I think is baked in, in a way that's not in other leagues. And so I don't really know that you need to be trying to become more like those, those other leagues. Like the NBA stands on its own. Like with that.

[Logan Murdoch]

I feel like we're getting to a point right now with Adam Silver where we're just not to say we're making changes for the sake of making changes because I know that There is a, there is some level, I mean, he said it in the interview that there's some level of thought behind it there. You know, we want to cater to the fans. You know, we've always had, we've had this ratings discussion throughout the season that's been a narrative. Um, but I think for the last five years there have been a lot of changes in this that no one really asked for. Right. Like that don't really make. That don't really make sense to the quality of the game. Right. Like, I mean no one, like we, we had, me and RA Had a decent time in Vegas a year ago. But like nobody asked necessarily for an in season tournament. Right. Like, and no one is asking for all of this reform. We're just asking for the basketball to be better. We're asking for you to, you know, people to care about the basketball of it all. Yeah, I'm not. He was also talking about like, you know, things like shooting two free throws if you get fouled behind in three point line. Like what is I. And also another thing that we're doing, and this is like a preview of how I'm going to feel about the All Star Game. But it's like you making up all these new rules that people have to continually catch up with, like, oh, did you. What's going on here? What's doing. What are we doing here? And I feel like there's just changes for the sake of making changes when the real change should be how to make the game better and the game. I don't think that this, over the last few years, the changes that Adam Silver has proposed to make other than the plan. I really do like the plan, but like, I don't feel like these little rule things are actually making the game better. It's actually just helping people in a boardroom say, like, hey, we're. This is, this is a good product to sell.

[Kaz]

Yeah, I mean I, I would agree with you that the game, none of these rules are really making it a more, more enjoyable product. You know, and let me just go back to like what I was saying about the leagues, you know, not being like any other league, like the NBA. If you watched FIBA basketball, like watch one of our Olympic teams go play in FIBA basketball and, and, or watch college ball or just tap in and watch some Euro League basketball. The physicality, like the amount of times that we will blow a whistle for a star so that they can go to the line to supplement those averages so that the fan can get the scoring that the league wants is crazy. Like they don't hand those out in Euroleague. They don't hand those out in college basketball. You don't see a parade of people going to the free throw line, you know, like, like you do in the NBA, the defensive three seconds. Like that's not a rule that exists in college basketball. It's not a rule that exists in your league that's in the NBA. So you can see your favorite mofo get by his defender and take off and, and put his neck on the rim because there's no help side low man or, or he was there and then he had to get back out so he didn't get the defensive three second calls. So all of those rules are in or in place like for scoring and for you know, like the scoring. Be the perception being that the fan wanted the scoring and so we're going to put in the rules. Like shortening the game is just like, that's not like, that doesn't make sense if, if everything else you're doing is to, is to drive points up and to your point, it's just the aesthetics of the game. The game has evolved without, with the game itself. Not the rules, not the NBA. Like the game has evolved into what it's become. Like again, I'm watching, I'm watching Memphis and Houston last night. And this comes on the heels of Texas being at my son's school, right? So I'm up there to see them. Like the first question I get asked by coach choice, the running backs coach, is like, what do I think of NBA games? Like do I think it's better or do I think it's worse? First question I get asked, right? So we get into this whole thing about the game and so now we're into it like, you know, it was coach Gilbert, Coach Milwe and everybody's talking about all the threes and how it goes up and down and how there's, and, and that just happened like the analytics driven world and what people are putting stock in and the way they're training and the messaging that they're giving to players, it's turned the game into that. The rules that you put in place aren't, aren't affecting that. They're, they're not, they're not affecting that. That's what aesthetically is hard for some people to watch. It ain't necessarily the length of the game. Well, I'm sure the length might bother some people, but by and large, it's not the length of the game that's bothering people. It's the way it's being played, Raja.

[Logan Murdoch]

I was at the. I was at the Warriors Thunder game the other day when Shay shot a gazillion fucking free throws. Yeah, it took the life out of the game, bro.

[Kaz]

Yeah, the parade to the free throw line.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah, the parade to the free throw line.

[Kaz]

Was that the 52 ball?

[Logan Murdoch]

That was a 52 ball. That was a 52 ball.

[Kaz]

Cooking early cooking.

[Logan Murdoch]

I will say this though. I mean, people don't want to see the free throws. I will say this. Another. Another thing about Shay's 52 that I don't want to hate on that boy is it's the SM. It was like the smoothest 52 that I had seen in a while, you know, like where you look up like, damn, like, you know, he's dancing with the defense. It's a waltz to the. You know what I mean? It was a waltz to the free throw line, but it was also a waltz like around your favorite defender. But sure, the biggest thing out of that game was why does dude like is a parading to the free throw line? Because he's a star and he can draw fouls, right? Like, but that's been something. That's not just a now thing, right? Like the famous clip of Magic in. In. In MJ is if you breathe on Michael, it's a foul, right? Like, this has always been a thing in the NBA. I mean, you lived it guarding Kobe and everybody else's favorite player, right? Where you're playing sound defense and this is what happens. Like if you're going to. If you're going to do this, like, actually make substantial change, right? Like, I don't know, I just.

[Kaz]

The league, two minutes a quarter, ain't it? Like, I mean that's. It's not really. I mean, I don't know, man. Like, I'm not railing. I have no. I have no beef with it. But like, I guess I'm saying all that to say I agree with you. Like, I don't think two minutes is really.

[Logan Murdoch]

He said he wanted to get it to 2 hours when the average game is 2 hours and 16 minutes. He's doing this for 15 minutes of 15 minutes. For 15 minutes.

[Kaz]

We're tinkering. All right, now I hear you.

[Logan Murdoch]

We'll see what happens. All right, man, let's take a quick break and I want to talk about Zion Williamson.

[David Shoemaker]

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[Kaz]

Like, they've. I mean, there have been signs of that forever. Like, they. They clearly don't see eye to eye on. On much of anything. Yeah, let me be clear. I mean, when you start off with. Let me be clear, like, you've said it. You said it all there. I'm saying let's set this record straight. This is not me. This is them. Um, you know, I've not spoken to, like, Griff or anybody about this, so this is just me kind of like, if anybody would ask me, play his ass. Play him. Give him what he wants. Yeah, like I. Yeah, play him. I Mean, I get. I get what you've done there is like. And I've said this before many a time on this pod, and I don't know how. How often it falls on deaf ears versus how often people are listening to what I'm saying, which is like, bigger picture. Load management and not playing in games was never. Well, not never, but it wasn't really the genesis of that, wasn't really player driven. It was sports science driven. It was information analytics driven from, you know, the data that they were getting, moving its way up through coaches management, management to owner trying to protect the interest of. Of the investment and then therefore the ability to win a championship. And so as they throw all this data in, it was supporting people taking these rest, these targeted rests in between days of work or games in a way that kind of turned into load management. It wasn't pervasive across the league. It was just a couple people doing well, it was San Antonio for a while. Right. Nobody else was really doing it. And then know everybody started to have a star and you want to rest him, especially as they get older. So I get why New Orleans is doing that with Zion. Like, and Griff is big into the numbers too. So, like, they are trying to protect him, but, like, at some point, throw his ass out there, just let him go.

[Logan Murdoch]

You got to take the training wheels off.

[Kaz]

Yeah, just let him go. Like, let him go. And then. And then you'll know, like, definitively like, and. And then you could have your own press conference. Say, let us. Let us like, set the record straight. Let us be clear.

[Logan Murdoch]

It's just a mess, bro.

[Kaz]

We're letting him. We're letting him go and he cannot stay healthy. Look. Look what he. Look what happened. And if he does, then he does, and then you got. You know, maybe you're not 12 and 36 or whatever you are.

[Logan Murdoch]

All right? I mean.

[Kaz]

Yeah, 12 and 36, my good buddy.

[Logan Murdoch]

Hey, yo, you. That was. That was a Steph look away right there.

[Kaz]

That was a pool there.

[Logan Murdoch]

Well, God, dog, so sick of watching the Pelicans. You know, when you go and you. I mean, I'm sure you experience this a lot more than I do, but, like, when you go and you turn on a television show or you turn on a. A game, trying to support your partner or whatever, you're trying to just, you know, let me just put it. And it's just ass. You know, that pit in your stomach. Have you ever. Have you ever experienced that where you're just like, I really love this person, but this is not going the way it should be going, and you just feel kind of guilty for, like, you're just like, you know, let me just turn this off.

[Kaz]

Yep. Yeah, I've been there.

[Logan Murdoch]

And then when they ask you be like, yeah, I saw, I saw that. Yeah, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was I. Yeah.

[Kaz]

Well, when you get to, like, when you get to like, what am I, 48 right now, turning 49? Am I turning 50? I'm turning 49. I think when you get up, when you get up here, Logan, like, you don't even front.

[Logan Murdoch]

You look great, brother. Look great, brother.

[Kaz]

Yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you. I wasn't fishing, but I appreciate that you don't really lie about that anymore.

[Logan Murdoch]

When did you get to the point where you stopped? When did you get to the point where. Because I felt like you already were like that for as long as I've, I mean, I guess for as long as I've known you.

[Kaz]

But, like, I always shot it pretty straight. But I did take people's, you know, I never, I wasn't a, I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Like, you know, at my core, I'm not someone who enjoys doing that. Like, I, I, I don't like to sugarcoat things, but, like, I, I will if, if I care about your feelings. But I mean, I'd probably say the last seven or eight years for me, man, 40 plus have been like, look, though, why the I'ma lie to you? I mean, I, I, no, no, I'm not watching. I'm not watching. I don't know what to tell you, bro. I tapped in. It was terrible. I stopped watching. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I wear the same jeans now, like, two, three days in a row. Like, I ain't even tripping. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not. What. Let's go, bro.

[Logan Murdoch]

And the same ones.

[Kaz]

Yeah, like, I'm not even. What am I doing that I'm past all of that.

[Logan Murdoch]

What's funny is these stories will never leave the group chat and the pre pod meetings. But Raja is about that action, boss. Every, every other thing, Roger has a story about how he, he just, he was wilding, you know what I mean?

[Kaz]

Amen.

[Logan Murdoch]

I've had my day, you know what I mean? Speaking of having their days or not having their days, the Sacramento Kings, dear. And Fox coming to an end.

[Kaz]

What happened now?

[Logan Murdoch]

Well, I mean, now, the report came earlier this week that the Kings are open to trading Darren Fox. Right? Like this Is. And it's. We could have a whole other discussion of just like journalism just being a series of media rollouts for a certain person manipulating said media. You know, I'm getting too inside baseball here, but basically, Rich Paul is. It seems to be trying to get De'Aaron Fox to San Antonio at this point, right? And it comes on the heels of where the King. It comes on the heels of Mike Brown's firing a month ago. Doug Christie surprisingly making this team into somewhat an interesting ball club. You know, they won the seven straight. They won, I think, what, 10 of 11, and now they've lost three out of four, coinciding with, you know, this report that came out for both front of the show, Sam Amick and Sham Sharania. But I just, when I see this going on with these two teams, it's just on the, on the Darren Fox side, it's like, wherever you go, bro, you better kill it because at this point in your career, like, you have, you know, you've, You've, you've gotten your team to the postseason, right? But has it been a bona fide, like. And you've gotten all the pieces around you, right? Hasn't been a bonafide, like, right. It's like a tear below the dude, right? Maybe like tier three, like, the tier one is like the guy that the one man, like, title contender tier two was like the, you know, the Anthony Davis is of the world, as Roger likes to put it. And I'm agreeing with. And then there's like the tier three of guys that are trying to get to tier two and show people. I feel like Fox is in that mode and I feel like if he does get his shot with Wimby, they better, they better soar.

[Kaz]

Yeah.

[Logan Murdoch]

And then I look again on the King side where you talk about. We were talking about a rudderless franchise with the Pelicans. What do you do now, Right? Like, if you trade away Darren Fox, who has been the best player of the last 15, 16 years in your.

[Kaz]

Franchise of a generation of Kings fans.

[Logan Murdoch]

And you couldn't make that work. Looks terrible on you. And then, like, I don't have any. I don't have much confidence that, you know, this is also a big, this is also a big moment for the Kings front Office and Monty McNair. But, like, I don't, I don't know how much of a return they're going to get because they're just like Flood, like Rich Paul and Clutch are just like Flood, like, killing all leverage right now by these leaks and So I don't know where we go from here. I don't know what's going on here. It's. It's looking really ugly in Sacramento is all I'm saying.

[Kaz]

Yeah. I mean, this is more about Sacramento for me than it is about. Than it is about box. Yeah. Dear. And I mean, just, you know, again, I have no insight into what's going on there. I don't know anybody on that team. Like, I'm not. I'm just a fan, an observer. But it's the. It's the age old. Like, if. If you go to four different places and everywhere you are, there's a problem. Right? Or in this case, if any number of people come through your organization, either a coach, a player, executives. And there's always an issue. I mean, there's always an issue, no matter who it is. The consistent thing is you. So to your point, I mean, I don't. I don't know that they've done anything egregiously wrong there. It's been. It's been a ride. And I imagine De'Aaron Fox is looking around and Clutch is looking around with no map. And they're in there. They're sitting there in the navigation like, you know, you ride in shotgun. Your job is to navigate back in the day. Or you. You know, when D arrives with me, because I'm too old to really, like. Like, watch the phone and know what roads are splitting. Like, I screw that up all the time because they pop up so late.

[Logan Murdoch]

So it ain't because you old, Ra. It's not. Cause you old.

[Kaz]

That makes me feel better. So Dia's job is to be reading. Hey, bro. Stay left, dad. Stay left. Stay right. Or Ty or whoever's in. Whoever's in there.

[Logan Murdoch]

You ever go off on them when they be missing. When they be missing the turns and do they miss?

[Kaz]

Oh, yeah, because they got it. They have attention spans of like. Of like fleas. So, like, sometimes they'll check out on me, and I'm like, yo, hey, my man, what the. We just. You know.

[Logan Murdoch]

So how the hell did we get to Orlando, bro?

[Kaz]

What in the hell? No, Right? But, like, point being, like, he's. They're sitting there as in shotgun. With. With. With this. With this. King's driving. Like, yo, we. So we have no. We have no directions here. Like, you just. You're just asking me as somebody sitting in the passenger seat to get you from here to New York with. Without. Like, without any real plan. And I always talk about that. Like, give me a plan. Give Me, give me, give me some stability. And look again, I don't know definitively that that's the case, but when you have a track record, you know that, that, that kind of speaks for itself. I imagine that after this much time, that's what they're, that's what they're saying, like, hey man, look, we're good. We've seen enough, we've had enough. Like, we represent enough people in other organizations to know that it doesn't always have to be like this. And so we went out and forgive me if that's not the case, but that's, that's what, as an observer, that's what I tend to believe it is.

[Logan Murdoch]

Vivek Ronaldive got the job. Got the job. He bought the team in 2013, I believe only has one post season berth, only has one play. Ins don't count. And before that, I mean, Roger, you, you lived it. You knew, you knew it before his ownership. You knew what it was after the Chris, like in the middle, after the Chris Weber, Mike Bibby days. You knew what the. Whenever you're going to the Kings game, it was back in the day, I remember when I was in high school, we used to have those games where you, it was a game to get your film up. The Kings were always the game to get your film up, you know, get some plays on the film. And we know who does have a roadmap at all times. Rich Paul at all times. He knows where to get his client and he knows how to get them there. So we'll see what's happened. This is, I feel, but I feel for that fan base because that fan base is like so thirsty for a winner, but don't know what. Like it's been so long since they've had sustained winning that they'll pretty much take anything that is kind of given to them. And it's sad like, because they deserve, they're, they're, they've been through a lot and you know, I don't think that with their front office and their ownership that they're going to get to the promised land there. So we'll see. I'm going to Raja switching gears really quickly. I'm going to send you something. Hang on. Get checked your phone, buddy. And I want you to play it on air. I'm going to give context to this really quickly before it goes. So the other day I was obviously at warriors, at Warriors, Oklahoma City because I wanted to see the Thunder. It's the only time to come to the Bay and Grant Hill was Was at the. Was their pregame for. To give Steve Kerr and. And Steph Curry their. Their Team USA rings. But pregame I sent it to you. There was an exchange play the tape. Playing in the NBA, you've worn many hats and obviously been a great coach, but prior to that, you were a general manager for the Phoenix Suns. And I'm wondering if you could share with the media maybe your top three.

[Kaz]

Favorite players on that Suns team.

[Logan Murdoch]

Well, everyone knows Steve Nash would be number one. Let's see.

[Kaz]

Raja Bell immediately comes to mind.

[Logan Murdoch]

You like Raja? Yeah, that's your guy, you know, and then Amari. Yeah, Amari.

[Kaz]

So no, nobody else.

[Logan Murdoch]

Really?

[Kaz]

Nobody else comes to mind. See, see, see.

[Logan Murdoch]

Hey, that was.

[Kaz]

Was that.

[Logan Murdoch]

That was me in the front row hold you down. I gave him. I was like, yeah, Rock. Yes. So give some backstory to this. And we're going to have. We're going to have Isaiah clip that in post. But so immediately, right when he says Roger Bale, I'm like, yeah, yeah, fucking right he is. Right? That's my guy. Right? And you heard the Steve reaction.

[Kaz]

Yeah.

[Logan Murdoch]

And so I immediately text Roger, right? Like, yo, Steve brought you up. Is like one of his favorite sons. I'm not going to say, like, the full thing. I'm going to just say, he said whatever, motherfucker. Right. Raja, why don't you, like, why can't you accept being loved is really what I want to ask. That's the segment that we're going to have right now. Why can't Raja accept being loved by the greater basketball community in Legends? Because this isn't the first time this has happened.

[Kaz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Logan Murdoch]

And people give you your flowers and you go, whatever. So first off, what was your reaction? And then, why can't you get flowers?

[Kaz]

My. I mean, clearly someone told him to say my name in the clip. So, like, that. My first reaction was like, please.

[Logan Murdoch]

Oh, my God. Clearly.

[Kaz]

Clearly, that was the setup. So, like, that was. My initial reaction was like, I forget where I was, too. I saw that. I was like, please.

[Logan Murdoch]

Friend of the show Steve Carr, by the way.

[Kaz]

Please. But no, I mean, if. If, you know, like, listen, I. I'm a. I'm a fan of Steve's ever since he would play with the Bulls dog. Like, that was my squad. So if. If in fact, that was genuine, I do appreciate it. Why it might be hard for me because my safe space was always. People disrespected me, Logan. Like, no, but that's how I came up. Like, it's how I came up in Youth basketball. It's how I came up in, in high school and college. So like, it allowed me to have a chip that if I otherwise didn't have, I might not have been able to make a career out of playing in the NBA. So I'm just like doing a little couch session with myself. Maybe that's why it's hard for me sometimes, you know what I mean? I don't know.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah. So you really was like out of here. Steve Carter said that you gassing me.

[Kaz]

You definitely. I'm still calling. Somebody prompted him to say that.

[Logan Murdoch]

So like he literally said it. I didn't prompt him. I was.

[Kaz]

That was a scrum. That was a media session.

[Logan Murdoch]

That was a, that was a media session. That was a media scrum. Grant Hill got the mic. Also. Grant Hill talks. I mean, I don't know if you how well you know Graham, but like Grant talks like how he talks on TV in real life. Like he doesn't miss a word and like, you know what I mean? Like, it's always smooth and like very.

[Kaz]

Very buttoned up in presidential.

[Logan Murdoch]

I like. Bro, do you ever, like. He doesn't ever miss a moment. He did that in a impromptu as media session. That voice right there was impromptu media.

[Kaz]

No, listen, you could be at dinner with Hill. You could be at dinner with Jiho and, and be like a glass or two deep of wine or something. And like in the most laid back of settings, like, he's still sounds like that, so not surprising.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah, for sure. Were you and Steve close in sp at all?

[Kaz]

Steve Kerr and I. Steve Kerr, Yeah. Yeah. You know, I like, I like Steve. Like we, we do, we did like, we did training camp in San Diego one year. Like, and that was Steve's town. Like, so like, you know, we, we, we go out like, you know, a couple times over the course of the, the training camp. I think we went out and like to someplace stingray or something like that. And his, you know, the wives were there and like, I liked his wife. I like Stevie. I was cool with Steve. I know.

[Logan Murdoch]

Beef with Steve, clearly, because, you know, he loves you. I'm just saying, you know.

[Kaz]

Hey, no, I mean, I, I, I really meant it though because I again, I was a fan growing up and like those dudes were like him, Terry Porter, Sean Elliott, David Robinson, Danny Ferry, Jaren Jackson senior. Like, all of those dudes were like the vets that I like. I revered a lot of those dudes. When I got to San Antonio, when I was trying to make their team, so like I had that Connection with Steve, too, you know, So I had seen. I had seen Steve, so, like, yeah, I was cool with Steve.

[Logan Murdoch]

Steve, bring your ass back on the show and stop playing. Like, I also said. I also. You know, I'm always, like, working. I'm always, like, promoting, and I was like, you at. When he walked off, like, you couldn't promote the pod with the. That's literally what I like, bro. What the. You gonna say Rises day, but you're gonna say he has a very great podcast on the ringer dot com. Are you serious? That you've been on before? And then. Yeah, so, you know, we're here anyways.

[Kaz]

Well, I appreciate. I appreciate the shout like that. Yeah, that. That actually means a lot. I appreciate it.

[Logan Murdoch]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Because he only shouts us out when. When, like, something, like, crazy is happening. Like, bad is happening. Like, when he gets into a. A tiff with his former superstar and we're caught in the middle of it. Remember that? Remember the good old days of real ones, Roger? Remember that? Yeah, we were caught in a media.

[Kaz]

You were messy.

[Logan Murdoch]

How was I?

[Kaz]

I was just dragged along for the ride. I was just sitting here one day and. And hear you, like, Because I don't get a run. Like, it ain't like a rundown. We were just coming on here popping, and so here you go, launching into it. When do I remember it? Yeah, I was just caught. I was in a crossfire with Steve.

[Logan Murdoch]

No, you weren't, Roger. No, you weren't.

[Kaz]

I do remember the days I didn't.

[Logan Murdoch]

Get no calls, bro. You didn't. You was like, what happened? You didn't get no calls. I was one that got called because he said, I went on Logan Murdoch's podcast, and I was like, okay. And I was the one that got the blowback. You didn't get the blowback.

[Kaz]

You were like, no, I didn't know. I didn't say. I didn't say I got blowback. I meant, like, I was. I was. Yeah, no, Yeah. I mean, no, I did not get the blowback. I did not have to answer any questions in regards to, like, making that a bigger story than it. Than it was.

[Logan Murdoch]

All right, we're trying. We're stretching this episode long enough. What? It's. It's Friday, so you know what that'd be. Do you think that they know what we're doing?

[Kaz]

Raja? Yes, sir. Ski.

[Logan Murdoch]

Do you think that they. That they're onto our shit? All right, let's get to a little segment we like to call Real one of the week. I don't have one at the moment, so I'm going to give it to Roger really quickly so he could do it and I could stall.

[Kaz]

Yeah, I mean, this isn't going to be anything new. I mean, I think I saw. I saw Bill and them going over it and Ryan talking about him the other day, but. And I know the whole NBA is talking about him right now. Amen Thompson, right?

[Logan Murdoch]

Praise be.

[Kaz]

Yeah. And just his development as a player. I remember walking in a gym. I don't know how many years ago this was, but my guys were really little and we were waiting to play up at the Coral Springs Rec center, and I saw two long, lanky, really young looking kids playing in what looked like a high school division. And I walked by and I was like, man, those kids can play a little bit. And I came back when my dad was coaching with me at the time. So we stood there and watched a little bit, and then there was a brother standing next to me that was like. I asked him about them and he was like, oh, I actually coached them, like, you know, told me where they were from and everything like that and told me their age. And they were babies, they were like in the sixth or seventh grade, playing in a high school division, and they were cold. Like, they were tough back then. And so I followed them ever since. Right. But to see what he's doing and watching him last night just start to round out that midi, start to get really comfortable in different, like, crafty situations, you know, in the paint, around the rim, scoring the ball. You know, he's. He's one of the highest level athletes, you know, in a league full of freaky athletes. I think it's been cool to watch him. I'm gonna give him real one of the week.

[Logan Murdoch]

That's dope, man. The Bay Florida connection, you know what I mean? Shout out. No doubt. I'm gonna give mine to Dwyane Wade, who revealed that, you know, he underwent surgery for. To have part of his kidney removed for a cancerous tumor. You know, I hope he's doing well. He talked about on his podcast and one of the things that, like, really stuck out to me was like, you know, he had some issues with himself and then immediately sought medical attention. You know, a lot of people in our community tend to, you know, not do that. So, like, I'll be.

[Kaz]

I.

[Logan Murdoch]

You know what I mean? Go get yourself checked out, man. You never know. Like, you never know what might happen to you. And first of all, I'm glad he's doing okay, but also, given the awareness that, like, yo, I was feeling pain, I went to go see a doctor. You know what I mean? So ruin of the week for. For D. Wade and I hope that, you know, he's doing better in his recovery and all those things. And also, like, just having the wherewithal to. To share, you know, and no doubt. So Real one of the week to Dwyane Wade. A few things before we get out of here. First thing is real onesmailbag gmail.com real onesmailback gmail.com realonesmailbagrawil.com should I say one more time, Roger? I think I'm gonna say one more time. Real bag gmail.com Also, there's still tickets available for our show on February 15th. The punchline at San Francisco. Raja Bell will be there. I will be there. Howard Mother Beck will be there. Could be some special guests there. Come tap in. Might be some special guests in the audience. Never know, never know who you might meet, you know, and then. So we'll get your tickets there. Ticket link will be in the pod description. So will your reminder to check out. I'm gonna just say it again. Rowanwell's mailbag gmail.com rowanwellsmailback gmail.com what is that email again, Raja? I forgot it.

[Kaz]

Real ones mailbagmail.com fucking right.

[Logan Murdoch]

So we're gonna talk. Talk all that stuff on Monday. On Tuesday. Excuse me. With Howard Mfing Beck. It's been a great week. Great to see you, Raja. We both got to get out of here. See you guys on Monday. Talk to you soon. Ah, all this shit. Bye.