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You are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the world wide web. This is the Rob Carson show. This is the Rob Carson show, hour number three. Took Friday off to go to Philadelphia and we're back on the air today. And this has been really very hard. You know, I do a comedy show on television and I taped my show Rob Carson's what in the World. Before Charlie had been murdered, Charlie Kirk had been assassinated. Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Charlie Kirk is no more. Because of an assassin's bullet. This is as big or bigger than Robert Kennedy being assassinated, than Bobby Kennedy being assassinated. It is. Don't even bother, don't even, don't even bother trying to equivocate. He was a political candidate. He was an office holder. Charlie Kirk was a worldwide movement. A worldwide movement. Millions of people getting together around the world in places like London to celebrate Charlie Kirk's life and a spiritual rebirth like I've never seen. And I experienced it at a congress hall which was open to me and 85 other people, 86 people were allowed in to congress hall Friday night to talk about the Aitken Bible. I'll just mention this again for those of you who aren't listening. Earlier, the Aitken Bible came around because a gentleman with the last name Aitken, he. He realized that there was an embargo. Not only just an embargo of goods, but a spiritual embargo by King George against the colonists. And King George, there was an embargo all goods into the United States from England. And then he also said, and you cannot print the Bible in the United States. You cannot print it. And so this gentleman said, well, screw you, Georgie, I'm printing the Bible. And he started printing the Bible. And Friday was officially named the day of the Bible in the state of Pennsylvania. And they want to have a day of the Bible made national Made national. And the most. It was interesting because we had a bunch of speakers there and some amazing thoughts on the Bible. And I've never been a Bible thumper. Okay. I've never been a evangelical. Not trying to be an evangelical, but you know, that I believe from the bottom of my. The depths of my soul there's a reason why here there was a creator, obviously. Obviously. Obviously obvious. It's intellectually lazy to just say there's no God. Why is there Math? Why does H2O water? Why is it the same way 15 billion light years from here? Okay, yeah, sure. If it's chaos, why is there even water? Please. You are intellectually lazy if you do not believe in God. There you go. And I'll debate religion and philosophy for you all day, because like I said, it's easy to deny, but I was there, and it was made incredibly meaningful and powerful by the death of Charlie Kirk. And you know what else? At this Bible event at Congress hall, where 86 of us set, because there were 86 original assembly members there, only 86 were allowed to be at the vet. We sat in the chairs. We sat at the desks where they wrote the Constitution. We sat. There was such an honor. I have no. Oh, my God in heaven. I've never had such an honor. I can't believe I'm here. And you're here, by the way. I know you are. You're here. But you know who the most powerful speakers were of the night? One of the most powerful was the rabbi who wrapped up the session. The rabbi who wrapped up the session. There were Jews there talking about the Bible and how it is the word of God. It was remarkable. It was remarkable. And you know that I've said there is a spiritual awakening happening around the world. And. And if you listen to the show, you know, I predicted this with the. The left throwing all of the evil they could at Donald Trump, including trying to kill him twice, put him in jail, take him off the ballot. 97% negative press coverage, calling him a Nazi, calling him this, calling him that. He's the only person in history right now who could have survived. He's the only person who could have survived. Bolsonaro's in jail. They're doing the same thing to Bolsonaro in Brazil that they would have done to Donald Trump. It's a carbon copy. Don't believe me. I don't even care. It should be so freaking obvious. You can't stand it. But Donald Trump was the only person to do it. And when he raised his fist to the sky for the first time in history, his hand to heaven and said, fight, fight, fight. That's when I knew this was not political. This is not political. This is spiritual. This is spiritual. And if you're down with all of the things that the left is, like mutilating children so they can become the other gender, you are on the wrong side of history. You are on the side of hell. I don't even care. I don't even care if you want to debate it. You are on the wrong side of hell. This has happened before when a leader was assassinated because they thought they could silence him, and his movement ended up lasting and growing bigger than they could have ever imagined, including one person who was murdered by Romans 2000 years ago. Charlie Kirk isn't Jesus. I didn't say he was. And the left, now, they know they've bitten off more than they could chew. And now they know that this is a spiritual battle. And I think maybe some of them, their faces are growing pale and their extremities cold at the thought that, oh, my God, what have we done? I hope that has happened. I hope that has happened. But there are people who are still denying it, still ignorant, still saying, oh, yeah, it comes from the right and the left. When overwhelming evidence shows that exclusively coming from the left the last decade, all of the damage, the destruction, the censorship, the murder is on the left and the Democrat Party, and they've used the language of war to create one. This is Tim Burchette on CNN being told, oh, you know, maybe that's on both sides. You know, maybe the right's just as guilty as the left, and he would have none of it. Well, what do you all do with it? You keep putting it out. If you all truly wanted this to. To change in the media at CNN and other places, your editorial board would.
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Say, we're not gonna.
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We're not gonna put this stuff out. But yet you continue to put it out, and that continues to stir.
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Stir the base, man. We had a hearing last week on you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm creating a conversation, and I've been.
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My te. No, you've been saying, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist, fascist, fascist. Donald Trump is a criminal. Donald Trump is a racist. Dear God, give me a fricking break. It's not going to change because you're interviewing Tim Burchette today. We all know it. And guess what? There's no debating it, because we know here. I'll give you. I'll give you another example. Here you go. Did you Hear any of this from Republicans? Did you hear any of this from Christians? Especially in the earliest days of Nazi Germany. Are the dangers that we need to react to now?
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I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to wait until the jackboots are marching down the street and the.
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Brown shirts come rolling out?
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Our kids get enrolled in Trump Youth.
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Modern day Dyskapo is keeping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. We're talking about the death of a constitutional republic.
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That's what happened in Germany.
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1933, 1934.
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That Maga had. That MAGA symbol has come to represent something. It is the new Nazi symbol. It is the new.
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No, it never was. It never was, you sons of bees. It never was. And you know it could.
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We'd be looking at a time in Nazi Germany where people ran around with signs, like this new ice sign you look back at.
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Yeah, you. You bastard. You did this, man. When I went up to Philadelphia, I stood in front of Independence hall for the very first time. I went in Independence Hall. Holy hell. I waited my whole life. I stood at the Liberty Bell. I stood at the Liberty Bell. I took a picture of Independence hall behind the Liberty Bell. By the way, the Liberty Bell is smaller than I thought it would be. It's a lot smaller than I thought I thought it was. Much bigger. It's not tiny, but it's not as big as I thought it was. And I remember Joe Biden claiming it for the left. He stood in front of it out of no good reason, for no good reason. He just went to Philadelphia to paint the damn thing red and say that we were MAGA fascists and enemies of democracy. And now that Charlie Kirk is dead, and now they tried to kill Donald Trump and they. They only blame. They blame Donald Trump for his own assassination. It was his rhetoric. You sons of bees. I swear to God in heaven, you filthy, rotten. You. You are going to just pay for this. In this life and the next. For what you have done. You have no idea what you've done. You have no idea. And, you know, it's like. It's like, you know, when. When. When those who threw rocks and those who. Who laughed at Noah, when the rain started to fall and then they started pounding on the door, well, that's going to happen. That's going. You have bedded down with evil. You have bedded down with violence. You have shouted those same talking points. You have gone on social media and done all this, and now that Charlie Kirk, a giant intellect, a giant in the, in the faith community, who was, who was not only on his ascension, he had already, he had already surpassed so many who we thought, I would venture to say even Rush Limbaugh. I know that it sounds strange to say that I, you know, I've started with Rush Limbaugh, but I do believe when you look at what Charlie did for faith and you did what he did internationally with tpusa and what he did with, with, with young people, it was astounding what he did. And he combined it with faith, a faith message. It was, it was astounding. And, and it didn't end. And, and, you know, this. It was so big. It was so big already. And it was growing at a, at a, at a, at a very fast pace. It was growing. It really was. And he was doing these rallies, but murdering him just blew it up bigger than we could have ever imagined. And while we mourn Charlie Kirk, even Nancy Pelosi knows, oh, this time we really did it. They do. And they're going to try, and they're going to, you know, try to cover it up, and they're going to try and say, oh, no, it's from both sides. And they're going to say, oh, you know, let's, let's do this. And we've got to tone it down and we've got to do this. No, no, no, no, no. You've already done it. You're done. You're. You're done. There's no. I don't want an olive branch for you. I will smack it out of your hand. I'm done. I'm done with antifa. I'm done with this, this nonsense. I've done with not being able to say, you know, my political affiliation or having to speak in whispers about my conservatism. Those days are over. Those days are over. You have more than awakened a sleeping giant. I mean, that's a cliche. It's much bigger than that because you have accelerated what was already happening and you made it go from, from a good pace. This, this, this reawakening of faith and patriotism and freedom around the world, and you have just made it go light speed con. It backfired on you big time. Big time. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.
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Every one of you, you are, you're.
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Complicit in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump twice.
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You. You bear.
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Just be quiet. You are responsible for this because you are a. You are echoing the Horri Horrible political, violent rhetoric that's being produced by the Democrat Party. That is Representative Derek Van Orden talking to the media about their complicity. And MSNBC is a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party. They're not journalistic endeavor whatsoever. And, and they're going to have to be held accountable for the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the inflammation of the hatred of the left and, and taking advantages of the insanity of some individuals to, to, to cause them to do something and then of course, washing their hands of it. That's what they did with Donald Trump's assassination. They worked some people into a lather about Donald Trump being a Nazi and a fascist. And then they had two people who were already on the federal radar were basically given the opportunity and the vantage point to kill Donald Trump. They did it. They did it. Both of them were on the federal radar. Just like Lee Harvey Oswald was on the federal radar. Five years he was on four years he was on the federal radar and they allowed him to get in the most prone position to kill jfk. They were going to do the same thing with Donald Trump and it didn't work out so well, did it? But the media is culpable with all of the hate speech and all of the nonsense, 98% negative coverage against Trump. Parroting things like Donald Trump as a Nazi, you know, parroting things about Charlie Kirk being anti Semite, being this, you know, anti trans hater, whatever the hell they've called him, everything, even though he's a peaceful man who actually went on campus to debate, which by the way, nobody in the Democrat party does. Bernie Sanders never does. None of them, by the way. I went to, went to Philadelphia over the weekend and stood in front of Independence hall and was talking about, you know, how many years we've been here and our currency has gone up and down. But, but gold has always had value, always had significant value. And, and gold is, we were entering a gold era as far as gold is concerned. A golden area era for gold. Because the price of gold has reached unbelievable levels. I don't know of a time that has been historically more big than it's been the last four. The last year, 45% increase since last year, 32% increase in value this year. But gold is on a roll. And if you want to get on the train with gold, you might want to get in touch with Birch Gold. Birch Gold is the company that I choose right now. If you're a first time gold buyer, Birch offering a rebate of up to $10,000 in free metals. On qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, request a Gold info kit. Text my name, Rob to 989-898. That's Rob 298-9898. Birch can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into gold and you're still eligible for a rebate and free metals up to $10,000. It's time to make that change. Birch Gold is the only precious metals company I trust, as do tens of thousands of their customers. Text my name Rob to 989-898. And again, if you're a first time Gold up to $10,000 rebate is coming for you. If you convert to gold with Birch Gold by the end of this month. This month, by the way, October 4th, I've been invited. We're still working on this. One of my radio stations W GMD in Rehoboth. We're going to do a live broadcast on 4 October with the radio station. And if you're on the east coast, you might consider as this develops, coming out, there's a big event in Rehoboth, kind of like I guess the beginning of fall, the end of summer, Wings and Wheel event. And it looks like I'm going to do a live broadcast there. So it'll be my first opportunity to broadcast live from Hoboth. We did the inauguration party back in January was gigantic. We expected 100 people. We had to close it out at 350 people paying to see me. I know it's crazy, but we are going to be doing something end of October and as I learn more about it, the more that I will share with you. I do want to mention that Donald Trump, the Democrat party, is so morally and intellectually bankrupt. And listen there, I haven't spent a lot of time on the negative people on the media and the deniers and I haven't played any of the hate speech against Charlie Kirk because none of it matters. There's such a small minority of people, they're going to, they're going to be crushed, crushed, crushed out of existence. They're going to. So I'm not going to spend a lot of time on them, only going after them. But I'm not going to play their audio. I'm not going to play their nonsense anymore. Msnbc, cnn, all of that. Have you noticed all of, all of the video coming from people who don't work at those networks anymore and you know, Joy Reid or Don Lemon or whatever, all of them, all of them now are no influence at all. So I'm not going to spend a lot of time on cnn, MSNBC and their nonsense today and their attempt to say, hey, you know, it's both sides. You're already done. You're already, your influence is over. And this, this assassination of Charlie Kirk, you really sealed the deal. You really sealed the deal of your, of your, any type of influence over the media. And you had better just kind of sit back because you're going to get rolled over. You're going to get rolled over in such a gigantic way. But Donald Trump and other things that he did was he made Washington D.C. safe. I went into Union Station. I rode the train for the very first time in my life Friday, and then back on Saturday. The new Acela. The new Acela, the new clean, awesome. A little bit faster. It's not much faster, but it's really cool. Dining car, the whole deal. Really comfortable seating. I'm unbelievable. It was fantastic. It was fantastic. I talked to so many people, talked to the guys in serving food, talked to the people, the conductors, talked to everybody on that train. I got to talk to everybody. It was spectacular riding that train. It was marvelous. But I did, I talked to a lot of people on the train up there, and I talked to a lot of people at Congress hall, near Independence hall. And there is something, there's something big happening and it's going to be for the better. It's going to be for the, for the absolute better. But, but, but Donald Trump cleaned up the Union Station. It's cleaner than I've ever seen. It was magnificent, absolutely magnificent. I mean, it was just perfect. It was beautiful. I went into a chocolate shop, then I went to another store. It was, there was no problem. There was, there were National Guard there that the Democrat Party is trying to screech about. Oh, my God. Donald Trump now wants to go after Memphis and Michael Steele, who sold his soul to msnbc. Michael Steele used to be the GOP chairman of the rnc. Michael Steele sold his soul to work at msnbc. Here's what he has said about going to Memphis to fix the 60 year broken city. And if it was beyond our capacity, sir, then maybe we would call for federal help. But so I don't understand. It is beyond your capacity because of the body count and the fact that you're number one in murders in the country. YAMORA but what's different? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Memphis is a largely black municipality. Yeah. And in inner city black communities, the murder rate is 10 times the national average. MICHAEL. So, I mean, if you really want to go there. Actually, we're just going there because of the, the murder rate, not because it's black on black, but we want to say black lives. Michael Steele, how much was your soul to work at msnbc? You are such a broken and awful human being. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hi, it's Tony Marino, host of the super popular Newsmax Daily podcast. A rundown of the day's top headlines and top highlights of Newsmax shows and interviews you may have missed. Plus some sports, stock markets and even some yucks all packed into about 20 minutes. Search for the Newsmax Daily with me, Tony Marino on your favorite podcast platform and check out our entire lineup of great podcasts, including Greg Kelly, Rob Carson and Jerry Callahan@Newsmax.com Listen. Robinson apparently spent too much time online. His shell casings had Internet slang and he dressed up as memes for Halloween. Robinson spent hours and hours alone staring at a screen. A Christian kid in a conservative household raised by a loving mom and daddy, which doesn't mean that the right was the cause of this. The left polluted his mind. The leftist media and the Democrat Party in Utah. Not surrounded by radical leftists, but gets radicalized into fighting fascists online. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
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Yes, I do. Fascism isn't just coming. It's already here.
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This is what kicking the out of fascism looks like.
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Donald Trump is a fascist.
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Trump is a fascist dictator. As a fascist dictator, fascist chaos, fascist regime. Look, are they a threat to democracy? Yes.
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Are they going to take our rights away?
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Yes.
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Are they going to put people's lives in danger?
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Yes.
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Are they going to endanger the planet by not dealing?
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There's no doubt. It all came from the left. There's all, there's no doubt the reason why this happened was because of the nonsense of the left, the things that they have fomented the last few years. They did it on purpose. It wasn't an accident. It was all by design. Design. And now they're trying to run away from it because Charlie Kirk has been murdered. That's basically it right there. And then there's this leftist, this, this nonsense. Now we, we, we know that the transgendered movement. By the way, we're waiting for Jonathan Gilliam. Well, we got him. We got him. We got him. Jonathan Gilliam, former FBI special agent, joining us on the Newsmax hotline. Jonathan, welcome to the show. Pleasure to have you on the show today. Thank you for joining us.
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Good to be with you.
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As well, hey, man, I know you've been really busy seeing you all over the last few days. So we know that the shooter was echoing some of the same sentiment that the Catholic school shooter had expressed that had been espoused by violent, either assassins or people who have fomented riots and whatnot. The left is now saying, oh, no, no. It comes from both sides. What do you have to say to those on the media who, by the way, I know, know in their hearts that they've bitten off more than they can chew, that they caused this, but now they're trying to morally equivocate? What do you have to say to them?
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Well, listen, you're exactly right, but what I hope happens is that. That the people just like Cracker Barrel. Cracker. What happened with Cracker Barrel is a perfect example of what has to happen now. People need to continue to push against the left and point out when media does this, because we have to remember media, left wing media, owns the majority of the airwaves. And they're going to just like with this individual who's his. Who's a shooter's roommate is transitioning. Trans. Transgender guy.
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Yeah.
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And. But all the news agencies want to say, just say his roommate. They will not mention.
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I heard that today.
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Transgender. Yeah.
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So I heard that today.
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They do that because they're trying. They're controlling the narrative. And I think that it's only going to go so far. How many of these types of attacks do we have to have before it just gets so unbelievable? Everybody's like msnbc, you know, and I. And I think we're getting close to that.
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Oh, I think we're. I think we're there. I mentioned the day after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And by the way, I still saying that still seems surreal to me to say that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. It is. It is remarkable. And I don't even think we've begun to digest the profundity of this. I really don't. Jonathan, We. We're right now in the throes of grief, and when we're seeing shades of a gigantic movement toward good. A spiritual revival around the world, brother, I think that they. They actually accelerated to light speed. The movement that Charlie Kirk was making happen, they made it happen a lot faster. Do you agree?
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I hope. I can't say that. Yes, I agree. But what I hope is that people. I always say the left is the enemy, but the right is the problem. Because I was just having this conversation. We feel like getting on X and arguing or going to a rally is going to fix everything. And it's just, it's not going to fix it. We need to show that we have the power to stand against the left. And, and in a way, Charlie Kirk was doing that. But here's what they keep, here's another narrative they keep spewing. Yeah, Charlie Kirk, the right wing activist. Charlie Kirk was a civilian who had the ability to push his opinion out. And everybody else has to go on X on social media and he was killed for that. So everybody better realize if when they go on X and all these social media platforms and they spew their political opinion, they're going to be considered a political activist if something happens. So we're civilians, he was a civilian and he was murdered because of that. And that should be a wake up call to everybody and we should realize that we cannot continue to allow these things to happen with no response from the right. There has to be a response from the right.
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What should the response be? Because I gotta tell you, I think a, that all of this talk using words like Nazi and fascist, all of that has to end. We have to tell the Democrat Party that has to end. Now. We already had like Jasmine Crockett saying that she felt like ICE was like slave patrols. Like she even knows what the hell she's talking. She has no grasp of history cuz she's not an intelligence person. But what do we do next? Because this is it. I mean it's obvious where it came from. What do we do? What do you think that we need to do in response to this, to end this nonsense?
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Jonathan Gilliam well, we need, first of all, I go in and turn the television on and what do I see? Or I go on social media. I see massive protests all over the world. I haven't seen any massive protests here in the United States. And all these protests are holding up Charlie Kirk signs, they're holding up freedom of speech signs, stuff against the left and these radicals. I haven't seen that here. We have to do that. People have to be comfortable with getting outside and standing together and not just Kumbaya, standing up and saying we're not leaving until something changes and this needs to happen. And I tried to do this years ago and just get people to go to, when I lived in New York to the mayor's mansion there in Manhattan because of what they were starting to do with police. And no one showed up. No one. I was on national television every day of every week and still I couldn't get people to step out. And that's what has to happen. If we don't do this then, then our fight is only as far as as media will give us a voice and we have to take our voice and make it known.
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Well, I mentioned this weekend on social media and I just moved to Washington D.C. by the way, I have a studio in old Town Alexandria, a mile from the airport. And I said last night, where's the rally on Capitol Hill? Where's the rally with a million people in front of and extending down the mall? Let's do that. Somebody please let. We've got to do this because right now, literally just two weeks ago you had a couple thousand people. Of course they're bought and paid for by George Soros and others just coming out to protest Washington D.C. being a safe city again. They get thousands of leftists to complain about Donald Trump making D.C. safe again. Here we've got a real reason to show the entire frickin world to get a million people here and say enough is enough. We have the capability to do that. I think a lot of it has to do with us being beaten down, censored, shut down, called what we believe disinformation, misinformation. Jonathan, I'm sure you know what it's like to be demonetized or taken down from social media, right? That happened to you, right?
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Yeah, I went from a million views a night on, on my Facebook when I was doing just on Facebook, when I was doing podcast, I went from a million a night to about 1200 a night in an instant. And I was banned on YouTube from posting anything else. And you know what, what would cause it? Because I said David Hogg was a loudmouth kid and, and they said that I was being a bully. All of them, all the social media platforms all at once.
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Did you hear David Hogg this weekend kind of comparing like if he were martyred like Charlie Kirk. I'm like, honestly, seriously, I mean what an egotistical little, you know, to say such a thing, like he has any sway at all. He's bug smear on Charlie Clark Kirk's windshield. It was laughable.
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It's very. Listen, these are narcissistic, altruistic people who are empty inside and who are programmed by a movement. Let me just say this one thing for you in this is that.
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Can you hold that? Can you hold the thought till the next break? Is it possible? Because we have to take a break.
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Yeah.
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All right, bro, thank you. I appreciate you. I know we were a little late getting in here. Want to keep you on Jonathan Gilliam. More with him coming up on the Rob Carson Show. Elon Musk, though, posted on X quote, the left, left is the party of murder. We're hearing some of those same messages on Capitol Hill.
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Senator, do you believe this is the right message for this moment? I think is, I think what the head of the Oxford Union, the young man about to take over, is one of the greatest debating societies in the world. In Oxford, England, he said, charlie Kirk got shot.
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Less effing go.
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There is an effort by the radical.
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Left to dehumanize the MAGA movement. Yeah. And it's been going on for decades. It culminated in Donald Trump's political persecution and attempted assassination. Two people who were unhinged, already on the federal radar being allowed to get in the most prone position to kill Donald Trump. And this is what happens when you work people into a ladder. This is not foreign by any means. Jonathan Gilliam, U.S. navy SEAL, federal air marshal, security contractor, FBI special agents on the Newsmax hotline. Where did this come from, Jonathan? This was. This has been done before. Where did this come from?
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Well, you know, that's the right question to be asking, and it's the question that the FBI and the DOJ should be asking. And for that matter, all the intel agencies, just like President Trump has declared war on the cartels, I think he needs to declare war on the leftists that are subverting this nation. I was having a discussion with, with somebody from the FBI today, and they said, you know, how could you do that with freedom of speech? And I said, it's not freedom of speech, it's subversion. It's subversion. That's illegal. And if we can show, first of all, we have enough probable cause to start investigations on groups and on people that are connected to these groups.
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Antifa.
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Any of them. The group that's there, the queer Armed Queers for Salt Lake is Salt Lake City is the group that this guy suspected of being a part of. Of these groups. I would go out and say that these groups are connected like a pyramid scheme. They don't just get their dialogue and just put it out there on their own. All their dialogue is the same because it comes from the same place. And that's what needs to be investigated. And then they need to start taking these people down and the people that they're connected with and showing that they have an end. Listen, putting people in, in covert ways within their groups. If they show that they have a propensity for subversion and violence, then they should have undercover people in their sources in there figuring out they should have title three, listening going on to these groups. And I can guarantee if they did this then it would expand faster than anything else we've ever seen.
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Now let me ask you organized, but what about Antifa and I was talking earlier and Mike Benz on the show today. My God, what a lineup. I got you, I got Mike Benz. Holy hel. But I said how about declare Antifa a terrorist organization. They have their name on all of this violence. They had their name on all of the violence in Portland. Antifa members going to burn down the courthouse. Antifa has blood on their hands. Literally. They have billions of dollars in damage on their hands. Why can't we just make Antifa a terrorist organization like Trend Nicaragua? We can tie them to it, but Mike bids is like we got to be more surgical than that. But I think if you've got Antifa as a group, anyone affiliated with Antifa has to be suspect and the group has to be shut down. This isn't about freedom of speech. They've already committed acts of terror. What do you think?
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Right. I think that it basically comes down to this very simple thing. The DOJ and the FBI are set up for their stats driven. In other words, if it's not going to get somebody a stat, then they don't do it. And so they don't step outside the box. The bureau is reactive, not proactive. And it was one of the biggest gripes I had. It's one of the reasons why I left the FBI because I felt like, like it was too political and it was filled with people who just sit around and wait for something to happen. And this is a subversive group that is good at what they do. They are propped up by other nation states and, and they're funded. And it's not just billionaires that are fund them. These are whole. I believe that Cuba, Iran, yes, the thing, the Antifa thing, all of it comes back to the Red Green alliance, which is communism and fundamental Islam working together. And that's what we see. And basically, Rob, what it boils down to is people don't in the, in the federal government don't want to take a chance and do something that may or may not work out. So they just don't do it. That's really what it comes down to. They don't know how to think outside the box.
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You know, we need to do that rally, Jonathan. We need to do that rally. I, you know, I reach quite a few people and we're on the ascension. We're growing dramatically. We started streaming and I moved to Washington D.C. because I felt like I had to be here. Jonathan. I've lived here for six weeks and I've been in the White House and I've been in the Independence hall and all of these things. And I. And something big is happening here. But we've got to figure out a way to get. Get a rally like this. A million people on the mall for Charlie Kirk. And I know this weekend is his funeral. They're going to be doing it in Phoenix. We need something right here. You know, you probably know more people than I do. Maybe we need to sow the seeds of doing something like that in Washington D.C. we need a memorial service as big as Phoenix in Washington dc. Would you agree?
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B
I totally agree, but I would go even further. It can't just be something that happens now. Like we need to be like this when something isn't happening. Like the week, the week before Charlie Kirk got murdered, right? Where were we? Why. Why weren't we stepping out? That girl that got murdered in North Carolina, she got murdered because the leftist court system let this guy out 14 times and then he goes and murders this woman. The judges that have blocked President Trump from making this country what it should be are all leftists. Why aren't the people stepping out against that? You know, it goes on and on and I'm telling you, it can't just. We can't just do this because Charlie Kirk was martyred. We have to be able to go out there and organize and realize that it's not even just so our kids can have a better country. We are the ones who are actually going to be oppressed and are being oppressed. We're the ones who should be stepping out right now.
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We gotta make it happen. We gotta make it happen. Jonathan Gilliam. Thanks, bro, for your time today. I really mean this. I'm an admirer of yours. It's a real honor to have you on. We're gonna get the studio going here so we can do long form video podcasts here that'll be seen all over Newsmax Social and elsewhere. And I would love to have you in there. Jonathan, will you tell everybody where people could find all of your work? Go ahead.
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B
They can just look for Jonathan Gilliam and you can go to jonathantgilliam.com but if you go on social media and you look at my name and see my beard, you'll know it.
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A
You're everywhere, brother. I know, man. All right, bro. God bless you. God bless America. I do believe we're at a turning. We're not at a turning point. We're at the turning point, Jonathan. I really believe that in my heart and soul, bro. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show. It's the Rob Carson show. Wow, what a show, huh? Jonathan Gilliam and Mike Ben's on the show today. If you want to listen to the podcast, subscribe to the podcast. I just have a feeling things are going to start growing at an astronomical rate on this radio program. I can feel it in my heart and soul. I met so many people in the White House and the other night when I went out and I met Nigel Farage and when I went to Philadelphia, I met so many people who listened to the show. And it's growing. And, you know, we're on about 30 stations nationwide. Glorious stations. And we thank you so much for, for being there. Wcbm, wgmd, KBQ in Albuquerque, Benny Media in New Hampshire, W CBM in Baltimore. And it is amazing. And then the stream, the stream is reaching so many people and it's growing by leaps and bounds. And now I know why I am here. I know why I'm here. I know why we are here. And it's beginning to crystallize. And this movement towards good is going to be unstoppable. It really is. Believe it from the heart. Bottom of my soul. We're going to formulate a game plan and what we need to do. And we got to get a big rally going in Washington, D.C. and I will be down there. You know, I don't hold as much sway as people like Ben Shapiro and whatnot. I don't have the audience yet that they do, but we need to do something. We need to be seen, we need to be heard. We need to say enough is enough. Turn this back. By the way, Burt's Gold for first time gold buyers, up to $10,000 rebate if you qualify. But you got to get signed up until September 30th if you're a first buyer. Birch Gold offering a rebate of up to $10,000 in free metals. But you got to request a kit. Just text my name. Rob to 989-898. Rob to 989898. You can roll that existing IRA or 401K, which if you would have done this last year, it'd be worth 45% more. That's how much gold has gone up. Get that tax done today, okay? Till the end of the month. Up to $10,000 when you buy gold. Up to $10,000 in precious metals. Possible rob to 989-898-Rob to 989- download the podcast subscribe to the podcast no matter what the podcast platform is Spotify, subscribe, hit the little bell, do whatever, share with others Today's show because this is growing. It's catching fire and it is a movement for good. It's happening. This is happening in the world. And Charlie Kirk's assassination has just accelerated it. God bless you, America's founder, Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk and his family. And until tomorrow, I'll just say God bless. God bless you. Let's fight together. Olivia loves a challenge. It's why she lifts heavy weights and likes complicated recipes. But for booking her trip to Paris, Olivia chose the easy way With Expedia, she bundled her flight with a hotel to save more. Of course, she still climbed all 674 steps to the top of the the Eiffel Tower. You were made to take the easy route. We were made to easily package your trip. Expedia made to travel flight inclusive packages are atoll protected.