Dinesh D’Souza EXPOSES Radical Islam’s Ancient Roots in Explosive New Film!

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show

Episode: Dinesh D’Souza EXPOSES Radical Islam’s Ancient Roots in Explosive New Film!
Date: October 17, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Dinesh D’Souza
Main Topic: Radical Islam’s historical roots and D’Souza’s new documentary Dragon’s Prophecy

Episode Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show features a deep-dive interview with political commentator and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza about his latest film, Dragon’s Prophecy. The discussion covers the ancient roots of radical Islam, connections between current conflicts and biblical history, the shifting landscape of media and journalism, and reflections on contemporary political alignments in the US and abroad. Rob Carson maintains his trademark mix of humor and pointed political commentary throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. D’Souza on the Fallout from 2000 Mules and Changes in Media

• Rob Carson opens with praise for D’Souza’s previous film, 2000 Mules, and criticizes the “disinformation and misinformation” campaign used to suppress it ([22:06]).
• D’Souza reflects on media intimidation after the film’s release:

  “The two topics that terrified mainstream Republicans were stealing of the 2020 election and January 6th. … We went through a dark period in which you couldn’t even talk sense about those topics.” ([23:18])

• Both observe that the backlash catalyzed the rise of independent content creators and “citizen journalists,” describing a transformed media ecosystem:

  “I love the fact that there are lots of people who aren’t just doing the punditry, but they’re doing the journalism… a new atmosphere of openness to new ideas.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([24:36])

2. Dragon’s Prophecy: Ancient Roots of Radical Islam

• The film opens on the October 7 attacks in Israel, using never-before-seen, perpetrator-filmed footage compared to a real-life “Saving Private Ryan” ([25:56], [26:29]).
• D’Souza explains the film’s central thesis:
  • It draws explicit parallels between current Israeli-Palestinian conflict and ancient battles between Israelites and Philistines, directly connecting “Philistine” with “Palestine.”
  • D’Souza collaborates with author Jonathan Cahn, whose book inspired the movie, to link October 7 and current events to biblical prophecy ([26:29]).
• The film leverages archaeological evidence to corroborate biblical accounts, showing how recent discoveries validate the historic presence of Jewish figures and settlements in Israel:

  “You have all these figures in the Bible… There was no non-biblical proof that these people existed. … Suddenly these figures are jumping out of the Bible and into the pages of history via the pathway of archaeology.” ([27:33])

3. Politics, Faith, and Biblical Validation

• Carson and D’Souza discuss the synergy of faith, science, and philosophy, agreeing that biblical history is increasingly substantiated by modern research ([28:15], [28:47]).
• D’Souza critiques academic “higher criticism” that dismissed biblical accounts, saying:

  “All of this is being decimated by biblical archaeology… it’s almost as if the world has become more secular, that God is speaking back, but now in the soft language of science and archaeology.” ([28:47])

4. The Red-Green Alliance: The US Left and Radical Islam

• Carson brings up New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani’s refusal to condemn Hamas, calling it “unbelievable, terrifying” ([30:28]).
• D’Souza sees Mamdani as embodying “the red-green alliance”—a precarious coalition between the Western cultural left and radical Islam:

  “Mamdani represents… a very weird alliance… the red referring to communism or socialism, and the green referring to the Islamic side… more dangerous than [AOC or Ilhan Omar].” ([30:54])

• D’Souza attributes this to the left’s identity politics—categorizing groups and assuming alignments without recognizing fundamentally conflicting agendas ([32:30]).

5. Prospects for Middle East Peace and Rejection of Extremism

• Carson and D’Souza evaluate Trump’s peace efforts in the Middle East, debating the significance and sustainability of regional accords, and the debilitating of Iran as central to progress ([33:56]):

  “As long as Iran was pulling strings… this was really not possible. … Hamas is not going to change its spots… the challenges ahead remain immense. But… we can take a moment just to celebrate the achievement of Trump…” – Dinesh D’Souza ([34:49])

• D’Souza calls for realism about the permanence of threats like Hamas, but also expresses hope for resistance across Europe and the West against radical Islam’s influence ([33:56]).

6. Faith, Suffering, and Spiritual Restoration

• Carson links the current era of social and spiritual upheaval to biblical cycles of tribulation and enlightenment:

  “I do believe we’re in a time of enlightenment. … We are, aren’t we?” ([36:26])

• D’Souza echoes this, referencing his own struggles and the sense of spiritual validation from biblical history and the experiences recounted in his film ([36:53]).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “We went through a dark period in which you couldn’t even talk sense about those topics. … I do take some consolation… I think deterred the bad guys from attempting [fraud] in 24.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([23:18]-[23:47])
• “It begins by putting you right on the scene of October 7th. … There’s footage there… compared the opening 10 minutes of this film to like Saving Private Ryan… this is real.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([26:00])
• “Philistine, Palestine—that’s the same name, that’s the same word.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([26:29])
• “It’s a combination of the self-loathing liberal and… when you fall in love with a person on death row, that’s kind of what the left does.” – Rob Carson ([31:59])
• “The way I understand it is that the left looks at everyone as a kind of identity group… Not realizing that those people are coming with a completely different agenda.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([32:30])
• “[Biblical archaeology] is being decimated… God is speaking kind of in the soft language of science and archaeology.” – Dinesh D’Souza ([28:47])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [21:28] Dragon’s Prophecy audio trailer, setup for D’Souza interview
• [22:48] Dinesh D’Souza responds to Carson’s praise and discusses 2020 election fallout
• [25:56]-[28:15] D’Souza details the film’s opening, October 7 attacks, biblical context
• [28:47] Discussion of biblical archaeology versus academic skepticism
• [30:28]-[31:59] Analysis of US left, Zoran Mamdani, and the “red-green alliance”
• [33:56]-[35:10] Thoughts on Trump’s Middle East efforts and potential for change in the region
• [36:26]-[36:55] Reflections on faith, suffering, and the significance of the present moment

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Conclusion

In this fast-paced and intensely topical episode, Rob Carson and Dinesh D’Souza traverse issues from radical Islam’s ancient roots to 21st-century media battles, weaving in historical, political, and spiritual threads. D’Souza’s Dragon’s Prophecy is presented as both timely and timeless—a cinematic, archaeological, and theological exploration of ongoing Middle East strife. Both host and guest view the present as a crucible for the West, demanding resistance to radical ideologies even while seeking deeper truth and spiritual renewal.

For more on Dragon’s Prophecy, visit thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.

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Transcript

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[Rob Carson (Promo/Segment Voice)]

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[Rob Carson]

And by the grace of God, it is finally Friday. And what a Friday lineup we have for you today. Dinesh d' Souza is going to join us at the bottom of the hour. He's got a new movie about radical ISL around the world, and it's called Dragon's Prophecy. We're going to talk to him about that. And then I want to talk to him about all the times that he was. He's been exonerated. Like for instance, he did that movie 2000 Mules that showed how the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. You could, you can't say that. It's dense information. I might, you know, kiss my butt. I'm so done with that. So over it. Everybody knows that 2020 was a joke. And if you don't, and if you're still in denial, you just think you can, you can yell loud enough that you can't or just deny enough that you can shut us. We can't speak on social media. Like, you know, remember that you couldn't say anything on social media. The day after the election in 2020, my Facebook page disappeared before I even did a post. Before I even did a post. And then for years, every time I said anything about the 2020 election, anything that doubted the 2020 election got shut down. My Facebook page came back for a day like a year and a half later and then disappeared almost immediately. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. So we'll talk to Dinesh d' Souza about that. Once again, we were right about everything. Right about everything. A couple of quick notes. My TV show is called Rob Carson's what In the World. It is on Sunday nights on Newsmax at 8:30 following the Michael Savage Show. It is a half an hour comedy show. Donald Trump says it makes me the funniest guy on tv. We've added a couple new features to the show, including, and this is kind of ironic because I don't drink anymore, Carson's Wine Cellar. Cellar, where we choose the two biggest whiners of the week. And then I give them a sour grapes rating. I know, I know. It's pretty good idea. The Ted Duggar came up with that. He works on the show with me. He's, he's a good guy, these guys. I got a couple people working with me. They kind of keep me on the, Keep me focused, which is kind of hard to do because I've got a cocain addled hamster between my ears. I want to get to Donald Trump yesterday, talking about meeting with Putin, talking with Putin on the phone and all that in a second. So October is Cybersecurity awareness month, AKA Cyber Scaries Month. You know what the serious part of October? Being vulnerable to cyber criminals. I was online this morning, had another one telling me that, you know, your credit card information is, is, is needs to be updated. And, you know, it looks like, you know, because I got a lot of, a lot of places that have my credit card information. You know, could be Amazon, could be whatever. And I'm looking and I go, what? This does not look at all familiar. And then I realize, yeah, it's bull crap. It's somebody fishing, trying to get my information, trying to steal from me. Web Root Total protection can help you prevent this from happening. Web Root Total protection offers real time antivirus protection against emerging threats like malware, malware, ransomware, phishing scams, etc. A firewall and network monitor, web threat shield detects and blocks malicious websites is really good. Advanced dark web monitoring, credit and financial monitoring with Rapid Alerts VPN for up to 5 or 10 devices. Select your connection from 80 locations in more than 65 countries and it hides your IP address, personal data and location from hackers. Do something about it. If you, you know, maybe you got a traditional whatever protection on your computer and you've still managed to be infected by things like this, maybe you need to get Webroot and maybe you need some. Save some money. My name will get you 60% off. When you see how little it costs, you're gonna go, no stinking way. Just go to webroot.com Carson webroot.com Carson do it right now. Do it. Trust me, right now. Just do it. Webroot.com Carson just click and then watch it pop up and you're gonna go, shut up. No way. That only costs that. I'm not kidding. Do it. Do it. You're doing it right now. You're going, no way. He actually did this. Oh my God. We're like connecting. Oh, this is really weird. Weird. Yeah. Webroot.com Carson for total protection for your computer. And if you're like me, I built a mega turbo computer, man. This thing's got four fans in it to keep it cool because I run a lot of heavy programs and, and it's everything, it means everything to me to, to be able to. And if it goes down, the TV show going out, the radio show goes down, everything Goes down. It's not good. It's not good. Let me see. Oh, here's Donald Trump. Yesterday he had a phone meeting with with Putin. It sounds like they might be making a little bit of progress toward a peace deal with, with Ukraine. You also posted about your call with President Putin today. You spoke about the meeting in Hungary with him. Do you have a timeline or a.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Date set for when?

[Donald Trump]

I would say within two weeks or so. Pretty quick. Marco Rubio is going to be meeting with his counterpart, as you know, Lavrov, and they'll be meeting pretty soon. They're going to set up a time and a place very shortly. Maybe it's already set up. They've already spoken and I thought it was a very good phone call. I thought very productive. But I'll be meeting with President Putin and we'll make a determination. Tomorrow I'm meeting with President Zelensky and I'll be telling him about the call. I mean, we have a problem. They don't get along too well, though. It's sometimes tough to have meetings. So we may do something where we're separate.

[Rob Carson]

But it's going to happen. I think it's going to happen. It's not. I thought it would happen a little bit sooner, but this one's been kind of a tough nut to crack, right? Been a little tough nut to crack. Here's Donald Trump talking about US Tomahawks and giving Tomahawks to Ukraine. This is one of the puzzle pieces that he has going on here. He's doing a lot of different things. He's got India committed to not buying, buying Russian oil. That's really going to affect Russia's economy majorly and that will really impact their ability to fund the war and their economy is in trouble anyway. Did President Putin try to dissuade you from selling Tomahawk missiles?

[Donald Trump]

Well, of course. What do you think he's going to say? Please sell Tomahawks? Is he going to say, please sell those Tomahawks? I really appreciate it. I did actually say, would you mind if I gave a couple of thousand Tomahawks to your opposition? I did say that to him. I said it just that way.

[Rob Carson]

I have no doubt. I have no doubt.

[Donald Trump]

Like the idea. No, I said it that way. You have to be a little bit light hearted sometimes. But no, he doesn't want Tom. Tom Hawk is a vicious weapon.

[Rob Carson]

It's a master class. I mean, he's just a master class in negotiation and diplomacy. And, you know, King's protesters are just Such morons. Honestly. Here's Donald Trump talking about Hamas. Hamas as in. And I'm really, I'm actually grateful for it. I want Hamas to breach the agreement in the fashion that they're breaching the agreement. They have no trump card. They have no ability to strike out like they have. But they are still bedding down with stupid like the Democrat Party still doing after 2024. And, and I'm just hoping and praying that Hamas gives Israel and Donald Trump the permission it needs to wipe them from the face of the earth.

[Donald Trump]

I'm looking at what's happening and that wasn't the deal that was made. And we'll see what happens. It's calmed down. It's, it's a tough neighborhood. We know that.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

We have a commitment from them and I assume they're going to honor that commitment. I hope they do. And I know, I understand they brought back some additional bodies today. Yeah, It's a rough deal when you think of it. Yeah, very rough.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Because they murdered those people.

[Donald Trump]

We have our hostages back completely. We were very lucky with that. But it's a, it's a tough, it's a tough situation. They brought back bodies today, as you probably know. But they also said they're going to behave. We're going to find out if they behave. If they behave good. If they don't behave, we'll take care of it.

[Rob Carson]

There you go. Mom, that's not Adam. Here he is talking about the Democrat Party. You know, we're in that day number 17 or whatever. This idiotic shutdown that is the Democrats fault, by the way. Of course, of course, of course. Duh. Here is Donald Trump talking about the Democrats, what they want.

[Donald Trump]

All we want to do is just extend. We don't want anything. We just want to extend. Live with the deal that they had. They want to spend $1.5 trillion on illegal immigrants.

[Rob Carson]

They're extorting us. That's what it is. They've always been able to do it because they've always had command and control of all the media. They've always had control of the narrative. They're trying to do the same old playbook, extorting you and me. This isn't their frickin money. This is our money. And we're sick and dang tired of this nonsense. And they're, they're. This, this is not working anymore. It's not going to work. Even if they throw a big temper tantrum tomorrow.

[Donald Trump]

They want to destroy health care for everyone else. And it's crazy, crazy. People that are here illegally, they want to spend 1.5 trillion.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

So we're just not going to do it? No, we, we have to take care of our health care now. We're doing that today, and we're doing it with, you know, favored nations and most favored nations. Your costs are going to be dropping greatly.

[Rob Carson]

What is, what is Obamacare done for you? It didn't do a damned thing, did it? They promised you everything about Obamacare when they passed it in 2010. I remember the night they passed it. I was in Washington, D.C. i listened to the vote and I said, God, they're going to pass this. Nancy Pelosi said, we got to pass it to see what's in it. Then she returned to her perch as a gargoyle. And here, what we got, what we got? We got health care that's out of control, broken, still dependent on government subsidies. Premiums are higher than they've ever been. Donald Trump has done more to fix healthcare in the last two weeks than Obamacare ever dreamed of doing by lowering the price of prescription drugs, some by 85%. And yesterday we find out in vitro fertilization treatments are going to drop dramatically. It has been so cost prohibitive, it has kept people from having children. It is remarkable. This is a man calling in to C Span yesterday. He is a person of color and also a Democrat, and he says he's done with the party.

[Caller to Rob Carson Show]

I think I'm going to be leaving the Democrat Party. Why would you say this happened?

[Rob Carson]

Why would you stay? Your life hasn't got any better under the Democrat Party.

[Caller to Rob Carson Show]

This happens too often where they're blaming the opposite party when they know they can do the right thing. They need to do the, you know.

[Rob Carson]

The walk away movement. They had a half a million people left the Democrat Party and then Facebook killed the group. They got rid of the group, all the stories, and most of those people were people of color.

[Caller to Rob Carson Show]

Right thing and reopen this government instead of keeping it shut down like they're hijacking the American people. I've seen it before. We've seen them vote the right way when they're in power. So why the hell can't they vote the right way when they're not in power? So get this government back open. Get these American people what they do.

[Rob Carson]

Because they're, they're the. A large criminal cartel.

[Caller to Rob Carson Show]

And this is basically a Schumer shutdown. From what I've seen, from what I've been watching on C Span, what they show and what they show the Democrats whining And crying and blaming. That's what I see.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

And the both parties to some degree, have done nothing for 50 years to fix anything that's broken still now. Everything was broken then. Everything's broken now. VA healthcare, infrastructure, Social Security, all broken. And what they've done is they've increased spending by 60% because of COVID And what they did there was they looted the treasury. They looted it for their friends, for their buddies, for their unions, for their NGOs, to the tune of trillions of dollars. I'm not screwing around here. They have. It's. It's worse. It's worse than the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union could have only dreamed to have $7 trillion a year to blow. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Come on. Ace Frehley was 74 years old. They changed rock and roll. They created a KISS arm. Yeah, I was never a big Kiss fan. I remember, I remember my, my mom had a. A console stereo, right. I don't know how she ended up getting a 45 that had the song Shock Me on it. It's kind of wish you had Johnny Cash. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who it was. There's a song called Shock Me and, and it was Shock me, make me feel better. Shock me, put on your black leather. Kind of makes you wonder why mom had that in the. Anyway, this is. This is Lisa McClain given the Democrats a little, what, Fur on the budget.

[Newsmax Host]

Well, good morning, everybody. Here we are again. I'm going to be very clear. Yes, Chuck Schumer wants a dirty deal. I'll say it again. Chuck Schumer wants a dirty, dirty deals.

[Rob Carson]

Done dirt cheap deal.

[Newsmax Host]

One that caters to his radical base.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Newsmax Host]

You know the same crowd planning to protest at their I Hate America rally this weekend.

[Rob Carson]

No brains Protest.

[Newsmax Host]

And what is in this so called deal? Let's take a look at what's in Chuck Schumer's dirty deal.

[Rob Carson]

Bunch of crap.

[Newsmax Host]

Let me spell it out. It adds $1.5 trillion to our net.

[Rob Carson]

Okay, yeah, I've heard enough. But yeah, it's ridiculous. Here's a. Here's some good news. IRS guts half its workforce as the shutdown slips into the second week. So there you go. And it was about time that the IRS got a major downsizing. I mean, major downsizing. We talked about how Twitter got rid of 80% of its employees. I said that would be a good starting point for the federal government. You can't Say that you live in Northern Virginia. You know what, honestly, Washington D.C. the damned curbs are paved with granite for God's sake. Okay? They got palaces here. They're spending $2 trillion, $2 billion on the friggin treasury building, okay? They've lived high on the hog. The average income in Washington D.C. is $270,000. The next highest is like New York State. Honestly, it's about time. Sorry, sorry. I hate to tell you, I work in a B word industry. It's called broadcasting. I have been out of work out of the last 30 years, six years, okay? So honestly. And then I had to kind of reinvent myself. Had to do this, had to do that, had to sell cars for a while. Then I had to learn how to be a podcaster. Then I had to lose, you know, all of this. So there you go. There you go. You know, we're not here just to make sure that you have a comfortable retirement. You're here to do a job. And if we don't need this many people to do that job. Sorry, that's the way it happens in the private industry. I know I shouldn't say that. You live in the swamp. No, sorry. I lived most of my life outside of the swamp. 12 years I worked in Washington D.C. worked in the swamp. Drove in from Montgomery county, which is a joke. Montgomery county is a joke. Drove up there and I mean the people in Montgomery county are, oh my God, so left of center. They have no idea. They never go across the river into Virginia, so they think everything's fine up there. I went to Frederick, Maryland's lovely little town. Lovely, lovely town. Lovely town. So stunted. The street traffic on, on the main dragon in, in Frederick is, is pitiful. You come down here to King street in Alexandria, and I'm not saying Alexandria, it's a high tax, high price area to live, but Virginia kind of gets a little bit more and it's freaking flourishing. It's amazing. You drive across the river, you're driving into Oz, for God's sake. But you know, it's just your Democrat party. It's just your Democrat Jimmy Kimmel has just become the most just. He's crossed into just sheer douchebaggery. Here he is ripping on Trump supporters.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Antifa.

[Rob Carson]

This isn't even funny. It's just vitriol.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

It's just short for anti fascist. It's not a club you can join. There are no members dues, but they have matching signs. Okay, well, I guess we better round up these domestic terrorists.

[Rob Carson]

Show the picture of Trump supporters. They look pretty matching to me. Yeah.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

I'm going to tell you this. Spread it around. There's no chaos in Portland. None. There is no chaos in Chicago. There was no chaos in Los Angeles.

[Rob Carson]

Yes there was.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

You're pretending there's chaos as a pretense for a military takeover. But I'm open minded. If there is chaos in these cities Trump calls hell holes, let's see it and decide if something needs to be done.

[Rob Carson]

When did that become late night television? When did that become following in Johnny Carson's footsteps? This is brand new from Jim Gossett.

[Rob Carson (Promo/Segment Voice)]

71%. That's what Campbell's lost since they put him back on the air. The morons of ABC were too blind. See that about Kimmel. No one cares. 85% in a key demo. That is what Kimmel lost. Why they keep him around to keep blues and ground still. Air him no matter what the cost. Stupid sin flare. Must feel real stupid now. Next are still with regret. 71%. Wonder where they went on camel's face.

[Jimmy Kimmel]

Disney stock was $197 a share March of 2021.

[Rob Carson]

Now it's $122 a share.

[Rob Carson (Promo/Segment Voice)]

Disney must be in panic mode. They'd pull this show if they could. Why did they bring him back? This a funny hack Suspension should have been for good.

[Rob Carson]

Now my show is called Rob Carson's One of the World. It is a political show, it's comedy. But you expect politics and it obviously is a conservative show. It's Sunday nights on Newsmax and you can check it out at 8:30 and, and we, we actually make politics funny. He brings politics into his show to make it unfunny. And he's a hack. Okay, so coming up, the Dinesh d'. Souza, he's got a great new movie about radical Islam's tentacles surrounding the globe. That's coming up on this Friday. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hey guys, it's Carson. You know, when I was a kid and I would ride in a car, I would get so car sick and so nauseous my parents would have to carry me into the house. Recently I went on a sailboat in Mexico and I got so motion sick, I was sick all day. Then I found Relief band. If you get nauseous, you absolutely must get relief band. Relief Band is the original anti nausea wristband that quickly relieves and effectively prevents nausea and vomiting associated with motion sickness, anxiety, migraines, hangovers, morning sickness, chemotherapy and much more. Relief Band is legitimately a band you wear on your wrist to give you relief from nausea and you can change the intensity to make it stronger or weaker. It's 100% drug free, non drowsy, works quickly before or after symptoms start, and has zero side effects. Relief Band has sold over 1 million devices and is backed by thousands of four star and above reviews, making it a trusted choice for fast acting, natural nausea relief. Right now we've got an exclusive offer just for Rob Carson show listeners. If you go to reliefband.com use promo code Carson. You'll receive 20% off plus free shipping. So head to reliefband.com use promo Code Carson for 20% off plus free shipping.

[Rob Carson (Promo/Segment Voice)]

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[Rob Carson]

Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon.

[Commercial Announcer]

Revelation 12:3.

[Rob Carson]

Hello.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Once again, an armed attack in the Middle East. But this time it's different.

[Rob Carson (Promo/Segment Voice)]

October 7th was the Devil's holiday.

[Rob Carson]

This is a brand new movie from Dinesh d'. Souza. It is called Dragon's Prophecy and we have him on the Newsmax hotline. Welcome back to the show, my friend. How are you?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Hey. I'm doing well, thank you. And very excited about this new film that I think is in a way extremely timely and yet it covers some issues that are also very timeless.

[Rob Carson]

Well, Dinesh, I haven't spoken to you for a while. I know that you suffered greatly during the time of disinformation and misinformation. You had an incredible documentary called 2000 Mules that the left did everything they could to destroy. It was an utter utterance. It was outrageous. What happened to us with this disinformation and misinformation campaign that was Soviet, was Stalinist in nature, was absolutely inexcusable, and I hope to hell that people are held accountable for it. I just want to say that because I haven't had a chance to say that to you and I've been wanting to say that to you for a very long time.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I appreciate it. That film in a way blew the whistle on how the 2020 election was stolen and the left just relentlessly went after it and sort of magnified what they tried to say. Oh, the film is wrong. The film is mistaken. The problem was that Republicans grew scared. The two topics that terrified mainstream Republicans were stealing of the 2020 election and January 6th.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And so we went through a dark period in which you couldn't even talk sense about those topics. I hope the air is cleared a little bit more. I don't know if there will ever be a full scale investigation of 2020. But I do take some consolation in the fact that the fact that we busted a massive fraud scheme in 2020, I think deterred the bad guys from attempting it in 24. They knew that people would be looking for it.

[Rob Carson]

You know, Dinesh, you ushered in through your sacrifice, I think, a new era of media. And, and I think the disinformation, misinformation helped to accelerate the decline of the traditional leftist media and the. And the, I mean, the unbelievable number of content producers out there from every side of the political perspective. Perspective. And then also the rebirth of journalism with people like Matthew Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi, Michael Shellenberger and John Solomon. I mean, can you believe the media environment for content producers now versus, say, 10 years ago?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Oh, it's an absolute transformation. And I love the fact that there are lots of people who aren't just doing the punditry, but they're doing the journalism. They're seeking out facts, they're putting them for public scrutiny. It's wonderful. And there's a kind of a new atmosphere of openness to new ideas. And we have the concept of the citizen journalist, which we really didn't have a couple of decades ago.

[Rob Carson]

It's remarkable. And hell, Dinesh, I reach millions of people in a studio, radio and television and podcast studio I built myself. It wasn't a spare bedroom, but now it is in a studio in Alexandria, Virginia, across the river from the swamp. You'll have to come and visit when you're in Washington. The Dragon. I'm telling you, you got to come over. We're gonna have a full. A full blown, kind of late night set, and I want to talk to you for hours. When I get you in there, I'll lock the door and we'll just talk because I'm just dying.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

We'll make it happen sometime.

[Rob Carson]

I am. I am. Let's talk about your movie. And obviously, very timely with the. The prospect of peace, I guess, to some degree, in the Middle East. The collapse of Hamas, the Donald Trump using, I mean, playing a 4D chess game to get this peace deal. Tell us about your film and how it relates to the times.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, the film is. It's got light and it's got darkness, both. It begins by putting you right on the scene of October 7th. It's almost like you're on a motorbike with a GoPro and you're going to be riding across the fences from Gaza into the kibbutzes of Israel to cause havoc. There's footage there that the world the American public has never seen before. And people have compared the opening 10 minutes of this film to like Saving Private Ryan, with the difference, of course.

[Rob Carson]

That this is real.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You know, this is actual footage taken by the perpetrators themselves. Then the film goes into a kind of a profound examination of whether the battles that we've seen between Israel and Hamas actually resemble ancient battles described in the Bible between the Israelites and a group called the Philistines. By the way, Philistine Palestine, that's the same name, that's the same word. But what Jonathan Cahn, who's the author of the Dragon's Prophecy, the book that is loosely what the film is based on, he draws this remarkable parallel between October 7th and the aftermath and things that happened in the Bible 3,000 years ago. And this is just an integration of the political with the biblical that I think is very fresh and very provocative. And then in order to authenticate the Bible, I kind of take you into the archaeological pit where you will see coins and stone inscriptions and clay fields. And basically you have all these figures in the Bible that for hundreds, if not thousands of years, they were only in the Bible. There was no non biblical proof that these people existed. I'm talking about people like the prophet Isaiah or Jeremiah or even King David. And so what you see is that through the archaeology of the last couple of decades, suddenly these figures are jumping out of the Bible and into the pages of history via the pathway of archeology. So this is just an extremely fascinating way in which not only is the Bible being corroborated, but you can kind of of see the presence of the Jews in their ancient homeland going back two, three, even 4,000 years.

[Rob Carson]

Dinesh, I know in my heart that. And I'm raised in the Jesuit tradition, I'm a Catholic. I was raised to believe that science and philosophy and faith could exist on the same spectrum. And if you believe the one principle of the universe that is without doubt, for every action, there is an equal and apposite reaction. I think we are in the reaction to the evil that is swept over the earth. And I have no doubt about this, and I have no doubt that this started thousands of years ago. Dinesh. And do you feel that way?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yes, I feel that way completely. And I will say even this, that, you know, in the 19th century and the 20th century, there was the higher kind of Bible criticism where you would have all these armchair pundits at Oxford and Yale, they would, you know, we think that these biblical stories were written hundreds of years later, and they were embellished and some of these people never existed. Well, all of this is being decimated by biblical archaeology. And not only that, it's almost as if the world has become more secular, that God is like speaking back, but now not in the thunderous language of revelation or Genesis 1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. God is speaking kind of in the soft language of science and archaeology. Oh, yes, here it is. Try to disprove this one.

[Rob Carson]

You know, we've got to. Can you stay through the next break? I want to get more of the movie and I. And I get some more of your thoughts on this. Is that okay?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. I love it. I love it. The Dragon's prophecy. Go to thedragonsprophecyfilm.com it is the latest effort from Dinesh D'. Souza. More with Dinesh D' Souza after the break. This is the Rob Carson show into.

[Zoran Mamdani]

One that's affordable for each and every New Yorker.

[Newsmax Host]

Okay. And I want to get to that. Absolutely. But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's affordable for all. And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there is peace and that is the future that we have to fight for.

[Newsmax Host]

But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond.

[Rob Carson]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable, terrifying, man. And by with he said more by not saying things during that interview the other night. Zoran Mandami, running for mayor of New York City, joining us on the Newsmax hotline. Dinesh d', Souza, the new movie is called Dragon's Prophecy. What do you think about this, this very frightening anti Semitic communist in New York City?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I think that Mamdani represents almost in a single human form, a very weird alliance that has developed over the past couple of decades between the cultural left in the west and these radical jihadi Muslims on the other side. You would not think that these two groups are even compatible. They have very different goals and they don't inhabit each other's worlds very easily. But nevertheless, some people have called it the red green alliance. The red referring to the communism or the socialism, and the green referring to the Islamic side. Well, Mamdani kind of in a charming and yet diabolical way integrates these two elements. So I think he represents in some ways the frightening new face of what we're going to be dealing with. A lot more Mamdanis, I think, down the road even than some of the other figures we've come to expect, like AOC or Ilhan Omar Mamdani is more dangerous than either of those two.

[Rob Carson]

It's a combination of the self loathing liberal and I'm not sure exactly what the predisposition is called, but when you fall in love with a person on death row, that's kind of what the left does. They hate themselves so much that they say they would like to be treated transgendered in Gaza, even though it would most assuredly mean their death. But they were so romantically involved in their heads with people like Zoran Mandami and Hamas. It's bizarre.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

The way I understand it is that the left looks at everyone as a kind of identity group. So the left thinks we have the blacks over here, the Latinos over there, the gays over there, the trans people over here, the feminists are over here. And guess what? We can have the Islamic Jihadis in their own column. We're going to give them their own room. Not realizing that those people are coming with a completely different agenda. But this is the way. This is the intellectual framework of the left.

[Rob Carson]

Well, it's the give me, it's the give Keith a chance nonsense. You know, that was one of the dumbest songs ever made. Give peace a chance. Sorry. You may think it's great and everything, but all we're saying is give peace a chance. There are despots on the face of the earth. You can sing that song all you want and they want you dead. They want to take your family and your property. It is utterly ridiculous. Wishing that that peace will happen cannot happen in a world where people like Zoran Mandami and radical Islam exists. That's just the way it is. Do you feel like, though, with the peace deal that Donald Trump and what he's done in the Middle east, with bringing seven Arab nations together, bombing Iran, neutering their ability to fund Hamas, I do believe that we have some amazing things happening there. And then you've got this kind of beginning of the seeds of rejection of radical isl, very much so. In Italy, coming to France and coming to England, do you suppose that we're seeing a change here?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I certainly hope so. You know, if you believe the Bible, then the issues in that part of the world, I mean, the Middle east will never be finally settled until the end of time. But this is not to say that you can't make measurable and even magnificent progress. And I think Trump has done some genius. The debilitating of the Iran nuclear capacity is absolutely key to embolden all these other Muslim countries to come forward and be part of this peace deal. As long as Iran was pulling strings and exercising its evil machinations, this was really not possible. Now I think we know that even though the first phase of this, I think, has gone off very well, the truth of it is Hamas is not going to change it spots. You know, they still remain committed to sort of death and destruction. There are obviously a whole generation of young people already indoctrinated. So the challenges ahead remain immense. But I do think that we can take a moment just to celebrate the achievement of Trump, which, you know, I'm old enough to have lived through the Nixon peace plan and the Carter plan and the Clinton plan. Many presidents have tried and Trump has succeeded beyond any of them.

[Rob Carson]

Well, Dinesh, I have trouble watching violence and things, and I have not been able to watch the uncensored, you know, October 7th, your movie, Dragon's Prophecy, though so many people are returning to church. I have returned to church since Charlie Kirk was martyred. And I noticed you have group showings where you can get the movie for your congregation. I think it's enormously important, regardless of how difficult it is to watch, that everybody, Judeo, Christian, if you, if you, you know, Jewish, Christian, whatever, that you see this. I think it's very, very important.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Dinesh, you know, I'll tell you the I've seen really all the footage. The footage we show is enough to put you on the scene. It's not the most disturbing footage. I wouldn't show it to a seven year old, but I think for a high school student, for an adult, you would be just fine seeing it. And I think it would actually give you a really, you know, experiential sense of what that was all really like. So, yes. Thedragonsprophecyfilm.com you mentioned the website. That's the place to stream it. That's the place to get the DVDs. And I think the film takes you to some dark places, but it doesn't leave you there. I like your note of spiritual restoration that you talked about with Charlie Kirk.

[Rob Carson]

Yes. And Dinesh, that you tied it into biblical history. And more than I have ever, ever in my life, I have never been a B banger. I've never been a big Bible reader. But now I know it. I know it's true. I know it's true. Dinesh. And, and, and you have been through this, brother. You have been through the tribulations. You have been through tribulations more than most. And I do believe we're in a time of enlightenment. I am so grateful that you found the time to be on our show today, Dinesh.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

[Rob Carson]

You bet. The dragon prophecy film.com Dinesh D' Souza's latest project. Make sure to check that out. And if you want to do a group showing with your church or synagogue, I would encourage it. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Show me how to live, baby, again I'll tell you this. This song came out, the Audio Slave album came out about the same time that Mel Gibson's movie the Passion of the Grice came out. And I remember when that happened, I flew into Omaha, Nebraska. I got off the plane to greet my sister who said, your brother died. And I just had. This week. This week, I was auditioning at a radio station in Omaha, Nebraska, and I went to see that movie, the Passion in a movie theater with a giant congregation of Catholics. And then that song, that song is about his struggle, Chris Cornell, who ultimately killed himself, the lead singer of Audio Slave and others. And about his. He's. He's. He was given life. And he's asking God, you gave me life, now show me how to live. Nail in my hand from my creator. You gave me life, now show me how to live. God's not going to show you how to live. God's going to give you some. Some hints. But I want. The thing God won't do is attack you. I blame God for my suffering. God wasn't making me suffer. That was coming from a dark place to move me away from God. And we're all moving closer, right? We are, aren't we? Yeah. I want to mention something before I go. Birch Gold is a glorious sponsor of the show. They've been a faithful sponsor of the radio program. We appreciate them. Even through disinformation and misinformation, we appreciate them. And right now, when you buy for every $5,000 invested in Birch Gold, you. In advance of Veterans Day, a free patriotic silver round that commemorates the Gasden and American flags. This coin was worth $48 last week. It's worth 54 this week. That's how crazy ridiculous. Silver is growing right now. Plus, they'll send you this, this, this silver round honoring Veterans Day on qualifying purchases. Gold is. Is growing at historic, historic portions. And. And you need to have it in your portfolio. I mean, honestly, it's gone up 50, almost 50% this year. So text my name Rob to 989-898. Text Rob to 989-898. You'll get information on it. And if you are eligible, you get some of these silver rounds. They're absolutely magnificent. Birch Gold, 989-898. Text my name Rob to 989-898. Time for me to go. Please watch my TV show Sunday night on Newsmax. It's called Rob Carson's what in the World this weekend show. It's getting better and better and better. I promise you, you will laugh. It is a smart show. It makes points with comedy, which is what I've been doing my entire career, including when I worked for Rush Limbaugh. Have a glorious weekend. God bless you, your families. Donald Trump is what he's doing for this country. And until Monday, do not catch the stupid. God bless you. Love you guys.

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