Epstein Files Fizzle, Democrats Meltdown Again

Summary

The Rob Carson Show – “Epstein Files Fizzle, Democrats Meltdown Again”

Newsmax Podcasts | November 13, 2025

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Overview

In this third hour of The Rob Carson Show, Rob Carson delivers his signature satirical and spirited take on America’s political landscape, focusing on Democratic failures surrounding the recent government shutdown, the much-hyped but underwhelming Epstein files release, and the left’s broader existential dilemmas. The episode features candid commentary, pointed humor, and memorable moments with guest Ben Weingarten (The Federalist, Real Clear Investigations) and clips from Alan Dershowitz and Joe Rogan.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Shutdown and the Democrats’ “Meltdown”

• Democrat Tactics Backfire: Rob analyzes the 43-day government shutdown, arguing Democrats used it to try and hurt Trump's economy and pursue unrelated policy goals but ultimately failed ("Defeated, humiliated, disgraced" [04:15]).
• Republican Resolve: For the first time in years, Carson notes, Republicans didn't "crumble" under pressure ([23:30]) and likens the Democrats’ response to a "temper tantrum" ([23:44] – Ben Weingarten).
• Power Struggle within the Democratic Party: Discussion on the fading establishment (Pelosi, Schumer) versus the rising leftist "young Turks" like AOC. Weingarten predicts disastrous consequences for the party as this transition continues ([24:32], [27:02]).

"They have a party that is held hostage by its left wing... and it's only going to take a few more cycles before it's out with the old and in with the new. And it should be disastrous for the party."
— Ben Weingarten [24:32]

2. The Epstein Files – “A Nothingburger”

• Epstein Release Used as Political Distraction: Rob criticizes the late-night media push around new Epstein files, pointing out a lack of new information and accusing Democrats of weaponizing innuendo ([05:50]-[09:54]).
• Bill Clinton’s Name Surfaces: Despite attempts to hint at Trump connections, the documents mostly rehash long-standing Clinton allegations and lack substance implicating Trump.
  • “If they would have had anything, they would have used it, but they didn't.”
    — Tim Burchett ([06:06])
• Virginia Giuffre's Tragedy and Media Cynicism: Emphasizes the human cost for victims, criticizing both parties for using her story as a political cudgel ([09:54]-[12:16]).

3. Cultural & Political Commentary: Civil War Rhetoric and the State of the Left

• Joe Rogan Clip: Rob features a striking Joe Rogan segment about increasing polarization and incitement, warning America is moving toward “civil war” levels of division ([16:08]-[18:31]).
• Religious and Moral Undercurrents: Rogan, an atheist, openly muses, “We need Jesus, for real. Like, if he came back now, it’d be great” ([17:36]).
• Carson’s Response: Rob echoes this, diagnosing a spiritual malaise as the left “spirals into hell with their negativity” ([18:32]).

"We need to, we need Jesus, for real. Like, if he came back now, it'd be great. Like Jesus, if you're thinking about coming back right now, now's a good time."
— Joe Rogan [17:36]

4. Healthcare, Obamacare, and Populist Reform

• Health Insurance Critique: Alan Dershowitz (clip) and Carson denounce the enriching of insurance companies under Obamacare and call for direct payments to citizens ([21:32], [22:02]).
• Personal Costs: Rob describes his own struggles with outrageous insurance premiums, illustrating the failures of the system ([36:00]).

“By just paying the insurance companies, their stocks have gone up 1,000%, premiums have gone up, up 400%. ... It's like buying liability insurance for your car.”
— Rob Carson [36:00]

5. Trump’s Irrepressible Humor & Human Side

• On Humor and Leadership: Trump’s sense of humor and resilience are celebrated as unparalleled in modern politics, much to the “humorless” left’s frustration ([30:45]-[32:08]).
  • Anecdote: Trump jokes with a Middle Eastern leader about cologne and “wives” ([30:52]).
  • White House meme: Trump depicted flying a fighter jet, dropping feces on protestors ([32:08]).
• Trump’s Compassion: Shares a heartfelt voicemail Trump left for Sharon Osbourne after Ozzy’s passing, and recounts a personal condolence email he received from Trump after his own mother's funeral ([39:10]-[39:42]).

“He didn’t have to call and leave a voicemail.”
— Ben Weingarten [39:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Letitia James and Trump Prosecutions:
  "I have never seen a weaker criminal case in my 60 years of practicing law."
  — Alan Dershowitz [05:30]

• On the Democrats’ Attempts and Failures:
  “Every time that the Democrats lose like they did last night, I’m gonna rub it in their faces. It’s just so glorious.”
  — Rob Carson [05:50]

• On Bill Clinton in Epstein Files:
  "So she says, considering that B. Clinton walked into Vanity Fair and threatened them not to write sex trafficking articles about his good friend Jeffrey Epstein."
  — News clip read by Rob Carson [11:50]

• On New Democratic Leadership:
  "The Democratic Party is quickly becoming the Democrat Socialist Party... these lefties are going to draw the Democrats into an unelectable position."
  — Rob Carson [26:16]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:47: Rob Carson opens with commentary on authentic presentation and show format
• 04:15: Launches into the Democrat shutdown debacle
• 05:04 - 05:50: Alan Dershowitz on Letitia James and Trump’s prosecutions
• 06:06: Tim Burchett on the Epstein files politicization
• 07:41 - 09:54: Media coverage and political spinning of the Epstein revelations
• 10:28 - 12:16: Bill Clinton's (alleged) involvement & Virginia Giuffre's story
• 16:08 - 18:31: Joe Rogan on civil war rhetoric and societal decline
• 21:32 - 22:02/33:19 - 36:45: Alan Dershowitz and Rob on healthcare/Obamacare reform
• 23:28 - 27:02: Ben Weingarten on Democrat infighting and left-wing ascendancy
• 30:45 - 32:08: Trump’s humor and the left’s inability to compete
• 39:10 - 39:42: Trump’s empathetic outreach to Sharon Osbourne and Rob Carson

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Flow & Takeaways

• Rob Carson weaves biting humor and real outrage to critique Democratic maneuvers during the shutdown and Epstein file media blitz, highlighting their lack of substance and political backfire.
• Recurring themes include the left’s internal chaos, spiritual/cultural decline, failed attempts to implicate Trump, and the need for a populist policy reset—especially on healthcare.
• The episode is peppered with personal, relatable anecdotes and pointed analogies, balancing satire with moments of genuine empathy.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode exemplifies Carson’s blend of satire, commentary, and policy discussion. The Rob Carson Show is as much about ridiculing the powerful as it is about uplifting Carson’s vision of American values—humor, candor, and resilience in the fight against "the left’s meltdown." Expect both laughs and pointed criticism, with a clear-eyed focus on what’s next for both parties and the country.

Transcript

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[Alan Dershowitz]

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[Rob Carson]

This is the Rob Carson Show. This is the Rob Carson show, hour number three of the show. We are on radio stations around the country and of course we are also streaming on all Newsmax social media. You can see the show here. I if you're watching right now, you're seeing my very handsome face wearing a black T shirt with a nice background because this is kind of what I feel comfortable in. I'm never gonna be the kind of guy who likes to wear a tie and a suit on. I have no problem with dressing up. I like dressing up. I do. I enjoy clothing. I enjoy being able to fit in clothing like I do now. But I just, I do not particularly care to dress up a suit and a tie. If I had to do that every day, I would go, I would go crazy. I was doing my TV show, Rob Carson's what in the World, which by the way, this Sunday is really funny. Really funny. This weekend. If you've seen the show, you know what it's like. And I made a few adjustments. We're adding some things. We're gonna, we're gonna dress it up a little. We're gonna give a little facelift like Nancy Pelosi. This weekend show is really funny. And it's Sunday nights at 8:30 following Michael Savage, where you would expect to find a comedy show. Sure. Anyway. But. But you can watch it there. You can. It's on into Newsmax 2 as well. But. But it is a very funny show. Donald Trump says it makes me the funniest guy on television. He told me personally. And for a while there, I decided when I moved to D.C. i'd wear a tie and do the show. When you wear a tie, you talk like you're wearing a tie. Do you just. You can't be funny like you would normally. You're not loose. Right? Okay. So the Same reason I don't do it. You do a show at a standing desk because when you, when you project on the radio, you sound like you're standing. You understand what I'm talking about? Trust me on this. You just sound like you're. You're standing. You're not relaxed, you're not cool. You're better off sitting without a suit on. So I do wear a jacket and a shirt. I just put the tie away and the tie wasn't working for me. So whatever. Take it or leave it. I don't care. Stephen Miller on the shutdown that ended yesterday. This shutdown was an example of just how little the Democrats care about Americans. They forced our national security workers to go without pay. And they did it because it was just the next thing. It was the next whatever they could cobble together to impact or hurt Donald Trump to possibly hurt his economy. Going to the fourth quarter. On top of last week, they were fuming about the White House getting torn down. And then before that, it was no Kings. And before that it was Elon Musk as a Nazi. And before that, it was signal gate. And before that, it was no oligarchs. They forced Americans to be stuck at airports, flights. Epstein files. We'll get to that in a second. Canceled at levels never seen before in history. Why? All for what? $1.5 trillion of demands, including free health care for illegal aliens, to bloat the government to steal from taxpayers, to steal from working Americans. And in the end, after over 40 days, 40, what did they get? Nothing. Defeated, humiliated, disgraced. I know. I think it's cool. That's one of the best things about it. Because we had to, for four years, go through, no, nine years, go through absolute hell, being told that we were conspiracy theorists and white supremacists and Joe Biden even stood in front of the Independence hall, said, we are MAGA fascists and enemies of democracy. And then we had to watch our, our, our presidential candidate, our hero, Donald Trump, sit there behind Letitia James fat butt in court. No, actually, her fat butt was sitting Donald Trump in court. And she was smirking because she knew she didn't have anything on it, but she was able to cobble together some charges. And we had to sit through all of that. The indignity of all of that crap. Absolutely ridiculous. I got a comment here. Let me find it. This is Alan Dershowitz. Dershowitz talking. Last night, he was talking on Piers Morgan, Piers Morgan show. I don't get to watch the show, but here is Piers Morgan Last night he was sitting on a panel with a bunch of liberals. And by the way, he's a liberal. You know, I've had Alan on the show before, and we have great friends. I always tell them, I want to get together and break hollow with you, my friend. But here's what he had to say about Tish James. This is a liberal.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Trish James ran for office the only time I've ever heard a prosecutor do this since Stalin's time on the claim of I'm going to get Trump no matter what he did. I haven't done any research. I haven't looked at it, but my campaign is get Trump.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Alan Dershowitz]

And she tried to get him in every way. She tried to invent crime she couldn't find. Finally, she went after him civilly, then they went after him criminally. I have never seen a weaker criminal case in my 60 years of practicing law.

[Rob Carson]

I know.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Than this miraculous.

[Rob Carson]

It was another indignity heaped upon us for we had to go this through.

[Alan Dershowitz]

This for years version of a misdemeanor which was time barred into a felony based on multiple choice. In 60 years, I have never seen a worse case, criminal case than the one against.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, we had like four of those cases we had to watch. And then they tried to take him off the ballot and then tried to murder him a couple times. So every time that the Democrats lose like they did last night, I'm gonna rub it in their faces. It's just so glorious. But they tried. Oh, man, they tried a bunch of things last night. They decided they were gonna unleash some Epstein files last night. Today. Oh, man, there was all sorts of Epstein stuff. There was nothing there. There was no there there. They released like a. A couple of files. Here's Tim. Here's Tim Burchett. I'll just share Tim Burchett. He's. He's one of my heroes. Now, talking about what they released last night. Released Epstein files. Yeah, that's right. I just put a bill up. I just tried to move it ahead. Because what you're seeing right now is what exactly is going to happen, going to continue happening. Everybody's going to pull a little piecemeal portions. Sorry about that. I got animate. I'm sorry. They're going to pull portions of it out and they're going to try to fit their own little narrative. Both sides are going to do it. You all know it, and you're all going to feed upon it. Let's just get the dead gum bill out. Let's vote it out. And the Democrats oppose me on it. It's stupid. It's all about politics. It's not about taking care of young ladies who got abused and we should take care of them. But there's a process in place. The Democrats have had it for four years and do a dadgum thing. And, you know, if Trump was in that thing, yeah, Biden, the rest, Kamala Harris, I mean, he's the Antichrist to them. They would have already had it out. They would have already had it out. They would have had it out because, you know, they did everything else. They did 91, you know, indictments and four trials and trying to take them off the battle and then trying to murder him a couple times. And two impeachments didn't work. And they had all the information on the Epstein files when Joe Biden was president. If they would have had anything, they would have used it. They would have used it, but they didn't. Jasmine Crockett, the dim wit, she's unbelievable. She was on CNN last night trying to hint that, oh, yeah, Donald Trump's son, Jeff Stein, Joseph Epstein. And then they call her out.

[News Reporter]

This is an email from April 2, 2011. Republicans are saying that that victim is Virginia Giuffre. As you know, she died by suicide. She's been very.

[Rob Carson]

So the name is out there. She just said the name.

[News Reporter]

Spoke a very outspoken victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Here's the. The email right here on your screen. She wrote a book, as you know, and she did not accuse him of any wrongdoing. What do you make of that? And can you confirm that? Yeah, I don't know. Obviously it's redacted who the victim is.

[Rob Carson]

No, no, no. The name is Virginia. Jeffrey. She just said it.

[News Reporter]

So I won't necessarily take the Republican's word on who it is. That's redacted.

[Rob Carson]

No, no, everybody knows who it was.

[News Reporter]

And I don't know why they would necessarily redact someone's name.

[Rob Carson]

Not redacted.

[News Reporter]

It's right there or so is deceased at this point. The Democrats did that. The Democrats were. No, no, no, I understand, but I'm.

[Rob Carson]

Just saying, like here she distracts because she's an idiot.

[News Reporter]

Our biggest concern is to actually make sure that we are protecting victims and obviously.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, my God, what a dodge duck. Dodge and dodge. Yeah, Just like the movie Dodgeball. Here is a Caroline Levin talking about that.

[News Reporter]

These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong. And what President Trump has always said is that he was from Pompeo.

[Rob Carson]

They whipped US out last night because Donald Trump kicked their butts on the opening of the federal government.

[News Reporter]

And so was Jeffrey Epstein an act of desperation. Jeffrey Epstein was a member like a.

[Rob Carson]

Date with me at Mar a Lago.

[News Reporter]

Until President Trump kicked him out because Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and he was a creep. In this email you refer to with the name of a victim that was unredacted now and has since been reported on it.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, her name is Virginia Giuffre, this room.

[News Reporter]

So I will go ahead and say it. Virginia Guthre. And it was CBS's own reporting Weija that recently wrote that Ms. Guthrie maintained, and God rest her soul, that she maintained that there was nothing inappropriate she ever witnessed, that President Trump was always extremely professional and friendly to her. And so I think it's a question worth asking the Democrat Party and you should all go ask them after this briefing of why they chose to redact that name of a victim who has already publicly made statements about her relationship with Jeff.

[Rob Carson]

Because they wanted to use innuendo as a weapon. And it didn't work because they're evil. You know, it's really sad is that poor woman, what she went through and then she killed herself. That was her life. Nobody thinks about her. Abused, ruined her entire life. Was that. And then it ended it. Sickening. But it's kind of weird because there's only one person who wanted to suppress the story. Yeah, only one person. His name's Bill.

[News Reporter]

New details this morning. Hundreds of new pages have been unsealed in a lawsuit connected to convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[News Reporter]

The victim alleges that the former that former President Clinton pressed, didn't he have.

[Rob Carson]

A penchant for young women, like younger, much younger, much like less than half of his age and stuff like that. Did something with an intern. It involves staining a dress.

[News Reporter]

Vanity Fair. Not to run a.

[Rob Carson]

And a cigar, but you know, Epstein.

[News Reporter]

The pages also shed new light on how Epstein's victims were recruited and what happened to them. CNN's Gene Cesares joins us now. And Jean, we're talking about 900 pages.

[Rob Carson]

This is a story from last year here.

[News Reporter]

So there's a lot to go through. What new details have come out? Well, they came out last night combing through them. And you know, this all stems from a 2015 civil suit, I believe.

[Rob Carson]

Also Jeffrey Epstein had a picture of Bill Clinton in a blue dress. And also, Bill Clinton flew on the lolita express like 25 times and sometimes.

[News Reporter]

Didn'T have the Secret Service brought by Virginia Giuffre.

[Rob Carson]

Not saying he wasn't being serviced, but.

[News Reporter]

Not by the Secret Service against Ghislaine Maxwell. And Virginia Duffrey had wanted her story to come out. She wanted a book. And so she became very close with a reporter out of Britain. And, and this reporter was encouraging her to go to the Vanity Fair magazine to have them do an article on it.

[Rob Carson]

And who stopped.

[News Reporter]

And here is what, in a newly undisclosed email from 2011, here is what Virginia Giuffre says. She says, considering that B. Clinton walked into VF Vanity Fair and threatened them not to write sex trafficking articles about his good friend Je Jeffrey Epstein. So she didn't want to do it.

[Rob Carson]

I just feel bad for her, I really do. That a young woman would go through this and so many women this has happened to. It happened to when our southern border was open. Hundreds of thousands of young women traded for sex. It really is thoroughly disgusting. And I just, and I pray for her. I'm really sad for her. I'm sorry to bring it there, but that's, that's how I'm going to have to end this segment because of all the other talk and everything and all of the truth will come out and the Democrat Party bringing this up and using it as a political cudgel at the end of a failed government shutdown is just disgusting. But I don't want her name to be forgotten. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. So coming up, I've got some comments from Joe Rogan about possible civil war. There's been talk about it. It would be the shortest civil war in the history of mankind because the left is not well armed physically or intellectually, but anyway. And also the military loves Donald Trump, so there's that. They're all a bunch of rock throwing terrorists. That's what the left is. That's what they are. They're like, they're like Hamas. I'm not using that comparison loosely, by the way. So $4,202. What's that? What's the price of gold today? $4,202. You know what? It was Monday. Four grand. So if you added 10 ounces of gold, you'd have $2,000. What did your 401k do this week? You might want to just log in and look at it and maybe you shouldn't, don't do it before the end of the show. It could be a little depressing. Maybe it's time to, to text my name. Rob to 989-898 for birch gold last week broke the 4th. $4,000 an ounce. I know gold, $4,000 an ounce threshold last week, right? And we were all like, oh, my God. Because it started at $2600 in January and it's November, and then it kind of sat there for a couple days, and then Monday came around with 4,000. Then yesterday is 4,100. Now it's $4,200. Might want to get on that gold train. Gold thrives in times of uncertainty, and central banks are buying up gold. The American dollar is not what it used to. What, you know, it's not worth what it's supposed to be because of all the spending and the debt. So gold is precious, and it's becoming more precious, and it should be obvious. The precious. You might want to get some of the precious into your portfolio. And right now you can get more of the precious for every $20,000 that you invest in Birch gold. Free gold sent to your home. Thank you very much. Delivered by a little man who talks like this. No, he doesn't, actually. It'll come in a package and it'll be secure and all that, or you can just have it deposited. Your account. Text my name, Rob. Gollum will not come to your house. Text my name, Rob to 9,898 not associated with Gollum. Rob the 989-898 to claim your eligibility for a free info kit on gold and your opportunity to get free gold with every $20,000 purchased that ends November 30th. Don't wait. Text Rob to 989-898 and you could have gold delivered to your shire. Here is a twisted, twisted analogy. This is Joe Rogan talking about the possibility of civil war. And more importantly, he's talking about the descent of the Democrat party into blackness. I mean, darkness beyond belief.

[Joe Rogan]

Charlie Kirk gets shot, and people are celebrating like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You want people to die that you disagree with? Like, where are we right now? On the scale of one to two? Civil war, where are we? Are we at seven? Because I thought we were five. I thought we were like four, Four or five. But after Charlie Kirk, then I'm like, oh, we might be like, seven. This might be like step seven on. On the way to a bona fide civil war. As soon as you start celebrating regular people celebrating somebody getting murdered in front of their wife and kid on television, in front of the whole world. As soon as you celebrate that, like, man, you're in dark territory. You're in dark territory. And if the worst thing you could say about that guy is that he said some things I disagree with.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you're celebrating that he got shot in the neck in front of the world.

[Rob Carson]

Whoa.

[Joe Rogan]

And you work at an insurance company. This is nuts. And you thought it was okay to say that on Instagram? This is nuts.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. This is Joe Rogan. This is Joe Rogan from a couple years ago. And I saved this quote because I think it's pretty powerful because he's an atheist and a liberal. Why? Like, what is that? What is it? And why is it so obvious to a completely, even a completely secular person like me all of a sudden? There's a reason for that. We're what? You know, history is moving really, really fast. We're right in the middle of it.

[Joe Rogan]

I was having a conversation in the green room at the club the other night about this guy from Canada that's HIV positive, that's a trans woman that's taking hormones so they can breastfeed their nine month old daughter. So a biological male is taking hormones and is now breastfeeding. And I said, if I was Satan, if Satan was real, I would do that. And unfortunately, a lot of very intelligent people, they dismiss all the positive aspects of religion because they think that the stories are mere superstitious fairy tales that, you know, they have no place in this modern world. And, you know, we're inherently good and your ethics are based on your old moral compass and we all have one. And that's not necessarily true. We need to, we need Jesus for real. Like, if he came back now, it'd be great. Like Jesus. If you're thinking about coming back right.

[Ben Weingarten]

Now, now's a good time.

[Rob Carson]

Pretty soon. Yeah, now's a good time. Yeah. You know, I, I don't like to proselytize. I certainly am not a Bible banger. I couldn't tell you a full Bible verse from memory, but there's something happening. I told you about this. I told you about this last year and it's happening. TB USA has had a hundred thousand inquiries to start chapters. And, and I was talking to somebody on the phone, a fan of the show today, and he said, they make it TPW TP World. TP World, not just TP usa. And it's happening last night, the defeat of the Democrats and them falling into spiraling into hell with their negativity, disappointed that suffering didn't continue. That's there's something wrong. And when they celebrated Charlie Kirk's death, you're, you're going to want to repent. And if, and if you don't, then we'll just march past you because nothing good is coming of where the direction you're going. Nothing good on this earth and nothing after this life. I'm just going to tell you, I'm going to tell you. Overwhelm them with joy and patriotism. And if they try to beat you down, overwhelm them with, with force. If they try to strike you, then you, then you strike them. But. But we are going to overwhelm them with joy and patriotism and love and faith. There you go. Ben Weingarten, senior contributor, the Federalist editor at large at Real Clear Investigations, joins us next. Don't go anywhere. Hey guys, it's Carson. Forget fresh olive oil. I eat olive oil every day. I got rid of seed oils years ago. Life is too short to not have wonderful fresh olive oil. And I mean fresh olive oil packs the most flavor and healthy ingredients when it's fresh from the farm. And that's the problem with supermarket olive oils. They're not fresh. They could sit on the shelf for months, growing stale. That's why I get my olive oil from small, award winning farms thanks to a fellow named T.J. robinson, also known as the olive oil hunter. When I tasted TJ Farms fresh olive oils, I fell in love with their vibrant, grassy flavors. They were incredibly delicious on salad, veggies, pasta, meat, fish, you name it. And as an introduction to his fresh pressed Olive Oil Club, TJ is willing to send you a full size $39 bottle of one of the world's finest artisanal olive oil, the New harvest, for just $1 to help him cover shipping. There's no commitment to buy anything now or later. Get your free $39 bottle for just $1 and taste the difference freshness makes. Go to getfreshrobcarson.com that's getfreshrobcarson.com for a free bottle and pay just $1 shipping. Get freshrobcarson.com.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Gonna go down. It went the exact opposite with the biggest increase of any of healthcare in any country. It's a disaster. And I'm calling today for insurance companies not to be paid, but for the money. This massive amount of money to be paid directly to the people of our country so that they can buy their own healthcare, which will be far better and far less expensive than the disaster known as Obamacare. And I've had, I think great support. I've even had Democrat support.

[Rob Carson]

I know.

[Alan Dershowitz]

So we want the money that would be going to the insurance company which is Hundreds of billions of dollars. You know, their stock prices have gone up by a thousand percent, in many cases 1000% over a short period of time because our country stupidly pays them so much money with this.

[Rob Carson]

It's amazing. The, the cabal of big health care, big insurance, big vaccine, all of that, and, and increasingly giving more money to Democrats, all of them. It is, it is remarkable. I like to say that the left exposes its flank so we can kick its ass. And this is of occasions with this shutdown that happened, among other things also. Oh yeah, the, the snap benefits. And what a gigantic scam that's been. 40% more enrollees, illegals, 53% of them illegally on it. And it was all exposed because of this government shutdown. So the Democrat Party tries some nonsense, you know, the shutdown. This is the next thing. The shutdown was the next thing after all the other bullcrap they've done this year, and, and it imploded on them. It exploded in their faces just like that. You know, that Acme, you know, explosive device that Wiley Coyote ordered on online. Senior editor of the Federalist and editor at large at Real Clear Investigations, Ben Weingarten joins us on the Newsmax hotline. How are you, brother?

[Ben Weingarten]

I'm well. Thanks for having me, Rob.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, man. So what do you think about this, the shutdown, the results? Last night, for the first time in my adult life that I've been following politics, we had the Republicans not crumble. What are your thoughts after. Afterwards?

[Ben Weingarten]

Yeah. Shocking, shocking development. The Democrats resembled what Republicans have often looked like historically in how they played this. Look, I think at the end of the day, in some ways, what you saw from the Democrats was a temper tantrum. They're in the minority. They can't handle it. They had no leverage. They were playing a definitional losing hand. And so consequently, 43 days in, they gain nothing. There is nothing that they obtain in some kind of deal with Republicans here. It's just like it was if you roll back the calendar 43 days, except for, I guess they can say that the Republican led Congress was not able to advance the ball, advance the agenda on the MAGA mandate for this time. So maybe the Democrats would say that's a win. But what this was, of course, in reality, is that they have a party that is held hostage by its left wing. The left wing will ultimately dominate the Democrat Party, if it hasn't already, and it arguably has already. And that's why you had Chuck Schumer playing what was a definitional losing hand. Because he is deadly afraid of being ousted by aoc. And the same goes for the rest of leadership. So this is an intraparty battle between an establishment that is dying and the ascendant young Turks within their party. And it's only going to take a few more cycles before it's out with the old and in with the new. And it should be disastrous for the party and it will be disastrous for the constituents that they represent. And we just dealt with one little illustration of it in a very significant 43 day shutdown.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I was watching Hugh Hewitt. Hugh Hewitt is a sage and he was talking about the shutdown and the emergence of these young turks. I like. You ever see the movie Blade? You ever see that? Remember the young, the young vampire goes in and gives the old vampires a little what, fur and then opens the window. And the old vampire. It's kind of like what happened to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. But here is you, Hewitt talking about.

[Ben Weingarten]

Nancy will be retiring and she'll be, she'll be an incredible hedge fund manager.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Well, now she'll be able to go live in that gingerbread house and get children and fatten them up and stick them in an oven. I think it's going to be aoc. I would say Mamdani, except he's not eligible to run in 2028. I don't think it's going to be Cory Booker. He just gets louder. He doesn't make more sense. Yeah, AOC has got more sparkle. President Trump acknowledges that she's got a lot of charisma. Her ideas will not work though. The Democratic Party is quickly becoming the Democrat Socialist Party with elections in New York and in Seattle. And these lefties are going to draw the Democrats into an unelectable position. The Electoral College is not moving in their direction. President Trump is and JD Vance have made the Republican Party the centrist party now as well as the conservative party. And the left is just taking over the Democrats. It's not going to work for them. But a leftist will lead the Democratic ticket like McGovern did in 72. We'll get a left winger in 2020. Yeah, that's what I think. A lot of people are concerned about the young Turks taking over the country. But there are too many of us old Turks who, you know, Honestly, it's an 8020 issue. Socialism versus, you know, Democrats and Republicans is an 8020 issue. What do you think?

[Ben Weingarten]

Well, absolutely. They take 8020 or 9010 on the wrong side stances on a whole slew of issues. And all you have to do look no further than Joe Biden's presidency. I mean, there's a very, I think, a compelling argument that Joe Biden was infinitely more radical than Barack Obama was in terms of his policies. Now, that's not because he, by himself, by his own nature, is an is or was. As we know, he was pretty much a mainstream Democrat who maybe had no ideological conviction and just wanted power for most of his career. However, his.

[Rob Carson]

He had pudding for brains. He was a puppet, dude. He was Barack Obama. Barack Obama. Joe Biden was the puppet. That was it. He did what Barack Obama was unable to do when Barack Obama was president. But it's the moist romantic dream of the class of 1968. And he was able to do it because he had an auto pin and a guy who had pudding for brains in the White House.

[Ben Weingarten]

It was Barack Obama on steroids. And Barack Obama paved that path, no doubt. But the Democrats realized they still needed a frontman who had the appearance of being at least somewhat rational. I think that all better off in terms of 2028, I think that that is gone. The Democrat Party will not tolerate a figure like that. I mean, we'll sit back and have popcorn watching Gavin Newsom go up against aoc, et cetera, and that battle that's about to ensue. But that said, it's still incumbent upon Republicans to make a compelling populist nationalist MAGA message to appeal to the lower propensity voters that Donald Trump was able to drive out to vote in record numbers. And I do think to that point, that the Virginia and New Jersey elections, while they are not necessarily going to tell us how the midterms are going to go or what 2028 is going to look like. They are a cautionary tale about the fact that you need to drive home the MAGA message and you need to appeal to those constituents who came after Donald Trump because he will not be on the ticket in 2026 effectively or in 2028. And so that is a cautionary tale for the Republicans.

[Rob Carson]

Well, we need to really focus on being able to get the message out in the vacuum of the media because they're going to continue the, the overwhelmingly negative messaging about Donald Trump. They're trying to con that the economy is terrible when it's not compared to Joe Biden. They covered up Joe Biden's terrible economy. So they're going to have to figure out a way. And I think, I think that the, the lies they're telling are being drowned out by the success of the administration, but it doesn't mean there's not a battle. Ben, can you hold on through the break? I've got a bunch of other things I'd like to cover on the other side, if you don't mind.

[Ben Weingarten]

Sure. Thanks.

[Rob Carson]

All right, Ben Weingarten, the editor large at Real Clear Investigations, senior contributor to the Federal Back in a moment on the Rob Carson show, one of the.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Funniest moments in any Cabinet meeting.

[Rob Carson]

President Trump had them bring in a full size picture of himself with Putin. And when they were in Hawaii, and he's very tall and Putin was very short, Putin came up to about here.

[Alan Dershowitz]

And he said, you know what I said to him?

[Rob Carson]

He said, I've had it up to here with you. Okay, I remember that. Yeah, yeah. That is fantastic. Donald Trump said to Vladimir Putin, I've had it up to here with you. That is just fantastic. The guy has a sense of humor. Ben Weingarten, Things are never going to be the same when Donald Trump is out of office. We've never seen anything like this, have we?

[Ben Weingarten]

Never seen anything like it. We'll never see another figure like it again. And he will be impossible to replicate.

[Rob Carson]

I know it's, he had a, he had a guy. I don't, I don't have it in front of me. He was, there was someone in the Middle Eastern leader in the White House yesterday and he was sharing his Donald Trump cologne and he said to the guy, he said, try this. You could, you know, your wife might like it or your wives. And the guy goes, no, only one wife. He goes, Trump goes, with you guys, I never know. The left got all bit out of shape, out of it. And I didn't think it's funny. I think it's just friggin hilarious. This is the kind of humor that the left is censored and, and everybody gets so butthurt about whatever words we've been using. Or maybe you might insult somebody or you might offend somebody. And I just think it's, I think it's glorious. I do, Ben. I think it's glorious.

[Ben Weingarten]

The left is entirely humorless. They want everyone to walk on eggshells at all times. And I think the two traits that enraged them the most about Trump are one, his sense of humor, and it's undeniable. And two, the courage, the ability to take all the slings and arrows literally bullets. And that toughness and that willingness to fight them, to duke it out with them, is something that they really hate him for because they have not encountered a comparable figure like that.

[Rob Carson]

Well, look what happened with the no Kings protests. These idiotic no Kings protests. And what they really wanted to do, what the left wants to do, is they want to convince the world that their numbers are so overwhelming that Donald Trump will have to leave via helicopter from the roof of the White House when it's all bought and paid for. And what did Donald Trump do? He puts up a meme with him flying a fighter jet, dumping feces on them.

[Ben Weingarten]

They can't meme either.

[Rob Carson]

So.

[Ben Weingarten]

Really? Yeah. These are supposed to be the masters of optics and messages, and they just cannot compete.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, my God, it is just so fun to watch. It's just so fun to watch. Donald Trump says. And I think one of the positives is going to come out of this entire thing is the, the fixing of Obamacare. That, that's an, that's an amazing thing that we've, we've seen it being completely exposed. We've even had Democrats say that it is a piece of crap. And here is Donald Trump saying the, the quiet part out loud, which he is more than willing. And I gotta tell you, people are. People are ticked about this. They know how much healthcare has cost and it's costing them right now. None of the promises have been fulfilled.

[Alan Dershowitz]

So I'm always willing to work with anyone, including the other party we'll work with, on something having to do with healthcare. We can do a lot better. We can do great. So much money is involved and we're willing to pay so much money to the people. So we're going to pay a lot of money to the people. They're going to go out and buy their own health care and we're going to forget this Obamacare madness.

[Rob Carson]

I remember the night Obamacare passed. It was 2010. I was in Washington D.C. i was going to a gathering and I sat in the car and listened to Congress vote against the will of the American people and voted in. And I was crested fallen. And I knew it was going to happen and it happened. And insurance companies made billions of dollars. But do you, do you feel like. I think, I think this, this shutdown was a turning point. Not as profound as the turning point of Charlie Kirk being murdered, but I think this could be the beginning, maybe of the ebb of the temper tantrum of the left. I could be wrong. What do you think?

[Ben Weingarten]

Think there's. First of all, I shared your sentiments when Obamacare was rammed through roughshod over the will of the American people. I felt that the country had fundamentally changed that day, which is, of course What Barack Obama wanted with his, quote, unquote, signature piece of legislation. And Here we are 15 years later dealing with, with Democrats. Talk about a crisis in health care. The crisis in health care is and was Obamacare. And they want to throw more good money after bad by building up these bigger and better subsidies for years to come. And ultimately it is unsustainable. It's going to crash. It's going to be disastrous for the health and well being of the American people. And so this is an opportunity here. Now you've got to factor in the politics of the midterm elections and how does that all factor into what is to come? But the bottom line is that to the extent that the Republican Party and led by the Trump administration can push for a more patient centered, which of course means more free market oriented health care system where we pay for health care just like we do for every other good or service that would take power out of the hands of these big concentrated power centers, including the massive and heavily regulated. And I think they enjoy being heavily regulated because they get all the benefits from it. Health insurance companies. And we can actually have something approximating a free market healthcare system that will be the envy of the world and will provide for the American.

[Rob Carson]

Well, they're going to have to compete with each other.

[Ben Weingarten]

It's a massive opportunity and they're going.

[Rob Carson]

To have to compete with each other. And it's about damn time. Because we clearly see that by just paying the insurance companies, their stocks have gone up 1,000%, premiums have gone up, up 400%. You know, I went to get insurance for myself now that I'm divorced, unfortunately, $900 a month so means about $12,000 a year for me with a $7,000 deductible. It's like buying a liability insurance for your car.

[Ben Weingarten]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Rob Carson]

It's stupid.

[Ben Weingarten]

It's absolutely crazy. Why shouldn't we be able to pay for the services that we need when we need it? You have catastrophic coverage and you should be able to see the actual price of what you're paying for on a menu.

[Rob Carson]

Amen, brother.

[Ben Weingarten]

System that we have today that built.

[Rob Carson]

Ben, great to talk to you, bro. Where can people find all of your glorious work, man?

[Ben Weingarten]

Yep, you can find me on Xhwingarten and via my [e-mail] all right, bro.

[Rob Carson]

We'Ll talk again soon. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Ooh, I like this song called Imani Coppola did this song about 1998, and it's called Legend of the Cowgirl. It's a really good song. It was one hit wonder for her, unfortunately. Imani Coppola. I want to play something before I depart today, and I wanted to say, so this isn't it. I'm not being paid to do this, Okay? I haven't slept well for two years. Years. I get up every night at 2, 4, 6. Finally, at about 6, I just say, screw it, I'm up. I write substack. I do show prep. And I got this stuff called Beams Dream Powder. And I had it in a. In just a glass of milk. And it said it was this chocolate flavored, a brownie batter flavor. And it's really good. So two nights ago I tried it. Slept pretty good. Last night I did it before bed. And I. And I was watching this, by the way, Frankenstein on Netflix is freaking fantastic treatment, original treatment of the Frankenstein story. Boom. And I'm wide awake and I'm watching, I'm watching, I'm watching. And all of a sudden I go. And I wake up and I'm half an hour later and I turn off the light. And for the first time in two years, sunlight woke me up. I looked at the clock thinking, it's two o', clock, four o'. Clock. And it was the light from my computer. No, no, it was the light coming through the shades at seven. That's. And it's not a paid endorsement. I just want. I tried it. Beams Dream Powder. That's all I'll tell you right now. Because like I said, they aren't. You know, this is an official endorsement, but it worked. This is Jack Osborne and the Osborne family talking about what Donald Trump did after Ozzy died. I mean, should we. Should we play the voicemail? Yeah. Not saying who it's from. Everyone. Everyone will know.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Hi, Sharon, it's Donald Trump. And I just wanted to wish you the best and the family you have great. Ozzy was amazing. He was an amazing guy. I met him a few times, and I want to tell you he was unique in every way and talented. So I just wanted to wish you the best. And it's a tough thing. I know how close you were and whatever I can do. Take care of yourself. Say hello to the family. Thanks. Bye.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Ben Weingarten]

Love him or hate him, he didn't have to call and leave a voicemail.

[News Reporter]

Listen.

[Alan Dershowitz]

When it comes to politics, we.

[News Reporter]

Know nobody comes out a winner.

[Rob Carson]

That is the Osbourne family. When I came home from my mother's funeral, the following Monday, there was an email from Donald Trump in my. In my email box. He just watches my show on Newsmax. It was a personal email. He knew my mother's name. It was a personal email from him. And I'm nothing compared to Ozzy Osborne. That he would take that time is pretty remarkable. So if you hate him, I don't care. There you go. He's a good and decent man. He's doing a great job for the country. And the left is doing a death spiral into health. There you go. I had fun today. Did you have fun today? My God in heaven, what a show. Hey, have a glorious day. By the grace of God, tomorrow is finally Friday. God bless you, Donald Trump. The country is founded. And until tomorrow, do not catch the stupid. See ya. Hey, new to TikTok. Here's a gift just for you. Join TikTok today and claim your $20 no minimum spend voucher completely free. Simply download the TikTok app, search for get tick that's G E t T I k and your voucher will be ready to use right away. Spend it freely on TikTok shop fashion, gadgets, beauty and more. Don't waste. Wait. Download TikTok today and grab your $20 voucher now.