Fraud, Filibusters & Freakouts: America’s Mess on Full Display

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Rob Carson Show – "Fraud, Filibusters & Freakouts: America’s Mess on Full Display"

Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Rob Carson (Newsmax Podcasts)
Key Guest: Doug Burns (former federal prosecutor)
Episode Theme: A humorous yet pointed breakdown of recent political chaos, legislative debates, and rampant fraud in America, featuring critical discussion of voting laws, government corruption, and legal system failures.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show shines a comedic yet sharply critical light on America’s current legislative battles and institutional dysfunctions. Rob examines allegations of government fraud, the complexities of voting laws (notably the SAVE Act), and the breakdown of public trust in both Congress and the courts. Doug Burns joins to give legal insight into judicial overreach and public policy failures. The episode is dense with Carson’s signature parodies and biting commentary, as well as extended, well-attributed (and timestamped) discussions.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Corruption and the Emergence of Epic Fraud

• Timestamps: [15:03]–[19:36]
• Carson and guest Nick Shirley explore large-scale fraud, especially in government assistance programs such as hospice care and autism spending in California and Minnesota.
• The newly formed federal fraud task force (led by VP J.D. Vance and FTC Chair Andrew Ferguson) is discussed as an overdue response to rampant theft of taxpayer money.
• Profound frustration is expressed over the lack of consequences for fraudsters:

  "How about throw some damn people in jail?... Some people spend the rest of their damned lives in jail." – Rob Carson [14:51]

Memorable Quote

"If all of it were stopped, it would be enough to balance the budget. The extraction of wealth from American taxpayers to people who don't belong here is the primary cause of the national debt."
– Doug Burns [16:55]

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2. Debate Over Voting Laws: The SAVE Act and Voter ID

• Timestamps: [06:12]–[13:11]
• The show delves into the congressional debate over the SAVE Act, which would require proof of citizenship to vote.
• Rob highlights perceived hypocrisy in Democratic resistance, mocking the argument that requiring ID disenfranchises minorities.
• Discussion is peppered with satire and pop culture references, e.g. likening Debbie Wasserman Schultz to a "labradoodle" [08:09], and referencing classic TV fishing shows.

Key Quotes & Analysis

"Isn't it interesting that the Democrat Party says that women and blacks cannot get an ID and that will impact Democrat voters? Okay, so what about black Republicans and Republican women? What about them?"
– Rob Carson [07:36]

• Soundbites from Rep. James Clyburn and Sen. Mike Lee provided:
  • James Clyburn: Argues requiring ID would decrease African American representation [09:39]
  • Sen. Mike Lee: Refutes claims that new voting laws would disenfranchise voters, arguing Democratic warnings are "paranoid fantasy" and "fear mongering" [11:02], [11:19]

Parody & Satire

• Carson lampoons Democratic talking points as "bumper stickers" that collapse under scrutiny:

  "Democrats speak in mupper stickers and their logic and their argument ends about a sentence into it." [13:11]

• Strong support for a "talking filibuster" is voiced by Mike Lee, demanding senators "earn it" if they wish to filibuster landmark legislation [11:58]–[12:32].

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3. Exposing Hospice & Public Assistance Fraud

• Timestamps: [15:03]–[19:36]
• Nick Shirley's on-the-ground reporting in California uncovers spectacular levels of fraud in hospice care: strip-mall centers, Armenian mafia, and high-end luxury cars funded by false claims.
• Parody continues as Carson and guests facetiously plot to start their own fraudulent hospice company:

  "My career's been dying for years." – Rob Carson [20:01]

Notable Moment

• Shirley observes,

  "Now after seeing all the wealth that is being created from these hospice centers... I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fluke that Armenian mafia members were running the show... And this time it was even worse." [18:09]

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4. Government Waste & The Homelessness Industrial Complex

• Timestamps: [22:54]–[25:53]
• Rob and Doug Burns analyze how New York City spent $81,000 per homeless person last year, with little benefit for the homeless themselves.
• Consensus that public funds are being looted under the guise of solving social problems, while the actual needy benefit little.

Memorable Quote

"It means that it's not working. It's a complete and total public policy failure. The money's being diverted away from the purpose for which, you know, it was identified in the first place."
– Doug Burns [24:30]

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5. Judicial Overreach and the Politics of the Courts

• Timestamps: [35:10]–[38:40]
• Examination of U.S. District Judge Brian Murphy’s series of controversial rulings, including interventions in vaccination and deportation policy. Both Carson and Burns criticize "rogue" judges and discuss the lack of effective remedies for judicial activism.
• Burns notes a positive trend of appellate courts reversing many of these outlier decisions.

Key Insight

"He's wielding power that he doesn't have... Murphy was reversed by the First Circuit Court of Appeals... he's been pretty good, Rob, on cutting back these rogue out of line decisions."
– Doug Burns [35:10–36:43]

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6. Polarization, Trump, and Social Contagion

• Timestamps: [39:12]–[41:33]
• Carson contemplates how Trump’s presidency weaponized division, discussing personal fallout and referencing Jerry O'Connell’s story of spousal rage on election night.
• Rob humorously but pointedly compares modern political mania to historical ideological hysteria:

  "This is the kind of mania and social contagion that led people into the Third Reich and into Stalin's Russia. And I'm not kidding about this." [41:33]

• He concludes with blistering criticism of progressive ideology and a call for reason and self-respect.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob on Political Divides:

  "It never became real until Donald Trump became the president. And the left just went bat guano crazy against Donald Trump. And the reason being is he's a reformer. Coming in here, they've seen their doom in him." [39:12]

• Doug Burns on Political Rationalization:

  "As we've jokingly said many times, but it's almost not a joke. If Trump came out with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and said we've cured all cancers, they would criticize it on liberal cable." [29:52]

• Rob’s Satirical Take on Identity Politics:

  "Honestly? Really? Seriously. Seriously. This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz who looks like a dog who just got back from the groomers. They haven't blown out the hair yet." [07:55]

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Segment Timestamps

• [01:41] – Rob welcomes affiliates and recaps hour two (Iran, Operation Epic Fury, and KT McFarland)
• [03:17–06:12] – Commentary on Tucker Carlson and conservative media personalities
• [06:12–13:11] – In-depth debate over the SAVE Act, voter ID, and legislative obstacles
• [14:51–19:36] – Exposure of government fraud in California hospice industry and elsewhere
• [22:54–25:53] – NYC homelessness spending and government policy failures
• [35:10–38:40] – Legal analysis of recent "rogue" court decisions and political appointments
• [39:12–41:33] – Reflections on polarization, Trump, and the personal impact of political hysteria

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Tone and Language

• The episode is characterized by Carson’s irreverent, sarcastic humor, heavy use of analogies and cultural references, and frequent parody. Burns provides sober, legal explanation, serving as a counterpoint to Carson’s lampooning.

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In Summary

"Fraud, Filibusters & Freakouts" exposes what Carson sees as America’s unprecedented level of governmental and societal dysfunction. With a combination of acerbic wit and legal grounding, the show spotlights failures in managing public money, legislative gridlock, and judicial activism. Rob Carson’s blend of humor and righteous anger, coupled with Doug Burns’s legal expertise, delivers a show both entertaining and packed with pointed political commentary—a guide to America’s mess, in full display.

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Transcript

[Rob Carson]

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[Interviewer/Reporter]

Hold it.

[Rob Carson]

Now you are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny

[Doug Burns]

show in America on air and on the World Wide Web.

[Rob Carson]

This is the Rob Carson Show. This is the Rob Carson show hour number three. We are not streaming today. I miss my beautiful streamers. I really do. We're not sure if it's weather or whatever. We've got text working on it. I apologize. I know it's important you see my lovely face with my fantastic hair. Anyway, we will get back on. In the meantime, we thank our glorious affiliate stations around the country for for carrying the the show and also the podcast. You can just listen to the podcast later today. How does that sound? I think it sounds good. Had KT McFarland on last hour. She was awesome. Talking about, you know, what's going on with with Iran and Operation Epic Fury and all this and Joe Kent resigning today because you know, two and a half weeks into a very brilliant and successful. He doesn't feel like Iran was a threat to us. It's odd this. According to townhall.com he was cut out of POTUS intelligence briefing months ago due to allegations of suspected leaks. That he's not been part of any Iran planning discussions or briefing the administration. Saying he wasn't privy to the classified information that provides the evidence that Iran was nuclear empowered or about to be.

[Guest or Contributor]

Allegation that his decision was based on the influence of others, even foreign countries is both insulting and laughable. Now own Aisha Hosny reporting that on background to a senior administration official says that Joe Kent was cut out of POTUS intelligence briefings months ago due to allegations of suspected leaks.

[Rob Carson]

And there you go. Yeah, so there's a little bit of that going on, among other things. And again, when you look at these things, you got to look at who's on his side and Candace Owens is on his side and Tucker Carlson is on his side and they're all a little bit, you know, a little bit out there, a little bit lost. I, you know, been talking about Tucker Carlson. He used to be a big fan of Tucker Carlson. And I, I just think that, you know, I always, you know, there are some people I really admire. I admire Mark Levin as far as his knowledge of the Constitution, law and whatever. I'll never be able to match it. You may recall years and years and years ago when Rush Limbaugh first started, he talked about F. Lee Levin. Remember the legal expert F. Lee Levin? That was Mark Levin. And, and Rush Limbaugh didn't know everything about any, everything, you know, couldn't know everything about the Constitution. He was a very learned man, you know, but he relied on others to, you know, fill in the blanks. And it just so happens that Mark Levin was one of them. That's what I do on this show. I'm not an expert on everything. My God, you know, you can't be an expert on anything. Everything. You can come in with being well informed, which is what I do every day. And I work very hard to do that. And I think you must admit, if you've been listening the last six years, I've been right about just about everything. And it's because I have life experience, common sense, and I do a lot of show prep, you know, all of those things. Tucker Carlson has had his. He's a silver spoon boy. He's a silver spoon boy. He's an Ivy League boy. He's a blue blood. He's a, he's a blue blazer, country club type. And I think that that kind of upbringing A lot of times leaves a serious void in your, in your character, at least, or at least your, your knowledge and experience in life in general. Because you've never suffered, you've never seen the impact of some of the things that the government does because you've always lived above it, you know, and all these things. And so I think when things like this happen, when, when, when push comes to shove, people like Tucker Carlson will stray from the. I don't even, I don't even know what to say. Just, but just, just. He's kind of lost it. He's kind of lost it. When he was let go from fox, I, I thought maybe it was because of insubordination, but I thought it was insubordination. I'm not sure sure it is what it is now, to be quite honest. But, but I, I think if you, if you look at this, what, what the people who are now just two, this military campaign, which by the way, will be shorter than anything that we've seen, will be more successful than any military campaign we've seen in the last 30 years. Plus, it is not like what George Bush got us into. It is not like what George H.W. bush got into. It is not like anything Obama or Biden got us into. It is not like anything that Bill Clinton got us into. It's completely, completely different. And the reason being is we have Donald Trump as the president and he is unlike any president we've ever had when he was president. The first time I said that, for the first time in our lives, we have somebody who went to Washington, D.C. who's doing what we asked him to do and he's doing a great job. So there you go. There you go. There you go. So the SAVE act, of course, is on the agenda of Congress. The Democrat Party is fighting against us. They're doing everything they can to keep illegals on the voter rolls, to keep illegals loaded up with largesse. The Democr Party can't stand it. And they, and here we are again, the Democrat Party saying that, asking for an id, requiring an ID to prove your citizenship. And by the way, the only way you can prove your citizenship is with an id. The only way. There's no DNA test. All right, now listen, listen. Maybe in China, you know, there's, there's a DNA test. It's going to show your Chinese, right? Or, you know, you got maybe Germany, DNA test is going to show your German, right? Well, I'm an Irish, English and German, but I'm American first. I, the only way I can Prove I'm American is with an id. But the Democrat Party. Isn't it interesting. Isn't it interesting that the Democrat Party says that women and blacks cannot get an ID and that will impact Democrat voters? Okay, so what about black Republicans and Republican women? What about them? Honestly? Really? Seriously. Seriously. This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz who looks like a dog who just got back from the groomers. They haven't blown out the hair yet.

[Guest or Contributor]

Senator John Thune says he will.

[Rob Carson]

Really? That she looks like a labradoodle.

[Guest or Contributor]

Bring the SAVE act to a vote in the Senate. Republicans say that this is just about voters having to show ID and proof

[Rob Carson]

of citizenship, which is exactly what it

[Guest or Contributor]

is in order to. To vote.

[Rob Carson]

What's wrong with that?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

This is about one thing.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Ensuring that it is much harder for people who are unlikely to go.

[Rob Carson]

What you said when he passed The Jim Crow 2.0 in Georgia, more black

[Interviewer/Reporter]

people ended up voting the polls and vote for Republicans and that making it much harder for them to cast their ballot. Putting obstacles in the path of people who simply want to exercise.

[Rob Carson]

I don't know if you really feel that way. I mean, wouldn't you be glad that we're making it harder for Republicans to vote? Wouldn't you be thrilled about that? Here's Jamin James Clyburn. He's a major race baiter. If he was doing like a Sunday TV shows, they used to do feature fishing. Remember that when there were only three channels when. When us Gen Xers were kids and there was like the world of Virgil Ward over here. From the lakes of morning Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, I remember that because, you know, I'm a latchkey kid. But anyway, he would be championship race batting. That's what he'd be on Sunday afternoons. Then you can watch bowling, you know, if you're lucky after that. But here's James Clyburn. He says that the by. By supporting ID to prove your citizenship, to enjoy the rights of citizenship. One of them, of course, being able to vote will. Will cause black people not to get elected.

[Guest or Contributor]

The same act, for instance.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Guest or Contributor]

It's nothing but a throwback to those laws that were passed after Reconstruction that made it impossible for African Americans to get elected. If the same act.

[Rob Carson]

What about women? I thought there were women as part of that too.

[Guest or Contributor]

Becomes law.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Guest or Contributor]

It will reduce dramatically the number of African Americans that's currently serving.

[Rob Carson]

You are so full of it in the Congress.

[Guest or Contributor]

And I think that what we need to do is spend our time working on saving this democracy that some People.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, my God. Just. You give me a headache. You gave me. See, the thing is, Democrats always think the worst of people. They always think the least of people. You know, when. When something happens, they automatically think America is racist. You know, when whatever happens, Americans are racist. Americans, they always think the least of us. And Mike Lee was being asked about this because they're. They're saying that, like the other day, what was it? Chuck Schumer, the. The gargoyle with osteoporosis, he said that ICE was going to kick millions of voters off the rolls. Which is true, right? I mean, if you. If you remove illegals from the country, then millions of Democrat voters will be kicked off the rolls because they won't live anymore. That's. That's the truth. That's what he actually meant by it. But Mike Lee was asked about this, said, is it. Is it going to cause. Is ICE going to kick millions of people off the voter rolls?

[Mike Lee]

Absolutely not. Under no circumstance, under no plausible interpretation of this bill, would this bill, after becoming law, require that result or even allow it or even contemplate it remotely. Look, this is paranoid fantasy.

[Rob Carson]

Yes. It's not even that. It's fear mongering to prevent making sure that your vote isn't stolen mingled with fear mongering.

[Mike Lee]

And we can't allow the Democrats to continue to weave this false narrative. These are about as trustworthy as Chuck Schumer's cheeseburgers, and we've got to identify them as such.

[Rob Carson]

Absolutely, 100%. Here is Mike Lee talking about the standing filibuster versus the zombie filibuster, where they have to talk for, like, days in a row. This has been around forever. But the Democrats got rid of it because they can't carry the argument. And so that's what they're afraid of, this talking filibuster, which is what Mike Lee says we need to do.

[Mike Lee]

Those senators who want to filibuster this bill, those who want the benefits of the filibuster, meaning those who want to delay it and postpone and hopefully in their minds, thwart passage of it, they should be required to work for it. Look, this is something that 85% of the American people.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, yeah, there is that.

[Mike Lee]

So if a small handful of Democratic lawmakers want to interfere with the will of the American people, let them earn it. Make them speak, make them stand on the Senate floor and explain why in front of all the American people, they won't last very long. Once they are required to do that, this thing is going to pass.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And the thing about the zombie filibuster is it doesn't require any effort whatsoever.

[Mike Lee]

I have absolutely no idea what a floor takeover means. But if a floor takeover means that we're going to make filibustering senators speak against this bill, heck yeah, I'm all for it. Let's do it. Let's take over the floor. I saw that phrase in a headline just a little while ago. I'm still confused as to what it means. But if it means enforce the talking filibuster, I'm all in. No rule change is required. No rule change whatsoever is required. And I cannot emphasize this enough. This is entirely within the Senate rules. In fact, this has been something that has been part of the Senate's culture since.

[Rob Carson]

And here's why the Democrats will lose on this is because Democrats speak in mupper stickers and their logic and their argument ends about a sentence into it. That's why they won't be able to support this. That's why we will win on this and we'll see what happens. It's in the, in the Senate right now. They're talking about it. The American people want it. And it's about time the American people got what they, what they asked for from these people in Washington D.C. on the way. Nick Shirley in California. Unbelievable fraud. Worse than Minnesota, if that's possible. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. So a lot of fraud in America. You know, I told you a couple years ago that I think we were going to find out that the US Government is more corrupt than the Soviet Union. But we have $7 trillion to spend every year. I mean, and it is this way. It is, it is remarkable. The President Trump is set up this task force for the fraud. Okay. Chaired By Vice President J.D. vance, Federal Trade Commission Chairman Andrew Ferguson as Vice Chairman Task force will coordinate measures to improve eligibility verification, implement prepayment controls. Did. How about throw some damn people in jail? The task force will also coordinate development of minimum anti fraud requirements to prevent exploitation of taxpayer funded benefits. Again, how about for all of the fraud that's happened in the country that's going on right now, some people spend the rest of their damned lives in jail. That's what I'd like to say. That's what I'd like to say. Here's the President yesterday talking about Ilhan Omar and at the unveiling of this new, this new fraud task force.

[Nick Shirley]

And everyone knows they've been cheating for years. It's the first ever and it's got to be stopped. I mean, it's got to be stopped. It's.

[Rob Carson]

Think of it.

[Nick Shirley]

Somalia is a third world, maybe a fourth world nation, one of the worst, one of the most dangerous. They don't have anything. They don't have councils, they don't have.

[Rob Carson]

It's the meth trailer park of the world, actually.

[Nick Shirley]

Permanent. They don't have police, they shoot each other.

[Rob Carson]

One trailer, they make meth. It's just like that.

[Nick Shirley]

They're all over the place. They come here and they steal $19 billion. That's crazy. And Ilhan Omar, I hope this is part of it, but she married her brother, supposedly. I mean, if there's a lot of documentation that means she's here illegally and she's a congresswoman.

[Rob Carson]

I want to see her denaturalized and sent back to Somalia. All she's done is bad mouth this country. She got here, she's a spoiled, entitled brat. You know, I did a viral video a couple weeks ago, you know, because you don't do viral videos. Videos go viral. And I was talking about the. There are several people beginning to echo the sentiment that we would not have a deficit or a debt, I should say a national debt, the way it is, and a debt every year. You know, we'd not be underwater if it weren't for all the fraud. And we're discovering now that it's not $19 billion in Minnesota, it's trillions of dollars. It's going to happen. It's going to be trillions of dollars. They're saying, minimum $250 billion in California. Not a big surprise. And yesterday, one of my favorite. It makes you kind of wonder why the left and why the liberal media is going after Stephen Miller so much. Kind of like they did after Elon Musk when he started going after, when he created doge. And now everybody's like, stephen Miller's got to go. Stephen Miller's got to go. Really? Why is that? Why would Stephen Miller have to go? If all of it were stopped, it

[Doug Burns]

would be enough to balance the budget. The extraction of wealth from American taxpayers

[Rob Carson]

to people who don't belong here is

[Doug Burns]

the primary cause of the national debt.

[Rob Carson]

And this is the first ever effort

[Doug Burns]

to shut that down.

[Rob Carson]

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Nick Shirley]

First ever. And everyone knows they've been cheating for years. It's the first ever.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Yeah. About damn time. Nick Shirley heads to California. He went to this building and 15 different hospice companies were in the building. And all of the people in the hospice company running the hospices, which Aren't treating any people have hundred thousand dollar cars, minimum, minimum, actually much more. And they're run by the Armenian maf. Now this was brought up a couple years ago and the governor of the state of California said it was racism and filed a lawsuit saying that, you know, you're being an anti Armenian and all of that stuff. And here is Nick Shirley going to this one of these strip malls where all these hospice companies are, where hospice care has gone up 1000% just like the autism spending in Minnesota, just like that. Except for the hospice which is end of life care. And they're taking other people's identities, signing them up for in life care to get the money while not providing any services because the people aren't dying.

[Nick Shirley]

Now after seeing all the wealth that is being created from these hospice centers, I headed back to the original location where we found over 15 hospices in one plaza. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fluke that Armenian mafia members were running the show and that there weren't just randomly hundred thousand dollar cars the day I went by. And this time it was even worse.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Sir, how are you?

[Nick Shirley]

Good.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

So what do you think about all this hospice fraud, sir?

[Rob Carson]

You're in The Cybertruck driving $100,000 Cybertruck,

[Interviewer/Reporter]

making money from old people.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Yet he's just driving away.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a little bit more from the. The thieves at these hospice companies driving off in their hundred thousand plus dollar cars.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

What do you do for work here? What do you do for work here?

[Rob Carson]

Why?

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Oh, we're just looking around. We're seeing all these hospitals.

[Nick Shirley]

Just curious.

[Doug Burns]

Well, I don't know man.

[Rob Carson]

This is unbelievable.

[Nick Shirley]

Word got out that I was inside of the Plaza and all the fraudsters started hopping in their cars, leaving the scene.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Excuse me. Let's see if they can just answer our questions really quick. Hello. Can we ask you a quick question? Driving out in a brand new M8 M8B. Get out that easy?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, they had some nice cars, man.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

How can I get an MA as well? Should I open up a hospice?

[Rob Carson]

And he decided to just see if he could sign up to start a hospice. Because there's a building there that literally says come in and start your own hospice. You see, and it's, it's all about fraud.

[Nick Shirley]

In fact, in LA there's locations that will teach you how to open up your own hospice center. So I went there with a potential business partner to try and become a multimillionaire in hospice.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

We know that hospice is a very lucrative Business. So I joined a business partner right here. His name's Darren. And we're here outside the hospit consultants and we would like to start our own hospice today. We're just two young men who want to become millionaires here inside the United. Seems like the only way to do it. Why not nowadays is by committing fraud.

[Rob Carson]

My career's been dying for years.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

So we're gonna go in and see if we can start our own hospice. Are you guys the hospital?

[Rob Carson]

They have hospice careers or hospice for dying careers consultants? Yes, actually, my career is just taking off.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Oh, can we talk to you guys about. I want to open my hospice.

[Guest or Contributor]

You want to open a hospital?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. What the hell? What the hell?

Okay.

[Will (IQ Bar Creator)]

What was your name?

[Nick Shirley]

My name's Nick.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

But I want to open up a hospice.

[Rob Carson]

I understand, but we don't take care of that.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Can I get some information?

[Rob Carson]

Do you want a number?

Yeah. I gotta tell you, this has got to be exposed. And this task force better show some results because this is utterly, utterly unacceptable. Ridiculous. And as I said, we are as corrupt as the Soviet Union, our country. We used to make fun of them. We were the guys in the white hats. We were the guys in the white hats. They were the guys in the black hats. They were the bad guys. No, no, no, no. Our country has decayed from the inside and we have to remove the rot it has to happen for us to survive another 250 years. Take a break and come back. Doug Burns joins us next on the other side of the break. This is the Rob Carson show. Hey, guys. Hey guys. It's Carson for Shopify. You know, for years I have had a swag line of T shirts with catchy phrases and whatnot and it's just been lying there. Well, I've decided to go with Shopify and actually make money with my own business. Shopify gives you everything you need to sell online and in person. Millions of entrepreneurs have already made this leap from household names to first time business owners just getting started. Choose from hundreds of beautiful templates you can customize to match your brand. Instead of just having a lousy website that nobody notices like I have been doing for years. Set up fast with Shopify's built in AI tools that write product descriptions and headlines. Create email and social campaigns that reach customers wherever they scroll. In 2026, stop waiting and start selling with Shopify. Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com Newsmax go to shopify.com Newsmax make building a successful business your 2026 New Year's resolution. That is a St. Patrick's Day parade in New York City, baby. Oh, there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. It's posted by the fire department in New York City because, you know, a lot of firemen, a lot of Irishmen became firemen in New York City, officers and whatnot. A proud tradition. Thank you very much. From the bowels of New York City is the great Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor. How are you on this glorious St. Patrick's Day, brother?

[Guest or Contributor]

Good, Rob.

[Doug Burns]

Good to be on with you.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I want to talk a little bit about this, this judge who's decided to turn back Robert Kennedy's vaccination recommendations in one moment. But I want to mention this. Your city of New York City, New York City, spent $81,000 per person on services for the homeless last year. Doug, what the hell kind of sense does this make where you're paying a homeless person enough a salary? Like if you're with another homeless person, $162,000 enough to make a living?

[Doug Burns]

That doesn't make sense. And again, you know, we've discussed this before, which is New York City, you know, following suit, going to school on Chicago, West Coast, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and it's got to turn around. It's just that simple. Because there are much better ways to address these problems, obviously, than doing that.

[Rob Carson]

You know, Doug, this has been going all over the country. We are discovering in Minnesota, the autism spending went from 7 million to $400 million. We found out that the spending on these hospice cares had gone up 1000%. Then you find out this homeless street Homeless Solutions Division trip in the last six years, from 102 million in 2019 to $28,000 per unsheltered homeless person to now the amount of $81,000 a year. The Big Apple's unsheltered homeless population in the meantime increased by 26%. Which. What, what does that mean, Doug? It means that people are getting rich and the homeless are not getting. Are any any better off?

[Doug Burns]

Absolutely. It means that it's not working. It's a complete and total public policy failure. The money's being diverted away from the purpose for which, you know, it was identified in the first place. And again, it's crazy. Now, with my background, obviously, I was in the U.S. attorney's office for nine years. I've been doing white collar, you know, defense for decades. You know, when you have government money, obviously human nature being human nature, there's going to be a lot of fraud. And it's interesting because the recent events, you know, Minnesota, now on the West Coast, Los Angeles, the uncovering by this particular, you know, Internet journalist. There's always been lots and lots of fraud with respect to government programs, but

[Rob Carson]

it's really been put on steroids, for lack of a better cliche. Also, the Mondavi. Oh dear God. The Mondami administration inks a $1.9 billion three year contract to house homeless peoples in New York City. Now I've stayed in New York City a number of times, different hotels down there. Newsmax.

Right.

And there are some nights it's $500 and then all of a sudden the next night is $1,200. So you know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna go to New York City, claim that I'm homeless and get put up in one of these lovely hotels. What a profoundly gigantic waste of money.

[Doug Burns]

Yeah, think about the amount of money you're talking about there. What you cited.

[Rob Carson]

$2,000 million dollars. $2,000 million dollars.

[Doug Burns]

It's completely insane, but it reflects this guy's philosophy of. And what bothers me, and we've discussed this before, is that the guy at least was upfront about the labels and people went in with a straight face and voted for him. I don't understand that.

[Rob Carson]

I. Well, it's because the people who voted for him, 65% of them were not from this country and they also were not here to assimilate to the culture. They voted for him for two reasons. One, he's a communist, one, he's a social, or he's an Islamist. And when you got that mix of things, then you're gonna get what you get. That's green red, baby, that's green red. Revolution. That's what it's all about. And that's why you guys are in deep duty right now.

[Doug Burns]

But it's gonna be interesting to see the way it plays out. And whether or not, as I told you last week, he's gonna flame out like Joe Biden did. You know, from my mouth to the man upstairs ears, you would think he would. But again, like, I'm not the political expert and so forth. You know, my background's obviously in law. Yeah, I'm not understanding the breakdown of voters though. In other words, you know, there's a very large Jewish voting block in New York City. What is up with that?

[Rob Carson]

Well, it's because they put politics ahead of their faith. That's just it. That's the self loathing Jew, as we've called for many years. I Talked about this to many of my Jewish friends. It's the same way with a self loathing liberal. It's a self loathing room. The self loathing gay. They are like, I want to be LGBTQ in, in, in Gaza, you know, knowing you're going to be murdered. It's, it's just stupid. It's, it's this, it's this pathos of like, for instance, women who fall in love with death row inmates. You know, I don't know what it is, I don't know what that is, Doug, but it's, it's happening here.

[Doug Burns]

And that's all kinds of psychiatric stuff.

[Guest or Contributor]

Right?

[Doug Burns]

Change the topic. Showing right now on news she says the US is only marginally better than Iran.

[Guest or Contributor]

Rob.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I was, I was looking at that. By the way, I've got an article on this. Yeah. And in, in Iran. Let me give you a rundown of how much better that Iran is for women than here. Women must adhere to mandatory dress code that requires covering their hair, arms and legs in public. They have morality police. You can be sentenced and fined up to 15 years in prison. Morality priests arrested Mahsa Amani for wearing her hijab improperly. They ended up beating her to death. Women can be arrested or thrown in prison for social media posts showing them without hijabs. Women have often been banned from attending men's sporting events. Many women require permission from a male to marry. You can marry under 13 years of age. Here's another one. I got another good one here. Oh, yeah. The women inherit less than men. And a woman's testimony in court, only worth half a man's testimony does.

[Doug Burns]

But the thing is, it's the same rhetorical question that I'm always asking you, the master, you know, how does she get away with that? I mean, in other words, it's because of Trump hatred, Trump derangement syndrome. The point is, you know, they'll slap that on liberal outlets, you know, with some kind of spin associated with it, I suppose. But again, she should be ashamed of herself again, to make comments like that after that litany, that laundry list that you just wrote.

[Rob Carson]

Well, it is absurd, you know, I mean, listen, I don't even know. It's worse than absurd on the face of it. It is so outrageously stupid, it is so outrageously wrong that she would say that she's devoid of reality. I don't know. I don't know how freaking nuts you have to be. This woman, this woman has lost everything. She's lost her job, she's wandering Alone in the wilderness. She's got a lot of people who read her substack, I guess, but she hasn't learned anything from it. And it's because she's mentally ill, Doug. It's a mental illness that you would say such a thing.

[Doug Burns]

Well, the derangement syndrome, you know, to me as a trial lawyer, the result of it is that you'll just rationalize anything to the breaking point. You know, as we've jokingly said many times, but it's almost not a joke. If Trump came out with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And said we've cured all cancers, they would criticize it on liberal cable, correct?

[Rob Carson]

Well, yeah, because, you know, listen, all those cancer hospitals, you want oncologists to not have a living, for God's sake.

[Doug Burns]

And besides, what population's gonna go way up?

[Rob Carson]

I know, I know. Listen, we gotta take a break. I want to Talk about this U.S. district Judge Brian Murphy, who was appointed in 2024 right before Trump took office, and how he turned back Donald or Robert Kennedy Jr. S rollback of some of these childhood vaccinations. If you hold on through the red dot. Will you do that, please?

[Doug Burns]

No problem.

[Rob Carson]

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[Doug Burns]

Well, he's wielding power that he doesn't have is the point. So as you just said perfectly, an individual district judge, and this was the whole discussion that we had many times about nationwide injunctions and how improper they are, you know, and the Supreme Court cut them back a little, but maybe not as much as they should. Wasn't the court wasn't as clear maybe as it should have been. But the point is, Murphy was reversed by the First Circuit Court of Appeals. That's the court of appeals that governs that area. Northeast New York's in the Second Circuit, by the way. But the point is he had blocked the Department of Homeland Security, you know, the third country deportation policy got reversed. He got reversed. I believe in another matter. So the point is, you know, looking at this in context, the point is, you know, the president has the White House, you have the Senate and the House. So the courts have been run to, you know, to issue these sort of sweeping nationwide injunctions. I have no hesitancy in predicting. And the deputy attorney general was running pretty hot about this. He was very, very clear. He goes, how many times is this guy going to get reversed? And we're going to get him reversed again. And how much embarrassment can this judge take? I'm directly quoting him.

[Rob Carson]

No, it's more like, how much damage can he cause?

[Doug Burns]

Yeah, I mean, that's right. Cause a lot of damage. That's the bad news. But the good news is the appeals courts in general, the federal appeals courts have been pretty good. You know, I don't have the statistical study. But the point is they've been pretty good, Rob, on cutting back these rogue out of line decisions. And I think that's again, broken record what's going to happen here.

[Rob Carson]

But, but I mean, obviously there are litmus tests when it comes to appointing judges like this, but once they become judged judges and they, and they make nonsensical rulings that aren't based in, in the, by the Constitution, et cetera. I mean, what's the, what's the remedy for this talk about impeachment or whatever. I mean, what's the remedy for this nonsense?

[Doug Burns]

But this is an outlier situation because what happened was, you know, again, trump derangement, no joke, is a very odd situation in presidential history to the point where judges will just act like this. But you make a great point under like what we call bait. And you know, you've asked me about Spamberger, we've now you have a judge who sits at a hearing ostensibly and says, oh, you know, I'll only go by the facts and the law and so on. And then once they're in office, they go completely rogue. Like you said, to answer your question, not avoiding it.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Doug Burns]

I mean, impeachment's a possibility.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Why not? Yeah, I'm just, I've never, I don't know. I'm glad this has been exposed. Yeah. No, I, because I thought the court system is. But we have a filthy, rotten, corrupt court system. A lot of judges who will, I mean, even we go so far as to put people in jail who don't belong in jail for political purposes.

[Doug Burns]

Well, one of my law school classmates, Ron Kuby, if you can believe that, said to me one time, Doug, it was at a reunion, Cornell Law School reunion, class of 1983. And he goes, doug, the reason the court system is so screwed, screwed up. It's very simple. I looked at him, I said, enlighten me, Ron, what is it? He goes, it's run by human beings.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I suppose, I suppose. All right, my brother. Well, I just, when they're flawed in the, in the direction of being, you know, criminal. I'm not a big fan. I appreciate you being on the show today. Doug Burns Law on Twitter. God bless, bro, and enjoy your St Patrick's Day in New York City.

[Doug Burns]

Yes, sir. I'm going to hit the bars right now.

[Rob Carson]

All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show. It is a Rob Carson show. You know, the, I remember when I said that I understood, I never, I never understood as A kid like, for instance, civil war, where families were divided and brothers would fight brothers and et cetera. And it never became real until Donald Trump became the president. And the left just went bat guano crazy against Donald Trump. And the reason being is he's a reformer. Coming in here, they've seen their doom in him. You know, when they went after Doge and said that, you know, Elon Musk was a Nazi for no reason, just a violent uprising. When they called it no Kings, when they tried to kill him, they tried to take him off the ballot when they called him a Nazi. When Joe Biden stood in front of Independence hall and said, we were white, we were maga fascist enemies of democracy. And they painted the, they bathed it in red light. I went, this is wrong. This is weird. And it's been going on and it's turned families against families. Families. And I've lost many friends. And you know what? Worth it. Because if you're so weak minded that you would allow yourself to be fooled in such a fashion, whether it be the nonsense protocols with regard to Covid and shutting down the schools or Joe Biden's absolute dementia denial and all that, to hell with you, I don't care. And I mean this. And unfortunately, it impacted my relationship with my betrothed. I'll just leave it at that. Hollywood actor Jerry o' Connell is a flaming libtard. And he was on with Bill Meyer. Mar. Mar. And, and he recalls on, on the election night 2024, when his wife and daughters attacked him physically for saying anything about the loss by Kamala Harris. And he supported Kamala Harris.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I was watching late at night to return and I'll be honest with you, I didn't think Trump was going to win. I live in California. I didn't think he was going to win.

[Rob Carson]

I knew he was going to win. I, I didn't either. He was gonna win. This is where I live.

[Jerry O'Connell]

You know, I said something along the lines of, like, there was no planning. This is what they get. There should have been a primary. I said something along those lines, you know, like, I was just spitballing ideas as to. It was a shock, you know, my wife and daughters, without saying anything.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Became, became physical with me.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Jerry O'Connell]

They were, they were filled with rage. So if I am being careful with you in how I say things.

[Mike Lee]

Yes.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I live in California. I live with not one, not two, but three people who, if I made any kind of joke, they would, they'd become very angry with me. You know, I, well, so I'm I

[Rob Carson]

don't want to tell you how to live your life but I couldn't live that way exactly 100% this is the kind of mania and social contagion that led people into the Third Reich and into Stalin's Russia. And I'm not I'm not kidding about this. When you you believe that a boy can become a girl and compete with girls or children should be given puberty blockers to change your gender you've lost your frickin mind. You can't be reasoned with anymore. And I hope one day that there was some some societal smelling salts are delivered and that the people who fell for all of this nonsense will maybe give me an apology maybe you an apology maybe come to their senses. It is just a damn shame to be quite honest but I'm not giving up. I'm not changing my the way I am. No sir. Guys, have a glorious day. Hopefully have the stream going tomorrow tomorrow. God bless you. America has founded Donald Trump the exploring administration our troops and until tomorrow which is Wednesday do not catch the stupid I'll see you then.