Carl Higbie, Kid Rock & Michael Charbon: The Voices Taking on the Radical Left

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show

Episode: “Carl Higbie, Kid Rock & Michael Charbon: The Voices Taking on the Radical Left”

Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Featured Guests: Carl Higbie, Michael Charbonne, Kid Rock, Stephen Miller

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Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show tackles the aftermath and cultural reverberations of the assassination of conservative figure Charlie Kirk. Through a mix of humor, seriousness, and passionate dialogue, Rob Carson and high-profile guests like Carl Higbie, Michael Charbonne, and Stephen Miller explore topics such as political violence, the rise of a “spiritual movement,” left-wing versus right-wing violence, media narratives, threats to free speech, and the future of political and cultural movements in America and abroad. The conversation is framed within a deeply personal, emotional, and often spiritual tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Assassination of Charlie Kirk: A “Turning Point”

• Immediate Reactions:
  • (02:06) Rob opens by describing the rapid expansion of Turning Point USA and calls Kirk’s death both a political and spiritual catalyst:

    "The movement my husband built will not die. No. In fact, it accelerated to light speed… They did the exact opposite of what they thought they could do." (Rob Carson, 02:06)

  • The episode repeatedly frames the murder as a galvanizing event that has supercharged conservative activism, not just in the U.S. but worldwide.
• Moral Equivalency “Destroyed:”
  • Rob argues that attempts to create moral parity between left and right violence have failed.
  • "99.9% of the violence in this country is from the left and caused by the rhetoric and the actions of the Democrat Party." (Rob Carson, 02:41)

2. Left-Wing Violence vs. Right-Wing Response

• Carl Higbie’s No-Holds-Barred Commentary:
  • (05:04) Higbie passionately lists incidents (from BLM riots to Trump assassination attempts) which he attributes to left-wing forces, condemns “tolerance” of radical views:

    "We're not doing that anymore. We're not taking it anymore... My mother-in-law is banned from my house." (Carl Higbie, 05:04)

  • He emphasizes conservatives’ restraint in the face of violence:

    "There is no conservative that I know that thinks we should shoot anyone for calling us a Nazi. But they call us Nazis to justify somebody shooting at us." (Carl Higbie, 06:23)

  • (06:57) On personal resolve:

    "I'm a savage that in the not so distant past killed a ton of bad guys... I'll never be the aggressor. But if you seek to harm me and my family, you’re gonna find out what savage is." (Carl Higbie, 06:57)

• Rob’s Take:
  • Rob echoes Higbie’s assessment, arguing conservatives are better morally, intellectually, and physically equipped.

3. Celebrating Violence and the “Assassination Culture”

• Moral Decay and Radicalization:
  • (11:44) Stephen Miller points to a growing “assassination culture” and increasing acceptance of violence among younger generations.

    "We need to bring the fricking nuthouses back..." (Stephen Miller, 11:53)

• Social Media and Professional Fallout:
  • Rob discusses healthcare and education professionals being identified for celebrating Kirk’s death online and calls for their dismissal (07:13–10:00).
  • Emphasizes that freedom of expression does not entitle employees to promote violence or celebrate assassinations at work.

4. Conservative Restraint and “Spiritual Awakening”

• Contrast in Responses:

  • (20:46) Higbie celebrates the absence of violent response from conservatives, focusing on prayer, vigils, and faith:

    "Millions have seen that video. But conservatives did not riot. Conservatives did not loot… Instead of burning buildings, rioting and looting, conservatives spent the weekend holding vigils…" (Carl Higbie, 20:46)

• Expansion of the Movement:

  • (14:03) Higbie notes:

    "We've had over 37,000 inquiries... to start new college and high school chapters... Charlie's going to achieve his dream much, much more quickly..." (Carl Higbie, 14:03)

• International Impact:

  • Rob and Charbonne discuss a “spiritual awakening” in Canada and Europe, citing burgeoning conservative rallies (24:38-25:34).

    "I'm seeing Canadians getting together in candlelight vigils to pray. Maybe this is the spiritual awakening… that Canada needs." (Rob Carson, 24:38)

5. Generational and Cultural Gaps on Political Violence

• Polling and Data:

  • Michael Charbonne cites polling showing rising acceptance of political violence among Millennials (29%) and Gen Z (42%), compared to older generations, sparking concern (26:03–27:08).

• Assassination Culture Research:

  • (27:20) Higbie references Rutgers research on the “memeification” of assassination, with alarming numbers of left-leaning respondents finding political murder justified:

    "When it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump. I mean the numbers are just incredible, jaw dropping here." (Carl Higbie, 27:46)

6. Free Speech and University Climate

• Best and Worst for Free Speech:

  • Michael Charbonne names colleges ranked highest and lowest for free speech:
    • Top: University of Virginia, Michigan Tech, Florida State, Eastern Kentucky, Georgia Tech
    • Worst: Berkeley, Harvard, Columbia, NYU, UPenn, Barnard (31:44–32:31)

    "That means it’s trouble in River City when you can't hear the other side of an agreement…" (Michael Charbonne, 32:13)

• Role of Universities in Current Crisis:

  • Host and guests agree that many elite universities are manufacturing division and stifling real dialogue, feeding into what Rob labels a “brainwashed factory.”

7. International Context: UK, France, and Godly Mobilization

• Europe’s Political Shifts:

  • Discussion of rising conservatism in Poland, Turkey, France (reference to Le Pen), and a dissatisfaction with open borders and radicalism in the UK and France (34:28–35:45).

    "A million people in London did said, I don't recognize the London and the England that I grew up in. And this is wrong..." (Michael Charbonne, 35:45)

• Global “Awakening”:

  • Rob repeatedly frames these political reversals as both political and spiritual victories, accelerated by Kirk’s death.

8. Memorable Moments & Inspirational Rhetoric

• Spiritual Call to Action:
  • (36:33) Charbonne encourages Rob to keep speaking out:

    "Don't let your voice grow dim." (Michael Charbonne, 36:33)

  • Rob ends with a stirring, biblical-themed summation:

    "God Almighty's gonna cut him down… There's only so long that evil is going to be able to run roughshod over the world… If you want to leave the Democrat Party and get on this life-saving moment, I would do it before the door is closed." (Rob Carson, 37:05)

• Integration of Pop Culture:
  • References to Kid Rock’s performance at the RNC as reflective of America (10:00–11:15).
  • Personal anecdotes, 80s/90s nostalgia, references to Johnny Cash’s “God's Gonna Cut You Down” and Audio Slave’s “Show Me How to Live” to underscore spiritual themes (36:55–37:05).

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Carl Higbie:

  "We sat idly by while your party supported BLM riots and you burned down cities. Antifa spitting on cops, church shootings, Trump assassination attempts times two. Burning Tesla dealerships…" (05:04)

• Rob Carson:

  "It's going to be a rock solid ass kicking." (05:37)

• Carl Higbie:

  "You guys shot the nice one. Conservatives have figured out... we can be called racist, homophobic bigots, Nazis and fascists and lose. Or... win." (05:43)

• Stephen Miller:

  "We need to bring the fricking nuthouses back." (11:53)

• Michael Charbonne:

  "The problem is to be a conservative is to be a target… 40% of students in Canada who believe that they are conservative don’t want to express their point of views because they feel a retaliation…" (28:43)

• Rob Carson:

  "There has never been a more apt comparison between Daniel and the lion's den." (29:22)

• Carl Higbie:

  "We have a left wing political violence problem in America." (29:49)

• Rob Carson:

  "I do believe we are at a period of great awakening... Charlie Kirk’s assassination… has set the world on fire and it’s going to be for good." (35:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:06] Show opens; framing episode purpose; shift from ads/banter
• [02:06] Discussion of Charlie Kirk’s legacy and movement growth
• [05:04–07:13] Carl Higbie’s extended commentary on left-wing violence and conservative resolve
• [11:44] Stephen Miller and Rob discuss the roots of young radicals
• [14:03] Rise in new TPUSA chapter inquiries after Kirk’s death
• [20:46] Higbie: conservatives’ nonviolent response to Kirk’s death
• [24:16–28:43] Michael Charbonne’s Canadian perspective, generational polling on violence
• [31:44–32:31] University free speech climate best/worst list
• [33:31–35:45] Cultural/European context, awakening in France, UK, and Canada
• [36:33–37:05] Show closing—spiritual call to action and memorable sign-off

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Tone & Language

• Direct, informal, anecdotal, and often emotionally charged
• Frequent mixing of humor and gravity (e.g., "ass kicking," pop culture call-backs, biblical metaphors)
• Unapologetically partisan, with sharp condemnation of the political left and celebrations of “spiritual revival”

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Summary Conclusion

Through candid, often impassioned exchanges, Rob Carson and his guests convey that Charlie Kirk’s assassination marks not a defeat, but the ignition of an unprecedented conservative and spiritual resurgence. The show sharply critiques the left for what the panel sees as a monopoly on political violence, questions the current state of American education and media, and highlights a global trend towards conservatism. The tone is one of determination, defiance, but also hopefulness—for a “moral and spiritual awakening” both in the U.S. and across the world.

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Transcript

[Rob Carson]

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[Michael Charbonne]

Big deal days Siet yocho de octobre.

[Rob Carson]

Martha listens to her favorite band all the time. In the car, gym, even sleeping.

[Michael Charbonne]

So when they finally went on tour.

[Rob Carson]

Martha bundled her flight and hotel on Expedia to see them live. She saved so much she got her.

[Michael Charbonne]

Seat close enough to actually see and hear them. Sort of.

[Rob Carson]

You were made to scream from the front row. We were made to quietly save you. More Expedia made to travel savings vary and subject to availability. Flight inclusive packages are atoll protected. Hold it.

[Michael Charbonne]

Now.

[Rob Carson]

You are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the world wide web. This is the Rob Carson show. This is the Rob Carson Show. Welcome to it. We are on radio stations around the country and of course streaming live on Newsmax X rumble and Facebook pages where they have been waiting, waiting for me to hit the air waves because we have a lot of things to get to. I know that, that I need you and you need me. That's why we're here together. We're going to get through all of this nonsense. I want to start with this from Charlie Kirk's widow.

[Carl Higbee]

You have no idea what you just.

[Rob Carson]

Have unleashed across this entire country and this world. You have no idea.

[Carl Higbee]

You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry to everyone listening tonight, across America, the.

[Rob Carson]

Movement my husband built will not die. No. In fact, it actually accelerated to light speed. To light speed it accelerated. I'm not sure how long it would have taken Charlie Kirk to sign up another 35 or 37,000 TPUSA chapters. But that has happened in the last week. They have accelerated his movement to light speed. They did the exact opposite opposite of what they thought they could do. The Democrat party for decade being fomenting violence, calling Donald Trump, Hitler, calling our move a maga fascist enemies of democracy, literally. We find out from Cash Patel today the FBI being weaponized against tpusa among other places. And I've also seen another narrative die faster than any narrative I've ever seen die. And that is the nonsense of moral relativity, of violence from the left versus violence from the right. It is so absurd, it is almost laughable. But they tried it for a little while and it's not working. Everybody knows, if you have half a brain, that 99.9% of the violence in this country is from the left and caused by the rhetoric and the actions of the Democrat Party. That's it. That's all. That's that. We know it, everybody knows it. And now we're moving from not only the acceleration of Charlie Kirk's movement around the world, by the way, and this is not only political, it's spiritual. It is gigantic. It is bigger than I could have ever imagined. If you've been listening to this show, you may recall I said that with Donald Trump's election, after them trying to kill him and put him in jail and take him off the ballot and all of that, I said we were in a spiritual battle and it was going to go. From this country around the world, we've seen freedom spreading with conservative leaders being elected in Poland and Turkey and France on the brink and Great Britain, the Brits are done, are done, are done with the New World Order nonsense and the radical Islamists. This is spreading greater. And now the spiritual aspect has been accelerated faster than I could have ever, ever imagined. I knew things that were going to happen, I just didn't know how fast they were going to happen. And by God, and I do mean that, by God, they are happening. It is happening. Carl Higbee is an amazing guy. He killed a lot of terrorists when he was in Iraq. He came back and I've asked him, I said, you know, do these images still haunt you? And he goes, no, Rob, I was trained to do that. I did what I had to do. I took out evil. Carl Higbee offers some of the greatest commentary about a variety of issues on Newsmax. You maybe not have heard of Carl Higbee. Some people haven't, but there's no one like him on network television. Here is Carl Higbee, last night, done.

[Carl Higbee]

We're not doing that anymore. We're not taking it anymore. I have no interest in tolerating your views because you guys are radical. My mother in law is banned from my house. We sat idly by while your party supported BLM riots and you burned down cities. Antifa spitting on cops, church shootings, Trump assassination attempts times 2. Burning Tesla dealerships Just because Elon wanted to cut a couple bucks from the federal government. Burning federal court. You stopped legislative proceedings with your stupid antics where you stormed government buildings, aiding illegal aliens, committing heinous crimes while.

[Rob Carson]

Remember when I told you the toddlers are going to get a spanking? Oh, it's. I think it's moved beyond a spanking. It's going to be a rock solid ass kicking.

[Carl Higbee]

Daniel Penney was arrested for dealing with a problem that you liberal prosecutors failed to address two dozen times. You carved a swastika in the side of my truck a few years ago. We're going to destroy your party. There's 74 million plus people just as angry. Actually, a lot of them are probably more angry than me. You guys shot the nice one. Conservatives have figured out one thing in the last week. That we can be called racist, homophobic bigots, Nazis and fascists and lose. Or we can be called racist, homophobic bigots and Nazis and fascists and win.

[Rob Carson]

Charlie Kirk's assassination was not a turning point. It was the turning point. It was the turning point.

[Carl Higbee]

But there is no conservative that I know that thinks we should shoot anyone for calling us a Nazi. But they call us Nazis to justify somebody shooting at us.

[Rob Carson]

Think about that. Yes.

[Carl Higbee]

I wonder if one of these shrieking purple haired purple people eater liberals are going to come to some college campus and come face to face with me and say, oh yeah, if I don't like what they say, I can use violence.

[Rob Carson]

I wouldn't recommend approaching Carl Higby in any way, shape or form.

[Carl Higbee]

No, nobody agrees with that. But you won't find me using violence to silence people because I'm not a fascist. But I can tell you what I am.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Carl Higbee]

I'm not just a news guy.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, straight up.

[Carl Higbee]

I'm a savage that in the not so distant past killed a ton of bad guys who threatened the rights for everyone here, including those purple haired people. I'll never be the aggressor. But if you seek to harm me and my family, you're gonna find out what savage is. Me and probably 22 million other veterans today.

[Rob Carson]

Kaboom. I told you, the left, they stand no chance against us. We are better armed intellectually and physically than they will ever be. We are a good and decent people. We do not foment rage and hate and violent acts and terrorism. We do not. Robert Redford died yesterday. Did you see any conservatives? Even though he was very left of center and frequently very vocal about his politics. Anybody online saying anything but wow, Robert Redford was an amazing Actor. He really was, man. I saw movies. River Runs Through It. The Natural, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, out of Africa. I can go on and on. Did anybody say anything about Robert Ridford? No. God rest in peace. Robert Redford, rest in peace. We enjoyed your time here on Earth and we enjoyed the fruits of your labor, which are your films. Congratulations. You had a long and healthy life. Godspeed. There you go. But not Democrats. Now, when it came to Charlie Kirk, there is an. I haven't seen the site. I think there's 20,000 people in a database who work in healthcare, who work in education, who have celebrated Charlie Kirk's death. These are used to be normal people. Can you imagine 20 years ago if you would have had your teacher walk in to your elementary school classroom, you know, wearing a variety of piercings and purple hair and a pride flag shirt, saying, hey, everybody, let's sing. Charlie Kirk got, you know, his. His head nearly cut off with a bullet. Hey, hey, let's dance. Everybody dance. No, you'd say, you have got to go. There's something wrong with your bloody head. You are wr. There is something wrong with you. You have no business teaching children. You have no business being in the operating room. You have no business flying an airplane if you have these kind of views. This isn't about freedom of speech. This is about whether you are mentally stable enough to do anything that requires responsibility whatsoever. You're sick in the head, in other words, and they're being fired and they should be fired. It's not about freedom of expression. You have no freedom of expression at work, by the way. You don't have freedom of expression at work. If you work at Walmart and you decide that you're going to wear a Black Lives Matter shirt as the door greeter without your blue vest on, they're going to say, pack your stuff up in your locker and gtfo. That's it. That's all. That's that. When you play in the NFL, you have to wear their sneakers. When you play in the NBA, you have to wear their jerseys and their sneakers. You have no freedom of expression and First Right Amendment at your workplace. You represent your workplace and your workplace has the opportunity to fire at you at will when you do something insane like celebrate the murder assassination of Charlie Kirk. A good and decent man. And don't try to say that he wasn't. You couldn't live up to 1/10 of Charlie Kirk as far as being a good and godly man, a decent man who actually debated things, went to college campuses and had Thousands of people come to watch him debate peacefully with those who absolutely opposed him. And they couldn't stand it anymore. He was getting too big. But guess what? You made him a lot bigger. And in the process, you have ended the Democrat Party. I told you the Democrat Party is going to have to be either completely overhauled and reinvented or fade into the dustbin of history. And they have leaned wholesale into the dust bin. They have shown that they are good for nothing. They are good for nothing. They've done nothing for the country. They've made nothing better. And now they foment violence and rage and then their followers carry it out and they have no regret whatsoever. It is a broken party. It has been a broken party forever. Everyone is starting to realize this, particularly those who have slavishly voted Democrat over the years in America's inner cities. And we've watched the inner cities crumble. This party is so intellectually and morally bankrupt that it cannot be saved. It cannot be saved. This is Kid Rock, who I love, by the way, who performed at the RNC convention. You know why? Because the RNC convention was America. Yeah. Proud and awesome and honest. Here's Kid Rock and you know, this.

[Stephen Miller]

Starts to build and build and build. So you get these nut house kids who are doing nothing but playing video games, watching these occult movies that are all over our streaming services or attempting.

[Rob Carson]

To change their gender that won't go.

[Stephen Miller]

Outside to play any sports or anything. And you know, then they think they're going to do something good. I'm going to go kill a Nazi. I'm going to go kill a racist. And they're literally mentally deranged. We need to bring the fricking nuthouses back. You know, I've heard, I've heard a lot of my liberal friends say it and, and they're exactly right. Like, you don't want to mess with us, people. We have the guns. We know how to use them. Like nobody wants that. Nobody wants an all out war. We understand that everyone on the left is not sick, but there are enough people in the media and enough, enough of these crazy liberals to, to that just create this big echo chamber. And I'm not saying there aren't crazy right wingers that do some. There's a little bit of guilty on both sides, but these people, I mean, they're, you know, they're supposed to be this inclusive, you know, this, that and the other, and they're the ones that don't want to talk and get along with anyone.

[Rob Carson]

I've lost all of my liberal friends. Dear, dear friends and relatives because of what I believe. Yeah, you're open minded.

[Stephen Miller]

Don't even want to sit down and break bread. I mean, I'm in this business where some of my friends, you know, people I've had big hits with, call me with this whack out stuff all the time. Yeah, you're going to keep it up. You're going to get, you're going to run into the wrong people. Some people I know.

[Carl Higbee]

Yeah.

[Stephen Miller]

And I'm gonna play that mess and it's, and it's not gonna be pretty. It is gonna be very ugly.

[Rob Carson]

We are not offensive in the ways that we act. But we've been pushed too far now. And if you continue down this path, it's not gonna be, it's not gonna end well for the Democrat party. I'm not talking about a physical conflict. If they started, they'll be sorry they did it. But I am saying that the Democrat party, unless it completely reinvents itself, is done. And so is this nonsense of moral equivalency. We all know where the violence comes from. We've got a lot of stuff on the show today, including your phone calls at 800-922-6680. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Stephen Miller]

The Rob Carson show podcast is everywhere. Go to Newsmax.com listen for details.

[Carl Higbee]

His legacy is expanding. It's growing. And one of the most important proof points for that is, you know, we've had over 37,000 inquiries come in for new chapters to start new college and high school chapters. And to put that in perspective, currently we only have 900. Well, only. It's still a lot, but 900 college chapters and 1200 high school chapters. And Charlie always wanted to have a Club America, which is our high school brand president on every high school across the country. And there's about 23,000 of them. And so I'm, you know, I'm here to tell you that Charlie's going to achieve his dream much, much more quickly than anybody could have ever possibly imagined.

[Rob Carson]

I told you. Light speed. Light speed. And what do the Democrat youth get together for? Not peaceful debate on campus. Not to forward the idea that America is great. They get together to celebrate Luigi Mangione's murder of a father or they get together online and they celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk and dance around like demons. Like demons, really? Demons dance around. When someone is murdered in such a fashion, it's really quite evil. I've never felt as close to God and as patriotic as I do right now. And it's going to get bigger and better for all of us. We've been through a lot, you and I. We've been through a lot. And we watched the left run roughshod over this country and burn our cities and open our border and try to put our candidate in jail and put our peaceful January Sixers in jail for four years after they were led into the Capitol and overly punished by the FBI and the doj. Utterly, utterly corrupt. By the way, Cash Patel is on Capitol Hill today, and he is just eating people alive. It is like, again, you know, when I said that when Donald Trump won the election, it was like giving us a folding chair going in over the top rope, like a tag team. You know, when you, the good guys getting beat by the two bad guys, the two bad guys are, you know, distracted in the referee and you're just laying, oh, God, just give me the end of your pinky. I will tag me in so I can do this. Well, that's what Cash Patel did today. Here's an exchange between Cory Booker, the dramatic Cory Booker. Did you see his engagement photos? My God, it looked like a Viagra commercial. It's like, oh, look at us, honestly. Wow. But here is Cory Booker getting a little what fur from the new FBI director.

[Carl Higbee]

If you want to work on bringing.

[Rob Carson]

This country, it's my time, not yours. My God. My God.

[Carl Higbee]

You want to talk about fighting this country?

[Rob Carson]

It is.

[Michael Charbonne]

I follow you on your social media posts.

[Rob Carson]

I don't believe the cash Patel burned 100 cities around the country in 2020.

[Stephen Miller]

In this country.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, yeah. And then decided that Chuck Grassley got in the middle at lecture.

[Carl Higbee]

You can tell me my time's over.

[Rob Carson]

You may be the target. I'm not going anywhere.

[Carl Higbee]

I am not afraid of you, Mr. Chairman. Not afraid of you, Mr.

[Stephen Miller]

Chair.

[Rob Carson]

Point of order. Certainly fair to you. I announced at the beginning of this meeting that this back and forth talking over each other doesn't work. And I said if that happened. I asked Patel not to respond, and I was going to give him some time after. The senator's time was. Yeah, but the Democrats are just looking for a talking point. They're just looking for that sound bite, regardless of whether it makes any sense or not. It's not going to work so well today. It's not going to work so well today. And the moral equivocation. The moral equivocation of the left is not working very well. People are. I think my computer is kind of frozen up. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm Going to restart XSPLIT broadcaster So I'll just do that real quick, get it figured out and we will get it rolling again. So give me a second here. I had a virus in the computer yesterday and of course because I'm a one man band here in a studio by myself, I have to restart everything myself. So give me just one second, if you would, for me to restart the computer once again and then maybe get some tech, tech assistance. We'll see. We can get somebody from Geek Squad or something out there. But. But the left has run roughshod over our country. We've watched them burn and destroy. We've done everything we could to our best ability to try to fight it. And then of course the left stolen election and put Donald or Joe Biden in office. We should be back on with regard to the stream here right now. I should be just go ahead and double check that. But we're done. We're done here. Is Donald Trump talking about how if you continue this leftward lurch, these protests, this burning and all of this, it's not going to end well for you.

[Stephen Miller]

We have some pretty radical groups and they got away with murder. And also I've been speaking to the attorney general about bringing RICO against some of the people that you've been reading about that have been putting up millions and millions of dollars for agitation. These aren't protests, these are crimes. What they're doing where they're throwing bricks at cars of the of ICE and Border Patrol, they come in with beautif new car. They're so proud. It's border patrol ice. You know, it's got whatever it is and they're throwing rocks at it. And after 50 yards it looks like an old beat up vehicle. It was just brand new. It was just bought for the purposes and they don't have to take that anymore. I let it be known we'll take responsibility. They don't have to take it anymore and they don't want to take it. They were told by a past administration it became almost a culture. If somebody throws a rock at you, do nothing. If somebody spits in your face, do nothing. And I say when they spit, you hit whatever you want.

[Rob Carson]

Yep, there he is. To do whatever you want. And you know, enough is enough is enough. Coming up, Stephen Miller on what is coming to the leftist organizations that are funded by people like George Soros who have committed so much damage. There's a come up. It's happening, it's going to happen very soon. Also his wife Katie Miller just totally kicked Some butt. He and, well, she and her husband Stephen have been the subject of terroristic threats and people gathering around their home, distributing flyers, riding on their sidewalks. And they're done. Coming up, Michael Charbone from Canada on the Rob Carson Show. Don't go anywhere.

[Carl Higbee]

Five days ago, conservative icon was assassinated in cold blood on video. Millions have seen that video. But conservatives did not riot. Conservatives did not loot, Conservatives did not set anything on fire. Conservatives have not called for revenge of any kind. Instead of burning buildings, rioting and looting, conservatives spent the weekend holding vigils on social media. It has been posts about faith, prayer and healing. While the left mock Charlie Kirk and laugh at his death, it is clear the left and the right in this country are just not the same. Yeah, the left are now a party of violence that is not open for negotiation or debate anymore.

[Rob Carson]

Of course they are a party of.

[Carl Higbee]

Death and that shouldn't be open for debate, Rob.

[Rob Carson]

Geez, geez, geez. It wasn't, it wasn't over debate. It never was open for debate. It was ridiculous to think otherwise. That's just what the left does. They gaslight you and they try to convince you that the sky is green and all that. By the way, FDI Director FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino told Newsmax investigators had uncovered significant developments suggesting a broader network of people may have been involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Also, do you remember the jackass who started yelling, I have the right to remain silent. I shot Charlie Kirk. Remember him? Yeah, he's, he's George Zinn, a radical leftist. And he says that after Charlie Kirk got shot, he did that to draw attention from the real shooter, presumably so the shooter could escape the arrest. Also, he got himself into a can of worms, sparked a child pornography investigation. He's 71, booked in the Utah County Jail for investigation of obstruction of justice and sexual exploitation of a minor. On Monday, following a few days in the hospital, newly released police documents detail more of what happened to what led to his arrest at the Utah Valley University. And apparently he said, I shot him, now shoot me. Said that a couple times. According to a jail report compiled by UVA police, the officer reported that he could not see a weapon, but he places it in handcuffs while others at the scene cleared the area. He was there to draw attention from the real shooter. Then they got to looking at his phone. Then they got to looking at his phone. A motion was filed on Monday to hold Zen without bail and real in relation to his arrest. It wasn't immediately clear if he had obtained any Legal representative representation. They've launched another investigation in Duhen. While he was hospitalized, his phone had child sexual abuse material. After initially refusing to let investigators go through his phone, they went through the phone, found multiple images containing children believed to be approximately five years old. Who reviewed the phone found more than 20 images of child pornography along with explicit messages about sexual acts, among other things. He was arrested in 2013, charged with making a threat of terrorism, a second degree felony, in relation to an email asking if Salt Lake City Marathon organizers needed anyone to help place bombs near the finish line. This is the left and he's going to go to jail for a very, very, very long time. Joining us on the Newsmax hotline, the Voice of Canada, as far as I'm concerned. Newsmax. Canadian correspondent, host of the Charbonne Report, Michael Shawell. How are you? My friend?

[Michael Charbonne]

Rob Carson. Great. I just wanted to tell you I've been really appreciating your posts both on YouTube and LinkedIn. You've been doing a great job with regards to this terrible Harley Kirk assassination. I mean, Charlie was renowned and you really done him justice. And I believe, Rob Carson, this is a turning point for you as well, because your message is resonating, brother.

[Rob Carson]

Thank you, brother. I gotta tell you, this is light speed on the Charlie Kirk, not only political, but mostly spiritual movement around the world. In Canada, they've been having these rallies. I mean, I, I have never seen Canadians, you know, the last few years we've seen, you know, Canadians trying to do a trucker protest and getting shut down in Ottawa and, and having their banking accounts done and then people being, you know, shut down for Covid nonsense and pastors being arrested, all that. And now I'm seeing Canadians getting together in candlelight vigils to pray. To pray. Maybe this is the spiritual awakening, awakening and political awakening that Canada needs. I know it's going to sweep through Canada. It's already in Europe. It's already gotten a conservative elected in Poland and in Turkey. France is about to fall and conservatism will rise out of its ashes. Great Britain is also doing this, Michael. It's happening in Canada, isn't is?

[Michael Charbonne]

I mean, as you know, I was in Ottawa for Newsmax during the truckers demonstration. But, you know, an interesting thing, you know, everybody, as soon as the Charlie Kirk assassination happened, everybody's been always, oh, it's all gun control. It's all gun control. Well, I got news for you. Charlie Kirk wasn't killed because of the Second Amendment. Charlie Kirk was killed because of the First Amendment. Because he said stuff that people couldn't handle, particularly on the left. There are people in Canada.

[Rob Carson]

Go ahead, continue, continue.

[Michael Charbonne]

There are people in Canada who are upset. There are vigils that are taking place. But we like yourselves have been embedded elite class of university people who think that they can just espouse that it's okay to kill somebody. You know, Interesting. There were some figures that were put out by the foundation for Individual Rights and Expressions and they talked about is political violence is never acceptable. Baby boomers like you and me, 93% say it's never acceptable.

[Rob Carson]

I'm a generation Xer, thank you very much. I just wanted to tell you you're.

[Michael Charbonne]

Okay, but you got good hair color. Gen X says it's 86% that it's never acceptable. Millenniums say it's 71 Gen Z. Here's the people who came from the shooter say 58% say it's never acceptable. What the real horrible number is, last point here is that violence is acceptable. Millennials, 29% believe that it's acceptable and 42% Gen Z believe violence is acceptable. Those are the figures that we have to be alarmed at.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, you know there is an assassination culture. And I want you to hear this real quick. This has been reported this morning and this does not surprise me. Listen to this from now all of.

[Carl Higbee]

This bill is underscoring the rise of the so called assassination culture. And research out there from Rutgers University is calling it an emerging trend on the extreme left. Users online are increasingly associated the memeification of Luigi Mangione with call calls for.

[Rob Carson]

Political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump.

[Carl Higbee]

And others reflecting the growing cyber social.

[Michael Charbonne]

Presence of assassination culture.

[Carl Higbee]

And it's alarming that when it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump. I mean the numbers are just incredible. Jaw dropping here.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And Michael, they tried to convince us that it was morally relative that the same amount of violence comes from the left is the right. And everybody knows that is an absurdity. That is absurdity. And one point I wanted to mention about the second amendment. The only reason that the Democrat party is asking for gun control is because they want to rub our face in it. It's meant to be an indignity. See if you guys supported gun control to be around. If you asked anybody in the Democrat party off the record, would you have wanted gun control to take away the rifle of Charlie Kirk's killer? And they would have said no. So give me a Break. Don't believe any of that nonsense, Michael.

[Michael Charbonne]

It's true. The problem is to be a conservative is to be a target. I mean, 40% of students in Canada who believe that they are conservative don't want to express their point of views because they feel a retaliation from their professors. I mean, we gotta stop feeling guilty for being conservative. We have to use what Charlie Kirk taught and said, you gotta talk about it. He went in the lion's den, he accosted people, accosted his arrival. He engaged, he engaged people who didn't agree with him, but at least he had a discussion. That's what we need to do. And that's never been.

[Rob Carson]

There has never been a more apt comparison between Daniel and the lion's den. There has not been. I mean, I've heard it used many times about going to the lion's den. It's Donald Trump going into New York City, etc. It's never been a better apt description. Michael Sharbot, I want you to hold on. We're going to take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Carl Higbee]

I keep hearing that we have, that we have a political violence problem in America, but we don't have a political violence problem in America. We have a left wing political violence problem in America. YouGov asked the question, do you consider it acceptable or unacceptable for a person to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose? 91% of people who are very conservative, 90% of people who are conservative said absolutely not. On the left, 56% who were very liberal said it was wrong to celebrate the death of someone who they politically oppose. 24% said it was acceptable. Another 20 weren't sure. Same question as to whether it was political violence was acceptable. 83% of conservatives, 88% of very conservatives said political violence never acceptable. Only 68% of liberals said political violence wasn't acceptable. And 55% of those who are very liberal. There is a problem on the left with acceptance and legitimization of political violence.

[Rob Carson]

And there can be no more discussions. We have tried. Charlie Kirk tried and we are done. It is time for the children to get the spanking of a lot of lifetime. Michael Charbon of the Charbon Report, also Newsmax on the Newsmax hotline. By the way, real quick, Schwinn, Stingray, Bubble Yum, Dukes of Hazard, all in the Family, Schoolhouse Rock, I'm a Generation Xer. Michael Shon, go ahead.

[Michael Charbonne]

All right. You look, you look wonderful. Rob Carson, I am a gen. What.

[Rob Carson]

Are you what do you. You're a boomer.

[Michael Charbonne]

Devil with chiseled. I mean you could have been a. Yeah, whatever.

[Rob Carson]

A fighter pilot.

[Michael Charbonne]

Quarterback.

[Carl Higbee]

We love you, Ron.

[Rob Carson]

I have a date, by the way. Did you know I just off the subject. I got a date. I actually have a date. It's kind of weird. It's not really a day, but it's kind of a date.

[Michael Charbonne]

You're having. You're having your. You're having your duck cleaned.

[Rob Carson]

Yes, that's pretty much it. They're gonna come out and duck boy, my ducks are. My ducks have been jammed up for. We were not gonna get in. That's. Let's move back to the subject.

[Michael Charbonne]

That's another discussion. I wanted to bring up a point which was interesting.

[Rob Carson]

Go ahead.

[Michael Charbonne]

You know when you talk about free speech and you talk about colleges and universities, here are the top five colleges ranked for the best for free speech. University of Virginia, Michigan Technology, Florida State, Eastern Kentucky and Georgia Tech. Those are the five top universities and colleges, if you wish for free speech that support both sides of the disagreement. Right?

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Michael Charbonne]

You know who the worst are you ready for this? Berkeley, Harvard. Harvard is at the bottom, of course. Then there's Columbia, New York University, UPenn and Bernard College. Those are the worst. That means it's trouble. Trouble in River City when you can't be able to hear the other side of an agreement or.

[Rob Carson]

Well, it's worse than that. It's worse than that. Michael. It's the class of 1968 and they have. Barack Obama was the first progeny the class of 1968, the radical Marxist left. He had his political career started in the. The living room of Weather Underground radicals. He is a Marxist commun. Communist. He wanted to fundamentally remake America and he, he almost did it if it weren't for us meddling kids came real close to it and, and they have done nothing more than. Than become brainwashed factories and they're getting their come ups comeuppance. Michael. This is why Donald Trump is the president. He's going after the funding of these institutions and he's exposing the rot and the anti Semitism of these universities. And this indoctrination factor have been closed down. They have been closed down and the left is getting the biggest comeuppance of all. And I said that there was going to be a global wide mobilization toward freedom and a godly movement. What happened to Charlie Kirk expedited that and I don't believe there's any stopping it.

[Michael Charbonne]

Michael, I think you're 100% correct. We still, see, I mean, there was a class of Grade 5 and 6 students in Canada that were exposed to the YouTube assassination video where you saw the shot at the side. You and I had just gotten off the radio and I forwarded it to you right away. And you didn't want to look at it.

[Rob Carson]

No.

[Michael Charbonne]

But I'm going to tell you, that kind of stuff is shocking. You know, but the one thing that Charlie Kirk did was talk about discussion, and he said a lot of things that Canadian Canadians really acknowledge. Know what he. Here's a couple of quotes, a couple of classic Charlie Charlie Kirk quote. He said, I would deport Justin Trudeau on the front. That guy sucks. And Mr. Trudeau, when you're playing defense, you're already losing. And finally he said, charlie Kirk, make Canada great again. What's wrong with any of that? That resonates with Canada. And he started a fire where people are saying, you know what? I'm not going to keep quiet anymore.

[Rob Carson]

You know, this is happening. You know, you saw it's happening in Great Britain. And I had the opportunity a couple weeks ago to go to an event where Nigel Farage was speaking. And I got to meet and talk to Nigel Farage, actually, for about a half an hour. I had a delightful conversation with them and the. The. The people of Great Britain. And I'm not. I'm not talking about white people have been there forever. I'm talking about people who are. Are citizens of Great Britain in good standing. They still yearn for the days of Winston Churchill and Maggie Thatcher. That fire is still there, and it's been ignited. And. And the same goes for France. They're done with all of this nonsense, the open borders, the radical Islamists and all of this. And I think that same thing is coming to Canada. Canada. Canada's a little bit behind the ball here, but it's coming, and I think this is going to accelerate it.

[Michael Charbonne]

Michael, I totally agree with you. What Le Pen is doing in France is going to turn the switch. What a million people in London did said, I don't recognize the London and the England that I grew up in. And this is wrong. If you want to come to our nation, any nation, the free nation, any nation, you don't bring your problems and try to inject them into the places that you're there. You aspire to work with the community that you're coming to and make it better, not inflict the rot that you're leaving in where you're sitting.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, it's. I do believe we are at a period of great awakening. And I knew it was going to happen when Donald Trump was elected. But I know that Charlie Kirk has his murder, his assassination, it's still hard to say. Charlie Kirk's assassination, it has set the world on fire and it's going to be for good. You know, I. Before I go, I want to mention that I did not. I did not play this at the beginning of the segment, and I am ashamed of that. Michael Sherbone, you got to be introduced with the best.

[Michael Charbonne]

You're the best.

[Rob Carson]

You.

[Michael Charbonne]

You do the most amount of research. People don't know the prep that you do because I taught you. And I talk, we text back and forth. I see your post. I know what you do. Rob, this is a turning point for you as well. And don't let your voice grow dim.

[Rob Carson]

Listen to me.

[Michael Charbonne]

Keep doing what you're doing. We love you, Rob Carson.

[Rob Carson]

You listen to me, Michael Sharbon. There's a reason why we have come together at this moment in history, all of us, everyone with earshot of this, of this broadcast. There is a reason why we have come to this and we came here together and we're going to change the world and we're going to save it. God bless you, my Canadian brother. Where can people find you on the.

[Michael Charbonne]

Interweb, the charbon report.com or Michael A. Charbonne? I'm also on LinkedIn and Facebook. Thank you very much.

[Rob Carson]

I'll let Rush close it out. Guess what it is. The Rob Carson show. There it is. That's my favorite song of all time. Audio slave. Show me how to live. Listen to the lyrics. It'll make sense. It's spiritual. It is. Nail in my hand from my creator. You gave me life, now show me how to live. Well, God's doing that now. Come on. I gotta tell you, I've never. I've got goosebumps right now. I got goosebumps right now. I just. I know it. I never. I don't. I don't proselytize. I don't Bible bang. I don't any of that. But I went to Congress hall, right next to Independence Hall, Friday, two days after. Less than two days after Charlie Kirk's death. And we talked about the Bible and the big speaker of the night was a rabbi at the end. I've been to revivals before. I've had hands laid on me. I've gone through that. I've never felt like this before. And it's political and it's. It's about faith and good, and we are turning the tide against evil. And I would recommend that if you bedded down with evil, if you celebrated Charlie Kirk's death, you'd better repent. Go tell that long tongue liar Go tell that midnight rider Tell the gambler, the rambler, the backbiter Tell him God Almighty's gonna cut him down, down. I've been going through that song. It's an old gospel song. Elvis covered it, got a Grammy for it. Johnny Cash covered it a few years ago. And that's just the way it is. There's only so long that evil is going to be able to run roughshod over the world. There's only so long that the Democrat Party is going to be able to try to gaslight us about everything that we know is right. And we've had enough. And we've had enough. And now the rain is falling and the door of the ark is open. And if you want to leave the Democrat Party and get on this life saving moment, I would do it before the door is closed. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I'm not meaning to proselytize here. I'm just saying you've been on the wrong side of history. I want to take a sharp turn, a right turn if you will, to save the world and save your soul. Let's take a break and come back. Hour number two of the Rob Carson show is on the way. You do not want to miss it.