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Hold it. Now you are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show. It is the Rob Carson show on Election Day. And bomb threats at several locations in New Jersey causing the shutdown of several poll locations. I had mentioned that earlier in the show and then I'm seeing Breitbart. It says voting machines down in three red districts of New Jersey as election day heats up. So these are, these are not uncommon happenings for Republican districts. Lord knows it happened in Arizona in 2022. We will see. Scott Pressler reporting. The voting machines are down in three conservative districts in Cumberland County, New Jersey shenanigans abound. But not to be deterred, we will see Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Colvett said that. By the way, Eric Doherty Election machines have gone down in multiple locations across Cumberland County, New Jersey where Republicans are outperforming their 2024 turnout by double digits. So we will see. It wouldn't surprise me that they're trying to cheat because this is what they do. This is what the Democrat Party does because they are losing. They're in a death spiral to hell. Their policies are failing. They have done their level best to flood the country with illegals and load them up with benefits so they'll vote Democrat. This is why Democrat states don't want to have IDs to vote and they never investigate voter fraud because they don't want to find voter fraud. But I don't think it's going to work much longer. I don't think it's going to work much longer. President Donald Trump the United States Citizen and Immigration Services is streamlining the government's systematic alien verification for entitlements, the SAVE program in hopes of eliminating non citizen voting from elections. That would really hurt the Democrats because this is how they've relied on winning elections for so long. USCIS Director John Edlow announced upgrades to the same program allow states to verify that only American citizens are voting in federal elections. Maybe this is why all the Democrats are trying to keep ICE agents out of out of their states and stuff. Yeah, that's exactly why. That's 1000%. Why? Previously when verifying voter eligibility, states would have to input all nine digits of a voters registrant Social Security number. Now thanks to the agencies reform, states will only require to use the last four digits of registered Social Security number. By allowing states to efficiently verify voter eligibility, we are reinforcing the principle that American elections are reserved exclusively for American citizens. Imagine that. Can you just imagine? Isn't that just crazy? It's just crazy. Crazy. That's just a good idea, I think, because, you know, I live here and I was born here and people who come here and spend years and years and years waiting to become American citizens and busting their butts and assimilating and loving the country and not waving Somalian flags and saying how great Somalia is and doing their final message to voters in Arabic like Zoran Mandami did you see? Because we speak English in this country and you should learn English to speak. You're such a white supremacist. Supremacist. No, it's just the way it is. Because there are a couple things that bring us together. Citizenry and language. Citizenry and language. If you want to be a citizen of this country, if you want to be a part of this great experiment that made us the greatest country in the history of the world, the greatest engine of individual and economic liberty in the history of mankind, dragging the world out of the dark ages, then you need to learn to speak the language. You need to learn the assimilate and you need to not just be on the government dole. That's what the Democrat Party has done. They've expanded SNAP benefits by like 50% since Joe Biden, when Joe Biden was the president, to load up a bunch of people on free stuff so they'll vote for Democrats. Elon Musk said that yesterday. Check out the podcast if you don't believe me. The Democrat Party once again failed to pass or allow to pass the clean cr so the government can reopen and people can get fed and government employees can be, can be re employed, I should say be paid. They're working but they're not getting paid. And clearly it appears they're waiting for the election day. They want to, you know, inflict enough pain even through election day, even through the entire day and hope that Donald Trump is blamed for it. I don't think it's going to work. Byron Donalds was talking about how Donald Trump ought to nuke the filibuster and because Senate Democrats would rather still go down this socialist line of spending too much money, which is going to decrease purchasing power for the American people. This is why I agree with President Trump calling for an end to the filibuster. Because the filibuster does not promote debate in the Senate. What it does is it promotes obstruction in the Senate. Let's take, let's not even talk about the economy. Talk about the visas. Right now, HB1 visas, these are a scam on American workers. American workers have been displaced because of these HB1 visas. It needs to end. But are you going to get reforms to all the visa programs in the United States without being able to get it through the United States Senate? No, you will not. You need to be able to work with people who want to do the right thing on behalf of the American people. The Democrats have proven time and again they only want their radical agenda. And if they don't get their way, they're going to follow Chuck Schumer and just shut the government down. This is not working for the American people. That's why they're frustrated. They want cost down. They want opportunity. They want freedom. And you're not getting that with arcane rules in the United States Senate that don't allow the Senate to work and represent the will of the American people. Yeah, there you go. It's kind of funny because a radio station in, in New Mexico wanted to play up the sympathy for people on snap, and they found a woman who's on SNAP benefits, and she's been on them for 30 years.
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The first thing I did was grab.
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My phone and call, and when I heard $0, my chest went into my throat. Maggie Aragon has been a SNAP recipient for more than three decades. Even with these benefits, she says she also relies on food banks to get enough food.
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I have depended on those benefits since.
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The 1990s, and it's detrimental to my life. It's not a social safety net. It's a. It's meant there when you, when you can't support yourself. If I don't get them. There are more than 460,000 New Mexicans using SNAP benefits tonight, some of them telling us they don't have those right now. Friday, Governor Michelle Udhan Grisham announced $30 million in state funds would be used to supply Snap users starting November 1st. Yeah, they. The system has been abused, particularly the SNAP system. Also this health care for illegals. It's a giant slush fund to pay off illegal so they'll vote slavishly. A Democrat in states like California, again, refer to the show yesterday. And Elon Musk, he uncovered all of this stuff. David Hogg was on cnn. Scott Jennings was there. And David Hogg, who has zero life experience, he was on his bike on the way to school when a school shooting happened. And like Greta Thunberg became a, I guess a, an activist that we're all supposed to list to, even though they have no life experience at all and nothing to offer but some bumper stickers. But here is David Hogg trying to pin the shutdown on Republicans and Scott Jennings putting him in his corner.
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The entire reason the government is not open, right, Because Democrats refuse to be complicit in having millions of Americans, including 100,000 in Kentucky, your home state. If I'm, if I'm remembering correctly, Scott, that rely on aca, that would see their premiums rise several which you can deal with separately. It doesn't have to be. Those two things do not go together the way that they're doing this right now. They're combining both voting support. The budget still does it.
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Here comes Scott. If you trust me, it's going to happen.
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Keeping it closed doesn't fix the aca. The ACA needs to be reformed. Health care needs to be. This is a way.
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They failed at that last time. I thought it was going to be amazing. I thought ACA Obamacare was going to be amazing. Now it ended up being a giant, you know, piece of garbage.
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The whole thing with the bigger place, you had a trifecta, you tried this, you failed.
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They're still in the concept of a.
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Plan stage in terms of concept stage since 2000. David, you would admit that the ACA was a Democrat legislation and you would admit that the subsidies that we're talking about now were passed by Democrats. Yes. And you would admit that the sunset provision in the subsidies which comes up at the end of the year was in place because of Democrats. Yes. Now you want to make it a Republican problem. These are not the same issues.
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You could open the government today and.
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Then you could negotiate with them with Republicans about aca.
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And by the way, my suspicion is.
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And you know this, there are probably.
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And I know there are some House.
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Republicans that would love to negotiate on it, but under duress, under a hostage taking situation, connecting disconnected issues. And now you're throwing SNAP onto it.
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You're throwing all the federal workers who aren't being paid onto it, all because of this fight that you wandered into because of your wing of the Democratic Party.
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You all led to this SNAP crisis. You all led to this crisis of the government being closed and you don't.
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Know how to get out of it. Wow, that is a mic drop supreme there to junior who tried to take over the Democrat Party, kind of like Zoran Mandami, I guess is trying to do maybe not so successfully. This is a report out of, out of Houston where Bush Airport, George Bush Airport. There was because of the Democrat shutdown, the Schumer Shutdown. The flying experience, which, by the way, if you, if you fly commercial and ride in coach is hell anyway, is a whole lot worse. We're staying on top of those lines.
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At Houston's airports this morning. Bush Airport shut down TSA checkpoints in three of its terminals over the weekend because of the staffing issues stemming from the government shutdown. So let's take you for a live look inside. This is Bush Terminal E, where lines once again are out the front door. Fly to Houston tracks TSA wait times at Bush. The wait times just for the security checkpoint are expected to be at least 180 minutes right now.
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Two hours, three hours. Three hours, three hours waiting in line. So they'll take your toothpaste and shampoo, that is. Take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. The media and our friends in the Democrat Party kept saying we needed new legislation. We must have legislation to secure the border. But it turned out that all we really needed was a new president. Yeah, baby, we got a new president of. The Democrat Party is trying to do its level best to convince you that he's not doing a good job. And he's doing a great job. $18 trillion in new investment in the. In America. Barack Obama said that he didn't have. I don't have a magic wand. What we don't do to get manufacturing about here. And, and Donald Trump has been busting his arse from day one flying around the world, securing peace deals, bringing manufacturing to America. The Democrat Party does nothing but throw a temper tantrum and it's not going to work. Their lies won't cover up the truth. A little bit more on this coming up. I just did a webroot secure scan of my computer just to see, because I downloaded Webroot Total Protection a couple weeks ago and they scanned 91,991 files, 272 processes, and detected zero threats. That wasn't the case about a week ago when I was getting all sorts of these little, these little emails saying that, oh yeah, your, your payment information needs to be UPD for whatever, whatever, and so you better send us your credit card and all of that. And I said, oh, really? And then I decided to get Webroot Total protection. And it was super cheap. Just go to webroot.com Carson and get 20% off cybercrime spikes during the holidays, especially during Black Friday and Cyber Monday in the U.S. 53% of shoppers concerned about being scammed during major shopping days. Examples include phishing scams. I used to get those all the time. Fake emails from brands offering holiday deal shipping updates, fake shipping notifications, fake e commerce sites and social media stores, fraudulent websites, social media ads offering discounts and stealing payment information. That's what they're doing. That's what was happening. And all you got to do now is just go to webroot.comcarson webroot.comcarson 60% off. 20 bucks for a year for this computer right here. 20 bucks? Really? Yeah, yeah. Real time antivirus protection against emerging threats like malware, ransomware, phishing, firewall and network monitor. VPN for up to 10 devices, backup and restore with unlimited crowd storage for one PC or Mac, by the way, and up to a million dollars in expense reimbursement for stolen funds and out of pocket costs due to identity theft. Unreal. Fantastic protection. Webroot.com Carson For 60% off webroot.com Carson Nancy Pelosi may be retiring. She's 85 freaking years old and she may not be running again because she can't, you see, because she might fall down. But anyway, yeah, it looks like she gonna be done after 20, 26, and that's probably a good thing because she's done a lot of damage. I just wonder. I just wonder if there is some sort of a monkey rescue program available for her staffers. Because otherwise, you know, it's, it's hard. It's hard for flying monkeys when they've been held up so long in the, in the castle and then they've got to kind of. It's like, it's like a dog that's never been out of its cage before and you got a flying monkey, a blue flying monkey wearing, you know, the hotel bellboy costume like that. You never know how they're going to react in the real world. But here is Nancy Pelosi. This, uh, just. My God, what a piece of work. She is actually ground zero for tds. Case you want to. She's patient zero for tds. Listen to her just, I mean, y' all just seething over Donald Trump, just a vile creature, the worst thing on the face of the earth. But anyway.
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You think he's the worst thing on the face of the earth? I do, Yeah, I do. Why is that?
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Because he's the President of the United States and he does not honor the Constitution. You're a liar.
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Of the United States. In fact, he's turned the Supreme Court into a Roe court.
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He's abolished the House of Representatives.
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He's chilled the press.
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He's chilled the press. No, no, no, actually, he got the press back to doing their jobs because they were censoring us, calling our opinions disinformation and misinformation.
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He scared people who are in our country legally.
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No, no, actually he's. He's getting rid of illegals in the country. And there's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. But you know who Nancy Pelosi says the future of the country is? Gavin Newsom. It's clear that this governor has a vision for our country.
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He has knowledge of our country and our state, the state of California, the.
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Fourth largest economy in the world. Gavin manages that way with great dignity. He has strategic thinking. He has spent $130 billion on high speed rail and not one track has been laid. He has spent $30 billion on homelessness. They don't even know where the money went. And homelessness is worse than it's ever been about how to get things done. And that is what has brought us together here. When this opportunity occurred, Gavin had a plan. He's a man with a plan. And that's what brings us here today. Yeah, he's never gonna be the President of the United States because he's as fake as the veneers on his teeth. This is Jim Gossett on Nancy's retirement. She should go home.
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To San Francisco. They say Pelosi won't run again. Nanc has realized all her dreams with inside trading schemes.
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Yeah, she made a lot of money.
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Along with her dear hubby Paul.
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Hundreds of dollars.
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Nancy belongs.
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In San Francisco. Go back, you harpy. The woman's lost.
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As she can be.
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Nice, nice. She should go home to you. Come on, San Francisco. You can have her and get more. Pleasant sadness. Beautiful Jim Dawson, ladies and gentlemen, on the Rock Person show. Go to patreon.com jim Gossip comedy. There you go. Hey, did you realize that apparently the firefighters in the Palisades were stolen? They were told to stand down.
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A new bombshell report just published suggests that LA's most destructive fire may have been prevented if officials had simply listened to fire crews on the ground.
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The CNN report.
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A reminder what we're talking about here. The Palisades fire last January killed 12 people. It burned nearly 7,000 structures and caused tens of billions of dollars in damages.
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Don't forget the empty reservoirs and the bad leadership in the fire department. Federal prosecutors believe the massive fire that.
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Grew on January 7th was actually caused by a smaller fire from January 1st.
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That Cruz thought was out.
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So they left the scene. Well, check out this headline in the LA Times. Days before the Palisades inferno, firefighters were ordered to leave smoldering burn site. The report suggests that firefighters sounded the alarm about leaving, but they were not listened to.
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Wow, that's pretty amazing. You know, there's a lot of rumors about, you know, the Maori fire and the LA fires and why they happened. I will leave that up to the investigators. But Gavin Newsom is never going to be the president of the United States. He is a left coast liberal, he has no appeal and he is as fake as the veneers on his teeth. I promise you this. Also, JB Tetzler will never be the president of the United States because he's an unlikable. I'll just leave it at that. He's an unlikable person. Person. James Rosen's gonna join us next. The great James Rosen from Newsmax to talk about Dick Cheney and other things on the Rob Carson Show. Don't go anywhere. Hey guys, it's Carson for get fresh olive oil. I eat olive oil every day. I got rid of seed oils years ago. Life is too short to not have wonderful fresh olive oil. And I mean fresh olive oil packs the most flavor and healthy ingredients when it's fresh from the farm. And that's the problem with supermarket olive oils. They're not fresh. They can sit on the shelf for months, growing stale. That's why I get my olive oil from small, award winning farms thanks to a fellow named T.J. robinson, also known as the olive oil hunter. When I tasted TJ Farm's fresh olive oils, I fell in love with their vibrant, grassy flavors. They were incredibly delicious on salad, veggies, pasta, meat, fish, you name it. And as an introduction to his fresh pressed Olive Oil Club, TJ is willing to send you a full size $39 bottle of one of the world's finest artisanal olive oils fresh from the new harvest for just $1 to help him cover shipping. There's no commitment to buy anything now or later. Get your free $39 bottle for just $1 and taste the difference freshness makes. Go to getfreshrobcarson.com that's getfreshrobcarson.com for a free bottle and pay just $1 shipping. Get freshrobcarson.com.
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I actually have the endorsement of former Vice president Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney and Satan. That's next.
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The Sith Lord is back.
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Like a demon, it rises again.
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Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. Thank you to Satan for giving me inspiration on how to play this role.
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We don't need Dick Cheney.
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That is what the left said about Dick Cheney before he endorsed Kamala Harris last year. And today you see George Stephanopoulos and John Carl giving a slobbering obituary to Dick Cheney on the air. I am not a fan of Mr. Cheney at all. For the aforementioned reasons and others, however, I wanted an unvarnished and historic take on Dick Cheney and his life. And I could think of no better person to do that than the one and only James Rosen, chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax Television. Hello, James. How you doing today?
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Rob, blessed to be back with you. Thank you.
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Yeah, man. So you obviously have covered Washington, D.C. for a very long time. You are quite familiar with the ins and outs of the various administrations, including the Bush administration. What are your thoughts on Dick Cheney, his passing and what might be considered his legacy?
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Well, of course, Rob, we are obliged first to extend our condolences to the Cheney family. And I had the pleasure and the privilege of covering Dick Cheney when he was vice president. And I was a White House correspondent for Fox News at that time. We traveled to a lot of countries together, to most of the countries in the Middle East. These were trips that were grueling, where you'd hit 10 countries in eight days. And after he concluded his term, his two terms as vice president in late 2014, I spent 10 hours conducting an extensive oral history interview with the former vice president over three consecutive days in his home in McLean, Virginia. And I took that. I left that experience with about 80,000 words of recorded transcripts, and I took about 9,000 of those words, and I published them in 2015 as the Playboy interview with Dick Cheney. And then sometime thereafter, just a few months later, I published the complete 10 hours of transcripts, but for two redactions in a book called Chaney One on One, which you can get on Amazon. Today, I posted on my X feed amesrosentv pictures of myself conducting those interviews wearing a cast because I'd broken my foot shortly beforehand, pictures of my wife and I posing with the vice president on that occasion, and a picture of the front cover of Cheney one on one. And you know a couple of things about Dick Cheney, and I know he's controversial, certainly at Newsmax and with your audience, but this is somebody who, number one, even when I was writing about him and interviewing him 10 years ago, it was safe to say, which is an accurate statement, and it remained true, of course, until the day he died. He was the only person in the world walking the earth today who suffered a cardiac event in the 1970s and was still around to tell you about it.
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Yeah, he had a heart transplant.
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Yeah. Starting from around 1978. So there was nobody else who had any kind of cardiac event in the 1970s who was still alive to tell you about it. And that was true 10 years ago. And then, because he served as White House Deputy Chief of staff in 1974 under President Ford, the post Watergate period, and then ascended from there to Chief of Staff under President Ford all the way through his departure from the White House in 202009 with some brief interregnum. This was someone who was consuming classified US Intelligence product. In fact, I believe Dick Cheney to be the American in the annals of U.S. history who consumed classified U.S. intelligence product over the greatest span of time. And we talked a great deal in the book about how US Intelligence product had changed over that span of time. We covered everything from his childhood to 911 to Iraq. He admitted that mistakes were made in the Iraq war, but he also had with him ready, within reaching distance, a sheaf of papers. And these were intelligence reports that the White House was receiving in the run up to the Iraq war that showed. He read them aloud to me one by one, that not only was it the consensus of the US Intelligence community and the various component agencies that form our intelligence community that Saddam Hussein was indeed stockpiling wmd, but it had been at that time the consensus was of just about all of our allied intelligence services, such as overseas in the UK and elsewhere. So he continued to defend the decision to invade Iraq. But he could be good company. He was taciturn. He could be sometimes somewhat intimidating. I received. I was on the receiving end of the Cheney treatment in those 10 hours, at different points, really. But he also had a kind of a lopsided smile. And so, for example, when I showed up at his house in crutches to begin the 10 hours, it was supposed to be six hours, two hours a day, for three days. This was not a man who wasted words, as we all recall. So the fact that he extended sessions from six hours to 10 hours showed that I think that he thought it was a useful exercise. But I rang his doorbell in McLean and he opened up the door. He's looking very former vice presidential in a kind of cardigan sweater and slacks, charcoal slacks and so forth. He takes one look at me and sees the crutch, and that lopsided Cheney smile forms on his face. He says nothing else, looks at me with those pale blue eyes, and I just said to him, you should see the other Guy. Sir.
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Let me ask you this, James. And you know, obviously your life experience is a great deal different than mine, and you have interviewed some of the most powerful people in. In world history. When you, when you sit down with somebody like Dick Cheney and you have a conversation, how. How did you get past the veneer of that person's office to. To. To have a real conversation with them? What. What do you have to do to get there?
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In my case, in. In terms of the 10 hours of oral history interview we conducted in late 2014, I had the benefit of the former Vice president already knowing me from the times that I spent overseas with him in 2002 in the middle east and in Iraq. I travel with him to Iraq. I travel with him to Qatar to Al Udid Air Base, where we still today in Qatar have an air base with some 11,000American service personnel stationed there day in and day out. And part of it is just the sheer familiarity that comes with spending 10 hours together in a room with someone. But, you know, prior to us arranging the six and then 10 hours of interviews, we got together for a steak, or at least I had steak at a steakhouse in Northern Virginia. And I showed up and didn't quite know what I was going to expect. He was out of office. And suddenly I'm sitting alone in this steakhouse at lunchtime, and suddenly a tan colored Stetson appears, right? And it's. And it's being taken off the head of Dick Cheney. He's sort of bowing in a courtly way and doffing his hat at the sitting down. And I was very explicit in telling him that I wanted to do something that would be a very lengthy oral history, sort of like the John Lennon Playboy interviews or the John Lennon Rolling Stone interviews. I even showed him a copy of the complete Rolling Stone interview with Susan Sontag, who was a liberal academic and writer from the 60s and 70s. I don't think too many people brought Susan Sontag up to him. He was 74 at that time. And I was asking him about the Simon and Garfunkel lyric from the song Old Friends, I said, where it says, you know, they're sitting on a park bench in the song, and the singer says, how terribly strange to be 70. And I said, does it feel terribly strange to you to be 70?
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Wow.
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First of all, not too many people mention Simon and Garfunkel to Dick Cheney. In fact, I once gave him a gift. I once gave Dick Cheney a gift of the one album by the Beatles that collected in remastered form there all her number one hits. And I was told by Mrs. Cheney that he actually was listening to it.
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Very good. Can you hold on for the next break? I'd like to ask you a little bit more about Dick Cheney. We're talking to James Rose, and he's written this book, one of the many books that he wrote, Chaney one on one Candid Conversation with America's Most Controversial statesman. We'll take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show, and it's the Rob Carson Show. Dick Cheney has passed away. He's 84 years old. I wanted to have somebody because I have some strong feelings about James Rosen. To be honest, I'm not a fan. I changed my tune when he decided to vote for Kamala Harris and his daughter went after Donald Trump for January 6th. So I just wanted to take myself out of the equation. I am biased, obviously, but I thought James Rosen would be fascinating to have on about it because you're obviously a journalist in good standing and you've always been a great journalist and you had the opportunity to speak to Dick Cheney, even have a meal with him. You know, it's interesting, James, because he was the most despised human being in the left and frequently one of the most satirized by SNL and others for a very long time. And then he did a pivot in the last couple of years and MAGA Republicans kind of, you know, obviously are not fans of his. It's an interesting juxtaposition of who he was and, you know, who he became.
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Image kind of evolved over time. First, he was a wunderkind. He was 34 years old, Dick Cheney, when he was deputy White House chief of staff and then moved up to be chief of staff in the White House under President Ford. He was a man of the House for many years, and he never lost an election from his from Wyoming, although he was originally born in Nebraska. And he became a member of House leadership and he was the ranking Republican on the House Select Committee appointed to investigate the Iran Contra matter. It was when Dick Cheney was a member of the House that he took courses, training at retreats in something called continuity of government. These were training sessions for leadership figures in the Congress on how to maintain and continue the operations of the United States government in the event of what was then the number one national security threat, some kind of catastrophic nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. All that continuity of government training kicked in for Dick Cheney on 911 when President Bush was hopscotching the country aboard Air Force One, going to different Air Force bases Because it was considered not secure for him to return to what was then Andrews Air Force Base. And so it fell to Dick Cheney to run the federal government's response to 911 in real time from a bunker, the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, a poorly outfitted World War II era bunker beneath the White House. And there were photographs that were subsequently many years later released that show that were taken in the bunker, that show almost like a Renaissance painting, Rob Cheney seated in the center, maybe on the phone, and very powerful people all leaning in towards him like he was the center of gravity. People like the White House National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice or Karen Hughes, who was an advisor from Texas that was very close with President Bush. And there's no doubting from the body language and everything in these photos, this Renaissance painting of the Peock, the Presidential Emergency Operations center in the bunker below the White House, who was the big daddy who was calling the shots? Who was the authoritative figure? And, you know, Cheney had been brought into government in the 60s by his mentor, Don Rumsfeld, who was Defense Secretary on that grisly day. And a recording was later produced that showed that Rumsfeld called up his old protege, Dick Cheney, the Vice President. And Cheney instructed Rumsfeld on that occasion that if the fourth plane in the 911 attacks, the one that is eventually driven into the field in Shanksville Penns, whose whereabouts were unknown, that if it should stray into Washington airspace, possibly headed for the White House or the Capitol, the Defense Department was to shoot that plane down. And on that scratchy recording, Rumsfeld can be heard saying to his former. His former protege, Dick Cheney, on whose authority Dick and Vice President Cheney can be heard telling his former mentor on the authority of the President, Don. And of course, the exact timing of the call between Bush and Cheney, the President before President Bush and Cheney during that pivotal session where that order was supposedly transmitted, came under some challenge by the 911 Commission. But nonetheless, you know, we all have our stories, Rob, of where we were and how we heard the news. On 9 11, my parents were in New York. They watched second plane from the street go into the second tower. Everyone has their stories. There's only one American whose 911 story was, yeah, while the President was hopscotching around the country, I was calling the shots for the federal government. I was the one who was in a bunker below the White House telling the FAA director to bring down every plane that was in the sky across the United States and Hawaii and Alaska at that time, which is around 2,000 planes. I was the guy telling Donald Rumsfeld that, yes, that missing plane, if it came into Washington airspace, should be shot down. And despite what we may think about the Iraq war and Cheney's entire record in government war at Halliburton, I think all Americans owe Dick Cheney and the continuity of government training he had received as a House member a great debt of gratitude for the way he did help keep the government running on 9 11.
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Well, I appreciate you joining us today, James. As I said, it was. I did not want to simply disparage him because of who he became politically. And I thought you could give us a good political, or I should say not political, but historical view when he left office. What, what did he resign himself to? I mean, it had to be difficult for him to be so active his entire life to, to leave office, you know, and obviously be attacked wholesale by the media for eight years. Even after 9 11, what were the last years of his life like?
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B
Of course his daughter remained active in politics and he was kind of a consulary to his daughter. But I think he was crazy about his grandkids and he wrote his memoirs into which he invested great care and which were a primary source for me in composing my questions for those 10 hours of oral history interviews. But you were right when you mentioned that Dick Cheney was vilified like few other figures in American history. I remember the COVID of the 2004 Halloween issue of the New Yorker magazine. And I grew up loving the New Yorker magazine. The gentle articles about baseball and the turning of the leaves, these covers that showed sort of amusing situations and kind of, you know, it was sort of a genteel publication. But I knew things had taken a turn when Halloween 04 issue, the COVID of the New Yorker magazine was all black with orange lettering for the words the New Yorker. And the main illustration was an orange Jack o' lantern where the face was the visage of Dick Cheney, a particularly hideous configuration.
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A
I remember that actually.
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B
And I think, you know, that's where it struck me that our political culture and our political discourse had changed markedly. And I can't say, I don't know that there's anyone who would say now, two decades later that it's better.
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No, not at all. James Rosen, I appreciate you, brother. I really, really do. You've written some great works. The book you gave me last week, I will read. It may take me a year, but by God I will read it. It's hard for someone because I have the attention span of a fruit fly, in case you didn't notice, James, I Don't know.
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B
You seem to be getting through the segments very good.
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A
Well, it's nice to talk to you, man. I appreciate your perspective. You want to check out this book, Cheney One on One, A Candid Conversation with America's Most Controversial Statesman. Otherwise, James has a host of magnificent books, including about Antonin Scalia, among others. James, have a glorious day. We'll watch for you on Newsmax.
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B
Thank you, Rob.
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A
All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. So did you see what happened on the View yesterday? You know, here's the deal. I do the only comedy show on Newsmax. And frequently when you, when you deal with people who are used to doing news, there's a difference between doing news, the context of news in comedy. Sometimes we butt heads and, you know, it's good sparring. We have to do this. Whoopi Goldberg yesterday claims that she was trying to be funny when she was saying that Donald Trump used the auto pin. She's not telling the truth. Somebody who has written comedy has delivered comedy. You know it as well as anyone that I do it as well as, as do commentary. I think I'm able to pivot easily from one to the other. Unlike Whoopi Goldberg, who pivots idiocy to comedy, I, I pivot from intelligent commentary to comedy. And here she is getting a note during the broadcast from one of the producers saying you really gotta watch it because you're, you're bordering on slander. And she didn't like it.
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B
The Trump family has made about $1.8 billion profited off of this government. And he said that Joe Biden didn't know who he was pardoning using an auto penny, how come you don't know who this guy is? Because he used an auto. Let me, let me. Meetings with the judge. The meetings that are, they're supposed to go to when they're listening to what the hell. I love when Sonny passes notes. I don't know if pen used, if Trump used an auto pen to part. It was a joke. We don't know if Trump used an auto pen. Oh, come on. But we do know that he didn't.
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A
Know it wasn't a joke. She said because he used an auto pen. It wasn't a joke. If it was a joke, it would be like do suppose he might have been using the auto pin.
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B
That crypto guy was.
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A
Well, I'm sorry.
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B
You know the hardest thing about this.
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A
Job now, what is so hard about getting paid as much as you do.
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B
For spewing no one understands nuance, Please. There. You know, when you hear a joke, when somebody's fooling around, when they're not saying something specific, Especially on this show. I'm very specific. When I'm. When I'm pointing stuff out, when I'm making.
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A
No, you're not. You're using comedy as a shield because you just said something that was irresponsible. And that's pretty ridiculous, actually. This is one of the reasons why. I mean, if I. They should make watching the View part of a life sentence in prison for terrorism. I swear to God. Last hour. The Rob Carson show is right ahead. If I were you, I wouldn't go anywhere.