The Rob Carson Show — Ex-FBI Agent: Media and Left Are Complicit in Charlie Kirk’s Murder

Date: September 15, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Featured Guest: Jonathan Gilliam (Former FBI Agent)

Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode of The Rob Carson Show addresses the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Carson delivers a blend of raw commentary, personal reflection, and pointed accusation, framing Kirk’s killing as a watershed moment in American politics and a trigger for a broader "spiritual awakening." A key segment features former FBI agent Jonathan Gilliam, who critiques both the media and law enforcement’s role in political violence. Throughout, Carson argues that the media and left-wing rhetoric are complicit in fostering a climate that led to Kirk’s death, calling for direct conservative activism in response.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Impact of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination

• Carson opens with deep personal reflection on Kirk, describing him as not just a political leader but as a global movement builder whose death has parallels to historical political martyrs.
  • Memorable Quote:
    “Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Charlie Kirk is no more. Because of an assassin's bullet. This is as big or bigger than Robert Kennedy being assassinated... He was a worldwide movement.” (03:00)
• Carson draws spiritual and religious comparisons, emphasizing a sense of awakening catalyzed by Kirk’s death:
  • “This is not political. This is spiritual.” (05:20)

2. Media and Left-Wing Rhetoric as Catalysts

• Rob Carson asserts that the mainstream media and Democratic Party have stoked violent sentiment with relentless labeling ("Nazi," "fascist," etc.), creating a dangerous climate:
  • “You've been saying Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist, fascist, fascist. Donald Trump is a criminal. Donald Trump is a racist. Dear God, give me a fricking break.” (07:48)
• Carson calls out specific media outlets and personalities as bearers of responsibility:
  • “MSNBC is a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party... going to have to be held accountable for the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the inflammation of the hatred of the left.” (12:36)

3. The Call for Conservative Action

• The episode repeatedly calls for a large-scale conservative response and mass mobilization (e.g., rallies, protests on Capitol Hill):
  • “We have to do that. People have to be comfortable with getting outside and standing together and not just Kumbaya, standing up and saying we're not leaving until something changes and this needs to happen.” (Interview, 26:47–27:58)

4. Interview with Ex-FBI Agent Jonathan Gilliam

• Gilliam strongly agrees with Carson that media and the left have incited violence and are now attempting "moral equivocation."
  • Gilliam: “People need to continue to push against the left and point out when media does this... media, left wing media, owns the majority of the airwaves.” (23:06)
• Gilliam urges substantive conservative action, not just online debate or passive outrage:
  • “We need to show that we have the power to stand against the left... there has to be a response from the right.” (24:52)
• On the narrative control of sensitive issues:
  • “They [media] will not mention... transgender. They do that because they're controlling the narrative.” (23:46)
• On government and law enforcement:
  • “The bureau is reactive, not proactive... it was too political and it was filled with people who just sit around and wait for something to happen.” (33:49)
• Advocates for a more aggressive stance from federal agencies, including treating certain groups as subversive or terroristic if evidence supports it.

5. Broader Political and Cultural Context

• Carson frames the assassination as a symptom of a deeper cultural struggle:
  • Repeatedly likens current events to major spiritual and societal turning points.
  • Argues that faith, patriotism, and traditional values are under siege.
• The rhetoric is unapologetically combative, with Carson refusing olive branches or calls for de-escalation until accountability is had:
  • “No, no, no, no, no. You've already done it. You're done. You're. You're done. There's no. I don't want an olive branch for you. I will smack it out of your hand. I'm done.” (11:42)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob Carson (03:00):
  “Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Charlie Kirk is no more. Because of an assassin's bullet. This is as big or bigger than Robert Kennedy being assassinated, than Bobby Kennedy being assassinated. It is. Don't even bother, don't even, don't even bother trying to equivocate.”
• Rob Carson (12:33):
  “Every one of you, you are, you're complicit in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump twice.”
• Jonathan Gilliam (23:06):
  “People need to continue to push against the left and point out when media does this, because we have to remember media, left wing media, owns the majority of the airwaves.”
• Rob Carson (24:05):
  “I mentioned the day after Charlie Kirk was assassinated... I still saying that still seems surreal to me.”
• Jonathan Gilliam (27:58):
  “If we don't do this then, then our fight is only as far as as media will give us a voice and we have to take our voice and make it known.”
• Rob Carson (35:41):
  “We've got to figure out a way to get a rally like this. A million people on the mall for Charlie Kirk... We need a memorial service as big as Phoenix in Washington DC.”

Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:34–05:30
  Carson reflects on Charlie Kirk’s legacy and assassination, broader cultural implications.
• 07:30–09:15
  Discussion of left-wing rhetoric, media complicity, and personal experience in Philadelphia.
• 12:29–13:30
  Direct accusation of media complicity, linking mainstream outlets to political violence.
• 22:29–37:03
  Interview with Jonathan Gilliam
  • Rhetoric’s influence on violence (22:29–24:52)
  • Conservative action and need for public rally (24:52–29:31)
  • Challenges for law enforcement and media narrative control (31:27–33:49)
  • Mobilization strategies moving forward (33:49–36:53)

Overall Tone & Takeaways

• The episode embodies Carson’s signature blend of humor, outrage, and directness, but is notably somber and urgent in its assessment of current events.
• Both Carson and Gilliam present the moment as historically significant, framing Kirk’s assassination as a catalyst for conservative and faith-based resurgence.
• There is a clear refusal to temper language or calls for action; the show repeatedly demands a robust, public conservative response, both as memorial and resistance.
• The interview with Jonathan Gilliam serves as the episode’s analytical heart—moving from diagnosis of problems (media, government inaction) to a prescription (mass mobilization, treating subversive groups seriously, and reform within law enforcement).

Call to Action

• Carson closes by urging listeners to organize, rally, and push back visibly and vocally, evoking a sense of urgency:
  • “We need to be seen, we need to be heard. We need to say enough is enough. Turn this back...” (End)

This summary captures the driving themes, spirit, and substance of the episode, providing references and quoted moments for listeners who wish to understand its message even if they missed the broadcast.